Are the insiders the ones that coded Struts out the door or the ones that
are bringing new code to the table? If you meant the ones that coded Struts
out the door then if they refuse to do anything about lessons learned, I
would not listen to them. I would listen to the outsiders who told them
th
Al,
Not everyone who posts on the lists are insiders.
If you want some insider info, go to the actual people doing the work,
like Don Brown.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-dev&m=114369603519450&w=2
Hubert
On 3/30/06, Al Eridani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/29/06, Craig McClanahan <
On 3/29/06, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You need to pay attention to the credibility of who is doing the
> "describing" that you are referring to.
I just go by what the insiders have published here. If the insiders have
no credibility, let's turn off the lights and go home.
Whe
The hullabaloo, Larry, is about the stability of the platform with a bunch
of committers who don't appear to be up to the job and who are not willing
to look at what went wrong. The stability of a platform like Struts is a
big deal. This is a time to decide to go with or to get off the Struts
wag
On 3/29/06, Al Eridani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That shows they are not stupid. They stand to gain a lot when their
> little-known framework is re-branded as Struts.
>
> Just go to craigslist, DICE or other job sites, search for Struts and
> WebWork and compare the resulting numbers. That is th
On 3/29/06, Al Eridani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 3/29/06, Joe Germuska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Also note that the WebWork team is supporting this merger process.
>
> The way it has been described here it looks to me more like a takeover
> than a merger.
You need to pay attention
On 3/29/06, Joe Germuska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also note that the WebWork team is supporting this merger process.
The way it has been described here it looks to me more like a takeover
than a merger.
> As far as I know, none of them have vigorously objected, nor sworn to
> carry on WebWor
m: Joe Germuska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: user@struts.apache.org
>Subject: Open Source Motivations (Re: I Apologize)
>
>At 5:30 PM +0200 3/29/06, Jonathan Revusky wrote:
>>It has some clear implications too. No matter how you shake it, the
>
At 7:09 PM +0200 3/29/06, Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Joe Germuska wrote:
At 5:30 PM +0200 3/29/06, Jonathan Revusky wrote:
It has some clear implications too. No matter how you shake it,
the two things were technical *competitors*. Normally, the Struts
people should be about as happy to say that
Joe Germuska wrote:
At 5:30 PM +0200 3/29/06, Jonathan Revusky wrote:
It has some clear implications too. No matter how you shake it, the
two things were technical *competitors*. Normally, the Struts people
should be about as happy to say that Webwork is better as to have a
tooth pulled. So i
At 5:30 PM +0200 3/29/06, Jonathan Revusky wrote:
It has some clear implications too. No matter how you shake it, the
two things were technical *competitors*. Normally, the Struts people
should be about as happy to say that Webwork is better as to have a
tooth pulled. So if they say it...
Her
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> [...] but don't tell other people what to do.
Dave
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Larry Meadors wrote:
What I am saying is that people need to put up or shut up.
Larry, I already refuted this "complex" argument of yours in my post
entitled "Debate and Free Speech 101".
I pointed out that criticizing U.S. policy in Iraq does not obligate the
person criticizing to go to Ir
Michael Jouravlev wrote:
On 3/27/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, your taste is questionable. You guys think that Struts 1.x is good
code. The Struts developers don't even think that.
Struts 1.x sucks compared to WebWork 2, I think everybody got it.
Actually, you are not
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What I am saying is that people need to put up or shut up.
I
What I am saying is that people need to put up or shut up.
I am sorry if that complex logic evaded you.
Perhaps you need to take the meds that those nice people in white
suits gave you.
:-)
Larry
On 3/28/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dreary Morals, you are simply incoherent. D
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Bart Busschots wrote:
What IS the question? Does anyone actually KNOW anymore?
Oh, people know what the question is. It's just that apparently the
question is taboo, and rather than answer it, they engage in personal
attacks. The question is:
"Why did Struts deve
I have been on this list since '00 and this is the fastest they have
been releasing.
Thanks for the fast pace devs. (I do not mean to be sarcastic, I do
think the pace is quite fast).
.V
"Why did Struts development stagnate?"
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Karsten Krieg wrote:
Karsten, for a response to your points below, I direct you to my
response to Bart Busschots in this same thread. You may consider that
this is also response to you.
Jonathan Revusky
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lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/
Guys,
Struts is being us
Henri Yandell wrote:
On 3/28/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
However, I'm also certain that escalating these conversations gets us
nowhere. The only positive solution I know of is to try to point the
conversation towards constructive issues and not destructive. It's not
to reta
Bart Busschots wrote:
What IS the question? Does anyone actually KNOW anymore?
Oh, people know what the question is. It's just that apparently the
question is taboo, and rather than answer it, they engage in personal
attacks. The question is:
"Why did Struts development stagnate?"
You see,
What IS the question? Does anyone actually KNOW anymore?
All I know is that the signal to noise ratio on this list has gone
totally belly up. There is now more noise than signal. I am a struts
user and I find that this list has become a pure annoyance of late
rather than being helpful like it
Guys,
Struts is being used, even 1.x. People are asking questions about their
problems and do's and don'ts. They (at least including me) don't want to
see and hear you all acting like some pubertal teenagers fighting about
whatever.
Stop shouting at each other, take this discussion to the develop
Does WebWork2/SAF2 *require* Java5?
I know Stripes does, but it's not obvious anywhere on the webwork home page
about it's JDK/JRE requirements. It does say it fully supports Java5
annotations, but that doesn't preclude support for older JDKs.
On 3/29/06, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro
Mahaul Jive Velcro,
You are not even close to anything that was actually discussed. If you are
careful hanging around these straw men you are going to get one of those
itches the toadies on this list talk about scratching. Why don't you just
answer the question? Do you have an answer? Why go d
Good god, this seems to be a disease that is catching. Why don't YOU answer
the question, then, Bart? It is amazing to watch someone kiss ass and be
arrogant at the same time.
On 3/28/06, Bart Busschots <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Larry Meadors wrote:
>
> >LOL, Jon, do you read your own posts
A breath of fresh air. Thank you, Henri.
On 3/28/06, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 3/28/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Henri Yandell wrote:
> > > Not a very impressive joke. This was a major breach of manners 10
> > > years ago, and it still is today.
> > >
> >
>
People are supposed to stop trying to get a decent or any answer to a real
question because the Struts committers and their toadies turn it into a
flame war? I see Jonathan as fairly calm under the circumstances and the
more he asks people to answer the question the goofier they become. But,
ther
Dear Veto Wanted,
Would you care to add anything of substance? I have decided, until you
prove otherwise, that you simply are incapable of adult conversation.
On 3/28/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Larry Meadors wrote:
> > LOL, Jon, do you read your own posts?
> >
>
> Who has
Dreary Morals, you are simply incoherent. Do you recognize at all that your
points have no logic or sense to them? Don't you care if they are logical?
On 3/28/06, Larry Meadors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> LOL, Jon, do you read your own posts?
>
> On 3/28/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECT
On 3/27/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, your taste is questionable. You guys think that Struts 1.x is good
> code. The Struts developers don't even think that.
Struts 1.x sucks compared to WebWork 2, I think everybody got it.
Actually, you are not the first who is saying th
Larry Meadors wrote:
LOL, Jon, do you read your own posts?
On 3/28/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Do keep your eye on the ball, Paul. These people have had every chance
to respond to my points via legitimate debate and they chose not to.
OK, so what you are saying he
On 3/28/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Henri Yandell wrote:
> > On 3/28/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>Henri Yandell wrote:
> >>
> >>>Not a very impressive joke. This was a major breach of manners 10
> >>>years ago, and it still is today.
> >>>
> >>
> >>I thou
Henri Yandell wrote:
On 3/28/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Henri Yandell wrote:
Not a very impressive joke. This was a major breach of manners 10
years ago, and it still is today.
I thought they were funny 10 years ago, too, especially when it was
deliberately, and obviously,
Henri Yandell wrote:
> However, I'm also certain that escalating these conversations gets us
> nowhere. The only positive solution I know of is to try to point the
> conversation towards constructive issues and not destructive. It's not
> to retaliate with much the same approach.
>
> That's just a
On 3/28/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Henri Yandell wrote:
> > Not a very impressive joke. This was a major breach of manners 10
> > years ago, and it still is today.
> >
>
> I thought they were funny 10 years ago, too, especially when it was
> deliberately, and obviously, a joke.
I
Henri Yandell wrote:
> Not a very impressive joke. This was a major breach of manners 10
> years ago, and it still is today.
>
I thought they were funny 10 years ago, too, especially when it was
deliberately, and obviously, a joke.
Heck, I even thought they were funny 20 years ago, and back th
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
>> As a side note, back when he was spraying on the Velocity list he was
>> the subject of my first Markov chaining program.
> What Markov chaining program? What are you talking about?
Uh... I'm talking about the first time I wrote a Markov chaining
program, just like I sai
Folks,
Perhaps its time to table all the "I apologize", "has struts reached its
limits", "are the rules for becoming a committer fair" etc threads to
bed for while. I honestly suspect most of you have reached the point
where you're yelling at each other not talking to each other, so perhaps
l
Members of list:
troll >> /dev/null
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trolls
On 3/27/06, Rick Reumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lighten up. I wrote it. It was supposed to be joke to bring levity to an
> incredibly annoying situation. If I wrote actually trying to be you and
> truly impersonate you, that would be a different matter. If I wanted to
> really spoof being you
Dave Newton wrote:
List members. Here I am sorry for the off-topic. Dave Newton seems to be
insinuating something -- though it's not 100% clear what.
Larry Meadors wrote:
LOL, Jon, do you read your own posts?
Who has the time?
As a side note, back when he was spraying on the Velocity
Larry Meadors wrote:
> LOL, Jon, do you read your own posts?
>
Who has the time?
As a side note, back when he was spraying on the Velocity list he was
the subject of my first Markov chaining program.
Tragically for Jonathon, but amazingly for Markov chaining, I often
couldn't distinguish betw
LOL, Jon, do you read your own posts?
On 3/28/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do keep your eye on the ball, Paul. These people have had every chance
> to respond to my points via legitimate debate and they chose not to.
OK, so what you are saying here is that "these people" coul
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> Don't do it again, Rick.
Or else!
Dave
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Paul Benedict wrote:
Sorry Jonathan this is happening to you. It's really inappropriate
what was done. If somebody doesn't like you or your opinions, this
isn't a way to treat another person regardless, if this is really a spoof.
But you did come down hard on some people and I think, while it i
Quinn Stone wrote:
Larry Meadors, Rick Reumann, recently departed Jester Moose. Thank you.
What are you thanking them for? Let's rewind a sec here. James Mitchell
posted a private message to this list that I wrote several days ago when
I was angry. He posted the private message in an attempt
Quinn Stone a écrit :
>
>I think maybe we should have for users, for developers, and a new
> for those that want to have pissing contests. Speaking of saturation...
>
>Q
>
>
>
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That is a great idea to have new group.
All members provide your vote.
Kind regards,
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Hey Jonathan, relax a bit. Come chill out with us tomorrow in
#FunkyCodeMonkey on irc.darkmyst.org You can complain about struts in real
time and talk up MagicMarker or whatever:) Anyone else is welcome to join as
well. It's a good time and makes the day a bit more bearable when your
stressed at
Brandon Goodin wrote:
On 3/27/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Brandon Goodin wrote:
Okay,
I am not a regular reader of the struts mail that roles across my
inbox. But, this juicy tidbit caught my attention. Jonathan, I'd just
like to say that you took a bold step accusing som
Rick Reumann wrote:
Lighten up. I wrote it. It was supposed to be joke to bring levity to an
incredibly annoying situation. If I wrote actually trying to be you and
truly impersonate you, that would be a different matter. If I wanted to
really spoof being you I wouldn't have made it such an obvio
On 3/27/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brandon Goodin wrote:
> > Okay,
> >
> > I am not a regular reader of the struts mail that roles across my
> > inbox. But, this juicy tidbit caught my attention. Jonathan, I'd just
> > like to say that you took a bold step accusing someone of
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> Well, there is the minor detail that the spoof really wasn't very
> funny. Did you think it was funny?
BANG thump ...
that was the sound of the Court Jester shooting himself ...
Dead Moose
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On 3/27/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brandon Goodin wrote:
> > I'd also like to point out that you failed miserably. Larry is a
> > good friend of mine and he would have no problem debating with you.
>
> You may actually believe this, but probably nobody else here does.
Hahaha
Brandon Goodin wrote:
Okay,
I am not a regular reader of the struts mail that roles across my
inbox. But, this juicy tidbit caught my attention. Jonathan, I'd just
like to say that you took a bold step accusing someone of spoofing
you.
I made an honest mistake. I really was sure it was him. So
Ouch.
On 3/27/06, Rick Reumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually that's pretty funny. That shows how weak our Tampa JUG is:) Larry
> speaks one time at it, and he becomes famous.
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On 3/27/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Larry Meadors wrote:
> So I though it just had to be you especially given the idiotic "butt-monkey"
> post.
>
> It was an honest mistake. Your behavior has been deplorable, of course,
> but you didn't do this. :-)
Idiotic?! That was *FUNNY
Actually that's pretty funny. That shows how weak our Tampa JUG is:) Larry
speaks one time at it, and he becomes famous.
On 3/27/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Larry Meadors wrote:
> > Haha, thanks for the insults and vote of no confidence, but you are
> > barking up the wrong
Well, true, who can blame him, I mean...I am kinda dead sexy with the
"March in Montana" pallor.
Larry
On 3/27/06, Rick Reumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/27/06, Larry Meadors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Way to go Rick, you butt-monkey - Jonathan jumped all over ME!
>
>
> It must be t
Larry Meadors wrote:
Haha, thanks for the insults and vote of no confidence, but you are
barking up the wrong tree...I mean, shoot, the words "butt-monkey" are
*nowhere* in that original email.
Okay, I retract that. The google search "Larry Measors struts" the first
hit is www.tampajug.org
h
... and as I said in the other thread ... you *lucky bast%rds!*, we
floor level developers can't get away with such behavoiur. you must
have *such* income security! do you sell Amway on the side or something?
Larry Meadors wrote:
>Way to go Rick, you butt-monkey - Jonathan jumped all over ME!
>
On 3/27/06, Larry Meadors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Way to go Rick, you butt-monkey - Jonathan jumped all over ME!
It must be that nice Montana tan that you have.
--
Rick
Way to go Rick, you butt-monkey - Jonathan jumped all over ME!
Larry
PS:
To add insult to injury, you forgot the "a" there - "It was supposed
to be *a* joke"...so make that "Way to go Rick, you illiterate
butt-monkey".
On 3/27/06, Rick Reumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lighten up. I wrote i
Lighten up. I wrote it. It was supposed to be joke to bring levity to an
incredibly annoying situation. If I wrote actually trying to be you and
truly impersonate you, that would be a different matter. If I wanted to
really spoof being you I wouldn't have made it such an obvious joke. I would
have
Haha, thanks for the insults and vote of no confidence, but you are
barking up the wrong tree...I mean, shoot, the words "butt-monkey" are
*nowhere* in that original email.
BTW, I do not live in Florida, and as a point of honor try to avoid
having battles of wits with unarmed opponents.
Larry
O
Okay,
I am not a regular reader of the struts mail that roles across my
inbox. But, this juicy tidbit caught my attention. Jonathan, I'd just
like to say that you took a bold step accusing someone of spoofing
you. I'd also like to point out that you failed miserably. Larry is a
good friend of mine
Sorry Jonathan this is happening to you. It's really inappropriate
what was done. If somebody doesn't like you or your opinions, this
isn't a way to treat another person regardless, if this is really a spoof.
But you did come down hard on some people and I think, while it is
no excuse to the spo
Larry Meadors wrote:
Hi, Larry. How is the weather in Tampa Bay, today?
I don't know exactly where your talents lie, but you're not very good at
identity spoofing.
Don't do this any more. This has got to be abuse of the apache.org
systems (and all the ones in between) writing posts and signi
In case people don't realize this immediately, I didn't write this.
jonathan revusky wrote:
I just wanted to apologize to everyone for my arrogant behavior recently.
I do understand that Struts isn't so bad. Times have been tough for me
lately and I think I acted out on this list because of i
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