Re: The kitty, she is empty
Done On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 00:43:30 -0400 Doug Brewer wrote: hi, kids. Please consider throwing some spare dinera into the kitty so we can continue to wonder what the hell Bill's on about now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Pseudo-prudence -- Facebook 'removes' breast cancer video
Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 20, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > > Brilliant solution! All I need to do now is find models with square boobs. > >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: >> >> Facebook continues its image policing: >> >> Facebook 'removes' breast cancer video >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37721193 >> >> Igor >> >> Sent from mobile phone > > -- > -bmw > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT 19th century photos of the american west
Some real history captured here. Thanks for sharing... Otis On 8/18/2013 3:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote: There are some nice shots in this set: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149899/The-American-West-youve-seen-Amazing-19th-century-pictures-landscape-chartered-time.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is history
On 7/2/2013 11:52 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Zos Xavius wrote: :( So ricoh absorbs pentax and reduces the name to a marque. That's certain death. Look how Mercedes-Benz has failed as a marque of Daimler, or Chevrolet as a marque of GM. Paul And then there was Pontiac, DeSoto, Oldsmobile, etc., etc. etc. Otis If they were smart, it would be Pentax Imaging Company. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Well, recently (like two days ago) Carl Zeiss turned to be Zeiss. So it seems to fit the recent trend. Suddenly Pentax is up to date... Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On July 2, 2013 6:05:59 PM Bruce Walker wrote: How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Wide Awake in the Sea of Tranquility
I travelled from Dieppe to Paris with friends that day. Hit the Champs-Elysees with celebrations in full swing. Wall to wall people. It was a good night. Otis Wright On 8/27/2012 1:10 PM, Tom C wrote: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/19jul_seaoftranquillity/ Short entertaining story of the first manned lunar landing. I remember watching it live when I was 8 years old. My Dad telling the kids to sit down and be quiet because this was important. It simply amazes me that 1) the original video tapes were lost and 2) Buzz Aldrin did not take the camera and get an image of Neil Armstrong on the lunar surface. All the still image photography was done by Neil Armstrong of Buzz Aldrin. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Scanning services?
I cannot compare with any other service, but I'm quite satisfied with standard ScanCafe service. Mostly slides and color negatives (35MM) to date. Just started using their service this year. No failures or other problems so far. The scans from the few pictures that I've sent them were good, but the results weren't noticeably (to me) better than I get running picture scans from my HP 8500 AIO Printer scanner through Photoshop. No results yet with BW negatives. Otis Wright On 8/19/2012 12:01 AM, Tim Bray wrote: My wife has inherited a box of photos from her recently-deceased mother. Many of are immense sentimental value, and they need to be shared. Thus, they should be digitized. Anyone have any experience with scanning services? Reliability and quality are the big issues here. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Olde Tyme
If your interested, your Illinois watch may have been produced earlier than 1965. I have an Illinois watch my father purchased around 1935. I've had it reconditioned (mostly cleaned up the shape of the face and hands) and use it from time to time. About ten years ago, I happened upon some history of the Illinois Watch Co. and as I recall, they were purchased by Hamilton watch in the late 20s and Hamilton stopped producing the Illinois brand in the late 30s. I managed to relocate the source of that Illinois documentation again: http://www.oldwatch.com/illinois.html You may be able to get an idea of the date of production here: http://www.pocketwatchsite.com/illinoisserials.html The model watch that I have is shown here: http://www.oldwatch.com/Museum/Illinois/ill161aelinvar.jpg Otis Wright On 1/26/2012 2:52 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: That's funny. I too used to keep this in the safety deposit box. I was in there one time for some reason and decided to bring it home. I don't carry it but wind it up and try to use it as a clock. On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:43 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Nice. I like pocket watches. I have one from my grandfather(mom's side() but its in a safety deposit box along with some jewelry. Dave On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: My grandfather's gold pocket watch, form about 1965: http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_3zgwM8#!i=1686454339&k=74x4rtL&lb=1&s=O It's a pretty thing and still works perfectly. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Happy New Year and stuff
Done. Happy New Year. Otis -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: No Kidding
Similar HDD setups are used to lay gas pipe up to 50 inches or so --- possibly larger --- but this is the largest I have first hand knowledge of. So, laying underground medium and low voltage lines should be feasible. Otis Wright On 9/1/2011 10:35 AM, John Sessoms wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: On Aug 30, 2011, at 14:31 , Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 30, 2011, at 16:14, John Sessoms wrote: Put the utilities underground where they belong and you don't got to worry about trees falling over on them. DOWN WITH THE WIRES, AMERICA!!! ?(and everywhere else) (think what a bounty of jobs that would become available if the go'mint formed a DWW whose goal was to transition overheads to buried, ojne street at a time. Tell your representatives, local, state, and federal about this plan. Improve the economy with me! Yeah, you're mostly right, but there's a down-side to putting everything underground: Every time there's a problem holes have to be dug at great cost of money and time, along with all the disruptions that causes. Once the fix has been made and everything filled in and patched up, the pavement is always uneven and bumpy. Real bumpy. Dangerously bumpy to cyclists. And after a winter or two those patches begin to disintegrate into huge (and even more dangerous) potholes. And that's only repairs, Over the past decade or so private concerns (read: cell phone and cable companies) have been installing fibre optics under our streets with the expected bumpy roads left behind. Some streets are un-ride-able to the point that I avoid them altogether - that's if I can find a passable street nearby. While I generally agree with you, John, there is another side to the story. cheers, frank There's pros & cons on both sides. Utilities underground cost more to repair, but don't cause major power outages every time the wind blows. Around here they don't dig up the street to install fiber optics. They use some kind of horizontal drill rig that tunnels under the road. http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-m2/horizontal-directional-drilling-rig-523688.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Happy Birthday
On 7/6/2011 12:46 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:27 AM, John Sessoms wrote: Ever notice when anyone complains about "illegals" coming into the country and "taking *OUR* jobs!!!", they never complain about the employers who hire them. Make it a felony to employ illegals and actually put some employers in jail. And don't give me that crap about "Illegals do the jobs Americans don't want." Bullshit! Illegals take the jobs where employers won't pay fair wages. And illegals have no recourse if you screw them on their pay. I hired someone to do some repairs on the property. Over the course of the project he had several laborers working for him. I noticed that the ones of latin descent worked a lot harder than the ones who appeared to have been born and raised here. I don't know about the immigration status of any of them. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est Several similar experiences.. over the last few years. Otis Wright -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Enabled. from K10D to k5
I use a short loop of bright colored fine nylon twine through one of the strap rings on the camera for this purpose. It was a quick "emergency" solution made in the field some years ago --- while under a lot of pressure and picking up the "wrong" camera was becoming a really annoyance.It worked well enough that the loop is still there. Otis On 5/5/2011 5:45 AM, sky wrote: On Thu, 5 May 2011 01:55:58 -0700, Larry Colen wrote: Congratulations. For the IDing, just set the file names to the the two different cameras to each of your initials. On May 5, 2011, at 1:54 AM, sky wrote: Mighty fine idea. Thanks. Now need an external quick ID. Maybe put a huge scratch in hers :P... James -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which is the preferred battery charger
On 12/12/2010 12:43 PM, John Francis wrote: I'd suggest taking a look at whatever Thomas Distributing are selling this week at a good prace - LaCrosse, MAHA, etc. I've been using a MH-C401FS as well; it's worked flawlessly for the last eight or more years (since before I bought my *ist-D), keeping my aging stock of rechargeables working (many of which are also eight years old). It also handles the Eneloop hybrids, which apparently have slightly different charging requirements. If I were buying another charger today, though, I'd take a look at the MAHA 9000, which looks as though it might be an upgrade. On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 07:03:50AM -0500, Michael Beacom wrote: My favorite is the MAHA MH-C401FS charger. It has 4 independent charging circuits for AA and AAA batteries, and it conditions the batteries too. http://www.mahaenergy.com/store/item.asp?idproduct=178 Cheers Mike On Dec 11, 2010, at 6:03 AM, Larry Colen wrote: The charger that seems to work best with my AA hybrids is starting to get a bit flaky. There was a discussion a couple weeks back on the subject of chargers and I thought i saved it, but can't find it. What is the battery charger that is so highly recommended? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. I have the MAHA 401FS, Lacrosse BC900, and MAHA C9000. All have worked very well. No complaints/problems with any of them. The latter two are excellent for sorting out older sets of cells --- have not had any of the reported overheating problems with them. My go to unit is the 401fs simply because its is small, simple/quick to use, and seems to have a good charge algorithm.Both MAHA units take 12v, which is a plus for me. I often forget to recharge/top-off my batteries before a field trip and it helps to be able set up a set or two in the car on the way to wherever. Otis Wright -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: monitors
I've been running two Dell ultrasharp models on my computers for some years now. Currently running two 2209s. Have had good luck with the Dell units. Will probably add two 24-inch units next year and upgrading system to 4 displays. Any one care to share experience with more the two displays on their system? Otis Wright On 12/1/2010 7:40 AM, Gasha wrote: I'm sitting at front of DELL U2410 (portrait oriented), and think that it is great. Not cheap, however. There are newer models around, with better performance. Gasha Tim Bray wrote: Yeah, I bought the same NEC that James Duncan Davidson recommended: http://www.necdisplay.com/products/product/?product=1713e080-c8e3-4aab-9447-73dacb301b84 Trouble is, this thing makes your pictures look better than they really are. And these high-accuracy NEC screens ain't cheap. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hawaii, anyone
Always enjoyed Kapalua, but we always seemed to have a better time of it at the Royal Hawaiian on Waikiki. Enjoy. Otis Wright On 11/18/2010 5:51 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I'll be there is January, but in Maui, not Honolulu (thank god). Dan On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/pho/2029424389.html Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl http://kerygmainstitute.org "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose" -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Moose
On 10/8/2010 10:46 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-10-08 20:26 , Bob Sullivan wrote: Last time we went to Maine, we looked in vain for moose among the fall colors. This time we found some, up close and personal. what fun! 17 summers and 6 full years in Maine and i never saw a moose; my folks moved a few miles up-river to Moose Hill after i left home and in 14 years there they never saw a moose; took me until a hike in northern Colorado to see one (they are imported, not native to CO) First 17 years in Maine (Aroostook County) and lots of moose. Otis Wright -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 1940s US photos
On 7/31/2010 6:04 AM, Sandy Harris wrote: A link to these turned up elsewhere, seemed worth passing on: http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2010/07/26/captured-america-in-color-from-1939-1943/ Thank you, Sandy. I grew up about 5-10 miles from locations shown in pictures 4 and 5. Picked spuds and hauled loads to starch factories -- although not the one in the picture. Otis Wright -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The State of The List
On 6/13/2010 5:06 AM, Carlos R wrote: Ditto mike wilson escribió: Doug Brewer wrote: I love The List, though, and I want to remain somewhat relevant. So I'm going to add, assuming I get permission from our hosting company, a paypal donate button to the pdml.net home page. What a bargain. Feel free to use any excess for personal needs; no notice required. Likewise on all counts. Otis Wright -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree. I place an order or two with them each month and they have always been helpful and deliveries have been timely---sometimes amazingly so. Don't remember any unannounced late deliveries. I have found goods arrive well packed. I don't recall any DOA events. Otis Wright Cotty wrote: On 12/12/04, Peter Smekal, discombobulated, unleashed: Hi all, just wanted to hear your opinion about B&H. Is their service comparable with KEH's (which I think is very, very good when it comes to reliability, speed, friendlyness and the like)? Peter, Sweden I have purchased from B and H quite a few times now - and they have been excellent. Sometimes I buy and they send to me here in England, other times I buy and they send to my friend in NY, or she pops in and collects. If they ship to an address that is not the billing address, they require more security checks but that is admirable. Get past the typical New Yorker 'yeah waddya want' approach and they're great. I even crack jokes with them and they laugh just like real people ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Scanner: which one?
8400F is about US$140 at BHPHOTO.. in NYC. Anyone using the more expensive 9950F? Otis Wright Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Thibs wrote on 08.12.04 8:34: I'm looking for a scanner. I'm very budget limited so it'll probably be flatbed one. I know Canon do affordable (almost) flatbeds with film back. Of course it is nowhere near a film scanner but I do not expect it to. I absolutely need a normal scanner. Film one may follow if budget does too. Any clue? Canon? Epson? I have just bought Canon 8400F which can scan 12 frames of 35mm strips, 4 mounted transpariences or 1 frame of 120 film. It has FARE Level 3 (Canon's equivalent of ICE, GEM and ROC), so no more problems with scratches and dust, 3200 dpi optical resolution and high power, moving fluorescent lamp, which usually gives better final results than fixed ones with all-surface lighting. It was about 250 Euro in Poland including VAT, so not that expensive.
Re: Boxes for batteries
Doug Franklin wrote: Hi Jens, On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:15:27 +0200, Jens Bladt wrote: Do any of you know where to get a little box for batteries? Plastic or cardboard material. Disposeable/use-once or long lasting. How about just taking sets of two, four, whatever, batteries and wrapping them in clingy plastic food wrap, like Saran Wrap in the US. I don't know what it'd be called in other countries or languages, but it's the stuff you use to cover a bowl of leftover food before you put it back in the refrigerator. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ Yuk! I'm sure it would work in a PINCH. But for day-to-day use, I'll let youn play with the wrap and I'll stick with the boxes are light and super convenient --- and cheap Otis Wright.
Re: Anybody still using an external (analog) lightmeter
Three Norwood Directors around here somewhere plus one or two stripped down for parts. One went successfully through calibration a couple of years ago. Works just fine. Keep them mostly for the memories --- first one came into "the family" in 1949 --- for use with the vacation film camera (Spotmatic Fs and ESIIs) kit. Day-to-day a Sekonic L-508 carries the load for the very few requirements that arise with digital cameras these days. Hard to beat the info in the histograms. Otis Wright Keith Whaley wrote: Frantisek wrote: Thursday, August 26, 2004, 11:29:27 PM, Markus wrote: MM> This is my second post... MM> I got a Gossen Sixtar 2 meter for $5 and wonder, how good the metering MM> actually will be compared to the camera metering. MM> I need to replace the batteries before I can test it, but welcome any MM> comments from the group :-) MM> Is anybody here still using hand metering and if yes, when? Dunno about your Sixtar, I don't know that model. Still metering with my L398, it's a trusty tool. When? Whenever situation calls for incident metering :) Hah! How about my trusty L-28c2? NO batteries! I use it when my subject is in drastically different light than my camera's in. If I can. Such as when I'm standing in full sunlight, and my subject is under a tree being shaded. Get out my Sekonic and put the hood on the lens... Good light! fra keith whaley
Re: OT: Manfrotto Monopod enabled (334B)
graywolf wrote: I am always reading this, "you don't need a head on a monopod" thing. I do not agree. Understand.However, I have yet to "need" one. I like the simplicity of just the monopod (nice walking stick :-\ ), and for what I do, it works just fine without a head. Have looked at heads from time to time, but on the theory it woiuld just sit on my shelf with a lot of other toys I don't use, I haven't picked one up yet! Regards, Otis Wright
Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?
Hmmm what? What did you expect? What did you find? What does it mean. Or, are we just putting out text these days? Otis Wright Chris Stoddart wrote: Herb Chong wrote: in Japan, digital cameras have approached saturation and either this year or next, most digital camera sales will be replacing an older digital camera. This I can well believe simply from eyeing up the Japanese tourists in London. So out of interest and in a spirit of bloody mindedness I typed 'C41 process Tokyo' into google. A quick amble through the hits turns up quite a few labs or chains of labs there willing to process your film. Interesting, hmmm? Chris
Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?
Notice anything of note, interest, etc. in the profile of those bringing in memory cards, etc. for printing? Otis Wright Bill Owens wrote: Not so. Those consumers who used to bring film in for processing are now bringing in memory cards for us to print, and those prints are basically the same cost as film prints and are on the same paper. Bill - Original Message - From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying? Bill, we understand your worry. Your job is on the line. I would suggest your local government agency that retrains folks for new jobs, except that from my experience they will only retrain you for another obsolete about to go down the drain of progress job. Something to think about though, there are still blacksmiths out there, still making a living. -- William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Vic Subject: Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying? I know what you are saying but I think everyone here is overreacting. Calm down, there are too many cameras out there that shoot film for film to go away any time soon... I assure you, I am quite calm, and only somewhat enebriated. What part of "processing is down 50% over last year" dis you miss? A year ago I was processing upwards of 700 rolls per day on a normal day. This year, a busy day is 400 rolls, average is closer to 300. Every one I talk to is in the same boat. Where I live, another small player that wasn't able to adapt to digital processing went tits up just a few weeks ago. Define "soon" William Robb -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?
Market, maybe. You might want to thing about the fact that this is a mature industry with large plants working on small per unit margins. Plants wear out. As the volume drops, I suspect it will be very difficult to obtain the funds that are needed to keep the factory form the "banker" who has alternate options with better return. Soon, if not already, requests and plans for significant investment will the naturally tainted and for sure, quite thoroughly question. When these large plants go stop making film, the quantum impact in the marketplace is likely to a rather quick significant adjustment that has is to a large extent independent of the shape of the damned curve. Just my two cents.. Otis Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So much for demand side economics. William Robb William you could be right. Film may go away sooner than I realize. It may shoot up in price because fewer people are using it. But I don't think the "market' is that simple. I expect it to be much like the stock market UNPREDICTABLE (and I like to think of myself as a contrarian rather than a Lemming). If Kodak and Fuji want to keep selling film they will find cheaper ways to produce it. That may mean less choice. But I don't need 10-20 different types of film. I need a good slow speed film, medium and semi-fast in chrome and print. Define Soon you ask? I don't know what soon is. I think if I want to shoot film in 10 years I will be able to at a reasonable cost. I don't think the corner drug store will necessarily be offering film processing, but do we really want to bring our film to corner drug stores anyway? I could be completely wrong. In five years I may be sitting on some very expensive paperweights. What bothers me is that the people who are pushing d igital-is-the-future, write about it as if they know the future. They've figured the whole thing out. Sheesh, I hope they're buying stocks in this digital stuff. P.S. -I am not anti-digital. I own a Canon digital point and shoot camera. I THINK IT IS GREAT. When I think I need a digital SLR I will buy it. I work at a major daily newspaper where the photogs have used digital Nikons for many years. They are incredibly useful in the fast-paced world of photojournalism. But that's not a world many of US live in. We may think we do, but waiting an hour or a day to get film back is rarely going to cost us anything but inconvenience... I know many will not agree with me. I don't like going on an on about a subject that has no real answer (yet) so this is my last word for now on the subject. Thanks Vic PS. sorry for the longish post...
Re: Pentax is Dying
And, when is this supposed to happen? I hear all these promises about how good its going to be... you know the rest of the story.. Otis Wright Herb Chong wrote: that's not what they are telling shareholders in Japan. they are saying that moving to high end P&S and DSLRs are where they hope to boost total market share. Herb - Original Message - From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying I've been told (by Pentax distributors) that Pentax have no plans of meeting demand for the *istD. Maybe the same is the case for the DA lenses (at least initially)?
Re: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice)
In my humble opinion, this list is tops in service compared to others I participate in. I second Dan's comments without reservation. Otis Wright. Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I, for one, have had no problems with this list, although there have been problems from time to time on other lists to which I belong. We owe a huge debt of gratitude to those who sent up and run this list and the PUG. Bill Owens wrote: Seems odd to me that the only one of nearly 600 subscribers complaining about this issue is you. Have you given any thought to the idea that maybe the problem is at your end?
OT: Way OT: Silk Screen Photomasters
I would like to establish contact with someone (located in US or Canada) who is experienced in the handling of photomasters for silk-screen printing in a production environment. Please respond off list to URL below. Thanks in advance. Otis Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye ...
Shel, I have always enjoyed you photographs and as a rank amateur, the thoughtful assistance you have so frequently provided. Enjoy your vacation and return soon. Wishing you well Otis Wright Paul Sorenson wrote: Shel - I'm mostly a lurker with not a lot of participation in the back and forth commentary, but...I've always been impressed with the thoughtful comments you have made and have enjoyed the photos you have posted. Your street photography offers visual commentary on the "human condition" (however that is interpreted). I've always considered you a large part of this list, so - enjoy your vacation, but don't stay away. You will be missed. Paul - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:19 AM Subject: Bye ... Time for me to move on. Have a long vacation coming up in a few days and I probably won't return to the list for quite some time. Frankly, I don't feel much a part of things here ... so, thanks to all who've been helpful. I hope I've been able to help or influence one or two people in a positive way. Be good, boys and girls ... Ciao. Shel
Re: OT: Space Ship One
Peter J. Alling wrote: The Bell X-1 was based on the shape of a supersonic bullet. It was used because it was simple and the engineers knew it would travel faster than sound. Sometimes a technology can't be improved upon. Except on this list where all things can be improved upon for an excellent return on investment ... Otis Wright frank theriault wrote: Yeah, I thought the same thing, Dario. Mind you, the nostalgia thing is rampant in automobile styling and marketing these days, isn't it? The new Mini, the VW Beetle, the Ford Thunderbird, the Chrysler PT Cruiser, etc, etc. Why not spaceships? I thought its fuselage looked like the Bell X 1 (the one that Chuck Yeager broke the sound barrier in), especially the tapered nose with the needle. Like you, I was a bit taken aback by the whole thing. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Dario Bonazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: OT: Space Ship One Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:16:57 +0200 Don't you find the SpaceShipOne to resemble SciFi movies and book covers of the Fifties or older? That spindle shape, all those portholes, not to speak of the blue starlets here and there... To me, it looks like a naive design, very different from what I expected from current technology. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: OT: SpaceShipOne
Keith Whaley wrote: Gary Sibio wrote: At 01:41 PM 6/21/2004, you wrote: That is great news! Now maybe space exploration and exploitation will replace government publicity programs. Nah! They will just regulate it to death. While I believe that some government regulation will be necessary to ensure public safety, I'm all for shutting down NASA and let the private sector handle it. Our space program started off as a pissing contest with the USSR and the shuttle is twenty years old. How many of us drive a car anywhere near that old. Neither do any of our cars cost in excess of $20,000,000. Yes, let's DO be realistic... Keith whaley Yes, and 20 years is not too surprising for an airframe. I believe the f-14 first flew in 1970. As I recall, it is still doing quite nicely. Cars maintained to the standards applied to airframes would last a long, long time. Amazing how misinformation gets mixed in to support otherwise quite valid opinions. NASA does seem to be without a mission, but it would be most interesting to see watch the political antics associated with shutting it down. My guess is that the space station is not going to do well either. However, the games played to avoid closing down military bases are nothing compared to what would be involved in shutting down major portions of NASA. I had a prof in college who often said that the major problem with creating major government agencies, programs, etc., is that never get shut down when the've completed thier mission. Seems like we have quite a few candidates for proving that one. Unfortunately, I can't remember which prof it was that said that, which may indicate that I'm coming up on the end of my "mission."Keep smiling Otis Wright The private sector has also benefitted from the space program so let them put their money up front. Gary J Sibio
Re: What battery for the Spotmatic F
A year or so ago, I found some mercury cells on the web and bought a handful of them. Forget the URL, unfortunately. I have also used the 1.5 volt alkalines and observed no difference. Otis Wright. Hal & Sandra Davis wrote: Last time we looked for SpotF batteries the only option was the Wein Air batteries. please update if any of you have found atternatives. - Original Message - From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: Re: What battery for the Spotmatic F Lewis Matthew wrote: Hello, what kind of battery does the Spotmatic F require? Arnold Accoirding to my reference, the Spotmatic F requires an EPX625 or EPX13. These are mercury batteries. Funny, I don't recall that my years ago SP-F used these. Is my reference sheet right? Best, Lewis Hi Lewis, This has been thoroughly covered many times before on this list, but since I don't know what "reference" you are using, in looking at my Spotmatic F factory-issued owner's manual, it says, on page 10, titled "Mercury Batteries" -- "For replacement, use Mallory PX-625 or Everady [sic] E-625N or equivalent." While I cannot speak about any EPX batteries, from lack of personal experience, the various alkaline batteries recommended earlier in this thread are certainly okay for replacement use in the Spotty F. keith whaley
Re: Traveller's questions
Gonz wrote: Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: Boris, BTW, it totally sucks shooting on commercial airline. The windows are two layers, and made of this plasticky stuff. There is usually fingerprints and scratches and stuff all over them. I always take some nappy wipes (you know the wet alcohol clothes that you buy to clean a baby's bottom) with me and clean the window with those first before trying to shoot anything. Not only that, but they (the plasticky windows) seem to do some type of polarization also. Its very weak, but if you have a polarizing filter on your lens, you get strange effects. Suppose that is why pilots aren't supposed to wear polarized sunglasses.. Otis Hope this is of some help, tan. -Original Message- From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 2004 5:20 AM To: PDML Subject: Traveller's questions Hi! Later this summer I am going to be travelling. I have some questions (how can I not? ) 1. Is photography officially allowed inside the airport buildings? 2. Is photography officially allowed on the planes? I am thinking of likes of ME Super, M 50/1.4 for possible low light and some 400 ASA film, probably b/w What d'you say? BOris
Re: OT: Strewth (was Re: Tan's Travelogue
Every time I see this, it for some reason reminds me of the Stoned Crow, a wine bar in Crows Nest (Sydney). Anyone happen to know if it is still in business? Otis Wright Malcolm Smith wrote: Cotty wrote: What about 'stone the crows' ?? Why crows? http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-sto1.htm Malcolm
Re: Platinum Prints
Commercial platinum paper background at this site may be on interest to you -- if you haven't already read it, http://photography.about.com/library/glossary/bldef_platinum.htm Unfortunately, I didn't see any listing of current sources for commercial materials. Otis Wright Shel Belinkoff wrote: I'd like to explore making platinum prints. Looking about the net some information was found. Couldn't find anything about pre-coated paper for making platinum prints. Is there such a thing? Where might it be found? Shel Belinkoff
Re: OT - Music on the Road
So far, I've found a good quality set of headphones more satisfactory than speakers suitable for travel. Friend has devise that allows use of more than one set of headsets while maintaining impedance match for player -- forget the brand. Just my experience. In my opinion, IPOD and the like are great travel/walking/outdoor event companions. Otis Wright Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Gang Call me slow, but I just discovered how easy it is to copy CD's to the hard drive using the Win Media Player. It's pretty much all automatic, and it astounds me how much info is on the disk. This opens the door to copying music to some sort of portable device for use in the car and while travelling. What sorts of devices, apart from an iPod, can be used for this purpose? Does MP3 or MP4 (that's the format, right?) sound pretty good compared to a home system or a good sound system on the computer? What do you do for speakers on the road? Thanks for any help or suggestions. Shel Belinkoff
Re: Implications for Film (storage opinions)
Speaking of Canberra, seem to recall some very interesting systems at CSIRO's Black Mountain Complex. Still exist? Otis Wright Rob Studdert wrote: On 25 May 2004 at 19:41, Shawn K. wrote: Alright, lets just say I know someone in "the government" and this someone says that the government uses hard drives... The NSA also uses hard drives that's fairly common knowledge as many geeks are aware and admire that they built their file server on a special foundation to absorb the ultra low frequency vibrations emanating from the earth OK you win, stuff the practicalities. Try to remember that this is an international list too, ie "the government" is located in Canberra. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Implications for Film (storage opinions)
The "government" is a bit broad and unless you understand a the risk and recovery considerations for a particular system, the merits and application of the approach used by any particular group is not easily assessed. I am always careful with government approaches as they tend to serve a different value system than that faced by most of us in our own business ventures. In most government environments, if a catastrophic loss of data occurs, quite often, few if any are penalized, and no matter what the financial hit there is no real financial penalty to the operation of the organization as there almost often is in industry. This environment does not necessarily lead to practices and procedures that you would want to implement to protect your own at-risk assets --- just my experience. Otis Wright Shawn K. wrote: Alright, lets just say I know someone in "the government" and this someone says that the government uses hard drives... The NSA also uses hard drives that's fairly common knowledge as many geeks are aware and admire that they built their file server on a special foundation to absorb the ultra low frequency vibrations emanating from the earth -Shawn -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 8:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Implications for Film (storage opinions) On 25 May 2004 at 19:08, Shawn K. wrote: Well Rob, from what I've heard the government uses hard drives to archive information. Seriously, quality hard drives are simply the best storage option. If you have a RAID array, the chances of having such a catastrophic failure that all your data is lost are next to zero... Who knows what "the government" uses. What I know that during my period in the industry I saw many array failures, from controller failures to lightening strikes and actual media failure of a series of drives due to manufacturing errors. CD's can become unreadable without you knowing it, even when stored properly. (I haven't used the writeable DVD's so I can't comment on their longevity.) I have had cd's that were guaranteed to last 90 years go bad after 2 years. The archives from last moth with reveal a smorgasbord of information concerning this very topic from users with much experience many with contrary opinions. Check the threads "CD Storage" and "CD-R lifetimes disputed" Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Implications for Film (storage opinions)
No matter which media you prefer, keeping your data all in one location or on one media system carries a risk that I would prefer to avoid. Just my opinion based on the dozen or so catastrophic data loss occurrences I deal with each year. Personally, I'm quite impressed with auto-backup\archiving systems that distribute archives to multiple sites from which at least one copy is removed from the system/network to avoid programmed destruction. Have seen some of these systems withstand some pretty nasty hits with not much more than a momentary stutter. Expensive, but seems to be one of the better solutions---at least from my experience. Otis Wright Shawn K. wrote: Well Rob, from what I've heard the government uses hard drives to archive information. Seriously, quality hard drives are simply the best storage option. If you have a RAID array, the chances of having such a catastrophic failure that all your data is lost are next to zero... Although, there are other ways to lose data, such as to a virus... I simply don't trust the optical writeable media. CD's can become unreadable without you knowing it, even when stored properly. (I haven't used the writeable DVD's so I can't comment on their longevity.) I have had cd's that were guaranteed to last 90 years go bad after 2 years. They were kept on my desk on a spindle, some of the disks at the bottom of the spindle went bad, oh well. I didn't lose anything important thankfully... Another thing, if a hard drive breaks down, the data CAN be recovered, if a CD goes bad, the data is GONE, basically the marks made by the laser in the ink slowly fade away... I find that disturbing, better to keep it all on a nice SCSI hard drive. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 6:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Implications for Film (storage opinions) On 25 May 2004 at 14:11, Shawn K. wrote: Storing data on multiple hard-drives is the best way to go IMO... Actually, having a networked computer working as a dedicated server with a RAID array is the best way to archive anything. Yes, it's expensive... ish.. I built a P3 950 from almost nothing for about 250 dollars and I have it networked right now. I need to spend about 400 more to get a nice RAID array for redundancy purposes and then I'll pretty much be set for 10 years or so... Hmm, I've got pretty much what you're aiming for, a dual PIII 800 server with mirror set and large RAID 5 array tethered via 1Gb networking on a large extended power UPS and I still feel jittery until my new data has found its way onto DVD media and is locked away. I expect that the machine will be good for quite some years to come but I still expect to run out of storage capacity well before the machine fails. However optical media is my preferred archive option, I never view on-line data as archive regardless of how robust the system is. Drives are pretty robust if the cooling is adequate, the box this one recently replaced was a dual PPro200 and it had been in continuous service without any failures for over seven years. It contained s RAID consisting of a set of 4GB Seagate Barracuda FW SCSI drives, they still all work fine but their small capacity pretty much makes them redundant. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: New Pentax DSLR's?
Seems like a bit of stretch. Cos. don't tend to chase near term low ROI based on fuzzy long-term rationale Owners/shareholders/investors don't seem to reward such behavior. If a low ROI line is profitable, they might keep it around until it requires more investment to keep the line open, upgrade the product, etc. if its not otherwise detracting from higher ROI products. At least that has been my, product line mgt. experience.... Otis Wright. Shawn K. wrote: Hi, Not trying to be argumentative but it just occurred to me, that as you stated earlier, there are still a variety of world markets where film is dominant. So it still might be in Pentax's interest to do everything they can to gain a foothold in those markets by releasing a high-end SLR. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Dr. Heiko Hamann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 1:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Pentax DSLR's? I don't think, that Pentax will make the needed investments into the development of a new high-end SLR. I would rather expect a high-end DSLR. Maybe Photokina? Cheers, Heiko
Re: OT: Hackers
Maybe just wearing it well. Otis Wright Norm Baugher wrote: Bob, you're showing your age... norm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me assure you that there were hackers at MIT in the early '60s, long before there were personal computers or viruses. Hacking was a form of recreation that often encompassed acomplishing things that were technically involved, challenging, and slightly illegal. Think about hacking the phone system or putting a replica of a Police Car with flashing lights and donuts on top of the Great Dome.
Re: OT: Hackers
Yup! We were there. Had a great time Otis Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me assure you that there were hackers at MIT in the early '60s, long before there were personal computers or viruses. Hacking was a form of recreation that often encompassed acomplishing things that were technically involved, challenging, and slightly illegal. Think about hacking the phone system or putting a replica of a Police Car with flashing lights and donuts on top of the Great Dome. Regards, Bob S. John Francis writes: D. Glenn Arthur Jr. wrote: Shawn K. wrote: *cough* Don't argue semantics with me!! You know, HACK is a derogatory term and so is hacker in its origin. Too late, I am arguing (though in the interest of neither boring nor annoying the rest of the list, I'll try to drop the parts that will soon become repetetive because each of us refuses to change our usage, and after your next public reply, we can argue more loudly _offlist_ if we both decide we're interested enough in continuing the argument (but my guess is that simply making clear exactly where each of us stands will suffice for now)). The problem is that the noun in question is the name of a subculture (and it _is_ a subculture) that I identify with and hang out with. So I've got a stake in this. In support of this position, the M.I.T. A.I. lab routinely used the term hacker in the positive sense. In fact the introduction to AIM 239 (better known as HAKMEM) says, in part: "Here is some little known data which may be of interest to computer hackers. The items and examples are so sketchy that to decipher them may require more sincerity and curiosity than a non-hacker can muster." I'm sure HAKMEM is available on the web by now, but I'm looking at an original copy I was given (by Mike Beeler) when I visited the lab in the 1970s while I was working for DEC.
Re: VS: NEW_PUG - questions
Now that makes sense... Especially, to one whose spelling skills are non existent. Otis William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Otis Wright" Subject: Re: VS: NEW_PUG - questions Random House Dictionary says there is. Not shortage of "experts" here The Scots spell it "whisky". I got called out on it a while back. William Robb
Re: VS: NEW_PUG - questions
I guess so Oooops found "Scotch Whisky" in MW's book of words. Maybe you should publish your book of words. Knew you had trouble with right and wrong. Didn't know it had progressed this far. Otis Keith Whaley wrote: That won't be the first instance of their being wrong that they've made... And, if they say Scotch Whiskey IS correct, they're wrong! keith Otis Wright wrote: Random House Dictionary says there is. Not shortage of "experts" here Have another drink and go back to sleep. It won't matter in the morning... Otis Wright Nick Clark wrote: There's no such thing as "scotch whiskey"! Nick -Original Message- From: "Mark Roberts"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 12/04/04 15:48:41 Well *I'm* setting up a mailing list dedicated to racing motorcycles, beer, scotch whiskey and politics.
Re: OT:Parcel delivery.
Malcolm Smith wrote: frank theriault wrote: Well, Malcolm, you're right. The culture of "I just want this off my desk" should change. Problem, it's not so easy a fix as one might think. With the advent of computers, receptionists must now be much more than a pretty face to smile at the business men who walk in the door. Any company that wants culture change, has to have this desire from the very top of the organisation. It has to accept that many of the things being done are wrong, without slapping blame everywhere. Not WRONG. Please. Just things that can be done better--- sometimes much much better -- if someone will stop telling people they are doing WRONG. :-P Otis Wright
Re: Ignoring:PS colour -3 choices ?
Are there any good detailed reference texts on color management that you would recommend. Thanks in advance. Otis Wright Herb Chong wrote: not necessary. it is necessay to enable color management by having a chosen working space in Photoshop and converting everything that is tagged with a known color space to that one on input. if a file isn't tagged with a color space and it's from a digital camera, you can assume that it is sRGB. sRGB is an IEC standard. the different types of sRGB given by a camera are to tell it how to modify the captured color before saving in sRGB in the file on the memory card. if your camera supports it, Adobe RGB is a wider gamut color space and gives better results when printing although it looks flatter on the screen. if this is the case, your working space in Photoshop should be Adobe RGB. if it isn't your working space should be sRGB. one of the problems with Paintshop Pro is that ir assumes sRGB and provides no means to map from anything else to sRGB. another is that it provides no means to perform even a rough calibration of your monitor. if you can calibrate your monitor independently of Paintshop Pro, it can do proper color management on printing. Photoshop Elements and Picture Window Pro are two of the lower end programs that do adequate color management for display while you are working. Herb... - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:35 AM Subject: Re: Ignoring:PS colour -3 choices ? So it's best then if you can have the camera color space set to the same color space as PS? And would sRBG on a camera be the same as sRBG in a Photoshop? (Hope that's the right color space acronym.) Is it standardized enough to be the same? Or about the same?
Re: Australia and Pentax - frustration (whinge)
graywolf wrote: Pentax USA has the policy that if they can not put the camera back to factory specs, and sometimes that means they are out of only one part, they will return it as unrepairable. That is a decision made by their lawyers for liability reasons. That does mean that while they will no longer repair a camera they may still have the parts in stock you need to do it yourself. I do agree that charging someone to tell them they won't fix it is pretty unfriendly. I have not heard of Pentax USA doing that except for shipping and handling. And if you called first they would have told you they no longer repair that model, in fact they have a list of all the cameras they no longer repair on their website. Not unreasonable for them to charge if you know what the deal is up front. I send a lot of older equipment in to places that charge a minimum fee to check if equipment is repairable -- if it is the fee usally goes agains the repair charge. If not, they charge me for their time to look at the equipment, which I find acceptable. I don't see why someone should work for nothing. Someone sooner or later is going to pay for that time. There are no free rides, beliefs of this list notwithstanding. What am I missing What is so unfriendly about getting paid for ones effort...... Otis Wright -- Peter J. Alling wrote: That's not so bad. I had a local camera shop send an X to a local authorized Pentax repair depot. It needed to have it's hot shoe re-attached. I even supplied all the parts. Other than the missing hot shoe the camera although nicely brassed worked flawlessly. It was returned unrepairable due to lack of parts. Missing the parts I supplied! Their handling included bending the shutter release just enough to keep the meter from turning off and denting the prism housing. For this special treatment I was charged the $20.00 deposit to get the camera returned. On top of this when I complained to the shop owner they refused to take any responsibility or action giving me the phone number of the repair dept. so I could complain directly. I'll not be going back there again and advise all my friends and acquaintances to tear clear. At least the ME Super wasn't any worse when it came back. mason wrote: camera shop and had it promptly returned as a no fix due to unavailability of parts at a cost of AU$50. The simple fact is that it has a dodgy ratchet on the Rob Studdert I think it is very unfair to charge for letting you know that the work cannot be done. Please do not tell me that the technician spent 5 minutes on it and someone has to pay for it. I have met (unfortunately) some people who prey on others by charging them for every second of their lack of professionalism. They charge by the hour and they couldn't care less if it takes them 1h or 5h to work it out. I think you should pay per job. If someone is incompetent enough to spend 4h on a 20min job - IT SHOULD BE THEIR PROBLEM, not a huge bill for the client! (*)o(*) Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My own DOF confusion
A hearty second from here..
Otis Wright
Keith Whaley wrote:
Good, safe answer, Anders!
Thanks for the history lesson.
keith whaley
Anders Hultman wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
This may seem uneducated of me - but I here you all saying "i'm
right of
centre", "he's left", "left winged", "right winged" etc, can someone
please
explain to me just what these terms mean?
This dates back to the French parliament of 1789 where the radicals that
wanted to change society towards more equality and freedom sat to the
left
as seen from the rostrum, and the conservatives that wanted to maintain
the old system sat to the right. Since then, liberal politics has been
labeled "left" and conservative politics has been labeled "right".
In the mid 19th century, an even more radical ideology was formed,
socialism, to the "left" of the then current left. This blurred the
left--right concept somewhat, since the liberals then became "middle" or
even "right". The left--right concept became even more blurred in the
1930's when fascism and nazism was placed off the scale to the right
("extreme right") even though many people think that they have more in
common with the communists on the "extreme left" (left of the
socialists) than with the conservatives traditionally labeled "right".
Nowadays, it can be hard to determine what should be called "left" and
"right" and there also are big differences within each side, so one
should
generally ask for clarification when these terms are used. Especially in
an international context such as this.
anders
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http://anders.hultman.nu/
med dagens bild och allt!
Re: usd money....
Joseph Tainter wrote: Tanya, in re: your large purchase, you should know that you may be limited to withdrawing $300 or so at a time (or per day) from ATM machines. Also, CC fraud is sufficiently rampant that if you suddenly start making large, daily purchases, and don't ordinarily do so, your CC company may assume that your card has been stolen and cut you off. It's unlikely, but it does happen. I travel a lot, here and overseas, and carry travelers' cheques and some cash. Joe In my opinion--- based on personal experience --- excellent advice..... Otis Wright.
Re: usd money....
Cotty wrote: On 21/3/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] discumbobulated: Visa is very widely accepted here, however the snack bar on GFM is cash only. There is an ATM in the museum, but I'm not sure how much can be withdrawn from it. You won't need much cash on the mountain except for souvenirs and maybe a lunch or two. Bill, do you think the bears will take traveller's checks ? Most certainly. And your watch. And your arm. And....... Otis Wright Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: usd money....
Just a bit of caution here. From personal experience, I can say that you can have trouble with the Visa/Master cards here in the US and elsewhere, especially when travelling, due to profile exceptions showing up in the automated fraud prevention programs. Sorting it out can range from a simple phone call or frustratingly difficult series of communications and delays depending on access to a sane, intelligent rep and the nature of the exception. In one case someone had started to use my card no. in another country. The card co. just shut the card off including in process charges which I had to clear one by one in the following days. But, I'm not complaining: very few of the bad charges ever got to my account and those that did were reversed on the following statement -- no questions. I was offered a replacement new account card by "express courier", but that wasn't practical due to my schedule. Fortunately, I had other cards. I believe there was an accounting of similar experiences by a few persons in one of the recent "Electronic Design" columns. American Express has never been a problem for me, except once in a country where all credit card transactions were suspended for awhile throughout the entire country. (That was an interesting experience to say the least.)I try to get by on credit cards when traveling, but I always carry some "emergency" cash and some other backup source of funds like travelers checks, letter of credit, etc. just in case --- however, I really hate being hung up chasing funds when I'm traveling --- so I take more precautions than most would find necessary. Otis Wright Peter J. Alling wrote: We invented it. It used to be called BankAmeracard, I remember when the name was changed. You shouldn't have any trouble using it but I'd look into the conversion rate your bank may charge, it's usually quite competitive but I've only been changing from US dollars. Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: Just wondering - with regards to my USA trip - I was thinking of not bringing any cash at all, and just paying my spending money off my visa. It will be a great help for tax purposes etc, and I rarely carry cash here any more, I usually use EFTPOS for everything. How widely accepted is VISA in the States? Are you able to pay taxi's etc with VISA? Or should I carry some cash with me? What about on GFM? Are there any teller machines that will allow me to withdraw cash from my VISA? I have a pretty large purchase that I will be making whilst I am over there and will need to get my hands on at least USD$650 whilst I am on the mountain (or beforehand to bring with me) tan.
Re: *ist-D and the wide angle lens dilmena
John Forbes wrote: That's true. But manufacturers have to take a bet on what they think the market will want, and plan accordingly. Where is the mystery? From here it is a no brainer... :-P Otis Wright John On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:27:41 -0500, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Its not up to pentax, it up to the market. if everybody else ends up with reasonable priced FF DSLRs in few years, pentax with have to swim or die. JCO J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -Original Message- From: John Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *ist-D and the wide angle lens dilmena I suspect that Pentax thinks the future is digital, and will over the next few years abandon film ,and therefore the 35mm format. I doubt that Pentax will release any new 35mm lenses or cameras after they have dealt with what is already in the pipeline. In other words, they do not (I suspect) intend to support two formats in the future. John On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:29:55 -0500, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: huh? By bringing out APS lenses, they ARE supporting two formats, 35mm and APS! JCO -- -- J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -- -- -Original Message- From: John Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 6:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *ist-D and the wide angle lens dilmena I don't believe Pentax has the resources to support two different dSLR formats, and the fact that they are bringing out lenses in the APS format means that is the format they have hitched themselves to. It is also too early to start talking about the limitations of the APS sensor. I am sure Pentax believe that more resloution can be squeezed out of it. Finally, a Pentax is an enthusiast's camera, not a pro's camera, though some pro's do use them, especially those who appreciate the small size and weight. I would guess that Pentax do not consider that there is sufficient demand within their market place to support 35mm sensors, and the necessarily higher cost and file sizes. Of course, what is so sad is that manufacturers did not produce a relatively low resolution 35mm sensor at the begining. By "low res", I mean something capable of the same sort of pixel count as present APS sensors. This would surely have been easier, and therefore cheaper, to produce than the necessarily much higher density APS sensor, and would then have left the door open to much higher resolutions later. But as it is, don't hold your breath waiting for a 35mm sensor camera from Pentax. It won't happen, unless they make a huge shift in strategy, which will be very costly for them. John On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:36:35 -0500, Peter J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think that there is now at least some evidence that Pentax listens to this list and probably to others as well, Witness the 1.1 software upgrade, which made K/M lenses useful. If they do they will think twice about abandoning the aperture ring. Full frame sensors on dslrs? Well that depends on how inexpensive they become as components. Other manufactures are willing to step in to support a constituency which is something Leica is finding out. Christian Skofteland wrote: - Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How is the DA 14/2.8 a dead end? It doesn't provide full frame coverage, it has no aperture ring, it's good only for one digital camera, hopefully won't work properly on the next (if we are blessed). > Careful, if you hold your breath too long you may turn blue and pass out... ;-) My prediction for the future of Pentax DSLRs: No 24x36 sensors and no aperture rings. As a matter of fact, if Pentax releases more 35mm SLRs they won't need aperture rings either. And I'd put money on no new lenses having aperture rings as well. (they may still produce and sell older lenses with the rings, but no new designs will have them). Pentax is SHOWING us the future. We can bury our heads in the sand and ignore it or we can open our eyes, accept it and move on. I'm holding my breath for another DSLR with the same basic features but higher pixel count and (maybe) some kind of in-the-body-IS. I'm not deluding myself into believing that Pentax will develop a line like Canon or even Nikon are and I'm certainly not thinking, hoping, wanting a DSLR (or film body) with complete backwar
Re: *ist-D and the wide angle lens dilmena
John Forbes wrote: I suspect that Pentax thinks the future is digital, And you, of course, believe film based units will continue to outsell digital???/ :-[ and will over the next few years abandon film ,and therefore the 35mm format. I doubt that Pentax will release any new 35mm lenses or cameras after they have dealt with what is already in the pipeline. In other words, they do not (I suspect) intend to support two formats in the future. John On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:29:55 -0500, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: huh? By bringing out APS lenses, they ARE supporting two formats, 35mm and APS! JCO J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -Original Message- From: John Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 6:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *ist-D and the wide angle lens dilmena I don't believe Pentax has the resources to support two different dSLR formats, and the fact that they are bringing out lenses in the APS format means that is the format they have hitched themselves to. It is also too early to start talking about the limitations of the APS sensor. I am sure Pentax believe that more resloution can be squeezed out of it. Finally, a Pentax is an enthusiast's camera, not a pro's camera, though some pro's do use them, especially those who appreciate the small size and weight. I would guess that Pentax do not consider that there is sufficient demand within their market place to support 35mm sensors, and the necessarily higher cost and file sizes. Of course, what is so sad is that manufacturers did not produce a relatively low resolution 35mm sensor at the begining. By "low res", I mean something capable of the same sort of pixel count as present APS sensors. This would surely have been easier, and therefore cheaper, to produce than the necessarily much higher density APS sensor, and would then have left the door open to much higher resolutions later. But as it is, don't hold your breath waiting for a 35mm sensor camera from Pentax. It won't happen, unless they make a huge shift in strategy, which will be very costly for them. John On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:36:35 -0500, Peter J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think that there is now at least some evidence that Pentax listens to this list and probably to others as well, Witness the 1.1 software upgrade, which made K/M lenses useful. If they do they will think twice about abandoning the aperture ring. Full frame sensors on dslrs? Well that depends on how inexpensive they become as components. Other manufactures are willing to step in to support a constituency which is something Leica is finding out. Christian Skofteland wrote: - Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How is the DA 14/2.8 a dead end? It doesn't provide full frame coverage, it has no aperture ring, it's good only for one digital camera, hopefully won't work properly on the next (if we are blessed). > Careful, if you hold your breath too long you may turn blue and pass out... ;-) My prediction for the future of Pentax DSLRs: No 24x36 sensors and no aperture rings. As a matter of fact, if Pentax releases more 35mm SLRs they won't need aperture rings either. And I'd put money on no new lenses having aperture rings as well. (they may still produce and sell older lenses with the rings, but no new designs will have them). Pentax is SHOWING us the future. We can bury our heads in the sand and ignore it or we can open our eyes, accept it and move on. I'm holding my breath for another DSLR with the same basic features but higher pixel count and (maybe) some kind of in-the-body-IS. I'm not deluding myself into believing that Pentax will develop a line like Canon or even Nikon are and I'm certainly not thinking, hoping, wanting a DSLR (or film body) with complete backwards compatibility to M and K lenses. It would be futile. My US$1.00 Christian -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?
Or maybe.. dumber cameras make for fewer (brighter) photogs. :-P I like to the auto features. I run auto when it gets or should get me the results I want. I run manual when auto isn't going to cut it. Some days I run auto most of the day, some days the camera just stays in manual. Depends on the environment, subject, and the desired result. Otis Belinkoff wrote: ergo, smarter cameras make dumber photogs. Herb Chong wrote: all that tells me is that the number of people who really do want to learn is falling. there is too much temptation to turn on the meter or AF and let it do everything for you, even in a photo course.
Re: OT Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?
I agree ... in part --- I think.. However, I'm not very impressed with the leadership of the professional educator community that I've encountered lately either. IMHO we could use some improvement on a lot fronts in education. Back to photo challenges 8-) . Otis William M Kane wrote: Otis, I know this is getting a bit off topic, but I need to step up on the soap box here: Yes, the "school system" is churning out many students who can't do what is described below, and I will be the first to admit that. However, what you described is not just a matter of learning the "three R's" . . . it goes well beyond that . . . it is called work ethic. Now a work ethic can be started to be taught in school, but it is one of those things that is reinforced if not totally taught at home. If parents and communities don't stand up and help the school system teach this, the USA will continue on the same trend it's on. We can't stand up at the polls and demand "no child left behind", but then turn around the next day and complain that the taxes are too high, and we need to cut school funding. . . . we also can't place total blame on the school systems. Look at the leading countries (academically) cultures and you'll see that the learned behaviors we seek are not taught in toto in the schools. Otis, I hope you do not think I am attempting to flame you. I'm just trying to vent some steam and perhaps share some of my understanding with the general public. IL Bill On Sunday, February 15, 2004, at 02:30 PM, Otis Wright wrote: I'm afraid we in the US will see a lot more of this. Our school systems in the USA are turning them out by the tens of thousands. They are taught they never get anything wrong and that they'll get excellent pay for just showing up. And they wonder why the jobs are going overseas I know, not that simple, but it plays into the same arena. In any given week, I have a least three such encounters. And, in the same week, I'll deal with twice as many overseas support personnel who bust their but to get it right---not always easy, but most of the time the job gets done and when there is trouble they work at it if you work with them instead of giving you useless info. Otis Shel Belinkoff wrote: I had lunch at a local restaurant and the bill was $15.00 and change. I gave the woman at the register a $100.00 bill. The change should have been $84.00+ but I was given $64.00+ shortchanged by $20.00. Bringing this to the attention of the cashier, I was told the amount of change I received was correct. That's what the computer in the register said. I asked her to do the math, to subtract $85.00 from $100.00. She looked at me like I was from outer space, and insisted that the computer was right. She either could not do the math (a likely probability) or believed whatever "the computer" told her (also a strong possibility). We had to call the restaurant manager to get the math right and for me to get the correct change. Sheesh! graywolf wrote: But it is rocket science. There is simple arithmetic involved. Much better to use a camera with a built in auto calculator so you don't even have to think about the numbers, much less how to use them. That is really why no one wants to use public transportation you know. Too hard to count your change for the fare.
Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?
I'm afraid we in the US will see a lot more of this. Our school systems in the USA are turning them out by the tens of thousands. They are taught they never get anything wrong and that they'll get excellent pay for just showing up. And they wonder why the jobs are going overseas I know, not that simple, but it plays into the same arena. In any given week, I have a least three such encounters. And, in the same week, I'll deal with twice as many overseas support personnel who bust their but to get it right---not always easy, but most of the time the job gets done and when there is trouble they work at it if you work with them instead of giving you useless info. Otis Shel Belinkoff wrote: I had lunch at a local restaurant and the bill was $15.00 and change. I gave the woman at the register a $100.00 bill. The change should have been $84.00+ but I was given $64.00+ shortchanged by $20.00. Bringing this to the attention of the cashier, I was told the amount of change I received was correct. That's what the computer in the register said. I asked her to do the math, to subtract $85.00 from $100.00. She looked at me like I was from outer space, and insisted that the computer was right. She either could not do the math (a likely probability) or believed whatever "the computer" told her (also a strong possibility). We had to call the restaurant manager to get the math right and for me to get the correct change. Sheesh! graywolf wrote: But it is rocket science. There is simple arithmetic involved. Much better to use a camera with a built in auto calculator so you don't even have to think about the numbers, much less how to use them. That is really why no one wants to use public transportation you know. Too hard to count your change for the fare.
Re: Dust and DSLR's
What cleaning process are you using Otis Rob Studdert wrote: On 14 Feb 2004 at 10:20, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Read a few complaints about dusty sensors and their problems here. Seems to be a complaint in many venues. Is it a big problem or a minor annoyance for YOU? How do you deal with the dust problem? From my perspective it's only a little more work at the end of a photo session and far easier than removing a greasy print from a front or rear lens element. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: The Wilhelm testing method. Was Re: OT: Photographic Materials
Thank you. Real helpful. Excellent facilitation. Otis Shel Belinkoff wrote: Yeah, but WTF do you know, Bill. You ain't got no degree or nuthin' and your experience can't matter 'cause it don't conform to no approved testing measures. No need trying t'talk to you. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Otis Wright" Subject: Re: The Wilhelm testing method. Was Re: OT: Photographic Materials Can see you not into materials testing. Guess we can forgo testing contstruction in the future. And this has what to do with testing longevity of photographic materials? But really, do you test construction materials by seeing how it reacts to 100G? Opinions from left field are interesting but not very constructive. Of course if you have material performance data that refutes Wilhelms work, it would be of some interest. Well, I do have some RC prints that have lasted far longer than Wilhelm says they would, based on his testing procedures. No yellowing, and no delamintating. The problem with his method is that it depends on extrapolating results from a presumption. This is not coming from left field, this is coming from someone who has, like Wilhelm, spent most of his life working in the technical end of photography. William Robb
Re: The Wilhelm testing method. Was Re: OT: Photographic Materials
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Otis Wright" Subject: Re: The Wilhelm testing method. Was Re: OT: Photographic Materials Can see you not into materials testing. Guess we can forgo testing contstruction in the future. And this has what to do with testing longevity of photographic materials? But really, do you test construction materials by seeing how it reacts to 100G? Why not?Are you saying there is not material/application where tests at that level are meaningful? [I do get your drift, so I'm not trying to run this one out too far.] Opinions from left field are interesting but not very constructive. Of course if you have material performance data that refutes Wilhelms work, it would be of some interest. Well, I do have some RC prints that have lasted far longer than Wilhelm says they would, based on his testing procedures. No yellowing, and no delamintating. The problem with his method is that it depends on extrapolating results from a presumption. This is not coming from left field, this is coming from someone who has, like Wilhelm, spent most of his life working in the technical end of photography. I'm always in left field. Having worked in and around material testing since '58 and being a current regular purchaser of material testing services, references to Wilhelm's work here some time ago caught my eye and I picked up a copy of his "The Permance and Care ..."My limited tech work in Photos didn't flag the work, and it seemed like a reasonable approach, subject to someone providing a studied objection, and someof the 50 plus year old photo products around here seemed to suggest he was onto something --- but the sample is too small to mean anything. In any case, I understand where your coming from, but I don't think I'll through the book out today. William Robb
Re: The Wilhelm testing method. Was Re: OT: Photographic Materials
William Robb wrote: The problem with any extrapolated test, be it Wilhelm's method, which is decidedly harsh, or Kodak's, which is not really a longevity test at all, is that neither one real tells you anything. Wilhelms method tells you tat if you pump 450 lux into a print for 12 hours per day, it will start to fade after X number of days. Nothing else. Nada. His methods don't reflect how prints are treated in the real world, and cannot be used to judge anything, beyond comparing how different materials react to his testing procedures. Can see you not into materials testing. Guess we can forgo testing contstruction in the future. Opinions from left field are interesting but not very constructive. Of course if you have material performance data that refutes Wilhelms work, it would be of some interest. Otis Wright Regarding cost of 100 speed film to 800 speed film, I doubt very much if it costs more to make one than another, at least not an appreciable amount. William Robb
Re: * ist Digital Question
Yes, During the first week of what would become an 11-year sojourn in 'Oz, I had this explained quite graphically to me by young lady during a mixed conference meeting of about 20 persons.Took about a week for normal colour to return to my face. Never forgot that one. Was reminded by some from time-to-time. They had a lot of fun with this Yank and I thoroughly enjoyed my stay in 'Oz. A bit later, she turned out to be one of the finest solictors I ever worked with. Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: This is too funny to me - in Australia, what we refer to as a "fanny" is in fact only found only on a lady and is the FRONT rather than the BACK of them, iykwim? We here, call what you are referring to, a BUM! lol AND rather than "fanny pack", it is a "bum bag"... tan. Hi, Cesar wrote: Can I find a larger fanny pack? How big is your fanny likely to grow? m
Re: Papa Flash
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, Doc Edgerton was an early electrical engineer, in Dynamo Engineering I believe. He developed the flash to help freeze the spinning machinery for a good look. In the hall outside his lab there were some of his early photos, including Ariel Recon photos of Boston taken in the late '30's. He loaded some flash tubes and capacitors in an airplane and took night shots of 4 or 9 square miles of Boston at a time. He was a remarkable individual with a great deal of curiosity who treated the students well. He and his lab were remarkably open to undergraduates. One afternoon while helping Doc with a show at a local Hotel, the press showed up and suggested that I and another student stand back so that they could get some solo shots of Doc with some of the gear on display. What they got was shots WITH the students front and center and to do so they were allowed to take some duplicates with the student's cameras as part of the deal. Doc took a lot of interest and extremely good care of those who worked with him.It all transpired very smoothly and comfortably -- no tension whatsoever -- as was Doc's style, and as I recall on that occasion there were no opportunities for any solo shots of Doc except those he offered to the students after the press left. I didn't take any courses from Doc. Just worked in his lab. However, no one had a more profound impact on my career other than maybe Jay Forrester. In the '60's, he brought friends like Jaques Costeau around to show off his early underwater movies. Costeau was visiting in '59 , and it was my impression then that he had there in earlier years. Amongst many other things, we were working on camera sleds and sled-tracking sonar at the time--- as I recall. Cheers, Otis Wright Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Those were photos from Doc Edgerton's lab at MIT. They used some good size flash tubes, and I believe a microphone was used to trigger the flash. Polaroid film and open the shutter, fire the gun, which triggers the flash, and you see where the bullet is. Then, adjust the microphone closer or farther away from the gun, to get the bullet where you want it in the frame. I'm speaking from a position of almost total ignorance here, but surely a bullet is travelling 2 or 3 times faster than sound? Over the short distances involved is it really possible to do this? I don't know anything about the velocity of bullets, but even if they do travel at Mach 3 all you'd have to do is position the target 3 feet from the gun and the microphone 1 foot away and you'd be pretty much synchronized. I would have thought a light or electric trigger would be better. e.g. fit the trigger or the hammer of the gun with an electrical gizmo to fire the flash. A microphone was deemed the easiest way to go: No attachments or modifications to the gun; most equipment readily available off-the shelf. Edgerton claims he got his first shot (the bullet going through the apple, IIRC) on his first try. Clearly, this was a man not unaccustomed to precise laboratory work!
Re: DSLR/PC plateau?
Scott Nelson wrote: You can take care of thermal noise (to a point) by cooling the sensor with something like liquid nitrogen - not that this is very practical unless you are using a telescope. At a given temperature, smaller pixels and higher iso will result in more thermal noise. Actually, there are quite a few systems using LN cooled sensors in use in industrial and "gov't" applications. I had the chance to look at some of thse a few months ago. Quite impressive results... Packaging was a lot smaller than I had anticipated. Otis Wright Lens performance will always be limited by diffraction effects, so hold onto your 300/2.8. What can be counted on (IMHO) is that sensors will continue to get larger and cheaper. -Scott On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 19:37, Herb Chong wrote: only in science fiction. you can't make a lens that can stand that much magnification and there is a fixed amount of thermal noise that can't be gotten around. Herb - Original Message - From: "Chaso DeChaso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: Re: DSLR/PC plateau? One quick example would be when something happens (relatively soon) such as sensors becoming not only way higher in resolution but also much more light-sensitive than film. Among other things, this would allow both digital-only (non optical) zoom and total depth of field. Software after the fact would allow you to select the focal plane and bokeh. When something like this happens all of the sudden everyone will "need" to do it and almost everyone apart from me will be saying "Do you think I am going to lug around a 300mm f/2.8 when the guy next to me can do all the same stuff with a 50mm f/1.4..that's CRzy!"
Re: Today, I feel as though I have achieved something....
Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, "Tanya Mayer Photography" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For anyone who takes the time to look through them, thankyou so much! I have these questions to ask, if you were offered these to "show off" a product of your own, would you be happy with them, or am I just kidding myself, are they seriously crap? Or if you were a potential customer, would you purchase these garments judged on what you see in these pics? Have I made the garments look good? Or crap? There are the odd threads etc showing that will be removed in PS later on... If this is a first attempt, then you have indeed done well. I don't do any commercial product photography and know little of it outside of the studio with the light table. To my way of thinking the goal of the shoot is to produce business images that strengthen the advertising campaign messages. Photography can add a great deal of impact to a brochure, magazine ad, or internet site. If the photo's have impact, and show the product clear whilst maintaining the goals of the advertising campaingn, it is a success. And, because product photographs are normally used for some purpose by someone else, it has always been my practice to have that someone else present for any photowork -- normally with a vetted written "plan" for the shoot. It is hard for a photographer to produce photographs you need for a specific purpose if the end user is not present --- at least this has been my experience. I've run into a few exceptional photographers who needed little input, but for the most part the "end-user" presence was critical to a achieving time and cost-effective results. Otis Wright I browse through all of these images and they look just fine. There are some things I would have done differently, but at the end of the day, the customer is at the mercy of the photographers artistic interpretation. Again, congratulations on your success. Your customer should be well pleased with the results. Now, I'd better go and cook some dinner! lol.. Is that an invite? ;) Kind regards Kevin
Re: New job and Ritz Camera
Ditto, Micro-, machine-, assembler on up the line. In the early days --- maintained wrote and maintained assemblers, compilers, and operating systems for mainframes in special applications.Last code used in commercial product 1980. Last code for personal use around 1990. Last direction of development of commercial product involving software development 1993. Last use of a compiler for anything meaningful around 1995. Still review machine low level code from time to time to assist with forensic analysis. Now and then get the urge to tweak something, but opening up a system for meaningful code mods these days is no minor challenge. For the most part can find what I need by shopping around for an application package that has the functions I want. I'm perfectly happy to let someone else do the support and modification work. But it was surely a lot of fun. Some great memories. Otis Wright John Francis wrote: In the mainframe days systems analysis, programing, and coding were all different jobs. Now-a-days I understand they are usually combined. Coding was the grunt work. Yes, the term tends to be used derogatorily these days, unless you are talking about microcoding. Everyone who has written workable machine code (not assember code) raise their hand. Been there. Done that. Got the T-shirt. Machine code, assembler, and autcode. Nowadays I don't program in anything lower-level than C. Machines are so much faster (and bigger), and compilers and libraries are so much better, that apart from a few very specialised OS routines (and some of the library routines themselves) there's no real point.
Re: What do you think?
What are you including in costs. Direct, burdened, G&A, R&D deprec. etc. Otis Wright Herb Chong wrote: does high margin mean double, triple, or more for your cost of a roll of film plus processing? Herb - Original Message - From: "Bob Walkden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: Re: What do you think? I take a different view. Consumer photography, and probably most professional photography, will quickly become exclusively digital, for all intents and purposes. Film photography is likely to be more like B&W has been for the last 40 years - a niche for enthusiasts. The film that will be available will be a low volume / high margin product available from specialist outlets, and processed at a small number of labs who cater for enthusiasts. Much like Kodachrome and Scala (although they happen to be the cheapest films for me). It will be expensive, but high quality because the enthusiasts will only want high quality.
Re: Holiday wishes from the List Guy
Many thank to you, Doug. Merry Christmas.. Otis Wright Doug Brewer wrote: Just a quick note to thank you all for your contributions to the list and keeping me entertained for another year. Whatever your persuasion, I hope this is a joyous season for you and yours. Doug
Re: What do you think?
Like I said, while Kodak and Fuji sell film ~cameras~, film has ten years minimum life expectancy. regards, Anthony Farr But it might not be much of a life. Forcing the supply of film doesn't mean it will be of the type and quality you want. Either quality, selecton, or price will give and I expect dramatically. When the profits are gone, so is the product as it was then known -- for all practical purposes and the volume dependant margin enviroment that film has developed into is IMHO not llikely to lanquish long at least with any great breadth of selection with even moderate declines in volume. Otis Wright Anthony Farr wrote: Not at all, Bob. The specialist camera makers can shelter under the umbrella of the film and camera manufacturers. So long as Kodak and Fuji sell film cameras the ~hardware only~ manufacturers can rest assured that film will be available for the required period. But on the day that no film manufacturer also sells a film camera there will be much rearranging of the deckchairs on the Titanic. I predict that no company would risk the legal ramifications of selling a film camera if Kodak and Fuji also withdraw from film camera sales. Like I said, while Kodak and Fuji sell film ~cameras~, film has ten years minimum life expectancy. regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: "Bob Walkden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, that would not be a very clever argument. It would imply that the camera makers such as Pentax also had to be film makers. Or that kitchen equipment makers also had to be food retailers; printer manufacturers would have to be paper makers. Law-makers would have to be Fagins. Cup makers would have to guarantee a water supply. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: OT - Decerebrate Turnip
Thanks. Great entertainment. Otis Wright Cotty wrote: For fans of comedy and motorcycles, this eBay auction is a must read: <http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2442354423> LOL! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: GFM Attendees (updated)
They charge more for Sydney cattle. Otis Wright Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: Rob, I am flying into NYC or DC - both of which are AU $1800 cattle class... tan. - Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:02 AM Subject: Re: GFM Attendees (updated) On 8 Dec 2003 at 8:55, mike wilson wrote: Doesn't it come under the convention about "cruel and unusual punishment"? Probably. My problem is that if I travel half way around the world I can't justify staying less than a month given that I can't write it off as a business cost and the air-fares alone will be about US$2250 cattle class. :-( Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: GFM Attendees (updated)
You might want to look at just continuing on east to 'Oz from England. When I lived in Sydney, I often traveled to Europe via the US and found that returning on a easterly route was about the same cost and quite interesting. Otis Wright Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: Cotty, on a side note - where in England are you, and how long is the flight to the US? How much approx. does it cost? I have ALWAYS wanted to shoot in England/Ireland, I am very Celtic inclined, and love all of that old stuff. PLUS, my best friend lives in London and just had a baby, so I was thinking that while I was in the Hemisphere, I may be able to take a little detour if funds allow it... tan. - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:55 AM Subject: Re: GFM Attendees (updated) On 8/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I put in first dibs for the shower (promise not to use all of the hot water though!) There is a compromise here, modesty aside. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Silly Digital Survey
Somewhere around 3. Use digital prosumer P&S for 95 % of pics. Use film for wide angle, back up, special set ups, long shots, and to provide family with an odd set of prints now and then. Impact of going digital so far. Killed move to K mount. Howver, did purchased several additional SMCT lenses, another Spotmatic F, and another ESII to secure the screwmount base. Don't see further investment in for now. Near term will add following digital equipment: a small (physica size) P&S and a DSLR. P&S as soon as I can locate and checkout. DSLR when have time to to the research to get comfortable with a configuraton of equipment that will meet my needs in the area of flash synch, low light AF, and wide angle. Otis Wright Shel Belinkoff wrote: With fond memories of surveys past : 1) How many have totally given up shooting film and have moved completely to digital (That means no film and film cameras in your equipment cabinet)? 2) How many are in the process of doing so (like Bruce, who is actually selling equipment) as opposed to "thinking about it," which doesn't count in this survey. 3) How many have made the switch to digital, but keep a film camera around for one reason or another, although you do not use, and have not used, the film camera since acquiring your digital camera? 4) To put the numbers in perspective, how many list members are there. shel
Re: carry-on regs for photographers
Keith Whaley wrote: John Francis wrote: FYI, the TSA has made a change in the regs: http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1248.xml Well, yes. But the additional bag still has to comply with the weight and size restrictions for carry-on baggage. It's rather hard for me to carry my 250-600 that way. So my choice is either leave it at home or put it in checked baggage. I'm thinking of getting another smaller case which will serve me as a day-to-day carryaround for the *ist-D and some of my smaller lenses, and to take that as carry-on when travelling, loading it up with just the bodies, any film I plan to use, and suchlike. P.S. Don't you just love the advice that film should be removed from the canister and placed in a clear plastic bag? And why just unexposed film, anyway? What about exposed but undeveloped film? You carry the unexposed film with a bit of the leader hanging out, and the exposed film with the leader wound up inside the cartridge. Relative to the wording of the regulations, I think they assume the exposed film is not subject to damage by xrays, so they don't mention it. Do you think it is? keith whaley Huh? Otis Wright
Re: It's Here!
Did you compare it to the D100, as you suggested you might. If so, any comparison comments you care to share? Otis Wright Bruce Dayton wrote: Just had to say, I went out this morning and got a new *istD! Of course, the deal with the wife was that it had to be returnable, just in case Bruce
Re: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan...
With the Kodak and now Nikon (others?) announcements, one would think all cos. with high volume low margin film-based products (lines) would be under pressure from the investment community to justify further expenditure (operations) in thse areas. With this pressure and public disclosure guidelines most cos. now follow, I would expect to see more cos. explaining there position in this area over the next half year or so. Otis Wright Bill Owens wrote: I think that all the major manufacturers, with the possible exception of Minolta (are they a major manufacturer anymore?) have probably made the same decision, just Nikon has made if official. Bill And, boy, is it happening much faster than I thought it would. Me too! And, to have a major player like Nikon make this sea-change move now is glaringly significant. Marnie aka Doe Much faster, even though I thought it might happen fast. keith whaley
Re: Batteries, was Re: istD Histogram display
Have seen statements suggesting NiMh batteries lose 1%-2% of their charge a day. Can't remember how good the source was. Maybe someone else has more accurate numbers. Otis Wright Bill Owens wrote: I saw those advertised, but my local store only had the 1-hour chargers. Still, I reckoned that was probably good enough; I can recharge a set of batteries while I'm out using up the first set. What's the capacity of the 15-minute cells? I've got mostly 1800 mAh for my one-hours, although I've also got several 1600s lying around for the cordless phones, wireless mousen, etc. The 15 minute cells are 2000 mAh. I also have some cell ranging from 1500-1800 mAh that I use in either the 1 hour charger, or the Pentax charger (which only does slow charges). It's interesting that with the 15 minute cells, a cooling fan runs in the charger. With any other cells, it's a 7-8 hour charge with no cooling fan running. Evidently there's something in the 15 minute cells that the charger "reads" to turn on the fan Does anyone know how long charged NiMh cells can be stored in a charged state before they discharge enough to require a recharge? At present I still carry regular disposable batteries as well for use in the FTZ500 (and the MZ-S battery grip). If I could find the documentation I'd see if I can use NiMh rechargeables there, too - does anybody know? I don't know about the BG-10 grip, but I do use NiMh in the 360FGZ Bill
Re: 5 Mpixel price breakthough
And then there are those who have run and enterprise, and all your internal figuring is useless if you don't price competitively. Forget the theory. Lets look at reality. If your entering a mature market or dynamic new market with lots of aggressive players you may not ever make any money on the first few products because the market is setting your price limits if you wish to gain the market share necessary to make money on later products. I am always amazed by the coaching from those who never left the bleachers. Otis Wright graywolf wrote: Sometimes I wonder if anyone here ever took an accounting course. Let's take a look at the D-Rebel from that viewpoint. It costs a certain amount to develop a digital camera (or any new product). Then you have to figure out at what point you want to recoup that cost. Say you budget it at a million units. If you never sell a million units you lose money on every camera you sell. But once you reach that point the cameras only cost is overhead, materials, and distribution, so you are in the money making phase of the business. In that phase you have three choices 1. you can continue along making big profits, if your completion will let you. 2. You can lower your prices keep the same profit, and hurt your completion. 3. You can make several models of basically the same camera at different price points. The cheapest hurts your competition but makes you little or no profit. The main stream makes good profit and is what you depend upon. Then if you can you produce a deluxe model that makes big profits but in smaller volume. Where does Canon sit right now? Well the D60 probably paid for the R&D. The 10D is basically the current mainstream camera. The Rebel is the lost leader. All three of these cameras are basically the same camera (electronically) with mostly software differences. The 10D and the Rebel probably cost within $100 of each other to produce. Unfortunately for the competition they have not recovered R&D, Nikon is probably near, Pentax will be a long time yet, so they are setting the market price. And Canon is stealing market share with its supposedly much cheaper digital Rebel and making money hand over fist with the 10D. All of this is common to new markets. Mature markets are pretty much a level playing field as everyone still in have recovered basic R&D and new models come out pretty even across the board, but it is costly for a newcomer to break into the field. --- Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:50:14 +0100 Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: on 28.10.03 3:19, J. C. O'Connell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still dont believe that camera has a sensor that cost CANON $700 if thats what your trying to say. Why not? Analog EOS-300V (EOS Rebel Ti) costs about 200$ and it has far more built-in mechanics than its digital sibbling. Electronics other than CCD in DSLRs should be rather cheap. -- Best Regards Sylwek Pardon my intrusion, but I seem to miss something here. Let me try to explain why I think RebelD costs whatever it costs... Canon (or any other similar company for that matter) has market presense in most if not all market segments. So they seem to know what are the specs the market favors and how much market is willing to pay for it. So they just produce the camera that is as close to the favorite specs of given market segment as they can get within their own time frame. Then they charge maximal (perhaps minus little delta) amount of money for the outcome... I really think it is that simple. Of course there're technical details, such as production and/or research costs, and so on. But one techinicalities are done with, and somehow I am sure Canon can be quite done with technical part of the game, it is not that difficult to set up a price for the product. I suppose that charging maximal explains why when eventually prices go down, the product is still produced and sold, normally with profit! Let the light be with you... Boris _ "Антивирус Касперского Personal Pro + Антихакер по специальной цене $85" http://www.kaspersky.ru/offer/
Re: On topic?!
Thanks. All my systems have latest IE setup on them. Until now, I've just been more comfortable using Netscape. I tried early version of 6.x and it was too slow on this system. I'll probably give 7.x a shot when I set up the new system next week. Otis Keith Whaley wrote: > Hi Otis, > > You said: "Communicator 4.79 and it is beginning to have trouble with > a lot of sites..." > > It's NOT NetCOMM that's having the problems. Seems the problem lies > with those who design their sites with IE in mind, and don't bother > about NetCOMM at all. > Many sites have this very same problem. > I used to visit web site where the photos would be viewed in their own > place, with text wrapped around the photos appropriately, and now I > don't. I didn't change my NetCOMM ~ it's the folks NOT taking NetCOMM > into account when they design and debug their sites is what's happened. > > Otis, if you expect Netscape 6.x to work better than 4.79, might as > well switch over to all Explorer right now. > Netscape 6.x is NOT ready for prime time! They've been fussing with it > for years, it seems, and it's never left the beta stage. > Go to the newsgroup site and read all the problems folks have been > having with 6. That's why I stay with 4.79. Neither 6.x nor 7.x have > shown they have even most of the bugs out, and they're still not > reliable as my 4.79 is. > > keith whaley > > "Otis Wright, Jr." wrote: > > > > Ditto. Communicator 4.79 and it is beginning to have trouble with a lot of sites > > where Explorer works OK. I'm putting in a new system next week and will move on >to > > 6.x and if it has problems Netscrape is done at this office. > > > > Otis Wright > > > > Keith Whaley wrote: > > > > > Me, too. Netscape Communicator 4.79. > > > Sad. I'd like to know what lies behind the photo! > > > > > > keith whaley... > > [...]
Re: On topic?!
Thanks for the input. I tried an early version of 6.x and went back to 4.79, so 7.x it is for the next attempt. Otis Wright Antti-Pekka Virjonen wrote: > At 00:36 30.1.2003 -0500, you wrote: > >Ditto. Communicator 4.79 and it is beginning to have trouble with a lot of sites > >where Explorer works OK. I'm putting in a new system next week and will move on to > >6.x and if it has problems Netscrape is done at this office. > > > >Otis Wright > > Don't go with 6.x. Move on to 7.01 ! It is a lot faster and better than > any previous version. (6.x never worked too well...) > > Antti-Pekka > > --- > * Antti-Pekka Virjonen * Fiskarsinkatu 7 D * GSM: +358 500 789 753 * > * Computec Oy Turku* FIN-20750 Turku Finland * Fax: +358 10 264 0777 *
Re: On topic?!
Ditto. Communicator 4.79 and it is beginning to have trouble with a lot of sites where Explorer works OK. I'm putting in a new system next week and will move on to 6.x and if it has problems Netscrape is done at this office. Otis Wright Keith Whaley wrote: > Me, too. Netscape Communicator 4.79. > Sad. I'd like to know what lies behind the photo! > > keith whaley... > > frank theriault wrote: > > > > Hi, Ann, > > > > Thanks for mentioning the distraction of the image overlapping the text - I'd > > meant to mention that, as it does the same for me, but I forgot. > > > > I've only gone to PhotoSIG a few times, and it's done that every time for me. > > I use Netscrape, FWIW. It really bugs me, because I'd like to be able to read > > all the text, but can't. > > > > regards, > > frank > > > > Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > > > > Well, ok - > > > Boris, it is pretty enough, but doesn't really grab one. A nice stock > > > photo shot. It has neither serious > > > flaws or anything that makes one go "oh, wow!" - that is probably why you > > > got few comments. > > > But there is a problem - at least with the browser I was using just now _ > > > The page is extremely distracting. > > > the photo overlaps some of the text. I'll take a look at it later from > > > aol and from explorer to see if it does > > > the same thing. I have my preferences set for a somewhat larger type than > > > usual but that really should > > > not matter. I understand you didnt "design" this (Well, at least I think > > > not!) presentation style but > > > it sure hurts your photo. > > > > > > I'm writing to the list instead of your sight as I don't like to have to > > > SIGN IN to anything on the web > > > that I don't need to. > > > > > > Regards, > > > annsan critique at large > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Boris Liberman
Re: Let's keep open minds
If digital products are going to erode 645 sales, then this will happen whether Pentax produces digital or not and what Pentax has to decide is whether they want piece of the action picked up by digital products or not. Very few mfrs. have been able to protect a product from technology pressures by not participating the the advance of same. I'm sure it happens, but no examples come to mind at this point. In aggressive, high tech product arenas, a very effective way to protect your market share/growth rates is to kill your own products with your own new products before someone else does it for you. Just my opinion... Otis Wright T Rittenhouse wrote: > Well, since Pentax makes a well selling 645 why would they want to produce a > digital camera that would erode those sales. Maybe a 645 based digital that > would increase 645 lens sales, but not a 35mm based digital that would eat > into those sales. Now there is one to speculate about, when will Pentax > intro a 645 digital body, or a digitally optimized interchangeable back 645? > They are obviously going to have to, to stay competitive; but what is the > time frame? > > Everything I have heard says a 6mp 35mm based K-mount DSLR will be > introduced at PMA. Barring unforeseen problems it should be on the shelves > by the end of summer. I also have heard rumors that they will also intro > several new consumer digitals. The Optio S, and this 110 based camera seems > to confirm that. > > Ciao, > Graywolf > http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto > > - Original Message - > From: "Iren & Henry Chu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:00 AM > Subject: Re: Let's keep open minds > > > Dear all, > > > > > > _Pentax_ never stated that it would be a DSLR that would take K-mount > > > > lenses. We just assumed that. Pentax just stated that it would be a > > >DSLR. > > > > No? > > > > > > > > But, personally, I'm intrigued (the real word is "fascinated," not > > > > intrigued, but hey, it's not an etymologically prescriptive world any > > >more > > > > ) by the notion of a DSLR based on the old 110. Fascinating idea. > > > > > >There are some Japanese folks who inquired directly to Pentax regarding > the > > >K-mount for the coming DSLR, and Pentax confirmed that it (or they? :-) > > >uses > > >K-mount. > > > > Let's keep open-minded. Let me have a stock check on the Pentax D-SLR > > rumour mills: > > > > 1. ultra-compact D-SLR based on Auto110 (1/1.8" CCD sensor?) using xD > memory > > card - surely a Canon G3-killer > > 2. compact D-SLR with 6M APS-sized sensor using K-mount and specially > > designed wide-angle lens, equivalent to current competitors like Nikon > D100 > > 3. professional foveon 10M 35mm full-frame D-SLR, probably an answer to > 645 > > users too > > > > We have been waiting for Pentax to roll out a D-SLR for some while but now > > suddenly it is possible that three different prototype D-SLRs aiming for > > different markets will roll out in the coming PMA? It's like waiting for > a > > bus in the rush hours. > > > > Regards, > > > > Henry Chu > > 24/1/2003 > > > > _ > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > >
Re: trackball and photoshop
I'm only a sample of one, but I find I do better tracing and drawing with the track ball than with the mouse. I admit, my drawing tasks are very simple. I magnify anything that requires fine work, which I found I needed to do with the mouse also. Otis Wright Herb Chong wrote: > Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Of course the tablet would be ideal, but at least a mouse could be used > with > a rule or template if you wish, and I feel the tracing of curves would be > easier with a mouse. > Cleaning up the edges or erasing background along the edge of a shape would > be difficult with a trackball. It is best for the random access to any > part > of the screen with the minimum real estate on the desk. > > Cheers, > > Ken< > > tracing with a mouse is very hard too. following a path of any kind with a > trackball is very hard and a mouse only slightly improves on it. drawing a > freehand selection to match something in the image with a trackball is just > about impossible. navigating menus and buttons is easier with a trackball > than a mouse. drawing with a trackball isn't. > > Herb...
Re: trackball and photoshop
I like mine very much. Took awhile to get the thumb trained, but I now much prefer it to a mouse. I especially like now having to make space in my work area to move the mouse around. Picked up a couple more for my other systems a few weeks ago. Otis Wright Mike Ignatiev wrote: > has anyone tried to used this combo? > i had picked up one on sale (logitech optical wireless, a big marble on top) to >replace my old mouse. so far it's a challenge for me to even cut and paste text, >although i expect that this will improve. the big question is, is it suitable for >photo editing? i cannot answer this for myself at the moment because of the previous >p. > > best, > mishka
Re: Self standing Pentax Slave flash?
I picked up one a few months ago. I've used in the field (mostly with digital cam) to handle special lighting requirements with reasonable success. I've also used it with my SLRs for general work with only moderate success, I need to work with it a bit more to work out how to best work with its fixed output capability. I have a better luck using vivitar flashes with SL-2 trigger because I of the better control of the flash output. Unfortunately, this combo is too big for my prime field pack. Otis Wright. Steve Pearson wrote: > Anyone ever tried one of these: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3860&item=3000329846 > > Looks like it might help w/ shadows, hair highlights, > etc. Also appears to have other mischievous uses? > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: OT: Re: Profanity
You rang, ;-) Doug Brewer wrote: > =damn= > > At 12:27 AM -05001/11/03, Otis Wright, Jr. wrote, or at least typed: > >I don't think this sells. It may be true, but the general or periodic use > >of profanity "for effect" is not effective in general, in my opinion. > >I've worked with exceptional people all my life. They account for a small > >percentage of the general scene and for the rest much stiffer get applied > >-- sooner or later. I use to be a major offender, but one day I got pulled > >up real short by one of my most valued staff. Today, those using > >profanity consistently around me soon find themselves working elsewhere, > >for someone else. I don't need the irritation and in today's corporate > >environment, there is no need to put hard earned assets at risk by > >encouraging such behavior. > > > >Otis Wright > -- > Douglas Forrest Brewer > Ashwood Lake Photography > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.alphoto.com
Re: OT: Re: Profanity
I don't think this sells. It may be true, but the general or periodic use of profanity "for effect" is not effective in general, in my opinion. I've worked with exceptional people all my life. They account for a small percentage of the general scene and for the rest much stiffer get applied -- sooner or later. I use to be a major offender, but one day I got pulled up real short by one of my most valued staff. Today, those using profanity consistently around me soon find themselves working elsewhere, for someone else. I don't need the irritation and in today's corporate environment, there is no need to put hard earned assets at risk by encouraging such behavior. Otis Wright Doug Franklin wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:33:36 -0500, T Rittenhouse wrote: > > > The TI sat up half the night with a dictionary reading it. > > Sometimes ones assumptions are incorrect. > > I'm one of those people. Language, including offensive language, is > not just a communication medium. It can also be a tool, ruse, > subterfuge, diversion, or lots of other things. > > My mother used to work with a lawyer. This fellow was from deep in the > hinterlands of Mississippi. He spoke with an Southern country accent > that most people just wouldn't believe unless they heard it. > > In court, he dressed in twenty-five year old polyester double-knit > suits with white ties and white patent leather shoes. Outside court it > was bib overalls and grimy white t-shirts. > > He knew more of the polysyllabic words than 98% of the population, and > _all_ of the four-letter kind. He graduated second in his Harvard Law > class. He had a 100% success rate in court over a forty year career. > > TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: Layers in Photoshop
I tend to agree. I moved to to Photoshop late last year after using PD and PE for a few years. The added horsepower has me to reduces my overall costs and generally improve the overall quality of the photos I use in my work. I've found the learning exercise to be interesting and helpful in other applications that I become involved with from time to time. Otis Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I don't agree. Photoshop is as complicated or uncomplicated as you make it. > There are many features that you may not use and may never use but once you > start exploring there is no limit to the creativity it offers. I regularly > read through my manual, not because I have to but because I want to pick up > more information. I went to the library yesterday and picked up a number of > books on photoshop that are likely easier to understand than the manual and > full of creative ideas. I do have photodeluxe on my computer as well and use > it once in a while for simple things but it often gets in the way even when > using it in the advanced mode. > If you have photoshop, it is certainly worth learning... I consider it my > best photographic tool. > Vic > In a message dated 1/10/03 11:21:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >I snipped a bit from Keith's post but I sure agree with his sentiments. > > > >Even Photoshop LE is sufficiently more complex and more of a RAM hog than > >what I use now which is Photo Deluxe 4.0 - which it seems is just a paired > >down more > >user friendly version that appear to follow the same rules as the full > >blown > >versions. Ive been > >able to just tinker with it for the most part to get it to work for me. > > I've never > >been good at reading tech manuals and, heaven forfend, any type of Video > >Professor > >or audio tape would drive me nuts. I've been able to learn stuff about > >it from the > >discussions here about Photoshop, too. Photodeluxe 4.0 and Photoshop LE > >were > >included with my Epson 1640 SU Photo scanner - That is, free. the best > >of all > >possible reason for using it :) > > > >annsan the thrifty > >
Re: If You had to pick one lens . . .
x marks the spot --always.. Otis Wright Keith Whaley wrote: > Pray tell, what IS "SMCT 2x - 3x mm glass?" > What does "x" stand for? > > keith whaley > > "Otis Wright, Jr." wrote: > > > > Have you considered a wider lens. Everyone has different needs, but for 30 > > years of casual family and travel photography, I used SMCT 2x - 3x mm glass > > 80 to 90 percent of the time. > > > > Just one amateurs thoughts. > > > > Otis > > > > Michael Cross wrote: > > > > > I am starting out here and looking to purchase (at least for now) one > > > prime lens. My primary photographic interest is candids and casual > > > portraits of my kids in both individual and small group shots. I am > > > looking at a prime lens because I would like to do available light and > > > shallow DOF shots and the quality (especially bokeh) is important to me. > > > > > > So I have narrowed it down to three Pentax lenses: > > > > > >1. FA 50mm f/1.4 > > >2. FA 77mm f/1.8 > > >3. FA 85mm f/1.4 > > > > > > Which lens would you choose? Any others I should consider? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Michael Cross > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MZ-S battery mystery Solved
Unless you test under load, meter may not show the problem Been down this frustrating road a few too many times. Just had a wild time with a "new" battery in a wireless mouse that tested w/o load just fine. All sorts of extra clicks -- so to speak. Otis CBWaters wrote: > You know, to avoid this in the future, you could break out your trusty > multi-meter ( note: NOT a light meter :) and test the battery for correct > voltage. > Cory Waters > > - Original Message - > From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:06 AM > Subject: MZ-S battery mystery Solved > > > OK, so I went to yet a third Store and purchased > > two wholesome new batteries and it works fine. I had > > purchased 2 consecutive sets of dud batteries... > > > > I once had a car with a faulty spark plug, so I replaced > > all the plugs, but it was still mis-firing, it turned out > > that one of the new plugs I had installed was faulty also. > > This faulty plug I had installed into the same cylinder as > > the one that was dead. > > > > So, whatever little quirk of fate that does these sorts of > > things has come full circle to manifest itself as my MZ-S > > batteries. > > > > I should have known it was not the quality of the MZ-S that > > was at fault. > > > > > > Kind regards > > Kevin > > > > -- > > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > > See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > Kevin Waterson > > Byron Bay, Australia > >
Re: Brads cable release in stock
Many thanks from those who suffer in silence. Otis David Brooks wrote: > Hi Brad and any other PDML er who needs this cable. > I just recieved an email from the parts guy at Pentax > Canada in Mississauga and the cable is in stock at > this location and orders can be placed with him. > Minusha Alam > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Dave Brooks > > Pentax User > Stouffville Ontario Canada > http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ > http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses > Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: law and image
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Folks: > > Snip> > So long as the original is available, Snip And would someone like to define "original"? I'm always very careful about how much weight I give an "original." A lot of things can happen between the object of interest and the film/sensor. Or, am I missing something here? Otis Wright > > > Paul G. > Milwaukee, Wi. > > >> >> I agree totally...well said - particularly the part >> about digitally creating a film-based image. Also, >> beyond photography, the world in general will be >> interesting when everything can be regenerated or >> simulated to appear as indistinguishable from an >> original and nothing can adjudicate reality. >> >> --- Steve Desjardins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > As I mentioned elsewhere, I think this distinction >> > will become even more >> > blurred when it becomes easier to create a >> > film-based image from a >> > digital one. as I understand it, even now you need >> > someone to swear >> > that the photo was not manipulated, which diminishes >> > its value as >> > something closely tied to reality. Even CCTV >> > images are ultimately >> > going to depend on someone vouching for their >> > authenticity. >
Re: law and image
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks: Snip> So long as the original is available, Snip And would someone like to define "original"? I'm always very careful about how much weight I give an "original." A lot of things can happen between the object of interest and the film/sensor. Or, am I missing something here? Otis Wright Paul G. Milwaukee, Wi. I agree totally...well said - particularly the part about digitally creating a film-based image. Also, beyond photography, the world in general will be interesting when everything can be regenerated or simulated to appear as indistinguishable from an original and nothing can adjudicate reality. --- Steve Desjardins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I mentioned elsewhere, I think this distinction > will become even more > blurred when it becomes easier to create a > film-based image from a > digital one. as I understand it, even now you need > someone to swear > that the photo was not manipulated, which diminishes > its value as > something closely tied to reality. Even CCTV > images are ultimately > going to depend on someone vouching for their > authenticity.
Re: Want to play?
Well, there goes the entertainment. Otis Glen O'Neal wrote: > I have stayed completely quiet on this until now. But I feel compelled to > speak up. > > Look This should have all stopped with Brad's apology. We all know > that at one time or another we have probably said something that was out of > line. Brad, I did not like what you said. But I accepted your apology > believing that it was sincere and that was it. In the future let's let our > little slipups be dropped with a timely and sincere apology and be done with > it. > > Brad, Anthony, Bob and all the others that are still beating up this dead > horse. WE DON'T CARE. Take it offline, call each other, send telegrams or > carrier pigeons, whatever. But please leave all this clutter off the PDML. > We are all about photography and Pentax, not personal issues that cause > dissention and only serve the needs of those who are indulging themselves. > I, unlike some others read, almost every email so as not to miss some tidbit > of valuable information that might help make me a better photographer or > more knowledgeable about Pentax equipment. We shouldn't have to take our > valuable time to build filters and sort through email. Please just drop this > thread and let's get on with discussing photography. > > I have really enjoyed the PDML having just got back into it again after a > short hiatus and find it valuable to a budding semi-pro like myself. My > questions are answered thoughtfully and politely and my opinions are valued. > This is how things should be in my humble opinion. > > Glen O'Neal > > -Original Message- > From: Bob Blakely [mailto:Bob@;Blakely.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:50 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Want to play? > > Anthony, > > Your basically a good guy, but you've been darned abrasive to me before to. > > Regards, > Bob... > --- > "Beer is proof that God loves us > and wants us to be happy" >- Benjamin Franklin > > From: "Anthony Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Most of this exchange has been off-list. Thanks to William Robb it has > > returned. Please forward complaints to "William Robb" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > --- > > > > Who's insulting whom now? > > > > FYI Accesscomm did inform me that they would pursue my complaint if our > list > > administrator forwarded the complaint (because the exchange originated > from > > list chat). I'm not gonna put that on Doug Brewer, because he's too busy > > with technical aspects of the list, and because it would conflict with his > > loyalties, ie. I can't expect that he would back me against you because of > > his hands off approach to list content, and because he doesn't know me > from > > Adam. OTOH, perhaps I should take it up with Doug. I'm being given > plenty > > of motive, and the evidence to make an irrefutable case. Just keep > pushing > > me, I'll be saving your messages, they make such good evidence. Not very > > clever of you. > > > > If anyone cares to know what the situation is just back up to William's > > message of Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:56:39-0600 (extracted from the header). At > > any rate it's the message that ends, > > "I liked this list a lot more when it was about film and photography. I > > thought I had useful stuff to contribute back then." > > > > My responses occured about 9 hours afterwards, You the reader can judge > how > > awful they were (poor wounded William) ;-) > > > > 14 hours later I opened an email in my Inbox (not my PDML folder) to be > met > > with "%#&* you". > > > > The rest is history. It would be best if it stayed history. I did not > name > > William in the last message, and as so many of the list claim not to be > > interested in these matters that leaves only a few who know or care to > whom > > I referred. At least until William responded. > > > > Regards, > > Anthony Farr > > > > Forwarded message from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> follows > > -- > > Hi Anthony, > > > > I had talked to our internet administration group about this, just to see > > where > > our policy is. You are correct in assuming that we do have a policy > against > > this kind of behaviour. But, according to what I have been told, I am to > > tell > > you to contact the administrator of the mailing list, and you are to > > pressure > > them to contact our abuse department through [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I hope > > that > > this does not stop you from continuing your efforts, but as I'm sure you > > understand, there is a procedure for everything and everyone, and if it is > > followed to the "T", things happen. > > > > Iann > > -- > > Internet Support Representative > > Access Communications Co-operative Limited. > > 2250 Park Street, Regina, SK S4N 7K7 > > Phone: 306.565.5357, Fax: 306.565.5395 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - O
Re: Paal Comes Through Again
I'll second this comment... In the absence of a continuos flow of product or product flow from Pentax, a stream of informal clues add an important demension to the list---IMHO. Otis Bruce Dayton wrote: > I, for one, am glad that Pål passes on what he hears/finds. Whether > they materialize or not, if gives me something to look into and check > out that I might otherwise totally miss. > > A big thanks from me! > > Bruce > > Thursday, October 17, 2002, 8:50:02 AM, you wrote: > > PJ> Dave wrote: > > >> I like what I've heard - but as I'm with Bruce on this one. It's been > >> touted by us here and on that JIJ website and on DCresource but it's still > >> rumor until Pentax makes it "official" (at which time of course that will > >> confirm or renounce Paal's ability at prognostication) :) > > PJ> I don't find this discussion very interesting. I just like to point out that I'm >not prognosticating anything but simply pass on information. If this information is >correct or incorrect it's not > PJ> really up to me. The information is there and everyone is free to do whatever >they want with it. > > PJ> Pål
Re: List News
Thank you. Very much appreciated on all fronts. Otis Wright Doug Brewer wrote: > Hi troops, > > Bob asked for a description of what happened to the list, so here's a brief > synopsis: > > It broke. > > The longer story is like this: The digest mode went wonky (for reasons that > remain unclear to me), so I made an adjustment to fix it, only I fixed the > wrong thing, which put everyone on the digest mode, and this gave birth to > a huge loop problem which then caused the whole thing to come tumbling down > around me. > > After attempting to fix it one piece at a time, which only served to turn > it into an enormous house of cards again, I did what any masochist would > do; I nuked it and started all over. Once I had it up and running, the > software was misinterpreting subscribe requests and subscribing itself > instead of the requested subscribe address, which took me a while to track > down.I'm pretty sure I have that corrected. > > It is still a little wobbly, but over the last few days I've been getting > nearer to a stable set-up. I think now I have the reply-to setting under > control and have just added a couple of scripts to reject excessive > quoting, attachments, HTML/MIME and a couple other things. > > Next up on the agenda is to address the digest format and again implement > the no-mail option, for those of you concerned about those. > > I apologize for the inconvenience of all this, and hope the new set-up will > again act in the efficient and invisible manner for which it is designed. > > Thanks, > > Doug "List Guy" Brewer > we now return you to your regularly scheduled pissing contest. Anybody took > any photos lately?
Re: List news (don't read this, Mr Brewer)
I'm in... Otis Wright mike wilson wrote: > Oh well, I did warn you. > > Any of our members in the good old US of A wish to co-ordinate > donations for a present for our list guy? I think on (at least) > this occasion he has done enough for us to put our hands in our > pockets. > > mike
Re: Reality checks Part 1
I'm sure that the product/program staff dial in at least when they need a laugh. Otis Rob Studdert wrote: > On 13 Oct 2002 at 19:36, Brad Dobo wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > It seems that those who replied to my email only argued one point. That Big > > Brother is watching. > > I don't know that BB is watching but Pentax used to watch the list, to the > point where it become too uncomfortable for them to host. No why it should be > different here to several other lists that I have participated in I don't know > however just because no one appears to be responding as a Pentax representative > doesn't mean that they aren't watching. Stranger things have happened (and have > in the past, pre-Dobo) > > Cheers, > > Rob Studdert > HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA > Tel +61-2-9554-4110 > UTC(GMT) +10 Hours > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Re: A must read! (WAS Re: Digital-only labs)
And sometimes it appears that signal noise created by the power aberrations activates the write sequence in the controller just long enough to overwrite critical data. See this a lot on platters we have analyzed for recovery. Especially where there are multiple on off cycles. Otis Feroze Kistan wrote: > They can when the head unit bounces and hits the platter when the surge > cause the tip to jump higher than normal > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 1:18 AM > Subject: Re: A must read! (WAS Re: Digital-only labs) > > The disc platters themselves are magnetic metal and probably > not capable of being damaged by a power surge.
Re: Pentax at Photokina
Not withstanding the fact that the everything better claim doesn't sell very well, it has been my experience that digital has not reduced employment --- and almost always in the short to medium term increase staffing. I seldom find in administrative areas that there are any staff reductions achieved, mostly net increases. Some times the time lost dealing with losses due to new ability to play rather than work can be quite frustrating and very difficult to deal with. But these are just my observations. Would be interested in reading any publications you might have that support your theory. Otis Wright Alan Chan wrote: > > Digital makes EVERYTHING better! > > I am native I know. But digital does not make things better. Just look at > the unemployment rate all over the world due to computing automation. As far > as I can see, computers are here to take over our jobs. :( > > regards, > Alan Chan
Re: OT - Lost Negative
Where I left them right after I give up looking for them and start some other project :-). frank theriault wrote: > RRRGGHH!! > > Last week I got an enlargement done on a piece of crap photo that I took > back in the spring. Someone actually liked it (I didn't), and asked me > to do a 5x7 for them, which I did. Now I've gone and lost it. > Unfortunately the envelope with the print in it also has the negs for > that roll in it. > > I've been ripping my apartment apart for two hours now looking for it (I > only live in a bachelor, for gawd's sake!). > > So my question is: when you guys lose negatives, where do you usually > find them? > > thanks, > frank > > -- > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The > pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert > Oppenheimer
