Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

[Matt Mangriotis]

I certainly hoped you filled in the survey!  This is good stuff.

Thanks,
Matt

From: Af  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

Because you have a few thousand 450 subs and don't wan't to have to stock your 
vans with something new.
Because you want to unload some of your sectors without re-installing 
customers, just a repoint.  Being able to move 20-30 subs off a sector to a 
micropop is huge.
Because you want consistency for your back office and support staff.
Because you need to pay a lineman to put it up on a pole above the Electrical 
space and don't want to touch it for 5-8 years. (I have no idea what ePMP 
reliability looks like but have had plenty FSK etc gear up for 10+ years)

For me, the perfect 450 micropop would be an omni 450M with Direct DC input, an 
SFP, a copper port, and an integrated GPS receiver.  1A 48V POE out would be 
nice too.  Something in the 1-1.5K price range to support 20-30 subs with a 
form factor like the A5-19.  I could power it and a Siklu with a two 48V runs 
up the pole, or just it with fiber and DC up the pole.


On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 10:47 PM, George Skorup 
mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a 450-based 
micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'.
On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
I would really like to get your opinions on this topic� would a 450 device 
like this help you in your network?
�
Now�s you chance to comment and help direct us!
�
Please fill out the short survey and add any other info you�d like.� It�s 
only 16 questions.
�
Matt
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Subject [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

[Matt Mangriotis]

Very good question George...

I am trying to gauge interest.  Some folks would prefer that they are using the 
same equipment throughout the network, and we don't really have an option right 
now for a lower priced (shorter range) but high throughput extension of the 
network, but still a 450.  Same SMs, etc...

Really wondering if many folks can't complete a certain percentage of installs 
due to obstructions (foliage) using 5 GHz, but could utilize an "under the 
canopy" type of solution to light up a neighborhood.  Is that a really common 
situation?  How common?

Any feedback is welcome, and I value your guys' opinions (more than some 
others)...

Matt

From: Af  On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a 450-based 
micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'.
On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
I would really like to get your opinions on this topic� would a 450 device 
like this help you in your network?
�
Now�s you chance to comment and help direct us!
�
Please fill out the short survey and add any other info you�d like.� It�s 
only 16 questions.
�
Matt
�
From: Af <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Ray 
Savich
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:08 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>' <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
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[AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

[Matt Mangriotis]

I would really like to get your opinions on this topic... would a 450 device 
like this help you in your network?

Now's you chance to comment and help direct us!

Please fill out the short survey and add any other info you'd like.  It's only 
16 questions.

Matt

From: Af  On Behalf Of Ray Savich
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:08 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

Add your input to the Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CambiumMicroPOP


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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Matt Mangriotis]

I see how you might say that… but we had established the SFP kits back in the 
PTP 650 days.  This was really because there were suspect-quality SFP modules 
floating around, and we wanted to ensure that water ingress (i.e. 
weatherproofing) was being done correctly when the fiber connections required 
extension from the body of the radio.

This will be changing in the near future in that we will start selling the 
extended gland separately (at a more reasonable price), and no longer require 
an “entitlement key” to enable the SFP port.  In the end, this means that you 
can buy your own SFP module and use it as you like.

Hope this might help change your view.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

Unfortunately, Cambium nickel and dimes you to use the SFP port.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> wrote:
The unique thing about the 450m is the SFP port.  The concept would be fiber to 
each radio for data,  and this box would be for power+sync.   It would include 
the GPS antenna in the box, etc.   Essentially you'd provide bulk power to this 
box, run a short CAT5 jumper to each radio for power/management, and a strand 
of fiber down the tower for management of it all.   That would get you 
management into each of the 450m's and power and sync.

For data, you'd put a SFP in each of the 450m's and run that down the tower via 
fiber.

At the bottom, you'd just have a fiber switch and a bulk power source.

This box would do double duty with small clusters of 450i.

On Feb 2, 2018 10:40 AM, "George Skorup" 
> wrote:
Could be fine for a tower-top DC+fiber fed injector(+sync)-switch. Same concept 
as the UBNT edge thing. Consider that something like this would need a 10G 
uplink if you're going to be powering and timing a 450m cluster. You're 
probably going to want at least 500Mbps to each sector. So only a 1G pipe up 
the tower isn't thinking towards the future. Something I think a product like 
this would need is an integrated voltage regulator. And wasn't something 
similar kicked around in the past? Instead of a switch, make it a multi port 
injector+sync with media conversion. A strand or pair per radio. Or even CWDM 
mux.
On 2/2/2018 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
and some of us hate switches in their network altogether.  :-)


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Re: [AFMUG] Powering a 450d SM via 24v, need polarity crossover?

[Matt Mangriotis]

We will continue to take orders for them through June.  We are doing everything 
we can (including implementing a 180 day EOL policy) to prepare customers for 
the transition…

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darren Shea
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 4:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a 450d SM via 24v, need polarity crossover?

Wow! Is that an “450d production stops as soon as the high-gain 450b is put 
into production”, or “they stopped making them already” situation?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a 450d SM via 24v, need polarity crossover?

FYI...the 450d is EOL. Announced earlier this week. Found this out while trying 
to order more.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 3:32 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
The 450d is a standard 450SM board. Canopy POE polarity only. So yes, you'll 
need to reverse the blues and browns at one end.

The 450b, Force180 and Force200 are all polarity agnostic.


On 2/2/2018 3:29 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
Is anyone else powering a 450d SM with a Netonix? I'm wondering if I need to 
reverse the polarity on the cable like we do with 450 SM and AP. Looking at the 
spec sheet it just says INPUT VOLTAGE 20 TO 32 V which makes me think it can 
take a straight thru cable.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium forums berserk?

[Matt Mangriotis]

You and I already know that Chuck… always a party!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 3:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium forums berserk?

Just send out an email blast to all your forum members that the party is here 
for the time being...

From: Matt Mangriotis
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 1:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium forums berserk?

It’s an “upgrade”… working through the kinks.  The forums got a new skin.  
Please be patient, and sorry for the inconvenience.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 2:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium forums berserk?

Yeah, looks like the whole site is all screwed up.
On 11/8/2017 2:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro/Microtik-Routerboard-DHCP-configuration-for-onboarding-devices/m-p/56012#M26<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.cambiumnetworks.com%2Ft5%2FcnMaestro%2FMicrotik-Routerboard-DHCP-configuration-for-onboarding-devices%2Fm-p%2F56012%23M26=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C042ca8a8c65c4e7c99a608d526e74621%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C1%7C0%7C636457697121429687=4v1RGplul2ZGybpa1ma6Hf9Ky2VWqthslwKBpbCRC%2Bg%3D=0>

Looks all squashed to me on IE and Chrome.  Anyone else having this issue?  
Anyone at Cambium know anything?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium forums berserk?

[Matt Mangriotis]

It’s an “upgrade”… working through the kinks.  The forums got a new skin.  
Please be patient, and sorry for the inconvenience.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 2:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium forums berserk?

Yeah, looks like the whole site is all screwed up.
On 11/8/2017 2:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro/Microtik-Routerboard-DHCP-configuration-for-onboarding-devices/m-p/56012#M26

Looks all squashed to me on IE and Chrome.  Anyone else having this issue?  
Anyone at Cambium know anything?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] 450i or alternative

[Matt Mangriotis]

This is correct. ePMP is not certified for 4.9 GHz operation in the US.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 11:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i or alternative

I asked if ePMP could do 4.9 for some public safety stuff we were working on 
and was told no.
On 8/25/2017 9:58 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Yea, AF won't do the whole band whle the Cambium stuff does. Either Force 200 
or 450i covers 4.9 through 5. Handy.

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 9:54 AM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
AirFiber 4.9GHz radio

On Aug 25, 2017 9:42 AM, > wrote:
AF-4X ?


Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag 
von Dave
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. August 2017 16:37
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450i or alternative

Also, Worth looking at just the epmp1000 connectorized and use your own 
antennas.
use force 180's for the clients.

On 08/23/2017 07:15 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I am putting up a link for a library and I originally quoted the 450i about a 
year ago. This link goes to a Sheriff's department so could use 4.9G so I would 
like the product to at least be capable of that band. GPS sync would be nice as 
they have plans for another link in the future.


  1.  Is the 450i still having the water penetration issue?
  2.  Is there a better Cambium product out there at or around the same price 
point? Say...no more than double?

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Re: [AFMUG] 450M SFPs

[Matt Mangriotis]

Further to 1) … I couldn’t find any information on BIDA.  However, if you mean 
BIDI Simplex, then we don’t currently support this, but have plans to add this 
support (via software) in the near future.  I don’t yet have a release this 
support is targeted for, but it will be on the roadmap once we do.

Hope this helps.

Matt


Carl –


1)  Not sure on this… I have asked engineering about support for BIDA 
module (not BIDI?), and will post an answer when I get one…

2)  Yes, there is an “extended” gland that comes with the kit.  The kit 
consists of three parts: the SFP module itself, the extended gland, and the 
entitlement key to apply the license to the radio.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 9:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450M SFPs

1) I know you need to buy cambiums SFPs to get the license to unlock the SFP 
port on the 450M, but once the license is applied, is there any limitation as 
to what SFPs you can run?  Would much prefer to use BIDA so we can just run 
clearshield simlex with SC SOCs on it and so we don't have to waste fiber.  Has 
anyone tested other SFPs in it and have any not worked?

2) The SFP cage is flush with the exterior of the case and has very little 
space in the antenna side of the cage so you can't screw the cambium gland in 
whith an SFP installed.  Does the SFP kit come with a special gland with room 
for the SFP and connector?

Re: [AFMUG] 450M SFPs

[Matt Mangriotis]

Carl –


1)  Not sure on this… I have asked engineering about support for BIDA 
module (not BIDI?), and will post an answer when I get one…

2)  Yes, there is an “extended” gland that comes with the kit.  The kit 
consists of three parts: the SFP module itself, the extended gland, and the 
entitlement key to apply the license to the radio.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 9:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450M SFPs

1) I know you need to buy cambiums SFPs to get the license to unlock the SFP 
port on the 450M, but once the license is applied, is there any limitation as 
to what SFPs you can run?  Would much prefer to use BIDA so we can just run 
clearshield simlex with SC SOCs on it and so we don't have to waste fiber.  Has 
anyone tested other SFPs in it and have any not worked?

2) The SFP cage is flush with the exterior of the case and has very little 
space in the antenna side of the cage so you can't screw the cambium gland in 
whith an SFP installed.  Does the SFP kit come with a special gland with room 
for the SFP and connector?

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b specifications

[Matt Mangriotis]

We love ALL of our children!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 2:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b specifications

Ouch! Lol

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh 
Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:22 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b specifications

EPMP team showing the PMP450 guys how it's done *flex*


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373




Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
<jeffl...@att.net<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> wrote:
First one will look a lot like the Force 180.  List is $299.  Full band, full 
speed.

Second one will look like the Force 200 (scheduled for October).  List is $349 
IIRC.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519<tel:(312)%20205-2519> Office
574-220-7826<tel:(574)%20220-7826> Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com<mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
What is the 450b?

On 7/28/17, 12:55 PM, "Af on behalf of Matt Mangriotis"
<af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of 
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
wrote:

>Joe - I just answered your forum post... but might as well repeat and add
>to it here too.
>
>You guys are right in that the combination of the two factors are what
>matters to the modulation that the radio will achieve.  You have to be
>above a certain absolute power level (RSL), but ALSO have enough distance
>(SNR) above the noise to decipher the bits.  That is, even if you're
>receiving the intended signal at -55, but have noise at -70, the 15 dB
>separation (i.e. SNR) isn't enough to allow for 256QAM modulation.
>
>Regarding sensitivity levels, the easiest place for me to find these is
>in the Link Capacity Planner Tool:
>https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/capacityplanner/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.cambiumnetworks.com%2Ffiles%2Fcapacityplanner%2F=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C13dfe165df294955425808d4d5eb791b%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C1%7C0%7C636368654723361813=OZjdEgdNOlKSuSNP261i82pkSU28heLFmo3IIyHE0NE%3D=0>
>
>You can input the radios you're using and it'll spit those out.
>
>During final product testing, we've determined that the 450b is
>equivalent to the 450i SM in these specifications, so until that tool
>gets updated with official numbers (which may vary slightly), I would use
>that.
>
>Hope this helps,
>Matt
>
>



Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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-Original Message-
>From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi
>Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 11:49 AM
>To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b specifications
>
>Sure it would.  We have some links reporting a SNR above 32db, enough to
>get 8x but are weaker than -56 signals.  So both matter.
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>> On Jul 28, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Chris Wright 
>> <ch...@velociter.net<mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Wouldn't SNR play a bigger role than general signal level? What good is
>>-67.8dBm if the noise floor is -75dBm?
>>
>> Chris Wright
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi
>> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 9:28 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b specifications
>>
>> We¹re looking at some questions of why certain links are at certain
>>modulations (uplink is better than downlink).  It¹s explained by the
>>spec sheet of the current equipment and RX sensitivity.  Basically the
>>450M AP can do more with less signal than the CPE can.  Specs below.  In
>>any case we were then wondering what the new 450b RX sensitivity would
>>be.  There is a spec sheet on the Cambium website but this isn¹t listed.
>> Anyone have this information?
>>
>> 450M AP RX sensitivity
>> 1x = - 93.5 dBm
>> 2x = -88.6 dBm
>> 4x = -81.5 dBm
>> 6x = -75.9.0 dBm
>> 8x = -67.8 dBm
>>
>> 450SM RX sensitivity
>> 1x = -84 dBm
>> 2x = -80.5 dBm
>> 4x = -74 dBm
>> 6x = -66.9 dBm
>> 8x = -56 dBm
>>
>> 450i SM RX sensitivity
>> 1x = -85.9 dBm
>> 2x = -81.5 dBm
>> 4x = -75.8 dBm
>> 6x = -69.3 dBm
>> 8x = -61.6 dBm
>>
>> Joe Falaschi
>> e-vergent
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b specifications

[Matt Mangriotis]

Joe - I just answered your forum post... but might as well repeat and add to it 
here too.

You guys are right in that the combination of the two factors are what matters 
to the modulation that the radio will achieve.  You have to be above a certain 
absolute power level (RSL), but ALSO have enough distance (SNR) above the noise 
to decipher the bits.  That is, even if you're receiving the intended signal at 
-55, but have noise at -70, the 15 dB separation (i.e. SNR) isn't enough to 
allow for 256QAM modulation.

Regarding sensitivity levels, the easiest place for me to find these is in the 
Link Capacity Planner Tool: 
https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/capacityplanner/

You can input the radios you're using and it'll spit those out.

During final product testing, we've determined that the 450b is equivalent to 
the 450i SM in these specifications, so until that tool gets updated with 
official numbers (which may vary slightly), I would use that.

Hope this helps,
Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b specifications

Sure it would.  We have some links reporting a SNR above 32db, enough to get 8x 
but are weaker than -56 signals.  So both matter.

Joe



> On Jul 28, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Chris Wright  wrote:
> 
> Wouldn't SNR play a bigger role than general signal level? What good is 
> -67.8dBm if the noise floor is -75dBm?
> 
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 9:28 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b specifications
> 
> We’re looking at some questions of why certain links are at certain 
> modulations (uplink is better than downlink).  It’s explained by the spec 
> sheet of the current equipment and RX sensitivity.  Basically the 450M AP can 
> do more with less signal than the CPE can.  Specs below.  In any case we were 
> then wondering what the new 450b RX sensitivity would be.  There is a spec 
> sheet on the Cambium website but this isn’t listed.  Anyone have this 
> information?
> 
> 450M AP RX sensitivity
> 1x = - 93.5 dBm
> 2x = -88.6 dBm
> 4x = -81.5 dBm
> 6x = -75.9.0 dBm
> 8x = -67.8 dBm
> 
> 450SM RX sensitivity
> 1x = -84 dBm
> 2x = -80.5 dBm
> 4x = -74 dBm
> 6x = -66.9 dBm
> 8x = -56 dBm
> 
> 450i SM RX sensitivity
> 1x = -85.9 dBm
> 2x = -81.5 dBm
> 4x = -75.8 dBm
> 6x = -69.3 dBm
> 8x = -61.6 dBm
> 
> Joe Falaschi
> e-vergent
> 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450M: is there any indication of "sub-sector"

[Matt Mangriotis]

Sorry, Bill, all,

I was traveling last week, and just saw this one…

You may have read that this information is reported on the ePMP2000 system.  
The reason is that that system is a bit limited in the combination of 
sub-sectors that can be created.

On 450m, however, there are no “fixed” sub-sectors, and the beam steering 
capabilities are nearly infinite as far as where these sub-sectors are created 
in relation to the azimuth.  That said, a good way to tell how well your sector 
is performing is to run the “Link Test with Multiple VCs”.  This will flood the 
sector will traffic and report back a chart that shows how often SMs are able 
to be grouped together for transmission, as well as give a total potential 
throughput.

This is assuming that all SMs require data to be sent to them all the time, 
which may not be the case in actual operation, so your “real” results may not 
be the same.

There are some forum posts that discuss this, and make for better understanding 
of what we report and how you can use these statistics to optimize the 
performance.  
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/PMP450M-Grouping-Question/td-p/61580/highlight/true/page/2

Also, please try out the 15.1.1 beta load that was released Friday.  See the 
release notes.  We added more statistics that will hopefully help make it 
easier to better optimize the system.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450M: is there any indication of "sub-sector"


It would also help finding out if any of the sub-sectors are getting 
overloaded; and which subscribers are contributing.

bp




On 6/24/2017 7:05 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

That tells us what it should be, it doesn't help us with what is.

bp




On 6/24/2017 7:04 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
I don't know the technical answer Bill, but I know that you can get a very good 
idea of the loading using LinkPlanner.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Jun 24, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:

It's essential to know if you want to know if you're filling the entire 
coverage area or not, and if you have a too-high population of subs in any 
particular area. It would also indicate whether your sector is properly aimed.



bp




On 6/24/2017 6:50 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Why would you want to know this information anyway?

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
Maybe a different way to say this is which beam? Since subs can be on any o 7 
"beams", it would be nice to know which subscriber is on which beam. Well, not 
exactly nice; more of a necessity.

If we can't see it now, perhaps it's on the roadmap?

-bp


On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
I thought I had read somewhere about a way to determine which subsector a 
subscriber is in, but now I can't find it. Maybe I was dreaming or something?
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com



--
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators - Integrated 450i Sector

[Matt Mangriotis]

Same thing in 3 GHz is also available, C030045A002A.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 4:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators - Integrated 450i Sector

Slide didn't come though. Picture the new ePMP 2000 sector antenna with a 450i 
AP turned backwards and mounted directly on the back of the sector. It's hawt. 
I want 3GHz too, Matt!
On 5/5/2017 9:42 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
I want to make sure everyone has the correct information on this topic.

Darin - It was true that when it was first launched, and we had the 90 degree 
Mars sector antenna, the front-to-back of that antenna was not good enough to 
do frequency re-use.

However, the current shipping integrated Access Points (part numbers ending in 
“B”, e.g. C050045A006B) have a Cambium Networks-designed antenna attached (more 
like a standard tall and narrow sector, rather than a 14” square flat panel).  
This antenna was built with frequency re-use in mind, and is optimized for use 
with the 450i platform.  It is a true 90 degree sector, and eliminates the need 
for jumper cables as George mentions.

I have attached a slide highlighting this (if it comes through).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators

Be careful with the integrated 450i though as the FTB isn't good enough for gps 
sync according to cambium.
On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:00 AM George Skorup 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
Accuracy. Known-good connectorized SMs to verify multiple APs in 3 and
5GHz. Coaxes and attenuators only. I've used antennas and bare SMs
pointed up at the ceiling and it's just not reliable. We ended up
redeploying an old AP that apparently has bad Tx on one polarity. Really
trying to cut down on the BS and multiple tower climbs. Also getting
really sick of weather-seals leaking for no apparent reason. Which is
another reason I'm not so mad about the 450AP going away. We'll probably
just start using that fancy new 450i integrated 90 over time. No coaxes
to worry about with that.

On 5/4/2017 7:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Yes.
> But is there a reason you don't want to use the paper clip trick?
> Single piece of wire quarter wavelength is all  you need.
>
> -Original Message- From: George Skorup
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 5:54 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
>
> So... I'm having bad luck finding 60dB attenuators in DC-6GHz or
> greater. I found some 50's, but they're only 4GHz. WTF.
>
> Stupid question. Can I stack 30's to get 60? I see lots of N to N in
> 30dB on Amazon. Up to 1W mostly. Looks like for cellular amp/repeater
> type stuff. So I assume they won't have a problem with bi-directional Tx.
>
> On 5/4/2017 5:33 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>> 60 dB pads are what we typically use internally...
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of George Skorup
>> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:31 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
>>
>> I need to RF test some 450 APs with connectorized SMs. What's a good
>> option for N to N attenuators? I'm thinking I want like 60dB so
>> there's no chance of the SM overloading the AP Rx (because SM Tx
>> power control doesn't kick in for a few minutes).
>
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Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators - Integrated 450i Sector

[Matt Mangriotis]

I want to make sure everyone has the correct information on this topic.

Darin - It was true that when it was first launched, and we had the 90 degree 
Mars sector antenna, the front-to-back of that antenna was not good enough to 
do frequency re-use.

However, the current shipping integrated Access Points (part numbers ending in 
“B”, e.g. C050045A006B) have a Cambium Networks-designed antenna attached (more 
like a standard tall and narrow sector, rather than a 14” square flat panel).  
This antenna was built with frequency re-use in mind, and is optimized for use 
with the 450i platform.  It is a true 90 degree sector, and eliminates the need 
for jumper cables as George mentions.

I have attached a slide highlighting this (if it comes through).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators

Be careful with the integrated 450i though as the FTB isn't good enough for gps 
sync according to cambium.
On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:00 AM George Skorup 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
Accuracy. Known-good connectorized SMs to verify multiple APs in 3 and
5GHz. Coaxes and attenuators only. I've used antennas and bare SMs
pointed up at the ceiling and it's just not reliable. We ended up
redeploying an old AP that apparently has bad Tx on one polarity. Really
trying to cut down on the BS and multiple tower climbs. Also getting
really sick of weather-seals leaking for no apparent reason. Which is
another reason I'm not so mad about the 450AP going away. We'll probably
just start using that fancy new 450i integrated 90 over time. No coaxes
to worry about with that.

On 5/4/2017 7:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Yes.
> But is there a reason you don't want to use the paper clip trick?
> Single piece of wire quarter wavelength is all  you need.
>
> -Original Message- From: George Skorup
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 5:54 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
>
> So... I'm having bad luck finding 60dB attenuators in DC-6GHz or
> greater. I found some 50's, but they're only 4GHz. WTF.
>
> Stupid question. Can I stack 30's to get 60? I see lots of N to N in
> 30dB on Amazon. Up to 1W mostly. Looks like for cellular amp/repeater
> type stuff. So I assume they won't have a problem with bi-directional Tx.
>
> On 5/4/2017 5:33 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>> 60 dB pads are what we typically use internally...
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of George Skorup
>> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:31 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
>>
>> I need to RF test some 450 APs with connectorized SMs. What's a good
>> option for N to N attenuators? I'm thinking I want like 60dB so
>> there's no chance of the SM overloading the AP Rx (because SM Tx
>> power control doesn't kick in for a few minutes).
>
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Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators

[Matt Mangriotis]

60 dB pads are what we typically use internally...

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] RF attenuators

I need to RF test some 450 APs with connectorized SMs. What's a good option for 
N to N attenuators? I'm thinking I want like 60dB so there's no chance of the 
SM overloading the AP Rx (because SM Tx power control doesn't kick in for a few 
minutes).

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

[Matt Mangriotis]

Regarding the timing port, it’s just a wiring change to the RJ-45 connector.

You can see this explained here: 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Cable-Diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-UGPS/m-p/52198#U52198

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:45 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

Yeah, 48v instead of 24v... 450i still uses the normal sync over power (it's 
the 450m that changed that), but they did replace the old timing port with the 
rj45 aux port, so I'm not sure what needs to be done to make timing port stuff 
work.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
the i series has a different power plant and sync mechanism doesnt it?

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:01 AM, > wrote:
I wonder when this will happen.  Like to schedule the 450 stinger to be 
discontinued at the same time.

From: David Milholen
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 6:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?


replace your 450s with 450i or m.. 450i Is approx same price point as 450 in AP 
world



On 5/1/2017 12:01 PM, George Skorup wrote:
FYI, I heard today that the regular 450 APs are no longer available, at least 
in 5GHz. So be prepared. We lost some 450 and 450i APs over the nice stormy 
weekend. I hate my life.

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Re: [AFMUG] Windows Server 2016 NPS / RADIUS

[Matt Mangriotis]

George, Jon, et al,

Give R15.1 a try.  We have separated the login from the 
accounting/authentication in the latest version of software.  We’d appreciate 
feedback on this feature if you give it a whirl.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Bruce
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 7:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windows Server 2016 NPS / RADIUS

+1

That's exactly what we're doing. It'll make things easier for when they fire 
me, just need to change the AD password.


On 4/23/2017 6:02 PM, George Skorup wrote:
That's precisely why I asked Cambium to allow us to split up AAA. Off-net/cloud 
hosted billing for SM auth & acct. On-net servers for GUI/telnet user 
management, and if you already have domain controllers in place, it's not a bad 
option for this piece.
On 4/23/2017 4:36 PM, Jon Bruce wrote:
I'm a Linux guy myself and prefer FreeRADIUS but have been instructed to use 
NPS (RADIUS on a DC).

That being said, my only real interest during this phase of the project is 
AP/SM login and not auth (that's taken care of by a different system right now) 
and I see that the upcoming firmware version supports these separately, so that 
is a perfect solution for me.
On 4/23/2017 4:23 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Curious why you want to run Radius on Windows? It's not that I'm anti-windows, 
we run a lot of stuff on 2012 Servers, but radius is not one of them. Sure you 
can do it, but you could be up and running with a linux box and radius in no 
time at all. It's a lot easier than having to install freeradius/mysql on 
windows or using some other like MS.

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Jon Bruce 
> wrote:
Is anyone running Canopy with RADIUS?  Specifically with Server 2016?

I've been reading this guide: 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-Beta/PMP-13-4-Microsoft-RADIUS-Support-Feature-Brief/m-p/40460
 however am confused about the cert part at "Import Certificate".

Any guidance would be very much appreciated. I've used RADIUS before but never 
on Windows.

Also, under "User Authentication" the link in step 1 is broken, and I'm certain 
I'll get stuck there as well.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 900MHz Sector

[Matt Mangriotis]

Did you ask Cambium?? :)

I sent you email offlist.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 5:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 900MHz Sector

Does anyone know who makes the Cambium 900MHz 450 sector antenna?

I'm looking for the pattern file.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 900mhz SM RP-SMA connectors nut torque

[Matt Mangriotis]

On assembly, the specified torque is 1 +- 0.25 Nm.  Sorry for the delay on 
this... traveling this week.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 6:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 900mhz SM RP-SMA connectors nut torque

Same with the ePMP SMA nuts that come slightly loose out of the box some times. 
I just tighten them with my fingernails a little bit. Enough to compress the 
little red gasket washer thing a bit.

On 2/28/2017 6:04 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
> The PMP450 900mhz SM has the connectors on top of the radio, which 
> worries me in terms of water ingress (can't really rubber tape the 
> connector-case area)
>
> One the first SM I tried, the nuts that tighten the weatherproofing 
> were a bit loose - does anyone know how tight to put them? Don't want 
> it too tight that it breaks solder on the connections after a few 
> years of temperature cycling.

Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

[Matt Mangriotis]

I would suggest trying it.  The 450m also has 5-6 dB better uplink sensitivity. 
 When you add the uplink beamforming gains to this, you'll see uplink 
modulation improvements in nearly all the SMs on the sector.  Others can chime 
in with their experiences, but there's enough evidence of this, that I am 
confident in it.

Matt (@CambiumMatt)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 2:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

> IIRC, the 450m does not have the active filter like the 450i. They are 
> instead relying on the beam-steering to combat the noise.

That's a bit disappointing.  We have sites that have PTP450 backhauls and 
PMP450 AP's in 5 ghz band on same tower.

Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

[Matt Mangriotis]

Thanks for the kudos Tushar, and thanks for sharing the news about your 
network.  We appreciate you taking the time to do this.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 1:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

Eric,

We have one site where competitor is less then 200 feet from one of our tower 
and frequency coordinate was issue. It has been resolved for some time now but 
we just put 450m on that tower replacing the 450. We saw significant 
improvements on signal to noise ratio, 4 to 6 dB.  So by putting 450m you may 
improve some of your connections from 2x to 4x, if it is due to noise.

450m performance update:

Yesterday we decided to load up one 450m from 80 customers to 113. We saw max 
throughput jump from 65 meg (5 min average) to 95 meg 5 min average. I was 
watching the peaks on router port and it was going all the way to 130 meg.

So 450m is performing really well at least on one of our deployments.

Kudos to Cambium on the product. Very encouraging. Keep up the good work Matt 
and his team.

Tushar


On Jan 20, 2017, at 1:21 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
Sean,

We are about half 5.4 and half 5.8. You need you to understand that in this 
particular case we have about 20+ AP's crammed in a town about 2.5 square miles 
along with two other wireless internet providers. The frequency coordination 
and high noise floor is the primary reason for 1x and 2x connections. On top of 
that we have around 3k subscribers and 30 roaming combination techs installing 
CPE all across western Kansas. You may have complete oversight of where and 
when you install customers... I simply do not have that luxury. I preach the 
importance of quality installs constantly, but between their supervisors, 
marketing teams and pressure from customers, they install what they feel 
comfortable. The install tech has full discretion, for better or for worse. In 
the face of all this, 2x subs sometimes get installed. I understand fully that 
we made our own bed here. It is what it is. This is why I say "in a perfect 
world".

As I said before, we truck-rolled our entire customer base for those who have 
poor/marginal signals. We made significant improvements but only gained very 
little in capacity for our efforts. In hindsight, it cost us more than we 
gained. Hence the reason I ask if 450i has any significant improvements over 
vanilla 450.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
eric are any of your APs using the 5.4 band?

you could put up some additional APs in the 5.4 band and migrate the close-in 
clients to them to provide more capacity.

-sean


On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
In a perfect world.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
You shouldn't be putting any clients on a 450AP with less than 4x connections, 
when they start pulling a lot of traffic they significantly choke the AP. 
Whoever engineered those links needs slapped. I know it probably  looked like a 
good idea at the time to add a new customer but a couple low signal clients 
really affect total AP capacity. You could probably pull all the 1x and 2x 
clients and replace them with 10 times more customers running at 8x mnodulatio 
n and maintain the same utilization rates on that AP.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
> wrote:
Remember that even a couple of sms runing at 2x or 4x will kill your peak 
performance if they are the ones that are usually streaming.  We are very 
careful on what aps we put low signals on and we control what plans we offer as 
well based on signal strength. I just can not have a 2x customer want a 10mb 
plan.  I do think that a 450i will definitely help with uplink interference 
like others have said. But i think your best bet is to drop the cash and put 
some 450m up on that tower.  Sounds like that is a cash cow tower like my main 
tower is.


From: Af > on behalf of Jon 
Langeler >
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:18:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

Put a Mikrotik behind an SM and speed test to the internet

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jan 19, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Brian Sullivan 
> > wrote:
>
> I would check out page 9-51 in the PMP 450x Configuration and User Guide 
> 15.0.2
>
>> On 1/19/2017 11:37 AM, Tushar Patel wrote:
>> So how can we tell when we are really saturating the connection?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 can signal be too hot?

[Matt Mangriotis]

You using some kind of voice-to-text thing there Lewis?

(And were you eating several marbles while saying that last one?)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 2:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 can signal be too hot?


Dammit

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016, 2:08 PM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:

I dobby know where I got it but I Jane always used. -45.  Maybe that comes from 
running BER on a P25 radio at 9600 baud.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016, 1:55 PM Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
I am sure you can get to the point where the receive amp or mixer runs out of 
head room, but I would think it would be much hotter than –55 dBm.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 can signal be too hot?

I know there is ATPC to limit the rcv power at the AP, but what about at the 
SM?  Has anyone heard of a max acceptable rcv signal?  Would -55 be too hot?

(With FSK we got used to the idea the signal could never be too hot, because 
what mattered was the zero crossings.)

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 can signal be too hot?

[Matt Mangriotis]

Anything stronger than -40 dBm can potentially cause damage to the receiver.

>From a performance standpoint, you want something less than -45 dBm.  Anything 
>higher can cause some degradation in performance.

-55 dBm is a perfectly acceptable target level.  In fact, sometimes, you'll 
want to set the target slightly higher (like -52 dBm) to overcome higher noise 
levels.

Matt


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 1:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 can signal be too hot?

I know there is ATPC to limit the rcv power at the AP, but what about at the 
SM?  Has anyone heard of a max acceptable rcv signal?  Would -55 be too hot?

(With FSK we got used to the idea the signal could never be too hot, because 
what mattered was the zero crossings.)

[AFMUG] 450m Pictures Needed

[Matt Mangriotis]

Now that folks are getting their 450m APs and starting to deploy them, I would 
really love to get some high resolution images of cnMedusa in the field.  You 
can send them directly to me or post them in our forum.

Pictures that we can use will get a shirt and/or hat sent back...

Thanks!
Matt

m...@cambiumnetworks.com

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

[Matt Mangriotis]

Yes, there is a new method of Sync-Over-Power for precisely the reasons you 
guys have highlighted (i.e. increased consumption on the 450m).  This method is 
being used for 450m (and is supported also by 450i).

The CMM5 supports this method of sync-over-power.

We are pursuing IEEE-1588v2 as a roadmap feature on the 450i and 450m as well.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 1:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

So.. is "Cambium Sync" still a power interruption scheme or something 
completely new? I thought the thing they were going to move to was 1588v2?
On 11/15/2016 1:26 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

I guess I need to be more clear on this. ..

There are two types of sync over power.

The first is being called Canopy sync,  which is compatible  with the 450i and 
earlier radios.

The second is being called Cambium sync and is compatible with the 450M and I'm 
guessing later radios.

Currently there are devices that produce the cambium sync pulse...  The CMM5 
and I'm about 100% certain that Last Mile Gear has one as well.   I have the 
technical information I need,  just haven't had a chance to get the circuit 
designed (I only received it shortly before wispapalooza), let alone tested.

On Nov 14, 2016 7:52 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
> wrote:

No,  Cambium elected  to drop the traditional sync over power on the 450M.

So,  you either need to use timing port sync (via the aux port) or use what 
they're calling cambium sync.

The 1U injector is very close.  I need to finish validation on the latest board 
revisions and then will be releasing it to production assuming there isn't some 
showstopper I missed.

On Nov 14, 2016 7:34 PM, "Matt" 
> wrote:
Shouldn't the sync over power for the 450M be the same as PMP450i?

How is the 1u sync injector coming?


On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> wrote:
> All of the currently shipping syncbox product line are compatible.  For sync
> over power, I have the specs, but the design isn't done yet.
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2016 5:40 PM, "Sam Lambie" 
> > wrote:
>>
>> A question for Forrest mostly. Have you come up with a timing product for
>> the 450m AP yet? If not, have you got a timeline for release?
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Sam Lambie
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] 450i sync on AUX port?

[Matt Mangriotis]

Yes, you can do this.

However, it requires you to split the cable per this post on our forum:  
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Cable-Diagram-for-450i-to-remote-450i-AP-and-also-pass-1-PPS/m-p/53997#U53997

(The reason for this is that the first 450i AP cannot do “sync-over-power”, but 
does provide the 1PPS pulse to the 2nd AP’s AUX port.  Note that the 2nd AP 
will be limited to FE.)

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 9:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450i sync on AUX port?

Does anyone know if a PMP450i access point that is receiving sync on the 
Ethernet port will pass sync to another PMP450i AP that is getting power on the 
AUX port from the 1st AP?

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

[Matt Mangriotis]

I will say that we have a [very large] customer that will remain nameless, 
which has ~1100 active customers across more than 12 sectors of 450m.  They are 
very pleased with the performance.

There are several others that are putting up their first sectors now as well.  
If you run into issues, we are escalating support cases to our team that has a 
lot of experience in deploying this model.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonse_and_Gaston#/media/File:Alphonsegaston.jpg


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m

Our first 450m should arrive this week.  We plan to replace an existing 450 AP 
that has 66 customers for our first deployment.

However, I do not want to do this until I have heard that there are some 
installed and working.

Does anyone have 450m up and running.  Would you please share your experiences 
and results.

Thanks

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro

[Matt Mangriotis]

There are a few threads where folks are reporting something that sounds similar:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro-Beta/PMP450-Devices-Reporting-Offline/m-p/60838#U60838

I don’t have any updates, but the cnMaestro team is working it.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro

reviving an old topic, but today a bunch of ours showed offline, when logged 
into the units they say invalid serial number, going to configure-system and 
re-adding the onboarding info brings them up, we recently brought everything to 
3.01 is this a known bug

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Christopher Tyler 
> wrote:
Cool, thanks for the info.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:39:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro

Probably have to go to the forum for any assistance, that's where I'd go
for this.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Christopher Tyler 

> wrote:

> The ePMP was previously onboarded but showing down for some reason, it's
> now showing as up. It only took about 20 minutes for it's status to change
> for some reason.
> The routers won't onboard at all, just shows as being "Queued" and have
> been in that state for the last 20 minutes.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:22:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro
>
> I haven't got any 3.0 units on cnMaestro, did you confirm that's working
> with others?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Christopher Tyler <
> ch...@totalhighspeed.net
> > wrote:
>
> > Everything running latest.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Tyler
> > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> > Total Highspeed Internet Services
> > 417.851.1107
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > >
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:17:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro
> >
> > Running minimum versions?
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Christopher Tyler <
> > ch...@totalhighspeed.net
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone else having issues this morning onboarding devices to cnMaestro?
> > > I have a couple of routers and an ePMP radio that all show down even
> > > though they are all up and accessible.
> > > Just want to know if it's me or if I should be calling Cambium to tell
> > > them to fix their server.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Christopher Tyler
> > > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> > > Total Highspeed Internet Services
> > > 417.851.1107
> > >
> > >
> >
>



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

[Matt Mangriotis]

The integrated 450i sector antenna does indeed have a 2 degree electrical 
downtilt.  As noted below, it does have tremendous null-fill, as well as 
optimized Front-to-back isolation to allow frequency re-use patterns.

Yes, this downtilt is a departure from our OEM antennas.  This should appear in 
the spec sheet. I will update it so that it is clearly called out, as it is 
different.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

That is exactly what I saw.

Also when using it in link planner it is showing optimum throughput for our 
current subscribers setting at 3 degrees up tilt.
If old panel is used in Link Planner it shows -1 degrees down tilt.

So I am guessing -4 electrical down tilt.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

The pattern on the spec sheet would lead you to believe yes, which is a 
departure for Cambium.  It also shows null fill.  I don't see a downtilt number 
on the spec sheet though.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

Does this new 90 degree integrated sector have built in down tilt?

Thanks

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end of 
the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B.  You want the on in the attached 
Spec Sheet.

The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated model 
and the Cambium 5GHz sector.  The feedback I've heard has been mostly positive, 
although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX power by 
playing with the antenna gain settings.  So if your overdriving your gear - it 
might not be a good investment.

Daniel White
Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

That is the type of information I need.  I was not aware the specs on the 
intergraded were poor.  We have never been very happy with the performance of 
the 85009324001.  That begs the question.  What 90 degree antenna is giving 
great results?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

Why would you do that?  I thought the integrated was more of a convenience 
thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance.

You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are 
wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels.
Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B 
performance if that's what you  are looking for.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 
450i Integrated?

I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of 
performance improvement?

Thanks

Adam

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sender.]

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[AFMUG] cnMedusa is Legal (and shipping!)

[Matt Mangriotis]

The PMP 450m was issued a grant today.  This is the first commercially 
available Multi-User MIMO product in 5 GHz!

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY=500_code=_id=gR2HF80%2FF77q7CNU2n2zSw%3D%3D_id=QWP-50450M

Hopefully, those that have placed orders will be seeing them very soon.

(Is Gino on holiday??? He usually takes care of these things...)

Matt Mangriotis
Senior Product Manager
Cambium Networks
3800 Golf Road, Suite 360
Rolling Meadows, IL 60008

www.cambiumnetworks.com<http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/>
O: 847-439-6379
M: 630-308-9394
E: m...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:m...@cambiumnetworks.com>
[cid:image001.jpg@01D151D7.6F165C90]

[AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Cambium Networks

[Matt Mangriotis]

Cambium Networks would love to hear from you if you have any interested in the 
900 MHz band at all...

It's a VERY SHORT survey that should take no more than 5 minutes to complete.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CWWGQV9

I'd really appreciate your feedback.

Thanks,
Matt

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 430 Trade in program

[Matt Mangriotis]

It’s for PMP 450 and PMP 430 Access Points only.

You trade in an AP for $400 credit toward purchase of a 450i AP.

You cannot stack them (i.e. trade in multiple APs to combine the credit toward 
a single 450i AP).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 3:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 430 Trade in program

Anyone have info on this?  i.e what sort of trade in credit they are giving, is 
it only 430 APs and not SMs?  Can you trade in multiple 430 APs for credit on a 
single 450i? etc
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/news-events/450i-trade-up/

Re: [AFMUG] 430 Series - 5.4 vs 5.7

[Matt Mangriotis]

Assuming you're operating in FCC-regulated areas, then yes, 5.4 is regulated by 
different rules than 5.7 GHz.

The maximum EIRP in 5.4 GHz is 30 dBm, where it's 36 dBm in 5.7 GHz.  Also, 
equipment operating in 5.4 GHz must have DFS enabled to detect radar signatures 
and energy.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Marshall
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 430 Series - 5.4 vs 5.7

Hi,


On the 430 series, does the 5.4 frequency have limitations as far as power vs 
the 5.7 frequencies?

Thanks,
Justin

Re: [AFMUG] 802.3at Switch for PMP450i

[Matt Mangriotis]

For clarification:

1090CKHH is CMM4 in the outdoor cabinet with included EtherWAN switch
1091HH is the same CMM4 in the outdoor cabinet, but without the switch
1092HH is the rackmount version (i.e. no cabinet) of the CMM4, also without the 
switch

All of them can support both 56 and 30 VDC power to different Cambium radios.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 802.3at Switch for PMP450i

Sure looks like it, but the 1091HH does not have a switch

https://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/CMM4_Specs.pdf


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Matt 
> wrote:
> Mikrotik rb2011 + Packetflux gig SyncInjector

What I am currently using.  Takes up to much space for this site.

Just remembered, standard switch won't output sync, brain took Friday
off.  Does the "Cambium 1091HH" support 48 and 24 volt gear?  Cannot
find it on Cambium website.  Awful expensive too.

Will be nice when Forest gets his new gadgets out.


>> What is everyone using as an affordable 802.3at managed switch to
>> power up PMP450i and PTP450i units?  Would be so nice if Mikrotik had
>> one.

Re: [AFMUG] 450 APs

[Matt Mangriotis]

In this case (for a 450i radio), the forum post is here:  
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/How-to-Enter-Default-Mode-or-Recovery-Console-for-450i-series/m-p/52971

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 10:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 APs

Unless you have a 450i in which case I think you briefly turn off the power.

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 APs


Resetting to Factory Defaults (2 options) 1. On the radio GUI, navigate to 
Configuration, Unit Settings and select Set to Factory Defaults OR 2. On the 
radio GUI, navigate to Configuration, Unit Settings and enable and save option 
Set to Factory Defaults Upon Default Plug Detection. When the unit is powered 
on with a default/override plug (see section �Acquiring the Override Plug� 
in the PMP 450 Configuration and User Guide) the radio will be returned to its 
factory default settings.

bp




On 5/31/2016 7:30 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
Without going to cambium and waiting to download and filling out a bunch of 
forms, what is the quick and dirty way to reset a 450 AP back to factory?
�
[DennisBurgessSignature]
www.linktechs.net � 314-735-0270 x103 � 
dmburg...@linktechs.net
�

Re: [AFMUG] 450 APs

[Matt Mangriotis]

You can always look in the forums too... specifically, to answer your question 
here:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/How-to-Default-a-PMP-Device/m-p/35478/highlight/true#M256

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 9:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450 APs

Without going to cambium and waiting to download and filling out a bunch of 
forms, what is the quick and dirty way to reset a 450 AP back to factory?

[DennisBurgessSignature]
www.linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 x103 - 
dmburg...@linktechs.net

Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

[Matt Mangriotis]

Nothing will change to enable that on the CMM4.  The CMM5 is coming in the next 
quarter that will indeed support this.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

Big question is...can we get the ccm4 to do 1GB? Or do we have to wait for a 
CMM5?

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com<mailto:andr...@silowireless.com>
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

Also, Craig... this is the exact reason that we made the dongle available.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

I use the dongles when I feed them from a CTM2 set for 430 power.  At first I 
made my own, but now just buying the premade ones.

From: Craig Schmaderer<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:09 PM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

Those of you that are using them, do you use the dongles for the 450i, it looks 
like they are flipping the polarity on pins 5 and7, I assume this was an after 
thought when they moved to poe standard.  I could do it on the feeder cables 
but then someone in the future might assume they are normal 568 cables and blow 
something up, at least this way they see the dongle and ask questions to why 
does this feeder cable have a dongle?  Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

[Matt Mangriotis]

Also, Craig... this is the exact reason that we made the dongle available.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

I use the dongles when I feed them from a CTM2 set for 430 power.  At first I 
made my own, but now just buying the premade ones.

From: Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:09 PM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

Those of you that are using them, do you use the dongles for the 450i, it looks 
like they are flipping the polarity on pins 5 and7, I assume this was an after 
thought when they moved to poe standard.  I could do it on the feeder cables 
but then someone in the future might assume they are normal 568 cables and blow 
something up, at least this way they see the dongle and ask questions to why 
does this feeder cable have a dongle?  Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit Ethernet on Cambium 450i only running 100Mbps

[Matt Mangriotis]

We’re looking into this Ken… our engineering team is trying to replicate.

Will update your forum thread with results once figured out.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 9:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit Ethernet on Cambium 450i only running 100Mbps

No, the reason I’m asking is I’m seeing the LED totally off when running at 
1000 Mbps.  Not orange like the user guide says.  What I am seeing on the 
actual AP is:

10M:  red
100M:  green
1000M:  off, nothing, nada, zilch, dark, devoid of visible radiation

It really screwed me up because I thought there was no link, until I realized 
it was working fine at 1000FDX and reporting 1000FDX in the GUI.


From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 8:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit Ethernet on Cambium 450i only running 100Mbps

I've seen this a lot - the Intel 1000BaseT server NICs all use yellow-orange 
for an active 1000Mbps link, and green for 100Mbps. Seems counter intuitive but 
it is sort of a 'standard'.
Such as the i350-T2 and others.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/network-and-i-o/ethernet-products/intel-gigabit-server-adapters/intel-ethernet-server-adapter-i350-series/intel-ethernet-server-adapter-i350-t2.html

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
That sounds really backwards compared to most gear I'm familiar with.

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:
I have a question while we are on the topic:  what color is the last LED on 
your 450i AP when it is running at 1000 Mbps?  I know it’s green at 100 Mbps, 
but what about 1000 Mbps?  I know the user guide says orange, but is that what 
your AP actually does?


From: David
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 3:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit Ethernet on Cambium 450i only running 100Mbps

I am only catching part of this thread so dont throw anything at me for not 
reading the whole thread.
450i radios are rated for the 56v unlike the 450 radios they are rated for 
cambium std 29v
This is the reason I am having to upgrade all of my boxes to 48v plant as its 
base supply.

On 05/16/2016 11:35 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I have an idea.  Working on an experiment.

From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 8:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit Ethernet on Cambium 450i only running 100Mbps

Thanks for having a look at this for us.  It sure doesn’t make sense to me.  
The system  continues to run 1000Base-T Full Duplex here with the Cambium 
units.  I’m sure there is a reason but it looks like this one’s above my pay 
grade.

Steve B.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 2:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit Ethernet on Cambium 450i only running 100Mbps

No Joy.  Everything checks out 100%.

I bought one the cambium units for comparison.  Its impulse breakdown voltage 
is about 5 volts to ground lower than my unit for single pin to ground.  
Transverse impulses are clamped much lower on the cambium unit but normally 
that is not an issue.

Pin to pin and pin to ground I have less capacitive loading than the cambium 
unit.

They have some other circuitry that I have yet to puzzle out.
Something that is not related to surge suppression.

In any event, your unit, a brand new unit from my stock and the cambium unit 
all show 1Gbps on the traffic tester and all show good wiring continuity and 
all show good breakdown voltage pin to ground.  Visual inspections are not 
revealing any solder bridges or manufacturing issues

A puzzle for certain.  But I am not finished.  Stay tuned...

From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Friday, May 6, 2016 9:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Gigabit Ethernet on Cambium 450i only running 100Mbps

Replaced This ……


With This …….


On same ground point and got This ……


:-)

Except I want this to work …….


☹
Extra effort to ensure clear pictures and easy to read story line ……

Steve


From: Wireless Administrator [mailto:wirel...@htn.net]
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 12:03 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: Gigabit Ethernet on Cambium 450i

We’re not able to get our Cambium 450i radio’s Ethernet Interface to run at 
Gigabit speed.
Our setup is as follows:
Gigabit switch (Tried several brands) -->14’ Cat6 Patch -->Gigabit Sync 
injector (48V) --> 35’ Best-tronics Cat5 Shielded --> 800-800-GIGE-APC-HV --> 
80’ Best-tronics Cat5 Shielded --> Cambium 450i
It works without the 800-800-GIGE-APC-HV. (Cat5 Coupler).
Anyone ……….

Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] "Best" NLOS PtP

[Matt Mangriotis]

Yes, this is imminent (shipping within a month)…

Sync-over-power does work on these guys! (we learn from our mistakes).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "Best" NLOS PtP

Matt said they will be doing a 900 450i PTP, SMs on both ends. Of course there 
are downsides like 30VDC Canopy POE and no sync-over-power on the SM hardware.
On 4/18/2016 11:01 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Are we looking at a PMP450i AP and CPE? About $2,700 for "up to" 100 meg? Lucky 
to get half of that in a suburban environment at links that are up to 2 miles?

At that distance, if I can set a pole to clear the trees, I'd just get an AF24, 
but it's nice to have NLOS options just in case.  :-)


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

[Matt Mangriotis]

We're good. 

If you need me, you can even just use m...@cambiumnetworks.com

I already traded emails with Steve.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Try matt  mangriotis  cambiumnetworks.com

-Original Message-
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

There are some Cambium lurkers such as Aaron Schneider and Matt Mangriottis 
(sp?).  Whether they are actively reading your post is hard to say of course.
For permission to use their logo, I imagine Matt would be the one to reach out 
to.  Search the archive for his email address?


On 3/24/2016 10:55 AM, Steve wrote:
> Also there is an discussion going on.
>
> What would you consider the 3 top things that all wireless devices 
> (for the most part) share when it comes to the "health" of a wireless device?
>
> So far IMHO in our industry to start it would be
>
> 1) Signal, Power level RSSI in some cases - measured in dBm
> 2) SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio)
> 3) GPS status Sync or no sync .. that is the question.
>
>
> What else would you consider more important that is pretty much global 
> across all wireless devices?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve" <li...@wavedirect.org>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:46:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS
>
> Nope not yet.  We are making some minor changes and going back and 
> forth at the moment before it gets merged.  We'll use a temp icon at 
> first if we have to.
>
> Any Cambium employees watching?
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:55:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS
>
> Did you get someone from Cambium?
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
>
> The Brothers WISP
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Steve" <li...@wavedirect.org>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:51:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS
>
> Forgot to mention limited support for CMM 3.x and 4.x. We need to add 
> all the network info, but it does graph the GPS stats. More will be coming.
>
> Also some devices graph CRC errors, jitter, data rate, modulation 
> mode, SSR, temperature and other indicators we thought would be useful 
> to monitor.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve" <li...@wavedirect.org>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:40:44 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS
>
> On a side note - anyone have any Cambium contacts on the list I can 
> talk to about getting permission to use their logo?
>
> We've added our first pass at detection and graphing for these series 
> of devices. (Pretty much only the devices we had access to 
> immediately)
>
> PMP100 (AP and SM)
> PMP450(AP and SM)
> EPMP (AP and SM)
> PTP 100
> PTP 200/230
> PTP 250
> PTP 450
> PTP 650
> EPTP
>
> We are just putting in our pull request today so it should take a day 
> or so to get merged into the main branch. This is far superior to 
> Observium's limited support (actually all it really adds is limited 
> detection).
>
> We have actually added "Signal" as a sensor under "Health" and you can 
> set up a notification for each device if a signal drops below your 
> predefined threshold. Since most of us use some form of signal as a 
> measure of how good a connection is it made sense to make it a sensor.
>
> We are also considering adding GPS status under health, as well as SNR 
> (for those devices that support it).
>
> We are asking for your feedback and help in testing the bugs, and how 
> to improve the look/feel.
>
> Here are a couple screen shots (we only focused on getting it working 
> and not really how it looked immediately)
>
> http://imgur.com/a/CtTXy
>
>
> FYI this is a shared list account so myself or others here may respond 
> to you. If you wish to contact me directly I can be reached at steve 
> at wavedirect dot net
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450M

[Matt Mangriotis]

That would be an incorrect assumption…

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 10:53 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M

So im assuming 4 streams @ 256qam 125 Mbps = 500 Mbps

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:
450m increases AP capacity by letting the AP talk to multiple SMs at the same 
time.  I don’t think it increases throughput to an individual SM, that is the 
same as now (but note 30 and 40 MHz channels coming on 450).  450m is a new AP 
and antenna, it will work with existing 450 and 450i SMs.

From: Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 10:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M


Have they said anything about a new cheaper sm that does the entire 5ghz band 
and gb ethernet, otherwise a 450i is still going to be needed to take advantage 
of that 500mb, even mu-mimo on 2 sms can only do 200mb? not 500mb right?  I 
think aaron gave a hint a few weeks back about a new sm.


From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 9:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M

Right but you can do +100 Mbps aggregate to a 450 SM.

From: Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:02 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M

500 aggregated in the AP, not to SMs... ?

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
ouch.


On 3/16/2016 9:36 AM, Brian Sullivan wrote:
Just like FSK?

On 3/16/2016 7:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Backwards compatibility.
With existing 450

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Matt Mangriotis]

You may have already seen the post in our forum, but in case you don’t frequent 
the site… the answer (posted by our engineering team) is NO, do not attempt to 
use voltages above 30 VDC.

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/PMP450-AP-48-volt-support/m-p/51650#M2172

To quote him: “You may be able to get it running for some time but eventually, 
because of the overstress on the parts” and this will eventually cause them to 
fail prematurely.

Thanks,
Matt


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Well, we powered several 450 APs this morning off 48v for about 3 hours :)

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

On Mar 10, 2016, at 16:36, George Skorup 
> wrote:
At one time, there was a roadmap slide that stated 48V support for the 450 AP. 
Long, long before the 450i was ever mentioned. So I wonder if the hardware 
supports 22-56V, but they tell us that it's just the 29.5 standard.

Matt, Aaron, someone.. what's the deal? If the regular 450 AP will indeed run 
fine at 48-56V, that would really simplify a lot. Like I can downsize some 
DC-DC converters.
On 3/10/2016 1:38 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
Good point.  We don't use hardly any 450.. but the spec sheet does indeed say 
22-32VDC.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:20 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
So if I'm reading this correctly... regular 450 APs are being powered and 
running happily at 48VDC? That's funny because they're also supposed to be 
30VDC max.
On 3/10/2016 11:45 AM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
You know what's funny is we did... But every time we tested we happened to grab 
450 since that's almost exclusively what were installing now. One time one of 
the techs put a FSK SM on it and it died- he mentioned it in passing but we 
chalked it up to bad FSK taken from our graveyard bin on pulls. ��

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

On Mar 10, 2016, at 09:34, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

That's awesome.  Glad it's not too bad.

Next time lab it :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 10, 2016 12:31 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" 
> wrote:
As an update, we scrounged up 4 connectorized APs of our own and Bill Prince 
has 2 which I'm driving out to go get.  Paul McCall is also connectorized and 
shipping me some for spares.  Love this list, thanks guys!  We'll have 80% of 
the customers restored within 90 minutes, the rest this afternoon.

Whew, fun morning.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Or, if Cambium was nice, they could give you code to convert an SM into an AP.

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

If you are good with an iron, you could remove the regulator chip from an SM 
and replace it into the AP (assuming it is the regulator that dies from 
overvoltage).

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

He might could do an advance replacement...

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Tyler
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We all just shed a collective tear...

At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
Spring his here!
Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.

From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?



Yeah, the 

Re: [AFMUG] 450 14.1.2 build 4

[Matt Mangriotis]

You’re right George, in that DFS controlled bands require re-testing when we 
have wider channels available, so it won’t be released for 5.4 or 5.2 right 
away, unfortunately.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 14.1.2 build 4

The watchdog thing is definitely tied to temperature. Haven't seen a single AP 
reset in days now. It'll be 65 tomorrow! Then I'm sure it'll get below zero 
again and snow a foot before we get spring for real. :(

Will 30MHz on the regular 450 be available in the 5.4 band? Or will that 
require a new certification?
On 3/7/2016 10:06 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
Aaron hasn’t jumped on this one yet… so let me.

We’ll have a new open beta build of 14.1.2 out late this week (Friday).  We 
have high confidence that this will eliminate the watchdog.

Among other things, it rolls in ALL of the 13.4.1 benefits and fixes (including 
the RADIUS issue you mention) and opens up 5.2 and 5.4 GHz bands for 450i.

You will certainly want to try this one.

There is also a chance that shortly after, we’ll have a beta of R14.2, which 
will have 30 MHz channel bandwidths for 450/450i and enable the AUX port on 
450i.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 3:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 14.1.2 build 4

13.2.1 is in my opinion the latest and stable release for the PMP450 & PMP430.  
13.4 has some radius and watchdog reset issues (amongst others)

-sean


On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 
<t...@franklinisp.net<mailto:t...@franklinisp.net>> wrote:
14.1.2 is buggy.  13.4 seems stable
Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

317-738-0320 Daytime #
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #
Online: www.surfici.net<http://www.surfici.net>

Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!

On Mar 7, 2016, at 3:55 PM, George Skorup 
<geo...@cbcast.com<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
I have 13.4.1 for FSK loaded on a couple sites now. Seems to be good so far. I 
wonder how hard it would be to get us 13.4.1 for the regular 450, with the AP 
FPGA image that fixes the crazy issues. C'mon Cambium I can dream, right?
On 3/7/2016 1:49 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
i'm too scared after the 14.1.1 fiasco we went through.

let me know how it goes lol...I might upgrade a couple months after 14.1.2 is 
out in the wild but i'm too gun shy now.

-sean


On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 
<t...@franklinisp.net<mailto:t...@franklinisp.net>> wrote:
Testing the following firmware.  We see on three sites using 10Mhz channels the 
sms are registering.  No issues on 13.4 or 20Mhz channels.  Anyone else see 
this ?
Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

317-738-0320 Daytime #
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #
Online: www.surfici.net<http://www.surfici.net>

Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!

Re: [AFMUG] 450 14.1.2 build 4

[Matt Mangriotis]

Aaron hasn’t jumped on this one yet… so let me.

We’ll have a new open beta build of 14.1.2 out late this week (Friday).  We 
have high confidence that this will eliminate the watchdog.

Among other things, it rolls in ALL of the 13.4.1 benefits and fixes (including 
the RADIUS issue you mention) and opens up 5.2 and 5.4 GHz bands for 450i.

You will certainly want to try this one.

There is also a chance that shortly after, we’ll have a beta of R14.2, which 
will have 30 MHz channel bandwidths for 450/450i and enable the AUX port on 
450i.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 3:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 14.1.2 build 4

13.2.1 is in my opinion the latest and stable release for the PMP450 & PMP430.  
13.4 has some radius and watchdog reset issues (amongst others)

-sean


On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 
> wrote:
14.1.2 is buggy.  13.4 seems stable
Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

317-738-0320 Daytime #
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #
Online: www.surfici.net

Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!

On Mar 7, 2016, at 3:55 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
I have 13.4.1 for FSK loaded on a couple sites now. Seems to be good so far. I 
wonder how hard it would be to get us 13.4.1 for the regular 450, with the AP 
FPGA image that fixes the crazy issues. C'mon Cambium I can dream, right?
On 3/7/2016 1:49 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
i'm too scared after the 14.1.1 fiasco we went through.

let me know how it goes lol...I might upgrade a couple months after 14.1.2 is 
out in the wild but i'm too gun shy now.

-sean


On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 
> wrote:
Testing the following firmware.  We see on three sites using 10Mhz channels the 
sms are registering.  No issues on 13.4 or 20Mhz channels.  Anyone else see 
this ?
Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

317-738-0320 Daytime #
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #
Online: www.surfici.net

Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance

[Matt Mangriotis]

The 450d comes in a 4-pack with radios and complete assemblies (including the 
radome).

The radome holds the “sub-reflector” and the unit will not perform correctly 
without it. It is not optional.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 12:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance

Is the 450d radome included or optional? I thought it was optional.

We've already began the process of replacing the Force110's with Force200 PTP 
links. Just connectorized radios, not GPS. And now with the Force200's, there's 
no possibility of sync. Would've been nice to leave the 110's, swap to GPS 
radios and added the 450d radome kit. I think that's what Brandon is after.
On 2/24/2016 11:58 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
This all comes down to packaging and shipping…

We might be able to set up and sell just the radome, but it’s big and takes up 
a lot of space in a box.  You will probably not like the price we’d have to 
charge.

Have any of them broken?

Also, with respect to using them with Force products, I will check with 
engineering on possible gotchas.  I have never considered this.

After investigation, would you guys mind if I reach out to you (George and 
Brandon) to discuss potential pricing, quantities and feasibility?

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 11:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance

Yeah, that's dumb. So we can't even order replacements if they break? OK, maybe 
we just won't buy any 450d at all. I hope they are listening.
On 2/24/2016 7:10 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
Cambium does not have a part number assigned to the radome w/ sub reflector. So 
no distributors can purchase them and sell them to us. I agree its seems silly 
not to sell them but that’s what the sales reps are getting from Cambium and as 
I mentioned then didn’t return my calls or emails asking about it. I am 
generally a fan of Cambiums processes and products but this whole think left a 
bad taste in my mouth.

Best regards,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
www.gogebicrange.net<http://www.gogebicrange.net>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 10:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance

Seriously, no reseller will sell you just the 450d radome w/ the sub-reflector? 
I don't understand why Cambium would be hard assed about selling just the 450d 
radome kit. Refusing to sell something they make seems pretty stupid. The 
sub-reflector is just the front of the 110 wire suspended kit and snaps into 
the front of the radome, as I'm sure you're aware. If you wanted, you could rip 
off the suspenders. I've accidentally broken a few.

We haven't bought any 450d's yet. The antenna gain is calculated incorrectly, 
so the DFS band Tx power is like 10dB low, which means no worky for me. We're 
doing a lot of 5.4GHz now and we're not going to run the 14.1.2 beta builds in 
mass. So yeah, I'm just not going there yet.

We haven't done any PTP links without radomes for the past several years. It 
just makes sense. Not only for wind loading, but ice and heavy wet snow, which 
we're about to get here tomorrow damnit!
On 2/23/2016 9:03 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
Yep you guys hit the nail on the head. It’s the radome for us. I just cant risk 
another drop due to ice / snow packing in a dish. I tried to drum up enough 
interest in Chucks condom but not enough jumped on board. I didn’t even get a 
response from Cambium when I asked about the 450d radomes becoming available. 
Although we did confirm they would fit / work.  Kind of pissed me off since I 
was told a year ago at animal farm they would have one for the 110. Now they 
have it but won’t sell it.
I don’t mind having redundant links in place. Its been the plan since we 
started putting up the 110’s. When it became obvious that they were not going 
to give us radomes we backed off the install schedule for the second links.  So 
now we have to deploy the 200’s to get the radomes but have to give up GPS. I 
should have just deployed the microtik dishes with Eptp and radomes to start. 
That was the plan before I was told the force 110 would have them.

Best regards
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
www.gogebicrange.net<http://www.gogebicrange.net>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance


Wouldn't it be way cheaper and easier to use Chuck's condom radome?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 23, 2016 9:38 PM, "George Skorup" 
<geo...@cbcast.com<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
We've been putting radomes on

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance

[Matt Mangriotis]

This all comes down to packaging and shipping…

We might be able to set up and sell just the radome, but it’s big and takes up 
a lot of space in a box.  You will probably not like the price we’d have to 
charge.

Have any of them broken?

Also, with respect to using them with Force products, I will check with 
engineering on possible gotchas.  I have never considered this.

After investigation, would you guys mind if I reach out to you (George and 
Brandon) to discuss potential pricing, quantities and feasibility?

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 11:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance

Yeah, that's dumb. So we can't even order replacements if they break? OK, maybe 
we just won't buy any 450d at all. I hope they are listening.
On 2/24/2016 7:10 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
Cambium does not have a part number assigned to the radome w/ sub reflector. So 
no distributors can purchase them and sell them to us. I agree its seems silly 
not to sell them but that’s what the sales reps are getting from Cambium and as 
I mentioned then didn’t return my calls or emails asking about it. I am 
generally a fan of Cambiums processes and products but this whole think left a 
bad taste in my mouth.

Best regards,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
www.gogebicrange.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 10:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance

Seriously, no reseller will sell you just the 450d radome w/ the sub-reflector? 
I don't understand why Cambium would be hard assed about selling just the 450d 
radome kit. Refusing to sell something they make seems pretty stupid. The 
sub-reflector is just the front of the 110 wire suspended kit and snaps into 
the front of the radome, as I'm sure you're aware. If you wanted, you could rip 
off the suspenders. I've accidentally broken a few.

We haven't bought any 450d's yet. The antenna gain is calculated incorrectly, 
so the DFS band Tx power is like 10dB low, which means no worky for me. We're 
doing a lot of 5.4GHz now and we're not going to run the 14.1.2 beta builds in 
mass. So yeah, I'm just not going there yet.

We haven't done any PTP links without radomes for the past several years. It 
just makes sense. Not only for wind loading, but ice and heavy wet snow, which 
we're about to get here tomorrow damnit!
On 2/23/2016 9:03 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
Yep you guys hit the nail on the head. It’s the radome for us. I just cant risk 
another drop due to ice / snow packing in a dish. I tried to drum up enough 
interest in Chucks condom but not enough jumped on board. I didn’t even get a 
response from Cambium when I asked about the 450d radomes becoming available. 
Although we did confirm they would fit / work.  Kind of pissed me off since I 
was told a year ago at animal farm they would have one for the 110. Now they 
have it but won’t sell it.
I don’t mind having redundant links in place. Its been the plan since we 
started putting up the 110’s. When it became obvious that they were not going 
to give us radomes we backed off the install schedule for the second links.  So 
now we have to deploy the 200’s to get the radomes but have to give up GPS. I 
should have just deployed the microtik dishes with Eptp and radomes to start. 
That was the plan before I was told the force 110 would have them.

Best regards
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
www.gogebicrange.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance


Wouldn't it be way cheaper and easier to use Chuck's condom radome?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 23, 2016 9:38 PM, "George Skorup" 
> wrote:
We've been putting radomes on ALL of the Force200's.

Would be nice if they could come up with a sync-over-power variant of the 200.

. or let us order the 450d radome w/ sub-reflector element. The Force110 
and 450d is the same reflector.. and feed.

Just sayin.
On 2/23/2016 8:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Why go through the effort of replacing them?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 23, 2016 9:31 PM, "Brandon Yuchasz" 
> wrote:
Not exactly what you are asking but we have done a lot of 10 to 12 mile links 
with the stock force 110 and got full modulation. I have not put up the force 
200 yet but plan to start replacing all the force 110 links with them as soon 
as the weather warms a bit. The old 110s will become backup links.

Best regards,
Brandon Yuchasz

Re: [AFMUG] 450i 5.1 and 5.2 non overlapping channels?

[Matt Mangriotis]

YES!

We are undertaking this project and working toward a next generation PMP 450 SM 
that will cover the entire 5 GHz band (from 4.9-5.9 GHz), and be less expensive 
than the 450i SM.

At this point, I can’t comment on much surrounding the launch, as we’ve only 
recently embarked down this path.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 8:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i 5.1 and 5.2 non overlapping channels?

Thank you Matt. I appreciate the info.
Are there any plans on creating 1 450 SM that can handle all 4 frequencies?
That would be super

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 3:30 PM, George Skorup 
<geo...@cbcast.com<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
No, the regular 450 is hardware limited to 5470-5900.

On 2/20/2016 3:55 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
Will the 450 CPE work in 5.2?

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com<mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Feb 20, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Tushar Patel 
<tpa...@ecpi.com<mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>> wrote:
Matt,

To take advantage don't we need cheaper CPE?

Tushar


On Feb 20, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
<matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
 wrote:
Didn’t see anyone answer you on this Sam.

5.1 GHz (UNII-1) is 100 MHz (5150-5250 MHz), and is not DFS controlled, and 
follows similar rules to 5.8 GHz.  This band is available in R14.1.1.

5.2 GHz (UNII-2) is also 100 MHz (5250-5350 MHz), but is a bit less useful in 
that the max EIRP allowed is 30 dBm and it’s subject to DFS radar detection 
mechanisms.

Additional info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-NII

Taking advantage of these bands, however, can prove hugely useful and several 
of our customers are getting equipment deployed and working soon.

(Note: 5.2 and 5.4 will be supported in the R14.1.2 beta release that will be 
out very soon).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] 450i 5.1 and 5.2 non overlapping channels?

Is there any documentation or list knowledge on how big each frequency is?
Just wondering if it is worth it to go to the 450i and the ridiculously 
expensive SM's.
We are running out of spectrum in 5.4 and 5.8 though.

--
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Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com<http://www.newmex.com>




--
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Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com<http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] 450i 5.1 and 5.2 non overlapping channels?

[Matt Mangriotis]

Didn’t see anyone answer you on this Sam.

5.1 GHz (UNII-1) is 100 MHz (5150-5250 MHz), and is not DFS controlled, and 
follows similar rules to 5.8 GHz.  This band is available in R14.1.1.

5.2 GHz (UNII-2) is also 100 MHz (5250-5350 MHz), but is a bit less useful in 
that the max EIRP allowed is 30 dBm and it’s subject to DFS radar detection 
mechanisms.

Additional info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-NII

Taking advantage of these bands, however, can prove hugely useful and several 
of our customers are getting equipment deployed and working soon.

(Note: 5.2 and 5.4 will be supported in the R14.1.2 beta release that will be 
out very soon).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450i 5.1 and 5.2 non overlapping channels?

Is there any documentation or list knowledge on how big each frequency is?
Just wondering if it is worth it to go to the 450i and the ridiculously 
expensive SM's.
We are running out of spectrum in 5.4 and 5.8 though.

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] 14.1.1?

[Matt Mangriotis]

Dan - 14.1.1 does not have 5.4 enabled.  

We did receive the grant for both 5.2 and 5.4, and these bands will be enabled 
in the next beta software for R14.1.2 (but currently not yet in Build 4, which 
is available on the website today).

I am hopeful that we'll get an updated Beta out next week.

Matt



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 1:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 14.1.1?

What ever happened with this version and the 5.4 band?

Safe to upgrade or ???

Re: [AFMUG] 14.1.1?

[Matt Mangriotis]

Don’t worry Sean, MANY of these things are already fixed, the last major one is 
the watchdog (and related to the stack dump), which the team is hard at work on.

Once we get that next beta out, I would encourage you to try it.  I will post 
to this list when it gets out there (hoping next week).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 14.1.1?

don't do it!

here's the issues I found and we have since downgraded to 13.2.1

memory stack dumps
false DFS hits
watchdog resets
"out of range" sm registration failures (even tho the SM is clearly "in range")

the speed improvements of 14.1.1 are awesome!  i was getting 60x20 at my house 
where as on 13.2.1 i could only get ~ 32x15.  But the stability of 14.1.1 is 
awful.

-Sean


On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Dan Petermann 
> wrote:
What ever happened with this version and the 5.4 band?

Safe to upgrade or ???

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 450 SNMP Bug

[Matt Mangriotis]

Thanks Matt... I have sent this to the engineering team to investigate. Will 
let you know what they find.

I do know there was a custom frequency bug that has been fixed already (in the 
14.1.2 beta), but not sure if it's the same one that I recall.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Canopy 450 SNMP Bug

Trying to set the Custom Frequency list on a Canopy 3.65 SM I get this:

snmpset -v 2c -c Canopy 169.254.1.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.53.0 s
366000,369000
Error in packet.
Reason: wrongValue (The set value is illegal or unsupported in some way) Failed 
object: iso.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.53.0

I have SNMP write enabled.  I get this error with both 13.4 and 14.1.1.  
Dowgrading to 13.1.3 and it WORKS again.

It would also be nice if the config backup and restore actually worked.  I 
configure one SM and it works.  Restore the exact same config to another SM and 
it won't register too tower.  Restore factory defaults on it and configure step 
through web interface and it works fine again.

[AFMUG] R13.4.1 Beta Update - For PMP 100 and 430, PTP 100 and 230

[Matt Mangriotis]

We just released a new beta load for R13.4.1.

There are a ton of bug fixes and stability improvements, and this is a release 
candidate for the final software release for these products.  We would really 
appreciate anyone interested to go download this and run it through its paces, 
especially if you’ve had any issues.

NOTE: This is NOT for 450 platform devices (we’re working on an update to 
R14.1.2, which is coming next).

Software can be found here: 
https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp100/beta

Forum discussion for this is here: 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-Beta/Beta-Software-13-4-1-Build14-for-PMP100-PTP100-PMP430-and-PTP230/m-p/49839

Brief Release Notes (copied here for your convenience):

13.4.1 (Build 14) has the following improvements and fixes:
• Fixed an issue where AP resets after a user logs in, when Authentication 
is set to “Remote” or “Remote then  Local” and Accounting is 
enabled without configuring all three Accounting servers.
• whispGPSInSync and whispGPSOutSync traps are repeatedly sent out when the 
radio loses sync
• Config file: Shared secret of RADIUS server does not export correctly
• Unable to ping from the telnet interface of an SM in NAT mode to a PC 
connected to it on its LAN interface
Enhancements:
• Configurable option to allow ICC connected SM to use the AP’s Mgmt VID 
instead of the SM’s own Mgmt VID
• Updates to Event Logs for Radio Reset Cause
• Display IP of the RADIUS Authentication Server of each SM on the Session 
Status list
• “Aiming” page (previously Alignment Tab). The Aiming page is similar to 
spectrum analyzer where the SM will scan and list all scanned APs on its page 
(and the AP Evaluation page) but will not come into session with any APs. Two 
modes of operation are supported:
  o Single Frequency Only: The SM will scan only the configured 
frequency and list all scanned APs
  o Normal Frequency Scan List: The SM will scan all checked 
frequencies and list all scanned APs
Fixes and enhancements included in previous 13.4.1 beta release builds:

Defect Fixes:
 • SNMP OID GetChanBandWidthFlash returns the correct Chanel Bandwidth for 
SMs
 • NAT Port Mapping now works properly with Configuration File
 • Memory corruption that may occur when using RADIUS
 • Importing/exporting of the Authentication Key now works properly with 
Configuration File
 • 900MHz FSK and OFDM frame alignment fixes
 • P8 radios now correctly load 13.4.1
 • Fix bug where DHCP Option 81 is incorrectly populated
 • Fixed “varbind error” in CNUT

Enhancements:
• GUI Option for FreeRun to work at boot up
• Minor Configuration File changes
• Trap for GPS Sync loss will now be sent if the radio is rebooted.
• Interference Stats now available on the SM
• Update to the reboot message in the event log caused by CNUT
• Syslog Improvements
• Disconnect and Stop messages are now supported in RADIUS
• Jitter Stats now available on PMP 100 SMs

Re: [AFMUG] 14.1.1 MIBS

[Matt Mangriotis]

Thanks for pointing this out... they've been uncorrupted on the site.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 14.1.1 MIBS

Can somebody send me a non-corrupted mib file?

The one on the website is corrupt.

[AFMUG] American Tower Rep

[Matt Mangriotis]

Hey guys – I am looking to get some answers on tower twist and sway 
specifications and measurements.  Does anyone talk to American Tower or any 
other tower folks regularly?

If you can shoot me an email with contact information (or just reply here), it 
would help me out a great deal.

Appreciate the help.

Matt

Re: [AFMUG] 900MHz 450i pager reject filter in GUI

[Matt Mangriotis]

I just posted the whitepaper and excel tool in the community forum, and it will 
be up on the support section of the website later today.

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/450i-FSK-900-MHz-Frame-Calculator/m-p/47458#M1654

Sorry for the delay, working too hard on getting these things shipping to 
follow up on the paperwork…

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 12:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900MHz 450i pager reject filter in GUI

seems pretty self explanatory from the screenshot you sent.

if you enable pager reject filter it blocks everything above 920Mhz.  so they 
must have a notch filter in there that you can turn on and off.

the airframe legacy mode is for co-locating with FSK900 so that you can time 
them together.  pick your timing source and software version on the co-located 
FSK APs and that will tell you what to set the drop down menu to so that they 
will be synced.

2 cents

-sean


On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:
Interesting option in the AP config.

Also Frame Alignment Legacy Mode options.

I need to look for a user guide update to see if these are explained.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 - 3 GHz High Gain Integrated SM

[Matt Mangriotis]

Also, at the risk of sounding like I am talking to myself… I wrote a couple 
paragraphs highlighting the advantages of this here:

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog/a-high-gain-alternative/

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 9:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PMP 450 - 3 GHz High Gain Integrated SM

For those interested in a bit more information on this topic, attached is the 
spec sheet.  The introduction of these parts just went out to the channel this 
morning, and we can begin accepting pre-orders today, so talk to your resellers…

Matt

Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 - 3 GHz High Gain Integrated SM

[Matt Mangriotis]

LOL, Awesome work as usual…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 - 3 GHz High Gain Integrated SM

Thanks!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Matt Mangriotis 
<matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
 wrote:
Also, at the risk of sounding like I am talking to myself… I wrote a couple 
paragraphs highlighting the advantages of this here:

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog/a-high-gain-alternative/

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Matt Mangriotis
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 9:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] PMP 450 - 3 GHz High Gain Integrated SM

For those interested in a bit more information on this topic, attached is the 
spec sheet.  The introduction of these parts just went out to the channel this 
morning, and we can begin accepting pre-orders today, so talk to your resellers…

Matt

Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

[Matt Mangriotis]

It means that the 430 SM is supported when they’re talking to a 450 AP 
(Interoperability Mode only).

The PMP 430 AP will not take R14.1.1.

Matt


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Thanks Matt. So what does this mean then?
Customers running PMP 430 SMs in PMP 450 interoperability mode, please use the 
PMP 450 CNUT pkg3 file found 
here<https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/>. Note the linked file 
is for 14.1.1

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Matt Mangriotis 
<matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
 wrote:
Sam – R14.1.1 is not supported by PMP 430.

The PMP 430 SM are only supported when connected to PMP 450 AP (i.e. 
Interoperability mode).  Also, make sure you’re using the latest CNUT 
(available on the support site).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Hey all,
I want to update my 430 SM's from a 430 AP to 14.1.1 via the Autoupdate 
function in CNUT. However, I get an error No update package available.
Is there a work around without updating the AP to 14.1.1 1st? Or do I have to 
scan for all the SM's manually and upgrade them that way?
Sam


--
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Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com<http://www.newmex.com>



--
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Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com<http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

[Matt Mangriotis]

Sam – R14.1.1 is not supported by PMP 430.

The PMP 430 SM are only supported when connected to PMP 450 AP (i.e. 
Interoperability mode).  Also, make sure you’re using the latest CNUT 
(available on the support site).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Hey all,

I want to update my 430 SM's from a 430 AP to 14.1.1 via the Autoupdate 
function in CNUT. However, I get an error No update package available.
Is there a work around without updating the AP to 14.1.1 1st? Or do I have to 
scan for all the SM's manually and upgrade them that way?
Sam


--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

[Matt Mangriotis]

Only when the PMP 430 SM is registered to a PMP 450 AP (i.e. Interoperability 
Mode) will this work…

R14.1.1 technically is not supported by PMP 430 in standalone mode.  However, 
because we know there are still networks that have PMP 430 SMs interoperating 
(with 450), we made this function properly.

You are correct, using a 430 AP will not push this release to any devices.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

That s the thing, I don't want to upgrade the AP to 14.1.1 just the SM's, Auto 
update in CNUT version 4.9.x doesn't like to push the file through the AP.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
<matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
 wrote:
It means that the 430 SM is supported when they’re talking to a 450 AP 
(Interoperability Mode only).

The PMP 430 AP will not take R14.1.1.

Matt


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Thanks Matt. So what does this mean then?
Customers running PMP 430 SMs in PMP 450 interoperability mode, please use the 
PMP 450 CNUT pkg3 file found 
here<https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/>. Note the linked file 
is for 14.1.1

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Matt Mangriotis 
<matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
 wrote:
Sam – R14.1.1 is not supported by PMP 430.

The PMP 430 SM are only supported when connected to PMP 450 AP (i.e. 
Interoperability mode).  Also, make sure you’re using the latest CNUT 
(available on the support site).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Hey all,
I want to update my 430 SM's from a 430 AP to 14.1.1 via the Autoupdate 
function in CNUT. However, I get an error No update package available.
Is there a work around without updating the AP to 14.1.1 1st? Or do I have to 
scan for all the SM's manually and upgrade them that way?
Sam


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Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

[Matt Mangriotis]

If the units are not in “Interop Mode”, you should use R13.4.1 Beta software…. 
It has all the goodness of 14.1.1.

This would definitely connect and work with the 450i AP.  If the PMP 430 SM is 
running 13.4, it will not register to the 450i (running 14.1.1), unless “Legacy 
mode” is checked on.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Last question then.
Is it worth it to upgrade the SM's to 14.1.1 or just leave them at 13.4 and 
call it good? I intend to swap the 430 AP's with 450's and migrate the 430 SM's 
off the AP sooner than later. (I read your previous post about upgrading the 
SM's though a 450 AP.) Also, I am adding a 450i AP next week and would like the 
SM's to have a secondary or even tertiary color code in case the 450 AP fails. 
Would they (430 SM's) work in 13.4 to the 450i?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
<matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
 wrote:
Only when the PMP 430 SM is registered to a PMP 450 AP (i.e. Interoperability 
Mode) will this work…

R14.1.1 technically is not supported by PMP 430 in standalone mode.  However, 
because we know there are still networks that have PMP 430 SMs interoperating 
(with 450), we made this function properly.

You are correct, using a 430 AP will not push this release to any devices.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

That s the thing, I don't want to upgrade the AP to 14.1.1 just the SM's, Auto 
update in CNUT version 4.9.x doesn't like to push the file through the AP.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
<matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
 wrote:
It means that the 430 SM is supported when they’re talking to a 450 AP 
(Interoperability Mode only).

The PMP 430 AP will not take R14.1.1.

Matt


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Thanks Matt. So what does this mean then?
Customers running PMP 430 SMs in PMP 450 interoperability mode, please use the 
PMP 450 CNUT pkg3 file found 
here<https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/>. Note the linked file 
is for 14.1.1

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Matt Mangriotis 
<matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
 wrote:
Sam – R14.1.1 is not supported by PMP 430.

The PMP 430 SM are only supported when connected to PMP 450 AP (i.e. 
Interoperability mode).  Also, make sure you’re using the latest CNUT 
(available on the support site).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Hey all,
I want to update my 430 SM's from a 430 AP to 14.1.1 via the Autoupdate 
function in CNUT. However, I get an error No update package available.
Is there a work around without updating the AP to 14.1.1 1st? Or do I have to 
scan for all the SM's manually and upgrade them that way?
Sam


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Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

[Matt Mangriotis]

Sorry Vlad, no, this won’t happen.  The interoperability mode was intended as a 
migratory path to move the network to PMP 450 (i.e. buy some time).  The PMP 
430 FPGA is simply too full to include additional code to support 5ms frames.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Vlad Sedov
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Speaking of interop mode.. Are there any plans to add 5ms frame option to 430 
SM's attached to a 450 AP?

Thanks,

Vlad

On 12/8/2015 1:42 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
Only when the PMP 430 SM is registered to a PMP 450 AP (i.e. Interoperability 
Mode) will this work…

R14.1.1 technically is not supported by PMP 430 in standalone mode.  However, 
because we know there are still networks that have PMP 430 SMs interoperating 
(with 450), we made this function properly.

You are correct, using a 430 AP will not push this release to any devices.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

That s the thing, I don't want to upgrade the AP to 14.1.1 just the SM's, Auto 
update in CNUT version 4.9.x doesn't like to push the file through the AP.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
<matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
 wrote:
It means that the 430 SM is supported when they’re talking to a 450 AP 
(Interoperability Mode only).

The PMP 430 AP will not take R14.1.1.

Matt


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Thanks Matt. So what does this mean then?
Customers running PMP 430 SMs in PMP 450 interoperability mode, please use the 
PMP 450 CNUT pkg3 file found 
here<https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/>. Note the linked file 
is for 14.1.1

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Matt Mangriotis 
<matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
 wrote:
Sam – R14.1.1 is not supported by PMP 430.

The PMP 430 SM are only supported when connected to PMP 450 AP (i.e. 
Interoperability mode).  Also, make sure you’re using the latest CNUT 
(available on the support site).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Hey all,
I want to update my 430 SM's from a 430 AP to 14.1.1 via the Autoupdate 
function in CNUT. However, I get an error No update package available.
Is there a work around without updating the AP to 14.1.1 1st? Or do I have to 
scan for all the SM's manually and upgrade them that way?
Sam


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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 450i SM POE

[Matt Mangriotis]

Actually, just to correct a little bit…

The AUX port on the 450i radios is actually 802.3at as well.  This means that 
you could potentially use a device that draws up to 30W of power.

The 450i radio itself typically draws ~17W, but depending on cable length can 
(worst case) draw up to 19W.

As George says, any 802.3at supply should work, and I know the one we have 
right now is over-priced (if you’re not using the AUX port).

As I fed back to you off line, Sean, we will have the new supply, N00L034A, 
which is 802.3at ($35 MSRP), and will work with the N000900L007A AC Line cord 
($5 MSRP).  This should be available in January.

In cases where you’ll want to support PoE out to another device on the AUX port 
(i.e. power hungry PoE camera, or a second AP, etc.), you can use the 60W PoE 
which is cited below.

Matt


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 450i SM POE

Cool, thanks for the help George!

I'm gonna give the planet one a try, I'll report back with the results.

Hopefully cambium will chime in with a solution too.

-Sean

On Thursday, December 3, 2015, George Skorup 
> wrote:
Anything 802.3at compliant should work just fine. Switch port, injector, 
whatever.

We've installed some Exalt ExtendAir G2 radios which are also 3at compliant. 
Nice low power consumption. The OEM injector is a Phihong POE36U-1AT-R. I'm not 
sure if the -R means reverse polarity though. Could be because power is on 
1,2,3&6. We buy spares from here: 
http://www.alliedelec.com/phihong-poe36u-1at-r/70124112/

That one you linked shows 4/5+, 7/8-. I'm not sure if the 450i will do both 
types or if it expects power on certain pairs, or all pairs. I believe the 3at 
standard says the compliant powered device should take either. There's always 
those non-standard standards though. :(
On 12/3/2015 6:50 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
so based on what George said this will work?

http://planetechusa.com/ieee-802-3at-gigabit-high-power-over-ethernet-injector-mid-span.html

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 5:15 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
It's 3at on the input and 3af on the secondary port output. You might be able 
to get away with a 3af supply for the input which is 15W if you're not using 
the second output, but then again, the 450i 5GHz SM itself uses >14W, IIRC, so 
it'd be close.
On 12/3/2015 3:59 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
hi ken,

this is for the 5Ghz 450i integrated SM

regular canopy POE doesn't work, nor does epmp.

-sean


On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:
Which specific variant of 450i SM?

I’m pretty sure I read that at least for the 900 MHz version, it could be 
powered from a standard 29.5V Canopy POE.  Which obviously is important if you 
are swapping out existing FSK customers.

This may not be true for the 5 GHz variant, I don’t know.

Obviously these things don’t consume 60 watts or even 30 watts, but there’s 
also the pinout and gigabit issues.


From: Super WISP
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Canopy 450i SM POE

Here are the power supply options.  Pricing is MSRP.

N65L001B
C65L002B
N00L034A

$80
$380
$35

56 VDC, 60W supply
Enhanced AC+DC Power Injector
56 VDC, 30W supply (available soon)



N65L003A
N65L004AN65L005A

$20
$20
$20

US Line Cord Fig 8 (IEC-60320 Type C7)
UK Line Cord Fig 8 (IEC-60320 Type C7)
EU Line Cord Fig 8 (IEC-60320 Type C7)



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WAV®, Inc
Strategic Account Manager East Coast
630-818-1004 Direct
815-822-4490 Cell Phone
630-818-4450 Fax

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From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
 On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 3:17 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Canopy 450i SM POE

Doesn't the 5ghz 450i need 48v? They're supposed to be 802.3at compliant, so 
there's gotta be something cheaper than $80 out there.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
thats what i thought!

It didn't power the SM that i tried it on

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Josh Luthman 

Re: [AFMUG] to slant, or not to slant - that is the question

[Matt Mangriotis]

Just want to point out that this same logic and coding exists in the PMP 450 
platform as well.

You’ll see very soon when we release the high gain integrated PMP 450 SM at 3 
GHz, it’s H+V, not dual slant, but works equally as well and gives you 19 dBi 
gain.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] to slant, or not to slant - that is the question

Since inquiring minds want to know...

Here is the Word on this topic from Cambium... (While this was titled 2.4Ghz, 
as per them, it applies to their 5ghz as well).

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Joshaven Mailing Lists" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 4:15:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] to slant, or not to slant - that is the question
The Atheros chipset differentiating between the Mimo chains does not have to do 
with 45º slant vs 90º…  it means that chain A and B on one radio can be H or 
V while chain A and B on the other can be H or V interchangeably with no 
loss because and the chip will just cross them over as needed.  This means that 
hooking up the antenna cables “backwards” won’t effect anything.  It doesn’t 
mean that the orientation of the antenna is irrelevant.

The energy received by an antenna that is out of phase with another antenna is 
much less then if it was in phase that is a principal of radio that no chipset 
will ever overcome.  Now… maybe you can make a magic antenna that is “multi 
phased” such that it can tune in a 45º phase offset signal well.  I suspect 
that the Cambium equipment when properly matched will both have the same 
polorization.

I believe that if your having the same outcome on slant or not slant it would 
be due to one chain being refracted.  For example if your horizontal chain was 
fine but the virtual chain was refracted off something such that the wave was 
on or near a 45º slant then you would have the same basic performance 
regardless of a standard or slant orientation.  This however is a path issue 
not a design characteristic of the chipset or antenna.

FYI, linearly polarization is not a reference to the polarization being on a 
vertical, horizontal or slant axis but a reference to the way the wave 
propagates, circular polarization is an alternative to linear polarization not 
“slant".



Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com



On Dec 4, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:

The DSP in the ePMP can do some kind of processing to correct for the 45 degree 
offset when you have slant on one end and V+H on the other.  I might not be 
stating it with the correct technical jargon, but that's the gist of it.  They 
sell a dual slant sector for the AP with the intent to use it with V+H 
integrated SM.

This is a built in feature of the Atheros chipset, so presumably UBNT radios 
can do the same thing.

That all said...I would try to match them up as just a matter of principle.


On 12/4/2015 2:07 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists wrote:
Your AP & SM should always have the same antenna orientation.  I promise you 
that you don’t want slant on the AP and not on the CPE.  If the signal is so 
obstructed that the orientation is screwed up to the point that unmatched 
polarization is actually a benefit then there is something seriously wrong…


Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com



On Dec 4, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:


We are looking at smaller sector sizes for a 5 Ghz ePMP cluster (60 degree 
probably), and am considering my options, which might also increase my gain 
quite a bit.  Using a non-Dual Slant sector such as AM-5AC21-60, would increase 
my options.   There have been a calling threads on Cambium’s sites about 
whether Dual Slant was a big factor at the AP if  the SMs aren’t dual-slant.

Cambium’s Daniel Sullivan made this comment …  The thread was originally about 
2.4 Ghz options, so not sure if it applies exactly to 5 Ghz.

Paul

Re: [AFMUG] 200 SSD

[Matt Mangriotis]

The current model numbers are 200SSH, and 600SSH.

We are still producing both of these products.

(The “H” became a thing in 2011, when we split from the mothership)

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 11:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 200 SSD

FWIW, I have an overstock list from Mark Chamerlik at WAV showing 3 in stock in 
Canada.


From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 11:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 200 SSD

The only SSD part on their price list is the 600SSD.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Dec 3, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
Is the Cambium 200SSD (DC Surge Protector for CMM4) still a thing?

We had a vendor tell us they don't exist anymore.

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 450 3.65 APs onto existing Cambium sectors

[Matt Mangriotis]

Just a quick (minor) correction to this… you’ll use the same adapter plate, 
we’ll send you screws that will accommodate the hole tolerance and be the right 
size for the tapped holes in the 450i housing.  This is all in relation to the 
5 GHz 450 to 450i AP transition though.

For 3 GHz, I would agree with Mark and Daniel.  It’s probably easier to mount 
the AP separately, but you can certainly re-use the antenna.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 9:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 450 3.65 APs onto existing Cambium sectors

There is also a Field Service Bulletin Cambium just released to provide plates 
to convert 450 Sectors to 450i.

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Field-Service-Bulletin-PMP-450i-Adapter-Plate-Screws-FSB-9062/m-p/46447#U46447

I’d concur with Mark though… just hang the AP on the pole the antenna is 
mounted to instead.  Not sure I’d want to mess with changing out plates on 
sectors that are already deployed.

Thank you,

Daniel White
afmu...@gmail.com
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn: 
Twitter

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 7:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 450 3.65 APs onto existing Cambium sectors

There was an adapter to hang a FSK AP on the side of the 5.7 3 port sector 
antenna as a way to ‘make up’ for the inability of the 450AP to interoperate 
with the FSK radios.

I don’t know of anything ever made for the 3.65’s.  The antenna is identical I 
believe, so it’s probably a matter of ordering just the mounting plate.   I 
don’t know that it has a individual part number.  So far I think we have just 
used the stand-alone mounting brackets for the 450AP’s that we don’t mount 
directly to the antenna.

Mark



On Nov 27, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:

I seem to recall that you could buy an “adapter plate” for the 320 series 
sectors that allows the 450AP’s to mount on the back of the sector just like 
the 320 AP  did.

Did I dream that or does that adapter exist?

Paul



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Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 450i SM Power Supply

[Matt Mangriotis]

Right now, N65L001B. 

We will have a less expensive version of this coming out in the next 2-3 months.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 450i SM Power Supply

Cambium part number?


> 802.3at
>

>>
>> What does a 450i SM use for a power supply?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 13.4 QOS not working or is it better?

[Matt Mangriotis]

The burst bucket is up to 2.5 Gbit of data, but is completely configurable per 
SM.

See this whitepaper that discusses the use and advantages of this somewhat 
unique feature of the 450 products.

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/resources/pmp-450-maxburst/

Hope this helps…

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Wilt
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 13.4 QOS not working or is it better?

I think I read that it doesn't throttle until 2.5Gbits passes now.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Work 
> wrote:
We have a tech that is super excited that with 13.4 he can do as many speedtest 
as he wants and it won't throttle him down on the test older firmware it would 
he has tested 365 and 5ghz 450 same thing...

So is QOS not working now or does 13.4 really perform that much better??

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[AFMUG] Release 13.4.1 Beta - Now Available

[Matt Mangriotis]

Just wanted to give you guys a heads up... System Release 13.4.1 Beta software 
is now available for download:

https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/beta

It fixes numerous issues that we've been discussing here (and even adds a 
couple of minor features), so if you were experiencing any problems with R13.4, 
I would encourage you to download and test this out.  I would love feedback on 
this.  You can even berate me face to face next week in Vegas!

Release notes:
* SM's in "Registering Mode" will now register
* Passwords in the Configuration file can now be encrypted
* OFDM frame calculator improvements
* OID for cyclic prefix is now working (.1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.81.0)
* PEAP-MSCHAP is now working with Cisco ACS
* Ability to add VLANs via SNMP is now working
* PTP 450 now displays the SNMPv3 statistics

13.4.1 (Build 6) Known Issues:
* Silent Watchdog Resets have been reduced
* Syslog does not work when Wireless Manager is used to makes radio 
changes
* BHS can transmit at a lower power after the link with the BHM is 
dropped.
* CNUT may report a "varbind Error", but the radios will still get 
upgraded.

  *3.5 radios set to "Other/ETSI" will not transmit with this 13.4.1 
(Build6)

Thanks,
Matt Mangriotis
Senior Product Manager
Cambium Networks
3800 Golf Road, Suite 360
Rolling Meadows, IL 60008

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Re: [AFMUG] 450i POE Pinout

[Matt Mangriotis]

The 450i is PoE 802.3at compatible.

It’s not powered like Canopy.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i POE Pinout

No, they need 48vdc.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Matt 
> wrote:
So will they power up on a plain old canopy 24 volt power supply?


On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> wrote:
> It's in the manual,  but it's actually easy:
>
> Put positive on any pair,  and negative on any pair.   48vdc.
>
> They recommend any of the standard 802.3at pinnings or the older cambium
> pinning (positive on brown, negative on blue).
>
> Using the pass through for power  will require power on all 4 pairs.
>
> On Oct 8, 2015 11:17 AM, "Matt" 
> > wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have pinout for 450i gear?

Re: [AFMUG] 450d 13.3 on 12.2.2 AP

[Matt Mangriotis]

Alignment tone was broken in 13.3.  This is in the release notes.  Recommend 
you move to R13.4.

I am unsure of the “manufacturing issue” you refer to.  We have had a couple 
reports that 450d units were affected by the same manufacturing quality issue 
that affected some other 5 GHz 450 SMs (they share the same electrical PCB).  
If you see the “ADI Communications Failure” as referenced in the FSB (even if 
the serial numbers don’t appear in this list), please let us know right away.

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Field-Service-Bulletin-ADI-Catalina-R1-Chip-not-supported/m-p/43211


Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d 13.3 on 12.2.2 AP

Doh.  Anyone from Cambium want to chime in on the scope of the manufacturing 
issue?

FYI, We installed one today on an AP running  13.2.1.3 and it seems to work 
fine but the aim tool isn't working.  SM running 13.3 out of the box.  Is there 
an issue with the aim tone on these?

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 6:10 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
Uh oh?

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/450d-losing-sync/td-p/45012

On 10/6/2015 2:41 PM, David wrote:
Yeah, better move to 13.2 I have no issues with it across 14 of our sites.

On 10/06/2015 10:59 AM, Brian Sullivan wrote:
13.1.2 and above brings a lot of needed performance, I would upgrade at least 
to that.

On 10/6/2015 10:41 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
Is there an issue with 13.3 SMs on 12.2.2 APs?  We are testing the 450d and it 
looks like it is connecting but really isn't.

Any chance this is a polarity issue?  All of our dished SMs are connecting 
fine.  I seem to remember an issue with some 450APs having H and V swapped 
internally.

LUID: 037 - [0a-00-3e-xx-xx-xx] 
State: IN SESSION (Encrypt Disabled)
  Site Name: NAME
  PMP 450 MIMO OFDM
  Software Version: CANOPY 13.3
  FPGA Version: 112414 (DES, Sched, US/ETSI) P11
  Session Timeout: 0, AirDelay: 2950 ns, 29 bits (approximately 0.274 miles 
(1449 feet))
  Session Count: 4, Reg Count: 4, Re-Reg Count: 0, Session Uptime: 24 d, 
21:26:07
  Power Level : -54.2 dBm  Signal Strength Ratio : 7.0 dB V - H dB
  Signal to Noise Ratio: 14 dB V / 0 dB H
  Sustained Uplink Data Rate (AP): 65000 (kbps)
  Uplink Burst Allocation (AP): 250 (kbit)
  Sustained Downlink Data Rate (AP): 65000 (kbps)
  Downlink Burst Allocation (AP): 250 (kbit)
  Broadcast/Multicast Allocation (AP): 5 (kbit)
  Max Burst Uplink Rate (D): 0 (kbit)
  Max Burst Downlink Rate (AP): 0 (kbit)
  Low Priority Uplink CIR (D): 0 (kbps)
  Low Priority Downlink CIR (D)






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Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Field Service Bulletin - PMP 450 SM

[Matt Mangriotis]

d last week. This gives us bad 
reputation and cost us lot too.

So whatever the root cause mentioned in the email, if it was identified but did 
not include the batch we got, so something is not adding up still.

I really hope cambium gets to the bottom of these quickly.


Tushar


On Sep 9, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Steve D 
<bigd...@gmail.com<mailto:bigd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Just a bump... was this ever sorted out?  Contained to just one batch of 5.8 
radios as listed?  I know I've seen reports in other frequencies but seemed 
less widespread?  No mention from anyone in a while...  Just want to know 
before our next order...

-Steve D

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
<matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
 wrote:
I wanted to get this out to everyone before the weekend.  We found the root 
cause and identified the affected units by serial number.

See the attached Field Service Bulletin, and you can post any further comment 
or issue in the thread that discusses it here:  
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Field-Service-Bulletin-ADI-Catalina-R1-Chip-not-supported/m-p/43211#M1106

Apologies for the pain this issue has caused.

Matt Mangriotis
Senior Product Manager
Cambium Networks
3800 Golf Road, Suite 360
Rolling Meadows, IL 60008

www.cambiumnetworks.com<http://www.cambiumnetworks.com>
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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

[Matt Mangriotis]

Yes, we’re working on a maintenance release, and we’ve been working to fix 
these watchdog resets.

Also, yes, every support ticket, engineering.cgi capture, and feedback from you 
guys helps us to narrow down the issue that some of you are facing.

As to ETA, I am not sure when we’ll have something, but I am hoping that we’ll 
at least have a beta for some folks to test before the end of next week.

Thanks for sticking with us, and know that we’re focused on providing solutions 
to any issues that arise.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

Ditto.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
+1 Same here. About 20 AP's and 300 SM's all on 13.4. No issues.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
FWIW, we have 13.4 on everything now; FSK, PMP430, and PMP450. We're not seeing 
the watchdog resets.



bp




On 9/4/2015 9:55 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
Damn that sucks about it not being a fix. I too read the release notes too 
fast. FWIW, installing 13.4 has made for a bit more stable network on our 450's.


On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Brian Sullivan 
> wrote:
I probably read the Release Notes too fast and assumed that it was a fix.  I 
just re-read them and I only see what you do.  So it appears that there was no 
'bug fix' for this issue.  In the Cambium forum, Matt M noted that there may be 
a Maintenance release to address this.  He did not state an ETA.  I would 
assume that us submitting support tickets  would help them get closer 
to squashing the bug.

On 9/4/2015 10:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Brian, is it your understanding that 13.4 was supposed to cure or help the 
watchdog resets?  I don't see anything in the release notes other than the log 
entry for user initiated resets.

I wish I could detect a pattern or cause-effect relationship which APs exhibit 
this and which rarely or never do.


-Original Message- From: Brian Sullivan
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

For us, we rolled back the affected AP's to 13.2 and they are back to
their normal routine (once in a while reboots).  I replaced one of them
and brought back here to test.  I'll know more after we collect graph
data and submit a ticket with Cambium.

On 9/4/2015 9:05 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So what's the current status on this?  Is it better to upgrade to 13.4, or stay 
on 13.2?  And do you have to upgrade both APs and SMs?

And was 13.4 supposed to fix a watchdog reset problem?  Or just create a 
different event log entry for user initiated reboots?

Watchdog resets are a big problem, it used to be just gamers and VoIP users, 
but now everyone bitches if their video stream buffers.  Or their smartphone 
switches to using mobile data, or their webcam has gaps.  And it's worse with 
DFS or LBT.


-Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 9:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

We have been seeing this across 200+ AP's

It's getting truly annoying.   Cambium tech support has helpful suggestions 
like'just put them in free run'.   Um Thanks for the help, but no.

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
Millbury, OH 43447
419-261-5996
On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Brian Sullivan 
> wrote:

Last week we rolled out 13.4 to 450 AP's after testing in-house for a while.  
While running 13.2 we would see an AP here or there reboot on occasion by 
itself.  The only message in the Event Log mentions Watchdog Reset.  This is 
one of the bugs that Cambium noted was fixed in the 13.4 release notes.

Since we upgraded the network to 13.4 we are now seeing at least 4 AP's out 
there rebooting several times per day.  On one of these AP's we are also seeing 
SM's (all 17 registered) reboot along with the AP.  The site has UPS backup so 
I know it's not a power grid problem.  I am planning to roll the affected AP's 
back to 13.2 this evening.

Anyone else having Watchdog issues with the 13.4 release?

**System Startup**
System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset
Software Version : CANOPY 13.4 AP-DES
Board Type : P12
Device Setting : 5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-a0-08-e5 - 5760.0 
MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 85 - 2.5 ms
FPGA Version : 040715
FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
08/28/2015 : 14:11:42 CST : :Time Set
08/28/2015 : 14:11:58 CST : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port.







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Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Field Service Bulletin - PMP 450 SM

[Matt Mangriotis]

Seeing as we contract a separate manufacturer to build our equipment, I am 
being sensitive to how much I describe here in this public forum.  They have 
accepted responsibility and have remedied the situation, and while the whole 
situation stinks, they’ve responded well, and we’ll get past this.

Next time we chat in person, we can discuss the intricacies of the failure 
mode.  Hope you understand.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Service Bulletin - PMP 450 SM

Fire up the Clinton auto parse-extrapolator

OK, crystal ball in lap  “factory process issue”...
Soldering most likely.  Short, ground, bridge, open.  Could be a 
mis-aligned or misplaced chip too.  Same difference.

“that resulted in an electrical problem”
Yeah, most physical soldering issues are truly an electrical (as opposed to 
software, firmware etc. problem)

“which increased the incidence rate of voltage issue”
OK, increased failure rate due to voltage issues.  Solder opens normally do 
cause voltage (or lack thereof) issues.

I still don’t understand what the meaning of “is” is...


From: Matt Mangriotismailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 8:17 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Service Bulletin - PMP 450 SM

There was a factory process issue that resulted in an electrical problem which 
increased the incidence rate of voltage issues with the Analog Devices RF chip 
(the “ADI” chip). It won’t affect ALL the units listed, but we don’t want to 
take any chances.  The issue has been root caused and corrected.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 2:50 PM
To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Service Bulletin - PMP 450 SM


I thought they only worked union scale?
On Aug 23, 2015 1:07 PM, David Milholen 
dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote:
They let the budwiser frogs on the assembly line for one week.
On 8/21/2015 8:41 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
So, what is actually wrong with these radios?
�
From: Matt Mangriotismailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 7:37 PM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Field Service Bulletin - PMP 450 SM
�
I wanted to get this out to everyone before the weekend.� We found the root 
cause and identified the affected units by serial number.
�
See the attached Field Service Bulletin, and you can post any further comment 
or issue in the thread that discusses it here:� 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Field-Service-Bulletin-ADI-Catalina-R1-Chip-not-supported/m-p/43211#M1106
�
Apologies for the pain this issue has caused.
�
Matt Mangriotis
Senior Product Manager
Cambium Networks
3800 Golf Road, Suite 360
Rolling Meadows, IL 60008
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O: 847-439-6379tel:847-439-6379
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Re: [AFMUG] Field Service Bulletin - PMP 450 SM

[Matt Mangriotis]

There was a factory process issue that resulted in an electrical problem which 
increased the incidence rate of voltage issues with the Analog Devices RF chip 
(the “ADI” chip). It won’t affect ALL the units listed, but we don’t want to 
take any chances.  The issue has been root caused and corrected.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 2:50 PM
To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Service Bulletin - PMP 450 SM


I thought they only worked union scale?
On Aug 23, 2015 1:07 PM, David Milholen 
dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote:
They let the budwiser frogs on the assembly line for one week.

On 8/21/2015 8:41 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
So, what is actually wrong with these radios?
�
From: Matt Mangriotismailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 7:37 PM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Field Service Bulletin - PMP 450 SM
�
I wanted to get this out to everyone before the weekend.� We found the root 
cause and identified the affected units by serial number.
�
See the attached Field Service Bulletin, and you can post any further comment 
or issue in the thread that discusses it here:� 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Field-Service-Bulletin-ADI-Catalina-R1-Chip-not-supported/m-p/43211#M1106
�
Apologies for the pain this issue has caused.
�
Matt Mangriotis
Senior Product Manager
Cambium Networks
3800 Golf Road, Suite 360
Rolling Meadows, IL 60008
�
www.cambiumnetworks.comhttp://www.cambiumnetworks.com/
O: 847-439-6379tel:847-439-6379
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Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium 450 SM's dying after a couple of days withADI communication error

[Matt Mangriotis]

It could have affected PTP 450 units as well.  We will definitely let you know 
if it has.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium 450 SM's dying after a couple of days withADI 
communication error

 Sorry for not talking about this much, but during our investigation, 
 we wanted to make sure we were covering all the bases.  It does appear 
 to be an isolated manufacturing defect.  We are working to narrow down 
 and publish the MAC address list of potentially affected units, and 
 should have this within a few days.

 Unfortunately, this could be a latent issue, and units may not fail 
 right away.  More details to follow.

Great news that we will have a list.  Will this affect any PTP450 units?  
Thanks!

Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium 450 SM's dying after a couple of days withADI communication error

[Matt Mangriotis]

Sorry for not talking about this much, but during our investigation, we wanted 
to make sure we were covering all the bases.  It does appear to be an isolated 
manufacturing defect.  We are working to narrow down and publish the MAC 
address list of potentially affected units, and should have this within a few 
days.

Unfortunately, this could be a latent issue, and units may not fail right away. 
 More details to follow.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium 450 SM's dying after a couple of days withADI 
communication error

It seems that one of the first major snafus was when they moved production from 
Canada to Mexico.  Supply chain of a critical component issue.  The guy 
managing the logistics of that got fired as I recall.  I don’t remember what 
critical part was left unordered and there was a huge lead time on it.

From: Mark Radabaughmailto:m...@amplex.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 12:54 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium 450 SM's dying after a couple of days withADI 
communication error

If Cambium waits just a little bit longer they can open a fabrication facility 
in Texas and hire the experienced Mexican crew - that used to assemble good 
radios :-)

Mark

On Aug 18, 2015, at 2:47 PM, Chuck McCown 
ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Well when you subcontract the manufacturing out to a competitor’s plant (UBNT) 
there is always the possibility of sabotage too.

(can you spell T R O L L...   ;-)

From: Forrest Christian (List Account)mailto:li...@packetflux.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 12:44 PM
To: afmailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium 450 SM's dying after a couple of days with 
ADI communication error

This smells like a similar problem for sure.
Assuming that this is a manufacturing and not a design issue,  my guess is that 
it's either some process causing a component crack (i.e. not properly baking a 
moisture sensitive part before assembly..causing popcorning, or a mechanical 
flex during separation), or possibly a counterfeit component.
On Aug 18, 2015 11:16 AM, Bill Prince 
part15...@gmail.commailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:

Is this a recurrence of the melting epoxy problem of 2009 (or whatever year it 
was)? With appropriate accommodations for changes in hardware?



bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On 8/12/2015 11:01 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
Actually, both… but I was referring to the actual product issue, resulting in 
the need for RMA.

The RMA process and forms are being reviewed also, and being worked by the 
right teams. (Different folks than are working on the product root cause… whew!)

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium 450 SM's dying after a couple of days with 
ADI communication error

The RMA or the ADI issue?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:
We’re hard at work on this issue… lots of resources are digging into this as 
fast as possible to root cause.

I will update when we learn more.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium 450 SM's dying after a couple of days with 
ADI communication error

I had to yell on the list to get an answer.  At least they answered you without 
barking =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
m...@amplex.netmailto:m...@amplex.net wrote:
And don’t get me started on the asinine, dog slow RMA process….

Mark

On Aug 12, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Lot of those threads popping up, too.  $400 for a radio and it can't even 
survive a few weeks???


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
m...@amplex.netmailto:m...@amplex.net wrote:
Oh, how the mighty have fallen.People used to write articles about Motorola 
quality:  
http://www.qualitymag.com/articles/84187-motorola-a-tradition-of-quality

3 failed so far out of a 25 pack - no six Sigma here.

Dear Cambium - what’s going on, and how many more of these can we expect to 
fall over dead?

Not cool when it happens to the same new customer twice in 10 days.   Makes us 
look like idiots.

Mark

Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium 450 SM's dying after a couple of days with ADI communication error

[Matt Mangriotis]

We’re hard at work on this issue… lots of resources are digging into this as 
fast as possible to root cause.

I will update when we learn more.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium 450 SM's dying after a couple of days with 
ADI communication error

I had to yell on the list to get an answer.  At least they answered you without 
barking =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
m...@amplex.netmailto:m...@amplex.net wrote:
And don’t get me started on the asinine, dog slow RMA process….

Mark

On Aug 12, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Lot of those threads popping up, too.  $400 for a radio and it can't even 
survive a few weeks???


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
m...@amplex.netmailto:m...@amplex.net wrote:
Oh, how the mighty have fallen.People used to write articles about Motorola 
quality:  
http://www.qualitymag.com/articles/84187-motorola-a-tradition-of-quality

3 failed so far out of a 25 pack - no six Sigma here.

Dear Cambium - what’s going on, and how many more of these can we expect to 
fall over dead?

Not cool when it happens to the same new customer twice in 10 days.   Makes us 
look like idiots.

Mark

Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium 450 SM's dying after a couple of days with ADI communication error

[Matt Mangriotis]

Actually, both… but I was referring to the actual product issue, resulting in 
the need for RMA.

The RMA process and forms are being reviewed also, and being worked by the 
right teams. (Different folks than are working on the product root cause… whew!)

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium 450 SM's dying after a couple of days with 
ADI communication error

The RMA or the ADI issue?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:
We’re hard at work on this issue… lots of resources are digging into this as 
fast as possible to root cause.

I will update when we learn more.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium 450 SM's dying after a couple of days with 
ADI communication error

I had to yell on the list to get an answer.  At least they answered you without 
barking =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
m...@amplex.netmailto:m...@amplex.net wrote:
And don’t get me started on the asinine, dog slow RMA process….

Mark

On Aug 12, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Lot of those threads popping up, too.  $400 for a radio and it can't even 
survive a few weeks???


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
m...@amplex.netmailto:m...@amplex.net wrote:
Oh, how the mighty have fallen.People used to write articles about Motorola 
quality:  
http://www.qualitymag.com/articles/84187-motorola-a-tradition-of-quality

3 failed so far out of a 25 pack - no six Sigma here.

Dear Cambium - what’s going on, and how many more of these can we expect to 
fall over dead?

Not cool when it happens to the same new customer twice in 10 days.   Makes us 
look like idiots.

Mark

[AFMUG] Indiana Regional WISP Meeting - July 24

[Matt Mangriotis]

Not sure if any of you are planning to go, but I will be at the WISPA meeting 
in Indianapolis on Friday if anyone wants to chat...

(or maybe this information will cause you to stay far far away from this 
meeting :))

Matt Mangriotis
Senior Product Manager
Cambium Networks
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Re: [AFMUG] pmp100 pmp450 sync calculator issues

[Matt Mangriotis]

Oh Ken... you think this is so easy.
:)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] pmp100 pmp450 sync calculator issues

Why was someone even in there changing code?  And whatever happened to 
automated regression testing?

From: George Skorupmailto:geo...@cbcast.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:21 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] pmp100 pmp450 sync calculator issues

I updated a 900 AP. Looking at /engineering.cgi on this 13.4 AP and a 13.1.3 
AP, the current frame configuration matches. The frame calculator is definitely 
broken. I see what the difference is now. The new calculator shows max range 
air delay as one-way, while the previous calculator shows round-trip air delay. 
Somebody forgot to do math somewhere. So the new calculator needs one-way air 
delay added to the AP's Rx Start value. Not the end of the world, but yes, 
confusing.
On 7/15/2015 5:04 PM, George Skorup wrote:
My guess is it's just the calculator page code that got mucked up, not the 
actual running RF operation/framing.

Go to one AP that is on 13.1.3 and another that's on 13.4. Log in and change 
the URL to /engineering.cgi and look at the Current Frame Configuration on 
both radios. They should match. If they don't then... uh oh. I don't have 
enough stuff updated yet to do this myself.
On 7/15/2015 3:47 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
This case has now been sent up to upper level engineers.� I guess this might 
be a huge bug, no one can still tell me what calculator is the correct value or 
if the new software is even running the right time when you upgrade.� I would 
be careful upgrading radios if you need to time your 100 and 450 together until 
this gets resolved.��
�
Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 6:13 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] pmp100 pmp450 sync calculator issues
�
WTF. So is it the new one or the old one that's wrong?

I just ran your dimensions on a 450 AP running 13.2.1. I got the same as your 
FSK on 13.1.3. Apparently something changed after 13.2/.1.
On 7/9/2015 2:34 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
So I have a ticket open with cambium on this issue.� Have you guys noticed 
the fsk calculator on pmp100 radios with software 13.1.3 and lower give you 
different results than the fsk calculator on a 450 radio running 13.3?
I can�t believe cambium never caught this but the tech acts like wow, 
that�s weird?�� Really?�� So I am trying to figure out if it is an 
error, or if it matters the software version, that said if people start 
upgrading to 13.4 on 100 your calculators will change, at least with my 
settings, so be careful to check your settings again after the upgrade.� I 
will post my findings with support.� Here is a screen shot of the same radio 
with 13.1.3 and than with 13.4, you will notice that the difference in software 
changes the ap start receive time by more than 600.� I would assume that you 
really don�t want to be off that much.� Any insight on this would be great!
�
[X]
�
�
[X]
�
Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052
�
�

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

[Matt Mangriotis]

Yes, there is a chance!

We are developing the implementation of IEEE 1588v2 in this system, but I don’t 
have a date, nor a complete understanding of how it will be implemented.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Auer
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 12:33 PM
To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Since you're doing 802.3at, any chance of adding IEEE 1588 support for 
standardized timing over ethernet?
There are a number of switch/router platforms designed for small cell 
environments that do both and we could greatly simplify our tower builds if we 
could use them.

E.g. slap a Juniper ACX500-O-PoE on a pole, cable in the backhaul and AP, and 
you're done. No more cabinet, no more poe/sync injector, stand-alone switch, 
etc.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:
Good questions.

Both CMM4 and UGPS are supported with 450i.  True, the 6-pin port became a 
RJ-45 port, so the pinout is different.

For connecting the CMM4, because the 450i is now powered by 802.3at PoE, you’ll 
need the 56 VDC power supply and the cable from the CMM4 to the PMP 450i AP has 
a different pinout.

These cable pinouts will be documented in the user guides.

PMP 450d is a SM only, so sync is taken from the AP.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Brian Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

It has an AUX port that is Rj-45.  No more Rj-11.
On 7/15/2015 3:45 PM, Pavel Lyuty wrote:
Sync only via CMM  ?

UGPS and other timing-port sync not supported ?



2015-07-15 17:55 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis 
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com:
These are two different products, addressing different markets.  Cambium is 
hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the 
goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses…

Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was 
just released this morning:

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases

Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM
To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each 
others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form 
factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form 
factors?




-
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Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

[Matt Mangriotis]

We are not planning this anytime soon.

Interoperability between PMP 450 and PMP 450i does not come until R14.1, which 
is a couple months away.  Also, the Lite AP, which is only available on PMP 450 
provides a lower cost option to get into the PMP 450 line.

Eventually, we will phase out the 5 GHz PMP 450, but not for some time, and 
everyone will get plenty of notice.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Pavel Lyuty
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 1:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Matt,

cambium plan EOL PMP450 AP Full ?

2015-07-15 21:39 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis 
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com:
There is no Lite AP for PMP 450i.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Key question, is there a 'lite' version of these new AP's?  What does it cost?


On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis 
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:
These are two different products, addressing different markets.  Cambium is 
hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the 
goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses…

Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was 
just released this morning:

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases

Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM
To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each 
others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form 
factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form 
factors?




-
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Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

[Matt Mangriotis]

The AUX port DOES support alignment tone, but it’s an RJ-45 connector now, so 
the cable or adapter to connect the headset is a bit different.

That spec sheet is a bit of a typo, and a new one will be posted… although it’s 
worth noting that the PTP 450i will go a LONG way, with high gain antennas, 
increased transmit power and better Rx sensitivity!

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Does the Multifunction AUX port mean that the alignment tone is gone?

The PTP 450i says the maximum deployment range is Up to 58 to 400 miles 
minimum, depending on configuration
Is that a typo?


On 7/15/2015 12:03 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
Production ramp up is occurring now, but it might take some time.  I would 
expect deliveries to start mid-August.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Thanks Matt.

When can we expect our vendors to have stock of these?

Thanks

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:39 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

The download site is busted (again).

Here are the spec sheets.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 11:36 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Yep broken for me also.  It is such crap having to fill in a form to read a 
spec sheet.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:25 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

And I can't read the spec's because the captcha is broken (or am I more blind 
than I thought I was getting?)

Please get rid of that crap and put the damn spec sheets in section I can log 
into with the support documents.

-Steve D

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis 
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:
These are two different products, addressing different markets.  Cambium is 
hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the 
goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses…

Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was 
just released this morning:

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases

Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM
To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each 
others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form 
factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form 
factors?




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Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

[Matt Mangriotis]

If I were to say that there would be a 12” square flat panel (think about the 
PMP 450i integrated SM tilted at a 45 degree) for 3.65 GHz available, would 
there be strong interest in this from this crowd?

It would be somewhat more expensive, but would have an integrated 19 dBi flat 
panel antenna, and the PMP 450i rear housing (but contain the existing 450 SM 
PCB).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

We put up a 3.65 connectorized SM with a tan Mars 15x15 panel oriented like a 
diamond, on some customer’s upscale house that was the exact same color.  He 
was very happy.  I just hope he doesn’t tell all his neighbors and they want it 
too, because it was really too expensive by the time you add up the premium for 
3.65 + the premium for connectorized SM + a fairly expensive panel antenna.  
Also the pigtails just reached, but Cambium is working on that.

So an integrated panel would be nice.  Although the 3.65 bare SMs work 
amazingly well at 1-2 miles.


From: George Skorupmailto:geo...@cbcast.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:46 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was 
resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted some screenshots while they were 
working on it. If your linktest gets you say 60x20Mbps, you can get very close 
to that in bridge mode, NAT mode is slightly less, but it's not as bad as it 
used to be (was about 10Mbps!).

We will probably move to the 450d SM for 5GHz and do away with reflectors and 
Stingers (sorry Chuck). We are also not doing any more 2.4GHz. We have a single 
sector up with about 25 SMs on it and it works fine for the most part, but the 
noise is horrible. And all I want for 3GHz is an integrated panel SM.
On 7/15/2015 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Yeah they max out way before the AP does...30meg might be rightbut we're 
not usually selling more than that to one customer.

There's room in the market for a higher end SM for sure.
On 7/15/2015 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Higher peak Tx power also brings about higher Tx power at max modulation. Tx 
power at lowest modulation doesn't mean much to me.

Weren't there complains that the 450 SMs were running out of steam at like 30 
megabit?


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From: Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:13:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

I can also see why you wouldn't do it.
450d can max out the (FCC) legal EIRP with the available tx power.  The higher 
pps, faster processor, etc are features more useful for an AP.  Maybe they keep 
the cost down a little by NOT doing more with that one.

Or phrased another way, maybe 450di would be the ideal CPE except nobody would 
buy it because the 450d was cheaper.

just speculation.

On 7/15/2015 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
*nods* The press release prompted the question.

It seems like a 450di would be the ideal 450 CPE.  ;-)


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From: Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:55:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
These are two different products, addressing different markets.  Cambium is 
hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the 
goal

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

[Matt Mangriotis]

There is no Lite AP for PMP 450i.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Key question, is there a 'lite' version of these new AP's?  What does it cost?


On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis 
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:
These are two different products, addressing different markets.  Cambium is 
hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the 
goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses…

Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was 
just released this morning:

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases

Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM
To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each 
others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form 
factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form 
factors?




-
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Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

[Matt Mangriotis]

We’re employing what we’re calling Dynamic Interference Filtering in this 
platform… this is actually circuitry that “wraps around” the selected operating 
channel, effectively isolation noise from all other frequencies.  Once you 
change channels, this filter moves with it.  Because this is an ultrawide band 
(supporting 4900-5925 MHz), we think this filtering will really help mitigate 
“off channel” but “in band” noise.

Because this product utilized a newer generation FPGA (actually a SoC), we have 
much more processing power available.  At release, we’re over three times more 
PPS than the PMP 450, and there’s room to grow.  Headline throughput is the 
same as PMP 450 today, but you will see differences (improvements) with smaller 
packet traffic, when NAT is on, etc.  We will also have improvements to 
headline throughput coming in future releases.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Would like to see more information about the 450i interference mitigation 
advances over the 450.. and PPS/Throughput improvements over the 450.

Peter Kranz
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Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

[Matt Mangriotis]

Production ramp up is occurring now, but it might take some time.  I would 
expect deliveries to start mid-August.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Thanks Matt.

When can we expect our vendors to have stock of these?

Thanks

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:39 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

The download site is busted (again).

Here are the spec sheets.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 11:36 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Yep broken for me also.  It is such crap having to fill in a form to read a 
spec sheet.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:25 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

And I can't read the spec's because the captcha is broken (or am I more blind 
than I thought I was getting?)

Please get rid of that crap and put the damn spec sheets in section I can log 
into with the support documents.

-Steve D

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis 
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:
These are two different products, addressing different markets.  Cambium is 
hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the 
goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses…

Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was 
just released this morning:

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases

Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM
To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each 
others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form 
factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form 
factors?




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Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

[Matt Mangriotis]

Maybe I am being less than clear, so apologies for that.

There are two RJ-45 ports on this product:

1 port is Data/Power (i.e. the main port)
1 port is AUX, which has (or will have) many functions, among them is 
input/output of the sync pulse (i.e. UGPS)

In summary, the radio supports “sync over power” via the CMM4 (using a custom 
cable pinout) and 56 VDC.  It also supports “sync over timing port” via the 
UGPS (or other devices that perform similar functions) using the AUX port (and 
custom cable).

Does this make sense?

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Timing on the power port?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Good questions.

Both CMM4 and UGPS are supported with 450i.  True, the 6-pin port became a 
RJ-45 port, so the pinout is different.

For connecting the CMM4, because the 450i is now powered by 802.3at PoE, you’ll 
need the 56 VDC power supply and the cable from the CMM4 to the PMP 450i AP has 
a different pinout.

These cable pinouts will be documented in the user guides.

PMP 450d is a SM only, so sync is taken from the AP.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

It has an AUX port that is Rj-45.  No more Rj-11.
On 7/15/2015 3:45 PM, Pavel Lyuty wrote:
Sync only via CMM  ?

UGPS and other timing-port sync not supported ?



2015-07-15 17:55 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis 
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com:
These are two different products, addressing different markets.  Cambium is 
hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the 
goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses…

Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was 
just released this morning:

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases

Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM
To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each 
others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form 
factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form 
factors?




-
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Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

[Matt Mangriotis]

These are two different products, addressing different markets.  Cambium is 
hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the 
goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses…

Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was 
just released this morning:

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases

Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM
To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each 
others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form 
factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form 
factors?




-
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Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

[Matt Mangriotis]

Ken – The press release says that the PMP 450 platform supports 3.65 GHz… is 
that what you’re referring to?

The PMP 450i release is 4900-5925 MHz (5 GHz) only.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Press release says it includes 3.65 GHz, I wonder what is the FCC approval 
status on that?  Given that band is kind of in regulatory limbo now until the 
new rules and spectrum access database get worked out.


From: Mattmailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Are these coming for the 2.4 and 3.5 GHZ bands?  900 MHZ?


On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis 
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:
These are two different products, addressing different markets.  Cambium is 
hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the 
goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses…

Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was 
just released this morning:

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases

Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM
To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each 
others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form 
factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form 
factors?




-
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Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

[Matt Mangriotis]

Right now, we have no plans to launch PMP 450i in 2.4 or 3 GHz bands.  There 
are plans for the PMP 450i 900 MHz product, which is due out in Q4.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Are these coming for the 2.4 and 3.5 GHZ bands?  900 MHZ?


On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis 
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:
These are two different products, addressing different markets.  Cambium is 
hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the 
goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses…

Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was 
just released this morning:

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases

Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM
To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each 
others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form 
factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form 
factors?




-
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Re: [AFMUG] Software 13.4

[Matt Mangriotis]

No.  This is not in R13.4.

What I meant was that Alignment Tone was completely broken (on PMP 450) in 
R13.3, and it is now fixed (for PMP 450 AP to PMP 450 SM).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyson Burris @ Internet 
Communications Inc
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 3:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Software 13.4

Clarify this Matt…

Alignment tone 430 SM to 450 AP now?

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:02 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Software 13.4

We spent a LOT of time on those George… we nailed many of them cold in 13.4.  
Please let us know if you’re still seeing them (“watchdog reset” can mean lots 
of things, there were a couple of cases that we couldn’t reproduce).

Regarding the “Adobe connecting to review server” thing… ignore it.  That was 
likely an oversight on our part.  We use that server to allow multiple folks to 
review and comment on the release notes (you know, for version control, 
collaboration, etc.).  We were rushing a bit to get the documentation over the 
finish line this week before the holiday.

Alignment tone is there and working!

Let us know if you guys find anything else we should know about, this one was a 
long time coming… but we’re proud of the finished product.  Enjoy.

Happy 4th of July to all!

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:33 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Software 13.4

Hopefully the watchdog resets on 450 APs goes away. That is getting stupid on 
13.2.1. Just had another one about 10 minutes ago.
On 7/2/2015 7:50 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
We have been running 13.4 build 11 for some time now.   I have not seen any 
major issues with it.

The 450 build works fine on the 430 AP’s.

The only thing that I know was a problem was P8 FSK radios bricking when 
upgraded to build 11.   I have not read the release notes to see if the release 
version addresses that problem.

Mark


On Jul 2, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Bill Prince 
part15...@gmail.commailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:

There is an announcement on the 430 page that the 450 load should be used on 
430s needing to connect to a 450 AP.

How is this supposed to be managed? Is there a reason to actually load the 430 
firmware on a 430 (anything)?


bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On 7/2/2015 3:02 PM, George Skorup wrote:
I'm just about to look through the release notes. And then GTFO here for the 
long weekend!

They said the alignment tone issue required a new FPGA build. Guess they got it 
done for 13.4. AFAIK, this was only on the 450, PMP100 wasn't affected. Maybe 
it messed up the 430 too?

Combined firmware? You mean for 430 and 450? I guess so. But FSK is still a 
separate package.
On 7/2/2015 4:53 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
Definitely different than before. There are mentions of the alignment tone 
being fixed in the release notes but I'm not sure if it's for PMP450 or PMP100 
or what. Now that it's all combined firmware.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Ken Hohhof 
af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Is it just me, or was this distributed differently than in the past?  I don’t 
remember .zip files with the release notes inside.  Also when I opened the 
release notes, Adobe Reader wanted to connect to a “review server” and share my 
email address etc. with all other reviewers.  WTF?  Did I just hit some hotkey 
accidentally?

Also, I don’t see anything in the release notes about SM alignment tone.  
Didn’t this break from 13.2.1 to 13.3?  To be fixed in 13.4?  Or is my brain 
just not working today.  I thought it was 13.3 and all its progeny were dead to 
me because I can’t live without oxygen, water, and alignment tone.

Lots of cool stuff in 13.4, like sector wide SA, but I need my alignment tone.


From: Ryan Raymailto:ryan...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Software 13.4

Who's gonna be the first guinea pig? Make sure to do a 1000 unit upgrade and 
let us know how it goes :P

Re: [AFMUG] cambium entitlements

[Matt Mangriotis]

Sorry about this guys... we were using third party tools for licensing, and 
have moved this.  As usual, it could have been communicated better, so I 
apologize.

It should work nearly exactly the same, and if you're having trouble finding 
your entitlements, send me an email (m...@cambiumnetworks.com) or email support 
(supp...@cambiumnetworks.com) , and we'll get you sorted out.

(Note: we are still working to do keys in a better way... we have not forgotten 
the pain and suffering everyone endures on this front.)

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 5:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cambium entitlements

I suspect you will be fine if you still have the entitlement ID. I'm still 
trying to find the last one I had that I know has activations left. Damnit!

On 7/6/2015 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
 Hm, I see what you're talking about.

 entitlements.cambiumnetworks.com seems gone, replaced by 
 support.cambiumnetworks.com/entitlements which seems to work 
 differently.  I don't remember if I still had entitlements left or 
 not, I hope not because it seems they would be gone.


 -Original Message- From: George Skorup
 Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 5:01 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] cambium entitlements

 OK, WTF. Where did the old Cambium licensing site go? The poetic thing.
 None of my stuff transferred over. So now I have to go find the 10 to 
 20Mb entitlement that had a few activations remaining.

 And why the hell can I not just put purchased entitlements into my 
 account before any activations take place? That is stupid.

Re: [AFMUG] Software 13.4

[Matt Mangriotis]

This is the last hurrah for PMP 100…

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 12:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Software 13.4

It ain't dead yet.
On 7/2/2015 11:50 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

I thought they were done updating fsk
On Jul 2, 2015 11:01 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:
We spent a LOT of time on those George… we nailed many of them cold in 13.4.  
Please let us know if you’re still seeing them (“watchdog reset” can mean lots 
of things, there were a couple of cases that we couldn’t reproduce).

Regarding the “Adobe connecting to review server” thing… ignore it.  That was 
likely an oversight on our part.  We use that server to allow multiple folks to 
review and comment on the release notes (you know, for version control, 
collaboration, etc.).  We were rushing a bit to get the documentation over the 
finish line this week before the holiday.

Alignment tone is there and working!

Let us know if you guys find anything else we should know about, this one was a 
long time coming… but we’re proud of the finished product.  Enjoy.

Happy 4th of July to all!

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:33 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Software 13.4

Hopefully the watchdog resets on 450 APs goes away. That is getting stupid on 
13.2.1. Just had another one about 10 minutes ago.
On 7/2/2015 7:50 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
We have been running 13.4 build 11 for some time now.   I have not seen any 
major issues with it.

The 450 build works fine on the 430 AP’s.

The only thing that I know was a problem was P8 FSK radios bricking when 
upgraded to build 11.   I have not read the release notes to see if the release 
version addresses that problem.

Mark


On Jul 2, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Bill Prince 
part15...@gmail.commailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:

There is an announcement on the 430 page that the 450 load should be used on 
430s needing to connect to a 450 AP.

How is this supposed to be managed? Is there a reason to actually load the 430 
firmware on a 430 (anything)?



bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On 7/2/2015 3:02 PM, George Skorup wrote:
I'm just about to look through the release notes. And then GTFO here for the 
long weekend!

They said the alignment tone issue required a new FPGA build. Guess they got it 
done for 13.4. AFAIK, this was only on the 450, PMP100 wasn't affected. Maybe 
it messed up the 430 too?

Combined firmware? You mean for 430 and 450? I guess so. But FSK is still a 
separate package.
On 7/2/2015 4:53 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
Definitely different than before. There are mentions of the alignment tone 
being fixed in the release notes but I'm not sure if it's for PMP450 or PMP100 
or what. Now that it's all combined firmware.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Ken Hohhof 
af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Is it just me, or was this distributed differently than in the past?  I don’t 
remember .zip files with the release notes inside.  Also when I opened the 
release notes, Adobe Reader wanted to connect to a “review server” and share my 
email address etc. with all other reviewers.  WTF?  Did I just hit some hotkey 
accidentally?

Also, I don’t see anything in the release notes about SM alignment tone.  
Didn’t this break from 13.2.1 to 13.3?  To be fixed in 13.4?  Or is my brain 
just not working today.  I thought it was 13.3 and all its progeny were dead to 
me because I can’t live without oxygen, water, and alignment tone.

Lots of cool stuff in 13.4, like sector wide SA, but I need my alignment tone.


From: Ryan Raymailto:ryan...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Software 13.4

Who's gonna be the first guinea pig? Make sure to do a 1000 unit upgrade and 
let us know how it goes :P

Re: [AFMUG] Software 13.4

[Matt Mangriotis]

We spent a LOT of time on those George… we nailed many of them cold in 13.4.  
Please let us know if you’re still seeing them (“watchdog reset” can mean lots 
of things, there were a couple of cases that we couldn’t reproduce).

Regarding the “Adobe connecting to review server” thing… ignore it.  That was 
likely an oversight on our part.  We use that server to allow multiple folks to 
review and comment on the release notes (you know, for version control, 
collaboration, etc.).  We were rushing a bit to get the documentation over the 
finish line this week before the holiday.

Alignment tone is there and working!

Let us know if you guys find anything else we should know about, this one was a 
long time coming… but we’re proud of the finished product.  Enjoy.

Happy 4th of July to all!

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Software 13.4

Hopefully the watchdog resets on 450 APs goes away. That is getting stupid on 
13.2.1. Just had another one about 10 minutes ago.
On 7/2/2015 7:50 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
We have been running 13.4 build 11 for some time now.   I have not seen any 
major issues with it.

The 450 build works fine on the 430 AP’s.

The only thing that I know was a problem was P8 FSK radios bricking when 
upgraded to build 11.   I have not read the release notes to see if the release 
version addresses that problem.

Mark


On Jul 2, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Bill Prince 
part15...@gmail.commailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:

There is an announcement on the 430 page that the 450 load should be used on 
430s needing to connect to a 450 AP.

How is this supposed to be managed? Is there a reason to actually load the 430 
firmware on a 430 (anything)?




bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On 7/2/2015 3:02 PM, George Skorup wrote:
I'm just about to look through the release notes. And then GTFO here for the 
long weekend!

They said the alignment tone issue required a new FPGA build. Guess they got it 
done for 13.4. AFAIK, this was only on the 450, PMP100 wasn't affected. Maybe 
it messed up the 430 too?

Combined firmware? You mean for 430 and 450? I guess so. But FSK is still a 
separate package.
On 7/2/2015 4:53 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
Definitely different than before. There are mentions of the alignment tone 
being fixed in the release notes but I'm not sure if it's for PMP450 or PMP100 
or what. Now that it's all combined firmware.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Ken Hohhof 
af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Is it just me, or was this distributed differently than in the past?  I don’t 
remember .zip files with the release notes inside.  Also when I opened the 
release notes, Adobe Reader wanted to connect to a “review server” and share my 
email address etc. with all other reviewers.  WTF?  Did I just hit some hotkey 
accidentally?

Also, I don’t see anything in the release notes about SM alignment tone.  
Didn’t this break from 13.2.1 to 13.3?  To be fixed in 13.4?  Or is my brain 
just not working today.  I thought it was 13.3 and all its progeny were dead to 
me because I can’t live without oxygen, water, and alignment tone.

Lots of cool stuff in 13.4, like sector wide SA, but I need my alignment tone.


From: Ryan Raymailto:ryan...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Software 13.4

Who's gonna be the first guinea pig? Make sure to do a 1000 unit upgrade and 
let us know how it goes :P

Re: [AFMUG] 3650 registration

[Matt Mangriotis]

Why yes there is... there is a FCC Registration walkthrough at:

https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/#r3
Let me know if you are still missing any information.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 10:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 3650 registration

Is there someplace on the Cambium website that has a tutorial on registering 
locations?


I need the following info:
Transmit antenna transmission code
Transmit antenna transmission code if others apply?
Digital Modulation type
The specific band within the 3.65 band

Re: [AFMUG] 450 SM and 430 AP

[Matt Mangriotis]

No, this will not work.

The other way (PMP 450 AP to PMP 430 SMs) works, and is known as 
Interoperability Mode, but connecting a PMP 450 SM to a PMP 430 AP does not 
work (and never has, sorry Lewis).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 SM and 430 AP


Initially they could. I assume the newer software still let's them but I don't 
know for sure.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2015, 3:01 PM SmarterBroadband 
li...@smarterbroadband.commailto:li...@smarterbroadband.com wrote:
OL, I think I know the answer, but just to be sure.

Can a 450 5.7 SM connect to a 430 5.7 AP?