Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
I think with the highest battery pack in a Model S you can get across the country. Through one route. No off route stops. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 10:40 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: There are still TONS of places you can't drive between their charger stations and get around the country. Check out their map and see. The funny thing to me is they make all these announcements of a $35,000 car, but not available until 2017. Really? You've had the last 3-5 years to be working on it, why is it another two years to actually have something? Travis On 1/15/2015 7:35 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Tell that to Tesla. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:33 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to squeeze into the market, etc. It's multiple birds with one stone. US oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up production again. The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad for them, but all bubbles burst. A lot of Americans will have a net benefit. Macroeconomics is complex. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: From what I've read the drop is pretty much exclusively because of OPEC. On Tuesday, January 13, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: I think a lot of the low prices are due to abundance of oil right here in the US from Fracking and Tar sands from Canada. I bet eventually when the additional pipeline capacity is completed it may drive things even lower, but that is just my thought. It would be nice if they could do the same with grain. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:53 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: I dont know how petroleum stores, the costs of operating, etc. But I look at it as right now being a great time to get in on it, when the rubber band snaps, you would already be at peak production capacity,
Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
For 2017, they are saying 200 miles, right when my lease ends. But really, they have announced everything from 150-400 miles so who knows. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices I saw an announcement that the Leaf range will increase, but not double. Tesla announced a 30 % increase in the same form factor. Did Nissan really say double? From: Rory Conawaymailto:r...@triadwireless.net Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:04 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices They have a functioning Aluminum Air battery for cars that can go 1000 miles but you can’t recharge it. It has to be removed and reconditioned. But the lithium-iron batteries are showing great promise and carbon batteries also have a lot promise. Nissan announced double the range of the next Leaf for example in 2017 and I don’t see the battery getting larger so something is coming. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:01 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices I did see someone talk about a cell phone battery that lasted weeks. Could be related technology. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:59:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices I think we are on the cusp of new battery technologies. I believe there are two of them that should triple the range of existing battery packs and getting production of them is just starting. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:40 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices There are still TONS of places you can't drive between their charger stations and get around the country. Check out their map and see. The funny thing to me is they make all these announcements of a $35,000 car, but not available until 2017. Really? You've had the last 3-5 years to be working on it, why is it another two years to actually have something? Travis On 1/15/2015 7:35 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Tell that to Tesla. From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:33 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? From: Forrest Christian (List Account)mailto:li...@packetflux.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM To: afmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources
Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
The Coal industry here has been bad and it's already showing signs that it's about to be worse. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Yep, they are getting ready for the new EPA regulations to pretty much put them out of business and have closed boatloads of mines. Lots of people out of work in Kentucky right now. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices Wow coal dropped didn't it? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 11:03 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: What's really funny is that everyone thinks electricity is free. We are still using natural resources to make the electricity: In 2013, energy sources and percent share of total electricity generation were - Coal 39% - Natural Gas 27% - Nuclear 19% - Hydropower 7% - Other Renewable 6% - Biomass 1.48% - Geothermal 0.41% - Solar 0.23% - Wind 4.13% - Petroleum 1% - Other Gases 1% So coal and natural gas make up 66% of electricity production. Travis On 1/15/2015 8:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Batteries suck too much for that to happen IMO. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 10:48 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Hydrogen seems like a better option to me, or at least a hydrogen hybrid. Normally charge at home, work, whatever, but have a hydrogen tank for range and quick fill up. That or a major increase in the electrical systems to have charging stations all over and you plug in everywhere you go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:33:33 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
Maybe we need a fake ISIS tweet telling all jihadists to do this. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Darwinism. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 11:28 AM, Brian Sullivan installe...@foxvalley.net wrote: Scary thing is, there are lightly secured tower sites all over America. Some 15 year old will eventually try this. On 1/15/2015 10:25 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Heh. Video just hit the front page of CNN. On January 15, 2015 7:17:16 AM AKST, Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's pretty unlikely that permission wasn't given, since it's on GoPro's youtube channel... but it was still a bad idea. I would bet that the guy that got killed watched this video before he went out and tried it. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Jon Bruce jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com wrote: Why does everyone assume permission was not given? On 1/15/2015 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote: Idiots…. And, yeah, also pretty irresponsible of GoPro to have it on their Youtube channel. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:57 PM To: WISPA General List; af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] holy crap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officerspitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
On 1/15/15 7:25 AM, That One Guy wrote: Excluding license fees, high quality unlicensed radios are at or higher than the cost of licensed radios. Granted this is my limited experience with one link and five vendors vetted. The trade off in path profile validity with no interference has an immeasurable value, pricing the licensed links way under the unlicensed gear. you also want to take into account the price point keeping the spectrum cleaner. If say UBNT came out with some licensed link at 2k. Everybody and their brother would hop on those links, eat up the available spectrum shut down the market, leaving you only the option to put fiber in the ground, now that licensed link wouldnt seem so expensive. I dont want to see licensed links come down in price for that very reason alone. We cover an area where the average joe is priced out of that market, we just finally got to the point we can get into licensed links on a small scale. I know there are alot of regular entities putting up air fiber to get 100mbit throughput. There are tons of ptp cambium radios in the air around here, all of which would be licensed links if they came down even 5%. Then there would be nothing left in a short period of time How optimistic to think that people that would buy a licensed band UBNT goldfish would actually license it with the FCC. They'd probably just turn it on with the highest power and widest channel it supports and f*ck over everyone else chasing down interference. ~Seth
[AFMUG] Custom Poe Injector
I would like to find something like this. http://www.wlanparts.com/tycon/poe-yinj-s-passive-poe-y-injector/ Only I want it to send 24 volts out both ends but in different polarities. Female end will power up a Canopy SM while male end will power up Mikrotik router. That way I can provide a managed router and CPE that only uses one AC outlet. Anyone seen anything like that or know where I can have it made?
Re: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn
Mikrotik. PPTP is my favorite. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:42 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: What us the best way to do a site to site vpn. I have a site 30 miles and 17 miles from my office and would like to make radio changes from my office if possible
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
On 1/15/15 9:52, Mike Hammett wrote: Without shooting the offending equipment, there's not much you can do other than call the FCC. One of them was Towerstream. I would have thought they'd know better but I was incorrect. I'd noticed someone hanging a 2' antenna few weeks before they called me and steered them that direction. The most recent one I don't know who it is. Basically every time they get stepped on they give me a call to ask if I've noticed any new antennas or crews doing something or are seeing anything on my paths. So no, I don't think it's angsty to presume people would just fire up affordable licensed gear without coordination when it's already a problem with irresponsible people getting their hands on licensed gear at the current price. They have an attidue of I paid money for this so nobody's gonna tell me what I can do with it. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Verizon LTE frequency band
That's my understanding. When the FCC switched broadcast TV to digital,
the upper part of the broadcast TV spectrum was auctioned off. Verizon got
most of it I believe that's what they are using for the bulk of their LTE
for now.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:
Is Verizon using 700Mhz for their LTE service?
Jaime Solorza
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Re: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn
Sweet I have mikrotiks, I just need the expert now!! On Jan 15, 2015 12:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Sure you can. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 1:29 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Can I do multiple sites? Or just point A to point B On Jan 15, 2015 12:09 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Link technologies or butch evans can set this up for you Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn Date: Thu, Jan 15, 2015 11:42 AM What us the best way to do a site to site vpn. I have a site 30 miles and 17 miles from my office and would like to make radio changes from my office if possible
Re: [AFMUG] UglyPoE Mk. II
I have the AP velcroed to the battery shoe.. Ended up using the regular DC jack to power it. And yeah, the switch toggles polarity. I think Mk. III is going to be completely contained in one small enclosure, and will be powered by a Lithium battery of some sort, to save weight and size. vlad On 1/15/2015 11:25 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: How does the map2 get on the battery? Does that switch change polarity for that moto pigtail? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 12:22 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com mailto:v...@atlasok.com wrote: Ok, so I followed the advice from the list.. Got a couple of mAP2n doohickeys. Then made this. It turned out uglier than the first one. Funciton over form.. blah. Very simple config.. single SSID with masquerading to access all different radios from a cellphone. vlad
Re: [AFMUG] UglyPoE Mk. II
I'm using Hitachi batteries. More than enough juice and it leaves us with 1 charger and 1 battery type. Extra chargers/parts/etc sound messy. In case you didn't see, here is mine: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jhvnb78exjx7t42/2015-01-08%2016.45.02.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com wrote: I have the AP velcroed to the battery shoe.. Ended up using the regular DC jack to power it. And yeah, the switch toggles polarity. I think Mk. III is going to be completely contained in one small enclosure, and will be powered by a Lithium battery of some sort, to save weight and size. vlad On 1/15/2015 11:25 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: How does the map2 get on the battery? Does that switch change polarity for that moto pigtail? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 12:22 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com wrote: Ok, so I followed the advice from the list.. Got a couple of mAP2n doohickeys. Then made this. It turned out uglier than the first one. Funciton over form.. blah. Very simple config.. single SSID with masquerading to access all different radios from a cellphone. vlad
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
Without shooting the offending equipment, there's not much you can do other than call the FCC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 11:49:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous On 1/15/15 9:36, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 1/15/15 9:12, Josh Reynolds wrote: This email has more angst than my 15 year old at 8am on a Saturday. On January 15, 2015 8:09:07 AM AKST, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us I can give you the contact of a licensee that's having the problem I described on a smaller scale if you think you can hep them. They have not been amused. Actually it's a community college, and ULS isn't exactly secret. Give WQRP301 a call. They are having repeated problems with people stepping on their 18GHz paths without issuing a PCN. If you have advice to give instead of being smug about my opinion on the problem that's be more helpful. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn
Can I do multiple sites? Or just point A to point B On Jan 15, 2015 12:09 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Link technologies or butch evans can set this up for you Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn Date: Thu, Jan 15, 2015 11:42 AM What us the best way to do a site to site vpn. I have a site 30 miles and 17 miles from my office and would like to make radio changes from my office if possible
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
This email has more angst than my 15 year old at 8am on a Saturday. On January 15, 2015 8:09:07 AM AKST, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 7:25 AM, That One Guy wrote: Excluding license fees, high quality unlicensed radios are at or higher than the cost of licensed radios. Granted this is my limited experience with one link and five vendors vetted. The trade off in path profile validity with no interference has an immeasurable value, pricing the licensed links way under the unlicensed gear. you also want to take into account the price point keeping the spectrum cleaner. If say UBNT came out with some licensed link at 2k. Everybody and their brother would hop on those links, eat up the available spectrum shut down the market, leaving you only the option to put fiber in the ground, now that licensed link wouldnt seem so expensive. I dont want to see licensed links come down in price for that very reason alone. We cover an area where the average joe is priced out of that market, we just finally got to the point we can get into licensed links on a small scale. I know there are alot of regular entities putting up air fiber to get 100mbit throughput. There are tons of ptp cambium radios in the air around here, all of which would be licensed links if they came down even 5%. Then there would be nothing left in a short period of time How optimistic to think that people that would buy a licensed band UBNT goldfish would actually license it with the FCC. They'd probably just turn it on with the highest power and widest channel it supports and f*ck over everyone else chasing down interference. ~Seth -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] Custom Poe Injector
This would be pretty easy to engineer. I already have a PCB that does 66% of this, adding a barrel connection to the board would be trivial. Cost would likely be about 4-7 dollars per device. All passive components so any voltage would be used. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 11:47:38 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Custom Poe Injector I would like to find something like this. http://www.wlanparts.com/tycon/poe-yinj-s-passive-poe-y-injector/ Only I want it to send 24 volts out both ends but in different polarities. Female end will power up a Canopy SM while male end will power up Mikrotik router. That way I can provide a managed router and CPE that only uses one AC outlet. Anyone seen anything like that or know where I can have it made?
Re: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn
Sure you can. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 1:29 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Can I do multiple sites? Or just point A to point B On Jan 15, 2015 12:09 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Link technologies or butch evans can set this up for you Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn Date: Thu, Jan 15, 2015 11:42 AM What us the best way to do a site to site vpn. I have a site 30 miles and 17 miles from my office and would like to make radio changes from my office if possible
Re: [AFMUG] UglyPoE Mk. II
The reason I went with these batteries is that we had tons of them that just got re-packed, but the drills were just too worn out to be useful. I've also been looking at one of these for a power source... Mainly cause they can be used for other stuff when needed, like charge a cell phone, boost a car, etc. http://www.lowes.com/pd_573361-74342-CA-9801_0__?productId=50179123 Vlad On 1/15/2015 11:42 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm using Hitachi batteries. More than enough juice and it leaves us with 1 charger and 1 battery type. Extra chargers/parts/etc sound messy. In case you didn't see, here is mine: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jhvnb78exjx7t42/2015-01-08%2016.45.02.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com mailto:v...@atlasok.com wrote: I have the AP velcroed to the battery shoe.. Ended up using the regular DC jack to power it. And yeah, the switch toggles polarity. I think Mk. III is going to be completely contained in one small enclosure, and will be powered by a Lithium battery of some sort, to save weight and size. vlad On 1/15/2015 11:25 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: How does the map2 get on the battery? Does that switch change polarity for that moto pigtail? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 12:22 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com mailto:v...@atlasok.com wrote: Ok, so I followed the advice from the list.. Got a couple of mAP2n doohickeys. Then made this. It turned out uglier than the first one. Funciton over form.. blah. Very simple config.. single SSID with masquerading to access all different radios from a cellphone. vlad
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
If they are interfering with a licensed link, call the FCC. On January 15, 2015 8:36:39 AM AKST, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 9:12, Josh Reynolds wrote: This email has more angst than my 15 year old at 8am on a Saturday. On January 15, 2015 8:09:07 AM AKST, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us I can give you the contact of a licensee that's having the problem I described on a smaller scale if you think you can hep them. They have not been amused. ~Seth -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn
Link technologies or butch evans can set this up for you Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn Date: Thu, Jan 15, 2015 11:42 AM What us the best way to do a site to site vpn. I have a site 30 miles and 17 miles from my office and would like to make radio changes from my office if possible
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
On 1/15/15 9:12, Josh Reynolds wrote: This email has more angst than my 15 year old at 8am on a Saturday. On January 15, 2015 8:09:07 AM AKST, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us I can give you the contact of a licensee that's having the problem I described on a smaller scale if you think you can hep them. They have not been amused. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] UglyPoE Mk. II
How does the map2 get on the battery? Does that switch change polarity for that moto pigtail? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 12:22 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com wrote: Ok, so I followed the advice from the list.. Got a couple of mAP2n doohickeys. Then made this. It turned out uglier than the first one. Funciton over form.. blah. Very simple config.. single SSID with masquerading to access all different radios from a cellphone. vlad
[AFMUG] Site to site vpn
What us the best way to do a site to site vpn. I have a site 30 miles and 17 miles from my office and would like to make radio changes from my office if possible
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
On 1/15/15 9:36, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 1/15/15 9:12, Josh Reynolds wrote: This email has more angst than my 15 year old at 8am on a Saturday. On January 15, 2015 8:09:07 AM AKST, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us I can give you the contact of a licensee that's having the problem I described on a smaller scale if you think you can hep them. They have not been amused. Actually it's a community college, and ULS isn't exactly secret. Give WQRP301 a call. They are having repeated problems with people stepping on their 18GHz paths without issuing a PCN. If you have advice to give instead of being smug about my opinion on the problem that's be more helpful. ~Seth
[AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available
We have released 13.3 officially today. I know many of you have been participating in the beta for this, and want to thank you for all the feedback which has helped make it better… https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/ We also have a thread dedicated to discussion of this release: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-3-Now-Avaialble/m-p/37969#U37969 Download and enjoy all the new functionality this brings to the platform! Thanks again, Matt
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP force 110 installation
Oh be careful when you push the radio up, hold the cables down towards the dish. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 10:43 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Left to left, right to right. You don't cross cables. Also, it doesn't matter except in the event you do a single pol spectrum scan. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 10:39 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: My guys assembled the Force 110 dishes and promptly threw away the instructions. I'm trying to hook up the radio now, which coax is connected to which lead on the radio? There is the black banded coax, and the grey banded coax. The cambium site is being less than usefull as it keeps requesting me to enter all info for marketing, even though I'm logged in. Google isn't being much help either.
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
Heh. Video just hit the front page of CNN. On January 15, 2015 7:17:16 AM AKST, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's pretty unlikely that permission wasn't given, since it's on GoPro's youtube channel... but it was still a bad idea. I would bet that the guy that got killed watched this video before he went out and tried it. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Jon Bruce jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com wrote: Why does everyone assume permission was not given? On 1/15/2015 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote: Idiots…. And, yeah, also pretty irresponsible of GoPro to have it on their Youtube channel. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:57 PM *To:* WISPA General List; af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] holy crap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
No... they'd probably take a bomb along for good measure and start wrecking all our towers. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Maybe we need a fake ISIS tweet telling all jihadists to do this. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:29 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Darwinism. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 11:28 AM, Brian Sullivan installe...@foxvalley.net wrote: Scary thing is, there are lightly secured tower sites all over America. Some 15 year old will eventually try this. On 1/15/2015 10:25 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Heh. Video just hit the front page of CNN. On January 15, 2015 7:17:16 AM AKST, Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's pretty unlikely that permission wasn't given, since it's on GoPro's youtube channel... but it was still a bad idea. I would bet that the guy that got killed watched this video before he went out and tried it. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Jon Bruce jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com wrote: Why does everyone assume permission was not given? On 1/15/2015 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote: Idiots…. And, yeah, also pretty irresponsible of GoPro to have it on their Youtube channel. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:57 PM *To:* WISPA General List; af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] holy crap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
Im for nuclear power cells. That will turn out fine. A fission reactor for everyone. Microreactors so you dont even have to find batteries for your remote control. If humans werent inherently irresponsible, it would be a viable direction to go. I do think we are on the verge of high capacity, low weight, small form factor energy storage. This drop in fuel prices may actually force growth in the market. Up until this point it was always just a speculation that Oil prices were artificially set. The fact the a simple production (using the word simple very loosely) decision could drop the prices so quickly and so drastically proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that those handful of decision makers have the ability to drive those costs to whatever they please. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Batteries suck too much for that to happen IMO. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 10:48 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Hydrogen seems like a better option to me, or at least a hydrogen hybrid. Normally charge at home, work, whatever, but have a hydrogen tank for range and quick fill up. That or a major increase in the electrical systems to have charging stations all over and you plug in everywhere you go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:33:33 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to squeeze into the market, etc. It's multiple birds with one stone. US oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up production again. The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad for them, but all bubbles burst. A lot of Americans will
Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
Wow coal dropped didn't it? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 11:03 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: What's really funny is that everyone thinks electricity is free. We are still using natural resources to make the electricity: In 2013, energy sources and percent share of total electricity generation were - Coal 39% - Natural Gas 27% - Nuclear 19% - Hydropower 7% - Other Renewable 6% - Biomass 1.48% - Geothermal 0.41% - Solar 0.23% - Wind 4.13% - Petroleum 1% - Other Gases 1% So coal and natural gas make up 66% of electricity production. Travis On 1/15/2015 8:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Batteries suck too much for that to happen IMO. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 10:48 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Hydrogen seems like a better option to me, or at least a hydrogen hybrid. Normally charge at home, work, whatever, but have a hydrogen tank for range and quick fill up. That or a major increase in the electrical systems to have charging stations all over and you plug in everywhere you go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:33:33 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to squeeze into the market, etc. It's multiple birds with one stone. US oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up production again. The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad for them, but all bubbles burst. A lot of Americans will have a net benefit. Macroeconomics is complex. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jason
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
I think it's pretty unlikely that permission wasn't given, since it's on GoPro's youtube channel... but it was still a bad idea. I would bet that the guy that got killed watched this video before he went out and tried it. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Jon Bruce jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com wrote: Why does everyone assume permission was not given? On 1/15/2015 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote: Idiots…. And, yeah, also pretty irresponsible of GoPro to have it on their Youtube channel. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:57 PM *To:* WISPA General List; af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] holy crap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
All good points, not sure they address Erich’s issue of needing more bandwidth per link without multiple antennas per link on the tower. I think he’s saying an IP20 class radio is too expensive, and over the next few years lots of us are going to need that kind of radio. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous Pull all of the active licenses with old ass gear and feed their contact information to the vendors? ;-) Maybe newer gear for hte existing guys would cut down on how much they need. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:25:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous 10 GHz unlicensed would help. I sometimes think the license protections are a bit excessive. Maybe loosen the geographic restrictions on 7 GHz and 13 GHz? Maybe some effort into getting 4 GHz and other legacy PtP bands opened back up? They don't have a ton of room and don't allow for huge channels, but some is better than none and maybe since the HFT guys care more about lower latency and less about throughput, they''ll build longer hops and leave our 11 and 6 gig alone? ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:18:58 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous You could drive around to all of the HFT sites and look for links that are no longer there, but still licensed. Document. Come back 30 days later and document again, submit to the FCC (or wherever Liz says is best) and have those licenses revoked. ;-) But yeah, I do like Ceragon's 4x4 setup. Two radio heads, four transmitters, two licenses, tons of bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:15:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous The conversation goes deeper. In several areas we are out of spectrum, it may be due to HFT or just plain out. So most WISPs if they have deployed Licensed, they have to deal with what spectrum they have. The question is, where do you see the licensed backhaul market in the next few years, are they just going to be adding qams or finding other creative ways to add capacity? I am not in the WISP business anymore so I have decided to try and focus on the things that drove me nuts to help others. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower Consulting er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: Your issue is really then with promo’s and capacity keys – which is marketing and different ways to make revenue on a product. Just like the PtMP space, not all PtP vendors do capacity keys and play those games either. Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous From my experience the price has not changed very much. Someone needs to take the reigns on the market. Even with certain companies throwing you a promo price, if you really look at it fully loaded, the price is still high for what you get. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: I think we're already seeing it. They're not wifi chipset based radio kind of prices, but they can be found for less than half of what you could get them for just a few years ago. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: After several years, when will we see Licensed radios come down in price? There is so much margin in these things. Its ridiculous
Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
Hydrogen seems like a better option to me, or at least a hydrogen hybrid. Normally charge at home, work, whatever, but have a hydrogen tank for range and quick fill up. That or a major increase in the electrical systems to have charging stations all over and you plug in everywhere you go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:33:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: blockquote Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: blockquote There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to squeeze into the market, etc. It's multiple birds with one stone. US oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up production again. The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad for them, but all bubbles burst. A lot of Americans will have a net benefit. Macroeconomics is complex. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: From what I've read the drop is pretty much exclusively because of OPEC. On Tuesday, January 13, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: I think a lot of the low prices are due to abundance of oil right here in the US from Fracking and Tar sands from Canada. I bet eventually when the additional pipeline capacity is completed it may drive things even lower, but that is just my thought. It would be nice if they could do the same with grain. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:53 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: I dont know how petroleum stores, the costs of operating, etc. But I look at it as right now being a great time to get in on it, when the rubber band snaps, you would already be at peak production capacity, without the export and shipping to get it to its destination, in North America at least. This is an artificially deflated market, it cant be sustained since it is inherently and artificially inflated market. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:19 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: The investment has already been made
Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
What's really funny is that everyone thinks electricity is free. We are still using natural resources to make the electricity: In 2013, energy sources and percent share of total electricity generation were * Coal 39% * Natural Gas 27% * Nuclear 19% * Hydropower 7% * Other Renewable 6% o Biomass 1.48% o Geothermal 0.41% o Solar 0.23% o Wind 4.13% * Petroleum 1% * Other Gases 1% So coal and natural gas make up 66% of electricity production. Travis On 1/15/2015 8:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Batteries suck too much for that to happen IMO. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 10:48 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Hydrogen seems like a better option to me, or at least a hydrogen hybrid. Normally charge at home, work, whatever, but have a hydrogen tank for range and quick fill up. That or a major increase in the electrical systems to have charging stations all over and you plug in everywhere you go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:33:33 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) mailto:li...@packetflux.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* af mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at
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Batteries suck too much for that to happen IMO. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 10:48 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Hydrogen seems like a better option to me, or at least a hydrogen hybrid. Normally charge at home, work, whatever, but have a hydrogen tank for range and quick fill up. That or a major increase in the electrical systems to have charging stations all over and you plug in everywhere you go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:33:33 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to squeeze into the market, etc. It's multiple birds with one stone. US oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up production again. The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad for them, but all bubbles burst. A lot of Americans will have a net benefit. Macroeconomics is complex. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: From what I've read the drop is pretty much exclusively because of OPEC. On Tuesday, January 13, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: I think a lot of the low prices are due to abundance of oil right here in the US from Fracking and Tar sands from Canada. I bet eventually when the additional pipeline capacity is completed it may drive things even lower, but that is just my thought. It would be nice if they could do the same with grain. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:53 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: I dont know how petroleum stores, the costs of operating, etc. But I look at it as right now being a great time to get in on it, when
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I think we are on the cusp of new battery technologies. I believe there are two of them that should triple the range of existing battery packs and getting production of them is just starting. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices There are still TONS of places you can't drive between their charger stations and get around the country. Check out their map and see. The funny thing to me is they make all these announcements of a $35,000 car, but not available until 2017. Really? You've had the last 3-5 years to be working on it, why is it another two years to actually have something? Travis On 1/15/2015 7:35 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Tell that to Tesla. From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:33 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? From: Forrest Christian (List Account)mailto:li...@packetflux.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM To: afmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.commailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to squeeze into the market, etc. It's multiple birds with one stone. US oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up production again. The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad for them, but all bubbles burst. A lot of Americans will have a net benefit. Macroeconomics is complex. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: From what I've read the drop is pretty much exclusively because of OPEC. On Tuesday, January 13, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: I think a lot of the low prices are due to abundance of oil right here in the US from Fracking and Tar sands from Canada. I bet eventually when the additional pipeline capacity is completed it may drive things even lower, but that is just my thought. It would be nice if they could do the same with grain. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:53 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.commailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: I dont know how
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but travis, theyre putting up windfarms as fast as the blades can be produced, thats free electricity, right? There is so much electricity shunting as wast on the grid, something that could recover that and reintroduce it to the grid or store it, thats where a guy would be rich, that is free electricity. I wish that there would be a nuclear reality push to educate the public on how safe it actually is. For the production capacity and small footprint, there is no better technology in use today. If humans werent also inherently moronic sheep they would understand how safe this is. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: What's really funny is that everyone thinks electricity is free. We are still using natural resources to make the electricity: In 2013, energy sources and percent share of total electricity generation were - Coal 39% - Natural Gas 27% - Nuclear 19% - Hydropower 7% - Other Renewable 6% - Biomass 1.48% - Geothermal 0.41% - Solar 0.23% - Wind 4.13% - Petroleum 1% - Other Gases 1% So coal and natural gas make up 66% of electricity production. Travis On 1/15/2015 8:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Batteries suck too much for that to happen IMO. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 10:48 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Hydrogen seems like a better option to me, or at least a hydrogen hybrid. Normally charge at home, work, whatever, but have a hydrogen tank for range and quick fill up. That or a major increase in the electrical systems to have charging stations all over and you plug in everywhere you go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:33:33 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in the face, cranks down on the
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Darwinism. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 11:28 AM, Brian Sullivan installe...@foxvalley.net wrote: Scary thing is, there are lightly secured tower sites all over America. Some 15 year old will eventually try this. On 1/15/2015 10:25 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Heh. Video just hit the front page of CNN. On January 15, 2015 7:17:16 AM AKST, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's pretty unlikely that permission wasn't given, since it's on GoPro's youtube channel... but it was still a bad idea. I would bet that the guy that got killed watched this video before he went out and tried it. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Jon Bruce jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com wrote: Why does everyone assume permission was not given? On 1/15/2015 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote: Idiots…. And, yeah, also pretty irresponsible of GoPro to have it on their Youtube channel. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:57 PM *To:* WISPA General List; af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] holy crap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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There are still TONS of places you can't drive between their charger stations and get around the country. Check out their map and see. The funny thing to me is they make all these announcements of a $35,000 car, but not available until 2017. Really? You've had the last 3-5 years to be working on it, why is it another two years to actually have something? Travis On 1/15/2015 7:35 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Tell that to Tesla. *From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:33 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) mailto:li...@packetflux.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* af mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to squeeze into the market, etc. It's multiple birds with one stone. US oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up production again. The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad for them, but all bubbles burst. A lot of Americans will have a net benefit. Macroeconomics is complex. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: From what I've read the drop is pretty much exclusively because of OPEC. On Tuesday, January 13, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: I think a lot of the low prices are due to abundance of oil right here in the US from Fracking and Tar sands from Canada. I bet eventually when the
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People keep saying that and those companies keep being closed up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 10:59 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I think we are on the cusp of new battery technologies. I believe there are two of them that should triple the range of existing battery packs and getting production of them is just starting. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:40 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices There are still TONS of places you can't drive between their charger stations and get around the country. Check out their map and see. The funny thing to me is they make all these announcements of a $35,000 car, but not available until 2017. Really? You've had the last 3-5 years to be working on it, why is it another two years to actually have something? Travis On 1/15/2015 7:35 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Tell that to Tesla. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:33 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to squeeze into the market, etc. It's multiple birds with one stone. US oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up production again. The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad for them, but all bubbles burst. A lot of Americans will have a net benefit. Macroeconomics is complex. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: From what I've read the drop is pretty much exclusively because of OPEC. On Tuesday, January 13, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: I think a lot of the low prices are due to abundance of oil right here in the US from Fracking and Tar sands from Canada. I bet eventually when the additional pipeline capacity is completed it may drive things even lower, but that is just my thought. It would be
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I have a Mr. Fusion on my Delorian. From: That One Guy Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices Im for nuclear power cells. That will turn out fine. A fission reactor for everyone. Microreactors so you dont even have to find batteries for your remote control. If humans werent inherently irresponsible, it would be a viable direction to go. I do think we are on the verge of high capacity, low weight, small form factor energy storage. This drop in fuel prices may actually force growth in the market. Up until this point it was always just a speculation that Oil prices were artificially set. The fact the a simple production (using the word simple very loosely) decision could drop the prices so quickly and so drastically proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that those handful of decision makers have the ability to drive those costs to whatever they please. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Batteries suck too much for that to happen IMO. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 10:48 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Hydrogen seems like a better option to me, or at least a hydrogen hybrid. Normally charge at home, work, whatever, but have a hydrogen tank for range and quick fill up. That or a major increase in the electrical systems to have charging stations all over and you plug in everywhere you go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:33:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to squeeze into the market, etc. It's multiple birds with one stone. US oil production will drop, oil sands bubble
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Yep, they are getting ready for the new EPA regulations to pretty much put them out of business and have closed boatloads of mines. Lots of people out of work in Kentucky right now. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices Wow coal dropped didn't it? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 11:03 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.netmailto:t...@ida.net wrote: What's really funny is that everyone thinks electricity is free. We are still using natural resources to make the electricity: In 2013, energy sources and percent share of total electricity generation were * Coal 39% * Natural Gas 27% * Nuclear 19% * Hydropower 7% * Other Renewable 6% * Biomass 1.48% * Geothermal 0.41% * Solar 0.23% * Wind 4.13% * Petroleum 1% * Other Gases 1% So coal and natural gas make up 66% of electricity production. Travis On 1/15/2015 8:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Batteries suck too much for that to happen IMO. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 10:48 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Hydrogen seems like a better option to me, or at least a hydrogen hybrid. Normally charge at home, work, whatever, but have a hydrogen tank for range and quick fill up. That or a major increase in the electrical systems to have charging stations all over and you plug in everywhere you go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:33:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? From: Forrest Christian (List Account)mailto:li...@packetflux.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM To: afmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line.
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Not that there is always a solution if there is no other industry to bring in. But the coal industry has been on the decline for decades and everyone has known it. Community leaderships should be accepting their time is limited and working toward alternate options for their people. some communities will collapse, that is just a part of life, but there is no excuse for anyone to act surprised or not have at least been seeking alternate solutions or avenues of employment. At minimum trying to get education so they have a slight competitive advantage in the job market. We have the oldest prison in the state here, one of the biggest employers in the area. I watch these corrections officers spending their time at the bars instead of preparing themselves for the inevitable, its sad to see. They accustom themselves to a lifestyle afforded by the paycheck they receive but arent preparing themselves for the future. It would be great to see some electricity storage technology that creates a production job market that could take over for coal mines, etc. But thats all going to be in cuba now. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: The Coal industry here has been bad and it's already showing signs that it's about to be worse. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Yep, they are getting ready for the new EPA regulations to pretty much put them out of business and have closed boatloads of mines. Lots of people out of work in Kentucky right now. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices Wow coal dropped didn't it? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 11:03 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: What's really funny is that everyone thinks electricity is free. We are still using natural resources to make the electricity: In 2013, energy sources and percent share of total electricity generation were - Coal 39% - Natural Gas 27% - Nuclear 19% - Hydropower 7% - Other Renewable 6% - Biomass 1.48% - Geothermal 0.41% - Solar 0.23% - Wind 4.13% - Petroleum 1% - Other Gases 1% So coal and natural gas make up 66% of electricity production. Travis On 1/15/2015 8:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Batteries suck too much for that to happen IMO. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 10:48 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Hydrogen seems like a better option to me, or at least a hydrogen hybrid. Normally charge at home, work, whatever, but have a hydrogen tank for range and quick fill up. That or a major increase in the electrical systems to have charging stations all over and you plug in everywhere you go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:33:33 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old,
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
Excluding license fees, high quality unlicensed radios are at or higher than the cost of licensed radios. Granted this is my limited experience with one link and five vendors vetted. The trade off in path profile validity with no interference has an immeasurable value, pricing the licensed links way under the unlicensed gear. you also want to take into account the price point keeping the spectrum cleaner. If say UBNT came out with some licensed link at 2k. Everybody and their brother would hop on those links, eat up the available spectrum shut down the market, leaving you only the option to put fiber in the ground, now that licensed link wouldnt seem so expensive. I dont want to see licensed links come down in price for that very reason alone. We cover an area where the average joe is priced out of that market, we just finally got to the point we can get into licensed links on a small scale. I know there are alot of regular entities putting up air fiber to get 100mbit throughput. There are tons of ptp cambium radios in the air around here, all of which would be licensed links if they came down even 5%. Then there would be nothing left in a short period of time On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Well right, we need more bandwidth per link, but also that in many areas there's no links to be had, so we have to make do with what we have. For instance in that spot I'm working on the GigE links for, there's no 6 GHz, 11 GHz and only 2x horizontal 18 GHz licenses available. It's not exactly suburbia or HFT alley, either. I think the next step will have to be IP20 type solutions from more vendors. Patrick is talking all kinds of engineering finesse that lowers how much signal LTE needs to work well by like 10 - 15 dB. I wonder how much of that would help licensed links. The thought there is that having more signal to work with means that higher QAMs aren't as fragile as without that fanciness. Roadmap to 10G via licensed, anyone? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:41:42 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous All good points, not sure they address Erich’s issue of needing more bandwidth per link without multiple antennas per link on the tower. I think he’s saying an IP20 class radio is too expensive, and over the next few years lots of us are going to need that kind of radio. *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:27 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous Pull all of the active licenses with old ass gear and feed their contact information to the vendors? ;-) Maybe newer gear for hte existing guys would cut down on how much they need. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:25:39 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous 10 GHz unlicensed would help. I sometimes think the license protections are a bit excessive. Maybe loosen the geographic restrictions on 7 GHz and 13 GHz? Maybe some effort into getting 4 GHz and other legacy PtP bands opened back up? They don't have a ton of room and don't allow for huge channels, but some is better than none and maybe since the HFT guys care more about lower latency and less about throughput, they''ll build longer hops and leave our 11 and 6 gig alone? ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:18:58 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous You could drive around to all of the HFT sites and look for links that are no longer there, but still licensed. Document. Come back 30 days later and document again, submit to the FCC (or wherever Liz says is best) and have those licenses revoked. ;-) But yeah, I do like Ceragon's 4x4 setup. Two radio heads, four transmitters, two licenses, tons of bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing
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Why does everyone assume permission was not given? On 1/15/2015 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote: Idiots…. And, yeah, also pretty irresponsible of GoPro to have it on their Youtube channel. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:57 PM *To:* WISPA General List; af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] holy crap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
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They have a functioning Aluminum Air battery for cars that can go 1000 miles but you can’t recharge it. It has to be removed and reconditioned. But the lithium-iron batteries are showing great promise and carbon batteries also have a lot promise. Nissan announced double the range of the next Leaf for example in 2017 and I don’t see the battery getting larger so something is coming. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:01 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices I did see someone talk about a cell phone battery that lasted weeks. Could be related technology. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:59:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices I think we are on the cusp of new battery technologies. I believe there are two of them that should triple the range of existing battery packs and getting production of them is just starting. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:40 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices There are still TONS of places you can't drive between their charger stations and get around the country. Check out their map and see. The funny thing to me is they make all these announcements of a $35,000 car, but not available until 2017. Really? You've had the last 3-5 years to be working on it, why is it another two years to actually have something? Travis On 1/15/2015 7:35 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Tell that to Tesla. From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:33 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? From: Forrest Christian (List Account)mailto:li...@packetflux.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM To: afmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer
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They are already moving to other projects. Regardless of your beliefs, they are very sharp!There was a recent documentary on this...very informative...I will see if I can find it Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: The Saudi prince knows this and if we move to renewables then his country becomes a desert once again. As long as they have oil they will fight to remain viable...wouldn't you. They have tested and know very well the price elasticity of oil. They don't want competitors, wether it's other oil producers (franking and tar sands) or renewable energy. Keep oil at a certain price and everyone keeps using it. -Sean On Wednesday, January 14, 2015, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to squeeze into the market, etc. It's multiple birds with one stone. US oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up production again. The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad for them, but all bubbles burst. A lot of Americans will have a net benefit. Macroeconomics is complex. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: From what I've read the drop is pretty much exclusively because of OPEC. On Tuesday, January 13, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: I think a lot of the low prices are due to abundance of oil right here in the US from Fracking and Tar sands from Canada. I bet eventually when the additional pipeline capacity is completed it may drive things even lower, but that is just my thought. It would be nice if they could do the same with grain. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:53 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: I dont know how petroleum stores, the costs of operating, etc. But I look at it as right now being a great time to get in on it, when the rubber band snaps, you would already be at peak production capacity, without the export and shipping to get it to its destination, in North America at least. This is an artificially deflated market, it cant be sustained since it is inherently and artificially inflated market. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:19 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: The investment has already been made to build the wells. I know it would suck, but why not shut them down until the price goes up again, then just resume production? Even under new ownership? Doesn't sound like a permanent
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Well right, we need more bandwidth per link, but also that in many areas there's no links to be had, so we have to make do with what we have. For instance in that spot I'm working on the GigE links for, there's no 6 GHz, 11 GHz and only 2x horizontal 18 GHz licenses available. It's not exactly suburbia or HFT alley, either. I think the next step will have to be IP20 type solutions from more vendors. Patrick is talking all kinds of engineering finesse that lowers how much signal LTE needs to work well by like 10 - 15 dB. I wonder how much of that would help licensed links. The thought there is that having more signal to work with means that higher QAMs aren't as fragile as without that fanciness. Roadmap to 10G via licensed, anyone? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:41:42 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous All good points, not sure they address Erich’s issue of needing more bandwidth per link without multiple antennas per link on the tower. I think he’s saying an IP20 class radio is too expensive, and over the next few years lots of us are going to need that kind of radio. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous Pull all of the active licenses with old ass gear and feed their contact information to the vendors? ;-) Maybe newer gear for hte existing guys would cut down on how much they need. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:25:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous 10 GHz unlicensed would help. I sometimes think the license protections are a bit excessive. Maybe loosen the geographic restrictions on 7 GHz and 13 GHz? Maybe some effort into getting 4 GHz and other legacy PtP bands opened back up? They don't have a ton of room and don't allow for huge channels, but some is better than none and maybe since the HFT guys care more about lower latency and less about throughput, they''ll build longer hops and leave our 11 and 6 gig alone? ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:18:58 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous You could drive around to all of the HFT sites and look for links that are no longer there, but still licensed. Document. Come back 30 days later and document again, submit to the FCC (or wherever Liz says is best) and have those licenses revoked. ;-) But yeah, I do like Ceragon's 4x4 setup. Two radio heads, four transmitters, two licenses, tons of bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:15:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous The conversation goes deeper. In several areas we are out of spectrum, it may be due to HFT or just plain out. So most WISPs if they have deployed Licensed, they have to deal with what spectrum they have. The question is, where do you see the licensed backhaul market in the next few years, are they just going to be adding qams or finding other creative ways to add capacity? I am not in the WISP business anymore so I have decided to try and focus on the things that drove me nuts to help others. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower Consulting er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: Your issue is really then with promo’s and capacity keys – which is marketing and different ways to make revenue on a product. Just like the PtMP space, not all PtP vendors do capacity keys and play those games either. Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous From my experience the price has not changed very much. Someone needs to take the reigns on the market. Even with certain companies throwing you a promo price, if you really look at it fully loaded, the price is still high for what you get. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: blockquote I think we're already seeing it. They're not wifi chipset based radio kind of prices, but they can be
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I did see someone talk about a cell phone battery that lasted weeks. Could be related technology. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:59:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices I think we are on the cusp of new battery technologies. I believe there are two of them that should triple the range of existing battery packs and getting production of them is just starting. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices There are still TONS of places you can't drive between their charger stations and get around the country. Check out their map and see. The funny thing to me is they make all these announcements of a $35,000 car, but not available until 2017. Really? You've had the last 3-5 years to be working on it, why is it another two years to actually have something? Travis On 1/15/2015 7:35 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Tell that to Tesla. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: blockquote There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to squeeze into the market, etc. It's multiple birds with one stone. US oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up production again. The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad for them, but all bubbles burst. A lot of Americans will have a net benefit. Macroeconomics is complex. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: From what I've read the drop is pretty much exclusively because of OPEC. On Tuesday, January 13, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: I think a lot of the low prices are due to abundance of oil right here in the US from Fracking and Tar sands from Canada. I bet eventually when the additional pipeline capacity is completed it may drive things even lower,
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But it is not restricted to a couple of hundred miles. You can currently go coast to coast with a Tesla and more charging stations are being built all the time. From: Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices There are still TONS of places you can't drive between their charger stations and get around the country. Check out their map and see. The funny thing to me is they make all these announcements of a $35,000 car, but not available until 2017. Really? You've had the last 3-5 years to be working on it, why is it another two years to actually have something? Travis On 1/15/2015 7:35 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Tell that to Tesla. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to squeeze into the market, etc. It's multiple birds with one stone. US oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up production again. The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad for them, but all bubbles burst. A lot of Americans will have a net benefit. Macroeconomics is complex. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: From what I've read the drop is pretty much exclusively because of OPEC. On Tuesday, January 13, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: I think a lot of the low prices are due to abundance of oil right here in the US from Fracking and Tar sands from Canada. I bet eventually when the additional pipeline capacity is completed it may drive things even lower, but that is just my thought. It would be nice if they could do the same with grain. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:53 PM, That One Guy
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I saw an announcement that the Leaf range will increase, but not double. Tesla announced a 30 % increase in the same form factor. Did Nissan really say double? From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices They have a functioning Aluminum Air battery for cars that can go 1000 miles but you can’t recharge it. It has to be removed and reconditioned. But the lithium-iron batteries are showing great promise and carbon batteries also have a lot promise. Nissan announced double the range of the next Leaf for example in 2017 and I don’t see the battery getting larger so something is coming. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:01 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices I did see someone talk about a cell phone battery that lasted weeks. Could be related technology. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:59:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices I think we are on the cusp of new battery technologies. I believe there are two of them that should triple the range of existing battery packs and getting production of them is just starting. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices There are still TONS of places you can't drive between their charger stations and get around the country. Check out their map and see. The funny thing to me is they make all these announcements of a $35,000 car, but not available until 2017. Really? You've had the last 3-5 years to be working on it, why is it another two years to actually have something? Travis On 1/15/2015 7:35 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Tell that to Tesla. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps
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MOAR nuclear. Actually, I do believe that's the present cure. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:08:03 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices but travis, theyre putting up windfarms as fast as the blades can be produced, thats free electricity, right? There is so much electricity shunting as wast on the grid, something that could recover that and reintroduce it to the grid or store it, thats where a guy would be rich, that is free electricity. I wish that there would be a nuclear reality push to educate the public on how safe it actually is. For the production capacity and small footprint, there is no better technology in use today. If humans werent also inherently moronic sheep they would understand how safe this is. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: What's really funny is that everyone thinks electricity is free. We are still using natural resources to make the electricity: In 2013, energy sources and percent share of total electricity generation were * Coal 39% * Natural Gas 27% * Nuclear 19% * Hydropower 7% * Other Renewable 6% * Biomass 1.48% * Geothermal 0.41% * Solar 0.23% * Wind 4.13% * Petroleum 1% * Other Gases 1% So coal and natural gas make up 66% of electricity production. Travis On 1/15/2015 8:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: blockquote Batteries suck too much for that to happen IMO. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 10:48 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote Hydrogen seems like a better option to me, or at least a hydrogen hybrid. Normally charge at home, work, whatever, but have a hydrogen tank for range and quick fill up. That or a major increase in the electrical systems to have charging stations all over and you plug in everywhere you go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:33:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices But that car has to restricted to a couple hundred miles of home. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: blockquote Solar powered car. Solar powered house. Eventually solar powered garden too. Oil? What is oil? From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: blockquote Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: blockquote There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb
Re: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn
I'm learned a lot by tring it on my own YouTube helps too On Jan 15, 2015 1:15 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It really is stupid simple with MT. You check enabled by the PPTP server. Then create a user. Then you add a client on the other device with the user info. Tunnel made. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do what the rest of us do. Sit down with two mikrotiks and work through it. No better way to support the things you sell than to build it yourself. Paying someone to do it for you sets up a situation where you will always be paying them. As a startup, time is cheaper than money. Start here: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=13t=54691view=next Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:39 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Sweet I have mikrotiks, I just need the expert now!! On Jan 15, 2015 12:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Sure you can. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 1:29 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Can I do multiple sites? Or just point A to point B On Jan 15, 2015 12:09 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Link technologies or butch evans can set this up for you Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn Date: Thu, Jan 15, 2015 11:42 AM What us the best way to do a site to site vpn. I have a site 30 miles and 17 miles from my office and would like to make radio changes from my office if possible
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You could also do IPSec - that way it's actually encrypted. Rory McCann MKAP Technology Solutions Web: www.mkap.net On 1/15/2015 1:19 PM, joseph marsh wrote: I'm learned a lot by tring it on my own YouTube helps too On Jan 15, 2015 1:15 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It really is stupid simple with MT. You check enabled by the PPTP server. Then create a user. Then you add a client on the other device with the user info. Tunnel made. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do what the rest of us do. Sit down with two mikrotiks and work through it. No better way to support the things you sell than to build it yourself. Paying someone to do it for you sets up a situation where you will always be paying them. As a startup, time is cheaper than money. Start here: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=13t=54691view=next Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:39 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Sweet I have mikrotiks, I just need the expert now!! On Jan 15, 2015 12:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Sure you can. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 1:29 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Can I do multiple sites? Or just point A to point B On Jan 15, 2015 12:09 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Link technologies or butch evans can set this up for you Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn Date: Thu, Jan 15, 2015 11:42 AM What us the best way to do a site to site vpn. I have a site 30 miles and 17 miles from my office and would like to make radio changes from my office if possible
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
Well, looking at your image you have some things that might be working against you: -The shadow of the antennas show they are both mounted in close vertical proximity which isn't ideal. -It appears there is an A/C enclosure near the south-facing dish, and it might provide a reflective face for scattering a signal back to the north-facing dish. -The building to the north looks taller than the one you are on, so this may provide yet another reflection path. Also, the license shows both paths are operating on vertical polarization, so this isn't helping either. None of this can be reliably modeled with available tools, and the antenna specs aren't necessarily reliable over these very short interference path lengths.The links may appear to be operating normally but in fact have a degraded threshold due to the bucking. This degraded threshold would then make the link more susceptible to interference from other licensed systems that were actually coordinated properly. As I mentioned, when the path in question starts to degrade you could try shutting down the other link to see if the situation improves. If it does, you may need to look into reconfiguring the site to avoid the interference path. For example, mount your dishes on either side of the A/C enclosure so you have the enclosure as a shield between the antennas. Hope this helps, Mike Black Black Associates 727-773-9016 www.bamicrowave.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous On 1/15/15 12:08, Mike Black wrote: If you look at the TMCC MEADOWOOD (WPOQ622) end of that link you will see that there is a potential bucking situation between two of the college's Dragonwave systems: Meadowood/Redfield is TX low while Meadowood/Red Mountain is TX high, with only 100MHz separation. Have they tried shutting one of these two paths down to see if the issue resolves? The path of redfield-meadowood-red are almost as close to a straight line as you can get without it being intentional. The two opposing antennas on the middle site are back to back. There should be enough front to back isolation on the Radiowaves 3' HP so it's not a problem, correct? Picture attached. ~Seth
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I wish I could be as critical of UBNT as you are. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:25:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous I have toned down how vocal I am when it comes to being pissed at UBNT in public . I still do it quite often, it's just behind the scenes most of the time . I f I just beat them down every day it would be good for my image or their image. I think they are a great company with good ideas and a disruptive and interesting business model. When they do good, they do great. When they f@#k up, they f@#k up in spectacular fashion. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 11:31 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Oh no, not at all. I once accused Josh of being a UBNT fanboy. It got quite heated. He either changed his tune or I was mistaken. ;-) There are plenty of fanboys, don't put Josh in that category. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:37:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: blockquote I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Quick AF hotel question
I guess I meant.., Who is actually dependent on a hotel having wifi? I mean is that really a deal breaker as in you can't use your phone, or your 4g hotspot on your On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Maybe he only does USB Tethering? Or is that Tethering and not hotspoting? On 1/15/2015 3:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Uh do you know what a hotspot is? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:06 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Lol who uses wifi anyway ? Don't u guys have cell phones with a Hotspot if necessary ? On Jan 15, 2015 12:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I hope I get the room next to you so I can use two 40 MHz channels in 2.4. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Im all verizon as well, Maybe the true reason for this thread is to scare people into just using their hotspots leaving all the wifis for me! On 1/15/2015 2:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Verizon works quite well in SLC. If you need a hotspot for some emergency repair hit me up, but if you want to Netflix in the hotel for hours on end look elsewhere =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Just FYI, when you go to Eventbrite to register, it still lists the Holiday Inn there, but the link back to the Afmug page is updated. I just changed my Reservation over to the Ramada. I talked to the front desk, (so take this info with that in mind) He said that they have 3 separate networks, one for each building, and there are multiple AP's within each building. He did not know the size of their internet pipe. Nate On 1/14/2015 3:02 PM, Traci wrote: The Ramada Inn, their information is listed on the AFMUG website. On 1/14/2015 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Traci, What hotel is AFMUG using? I'd like to use the hotel that everyone else is staying at and help promote the event. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Traci tr...@wbmfg.com wrote: They are telling us that significant upgrades have been done in the last couple of years. Not sure if its enough to handle this group ;-) . With the Shilo being sold to Holiday Inn, I'm ready not sure what to expect this year from them either. I know registration has been a problem for many who have tried to reserve. On 1/14/2015 10:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote: Anybody talked to the Ramada to get a feel for their Wifi setup? I think the Shilo had multipe AP's per floor, and wasn't it fed with beehive fiber? Will the Ramada be able to support us, or will it crash and burn?
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
The scary thing to think of however is that the big boys may push hard to kick us out of these bands entirely (which they're already toying around with on 5Ghz). Aren't we already kind of dead man walking in 5 GHz, hoping for a reprieve before our execution date? Pending some kind of industry proposal that would strike a middle ground between the old and new rules? -Original Message- From: Caleb Knauer Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 2:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous Sorry, jerk relex ;-) *Most* of the FUD and doom and gloom about the AF5 wiping out the entire WISP market by ignorant users has shown to be unfounded after some 9 odd months of deployments. Some people have been affected though, and a big hammer carried by a toddler is scary. I do agree that an 11Ghz and above licensed solution will posses, by the constraints laid forth by FCC/ETSI reqs, properties that will somewhat lessen chances of bad actions affecting the masses. But there is some risk. There's a lot of conversation here though that I think can be discussed without the heat. Dirty players, such as the omni blasters and the DFS douches, are going to cause issues when the barrier to entry is low and the tools allow you to do bad things. The thought of a $1k unicorn gigabit link is frankly a bit scary to think of when in the hands of the dirty players. However the licensed bands are protected by some scary FCC teeth and that would help significantly. Everyone playing dirty in 3.65 isn't worried about enforcement, and the test mode guys don't seem to be too bothered if they aren't near a radar (although enforcement is cracking down a lot lately). But the first time VZW brings down the full heat of the feds on top of some schmuck's head for deploying an illegal 11Ghz test link should get the other dirties to pay attention. The scary thing to think of however is that the big boys may push hard to kick us out of these bands entirely (which they're already toying around with on 5Ghz). There's a lot of things that can be done to protect the lic market in the case that the unicorn is ever found, such as enforcing buyers have an existing license before shipping, mfg link activation, etc. It will be annoying and make legit users agitated, but dummies gonna dummy and the last thing we need is to turn the 11/18 Ghz bands into a supersaturated wasteland. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: I would imagine a licensed backhaul would be similar to AF24 (though not saying we are doing anything like it)...as for AF5, have actually had a lot of reports related to customers taking out other 5GHz links and opening up more spectrum by using the AF5 (and getting more throughput) ;) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Of course not by AF24, tiny beamwidth and low power. It's brother however? ;-) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: If only you could read some of Josh's emails to us and you would see that he isn't always showing us the love ;) He will dish it when it is due...I have seen it publicly as well ;) Healthy discussion on backhauls and backhaul pricing...I will say that since the AF24 launch, I have not seen an email/post related to AF24 causing issues due to being installed by ignorant operators... On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:37 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Quick AF hotel question
Im all verizon as well, Maybe the true reason for this thread is to scare people into just using their hotspots leaving all the wifis for me! On 1/15/2015 2:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Verizon works quite well in SLC. If you need a hotspot for some emergency repair hit me up, but if you want to Netflix in the hotel for hours on end look elsewhere =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com mailto:n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Just FYI, when you go to Eventbrite to register, it still lists the Holiday Inn there, but the link back to the Afmug page is updated. I just changed my Reservation over to the Ramada. I talked to the front desk, (so take this info with that in mind) He said that they have 3 separate networks, one for each building, and there are multiple AP's within each building. He did not know the size of their internet pipe. Nate On 1/14/2015 3:02 PM, Traci wrote: The Ramada Inn, their information is listed on the AFMUG website. On 1/14/2015 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Traci, What hotel is AFMUG using? I'd like to use the hotel that everyone else is staying at and help promote the event. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Traci tr...@wbmfg.com mailto:tr...@wbmfg.com wrote: They are telling us that significant upgrades have been done in the last couple of years. Not sure if its enough to handle this group ;-) . With the Shilo being sold to Holiday Inn, I'm ready not sure what to expect this year from them either. I know registration has been a problem for many who have tried to reserve. On 1/14/2015 10:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote: Anybody talked to the Ramada to get a feel for their Wifi setup? I think the Shilo had multipe AP's per floor, and wasn't it fed with beehive fiber? Will the Ramada be able to support us, or will it crash and burn?
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
I have toned down how vocal I am when it comes to being pissed at UBNT in public. I still do it quite often, it's just behind the scenes most of the time. If I just beat them down everyday it would be good for my image or their image. I think they are a great company with good ideas and a disruptive and interesting business model. When they do good, they do great. When they f@#k up, they f@#k up in spectacular fashion. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 11:31 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Oh no, not at all. I once accused Josh of being a UBNT fanboy. It got quite heated. He either changed his tune or I was mistaken. ;-) There are plenty of fanboys, don't put Josh in that category. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:37:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: blockquote I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
I didn't see a climbing harness. Granted, they climbed in the tower and had parachutes. Matt Hardy wrote: Whoa... On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
;) Let me rephrase that for you: I wish I could be as PRAISING of UBNT as you are. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I wish I could be as critical of UBNT as you are. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:25:39 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous I have toned down how vocal I am when it comes to being pissed at UBNT in public. I still do it quite often, it's just behind the scenes most of the time. If I just beat them down every day it would be good for my image or their image. I think they are a great company with good ideas and a disruptive and interesting business model. When they do good, they do great. When they f@#k up, they f@#k up in spectacular fashion. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 11:31 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Oh no, not at all. I once accused Josh of being a UBNT fanboy. It got quite heated. He either changed his tune or I was mistaken. ;-) There are plenty of fanboys, don't put Josh in that category. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com t...@voltbb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:37:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: blockquote I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
The sarcasm is strong with this one :) You should see the email I just sent to Ben, LOL josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 12:32 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I wish I could be as critical of UBNT as you are. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:25:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous I have toned down how vocal I am when it comes to being pissed at UBNT in public . I still do it quite often, it's just behind the scenes most of the time . I f I just beat them down every day it would be good for my image or their image. I think they are a great company with good ideas and a disruptive and interesting business model. When they do good, they do great. When they f@#k up, they f@#k up in spectacular fashion. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 11:31 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Oh no, not at all. I once accused Josh of being a UBNT fanboy. It got quite heated. He either changed his tune or I was mistaken. ;-) There are plenty of fanboys, don't put Josh in that category. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:37:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: blockquote I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
I tried to bite my tongue on this one (even though I meant it mostly jokingly), but here it is. Deserve it. I think the AF24 is an amazing product and that platform has a lot of potential. It just hasn't been further realized. The non-Titanium AirMax series has worked out very well. I hear the UniFi Cameras have worked out very well. I'm still rocking a bunch of airCams. Other than needing open fast handoff (and something else that I forget at the moment), I can't think of anything really wrong with UniFi. (Though I always have ideas for better devices.) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:40:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous ;) Let me rephrase that for you: I wish I could be as PRAISING of UBNT as you are. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I wish I could be as critical of UBNT as you are. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:25:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous I have toned down how vocal I am when it comes to being pissed at UBNT in public . I still do it quite often, it's just behind the scenes most of the time . I f I just beat them down every day it would be good for my image or their image. I think they are a great company with good ideas and a disruptive and interesting business model. When they do good, they do great. When they f@#k up, they f@#k up in spectacular fashion. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 11:31 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: blockquote Oh no, not at all. I once accused Josh of being a UBNT fanboy. It got quite heated. He either changed his tune or I was mistaken. ;-) There are plenty of fanboys, don't put Josh in that category. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:37:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: blockquote I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
Wait...What is this? ;) Mike? On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I tried to bite my tongue on this one (even though I meant it mostly jokingly), but here it is. Deserve it. I think the AF24 is an amazing product and that platform has a lot of potential. It just hasn't been further realized. The non-Titanium AirMax series has worked out very well. I hear the UniFi Cameras have worked out very well. I'm still rocking a bunch of airCams. Other than needing open fast handoff (and something else that I forget at the moment), I can't think of anything really wrong with UniFi. (Though I always have ideas for better devices.) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:40:52 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous ;) Let me rephrase that for you: I wish I could be as PRAISING of UBNT as you are. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I wish I could be as critical of UBNT as you are. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:25:39 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous I have toned down how vocal I am when it comes to being pissed at UBNT in public. I still do it quite often, it's just behind the scenes most of the time. If I just beat them down every day it would be good for my image or their image. I think they are a great company with good ideas and a disruptive and interesting business model. When they do good, they do great. When they f@#k up, they f@#k up in spectacular fashion. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 11:31 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Oh no, not at all. I once accused Josh of being a UBNT fanboy. It got quite heated. He either changed his tune or I was mistaken. ;-) There are plenty of fanboys, don't put Josh in that category. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com t...@voltbb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:37:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: blockquote I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
Free climbing for base jumping is expected. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: But if you slip at 20 feet what good will a parachute do? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: I didn't see a climbing harness. Granted, they climbed in the tower and had parachutes. Matt Hardy wrote: Whoa... On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
Yes, one did ;) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Damned radomes blow off in the wind... (at least one of them did) *From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 12:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous If only you could read some of Josh's emails to us and you would see that he isn't always showing us the love ;) He will dish it when it is due...I have seen it publicly as well ;) Healthy discussion on backhauls and backhaul pricing...I will say that since the AF24 launch, I have not seen an email/post related to AF24 causing issues due to being installed by ignorant operators... On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:37 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
If only you could read some of Josh's emails to us and you would see that he isn't always showing us the love ;) He will dish it when it is due...I have seen it publicly as well ;) Healthy discussion on backhauls and backhaul pricing...I will say that since the AF24 launch, I have not seen an email/post related to AF24 causing issues due to being installed by ignorant operators... On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:37 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
Of course not by AF24, tiny beamwidth and low power. It's brother however? ;-) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: If only you could read some of Josh's emails to us and you would see that he isn't always showing us the love ;) He will dish it when it is due...I have seen it publicly as well ;) Healthy discussion on backhauls and backhaul pricing...I will say that since the AF24 launch, I have not seen an email/post related to AF24 causing issues due to being installed by ignorant operators... On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:37 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
I would imagine a licensed backhaul would be similar to AF24 (though not saying we are doing anything like it)...as for AF5, have actually had a lot of reports related to customers taking out other 5GHz links and opening up more spectrum by using the AF5 (and getting more throughput) ;) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Of course not by AF24, tiny beamwidth and low power. It's brother however? ;-) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: If only you could read some of Josh's emails to us and you would see that he isn't always showing us the love ;) He will dish it when it is due...I have seen it publicly as well ;) Healthy discussion on backhauls and backhaul pricing...I will say that since the AF24 launch, I have not seen an email/post related to AF24 causing issues due to being installed by ignorant operators... On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:37 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
Oh no, not at all. I once accused Josh of being a UBNT fanboy. It got quite heated. He either changed his tune or I was mistaken. ;-) There are plenty of fanboys, don't put Josh in that category. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:37:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: blockquote I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Custom Poe Injector
This would be pretty easy to engineer. I already have a PCB that does 66% of this, adding a barrel connection to the board would be trivial. Cost would likely be about 4-7 dollars per device. All passive components so any voltage would be used. I have used PCB123 before but I would really need a neat small case for the PCB and female RJ45 to go in. Any ideas on components for that? I would like to find something like this. http://www.wlanparts.com/tycon/poe-yinj-s-passive-poe-y-injector/ Only I want it to send 24 volts out both ends but in different polarities. Female end will power up a Canopy SM while male end will power up Mikrotik router. That way I can provide a managed router and CPE that only uses one AC outlet. Anyone seen anything like that or know where I can have it made?
Re: [AFMUG] Quick AF hotel question
Uh do you know what a hotspot is? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:06 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Lol who uses wifi anyway ? Don't u guys have cell phones with a Hotspot if necessary ? On Jan 15, 2015 12:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I hope I get the room next to you so I can use two 40 MHz channels in 2.4. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Im all verizon as well, Maybe the true reason for this thread is to scare people into just using their hotspots leaving all the wifis for me! On 1/15/2015 2:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Verizon works quite well in SLC. If you need a hotspot for some emergency repair hit me up, but if you want to Netflix in the hotel for hours on end look elsewhere =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Just FYI, when you go to Eventbrite to register, it still lists the Holiday Inn there, but the link back to the Afmug page is updated. I just changed my Reservation over to the Ramada. I talked to the front desk, (so take this info with that in mind) He said that they have 3 separate networks, one for each building, and there are multiple AP's within each building. He did not know the size of their internet pipe. Nate On 1/14/2015 3:02 PM, Traci wrote: The Ramada Inn, their information is listed on the AFMUG website. On 1/14/2015 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Traci, What hotel is AFMUG using? I'd like to use the hotel that everyone else is staying at and help promote the event. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Traci tr...@wbmfg.com wrote: They are telling us that significant upgrades have been done in the last couple of years. Not sure if its enough to handle this group ;-) . With the Shilo being sold to Holiday Inn, I'm ready not sure what to expect this year from them either. I know registration has been a problem for many who have tried to reserve. On 1/14/2015 10:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote: Anybody talked to the Ramada to get a feel for their Wifi setup? I think the Shilo had multipe AP's per floor, and wasn't it fed with beehive fiber? Will the Ramada be able to support us, or will it crash and burn?
Re: [AFMUG] Quick AF hotel question
Maybe he only does USB Tethering? Or is that Tethering and not hotspoting? On 1/15/2015 3:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Uh do you know what a hotspot is? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:06 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com mailto:t...@voltbb.com wrote: Lol who uses wifi anyway ? Don't u guys have cell phones with a Hotspot if necessary ? On Jan 15, 2015 12:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I hope I get the room next to you so I can use two 40 MHz channels in 2.4. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com mailto:n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Im all verizon as well, Maybe the true reason for this thread is to scare people into just using their hotspots leaving all the wifis for me! On 1/15/2015 2:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Verizon works quite well in SLC. If you need a hotspot for some emergency repair hit me up, but if you want to Netflix in the hotel for hours on end look elsewhere =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com mailto:n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Just FYI, when you go to Eventbrite to register, it still lists the Holiday Inn there, but the link back to the Afmug page is updated. I just changed my Reservation over to the Ramada. I talked to the front desk, (so take this info with that in mind) He said that they have 3 separate networks, one for each building, and there are multiple AP's within each building. He did not know the size of their internet pipe. Nate On 1/14/2015 3:02 PM, Traci wrote: The Ramada Inn, their information is listed on the AFMUG website. On 1/14/2015 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Traci, What hotel is AFMUG using? I'd like to use the hotel that everyone else is staying at and help promote the event. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Traci tr...@wbmfg.com mailto:tr...@wbmfg.com wrote: They are telling us that significant upgrades have been done in the last couple of years. Not sure if its enough to handle this group ;-) . With the Shilo being sold to Holiday Inn, I'm ready not sure what to expect this year from them either. I know registration has been a problem for many who have tried to reserve. On 1/14/2015 10:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote: Anybody talked to the Ramada to get a feel for their Wifi setup? I think the Shilo had multipe AP's per floor, and wasn't it fed with beehive fiber? Will the Ramada be able to support us, or will it crash and burn?
Re: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn
Do what the rest of us do. Sit down with two mikrotiks and work through it. No better way to support the things you sell than to build it yourself. Paying someone to do it for you sets up a situation where you will always be paying them. As a startup, time is cheaper than money. Start here: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=13t=54691view=next Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:39 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Sweet I have mikrotiks, I just need the expert now!! On Jan 15, 2015 12:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Sure you can. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 1:29 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Can I do multiple sites? Or just point A to point B On Jan 15, 2015 12:09 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Link technologies or butch evans can set this up for you Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn Date: Thu, Jan 15, 2015 11:42 AM What us the best way to do a site to site vpn. I have a site 30 miles and 17 miles from my office and would like to make radio changes from my office if possible
Re: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn
Do what the rest of us do. Sit down with two mikrotiks and work through it. No better way to support the things you sell than to build it yourself. Paying someone to do it for you sets up a situation where you will always be paying them. As a startup, time is cheaper than money. Start here: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=13t=54691view=next Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:39 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Sweet I have mikrotiks, I just need the expert now!! On Jan 15, 2015 12:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Sure you can. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 1:29 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Can I do multiple sites? Or just point A to point B On Jan 15, 2015 12:09 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Link technologies or butch evans can set this up for you Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn Date: Thu, Jan 15, 2015 11:42 AM What us the best way to do a site to site vpn. I have a site 30 miles and 17 miles from my office and would like to make radio changes from my office if possible
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Quick AF hotel question
Verizon works quite well in SLC. If you need a hotspot for some emergency repair hit me up, but if you want to Netflix in the hotel for hours on end look elsewhere =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Just FYI, when you go to Eventbrite to register, it still lists the Holiday Inn there, but the link back to the Afmug page is updated. I just changed my Reservation over to the Ramada. I talked to the front desk, (so take this info with that in mind) He said that they have 3 separate networks, one for each building, and there are multiple AP's within each building. He did not know the size of their internet pipe. Nate On 1/14/2015 3:02 PM, Traci wrote: The Ramada Inn, their information is listed on the AFMUG website. On 1/14/2015 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Traci, What hotel is AFMUG using? I'd like to use the hotel that everyone else is staying at and help promote the event. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Traci tr...@wbmfg.com wrote: They are telling us that significant upgrades have been done in the last couple of years. Not sure if its enough to handle this group ;-) . With the Shilo being sold to Holiday Inn, I'm ready not sure what to expect this year from them either. I know registration has been a problem for many who have tried to reserve. On 1/14/2015 10:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote: Anybody talked to the Ramada to get a feel for their Wifi setup? I think the Shilo had multipe AP's per floor, and wasn't it fed with beehive fiber? Will the Ramada be able to support us, or will it crash and burn?
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
They fell from the plane? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 2:52:46 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Snakes on a tower? http://i.imgur.com/ap0VRTd.jpg Regards, Chuck On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: No... they'd probably take a bomb along for good measure and start wrecking all our towers. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: blockquote Maybe we need a fake ISIS tweet telling all jihadists to do this. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Darwinism. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 11:28 AM, Brian Sullivan installe...@foxvalley.net wrote: blockquote Scary thing is, there are lightly secured tower sites all over America. Some 15 year old will eventually try this. On 1/15/2015 10:25 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: blockquote Heh. Video just hit the front page of CNN. On January 15, 2015 7:17:16 AM AKST, Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote I think it's pretty unlikely that permission wasn't given, since it's on GoPro's youtube channel... but it was still a bad idea. I would bet that the guy that got killed watched this video before he went out and tried it. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Jon Bruce jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com wrote: blockquote Why does everyone assume permission was not given? On 1/15/2015 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote: blockquote Idiots…. And, yeah, also pretty irresponsible of GoPro to have it on their Youtube channel. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:57 PM To: WISPA General List; af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] holy crap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com /blockquote /blockquote -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
Fade test will tell for certain if there's an issue between the two paths - you do not have to wait for degradation to do this. And, since you control both of them it should be fairly easy to turn one down while monitoring the other, etc. Fade tests should be done on every newly installed link and it’s a good idea to do this periodically as well. From the Aviat Eclipse manual in the Commissioning and Troubleshooting Section: Fade Margin Test This test is designed to check that the expected (calculated) fade margin for a link matches actual performance. The expected fade margin should be included in the link installation datapack together with Tx power, system losses, antenna gains, the effective radiated power, free space path loss, expected receive signal level and the calculation for link availability. The fade margin test measures the difference in receive signal level between the normal, operational level, and the threshold level, the level at which bit errors appear. The threshold level can be specified for a bit error rate (BER) of 10-6 or 10-3. For Eclipse, the difference between 10-3 and 10-6 thresholds is not more than 2dB. CAUTION:Fade margin measurement should only be conducted after it has been verified that expected RSLs, as indicated in Portal performance screens, are correct at both ends of the link. If an RSL is low, the reason for this must first be investigated and resolved. When coupled with an ability to measure receive signal level at the receiver input, this procedure also provides an indication of receiver threshold, which can be checked against receiver specifications. For Eclipse, a fade margin test involves reducing the Tx power at one end of the link, and checking the error performance at the other using the G.826 data presented in the Portal Performance Screen. However, achieving a threshold RSL is only possible where there is sufficient adjustment available in Tx power. Tx power adjustment ranges apply down from the maximum power setting supported by the frequency and bandwidth option configured for the link. Therefore, in situations where the expected fade margin is greater than the Tx powerreduction range available within Portal, it is not possible to reach threshold. Nevertheless, reducing Tx power to its minimum and confirming error-free operation should still provide an acceptable degree of confidence. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Black Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 4:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous Well, looking at your image you have some things that might be working against you: -The shadow of the antennas show they are both mounted in close vertical proximity which isn't ideal. -It appears there is an A/C enclosure near the south-facing dish, and it might provide a reflective face for scattering a signal back to the north-facing dish. -The building to the north looks taller than the one you are on, so this may provide yet another reflection path. Also, the license shows both paths are operating on vertical polarization, so this isn't helping either. None of this can be reliably modeled with available tools, and the antenna specs aren't necessarily reliable over these very short interference path lengths.The links may appear to be operating normally but in fact have a degraded threshold due to the bucking. This degraded threshold would then make the link more susceptible to interference from other licensed systems that were actually coordinated properly. As I mentioned, when the path in question starts to degrade you could try shutting down the other link to see if the situation improves. If it does, you may need to look into reconfiguring the site to avoid the interference path. For example, mount your dishes on either side of the A/C enclosure so you have the enclosure as a shield between the antennas. Hope this helps, Mike Black Black Associates 727-773-9016 www.bamicrowave.comhttp://www.bamicrowave.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:32 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous On 1/15/15 12:08, Mike Black wrote: If you look at the TMCC MEADOWOOD (WPOQ622) end of that link you will see that there is a potential bucking situation between two of the college's Dragonwave systems: Meadowood/Redfield is TX low while Meadowood/Red Mountain is TX high, with only 100MHz separation. Have they tried shutting one of these two paths down to see if the issue resolves? The path of redfield-meadowood-red are almost as close to a straight line as you can get without it being intentional. The two opposing antennas on the middle site are back to back. There should be enough front to back isolation on the
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
I could touch on UniFireal quick, or actually just UAPs in general... The price needs to come down, and performance needs to go up. xclaim wireless is doing impressive things on the hardware and software front. They went from having no web gui, to having a pretty feature complete web gui that is easy to use and clean looking in less than 45 days. Their cloud controller is in the works, and the mobile appworks well. Their hardware pricing is fantastic, and the performance numbers I've seen from other people are impressive. The device compatibility (UniFi) needs improvement, especially with Apple devices and their (honstly sh@#y) wifidrivers. Zero handoff needs work. UniFi was there first, sure, but you can't keep rocking the same prices for gear you were selling them for 2 years ago(or even a year ago). josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 12:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I tried to bite my tongue on this one (even though I meant it mostly jokingly), but here it is. Deserve it. I think the AF24 is an amazing product and that platform has a lot of potential. It just hasn't been further realized. The non-Titanium AirMax series has worked out very well. I hear the UniFi Cameras have worked out very well. I'm still rocking a bunch of airCams. Other than needing open fast handoff (and something else that I forget at the moment), I can't think of anything really wrong with UniFi. (Though I always have ideas for better devices.) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:40:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous ;) Let me rephrase that for you: I wish I could be as PRAISING of UBNT as you are. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I wish I could be as critical of UBNT as you are. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:25:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous I have toned down how vocal I am when it comes to being pissed at UBNT in public . I still do it quite often, it's just behind the scenes most of the time . I f I just beat them down every day it would be good for my image or their image. I think they are a great company with good ideas and a disruptive and interesting business model. When they do good, they do great. When they f@#k up, they f@#k up in spectacular fashion. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 11:31 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: blockquote Oh no, not at all. I once accused Josh of being a UBNT fanboy. It got quite heated. He either changed his tune or I was mistaken. ;-) There are plenty of fanboys, don't put Josh in that category. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:37:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: blockquote I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
:) I try to be fair though. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 10:46 AM, Ben Moore wrote: If only you could read some of Josh's emails to us and you would see that he isn't always showing us the love ;) He will dish it when it is due...I have seen it publicly as well ;) Healthy discussion on backhauls and backhaul pricing...I will say that since the AF24 launch, I have not seen an email/post related to AF24 causing issues due to being installed by ignorant operators... On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:37 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Quick AF hotel question
Lol who uses wifi anyway ? Don't u guys have cell phones with a Hotspot if necessary ? On Jan 15, 2015 12:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I hope I get the room next to you so I can use two 40 MHz channels in 2.4. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Im all verizon as well, Maybe the true reason for this thread is to scare people into just using their hotspots leaving all the wifis for me! On 1/15/2015 2:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Verizon works quite well in SLC. If you need a hotspot for some emergency repair hit me up, but if you want to Netflix in the hotel for hours on end look elsewhere =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Just FYI, when you go to Eventbrite to register, it still lists the Holiday Inn there, but the link back to the Afmug page is updated. I just changed my Reservation over to the Ramada. I talked to the front desk, (so take this info with that in mind) He said that they have 3 separate networks, one for each building, and there are multiple AP's within each building. He did not know the size of their internet pipe. Nate On 1/14/2015 3:02 PM, Traci wrote: The Ramada Inn, their information is listed on the AFMUG website. On 1/14/2015 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Traci, What hotel is AFMUG using? I'd like to use the hotel that everyone else is staying at and help promote the event. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Traci tr...@wbmfg.com wrote: They are telling us that significant upgrades have been done in the last couple of years. Not sure if its enough to handle this group ;-) . With the Shilo being sold to Holiday Inn, I'm ready not sure what to expect this year from them either. I know registration has been a problem for many who have tried to reserve. On 1/14/2015 10:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote: Anybody talked to the Ramada to get a feel for their Wifi setup? I think the Shilo had multipe AP's per floor, and wasn't it fed with beehive fiber? Will the Ramada be able to support us, or will it crash and burn?
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
My AF5 doesn't do 40 miles and gigabit? I demand Ubiquiti refund my money and pay for my tower climbers' time or allow me to increase the power to 1kw. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Of course not by AF24, tiny beamwidth and low power. It's brother however? ;-) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: If only you could read some of Josh's emails to us and you would see that he isn't always showing us the love ;) He will dish it when it is due...I have seen it publicly as well ;) Healthy discussion on backhauls and backhaul pricing...I will say that since the AF24 launch, I have not seen an email/post related to AF24 causing issues due to being installed by ignorant operators... On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:37 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
Seth, If you look at the TMCC MEADOWOOD (WPOQ622) end of that link you will see that there is a potential bucking situation between two of the college's Dragonwave systems: Meadowood/Redfield is TX low while Meadowood/Red Mountain is TX high, with only 100MHz separation. Have they tried shutting one of these two paths down to see if the issue resolves? Regards, Mike Black Black Associates 727-773-9016 www.bamicrowave.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous On 1/15/15 9:36, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 1/15/15 9:12, Josh Reynolds wrote: This email has more angst than my 15 year old at 8am on a Saturday. On January 15, 2015 8:09:07 AM AKST, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us I can give you the contact of a licensee that's having the problem I described on a smaller scale if you think you can hep them. They have not been amused. Actually it's a community college, and ULS isn't exactly secret. Give WQRP301 a call. They are having repeated problems with people stepping on their 18GHz paths without issuing a PCN. If you have advice to give instead of being smug about my opinion on the problem that's be more helpful. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Quick AF hotel question
Just FYI, when you go to Eventbrite to register, it still lists the Holiday Inn there, but the link back to the Afmug page is updated. I just changed my Reservation over to the Ramada. I talked to the front desk, (so take this info with that in mind) He said that they have 3 separate networks, one for each building, and there are multiple AP's within each building. He did not know the size of their internet pipe. Nate On 1/14/2015 3:02 PM, Traci wrote: The Ramada Inn, their information is listed on the AFMUG website. On 1/14/2015 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Traci, What hotel is AFMUG using? I'd like to use the hotel that everyone else is staying at and help promote the event. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Traci tr...@wbmfg.com mailto:tr...@wbmfg.com wrote: They are telling us that significant upgrades have been done in the last couple of years. Not sure if its enough to handle this group ;-) . With the Shilo being sold to Holiday Inn, I'm ready not sure what to expect this year from them either. I know registration has been a problem for many who have tried to reserve. On 1/14/2015 10:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote: Anybody talked to the Ramada to get a feel for their Wifi setup? I think the Shilo had multipe AP's per floor, and wasn't it fed with beehive fiber? Will the Ramada be able to support us, or will it crash and burn?
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
Without parachutes. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Base jumping. From: Mike Hammettmailto:af...@ics-il.net Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 2:57 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... They fell from the plane? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.commailto:ch...@shelbybb.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 2:52:46 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Snakes on a tower? http://i.imgur.com/ap0VRTd.jpg Regards, Chuck On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: No... they'd probably take a bomb along for good measure and start wrecking all our towers. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Maybe we need a fake ISIS tweet telling all jihadists to do this. From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:29 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Darwinism. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 11:28 AM, Brian Sullivan installe...@foxvalley.netmailto:installe...@foxvalley.net wrote: Scary thing is, there are lightly secured tower sites all over America. Some 15 year old will eventually try this. On 1/15/2015 10:25 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Heh. Video just hit the front page of CNN. On January 15, 2015 7:17:16 AM AKST, Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's pretty unlikely that permission wasn't given, since it's on GoPro's youtube channel... but it was still a bad idea. I would bet that the guy that got killed watched this video before he went out and tried it. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Jon Bruce jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.commailto:jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com wrote: Why does everyone assume permission was not given? On 1/15/2015 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote: Idiots…. And, yeah, also pretty irresponsible of GoPro to have it on their Youtube channel. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:57 PM To: WISPA General List; af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] holy crap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014aef7bb3c6-98a05e16-a168-466f-b370-9e947aaf5370-000...@amazonses.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2985972859domain=litewire.net Removehttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2985972859domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list.
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
my point in mentioning UBNT and irfiber was a reference to the guys putting up a gigabitish link when they only needed 100mbps. The price point is so low you can afford to do that. Bring down the price points on licensed gear and the same guy will sit on bigger chunks of spectrum because he can. Right now you have to think about how much spectrum youre using to get X amount of bandwidth because its limited and essentially not reusable. Granted you can hopefully re-license new gear down the road, but its pretty cost prohibitive to just squat spectrum. The license is pretty much nothing, works out to what, about 100 bucks a year if you use a coordinator to have ownership and technical recourse. Its simply a hardware cost issue. UBNT and their disruptive pricing, should they delve into the licensed market should be re-branded destructive pricing. Now, I complain about this, but If I was the first guy to get the license at UBNT hardware pricing, Im down with squatting, but im a hypocrite. And the FCC has teeth right now because spectrum disputes and illegal links are few and far between to some degree. You disrupt the market with UBNT pricing, the complaints will shoot way up and johnny WISP wont have any real recourse because the FCC wont have the resources to deal with complaints from anyone other than their honeytit lovers at the cellcos On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Yes, one did ;) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Damned radomes blow off in the wind... (at least one of them did) *From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 12:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous If only you could read some of Josh's emails to us and you would see that he isn't always showing us the love ;) He will dish it when it is due...I have seen it publicly as well ;) Healthy discussion on backhauls and backhaul pricing...I will say that since the AF24 launch, I have not seen an email/post related to AF24 causing issues due to being installed by ignorant operators... On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:37 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
Yes, they deserved to die and I hope they burn in hell! On 1/15/2015 2:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: They fell from the plane? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 2:52:46 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Snakes on a tower? http://i.imgur.com/ap0VRTd.jpg Regards, Chuck On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: No... they'd probably take a bomb along for good measure and start wrecking all our towers. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Maybe we need a fake ISIS tweet telling all jihadists to do this. *From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:29 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Darwinism. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 11:28 AM, Brian Sullivan installe...@foxvalley.net mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net wrote: Scary thing is, there are lightly secured tower sites all over America. Some 15 year old will eventually try this. On 1/15/2015 10:25 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Heh. Video just hit the front page of CNN. On January 15, 2015 7:17:16 AM AKST, Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's pretty unlikely that permission wasn't given, since it's on GoPro's youtube channel... but it was still a bad idea. I would bet that the guy that got killed watched this video before he went out and tried it. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Jon Bruce jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com mailto:jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com wrote: Why does everyone assume permission was not given? On 1/15/2015 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote: Idiots…. And, yeah, also pretty irresponsible of GoPro to have it on their Youtube channel. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:57 PM *To:* WISPA General List; af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] holy crap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
or on a water tower or just at the top of a tower - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 5:18:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... I think Mike is referring to being on the nice flat platform on the top of grain elevators. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Well at 20 feet, you're right. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com To: af af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 5:06:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... It's not much of a tower if you can't keep your lanyard above your head at 20 feet... On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote Not always (or actually, usually for me) possible. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 4:55:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Sounds to me like you're not keeping your lanyard above your head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: blockquote Your body stretches as well! From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Think about where your hooks are compared to your harness and the slack in them, the break distance, stre t ch distance, final stop point, then when your feet are. This is a critical point not covered in a lot of initial instruction. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 01:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: blockquote What the hell kind of fall arrest system are you using?! You should drop no more than 6 feet!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: blockquote Nothing, neither will a harness at a little under 20ft. You'll hit the ground before your descent is slowed by your fall arrest system. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 12:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: But if you slip at 20 feet what good will a parachute do? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Jay Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: I didn't see a climbing harness. Granted, they climbed in the tower and had parachutes. Matt Hardy wrote: Whoa... On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] OT - RadioSprint? SprintShack?
RadioSprintShack ShackSprintRadio SprintRadioShack SRS? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 03:19 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: They're shacking up? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 5:48:08 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT - RadioSprint? SprintShack? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-15/radioshack-said-in-talks-to-sell-stores-to-sprint-in-bankruptcy.html
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
Your body stretches as well! From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Think about where your hooks are compared to your harness and the slack in them, the break distance, stretch distance, final stop point, then when your feet are. This is a critical point not covered in a lot of initial instruction. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 01/15/2015 01:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What the hell kind of fall arrest system are you using?! You should drop no more than 6 feet!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Nothing, neither will a harness at a little under 20ft. You'll hit the ground before your descent is slowed by your fall arrest system. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 12:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: But if you slip at 20 feet what good will a parachute do? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Jay Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: I didn't see a climbing harness. Granted, they climbed in the tower and had parachutes. Matt Hardy wrote: Whoa... On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Josh Reynolds josh@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
It's not much of a tower if you can't keep your lanyard above your head at 20 feet... On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Not always (or actually, usually for me) possible. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 4:55:26 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Sounds to me like you're not keeping your lanyard above your head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Your body stretches as well! *From:* Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:42 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Think about where your hooks are compared to your harness and the slack in them, the break distance, stretch distance, final stop point, then when your feet are. This is a critical point not covered in a lot of initial instruction. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 01:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What the hell kind of fall arrest system are you using?! You should drop no more than 6 feet!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Nothing, neither will a harness at a little under 20ft. You'll hit the ground before your descent is slowed by your fall arrest system. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 12:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: But if you slip at 20 feet what good will a parachute do? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Jay Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: I didn't see a climbing harness. Granted, they climbed in the tower and had parachutes. Matt Hardy wrote: Whoa... On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Josh Reynolds josh@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com j...@spitwspots.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
Well at 20 feet, you're right. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com To: af af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 5:06:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... It's not much of a tower if you can't keep your lanyard above your head at 20 feet... On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Not always (or actually, usually for me) possible. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 4:55:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Sounds to me like you're not keeping your lanyard above your head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: blockquote Your body stretches as well! From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Think about where your hooks are compared to your harness and the slack in them, the break distance, stre t ch distance, final stop point, then when your feet are. This is a critical point not covered in a lot of initial instruction. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 01:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: blockquote What the hell kind of fall arrest system are you using?! You should drop no more than 6 feet!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: blockquote Nothing, neither will a harness at a little under 20ft. You'll hit the ground before your descent is slowed by your fall arrest system. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 12:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: But if you slip at 20 feet what good will a parachute do? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Jay Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: I didn't see a climbing harness. Granted, they climbed in the tower and had parachutes. Matt Hardy wrote: Whoa... On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
[AFMUG] Power AF24 with GIGE-POE-APC - 24v-48v DC-DC
I don't want to use the Tycon AF24 24-48V POE because it doesn't offer surge suppression, and it is another big plastic box. All of our sites are already standardized on GIGE-POE-APC surge/injectors. They are 24v sites. I need a decent 24-48V upconverter, preferably DIN mount, that has enough juice to power the AF24. Is anyone using a similar setup? Recommended products?
Re: [AFMUG] Custom Poe Injector
I use OSH park, $5 per square inch for 3 boards. PCB's are designed in EagleCAD. RJ45 jacks are easy to do in Eagle as the templates are already there for a lot of parts. Here is a link to a three port RJ45 jack that I have used in other projects. These are $12.19 each, but I could probably find something less expensive. http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=5557561-1virtualkey5710virtualkey571-5557561-1 The case would add to the cost but you just need a couple mounting holes in the PCB, also easily done in Eagle. So you'd be looking at $12 for the jack, about $7 for three PCB's (assuming 1.5 sq in), a few cents for a barrel jack and then whatever for your enclosure. So likely much more expensive to go this route, but as nothing else exists like it, so you're going to have to pay a premium. Pricing is reasonable if you only need a few. If you need hundreds then it becomes a problem and you would probably have to have someone else manufacture and assemble them, likely somewhere other than in the US. If you want I can cook something up in Eagle and spit out the gerber files for you along with a bill of materials. Shouldn't take more than a few minutes to do it, and it shouldn't be much larger than what is required for the ports themselves and the barrel connector. If you want any circuit protection that would increase the size of the board and raise the cost. Let me know if you want me to do it, if not, I'll let this thread die. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:14:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom Poe Injector This would be pretty easy to engineer. I already have a PCB that does 66% of this, adding a barrel connection to the board would be trivial. Cost would likely be about 4-7 dollars per device. All passive components so any voltage would be used. I have used PCB123 before but I would really need a neat small case for the PCB and female RJ45 to go in. Any ideas on components for that? I would like to find something like this. http://www.wlanparts.com/tycon/poe-yinj-s-passive-poe-y-injector/ Only I want it to send 24 volts out both ends but in different polarities. Female end will power up a Canopy SM while male end will power up Mikrotik router. That way I can provide a managed router and CPE that only uses one AC outlet. Anyone seen anything like that or know where I can have it made?
Re: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn
MT has quite a few ways of doing this, depending on your requirements, and where your data needs to flow J Dennis Burgess, Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory McCann Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 2:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn You could also do IPSec - that way it's actually encrypted. Rory McCann MKAP Technology Solutions Web: www.mkap.net On 1/15/2015 1:19 PM, joseph marsh wrote: I'm learned a lot by tring it on my own YouTube helps too On Jan 15, 2015 1:15 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It really is stupid simple with MT. You check enabled by the PPTP server. Then create a user. Then you add a client on the other device with the user info. Tunnel made. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do what the rest of us do. Sit down with two mikrotiks and work through it. No better way to support the things you sell than to build it yourself. Paying someone to do it for you sets up a situation where you will always be paying them. As a startup, time is cheaper than money. Start here: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=13t=54691view=next Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:39 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Sweet I have mikrotiks, I just need the expert now!! On Jan 15, 2015 12:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Sure you can. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 1:29 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Can I do multiple sites? Or just point A to point B On Jan 15, 2015 12:09 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Link technologies or butch evans can set this up for you Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn Date: Thu, Jan 15, 2015 11:42 AM What us the best way to do a site to site vpn. I have a site 30 miles and 17 miles from my office and would like to make radio changes from my office if possible
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
Love thisha: Now, I complain about this, but If I was the first guy to get the license at UBNT hardware pricing, Im down with squatting, but im a hypocrite. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:18 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: my point in mentioning UBNT and irfiber was a reference to the guys putting up a gigabitish link when they only needed 100mbps. The price point is so low you can afford to do that. Bring down the price points on licensed gear and the same guy will sit on bigger chunks of spectrum because he can. Right now you have to think about how much spectrum youre using to get X amount of bandwidth because its limited and essentially not reusable. Granted you can hopefully re-license new gear down the road, but its pretty cost prohibitive to just squat spectrum. The license is pretty much nothing, works out to what, about 100 bucks a year if you use a coordinator to have ownership and technical recourse. Its simply a hardware cost issue. UBNT and their disruptive pricing, should they delve into the licensed market should be re-branded destructive pricing. Now, I complain about this, but If I was the first guy to get the license at UBNT hardware pricing, Im down with squatting, but im a hypocrite. And the FCC has teeth right now because spectrum disputes and illegal links are few and far between to some degree. You disrupt the market with UBNT pricing, the complaints will shoot way up and johnny WISP wont have any real recourse because the FCC wont have the resources to deal with complaints from anyone other than their honeytit lovers at the cellcos On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Yes, one did ;) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Damned radomes blow off in the wind... (at least one of them did) *From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 12:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous If only you could read some of Josh's emails to us and you would see that he isn't always showing us the love ;) He will dish it when it is due...I have seen it publicly as well ;) Healthy discussion on backhauls and backhaul pricing...I will say that since the AF24 launch, I have not seen an email/post related to AF24 causing issues due to being installed by ignorant operators... On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:37 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :) On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
Think about where your hooks are compared to your harness and the slack in them, the break distance, stretch distance, final stop point, then when your feet are. This is a critical point not covered in a lot of initial instruction. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 01:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What the hell kind of fall arrest system are you using?! You should drop no more than 6 feet!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Nothing, neither will a harness at a little under 20ft. You'll hit the ground before your descent is slowed by your fall arrest system. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 12:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: But if you slip at 20 feet what good will a parachute do? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: I didn't see a climbing harness. Granted, they climbed in the tower and had parachutes. Matt Hardy wrote: Whoa... On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com j...@spitwspots.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
I think Mike is referring to being on the nice flat platform on the top of grain elevators. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Well at 20 feet, you're right. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com *To: *af af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 5:06:55 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... It's not much of a tower if you can't keep your lanyard above your head at 20 feet... On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Not always (or actually, usually for me) possible. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 4:55:26 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Sounds to me like you're not keeping your lanyard above your head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Your body stretches as well! *From:* Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:42 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] holy crap... Think about where your hooks are compared to your harness and the slack in them, the break distance, stretch distance, final stop point, then when your feet are. This is a critical point not covered in a lot of initial instruction. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 01:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What the hell kind of fall arrest system are you using?! You should drop no more than 6 feet!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Nothing, neither will a harness at a little under 20ft. You'll hit the ground before your descent is slowed by your fall arrest system. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/15/2015 12:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: But if you slip at 20 feet what good will a parachute do? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Jay Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: I didn't see a climbing harness. Granted, they climbed in the tower and had parachutes. Matt Hardy wrote: Whoa... On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Josh Reynolds josh@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com j...@spitwspots.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
