Re: [AFMUG] Console server with cellular connectivity for OOB management

[Trey Scarborough]

I use a Mikrotik RB912UAG-2HPnD with a 4g pcie and sim ~$200 in 
equipment and depending on the provider $9-30 a month for service I get 
the lowest tier data on a prepaid plan So if it goes over and I need 
faster speeds I can just pay for the usage needed. So far the cards I am 
using work well with both with ATT and T-mobile.



On 8/4/2016 1:07 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

I know that the airconsole guys are supposed to have support for 3G
USB dongles "soon". I don't know if that means "tomorrow" or "two
WISPAPALOOZAS" from now :P

www.get-console.com

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:

Anybody doing this?  I'm looking at various Avocent Cyclades models that I
can 'plug' some type of cellular GSM modem into.. or maybe one that has an
integrated modem?

Not trying to spend a fortune here, so I'm probably looking for something
used on eBay.

Josh

Re: [AFMUG] B11

[John Blake]

It's obviously pricier than the B11, but if you want true symmetrical and a
ton of throughput, you could look at the Huawei RTN-380 radios.  These will
do 4Gbps (2Gbps symmetrical) at full licensing, or there are 1, 2, 3Gbps
licensing options.  They use 71-76 GHz and 81-86 GHz and so are super easy
and cheap to get (lightly) licensed. These are very popular with carriers
outside the US, but not so much in the US because of all the
Huawei/Ciscolobby disputes, but that has largely been resolved and they
have been getting traction here.  Let me know if you want more info, we are
Huawei VAR.

John


On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 9:54 PM,  wrote:

> Gino,
>
> That seems to be the only configuration that meets the requirement.  The
> way I see it, in a traditional FDD system you would license an XPIC pair of
> frequencies, say 11075 H/V at point A and 11565 H/V at point B.  Assuming
> an 820 running 256QAM you might get 500mbps per polarity per direction, for
> a two-way aggregate of 2gpbs.  You would have licensed 160MHz at each end
> of the system, for a system efficiency of 2gbps/320MHz = 6 b/s/hz.
> If you operate a B11 on the same pair of frequencies, you have to use
> their FD mode which a typical PCN claims will deliver 736mbps.  It would
> seem that this can be viewed as a two-way aggregate rate, because the
> radios still take turns transmitting as in a true TDMA system.  So, the
> system efficiency here is 736mbps/320MHz = 2.3 b/s/hz -- below the
> requirement of 3 b/s/hz.
>
> If you switch the B11 to the normal TDMA mode you will need to transmit on
> the same frequency from each end of the link.  So, in addition to licensing
> 11075 H and V transmitting from point A, you also need to license 11075 H
> and V transmitting from point B, which adds another 160MHz at each end. The
> PCNs show this configuration giving 1.47gbps (again assumed to be an
> aggregate figure due to the TDMA mode).  This is an efficiency of
> 1.47gbps/640MHz = 2.3 b/s/hz again.  However, because you have licensed two
> frequency pairs, each site can also transmit and receive on the unused
> 11565 H and V frequencies.  If you do this then you get 2*1.47gbps/640MHz =
> 4.6 b/s/hz.  This seems to be the only valid configuration, but does this
> take two radios at each end, or just one?
>
> Mike Black
>
> Black & Associates
>
> 727-773-9016
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11
> From: "Gino Villarini" 
> Date: Wed, August 3, 2016 3:38 pm
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> --
>
>
> > but the radio tx in both channels in the both polarites in both ends ...
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
> >
> >> No, it is just as spectrally efficient as any 256QAM radio... One 80 MHz
> >> "low" channel in both polarities and one 80 MHz "high" channel in both
> >> polarities, as a typical FDD band plan such as you would use with a
> >> configuration with 2 dishes, 2 orthomode transducers and 4 radio heads
> >> (each radio operating in a single polarity) in a 2+0 configuration.
> >>
> >> You're arriving at the figure of 320 MHz by counting everything twice.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 10:28 AM,  wrote:
> >>
> >>> We haven't had the pleasure of coordinating a B11 link yet, but they
> >>> certainly seem to be popular based upon the number of PCNs we are
> >>> seeing. So, a dumb question hopefully based upon a simple
> misunderstanding
> >>> of the numbers: I don't see how this meets the FCC minimum efficiency
> >>> standards for wide channels at 11GHz:
> >>>
> >>> 80MHz channels x H and V = 160MHz, but with high/low pairing you double
> >>> this? to 320MHz occupied per end? So, to meet the 3 b/s/hz requirement
> at
> >>> 11GHz your symmetrical throughput would need to be >= 960mbps. What am
> I
> >>> missing?
> >>>
> >>> Mike Black
> >>>
> >>> Black & Associates
> >>>
> >>> 727-773-9016
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Original Message
> 
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11
> >>>
> From: "Jaime Fink" 
> >>> Date: Tue, August 2, 2016 4:49 pm
> >>> To: "SmarterBroadband" 
> >>> "af@afmug.com" 
> >>> 
> --
> >>>
> >>> > The PHY is 1733 Mbps aggregate, so depending on the chosen window
> >>> sizes, the top real world TCP speeds we’ve seen are between 1200-1300
> Mbps
> >>> aggregate (75/25 or 50/50 mode), or 600-650 Mbps symmetric (50/50).
> >>> >
> >>> > For 11 GHz this assumes high/low pairing of 80 MHz and both
> >>> polarizations coordinated.
> >>> >
> >>> > Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On August 2, 2016 at 1:34:31 PM, SmarterBroadband (
> >>> 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[Bill Prince]

I looked below your message for the details behind the asterisks, but 
there was none.



bp


On 8/8/2016 9:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

90* overall and I think 7x 13* individual?

Dimensions are here 
http://www.doubleradius.com/site/stores/cambium/Cambium-ePMP-2000-Smart-Antenna-datasheet.pdf



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


I was noticing the spec sheet for the new ePMP 2000 beam forming
antenna does not mention gain, nor does it mention beamwidth. 
What's the deal with that?

Wind load is also not on the spec sheet, nor the polar plot of
radiation pattern, but nominal gain and beamwidth would be a good
place to start.

Re: [AFMUG] Pa mis compas Ubiquiti EdgeSwitch ES-12F - YouTube

[Jaime Solorza]

I have no idea.   WiSP friend sent it to me.. He is in Rio.. Big soccer
fan.  not sure where he got it Round here the guys from Juarez and
Chihuahua speak English as well as we do... They say WiFi... Not sure in
Spain..or Canary islands... In Bolivia,  the engineers I worked with spoke
perfect English (Queens version).. They said WiFi.. Y Fi
The Spanish in video is a bit different but I understood all of it...
Entendres and all.

On Aug 9, 2016 9:00 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Who are those guys?  And is WiFi really pronounced "WeeFee" in Spanish?
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 9:35 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pa mis compas Ubiquiti EdgeSwitch ES-12F - YouTube
>
> That's pretty funny :)
>
> They have a 16x10G version now too!
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be=ucg2_Uu3SYA
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hardened 12v battery chargers/mantainers

[Adam Moffett]

IMO if you go to 48v you'll have more options.  I think the 48v stuff 
tends to be designed with Telecom in mind so it tends to be more rugged.


-- Original Message --
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 8/9/2016 10:45:39 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Hardened 12v battery chargers/mantainers

Hey guys, we are having our cheap $20 12v generator battery 
chargers/mantainers blown regularly.  Willing to pay more for a better 
unit.  Any recommendations?

[AFMUG] Updates on Windows 10 - how to cope?

[Adam Moffett]

I can confirm behavior already observed by other people on this mailing 
list, Windows 10 updates behave like torrents and can cripple the end 
user by saturating the internet connection with dozens of simultaneous 
connections.


I have 3mbps at home and a Windows update running tonight which has 
crippled internet access for the entire household, including the laptop 
it's running on.  I fixed the rest of the house by putting a limit on 
the laptopthe laptop itself is still more or less unusable.


1) There's no indication to the user that an update is happening.  You 
have to go look in the Windows Update settings to see the progress 
meter.  What happened to the little yellow shield in the taskbar?


2) There's no way for the user to limit consumption...at least not that 
I can see.  There are a couple of ways to stop it from ever updating, 
but really I want to either schedule it to do updates from 1am-6am, or 
limit Windows update to 1mbps.


As a user I find this poorly thought through by Microsoft.  More 
importantly, as a network operator how do I protect customers from this? 
 I'm aware that support staff are receiving more complaints recently 
where the customer claims their speeds are slow or that their connection 
is non-functional, and I have a feeling some of it must be this windows 
10 crap.  Is there a mangle rule that can tag this traffic perhaps?

Re: [AFMUG] Pa mis compas Ubiquiti EdgeSwitch ES-12F - YouTube

[Ken Hohhof]

Who are those guys?  And is WiFi really pronounced "WeeFee" in Spanish?


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 9:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pa mis compas Ubiquiti EdgeSwitch ES-12F - YouTube

That's pretty funny :)

They have a 16x10G version now too!

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be=ucg2_Uu3SYA 

Re: [AFMUG] Pa mis compas Ubiquiti EdgeSwitch ES-12F - YouTube

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes it was funny..

On Aug 9, 2016 8:35 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> That's pretty funny :)
>
> They have a 16x10G version now too!
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
> > https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be=ucg2_Uu3SYA
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Josh Luthman]

So what makes traffic lights not efficient?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> You can still make a fire rubbing two sticks together, and that will work
> forever.
>
> It's not efficient though.
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> You put up a light/module and it runs 24/7 for decades.  Sounds pretty
>> efficient to me.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:16 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> It's a mess, inefficient amazing it still works?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 9:15:39 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure
>>>
>>> Legacy isn't always bad.  Look at traffic control.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2016 10:12 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>>
 I have a good buddy who has been a air traffic controller for many
 years. He was one of four guys brought into Baton Rouge after Katrina to
 work 18-20 hours for a month straight. He says you done't even want to know
 about the "legacy" equipment in ATC.

 On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Opps... There we go..
>
> On Aug 9, 2016 8:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Salud a todos "Yanquis go home, gringas come here, ajuaaa!! "
>> Rancho El Pino, Bustillos, Chihuahua 1966.
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2016 6:12 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>>> Airlines fly around clouds.
>>>
>>> *From:* Travis Johnson 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 6:32 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure
>>>
>>> They keep all their servers in the same central location?? You would
>>> think someone the size of Delta would know better. They should look into
>>> this new thing called "the cloud"... I've heard it's an up-and-coming 
>>> new
>>> technology that might really help them. LOL
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/9/2016 5:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> “According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a routine
>>> scheduled switch to the backup generator this morning at 2:30am caused a
>>> fire that destroyed both the backup and the primary. Firefighters took a
>>> while to extinguish the fire. Power is now back up and 400 out of the 
>>> 500
>>> servers rebooted, still waiting for the last 100 to have the whole 
>>> system
>>> fully functional”
>>>
>>> Many running on XP I am told.  “Server has been up for 6.3 years,
>>> never reboot this server...”
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

They're an airline - you'd think they had heard of a cloud

*snicker*

  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 6:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure


  They keep all their servers in the same central location?? You would think 
someone the size of Delta would know better. They should look into this new 
thing called "the cloud"... I've heard it's an up-and-coming new technology 
that might really help them. LOL

  Travis



  On 8/9/2016 5:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

“According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a routine 
scheduled switch to the backup generator this morning at 2:30am caused a fire 
that destroyed both the backup and the primary. Firefighters took a while to 
extinguish the fire. Power is now back up and 400 out of the 500 servers 
rebooted, still waiting for the last 100 to have the whole system fully 
functional”

Many running on XP I am told.  “Server has been up for 6.3 years, never 
reboot this server...”

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Josh Reynolds]

You can still make a fire rubbing two sticks together, and that will work
forever.

It's not efficient though.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> You put up a light/module and it runs 24/7 for decades.  Sounds pretty
> efficient to me.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:16 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> It's a mess, inefficient amazing it still works?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 9:15:39 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure
>>
>> Legacy isn't always bad.  Look at traffic control.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2016 10:12 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a good buddy who has been a air traffic controller for many
>>> years. He was one of four guys brought into Baton Rouge after Katrina to
>>> work 18-20 hours for a month straight. He says you done't even want to know
>>> about the "legacy" equipment in ATC.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Jaime Solorza >> > wrote:
>>>
 Opps... There we go..

 On Aug 9, 2016 8:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> Salud a todos "Yanquis go home, gringas come here, ajuaaa!! "
> Rancho El Pino, Bustillos, Chihuahua 1966.
>
> On Aug 9, 2016 6:12 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> Airlines fly around clouds.
>>
>> *From:* Travis Johnson 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 6:32 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure
>>
>> They keep all their servers in the same central location?? You would
>> think someone the size of Delta would know better. They should look into
>> this new thing called "the cloud"... I've heard it's an up-and-coming new
>> technology that might really help them. LOL
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 8/9/2016 5:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> “According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a routine
>> scheduled switch to the backup generator this morning at 2:30am caused a
>> fire that destroyed both the backup and the primary. Firefighters took a
>> while to extinguish the fire. Power is now back up and 400 out of the 500
>> servers rebooted, still waiting for the last 100 to have the whole system
>> fully functional”
>>
>> Many running on XP I am told.  “Server has been up for 6.3 years,
>> never reboot this server...”
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pa mis compas Ubiquiti EdgeSwitch ES-12F - YouTube

[Josh Reynolds]

That's pretty funny :)

They have a 16x10G version now too!

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be=ucg2_Uu3SYA

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Josh Luthman]

You put up a light/module and it runs 24/7 for decades.  Sounds pretty
efficient to me.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:16 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> It's a mess, inefficient amazing it still works?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 9:15:39 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure
>
> Legacy isn't always bad.  Look at traffic control.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Aug 9, 2016 10:12 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
>> I have a good buddy who has been a air traffic controller for many years.
>> He was one of four guys brought into Baton Rouge after Katrina to work
>> 18-20 hours for a month straight. He says you done't even want to know
>> about the "legacy" equipment in ATC.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Opps... There we go..
>>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2016 8:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Salud a todos "Yanquis go home, gringas come here, ajuaaa!! "
 Rancho El Pino, Bustillos, Chihuahua 1966.

 On Aug 9, 2016 6:12 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Airlines fly around clouds.
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 6:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure
>
> They keep all their servers in the same central location?? You would
> think someone the size of Delta would know better. They should look into
> this new thing called "the cloud"... I've heard it's an up-and-coming new
> technology that might really help them. LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 8/9/2016 5:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> “According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a routine
> scheduled switch to the backup generator this morning at 2:30am caused a
> fire that destroyed both the backup and the primary. Firefighters took a
> while to extinguish the fire. Power is now back up and 400 out of the 500
> servers rebooted, still waiting for the last 100 to have the whole system
> fully functional”
>
> Many running on XP I am told.  “Server has been up for 6.3 years,
> never reboot this server...”
>
>
>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Mike Hammett]

It's a mess, inefficient amazing it still works? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 9:15:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure 


Legacy isn't always bad. Look at traffic control. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Aug 9, 2016 10:12 PM, "Cameron Crum" < cc...@wispmon.com > wrote: 



I have a good buddy who has been a air traffic controller for many years. He 
was one of four guys brought into Baton Rouge after Katrina to work 18-20 hours 
for a month straight. He says you done't even want to know about the "legacy" 
equipment in ATC. 


On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



Opps... There we go.. 




On Aug 9, 2016 8:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Salud a todos "Yanquis go home, gringas come here, ajuaaa!! " Rancho El 
Pino, Bustillos, Chihuahua 1966. 


On Aug 9, 2016 6:12 PM, "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 






Airlines fly around clouds. 




From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 6:32 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure 

They keep all their servers in the same central location?? You would think 
someone the size of Delta would know better. They should look into this new 
thing called "the cloud"... I've heard it's an up-and-coming new technology 
that might really help them. LOL 

Travis 



On 8/9/2016 5:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





“According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a routine scheduled 
switch to the backup generator this morning at 2:30am caused a fire that 
destroyed both the backup and the primary. Firefighters took a while to 
extinguish the fire. Power is now back up and 400 out of the 500 servers 
rebooted, still waiting for the last 100 to have the whole system fully 
functional” 

Many running on XP I am told. “Server has been up for 6.3 years, never reboot 
this server...” 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Josh Luthman]

Legacy isn't always bad.  Look at traffic control.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 9, 2016 10:12 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

> I have a good buddy who has been a air traffic controller for many years.
> He was one of four guys brought into Baton Rouge after Katrina to work
> 18-20 hours for a month straight. He says you done't even want to know
> about the "legacy" equipment in ATC.
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Opps... There we go..
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2016 8:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Salud a todos "Yanquis go home, gringas come here, ajuaaa!! "
>>> Rancho El Pino, Bustillos, Chihuahua 1966.
>>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2016 6:12 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>
 Airlines fly around clouds.

 *From:* Travis Johnson 
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 6:32 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

 They keep all their servers in the same central location?? You would
 think someone the size of Delta would know better. They should look into
 this new thing called "the cloud"... I've heard it's an up-and-coming new
 technology that might really help them. LOL

 Travis


 On 8/9/2016 5:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

 “According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a routine
 scheduled switch to the backup generator this morning at 2:30am caused a
 fire that destroyed both the backup and the primary. Firefighters took a
 while to extinguish the fire. Power is now back up and 400 out of the 500
 servers rebooted, still waiting for the last 100 to have the whole system
 fully functional”

 Many running on XP I am told.  “Server has been up for 6.3 years, never
 reboot this server...”



>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Cameron Crum]

I have a good buddy who has been a air traffic controller for many years.
He was one of four guys brought into Baton Rouge after Katrina to work
18-20 hours for a month straight. He says you done't even want to know
about the "legacy" equipment in ATC.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Opps... There we go..
>
> On Aug 9, 2016 8:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
>> Salud a todos "Yanquis go home, gringas come here, ajuaaa!! "  Rancho
>> El Pino, Bustillos, Chihuahua 1966.
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2016 6:12 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>>> Airlines fly around clouds.
>>>
>>> *From:* Travis Johnson 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 6:32 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure
>>>
>>> They keep all their servers in the same central location?? You would
>>> think someone the size of Delta would know better. They should look into
>>> this new thing called "the cloud"... I've heard it's an up-and-coming new
>>> technology that might really help them. LOL
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/9/2016 5:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> “According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a routine
>>> scheduled switch to the backup generator this morning at 2:30am caused a
>>> fire that destroyed both the backup and the primary. Firefighters took a
>>> while to extinguish the fire. Power is now back up and 400 out of the 500
>>> servers rebooted, still waiting for the last 100 to have the whole system
>>> fully functional”
>>>
>>> Many running on XP I am told.  “Server has been up for 6.3 years, never
>>> reboot this server...”
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Pa mis compas Ubiquiti EdgeSwitch ES-12F - YouTube

[Mike Hammett]

hah, Matt Hardy said that was my breakfast. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:56:37 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Pa mis compas Ubiquiti EdgeSwitch ES-12F - YouTube 


https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be=ucg2_Uu3SYA 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Jaime Solorza]

Salud a todos "Yanquis go home, gringas come here, ajuaaa!! "  Rancho
El Pino, Bustillos, Chihuahua 1966.

On Aug 9, 2016 6:12 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Airlines fly around clouds.
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 6:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure
>
> They keep all their servers in the same central location?? You would think
> someone the size of Delta would know better. They should look into this new
> thing called "the cloud"... I've heard it's an up-and-coming new technology
> that might really help them. LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 8/9/2016 5:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> “According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a routine
> scheduled switch to the backup generator this morning at 2:30am caused a
> fire that destroyed both the backup and the primary. Firefighters took a
> while to extinguish the fire. Power is now back up and 400 out of the 500
> servers rebooted, still waiting for the last 100 to have the whole system
> fully functional”
>
> Many running on XP I am told.  “Server has been up for 6.3 years, never
> reboot this server...”
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Pa mis compas Ubiquiti EdgeSwitch ES-12F - YouTube

[Jaime Solorza]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be=ucg2_Uu3SYA

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Mike Hammett]

Regulated isn't a barrier, but legacy is. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Robert"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 6:57:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure 

And Airline support systems are massively legacy and regulated... 


On 8/9/16 4:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



Cloud is grossly overrated. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Travis Johnson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 6:32:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure 

They keep all their servers in the same central location?? You would think 
someone the size of Delta would know better. They should look into this new 
thing called "the cloud"... I've heard it's an up-and-coming new technology 
that might really help them. LOL 

Travis 



On 8/9/2016 5:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





“According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a routine scheduled 
switch to the backup generator this morning at 2:30am caused a fire that 
destroyed both the backup and the primary. Firefighters took a while to 
extinguish the fire. Power is now back up and 400 out of the 500 servers 
rebooted, still waiting for the last 100 to have the whole system fully 
functional” 

Many running on XP I am told. “Server has been up for 6.3 years, never reboot 
this server...” 

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I would prefer that
any chance of sharing?

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Trey Scarborough  wrote:

> I set mine up by default the long way. So that all traffic generated by
> default from my routers is the Loopback address. Its good for
> EOIP/BGP/IPSEC/Radius/Syslog/etc. Then again like I said I set it up from
> the start this way so it can change a lot of configurations if you do it
> after anything is programed to use another IP.
>
>
> On 8/9/2016 12:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> There is  reason why I suggested you go the short way.
>>
>> The long way, is the technical attribute that can offer you a fix, but I
>> cringe t think of how it may affect your network.
>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> 
>>
>> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:22:03 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address
>>
>> can you detail the long way
>> in this instance, I just want it to be if it is traffic generated by
>> the router destined for tcp port 25 present as 1.2.3.4 but dont
>> impact anything else, what I dont want to risk is OSPF breaking or
>> dropping an EOIP tunnel because that traffic is presenting differently
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
>> > wrote:
>>
>> There is a long way to solve this problem and there is a short
>> way to solve this problem.
>>
>> short way first:-
>>
>> Mikrotik supports user authentication on out bound mail, so all
>> you need to do is create a valid email user account on our mail
>> server  and use those credentials in your MT router Email
>> settings so that you don't need an 'open mail relay'.
>>
>> Long way:-
>>
>> There is a setting call set-pref-src=  in the routing filters,
>> which accomplishes what you are asking for, however you will
>> have to figure out on how exactly to tailor it to work for your
>> environment. (I had to find this setting for one of our Peering
>> Routers, a bit of a long story).
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
>> Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" > >
>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:51:03 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address
>>
>> right or wrong, i want to set up an open mail relay on our
>> network for mikrotik backups. I want to lock the relay down
>> to only accept traffic from our internal subnet for loopback
>> IPs on the site routers. How do I make specific traffic
>> always present as the same IP no matter which interface it
>> exits since i cant seem to find a way to masquerade the
>> output chain
>> if it is doable, is there also a way to add a line to our
>> default configs that will set the presentation IP to
>> whatever the loopback IP on that device is?
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but
>> you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already
>> failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Jaime Solorza]

Now that was inspired Ken.   When I get home and open my Tecate, I will
remember this and guffaw,  spilling a few precious drops Damn I am a
lush

On Aug 9, 2016 6:12 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Airlines fly around clouds.
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 6:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure
>
> They keep all their servers in the same central location?? You would think
> someone the size of Delta would know better. They should look into this new
> thing called "the cloud"... I've heard it's an up-and-coming new technology
> that might really help them. LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 8/9/2016 5:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> “According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a routine
> scheduled switch to the backup generator this morning at 2:30am caused a
> fire that destroyed both the backup and the primary. Firefighters took a
> while to extinguish the fire. Power is now back up and 400 out of the 500
> servers rebooted, still waiting for the last 100 to have the whole system
> fully functional”
>
> Many running on XP I am told.  “Server has been up for 6.3 years, never
> reboot this server...”
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Ken Hohhof]

Airlines fly around clouds.

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 6:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

They keep all their servers in the same central location?? You would think 
someone the size of Delta would know better. They should look into this new 
thing called "the cloud"... I've heard it's an up-and-coming new technology 
that might really help them. LOL

Travis



On 8/9/2016 5:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  “According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a routine scheduled 
switch to the backup generator this morning at 2:30am caused a fire that 
destroyed both the backup and the primary. Firefighters took a while to 
extinguish the fire. Power is now back up and 400 out of the 500 servers 
rebooted, still waiting for the last 100 to have the whole system fully 
functional”

  Many running on XP I am told.  “Server has been up for 6.3 years, never 
reboot this server...”

Re: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be

[Jaime Solorza]

Two rules I live by If everything is important, then nothing is
important... And, learn to say No...
The first is prioritizing day and week.
the second is harder... If you are in management and getting pulled from
all sides, you will not get much done.   Learning the No part is tougher.
A good book called The Art of Being The Boss was better than Carnegie and
DayTimer classes I took back in 70/80s when I was in retail management
I still use a notebook It has saved me and clients many a time.   I
have some over 30 years... Works for me.

On Aug 9, 2016 5:22 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
> That's true.  Any my biggest bottleneck currently is my self on the
> accounting side.
> Don't trust it to anyone else.
> Requires a LOT of time
>
> I also seem to be doing a lot of our ordering.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Josh Reynolds 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 4:15 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be
>
> A properly running operation will give you plenty of time to research new
> technology, further your IT/business education, or evaluate potential
> business opportunities.
>
> If you're only treading water, you're going to miss out on a lot of
> opportunities.
>
> *shrug*
>
> On Aug 9, 2016 4:11 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think you guys (Ken and Jamie) have time to surf the web everyday
>> LOL
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 3:56 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be
>>
>> Good one.. Thanks... I sent her this link
>> http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/here-are-what-cell-phone-si
>> gnals-would-look-like-if-you-could-see-them
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2016 2:54 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> How about audio.  The difference between listening to music over a
>>> telephone vs a high end audio system.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 2:51 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be
>>>
>>>
>>> She asked if I could show her what the radio signal coming out a
>>> smartphone versus an old cellphone looked like... I asked her why she
>>> thought the signals were different... "Well grandpa, smart phones play
>>> videos and Internet stuff, so the signals are fatter... Like bigger pipes
>>> for more water..."...wow...i showed her what RF signals look like on
>>> spectrum analyzers but told her that is only a measurement systemi am
>>> looking for some visual representations...any ideas your brainier guys than
>>> me?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/9/16 16:43, Mike Hammett wrote:

Cloud is grossly overrated.




Substitute "cloud" for "other people's servers" or "modern shared 
hosting", but that's not as marketable sounding.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Robert]

And Airline support systems are massively legacy and regulated...

On 8/9/16 4:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Cloud is grossly overrated.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Travis Johnson" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 6:32:11 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

They keep all their servers in the same central location?? You would 
think someone the size of Delta would know better. They should look 
into this new thing called "the cloud"... I've heard it's an 
up-and-coming new technology that might really help them. LOL


Travis


On 8/9/2016 5:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

“According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a
routine scheduled switch to the backup generator this morning at
2:30am caused a fire that destroyed both the backup and the
primary. Firefighters took a while to extinguish the fire. Power
is now back up and 400 out of the 500 servers rebooted, still
waiting for the last 100 to have the whole system fully functional”
Many running on XP I am told. “Server has been up for 6.3 years,
never reboot this server...”

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep..  Distributed and redundant servers in several different locations is
one better option.   Phillips 66 refinery in Borger, Texas had back up
systems and communications triplicated.Had their own cellular system as
well to two way radio, long range cordless system and several techs get HAM
licenses plus hosting repeaters.   This was back in mid 90s...wonder if
insurance going to cover Deltas losses?

On Aug 9, 2016 5:43 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Cloud is grossly overrated.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Travis Johnson" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 6:32:11 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure
>
> They keep all their servers in the same central location?? You would think
> someone the size of Delta would know better. They should look into this new
> thing called "the cloud"... I've heard it's an up-and-coming new technology
> that might really help them. LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 8/9/2016 5:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> “According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a routine
> scheduled switch to the backup generator this morning at 2:30am caused a
> fire that destroyed both the backup and the primary. Firefighters took a
> while to extinguish the fire. Power is now back up and 400 out of the 500
> servers rebooted, still waiting for the last 100 to have the whole system
> fully functional”
>
> Many running on XP I am told.  “Server has been up for 6.3 years, never
> reboot this server...”
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Mike Hammett]

Cloud is grossly overrated. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Travis Johnson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 6:32:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure 

They keep all their servers in the same central location?? You would think 
someone the size of Delta would know better. They should look into this new 
thing called "the cloud"... I've heard it's an up-and-coming new technology 
that might really help them. LOL 

Travis 



On 8/9/2016 5:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





“According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a routine scheduled 
switch to the backup generator this morning at 2:30am caused a fire that 
destroyed both the backup and the primary. Firefighters took a while to 
extinguish the fire. Power is now back up and 400 out of the 500 servers 
rebooted, still waiting for the last 100 to have the whole system fully 
functional” 

Many running on XP I am told. “Server has been up for 6.3 years, never reboot 
this server...” 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Travis Johnson]

They keep all their servers in the same central location?? You would 
think someone the size of Delta would know better. They should look into 
this new thing called "the cloud"... I've heard it's an up-and-coming 
new technology that might really help them. LOL


Travis


On 8/9/2016 5:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
“According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a routine 
scheduled switch to the backup generator this morning at 2:30am caused 
a fire that destroyed both the backup and the primary. Firefighters 
took a while to extinguish the fire. Power is now back up and 400 out 
of the 500 servers rebooted, still waiting for the last 100 to have 
the whole system fully functional”
Many running on XP I am told.  “Server has been up for 6.3 years, 
never reboot this server...”

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Paul Stewart]

Yup … all you gotta tell gamers is that IPv6 is 2ms faster than IPv4 and 
they’ll fork up the money .. haha

I actually see escalated tickets come into our NOC team over a 2ms difference 
on pings comparing us to another provider sometimes .. 


> On Aug 9, 2016, at 5:44 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I’ll bet you could charge gamers extra for IPv6.  Your game console can have 
> its own public IP address!  No NAT not even in your router!
>  
> Oh wait, PSN isn’t on IPv6.  Oh, and when they tell you to forward ports, 
> good luck figuring out how that applies to IPv6.
>  
>  
> From: Chuck McCown 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 3:37 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>  
> So, instead of everyone investing in more IP (I am doing it too) focus on 
> perfecting the CGNAT/V6 only solution.
>  
> From: Mike Hammett 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 12:45 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>  
> I think my friend is second on the list for a...  /20? I think he's expecting 
> to get it within a year. If you didn't join the waiting list in the first 
> couple weeks, it's a pipe dream.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Seth Mattinen" >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:38:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> 
> On 8/9/16 11:34, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > If you can work with a smaller subnet buy a smaller one?
> >
> > If you do need a /21 what other option do you have besides buying a /21?
> >
> 
> 
> ARIN's waiting list of broken dreams.

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

+1 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 4:37:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

> So, instead of everyone investing in more IP (I am doing it too) focus on
> perfecting the CGNAT/V6 only solution.
> From: Mike Hammett
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 12:45 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> I think my friend is second on the list for a... /20? I think he's expecting 
> to
> get it within a year. If you didn't join the waiting list in the first couple
> weeks, it's a pipe dream.

> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions

> Midwest Internet Exchange

> The Brothers WISP

> From: "Seth Mattinen" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:38:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

> On 8/9/16 11:34, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > If you can work with a smaller subnet buy a smaller one?

> > If you do need a /21 what other option do you have besides buying a /21?


> ARIN's waiting list of broken dreams.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Sterling Jacobson]

Isn’t XP “Server” an oxymoron?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 5:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

“According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a routine scheduled 
switch to the backup generator this morning at 2:30am caused a fire that 
destroyed both the backup and the primary. Firefighters took a while to 
extinguish the fire. Power is now back up and 400 out of the 500 servers 
rebooted, still waiting for the last 100 to have the whole system fully 
functional”

Many running on XP I am told.  “Server has been up for 6.3 years, never reboot 
this server...”

Re: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

That's true.  Any my biggest bottleneck currently is my self on the accounting 
side.
Don't trust it to anyone else.
Requires a LOT of time

I also seem to be doing a lot of our ordering.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Reynolds 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 4:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be


  A properly running operation will give you plenty of time to research new 
technology, further your IT/business education, or evaluate potential business 
opportunities. 

  If you're only treading water, you're going to miss out on a lot of 
opportunities.

  *shrug*



  On Aug 9, 2016 4:11 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  wrote:


I think you guys (Ken and Jamie) have time to surf the web everyday LOL

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jaime Solorza 
  To: Animal Farm 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 3:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be


  Good one.. Thanks... I sent her this link
  
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/here-are-what-cell-phone-signals-would-look-like-if-you-could-see-them



  On Aug 9, 2016 2:54 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

How about audio.  The difference between listening to music over a 
telephone vs a high end audio system.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 2:51 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be

She asked if I could show her what the radio signal coming out a 
smartphone versus an old cellphone looked like... I asked her why she thought 
the signals were different... "Well grandpa, smart phones play videos and 
Internet stuff, so the signals are fatter... Like bigger pipes for more 
water..."...wow...i showed her what RF signals look like on spectrum analyzers 
but told her that is only a measurement systemi am looking for some visual 
representations...any ideas your brainier guys than me? 

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

[Trey Scarborough]

I set mine up by default the long way. So that all traffic generated by 
default from my routers is the Loopback address. Its good for 
EOIP/BGP/IPSEC/Radius/Syslog/etc. Then again like I said I set it up 
from the start this way so it can change a lot of configurations if you 
do it after anything is programed to use another IP.



On 8/9/2016 12:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

There is  reason why I suggested you go the short way.

The long way, is the technical attribute that can offer you a fix, but I
cringe t think of how it may affect your network.


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:22:03 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

can you detail the long way
in this instance, I just want it to be if it is traffic generated by
the router destined for tcp port 25 present as 1.2.3.4 but dont
impact anything else, what I dont want to risk is OSPF breaking or
dropping an EOIP tunnel because that traffic is presenting differently

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
> wrote:

There is a long way to solve this problem and there is a short
way to solve this problem.

short way first:-

Mikrotik supports user authentication on out bound mail, so all
you need to do is create a valid email user account on our mail
server  and use those credentials in your MT router Email
settings so that you don't need an 'open mail relay'.

Long way:-

There is a setting call set-pref-src=  in the routing filters,
which accomplishes what you are asking for, however you will
have to figure out on how exactly to tailor it to work for your
environment. (I had to find this setting for one of our Peering
Routers, a bit of a long story).

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:51:03 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

right or wrong, i want to set up an open mail relay on our
network for mikrotik backups. I want to lock the relay down
to only accept traffic from our internal subnet for loopback
IPs on the site routers. How do I make specific traffic
always present as the same IP no matter which interface it
exits since i cant seem to find a way to masquerade the
output chain
if it is doable, is there also a way to add a line to our
default configs that will set the presentation IP to
whatever the loopback IP on that device is?

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but
you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already
failed as part of the team.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Chuck McCown]

“According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a routine scheduled 
switch to the backup generator this morning at 2:30am caused a fire that 
destroyed both the backup and the primary. Firefighters took a while to 
extinguish the fire. Power is now back up and 400 out of the 500 servers 
rebooted, still waiting for the last 100 to have the whole system fully 
functional”

Many running on XP I am told.  “Server has been up for 6.3 years, never reboot 
this server...”

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna

[Joe Falaschi]

Oh yea, we were having GPS issues as well the 1000 that the 2000 fixed, thanks 
for reminding me George.

Mike, we have the BSA deployed in Lake In The Hills and Carpentersville 
Illinois.  I’ll send you a private email tomorrow when I have more time.  But, 
in short I’d say deploy them if you need to get higher modulations on your 
uplink.  We were having difficulty doing 5Mbps uplinks before 2000.

Joe


> On Aug 8, 2016, at 6:13 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Joe's network is the case study Cambium has put out.
> 
> Do you have ones without the receive antenna in the more suburban parts of 
> your network? Okay without or does it need it? I'm looking to add some 
> sectors to that Oswego tower that we shared and contemplating the base setup 
> or going all out. If you don't remember, the interference at that site is -70 
> to -75.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Joe Falaschi" >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:49:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna
> 
> We have maybe about 8 EPMP 2000 radios deployed.  I think only three have the 
> beam steer antenna on them.  All new deployments that would have been 1000 
> are now 2000 because of the filtering and the ability to bolt on the beam 
> steer antenna if needed later.  Between elevation and azimuth, I think the 
> system can choose from 1 out of 256 ways to form a beam at each time slot.  I 
> could have that wrong but I remember it being a larger number than I was 
> expecting.
> 
> Joe Falaschi
> e-vergent
> 
> 
> On Aug 8, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
> 
> Worst case you deploy the ePMP 2000 radio on the new sector and then you add 
> the receive beamforming antenna when you're ready to take a drink. The better 
> antenna and radio is ~$100 more than the existing setup.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 2:44:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna
> 
> has anyone actually deployed these? we ended up opting to not go with them 
> for this round of EPMP deployments because it sounds too much like unicorns 
> farting butterflies
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
> The 90*?  It's been posted a bunch of times.  There's really no other 
> possibility for that product anyway - 120 can't (won't?) do frequency reuse.
> 
> I'm not 100% on the number of beams.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Adam Moffett  > wrote:
> That's the same spec sheet I was just looking at.  No gain or beamwidth on 
> there.  Did you hear your info verbally perhaps?
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman"  >
> To: "af@afmug.com " >
> Sent: 8/8/2016 12:23:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP beam forming antenna
>  
> 90* overall and I think 7x 13* individual? 
> 
> Dimensions are here 
> http://www.doubleradius.com/site/stores/cambium/Cambium-ePMP-2000-Smart-Antenna-datasheet.pdf
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On 

Re: [AFMUG] License Keys

[Sean Heskett]

i think i remember when we did our 2 links i had to call cambium support
and they had to push the request along manually (this was last year tho so
my memory is foggy)

-sean


On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:

> I normally get them within 15 minutes.
>
> roland
>
> > How long does it take to get a license key for a PTP820s?
>
> I�ve been waiting about 30 min so far <
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be

[Ken Hohhof]

OK, here’s some web browsing results for you.

http://www.asrcreviews.org/nad-recommends-comcast-discontinue-fastest-internet-claims-fastest-in-home-wi-fi-claims-in-certain-contexts-comcast-to-appeal/

Their logic puzzles me.  I expected their complaint to be that Comcast wasn’t 
faster than competitors like Google Fiber.  But no.  They complained that 
Comcast didn’t have the “fastest Internet” if you didn’t purchase the fastest 
speed.

“Here, NAD noted that although XFINITY offers a variety of speeds at a range of 
prices and tiers, Comcast’s advertising does not limit its claims to a 
particular tier.  NAD determined that the claims at issue in both print and 
broadcast advertising reasonably conveyed a message of overall superiority – 
that regardless of which speed tier purchased by a consumer, in a head-to-head 
comparison, XFINITY would deliver faster speeds.”


From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be


I think you guys (Ken and Jamie) have time to surf the web everyday LOL

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jaime Solorza 
  To: Animal Farm 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 3:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be

  Good one.. Thanks... I sent her this link
  
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/here-are-what-cell-phone-signals-would-look-like-if-you-could-see-them


  On Aug 9, 2016 2:54 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

How about audio.  The difference between listening to music over a 
telephone vs a high end audio system.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 2:51 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be

She asked if I could show her what the radio signal coming out a smartphone 
versus an old cellphone looked like... I asked her why she thought the signals 
were different... "Well grandpa, smart phones play videos and Internet stuff, 
so the signals are fatter... Like bigger pipes for more water..."...wow...i 
showed her what RF signals look like on spectrum analyzers but told her that is 
only a measurement systemi am looking for some visual representations...any 
ideas your brainier guys than me? 

Re: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be

[Jaime Solorza]

Nope... Time management

On Aug 9, 2016 3:11 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
> I think you guys (Ken and Jamie) have time to surf the web everyday LOL
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 3:56 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be
>
> Good one.. Thanks... I sent her this link
> http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/here-are-what-cell-phone-
> signals-would-look-like-if-you-could-see-them
>
> On Aug 9, 2016 2:54 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> How about audio.  The difference between listening to music over a
>> telephone vs a high end audio system.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 2:51 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be
>>
>>
>> She asked if I could show her what the radio signal coming out a
>> smartphone versus an old cellphone looked like... I asked her why she
>> thought the signals were different... "Well grandpa, smart phones play
>> videos and Internet stuff, so the signals are fatter... Like bigger pipes
>> for more water..."...wow...i showed her what RF signals look like on
>> spectrum analyzers but told her that is only a measurement systemi am
>> looking for some visual representations...any ideas your brainier guys than
>> me?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Ken Hohhof]

I’ll bet you could charge gamers extra for IPv6.  Your game console can have 
its own public IP address!  No NAT not even in your router!

Oh wait, PSN isn’t on IPv6.  Oh, and when they tell you to forward ports, good 
luck figuring out how that applies to IPv6.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 3:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

So, instead of everyone investing in more IP (I am doing it too) focus on 
perfecting the CGNAT/V6 only solution.

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 12:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

I think my friend is second on the list for a...  /20? I think he's expecting 
to get it within a year. If you didn't join the waiting list in the first 
couple weeks, it's a pipe dream.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Seth Mattinen" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:38:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

On 8/9/16 11:34, Josh Luthman wrote:
> If you can work with a smaller subnet buy a smaller one?
>
> If you do need a /21 what other option do you have besides buying a /21?
>


ARIN's waiting list of broken dreams.

Re: [AFMUG] License Keys

[Roland Houin]

I normally get them within 15 minutes.

roland

> How long does it take to get a license key for a PTP820s?

I�ve been waiting about 30 min so far <

Re: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be

[Josh Reynolds]

A properly running operation will give you plenty of time to research new
technology, further your IT/business education, or evaluate potential
business opportunities.

If you're only treading water, you're going to miss out on a lot of
opportunities.

*shrug*

On Aug 9, 2016 4:11 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
> I think you guys (Ken and Jamie) have time to surf the web everyday LOL
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 3:56 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be
>
> Good one.. Thanks... I sent her this link
> http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/here-are-what-cell-phone-
> signals-would-look-like-if-you-could-see-them
>
> On Aug 9, 2016 2:54 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> How about audio.  The difference between listening to music over a
>> telephone vs a high end audio system.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 2:51 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be
>>
>>
>> She asked if I could show her what the radio signal coming out a
>> smartphone versus an old cellphone looked like... I asked her why she
>> thought the signals were different... "Well grandpa, smart phones play
>> videos and Internet stuff, so the signals are fatter... Like bigger pipes
>> for more water..."...wow...i showed her what RF signals look like on
>> spectrum analyzers but told her that is only a measurement systemi am
>> looking for some visual representations...any ideas your brainier guys than
>> me?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I think you guys (Ken and Jamie) have time to surf the web everyday LOL

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jaime Solorza 
  To: Animal Farm 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 3:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be


  Good one.. Thanks... I sent her this link
  
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/here-are-what-cell-phone-signals-would-look-like-if-you-could-see-them



  On Aug 9, 2016 2:54 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

How about audio.  The difference between listening to music over a 
telephone vs a high end audio system.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 2:51 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be

She asked if I could show her what the radio signal coming out a smartphone 
versus an old cellphone looked like... I asked her why she thought the signals 
were different... "Well grandpa, smart phones play videos and Internet stuff, 
so the signals are fatter... Like bigger pipes for more water..."...wow...i 
showed her what RF signals look like on spectrum analyzers but told her that is 
only a measurement systemi am looking for some visual representations...any 
ideas your brainier guys than me? 

Re: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be

[Jaime Solorza]

Good one.. Thanks... I sent her this link
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/here-are-what-cell-phone-signals-would-look-like-if-you-could-see-them

On Aug 9, 2016 2:54 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> How about audio.  The difference between listening to music over a
> telephone vs a high end audio system.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 2:51 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be
>
>
> She asked if I could show her what the radio signal coming out a
> smartphone versus an old cellphone looked like... I asked her why she
> thought the signals were different... "Well grandpa, smart phones play
> videos and Internet stuff, so the signals are fatter... Like bigger pipes
> for more water..."...wow...i showed her what RF signals look like on
> spectrum analyzers but told her that is only a measurement systemi am
> looking for some visual representations...any ideas your brainier guys than
> me?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be

[Chuck McCown]

How about audio.  The difference between listening to music over a telephone vs 
a high end audio system.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 2:51 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be

She asked if I could show her what the radio signal coming out a smartphone 
versus an old cellphone looked like... I asked her why she thought the signals 
were different... "Well grandpa, smart phones play videos and Internet stuff, 
so the signals are fatter... Like bigger pipes for more water..."...wow...i 
showed her what RF signals look like on spectrum analyzers but told her that is 
only a measurement systemi am looking for some visual representations...any 
ideas your brainier guys than me? 

[AFMUG] Imagination of my 8 yr old engineer to be

[Jaime Solorza]

She asked if I could show her what the radio signal coming out a smartphone
versus an old cellphone looked like... I asked her why she thought the
signals were different... "Well grandpa, smart phones play videos and
Internet stuff, so the signals are fatter... Like bigger pipes for more
water..."...wow...i showed her what RF signals look like on spectrum
analyzers but told her that is only a measurement systemi am looking
for some visual representations...any ideas your brainier guys than me?

Re: [AFMUG] Console server with cellular connectivity for OOB management

[Jaime Solorza]

Isn't Cradlepoint located there?

On Aug 9, 2016 2:38 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

> The Seattle transit system is using cradlepoint routers with wifi on some
> bus lines for "free" captive portal wifi...
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> We used Cradlepoint on school buses... They were okay.
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2016 1:40 PM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:
>>
>>> Just an update for those who care:
>>>
>>> We ended up going with a used Cradlepoint 750B w/ Verizon LTE model
>>> (eBay) and an AirConsole from Get-Console [1].
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.get-console.com/shop/en/device-servers/118-a
>>> irconsole-ts-8n-port.html
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 They're pretty f'king awesome.

 Sometimes they disconnect from the cloud server if you use that (I
 think it happens if the AP reboots, if you're connecting them via
 wifi).

 Otherwise, I love them. The larger models have a built in battery and
 you can charge your phone with them :P

 On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
 > These look interesting.. and cheap.  Have you used one?  Any feedback?
 >
 > On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:
 >>
 >> I know that the airconsole guys are supposed to have support for 3G
 >> USB dongles "soon". I don't know if that means "tomorrow" or "two
 >> WISPAPALOOZAS" from now :P
 >>
 >> www.get-console.com
 >>
 >> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Josh Baird 
 wrote:
 >> > Anybody doing this?  I'm looking at various Avocent Cyclades
 models that
 >> > I
 >> > can 'plug' some type of cellular GSM modem into.. or maybe one
 that has
 >> > an
 >> > integrated modem?
 >> >
 >> > Not trying to spend a fortune here, so I'm probably looking for
 >> > something
 >> > used on eBay.
 >> >
 >> > Josh
 >
 >

>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Console server with cellular connectivity for OOB management

[Eric Kuhnke]

The Seattle transit system is using cradlepoint routers with wifi on some
bus lines for "free" captive portal wifi...

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We used Cradlepoint on school buses... They were okay.
>
> On Aug 8, 2016 1:40 PM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:
>
>> Just an update for those who care:
>>
>> We ended up going with a used Cradlepoint 750B w/ Verizon LTE model
>> (eBay) and an AirConsole from Get-Console [1].
>>
>> [1] https://www.get-console.com/shop/en/device-servers/118-
>> airconsole-ts-8n-port.html
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They're pretty f'king awesome.
>>>
>>> Sometimes they disconnect from the cloud server if you use that (I
>>> think it happens if the AP reboots, if you're connecting them via
>>> wifi).
>>>
>>> Otherwise, I love them. The larger models have a built in battery and
>>> you can charge your phone with them :P
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>> > These look interesting.. and cheap.  Have you used one?  Any feedback?
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I know that the airconsole guys are supposed to have support for 3G
>>> >> USB dongles "soon". I don't know if that means "tomorrow" or "two
>>> >> WISPAPALOOZAS" from now :P
>>> >>
>>> >> www.get-console.com
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Josh Baird 
>>> wrote:
>>> >> > Anybody doing this?  I'm looking at various Avocent Cyclades models
>>> that
>>> >> > I
>>> >> > can 'plug' some type of cellular GSM modem into.. or maybe one that
>>> has
>>> >> > an
>>> >> > integrated modem?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Not trying to spend a fortune here, so I'm probably looking for
>>> >> > something
>>> >> > used on eBay.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Josh
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Chuck McCown]

So, instead of everyone investing in more IP (I am doing it too) focus on 
perfecting the CGNAT/V6 only solution.

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 12:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

I think my friend is second on the list for a...  /20? I think he's expecting 
to get it within a year. If you didn't join the waiting list in the first 
couple weeks, it's a pipe dream.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Seth Mattinen" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:38:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

On 8/9/16 11:34, Josh Luthman wrote:
> If you can work with a smaller subnet buy a smaller one?
>
> If you do need a /21 what other option do you have besides buying a /21?
>


ARIN's waiting list of broken dreams.

Re: [AFMUG] Console server with cellular connectivity for OOB management

[Jaime Solorza]

We used Cradlepoint on school buses... They were okay.

On Aug 8, 2016 1:40 PM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:

> Just an update for those who care:
>
> We ended up going with a used Cradlepoint 750B w/ Verizon LTE model (eBay)
> and an AirConsole from Get-Console [1].
>
> [1] https://www.get-console.com/shop/en/device-servers/
> 118-airconsole-ts-8n-port.html
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> They're pretty f'king awesome.
>>
>> Sometimes they disconnect from the cloud server if you use that (I
>> think it happens if the AP reboots, if you're connecting them via
>> wifi).
>>
>> Otherwise, I love them. The larger models have a built in battery and
>> you can charge your phone with them :P
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>> > These look interesting.. and cheap.  Have you used one?  Any feedback?
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I know that the airconsole guys are supposed to have support for 3G
>> >> USB dongles "soon". I don't know if that means "tomorrow" or "two
>> >> WISPAPALOOZAS" from now :P
>> >>
>> >> www.get-console.com
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Josh Baird 
>> wrote:
>> >> > Anybody doing this?  I'm looking at various Avocent Cyclades models
>> that
>> >> > I
>> >> > can 'plug' some type of cellular GSM modem into.. or maybe one that
>> has
>> >> > an
>> >> > integrated modem?
>> >> >
>> >> > Not trying to spend a fortune here, so I'm probably looking for
>> >> > something
>> >> > used on eBay.
>> >> >
>> >> > Josh
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Paul Stewart]

We charge $4/month currently .. in my previous job it wasn’t offered to 
residential, only business and then was free (competitive advantage kind of 
thing)

> On Aug 9, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> 
> Comcast (may be old pricing): $15 / mo
> Comcast business: $20 / mo
> AT: $15 - $40 / mo
> Verizon Wireless: $500 "one time setup fee" (ZOINKS!, that is the
> wireless division though...)
> Verizon FIOS: $20 / mo (depends on bundling options, it's actually
> more expensive on the higher plans!, see here:
> https://www.verizon.com/smallbusiness/products/business-FiOS-Internet/packages/
> )
> CenturyTel: has had $20 / mo pricing since 2011 and possibly before:
> https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25926181-CenturyTel-20-per-month-fee-for-single-static-IP-address-seem
> CenturyLink (Qwest network): $10 / mo with $75 setup fee
> Time Warner: $20 / mo
> Google Fiber: $20 for 1 /mo, $30 for 5 / mo
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  
> wrote:
>> Yes, but that is direct retail side, and that is most likely reflective of
>> internal policy.. (running server on a static IP)... thus getting a premium
>> for that type of use.
>> 
>> Bulk of the broadband providers are still in the $3 to $5 / ip range.
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> 
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:17:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>> 
>> The residential ISPs have been preparing for this by charging up to $30/Mo
>> :( see Google.
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 9, 2016 8:54 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yeah, projections from the same folks who create  stock market bubbles !
>>> LOL!, there is no shortage of folks making up numbers as needed.
>>> 
>>> Logically speaking, look at the trending lease price, in the range of $1
>>> to $2 /ip /month... which would give a very good clue on purchase price.
>>> 
>>> For a $300 to $500 per IP valuation, the ongoing lease rate would need to
>>> be in the $10/$20 /month range. Which I have a hard time visualizing...
>>> 
>>> Retail rental/lease from Upstream IP transit providers is still running
>>> somewhere between Free to less than $3-$5/ip/month. Depending on the ARPU of
>>> the BW purchase.
>>> 
>>> my 2.5 cents worth.
>>> 
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>> 
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Reynolds" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:55:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>>> 
 Reasonable projections (IMO) I have seen are $30 to $40 per IP. I have
 seen some projections talking $100-$200 per IP. This is a one time fee
 though, not including RIR transfer and annual fee (much smaller than
 the cost of the block, based on total allocations to you).
 
 On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
  wrote:
> $13 per IP on a /24  wow.
> 
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>> 
>> He created a toaster?? LOL
>> 
>> https://postscapes.com/internet-of-things-history/
>> 
>> Travis
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/8/2016 8:53 PM, Robert wrote:
>> 
>> He can afford to wait a long time  He was the developer of the
>> first
>> of one of the major devices on the internet.
>> 
>> On 8/8/16 5:24 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:
>> 
>> As in a /16 ?  he’ll be waiting a long time in my opinion …. (could be
>> dead wrong there)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I monitor prices every so often to “check in” and see what the market
>> is
>> doing … seen prices drop in the past few months, not sure why –
>> guessing
>> that it’s because the market is slowing down and/or there are more
>> blocks
>> coming available
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
>> Sent: August 8, 2016 7:39 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A friend of mine has an unused Class B...   But he's going to wait for
>> $300-500 pricing...  LOL...
>> 
>> On 8/8/16 3:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> 
>> besides ip auctions.com Anyone knows of of ip address sources for
>> buying?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Paul Stewart]

I also worked with several providers whom for the past 6-8 years knew that IPv4 
was running out .. most had already deployed IPv6 at that point to stay ahead 
of any “sudden rushes” … but along that route (pardon the pun), some of those 
providers started SWIP’ing out as much IP space as they could as a means of 
“stock piling” IP blocks - i can remember one example where the provider used a 
public /16 IP block for managing  devices at a University (firewalled out) so 
that they could SWIP that space to the University and show it as used … later 
they could easily renumber that IP space to private block(s) and claim it 
back...



> On Aug 9, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Uh... Pretty sure it's the schools with /16 and DOD with a dozen /8 before 
> all of the WISPs to blame for exhaustion :)
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Aug 9, 2016 12:26 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  > wrote:
> Thanks
> 
> So see? It's all you WISP cowboys out there GIVING IPs away for
> pennies that's caused the world to run out of addresses!
> 
> It's not the datacenter monkeys and "DevOPs" folks, oh no.
> 
> /s
> 
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Josh Luthman
> > wrote:
> > Great list.  Nice work.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340 
> > Direct: 937-552-2343 
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Aug 9, 2016 12:19 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  > > wrote:
> >>
> >> Comcast (may be old pricing): $15 / mo
> >> Comcast business: $20 / mo
> >> AT: $15 - $40 / mo
> >> Verizon Wireless: $500 "one time setup fee" (ZOINKS!, that is the
> >> wireless division though...)
> >> Verizon FIOS: $20 / mo (depends on bundling options, it's actually
> >> more expensive on the higher plans!, see here:
> >>
> >> https://www.verizon.com/smallbusiness/products/business-FiOS-Internet/packages/
> >>  
> >> 
> >> )
> >> CenturyTel: has had $20 / mo pricing since 2011 and possibly before:
> >>
> >> https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25926181-CenturyTel-20-per-month-fee-for-single-static-IP-address-seem
> >>  
> >> 
> >> CenturyLink (Qwest network): $10 / mo with $75 setup fee
> >> Time Warner: $20 / mo
> >> Google Fiber: $20 for 1 /mo, $30 for 5 / mo
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  >> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > Yes, but that is direct retail side, and that is most likely reflective
> >> > of
> >> > internal policy.. (running server on a static IP)... thus getting a
> >> > premium
> >> > for that type of use.
> >> >
> >> > Bulk of the broadband providers are still in the $3 to $5 / ip range.
> >> >
> >> > Faisal Imtiaz
> >> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> >> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> >> > Miami, FL 33155
> >> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
> >> >
> >> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or Email: 
> >> > supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> >
> >> > From: "Josh Reynolds"  >> > >
> >> > To: af@afmug.com 
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:17:45 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> >> >
> >> > The residential ISPs have been preparing for this by charging up to
> >> > $30/Mo
> >> > :( see Google.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Aug 9, 2016 8:54 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  >> > >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> yeah, projections from the same folks who create  stock market bubbles
> >> >> !
> >> >> LOL!, there is no shortage of folks making up numbers as needed.
> >> >>
> >> >> Logically speaking, look at the trending lease price, in the range of
> >> >> $1
> >> >> to $2 /ip /month... which would give a very good clue on purchase
> >> >> price.
> >> >>
> >> >> For a $300 to $500 per IP valuation, the ongoing lease rate would need
> >> >> to
> >> >> be in the $10/$20 /month range. Which I have a hard time visualizing...
> >> >>
> >> >> Retail rental/lease from Upstream IP transit providers is still running
> >> >> somewhere between Free to less than $3-$5/ip/month. Depending on the
> >> >> ARPU of
> >> >> the BW purchase.
> >> >>
> >> >> my 2.5 cents worth.
> >> >>
> >> >> Faisal Imtiaz
> >> >> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> >> >> 7266 SW 48 Street
> >> >> Miami, FL 33155
> >> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >> >>
> >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >> >>
> >> >> - Original Message -
> >> >> > From: "Josh 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Tim Reichhart]

sometimes upstream providers will swip block of ip's.




-Original Message-
From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 08/09/16 03:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

Considering that buying at $10/IP pays for itself in less than a year vs 
leasing at 1.20/ip/month , if capex is a problem, some sort of loan to acquire 
individual /24s through the purchase transfer process is MUCH less costly over 
a period of the next 24-48 months.

 
 
On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

 
Consider leasing approx $1.20 / ip / month.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



From: "Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI)" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 2:32:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?


I really need a /21 right now.  It's becoming a nightmare.  Don't really want 
to break them up into small subnets but I also don't want to offload that kind 
of cash either.


Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net
 
Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers! 

On Aug 9, 2016, at 2:22 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:



 
Wow, our /22 from ARIN is $500 / year ;)
I hope we don't outgrow that soon - but we will
 
- Original Message -
From: Andreas Wiatowski
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

I just paid a little over 10k for a /22.  Transfer process from start to
finish took about 2 weeks.

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
519-449-5656 x-600








On 2016-08-08, 9:14 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

>When we purchased, per IP on a /20 was at $8. Per IP on a /24 was
>around $9 or $9.50. It's currently at $13 per IP on a /24. This was
>roughly 4 months ago.
>
>
>
>On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>> As in a /16 ?  he'll be waiting a long time in my opinion …. (could be
>>dead
>> wrong there)
>>
>>
>>
>> I monitor prices every so often to "check in" and see what the market is
>> doing … seen prices drop in the past few months, not sure why - guessing
>> that it's because the market is slowing down and/or there are more
>>blocks
>> coming available
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
>> Sent: August 8, 2016 7:39 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>>
>>
>>
>> A friend of mine has an unused Class B...   But he's going to wait for
>> $300-500 pricing...  LOL...
>>
>> On 8/8/16 3:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>> besides ip auctions.com Anyone knows of of ip address sources for
>>buying?
>>
>>
 


 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Eric Kuhnke]

Considering that buying at $10/IP pays for itself in less than a year vs
leasing at 1.20/ip/month , if capex is a problem, some sort of loan to
acquire individual /24s through the purchase transfer process is MUCH less
costly over a period of the next 24-48 months.


On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Consider leasing approx $1.20 / ip / month.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI)" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 2:32:32 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>
> I really need a /21 right now.  It's becoming a nightmare.  Don't really
> want to break them up into small subnets but I also don't want to offload
> that kind of cash either.
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
>  *Internet Communications Inc.*
>  *739 Commerce Dr.*
>  *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
> *Online: **www.surfici.net*
>
>
>
> Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!
>
> On Aug 9, 2016, at 2:22 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:
>
>
> Wow, our /22 from ARIN is $500 / year ;)
> I hope we don't outgrow that soon - but we will
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Andreas Wiatowski 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 5:48 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>
> I just paid a little over 10k for a /22.  Transfer process from start to
> finish took about 2 weeks.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
> Silo Wireless Inc.
> 519-449-5656 x-600
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2016-08-08, 9:14 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> >When we purchased, per IP on a /20 was at $8. Per IP on a /24 was
> >around $9 or $9.50. It's currently at $13 per IP on a /24. This was
> >roughly 4 months ago.
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
> >> As in a /16 ?  he’ll be waiting a long time in my opinion …. (could be
> >>dead
> >> wrong there)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I monitor prices every so often to “check in” and see what the market is
> >> doing … seen prices drop in the past few months, not sure why – guessing
> >> that it’s because the market is slowing down and/or there are more
> >>blocks
> >> coming available
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On
> Behalf Of Robert
> >> Sent: August 8, 2016 7:39 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A friend of mine has an unused Class B...   But he's going to wait for
> >> $300-500 pricing...  LOL...
> >>
> >> On 8/8/16 3:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> >>
> >> besides ip auctions.com Anyone knows of of ip address sources for
> >>buying?
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] License Keys

[Dan Petermann]

How long does it take to get a license key for a PTP820s?

I’ve been waiting about 30 min so far

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Consider leasing approx $1.20 / ip / month. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI)" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 2:32:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

> I really need a /21 right now. It's becoming a nightmare. Don't really want to
> break them up into small subnets but I also don't want to offload that kind of
> cash either.

> Tyson Burris, President
> Internet Communications Inc.
> 739 Commerce Dr.
> Franklin, IN 46131

> 317-738-0320 Daytime #
> 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #
> Online: www.surfici.net

> Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!

> On Aug 9, 2016, at 2:22 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller < par...@cyberbroadband.net >
> wrote:

>> Wow, our /22 from ARIN is $500 / year ;)
>> I hope we don't outgrow that soon - but we will

>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Andreas Wiatowski
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 5:48 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

>>> I just paid a little over 10k for a /22. Transfer process from start to
>>> finish took about 2 weeks.

>>> Cheers,

>>> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
>>> Silo Wireless Inc.
>>> 519-449-5656 x-600

>>> On 2016-08-08, 9:14 PM, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote:

>>> >When we purchased, per IP on a /20 was at $8. Per IP on a /24 was
>>> >around $9 or $9.50. It's currently at $13 per IP on a /24. This was
>>> >roughly 4 months ago.



>>> >On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > 
>>> >wrote:
>>> >> As in a /16 ? he’ll be waiting a long time in my opinion …. (could be
>>> >>dead
>>> >> wrong there)



>>> >> I monitor prices every so often to “check in” and see what the market is
>>> >> doing … seen prices drop in the past few months, not sure why – guessing
>>> >> that it’s because the market is slowing down and/or there are more
>>> >>blocks
>>> >> coming available



>>> >> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Robert
>>> >> Sent: August 8, 2016 7:39 PM
>>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?



>>> >> A friend of mine has an unused Class B... But he's going to wait for
>>> >> $300-500 pricing... LOL...

>>> >> On 8/8/16 3:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

>>> >> besides ip auctions.com Anyone knows of of ip address sources for
>>> >>buying?

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Ken Hohhof]

Most IP addresses are not sold to the end user as a separate line item, but 
rather included as part of Internet service.  So the retail price of a 
static IP probably doesn't tell you much about market rate for an ISP to 
acquire IP space.


I think retail pricing for static IPs is based on marketing considerations 
more than wholesale price.  If you made the price zero, everyone would want 
one.  If you made it $1000, you would lose business to the competition.  So 
most ISPs probably charge $10 or $20 per month to cover their administrative 
cost, avoid frivolous requests, and to charge what the market will bear.



-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 1:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

I'm not arguing with you, it's posted info by the respective ISPs.

A single ip is expensive, a small block is cheaper per IP. This is
called economy of scale.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Tim Reichhart
 wrote:

Josh
the retail pricing for static IP for TWC is not 20 dollars because 13 
statics is about 50 dollars per month which it comes down to about 4 
dollars per IP and signal IP is about 10-15 dollars. Frontier 5 statics is 
about 20 dollars on business DSL.


-Original Message-

From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 08/09/16 02:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

Your comment was that the "bulk of broadband providers" are in the "$3
- $5" range.

I countered that with up to date (as up to date as I could find)
pricing with over 90% of the US broadband market, with some of that
pricing having been consistent since 2011.

*shrug*

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:

> and also look at the pricing on a /29 ...
> IPv4 pricing is not linear, cause how they assign it.
>
> I am not sure what were talking about anymore..
>
> The original discussion was in regards to Wholesale / Bulk Ip lease and 
> not Retail give me an IP for one end user  cost price.

>
> Retail price has a few more things built into it... especially cost 
> processing (labor) management and tracking..

>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:19:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>
>> Comcast (may be old pricing): $15 / mo
>> Comcast business: $20 / mo
>> AT: $15 - $40 / mo
>> Verizon Wireless: $500 "one time setup fee" (ZOINKS!, that is the
>> wireless division though...)
>> Verizon FIOS: $20 / mo (depends on bundling options, it's actually
>> more expensive on the higher plans!, see here:
>> 
https://www.verizon.com/smallbusiness/products/business-FiOS-Internet/packages/
>> )
>> CenturyTel: has had $20 / mo pricing since 2011 and possibly before:
>> 
https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25926181-CenturyTel-20-per-month-fee-for-single-static-IP-address-seem
>> CenturyLink (Qwest network): $10 / mo with $75 setup fee
>> Time Warner: $20 / mo
>> Google Fiber: $20 for 1 /mo, $30 for 5 / mo
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>>  wrote:
>>> Yes, but that is direct retail side, and that is most likely 
>>> reflective of
>>> internal policy.. (running server on a static IP)... thus getting a 
>>> premium

>>> for that type of use.
>>>
>>> Bulk of the broadband providers are still in the $3 to $5 / ip range.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:17:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>>>
>>> The residential ISPs have been preparing for this by charging up to 
>>> $30/Mo

>>> :( see Google.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2016 8:54 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  
>>> wrote:


 yeah, projections from the same folks who create  stock market 
 bubbles !

 LOL!, there is no shortage of folks making up numbers as needed.

 Logically speaking, look at the trending lease price, in the range 
 of $1
 to $2 /ip /month... which would give a very good clue on purchase 
 price.


 For a $300 to $500 per IP valuation, the ongoing lease rate would 
 need to
 be in the $10/$20 /month range. Which I have a hard time 
 visualizing...


 Retail rental/lease from Upstream IP transit providers is still 
 running
 somewhere between Free to less than $3-$5/ip/month. Depending on the 
 ARPU of

 the BW purchase.

 my 2.5 cents worth.

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Travis Johnson]

AND the people hanging on to /16 blocks to sell them later. :(

Travis

On 8/9/2016 10:30 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Uh... Pretty sure it's the schools with /16 and DOD with a dozen /8 
before all of the WISPs to blame for exhaustion :)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Aug 9, 2016 12:26 PM, "Josh Reynolds" > wrote:


Thanks

So see? It's all you WISP cowboys out there GIVING IPs away for
pennies that's caused the world to run out of addresses!

It's not the datacenter monkeys and "DevOPs" folks, oh no.

/s

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Josh Luthman
>
wrote:
> Great list.  Nice work.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2016 12:19 PM, "Josh Reynolds" > wrote:
>>
>> Comcast (may be old pricing): $15 / mo
>> Comcast business: $20 / mo
>> AT: $15 - $40 / mo
>> Verizon Wireless: $500 "one time setup fee" (ZOINKS!, that is the
>> wireless division though...)
>> Verizon FIOS: $20 / mo (depends on bundling options, it's actually
>> more expensive on the higher plans!, see here:
>>
>>

https://www.verizon.com/smallbusiness/products/business-FiOS-Internet/packages/


>> )
>> CenturyTel: has had $20 / mo pricing since 2011 and possibly
before:
>>
>>

https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25926181-CenturyTel-20-per-month-fee-for-single-static-IP-address-seem


>> CenturyLink (Qwest network): $10 / mo with $75 setup fee
>> Time Warner: $20 / mo
>> Google Fiber: $20 for 1 /mo, $30 for 5 / mo
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Faisal Imtiaz
>
>> wrote:
>> > Yes, but that is direct retail side, and that is most likely
reflective
>> > of
>> > internal policy.. (running server on a static IP)... thus
getting a
>> > premium
>> > for that type of use.
>> >
>> > Bulk of the broadband providers are still in the $3 to $5 /
ip range.
>> >
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> > 7266 SW 48 Street
>> > Miami, FL 33155
>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
>> >
>> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > From: "Josh Reynolds" >
>> > To: af@afmug.com 
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:17:45 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>> >
>> > The residential ISPs have been preparing for this by charging
up to
>> > $30/Mo
>> > :( see Google.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Aug 9, 2016 8:54 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"
>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> yeah, projections from the same folks who create  stock
market bubbles
>> >> !
>> >> LOL!, there is no shortage of folks making up numbers as needed.
>> >>
>> >> Logically speaking, look at the trending lease price, in the
range of
>> >> $1
>> >> to $2 /ip /month... which would give a very good clue on
purchase
>> >> price.
>> >>
>> >> For a $300 to $500 per IP valuation, the ongoing lease rate
would need
>> >> to
>> >> be in the $10/$20 /month range. Which I have a hard time
visualizing...
>> >>
>> >> Retail rental/lease from Upstream IP transit providers is
still running
>> >> somewhere between Free to less than $3-$5/ip/month.
Depending on the
>> >> ARPU of
>> >> the BW purchase.
>> >>
>> >> my 2.5 cents worth.
>> >>
>> >> Faisal Imtiaz
>> >> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> >> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> >> Miami, FL 33155
>> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> >>
>> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> > From: "Josh Reynolds" >
>> >> > To: af@afmug.com 
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:55:42 AM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>> >>
>> >> > Reasonable projections (IMO) I have seen are $30 to $40
per IP. I
>> >> > have
>> >> > seen some projections talking $100-$200 per IP. This is a
one 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I have seen uverse modems using ipv6 now

  - Original Message - 
  From: Seth Mattinen 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 11:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?


  On 8/9/16 09:45, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  >
  > I notice that my AT UVerse connection at home goes for months with the
  > same public IP even though I'm not paying for a static IP, in fact I
  > don't think it has ever changed.  But it COULD change unless I pay for a
  > static IP.


  I don't think it's guaranteed to remain a public IP either, it could 
  become CGN one day. A while back AT stopped allowing uverse from using 
  10/8 on the LAN side, which would be a prudent thing to do if you needed 
  to use that on the WAN side.

  ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Service in KC Liberty Area.

[Jaime Solorza]

Golden Prairie was one I knew about

On Aug 9, 2016 10:48 AM, "Mike Delp"  wrote:

> Hey guys, I have a need for service (~20Meg) at the following coordinates.
> I keep pushing for more wireless providers to be used for this stuff, but
> Have been late in the process on most links.  (Don't worry George, that
> Joliet location is still in the back of my mind.)
>
>
> 1223 Claycomo Road
> Kansas City MO 64119
>
> 39.204413, -94.487080
> or
> 39.202339, -94.490133
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Delp
>
> Visionable Surveillance Solutions
>
> 636-532-9171 X 112
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Mike Hammett]

I think my friend is second on the list for a... /20? I think he's expecting to 
get it within a year. If you didn't join the waiting list in the first couple 
weeks, it's a pipe dream. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Seth Mattinen"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:38:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale? 

On 8/9/16 11:34, Josh Luthman wrote: 
> If you can work with a smaller subnet buy a smaller one? 
> 
> If you do need a /21 what other option do you have besides buying a /21? 
> 


ARIN's waiting list of broken dreams. 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Josh Reynolds]

I'm not arguing with you, it's posted info by the respective ISPs.

A single ip is expensive, a small block is cheaper per IP. This is
called economy of scale.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Tim Reichhart
 wrote:
> Josh
> the retail pricing for static IP for TWC is not 20 dollars because 13 statics 
> is about 50 dollars per month which it comes down to about 4 dollars per IP 
> and signal IP is about 10-15 dollars. Frontier 5 statics is about 20 dollars 
> on business DSL.
>
> -Original Message-
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Date: 08/09/16 02:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>>
>> Your comment was that the "bulk of broadband providers" are in the "$3
>> - $5" range.
>>
>> I countered that with up to date (as up to date as I could find)
>> pricing with over 90% of the US broadband market, with some of that
>> pricing having been consistent since 2011.
>>
>> *shrug*
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  
>> wrote:
>> > and also look at the pricing on a /29 ...
>> > IPv4 pricing is not linear, cause how they assign it.
>> >
>> > I am not sure what were talking about anymore..
>> >
>> > The original discussion was in regards to Wholesale / Bulk Ip lease and 
>> > not Retail give me an IP for one end user  cost price.
>> >
>> > Retail price has a few more things built into it... especially cost 
>> > processing (labor) management and tracking..
>> >
>> > Regards.
>> >
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> > 7266 SW 48 Street
>> > Miami, FL 33155
>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> >
>> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> >> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:19:22 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>> >
>> >> Comcast (may be old pricing): $15 / mo
>> >> Comcast business: $20 / mo
>> >> AT: $15 - $40 / mo
>> >> Verizon Wireless: $500 "one time setup fee" (ZOINKS!, that is the
>> >> wireless division though...)
>> >> Verizon FIOS: $20 / mo (depends on bundling options, it's actually
>> >> more expensive on the higher plans!, see here:
>> >> https://www.verizon.com/smallbusiness/products/business-FiOS-Internet/packages/
>> >> )
>> >> CenturyTel: has had $20 / mo pricing since 2011 and possibly before:
>> >> https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25926181-CenturyTel-20-per-month-fee-for-single-static-IP-address-seem
>> >> CenturyLink (Qwest network): $10 / mo with $75 setup fee
>> >> Time Warner: $20 / mo
>> >> Google Fiber: $20 for 1 /mo, $30 for 5 / mo
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> Yes, but that is direct retail side, and that is most likely reflective 
>> >>> of
>> >>> internal policy.. (running server on a static IP)... thus getting a 
>> >>> premium
>> >>> for that type of use.
>> >>>
>> >>> Bulk of the broadband providers are still in the $3 to $5 / ip range.
>> >>>
>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> >>> Miami, FL 33155
>> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> >>>
>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> >>> To: af@afmug.com
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:17:45 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>> >>>
>> >>> The residential ISPs have been preparing for this by charging up to 
>> >>> $30/Mo
>> >>> :( see Google.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Aug 9, 2016 8:54 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>> 
>>  yeah, projections from the same folks who create  stock market bubbles !
>>  LOL!, there is no shortage of folks making up numbers as needed.
>> 
>>  Logically speaking, look at the trending lease price, in the range of $1
>>  to $2 /ip /month... which would give a very good clue on purchase price.
>> 
>>  For a $300 to $500 per IP valuation, the ongoing lease rate would need 
>>  to
>>  be in the $10/$20 /month range. Which I have a hard time visualizing...
>> 
>>  Retail rental/lease from Upstream IP transit providers is still running
>>  somewhere between Free to less than $3-$5/ip/month. Depending on the 
>>  ARPU of
>>  the BW purchase.
>> 
>>  my 2.5 cents worth.
>> 
>>  Faisal Imtiaz
>>  Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>  7266 SW 48 Street
>>  Miami, FL 33155
>>  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> 
>>  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>>  - Original Message -
>>  > From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>>  > To: af@afmug.com
>>  > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:55:42 AM
>>  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>> 
>>  > Reasonable 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Tim Reichhart]

single* dam auto correct.

-Original Message- 
> From: "Tim Reichhart"  
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Date: 08/09/16 02:36 PM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale? 
> 
> Josh
> the retail pricing for static IP for TWC is not 20 dollars because 13 statics 
> is about 50 dollars per month which it comes down to about 4 dollars per IP 
> and signal IP is about 10-15 dollars. Frontier 5 statics is about 20 dollars 
> on business DSL.
> 
> -Original Message- 
> > From: "Josh Reynolds"  
> > To: af@afmug.com 
> > Date: 08/09/16 02:29 PM 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale? 
> > 
> > Your comment was that the "bulk of broadband providers" are in the "$3
> > - $5" range.
> > 
> > I countered that with up to date (as up to date as I could find)
> > pricing with over 90% of the US broadband market, with some of that
> > pricing having been consistent since 2011.
> > 
> > *shrug*
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  
> > wrote:
> > > and also look at the pricing on a /29 ...
> > > IPv4 pricing is not linear, cause how they assign it.
> > >
> > > I am not sure what were talking about anymore..
> > >
> > > The original discussion was in regards to Wholesale / Bulk Ip lease and 
> > > not Retail give me an IP for one end user  cost price.
> > >
> > > Retail price has a few more things built into it... especially cost 
> > > processing (labor) management and tracking..
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > >
> > > Faisal Imtiaz
> > > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > > Miami, FL 33155
> > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> > >
> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > >> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> > >> To: af@afmug.com
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:19:22 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> > >
> > >> Comcast (may be old pricing): $15 / mo
> > >> Comcast business: $20 / mo
> > >> AT: $15 - $40 / mo
> > >> Verizon Wireless: $500 "one time setup fee" (ZOINKS!, that is the
> > >> wireless division though...)
> > >> Verizon FIOS: $20 / mo (depends on bundling options, it's actually
> > >> more expensive on the higher plans!, see here:
> > >> https://www.verizon.com/smallbusiness/products/business-FiOS-Internet/packages/
> > >> )
> > >> CenturyTel: has had $20 / mo pricing since 2011 and possibly before:
> > >> https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25926181-CenturyTel-20-per-month-fee-for-single-static-IP-address-seem
> > >> CenturyLink (Qwest network): $10 / mo with $75 setup fee
> > >> Time Warner: $20 / mo
> > >> Google Fiber: $20 for 1 /mo, $30 for 5 / mo
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> > >>  wrote:
> > >>> Yes, but that is direct retail side, and that is most likely reflective 
> > >>> of
> > >>> internal policy.. (running server on a static IP)... thus getting a 
> > >>> premium
> > >>> for that type of use.
> > >>>
> > >>> Bulk of the broadband providers are still in the $3 to $5 / ip range.
> > >>>
> > >>> Faisal Imtiaz
> > >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
> > >>> Miami, FL 33155
> > >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> > >>>
> > >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> > >>>
> > >>> 
> > >>>
> > >>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> > >>> To: af@afmug.com
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:17:45 AM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> > >>>
> > >>> The residential ISPs have been preparing for this by charging up to 
> > >>> $30/Mo
> > >>> :( see Google.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Aug 9, 2016 8:54 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  
> > >>> wrote:
> > 
> >  yeah, projections from the same folks who create  stock market bubbles 
> >  !
> >  LOL!, there is no shortage of folks making up numbers as needed.
> > 
> >  Logically speaking, look at the trending lease price, in the range of 
> >  $1
> >  to $2 /ip /month... which would give a very good clue on purchase 
> >  price.
> > 
> >  For a $300 to $500 per IP valuation, the ongoing lease rate would need 
> >  to
> >  be in the $10/$20 /month range. Which I have a hard time visualizing...
> > 
> >  Retail rental/lease from Upstream IP transit providers is still running
> >  somewhere between Free to less than $3-$5/ip/month. Depending on the 
> >  ARPU of
> >  the BW purchase.
> > 
> >  my 2.5 cents worth.
> > 
> >  Faisal Imtiaz
> >  Snappy Internet & Telecom
> >  7266 SW 48 Street
> >  Miami, FL 33155
> >  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> > 
> >  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> > 
> >  - Original Message -
> >  > From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> >  > To: af@afmug.com
> >  > 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/9/16 11:34, Josh Luthman wrote:

If you can work with a smaller subnet buy a smaller one?

If you do need a /21 what other option do you have besides buying a /21?




ARIN's waiting list of broken dreams.

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Tim Reichhart]

Josh
the retail pricing for static IP for TWC is not 20 dollars because 13 statics 
is about 50 dollars per month which it comes down to about 4 dollars per IP and 
signal IP is about 10-15 dollars. Frontier 5 statics is about 20 dollars on 
business DSL.

-Original Message- 
> From: "Josh Reynolds"  
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Date: 08/09/16 02:29 PM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale? 
> 
> Your comment was that the "bulk of broadband providers" are in the "$3
> - $5" range.
> 
> I countered that with up to date (as up to date as I could find)
> pricing with over 90% of the US broadband market, with some of that
> pricing having been consistent since 2011.
> 
> *shrug*
> 
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  
> wrote:
> > and also look at the pricing on a /29 ...
> > IPv4 pricing is not linear, cause how they assign it.
> >
> > I am not sure what were talking about anymore..
> >
> > The original discussion was in regards to Wholesale / Bulk Ip lease and not 
> > Retail give me an IP for one end user  cost price.
> >
> > Retail price has a few more things built into it... especially cost 
> > processing (labor) management and tracking..
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > Miami, FL 33155
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:19:22 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> >
> >> Comcast (may be old pricing): $15 / mo
> >> Comcast business: $20 / mo
> >> AT: $15 - $40 / mo
> >> Verizon Wireless: $500 "one time setup fee" (ZOINKS!, that is the
> >> wireless division though...)
> >> Verizon FIOS: $20 / mo (depends on bundling options, it's actually
> >> more expensive on the higher plans!, see here:
> >> https://www.verizon.com/smallbusiness/products/business-FiOS-Internet/packages/
> >> )
> >> CenturyTel: has had $20 / mo pricing since 2011 and possibly before:
> >> https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25926181-CenturyTel-20-per-month-fee-for-single-static-IP-address-seem
> >> CenturyLink (Qwest network): $10 / mo with $75 setup fee
> >> Time Warner: $20 / mo
> >> Google Fiber: $20 for 1 /mo, $30 for 5 / mo
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  
> >> wrote:
> >>> Yes, but that is direct retail side, and that is most likely reflective of
> >>> internal policy.. (running server on a static IP)... thus getting a 
> >>> premium
> >>> for that type of use.
> >>>
> >>> Bulk of the broadband providers are still in the $3 to $5 / ip range.
> >>>
> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
> >>> Miami, FL 33155
> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >>>
> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> >>> To: af@afmug.com
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:17:45 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> >>>
> >>> The residential ISPs have been preparing for this by charging up to $30/Mo
> >>> :( see Google.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 9, 2016 8:54 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
> 
>  yeah, projections from the same folks who create  stock market bubbles !
>  LOL!, there is no shortage of folks making up numbers as needed.
> 
>  Logically speaking, look at the trending lease price, in the range of $1
>  to $2 /ip /month... which would give a very good clue on purchase price.
> 
>  For a $300 to $500 per IP valuation, the ongoing lease rate would need to
>  be in the $10/$20 /month range. Which I have a hard time visualizing...
> 
>  Retail rental/lease from Upstream IP transit providers is still running
>  somewhere between Free to less than $3-$5/ip/month. Depending on the 
>  ARPU of
>  the BW purchase.
> 
>  my 2.5 cents worth.
> 
>  Faisal Imtiaz
>  Snappy Internet & Telecom
>  7266 SW 48 Street
>  Miami, FL 33155
>  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
>  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
>  - Original Message -
>  > From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>  > To: af@afmug.com
>  > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:55:42 AM
>  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> 
>  > Reasonable projections (IMO) I have seen are $30 to $40 per IP. I have
>  > seen some projections talking $100-$200 per IP. This is a one time fee
>  > though, not including RIR transfer and annual fee (much smaller than
>  > the cost of the block, based on total allocations to you).
>  >
>  > On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
>  >  wrote:
>  

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Josh Luthman]

If you can work with a smaller subnet buy a smaller one?

If you do need a /21 what other option do you have besides buying a /21?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI) <
t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:

> I really need a /21 right now.  It's becoming a nightmare.  Don't really
> want to break them up into small subnets but I also don't want to offload
> that kind of cash either.
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
>  *Internet Communications Inc.*
>  *739 Commerce Dr.*
>  *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
> *Online: **www.surfici.net*
>
>
>
> Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!
>
> On Aug 9, 2016, at 2:22 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:
>
>
> Wow, our /22 from ARIN is $500 / year ;)
> I hope we don't outgrow that soon - but we will
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Andreas Wiatowski 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 5:48 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>
> I just paid a little over 10k for a /22.  Transfer process from start to
> finish took about 2 weeks.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
> Silo Wireless Inc.
> 519-449-5656 x-600
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2016-08-08, 9:14 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> >When we purchased, per IP on a /20 was at $8. Per IP on a /24 was
> >around $9 or $9.50. It's currently at $13 per IP on a /24. This was
> >roughly 4 months ago.
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
> >> As in a /16 ?  he’ll be waiting a long time in my opinion …. (could be
> >>dead
> >> wrong there)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I monitor prices every so often to “check in” and see what the market is
> >> doing … seen prices drop in the past few months, not sure why – guessing
> >> that it’s because the market is slowing down and/or there are more
> >>blocks
> >> coming available
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On
> Behalf Of Robert
> >> Sent: August 8, 2016 7:39 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A friend of mine has an unused Class B...   But he's going to wait for
> >> $300-500 pricing...  LOL...
> >>
> >> On 8/8/16 3:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> >>
> >> besides ip auctions.com Anyone knows of of ip address sources for
> >>buying?
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI)]

I really need a /21 right now.  It's becoming a nightmare.  Don't really want 
to break them up into small subnets but I also don't want to offload that kind 
of cash either.

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net
 
Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!

> On Aug 9, 2016, at 2:22 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Wow, our /22 from ARIN is $500 / year ;)
> I hope we don't outgrow that soon - but we will
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Andreas Wiatowski
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 5:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> 
> I just paid a little over 10k for a /22.  Transfer process from start to 
> finish took about 2 weeks.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
> Silo Wireless Inc.
> 519-449-5656 x-600
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2016-08-08, 9:14 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> 
> >When we purchased, per IP on a /20 was at $8. Per IP on a /24 was
> >around $9 or $9.50. It's currently at $13 per IP on a /24. This was
> >roughly 4 months ago.
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
> >> As in a /16 ?  he’ll be waiting a long time in my opinion …. (could be 
> >>dead
> >> wrong there)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I monitor prices every so often to “check in” and see what the market is
> >> doing … seen prices drop in the past few months, not sure why – guessing
> >> that it’s because the market is slowing down and/or there are more 
> >>blocks
> >> coming available
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> >> Sent: August 8, 2016 7:39 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A friend of mine has an unused Class B...   But he's going to wait for
> >> $300-500 pricing...  LOL...
> >>
> >> On 8/8/16 3:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> >>
> >> besides ip auctions.com Anyone knows of of ip address sources for 
> >>buying?
> >>
> >>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Josh Reynolds]

Right, but now you have a one time transfer fee, and then the acquisition fee.

Yearly it's still based on the total allocation size you own, which
doesn't cost very much.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:22 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
 wrote:
>
> Wow, our /22 from ARIN is $500 / year ;)
> I hope we don't outgrow that soon - but we will
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Andreas Wiatowski
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 5:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>
> I just paid a little over 10k for a /22.  Transfer process from start to
> finish took about 2 weeks.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
> Silo Wireless Inc.
> 519-449-5656 x-600
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2016-08-08, 9:14 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>>When we purchased, per IP on a /20 was at $8. Per IP on a /24 was
>>around $9 or $9.50. It's currently at $13 per IP on a /24. This was
>>roughly 4 months ago.
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>>> As in a /16 ?  he’ll be waiting a long time in my opinion …. (could be
>>>dead
>>> wrong there)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I monitor prices every so often to “check in” and see what the market is
>>> doing … seen prices drop in the past few months, not sure why – guessing
>>> that it’s because the market is slowing down and/or there are more
>>>blocks
>>> coming available
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
>>> Sent: August 8, 2016 7:39 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A friend of mine has an unused Class B...   But he's going to wait for
>>> $300-500 pricing...  LOL...
>>>
>>> On 8/8/16 3:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>>
>>> besides ip auctions.com Anyone knows of of ip address sources for
>>>buying?
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Wow, our /22 from ARIN is $500 / year ;)
I hope we don't outgrow that soon - but we will

  - Original Message - 
  From: Andreas Wiatowski 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 5:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?


  I just paid a little over 10k for a /22.  Transfer process from start to 
  finish took about 2 weeks.

  Cheers,

  Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
  Silo Wireless Inc.
  519-449-5656 x-600








  On 2016-08-08, 9:14 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

  >When we purchased, per IP on a /20 was at $8. Per IP on a /24 was
  >around $9 or $9.50. It's currently at $13 per IP on a /24. This was
  >roughly 4 months ago.
  >
  >
  >
  >On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
  >> As in a /16 ?  he’ll be waiting a long time in my opinion …. (could be 
  >>dead
  >> wrong there)
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> I monitor prices every so often to “check in” and see what the market is
  >> doing … seen prices drop in the past few months, not sure why – guessing
  >> that it’s because the market is slowing down and/or there are more 
  >>blocks
  >> coming available
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
  >> Sent: August 8, 2016 7:39 PM
  >> To: af@afmug.com
  >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> A friend of mine has an unused Class B...   But he's going to wait for
  >> $300-500 pricing...  LOL...
  >>
  >> On 8/8/16 3:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
  >>
  >> besides ip auctions.com Anyone knows of of ip address sources for 
  >>buying?
  >>
  >>

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

[Jaime Solorza]

Lol

On Aug 9, 2016 12:14 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> I've never willing listened to rap...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> And Josh,  I did redact my statement correctly.   I paraphrased Tower of
>> Power's classic , You're Still A Young Man.   Stop listening to rap!  Zaz
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2016 12:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bingo system... Getting more info.
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2016 11:58 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love such request, they sound so genuine, and yet they provide a good
>>> indication of the 'IT expertise ' level of the requester.
>>>
>>> btw if the request is to take a POTS line from one side of the network
>>> to a totally different side of the network...
>>> This is doable with a couple IAD (linksys supura boxes) need the ones
>>> with FXS & FXO support.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:36:28 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Interesting request
>>>
>>> An IT guy at casino wants to take a 6 wire RJ-11 analog signal and send
>>> it over their network Trying to get more info.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

[Josh Luthman]

I've never willing listened to rap...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> And Josh,  I did redact my statement correctly.   I paraphrased Tower of
> Power's classic , You're Still A Young Man.   Stop listening to rap!  Zaz
>
> On Aug 9, 2016 12:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Bingo system... Getting more info.
>
> On Aug 9, 2016 11:58 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
>> I love such request, they sound so genuine, and yet they provide a good
>> indication of the 'IT expertise ' level of the requester.
>>
>> btw if the request is to take a POTS line from one side of the network to
>> a totally different side of the network...
>> This is doable with a couple IAD (linksys supura boxes) need the ones
>> with FXS & FXO support.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:36:28 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Interesting request
>>
>> An IT guy at casino wants to take a 6 wire RJ-11 analog signal and send
>> it over their network Trying to get more info.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

[Jaime Solorza]

And Josh,  I did redact my statement correctly.   I paraphrased Tower of
Power's classic , You're Still A Young Man.   Stop listening to rap!  Zaz

On Aug 9, 2016 12:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Bingo system... Getting more info.

On Aug 9, 2016 11:58 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> I love such request, they sound so genuine, and yet they provide a good
> indication of the 'IT expertise ' level of the requester.
>
> btw if the request is to take a POTS line from one side of the network to
> a totally different side of the network...
> This is doable with a couple IAD (linksys supura boxes) need the ones with
> FXS & FXO support.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:36:28 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Interesting request
>
> An IT guy at casino wants to take a 6 wire RJ-11 analog signal and send it
> over their network Trying to get more info.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

[Chuck McCown]

70 volt audio perhaps.  
CAT5 should do just fine on that I think but might want to be shielded.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 12:03 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

Bingo system... Getting more info. 


On Aug 9, 2016 11:58 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

  I love such request, they sound so genuine, and yet they provide a good 
indication of the 'IT expertise ' level of the requester.

  btw if the request is to take a POTS line from one side of the network to a 
totally different side of the network... 
  This is doable with a couple IAD (linksys supura boxes) need the ones with 
FXS & FXO support.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:36:28 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Interesting request

An IT guy at casino wants to take a 6 wire RJ-11 analog signal and send it 
over their network Trying to get more info.  

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Oh man, thats dangerous territory, you start messing with some grannys
bingo, youll get cut in the parking lot

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Bingo system... Getting more info.
>
> On Aug 9, 2016 11:58 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
>> I love such request, they sound so genuine, and yet they provide a good
>> indication of the 'IT expertise ' level of the requester.
>>
>> btw if the request is to take a POTS line from one side of the network to
>> a totally different side of the network...
>> This is doable with a couple IAD (linksys supura boxes) need the ones
>> with FXS & FXO support.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:36:28 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Interesting request
>>
>> An IT guy at casino wants to take a 6 wire RJ-11 analog signal and send
>> it over their network Trying to get more info.
>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

[Jaime Solorza]

Bingo system... Getting more info.

On Aug 9, 2016 11:58 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> I love such request, they sound so genuine, and yet they provide a good
> indication of the 'IT expertise ' level of the requester.
>
> btw if the request is to take a POTS line from one side of the network to
> a totally different side of the network...
> This is doable with a couple IAD (linksys supura boxes) need the ones with
> FXS & FXO support.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:36:28 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Interesting request
>
> An IT guy at casino wants to take a 6 wire RJ-11 analog signal and send it
> over their network Trying to get more info.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

[Chuck McCown]

RS485, 422 and 423.
How about a "hoot and holler line"  (I will be surprised if more than 2 
of you remember those).


-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

If it isn't some known protocol like POTS or RS232, he's probably out of
luck.  RJ11 is just a connector spec, and there's nothing that will digitize
or packetize an arbitrary analog signal, much less a 6 wire arbitrary
signal.


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 12:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

I gotta give you credit, I don't have the patience for some of these
requests you get.

"Props, Pops"

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

An IT guy at casino wants to take a 6 wire RJ-11 analog signal and send it
over their network Trying to get more info.

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

[Chuck McCown]

Or just leave it on the CAT5 if the wiring is continuous and within a few 
thousand feet.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

I love such request, they sound so genuine, and yet they provide a good 
indication of the 'IT expertise ' level of the requester.

btw if the request is to take a POTS line from one side of the network to a 
totally different side of the network... 
This is doable with a couple IAD (linksys supura boxes) need the ones with FXS 
& FXO support.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Jaime Solorza" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:36:28 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Interesting request

  An IT guy at casino wants to take a 6 wire RJ-11 analog signal and send it 
over their network Trying to get more info.  

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

[Ken Hohhof]

If it isn't some known protocol like POTS or RS232, he's probably out of 
luck.  RJ11 is just a connector spec, and there's nothing that will digitize 
or packetize an arbitrary analog signal, much less a 6 wire arbitrary 
signal.



-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 12:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

I gotta give you credit, I don't have the patience for some of these
requests you get.

"Props, Pops"

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

An IT guy at casino wants to take a 6 wire RJ-11 analog signal and send it
over their network Trying to get more info. 

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I love such request, they sound so genuine, and yet they provide a good 
indication of the 'IT expertise ' level of the requester. 

btw if the request is to take a POTS line from one side of the network to a 
totally different side of the network... 
This is doable with a couple IAD (linksys supura boxes) need the ones with FXS 
& FXO support. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:36:28 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Interesting request

> An IT guy at casino wants to take a 6 wire RJ-11 analog signal and send it 
> over
> their network Trying to get more info.

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

[Faisal Imtiaz]

There is reason why I suggested you go the short way. 

The long way, is the technical attribute that can offer you a fix, but I cringe 
t think of how it may affect your network. 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:22:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

> can you detail the long way
> in this instance, I just want it to be if it is traffic generated by the 
> router
> destined for tcp port 25 present as 1.2.3.4 but dont impact anything else, 
> what
> I dont want to risk is OSPF breaking or dropping an EOIP tunnel because that
> traffic is presenting differently

> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> wrote:

>> There is a long way to solve this problem and there is a short way to solve 
>> this
>> problem.

>> short way first:-

>> Mikrotik supports user authentication on out bound mail, so all you need to 
>> do
>> is create a valid email user account on our mail server and use those
>> credentials in your MT router Email settings so that you don't need an 'open
>> mail relay'.

>> Long way:-

>> There is a setting call set-pref-src= in the routing filters, which 
>> accomplishes
>> what you are asking for, however you will have to figure out on how exactly 
>> to
>> tailor it to work for your environment. (I had to find this setting for one 
>> of
>> our Peering Routers, a bit of a long story).

>> :)

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:51:03 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

>>> right or wrong, i want to set up an open mail relay on our network for 
>>> mikrotik
>>> backups. I want to lock the relay down to only accept traffic from our 
>>> internal
>>> subnet for loopback IPs on the site routers. How do I make specific traffic
>>> always present as the same IP no matter which interface it exits since i 
>>> cant
>>> seem to find a way to masquerade the output chain
>>> if it is doable, is there also a way to add a line to our default configs 
>>> that
>>> will set the presentation IP to whatever the loopback IP on that device is?

>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>>> part
>>> of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part
> of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

[Josh Reynolds]

As opposed to a young man baby!

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> As opposed to a young, man baby?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> Commas are important :)
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>  wrote:
>> > Hey... I am still a young man, baby
>> >
>> >
>> > On Aug 9, 2016 11:37 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I gotta give you credit, I don't have the patience for some of these
>> >> requests you get.
>> >>
>> >> "Props, Pops"
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Jaime Solorza
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > An IT guy at casino wants to take a 6 wire RJ-11 analog signal and
>> >> > send
>> >> > it
>> >> > over their network Trying to get more info.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

[Josh Luthman]

As opposed to a young, man baby?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Commas are important :)
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Jaime Solorza
>  wrote:
> > Hey... I am still a young man, baby
> >
> >
> > On Aug 9, 2016 11:37 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> >>
> >> I gotta give you credit, I don't have the patience for some of these
> >> requests you get.
> >>
> >> "Props, Pops"
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Jaime Solorza
> >>  wrote:
> >> > An IT guy at casino wants to take a 6 wire RJ-11 analog signal and
> send
> >> > it
> >> > over their network Trying to get more info.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

[Josh Reynolds]

Commas are important :)

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:
> Hey... I am still a young man, baby
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2016 11:37 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> I gotta give you credit, I don't have the patience for some of these
>> requests you get.
>>
>> "Props, Pops"
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>  wrote:
>> > An IT guy at casino wants to take a 6 wire RJ-11 analog signal and send
>> > it
>> > over their network Trying to get more info.

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

[Jaime Solorza]

Hey... I am still a young man, baby

On Aug 9, 2016 11:37 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> I gotta give you credit, I don't have the patience for some of these
> requests you get.
>
> "Props, Pops"
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Jaime Solorza
>  wrote:
> > An IT guy at casino wants to take a 6 wire RJ-11 analog signal and send
> it
> > over their network Trying to get more info.
>

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

[Mike Hammett]

It is still beta. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:29:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address 


i started watching the brothers wisp video on that the other day but got side 
tracked, its still beta isnt it? 


On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




You could just use Unimus and not worry about sending e-mail from your Mikrotik 
routers. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:51:03 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address 


right or wrong, i want to set up an open mail relay on our network for mikrotik 
backups. I want to lock the relay down to only accept traffic from our internal 
subnet for loopback IPs on the site routers. How do I make specific traffic 
always present as the same IP no matter which interface it exits since i cant 
seem to find a way to masquerade the output chain 


if it is doable, is there also a way to add a line to our default configs that 
will set the presentation IP to whatever the loopback IP on that device is? 


-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 






-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

[Chuck McCown]

That could be almost anything.  I would think if it was analog it would be 2 or 
4 wires.  But old fashioned 4W E took 6 wires but normally those circuits 
remain in the central office.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 11:36 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Interesting request

An IT guy at casino wants to take a 6 wire RJ-11 analog signal and send it over 
their network Trying to get more info.   

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting request

[Josh Reynolds]

I gotta give you credit, I don't have the patience for some of these
requests you get.

"Props, Pops"

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:
> An IT guy at casino wants to take a 6 wire RJ-11 analog signal and send it
> over their network Trying to get more info.

[AFMUG] Interesting request

[Jaime Solorza]

An IT guy at casino wants to take a 6 wire RJ-11 analog signal and send it
over their network Trying to get more info.

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i started watching the brothers wisp video on that the other day but got
side tracked, its still beta isnt it?

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> You could just use Unimus and not worry about sending e-mail from your
> Mikrotik routers.
>
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> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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> Midwest Internet Exchange 
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> The Brothers WISP 
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> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:51:03 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address
>
> right or wrong, i want to set up an open mail relay on our network for
> mikrotik backups. I want to lock the relay down to only accept traffic from
> our internal subnet for loopback IPs on the site routers. How do I make
> specific traffic always present as the same IP no matter which interface it
> exits since i cant seem to find a way to masquerade the output chain
>
> if it is doable, is there also a way to add a line to our default configs
> that will set the presentation IP to whatever the loopback IP on that
> device is?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

[Mike Hammett]

You could just use Unimus and not worry about sending e-mail from your Mikrotik 
routers. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:51:03 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address 


right or wrong, i want to set up an open mail relay on our network for mikrotik 
backups. I want to lock the relay down to only accept traffic from our internal 
subnet for loopback IPs on the site routers. How do I make specific traffic 
always present as the same IP no matter which interface it exits since i cant 
seem to find a way to masquerade the output chain 


if it is doable, is there also a way to add a line to our default configs that 
will set the presentation IP to whatever the loopback IP on that device is? 


-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

can you detail the long way
in this instance, I just want it to be if it is traffic generated by the
router destined for tcp port 25 present as 1.2.3.4 but dont impact anything
else, what I dont want to risk is OSPF breaking or dropping an EOIP tunnel
because that traffic is presenting differently

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> There is a long way to solve this problem and there is a short way to
> solve this problem.
>
> short way first:-
>
> Mikrotik supports user authentication on out bound mail, so all you need
> to do is create a valid email user account on our mail server  and use
> those credentials in your MT router Email settings so that you don't need
> an 'open mail relay'.
>
> Long way:-
>
> There is a setting call set-pref-src=  in the routing filters, which
> accomplishes what you are asking for, however you will have to figure out
> on how exactly to tailor it to work for your environment. (I had to find
> this setting for one of our Peering Routers, a bit of a long story).
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:51:03 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address
>
> right or wrong, i want to set up an open mail relay on our network for
> mikrotik backups. I want to lock the relay down to only accept traffic from
> our internal subnet for loopback IPs on the site routers. How do I make
> specific traffic always present as the same IP no matter which interface it
> exits since i cant seem to find a way to masquerade the output chain
> if it is doable, is there also a way to add a line to our default configs
> that will set the presentation IP to whatever the loopback IP on that
> device is?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

[Faisal Imtiaz]

There is a long way to solve this problem and there is a short way to solve 
this problem. 

short way first:- 

Mikrotik supports user authentication on out bound mail, so all you need to do 
is create a valid email user account on our mail server and use those 
credentials in your MT router Email settings so that you don't need an 'open 
mail relay'. 

Long way:- 

There is a setting call set-pref-src= in the routing filters, which 
accomplishes what you are asking for, however you will have to figure out on 
how exactly to tailor it to work for your environment. (I had to find this 
setting for one of our Peering Routers, a bit of a long story). 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:51:03 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

> right or wrong, i want to set up an open mail relay on our network for 
> mikrotik
> backups. I want to lock the relay down to only accept traffic from our 
> internal
> subnet for loopback IPs on the site routers. How do I make specific traffic
> always present as the same IP no matter which interface it exits since i cant
> seem to find a way to masquerade the output chain
> if it is doable, is there also a way to add a line to our default configs that
> will set the presentation IP to whatever the loopback IP on that device is?

> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part
> of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I have other things I would like to do aside from just the email if I can
control the presenting IP on mikrotiks, but this is todays need.

All the routers loopback/router IDs are /32s from a global /24 and if we
have 250 some infrastructure routers at some point in time, We would have a
"guy for that"

even with authentication I prefer to firewall off mailservers completely, I
dont know enough to always ensure every patch is applied for exposed mail
servers for every new vulnerability, thats why I start with deny all on an
external firewall and then only allow specific devices to even touch them.
My incompetence in securing mailservers is only matched by my willingness
to do things in a tedious fashion to circumvent my incompetence.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:05 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> I have an internal anycast address that's shared by three machines that
> provides SMTP, DNS and syslog to infrastructure devices. SMTP auth. Works.
> No dicking. The MT will do a route lookup and use the exit interface's
> source address. Doesn't matter because of SMTP auth. It's easier than
> setting up a bunch of rules because shit changes all the time.
>
> On 8/9/2016 11:51 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> right or wrong, i want to set up an open mail relay on our network for
> mikrotik backups. I want to lock the relay down to only accept traffic from
> our internal subnet for loopback IPs on the site routers. How do I make
> specific traffic always present as the same IP no matter which interface it
> exits since i cant seem to find a way to masquerade the output chain
>
> if it is doable, is there also a way to add a line to our default configs
> that will set the presentation IP to whatever the loopback IP on that
> device is?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

[George Skorup]

I have an internal anycast address that's shared by three machines that 
provides SMTP, DNS and syslog to infrastructure devices. SMTP auth. 
Works. No dicking. The MT will do a route lookup and use the exit 
interface's source address. Doesn't matter because of SMTP auth. It's 
easier than setting up a bunch of rules because shit changes all the time.


On 8/9/2016 11:51 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
right or wrong, i want to set up an open mail relay on our network for 
mikrotik backups. I want to lock the relay down to only accept traffic 
from our internal subnet for loopback IPs on the site routers. How do 
I make specific traffic always present as the same IP no matter which 
interface it exits since i cant seem to find a way to masquerade the 
output chain


if it is doable, is there also a way to add a line to our default 
configs that will set the presentation IP to whatever the loopback IP 
on that device is?


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

thats what I want to do, have the mail server relay for them. I have a
subnet on our network set aside to relay email for our domain. For ease of
management theyre open relays with firewall policies dropping any traffic
to them not from authorized hosts, same as setting the subnets but managed
externally.

But I need to make sure the emails coming from the mikrotiks come from
authorized IPs, otherwise of an OSPF path changes the presenting IP will be
whatever that interface is.



On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Wouldn't it be easier to just deliver mail to the server?
>
> You could set the mail server to relay from those subnets, that might be
> easier.
>
> I don't think the output chain is relevant at all to what you want as the
> Mikrotik isn't relaying the messages.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> right or wrong, i want to set up an open mail relay on our network for
>> mikrotik backups. I want to lock the relay down to only accept traffic from
>> our internal subnet for loopback IPs on the site routers. How do I make
>> specific traffic always present as the same IP no matter which interface it
>> exits since i cant seem to find a way to masquerade the output chain
>>
>> if it is doable, is there also a way to add a line to our default configs
>> that will set the presentation IP to whatever the loopback IP on that
>> device is?
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

[Mike Hammett]

I don't think you understand what's going on here. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:53:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address 


Wouldn't it be easier to just deliver mail to the server? 

You could set the mail server to relay from those subnets, that might be 
easier. 


I don't think the output chain is relevant at all to what you want as the 
Mikrotik isn't relaying the messages. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



right or wrong, i want to set up an open mail relay on our network for mikrotik 
backups. I want to lock the relay down to only accept traffic from our internal 
subnet for loopback IPs on the site routers. How do I make specific traffic 
always present as the same IP no matter which interface it exits since i cant 
seem to find a way to masquerade the output chain 


if it is doable, is there also a way to add a line to our default configs that 
will set the presentation IP to whatever the loopback IP on that device is? 


-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/9/16 09:45, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I notice that my AT UVerse connection at home goes for months with the
same public IP even though I'm not paying for a static IP, in fact I
don't think it has ever changed.  But it COULD change unless I pay for a
static IP.



I don't think it's guaranteed to remain a public IP either, it could 
become CGN one day. A while back AT stopped allowing uverse from using 
10/8 on the LAN side, which would be a prudent thing to do if you needed 
to use that on the WAN side.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Mike Hammett]

I think we're talking grown up providers, not residential retail. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:46:06 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale? 

Your comment was that the "bulk of broadband providers" are in the "$3 
- $5" range. 

I countered that with up to date (as up to date as I could find) 
pricing with over 90% of the US broadband market, with some of that 
pricing having been consistent since 2011. 

*shrug* 

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote: 
> and also look at the pricing on a /29 ... 
> IPv4 pricing is not linear, cause how they assign it. 
> 
> I am not sure what were talking about anymore.. 
> 
> The original discussion was in regards to Wholesale / Bulk Ip lease and not 
> Retail give me an IP for one end user cost price. 
> 
> Retail price has a few more things built into it... especially cost 
> processing (labor) management and tracking.. 
> 
> Regards. 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz 
> Snappy Internet & Telecom 
> 7266 SW 48 Street 
> Miami, FL 33155 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
> 
> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Josh Reynolds"  
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:19:22 PM 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale? 
> 
>> Comcast (may be old pricing): $15 / mo 
>> Comcast business: $20 / mo 
>> AT: $15 - $40 / mo 
>> Verizon Wireless: $500 "one time setup fee" (ZOINKS!, that is the 
>> wireless division though...) 
>> Verizon FIOS: $20 / mo (depends on bundling options, it's actually 
>> more expensive on the higher plans!, see here: 
>> https://www.verizon.com/smallbusiness/products/business-FiOS-Internet/packages/
>>  
>> ) 
>> CenturyTel: has had $20 / mo pricing since 2011 and possibly before: 
>> https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25926181-CenturyTel-20-per-month-fee-for-single-static-IP-address-seem
>>  
>> CenturyLink (Qwest network): $10 / mo with $75 setup fee 
>> Time Warner: $20 / mo 
>> Google Fiber: $20 for 1 /mo, $30 for 5 / mo 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  
>> wrote: 
>>> Yes, but that is direct retail side, and that is most likely reflective of 
>>> internal policy.. (running server on a static IP)... thus getting a premium 
>>> for that type of use. 
>>> 
>>> Bulk of the broadband providers are still in the $3 to $5 / ip range. 
>>> 
>>> Faisal Imtiaz 
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom 
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street 
>>> Miami, FL 33155 
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
>>> 
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: "Josh Reynolds"  
>>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:17:45 AM 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale? 
>>> 
>>> The residential ISPs have been preparing for this by charging up to $30/Mo 
>>> :( see Google. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2016 8:54 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote: 
 
 yeah, projections from the same folks who create stock market bubbles ! 
 LOL!, there is no shortage of folks making up numbers as needed. 
 
 Logically speaking, look at the trending lease price, in the range of $1 
 to $2 /ip /month... which would give a very good clue on purchase price. 
 
 For a $300 to $500 per IP valuation, the ongoing lease rate would need to 
 be in the $10/$20 /month range. Which I have a hard time visualizing... 
 
 Retail rental/lease from Upstream IP transit providers is still running 
 somewhere between Free to less than $3-$5/ip/month. Depending on the ARPU 
 of 
 the BW purchase. 
 
 my 2.5 cents worth. 
 
 Faisal Imtiaz 
 Snappy Internet & Telecom 
 7266 SW 48 Street 
 Miami, FL 33155 
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
 
 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
 
 - Original Message - 
 > From: "Josh Reynolds"  
 > To: af@afmug.com 
 > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:55:42 AM 
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale? 
 
 > Reasonable projections (IMO) I have seen are $30 to $40 per IP. I have 
 > seen some projections talking $100-$200 per IP. This is a one time fee 
 > though, not including RIR transfer and annual fee (much smaller than 
 > the cost of the block, based on total allocations to you). 
 > 
 > On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 >  wrote: 
 >> $13 per IP on a /24  wow. 
 >> 
 >> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>> He created a toaster?? LOL 
 >>> 
 >>> 

[AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

right or wrong, i want to set up an open mail relay on our network for
mikrotik backups. I want to lock the relay down to only accept traffic from
our internal subnet for loopback IPs on the site routers. How do I make
specific traffic always present as the same IP no matter which interface it
exits since i cant seem to find a way to masquerade the output chain

if it is doable, is there also a way to add a line to our default configs
that will set the presentation IP to whatever the loopback IP on that
device is?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik present as loopback address

[Josh Luthman]

Wouldn't it be easier to just deliver mail to the server?

You could set the mail server to relay from those subnets, that might be
easier.

I don't think the output chain is relevant at all to what you want as the
Mikrotik isn't relaying the messages.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> right or wrong, i want to set up an open mail relay on our network for
> mikrotik backups. I want to lock the relay down to only accept traffic from
> our internal subnet for loopback IPs on the site routers. How do I make
> specific traffic always present as the same IP no matter which interface it
> exits since i cant seem to find a way to masquerade the output chain
>
> if it is doable, is there also a way to add a line to our default configs
> that will set the presentation IP to whatever the loopback IP on that
> device is?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>