RE: (313) Detroit Techno Mix (1988-92)
I loved this mix - thanks DTM! Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Kowalsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 August 2008 23:27 To: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno Mix (1988-92) This is funny... I love States Of Mind's Elements Of Tone. It is the J's A Mix version the one i love, wich i think is the version. But in every mixtape i see this tune pops up, it is always Hawtin's mix. Well, what a useless piece of mail i sent, huh? :) Kw On Jul 30, 2008, at 4:35 PM, Wes Prince wrote: Hi all, This mix looks well worth checking...can't beat the track list. http://www.discogs.com/groups/topic/168251 1. Reel By Real- Aftermath (Album Version) 10 Records 1990 2. Rhythim Is Rhythim- Feel Surreal (Subconscious Mix) Transmat 1988 3. R-Tyme- R-Theme (Mayday Mix) Transmat 1989 4. Rhythim Is Rhythim- Beyond The Dance (Bizarro Mix) Transmat 1988 5. Mayday- Freestyle (Bongo Mix) Pheerce City 1988 6. Shakir- Sequence 10 (10 Records 1988) 7. Juan- Techno Music (10 Records 1988) 8. States Of Mind- Elements Of Tone (Richie's Dream Mix) Plus 8 Records 1990 9. We R Who We R- Derivative (Kirk Smith Techno Mix) 2020 Records 1990 10. Mayday- Wiggin' (Master Reese Mix) Pheerce Citi 1988 11. Shake- Sonar 123 (Interface Records 1990) 12. Reese- Inside Out (Fragile Records 1991) 13. Cybersonik- Technarchy (Plus 8 Records 1990) 14. States Of Mind- Destiny (Champion Records 1991) 15. Cybersonik- Cabaret 7 (Champion Records 1991) 16. F.U.S.E.- Refused (Champion Records 1991) 17. BFC- Evolution (Fragile Records 1990) 18. Cybersonik- Carousel (Plus 8 Records 1990) 19. Reese And Santonio- Groovin' Without A Doubt (Re-Mix) Kool Kat Records 1988 20. Kevin Saunderson- The Groove That Won't Stop (Kool Kat Records 1988) 21. Octave One- I Believe (Magic Juan Mix) Transmat 1990 22. Octave One- Nicolette (430 West 1991) 23. States Of Mind- Audio Q-5a (The Zone Out Mix) Plus 8 Records 1990 24. Reese- Just Want Another Chance (Mix 3) Incognito Records 1988 25. Yennek- Serena X (Inner Zone Mix) Buzz Records 1992 26. Kenny Larkin- Manik Man (Champion Records 1991) 27. World 2 World- Greater Than Yourself (Underground Resistance 1992) Cheers, Wes -- http://www.myspace.com/westonprince # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) Detroit Techno Mix (1988-92)
This is funny... I love States Of Mind's Elements Of Tone. It is the J's A Mix version the one i love, wich i think is the version. But in every mixtape i see this tune pops up, it is always Hawtin's mix. Well, what a useless piece of mail i sent, huh? :) Kw On Jul 30, 2008, at 4:35 PM, Wes Prince wrote: Hi all, This mix looks well worth checking...can't beat the track list. http://www.discogs.com/groups/topic/168251 1. Reel By Real- Aftermath (Album Version) 10 Records 1990 2. Rhythim Is Rhythim- Feel Surreal (Subconscious Mix) Transmat 1988 3. R-Tyme- R-Theme (Mayday Mix) Transmat 1989 4. Rhythim Is Rhythim- Beyond The Dance (Bizarro Mix) Transmat 1988 5. Mayday- Freestyle (Bongo Mix) Pheerce City 1988 6. Shakir- Sequence 10 (10 Records 1988) 7. Juan- Techno Music (10 Records 1988) 8. States Of Mind- Elements Of Tone (Richie's Dream Mix) Plus 8 Records 1990 9. We R Who We R- Derivative (Kirk Smith Techno Mix) 2020 Records 1990 10. Mayday- Wiggin' (Master Reese Mix) Pheerce Citi 1988 11. Shake- Sonar 123 (Interface Records 1990) 12. Reese- Inside Out (Fragile Records 1991) 13. Cybersonik- Technarchy (Plus 8 Records 1990) 14. States Of Mind- Destiny (Champion Records 1991) 15. Cybersonik- Cabaret 7 (Champion Records 1991) 16. F.U.S.E.- Refused (Champion Records 1991) 17. BFC- Evolution (Fragile Records 1990) 18. Cybersonik- Carousel (Plus 8 Records 1990) 19. Reese And Santonio- Groovin' Without A Doubt (Re-Mix) Kool Kat Records 1988 20. Kevin Saunderson- The Groove That Won't Stop (Kool Kat Records 1988) 21. Octave One- I Believe (Magic Juan Mix) Transmat 1990 22. Octave One- Nicolette (430 West 1991) 23. States Of Mind- Audio Q-5a (The Zone Out Mix) Plus 8 Records 1990 24. Reese- Just Want Another Chance (Mix 3) Incognito Records 1988 25. Yennek- Serena X (Inner Zone Mix) Buzz Records 1992 26. Kenny Larkin- Manik Man (Champion Records 1991) 27. World 2 World- Greater Than Yourself (Underground Resistance 1992) Cheers, Wes -- http://www.myspace.com/westonprince
Re: (313) Detroit Techno Mix (1988-92)
word up. On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Wes Prince [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, This mix looks well worth checking...can't beat the track list. http://www.discogs.com/groups/topic/168251 1. Reel By Real- Aftermath (Album Version) 10 Records 1990 2. Rhythim Is Rhythim- Feel Surreal (Subconscious Mix) Transmat 1988 3. R-Tyme- R-Theme (Mayday Mix) Transmat 1989 4. Rhythim Is Rhythim- Beyond The Dance (Bizarro Mix) Transmat 1988 5. Mayday- Freestyle (Bongo Mix) Pheerce City 1988 6. Shakir- Sequence 10 (10 Records 1988) 7. Juan- Techno Music (10 Records 1988) 8. States Of Mind- Elements Of Tone (Richie's Dream Mix) Plus 8 Records 1990 9. We R Who We R- Derivative (Kirk Smith Techno Mix) 2020 Records 1990 10. Mayday- Wiggin' (Master Reese Mix) Pheerce Citi 1988 11. Shake- Sonar 123 (Interface Records 1990) 12. Reese- Inside Out (Fragile Records 1991) 13. Cybersonik- Technarchy (Plus 8 Records 1990) 14. States Of Mind- Destiny (Champion Records 1991) 15. Cybersonik- Cabaret 7 (Champion Records 1991) 16. F.U.S.E.- Refused (Champion Records 1991) 17. BFC- Evolution (Fragile Records 1990) 18. Cybersonik- Carousel (Plus 8 Records 1990) 19. Reese And Santonio- Groovin' Without A Doubt (Re-Mix) Kool Kat Records 1988 20. Kevin Saunderson- The Groove That Won't Stop (Kool Kat Records 1988) 21. Octave One- I Believe (Magic Juan Mix) Transmat 1990 22. Octave One- Nicolette (430 West 1991) 23. States Of Mind- Audio Q-5a (The Zone Out Mix) Plus 8 Records 1990 24. Reese- Just Want Another Chance (Mix 3) Incognito Records 1988 25. Yennek- Serena X (Inner Zone Mix) Buzz Records 1992 26. Kenny Larkin- Manik Man (Champion Records 1991) 27. World 2 World- Greater Than Yourself (Underground Resistance 1992) Cheers, Wes -- http://www.myspace.com/westonprince -- --- Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.planerecordings.com New York, NY
RE: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
I only got 16/20 on that one (I mean the Manchester one, I didn't even try the Detroit one, it looked well 'ard). Mind that's better than you as it looks from the link like you got 0 (just a joke to point out the link pointed at answers not question - I didn't peek, honest). There wasn't one for Appleby or Cumbria surprisingly. -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2007 09:54 try this one... http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz45276531c28.html 6/15. I'm amazed I got that many. Detroiter's that scoff can try this abot where I'm sat: http://www.funtrivia.com/submitquiz.cfm?quiz=222859
Re: RE: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only got 16/20 on that one (I mean the Manchester one, I didn't even try the Detroit one, it looked well 'ard). Mind that's better than you as it looks from the link like you got 0 (just a joke to point out the link pointed at answers not question - I didn't peek, honest). There wasn't one for Appleby or Cumbria surprisingly. -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2007 09:54 try this one... http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz45276531c28.html 6/15. I'm amazed I got that many. Detroiter's that scoff can try this abot where I'm sat: http://www.funtrivia.com/submitquiz.cfm?quiz=222859 I got 7 out of 20 on the Manc quiz ... without even cheating with Google ;) (Should've remembered the Strangeways riots date and the IRA bombing. Damned Alzheimer's! No honorary Mancunian status for me.) I only got 10 out of 15 on the Detroit test, however. Am I allowed to come back to the Festival next year? :-( - Greg
Re: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
try this one... http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz45276531c28.html 6/15. I'm amazed I got that many. Detroiter's that scoff can try this abot where I'm sat: http://www.funtrivia.com/submitquiz.cfm?quiz=222859 :) robin...
RE: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
7/10. and I had mad guesses. Good stuff though. k
Re: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
You scored: 14 / 15 woohoo! I didn't realize that Bellevile is 1.16 square miles and that it's smaller then GPS. On 10/4/07, Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: try this one... http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz45276531c28.html sadly...this suburban boy got 10/15. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 -- Detroit Techno Militia http://www.detroittechnomilitia.com
Re: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
The Art of Porking! :) robin... On 4 Oct 2007, at 14:34, John Sokolowski wrote: Whoops. Try this one: http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz2565611d5fc00.html
RE: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
Whoops. Try this one: http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz2565611d5fc00.html Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:43:01 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz CC: 313@hyperreal.org The link didn't work :( On 10/3/07, John Sokolowski wrote: http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/qu...611d5fc00.html Seriously, if you don't score 10/10 on this, you should be forced to unsub ;) _ Boo!Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews -- Detroit Techno Militia http://www.detroittechnomilitia.com _ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us
Re: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
10/10 baby! ;P tomm On 10/4/07, John Sokolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoops. Try this one: http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz2565611d5fc00.html Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:43:01 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz CC: 313@hyperreal.org The link didn't work :( On 10/3/07, John Sokolowski wrote: http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/qu...611d5fc00.html Seriously, if you don't score 10/10 on this, you should be forced to unsub ;) _ Boo!Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews -- Detroit Techno Militia http://www.detroittechnomilitia.com _ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us
Re: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
yes 10 out of 10 :) On 10/4/07, John Sokolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoops. Try this one: http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz2565611d5fc00.html Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:43:01 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz CC: 313@hyperreal.org The link didn't work :( On 10/3/07, John Sokolowski wrote: http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/qu...611d5fc00.html Seriously, if you don't score 10/10 on this, you should be forced to unsub ;) _ Boo!Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews -- Detroit Techno Militia http://www.detroittechnomilitia.com _ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us -- Detroit Techno Militia http://www.detroittechnomilitia.com
Re: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
as i'm only 34, i am not to embaressed to say i got 7/10 On 4 Oct 2007, at 14:34, John Sokolowski wrote: Whoops. Try this one: http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz2565611d5fc00.html Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:43:01 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz CC: 313@hyperreal.org The link didn't work :( On 10/3/07, John Sokolowski wrote: http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/qu...611d5fc00.html Seriously, if you don't score 10/10 on this, you should be forced to unsub ;) _ Boo!Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx? s_cid=wl_hotmailnews -- Detroit Techno Militia http://www.detroittechnomilitia.com _ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us
Re: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
On 10/4/07, ben thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as i'm only 34, i am not to embaressed to say i got 7/10 only 34?!?!?! how old do you think we are on here? we're not *all* old men ;) tom
Re: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
try this one... http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz45276531c28.html sadly...this suburban boy got 10/15. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
Re: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
between my wife and i we got 7/15, though many were guesses. of course, i dont live and never have lived in detroit! tom On 10/4/07, Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: try this one... http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz45276531c28.html sadly...this suburban boy got 10/15. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
Re: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
The link didn't work :( On 10/3/07, John Sokolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/qu...611d5fc00.html Seriously, if you don't score 10/10 on this, you should be forced to unsub ;) _ Boo!Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews -- Detroit Techno Militia http://www.detroittechnomilitia.com
Re: (313) Detroit Techno Militia Launches Record Label
yahoo!! been waiting for the official email, well done guys!! I have been very lucky I have had a few of Dennis gems for a while so I know how good this label will be - bn playing Banghera (i think thats it) and its lovely.. Keep me informed guys.. cheers Ian Label signs 2-3 year deal in conjunction with Cratesavers Muzik. Detroit, MI. (July 15, 2006) - Detroit Techno Militia, headquartered in Detroit, MI, has announced a working production deal with Cratesavers Muzik, a record label founded by the legendary Trackmasta Lou of SCAN7 and Posatronix formerly of AUX88. Detroit Techno Militia launched the label to display the latent talent within the militia. With the likes of their self-termed soldiers, the militia is unstoppable said Mike Harmon, long time DTM supporter and electronic music aficionado. Forming a record label is the next step they needed to take after building their solid reputation in Detroit and around the world. Detroit Techno Militia, a driving force in Detroits techno music community, founded the record label as a sub-label of Cratesavers Muzik. The partnership will combine distribution, management and the experience of the larger label with the clean proprietary design and attitude that has come to distinguish DTM as a major contemporary force in the battle against sub-par music and performances. Their in your face style of producing and DJing will surely raise eyebrows around and throughout the techno music community. The take no prisoners attitude towards their music helps the militia to advance and spread the gospel of the music that inspires them, and that will surely speak volumes. The much anticipated DTM-001 release is slated to include tracks from Der Mercenary, Loner9 and Sougon and will showcase the techno, electro and industrial genres, says Angela Schwendemann, label manager and founding member of the Detroit Techno Militia. Future releases will contain material from all contributing members of DTM and cover a broad musical spectrum. Working with Cratesavers Muzik will afford me the opportunity to learn more about the record industry and what it takes to run a successful label, says Schwendemann. The expertise and contribution of time from Cratesavers Muzik will help make us more successful, which will ultimately allow us to further our mission. We strongly believe this partner ship will continue the solid Detroit tradition says Trackmasta Lou, CEO of Cratesavers Muzik. The DTM crew will definitely be a force to be reckoned with. About Cratesavers Muzik Cratesavers Muzik was founded by Trackmasta Lou (of Scan 7 fame), and Posatronix aka B.J. (formerly of AUX88). As two of the hardest working producers and performers in Detroits electronic music battleground, and with over 30 years of combined record-making experience, the two joined forces to create and manage what they believe a record label should be. The label is dedicated to promoting and preserving the vinyl art of DJing. The records produced by Cratesavers Muzik are strictly for seasoned DJs who have accepted the mission to overthrow the collective of weak track dropping DJs. Refusing to pigeonhole their sound selection; Cratesavers accepts demos of all electronic genres. The minimal requirements are good music, and the talent can play in live analog. About Detroit Techno Militia Detroit Techno Militia was established as a grass roots DJ/Producer collective on a mission to promote Detroit Electronic Music around the world. All members are deeply inspired by Detroit's' techno history and work closely with several of Detroits most influential DJs and producers. Members include Andy Hegler, Annix, Dan Lucas, Darkcube, Der Mercenary, Dimitri Pike, Doc, Loner9, Mitch Walcott, Neil V., Sougon and T.Linder. .. Media Contact Angela Schwendemann Label Manager Detroit Techno Militia 3000 E. Grand Blvd. Detroit, MI 48202 (313) 561-8364 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.detroittechnomilitia.com Cratesavers Muzik 615 Griswold, Suite 215 Detroit, MI 48226 (313) 234-9200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cratesavers.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- www.midnightbeats.de www.reactor-bookings.com www.aonpromotions.com www.kube72.com www.myspace.com/kubeseventy2
RE: (313) Detroit Techno Militia Launches Record Label
Congrats! Really looking forward to the releases!Cheers! From:Alex Lugo [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:313 313@hyperreal.orgSubject:(313) Detroit Techno Militia Launches Record LabelDate:Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:35:01 -0700 (PDT)Label signs 2-3 year deal in conjunction withCratesavers Muzik.Detroit, MI. (July 15, 2006) - Detroit Techno Militia,headquartered in Detroit, MI, has announced a workingproduction deal with Cratesavers Muzik, a record labelfounded by the legendary Trackmasta Lou of SCAN7 andPosatronix formerly of AUX88.Detroit Techno Militia launched the label to displaythe latent talent within the militia. With the likesof their self-termed soldiers, the militia isunstoppable said Mike Harmon, long time DTM supporterand electronic music aficionado. Forming a recordlabel is the next step they needed to take afterbuilding their solid reputation in Detroit and aroundthe world.Detroit Techno Militia, a driving force in Detroitstechno music community, founded the record label as asub-label of Cratesavers Muzik. The partnership willcombine distribution, management and the experience ofthe larger label with the clean proprietary design andattitude that has come to distinguish DTM as a majorcontemporary force in the battle against sub-par musicand performances. Their in your face style ofproducing and DJing will surely raise eyebrows aroundand throughout the techno music community. The take noprisoners attitude towards their music helps themilitia to advance and spread the gospel of the musicthat inspires them, and that will surely speakvolumes.The much anticipated DTM-001 release is slated toinclude tracks from Der Mercenary, Loner9 and Sougonand will showcase the techno, electro and industrialgenres, says Angela Schwendemann, label manager andfounding member of the Detroit Techno Militia. Futurereleases will contain material from all contributingmembers of DTM and cover a broad musical spectrum.Working with Cratesavers Muzik will afford me theopportunity to learn more about the record industryand what it takes to run a successful label, saysSchwendemann. The expertise and contribution of timefrom Cratesavers Muzik will help make us moresuccessful, which will ultimately allow us to furtherour mission.We strongly believe this partner ship will continuethe solid Detroit tradition says Trackmasta Lou, CEOof Cratesavers Muzik. The DTM crew will definitely bea force to be reckoned with.About Cratesavers MuzikCratesavers Muzik was founded by Trackmasta Lou (ofScan 7 fame), and Posatronix aka B.J. (formerly ofAUX88). As two of the hardest working producers andperformers in Detroits electronic music battleground,and with over 30 years of combined record-makingexperience, the two joined forces to create and managewhat they believe a record label should be. The labelis dedicated to promoting and preserving the vinyl artof DJing. The records produced by Cratesavers Muzikare strictly for seasoned DJs who have accepted themission to overthrow the collective of weak trackdropping DJs. Refusing to pigeonhole their soundselection; Cratesavers accepts demos of all electronicgenres. The minimal requirements are good music, andthe talent can play in live analog.About Detroit Techno MilitiaDetroit Techno Militia was established as a grassroots DJ/Producer collective on a mission to promoteDetroit Electronic Music around the world. All membersare deeply inspired by Detroit's' techno history andwork closely with several of Detroits most influentialDJs and producers. Members include Andy Hegler, Annix,Dan Lucas, Darkcube, Der Mercenary, Dimitri Pike, Doc,Loner9, Mitch Walcott, Neil V., Sougon and T.Linder...Media ContactAngela Schwendemann Label ManagerDetroit Techno Militia3000 E. Grand Blvd.Detroit, MI 48202(313) 561-8364[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.detroittechnomilitia.comCratesavers Muzik615 Griswold, Suite 215Detroit, MI 48226(313) 234-9200[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cratesavers.com__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection aroundhttp://mail.yahoo.com
Re: (313) Detroit Techno
On 8 Sep 2004, at 23:08, Matt MacQueen wrote: On Sep 8, 2004, at 4:27 PM, Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: It's so simple... Detroit Techno = Kurzweil K2000 period :) yeah, i tend to agree, except that plenty of detroit techno came out before 1991... :) There was a promo release of that in 1990 Matt *LOL* Cheers Martin
RE: (313) Detroit Techno
The original question, IIRC, was whether Detroit Techno (as a term) brought to mind abstract, string-laden melodies Of course, the question, what does Detroit techno mean today? is open, and answerable by all who care. Whether they're Aril Brikha (not from Detroit) or KDJ (militantly from it, and of it), all who care contribute to the ongoing answer. Put simply, the *breadth* of the field, and the willingness to engage and invent, are what characterize early techno. And I think, given the immense musical variety of those who still point back to Detroit, these things still characterize Detroit Techno today. I am constantly drawn back to sounds of Detroit Techno, because it is one of the few places where I am presented discussion related not only to the music but the character of dance electronic culture. Techno introduced me to the concept of society through music. In terms of communicating ideas and creating connections, 'Detroit' the music identity is a catalyst. As a discussion platform, the music is a structure which engages people. As a creative reference, speaks of a purposed thinking. And this is a fairly protected identity. Detroit ' is passively 'non-commercial'. It eludes to a more a organic path. It relates to a fluency naturalness in musical ideas. It suggests harmony in the circuitry, beauty in the machine state. Defiance, hope, succession, mastery, conscious, fearless, humanity. I understand Detroit Techno as a language and a culture. .simon -- . . . . . . ... .. .. // \\ gain more interest http://www.obscure.co.nz // \\ . . . . ... . . . .
Re: (313) Detroit Techno
On Sep 7, 2004, at 3:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the detroit techno list right? It suddenly occured to me that what I call Detroit Techno may be a bit different to what other people think. When someone says to you Detroit Techno, what do you immediately think of? a) the hard industrial vibe hard music for a hard city? or b) the melodic mid-tempo beats of say, World to World, or Never On Sunday or something. there is such amazing variety, that's why the term 'detroit techno' means so much. it's a loaded term. there's the quiet/gorgeous/lush slow 69 tracks, stuff like Kenny Larkin's midtempo and downtempo cuts. there's the classic transmat era definitive dancefloor funk like Nude Photo, Icon, Kaos, etc... there's housier stuff like R-Tyme, KDJ, Andres, 3 Chairs. There's electro like Cybotron / m500 and computer-muzik roboty sounding stuff like Nite Drive Thru Babylon, Dopplereffekt, Drexciya, some UR. Even within UR look at the amazing range and variety of labels under one roof.There's the hammering of Axis stomper warehouse techno anthems, and the quiet/contemplative side of Mills in some of the Millsart / Metropolis stuff. There's Rob Hood as minimal microscope funky atom examiner of pure distilled techno, then you've got Hood in his stuff on Duet and Floorplan, totally lush and different... And 'nighttime world'! The same producer(!) Amazing.. Then there's cool out jazzy things like The Detroit Experiment project, which is something I can play on a sunday morning and still get a deep detroit vibe.There's funk/nu soul stuff like Amp Fiddler, Dwele, Innerzone Orchestra. All these are very different sides of the music (not even just 'dance' music) spectrum and that's why detroit electronic music is so great, it s varied. You can get a complete diet of quality electronic music from hard raw stompers to deep future music to laid back modern blues/house to just about anything in between, and never leave the 'detroit' section of the crates. :) an interesting question. people i talk to get into detroit techno through one door, and then find all these OTHER doors of detroit sounds opening as they look around inside. Dumb metaphor, but i hope you know what i mean it's so much bigger than just one sound, yet there's this intangible thing that ties the mood together... it's powerful. -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
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On Sep 7, 2004, at 5:24 AM, placid wrote: At the time of transmat, metroplex, express, incognito there was nothing else like it yes good point. also not similar enough to be called house anymore, it had to have it's OWN name too. -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
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It's so simple... Detroit Techno = Kurzweil K2000 period :) On 8-sep-04, at 18:04, Matt MacQueen wrote: On Sep 7, 2004, at 5:24 AM, placid wrote: At the time of transmat, metroplex, express, incognito there was nothing else like it yes good point. also not similar enough to be called house anymore, it had to have it's OWN name too. -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
Re: (313) Detroit Techno
On Sep 8, 2004, at 4:27 PM, Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: It's so simple... Detroit Techno = Kurzweil K2000 period :) yeah, i tend to agree, except that plenty of detroit techno came out before 1991... :) -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
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Both - does there have to be only one sound? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 September 2004 09:50 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Detroit Techno I was thinking. clickwhirrpop Yesterday, Matt said this: the one thing you WON'T hear these guys play is hard techno. So if that's your main interest, (as i realize it is of plenty on this list... at least historically), you should probably seek it elsewhere ;) This is the detroit techno list right? It suddenly occured to me that what I call Detroit Techno may be a bit different to what other people think. When someone says to you Detroit Techno, what do you immediately think of? a) the hard industrial vibe hard music for a hard city? or b) the melodic mid-tempo beats of say, World to World, or Never On Sunday or something. Just wondering like.. I'm quite interested in what you think. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Both - does there have to be only one sound? No, not at all. I was just wondering if people thought one way or the other. Like, for example, I often forget about the harder stuff, when I imagine that some people actually from the city identify more with that sound and probably think of that as detroit techno. Where as I don't, and Iwould imagine I'm wrong, just wondered if I was in the minority or not... _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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I was thinking about this the other night and it often shifts in my mind but I'd say: Detroit: a) Strings b) Melody c) Funk d) Jacked e) Kick These are not in any order but I'd say the strongest one for Detroit is the strings, that's how a lot of people define it. I like all flavours but sometimes see little point in just copying...For me techno isn't about just joining the dots. Cheers Martin of? a) the hard industrial vibe hard music for a hard city? or b) the melodic mid-tempo beats of say, World to World, or Never On Sunday or something. Just wondering like.. I'm quite interested in what you think.
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It's interesting to see what people in Detroit might regard as 'Detroit Techno' isn't it? One problem is that as far as I can understand, the time, in Detroit, when masses of clubbers (of a broad age range, perhaps) go out to clubs and listen to 'techno' of any variety, appears to have passed. FOr club music, house and of course hip-hop rules at the moment, I think it's safe to say. This is just what I hear. But, I'm told, there was never a time when the more 'breakbeat' stuff - basically this is 'electro', but not exclusively so - was *not* more popular than 'techno'. Even more blurring the edges of this, is that there was and still is to an extent a tendency for many in Detroit to call what we call electro, techno as well! :-) (Please remember that all my impressions are second-hand. I haven't been out in Detroit in over a decade.) People I would humbly request to pipe-up on this topic are Ian Cheshire, and Greg Earle :-) Peace, Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:02 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Detroit Techno Both - does there have to be only one sound? No, not at all. I was just wondering if people thought one way or the other. Like, for example, I often forget about the harder stuff, when I imagine that some people actually from the city identify more with that sound and probably think of that as detroit techno. Where as I don't, and Iwould imagine I'm wrong, just wondered if I was in the minority or not... _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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With Alex on this. I always think melody, strings and nice padwerk for Det Tec. Almost all of my listening is at home and I find it hard to listening hard industrail stuff on a home rig - albeit thro some huge Mission speakers. Maybe it's age. Rav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 September 2004 10:02 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Detroit Techno Both - does there have to be only one sound? No, not at all. I was just wondering if people thought one way or the other. Like, for example, I often forget about the harder stuff, when I imagine that some people actually from the city identify more with that sound and probably think of that as detroit techno. Where as I don't, and Iwould imagine I'm wrong, just wondered if I was in the minority or not... _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 September 2004 09:50 When someone says to you Detroit Techno, what do you immediately think of? a) the hard industrial vibe hard music for a hard city? or b) the melodic mid-tempo beats of say, World to World, or Never On Sunday or something. I tend to think of the whole shebang, that whole spectrum of music ranging from something like Kaotic Harmony or Icon all the way over to the Tranquiliser EP or Seawolf. But I'd probably also say that there's something like a median Detroit Techno sound, halfway in between the two edges of the spectrum, that's probably exemplified by things like the fourth Red Planet EP and tracks like The Art Of Stalking. Brendan
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Martin Dit often shifts in my mind Yeah, me too. and I see you think of it differently as well. e.g. your first answer strings as opposed to say, the punisher KenIt's interesting to see what people in Detroit might regard as 'Detroit Techno' isn't it? yeah I reckon it is Ken. I reckon I benefit alot out of this list, I find it really interesting how people from different places percieve different things. Like say, do peeps in detroit consider that fast booty sound as detroit techno? BrendanI tend to think of the whole shebang, clever clogs! thats typical! No, I guess this is the correct way of thinking about it (or is there a correct way?) but for some reason, I don't think of it like that. Should be interesting when some of our comrades from across the pond drag their lazy labour day asses out of bed. ; ) btw, I don't know where this discussion is going, or the use of it. But my boss ain't in. oh and I have a Q for Greg Earle as well. Have you lived in San Fran all your life? Do you know an old band (punk/wave? - dunno what you'd call 'em).. THE UNITS. If you can remember them, I really want to try and get hold of someone who might know them, would be really grateful. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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For me - 'it is what it is' encapsulates everything about Detroit techno that I love it's the 1st thing I play when trying to describe techno to someone p -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 September 2004 10:34 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno Martin Dit often shifts in my mind Yeah, me too. and I see you think of it differently as well. e.g. your first answer strings as opposed to say, the punisher KenIt's interesting to see what people in Detroit might regard as 'Detroit Techno' isn't it? yeah I reckon it is Ken. I reckon I benefit alot out of this list, I find it really interesting how people from different places percieve different things. Like say, do peeps in detroit consider that fast booty sound as detroit techno? BrendanI tend to think of the whole shebang, clever clogs! thats typical! No, I guess this is the correct way of thinking about it (or is there a correct way?) but for some reason, I don't think of it like that. Should be interesting when some of our comrades from across the pond drag their lazy labour day asses out of bed. ; ) btw, I don't know where this discussion is going, or the use of it. But my boss ain't in. oh and I have a Q for Greg Earle as well. Have you lived in San Fran all your life? Do you know an old band (punk/wave? - dunno what you'd call 'em).. THE UNITS. If you can remember them, I really want to try and get hold of someone who might know them, would be really grateful. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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That's odd, that was one of the tracks I was going to suggest as being a piece of dead centre Detroit techno. But having already mentioned Kaotic Harmony and Icon I figured that there was a bit too much Derrick May content in my email already :) When I first heard It Is What It Is I was already familiar with the concept of Detroit techno, and with much of the actual music as well. But the music had never matched so perfectly with the concept - if that makes sense - as when I first heard that track. Also, when it was on the Channel 4 documentary, playing over shots of May wandering around a deserted industrial estate and that circuit-board-as-city video, I just thought yep, this pretty much sums it up... It combines the melodic sensibilities of Detroit techno with its dancefloor aspects so effectively - hard to think of any other tracks that do that so well. Brendan -Original Message- From: placid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 September 2004 10:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Detroit Techno For me - 'it is what it is' encapsulates everything about Detroit techno that I love it's the 1st thing I play when trying to describe techno to someone p -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 September 2004 10:34 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno Martin Dit often shifts in my mind Yeah, me too. and I see you think of it differently as well. e.g. your first answer strings as opposed to say, the punisher KenIt's interesting to see what people in Detroit might regard as 'Detroit Techno' isn't it? yeah I reckon it is Ken. I reckon I benefit alot out of this list, I find it really interesting how people from different places percieve different things. Like say, do peeps in detroit consider that fast booty sound as detroit techno? BrendanI tend to think of the whole shebang, clever clogs! thats typical! No, I guess this is the correct way of thinking about it (or is there a correct way?) but for some reason, I don't think of it like that. Should be interesting when some of our comrades from across the pond drag their lazy labour day asses out of bed. ; ) btw, I don't know where this discussion is going, or the use of it. But my boss ain't in. oh and I have a Q for Greg Earle as well. Have you lived in San Fran all your life? Do you know an old band (punk/wave? - dunno what you'd call 'em).. THE UNITS. If you can remember them, I really want to try and get hold of someone who might know them, would be really grateful. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Rare Piece Man Extroadinaire SaidFor me - 'it is what it is' encapsulates everything about Detroit techno that I love it's the 1st thing I play when trying to describe techno to someone Yep, I get you. So, I might do a similar thing, for them to turn round and say nah, THIS is detroit techno and whack on the RIOT ep. and they wouldn't exactly be wrong either. I have no idea what point I am trying to make. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 September 2004 10:45 Rare Piece Man Extroadinaire SaidFor me - 'it is what it is' encapsulates everything about Detroit techno that I love Yep, I get you. So, I might do a similar thing, for them to turn round and say nah, THIS is detroit techno and whack on the RIOT ep. But if you then took 100 Detroit techno records at random, and listened to them, the overall balance of styles would eventually suggest that RIOT was a bit nearer the edge, a bit of an anomaly, while It Is What It Is was nearer the centre. And the more records you randomly picked out to play, the more obvious that would become, I reckon! Brendan
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Martin Dit often shifts in my mind Yeah, me too. and I see you think of it differently as well. e.g. your first answer strings as opposed to say, the punisher I just have my Northern Soul and Motown days as well, so Detroit has always been about the sweet strings in one way or another but as you know I've always loved pure noise as well. Guess I'm just weird :)
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But if you then took 100 Detroit techno records at random, and listened to them, the overall balance of styles would eventually suggest that RIOT was a bit nearer the edge, a bit of an anomaly, while It Is What It Is was nearer the centre. And the more records you randomly picked out to play, the more obvious that would become, I reckon! I'd agree, some one asked me recent for an example, I told them to buy Los Hermanos 'Quetzal' - for me that's the bullseye. Martin
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Resident Techno Philosopher Brendan wroteBut if you then took 100 Detroit techno records at random, and listened to them, the overall balance of styles would eventually suggest that RIOT was a bit nearer the edge, a bit of an anomaly, while It Is What It Is was nearer the centre. And the more records you randomly picked out to play, the more obvious that would become, I reckon! aha, I get you now. don't worry, I'm a little slow, you kinda have to hammer the point home a little with me! btw Brendan, you crack me up, you're our very own 313 professor of techno I say. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Los Hermanos 'Quetzal' - for me that's the bullseye. and I'd argue that that record is pretty average. ha ha ha ha ha, lets argue all day, it's fun. : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Well, I'd ask you to be objective rather than subjective ;) I love that track... Martin On 7 Sep 2004, at 10:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Los Hermanos 'Quetzal' - for me that's the bullseye. and I'd argue that that record is pretty average. ha ha ha ha ha, lets argue all day, it's fun.
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Hmm. Maybe my point was, are we in the wrong place to talk about that more melodic stuff, and the influences for it? Like, for example, I could talk about wierd electronic disco pieces that inspired detroit techno all day long, but, does that get on most peoples nerves? i.e. are most of the list here to find out about current stuff, or hard stuff, or are you open to whatever and not too bothered either way? I think this was my point I suppose. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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-Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 September 2004 11:05 [Quetzal] Well, I'd ask you to be objective rather than subjective ;) I love that track... I'd agree that Quetzal is also pretty near the bullseye, but would probably say that Birth Of 3000 is even more so. But maybe that's just me being subjective, as I prefer the latter to the former (but only just :) Brendan
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If I want to convey what Detroit techno is to someone I just lend them Derick May's Innovator album. For me, that was the sound in its purest, most isolated state. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno Hmm. Maybe my point was, are we in the wrong place to talk about that more melodic stuff, and the influences for it? Like, for example, I could talk about wierd electronic disco pieces that inspired detroit techno all day long, but, does that get on most peoples nerves? i.e. are most of the list here to find out about current stuff, or hard stuff, or are you open to whatever and not too bothered either way? I think this was my point I suppose. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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[Quetzal] Well, I'd ask you to be objective rather than subjective ;) I love that track... I'd agree that Quetzal is also pretty near the bullseye, but would probably say that Birth Of 3000 is even more so. But maybe that's just me being subjective, as I prefer the latter to the former (but only just :) Very true Brendan, I just love the sweet strings on Quetzal - 3000 is also up there for me - always in the rack ready to be played - in fact I usual start with one or the other of these on a Sunday morning, then some Electrofunk stuff - great way to start the most boring day of the week I find.
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I personally am open to whatever - I think one of the things which makes Detroit techno so powerful is this sheer depth, range and quality of its influences - I find it pretty sad when people start policing what can and cannot be discussed with relation to the music we all love.The sound influenced by Detroit is certainly my first love, but I am also passionate about all music that matches that level of quality - I think that musical purism is just about the most pathetic trait to be found amongst people in the scene (though that's a WHOLE different rant!!) For my part though, the mention of 'Detroit Techno' always makes me think of the richer, funkier and melodic side of things - tracks like Amazon and Final Frontier are the first in my thoughts. The likes of Mills and Hood wouldn't spring to mind at all, although I do love their earlier material and they are obviously just as much a part of Detroit's history... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno Hmm. Maybe my point was, are we in the wrong place to talk about that more melodic stuff, and the influences for it? Like, for example, I could talk about wierd electronic disco pieces that inspired detroit techno all day long, but, does that get on most peoples nerves? i.e. are most of the list here to find out about current stuff, or hard stuff, or are you open to whatever and not too bothered either way? I think this was my point I suppose. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Perfectly justified in sticking on the punisher .but the punisher et al. were 2nd wave Detroit technoat that time there was a lot of german and Belgian stuff flying around that also had that hard dark edge.. At the time of transmat, metroplex, express, incognito there was nothing else like it p -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 September 2004 10:45 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Detroit Techno Rare Piece Man Extroadinaire SaidFor me - 'it is what it is' encapsulates everything about Detroit techno that I love it's the 1st thing I play when trying to describe techno to someone Yep, I get you. So, I might do a similar thing, for them to turn round and say nah, THIS is detroit techno and whack on the RIOT ep. and they wouldn't exactly be wrong either. I have no idea what point I am trying to make. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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-Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 September 2004 10:56 To: Brendan Nelson Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno I'd agree, some one asked me recent for an example, I told them to buy Los Hermanos 'Quetzal' - for me that's the bullseye. Well for arguments sake, I disagree.. 'it is what it is' does the job perfectly.. and no we cant have 2 records doing the same job !
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I remember when I first came across that Flash guide to electronic music that was put together by a bloke called Ashok or something, which attempted to sum up Detroit techno with an audio snippet of Hood's Pole Position and a spiel about how Detroit techno is supposed to make you feel quite disoriented and lost. Of course, that *totally* missed the point, and I remember he was getting so many emails from people on 313 that he even put up a little notice saying if you're on the 313 list, don't email me OK!?... However, I do think that Hood and Mills count as Detroit techno (obviously!) even though they're not what might be called mainstream Detroit techno. One of the things I most like about Detroit techno in general is the fact that it's quite difficult to pigeonhole - you go to a Detroit techno party, and you're going to hear a very wide range of music as the night progresses. Most other styles of dance music can't really boast that degree of internal variation, I don't think. Brendan -Original Message- From: Matt Chester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 September 2004 11:30 To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno For my part though, the mention of 'Detroit Techno' always makes me think of the richer, funkier and melodic side of things - tracks like Amazon and Final Frontier are the first in my thoughts. The likes of Mills and Hood wouldn't spring to mind at all, although I do love their earlier material and they are obviously just as much a part of Detroit's history...
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just to be argumentative as well. (I love arguing with Martin!) a) Sunday is the best day of the week! b) I think the Los Hermanos stuff is pretty nice, but am definitely feeling some of the stuff from more european based producers more. (or not exclusively euro stuff) but you know, MOS, Ross154 etc. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Ishkur's? http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html He's changed the definition and the tunes now! -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:31 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Detroit Techno I remember when I first came across that Flash guide to electronic music that was put together by a bloke called Ashok or something, which attempted to sum up Detroit techno with an audio snippet of Hood's Pole Position and a spiel about how Detroit techno is supposed to make you feel quite disoriented and lost. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Ok, the reason I called on Ian Cheshire to join in is because - now this i v. apt :-) - he's currently engaged in an intermittent tour in Germany called 'The Detroit Impressions' tour. And I think the idea is that the artists involved, inc. Ian, give their own 'impression' of what Detroit techno is mostly all about. Now anyone who knows Ian, knows that apart from being a very decent bloke, also knows that the techno he plays is usually at least upbeat and quite often what you could say is 'hard'. The thing is, he is to me perhaps the most hands-on authority I've met about djing in Detroit (I think you've played in Detroit quite a few times Ian , right?). So he probably knows more than most what goes down in the techno world in Detroit, and what goes down well. Greg Earle, the reason I requested that you join in is that I just remember you talking about going to parties in Detroit many years ago and up to the present day. Correct me and forgive me if I confabulate (a rare occurence, right?!?! ;-) Overall though, I think I'm with Brendan on this. For me, Detroit techno covers a lot of styles. It's hard, or it's purist, or it's melodic, or it's minimal, or it's electro! :-) Often it's got elements of all the above and usually, most people would agree that whatever 'funk' is, that undefinable element can often seemt to be in what we call 'Detroit Techno'. Just to give an example of what I'm listening to a lot at the moment which I'd say falls into the above - 'R U Ready' by X-Ile, on Direct Beat. Now of course, this is what most would call 'electro'. But to me the essence of what Detroit 'techno' (heh) is all about is in that record, and many more quite like it. k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:57 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno Los Hermanos 'Quetzal' - for me that's the bullseye. and I'd argue that that record is pretty average. ha ha ha ha ha, lets argue all day, it's fun. : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Ishkur's? http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html He's changed the definition and the tunes now! (Perhaps as a response to the flamings!) -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:31 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Detroit Techno I remember when I first came across that Flash guide to electronic music that was put together by a bloke called Ashok or something, which attempted to sum up Detroit techno with an audio snippet of Hood's Pole Position and a spiel about how Detroit techno is supposed to make you feel quite disoriented and lost. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Ian's probably away being an international dj Ken! btw, for the record, this is exactly what I think too: (and I think it's pretty much the definitive answer) For me, Detroit techno covers a lot of styles. It's hard, or it's purist, or it's melodic, or it's minimal, or it's electro! :-) Often it's got elements of all the above and usually, most people would agree that whatever 'funk' is, that undefinable element can often seemt to be in what we call 'Detroit Techno' and I wasn't sort of arguing, or trying to make the point that it *should* be one thing or the other, that's exactly the opposite of what I think, it's just what Matt said yesterday really made me think about the other people on this list, and maybe they get a bit hacked off with me and a few others talking about the kind of techno we like, as opposed to maybe what the majority think. err, so yeah, clear as mud. sorry, just trying to clarify what I was on about. I'm in some sort of community minded mood today. (I think) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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with all this talk about nothing.. is detroit techno, techno from detroit only? or can it come from i.e. rotterdam as well? -- Nomorewords.net Bentinckstraat 66-2 1051 GN Amsterdam The Netherlands fax +31-20-486-9624 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:00 PM Subject: RE: (313) Detroit Techno Ian's probably away being an international dj Ken! btw, for the record, this is exactly what I think too: (and I think it's pretty much the definitive answer) For me, Detroit techno covers a lot of styles. It's hard, or it's purist, or it's melodic, or it's minimal, or it's electro! :-) Often it's got elements of all the above and usually, most people would agree that whatever 'funk' is, that undefinable element can often seemt to be in what we call 'Detroit Techno' and I wasn't sort of arguing, or trying to make the point that it *should* be one thing or the other, that's exactly the opposite of what I think, it's just what Matt said yesterday really made me think about the other people on this list, and maybe they get a bit hacked off with me and a few others talking about the kind of techno we like, as opposed to maybe what the majority think. err, so yeah, clear as mud. sorry, just trying to clarify what I was on about. I'm in some sort of community minded mood today. (I think) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 September 2004 12:01 it's just what Matt said yesterday really made me think about the other people on this list, and maybe they get a bit hacked off with me and a few others talking about the kind of techno we like, as opposed to maybe what the majority think. I see what you mean... but I think that, on 313, there's a pretty heavy leaning towards the melodic, funky and soulful sorts of things. The majority of people on this list aren't here for hard techno, I reckon; mailing lists like G-Tech cater for that audience. While people aren't going to get shouted down for mentioning things like Punisher on here, you could probably guess that the average 313er is someone who likes a bit of the hard stuff when out in some dark sweaty club at 4am on a Sunday morning, but who generally looks for either a bit more funk or a bit more cerebral involvement from their electronic music. I might be wrong though! Who knows what the hundreds of 313 lurkers out there might be thinking? :) Brendan
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with all this talk about nothing.. us, talk about nothing? surely not. ; ) is detroit techno, techno from detroit only? hmm, never did know the answer to that Q. but, say, that Hal Varian track Catalysm sounds very detroit techno to me, like Carl Craig in fact. or can it come from i.e. rotterdam as well? thats clogno. ; ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2004 11:12 am Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno Hmm. Maybe my point was, are we in the wrong place to talk about that more melodic stuff, and the influences for it? Like, for example, I could talk about wierd electronic disco pieces that inspired detroit techno all day long, but, does that get on most peoples nerves? i.e. are most of the list here to find out about current stuff, or hardstuff, or are you open to whatever and not too bothered either way? I think this was my point I suppose. i wanna hear about it all! the more i learn the less i realise i actually know. 'the mexican' is also on a bbe compilation http://www.bbemusic.com/data.pl?release=BBECD040
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WIDE OPEN. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems Entech Bebop was about change, about evolution. It wasn't about standing still and becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:12 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno Hmm. Maybe my point was, are we in the wrong place to talk about that more melodic stuff, and the influences for it? Like, for example, I could talk about wierd electronic disco pieces that inspired detroit techno all day long, but, does that get on most peoples nerves? i.e. are most of the list here to find out about current stuff, or hard stuff, or are you open to whatever and not too bothered either way? I think this was my point I suppose. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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KamalWIDE OPEN sweet! sometimes I think it's best to check these things once in a while though right? p.s. your name sounds like a basketball player's. are you 8 feet tall? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Marsel wrote: with all this talk about nothing.. is detroit techno, techno from detroit only? or can it come from i.e. rotterdam as well? i'd say it has to come from detroit te be called detroit techno [that is, that's the tendency i see all around]. (detroit) techno started with rhythim is rhythim, model 500, cybotron, innercity, etc. that was called techno. than ur, robert hood, alan oldham and jeff mills came, and took the sound into a different direction. that was still called techno (detroit techno). other evolved techno sounds from detroit are still referenced by many as detroit techno. but how about b12, black dog etc? detroit techno? or something else? ig culture, 4hero, maurizio, kompakt or playhouse detroit techno? the way i see it, is that if it sounds like some techno (offspring) that originally originated in detroit, it will be called detroit techno. if however the evolved version was first released outside of detroit, it will not be called detroit techno. jurren _ Talk with your online friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/
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ok, how would you people categorize a record by i.e. Duplex or D5? :-) i thought for B12 and Black Dog was the term intelligent techno? always liked that one ;-) saw also ambient techno, or ambi-techno being used. delsin has been called post-detroit and once somewhere as well soft-techno isn't that wonderful?
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I was also thinking that Digital Soul and 11th Hour material could be described as Detroit techno, but post-Detroit is better I guess. Actually, no it's not. Post-anything is a horrible term! -Original Message- From: Marsel // Nomorewords.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:29 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Detroit techno ok, how would you people categorize a record by i.e. Duplex or D5? :-) i thought for B12 and Black Dog was the term intelligent techno? always liked that one ;-) saw also ambient techno, or ambi-techno being used. delsin has been called post-detroit and once somewhere as well soft-techno isn't that wonderful? # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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that last 11th hour is a killer btw, really digging it. Alex, there´s yer new tune-tip, go get it. new oliver who is also very good, at least the rmx on it. get out your wallet and purchase, purchase, purchase. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 7 september 2004 18:31 To: Marsel // Nomorewords.net; 313 Subject: RE: (313) Detroit techno I was also thinking that Digital Soul and 11th Hour material could be described as Detroit techno, but post-Detroit is better I guess. Actually, no it's not. Post-anything is a horrible term! -Original Message- From: Marsel // Nomorewords.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:29 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Detroit techno ok, how would you people categorize a record by i.e. Duplex or D5? :-) i thought for B12 and Black Dog was the term intelligent techno? always liked that one ;-) saw also ambient techno, or ambi-techno being used. delsin has been called post-detroit and once somewhere as well soft-techno isn't that wonderful? # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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Well I'd call the new 12 by Matt Chester on 11th Hour brilliant if you asked me - just trying review it but I just keep drifting off - thinking about better places to be than grey Sheffield - A2 and B2 are my picks... Cheers Martin On 7 Sep 2004, at 17:31, Robert Taylor wrote: I was also thinking that Digital Soul and 11th Hour material could be described as Detroit techno, but post-Detroit is better I guess. Actually, no it's not. Post-anything is a horrible term!
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Totally agree! Ken courthouse intl. audio - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Marsel // Nomorewords.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: Re: (313) Detroit techno Well I'd call the new 12 by Matt Chester on 11th Hour brilliant if you asked me - just trying review it but I just keep drifting off - thinking about better places to be than grey Sheffield - A2 and B2 are my picks... Cheers Martin On 7 Sep 2004, at 17:31, Robert Taylor wrote: I was also thinking that Digital Soul and 11th Hour material could be described as Detroit techno, but post-Detroit is better I guess. Actually, no it's not. Post-anything is a horrible term!
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delsin has been called post-detroit and once somewhere as well soft-techno now you see, I'd call Delsin a 'proper' techno label. but I guess I'd be in the minority. it has all the hallmarks of what I think techno should be. thanks for the tip on the 11th hour all, will check! _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Thanks to all those who hit me back about my posts. It seems your getting them and I'm not. This is due to my mail at work being ed up. Annoying but I guess when I rely on work for a PC I can't complain - I should get my own. But then how would I afford those seductive black shiny discs? What makes things worse is that it's not that I'm not receiving anything at all instead mails are coming through sporadically in a random order. Try reading the thread above when sometimes a rejoinder precedes the comment that occasioned it by a couple of days! Alex I hope your diss of Quetzal doesn't include Tescat or I'm gonna nuke Irlam Of The Height.
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Thanks guys, glad you like it! Your cheques are in the post ;-) - Original Message - From: DJ Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: Re: (313) Detroit techno Totally agree! Ken courthouse intl. audio - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Marsel // Nomorewords.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: Re: (313) Detroit techno Well I'd call the new 12 by Matt Chester on 11th Hour brilliant if you asked me - just trying review it but I just keep drifting off - thinking about better places to be than grey Sheffield - A2 and B2 are my picks... Cheers Martin On 7 Sep 2004, at 17:31, Robert Taylor wrote: I was also thinking that Digital Soul and 11th Hour material could be described as Detroit techno, but post-Detroit is better I guess. Actually, no it's not. Post-anything is a horrible term!
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Alex I hope your diss of Quetzal doesn't include Tescat or I'm gonna nuke Irlam Of The Height. Heh! I wasn't really dissing it or owt, just saying that I thought it was just OK, not in my top 100 or owt. You can't nuke t'heights, it's the new Detroit I'll have you know. Me/Jonny/Dave/Dunc all have luxury (?!) penthouses there. You know the sort of luxury housing you get in Salford.. Axis of er, evil. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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The original question, IIRC, was whether Detroit Techno (as a term) brought to mind abstract, string-laden melodies (the kind that demand emotional as well as physical response) or abstract-minimal-but-bangin' nonetheless tracks like the ones that have long made Mills famous. Of course, the question, what does Detroit techno mean today? is open, and answerable by all who care. Whether they're Aril Brikha (not from Detroit) or KDJ (militantly from it, and of it), all who care contribute to the ongoing answer. Which is why Detroit Techno as a term, like the 313 list itself, hasn't shrivelled into a too-narrow, too-precise, and too-uptight-to-have-fun genre. (This is, BTW, exactly what Simon Reynolds continually argues about Detroit and Detroit-o-philes in _Generation Ecstacy_. A big raspberry to him.) But asking whether Hood and Mills count as mainstream Detroit techno actually pins quite nicely the *historical* (not present-interpretive) component of the question. What if ALL of Mills' output is really taken as a centre or mainstream of Detroit Techno. I mean everything from Wizard sets (which are contemporaneous to the prep scene in Detroit, and predate the very coinage techno as do the early works of Atkins, May Saunderson) to his work with the industrial Final Cut to his abstract soundtrack works to the hardest Punisher Axis releases... I don't mean to diminish the work of anyone else with this example, but if you consider Mills as the very centre around which Detroit Techno has whirled and developed, you get an answer that takes you back to the very beginning: In the beginning, there was a crowd of kids who tried different things. They experimented -- with analog synths, with turntables, with backtracking their way out of mixes, they tried on early hip-hop electro mixing techniques, and were driven both by the mad techne (technical wizardry, whatever) of pounding rhythms and by the desire to express something through machines, without recourse to what they clearly saw as limiting forms of balladry storytelling in RB, rock-n-roll, etc. They have truck with hard percussion stripped of all melody, and they put out lush instrumental soundtracks that sound like they come from American Minimal composers like Steve Reich or John Cage. They try nearly *everything*. Put simply, the *breadth* of the field, and the willingness to engage and invent, are what characterize early techno. And I think, given the immense musical variety of those who still point back to Detroit, these things still characterize Detroit Techno today. Please continue to discuss at length. That's what this list has been here for -- ten years now. -marc c. At 11:30 AM +0100 9/7/04, Brendan Nelson wrote: I remember when I first came across that Flash guide to electronic music that was put together by a bloke called Ashok or something, which attempted to sum up Detroit techno with an audio snippet of Hood's Pole Position and a spiel about how Detroit techno is supposed to make you feel quite disoriented and lost. Of course, that *totally* missed the point, and I remember he was getting so many emails from people on 313 that he even put up a little notice saying if you're on the 313 list, don't email me OK!?... However, I do think that Hood and Mills count as Detroit techno (obviously!) even though they're not what might be called mainstream Detroit techno. One of the things I most like about Detroit techno in general is the fact that it's quite difficult to pigeonhole - you go to a Detroit techno party, and you're going to hear a very wide range of music as the night progresses. Most other styles of dance music can't really boast that degree of internal variation, I don't think. Brendan -Original Message- From: Matt Chester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 September 2004 11:30 To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno For my part though, the mention of 'Detroit Techno' always makes me think of the richer, funkier and melodic side of things - tracks like Amazon and Final Frontier are the first in my thoughts. The likes of Mills and Hood wouldn't spring to mind at all, although I do love their earlier material and they are obviously just as much a part of Detroit's history...
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Ken - my first Detroit party was the 313 5-year anniversary party in December 1999, and the last was Monday night at the Werks in June 2003. While I feel qualified to say what Detroit Techno means to me (for me, the rhythms - that shuffle beat with lots of hi-hats, etc. - is a key element compared to other music), I'll defer to the likes of Yussel, Garrett, Dan Sicko, Ian Malbon and Diana Potts when it comes to Detroit club music. Alex - I've got several friends in SF, but I've never lived there a day - I live in LA :) While I remember The Units, I don't think I ever saw them - they didn't play down my way too often. I was pretty skint in the late 70's Punk days so I couldn't get to 1/10th the number of shows I wish I could've gone to ... I assume you've seen http://www.synthpunk.org/units/history.html then? (Meanwhile, in the News Of The Weird dept.: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18250 Oi! You Irish lot! Put down your iPods and pull a pint, for Guinness God Country!) - Greg
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On Tuesday, September 7, 2004, at 12:11 PM, marc christensen wrote: Which is why Detroit Techno as a term, like the 313 list itself, hasn't shrivelled into a too-narrow, too-precise, and too-uptight-to-have-fun genre. (This is, BTW, exactly what Simon Reynolds continually argues about Detroit and Detroit-o-philes in _Generation Ecstacy_. A big raspberry to him.) With all respect for Simon Reynolds, that boy was pretty quick to make that argument about any scene that wasn't grassroots or 'ardkore or working class enough for him (read: authentic). Mind you, if you can keep his biases in mind as you read, the book is otherwise quite useful. Gotta give it to him for attempting to write a history of EDM--however flawed. cheers, Luis Politics is parlour tricks. -W. Jean
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Strings tug me (oo er) in every song I hear, not just Detroit, but I would say them for Detroit as thems the things that remain. But obviously Detroit is more than that. Detroit for me right now as I sup some more dirty vodka = Timeless techno that makes you wanna do stuff in life! Even write to a dude wearing a mask in Detroit that you never met, and say thanks. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 September 2004 10:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno I was thinking about this the other night and it often shifts in my mind but I'd say: Detroit: a) Strings b) Melody c) Funk d) Jacked e) Kick These are not in any order but I'd say the strongest one for Detroit is the strings, that's how a lot of people define it. I like all flavours but sometimes see little point in just copying...For me techno isn't about just joining the dots. Cheers Martin of? a) the hard industrial vibe hard music for a hard city? or b) the melodic mid-tempo beats of say, World to World, or Never On Sunday or something. Just wondering like.. I'm quite interested in what you think.
Re: (313) Detroit Techno Cabaret? party
UR threw the cabaret last yearyou had to go to find out where the UR party was this year the UR party has been cancelled, but they still appear to be doing a cabareta cabaret is hard to explain...other than its a true detroit experiencei am sure someone else could explain better than mebut as far as i know its the only thing UR is doing this yearother than some of the guys playing various after parties...like scan 7 , suburban knight, buzz,ect...last years cabaret was one of my favorite eventsvery unique piece of detroit..it should be fun...i know i'll enjoy it michael www.renegaderhythms.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was checking the Technotourist afterparty section and used the link from the Detroit Techno Cabaret on Sunday @ the Baker to Baker Club - the link brought me to the Submerge tour info website - now I'm curious! What is the Detroit Techno Cabaret and how is it related to UR? MEK
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There are more aspects to it, but basically a cabaret is a party that runs all night. (from what I've been told/experienced) ...can someone confirm if I'm correct? -Original Message- From: MM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno Cabaret? party UR threw the cabaret last yearyou had to go to find out where the UR party was this year the UR party has been cancelled, but they still appear to be doing a cabareta cabaret is hard to explain...other than its a true detroit experiencei am sure someone else could explain better than mebut as far as i know its the only thing UR is doing this yearother than some of the guys playing various after parties...like scan 7 , suburban knight, buzz,ect...last years cabaret was one of my favorite eventsvery unique piece of detroit..it should be fun...i know i'll enjoy it michael www.renegaderhythms.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was checking the Technotourist afterparty section and used the link from the Detroit Techno Cabaret on Sunday @ the Baker to Baker Club - the link brought me to the Submerge tour info website - now I'm curious! What is the Detroit Techno Cabaret and how is it related to UR? MEK
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A cabaret is sort of a neighborhood dance party that is Bring Your Own Beer, rather than having alchohol sold at the venue. I would suggest drinking something classy like IceHouse, King Cobra, or best of all, Laser. Also, I'd like to suggest that out-of-towners try Ghetto Blaster beer, it's worth drinking just for the art on the label, actually it's a decent beer. -- Original Message - Subject: RE: (313) Detroit Techno Cabaret? party Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:21:59 -0400 From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MM [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are more aspects to it, but basically a cabaret is a party that runs all night. (from what I've been told/experienced) ..can someone confirm if I'm correct? -Original Message- From: MM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit Techno Cabaret? party UR threw the cabaret last yearyou had to go to find out where the UR party was this year the UR party has been cancelled, but they still appear to be doing a cabareta cabaret is hard to explain...other than its a true detroit experiencei am sure someone else could explain better than mebut as far as i know its the only thing UR is doing this yearother than some of the guys playing various after parties...like scan 7 , suburban knight, buzz,ect...last years cabaret was one of my favorite eventsvery unique piece of detroit..it should be fun...i know i'll enjoy it michael www.renegaderhythms.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was checking the Technotourist afterparty section and used the link from the Detroit Techno Cabaret on Sunday @ the Baker to Baker Club - the link brought me to the Submerge tour info website - now I'm curious! What is the Detroit Techno Cabaret and how is it related to UR? MEK
Re: (313) detroit techno mixtape for downnload
JM fully live and without preparations. JM one-time snapshot of the post christmas feelings ;-) JM get it from the download page http://www.iki.fi/deep/index.php?id=mixtapes or directly from http://www.iki.fi/deep/mixes/dj_athens_-_too_much_to_eat.mp3 JM oh, and did I mention that feedback is appreciated :-D Thanks for sharing, Jussi. It's a nice, smooth mix . . . just the way to ease my friday afternoon office anxiety. - Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon.
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paxahau.com has a bunch of lofi real audio mixes you can find mills, hawtin, acquaviva, ect online just about anywhere that mp3s are found I suggest soulseek, www.soulseek.org , but its flakey as hell. give nir some money. -Joe - Original Message - From: john harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:32 PM Subject: [313] detroit techno mixes does anyone know of any good detroit techno mixes on mp3 a recent up to date mix would be nice. not half-bar loopy stuff though! john - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ack, I think I missed the boat on this before it was removed. Sounds like it was a very well put together piece of work. In a distantly related matter, after procrastinating far too much, I finally picked up a copy of Dan Sicko's book, Techno Rebels at my local Barnes and Noble store last week. Thanks to my work schedule (and the advent of the Internet) I rarely have time to actually sit down and read through an actual book, but it only took a couple of pages of browsing to decide to purchase this and MAKE time to read. I hope to have it completed before Memorial Day weekend and perhaps find myself a bit more educated on matters relating to Techno, electronic music, and its fascinating history. ;) Matt E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.magicmattkelly.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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do you know any detroit techno radio stations i can listen during the day in england on the internet so probably mon - fri between7am and 1pm america - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Detroit techno thesis
On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Data General wrote: Dear 313, I have recently (today) finished the rough draft of my thesis on Detroit techno. It deals with some of the things that are brought up so often on this list, particularly race. I interviewed some incredible people including Dan Sicko, Brendan Gillen, and Anthony Shakir, and I dug through a lot of old archives and microfilms. It can get kind of theoretical at points, but I guess that's the way it goes with academic work. Still, I did my best to make it readable. Please consider this my contribution to the many threads on techno and race. And if you feel like it, let me know what you think. I'm open to revisions and suggestions. I've been thinking about doing a work like this for sometime...but because i'm a political scientist I was going to sit on it until I got tenure. This is publishable, with some minor work. Because it is publishable I make the following suggestions to you and everyone else: 1. Either take this off of the web, or somehow watermark it so no one else can claim it. If this were a small essay--like the thing I wrote about the demf sometime ago--I wouldn't ask you to take such a position. but this is something that can easily contribute to scholarship AND to your own pockets. 2. Get people to ask permission to use it...or even to send the url to others. THere are two people I think would really like this piece, for example, but I don't think it is appropriate in this case to send it until I get the ok from you. This way you know (at least a little) who has access to it. 3. DEVELOP THIS DEVELOP THIS DEVELOP THIS. this is good enough to make a career out of if you work at it. and if others on this list are similarly inclined, this type of work can lead to the sort of cultural revolution i've alluded to elsewhere peace lks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Detroit techno thesis
I read it as well and I thought it was very good but it can definitely use a spell check. Other than that I don't have many comments to make on it as it is. Excellent job. At 12:44 PM 3/12/2002 -0500, Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Data General wrote: Dear 313, I have recently (today) finished the rough draft of my thesis on Detroit techno. It deals with some of the things that are brought up so often on this list, particularly race. I interviewed some incredible people including Dan Sicko, Brendan Gillen, and Anthony Shakir, and I dug through a lot of old archives and microfilms. It can get kind of theoretical at points, but I guess that's the way it goes with academic work. Still, I did my best to make it readable. Please consider this my contribution to the many threads on techno and race. And if you feel like it, let me know what you think. I'm open to revisions and suggestions. I've been thinking about doing a work like this for sometime...but because i'm a political scientist I was going to sit on it until I got tenure. This is publishable, with some minor work. Because it is publishable I make the following suggestions to you and everyone else: 1. Either take this off of the web, or somehow watermark it so no one else can claim it. If this were a small essay--like the thing I wrote about the demf sometime ago--I wouldn't ask you to take such a position. but this is something that can easily contribute to scholarship AND to your own pockets. 2. Get people to ask permission to use it...or even to send the url to others. THere are two people I think would really like this piece, for example, but I don't think it is appropriate in this case to send it until I get the ok from you. This way you know (at least a little) who has access to it. 3. DEVELOP THIS DEVELOP THIS DEVELOP THIS. this is good enough to make a career out of if you work at it. and if others on this list are similarly inclined, this type of work can lead to the sort of cultural revolution i've alluded to elsewhere peace lks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Detroit Techno T-Shirts?
some time ago i saw transmat t's on the thier website but sadly no distribution in the uk. i too would be interested if anyone finds any further info.. -Original Message- From: meta elpH [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:34 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Detroit Techno T-Shirts? I need to buy some new clothes. Can anyone point me to some 313-ish T-Shirts. I have no idea why they are so hard to find. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Detroit Techno T-Shirts?
we can get you various trnamsat t-shirts and more mail me privately if you're interested. paul, innercity. - Original Message - From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 9:28 AM Subject: RE: [313] Detroit Techno T-Shirts? some time ago i saw transmat t's on the thier website but sadly no distribution in the uk. i too would be interested if anyone finds any further info.. -Original Message- From: meta elpH [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:34 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Detroit Techno T-Shirts? I need to buy some new clothes. Can anyone point me to some 313-ish T-Shirts. I have no idea why they are so hard to find. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Detroit Techno T-Shirts?
hi you can buy a lot of d label t-shirts at submerge can't you? i'm sure their site will be up and running again soon. check out some of their stock. nath Mann, Ravinder [CCS] wrote: some time ago i saw transmat t's on the thier website but sadly no distribution in the uk. i too would be interested if anyone finds any further info..
Re: [313] Detroit Techno T-Shirts?
Try Pure Detroit ( www.puredetroit.com ) which features gear by The Detroit Motor Co ( www.madeindetroit.com )... -Dustin - Original Message - From: meta elpH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:33 AM Subject: [313] Detroit Techno T-Shirts? I need to buy some new clothes. Can anyone point me to some 313-ish T-Shirts. I have no idea why they are so hard to find. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Detroit Techno T-Shirts?
what about the planet e 'gooderthanamutha*' shirt? From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Detroit Techno T-Shirts? Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:28:34 +0100 some time ago i saw transmat t's on the thier website but sadly no distribution in the uk. i too would be interested if anyone finds any further info.. -Original Message- From: meta elpH [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:34 AM To:313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Detroit Techno T-Shirts? I need to buy some new clothes. Can anyone point me to some 313-ish T-Shirts. I have no idea why they are so hard to find. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re:[313] Detroit Techno Artist
Ok, this may prove to be a good topic itself (trying not to sound like a school teacher but failing): Maybe the reason this list isn't much about Detroit artists anymore is because there really aren't a lot of artists producing at high output levels in Detroit, Why? What's happening or not happening in Detroit, how has the creative environment changed? Fred From: tristan watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: stuffed bird [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re:[313] Detroit Techno Artist Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:08:33 -0800 (PST) Let's not forget this is a Detroit list. We need some focus, but we can't be too narrow with how we define what's on-topic. Maybe the reason this list isn't much about Detroit artists anymore is because there really aren't a lot of artists producing at high output levels in Detroit, and most of us who are really into it already have had the good discussions on most of the Detroit artists. So we're left talking about events, new releases and controversies. Since there aren't a lot of new releases, there isn't a lot of discussion about Detroit. Thoughts on how to get back to the music from Detroit? What are we neglecting? Tristan --- stuffed bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right on T! I too believe that more people here should see things in a broader perspective. Do not confine to techno and detroit in particular. There are marvelous gems to be discovered in house, hiphop, ambient, whatever. It's music we should be talking about! RD Hey people I have learned one thing if nothing on 313. That is that their are some very cool and knowledgeable people out their, but please some people on 313 should try and expand your mind on the scene a little more. Ive mentioned Scan 7 , Keith Tucker , Strand (Kech Harringhton and Bryon Bonds), Optic Nerve, Aux 88, Adult, Anthony Shakir, Guys from Souther outpost Australia, The closer, Dj godfather, Sharod Ingram and a load of others who have been around for quite some time who are very well known respected, professional and dependable artist who show up at all gigs. Please people how many times can you hear a jeff mills record or derrick may record, not that I dont like them let's hear more than just that. Hey LISTEN TRY AND EXPAND TO SOMETHING ELSE. I READ ALL MESSAGES ON 313 AND I tell you it's not at all what it use to be. PLEASE PEOPLE I WELCOME ALL REPLIES AND RESPONSES Wow the time has come discuss and discover someone else. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Signup for FREE email and member home pages at http://www.turkey.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Re:[313] Detroit Techno Artist
-Original Message- From: Fred McMurry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Friday, February 23, 2001 7:44 PM Subject: Re:[313] Detroit Techno Artist Ok, this may prove to be a good topic itself (trying not to sound like a school teacher but failing): Maybe the reason this list isn't much about Detroit artists anymore is because there really aren't a lot of artists producing at high output levels in Detroit, Why? What's happening or not happening in Detroit, how has the creative environment changed? Fred Sorry. I may not have chosen my words too carefully. I just mean that Detroit producers have always taken their time, generally preferring quality to quantitiy output. Just saying: how many times can we go over the must-have works and undisputed genius of these artists once we've covered that ground? Therefore, we start talking more and more about the artists who have been influenced by them from other areas and we talk about their new stuff. We still talk about Detroit artists to our hearts content when there are new releases to discuss, but there is a large world of people influenced by Detroit, so there's more Detroit influenced music made outside of Detroit to talk about, and that goes some way to explaining why we discuss the rest of the world so much, and when we discuss Detroit artists it tends to have a nostalgic or gossipy edge to it. I was just trying to see if you all thought there were meaningful things we neglect in our furvor to dissect the irrelevent. Tristan -- Eleven mixes, one album, various tracks, pics and info here: http://www.mp3.com/stations/313 http://phonopsia.tripod.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] FrogboyMCI on AOL IM Deserve's Got Nothing to Do With it. -Clint Eastwood, Unforgiven _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] Detroit Techno Artist
right on - tons of great electronic music out there. send more links to the fine music and artists. everyone, especially me, needs to hear more music to develop more of a techno education and in the process experience some incredible music (maybe not everyone...). From: T Mind [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Detroit Techno Artist Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:43:53 - Hey people I have learned one thing if nothing on 313. That is that their are some very cool and knowledgeable people out their, but please some people on 313 should try and expand your mind on the scene a little more. Ive mentioned Scan 7 , Keith Tucker , Strand (Kech Harringhton and Bryon Bonds), Optic Nerve, Aux 88, Adult, Anthony Shakir, Guys from Souther outpost Australia, The closer, Dj godfather, Sharod Ingram and a load of others who have been around for quite some time who are very well known respected, professional and dependable artist who show up at all gigs. Please people how many times can you hear a jeff mills record or derrick may record, not that I dont like them let's hear more than just that. Hey LISTEN TRY AND EXPAND TO SOMETHING ELSE. I READ ALL MESSAGES ON 313 AND I tell you it's not at all what it use to be. PLEASE PEOPLE I WELCOME ALL REPLIES AND RESPONSES Wow the time has come discuss and discover someone else. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re:[313] Detroit Techno Artist
Right on T! I too believe that more people here should see things in a broader perspective. Do not confine to techno and detroit in particular. There are marvelous gems to be discovered in house, hiphop, ambient, whatever. It's music we should be talking about! RD Hey people I have learned one thing if nothing on 313. That is that their are some very cool and knowledgeable people out their, but please some people on 313 should try and expand your mind on the scene a little more. Ive mentioned Scan 7 , Keith Tucker , Strand (Kech Harringhton and Bryon Bonds), Optic Nerve, Aux 88, Adult, Anthony Shakir, Guys from Souther outpost Australia, The closer, Dj godfather, Sharod Ingram and a load of others who have been around for quite some time who are very well known respected, professional and dependable artist who show up at all gigs. Please people how many times can you hear a jeff mills record or derrick may record, not that I dont like them let's hear more than just that. Hey LISTEN TRY AND EXPAND TO SOMETHING ELSE. I READ ALL MESSAGES ON 313 AND I tell you it's not at all what it use to be. PLEASE PEOPLE I WELCOME ALL REPLIES AND RESPONSES Wow the time has come discuss and discover someone else. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Signup for FREE email and member home pages at http://www.turkey.com
Re:[313] Detroit Techno Artist
Let's not forget this is a Detroit list. We need some focus, but we can't be too narrow with how we define what's on-topic. Maybe the reason this list isn't much about Detroit artists anymore is because there really aren't a lot of artists producing at high output levels in Detroit, and most of us who are really into it already have had the good discussions on most of the Detroit artists. So we're left talking about events, new releases and controversies. Since there aren't a lot of new releases, there isn't a lot of discussion about Detroit. Thoughts on how to get back to the music from Detroit? What are we neglecting? Tristan --- stuffed bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right on T! I too believe that more people here should see things in a broader perspective. Do not confine to techno and detroit in particular. There are marvelous gems to be discovered in house, hiphop, ambient, whatever. It's music we should be talking about! RD Hey people I have learned one thing if nothing on 313. That is that their are some very cool and knowledgeable people out their, but please some people on 313 should try and expand your mind on the scene a little more. Ive mentioned Scan 7 , Keith Tucker , Strand (Kech Harringhton and Bryon Bonds), Optic Nerve, Aux 88, Adult, Anthony Shakir, Guys from Souther outpost Australia, The closer, Dj godfather, Sharod Ingram and a load of others who have been around for quite some time who are very well known respected, professional and dependable artist who show up at all gigs. Please people how many times can you hear a jeff mills record or derrick may record, not that I dont like them let's hear more than just that. Hey LISTEN TRY AND EXPAND TO SOMETHING ELSE. I READ ALL MESSAGES ON 313 AND I tell you it's not at all what it use to be. PLEASE PEOPLE I WELCOME ALL REPLIES AND RESPONSES Wow the time has come discuss and discover someone else. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Signup for FREE email and member home pages at http://www.turkey.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/
RE: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno?
I spose everyone has their different ideas... Looking back in time the origins are blurred. It doesn't really matter anyhow... What characterises the detroit sound?.. What does detroit techno actually sound like? I prefer music to be a stew of influences, which everyone interprets differently and creates new offshoots where their own ideas and mentality come into play... Techno probably doesn't necessarily have to be electronic... what is techno?... I assume it's possible to make techno without using electronic instuments(?). What is music anyway? Where do you draw the line between music and just sound and noise? Nick (Dj Pacific:) --- Sean Deason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes Virginia, Detroit Techno is very funky! reminds me of a conversation I had with a girl at a bar couple weeks back. she was trying to explain to me the difference between techno and electronic music i couldnt seem to get my head around what she was saying (to me techno *is* electronic music) since she obviously knew more on the subject than I ever would she was adamant that techno meant hard/harsh/fast and that electronic was more pretty/musical/ambient sounding. I finally conceeded to her superior knowledge on the subject. learn something new everyday. I've had numerous conversations like this where people explain to me what techno is or isnt and explain to me why the rest of the world is so much more clued in to the whole techno thing than Detroit is :^) guess we just havent caught on yet. -sean -Original Message- From: ab [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 9:37 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno? Lay wrote: In an interview I made with Derrick some time ago, I asked him about the influence of House in his music. Here's the answer: «L: What influence has House Music had in your music making? DM: It had an influence. The club scene in Chicago was extremely powerfull when I was young and had a great impression in my way of thinking and the way I felt about the music. It pushed me even deeper on the soulfull side. That's why I think the electronic music that I was doing was realy... personal.» Derrick May, as the most prominant (and best?) Detroit techno DJ, has always rated Ron Hardy as probably the BEST club DJ ever. What goes around, comes around... ~Askew the first time i saw derrick may live i thought he was playing 'house'. I have no idea about techno or house but it sounded like what i would call house music. It was later explained to me that he was playing techno - i never thought techno was all funked up!! i still have no idea! ab - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Detroit techno was techno.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: techno and house was (nearly) the same thing, Yeah but they were differant. I don't buy the argument that house and techno were the same thing because people would call Nude Photo , Off To Battle and No UFOs DETROIT TECHNO. Detroit techno had its own characteristic sound even though it used some of the same elements of Chicago house. Inner City was vocal house but it had a distinct Detroit techno quality that distinguished it from Jersey garage or Chicago house. i`ve got a question for all who like playing genre-defining games: what`s up with blake baxters when we used to play (co-produced by Kevin Saunderson) on KMS (a detroit record ofcourse)? house or techno? That was called Detroit techno, in fact I remember people in the late 80's associated labels like Transmat, KMS, Metroplex with Detroit techno. If you want the definitive old school Detroit techno sound listen to Juan's' Techno Music from Techno! The Sound Of Detroit compilation. stephen.
Re: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno?
Christian Smith ought to read Dan's book. Chicago house and Detroit techno were well intertwined in their development, but no way is Detroit techno just an offshoot of house, nor was Chicago unaffected by those early Detroit tracks. Nowadays I think of them as co-evolutionary. One factor that is overlooked is that mix shows had a big impact in both cities, but they functioned somewhat differently. Everyone wants a single source for everything in their origin myths. Here's a classic example of why things don't go that simply. phred
Re: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno?
On 30 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chicago house and Detroit techno were well intertwined in their development, but no way is Detroit techno just an offshoot of house, nor was Chicago unaffected by those early Detroit tracks. Yeah. Some of the real old school house has a synthetic Kraftwerk-y sound to it that very much reflects the same influences that informed Detroit techno. And remember that the Bellville kids were driving over to Chicago to go clubbing and buy records with some frequency. I guess the best way to put it is that people who are into the music will go for anything that kicks. And there is plenty of house music in Detroit -- Check TP, check the Atlanta-era records on Acacia, Moodyman? I think it's really incorrect to talk about being a Detroit Techno Purist. Techno has always been about throwing many different spices in the pot.
Re: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno?
Haye! In an interview I made with Derrick some time ago, I asked him about the influence of House in his music. Here's the answer: «L: What influence has House Music had in your music making? DM: It had an influence. The club scene in Chicago was extremely powerfull when I was young and had a great impression in my way of thinking and the way I felt about the music. It pushed me even deeper on the soulfull side. That's why I think the electronic music that I was doing was realy... personal.» Lay Unconditional Empowerment http:://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno?
Lay wrote: In an interview I made with Derrick some time ago, I asked him about the influence of House in his music. Here's the answer: «L: What influence has House Music had in your music making? DM: It had an influence. The club scene in Chicago was extremely powerfull when I was young and had a great impression in my way of thinking and the way I felt about the music. It pushed me even deeper on the soulfull side. That's why I think the electronic music that I was doing was realy... personal.» Derrick May, as the most prominant (and best?) Detroit techno DJ, has always rated Ron Hardy as probably the BEST club DJ ever. What goes around, comes around... ~Askew _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno?
Lay wrote: In an interview I made with Derrick some time ago, I asked him about the influence of House in his music. Here's the answer: «L: What influence has House Music had in your music making? DM: It had an influence. The club scene in Chicago was extremely powerfull when I was young and had a great impression in my way of thinking and the way I felt about the music. It pushed me even deeper on the soulfull side. That's why I think the electronic music that I was doing was realy... personal.» Derrick May, as the most prominant (and best?) Detroit techno DJ, has always rated Ron Hardy as probably the BEST club DJ ever. What goes around, comes around... ~Askew the first time i saw derrick may live i thought he was playing 'house'. I have no idea about techno or house but it sounded like what i would call house music. It was later explained to me that he was playing techno - i never thought techno was all funked up!! i still have no idea! ab
