Re: [AFMUG] Advantage FSK Keys

[Paul McCall]

I have some keys left I think Nate if you need them.  We bought them in 25 
packs and have some left to sell I believe

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Advantage FSK Keys

Dang, I have a single customer off an FSK AP who want's 10mb sustained, and I 
don't want to have to go physically change out the SM.

On 6/14/2017 7:11 AM, Daniel White wrote:
> Has to be P9 or better hardware.
>
> I'm not even sure if distribution can sell you that key any longer.
>
> Daniel White
> Managing Director of Sales
> ConVergence Technologies
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 6:39 PM
>> To: Animal Farm 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Advantage FSK Keys
>>
>> Can you upgrade a 5200 radio to a 5250 with a software key?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Conduit Supplier

[Mike Hammett]

 the list stripped my VCF attachments. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:34:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Conduit Supplier 


Millennium 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jason McKemie"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 5:08:59 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Conduit Supplier 

Anyone have a recommendation for a HDPE conduit supplier in the Illinois​ area? 
Freight is an issue. 

Re: [AFMUG] Conduit Supplier

[Mike Hammett]

Millennium 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jason McKemie"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 5:08:59 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Conduit Supplier 

Anyone have a recommendation for a HDPE conduit supplier in the Illinois​ area? 
Freight is an issue. 

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

hmm, one does.  one does not

  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 8:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.




  That is not the case for our other five Mimosa radios


  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone


  - Reply message -
  From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
  To: 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
  Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 7:44 PM


>. Netonix still shows cable errors though a
> standard cable tester shows 


if you are testing the cable with the radio plugged in, then this is normal..

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 6:58:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

> At the moment it's two Mimosa radios at one tower and one radio at
> another that have the issue. We replaced our Shireen Cat 5 with Shireen
> Cat 6 and Shireen connectors and the link negotiation problem seems to
> have gotten better but the Netonix still shows cable errors though a
> standard cable tester shows continuity and correct pin out. I may
> contact Netonix and see if they can give me a clue as to what problem
> their unit is detecting.
> 
> Bill Prince wrote:
>> Have you just plugged into a laptop or anything besides the Netonix?
>> We've had at least one situation with a bad port on a Netonix switch
>> that had symptoms similar to this.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 6/15/2017 3:44 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>> We tried it on one radio of the four in question.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 hmm.. sounds like you have some other issue going on ...

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 - Original Message -
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 6:03:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
> We tried the Mimosa brick and it didn't help but that was prior to
> trying Mimosa's suggestion of moving to Cat6 . We've tried locking
> it to
> 100 meg full duplex and it held a connection but I am not sure if we
> tried 1 gig half.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> Here is what I would suggest.
>>
>> 1) Use the Mimosa Brick, for testing, and see if that fixes your
>> issue
>>  if it does then consider, using a different port or 48VH
>> power etc to see if the
>>  issue is on then netonix side.
>>
>>  if you still have the same issue with Mimosa Brick then you
>> know the problem is
>>  else ware.
>>
>> BWT.. if you lock both sides (Radio & Netonix) to 100meg full
>> duplex  or even 1G
>> half duplex do they hold the connection ?
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 5:06:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
>>> Oh, and no surge protector at the moment.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 have not seen that issue ...

 Are you using 48VH port ? or just 48V ?
 and is there a surge protector in the middle ?

 Regards

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
 supp...@snappytelecom.net

 - Original Message -
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:44:38 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
> Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using Mimosa
> radios
> with Netonix for power?  We've got a problem with gigabit link
> negotiation issues where link will alternate between a gig and
> no link.
> We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing the issue.
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>>

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

That is not the case for our other five Mimosa radios

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 7:44 PM

>. Netonix still shows cable errors though a
> standard cable tester shows 


if you are testing the cable with the radio plugged in, then this is normal..

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 6:58:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

> At the moment it's two Mimosa radios at one tower and one radio at
> another that have the issue. We replaced our Shireen Cat 5 with Shireen
> Cat 6 and Shireen connectors and the link negotiation problem seems to
> have gotten better but the Netonix still shows cable errors though a
> standard cable tester shows continuity and correct pin out. I may
> contact Netonix and see if they can give me a clue as to what problem
> their unit is detecting.
> 
> Bill Prince wrote:
>> Have you just plugged into a laptop or anything besides the Netonix?
>> We've had at least one situation with a bad port on a Netonix switch
>> that had symptoms similar to this.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 6/15/2017 3:44 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>> We tried it on one radio of the four in question.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 hmm.. sounds like you have some other issue going on ...

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 - Original Message -
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 6:03:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
> We tried the Mimosa brick and it didn't help but that was prior to
> trying Mimosa's suggestion of moving to Cat6 . We've tried locking
> it to
> 100 meg full duplex and it held a connection but I am not sure if we
> tried 1 gig half.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> Here is what I would suggest.
>>
>> 1) Use the Mimosa Brick, for testing, and see if that fixes your
>> issue
>>  if it does then consider, using a different port or 48VH
>> power etc to see if the
>>  issue is on then netonix side.
>>
>>  if you still have the same issue with Mimosa Brick then you
>> know the problem is
>>  else ware.
>>
>> BWT.. if you lock both sides (Radio & Netonix) to 100meg full
>> duplex  or even 1G
>> half duplex do they hold the connection ?
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 5:06:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
>>> Oh, and no surge protector at the moment.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 have not seen that issue ...

 Are you using 48VH port ? or just 48V ?
 and is there a surge protector in the middle ?

 Regards

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
 supp...@snappytelecom.net

 - Original Message -
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:44:38 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
> Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using Mimosa
> radios
> with Netonix for power?  We've got a problem with gigabit link
> negotiation issues where link will alternate between a gig and
> no link.
> We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing the issue.
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>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Jon Langeler]

I agree. I went through Cambium support about it and they treated me like 
'hmmm, that should work fine'. But it doesn't 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jun 15, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> I've tried it a couple times and it never really works quite right (even with 
> 1 AP and 1 PTP link) 
> 
> Personally I'd try another band but it sounds like a possible NLOS for both 
> PTP and PMP in the original post.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:23 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>> Well, that's probably not too terrible if you're only dealing with one AP 
>> and one PTP link... unless the distance of the PTP link is too shorter than 
>> some of the PMP links.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>> 
>>> There is no way to set "max miles" on the PTP system.  So hopefully you can 
>>> set the AP to the mileage of the PTP link.  Otherwise your only left with 
>>> downlink % and control slots to make the timing match.
>>> 
>>> It can be done but it's hard and you make a lot of concessions (mostly on 
>>> the PMP system) to get them to sync.
>>> 
>>> Also durring boot up of the PTP when it's ranging timing will go screwy for 
>>> a cpl min.
>>> 
>>> -Sean
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
 On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM Josh Luthman 
  wrote:
>> 
 You just put them on the same timing system and then do 75/25 split for 
 everything.  Wouldn't be that crazy.
 
 IMO sync for ptp is kind of dumb, though - I'd prefer flexible ratios and 
 lower latency.
 
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
 
> Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same band.  
> It can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both systems 
> and if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.
> 
> 2 cents
 
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup 
>>  wrote:
 
>> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on 
>> the board. Timing port only.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>> Nope, that's all you need.
>>> 
>>> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if 
>>> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything 
>>> else.
>>> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the 
>>> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so 
>>> just about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use 
>>> something from PacketFlux, personally.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
>>>  wrote:
 For a PTP link?
 
 Jeff Broadwick
 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
 312-205-2519 Office
 574-220-7826 Cell
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
 
 On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray 
  wrote:
 
> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 
> 2x radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
> 
> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a 
> separate device?
> 
> Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux shunts

[Chuck McCown]

Assuming they were EXACTLY the same resistance.  Otherwise there will be an 
uneven division of currents.


I prefer to use #10 wire.  1 foot is .001 ohms.  Make your own shunt. 
Assuming 20 mV full scale is enough.
20 gauge (which is hard to find) is close to .01 ohms per foot.  However 
that exceeds the ampacity.


I would be OK with one foot of 14 gauge for a 20 amp shunt. .0025 ohms per 
foot.  that would give you 50 mV full scale.
Of course this assumes you have the room for and don't mind the look of a 
coiled up foot of wire.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux shunts

This may be a bozo approach, but if you took two 10 amp shunts and
connected them in parallel, you would get a 20 amp shunt out of the deal.


bp


On 6/15/2017 3:47 PM, George Skorup wrote:

Forrest,

Would you be willing to make a 20A shunt? Would the traces on your current 
design handle it?


Reason I'm asking is... I'm stupid. I had a 10A shunt on the batt negative 
side of a Traco BCMU360. Didn't occur to me that 230 watts @ ~12VDC can 
get up to 20A. So the shunt went kaput after about 25 minutes and the site 
went down. Not a problem at most other sites with less load. This one 
happens to be the most heavily loaded with two Trango ApexPlus, various 
APs and PTPs plus the DC-DC inefficiencies.

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[Faisal Imtiaz]

>. Netonix still shows cable errors though a
> standard cable tester shows 


if you are testing the cable with the radio plugged in, then this is normal..

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 6:58:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

> At the moment it's two Mimosa radios at one tower and one radio at
> another that have the issue. We replaced our Shireen Cat 5 with Shireen
> Cat 6 and Shireen connectors and the link negotiation problem seems to
> have gotten better but the Netonix still shows cable errors though a
> standard cable tester shows continuity and correct pin out. I may
> contact Netonix and see if they can give me a clue as to what problem
> their unit is detecting.
> 
> Bill Prince wrote:
>> Have you just plugged into a laptop or anything besides the Netonix?
>> We've had at least one situation with a bad port on a Netonix switch
>> that had symptoms similar to this.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 6/15/2017 3:44 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>> We tried it on one radio of the four in question.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 hmm.. sounds like you have some other issue going on ...

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 - Original Message -
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 6:03:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
> We tried the Mimosa brick and it didn't help but that was prior to
> trying Mimosa's suggestion of moving to Cat6 . We've tried locking
> it to
> 100 meg full duplex and it held a connection but I am not sure if we
> tried 1 gig half.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> Here is what I would suggest.
>>
>> 1) Use the Mimosa Brick, for testing, and see if that fixes your
>> issue
>>  if it does then consider, using a different port or 48VH
>> power etc to see if the
>>  issue is on then netonix side.
>>
>>  if you still have the same issue with Mimosa Brick then you
>> know the problem is
>>  else ware.
>>
>> BWT.. if you lock both sides (Radio & Netonix) to 100meg full
>> duplex  or even 1G
>> half duplex do they hold the connection ?
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 5:06:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
>>> Oh, and no surge protector at the moment.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 have not seen that issue ...

 Are you using 48VH port ? or just 48V ?
 and is there a surge protector in the middle ?

 Regards

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
 supp...@snappytelecom.net

 - Original Message -
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:44:38 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
> Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using Mimosa
> radios
> with Netonix for power?  We've got a problem with gigabit link
> negotiation issues where link will alternate between a gig and
> no link.
> We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing the issue.
 ---
 This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
 http://www.avg.com
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[Jay Weekley]

One is 127 feet another is 167 feet and the third is 206 feet.

Sean Heskett wrote:

how long is the cat6 cable run?

-sean


On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:


Too my knowledge there is no wireless other than us at either
location.

Sean Heskett wrote:

Does this tower have an FM radio station located on it??

-sean



On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 4:58 PM Jay Weekley

>> wrote:

At the moment it's two Mimosa radios at one tower and one
radio at
another that have the issue. We replaced our Shireen Cat 5
with
Shireen
Cat 6 and Shireen connectors and the link negotiation
problem seems to
have gotten better but the Netonix still shows cable
errors though a
standard cable tester shows continuity and correct pin
out. I may
contact Netonix and see if they can give me a clue as to
what problem
their unit is detecting.

Bill Prince wrote:
> Have you just plugged into a laptop or anything besides
the Netonix?
> We've had at least one situation with a bad port on a
Netonix switch
> that had symptoms similar to this.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 6/15/2017 3:44 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> We tried it on one radio of the four in question.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>> hmm.. sounds like you have some other issue going on ...
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 
Option 2 or Email:
supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
 From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>>
 To: af@afmug.com 
>
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 6:03:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
 We tried the Mimosa brick and it didn't help but that was
prior to
 trying Mimosa's suggestion of moving to Cat6 . We've
tried
locking
 it to
 100 meg full duplex and it held a connection but I am not
sure if we
 tried 1 gig half.

 Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> Here is what I would suggest.
>
> 1) Use the Mimosa Brick, for testing, and see if
that fixes your
> issue
>  if it does then consider, using a different
port or 48VH
> power etc to see if the
>  issue is on then netonix side.
>
>  if you still have the same issue with Mimosa
Brick then you
> know the problem is
>  else ware.
>
> BWT.. if you lock both sides (Radio & Netonix) to
100meg full
> duplex  or even 1G
> half duplex do they hold the connection ?
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 
Option 2 or Email:
supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 5:06:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
>> Oh, and no surge protector at the moment.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>> have not seen that issue ...
>>>
 

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[Sean Heskett]

how long is the cat6 cable run?

-sean


On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Too my knowledge there is no wireless other than us at either location.
>
> Sean Heskett wrote:
>
>> Does this tower have an FM radio station located on it??
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 4:58 PM Jay Weekley > > wrote:
>>
>> At the moment it's two Mimosa radios at one tower and one radio at
>> another that have the issue. We replaced our Shireen Cat 5 with
>> Shireen
>> Cat 6 and Shireen connectors and the link negotiation problem seems to
>> have gotten better but the Netonix still shows cable errors though a
>> standard cable tester shows continuity and correct pin out. I may
>> contact Netonix and see if they can give me a clue as to what problem
>> their unit is detecting.
>>
>> Bill Prince wrote:
>> > Have you just plugged into a laptop or anything besides the Netonix?
>> > We've had at least one situation with a bad port on a Netonix switch
>> > that had symptoms similar to this.
>> >
>> > bp
>> > 
>> >
>> > On 6/15/2017 3:44 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> >> We tried it on one radio of the four in question.
>> >>
>> >> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> >>> hmm.. sounds like you have some other issue going on ...
>> >>>
>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> >>> Miami, FL 33155
>> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> >>>
>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> >>>
>> >>> - Original Message -
>>  From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" > >
>>  To: af@afmug.com 
>>  Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 6:03:05 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
>>  We tried the Mimosa brick and it didn't help but that was
>> prior to
>>  trying Mimosa's suggestion of moving to Cat6 . We've tried
>> locking
>>  it to
>>  100 meg full duplex and it held a connection but I am not
>> sure if we
>>  tried 1 gig half.
>> 
>>  Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> > Here is what I would suggest.
>> >
>> > 1) Use the Mimosa Brick, for testing, and see if that fixes your
>> > issue
>> >  if it does then consider, using a different port or 48VH
>> > power etc to see if the
>> >  issue is on then netonix side.
>> >
>> >  if you still have the same issue with Mimosa Brick then you
>> > know the problem is
>> >  else ware.
>> >
>> > BWT.. if you lock both sides (Radio & Netonix) to 100meg full
>> > duplex  or even 1G
>> > half duplex do they hold the connection ?
>> >
>> > Regards.
>> >
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> > 7266 SW 48 Street
>> > Miami, FL 33155
>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> >
>> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> >> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" > >
>> >> To: af@afmug.com 
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 5:06:16 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
>> >> Oh, and no surge protector at the moment.
>> >>
>> >> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> >>> have not seen that issue ...
>> >>>
>> >>> Are you using 48VH port ? or just 48V ?
>> >>> and is there a surge protector in the middle ?
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards
>> >>>
>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> >>> Miami, FL 33155
>> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> >>>
>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
>> >>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> >>>
>> >>> - Original Message -
>>  From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" > >
>>  To: af@afmug.com 
>>  Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:44:38 PM
>>  Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
>>  Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using
>> Mimosa
>>  radios
>>  with Netonix for power? We've got a problem with gigabit link
>>  negotiation issues where link will alternate between a
>> gig and
>>  no link.
>>  We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing 

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[Jay Weekley]

Too my knowledge there is no wireless other than us at either location.

Sean Heskett wrote:

Does this tower have an FM radio station located on it??

-sean



On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 4:58 PM Jay Weekley > wrote:


At the moment it's two Mimosa radios at one tower and one radio at
another that have the issue. We replaced our Shireen Cat 5 with
Shireen
Cat 6 and Shireen connectors and the link negotiation problem seems to
have gotten better but the Netonix still shows cable errors though a
standard cable tester shows continuity and correct pin out. I may
contact Netonix and see if they can give me a clue as to what problem
their unit is detecting.

Bill Prince wrote:
> Have you just plugged into a laptop or anything besides the Netonix?
> We've had at least one situation with a bad port on a Netonix switch
> that had symptoms similar to this.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 6/15/2017 3:44 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> We tried it on one radio of the four in question.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>> hmm.. sounds like you have some other issue going on ...
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
 From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" >
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 6:03:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
 We tried the Mimosa brick and it didn't help but that was
prior to
 trying Mimosa's suggestion of moving to Cat6 . We've tried
locking
 it to
 100 meg full duplex and it held a connection but I am not
sure if we
 tried 1 gig half.

 Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> Here is what I would suggest.
>
> 1) Use the Mimosa Brick, for testing, and see if that fixes your
> issue
>  if it does then consider, using a different port or 48VH
> power etc to see if the
>  issue is on then netonix side.
>
>  if you still have the same issue with Mimosa Brick then you
> know the problem is
>  else ware.
>
> BWT.. if you lock both sides (Radio & Netonix) to 100meg full
> duplex  or even 1G
> half duplex do they hold the connection ?
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" >
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 5:06:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
>> Oh, and no surge protector at the moment.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>> have not seen that issue ...
>>>
>>> Are you using 48VH port ? or just 48V ?
>>> and is there a surge protector in the middle ?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
 From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" >
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:44:38 PM
 Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
 Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using
Mimosa
 radios
 with Netonix for power? We've got a problem with gigabit link
 negotiation issues where link will alternate between a
gig and
 no link.
 We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing the issue.
>>> ---
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>> http://www.avg.com
>>
>
>


 
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Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[Sean Heskett]

Does this tower have an FM radio station located on it??

-sean



On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 4:58 PM Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> At the moment it's two Mimosa radios at one tower and one radio at
> another that have the issue. We replaced our Shireen Cat 5 with Shireen
> Cat 6 and Shireen connectors and the link negotiation problem seems to
> have gotten better but the Netonix still shows cable errors though a
> standard cable tester shows continuity and correct pin out. I may
> contact Netonix and see if they can give me a clue as to what problem
> their unit is detecting.
>
> Bill Prince wrote:
> > Have you just plugged into a laptop or anything besides the Netonix?
> > We've had at least one situation with a bad port on a Netonix switch
> > that had symptoms similar to this.
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 6/15/2017 3:44 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> >> We tried it on one radio of the four in question.
> >>
> >> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> >>> hmm.. sounds like you have some other issue going on ...
> >>>
> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
> >>> Miami, FL 33155
> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >>>
> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message -
>  From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 6:03:05 PM
>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
>  We tried the Mimosa brick and it didn't help but that was prior to
>  trying Mimosa's suggestion of moving to Cat6 . We've tried locking
>  it to
>  100 meg full duplex and it held a connection but I am not sure if we
>  tried 1 gig half.
> 
>  Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> > Here is what I would suggest.
> >
> > 1) Use the Mimosa Brick, for testing, and see if that fixes your
> > issue
> >  if it does then consider, using a different port or 48VH
> > power etc to see if the
> >  issue is on then netonix side.
> >
> >  if you still have the same issue with Mimosa Brick then you
> > know the problem is
> >  else ware.
> >
> > BWT.. if you lock both sides (Radio & Netonix) to 100meg full
> > duplex  or even 1G
> > half duplex do they hold the connection ?
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > Miami, FL 33155
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 5:06:16 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
> >> Oh, and no surge protector at the moment.
> >>
> >> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> >>> have not seen that issue ...
> >>>
> >>> Are you using 48VH port ? or just 48V ?
> >>> and is there a surge protector in the middle ?
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
> >>> Miami, FL 33155
> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >>>
> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
> >>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message -
>  From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:44:38 PM
>  Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
>  Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using Mimosa
>  radios
>  with Netonix for power?  We've got a problem with gigabit link
>  negotiation issues where link will alternate between a gig and
>  no link.
>  We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing the issue.
> >>> ---
> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> >>> http://www.avg.com
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[Jay Weekley]

At the moment it's two Mimosa radios at one tower and one radio at 
another that have the issue. We replaced our Shireen Cat 5 with Shireen 
Cat 6 and Shireen connectors and the link negotiation problem seems to 
have gotten better but the Netonix still shows cable errors though a 
standard cable tester shows continuity and correct pin out. I may 
contact Netonix and see if they can give me a clue as to what problem 
their unit is detecting.


Bill Prince wrote:
Have you just plugged into a laptop or anything besides the Netonix? 
We've had at least one situation with a bad port on a Netonix switch 
that had symptoms similar to this.


bp


On 6/15/2017 3:44 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

We tried it on one radio of the four in question.

Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

hmm.. sounds like you have some other issue going on ...

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 6:03:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
We tried the Mimosa brick and it didn't help but that was prior to
trying Mimosa's suggestion of moving to Cat6 . We've tried locking 
it to

100 meg full duplex and it held a connection but I am not sure if we
tried 1 gig half.

Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Here is what I would suggest.

1) Use the Mimosa Brick, for testing, and see if that fixes your 
issue
 if it does then consider, using a different port or 48VH 
power etc to see if the

 issue is on then netonix side.

 if you still have the same issue with Mimosa Brick then you 
know the problem is

 else ware.

BWT.. if you lock both sides (Radio & Netonix) to 100meg full 
duplex  or even 1G

half duplex do they hold the connection ?

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 5:06:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
Oh, and no surge protector at the moment.

Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

have not seen that issue ...

Are you using 48VH port ? or just 48V ?
and is there a surge protector in the middle ?

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:44:38 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using Mimosa 
radios

with Netonix for power?  We've got a problem with gigabit link
negotiation issues where link will alternate between a gig and 
no link.

We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing the issue.

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Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux shunts

[Bill Prince]

This may be a bozo approach, but if you took two 10 amp shunts and 
connected them in parallel, you would get a 20 amp shunt out of the deal.



bp


On 6/15/2017 3:47 PM, George Skorup wrote:

Forrest,

Would you be willing to make a 20A shunt? Would the traces on your 
current design handle it?


Reason I'm asking is... I'm stupid. I had a 10A shunt on the batt 
negative side of a Traco BCMU360. Didn't occur to me that 230 watts @ 
~12VDC can get up to 20A. So the shunt went kaput after about 25 
minutes and the site went down. Not a problem at most other sites with 
less load. This one happens to be the most heavily loaded with two 
Trango ApexPlus, various APs and PTPs plus the DC-DC inefficiencies.

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[Bill Prince]

Have you just plugged into a laptop or anything besides the Netonix? 
We've had at least one situation with a bad port on a Netonix switch 
that had symptoms similar to this.


bp


On 6/15/2017 3:44 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

We tried it on one radio of the four in question.

Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

hmm.. sounds like you have some other issue going on ...

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 6:03:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
We tried the Mimosa brick and it didn't help but that was prior to
trying Mimosa's suggestion of moving to Cat6 . We've tried locking 
it to

100 meg full duplex and it held a connection but I am not sure if we
tried 1 gig half.

Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Here is what I would suggest.

1) Use the Mimosa Brick, for testing, and see if that fixes your issue
 if it does then consider, using a different port or 48VH power 
etc to see if the

 issue is on then netonix side.

 if you still have the same issue with Mimosa Brick then you 
know the problem is

 else ware.

BWT.. if you lock both sides (Radio & Netonix) to 100meg full 
duplex  or even 1G

half duplex do they hold the connection ?

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 5:06:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
Oh, and no surge protector at the moment.

Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

have not seen that issue ...

Are you using 48VH port ? or just 48V ?
and is there a surge protector in the middle ?

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:44:38 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using Mimosa 
radios

with Netonix for power?  We've got a problem with gigabit link
negotiation issues where link will alternate between a gig and 
no link.

We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing the issue.

---
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[AFMUG] PacketFlux shunts

[George Skorup]

Forrest,

Would you be willing to make a 20A shunt? Would the traces on your 
current design handle it?


Reason I'm asking is... I'm stupid. I had a 10A shunt on the batt 
negative side of a Traco BCMU360. Didn't occur to me that 230 watts @ 
~12VDC can get up to 20A. So the shunt went kaput after about 25 minutes 
and the site went down. Not a problem at most other sites with less 
load. This one happens to be the most heavily loaded with two Trango 
ApexPlus, various APs and PTPs plus the DC-DC inefficiencies.

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[Jay Weekley]

We tried it on one radio of the four in question.

Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

hmm.. sounds like you have some other issue going on ...

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 6:03:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
We tried the Mimosa brick and it didn't help but that was prior to
trying Mimosa's suggestion of moving to Cat6 . We've tried locking it to
100 meg full duplex and it held a connection but I am not sure if we
tried 1 gig half.

Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Here is what I would suggest.

1) Use the Mimosa Brick, for testing, and see if that fixes your issue
 if it does then consider, using a different port or 48VH power etc to see 
if the
 issue is on then netonix side.

 if you still have the same issue with Mimosa Brick then you know the 
problem is
 else ware.

BWT.. if you lock both sides (Radio & Netonix) to 100meg full duplex  or even 1G
half duplex do they hold the connection ?

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 5:06:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
Oh, and no surge protector at the moment.

Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

have not seen that issue ...

Are you using 48VH port ? or just 48V ?
and is there a surge protector in the middle ?

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:44:38 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using Mimosa radios
with Netonix for power?  We've got a problem with gigabit link
negotiation issues where link will alternate between a gig and no link.
We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing the issue.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

[Josh Reynolds]

I'm sorry to hear that :(

- Josh

On Jun 15, 2017 9:28 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> Yeah, found out last week at ultrasound, in ER since like 3 this morning
> cause it went south, its a rough deal for her. Sorry, no good analogy today
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 4:28 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Are you saying what I think you're saying here?
>>
>> If so,  that really sucks.
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2017 6:23 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> kernel panic
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 apparently, God had other plans

 On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Bruce Robertson 
 wrote:

> If he has any income (especially earned) at all, then yes on the tax
> evasion.
>
>
> On 5/13/17 9:43 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>
>> Don't you wonder?   Is it?
>>
>> On 05/13/2017 07:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> And he lives with continual exposure of prison due to tax evasion.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:05 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>>>
>>> Screwed by whose definition?  If he put all that money that he would
>>> have paid as taxes under his bed/cabin/lean-to, he may be way...
>>> Way..
>>> WAY better off...
>>>
>>> On 05/12/2017 01:51 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
>>>
 I believe that he is.

 On 5/12/17 1:44 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

> That's right.  I remember that now because we had to go to a little
> extra effort to ensure my wife had 20 quarters, but then we learned
> she gets half my benefit if it is larger.  So it really was not an
> emergency after all.
>
> But for the undocumented guy in the woods, if he doesn't have 20
> quarters of contributions I wonder if he is screwed?
>
> -Original Message- From: Bruce Robertson
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:41 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>
> No, you don't.  You have to contribute for at least 20 (if I
> remember)
> quarters to get benefits.  And many public employees, such as my
> wife
> (University professor) don't pay into social security at all -
> they have
> an alternative plan that has the same contribution requirements,
> but the
> money goes into your own mutual funds.
>
> On 5/12/17 1:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> When it comes time to collect social security, they take your
>> highest
>> 35 years of pay to do the calculation.  If you never put anything
>> in,
>> I wonder if you get any out?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:53 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>>
>> I've heard tell of a local man working in the construction trades
>> who
>> was born at home and has no documentation.  Apparently he likes
>> it that
>> way.  He works for cash and lives in a cabin on his parents'
>> land.  I'm
>> not saying it's the right way, but it's apparently an option.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 5/12/2017 12:29:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>>
>> Social Security didn't have any linkage with the county health
>>> department. We had to send the birth certificate to them to get
>>> the
>>> SSN number. Sometimes that was years later.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Robert
>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:28 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>>>
>>> I thought the ssn was assigned even if the card isn't sent...
>>>
>>> On 5/12/17 9:16 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
 Yep, separate process.  At least back in the day when my kids
 were
 born.

 *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
 *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 10:13 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

 can you get a birth certificate without having to get the SSN
 registered?

 On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:

 72,73,74

 On 

Re: [AFMUG] Conduit Supplier

[Lewis Bergman]

I need one for Texas. I can find who I used to use. It head the word
underground I think but can't find them now.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017, 5:09 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Anyone have a recommendation for a HDPE conduit supplier in the Illinois​
> area? Freight is an issue.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

[Lewis Bergman]

My most sincere condolences. I didn't put that together. It isn't easy for
anyone but it is especially hard on women. It rightfully affects them on a
deeper level. What is your address? Off list if you are worried about
dissolve firebombing your house.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017, 9:32 AM Jerry Head  wrote:

> So sorry to hear that, best wishes from The Deep South.
>
>
>
> On 6/15/2017 9:28 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Yeah, found out last week at ultrasound, in ER since like 3 this morning
> cause it went south, its a rough deal for her. Sorry, no good analogy today
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 4:28 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Are you saying what I think you're saying here?
>>
>> If so,  that really sucks.
>>
> On Jun 12, 2017 6:23 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
> kernel panic
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> apparently, God had other plans

>>> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Bruce Robertson 
 wrote:

>>> If he has any income (especially earned) at all, then yes on the tax
> evasion.
>
>
> On 5/13/17 9:43 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>
>> Don't you wonder?   Is it?
>>
>> On 05/13/2017 07:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> And he lives with continual exposure of prison due to tax evasion.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:05 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>>>
>>> Screwed by whose definition?  If he put all that money that he would
>>> have paid as taxes under his bed/cabin/lean-to, he may be way...
>>> Way..
>>> WAY better off...
>>>
>>> On 05/12/2017 01:51 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
>>>
 I believe that he is.

 On 5/12/17 1:44 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

> That's right.  I remember that now because we had to go to a little
> extra effort to ensure my wife had 20 quarters, but then we learned
> she gets half my benefit if it is larger.  So it really was not an
> emergency after all.
>
> But for the undocumented guy in the woods, if he doesn't have 20
> quarters of contributions I wonder if he is screwed?
>
> -Original Message- From: Bruce Robertson
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:41 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>
> No, you don't.  You have to contribute for at least 20 (if I
> remember)
> quarters to get benefits.  And many public employees, such as my
> wife
> (University professor) don't pay into social security at all -
> they have
> an alternative plan that has the same contribution requirements,
> but the
> money goes into your own mutual funds.
>
> On 5/12/17 1:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> When it comes time to collect social security, they take your
>> highest
>> 35 years of pay to do the calculation.  If you never put anything
>> in,
>> I wonder if you get any out?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:53 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>>
>> I've heard tell of a local man working in the construction trades
>> who
>> was born at home and has no documentation.  Apparently he likes
>> it that
>> way.  He works for cash and lives in a cabin on his parents'
>> land.  I'm
>> not saying it's the right way, but it's apparently an option.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 5/12/2017 12:29:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>>
>> Social Security didn't have any linkage with the county health
>>> department. We had to send the birth certificate to them to get
>>> the
>>> SSN number. Sometimes that was years later.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Robert
>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:28 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>>>
>>> I thought the ssn was assigned even if the card isn't sent...
>>>
>>> On 5/12/17 9:16 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
 Yep, separate process.  At least back in the day when my kids
 were
 born.

 *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
 *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 10:13 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall 

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Mathew Howard]

That sounds like a pretty good use for a 900mhz PTP link. You never quite
know what 900mhz is going to do until you try it, but I'd expect it to work
better than what you have now for that kind of a link.

I'd just put up the PTP link without sync on it and see how it works. If it
screws up the other AP, you can always add a GPS later and try getting sync
to work.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Christopher Gray <
cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

> The particular link I'm looking to replace is relatively short (0.46
> miles) through tons of trees. It is running right now with ePMP 2.4 GHz
> radios with a Force 200 on one end and a 24 dBi Rocket Dish on the other.
> Channel size is 5 MHz and signal floats around -80 dBm. I am entertaining
> the 900 MHz as a possible quick fix... but I've only got 6 customers there.
>
> I can't increase the size of the Force 200 end of the link with the
> current configuration.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> I've tried it a couple times and it never really works quite right (even
>> with 1 AP and 1 PTP link)
>>
>> Personally I'd try another band but it sounds like a possible NLOS for
>> both PTP and PMP in the original post.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:23 PM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, that's probably not too terrible if you're only dealing with one
>>> AP and one PTP link... unless the distance of the PTP link is too shorter
>>> than some of the PMP links.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 There is no way to set "max miles" on the PTP system.  So hopefully you
 can set the AP to the mileage of the PTP link.  Otherwise your only left
 with downlink % and control slots to make the timing match.

 It can be done but it's hard and you make a lot of concessions (mostly
 on the PMP system) to get them to sync.

 Also durring boot up of the PTP when it's ranging timing will go screwy
 for a cpl min.

 -Sean


 On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

>>> You just put them on the same timing system and then do 75/25 split for
> everything.  Wouldn't be that crazy.
>
> IMO sync for ptp is kind of dumb, though - I'd prefer flexible ratios
> and lower latency.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same
>> band.  It can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both
>> systems and if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup <
>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>
> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not
>>> on the board. Timing port only.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>
>>> Nope, that's all you need.
>>>
>>> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it
>>> if you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything
>>> else.
>>> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
>>> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so 
>>> just
>>> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
>>> from PacketFlux, personally.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
>>> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
 For a PTP link?

 Jeff Broadwick
 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

 On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
 cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

 To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than
 2x radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?

 Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
 separate device?

 Thank you - Chris


>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[Faisal Imtiaz]

hmm.. sounds like you have some other issue going on ... 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 6:03:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

> We tried the Mimosa brick and it didn't help but that was prior to
> trying Mimosa's suggestion of moving to Cat6 . We've tried locking it to
> 100 meg full duplex and it held a connection but I am not sure if we
> tried 1 gig half.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> Here is what I would suggest.
>>
>> 1) Use the Mimosa Brick, for testing, and see if that fixes your issue
>> if it does then consider, using a different port or 48VH power etc to 
>> see if the
>> issue is on then netonix side.
>>
>> if you still have the same issue with Mimosa Brick then you know the 
>> problem is
>> else ware.
>>
>> BWT.. if you lock both sides (Radio & Netonix) to 100meg full duplex  or 
>> even 1G
>> half duplex do they hold the connection ?
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 5:06:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
>>> Oh, and no surge protector at the moment.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 have not seen that issue ...

 Are you using 48VH port ? or just 48V ?
 and is there a surge protector in the middle ?

 Regards

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 - Original Message -
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:44:38 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
> Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using Mimosa radios
> with Netonix for power?  We've got a problem with gigabit link
> negotiation issues where link will alternate between a gig and no link.
> We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing the issue.
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[AFMUG] Conduit Supplier

[Jason McKemie]

Anyone have a recommendation for a HDPE conduit supplier in the Illinois​
area? Freight is an issue.

Re: [AFMUG] stock of mccown tech gigess-hv surge protectors?

[Eric Kuhnke]

Found them... 5th vendor I tried.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> I need to buy eight units today, my usual source is failing me...  Anyone
> know who might have them in stock?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[Jay Weekley]

We tried the Mimosa brick and it didn't help but that was prior to 
trying Mimosa's suggestion of moving to Cat6 . We've tried locking it to 
100 meg full duplex and it held a connection but I am not sure if we 
tried 1 gig half.


Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Here is what I would suggest.

1) Use the Mimosa Brick, for testing, and see if that fixes your issue
if it does then consider, using a different port or 48VH power etc to see 
if the issue is on then netonix side.

if you still have the same issue with Mimosa Brick then you know the 
problem is else ware.

BWT.. if you lock both sides (Radio & Netonix) to 100meg full duplex  or even 
1G half duplex do they hold the connection ?

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 5:06:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
Oh, and no surge protector at the moment.

Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

have not seen that issue ...

Are you using 48VH port ? or just 48V ?
and is there a surge protector in the middle ?

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:44:38 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using Mimosa radios
with Netonix for power?  We've got a problem with gigabit link
negotiation issues where link will alternate between a gig and no link.
We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing the issue.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Vulnerability Published

[Darren Shea]

Odd. The post says we should be running 3.4-RC7 or later, but 3.4 Final was
released a few days ago, and the release notes don't seem to mention this
vulnerability.

 

I may be missing something, but the concern seems to be about the fact that
the platform responds to SMNP get and set commands, and the default
community strings are shockingly insecure. I'm not sure if there's much more
to it than that.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Vulnerability Published

 

This just hit my mailbox.  

https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/advisories/ICSA-17-166-01

Apologies if this has already been posted 

 

TT




  Cambium Networks
ePMP | ICS-CERT

ics-cert.us-cert.gov

CVSS v3 7.6ATTENTION: Remotely exploitable/low skill level to
exploit.Vendor: Cambium NetworksEquipment: ePMPVulnerabilities: Improper
Access Control, Improper Privilege ManagementAFFECTED PRODUCTSCambium
reports that the vulnerabilities affect the following ePMP Network Access
Control products:

 

 

[AFMUG] stock of mccown tech gigess-hv surge protectors?

[Eric Kuhnke]

I need to buy eight units today, my usual source is failing me...  Anyone
know who might have them in stock?

[AFMUG] Cambium Vulnerability Published

[Tyler Treat]

This just hit my mailbox.

https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/advisories/ICSA-17-166-01

Apologies if this has already been posted


TT


Cambium Networks ePMP | 
ICS-CERT
ics-cert.us-cert.gov
CVSS v3 7.6ATTENTION: Remotely exploitable/low skill level to exploit.Vendor: 
Cambium NetworksEquipment: ePMPVulnerabilities: Improper Access Control, 
Improper Privilege ManagementAFFECTED PRODUCTSCambium reports that the 
vulnerabilities affect the following ePMP Network Access Control products:

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Here is what I would suggest.

1) Use the Mimosa Brick, for testing, and see if that fixes your issue
   if it does then consider, using a different port or 48VH power etc to see if 
the issue is on then netonix side.

   if you still have the same issue with Mimosa Brick then you know the problem 
is else ware.

BWT.. if you lock both sides (Radio & Netonix) to 100meg full duplex  or even 
1G half duplex do they hold the connection ? 

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 5:06:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

> Oh, and no surge protector at the moment.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> have not seen that issue ...
>>
>> Are you using 48VH port ? or just 48V ?
>> and is there a surge protector in the middle ?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:44:38 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
>>> Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using Mimosa radios
>>> with Netonix for power?  We've got a problem with gigabit link
>>> negotiation issues where link will alternate between a gig and no link.
>>> We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing the issue.
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Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[Jay Weekley]

Oh, and no surge protector at the moment.

Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

have not seen that issue ...

Are you using 48VH port ? or just 48V ?
and is there a surge protector in the middle ?

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:44:38 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.
Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using Mimosa radios
with Netonix for power?  We've got a problem with gigabit link
negotiation issues where link will alternate between a gig and no link.
We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing the issue.

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Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[Edilberto Gotay]

We have allways using 48VH (port 1-4) and have no issues at all, also as Faisal 
mention check surge protector (if you using)




Edilberto Gotay


RF Manager
Tel.787.273.4143 Ext. 209
Cel.787.403.7539
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Jun 15, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:

48V (0.75A) is how it's listed on the port tab.



Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

have not seen that issue ...

Are you using 48VH port ? or just 48V ?
and is there a surge protector in the middle ?

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -


From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 

To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:44:38 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.


Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using Mimosa radios
with Netonix for power?  We've got a problem with gigabit link
negotiation issues where link will alternate between a gig and no link.
We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing the issue.


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Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[Jay Weekley]

  
  
48V (0.75A) is how it's listed on the port tab. 



Faisal Imtiaz wrote:


  have not seen that issue ...

Are you using 48VH port ? or just 48V ? 
and is there a surge protector in the middle ? 

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

  
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:44:38 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

  
  

  
Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using Mimosa radios
with Netonix for power?  We've got a problem with gigabit link
negotiation issues where link will alternate between a gig and no link.
We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing the issue.

  
  
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Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[Jay Weekley]

Also, the Netonix cable diagnostics will show the cable as being good on 
one test and then detect an abnormal termination on pair 7 and 8 then 
5,6,7 and 8 and then good again.


Jay Weekley wrote:
Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using Mimosa radios 
with Netonix for power?  We've got a problem with gigabit link 
negotiation issues where link will alternate between a gig and no 
link.  We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing the issue.


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Re: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[Faisal Imtiaz]

have not seen that issue ...

Are you using 48VH port ? or just 48V ? 
and is there a surge protector in the middle ? 

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:44:38 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

> Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using Mimosa radios
> with Netonix for power?  We've got a problem with gigabit link
> negotiation issues where link will alternate between a gig and no link.
> We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing the issue.

[AFMUG] Netonix/Mimosa compatibility.

[Jay Weekley]

Has anyone experience a compatibility problem when using Mimosa radios 
with Netonix for power?  We've got a problem with gigabit link 
negotiation issues where link will alternate between a gig and no link.  
We've upgraded to Cat 6 and are still seeing the issue.

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Christopher Gray]

The particular link I'm looking to replace is relatively short (0.46 miles)
through tons of trees. It is running right now with ePMP 2.4 GHz radios
with a Force 200 on one end and a 24 dBi Rocket Dish on the other. Channel
size is 5 MHz and signal floats around -80 dBm. I am entertaining the 900
MHz as a possible quick fix... but I've only got 6 customers there.

I can't increase the size of the Force 200 end of the link with the current
configuration.


On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I've tried it a couple times and it never really works quite right (even
> with 1 AP and 1 PTP link)
>
> Personally I'd try another band but it sounds like a possible NLOS for
> both PTP and PMP in the original post.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:23 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, that's probably not too terrible if you're only dealing with one AP
>> and one PTP link... unless the distance of the PTP link is too shorter than
>> some of the PMP links.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> There is no way to set "max miles" on the PTP system.  So hopefully you
>>> can set the AP to the mileage of the PTP link.  Otherwise your only left
>>> with downlink % and control slots to make the timing match.
>>>
>>> It can be done but it's hard and you make a lot of concessions (mostly
>>> on the PMP system) to get them to sync.
>>>
>>> Also durring boot up of the PTP when it's ranging timing will go screwy
>>> for a cpl min.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>> You just put them on the same timing system and then do 75/25 split for
 everything.  Wouldn't be that crazy.

 IMO sync for ptp is kind of dumb, though - I'd prefer flexible ratios
 and lower latency.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same
> band.  It can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both
> systems and if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.
>
> 2 cents
>
 On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup <
> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
 The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not
>> on the board. Timing port only.
>>
>>
>> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> Nope, that's all you need.
>>
>> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
>> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything 
>> else.
>> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
>> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so 
>> just
>> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
>> from PacketFlux, personally.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
>> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> For a PTP link?
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
>>> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
>>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than
>>> 2x radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
>>>
>>> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
>>> separate device?
>>>
>>> Thank you - Chris
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Paul McCall]

We scoured the vans and found a Parasitic to use, so its less of an emergency

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 12:34 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

The rj45 has the equivalent of a timing port on pins 123 and 6.  I don't have 
access to the full pinout but I'll see if I can pull it up when I get to more 
Internet

On Jun 15, 2017 11:27 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
How would a SBJ Basic work?   It only has a RJ45 connector….   With no timing 
ports, it can’t feed anything.  Thought it was just a Sync Pipe basic 
replacement ?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 12:12 PM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

A basic would work, along with about anything other than an aux or timing port 
version

On Jun 15, 2017 11:01 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
We had moved away from SyncPipes for the most part, bought the SPJ Basics 
instead of pipes the past few times we needed that.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

What else you got laying around? Deluxe pipe? Rev F/G/H will work fine with 
12-56VDC.
On 6/15/2017 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
That’s what it appears.  Am wondering if Forrest has a different voltage range 
for input since he built it himself

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

I'm about 63.48% sure that UGPS power is like 5-7VDC which is on one of the 
serial lines, IIRC.
On 6/15/2017 10:15 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
S… can I power it off an S16 somehow, with the right cable?  (24v?)

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

OK found a short .pdf manual.   Looks like the 100 series may not support this.
The timing port model needs ugps power.

On Jun 15, 2017 9:46 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
> wrote:
Hmm. ...   odd.  I know it's in the 450, but I thought it was in the older 
radios too.

I'm traveling, so can't look it up,  but what does the uGPS manual say about 
FSK radios?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:42 AM, "George Skorup" 
> wrote:
I don't have a single P10 or P11 FSK AP that has UGPS power control on the 
config page. Perhaps it's just always on?
On 6/15/2017 9:35 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
AFAIK All semi-modern fsk radios provide uGPS power.  Just connect the radio 
and box  together and turn on uGPS power in the radio.  Use whatever cable 
cambium recommends for a uGPS  probably just a 6p6c straight through cable, 
although it might make sense to skip the factory reset pin.



On Jun 15, 2017 9:19 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
H….. let me try again.

I have a single FSK AP that is getting powered/ethernet successfully connected 
to a UBNT S16.  I need to get sync to that radio.  I want to power the SB 
Junior Timing Port Version by making a cable that I can connect to the S16 that 
will connect to one of the SBJTP timing ports to power it up.

Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would provide the power needed to 
power up the SBJTV ?   with a “standard” cable whatever that means 

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups power?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

Which syncbox?

On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Guys,

We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the tower 
through 

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Sean Heskett]

I've tried it a couple times and it never really works quite right (even
with 1 AP and 1 PTP link)

Personally I'd try another band but it sounds like a possible NLOS for both
PTP and PMP in the original post.



On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:23 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Well, that's probably not too terrible if you're only dealing with one AP
> and one PTP link... unless the distance of the PTP link is too shorter than
> some of the PMP links.
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> There is no way to set "max miles" on the PTP system.  So hopefully you
>> can set the AP to the mileage of the PTP link.  Otherwise your only left
>> with downlink % and control slots to make the timing match.
>>
>> It can be done but it's hard and you make a lot of concessions (mostly on
>> the PMP system) to get them to sync.
>>
>> Also durring boot up of the PTP when it's ranging timing will go screwy
>> for a cpl min.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
> You just put them on the same timing system and then do 75/25 split for
>>> everything.  Wouldn't be that crazy.
>>>
>>> IMO sync for ptp is kind of dumb, though - I'd prefer flexible ratios
>>> and lower latency.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same band.
 It can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both systems
 and if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.

 2 cents

>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup 
 wrote:

>>> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on
> the board. Timing port only.
>
>
> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Nope, that's all you need.
>
> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just
> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
> from PacketFlux, personally.
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> For a PTP link?
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
>> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than
>> 2x radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
>>
>> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
>> separate device?
>>
>> Thank you - Chris
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Mathew Howard]

Well, that's probably not too terrible if you're only dealing with one AP
and one PTP link... unless the distance of the PTP link is too shorter than
some of the PMP links.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> There is no way to set "max miles" on the PTP system.  So hopefully you
> can set the AP to the mileage of the PTP link.  Otherwise your only left
> with downlink % and control slots to make the timing match.
>
> It can be done but it's hard and you make a lot of concessions (mostly on
> the PMP system) to get them to sync.
>
> Also durring boot up of the PTP when it's ranging timing will go screwy
> for a cpl min.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> You just put them on the same timing system and then do 75/25 split for
>> everything.  Wouldn't be that crazy.
>>
>> IMO sync for ptp is kind of dumb, though - I'd prefer flexible ratios and
>> lower latency.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same band.
>>> It can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both systems
>>> and if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.
>>>
>>> 2 cents
>>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on
 the board. Timing port only.


 On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 Nope, that's all you need.

 No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
 you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
 If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
 Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just
 about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
 from PacketFlux, personally.

 On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
 jeffl...@att.net> wrote:

> For a PTP link?
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x
> radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
>
> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
> separate device?
>
> Thank you - Chris
>
>

[AFMUG] PMP450 SM ethernet jack

[Matt]

Anyone know the Digikey etc. part number for the ethernet jack on a
standard 5.7 PMP450 SM?

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Sean Heskett]

There is no way to set "max miles" on the PTP system.  So hopefully you can
set the AP to the mileage of the PTP link.  Otherwise your only left with
downlink % and control slots to make the timing match.

It can be done but it's hard and you make a lot of concessions (mostly on
the PMP system) to get them to sync.

Also durring boot up of the PTP when it's ranging timing will go screwy for
a cpl min.

-Sean


On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> You just put them on the same timing system and then do 75/25 split for
> everything.  Wouldn't be that crazy.
>
> IMO sync for ptp is kind of dumb, though - I'd prefer flexible ratios and
> lower latency.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same band.
>> It can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both systems
>> and if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on
>>> the board. Timing port only.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>
>>> Nope, that's all you need.
>>>
>>> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
>>> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
>>> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
>>> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just
>>> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
>>> from PacketFlux, personally.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
>>> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
 For a PTP link?

 Jeff Broadwick
 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

 On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
 cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

 To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x
 radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?

 Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
 separate device?

 Thank you - Chris


>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Mathew Howard]

There are issues getting PTP and PMP to sync with eachother... something to
do with the differences in how they handle the distance settings, if I
remember correctly.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> You just put them on the same timing system and then do 75/25 split for
> everything.  Wouldn't be that crazy.
>
> IMO sync for ptp is kind of dumb, though - I'd prefer flexible ratios and
> lower latency.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same band.
>> It can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both systems
>> and if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on
>>> the board. Timing port only.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>
>>> Nope, that's all you need.
>>>
>>> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
>>> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
>>> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
>>> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just
>>> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
>>> from PacketFlux, personally.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
>>> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
 For a PTP link?

 Jeff Broadwick
 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

 On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
 cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

 To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x
 radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?

 Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
 separate device?

 Thank you - Chris


>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Mathew Howard]

Not so... the 900mhz variety is 450i, and they do support sync over power
(according to Cambium... I haven't actually tried it).

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:34 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on
> the board. Timing port only.
>
> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Nope, that's all you need.
>
> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just
> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
> from PacketFlux, personally.
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  > wrote:
>
>> For a PTP link?
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
>> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x
>> radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
>>
>> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
>> separate device?
>>
>> Thank you - Chris
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Josh Luthman]

You just put them on the same timing system and then do 75/25 split for
everything.  Wouldn't be that crazy.

IMO sync for ptp is kind of dumb, though - I'd prefer flexible ratios and
lower latency.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same band.  It
> can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both systems and
> if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.
>
> 2 cents
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on
>> the board. Timing port only.
>>
>>
>> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> Nope, that's all you need.
>>
>> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
>> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
>> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
>> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just
>> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
>> from PacketFlux, personally.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
>> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> For a PTP link?
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
>>> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
>>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x
>>> radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
>>>
>>> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
>>> separate device?
>>>
>>> Thank you - Chris
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Sean Heskett]

Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same band.  It
can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both systems and
if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.

2 cents


On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup 
wrote:

> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on
> the board. Timing port only.
>
>
> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Nope, that's all you need.
>
> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just
> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
> from PacketFlux, personally.
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  > wrote:
>
>> For a PTP link?
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
>> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x
>> radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
>>
>> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
>> separate device?
>>
>> Thank you - Chris
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[George Skorup]

The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on 
the board. Timing port only.


On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Nope, that's all you need.

No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if 
you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the 
Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so 
just about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use 
something from PacketFlux, personally.


On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:


For a PTP link?

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519  Office
574-220-7826  Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 

On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray
>
wrote:


To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other
than 2x radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?

Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
separate device?

Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Christopher Gray]

Yes, it is for a PTP link.

Can they sync with PMP100 hardware? I have an old AP relatively nearby that
will eventually be upgraded... so it is not really a necessity, but it
could be useful.

Do you know if it works with the PacketFlux syncpipe? I already have a
couple of those.



On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> Nope, that's all you need.
>
> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just
> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
> from PacketFlux, personally.
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  > wrote:
>
>> For a PTP link?
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x
>> radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
>>
>> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
>> separate device?
>>
>> Thank you - Chris
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The rj45 has the equivalent of a timing port on pins 123 and 6.  I don't
have access to the full pinout but I'll see if I can pull it up when I get
to more Internet

On Jun 15, 2017 11:27 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> How would a SBJ Basic work?   It only has a RJ45 connector….   With no
> timing ports, it can’t feed anything.  Thought it was just a Sync Pipe
> basic replacement ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 12:12 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
> device
>
>
>
> A basic would work, along with about anything other than an aux or timing
> port version
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 11:01 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
> We had moved away from SyncPipes for the most part, bought the SPJ Basics
> instead of pipes the past few times we needed that.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:37 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
> device
>
>
>
> What else you got laying around? Deluxe pipe? Rev F/G/H will work fine
> with 12-56VDC.
>
> On 6/15/2017 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
>
> That’s what it appears.  Am wondering if Forrest has a different voltage
> range for input since he built it himself
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
> device
>
>
>
> I'm about 63.48% sure that UGPS power is like 5-7VDC which is on one of
> the serial lines, IIRC.
>
> On 6/15/2017 10:15 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
>
> S… can I power it off an S16 somehow, with the right cable?  (24v?)
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:04 AM
> *To:* af  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
> device
>
>
>
> OK found a short .pdf manual.   Looks like the 100 series may not support
> this.
>
> The timing port model needs ugps power.
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 9:46 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Hmm. ...   odd.  I know it's in the 450, but I thought it was in the older
> radios too.
>
>
>
> I'm traveling, so can't look it up,  but what does the uGPS manual say
> about FSK radios?
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 9:42 AM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
> I don't have a single P10 or P11 FSK AP that has UGPS power control on the
> config page. Perhaps it's just always on?
>
> On 6/15/2017 9:35 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> AFAIK All semi-modern fsk radios provide uGPS power.  Just connect the
> radio and box  together and turn on uGPS power in the radio.  Use whatever
> cable cambium recommends for a uGPS  probably just a 6p6c straight through
> cable, although it might make sense to skip the factory reset pin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 9:19 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
> H….. let me try again.
>
>
>
> I have a single FSK AP that is getting powered/ethernet successfully
> connected to a UBNT S16.  I need to get sync to that radio.  I want to
> power the SB Junior Timing Port Version by making a cable that I can
> connect to the S16 that will connect to one of the SBJTP timing ports to
> power it up.
>
>
>
> Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would provide the power needed
> to power up the SBJTV ?   with a “standard” cable whatever that means 
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
> device
>
>
>
> What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups power?
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
> Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
> device
>
>
>
> Which syncbox?
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
>
>
> We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the tower
> through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I want to use
> one timing port to output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to
> receive power from the S16 and need to figure out the pinout (wiring
> diagram) to make that happen.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, 

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Paul McCall]

How would a SBJ Basic work?   It only has a RJ45 connector….   With no timing 
ports, it can’t feed anything.  Thought it was just a Sync Pipe basic 
replacement ?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 12:12 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

A basic would work, along with about anything other than an aux or timing port 
version

On Jun 15, 2017 11:01 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
We had moved away from SyncPipes for the most part, bought the SPJ Basics 
instead of pipes the past few times we needed that.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

What else you got laying around? Deluxe pipe? Rev F/G/H will work fine with 
12-56VDC.
On 6/15/2017 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
That’s what it appears.  Am wondering if Forrest has a different voltage range 
for input since he built it himself

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

I'm about 63.48% sure that UGPS power is like 5-7VDC which is on one of the 
serial lines, IIRC.
On 6/15/2017 10:15 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
S… can I power it off an S16 somehow, with the right cable?  (24v?)

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

OK found a short .pdf manual.   Looks like the 100 series may not support this.
The timing port model needs ugps power.

On Jun 15, 2017 9:46 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
> wrote:
Hmm. ...   odd.  I know it's in the 450, but I thought it was in the older 
radios too.

I'm traveling, so can't look it up,  but what does the uGPS manual say about 
FSK radios?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:42 AM, "George Skorup" 
> wrote:
I don't have a single P10 or P11 FSK AP that has UGPS power control on the 
config page. Perhaps it's just always on?
On 6/15/2017 9:35 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
AFAIK All semi-modern fsk radios provide uGPS power.  Just connect the radio 
and box  together and turn on uGPS power in the radio.  Use whatever cable 
cambium recommends for a uGPS  probably just a 6p6c straight through cable, 
although it might make sense to skip the factory reset pin.



On Jun 15, 2017 9:19 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
H….. let me try again.

I have a single FSK AP that is getting powered/ethernet successfully connected 
to a UBNT S16.  I need to get sync to that radio.  I want to power the SB 
Junior Timing Port Version by making a cable that I can connect to the S16 that 
will connect to one of the SBJTP timing ports to power it up.

Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would provide the power needed to 
power up the SBJTV ?   with a “standard” cable whatever that means 

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups power?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

Which syncbox?

On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Guys,

We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the tower 
through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I want to use one 
timing port to output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to receive 
power from the S16 and need to figure out the pinout (wiring diagram) to make 
that happen.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] laser based coms

[Robert Andrews]

IR as well, sorry my bad

On 06/15/2017 09:18 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I did free space lasers between sky scrapers in Mexico City in 1990.
Buildings more a whole bunch more than you think they do.
Products have been out there for years.  The TV network used them for
the Spain Olympics in 1992.

Not sure if any of these systems are in the visible range.
They were all IR in my experience.  You want them to cut fog.

Why would you want to be in the visible spectrum?

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] laser based coms

A friend is doing research into laser based space and atmosphere laser
coms and pinged me as to who is producing product in the visible
wavelengths these days.   They already have contacts at NASA and FB on
work being done there and I though I would ask AFMUG as to info that
people have about current products/research that anyone can share?

Best Regards,
Robert Andrews

Re: [AFMUG] laser based coms

[Jaime Solorza]

We did LACE install for Johnson and Johnson in 90s ... blazing 100MBps ...
across in Cd. Juarez..two blocks..

Jaime Solorza

On Jun 15, 2017 10:18 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I did free space lasers between sky scrapers in Mexico City in 1990.
> Buildings more a whole bunch more than you think they do.
> Products have been out there for years.  The TV network used them for the
> Spain Olympics in 1992.
>
> Not sure if any of these systems are in the visible range.
> They were all IR in my experience.  You want them to cut fog.
>
> Why would you want to be in the visible spectrum?
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] laser based coms
>
> A friend is doing research into laser based space and atmosphere laser
> coms and pinged me as to who is producing product in the visible
> wavelengths these days.   They already have contacts at NASA and FB on
> work being done there and I though I would ask AFMUG as to info that
> people have about current products/research that anyone can share?
>
> Best Regards,
> Robert Andrews
>

Re: [AFMUG] laser based coms

[Rory Conaway]

You still have some of the old players but it’s still a very short range 
technology.  It just costs a boatload of money to keep the beams aligned the 
farther out you go.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:07 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] laser based coms

Lawrence Livermore (spelling?) Is one where an engineer friend of mine 
works...near SF , California
Jaime Solorza

On Jun 15, 2017 10:03 AM, "Robert Andrews" 
> wrote:
A friend is doing research into laser based space and atmosphere laser coms and 
pinged me as to who is producing product in the visible wavelengths these days. 
  They already have contacts at NASA and FB on work being done there and I 
though I would ask AFMUG as to info that people have about current 
products/research that anyone can share?

Best Regards,
Robert Andrews

Re: [AFMUG] laser based coms

[Chuck McCown]

I did free space lasers between sky scrapers in Mexico City in 1990. 
Buildings more a whole bunch more than you think they do.
Products have been out there for years.  The TV network used them for the 
Spain Olympics in 1992.


Not sure if any of these systems are in the visible range.
They were all IR in my experience.  You want them to cut fog.

Why would you want to be in the visible spectrum?

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] laser based coms

A friend is doing research into laser based space and atmosphere laser
coms and pinged me as to who is producing product in the visible
wavelengths these days.   They already have contacts at NASA and FB on
work being done there and I though I would ask AFMUG as to info that
people have about current products/research that anyone can share?

Best Regards,
Robert Andrews 

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

A basic would work, along with about anything other than an aux or timing
port version

On Jun 15, 2017 11:01 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> We had moved away from SyncPipes for the most part, bought the SPJ Basics
> instead of pipes the past few times we needed that.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:37 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
> device
>
>
>
> What else you got laying around? Deluxe pipe? Rev F/G/H will work fine
> with 12-56VDC.
>
> On 6/15/2017 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
>
> That’s what it appears.  Am wondering if Forrest has a different voltage
> range for input since he built it himself
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
> device
>
>
>
> I'm about 63.48% sure that UGPS power is like 5-7VDC which is on one of
> the serial lines, IIRC.
>
> On 6/15/2017 10:15 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
>
> S… can I power it off an S16 somehow, with the right cable?  (24v?)
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:04 AM
> *To:* af  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
> device
>
>
>
> OK found a short .pdf manual.   Looks like the 100 series may not support
> this.
>
> The timing port model needs ugps power.
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 9:46 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Hmm. ...   odd.  I know it's in the 450, but I thought it was in the older
> radios too.
>
>
>
> I'm traveling, so can't look it up,  but what does the uGPS manual say
> about FSK radios?
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 9:42 AM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
> I don't have a single P10 or P11 FSK AP that has UGPS power control on the
> config page. Perhaps it's just always on?
>
> On 6/15/2017 9:35 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> AFAIK All semi-modern fsk radios provide uGPS power.  Just connect the
> radio and box  together and turn on uGPS power in the radio.  Use whatever
> cable cambium recommends for a uGPS  probably just a 6p6c straight through
> cable, although it might make sense to skip the factory reset pin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 9:19 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
> H….. let me try again.
>
>
>
> I have a single FSK AP that is getting powered/ethernet successfully
> connected to a UBNT S16.  I need to get sync to that radio.  I want to
> power the SB Junior Timing Port Version by making a cable that I can
> connect to the S16 that will connect to one of the SBJTP timing ports to
> power it up.
>
>
>
> Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would provide the power needed
> to power up the SBJTV ?   with a “standard” cable whatever that means 
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
> device
>
>
>
> What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups power?
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
> Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
> device
>
>
>
> Which syncbox?
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
>
>
> We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the tower
> through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I want to use
> one timing port to output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to
> receive power from the S16 and need to figure out the pinout (wiring
> diagram) to make that happen.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <%28772%29%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] laser based coms

[Jaime Solorza]

Lawrence Livermore (spelling?) Is one where an engineer friend of mine
works...near SF , California

Jaime Solorza

On Jun 15, 2017 10:03 AM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:

A friend is doing research into laser based space and atmosphere laser coms
and pinged me as to who is producing product in the visible wavelengths
these days.   They already have contacts at NASA and FB on work being done
there and I though I would ask AFMUG as to info that people have about
current products/research that anyone can share?

Best Regards,
Robert Andrews

[AFMUG] laser based coms

[Robert Andrews]

A friend is doing research into laser based space and atmosphere laser 
coms and pinged me as to who is producing product in the visible 
wavelengths these days.   They already have contacts at NASA and FB on 
work being done there and I though I would ask AFMUG as to info that 
people have about current products/research that anyone can share?


Best Regards,
Robert Andrews

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Paul McCall]

We had moved away from SyncPipes for the most part, bought the SPJ Basics 
instead of pipes the past few times we needed that.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

What else you got laying around? Deluxe pipe? Rev F/G/H will work fine with 
12-56VDC.
On 6/15/2017 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
That’s what it appears.  Am wondering if Forrest has a different voltage range 
for input since he built it himself

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

I'm about 63.48% sure that UGPS power is like 5-7VDC which is on one of the 
serial lines, IIRC.
On 6/15/2017 10:15 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
S… can I power it off an S16 somehow, with the right cable?  (24v?)

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

OK found a short .pdf manual.   Looks like the 100 series may not support this.
The timing port model needs ugps power.

On Jun 15, 2017 9:46 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
> wrote:
Hmm. ...   odd.  I know it's in the 450, but I thought it was in the older 
radios too.

I'm traveling, so can't look it up,  but what does the uGPS manual say about 
FSK radios?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:42 AM, "George Skorup" 
> wrote:
I don't have a single P10 or P11 FSK AP that has UGPS power control on the 
config page. Perhaps it's just always on?
On 6/15/2017 9:35 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
AFAIK All semi-modern fsk radios provide uGPS power.  Just connect the radio 
and box  together and turn on uGPS power in the radio.  Use whatever cable 
cambium recommends for a uGPS  probably just a 6p6c straight through cable, 
although it might make sense to skip the factory reset pin.



On Jun 15, 2017 9:19 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
H….. let me try again.

I have a single FSK AP that is getting powered/ethernet successfully connected 
to a UBNT S16.  I need to get sync to that radio.  I want to power the SB 
Junior Timing Port Version by making a cable that I can connect to the S16 that 
will connect to one of the SBJTP timing ports to power it up.

Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would provide the power needed to 
power up the SBJTV ?   with a “standard” cable whatever that means 

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups power?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

Which syncbox?

On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Guys,

We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the tower 
through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I want to use one 
timing port to output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to receive 
power from the S16 and need to figure out the pinout (wiring diagram) to make 
that happen.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Mathew Howard]

Nope, that's all you need.

No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the Master
radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just about
any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something from
PacketFlux, personally.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> For a PTP link?
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray 
> wrote:
>
> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x
> radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
>
> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a separate
> device?
>
> Thank you - Chris
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[George Skorup]

What else you got laying around? Deluxe pipe? Rev F/G/H will work fine 
with 12-56VDC.


On 6/15/2017 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


That’s what it appears.  Am wondering if Forrest has a different 
voltage range for input since he built it himself


Paul

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type 
device


I'm about 63.48% sure that UGPS power is like 5-7VDC which is on one 
of the serial lines, IIRC.


On 6/15/2017 10:15 AM, Paul McCall wrote:

S… can I power it off an S16 somehow, with the right cable? 
(24v?)


Paul

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:04 AM
*To:* af  
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS
type device

OK found a short .pdf manual.   Looks like the 100 series may not
support this.

The timing port model needs ugps power.

On Jun 15, 2017 9:46 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
> wrote:

Hmm. ...   odd.  I know it's in the 450, but I thought it was
in the older radios too.

I'm traveling, so can't look it up,  but what does the uGPS
manual say about FSK radios?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:42 AM, "George Skorup"
>
wrote:

I don't have a single P10 or P11 FSK AP that has UGPS
power control on the config page. Perhaps it's just always on?

On 6/15/2017 9:35 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

AFAIK All semi-modern fsk radios provide uGPS power. 
Just connect the radio and box  together and turn on

uGPS power in the radio.  Use whatever cable cambium
recommends for a uGPS  probably just a 6p6c straight
through cable, although it might make sense to skip
the factory reset pin.

On Jun 15, 2017 9:19 AM, "Paul McCall"
> wrote:

H….. let me try again.

I have a single FSK AP that is getting
powered/ethernet successfully connected to a UBNT
S16.  I need to get sync to that radio.  I want to
power the SB Junior Timing Port Version by making
a cable that I can connect to the S16 that will
connect to one of the SBJTP timing ports to power
it up.

Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would
provide the power needed to power up the SBJTV ?
  with a “standard” cable whatever that means 

Paul

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of
*Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
*To:* af >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior
without a uGPS type device

What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do
ups power?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall"
> wrote:

Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of
*Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
*To:* af >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox
Junior without a uGPS type device

Which syncbox?

On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall"
>
wrote:

Guys,

We need to providing timing on a single
FSK AP and it is fed up the tower through
fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off
the S16).   I want to use one timing port
to output timing to the FSK (as normal)
and one port to receive power from the S16
and need to figure out the pinout (wiring
diagram) to make that happen.

  

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Paul McCall]

That’s what it appears.  Am wondering if Forrest has a different voltage range 
for input since he built it himself

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

I'm about 63.48% sure that UGPS power is like 5-7VDC which is on one of the 
serial lines, IIRC.
On 6/15/2017 10:15 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
S… can I power it off an S16 somehow, with the right cable?  (24v?)

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

OK found a short .pdf manual.   Looks like the 100 series may not support this.
The timing port model needs ugps power.

On Jun 15, 2017 9:46 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
> wrote:
Hmm. ...   odd.  I know it's in the 450, but I thought it was in the older 
radios too.

I'm traveling, so can't look it up,  but what does the uGPS manual say about 
FSK radios?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:42 AM, "George Skorup" 
> wrote:
I don't have a single P10 or P11 FSK AP that has UGPS power control on the 
config page. Perhaps it's just always on?
On 6/15/2017 9:35 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
AFAIK All semi-modern fsk radios provide uGPS power.  Just connect the radio 
and box  together and turn on uGPS power in the radio.  Use whatever cable 
cambium recommends for a uGPS  probably just a 6p6c straight through cable, 
although it might make sense to skip the factory reset pin.



On Jun 15, 2017 9:19 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
H….. let me try again.

I have a single FSK AP that is getting powered/ethernet successfully connected 
to a UBNT S16.  I need to get sync to that radio.  I want to power the SB 
Junior Timing Port Version by making a cable that I can connect to the S16 that 
will connect to one of the SBJTP timing ports to power it up.

Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would provide the power needed to 
power up the SBJTV ?   with a “standard” cable whatever that means 

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups power?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

Which syncbox?

On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Guys,

We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the tower 
through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I want to use one 
timing port to output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to receive 
power from the S16 and need to figure out the pinout (wiring diagram) to make 
that happen.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[George Skorup]

I'm about 63.48% sure that UGPS power is like 5-7VDC which is on one of 
the serial lines, IIRC.


On 6/15/2017 10:15 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


S… can I power it off an S16 somehow, with the right cable?  (24v?)

Paul

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest 
Christian (List Account)

*Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:04 AM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type 
device


OK found a short .pdf manual.   Looks like the 100 series may not 
support this.


The timing port model needs ugps power.

On Jun 15, 2017 9:46 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
> wrote:


Hmm. ...   odd.  I know it's in the 450, but I thought it was in
the older radios too.

I'm traveling, so can't look it up,  but what does the uGPS manual
say about FSK radios?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:42 AM, "George Skorup" > wrote:

I don't have a single P10 or P11 FSK AP that has UGPS power
control on the config page. Perhaps it's just always on?

On 6/15/2017 9:35 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

AFAIK All semi-modern fsk radios provide uGPS power.  Just
connect the radio and box  together and turn on uGPS power
in the radio.  Use whatever cable cambium recommends for a
uGPS  probably just a 6p6c straight through cable,
although it might make sense to skip the factory reset pin.

On Jun 15, 2017 9:19 AM, "Paul McCall" > wrote:

H….. let me try again.

I have a single FSK AP that is getting
powered/ethernet successfully connected to a UBNT
S16.  I need to get sync to that radio.  I want to
power the SB Junior Timing Port Version by making a
cable that I can connect to the S16 that will connect
to one of the SBJTP timing ports to power it up.

Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would
provide the power needed to power up the SBJTV ?
  with a “standard” cable whatever that means 

Paul

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
*To:* af >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior
without a uGPS type device

What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups
power?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall"
> wrote:

Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of
*Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
*To:* af >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior
without a uGPS type device

Which syncbox?

On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall"
> wrote:

Guys,

We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP
and it is fed up the tower through fiber to a
UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I
want to use one timing port to output timing
to the FSK (as normal) and one port to receive
power from the S16 and need to figure out the
pinout (wiring diagram) to make that happen.

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

For a PTP link?

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray  
> wrote:
> 
> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x 
> radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
> 
> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a separate 
> device?
> 
> Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Paul McCall]

If I had a Parasitic laying around I would.  And the timing port version does 
NOT have an RJ45, it has to run off power fed to it via a timing port (uGPS) 
which Forrest acknowledge now.  I actually had done a straight through cable 
(minus reset line) just to see if an FSK would turn it on; it doesn’t.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

One FSK AP? Just put a Parasitic pipe on it.

The 4-port SBJ aux & timing port versions are basically identical. Aux = RJ45. 
Timing port = RJ12. Obviously requires UGPS power capable radios.

You can always do a regular SBJ deluxe which has a dedicated SyncInjector/power 
port. If it was me, I'd just use a Parasitic pipe since we usually have some of 
those laying around.
On 6/15/2017 9:24 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
There is no RJ45 input on the SBJTP version.  We power lots of other RJ45 
devices of the S16 with special cables.  This is a different animal

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

If I understand your question.. just use the Canopy PoE pinout.  We power 
SyncBox's from Netonix using this scheme.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
H….. let me try again.

I have a single FSK AP that is getting powered/ethernet successfully connected 
to a UBNT S16.  I need to get sync to that radio.  I want to power the SB 
Junior Timing Port Version by making a cable that I can connect to the S16 that 
will connect to one of the SBJTP timing ports to power it up.

Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would provide the power needed to 
power up the SBJTV ?   with a “standard” cable whatever that means 

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups power?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

Which syncbox?

On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Guys,

We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the tower 
through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I want to use one 
timing port to output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to receive 
power from the S16 and need to figure out the pinout (wiring diagram) to make 
that happen.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Paul McCall]

S… can I power it off an S16 somehow, with the right cable?  (24v?)

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

OK found a short .pdf manual.   Looks like the 100 series may not support this.
The timing port model needs ugps power.

On Jun 15, 2017 9:46 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
> wrote:
Hmm. ...   odd.  I know it's in the 450, but I thought it was in the older 
radios too.

I'm traveling, so can't look it up,  but what does the uGPS manual say about 
FSK radios?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:42 AM, "George Skorup" 
> wrote:
I don't have a single P10 or P11 FSK AP that has UGPS power control on the 
config page. Perhaps it's just always on?
On 6/15/2017 9:35 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
AFAIK All semi-modern fsk radios provide uGPS power.  Just connect the radio 
and box  together and turn on uGPS power in the radio.  Use whatever cable 
cambium recommends for a uGPS  probably just a 6p6c straight through cable, 
although it might make sense to skip the factory reset pin.



On Jun 15, 2017 9:19 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
H….. let me try again.

I have a single FSK AP that is getting powered/ethernet successfully connected 
to a UBNT S16.  I need to get sync to that radio.  I want to power the SB 
Junior Timing Port Version by making a cable that I can connect to the S16 that 
will connect to one of the SBJTP timing ports to power it up.

Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would provide the power needed to 
power up the SBJTV ?   with a “standard” cable whatever that means 

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups power?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

Which syncbox?

On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Guys,

We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the tower 
through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I want to use one 
timing port to output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to receive 
power from the S16 and need to figure out the pinout (wiring diagram) to make 
that happen.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

[AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Christopher Gray]

To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x
radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?

Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a separate
device?

Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

OK found a short .pdf manual.   Looks like the 100 series may not support
this.
The timing port model needs ugps power.

On Jun 15, 2017 9:46 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Hmm. ...   odd.  I know it's in the 450, but I thought it was in the older
> radios too.
>
> I'm traveling, so can't look it up,  but what does the uGPS manual say
> about FSK radios?
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 9:42 AM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
>> I don't have a single P10 or P11 FSK AP that has UGPS power control on
>> the config page. Perhaps it's just always on?
>>
>> On 6/15/2017 9:35 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> AFAIK All semi-modern fsk radios provide uGPS power.  Just connect the
>> radio and box  together and turn on uGPS power in the radio.  Use whatever
>> cable cambium recommends for a uGPS  probably just a 6p6c straight through
>> cable, although it might make sense to skip the factory reset pin.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2017 9:19 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>>
>>> H….. let me try again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a single FSK AP that is getting powered/ethernet successfully
>>> connected to a UBNT S16.  I need to get sync to that radio.  I want to
>>> power the SB Junior Timing Port Version by making a cable that I can
>>> connect to the S16 that will connect to one of the SBJTP timing ports to
>>> power it up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would provide the power
>>> needed to power up the SBJTV ?   with a “standard” cable whatever that
>>> means 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
>>> Christian (List Account)
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
>>> *To:* af 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
>>> device
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups power?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
>>> Christian (List Account)
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
>>> *To:* af 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
>>> device
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which syncbox?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the
>>> tower through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I want
>>> to use one timing port to output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port
>>> to receive power from the S16 and need to figure out the pinout (wiring
>>> diagram) to make that happen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, President
>>>
>>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>>
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>>
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>>
>>> 772-564-6800 <%28772%29%20564-6800>
>>>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>>
>>> www.pdmnet.com
>>>
>>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Hmm. ...   odd.  I know it's in the 450, but I thought it was in the older
radios too.

I'm traveling, so can't look it up,  but what does the uGPS manual say
about FSK radios?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:42 AM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> I don't have a single P10 or P11 FSK AP that has UGPS power control on the
> config page. Perhaps it's just always on?
>
> On 6/15/2017 9:35 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> AFAIK All semi-modern fsk radios provide uGPS power.  Just connect the
> radio and box  together and turn on uGPS power in the radio.  Use whatever
> cable cambium recommends for a uGPS  probably just a 6p6c straight through
> cable, although it might make sense to skip the factory reset pin.
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 9:19 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
>> H….. let me try again.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a single FSK AP that is getting powered/ethernet successfully
>> connected to a UBNT S16.  I need to get sync to that radio.  I want to
>> power the SB Junior Timing Port Version by making a cable that I can
>> connect to the S16 that will connect to one of the SBJTP timing ports to
>> power it up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would provide the power needed
>> to power up the SBJTV ?   with a “standard” cable whatever that means 
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
>> Christian (List Account)
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
>> device
>>
>>
>>
>> What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups power?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>>
>> Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
>> Christian (List Account)
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
>> device
>>
>>
>>
>> Which syncbox?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>>
>> Guys,
>>
>>
>>
>> We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the tower
>> through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I want to use
>> one timing port to output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to
>> receive power from the S16 and need to figure out the pinout (wiring
>> diagram) to make that happen.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <%28772%29%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[George Skorup]

I don't have a single P10 or P11 FSK AP that has UGPS power control on 
the config page. Perhaps it's just always on?


On 6/15/2017 9:35 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
AFAIK All semi-modern fsk radios provide uGPS power.  Just connect the 
radio and box  together and turn on uGPS power in the radio.  Use 
whatever cable cambium recommends for a uGPS  probably just a 6p6c 
straight through cable, although it might make sense to skip the 
factory reset pin.




On Jun 15, 2017 9:19 AM, "Paul McCall" > wrote:


H….. let me try again.

I have a single FSK AP that is getting powered/ethernet
successfully connected to a UBNT S16.  I need to get sync to that
radio.  I want to power the SB Junior Timing Port Version by
making a cable that I can connect to the S16 that will connect to
one of the SBJTP timing ports to power it up.

Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would provide the power
needed to power up the SBJTV ?   with a “standard” cable whatever
that means 

Paul

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
(List Account)
*Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
*To:* af >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS
type device

What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups power?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall" > wrote:

Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
*To:* af >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a
uGPS type device

Which syncbox?

On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall" > wrote:

Guys,

We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is
fed up the tower through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its
powering off the S16).   I want to use one timing port to
output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to
receive power from the S16 and need to figure out the
pinout (wiring diagram) to make that happen.

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[George Skorup]

One FSK AP? Just put a Parasitic pipe on it.

The 4-port SBJ aux & timing port versions are basically identical. Aux = 
RJ45. Timing port = RJ12. Obviously requires UGPS power capable radios.


You can always do a regular SBJ deluxe which has a dedicated 
SyncInjector/power port. If it was me, I'd just use a Parasitic pipe 
since we usually have some of those laying around.


On 6/15/2017 9:24 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


There is no RJ45 input on the SBJTP version.  We power lots of other 
RJ45 devices of the S16 with special cables.  This is a different animal


*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type 
device


If I understand your question.. just use the Canopy PoE pinout.  We 
power SyncBox's from Netonix using this scheme.


On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Paul McCall > wrote:


H….. let me try again.

I have a single FSK AP that is getting powered/ethernet
successfully connected to a UBNT S16.  I need to get sync to that
radio.  I want to power the SB Junior Timing Port Version by
making a cable that I can connect to the S16 that will connect to
one of the SBJTP timing ports to power it up.

Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would provide the power
needed to power up the SBJTV ?   with a “standard” cable whatever
that means 

Paul

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
(List Account)
*Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
*To:* af >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS
type device

What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups power?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall" > wrote:

Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
*To:* af >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a
uGPS type device

Which syncbox?

On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall" > wrote:

Guys,

We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is
fed up the tower through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its
powering off the S16).   I want to use one timing port to
output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to
receive power from the S16 and need to figure out the
pinout (wiring diagram) to make that happen.

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

AFAIK All semi-modern fsk radios provide uGPS power.  Just connect the
radio and box  together and turn on uGPS power in the radio.  Use whatever
cable cambium recommends for a uGPS  probably just a 6p6c straight through
cable, although it might make sense to skip the factory reset pin.



On Jun 15, 2017 9:19 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> H….. let me try again.
>
>
>
> I have a single FSK AP that is getting powered/ethernet successfully
> connected to a UBNT S16.  I need to get sync to that radio.  I want to
> power the SB Junior Timing Port Version by making a cable that I can
> connect to the S16 that will connect to one of the SBJTP timing ports to
> power it up.
>
>
>
> Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would provide the power needed
> to power up the SBJTV ?   with a “standard” cable whatever that means 
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
> device
>
>
>
> What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups power?
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
> Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
> device
>
>
>
> Which syncbox?
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
>
>
> We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the tower
> through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I want to use
> one timing port to output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to
> receive power from the S16 and need to figure out the pinout (wiring
> diagram) to make that happen.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

[Jerry Head]

So sorry to hear that, best wishes from The Deep South.


On 6/15/2017 9:28 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Yeah, found out last week at ultrasound, in ER since like 3 this 
morning cause it went south, its a rough deal for her. Sorry, no good 
analogy today


On Jun 15, 2017 4:28 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
> wrote:


Are you saying what I think you're saying here?

If so,  that really sucks.

On Jun 12, 2017 6:23 PM, "Steve Jones" > wrote:

kernel panic

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Steve Jones
>
wrote:

apparently, God had other plans

On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Bruce Robertson
> wrote:

If he has any income (especially earned) at all, then
yes on the tax evasion.


On 5/13/17 9:43 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Don't you wonder?   Is it?

On 05/13/2017 07:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

And he lives with continual exposure of prison
due to tax evasion.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

Screwed by whose definition? If he put all
that money that he would
have paid as taxes under his
bed/cabin/lean-to, he may be way...  Way..
WAY better off...

On 05/12/2017 01:51 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:

I believe that he is.

On 5/12/17 1:44 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
 wrote:

That's right.  I remember that now
because we had to go to a little
extra effort to ensure my wife had 20
quarters, but then we learned
she gets half my benefit if it is
larger.  So it really was not an
emergency after all.

But for the undocumented guy in the
woods, if he doesn't have 20
quarters of contributions I wonder if
he is screwed?

-Original Message- From: Bruce
Robertson
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall
maintenance

No, you don't.  You have to contribute
for at least 20 (if I remember)
quarters to get benefits. And many
public employees, such as my wife
(University professor) don't pay into
social security at all - they have
an alternative plan that has the same
contribution requirements, but the
money goes into your own mutual funds.

On 5/12/17 1:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
 wrote:

When it comes time to collect
social security, they take your
highest
35 years of pay to do the
calculation.  If you never put
anything in,
I wonder if you get any out?

-Original Message- From:
Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall
maintenance

I've heard tell of a local man
working in the construction trades who
was born at home and has no
documentation. Apparently he likes
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

[Steve Jones]

Yeah, found out last week at ultrasound, in ER since like 3 this morning
cause it went south, its a rough deal for her. Sorry, no good analogy today

On Jun 15, 2017 4:28 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Are you saying what I think you're saying here?
>
> If so,  that really sucks.
>
> On Jun 12, 2017 6:23 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> kernel panic
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> apparently, God had other plans
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Bruce Robertson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If he has any income (especially earned) at all, then yes on the tax
 evasion.


 On 5/13/17 9:43 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:

> Don't you wonder?   Is it?
>
> On 05/13/2017 07:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> And he lives with continual exposure of prison due to tax evasion.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:05 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>>
>> Screwed by whose definition?  If he put all that money that he would
>> have paid as taxes under his bed/cabin/lean-to, he may be way...
>> Way..
>> WAY better off...
>>
>> On 05/12/2017 01:51 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
>>
>>> I believe that he is.
>>>
>>> On 5/12/17 1:44 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
 That's right.  I remember that now because we had to go to a little
 extra effort to ensure my wife had 20 quarters, but then we learned
 she gets half my benefit if it is larger.  So it really was not an
 emergency after all.

 But for the undocumented guy in the woods, if he doesn't have 20
 quarters of contributions I wonder if he is screwed?

 -Original Message- From: Bruce Robertson
 Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:41 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

 No, you don't.  You have to contribute for at least 20 (if I
 remember)
 quarters to get benefits.  And many public employees, such as my
 wife
 (University professor) don't pay into social security at all - they
 have
 an alternative plan that has the same contribution requirements,
 but the
 money goes into your own mutual funds.

 On 5/12/17 1:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

> When it comes time to collect social security, they take your
> highest
> 35 years of pay to do the calculation.  If you never put anything
> in,
> I wonder if you get any out?
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:53 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>
> I've heard tell of a local man working in the construction trades
> who
> was born at home and has no documentation.  Apparently he likes it
> that
> way.  He works for cash and lives in a cabin on his parents'
> land.  I'm
> not saying it's the right way, but it's apparently an option.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 5/12/2017 12:29:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>
> Social Security didn't have any linkage with the county health
>> department. We had to send the birth certificate to them to get
>> the
>> SSN number. Sometimes that was years later.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert
>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:28 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>>
>> I thought the ssn was assigned even if the card isn't sent...
>>
>> On 5/12/17 9:16 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, separate process.  At least back in the day when my kids
>>> were
>>> born.
>>>
>>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 10:13 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>>>
>>> can you get a birth certificate without having to get the SSN
>>> registered?
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> 72,73,74
>>>
>>> On May 12, 2017 10:08 AM,  wrote:
>>>
>>> Until ICE deports them to Syria.
>>>
>>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 10:07 AM
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Paul McCall]

There is no RJ45 input on the SBJTP version.  We power lots of other RJ45 
devices of the S16 with special cables.  This is a different animal

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

If I understand your question.. just use the Canopy PoE pinout.  We power 
SyncBox's from Netonix using this scheme.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
H….. let me try again.

I have a single FSK AP that is getting powered/ethernet successfully connected 
to a UBNT S16.  I need to get sync to that radio.  I want to power the SB 
Junior Timing Port Version by making a cable that I can connect to the S16 that 
will connect to one of the SBJTP timing ports to power it up.

Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would provide the power needed to 
power up the SBJTV ?   with a “standard” cable whatever that means 

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups power?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

Which syncbox?

On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Guys,

We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the tower 
through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I want to use one 
timing port to output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to receive 
power from the S16 and need to figure out the pinout (wiring diagram) to make 
that happen.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Josh Baird]

If I understand your question.. just use the Canopy PoE pinout.  We power
SyncBox's from Netonix using this scheme.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> H….. let me try again.
>
>
>
> I have a single FSK AP that is getting powered/ethernet successfully
> connected to a UBNT S16.  I need to get sync to that radio.  I want to
> power the SB Junior Timing Port Version by making a cable that I can
> connect to the S16 that will connect to one of the SBJTP timing ports to
> power it up.
>
>
>
> Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would provide the power needed
> to power up the SBJTV ?   with a “standard” cable whatever that means 
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
> device
>
>
>
> What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups power?
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
> Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
> device
>
>
>
> Which syncbox?
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
>
>
> We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the tower
> through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I want to use
> one timing port to output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to
> receive power from the S16 and need to figure out the pinout (wiring
> diagram) to make that happen.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Paul McCall]

H….. let me try again.

I have a single FSK AP that is getting powered/ethernet successfully connected 
to a UBNT S16.  I need to get sync to that radio.  I want to power the SB 
Junior Timing Port Version by making a cable that I can connect to the S16 that 
will connect to one of the SBJTP timing ports to power it up.

Unless that ALL FSKs timing ports actually would provide the power needed to 
power up the SBJTV ?   with a “standard” cable whatever that means 

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:08 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups power?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

Which syncbox?

On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Guys,

We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the tower 
through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I want to use one 
timing port to output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to receive 
power from the S16 and need to figure out the pinout (wiring diagram) to make 
that happen.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

What type of fsk radio do you gave that doesn't do ups power?

On Jun 15, 2017 9:04 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type
> device
>
>
>
> Which syncbox?
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
>
>
> We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the tower
> through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I want to use
> one timing port to output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to
> receive power from the S16 and need to figure out the pinout (wiring
> diagram) to make that happen.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Paul McCall]

Syncbox Junior Timing Port Version

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:03 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

Which syncbox?

On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Guys,

We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the tower 
through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I want to use one 
timing port to output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to receive 
power from the S16 and need to figure out the pinout (wiring diagram) to make 
that happen.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Which syncbox?

On Jun 15, 2017 8:51 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> Guys,
>
>
>
> We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the tower
> through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I want to use
> one timing port to output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to
> receive power from the S16 and need to figure out the pinout (wiring
> diagram) to make that happen.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
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[AFMUG] Powering a Syncbox Junior without a uGPS type device

[Paul McCall]

Guys,

We need to providing timing on a single FSK AP and it is fed up the tower 
through fiber to a UBNT S16. (so its powering off the S16).   I want to use one 
timing port to output timing to the FSK (as normal) and one port to receive 
power from the S16 and need to figure out the pinout (wiring diagram) to make 
that happen.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

[Eric Muehleisen]

Is it cheaper than a 450 SM + 27RD?

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Easier to assemble, looks way better (professional) 40 mbps key included,
> less pieces to stock
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Bill Prince <
> part15...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 7:11 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's
>
> So even though it has the same gain, and wider beam width, it performs
> better?
>
> bp
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> We moved to 450d and never looked back…
>>
>> From: Af  on behalf of Bill Prince <
>> part15...@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 4:46 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's
>>
>> For folks that are using the PMP450d (semi-integrated dish). It has about
>> the same gain as a small reflector with a stock PMP450 SM, but slightly
>> larger beamwidth 7° versus 6° for the RD. Do you find that it performs
>> about the same or a little better or worse?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>>> We still have about 50 of the regular 450 SMs 20MBit NIB, if anybody
>>> needs some.
>>> hit me offlist if you have a need
>>>
>>> Paul, PDMNet
>>> --
>>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of George Skorup [
>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 09, 2017 6:23 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's
>>>
>>> I'm sure at some point they'll cease production on the original 450 SM
>>> hardware, like they already have with the original 450 AP. At least 5GHz
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> On 6/9/2017 4:31 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>>>
>>> List on the integrated will be $299.  List on the one with the dish will
>>> be $349.  Standard discounts apply.
>>>
>>> The integrated version won't work with a reflector dish.
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>>> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> they can't un-cap the existing SM's because that wouldn't be fair to the
>>> people that paid for the upgrade keys it is going to be really
>>> interesting to see how they price the new 180/200 style 450 radio. If they
>>> make it too cheap then why would anyone buy the old style SM's anymore? A
>>> 450 5Ghz un-capped SM WISP price is $359.20. Personally in my opinion it
>>> needs to be about $300'ish, but that will put it cheaper than the existing
>>> un-capped 450. And $400.00 is too much because that's approaching 450i
>>> pricing which is much more rugged hardware. Sounds like they may have to
>>> lower the price of the existing product line, (un-likely). That would be a
>>> problem because there are a lot of WISPS with contract pricing for future
>>> SM purchases that will be pissed if the new SM is cheaper than what the
>>> already committed to. I really don't know, sounds like someone is going to
>>> have to make some hard decisions on how they price this stuff.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Free license keys? Yeah, not gonna happen.

 The 450d is a standard 5GHz 450 SM board, internal patch antenna and
 all, which simply feeds the horn/sub-reflector assembly.

 The new wideband 5GHz SMs as noted will do 4940-5925. Uncapped. Uses
 the 450i SoC architecture. GigE. 30VDC passive POE and is polarity agnostic
 like the Force180's and 200's.

 450b is Force180 style. I forget what the Force200 style 450 will be
 called.

 On 6/9/2017 1:37 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:

 So does this mean Cambium is going to release license keys to uncap all
 the existing expensive ridiculous costing 450d? What's the difference
 between a 450d and 450b?


 On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
 jeffl...@att.net> wrote:

> Hey Kurt,
>
> The first of the 450b units will hit in July.  Those are the
> integrated units that are built like the Force 180.  The ones that are
> similar to the Force 200 are supposed to be available in October.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Are you saying what I think you're saying here?

If so,  that really sucks.

On Jun 12, 2017 6:23 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> kernel panic
>
> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> apparently, God had other plans
>>
>> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Bruce Robertson  wrote:
>>
>>> If he has any income (especially earned) at all, then yes on the tax
>>> evasion.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/13/17 9:43 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>>
 Don't you wonder?   Is it?

 On 05/13/2017 07:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

> And he lives with continual exposure of prison due to tax evasion.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:05 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>
> Screwed by whose definition?  If he put all that money that he would
> have paid as taxes under his bed/cabin/lean-to, he may be way...  Way..
> WAY better off...
>
> On 05/12/2017 01:51 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
>
>> I believe that he is.
>>
>> On 5/12/17 1:44 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>>> That's right.  I remember that now because we had to go to a little
>>> extra effort to ensure my wife had 20 quarters, but then we learned
>>> she gets half my benefit if it is larger.  So it really was not an
>>> emergency after all.
>>>
>>> But for the undocumented guy in the woods, if he doesn't have 20
>>> quarters of contributions I wonder if he is screwed?
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Bruce Robertson
>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:41 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>>>
>>> No, you don't.  You have to contribute for at least 20 (if I
>>> remember)
>>> quarters to get benefits.  And many public employees, such as my wife
>>> (University professor) don't pay into social security at all - they
>>> have
>>> an alternative plan that has the same contribution requirements, but
>>> the
>>> money goes into your own mutual funds.
>>>
>>> On 5/12/17 1:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
 When it comes time to collect social security, they take your
 highest
 35 years of pay to do the calculation.  If you never put anything
 in,
 I wonder if you get any out?

 -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
 Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:53 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

 I've heard tell of a local man working in the construction trades
 who
 was born at home and has no documentation.  Apparently he likes it
 that
 way.  He works for cash and lives in a cabin on his parents' land.
 I'm
 not saying it's the right way, but it's apparently an option.



 -- Original Message --
 From: ch...@wbmfg.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: 5/12/2017 12:29:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

 Social Security didn't have any linkage with the county health
> department. We had to send the birth certificate to them to get the
> SSN number. Sometimes that was years later.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:28 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>
> I thought the ssn was assigned even if the card isn't sent...
>
> On 5/12/17 9:16 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> Yep, separate process.  At least back in the day when my kids were
>> born.
>>
>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 10:13 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>>
>> can you get a birth certificate without having to get the SSN
>> registered?
>>
>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>  wrote:
>>
>> 72,73,74
>>
>> On May 12, 2017 10:08 AM,  wrote:
>>
>> Until ICE deports them to Syria.
>>
>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 10:07 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>>
>> If your kid becomes un-documented and never gets a SSN can
>> they
>> just fly under the radar of society and never pay taxes,
>> get a
>> drivers license, etc? That would be awesome.
>>
>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 11:02 AM,