[AFMUG] New Book

[Travis Johnson]

After two years of work and lots of money, it's finally out:

http://jwcapital.com/book/

Today is our formal release date, so it would be helpful for us to get 
as many sales as possible today. :)


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] "Attack on trump" video

[Travis Johnson]

I agree with this statement 100%. I have said this about Trump for 
almost six months now, and everyone laughed. I'm tired of the same ol' 
same ol' lifetime politicians that take money from special interest 
groups to keep everything running.


It's time for a change. Say what you want about Trump, but even Fortune 
magazine has him at a $5 Billion Net Worth. Even if he did start with $1 
million from his dad 40 years ago, turning that into $5,000 million is 
pretty damn impressive.


Travis


On 3/13/2016 11:12 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:


Seriously Jaime, craven lackeys?  I guess I’ve been called worse.  Are 
you even curious why both the Republican establishment and George 
Soros are both out to get him?  And don’t you want to find out what 
would happen if we put a real businessman in the White House instead 
of some stooge? As businessmen yourselves, I thought you would respect 
that.  Instead, you are more interested in your ideology than your 
economic welfare.


There are those of us who simply want someone in power for once who 
isn’t owned by the establishment.  If that’s Trump, so be it.  I’d 
take Triumph, the Insult Comic dog over anything the Democrats have 
and clearly over Cruz or Rubio who have both tried to sell us out.  We 
are $19T in debt and it’s getting worse.  Other countries are bleeding 
us dry.   Hope and Change was a disaster and the corruption and 
immigration is worse, not better.  We are on the cusp of possibly 
electing the most evil liar ever, Hillary Clinton, and you think Trump 
would be worse without having any idea how he would govern.


Wow.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 9:36 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "Attack on trump" video

If someone really wants to get him no secret service is going to 
prevent it...and it doesn't have to a gun.   I don't want someone to 
kill him.  Thats not what are about..  how ugly that someone in crowd 
yells kill him about protester. Trumps followers are craven lackeys 
(old cold war term- blind followers in simple language ).   Sounded 
like a gladiator event.   Sad


On Mar 13, 2016 10:13 AM, "Josh Reynolds" > wrote:


I had never watched this before, but I came across it today.

https://video.twimg.com//ext_tw_video//708728294708015104//pu//vid//640x360//yHRkyZIQTjmheSW4.mp4 



"Kill him!"

"Kick his ass Donald!"... hah, I did laugh at the yelling

The very first thing I noticed was the super weird reactions by the
Secret Service. Pay attention to how long it takes for somebody to
actually stand in *front* of him, and then *behind* him. I know a bit
about VIP protection. Not a lot mind you, but a bit. They don't seem
the least bit worried that this was a simple misdirection to pull the
Secret Service's attention away from the real plan. Then they open his
circle of protection back up *very* quickly...

Maybe I'm overanalyzing the video, and maybe I'm thinking too highly
of the capabilities and training of the Secret Service... but this all
just looks like amateur hour to me.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Internet usage at a 500 person lan event.

[Travis Johnson]

Hi. How much do you charge each attendee?? What does it cost you to rent 
the facility?


Travis


On 4/6/2016 10:46 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:




This is the power panel i made.  We have six of these.  We dasey chain 
2 panels together and connect them to 3 200amp 208v 3 phase taps. 
 Each panel has 18 20amp breakers for a total of 108 breakers.  When i 
took the 700 amp measurement there was probably about 450 computers on 
at that time. So 84kw/450= 186watts per attendee.  My layout is design 
for 300 watts a computer with 6 computers per breaker.  This gets 
close to 70% of 20amps.  We used to trip breakers quite a lot back in 
the day but over the last few years power usage has dropped a lot. We 
are seeing more and more laptops and led monitors really have dropped 
power usage.


Finding a good venue is easy when you are small but when you get past 
50 computers you start to have issues.  We finally found a home that 
can handle are size.  It is a 48 lane bowling center with 3 basketball 
courts. They have a 75k transformer that is or was used when espn 
would telivise a pro event.   Plus the pin setters have huge 
transformers that have plenty of juice left.  Here is a list of a few 
items that we go through in finding a venue.


Most important is cooling power.  We use generators if we need them 
but cooling is the hardest thing when we have 500 computers plus 
people in the building.

Available power.  Try to avoid generators

Fiber internet
Being able to stay overnight
Food available over night
Enough bathrooms with 24/7 cleaning
Energy drink restrictions gamers need their "Bawls"
Table rentel
Good parking with easy access to drop of computers.
We added does the roof leak to the checklist we had a venue that would 
leak when it rained.


All in all i love doing it and our group has been doing it for almost 
15 years.  Over the last 5 years we joined lanfest and all procedes go 
to charity. 3 of our team is going down to Dreamhack austin in may. 
 They are in charge of the network for 2,000 person land.  I can't 
make it but we are already planning for the possibility of expanding 
it to 4,000 next year maybe.


Craig schmaderer
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 6:02 PM -0700, "David Milholen" 
> wrote:


We played the heck out of that MOD..
I think I still have an old server still configured with it..
 I was very feared when flying those choppers. Cant beat the mouse and 
keyboard LOL

Now its all about the HeavyMetal map on BF:Bad Company



On 4/6/2016 4:21 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 4/6/16 14:12, David wrote:

BF1942 and counter strike were the most popular



I spent a lot of time learning to fly in the desert combat mod. At 
first they laughed at me, later they feared me.


~Seth


--

[AFMUG] Taking some off the table

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

I'd love to hear some thoughts about when is a good time to take some 
money off the table. I know this is a very diverse group and sometimes 
the insight here is something you can't get anywhere else. LOL


I invested in a startup company 27 months ago. When I invested, the 
company was valued at $1M and I owned 10%. Over the course of time, the 
company has taken a few other investments along the way, so I now own 
8.27%. The company is now valued at $18M and several private equity 
funds have contacted the CEO about buying "secondary" shares of the 
company. So, I have the option to "take some off the table".


The company is growing amazingly fast... we just received an offer from 
one of the top investment companies in the country that they would 
invest up to $25M right now.


So, the question is: When is a good time to sell some shares (even just 
to get the original investment back)??


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Taking some off the table

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

This is a C corp business... no there are no taxes to be paid until we 
"cash out". We aren't taking any money out of the company at all right now.


Travis


On 4/6/2016 3:06 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Take enough off the table so that the taxes are paid.   Never know 
when you might end up holding the bag on one of those and getting that 
out of the way makes things easier to take if it goes TU for some 
reason.  From personal experience...


On 04/06/2016 01:46 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:

Hi,

I'd love to hear some thoughts about when is a good time to take some
money off the table. I know this is a very diverse group and sometimes
the insight here is something you can't get anywhere else. LOL

I invested in a startup company 27 months ago. When I invested, the
company was valued at $1M and I owned 10%. Over the course of time, the
company has taken a few other investments along the way, so I now own
8.27%. The company is now valued at $18M and several private equity
funds have contacted the CEO about buying "secondary" shares of the
company. So, I have the option to "take some off the table".

The company is growing amazingly fast... we just received an offer from
one of the top investment companies in the country that they would
invest up to $25M right now.

So, the question is: When is a good time to sell some shares (even just
to get the original investment back)??

Travis

[AFMUG] Toughbooks

[Travis Johnson]

Hey... Not sure if this is a good deal or not, but Woot has Toughbooks 
for sale right now:


http://computers.woot.com/plus/panasonic-toughbook-laptops-1?ref=cp_cnt_odet_cp_crum_2_wp

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Taking some off the table

[Travis Johnson]

No... fast growth startup companies don't pay dividends at all. Every 
penny goes back into the company.


Travis


On 4/6/2016 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Aren't you taking draws out of it every month/year?  Ride the growth 
up if it's getting bigger and bigger.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net 
<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:


Hi,

I'd love to hear some thoughts about when is a good time to take
some money off the table. I know this is a very diverse group and
sometimes the insight here is something you can't get anywhere
else. LOL

I invested in a startup company 27 months ago. When I invested,
the company was valued at $1M and I owned 10%. Over the course of
time, the company has taken a few other investments along the way,
so I now own 8.27%. The company is now valued at $18M and several
private equity funds have contacted the CEO about buying
"secondary" shares of the company. So, I have the option to "take
some off the table".

The company is growing amazingly fast... we just received an offer
from one of the top investment companies in the country that they
would invest up to $25M right now.

So, the question is: When is a good time to sell some shares (even
just to get the original investment back)??

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Taking some off the table

[Travis Johnson]

The idea is to build the company to a certain size, and then sell it 
someone bigger. We have some great opportunities to sell to places like 
IBM or Salesforce in the next 1-2 years. We would try and make it an all 
cash deal, and that's when we collect our money... (and then get to pay 
30% toward taxes).


Travis


On 4/6/2016 5:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
Who pays you that 1.5 million?  Some new investor coming in.  
Certainly not the company itself ?


- Original Message -
*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:35 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Taking some off the table

You're 27 months in and your $100K is now worth $1.5M?  I would
definitely
take at least $100K out.  Maybe take out $200K and invest half of
it in a
new startup.

That way you're a winner no matter what happens.

Your tax situation might affect the decision one way or the
other.  And if
things keep going this way, you will be setting up a charitable
trust like
Bill and Melinda Gates or Warren Buffet, because you don't know
what to do
with all your billions.


-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Taking some off the table

Hi,

I'd love to hear some thoughts about when is a good time to take some
money off the table. I know this is a very diverse group and sometimes
the insight here is something you can't get anywhere else. LOL

I invested in a startup company 27 months ago. When I invested, the
company was valued at $1M and I owned 10%. Over the course of
time, the
company has taken a few other investments along the way, so I now own
8.27%. The company is now valued at $18M and several private equity
funds have contacted the CEO about buying "secondary" shares of the
company. So, I have the option to "take some off the table".

The company is growing amazingly fast... we just received an offer
from
one of the top investment companies in the country that they would
invest up to $25M right now.

So, the question is: When is a good time to sell some shares (even
just
to get the original investment back)??

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

[Travis Johnson]

Good call. How long did you own the stock? If it was less than a year, 
remember the 40% capital gains tax on your profits. :(


Travis


On 4/5/2016 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I took my profits.  19.3%


-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 
05, 2016 9:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA
Why would you buy and hold a stock that pays no dividends? Wells Fargo 
(WFC) is a much better long term stock, paying 3.10% right now.


I think Tesla stock is going to take a dive very soon... the numbers 
just don't add up. With the current value at $246 per share, that puts 
them at a $32B market cap. They only sold 50,000 cars in all of 2015. 
Compare that with General Motors that sold almost 3 million cars and 
has a market cap of $45B... plus they are making money on every car, 
not losing money like Tesla.


Once the hype is over and cars don't start showing up as promised, the 
stock will tank fast. People are starting to compare Elon Musk to 
Donald Trump... big promises, big words, but no real follow through.


Travis


On 4/4/2016 2:03 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeah, let me know before that happens will ya?

I am wanting this to be a buy an hold stock.  Do I have the guts for 
that


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

When it goes down...

On 04/04/2016 12:33 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
UP 18% since I bought.  Wonder when I should sell 

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

[Travis Johnson]

Why would you buy and hold a stock that pays no dividends? Wells Fargo 
(WFC) is a much better long term stock, paying 3.10% right now.


I think Tesla stock is going to take a dive very soon... the numbers 
just don't add up. With the current value at $246 per share, that puts 
them at a $32B market cap. They only sold 50,000 cars in all of 2015. 
Compare that with General Motors that sold almost 3 million cars and has 
a market cap of $45B... plus they are making money on every car, not 
losing money like Tesla.


Once the hype is over and cars don't start showing up as promised, the 
stock will tank fast. People are starting to compare Elon Musk to Donald 
Trump... big promises, big words, but no real follow through.


Travis


On 4/4/2016 2:03 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeah, let me know before that happens will ya?

I am wanting this to be a buy an hold stock.  Do I have the guts for 
that


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

When it goes down...

On 04/04/2016 12:33 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
UP 18% since I bought.  Wonder when I should sell 

[AFMUG] OT: San Diego places to stay in May

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

I will be traveling to San Diego in May with my wife... looking for 
recommendations of nice places to stay. She would prefer an ocean-front 
hotel/condo/villa/house because she loves to walk and hang out on the beach.


thanks,

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Free PR ideas

[Travis Johnson]

Yes. I invested/partnered with them about six months ago. All four of 
them are an amazing and driven team. What they have accomplished in the 
last two years is totally crazy.


Travis


On 3/17/2016 9:41 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


Good article. I always wonder how some equate any work experience to 
entrepreneurship. I am sure the father that worked in law enforcement 
administration is smart and hard working but that experience, while 
valuable, is not entrepreneurship. It sounds as though they are doing 
fantastic. Is this one of your investments Travis?



On Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 10:36 AM Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Free Puerto Rico?

On Mar 17, 2016 9:09 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I love that honeybees are coming back. This is an exploding
market (well maybe like a quarter stick in a tree stump, no
like a Freedom deliver from a US bomber explosion). Im seeing
hive boxes in town more and more.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net
<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:

Yes, Jason has mentioned that. They have built an amazing
business in a very short time... within the first few
years of going to retail, they are in some of the top
retail stores across the nation... including True Value,
Tractor Supply, ACE Hardware, etc. They actually turned
Home Depot down last year because they couldn't meet the
P.O. production demands. We are working on getting that
back. :)

Travis



On 3/17/2016 8:55 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Interesting,  Jason  used to  work  for  me.  They
don't  know  how to spell  Tooele,  do they?

        -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 8:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Free PR ideas

Hi,

This is an article that we just got Forbes to write
for one of our
companies. She shared some great ideas on getting free
PR for her business:


http://www.forbes.com/sites/cherylsnappconner/2016/03/17/6-tips-for-getting-free-pr-from-harvest-lane-honey/#4497d17d60db


Travis






-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part
of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Travis Johnson]

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running 
is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, 
their entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's 
time for something different.


It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... 
instead of giving lip service for six months before the election, and 
then having them not do anything that they said. At least Trump is 
saying what he thinks.


Travis

On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the 
country.

He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.
He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I don’t 
care if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you just 
cannot act like that if you want to represent me and my interests.

*From:* Jaime Solorza 
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is bad 
for US.


On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:


Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.
And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the
winter Olympics here and really saved the day.
Kinda a favorite son.
*From:* Kurt Fankhauser 
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
What happened on Friday?

Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405 
fax. 419-617-0110 

On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


Latest polls in Utah show:
Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
(Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own
dick off on Friday).
Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Travis Johnson]

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah 
has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's 
a lot like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on 
the first page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what 
they even stand for.


Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote 
for Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, 
where they don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?


Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the 
last 40 years.


Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto 
insurance industry or perhaps a retired school principal?
IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative 
process and some military experience.
Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a 
resume.
Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of 
the hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.
I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year 
ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.

This is what he said after the Trump speech:
"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something 
and said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for 
president do and say, especially someone in the Republican Party."
"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running 
for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his 
politics, he can question your religion. I have a message for the 3 
million people in Utah for Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in 
Utah, and that's not how we roll in the United States of America."

*From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else 
running is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has 
wanted to be, their entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL 
changes. It's time for something different.


It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... 
instead of giving lip service for six months before the election, and 
then having them not do anything that they said. At least Trump is 
saying what he thinks.


Travis

On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the 
country.

He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.
He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I 
don’t care if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you 
just cannot act like that if you want to represent me and my interests.

*From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
*To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is 
bad for US.


On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.
And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the
winter Olympics here and really saved the day.
Kinda a favorite son.
*From:* Kurt Fankhauser <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
What happened on Friday?

Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405 
fax. 419-617-0110 

On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:


Latest polls in Utah show:
Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
(Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his
own dick off on Friday).
Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Travis Johnson]

Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we 
will never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will 
be Red... as always.


I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG 
time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not 
be associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything 
anymore. Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, 
they now believe "this". The parties have no real value or benefit, 
other than to keep thousands of people employed.


Travis


On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.


Have you been watching the news?

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

Even if it’s Hilary.

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, 
but maybe I’m wrong.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah 
has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think 
it's a lot like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" 
box on the first page, and never turn the book to even see who that is 
or what they even stand for.


Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote 
for Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% 
Mormon, where they don't allow women to hold any real leadership 
positions?


Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the 
last 40 years.


Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto
insurance industry or perhaps a retired school principal?

IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the
legislative process and some military experience.

Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a
resume.

Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some
of the hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.

I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100
year ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.

This is what he said after the Trump speech:

"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did
something and said something that I never thought I'd see a
candidate for president do and say, especially someone in the
Republican Party."

"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person
running for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you
question his politics, he can question your religion. I have a
message for the 3 million people in Utah for Mr. Donald Trump:
That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we roll in the
United States of America."

*From:*Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>

*Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else
running is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has
wanted to be, their entire life. Nobody else is going to make any
REAL changes. It's time for something different.

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think...
instead of giving lip service for six months before the election,
and then having them not do anything that they said. At least
Trump is saying what he thinks.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good
for the country.

He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.

He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces. 
I don’t care if he was running for the local chamber of

commerce, you just cannot act like that if you want to
represent me and my interests.

*From:*Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM

*To:*Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think
Trump is bad for US.

On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in
Utah.

And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned
around the winter Olympics here and really saved the day.

Kinda a favorite son.

*From:*Kurt F

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Travis Johnson]

Why would I give you odds? $100 bet, clean and simple. :)

Travis

On 3/21/2016 11:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?
*From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless 
of the candidate?


Travis


On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.
*From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we 
will never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states 
will be Red... as always.


I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a 
LONG time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, 
and not be associated with these "parties" that really don't mean 
anything anymore. Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 
years later, they now believe "this". The parties have no real value 
or benefit, other than to keep thousands of people employed.


Travis


On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.


Have you been watching the news?

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for 
Trump.


Even if it’s Hilary.

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman 
president, but maybe I’m wrong.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet 
Utah has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I 
think it's a lot like Idaho, that many people check the first 
"Republican" box on the first page, and never turn the book to even 
see who that is or what they even stand for.


Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would 
vote for Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% 
Mormon, where they don't allow women to hold any real leadership 
positions?


Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for 
the last 40 years.


Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto
insurance industry or perhaps a retired school principal?

IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the
legislative process and some military experience.

Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on
a resume.

Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe
some of the hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.

I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are
100 year ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.

This is what he said after the Trump speech:

"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did
something and said something that I never thought I'd see a
candidate for president do and say, especially someone in the
Republican Party."

"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person
running for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you
question his politics, he can question your religion. I have a
message for the 3 million people in Utah for Mr. Donald Trump:
That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we roll in
the United States of America."

*From:*Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>

*Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else
running is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has
wanted to be, their entire life. Nobody else is going to make
any REAL changes. It's time for something different.

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY
think... instead of giving lip service for six months before the
election, and then having them not do anything that they said.
At least Trump is saying what he thinks.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be
good for the country.

He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.

He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social
graces.  I don’t care if he was running for the local
chamber of commerce, you just cannot act like that if you
want to represent me and my interests.

*From:*Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Travis Johnson]

I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of 
the candidate?


Travis


On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.
*From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we 
will never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states 
will be Red... as always.


I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a 
LONG time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, 
and not be associated with these "parties" that really don't mean 
anything anymore. Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 
years later, they now believe "this". The parties have no real value 
or benefit, other than to keep thousands of people employed.


Travis


On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.


Have you been watching the news?

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for 
Trump.


Even if it’s Hilary.

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman 
president, but maybe I’m wrong.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet 
Utah has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I 
think it's a lot like Idaho, that many people check the first 
"Republican" box on the first page, and never turn the book to even 
see who that is or what they even stand for.


Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote 
for Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% 
Mormon, where they don't allow women to hold any real leadership 
positions?


Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the 
last 40 years.


Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto
insurance industry or perhaps a retired school principal?

IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the
legislative process and some military experience.

Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on
a resume.

Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some
of the hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.

I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100
year ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.

This is what he said after the Trump speech:

"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did
something and said something that I never thought I'd see a
candidate for president do and say, especially someone in the
Republican Party."

"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person
running for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you
question his politics, he can question your religion. I have a
message for the 3 million people in Utah for Mr. Donald Trump:
That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we roll in the
United States of America."

*From:*Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>

*Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else
running is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has
wanted to be, their entire life. Nobody else is going to make any
REAL changes. It's time for something different.

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY
think... instead of giving lip service for six months before the
election, and then having them not do anything that they said. At
least Trump is saying what he thinks.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good
for the country.

He may be a super skilled negotiator. He may be lots of things.

He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social
graces.  I don’t care if he was running for the local chamber
of commerce, you just cannot act like that if you want to
represent me and my interests.

*From:*Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM

*To:*Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think
Trump is bad for US.

On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCo

[AFMUG] Free PR ideas

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

This is an article that we just got Forbes to write for one of our 
companies. She shared some great ideas on getting free PR for her business:


http://www.forbes.com/sites/cherylsnappconner/2016/03/17/6-tips-for-getting-free-pr-from-harvest-lane-honey/#4497d17d60db

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Forbes article

[Travis Johnson]

Let's just say the third time's the charm. :)

Travis

On 3/3/2016 9:07 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Did you ever get on Shark Tank?

-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 9:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Forbes article

This is an article about one of the companies that I invested in about
18 months ago. In the last 18 months, we took it from $9,000 in annual
sales in 2014 to over $1 million in 2015. We are on track to do $2
million in 2016. :)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/cherylsnappconner/2016/03/03/for-great-pr-create-a-visual-product-get-your-story-down-fast/#2b2367343669 



Travis

[AFMUG] Forbes article

[Travis Johnson]

This is an article about one of the companies that I invested in about 
18 months ago. In the last 18 months, we took it from $9,000 in annual 
sales in 2014 to over $1 million in 2015. We are on track to do $2 
million in 2016. :)


http://www.forbes.com/sites/cherylsnappconner/2016/03/03/for-great-pr-create-a-visual-product-get-your-story-down-fast/#2b2367343669

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Forbes article

[Travis Johnson]

I think that would be awesome... but those guys are WAY out of my 
league... plus, I would want to be on the show with Mr. Wonderful... 
he's the smartest one of them all.


Travis


On 3/3/2016 9:07 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
You gonna be a shark on Shark Tank soon Travis?  You could take Mr. 
Wonderful's seat!


Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com <mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Mar 3, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net 
<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:


This is an article about one of the companies that I invested in 
about 18 months ago. In the last 18 months, we took it from $9,000 in 
annual sales in 2014 to over $1 million in 2015. We are on track to 
do $2 million in 2016. :)


http://www.forbes.com/sites/cherylsnappconner/2016/03/03/for-great-pr-create-a-visual-product-get-your-story-down-fast/#2b2367343669

Travis

[AFMUG] TSLA

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

Since the big release of the new Tesla model this last week, I've been 
reading up on the company in general. Here is an article that shows the 
real numbers that even Tesla isn't talking about:


http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/04/the-tesla-motors-inc-tsla-deception/

I agree with most of what they say... especially about the new Model 3. 
They already take an $8,000+ loss on the current model they sell for 
$80,000... there is no way they will be able to make a profit on a 
$35,000 - $40,000 car. The other issue is that all the major car 
companies will have their own fully electric cars out in the next 2-3 
years, and people would rather own a BMW or Mercedes if the price is the 
same. :)


The next 2-3 years could be critical for Tesla. I'm not sure how they 
are going to make it work with all the debt they already have on their 
books. Hopefully this doesn't become another Enron company.


I agree they have done more for the electric car industry than anyone, 
ever... but their business model just doesn't make sense. Musk himself 
has to keep putting his own money into the company just to keep it 
running. Imagine buying a $40,000 car and having them go out of business 
the next year... no warranty, no service... the car becomes worth 
$10,000 overnight. :(


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

[Travis Johnson]

I really don't understand the "pre-order" of a car that won't ship for 
almost two years. Hopefully they are paying you interest on your 
deposit?? LOL


Travis


On 3/31/2016 8:54 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

Gerard and I just put our pre-orders in..anyone else?

Regards,
Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] How long to Aim?

[Travis Johnson]

We could align a link at 10 miles within an hour, sometimes only 15 minutes.

Travis


On 4/1/2016 5:51 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

How long does it take three people to aim a 10 mile 11Ghz link with 3' dishes?

I don't know, it's still going on over three hours now...

[AFMUG] Ruckus buyout

[Travis Johnson]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/brocade-agrees-to-buy-ruckus-wireless-for-1-2-billion-1459777258

Re: [AFMUG] shareholder value

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

I'm not sure where you got the 1.5 times revenue number. Every single 
company I have invested or purchased is based on their EBIDTA number, 
not revenue. Generally I am around the 3x annual EBIDTA.


Travis


On 4/13/2016 9:14 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

Good morning -
Today we received notice at least one of our shareholders wishes to 
share his stock.
We have another shareholder who is the widow of one of our founding 
members who also should probably be considering selling - although she 
is not really thinking about it.  We do not know any of her relatives 
(nephew?) who would likely be the heir to her stock.  Her age is 
currently 81 I believe.
I know the "ongoing" value for a company is generally 1.5 times annual 
revenue, but the true value of what a company is worth is what someone 
is actually willing to pay for the stock.
Per our bylaws, the company has 30 days to make an offer before the 
stockholder hits the general market.

What advice can you give as to what kind of offer the company should give?
The stockholder likely does not know what the "market rate" is and 
very likely the market rate is not the same here in the deep south.
I am also curious as to what your thoughts may be on how the 
stockholder may try to sell his stock on the open market.  I feel sure 
it would not consist of a classified ad in the local paper. :)

Thanks in advance.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun note Fw: Dudley Lab - PHONE IS OUT

[Travis Johnson]

People's phones doesn't just stop working because employees are on 
strike... LOL


Travis


On 4/13/2016 9:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

*From:* Henry Dudley 
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 13, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* chuck 
*Subject:* Dudley Lab - PHONE IS OUT
  
logo

April 13, 2016
Hi All,

Our Main Phone line (732-240-6895) is out - VERIZON IS ON STRIKE
Please call us at:
732-286-4677 our 2nd line OR
732-995-8086 cell
Henry Dudley
hdud...@dudleylab.com
  

[AFMUG] GPRO

[Travis Johnson]

Hey anyone else get in on the GPRO stock a few weeks ago? Up 18% 
just today. :)


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] IOS app port

[Travis Johnson]

I just got more info:

It's written in Swift and the back-end server piece is written in PHP. 
There are roughly 40,000 lines of code on the app side and 9,000 lines 
of code on the PHP (server) side.


Travis


On 4/18/2016 3:48 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

Is it in Xcode or html/js?

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net 
<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:


Hi,

Does anyone have a good resource (company, developer, application,
etc) to enable an easy way to "port" a current IOS app (that I
have all the source code and everything for) to Android?

thanks,

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

This doesn't really surprise me. I had gotten quotes from them for 
transport years ago, and they were always 25% higher than Centurylink 
for the exact same service.


At one point, we even purchased bandwidth from them, and it was a 
disaster. They were one of four providers we had at the time, and the 
problem was they would make BGP changes on their network on almost a 
daily basis, which would cause us issues with our other providers. We 
only kept their service for a year.


Travis


On 4/23/2016 11:11 AM, Jeremy wrote:
I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs.  
They said that "they had been burned by a few of them".  I went to the 
top looking for answers.  They still service businesses, and surely 
they "have been burned by a few of them" as well.  He said that the 
failure rate was a bit higher with WISPs than businesses in general so 
they swore them off completely.  I offered to be a personal guarantor 
and my credit score is around 840.  They still wouldn't do business 
with me.  After negotiating with the CEO I got them to come to an 
agreement, $30K NRC up front.  There is already a conduit to the hand 
hole in front of my building where their fiber is. Needless to say, we 
passed on the offer.  Syringa doesn't seem to understand how business 
agreements work.  When they fail, there is recourse available.  I wish 
they would change their policies and do business with WISPs.  I'd be 
happy to open up my books to them and show them how wildly successful 
we are.  They have three redundant paths out of my valley and would be 
a great addition to our network.  They also have fiber sitting ten 
feet from like three of our towers.  Too bad


On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com 
<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:


As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs)
Syringa is a pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small
copper dialtone LECs (non Bell system) that each have a tiny
portion of the Idaho market. Idaho has a lot of small telephone
companies the size of Beehive or smaller that serve a few thousand
houses.

Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money
to run dark fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it...

http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/

http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net
<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:

Hi,

I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This
is the speedtest results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn
impressive considering this is running the test on a six year
old laptop with a basic Wifi chipset.

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Durable ice repellents

[Travis Johnson]

Black Hefty garbage bags are still the best thing we ever found.

Travis


On 4/28/2016 9:29 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


This is the wrong time of year for this, but it sure would help for a 
lot of equipment icing issues some of you guys see in the winter time.


This describes a polymer plus lubricant that can make a "durable" anti 
ice coating.


Hey Chuck, bet you are interested in this?


https://www.sciencenews.org/article/new-process-encourages-ice-slip-slide-away


--

bp

[AFMUG] Political Bet

[Travis Johnson]

Hey...

With the two presidential candidates now decided, I want to be clear 
about this $100 bet with me and Chuck... his claim was that Utah would 
vote Democrat before voting for Trump. I am still betting that Utah will 
vote Republican, which means Trump.


If Utah votes Democrat (Clinton), I will send a framed $100 bill to 
Chuck for him to hang on his wall. :)


Travis

[AFMUG] OT: Speed timing system

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

I am looking to purchase a simple speed timing system (wireless or 
wired) for my son's football team. It doesn't have to be "track" 
accurate, nor will it be used for any competitions. I am just trying to 
find a simple, automatic way for them to time the 40 yard dash for the 
players. Right now they still do it by hand, and it's SO inaccurate. I 
also don't want to spend thousands of dollars. LOL


Any leads or help is appreciated. :)

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Data center temperatures

[Travis Johnson]

We always kept our NOC temps around 72-74F... mainly because that would 
give us time if an A/C unit failed (or switched off due to power 
failure, etc.) to get physically to the NOC before temps reached above 
100F (which did happen a few times in my 16 years). Servers start 
shutting down when the air intake hits about 105F. LOL


Travis


On 5/11/2016 5:53 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Exactly...  Hence our love for the old MAE East...

On 05/11/2016 04:47 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Parking garages are generally hotter then hell or balls cold in my
experience.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Eric Kuhnke > wrote:

The temperature sensor location on a 6503/6506/6509 isn't really at
the 'raw' air intake, so it's showing warmer than it should be, but
yes that cabinet gets warm...  It's a couple of hundred watts heat
load in a ventilated box. I would estimate the actual intake air
temperature if you were to measure it manually with a thermometer is
26-27C on the right side of the 6503 as you're facing the front.

The parking garage is pretty much the ambient air temperature of the
city it's located in, but not exposed directly to sunlight.

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Josh Luthman
>
wrote:

104F air intake?  No way!!!

On May 11, 2016 7:15 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" > wrote:

Here's a chart from 2014, it's the air intake temperature
sensor for a cisco 6503 in a wall mounted cabinet 9' in the
air in a parking garage. The daily cycles are the ambient
air temperature in the garage changing.



On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Keefe John
> 
wrote:


We do 75 degrees



On 5/11/2016 5:51 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

This is related to the lubricant that is used in the
drives.   Seagate is to blame..   They discovered
higher spindle speeds require lubricants that like
higher temps...   There is a secondary effect due to
the way that magnetized materials flip and hold at
higher temps.   Again, my data may be old as I
worked in that industry 20 years ago..

On 05/11/2016 02:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yep, hot is good according to Google. Somewhere
there is a rotating
media study that shows they last longer at
higher temps.  Who woulda thunk.

-Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 2:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center temperatures

Ours is at 68deg F, and we monitor dewpoint and
humidity ranges.

However...
http://www.geek.com/chips/googles-most-efficient-data-center-runs-at-95-degrees-1478473/



On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

Just curious what the ideal temp is for a
data center.  Our really nice
building that Sprint ditched ranges from 60
to 90F (on a site monitor).

[AFMUG] GPRO stock

[Travis Johnson]

Hey... if anyone is looking for a 4-5 month stock with the possibility 
of a 50% return, you should take a look at GPRO. It's a great buy right 
now and I personally think it will hit $14-$15 again within the next six 
months. :)


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Merchant services

[Travis Johnson]

Well, after thinking about this more... he gave up 3% in the processing 
fees with IPPay... so really, it was a negative deal... so how many 
cheeseburgers is that? :)



Travis


On 4/15/2016 4:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I dunno, $400 is a lot of cheeseburgers.
*From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>
*Sent:* Friday, April 15, 2016 4:54 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Merchant services

This seems like it was a lot of work and issues and headaches (phone 
calls getting pre-auths, then calling again to double check, etc) all 
to get cashback rewards that probably equated to less than $400. Your 
time should be worth more than that as the CEO of a company.


Travis


On 4/15/2016 2:43 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:


I’ve received a few off-list request for my story and a couple here 
on-list.  I don’t mind sharing, I just didn’t want to come out with a 
rant about IPPay because that wasn’t my goal.  I share this 
experience because I really value this list and the contributions 
made by all you wonderful people. Few things have shaped my business 
and been as valuable of a resource as this list (beginning as 
Part-15.org to current), so thank you everyone!  (: Part of that 
awesomeness is sometimes sharing the less than stellar experiences we 
face, here’s mine with IP Pay.


1. I wanted to make a purchase that was not eligible for a CC payment 
and get the cash back rewards


2. I contacted Cap1 and asked if I could use one of those blank 
“courtesy checks” they send out to write to myself and basically get 
a cash advance plus then get the cash back rewards. They said no 
problem, but the checks are exempt from cash back rewards.


3. I asked if I as a business could run my own card into my own bank 
account for the cash rewards.  She said no problem, I asked her to 
research the Cap 1 Visa ToS to verify, she did and again no problem.  
I then asked her to triple verify by confirming with her supervisor, 
and again no problem.  They said if you have that resource to process 
your own card and you’re paying your minimum balances etc. it’s a 
non-issue.


4. I researched “Credit Card Kiting” which is the process of paying a 
credit card balance with another credit card- the practice is only a 
problem when there is deception involved.  Even the Wikipedia article 
demonstrates its OK when there is not deception.  And this isn’t even 
kiting, it’s just processing a credit card for cash in the bank.


5. We process a card for $20k

6. Tanya Krapil from IPPay halts the transaction,  holds the funds 
and emails me asking if it’s legit.  (lost a whole day of expected 
funds because of this)


7. I reply it’s legit.

8. Tayan demands invoices and “documentation” before she will release 
the funds.


9. I reply: “We don't share our invoices with parties not involved 
with the transaction, that is not only a breach of confidentiality 
but inappropriate for you to ask. While I can appreciate your concern 
for fraud I have, as the CEO of Velociter, already confirmed the 
legitimacy of this transaction. If at this time you are cause further 
delays in processing this transaction then I will consider your 
actions as unreasonable non-performance and a termination of our long 
standing business relationship.”


10. Tayna the replies that she will process this transaction.

11. Subsequently Tayna spoke telephonically with other staff and 
determined the card was employee owned.  Tayna said she’d process the 
payment but it isn’t a kosher practice.


12. Tayna then emails me to tell me just kidding, she’s not going to 
process the payment after all. (losing yet another day of expected funds)


My grief is that on a $20k tag Tayna doesn’t bother to pick up the 
phone and call, just arbitrarily held the funds and sent an email.  
Then she said two times that she would indeed process the payment 
only to then change her mind later.  It’s horrible customer service 
to say one thing and then not honor it, even if you made a mistake.  
I’m particularly bothered by her asking for “invoices and 
documentation” to support the charge; the US in particular is getting 
so used to sacrificing our privacy and freedoms.  Tayna is demanding 
I send over information that completely out of her sphere of concern.


Tayna is citing that it’s a Visa policy not process your own card, 
but has provided no documentation to support that.  There is no 
deception involved, we called and pre-authorized the transaction with 
Cap1 on a recorded call and Cap1 gave their blessing.  I contract 
with IPPay to process the CC cards I enter, nothing more.  Even if 
there is some obscure Visa ToS that prohibits this transaction for 
this specific reason (this is **not** credit card kiting) Tayna’s 
lack of professionalism and the subsequent headache it’s caused me 
finished my company’s business relationship with IPPay.  And I would 
greatly question who is the enforcement of Visa’s ToS, the merchant 
or

Re: [AFMUG] Merchant services

[Travis Johnson]

This seems like it was a lot of work and issues and headaches (phone 
calls getting pre-auths, then calling again to double check, etc) all to 
get cashback rewards that probably equated to less than $400. Your time 
should be worth more than that as the CEO of a company.



Travis



On 4/15/2016 2:43 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:


I’ve received a few off-list request for my story and a couple here 
on-list.  I don’t mind sharing, I just didn’t want to come out with a 
rant about IPPay because that wasn’t my goal.  I share this experience 
because I really value this list and the contributions made by all you 
wonderful people.  Few things have shaped my business and been as 
valuable of a resource as this list (beginning as Part-15.org to 
current), so thank you everyone!  (:  Part of that awesomeness is 
sometimes sharing the less than stellar experiences we face, here’s 
mine with IP Pay.


1. I wanted to make a purchase that was not eligible for a CC payment 
and get the cash back rewards


2. I contacted Cap1 and asked if I could use one of those blank 
“courtesy checks” they send out to write to myself and basically get a 
cash advance plus then get the cash back rewards. They said no 
problem, but the checks are exempt from cash back rewards.


3. I asked if I as a business could run my own card into my own bank 
account for the cash rewards.  She said no problem, I asked her to 
research the Cap 1 Visa ToS to verify, she did and again no problem.  
I then asked her to triple verify by confirming with her supervisor, 
and again no problem.  They said if you have that resource to process 
your own card and you’re paying your minimum balances etc. it’s a 
non-issue.


4. I researched “Credit Card Kiting” which is the process of paying a 
credit card balance with another credit card- the practice is only a 
problem when there is deception involved.  Even the Wikipedia article 
demonstrates its OK when there is not deception.  And this isn’t even 
kiting, it’s just processing a credit card for cash in the bank.


5. We process a card for $20k

6. Tanya Krapil from IPPay halts the transaction,  holds the funds and 
emails me asking if it’s legit.  (lost a whole day of expected funds 
because of this)


7. I reply it’s legit.

8. Tayan demands invoices and “documentation” before she will release 
the funds.


9. I reply: “We don't share our invoices with parties not involved 
with the transaction, that is not only a breach of confidentiality but 
inappropriate for you to ask. While I can appreciate your concern for 
fraud I have, as the CEO of Velociter, already confirmed the 
legitimacy of this transaction. If at this time you are cause further 
delays in processing this transaction then I will consider your 
actions as unreasonable non-performance and a termination of our long 
standing business relationship.”


10. Tayna the replies that she will process this transaction.

11. Subsequently Tayna spoke telephonically with other staff and 
determined the card was employee owned.  Tayna said she’d process the 
payment but it isn’t a kosher practice.


12. Tayna then emails me to tell me just kidding, she’s not going to 
process the payment after all. (losing yet another day of expected funds)


My grief is that on a $20k tag Tayna doesn’t bother to pick up the 
phone and call, just arbitrarily held the funds and sent an email.  
Then she said two times that she would indeed process the payment only 
to then change her mind later. It’s horrible customer service to say 
one thing and then not honor it, even if you made a mistake.  I’m 
particularly bothered by her asking for “invoices and documentation” 
to support the charge; the US in particular is getting so used to 
sacrificing our privacy and freedoms.  Tayna is demanding I send over 
information that completely out of her sphere of concern.


Tayna is citing that it’s a Visa policy not process your own card, but 
has provided no documentation to support that.  There is no deception 
involved, we called and pre-authorized the transaction with Cap1 on a 
recorded call and Cap1 gave their blessing.  I contract with IPPay to 
process the CC cards I enter, nothing more.  Even if there is some 
obscure Visa ToS that prohibits this transaction for this specific 
reason (this is **not** credit card kiting) Tayna’s lack of 
professionalism and the subsequent headache it’s caused me finished my 
company’s business relationship with IPPay.  And I would greatly 
question who is the enforcement of Visa’s ToS, the merchant or the 
issuing bank.  I’d lean heavily towards the issuing bank.


Anyhow, thanks for the feedback and suggestions of other merchants.

Scott

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Friday, April 15, 2016 11:35
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Merchant services

Same.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Re: [AFMUG] GPRO

[Travis Johnson]

They just hired one of the top designers away from Apple... it hit the 
news today, thus an 18% stock value jump.


The next jump will be when they release their new drone at the end of 
this month. :)


Travis


On 4/13/2016 1:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I saw a news story the other day about femtosatellites and being able 
to send your own GoPro into space.  But now that I check the story, 
what it says is that it would be LIKE your own GoPro in space.  But 
maybe other people misread it, too.

*From:* Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 13, 2016 2:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPRO
Billion a year and the stock is just under $14?  Lol.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net 
<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:


Hey anyone else get in on the GPRO stock a few weeks ago? Up
18% just today. :)

Travis

[AFMUG] IOS app port

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

Does anyone have a good resource (company, developer, application, etc) 
to enable an easy way to "port" a current IOS app (that I have all the 
source code and everything for) to Android?


thanks,

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[Travis Johnson]

This is their "satellite" group that now resells Rise internet. They 
kept the Big Dog name even after selling the WISP to JAB/Rise.


Travis


On 5/24/2016 4:03 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

They didn't change their name to Rise?

-Original Message----- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 
2016 3:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] old competition

Hey...

It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the 
brand new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live 
with it for a year. LOL


Travis

[AFMUG] old competition

[Travis Johnson]

Hey...

It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the 
brand new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live 
with it for a year. LOL


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] GPRO

[Travis Johnson]

I think Fitbit will be a good one... it would have to be a little longer 
term play... probably closer to 9-10 months... after the holiday season 
sales and they report their 4Q earnings. Of course, GPRO will probably 
have similar results after they release their drone in time for holiday 
shopping. :)


Travis


On 7/14/2016 10:45 AM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

I bought in..now I'm debating how long to let it ride..  got any more hot tips? 
:)



On Jul 14, 2016, at 10:35 AM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:

Hopefully people that invested in GPRO when I suggested a few months ago are 
making some money this week?? :)

I still think it will go to $14-$15 over the next 3-4 months... but you never 
want to get greedy with the stock market either... LOL

Travis

[AFMUG] GPRO

[Travis Johnson]

Hopefully people that invested in GPRO when I suggested a few months ago 
are making some money this week?? :)


I still think it will go to $14-$15 over the next 3-4 months... but you 
never want to get greedy with the stock market either... LOL


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] GPRO

[Travis Johnson]

Fitbit has a huge lead in the market right now. My wife is a fitness 
person (and has been for 20+ years). She has tried over 10 different 
"bands" over the last 3-4 years, and her favorite is the Fitbit Charge 
HR that she now wears. It's light, has a heart rate monitor, is 
accurate, looks good, lasts for 4-5 days, tracks sleep, and ties into 
their app on her phone. It's also available for $89 brand new on ebay 
right now. :)


A smartphone doesn't replace a real camera if you want real quality. I 
still wear a watch (more as a fashion item, but still). I still have a 
calculator sitting on my desk, because it's faster and easier than 
having to open my phone, start the app, etc.


Everything is a "fad"... it's a matter of how long that "fad" lasts. :)

Travis


On 7/14/2016 12:11 PM, Chris Wright wrote:

Does anyone seriously think Fitbit has any stay power at all? To me it's like 
another Atkins fad. Even if the fitness craze as a whole is not a fad, smart 
phones/watches have done a good job at replacing the home video camera, still 
camera, pocket calculator, watch, dictionary, compass, etc. Add the Fitbit to 
the list real soon - if not already.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 10:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPRO

I think Fitbit will be a good one... it would have to be a little longer term 
play... probably closer to 9-10 months... after the holiday season sales and 
they report their 4Q earnings. Of course, GPRO will probably have similar 
results after they release their drone in time for holiday shopping. :)

Travis


On 7/14/2016 10:45 AM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

I bought in..now I'm debating how long to let it ride..  got any more
hot tips? :)



On Jul 14, 2016, at 10:35 AM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:

Hopefully people that invested in GPRO when I suggested a few months
ago are making some money this week?? :)

I still think it will go to $14-$15 over the next 3-4 months... but
you never want to get greedy with the stock market either... LOL

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] GPRO

[Travis Johnson]

You get what you pay for... I have always believed that, and used that 
as my mentality during my WISP years. Seems to be working for Apple too. :)


Travis


On 7/14/2016 1:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


That's my point in the opposite direction. If price were no object, 
perhaps the whole world would have iPhones. Unfortunately for Apple, 
price is an object, and most people in the world have gone the other way.


I think it's the same thing for GoPro.

If GoPro only wants to sell in the US, then fine. It's a big world out 
there.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 7/14/2016 12:27 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Sure, but the point is there are plenty of people that will buy 
something just because of the brand, even if there are alternatives 
that are cheaper and better (or at least that look better on paper).


On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com 
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


80% of the people in the world (not just the US) buy Android.
iPhone is mainly a US phenomenon. First world problem I guess.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 7/14/2016 12:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Just playing devil's advocate here...your same logic would
suggest no one ever buys an iPhone.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

There is a lot more competition in that space now, and many
of the competitors products are both pretty darn good, and a
lot less expensive. If I was in the market, I wouldn't
automatically get a GoPro. Just sayin' if I'm thinking that
way, I'm betting a lot of other people are too.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

    On 7/14/2016 11:54 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

It won't matter if it's disruptive or not... it's coming
from GoPro, who has a HUGE following. Everyone will want
one and buy one as soon as they can... sales go through
the roof, stock price goes up... sell your stock at that
point.

The stock was as high as $80+ per share in the last two
years... it's at $12 today... surely it has room to grow
to $15 - $20 per share. :)

Travis


On 7/14/2016 11:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

If the drone is somewhat disruptive. Nobody has seen
it yet and there are a ton of drones out there.

        -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 11:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPRO

I think Fitbit will be a good one... it would have
to be a little longer
term play... probably closer to 9-10 months... after
the holiday season
sales and they report their 4Q earnings. Of course,
GPRO will probably
have similar results after they release their drone
in time for holiday
shopping. :)

Travis


On 7/14/2016 10:45 AM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

I bought in..now I'm debating how long to let it
ride..  got any more hot tips? :)


        On Jul 14, 2016, at 10:35 AM, Travis Johnson
<t...@ida.net <mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:

Hopefully people that invested in GPRO when
I suggested a few months ago are making some
money this week?? :)

I still think it will go to $14-$15 over the
next 3-4 months... but you never want to get
greedy with the stock market either... LOL

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review

[Travis Johnson]

I just went to a Bon Jovi concert about a year ago... one of the best 
concerts I have ever been to... he was on stage performing for almost 3 
hours straight... pretty amazing.


Travis


On 7/22/2016 4:01 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I guess it’s been awhile since I’ve been to an IMAX theater, the last 
time was to see Shine A Light.  Took my son.  He got the genuine rock 
concert experience - he was deaf for about 2 days.  (although it’s 
tough to tell if a millennial is deaf or just ignoring you)  Your dB 
meter would probably have been off the scale.
Both my kids are probably deaf because of me, I took my daughter to a 
Bon Jovi concert when she was about 10 (her idea, not mine).  Everyone 
but the two of us were of the age to have been teenagers in 1985, I 
guess hair bands have a very specific fan base.

*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2016 4:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review
I have a dB spl app on my I phone.  I see many movies exceeding 90 dBm 
and that is uncomfortable for me.

85 is a nice comfortable limit.  Even with my old ears.
My kids are fine watching a move at 75 or 80.
I broke it out in church last week because I thought the organist was 
a bit heavy on the gas pedal.  Yep, he was hitting 92 dB.

*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
*Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2016 3:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review
Star Trek:. Beyond
The first thing I noticed was how ultimately large the IMAX screen is.
I also thought the speakers are incredibly loud.  Maybe even louder 
than Chuck mccown's personal home theatre.
The acting was supurb...the audience is very patient and of the mixed 
race variety.
The local advertisements and "screen vision" promos prevented parts of 
the showing from being overly boringbut just barely.
Stay tuned for further developments / breaking news.  Showing starts 
in 25 minutes.

Maybe I'll even beat Mccown to the review..
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

[AFMUG] Fitbit stock

[Travis Johnson]

Well did anyone take my advice and buy Fitbit stock a month ago? You 
could have made 8% just today... that's 96% APR. :)


Travis

[AFMUG] Netflix Speed Test

[Travis Johnson]

Hey... not sure if everyone saw this... Netflix just released their own 
speed test system. It has a web interface, but they also released apps 
for IOS and Android. They claim it runs on "the same servers" as the 
actual content, so it provides more accurate results.


http://www.phonearena.com/news/Netflixs-Fast-Speed-Test-service-gets-native-iOS-and-Android-apps_id84033

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Netflix Speed Test

[Travis Johnson]

I just realized this is fast.com. I wonder how much they had to pay for 
that domain??


Travis


On 8/10/2016 7:41 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
Hey... not sure if everyone saw this... Netflix just released their 
own speed test system. It has a web interface, but they also released 
apps for IOS and Android. They claim it runs on "the same servers" as 
the actual content, so it provides more accurate results.


http://www.phonearena.com/news/Netflixs-Fast-Speed-Test-service-gets-native-iOS-and-Android-apps_id84033 



Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

[Travis Johnson]

Just saying that government money is never what it's cracked up to be. 
I've never taken a single dime (loan, grant, tax, assessment, etc) and 
probably never will, with any of my companies. It's just not worth all 
the extra work and headaches. If you have a sound business plan and 
operation, just borrow the money and get it done.


There are all kinds of ways to be creative when it comes to funding. 
Leasing equipment, 60 day term credit cards, lines of credit (secured 
with assets of the business), or even home equity loans (4.25% right 
now, with interest only payments), etc.


Travis


On 8/11/2016 10:52 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Definitely.

Travis, are you just generally saying the money comes with strings attached, or 
do you have actual specific experience with Special Assessment in this manner?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

Yeah, good people find themselves in legal trouble all the time when getting 
involved with guvmnt money.  Less than zero tolerance for even the appearance 
of evil.

-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

You better build in an additional 100% for overhead costs... I would imagine 
you would have to start doing audited tax returns and financials every year. 
You will also have to have someone tracking every single expense and what it is 
attached to, etc.

Then you will have all the overhead and administrative costs for managing the 
paperwork and government related money.

Travis

On 8/11/2016 10:21 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Has anyone here ever done a special assessment funded project?

I have a couple of examples in Utah/Idaho, but am looking for specific
examples and advice from my provider friends here.

I'm not sure if it's called something else in other states so this is
what I have been told:

You talk to a land developer, get them to partner up with your company
and the city.
They allow a tax or assessment item to be attached to the developed
lot/unit for around 20 years.
Sometime like $150 a year, so $3000 total over the period.
The city council agrees and creates a bond type item for that and your
company gets a check for the total amount times number of properties.
Then you work with the developer to install all of the necessary stuff
for internet, which is fiber in my case.

And the new property owner has your service available from the get go,
maybe with free install, and a $150 a year discount on the service for
20 years.

Anyone done anything like this?

Re: [AFMUG] Special Assessment

[Travis Johnson]

You better build in an additional 100% for overhead costs... I would 
imagine you would have to start doing audited tax returns and financials 
every year. You will also have to have someone tracking every single 
expense and what it is attached to, etc.


Then you will have all the overhead and administrative costs for 
managing the paperwork and government related money.


Travis

On 8/11/2016 10:21 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Has anyone here ever done a special assessment funded project?

I have a couple of examples in Utah/Idaho, but am looking for specific examples 
and advice from my provider friends here.

I'm not sure if it's called something else in other states so this is what I 
have been told:

You talk to a land developer, get them to partner up with your company and the 
city.
They allow a tax or assessment item to be attached to the developed lot/unit 
for around 20 years.
Sometime like $150 a year, so $3000 total over the period.
The city council agrees and creates a bond type item for that and your company 
gets a check for the total amount times number of properties.
Then you work with the developer to install all of the necessary stuff for 
internet, which is fiber in my case.

And the new property owner has your service available from the get go, maybe 
with free install, and a $150 a year discount on the service for 20 years.

Anyone done anything like this?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta failure

[Travis Johnson]

They keep all their servers in the same central location?? You would 
think someone the size of Delta would know better. They should look into 
this new thing called "the cloud"... I've heard it's an up-and-coming 
new technology that might really help them. LOL


Travis


On 8/9/2016 5:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
“According to the flight captain of JFK-SLC this morning, a routine 
scheduled switch to the backup generator this morning at 2:30am caused 
a fire that destroyed both the backup and the primary. Firefighters 
took a while to extinguish the fire. Power is now back up and 400 out 
of the 500 servers rebooted, still waiting for the last 100 to have 
the whole system fully functional”
Many running on XP I am told.  “Server has been up for 6.3 years, 
never reboot this server...”

Re: [AFMUG] Fitbit stock

[Travis Johnson]

I never said I was sure about my picks... people asked if I had any 
other suggestions. I told them Fitbit about 30 days ago it's now up 
15% over those 30 days... sometimes you just get lucky. :)


Travis


On 8/3/2016 10:23 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
If Travis is sure about his picks, then he stands to earn 20% of the 
take with no skin in the game.  Of course there is that minor tiny 
downside risk 

*From:* Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 03, 2016 10:21 AM
*To:* af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fitbit stock
It would probably make it slightly difficult to get many investors 
after the first few...
On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software 
<mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:


I'm not sure a ponzi scheme works very well if every single
investor knows it's a ponzi scheme

On 8/3/2016 10:23 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Federal prison isnt that bad
but is it really a ponzi scheme if everyone invested knows what
it is?
On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Simon Westlake
<simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:

Now there's a business idea. If we all do it, he could be the
next Bernie Madoff. Just make sure I'm towards the top of the
pyramid so I get my money out first!


On 8/3/2016 8:41 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Hey Travis,
How about you manage some money for me.  I give you 20% of
the realized gains but you agree to cover any losses?

    -----Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 6:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Fitbit stock

Well did anyone take my advice and buy Fitbit stock a
month ago? You
could have made 8% just today... that's 96% APR. :)

Travis



-- 
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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email:simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>
Phone:(702) 447-1247 <tel:%28702%29%20447-1247>
---
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The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.


-- 
Simon Westlake

Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email:simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>
Phone:(702) 447-1247 <tel:%28702%29%20447-1247>
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Fitbit stock

[Travis Johnson]

I was never suggesting Fitbit as a long term stock... it was a 3 month 
play, that actually happened in one month... 15% return in 30 days is 
pretty good. I would never invest long term (over a year) in a single 
stock... all of my long term investments are in mutual funds, etc from 
places like Vanguard and Oppenheimer and T Rowe Price. They are seeing 
6-10% annual returns depending on which fund (I currently have eight).


These single stock picks (like GoPro and Fitbit) are just play money... 
put a little in, and hope for 10-15% returns in a few months. :)


Travis


On 8/3/2016 11:45 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:


The whole investment thing is made up of risk so what’s a bit more? ;)

I’m personally not a big fan of Fitbit stock – massive declines at 
each of its first quarterly reports .. down 70% on 52 week high ….


Their sales model is very weak and filled with a lot of competition so 
don’t see this stock going back a significant amount long term ..


Just one person’s opinion and with investments you’ll find a LOT of 
opinions… some right, some wrong …


Paul

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* August 3, 2016 12:24 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fitbit stock

If Travis is sure about his picks, then he stands to earn 20% of the 
take with no skin in the game.  Of course there is that minor tiny 
downside risk 


*From:*Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Wednesday, August 03, 2016 10:21 AM

*To:*af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Fitbit stock

It would probably make it slightly difficult to get many investors 
after the first few...


On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software 
<mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:


I'm not sure a ponzi scheme works very well if every single
investor knows it's a ponzi scheme

On 8/3/2016 10:23 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Federal prison isnt that bad

but is it really a ponzi scheme if everyone invested knows
what it is?

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Simon Westlake
<simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:

Now there's a business idea. If we all do it, he could be
the next Bernie Madoff. Just make sure I'm towards the top
of the pyramid so I get my money out first!

On 8/3/2016 8:41 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Hey Travis,
How about you manage some money for me.  I give you
20% of the realized gains but you agree to cover any
losses?

    -----Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 6:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Fitbit stock

Well did anyone take my advice and buy Fitbit
stock a month ago? You
could have made 8% just today... that's 96% APR. :)

Travis

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Skype: Simon_Sonar

Email: simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>

Phone: (702) 447-1247 <tel:%28702%29%20447-1247>

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Sonar Software Inc

The next generation of ISP billing and OSS

https://sonar.software



-- 


If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part
of the team.



-- 


Simon Westlake

Skype: Simon_Sonar

Email: simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>

Phone: (702) 447-1247 <tel:%28702%29%20447-1247>

---

Sonar Software Inc

The next generation of ISP billing and OSS

https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

[Travis Johnson]

I understand that... but I don't think it's the kind of product and 
people that will see an ad on FB, and click to buy right then. Most of 
his customers are buying through distribution and other sources, so I'm 
not sure he would see much ROI using FB ads.


Travis


On 8/12/2016 10:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

actually, i beg to differ.  FB gives you the tools to pinpoint his market

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net 
<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:


You have a very small population to cater to... and most of them
probably don't use FB. LOL

Travis


On 8/11/2016 11:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I wish you could teach me how to use FB for marketing. I
finally stopped paying google and bing and my sales have gone
way up.  Go figure.

-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

So... Google is going to do what WISP's have been doing for 20
years
(before they were even called WISPs). That's hilarious.

"Fiber! Fiber! Fiber! That is the answer to everything. We are
doing
fiber everywhere!"
"Fiber is expensive, and we can never get an ROI with that
model...
let's look at wireless."

I'm still laughing... a company that size, with those
resources, and yet
they still seem to be clueless sometimes. I'm in agreement, I
doubt
Google will even be around in 20 years. I own several e-commerce
companies (multi-million dollar ones), and we don't spend a
dime with
Google. One company spends $5k/month with Facebook and it
generates
$400k in sales, per month.

Google is becoming "old school"... the same way email is
compared to
texting... and the way texting/FB/Instagram is compared to
Snapchat.
These companies get big, really fast... but the problem is,
that means
someone else can do the same thing.

Travis


On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Sorry to sound like not a google fanboy but it's a typical
phd company.. They look at the paper pile before the
experience pile...  & yes they will eventually go down
because of it...

On 08/11/2016 03:24 PM, Brian Webster wrote:

Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber
projects, I can tell you there are a number of factors
that caused them to take pause on the deployments. One
was the almost obstructionist attitude of pole owners
(read competitors to their broadband deployment). This
forced a lot more of the project deigns to underground
deployment. In cities like San Jose and San Francisco,
there were a lot of requirements that cost more money
than Google budgeted for. In some respects Google kind
of had the idea that cities would remove obstacles
like that to get them in their city. With so much
existing broadband already in place, this is certainly
not the case. I think Google thought all cities were
going to have the attitude like they had with the
first cities who applied for Google to come to their
cities (Like Kansas City did).

Google was also of the impression that they could
design and permit their networks and then cherry pick
neighborhoods to deploy based on pre-sign ups (in
Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a huge
logistic problem in planning construction especially
with underground deployment. This also drove up costs.

Google is still investigating the wireless options.
What you will see from them should be a hybrid network
system. They will buy up dark fiber, capacity on lit
fiber, conduit space and whole fiber systems where
they can. They may use microwave to cross connect
systems or bridge high construction cost areas such as
railroad crossings. They are looking at wireless to
basically go more from the curb to the customer,
especially in MDU cases. Existing competition and/or
existing contracts within an MDU makes it risky to do
a wired play if they cannot assure themselves of a
huge take rate within the MDU. I see their wireless
play as more of a high capacity short hop last mile,
b

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

[Travis Johnson]

I can text and send pics to anyone that I already have in my contacts... 
I have no need to do anything else. When I ask my kids what the big deal 
is with Snapchat, all they can say is "it's faster this way". I can do 
everything they can do, without having to be on ANOTHER social media 
network.


Travis


On 8/12/2016 9:56 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Snapchat is no longer either a teen app nor its for nudes... like 
every app, it evolves ... If you guys are not keeping pace with the 
digital evolution... you turn into dinosaurs...


On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net 
<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:


You have a very small population to cater to... and most of them
probably don't use FB. LOL

Travis


On 8/11/2016 11:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I wish you could teach me how to use FB for marketing. I
finally stopped paying google and bing and my sales have gone
way up.  Go figure.

-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

So... Google is going to do what WISP's have been doing for 20
years
(before they were even called WISPs). That's hilarious.

"Fiber! Fiber! Fiber! That is the answer to everything. We are
doing
fiber everywhere!"
"Fiber is expensive, and we can never get an ROI with that
model...
let's look at wireless."

I'm still laughing... a company that size, with those
resources, and yet
they still seem to be clueless sometimes. I'm in agreement, I
doubt
Google will even be around in 20 years. I own several e-commerce
companies (multi-million dollar ones), and we don't spend a
dime with
Google. One company spends $5k/month with Facebook and it
generates
$400k in sales, per month.

Google is becoming "old school"... the same way email is
compared to
texting... and the way texting/FB/Instagram is compared to
Snapchat.
These companies get big, really fast... but the problem is,
that means
someone else can do the same thing.

Travis


On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Sorry to sound like not a google fanboy but it's a typical
phd company.. They look at the paper pile before the
experience pile...  & yes they will eventually go down
because of it...

On 08/11/2016 03:24 PM, Brian Webster wrote:

Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber
projects, I can tell you there are a number of factors
that caused them to take pause on the deployments. One
was the almost obstructionist attitude of pole owners
(read competitors to their broadband deployment). This
forced a lot more of the project deigns to underground
deployment. In cities like San Jose and San Francisco,
there were a lot of requirements that cost more money
than Google budgeted for. In some respects Google kind
of had the idea that cities would remove obstacles
like that to get them in their city. With so much
existing broadband already in place, this is certainly
not the case. I think Google thought all cities were
going to have the attitude like they had with the
first cities who applied for Google to come to their
cities (Like Kansas City did).

Google was also of the impression that they could
design and permit their networks and then cherry pick
neighborhoods to deploy based on pre-sign ups (in
Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a huge
logistic problem in planning construction especially
with underground deployment. This also drove up costs.

Google is still investigating the wireless options.
What you will see from them should be a hybrid network
system. They will buy up dark fiber, capacity on lit
fiber, conduit space and whole fiber systems where
they can. They may use microwave to cross connect
systems or bridge high construction cost areas such as
railroad crossings. They are looking at wireless to
basically go more from the curb to the customer,
especially in MDU cases. Existing competition and/or
existing contracts within an MDU makes it risky to do
a wired play if they cannot assure themselves of a
 

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

[Travis Johnson]

So... Google is going to do what WISP's have been doing for 20 years 
(before they were even called WISPs). That's hilarious.


"Fiber! Fiber! Fiber! That is the answer to everything. We are doing 
fiber everywhere!"
"Fiber is expensive, and we can never get an ROI with that model... 
let's look at wireless."


I'm still laughing... a company that size, with those resources, and yet 
they still seem to be clueless sometimes. I'm in agreement, I doubt 
Google will even be around in 20 years. I own several e-commerce 
companies (multi-million dollar ones), and we don't spend a dime with 
Google. One company spends $5k/month with Facebook and it generates 
$400k in sales, per month.


Google is becoming "old school"... the same way email is compared to 
texting... and the way texting/FB/Instagram is compared to Snapchat. 
These companies get big, really fast... but the problem is, that means 
someone else can do the same thing.


Travis


On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Sorry to sound like not a google fanboy but it's a typical phd 
company..  They look at the paper pile before the experience pile...  
& yes they will eventually go down because of it...


On 08/11/2016 03:24 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projects, I can 
tell you there are a number of factors that caused them to take pause 
on the deployments. One was the almost obstructionist attitude of 
pole owners (read competitors to their broadband deployment). This 
forced a lot more of the project deigns to underground deployment. In 
cities like San Jose and San Francisco, there were a lot of 
requirements that cost more money than Google budgeted for. In some 
respects Google kind of had the idea that cities would remove 
obstacles like that to get them in their city. With so much existing 
broadband already in place, this is certainly not the case. I think 
Google thought all cities were going to have the attitude like they 
had with the first cities who applied for Google to come to their 
cities (Like Kansas City did).


Google was also of the impression that they could design and permit 
their networks and then cherry pick neighborhoods to deploy based on 
pre-sign ups (in Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a huge 
logistic problem in planning construction especially with underground 
deployment. This also drove up costs.


Google is still investigating the wireless options. What you will see 
from them should be a hybrid network system. They will buy up dark 
fiber, capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and whole fiber systems 
where they can. They may use microwave to cross connect systems or 
bridge high construction cost areas such as railroad crossings. They 
are looking at wireless to basically go more from the curb to the 
customer, especially in MDU cases. Existing competition and/or 
existing contracts within an MDU makes it risky to do a wired play if 
they cannot assure themselves of a huge take rate within the MDU. I 
see their wireless play as more of a high capacity short hop last 
mile, but even then they will have challenges with spectrum, 
interference and capacity.


While we all would think Google is a great company with resources to 
do whatever they set their minds to, keep in mind I have seen a lot 
from the inside. I like to equate them to a group of thirty 
somethings with ADD and too much money. They also seem to have the 
attitude that older folks are too far behind the times to possibly 
know what they are talking about. Google is certainly not a utility 
infrastructure company and lack the people, tools and skill sets to 
be one. They are their own best cheerleaders and they have a 
dangerous habit of believing their own hype internally and are not 
real good at listening to fresh viewpoints and outside input.


Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a camel 
through the eye of a needle.


-Original Message-
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with your 
WISP.


We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful companies in 
the world though. Do you really think they don't have some of the 
best RF engineering talent in the world on their payroll?


They're not doing anything different than many of us have done, which 
is evaluate the business case for each technology and pick the most 
appropriate one for the application. If it was going to cost you a 
couple hundred thousand just to cross an intersection, you'd be doing 
the same thing too. It's the smart play.


At least they're not doing this in 

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

[Travis Johnson]

Walmart is doing over $450 Billion per year, and they actually have 
assets to back it up.


Travis


On 8/11/2016 6:30 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/10/investing/google-alphabet-all-time-high/

"Shares of Google parent company Alphabet (GOOGL, Tech30) hit an
all-time high Tuesday of more than $813 a share. The company is now
worth $555 billion."

"The company is still growing at a rate that would make most companies
envious. Analysts are forecasting that profits will increase more than
15% this year and that sales will be up 20%.

That's truly remarkable when you consider just how colossal Google is.
Sales are expected to top $88.5 billion this year and exceed $100
billion in 2017."

So, that may take awhile there Robert.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Robert Andrews  wrote:

Sorry to sound like not a google fanboy but it's a typical phd company..
They look at the paper pile before the experience pile...  & yes they will
eventually go down because of it...

On 08/11/2016 03:24 PM, Brian Webster wrote:

Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projects, I can tell you
there are a number of factors that caused them to take pause on the
deployments. One was the almost obstructionist attitude of pole owners (read
competitors to their broadband deployment). This forced a lot more of the
project deigns to underground deployment. In cities like San Jose and San
Francisco, there were a lot of requirements that cost more money than Google
budgeted for. In some respects Google kind of had the idea that cities would
remove obstacles like that to get them in their city. With so much existing
broadband already in place, this is certainly not the case. I think Google
thought all cities were going to have the attitude like they had with the
first cities who applied for Google to come to their cities (Like Kansas
City did).

Google was also of the impression that they could design and permit their
networks and then cherry pick neighborhoods to deploy based on pre-sign ups
(in Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a huge logistic problem in
planning construction especially with underground deployment. This also
drove up costs.

Google is still investigating the wireless options. What you will see from
them should be a hybrid network system. They will buy up dark fiber,
capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and whole fiber systems where they can.
They may use microwave to cross connect systems or bridge high construction
cost areas such as railroad crossings. They are looking at wireless to
basically go more from the curb to the customer, especially in MDU cases.
Existing competition and/or existing contracts within an MDU makes it risky
to do a wired play if they cannot assure themselves of a huge take rate
within the MDU. I see their wireless play as more of a high capacity short
hop last mile, but even then they will have challenges with spectrum,
interference and capacity.

While we all would think Google is a great company with resources to do
whatever they set their minds to, keep in mind I have seen a lot from the
inside. I like to equate them to a group of thirty somethings with ADD and
too much money. They also seem to have the attitude that older folks are too
far behind the times to possibly know what they are talking about. Google is
certainly not a utility infrastructure company and lack the people, tools
and skill sets to be one. They are their own best cheerleaders and they have
a dangerous habit of believing their own hype internally and are not real
good at listening to fresh viewpoints and outside input.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a camel through
the eye of a needle.

-Original Message-
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with your WISP.

We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful companies in the
world though. Do you really think they don't have some of the best RF
engineering talent in the world on their payroll?

They're not doing anything different than many of us have done, which is
evaluate the business case for each technology and pick the most appropriate
one for the application. If it was going to cost you a couple hundred
thousand just to cross an intersection, you'd be doing the same thing too.
It's the smart play.

At least they're not doing this in LEC style, which would mean "saying
they can't do it unless they receive federal subsidies".

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
 wrote:


Wait until they experience 

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

[Travis Johnson]

You will have to change your email address before then... LOL

Travis


On 8/11/2016 10:27 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I think that facebook won't be far behind. Let's have this 
conversation again in 2026.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 8/11/2016 8:50 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
So... Google is going to do what WISP's have been doing for 20 years 
(before they were even called WISPs). That's hilarious.


"Fiber! Fiber! Fiber! That is the answer to everything. We are doing 
fiber everywhere!"
"Fiber is expensive, and we can never get an ROI with that model... 
let's look at wireless."


I'm still laughing... a company that size, with those resources, and 
yet they still seem to be clueless sometimes. I'm in agreement, I 
doubt Google will even be around in 20 years. I own several 
e-commerce companies (multi-million dollar ones), and we don't spend 
a dime with Google. One company spends $5k/month with Facebook and it 
generates $400k in sales, per month.


Google is becoming "old school"... the same way email is compared to 
texting... and the way texting/FB/Instagram is compared to Snapchat. 
These companies get big, really fast... but the problem is, that 
means someone else can do the same thing.


Travis


On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Sorry to sound like not a google fanboy but it's a typical phd 
company..  They look at the paper pile before the experience 
pile...  & yes they will eventually go down because of it...


On 08/11/2016 03:24 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projects, I can 
tell you there are a number of factors that caused them to take 
pause on the deployments. One was the almost obstructionist 
attitude of pole owners (read competitors to their broadband 
deployment). This forced a lot more of the project deigns to 
underground deployment. In cities like San Jose and San Francisco, 
there were a lot of requirements that cost more money than Google 
budgeted for. In some respects Google kind of had the idea that 
cities would remove obstacles like that to get them in their city. 
With so much existing broadband already in place, this is certainly 
not the case. I think Google thought all cities were going to have 
the attitude like they had with the first cities who applied for 
Google to come to their cities (Like Kansas City did).


Google was also of the impression that they could design and permit 
their networks and then cherry pick neighborhoods to deploy based 
on pre-sign ups (in Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a huge 
logistic problem in planning construction especially with 
underground deployment. This also drove up costs.


Google is still investigating the wireless options. What you will 
see from them should be a hybrid network system. They will buy up 
dark fiber, capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and whole fiber 
systems where they can. They may use microwave to cross connect 
systems or bridge high construction cost areas such as railroad 
crossings. They are looking at wireless to basically go more from 
the curb to the customer, especially in MDU cases. Existing 
competition and/or existing contracts within an MDU makes it risky 
to do a wired play if they cannot assure themselves of a huge take 
rate within the MDU. I see their wireless play as more of a high 
capacity short hop last mile, but even then they will have 
challenges with spectrum, interference and capacity.


While we all would think Google is a great company with resources 
to do whatever they set their minds to, keep in mind I have seen a 
lot from the inside. I like to equate them to a group of thirty 
somethings with ADD and too much money. They also seem to have the 
attitude that older folks are too far behind the times to possibly 
know what they are talking about. Google is certainly not a utility 
infrastructure company and lack the people, tools and skill sets to 
be one. They are their own best cheerleaders and they have a 
dangerous habit of believing their own hype internally and are not 
real good at listening to fresh viewpoints and outside input.


Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a camel 
through the eye of a needle.


-Original Message-
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with your 
WISP.


We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful companies 
in the world though. Do you really think they don't have some of 
the best RF engineering talent in the world on their payroll?


They're not doing anything dif

Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

[Travis Johnson]

You have a very small population to cater to... and most of them 
probably don't use FB. LOL


Travis


On 8/11/2016 11:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I wish you could teach me how to use FB for marketing.  I finally 
stopped paying google and bing and my sales have gone way up.  Go figure.


-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

So... Google is going to do what WISP's have been doing for 20 years
(before they were even called WISPs). That's hilarious.

"Fiber! Fiber! Fiber! That is the answer to everything. We are doing
fiber everywhere!"
"Fiber is expensive, and we can never get an ROI with that model...
let's look at wireless."

I'm still laughing... a company that size, with those resources, and yet
they still seem to be clueless sometimes. I'm in agreement, I doubt
Google will even be around in 20 years. I own several e-commerce
companies (multi-million dollar ones), and we don't spend a dime with
Google. One company spends $5k/month with Facebook and it generates
$400k in sales, per month.

Google is becoming "old school"... the same way email is compared to
texting... and the way texting/FB/Instagram is compared to Snapchat.
These companies get big, really fast... but the problem is, that means
someone else can do the same thing.

Travis


On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Sorry to sound like not a google fanboy but it's a typical phd 
company.. They look at the paper pile before the experience pile...  
& yes they will eventually go down because of it...


On 08/11/2016 03:24 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projects, I can 
tell you there are a number of factors that caused them to take 
pause on the deployments. One was the almost obstructionist attitude 
of pole owners (read competitors to their broadband deployment). 
This forced a lot more of the project deigns to underground 
deployment. In cities like San Jose and San Francisco, there were a 
lot of requirements that cost more money than Google budgeted for. 
In some respects Google kind of had the idea that cities would 
remove obstacles like that to get them in their city. With so much 
existing broadband already in place, this is certainly not the case. 
I think Google thought all cities were going to have the attitude 
like they had with the first cities who applied for Google to come 
to their cities (Like Kansas City did).


Google was also of the impression that they could design and permit 
their networks and then cherry pick neighborhoods to deploy based on 
pre-sign ups (in Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a huge 
logistic problem in planning construction especially with 
underground deployment. This also drove up costs.


Google is still investigating the wireless options. What you will 
see from them should be a hybrid network system. They will buy up 
dark fiber, capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and whole fiber 
systems where they can. They may use microwave to cross connect 
systems or bridge high construction cost areas such as railroad 
crossings. They are looking at wireless to basically go more from 
the curb to the customer, especially in MDU cases. Existing 
competition and/or existing contracts within an MDU makes it risky 
to do a wired play if they cannot assure themselves of a huge take 
rate within the MDU. I see their wireless play as more of a high 
capacity short hop last mile, but even then they will have 
challenges with spectrum, interference and capacity.


While we all would think Google is a great company with resources to 
do whatever they set their minds to, keep in mind I have seen a lot 
from the inside. I like to equate them to a group of thirty 
somethings with ADD and too much money. They also seem to have the 
attitude that older folks are too far behind the times to possibly 
know what they are talking about. Google is certainly not a utility 
infrastructure company and lack the people, tools and skill sets to 
be one. They are their own best cheerleaders and they have a 
dangerous habit of believing their own hype internally and are not 
real good at listening to fresh viewpoints and outside input.


Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a camel 
through the eye of a needle.


-Original Message-
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?

So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with your 
WISP.


We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful companies 
in the world thou

[AFMUG] Netflix BUY

[Travis Johnson]

Netflix is a BUY first thing Tuesday morning. With a 13% drop in after 
hours trading, it will come back... it always does.


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] GPRO

[Travis Johnson]

It won't matter if it's disruptive or not... it's coming from GoPro, who 
has a HUGE following. Everyone will want one and buy one as soon as they 
can... sales go through the roof, stock price goes up... sell your stock 
at that point.


The stock was as high as $80+ per share in the last two years... it's at 
$12 today... surely it has room to grow to $15 - $20 per share. :)


Travis


On 7/14/2016 11:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
If the drone is somewhat disruptive.  Nobody has seen it yet and there 
are a ton of drones out there.


-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 11:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPRO

I think Fitbit will be a good one... it would have to be a little longer
term play... probably closer to 9-10 months... after the holiday season
sales and they report their 4Q earnings. Of course, GPRO will probably
have similar results after they release their drone in time for holiday
shopping. :)

Travis


On 7/14/2016 10:45 AM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
I bought in..now I'm debating how long to let it ride..  got any more 
hot tips? :)




On Jul 14, 2016, at 10:35 AM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:

Hopefully people that invested in GPRO when I suggested a few months 
ago are making some money this week?? :)


I still think it will go to $14-$15 over the next 3-4 months... but 
you never want to get greedy with the stock market either... LOL


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] vacations

[Travis Johnson]

Why would you monitor every single customer's up/down status? Why not 
just monitor their traffic levels and then if they go down, they will 
call you and you can review their data then? You could even monitor the 
up/down status, just not have an alert?


Travis


On 7/11/2016 11:15 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Did I miss a memo about this being the designated week for customers 
to go on vacation?  Subscribers have been popping up red like crazy 
the past 2 days on our network monitor.  Not like the fades we get 
this time of year due to field corn, these go down and stay down.


One of them just called though and said he set his hour on fire so the 
firefighters had the electricity turned off.  Yeah, I guess he's going 
to visit the relatives now.


Amazing how customers expect us to notify them any time we have any 
kind of planned outage, but they don't feel the need to tell us when 
they turn off their equipment for a week.

[AFMUG] Amazon deals

[Travis Johnson]

Here's a quick list of some of the deals... the little laptop and 50" TV 
are pretty good deals:


http://www.pcmag.com/news/346012/save-big-amazon-prime-days-best-deals

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Crouch, Idaho

[Travis Johnson]

Hey...

Just because it was located in Idaho doesn't mean EVERYONE in Idaho is 
like that... LOL


Here is the firework show that happens in my hometown every year (Idaho 
Falls, Idaho, population 60,000). Over 200,000 people show up for one of 
the largest shows in the country, by the local multi-level marketing 
company Melaleuca:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRB_p7yZRJk

This year was over 17,500 shells that lasted over 25 minutes. The CEO 
was born and raised here, and he spends millions each year on this show.


Travis


On 7/6/2016 11:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
Here's what the 4th of July looks like for your typical western state 
rural WISP customers: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT8XxXXi7rk=desktop

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

[Travis Johnson]

Does the 3% credit card processing fee ($300 on $10k) justify the miles 
you will gain? How much is it to just "buy" the same amount of miles?


Inquiring minds want to know. I use a 2% cashback on everything card for 
ALL my personal expenses (groceries, gas, utility bills, cell phone 
bill, food, car expenses, etc), and a different business card (also 2% 
cashback on every single item) for all my business stuff. Then I just 
get checks mailed to me about once a month for the rewards. The miles 
game always seemed like a lot of work to track everything, etc.



Travis


On 7/6/2016 12:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

S Corp
*From:* Jason Wilson 
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:07 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.
Sole Proprietor? LLC or Corp?  If you are a structured org (llc,Corp) 
and you have an invoice for said items then you should be ok.


*Credit card kiting* refers to the use of one or more credit cards 
 to obtain cash and 
purchasing power they do not have, or pay credit card 
 balances with the proceeds 
of other cards. Unlike check kiting 
, which is illegal under 
nearly all circumstances, laws against credit card kiting are not 
completely prohibitive of the practice, thereby allowing it to be done 
to some degree. It is up to the banks to detect the practice and when 
necessary, stop it.


In order for prosecution to occur in a credit card kiting scheme, a 
bank must prove intent to deceive.^[1] 
 Eq seq 
reference infers paying credit card minimum balances with credit card 
 proceeds is de facto 
 evidence of deceit.


It all will depend on your CC Processor.


Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com 
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Cameron Crum > wrote:


I didn't think about the miles thing. I just didn't think they
would care as they are still getting paid and you'll be out about
3% of the charge. The biggest charge I've run through my own cars
was about $300. I know square used to hold funds over $1000 for
some period...like 7 days or so? Maybe that is too long, but I
seem to remember something like that.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Josh Luthman
>
wrote:

From what came up a while ago you can do that no problem after
contacting the merchant but IPPay doesn't allow those shenanigans.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

I am thinking of doing this for about $10K and really
don’t want to get money or systems locked up.
I can also run it through my ecommerce site and I have a
quick books merchant account too.
*From:* Cameron Crum 
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:50 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.
I've run my own card on my own account before a couple of
times for testing and for paying myself for something as
well. I'm not sure they really care, but I haven't read
the AUP in like 4 years.
Cameron
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Chuck McCown
> wrote:

This has been covered here before. I am considering
buying something from my own company.  Have Jenny run
my personal card on her company square reader.
Not sure if that violates any kind of AUP. Hate to get
her merchant account shut down.  It is a woman owned
business with her owning more than half.  I don’t
technically work there.  I am not on the payroll.
How risky is this?

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

[Travis Johnson]

The personal card is the Citi Mastercard. The business card is the 
CapitalOne Spark Business card.


Travis


On 7/6/2016 12:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What's the 2% personal card if I can ask?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net 
<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:


Does the 3% credit card processing fee ($300 on $10k) justify the
miles you will gain? How much is it to just "buy" the same amount
of miles?

Inquiring minds want to know. I use a 2% cashback on everything
card for ALL my personal expenses (groceries, gas, utility bills,
cell phone bill, food, car expenses, etc), and a different
business card (also 2% cashback on every single item) for all my
business stuff. Then I just get checks mailed to me about once a
month for the rewards. The miles game always seemed like a lot of
work to track everything, etc.


Travis


On 7/6/2016 12:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

S Corp
*From:* Jason Wilson <mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:07 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.
Sole Proprietor? LLC or Corp?  If you are a structured org
(llc,Corp) and you have an invoice for said items then you should
be ok.

*Credit card kiting* refers to the use of one or more credit
cards <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_card> to obtain cash
and purchasing power they do not have, or pay credit card
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_card> balances with the
proceeds of other cards. Unlike check kiting
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Check_kiting>, which is illegal
under nearly all circumstances, laws against credit card kiting
are not completely prohibitive of the practice, thereby allowing
it to be done to some degree. It is up to the banks to detect the
practice and when necessary, stop it.

In order for prosecution to occur in a credit card kiting scheme,
a bank must prove intent to deceive.^[1]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_card_kiting#cite_note-1> Eq
seq reference infers paying credit card minimum balances with
credit card <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_card> proceeds
is de facto <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto> evidence of
deceit.

It all will depend on your CC Processor.


Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736 
530-748-9608  Cell
www.remotelylocated.com <http://www.remotelylocated.com>
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com
<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:

I didn't think about the miles thing. I just didn't think
they would care as they are still getting paid and you'll be
out about 3% of the charge. The biggest charge I've run
through my own cars was about $300. I know square used to
hold funds over $1000 for some period...like 7 days or so?
Maybe that is too long, but I seem to remember something like
that.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

From what came up a while ago you can do that no problem
after contacting the merchant but IPPay doesn't allow
those shenanigans.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown
<ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I am thinking of doing this for about $10K and really
don’t want to get money or systems locked up.
I can also run it through my ecommerce site and I
have a quick books merchant account too.
*From:* Cameron Crum <mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:50 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.
I've run my own card on my own account before a
couple of times for testing and for paying myself for
something as well. I'm not sure they really care, but
I haven't read the AUP in like 4 years.
Cameron
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Chuck McCown
<ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

This has been covered here before. I am
considering buying something from my own

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

[Travis Johnson]

You may have a hard time getting a "small business" card that provides 
2% cashback for that high of a limit. These are designed for businesses 
that spend less than $50k/month on a credit card. That is the one good 
thing about AMEX, once you have built a reputation with them, there 
really is no limit on their card.


Travis


On 7/6/2016 1:46 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
good lord! in need to apply for that 2% cash back! we are pumping over 
$100k per month to our corp amex


On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


I like miles because I can’t spend them.  Dollars back I would
spend and then when I need to go to the UK to visit my daughter I
have to cough up the dough.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2016 1:30 PM
*To:* af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

The Citi double cash is 2%.  I used to use it as my everyday spend
card.

I am having really good luck with chase ultimate rewards earning
cards, and also spg earning cards.  With the combination of the
chase sapphire, freedom,  and freedom unlimited cards for personal
and chase ink,  I get anywhere between 3% and 10% back in travel
rewards (mostly hotels and an occasional flight).   But this only
works if you travel enough that you can redeem for values over 2
cents per point.

With the chase freedom and discover they have revolving bonus
categories which are 5x points (10% effectively).  We try to buy
gift cards to maximize this..  for instance, we're currently
watching movies using theatre gift cards from the last time the
rewards category was movie theatres.

Back to the question about whether it makes sense to run cards
through your own merchant account...  maybe if you're trying to
meet a minimum spend, or need a few miles to make a reward work, 
but I sure can't see this making sense on a regular basis.


On Jul 6, 2016 12:37 PM, "Josh Luthman"
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:

What's the 2% personal card if I can ask?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
    Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net
<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:

Does the 3% credit card processing fee ($300 on $10k)
justify the miles you will gain? How much is it to just
"buy" the same amount of miles?

Inquiring minds want to know. I use a 2% cashback on
everything card for ALL my personal expenses (groceries,
gas, utility bills, cell phone bill, food, car expenses,
etc), and a different business card (also 2% cashback on
every single item) for all my business stuff. Then I just
get checks mailed to me about once a month for the
rewards. The miles game always seemed like a lot of work
to track everything, etc.


Travis


On 7/6/2016 12:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

S Corp
*From:* Jason Wilson <mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:07 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.
Sole Proprietor? LLC or Corp?  If you are a structured
org (llc,Corp) and you have an invoice for said items
then you should be ok.

*Credit card kiting* refers to the use of one or more
credit cards <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_card>
to obtain cash and purchasing power they do not have, or
pay credit card
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_card> balances with
the proceeds of other cards. Unlike check kiting
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Check_kiting>, which is
illegal under nearly all circumstances, laws against
credit card kiting are not completely prohibitive of the
practice, thereby allowing it to be done to some degree.
It is up to the banks to detect the practice and when
necessary, stop it.

In order for prosecution to occur in a credit card kiting
scheme, a bank must prove intent to deceive.^[1]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_card_kiting#cite_note-1>
Eq seq reference infers paying credit card minimum
balances with credit card
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_card> proceeds is
de facto <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto>
evi

Re: [AFMUG] [Fiber] Do you logo/wrap your splice trailer?

[Travis Johnson]

I doubt email will become obsolete any time soon. Everything business 
related is still conducted via email... even if it's just a notification 
that you need to go electronically sign a form on a website. It is still 
the "most critical" piece of the Internet. Don't believe me? Take down 
the Gmail servers for a few hours and see what the top news headline is 
on every news site. LOL


Travis


On 8/4/2016 1:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I wonder about every site requiring an email address as a login, given 
that email is likely to become obsolete.
Perhaps it’s like the federal government requiring vendors to have a 
DUNS number.

*From:* Bill Prince 
*Sent:* Thursday, August 04, 2016 2:50 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [Fiber] Do you logo/wrap your splice trailer?

These days I get the impression that people think this is "THE INTERNET".

A lot of people are able to handle a limited amount of abstraction.

bp


On 8/4/2016 12:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
For outdoor advertising purposes (vehicles, signs, etc) I question 
whether enough of the normal non technical population knows about new 
TLDs to recognize them as such...  The sort of people who think THE 
INTERNET is the big round blue E on their Windows desktop.



If you put "johnsoncarpentry.contractors" on the side of a vehicle, 
do people not know it's a domain, or do you have to put 
"www.johnsoncarpentry.contractors" so people will recognize it as a 
domain


or if you put

"johnsoncarpentry.com " on a vehicle 
people will know it's a domain and you don't have to put the "www".



On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Seth Mattinen > wrote:


On 8/4/16 12:13, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

First time I've seen a legit business using a .me domain,
it's all been
spam and porno websites and phishes... No insult intended, I
just find
that all the new TLD like .biz and .xyz are full of such.



I have a customer using .contractors and I also have one that
used to use .biz but not so much lately.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] GPRO sold at $14 - thanks Travis!

[Travis Johnson]

You can just send me more of that PR Mint Rum. :)

Travis


On 8/5/2016 8:45 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

I owe you dinner!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Same question with a twist

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

This is all great information... but I would still like to see a point 
value vs cash back. My main business card gets me 2% Cashback (which I 
have a check mailed to me personally about every six months, so it 
doesn't appear anywhere on the business) and my personal card also gives 
me 2% cashback (which I can just apply directly to my balance every 3-4 
months).


So if you were to spend $5k on a single card that generates 
points/miles, what is the actual cash value of those points or miles? 
I'm asking because I would like to see if there is much difference, 
without playing all the transfer games. At some point you have to factor 
your time into all this as well... if you spend hours each month trying 
to move points around, that is costing you something as well. 
Personally, even when I just started out in the WISP industry, I figured 
my time was worth at least $100/hour (that would have been 20 years ago).


Not to mention trying to track every single purchase and use the proper 
card for every item is too confusing... and then having to pay 4-5 
different card balances each month would be a huge pain as well. :)


Travis


On 8/5/2016 10:17 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
This gets somewhat complicated.   Let me try to explain, with some 
background:


I have the following for business purposes:

1) Chase Ink.   This earns chase miles, at a rate of 1 point per 
dollar for most things, plus 5 points per dollar for office supplies, 
cellular, internet, cable, and 2 points for gas stations and either 
restaurants (ink plus) or hotels (ink cash).  The ink plus has an 
annual fee (I Think $95), and the ink cash doesn't. There's another 
bonus of the ink plus, I'll get to in a minute.


2) AMEX Starwood Preferred Guest Business Card.   This earns 1 
starwood point per dollar, plus more at starwood hotels (aka sheraton, 
westin, etc).  ($95 Annual fee)


3) AMEX Business Rewards Gold.  This earns 1 membership rewards point 
per dollar for everything, and 3 points per dollar on one of : Airfare 
from airlines, advertising, gas stations, shipping, and certain 
computer-related purchases.  The remaining categories get 2 points per 
dollar.   $175 annual fee.


I use the Amex gold exclusively for shipping, and for everything else 
I alternate between the starwood and chase ink depending on which type 
of points I need.  Mostly the starwood points, since I'm swimming in 
chase points right now.


For personal I use the following cards:

1) Chase Sapphire Preferred.  $95 annual fee.  Earns *2* chase points 
per dollars on travel (hotels, airfare, etc, but not gas) and 
restaurants.  1 point everywhere else.   This has the same bonus as 
the ink plus above... again, description in a minute.


2) Chase Freedom (original).  NO annual fee.  Earns 5 points on a 
different category every quarter, and 1 point everywhere else.   The 
categories so far this year have included grocieries, movies, and 
right now costco and restaurants.  These are limited by  $1500 per 
quarter, BUT gift cards and similar count.   So during the groceries 
month, we stocked up on canned goods, and then bought safeway and 
albertsons gift cards.  Same for the movies (we have a few hundred 
dollars of gift cards now from the movie theatres).


3) Chase Unlimited.  No annual fee.  1.5 points everywhere.

I use the sapphire for all travel purchases, business or not.   Bonus 
is that it includes primary auto rental insurance, along with a few 
other interesting travel benefits (no foreign transaction fee, etc).  
I use the Freedom for the first $1500 of whatever category it's 
earning on.  I use the Unlimited for everything else.


So here's the reason why I use the above cards:

They all earn 'transferrable' miles.   This means that  you can 
transfer these points to other rewards programs where they can be 
worth more.


For instance, Membership rewards points are transferrable to delta for 
delta miles, which is the primary reason I continue to earn membership 
rewards points.  Most of the other transfer partners are kinda Meh, 
but a list is here: 
http://thetravelsisters.com/amex-membership-rewards-airline-hotel-transfer-partners/. 



The starwood points are also transferrable to a lot of other 
programs.  See 
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2015/08/12/starwood-transfer-partners-airlines/ 
for an example list.   Personally I use the starwood points primarily 
for hotel rooms with starwood itself.  As an example, I booked the 
westin Grand in berlin for 5 nights a total of 40,000 starwood 
points.  Booking this same room right now would be $937.13 USD for the 
stay, which means each of those starwood points are worth over 2.3 
cents per point for this booking.   If I'm earning them at 1 cent per 
point, then this is a 2.3% redemption.


The chase points are also transferrable, IF you have a premium card.  
This is the sapphire preferred or the Ink plus.   A recent redemption 
for me was to move some chase 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Same question with a twist

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

Business card is the Spark Business VISA from Capital One. No annual 
fee, 2% cash back rewards on everything (with no limit).


Personal card is the Citi Mastercard Double Cash card. No annual fee, 2% 
cash back rewards on everything (with no limit).


Also, I know someone in my hometown that plays the credit card game to 
gather points and miles. It's basically his hobby and he loves doing 
it... he opens and closes tons of cards every year to get the "bonus" 
miles, etc. Last year he took his entire family (6 people) to Italy for 
two weeks for like $150 total out of pocket (including airfare, hotel, 
car rentals, etc). I just don't have the patience to play all the card 
games. LOL


Travis




On 8/6/2016 12:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, what are those two cards you use?
*From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>
*Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 12:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Same question with a twist
Hi,

This is all great information... but I would still like to see a point 
value vs cash back. My main business card gets me 2% Cashback (which I 
have a check mailed to me personally about every six months, so it 
doesn't appear anywhere on the business) and my personal card also 
gives me 2% cashback (which I can just apply directly to my balance 
every 3-4 months).


So if you were to spend $5k on a single card that generates 
points/miles, what is the actual cash value of those points or miles? 
I'm asking because I would like to see if there is much difference, 
without playing all the transfer games. At some point you have to 
factor your time into all this as well... if you spend hours each 
month trying to move points around, that is costing you something as 
well. Personally, even when I just started out in the WISP industry, I 
figured my time was worth at least $100/hour (that would have been 20 
years ago).


Not to mention trying to track every single purchase and use the 
proper card for every item is too confusing... and then having to pay 
4-5 different card balances each month would be a huge pain as well. :)


Travis


On 8/5/2016 10:17 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
This gets somewhat complicated.   Let me try to explain, with some 
background:


I have the following for business purposes:

1) Chase Ink.   This earns chase miles, at a rate of 1 point per 
dollar for most things, plus 5 points per dollar for office supplies, 
cellular, internet, cable, and 2 points for gas stations and either 
restaurants (ink plus) or hotels (ink cash).  The ink plus has an 
annual fee (I Think $95), and the ink cash doesn't.  There's another 
bonus of the ink plus, I'll get to in a minute.


2) AMEX Starwood Preferred Guest Business Card.   This earns 1 
starwood point per dollar, plus more at starwood hotels (aka 
sheraton, westin, etc).  ($95 Annual fee)


3) AMEX Business Rewards Gold.  This earns 1 membership rewards point 
per dollar for everything, and 3 points per dollar on one of :  
Airfare from airlines, advertising, gas stations, shipping, and 
certain computer-related purchases.  The remaining categories get 2 
points per dollar.   $175 annual fee.


I use the Amex gold exclusively for shipping, and for everything else 
I alternate between the starwood and chase ink depending on which 
type of points I need.  Mostly the starwood points, since I'm 
swimming in chase points right now.

For personal I use the following cards:

1) Chase Sapphire Preferred.  $95 annual fee.  Earns *2* chase points 
per dollars on travel (hotels, airfare, etc, but not gas) and 
restaurants.  1 point everywhere else. This has the same bonus as the 
ink plus above... again, description in a minute.


2) Chase Freedom (original).  NO annual fee. Earns 5 points on a 
different category every quarter, and 1 point everywhere else.   The 
categories so far this year have included grocieries, movies, and 
right now costco and restaurants.  These are limited by  $1500 per 
quarter, BUT gift cards and similar count. So during the groceries 
month, we stocked up on canned goods, and then bought safeway and 
albertsons gift cards.  Same for the movies (we have a few hundred 
dollars of gift cards now from the movie theatres).


3) Chase Unlimited.  No annual fee.  1.5 points everywhere.

I use the sapphire for all travel purchases, business or not.   Bonus 
is that it includes primary auto rental insurance, along with a few 
other interesting travel benefits (no foreign transaction fee, etc).  
I use the Freedom for the first $1500 of whatever category it's 
earning on.  I use the Unlimited for everything else.

So here's the reason why I use the above cards:

They all earn 'transferrable' miles.   This means that  you can 
transfer these points to other rewards programs where they can be 
worth more.


For instance, Membership rewards points are transferrable to delta 
for delta miles, which is the primary reason I continue to ea

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Travis Johnson]

He created a toaster?? LOL

https://postscapes.com/internet-of-things-history/

Travis


On 8/8/2016 8:53 PM, Robert wrote:
He can afford to wait a long time  He was the developer of the 
first of one of the major devices on the internet.


On 8/8/16 5:24 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:


As in a /16 ?  he’ll be waiting a long time in my opinion …. (could 
be dead wrong there)


I monitor prices every so often to “check in” and see what the market 
is doing … seen prices drop in the past few months, not sure why – 
guessing that it’s because the market is slowing down and/or there 
are more blocks coming available


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* August 8, 2016 7:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

A friend of mine has an unused Class B...   But he's going to wait 
for $300-500 pricing...  LOL...


On 8/8/16 3:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

besides ip auctions.com  Anyone knows of of
ip address sources for buying?

Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 20thIn The World

[Travis Johnson]

EXACTLY.  Everyone freaks out when Google fiber comes to their town... I 
want to know what people are doing with a 1Gbps fiber connection that is 
going to save the world. Or create new jobs. Or make life easier for people.


It's all marketing BS that the general public buys into, every - single 
- time. I would bet that 99% of the population doesn't need more than a 
5Mbps or 10Mbps connection, at most.


Travis


On 8/7/2016 7:58 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I think we should compare amperage of average electrical services and 
diameter of municipal water pipes.  Oh yeah, don't forget to compare 
how many cable TV channels are available in each countrywe don't 
want to fall behind on any of these important demographics.
100 meg cable is available in my town, so people could raise the 
average speed test result by simply buying more speed. Generally if we 
offer multiple packages, then the overwhelming majority of people buy 
the cheapest one; so maybe the US is really above average at being 
cheap.  We should focus on what we're good at and stop envying our 
neighbors' phalli mbps.


The social and economic advantages of having internet service are 
realized with 1 or 2 mbps.  After that it's all entertainment, so why 
do we stress over it?


-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Hohhof" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 8/7/2016 7:51:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks 
Only 20thIn The World

http://www.mandatory.com/2015/02/26/which-country-has-the-biggest-dicks-in-the-world/
*From:* Jaime Solorza 
*Sent:* Sunday, August 07, 2016 6:18 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks 
Only 20thIn The World


http://hothardware.com/news/us-internet-speeds-improve-but-the-country-ranks-only-20th-in-the-world

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Travis Johnson]

>> >> the BW purchase.
>> >>
>> >> my 2.5 cents worth.
>> >>
>> >> Faisal Imtiaz
>> >> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> >> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> >> Miami, FL 33155
>> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> >>
>> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> > From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
>> >> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:55:42 AM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>> >>
>> >> > Reasonable projections (IMO) I have seen are $30 to $40
per IP. I
>> >> > have
>> >> > seen some projections talking $100-$200 per IP. This is a
one time
>> >> > fee
>> >> > though, not including RIR transfer and annual fee (much
smaller than
>> >> > the cost of the block, based on total allocations to you).
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
>> >> > <lists.wavel...@gmail.com
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> >> $13 per IP on a /24  wow.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Travis Johnson
<t...@ida.net <mailto:t...@ida.net>>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> He created a toaster?? LOL
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> https://postscapes.com/internet-of-things-history/
<https://postscapes.com/internet-of-things-history/>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Travis
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 8/8/2016 8:53 PM, Robert wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> He can afford to wait a long time  He was the
developer of the
>> >> >>> first
>> >> >>> of one of the major devices on the internet.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 8/8/16 5:24 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> As in a /16 ?  he’ll be waiting a long time in my
opinion …. (could
>> >> >>> be
>> >> >>> dead wrong there)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I monitor prices every so often to “check in” and see
what the
>> >> >>> market
>> >> >>> is
>> >> >>> doing … seen prices drop in the past few months, not
sure why –
>> >> >>> guessing
>> >> >>> that it’s because the market is slowing down and/or
there are more
>> >> >>> blocks
>> >> >>> coming available
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Robert
>> >> >>> Sent: August 8, 2016 7:39 PM
>> >> >>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> A friend of mine has an unused Class B...   But he's
going to wait
>> >> >>> for
>> >> >>> $300-500 pricing...  LOL...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 8/8/16 3:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> besides ip auctions.com <http://auctions.com> Anyone
knows of of ip address sources for
>> >> >>> buying?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >
>> >

[AFMUG] GPRO

[Travis Johnson]

Well GPRO just hit $15 this morning... wish I had held on just a 
little bit longer, but at least my prediction was correct. :)


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] GPRO

[Travis Johnson]

Up another 10% just today... good call on keeping some. :)

Travis


On 8/15/2016 8:49 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

i only sold 33% of mine... lol

- Original Message -
*From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2016 9:37 AM
*Subject:* [AFMUG] GPRO

Well GPRO just hit $15 this morning... wish I had held on just a
little bit longer, but at least my prediction was correct. :)

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

[Travis Johnson]

The dark fiber loop in my city (Idaho Falls, Idaho) works extremely well 
for the entire city. There are many providers, even private companies, 
that lease a dark fiber pair and pay the city a monthly rate.


Travis


On 2/1/2017 3:40 PM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:

Chuck McCown wrote:

Who owns the dark fiber network?
Government - we all know how good they are at doing things like this.

   Others manage. See for example Stokab owned by the city of Stockholm in 
Sweden.


Private - so we create good old Ma Bell all over again?

   First, it does not have to be a single private company.

   Second, the owner being a private company need not be a problem. 
Non-discriminatory access to everybody, at set rates with prohibitions against 
cross-ownership and the offering of retail services. See examples from other 
industries with wholesale infrastructure providers and structural separation in 
the telecom industry.

   Third, there's a pretty big difference between recreating Ma Bell and 
creating a (regional) dark fiber company that does nothing else than rent dark 
fiber.


Existing carriers forced to open their networks?  OK if you like the Venezuela 
solution to things.

   My proposal does not require existing carriers to open up their networks.


New networks built by low bidder defense contractor?  Great, replication and 
tax bite too.

   Where did this come from? I said nothing about defense contractors or tax 
financing.


Jared

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

[Travis Johnson]

Didn't it only take Amazon 15+ years to become profitable?? LOL

Travis


On 2/7/2017 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
They have a statement in their prospectus that they may never achieve 
profitability.

*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2017 1:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?
Anybody waiting for the Snap, Inc. IPO?
On Feb 7, 2017 11:17 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:


TOGS is up and coming, getting in on the ground floor is an
opportunity not to be missed. Currently a privately held stock,
limited to a select few investors. This thing is gonna be bigger
than if Edsel had a baby with bernie maddof wint a pinch of enron
stuffed into a solyndra cell.
On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Waiting for GoPro to drop below 8.
*From:* Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2017 10:02 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?
Thanks for the tip!

*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

[AFMUG] Ammon City Fiber

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

Here is the new fiber network that has been developed over the last 6 
years in a suburb of Idaho Falls. A quick breakdown:


Fiber install = $3,000 to the homeowner, or financed at $15/month as a 
bond against the property for 20 years.

Fiber transport for 100Mbps = $25/month to the city
ISP service ranges from $40-$109/month depending on which provider you 
pick and which speed.


So, right now 100Mbps x 100Mbps total cost is around $149/month with $0 
install.


The other thing is the customer can switch providers "on the fly" from a 
webpage.


https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/what-if-switching-fiber-isps-was-as-easy-as-clicking-a-mouse/

Travis

[AFMUG] Hosting recommendation

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

I have a friend that is asking me for help selecting a new web hosting 
location for an active domain. It requires basic hosting functions (SQL, 
Perl, PHP, etc)... but he would also like to find someone that can help 
maintain, update, etc. the website backend and filtering attacks, etc. I 
think the main site is using Expression Engine for the backend.


He is willing to pay for the hosting as well as maintenance and such.

Travis

[AFMUG] OT Funny

[Travis Johnson]

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Why does txt spk bother me so?

[Travis Johnson]

My 18 year old son can type crazy fast on his iPhone with two fingers... 
but he is crazy slow on a regular keyboard. LOL


Compare that with my 24 and 22 year old daughters, who are both crazy 
fast on a regular keyboard AND crazy fast on their iPhones. I can still 
beat them on a keyboard (just barely), but it's fun when we race. :)


Travis


On 1/27/2017 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I thought so too until I saw a kid in the office hunt and peck with 2 
fingers on each hand.  LOL must be easier for him than "That sure was 
funny." I don't know why typing wasn't mandatory in his school 
(frickin Harvard!).  At some point this kid hunt-and-pecked his way 
through a master's thesis.


(You know who you are.  If you read this email just know that I still 
value your hard work even as you type it wrongly.)



-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" >
To: "af" >
Sent: 1/27/2017 11:00:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Why does txt spk bother me so?

I think it's perfectly normal to be bothered by it. In the days of 
typing on flip phones, it was understandable... but when I'm using a 
keyboard I just don't see how it's easier than typing actual English 
words.


On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:


ROFL

Ken Hohhof wrote:

U shouldn't be so sensitive.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 9:35 AM
To: Animal Farm >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Why does txt spk bother me so?

The boss has gone to always typing 'u' instead of 'you',
Email, text and Instant message, he does it everywhere.  It's
like nails on a chalkboard whenever I see it.  I realize that
language is evolving
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPV64Y2JfZY
 but this one
just really bothers me.




-
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
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Date: 01/27/17

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

[Travis Johnson]

Compatibility between people doesn't necessarily mean same preferences. 
Usually people with different characteristics are actually better matched.


Travis


On 1/26/2017 11:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
For fun, my wife and I both got a free eHarmony account. Worked hard 
to have the exact same preferences.  Only differences is our ages.

One week later and we still have not been matched to each other.
I wonder if the algorithm somehow knows we are related. I don’t think 
it asked for addresses.  Not even sure it asked for a last name.

In any event I guess this must mean that we are not compatible...

Re: [AFMUG] OT: EcoFlower

[Travis Johnson]

The Shark Tank guys were never in. The actual deal paperwork we got 
wasn't even close to the deal they proposed on the TV show. It's called 
reality TV.


Almost every single deal now comes with royalties, commissions, and no 
real money up front... they just want an option for 5 years to purchase 
at the same equity level. It's actually quite a scam, but we got some 
publicity out of it and have moved on. :)


Travis


On 1/27/2017 2:21 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

So the shark tank guys are totally out?

-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, January 
27, 2017 2:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: EcoFlower
We finally got it done... it's taken six months, but will be very 
worth it:


http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/01/prweb14018586.htm

Travis

[AFMUG] OT: EcoFlower

[Travis Johnson]

We finally got it done... it's taken six months, but will be very worth it:

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/01/prweb14018586.htm

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

[Travis Johnson]

Girls don't care what they drive... men would never be caught dead in a 
Hyundai. LOL


Travis

On 2/16/2017 6:46 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


Don't know dude. My daughter loves hers.it <http://hers.it> was the 
best buy by quite a margin.



On Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 6:28 PM Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:


Hyundai consumer vehicles are pretty lame.

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Sonata is pretty lame name


On Feb 15, 2017 1:33 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Nova... Pun was it didn't go anywhere because it didn't
run...

On Feb 15, 2017 1:46 PM, "Adam Moffett"
<dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually, I remember an example featuring Chevy in a
business textbook.
Apparently the Chevy Nova was a joke in Spanish
speaking countries because it sounded similar to
"don't go" or some such.

Maybe the B/Volt is just par for the course.


-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/15/2017 3:30:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt


They seem to have a naming problem.  First time I saw
a Spark, I assumed it was an EV. Nope.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

LOL!

Can't believe Chevy named them that way.

-- Original Message --

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 2/15/2017 3:17:58 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

Arrgh, it was a Volt, not a Bolt

I thought I was very clear on the phone...

*From:*Chuck McCown

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:00 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

    I found one in Provo. Going there this afternoon.

*From:*Travis Johnson

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:55 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

Contact your local Chevy dealer and have them
locate one for you... then fly there and test
drive, and maybe just drive it home. :)

Travis

On 2/15/2017 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure like to test drive the Bolt.  I like the
range it supposedly has.

*From:*Rory Conaway

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:30 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

Our lease is up on our Leaf next month and if
they have their leasing program in place, we
will be getting one.  Then again, if Nissan
gives us a huge discount, we might stay with
them.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:14 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

Supposedly deliveries started in California
around Jan. 1 .  My wife bought a Chevy Trax
around that time and the dealership didn’t
have a Bolt in the showroom and didn’t know
when that would change. It sounds like
certain states are being prioritized.
Definitely not us, perhaps not Utah either?

But come to Chicago, the Auto Show is this week.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

Anybody know if the Bolt is shipping?

  

[AFMUG] OT: Google knows

[Travis Johnson]

Now Google will be reading all of your text messages as well... if you 
use an Android phone that is... LOL


https://www.cnet.com/news/google-takes-on-apple-imessage-with-enhanced-sms-for-android-rcs/

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Friday Fun

[Travis Johnson]

That thing won't float very well in deep snow... metal tracks and heavy. 
It's great on the flat lands and grooming trails. :)


Travis

On 2/25/2017 8:39 AM, Robert wrote:


https://www.awsc.org/Clubs/Equipment/Groomer-Equipment-for-Sale/1993-Tucker-Terra-Jefferson-Co-Snowmobile-Allian 



For the serious...


On 2/25/17 7:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

We don't want to see one line yours. We want to see yours! Why so you
need if if those anyway? Need something too haul your money to the bank
in the snow? I know it can't be to get to a tower site.

Looks line fun through. I'll bet you'll have a blast In it.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017, 4:08 PM Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net
<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:

Hi,

This is my Friday fun... my new personal mini-snocat. Can-Am
Defender HD8 Cab with tracks. :)

Fully enclosed with heater, glass windshield, power glass windows
and stereo system. Mine is grey rather than yellow. :)




Travis



On 2/24/2017 2:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


There’s a crackdown on Internet porn.  Like giraffe cams.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/giraffe-birth-live-stream-briefly-removed-from-youtube-for-nudity-and-sexual-content/

__ __

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime 
Solorza

*Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2017 3:17 PM
*To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Friday Fun

__ __

Hater No need for high bandwidth.Stick to Internet porn
and routers that your users can't figure.out...LOL

On Feb 24, 2017 2:06 PM, "Josh Luthman"
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:

Pfft I doubt those are even gigabit ports.




__ __

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

__ __

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

This is how it's done...Boom..mic drop...

__ __

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Google knows

[Travis Johnson]

Nope... iMessage is encrypted and not even Apple can read the messages.

Travis

On 2/25/2017 11:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Just like iMessage and Siri.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/25/2017 8:12 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
Now Google will be reading all of your text messages as well... if 
you use an Android phone that is... LOL


https://www.cnet.com/news/google-takes-on-apple-imessage-with-enhanced-sms-for-android-rcs/ 



Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Friday Fun

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

This is my Friday fun... my new personal mini-snocat. Can-Am Defender 
HD8 Cab with tracks. :)


Fully enclosed with heater, glass windshield, power glass windows and 
stereo system. Mine is grey rather than yellow. :)





Travis


On 2/24/2017 2:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


There’s a crackdown on Internet porn.  Like giraffe cams.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/giraffe-birth-live-stream-briefly-removed-from-youtube-for-nudity-and-sexual-content/

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2017 3:17 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Friday Fun

Hater No need for high bandwidth.Stick to Internet porn and 
routers that your users can't figure.out...LOL


On Feb 24, 2017 2:06 PM, "Josh Luthman" > wrote:


Pfft I doubt those are even gigabit ports.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

This is how it's done...Boom..mic drop...

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Google knows

[Travis Johnson]

I guess I should have said that Apple isn't reading every message to try 
and get customer data, like Google does and freely admits. They do it on 
their searches, Gmail, and everything else they are involved with.


Travis


On 2/25/2017 12:05 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
That's bullshit. iMessage is not encrypted on Apple servers, which the 
messages pass through. This is why iMessage isn't considered true "end 
to end" crypto. There have been several papers written on this.


On Feb 25, 2017 1:00 PM, "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net 
<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:


Nope... iMessage is encrypted and not even Apple can read the
messages.

Travis

On 2/25/2017 11:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Just like iMessage and Siri.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

    On 2/25/2017 8:12 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

Now Google will be reading all of your text messages as
well... if you use an Android phone that is... LOL


https://www.cnet.com/news/google-takes-on-apple-imessage-with-enhanced-sms-for-android-rcs/

<https://www.cnet.com/news/google-takes-on-apple-imessage-with-enhanced-sms-for-android-rcs/>


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Friday Fun

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

In my WISP days (5 years ago), we had a Tucker Sno-cat... but it was 
their lighter weight model with rubber tracks. It was awesome to get 
people and gear to tower sites... but it still doesn't compare to a 
snowmobile with a good rider.


Several of our tower sites had a 30 degree incline with 12 feet of snow 
during the winter. A snowmobile would go right up that, while the 
sno-cat would take hours, using the winch, to finally get up the hill.


Travis


On 2/25/2017 2:20 PM, Robert wrote:
Curious if this was from personal experience or word of mouth?   The 
discussion on Tuckers on the Antenna facebook group was pretty pro 
tucker.  Maybe that was about the latest versions?


Robert

On 2/25/17 7:56 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

That thing won't float very well in deep snow... metal tracks and heavy.
It's great on the flat lands and grooming trails. :)

Travis

On 2/25/2017 8:39 AM, Robert wrote:


https://www.awsc.org/Clubs/Equipment/Groomer-Equipment-for-Sale/1993-Tucker-Terra-Jefferson-Co-Snowmobile-Allian 




For the serious...


On 2/25/17 7:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

We don't want to see one line yours. We want to see yours! Why so you
need if if those anyway? Need something too haul your money to the 
bank

in the snow? I know it can't be to get to a tower site.

Looks line fun through. I'll bet you'll have a blast In it.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017, 4:08 PM Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net
<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:

Hi,

This is my Friday fun... my new personal mini-snocat. Can-Am
Defender HD8 Cab with tracks. :)

Fully enclosed with heater, glass windshield, power glass windows
and stereo system. Mine is grey rather than yellow. :)




Travis



On 2/24/2017 2:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


There’s a crackdown on Internet porn.  Like giraffe cams.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/giraffe-birth-live-stream-briefly-removed-from-youtube-for-nudity-and-sexual-content/ 




__ __

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime
Solorza
*Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2017 3:17 PM
*To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Friday Fun

__ __

Hater No need for high bandwidth.Stick to Internet porn
and routers that your users can't figure.out...LOL

On Feb 24, 2017 2:06 PM, "Josh Luthman"
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>

wrote:

Pfft I doubt those are even gigabit ports.




__ __

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

__ __

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>

wrote:

This is how it's done...Boom..mic drop...

__ __

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

They aren't asking for the correct type of line. They just need a basic, 
metered use line from Centurylink.


Travis


On 2/23/2017 10:25 AM, Brett A Mansfield wrote:

They don't require a computer anymore.

I have some customers with POTS lines that have had far more issues than any of 
my magicJack customers.

If you can get a POTS line for only $20/mo the that would be great, but this 
customer didn't have that option.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield


On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:


On 2/23/17 09:11, Chuck McCown wrote:
I have mixed emotions.  If you got stuck in an elevator, bank vault or
burning building which would you rather have connected, magic jack or a
good old fashioned POTS line on good copper?


Who wouldn't prefer a magicjack connected to a random desktop?

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

I own 3 buildings with elevators. We have landlines for each of them... 
cost us $20/month each (measured use lines). If your client is that 
tight on money to risk a lawsuit and possibly someone getting seriously 
injured and not being able to contact EMS, I guess that's their choice.


Travis

On 2/23/2017 10:05 AM, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
I had a customer here in Utah that didn't have their phone line 
installed in time for their inspection. 30 min before the inspector 
got there we bought a magicJack and a desktop UPS for it (internet 
router and connected switch already had a UPS large enough to last 72 
hours). When the inspector saw it he said that was a great setup. The 
companies owner decided to cancel his order for the other phone line. 
It was $35/yr vs $79/mo. It's been a year and haven't had any issues. 
They test it monthly.


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


Fire codes require them for elevators and bank vaults and most alarm 
companies want them too.  Especially for the fire alarm panel.
Does not require power, it is arguably the most reliable phone line 
you can get, especially if it comes directly from the central 
office.  But even if coming from a DLC it will still be up 8 hours 
after the power goes out.  I understand why code requires it, and I 
somewhat agree.  VOIP, ATA, WISP even FTTH ONT circuits will not be 
as reliable.

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
Yes, check local ordinances.
Here it's not specifically an analog POTS line, but the line and 
anything it relies on (PBX, etc) has to operate without external 
power for some number of hours.
I would argue that a POTS line *is* the best way. Yes an ATA and a 
UPS meet the letter of the law, but who is checking the battery on 
the UPS?  Who reboots the ATA if it's locked up? etc.  The POTS line 
has no components outside of the CO, and the CO is maintained by the 
LEC.
Not that I don't want you to sell another VoIP line, but do *you* 
want to be the one getting in trouble if someone is stuck in the 
elevator and can't call for help?

-- Original Message --
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/23/2017 9:40:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Need to check with your local ordinances...
In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is 
required... (they confuse it with a dedicated line)
We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using 
an ATA).

Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


*From: *"Dave" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with
elevators that HAVE TO HAVE a quote "Hardline".
I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think
are about gone.
A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT
for their elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with
certain caveats in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for
demarc in the building.


-- 

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

This would have been about 5-6 years ago, but we found a free PHP based 
Netflow analysis program that run under Linux. We ran that on a high-end 
PC based system we build (i7 processor with 16GB of RAM at the time) and 
it was able to handle over 1Gbps of traffic. The user interface was a 
little rough, but it provided what we needed at the time... mainly 
tracking down infected and high-usage customers and traffic patterns.


Travis


On 2/14/2017 4:08 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
I don’t know which one has longer data retention … Arbor is at least a 
year.  However, most products in this space will start summarizing the 
data after a certain point in time so understanding how long the data 
is stored for may be of importantance but also understanding the level 
of that detailed data may be important as well.


For us, history is nice to have to check back over time for recurring 
patterns and stuff but not something we use a lot of … past 30-60 days 
most often … going back a year ago typically don’t care much about.


I didn’t spend a lot of time looking at their solution and yes they 
might have an offering worth looking into (not sure) … I like Arbor 
best for features, scaling, and integration with DDOS mitigation.


Attached picture is one of our Arbor systems … top box is Peakflow SP 
which does the flow analysis/reporting for 20 core routers, bottom box 
is a threat mitigation box that does surgical traffic scrubbing of 
dirty traffic and can handle 100G of attack traffic.




On Feb 7, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote:


Best in what way? It sounds like Kentik has a longer retention policy 
than Arbor, which would explain the higher space requirements.



So are you saying it may be worth a small shop asking about pricing?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From:*"Paul Stewart" >

*To:*af@afmug.com 
*Sent:*Tuesday, February 7, 2017 9:51:38 AM
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

Depends on flow volumes and stuff.. talked to them at NANOG and 
conference calls …


For a low volume shop they seem to have a slick solution - only seen 
a brief demo.  However, depending on volume they do not scale “well” 
- we were told that we would need several racks of servers to deal 
with volume :(


Arbor Peakflow is the best product out there hands down … but it’s 
well into 6 figures so your budget may not support it ….


On Feb 6, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote:

I haven't received a quote myself, but I hear it's a few hundred
a month.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From:*"Cassidy B. Larson" >
*To:*af@afmug.com 
*Sent:*Monday, February 6, 2017 8:04:14 PM
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

How much?



On Feb 6, 2017, at 7:00 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote:

Kentik is the cat's ass, though it's not a few bucks a month.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

[Travis Johnson]

Contact your local Chevy dealer and have them locate one for you... then 
fly there and test drive, and maybe just drive it home. :)


Travis


On 2/15/2017 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure like to test drive the Bolt.  I like the range it supposedly has.
*From:* Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:30 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

Our lease is up on our Leaf next month and if they have their leasing 
program in place, we will be getting one. Then again, if Nissan gives 
us a huge discount, we might stay with them.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:14 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

Supposedly deliveries started in California around Jan. 1 .  My wife 
bought a Chevy Trax around that time and the dealership didn’t have a 
Bolt in the showroom and didn’t know when that would change.  It 
sounds like certain states are being prioritized.  Definitely not us, 
perhaps not Utah either?


But come to Chicago, the Auto Show is this week.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

Anybody know if the Bolt is shipping?

Like to take one for a test drive.  Need a new car at the end of March.

It will probably be a leased leaf but I am looking around.

It will almost certainly be an EV.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: ?? Genset

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

I purchased one of these for my camping trailer last year. Even has a 
key fob for remote starting. :)


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JZQUSAC/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8=1

Very quiet (not as quiet as a Honda, but almost).

Travis


On 3/2/2017 7:13 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I am now confused on WTF I am supposed to put as a subject line for 
quasi related topics.


I just bought a fifth wheel to live in until my house is finished. I 
plan on taking a couple trips with it and the guy recommended a Honda 
EU1000. Honda makes great and very quite gensets but he mentioned it 
will only run the AC and maybe some lights and I would have to get 2 
and "hook them together" to run the whole thing.


It has a 30 Amp plug but I forgot to look what voltage it is so I 
can't calculate the max wattage I would need.


This sounds suspect. Is there some reason why I just wouldn't by a 
larger Honda EU? Does someone have a better recommendation? I hate to 
get a gas genset when the trailer runs on propane and the truck runs 
on diesel.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Six Seater Truck

[Travis Johnson]

You forgot to mention the EXTREME turbo lag... "when you step on it, and 
wait 2-3 seconds, this thing will spin the tires". :)


Travis


On 9/7/2016 5:40 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


The engine is smaller. The "big" ecoboost is 3.5L, ~~ 365 HP, and 430 
ft-lbs of torque. A very flat torque curve. 90+ % of the torque is 
available at about 1800 RPM, so it is a stump puller.


Driveability takes a little getting used to. When you would normally 
"step" on it, and expect to pull away quickly, this thing will spin 
the tires and take off like a scalded rabbit. So you learn to modulate 
your throttle foot a bit differently.


The 3.5L ecoboost is actually a quicker ride than the 5L V8. The V8 
has about 10 or 15 more horsepower, but less torque, and not anywhere 
near the ecoboost flatness. I don't think the V8 hits max torque until 
the RPM are well over 3500 RPM or so.


We get about 2-3 MPG better gas mileage with the 3.5L F-150 than we 
did on a 4L Tacoma. Bigger truck, smaller engine, more horsepower, 
less fuel. Go figure.


The one big difference is if you tow a lot. Mileage drops off about 
30% when you're pulling a 6,000 lb trailer.


bp


On 9/7/2016 4:09 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I thought Ford "Ecoboost" meant you got a smaller engine but with 
turbochargers.  My impression was same power, less gas.  Sounds like 
you're saying there's more power there too.

-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 9/7/2016 5:51:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Six Seater Truck


We love our F-150. The back seat of the supercrew is the size of a 
gymnasium. Alternatively, there's room for a dog sled team in the 
back seat. Get it with the front bench seat, and it seats 6 very 
comfortably. Get it with the ecoboost engine, and you'll be shutting 
down Mustangs at the track.



bp


On 9/7/2016 2:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


I just need a pickup truck, light duty, six seater.

Mostly to haul stuff around town, but occasionally to get up the 
mountain.


Already have a car for my 16 year old and a minivan.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 7, 2016 2:53 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Six Seater Truck

Are you sure you don’t want to buy 2 vehicles, a $10K car/SUV and a 
$10K truck?


Or will it need to hold 6 people comfortably and perform truck duty 
simultaneously?


Also, I’m assuming that by “truck” you mean a pickup truck.

*From:*Sterling Jacobson 

*Sent:*Tuesday, September 06, 2016 8:35 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Six Seater Truck

Thanks everyone, good information.

I start shopping this month.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Muehleisen
*Sent:* Friday, September 2, 2016 8:49 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Six Seater Truck

My 2013 Ford F-150 super crew v6 ecoboost will fit 6 comfortably. 3 
in the back, 3 in the front after folding the center console up. 
Seat belts for all as well. I get approx. 20mpg and with the 
ecoboost I can pull my fully loaded 21ft camper as if it weren't 
there.


On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 12:34 AM, Eric Kuhnke > wrote:


Funny story about those, they were shipped with seats in the
back to avoid the "chicken tax". Google it.

On Sep 1, 2016 7:30 PM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:

Subaru Brat.

-Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 6:28 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com '
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Six Seater Truck

I've never owned a truck for myself, but I want to buy one
now and need some help.

I really want to buy the new Ford Raptor, lol!

But my wife mandated that the truck seat six people and
cost $10k-$20k.

So I'll have to wait a couple of years until my oldest son
leaves the house before I go for the Raptor I guess.

I have no idea which model/make of trucks are capable of
seating all six of our family.

What are some options I would be looking at?

And what is a 'good' truck in this price range?

Someone told me the Dodge truck after year 2012 is the best
value.

Never owned a Dodge though, so I'm not sure about that.

I like Toyota, so the Tundra looks appealing, and I think
some versions of it seat six with the fold down console in
the middle, right?

But those are expensive.

I sold all my water toys since Utah Lake is now a mud
puddle, so I don't really have much need for towing
capacity right now.

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

[Travis Johnson]

I can get completely FREE bandwidth in Chicago. $0 for up to a 10G 
connection. FREE.


Transport is the real problem... LOL

Travis


On 9/11/2016 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.
*From:* Cassidy B. Larson 
*Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I 
can pick them up at Delong.
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect 
elsewhere.
Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and 
get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA.

I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)
On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

Are these things physically located in a single data center?

-Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 
11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com  Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:

Like to get an IX in SLC.


Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the 
internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/


Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
http://tahoeix.org/


--
Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/