[AsburyPark] Re: NYT
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorta sounds like something a scamming drug addict would say. just when i was 6 months clean, smack drops in price do you think any of ap's failures have anything to do with the people that have been making decisions and not making decisions here for the past chunk of decades? don't get me wrong, i don't mind the failures. I am not one of those people who moved here because i thought its gonna be great in a couple of years or because i invested in the place, i was happy to take it as is. but lets be real about its issues. maybe not so easy to do if you have tentacles reaching into the halls of mediocre power, or if you are afraid of being wernerized. = It has certainly been poor leadership and decision making. An unwillingness to consider the 'state of the art' in redevelopment and economic sustainability. Failure to protect public assets and the public's interests. I predicted many of the current problems as far back as 2000. I think part of being wernerized' is that they can not stand that my critiques, commentary and recommendations have been correct. They will never admit to any errors and would rather 'kill the messenger'. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just sat at the beautiful bar at stella marina with a friend. we loved seeing the casino edifice through the windows. i thought of werner because the most annoying thing about sitting at the bar (and i imagine some of the tables) is the obnoxious parking lot lights beaming in at you. love the casino building. its not ugly. The developers constantly do things that are incompatible Don't realize that it lowers the overall value of their investment Simple design issues go ignored as are sound recommendations. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Who owns the boardwalk?
Thanks Dan that would make it reasonable. No way I was accepting that they spent $60 long so they could sell hot dogs on the boardwalk. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: If MM put 60 million of their own juice in with no deal on the condos in place, then Gary M must have an abundance of man spheres, or absolutely no brain sphere. Or he's misleading and they have debt on the project. Take your pick of the 3 possibilities. Provide a 4th if you know of one. I think that sum includes the Wesley Grove purchase which was something under $50M.The other $10M is what is in the BW. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Who owns the boardwalk?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks, that makes sense, its like a street. the conversation i had with someone led me to think ap gave up too much opportunity for revenue which would make me wonder about the people making big decisions. what about the green space? === Yes Asbury Park gave up too much. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
Sorry Tommy but being almost 10 years older than you I have many more memories of The Casino. The concerts did not come until later years ---When we were young we used to go ice skating there and loved going on the carousel. My mother would dress us up and it would be a very special occasion---she even made us wear the little white lace gloves from our Holy Communion outfit! (I'm surprised my dad didn't make us carry the little white plastic prayerbooks). I think it is beautiful in the evening the way it is lit up and gives me a very special and proud feeling when I ride through the waterfront at night. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:16:29 +Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World oh come on, the nostalgia nazi didn't get that much and the carouselbuilding is a delight. i have a decent number of memories there and iam not much younger than you. not shows, but games and the like. have no idea what your problem is with CH, the place makes me swoon.so i guess you have no care for stone pony, baronet and the lanes?knock em all down?--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been a great supporter of the current Redevelopment Plan, and still am. But if you asked me what one thing I would change if they let me, it would be the decision to save the Casino. Save it is a misnomer anyway since more of it may have been gone than was left of it. What a missed opportunity. What a piece of realty, between the Ocean and a Lake. That parcel of real estate could have been used for a signature building, something world-wide glorious. Think of the Australian Opera house - when you see it, you say, That's Austrialia. Imagine a building that makes a new generation say, 'That's Asbury Park. Instead, we have Tillie, a clown face we stole from Coney Island, devoid of artistic worth, to define us. Just the construction of such a grand building and the anticipation it would bring would be it's own adverstising. Casino was always Convention Hall's ugly sister, and while you might name one or two acts that played there, it really wasn't the big of a place for shows. It had a short life as something good anyway. I'm 45 and when I was a kid it was a falling down half boarded up mess. We had this conversation before. You have to be pretty old to even remember seeing a significant act there. But alas, the Nostalgia Nazi, comprised mostly of people who never saw one day in the Casino but have mythologized its worth beyond reasonable proportion, won the day. Far be it from Asbury Park to have one outdated Hall that never turned a profit (CH). We have to have two! Good grief. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: just sat at the beautiful bar at stella marina with a friend. we loved seeing the casino edifice through the windows. i thought of werner because the most annoying thing about sitting at the bar (and i imagine some of the tables) is the obnoxious parking lot lights beaming in at you. love the casino building. its not ugly. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/10/22/ugliest.buildings/? iref=intlOnlyonCNN#cnnSTCPhoto or http://tinyurl.com/5rn24e I am shocked, SHOCKED, that the words Asbury Park and Casinodon't appear on this list. _ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_112008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Prevous Budgets
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you mean an uploaded PDF? as long as tommy is willing to. they just need to be faxed to him. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Since it was so easy to get this years - we need the past years also... say from 2000 onward... to see what has been happening and why we are $13M in debt. How about it? Could the past years be made available via the same process as the current budget? 2007, 2006, 2005 Yes Exactly, of course... Mr. Keady ? could you have the documents sent over ? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
Debbie I'm in no way minimizing your personal reminiscence. Everyone in the world has them of some place. But I can't see yours, and you can't see mine. The generations to come won't know of them at all. They won't get that feeling you get when you ride past there at night. Did Asbury Park really miss a perfect opportunity to build something of world-class proportion so folks like you and I can get a fuzzy feeling when we ride by? Personal nostalgia is no reason to save any building. Asbury Park missed a big opportunity. I'm willing to bet Gary M would agree in private. I public he can't look sour on the plan that was passed before he got here. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Debbie DeLisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Tommy but being almost 10 years older than you I have many more memories of The Casino. The concerts did not come until later years ---When we were young we used to go ice skating there and loved going on the carousel. My mother would dress us up and it would be a very special occasion---she even made us wear the little white lace gloves from our Holy Communion outfit! (I'm surprised my dad didn't make us carry the little white plastic prayerbooks). I think it is beautiful in the evening the way it is lit up and gives me a very special and proud feeling when I ride through the waterfront at night. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:16:29 +Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World oh come on, the nostalgia nazi didn't get that much and the carouselbuilding is a delight. i have a decent number of memories there and iam not much younger than you. not shows, but games and the like. have no idea what your problem is with CH, the place makes me swoon.so i guess you have no care for stone pony, baronet and the lanes?knock em all down?--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedrightjustifiedright@ wrote: I've been a great supporter of the current Redevelopment Plan, and still am. But if you asked me what one thing I would change if they let me, it would be the decision to save the Casino. Save it is a misnomer anyway since more of it may have been gone than was left of it. What a missed opportunity. What a piece of realty, between the Ocean and a Lake. That parcel of real estate could have been used for a signature building, something world-wide glorious. Think of the Australian Opera house - when you see it, you say, That's Austrialia. Imagine a building that makes a new generation say, 'That's Asbury Park. Instead, we have Tillie, a clown face we stole from Coney Island, devoid of artistic worth, to define us. Just the construction of such a grand building and the anticipation it would bring would be it's own adverstising. Casino was always Convention Hall's ugly sister, and while you might name one or two acts that played there, it really wasn't the big of a place for shows. It had a short life as something good anyway. I'm 45 and when I was a kid it was a falling down half boarded up mess. We had this conversation before. You have to be pretty old to even remember seeing a significant act there. But alas, the Nostalgia Nazi, comprised mostly of people who never saw one day in the Casino but have mythologized its worth beyond reasonable proportion, won the day. Far be it from Asbury Park to have one outdated Hall that never turned a profit (CH). We have to have two! Good grief. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: just sat at the beautiful bar at stella marina with a friend. we loved seeing the casino edifice through the windows. i thought of werner because the most annoying thing about sitting at the bar (and i imagine some of the tables) is the obnoxious parking lot lights beaming in at you.love the casino building. its not ugly. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/10/22/ugliest.buildings/? iref=intlOnlyonCNN#cnnSTCPhoto or http://tinyurl.com/5rn24e I am shocked, SHOCKED, that the words Asbury Park and Casinodon't appear on this list. _ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_112008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT: Architecture Saving Buffalos Untold Beauty
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/6pz3xn from the aritcle: Other projects have been less high profile but equally exemplary. On the October day I arrived, I met with Monica Pellegrino Faix, a representative of the Richardson Center Corporation, a local nonprofit group trying to save the asylum. The state has committed $76 million to help restore the complex, and the group is now trying to come up with potential uses for its vacant buildings, including using one for an architecture museum. I FIND THIS INCREDIBLE..THE STATE OF NY HAS COMMITTED $76 MILLION TO A PROJECT THAT LOOKS TO BE PURELY FOR THE SAKE OF PRESERVATION WITH NO DEFINATIVE USEPOSSIBLY A MUSEUM? FROM WHAT I READ IN THE RECENT MM PRESS RELEASE, BETWEEN MM AND ASBURY PARTNERS $160 MILLION OF PRIVATE MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT IN THE LATEST AP REDEVELOPMENT EFFORT. DOES ANY ONE KNOW HOW MUCH THE STATE OF NJ HAS KICKED IN DIRECTLY TO AP REDEVELOPMENT? I KNOW THEY MADE UP FOR OUR BUDJET SHORTFALL LAST YEAR, BUT ANY $$ DIRECTLY FOR PRESERVATION OF BULIDINGS ETC? John = The last State funded project toward Historic Preservation in Asbury Park was to rebuild the Water Tower on the Paramount Theater. That was a very painful and drawn out matching grant program that flagged Asbury Park as dysfunctional in protecting cultural assets as far back as 2 decades ago. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
Yeah, I saw people putting money into the meters all weekend. Recently, I saw signs on some of the meters pointing out that the fee was suspended, but it looks like most, if not all of those signs are gone. I think it's pretty bad form on the city side to not keep up on informing people that parking is free for now. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Were the Parking Meters accepting money anyway this weekend despite there being no enforcement? I was there Saturday and saw a couple trying to put money in. I told them paid parking had been suspended for the winter. The gentleman pointed out that there was no sign on the machine saying so. He was right. The witch he was with said to me, How do I know you are right? I said that it was pretty big news a couple of weeks ago around AP when the City suspended it. She seemed for some reason to grow angry with me: Well I live in Long Branch and I'm in Asbury alot and if this had been such 'big news' like you say then I would have heard about it. I know what's happening in this town I'm here all time. It ended like this: Hey, lady, go aheand and put your money in there. What do you want from me? They were still trying to put money in when I walked away. Don't know if they succeeded. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay nobepeymay@ wrote: The city could have made some nice money on parking, the bottom line is people need to park and the city deserves the right to make some money. It it is providing a safe and clean environment for visitors and it is just pocket change or a card swipe. They should have shut down the meters regrouped and had them up and running the right way in 30 days max. === Great opinion/observation... The City is bleeding . Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] MM and the $60 or $160 or $500m
--- we're once again counting someone else's money or thinking. 1. HOw much is their cut of each sale to rent? How much per drink? Sell enough booze on the boardwalk and around town and you can do ok- as long as you draw people in. MM has an incentive to bring people to their side of town - they have to empty everyone's wallet. 2. AS far as what they spent to buy Kush out, that could become a lingering qusstion. They have to sell those units or think about renting them out if they don't move more of them to acount for being the top bidder of Kush property by a pretty good number. Fromt he looks of it, Kush got out ok, but who knows? No one really nows the real deal int he partnership. ALl I know is if someone gives you money to invest, the goal is to provide a return. Otherwise, you're thinking like rest of america using credit cards and home equity- it ain't my money so let's party. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I saw people putting money into the meters all weekend. Recently, I saw signs on some of the meters pointing out that the fee was suspended, IF the merchants were so concerned about people paying to park or the developer was, you'd think they print out a couple of signs or wraps around the meters...free parking courtesy of The City of Asbury Park ends March 1 or whatever date and be sure to double the rate from .50 to $1 when it kicks in again. AND ADD FEES TO TICKETMASTER EVENTS... AND A $5.00 PER ROOM TOURIST TAX Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IF the merchants were so concerned about people paying to park or the developer was, you'd think they print out a couple of signs or wraps around the meters...free parking courtesy of The City of Asbury Park ends March 1 or whatever date and be sure to double the rate from .50 to $1 when it kicks in again. AND ADD FEES TO TICKETMASTER EVENTS... AND A $5.00 PER ROOM TOURIST TAX I'm gonna disagree with you on that, Oak. Right now the American people are getting whooped by Fascist bialouts - (Fascism = socializing business losses through government while keeping profits privatized. It's not Socialism - it's Fascism). Government and business converting your money to their uses with nothing back to you. That's Fascism. Were it socialism, something would at least be coming back to you (redistributing). Maybe Asbury would be better off advertising a bailout backlash or a bailout for people. No beach fees. No parking fees. Half the sales tax (UEZ). No hotel room tax. No tourist taxes whatsoever. Free outdoor concerts. Free entertainment in the green spaces (like Werner once pointed out - jugglers, acrobats, mimes, strongest man in the world types [note: saw a guy in AP with that show when I was a kid], etc.) Asbury Park - where you spend your money on yourself. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
Has The Right abandoned the Socialist charge and moved on to the Fascist charge (mostly exemplified by the Bush Administration, which is the closest America has gotten to fascism)? Will the next imagined charge be Marian Invasion? Andromeda Strain? On Nov 17, 2008, at 10:25 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IF the merchants were so concerned about people paying to park or the developer was, you'd think they print out a couple of signs or wraps around the meters...free parking courtesy of The City of Asbury Park ends March 1 or whatever date and be sure to double the rate from .50 to $1 when it kicks in again. AND ADD FEES TO TICKETMASTER EVENTS... AND A $5.00 PER ROOM TOURIST TAX I'm gonna disagree with you on that, Oak. Right now the American people are getting whooped by Fascist bialouts - (Fascism = socializing business losses through government while keeping profits privatized. It's not Socialism - it's Fascism). Government and business converting your money to their uses with nothing back to you. That's Fascism. Were it socialism, something would at least be coming back to you (redistributing). Maybe Asbury would be better off advertising a bailout backlash or a bailout for people. No beach fees. No parking fees. Half the sales tax (UEZ). No hotel room tax. No tourist taxes whatsoever. Free outdoor concerts. Free entertainment in the green spaces (like Werner once pointed out - jugglers, acrobats, mimes, strongest man in the world types [note: saw a guy in AP with that show when I was a kid], etc.) Asbury Park - where you spend your money on yourself. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm gonna disagree with you on that, Oak. Maybe Asbury would be better off advertising a bailout backlash or a bailout for people. No beach fees. No parking fees. Half the sales tax (UEZ). No hotel room tax. No tourist taxes whatsoever. Ok. Whose gonna bailout the city to cover for it all? If the developer,whose using someone else's money is willing to pay for all that free stuff you propose, like lifeguards, gate guards, police, lighting, signage. If a room can go for $150-$250 night...or a drink $11 (at least my blue was only $5)or dinner $30 plus appetizers, drinks, deserts etc or a knick knack old propeller decoration is $3,000... BASED ON EXPERIENCE over the years on the boardwalk when things got depserate, FREE BEACHES did bring people in and helped the merchants out some BUT did nothing to help out the city. They still had to pay the bill. So it's ok for an individual business owner or developer with debt free money to profit at the expense of the city? I think asking everyone to contribute $1 or $2 isn't the worse thing in the world to help AP climb out of hibernation. If I (or anyone else) can for over money for booze, paying $1 for parking or another $5 on a room for $150 isn't the end of the world. And the landlords of the city should just give free rent? Remember, the city is one giant landlord - collecting rent to cover and provide the essential services so that their residents (tenants) can propser. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has The Right abandoned the Socialist charge and moved on to the Fascist charge (mostly exemplified by the Bush Administration, which is the closest America has gotten to fascism)? No John, not the whole Right; just me. I'm beating the drum to call it Fascism because I want the nation to at least be correct about which ism we are tending toward economically. Of course the charge I'm making is against the Bush administration. The new President isn't in charge yet. Hopefully he'll give me nohting to complain about. But lets not go off on a purly political tangent. I brought it up in relation to a an advertising blitz I think AP could benefit from if they advertise a backlash against other people taking your money. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
Everyone on this board is studying the budget. Let's see what we can come up with to defer the cost of lifeguards. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I'm gonna disagree with you on that, Oak. Maybe Asbury would be better off advertising a bailout backlash or a bailout for people. No beach fees. No parking fees. Half the sales tax (UEZ). No hotel room tax. No tourist taxes whatsoever. Ok. Whose gonna bailout the city to cover for it all? If the developer,whose using someone else's money is willing to pay for all that free stuff you propose, like lifeguards, gate guards, police, lighting, signage. If a room can go for $150-$250 night...or a drink $11 (at least my blue was only $5)or dinner $30 plus appetizers, drinks, deserts etc or a knick knack old propeller decoration is $3,000... BASED ON EXPERIENCE over the years on the boardwalk when things got depserate, FREE BEACHES did bring people in and helped the merchants out some BUT did nothing to help out the city. They still had to pay the bill. So it's ok for an individual business owner or developer with debt free money to profit at the expense of the city? I think asking everyone to contribute $1 or $2 isn't the worse thing in the world to help AP climb out of hibernation. If I (or anyone else) can for over money for booze, paying $1 for parking or another $5 on a room for $150 isn't the end of the world. And the landlords of the city should just give free rent? Remember, the city is one giant landlord - collecting rent to cover and provide the essential services so that their residents (tenants) can propser. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Topic change to Taxes and Free Beaches....
And the problem created when FREE BEACHES took place... The african americans and spanish came to town. That was the unofficial problem created by free beaches. Beach fees help the problem. BUT, as a merchant who sold cheap beach buckets (or gave them away cause I hated to here someone say you ain't getting that, shutup...) or one who was taught early on that people with money to spend are good people... the more people with money to spend, the more you make. That, I was taught not in college, but on the boardwalk from every old guy there was. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone on this board is studying the budget. Let's see what we can come up with to defer the cost of lifeguards. We all take our out of shape asses and sit on the chair for free and try to look good ADvertise on the lifeguards chairs and ON the lifeguards backs or asses... I have two more ideas, but their so good, I have to figure out how I can money off itnot big bucks... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I saw people putting money into the meters all weekend. Recently, I saw signs on some of the meters pointing out that the fee was suspended, but it looks like most, if not all of those signs are gone. I think it's pretty bad form on the city side to not keep up on informing people that parking is free for now. === Having attended the meetings I can tell you that complaints about having to PAY were never the issue. The issue was - the machines not being easy to understand, not giving change, getting tickets... etc. There is absolutely a need to have people paying, there is debt service on the cost of the system. There is potential revenue (+cash flow) to be realized going forward. This has become another silly exercise without clear goals and flawed policy making. The meeting discussion started out about SUSPENDING ENFORCEMENT... Then morphed into announcing that parking was free. Silly... Dysfunctional Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM and the $60 or $160 or $500m
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one really nows the real deal int he partnership. == I maintain the opinion that the Public has a right to be privy to any dealings Asbury Partners has with 3rd parties. The entire basis for their involvement in Asbury Park is the Public declaration of a Redevelopment Zone and their acceptance as a Redeveloper. That all involves the Public trust and partnership with the City. The Public has every right to know what they do on the Public's behalf. Perhaps a legal action to compel disclosure is needed? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The meeting discussion started out about SUSPENDING ENFORCEMENT... Then morphed into announcing that parking was free. Silly... Dysfunctional Werner Exactly. No reason to make it free. $1.00 to park should be FREE, but to go pay at least $80 for a bite and a drink? PRemium outlets wanted 8.00 to valet your car. and there were people who had their cars valet parked. The merchants can always give a $1.00 off the final bill if they felt it really made a difference. Good service, good food, drinks, weather or something else you offer brings people in if you don't have people want, they aren't coming in. Another fact of life in the business world. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM and the $60 or $160 or $500m
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: I maintain the opinion that the Public has a right to be privy to Interesting thoughts. But does it give the right to lease agreements between the tenants and MM/PArtners or Live Nation or the Pony/WB? And what's really the status of the Esperanza or what does MM plan and when, with the rest of their bargain they gained from Kushner... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM and the $60 or $160 or $500m
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: I maintain the opinion that the Public has a right to be privy to Interesting thoughts. But does it give the right to lease agreements between the tenants and MM/PArtners or Live Nation or the Pony/WB? And what's really the status of the Esperanza or what does MM plan and when, with the rest of their bargain they gained from Kushner... = I think that any Sub-Developer agreements that APartners engages in would be open to examination. The 'developer/sub-developer' characterizations are derived directly from public law and public policy making. They are acting only under the rights granted to them by the Public (City Council). Opening tenants leases and agreements with property owners to public scrutiny I think would be a stretch however. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT
Sort of like not fixing a porch and now facing 14 years in prison and $30k + in fines? = It has certainly been poor leadership and decision making. An unwillingness to consider the 'state of the art' in redevelopment and economic sustainability. Failure to protect public assets and the public's interests. I predicted many of the current problems as far back as 2000. I think part of being wernerized' is that they can not stand that my critiques, commentary and recommendations have been correct. They will never admit to any errors and would rather 'kill the messenger'. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
Developer gets stay on Asbury COs BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU NOVEMBER 15, 2008 ASBURY PARK The city's new stores and restaurants are open this weekend and most days of the week, but attempts by the city and beachfront developer Madison Marquette to settle how they'll share waterfront revenues ended up in Superior Court Friday. Madison Marquette appeared before Judge Patricia Del Bueno Cleary, who restrained the city from acting on expired temporary certificates of occupancy for the boardwalk tenants until a full hearing is held, probably in early December. The temporary COs expire today. The city has tied permanent COs for dozens of year-round venues to getting a redeveloper's agreement between the two sides in place. It was to have been finished by last Memorial Day before Madison Marquette started rolling out the first of the renovated pavilions. Over the summer and fall, the city agreed to new deadlines, first Sept. 15 and then today. The real issue here is, we've been attempting to get a subsequent developer agreement for a year, City Manager Terence Reidy said Friday night. Both sides indicated Friday that a divide between the two at this point focuses on parking. The city appears determined to gain financial self-sufficiency and needs to make money 50 cents an hour with new parking meters. When summer ended, Madison Marquette and boardwalk tenants asked that the city not enforce the paid parking in the winter. Madison Marquette also does not want paid parking in the evening hours next summer. The city in October agreed to shut down parking for the winter but did so with the understanding Madison Marquette would offset some part of the city's loss. For 10 to 12 weeks, the city's allowed to charge for parking, and the entire rest of the year, we're not, Reidy said. That allows Madison Marquette to control our destiny. In a letter to Madison on Thursday, Nov. 13, Reidy summed up that the city had responded a month earlier to the impact of the changing outside market conditions on Madison Marquette's ability to finish the agreement at that time. And he indicated some form of agreement had been reached for Madison Marquette to give the city a payment for the lost parking revenue, for the city to give the developer some form of 30-year payment in lieu of taxes on new construction and for the temporary COs to stand for three more months until negotiations concluded. Reidy said a subsequent proposal from Madison Marquette had made those areas of agreement elusive and as of today, the temporary COs would be up, and the company would be leasing the pavilions illegally and would get daily fines. Madison Marquette could still stop the city from acting by making a $75,000 payment for the lost parking revenues, Reidy said in the letter. The city would still offer the 30-year payments in lieu of taxes on new pavilion constructions, and the temporary COs would be good until Feb. 15. Gary Mottola, president of investments for Madison Marquette, turned that down and said Friday he went to court instead and obtained the injunction until a full hearing is held. Basically, the judge separated the tenants' rights to utilize their space from any issues involving the developer and agreements between the developer and the city, said Madison's attorney, Roger Roisman. It's the parking, said Deputy Mayor Jim Bruno. We can't get past the parking. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been a great supporter of the current Redevelopment Plan, and still am. But if you asked me what one thing I would change if they let me, it would be the decision to save the Casino. Save it is a misnomer anyway since more of it may have been gone than was left of it. Last time I was there, the majority of it had been demolished. So I guess I agree with your second point but am wondering what you mean by the decision to save it. It's obvious the developers had no intention of saving anything. What a missed opportunity. What a piece of realty, between the Ocean and a Lake. That parcel of real estate could have been used for a signature building, something world-wide glorious. Think of the Australian Opera house - when you see it, you say, That's Austrialia. Imagine a building that makes a new generation say, 'That's Asbury Park. Why can't that still happen? Given the bandshell situation, contracts and agreements are obviously a fluid thing on the boardwalk. Supplant the original agreement, bring the fish and the dog-catcher back to the table and draw up a new agreement that benefits all parties better than the current mall-on-the-sand plan. Just the construction of such a grand building and the anticipation it would bring would be it's own adverstising. Agreed. Casino was always Convention Hall's ugly sister, In your opinion perhaps. I actually found the Casino to be more inviting than CH, if only because of the pseudo-Mediterranean curves of the roof and the tall windows overlooking the beach. There's nothing wrong with CH, but visually it's a bit more blocky, more Lego- y. It's slightly more utilitarian, whereas the Casino always looked like it was trying to make an artistic statement. and while you might name one or two acts that played there, it really wasn't the big of a place for shows. Irrelevant now that it's gone. And Convention Hall wasn't built to take the constant pounding of amplified performances. A new, 21st century Casino could be. We had this conversation before. You have to be pretty old to even remember seeing a significant act there. If age and personal connection to past glory were prerequisites for preservation, we'd have no Count Basie Theatre, Loews Jersey, Independence Hall, Pantheon, or Great Wall. But alas, the Nostalgia Nazi, comprised mostly of people who never saw one day in the Casino but have mythologized its worth beyond reasonable proportion, won the day. Again, apparently not. It's gone. Far be it from Asbury Park to have one outdated Hall that never turned a profit (CH). We have to have two! See above. Build a new one, with visual nods to the past but the structural integrity of the present to ensure viability into the future. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU NOVEMBER 15, 2008 ok. F'em. Madison Marquette also does not want paid parking in the evening hours next summer. WHY?? So they can ahrge to valet your car? ENOUGH is ENOUGH? And by the way of the last agreement and other agreements that are meaningless... isn't MM/PArtners supposed to reimburse the city the costs of legal fees and other professionals?? So the city has to go to court to enforce an iron-clad agreement by a man of his word.. Lay down and let me walk all over you, because if you don't let me walk over you then... THEN WHAT? Lay 'em on the table and call it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
How about this gem; For 10 to 12 weeks, the city's allowed to charge for parking, and the entire rest of the year, we're not, Reidy said. That allows Madison Marquette to control our destiny. Control our destiny, such as designing the bandshell right out of the redevelopment... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU NOVEMBER 15, 2008 ok. F'em. Madison Marquette also does not want paid parking in the evening hours next summer. WHY?? So they can ahrge to valet your car? ENOUGH is ENOUGH? And by the way of the last agreement and other agreements that are meaningless... isn't MM/PArtners supposed to reimburse the city the costs of legal fees and other professionals?? So the city has to go to court to enforce an iron-clad agreement by a man of his word.. Lay down and let me walk all over you, because if you don't let me walk over you then... THEN WHAT? Lay 'em on the table and call it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about this gem; Did I say this F'EM? 1. Let People Pay for parking. a) they pay for food. b) they pay for drinks. c) they tip d) they have a good time e) they feel safe, or they wouldn't come f) they feel they have value for their money 2. The Merchants (or MM) can have staff members staioned at the meters, offering free parking cards or sticking money in the meters OR the merchants can validate your parking receipt - in effect giving you a refund on your parking fee for one hour or two hours or threeSPLURGE for $1 or $2 so your customer can spend $10 or $100 or more IF THE CITY can't tax, can't charge to PARK to USE the city's property (boardwalk, beach and roads, sanitation on public property, lights and most importantly in the summer the SAND) then might as well file for bankruptcy today. This is the FIRST TIME since who the f knows when the CITY has a chance to actually earn some revenues they have yet another GUN pointed at their heads and are takin gthe barrel in their mouths. enough. Start charging for parking and make it $1.00 an hour. In the peak summer make to $2 hour. Free parking west of kinglsey. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
---the fairy-tale drawing I posted before of a concept casino/resort hotel...http://tinyurl.com/57jcam Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
What about the whole concept of the cities investment in the parking meter equipment? It's pretty obvious that people don't really have a hard time paying to park, since they are still doing it, even though it's currently free. I sincerely doubt that the rather tiny cost of parking is going to keep people away. The bigger problem is having a year round boardwalk that has enough of an attraction to keep going year round. As it stands now, I don't see that happening. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: How about this gem; Did I say this F'EM? 1. Let People Pay for parking. a) they pay for food. b) they pay for drinks. c) they tip d) they have a good time e) they feel safe, or they wouldn't come f) they feel they have value for their money 2. The Merchants (or MM) can have staff members staioned at the meters, offering free parking cards or sticking money in the meters OR the merchants can validate your parking receipt - in effect giving you a refund on your parking fee for one hour or two hours or threeSPLURGE for $1 or $2 so your customer can spend $10 or $100 or more IF THE CITY can't tax, can't charge to PARK to USE the city's property (boardwalk, beach and roads, sanitation on public property, lights and most importantly in the summer the SAND) then might as well file for bankruptcy today. This is the FIRST TIME since who the f knows when the CITY has a chance to actually earn some revenues they have yet another GUN pointed at their heads and are takin gthe barrel in their mouths. enough. Start charging for parking and make it $1.00 an hour. In the peak summer make to $2 hour. Free parking west of kinglsey. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Fwd: HAPPENINGS AT PLAN B
From: Restaurantplanb To: JMH118 Sent: 11/17/2008 11:20:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: HAPPENINGS AT PLAN B Dear Friends and Family... Wow is November flying by. A few exciting things are happening at Restaurant Plan B. First, we are hosting the great Danza Milian for the November Collide-A-Scope art festival. This will be Friday, November 21st at 7pm. Danza Milian is a dancer, performer and entertainer, of the art of female impersonation. This should be a fun evening. Make your dinner reservations early. Second, we are now offering, PLAN B, the bakery. Many of our home made desserts are available for purchase, for private parties, holidays, we will also be offering custom occasion cakes, as well as erotic cakes. I hope to have a brochure within the week. Please email me any immediate inquiries. We will be offering desserts such as our Pumpkin Cheese Cake, The Coconut Cake, The Strawberry Cake, Apple Pie, Key Lime Pie to name a few. Third and most important, Zagats is now sponsoring a New Jersey restaurant survey. Its now our chance to get Zagats listed. Please go to Zagats.com...search New Jersey, and type in Restaurant Plan B. Write a review...and hopefully we can get included in the next Zagats. Please don't forget you will have to register with Zagats and that only takes a minute. Don't forget our PRIX FIXE MENU, TUESDAY -FRIDAY 4:30 PM-6:30 PM $25.00 4 COURSE DINNER. BRUNCH SATURDAY AND SUNDAY 10 AM -4 PM. WE ARE ALSO NOW TAKING RESERVATIONS FOR HOLIDAY PARTIES...NEW YEARS EVE(MORE TO COME SOON) WE ALSO HAVE GIFT CERTIFICATES AVAILABLE... BUY 100.00 WORTH OF GIFT CERTIFICATES AND RECEIVE A BONUS 20.00 GIFT CERTIFICATE. We will see you at the beach. Jeffrey _Get the Moviefone Toolbar_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=e mlcntusdown0001) . Showtimes, theaters, movie news more! **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
On Nov 17, 2008, at 10:38 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has The Right abandoned the Socialist charge and moved on to the Fascist charge (mostly exemplified by the Bush Administration, which is the closest America has gotten to fascism)? No John, not the whole Right; just me. No. I'm seeing it everywhere. But you're usually right in step. \ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] lastly...
...Many communities need new retail destinations that reflect who they are and what they want, said Gary Mottola, President of Madison Marquette Investments. Our strategy is to identify where these opportunities exist and then create distinctive destinations that convey a real sense of place and best meet the needs of the surrounding community. - Best meets the needs of the city? Pay some taxes or let the city earn some money as well The Funds' investors include some of the industry's most recognized institutional investors, such as ABP, ColoradoPERS, OhioSERS, PennsylvaniaSERS and Wells Fargo. Madison Marquette Retail Enhancement Fund $487,000,000 - June 2007 Offering of limited partnership interests Blind pool basis Retail-focused value-added fund Oversubscribed Investors include major U.S. and foreign public pension plans, insurance companies and taxable investors -- Blind pools are a thing of the past- another trust me fund. Love to see the return on this fund in one year, given that most reits are down over 30% to 70%, especially blind pools which may HAVE to give back money at 100% plus if NOT invested. at least that's my understanding of them Look at those that probably are getting f'd byt his fund. Insurance companies, banks,retirement accounts, retail focused and taxable investors. one big circle. And AP should take it? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
Sounds like Gary Mottolla agrees with me on the issue. Give people every reason to come to AP. We aren't popular enough yet to start challenging their decision to come with parking meters. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU NOVEMBER 15, 2008 ASBURY PARK The city's new stores and restaurants are open this weekend and most days of the week, but attempts by the city and beachfront developer Madison Marquette to settle how they'll share waterfront revenues ended up in Superior Court Friday. Madison Marquette appeared before Judge Patricia Del Bueno Cleary, who restrained the city from acting on expired temporary certificates of occupancy for the boardwalk tenants until a full hearing is held, probably in early December. The temporary COs expire today. The city has tied permanent COs for dozens of year-round venues to getting a redeveloper's agreement between the two sides in place. It was to have been finished by last Memorial Day before Madison Marquette started rolling out the first of the renovated pavilions. Over the summer and fall, the city agreed to new deadlines, first Sept. 15 and then today. The real issue here is, we've been attempting to get a subsequent developer agreement for a year, City Manager Terence Reidy said Friday night. Both sides indicated Friday that a divide between the two at this point focuses on parking. The city appears determined to gain financial self-sufficiency and needs to make money 50 cents an hour with new parking meters. When summer ended, Madison Marquette and boardwalk tenants asked that the city not enforce the paid parking in the winter. Madison Marquette also does not want paid parking in the evening hours next summer. The city in October agreed to shut down parking for the winter but did so with the understanding Madison Marquette would offset some part of the city's loss. For 10 to 12 weeks, the city's allowed to charge for parking, and the entire rest of the year, we're not, Reidy said. That allows Madison Marquette to control our destiny. In a letter to Madison on Thursday, Nov. 13, Reidy summed up that the city had responded a month earlier to the impact of the changing outside market conditions on Madison Marquette's ability to finish the agreement at that time. And he indicated some form of agreement had been reached for Madison Marquette to give the city a payment for the lost parking revenue, for the city to give the developer some form of 30-year payment in lieu of taxes on new construction and for the temporary COs to stand for three more months until negotiations concluded. Reidy said a subsequent proposal from Madison Marquette had made those areas of agreement elusive and as of today, the temporary COs would be up, and the company would be leasing the pavilions illegally and would get daily fines. Madison Marquette could still stop the city from acting by making a $75,000 payment for the lost parking revenues, Reidy said in the letter. The city would still offer the 30-year payments in lieu of taxes on new pavilion constructions, and the temporary COs would be good until Feb. 15. Gary Mottola, president of investments for Madison Marquette, turned that down and said Friday he went to court instead and obtained the injunction until a full hearing is held. Basically, the judge separated the tenants' rights to utilize their space from any issues involving the developer and agreements between the developer and the city, said Madison's attorney, Roger Roisman. It's the parking, said Deputy Mayor Jim Bruno. We can't get past the parking. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
Yeah, but what about the money the city invested in meters? Seems to me that except when there is a big musical event at the boardwalk on the off season, the boardwalk is still a ghost town. High end retail on the boardwalk is going to tank... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like Gary Mottolla agrees with me on the issue. Give people every reason to come to AP. We aren't popular enough yet to start challenging their decision to come with parking meters. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU NOVEMBER 15, 2008 ASBURY PARK The city's new stores and restaurants are open this weekend and most days of the week, but attempts by the city and beachfront developer Madison Marquette to settle how they'll share waterfront revenues ended up in Superior Court Friday. Madison Marquette appeared before Judge Patricia Del Bueno Cleary, who restrained the city from acting on expired temporary certificates of occupancy for the boardwalk tenants until a full hearing is held, probably in early December. The temporary COs expire today. The city has tied permanent COs for dozens of year-round venues to getting a redeveloper's agreement between the two sides in place. It was to have been finished by last Memorial Day before Madison Marquette started rolling out the first of the renovated pavilions. Over the summer and fall, the city agreed to new deadlines, first Sept. 15 and then today. The real issue here is, we've been attempting to get a subsequent developer agreement for a year, City Manager Terence Reidy said Friday night. Both sides indicated Friday that a divide between the two at this point focuses on parking. The city appears determined to gain financial self-sufficiency and needs to make money 50 cents an hour with new parking meters. When summer ended, Madison Marquette and boardwalk tenants asked that the city not enforce the paid parking in the winter. Madison Marquette also does not want paid parking in the evening hours next summer. The city in October agreed to shut down parking for the winter but did so with the understanding Madison Marquette would offset some part of the city's loss. For 10 to 12 weeks, the city's allowed to charge for parking, and the entire rest of the year, we're not, Reidy said. That allows Madison Marquette to control our destiny. In a letter to Madison on Thursday, Nov. 13, Reidy summed up that the city had responded a month earlier to the impact of the changing outside market conditions on Madison Marquette's ability to finish the agreement at that time. And he indicated some form of agreement had been reached for Madison Marquette to give the city a payment for the lost parking revenue, for the city to give the developer some form of 30-year payment in lieu of taxes on new construction and for the temporary COs to stand for three more months until negotiations concluded. Reidy said a subsequent proposal from Madison Marquette had made those areas of agreement elusive and as of today, the temporary COs would be up, and the company would be leasing the pavilions illegally and would get daily fines. Madison Marquette could still stop the city from acting by making a $75,000 payment for the lost parking revenues, Reidy said in the letter. The city would still offer the 30-year payments in lieu of taxes on new pavilion constructions, and the temporary COs would be good until Feb. 15. Gary Mottola, president of investments for Madison Marquette, turned that down and said Friday he went to court instead and obtained the injunction until a full hearing is held. Basically, the judge separated the tenants' rights to utilize their space from any issues involving the developer and agreements between the developer and the city, said Madison's attorney, Roger Roisman. It's the parking, said Deputy Mayor Jim Bruno. We can't get past the parking. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World
AMEN! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: IF the merchants were so concerned about people paying to park or the developer was, you'd think they print out a couple of signs or wraps around the meters...free parking courtesy of The City of Asbury Park ends March 1 or whatever date and be sure to double the rate from .50 to $1 when it kicks in again. AND ADD FEES TO TICKETMASTER EVENTS... AND A $5.00 PER ROOM TOURIST TAX I'm gonna disagree with you on that, Oak. Right now the American people are getting whooped by Fascist bialouts - (Fascism = socializing business losses through government while keeping profits privatized. It's not Socialism - it's Fascism). Government and business converting your money to their uses with nothing back to you. That's Fascism. Were it socialism, something would at least be coming back to you (redistributing). Maybe Asbury would be better off advertising a bailout backlash or a bailout for people. No beach fees. No parking fees. Half the sales tax (UEZ). No hotel room tax. No tourist taxes whatsoever. Free outdoor concerts. Free entertainment in the green spaces (like Werner once pointed out - jugglers, acrobats, mimes, strongest man in the world types [note: saw a guy in AP with that show when I was a kid], etc.) Asbury Park - where you spend your money on yourself. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like Gary Mottolla agrees with me on the issue. Give people every reason to come to AP. We aren't popular enough yet to start challenging their decision to come with parking meters. And where do you draw that insane conclusion? AP was packed Sat night. There was a reason. Shit was happening. So how about MM paying the 75K? How many people need a $3,000 propeller or a $750 red chair everyday? Not many. How many people would bring their kids to the boardwalk for something to do vs being stuck inside with them all winter? Many. PAy up tommy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And where do you draw that insane conclusion? AP was packed Sat night. There was a reason. Shit was happening. Sure Oak - have a concert and draw a crowd. What about the other 300+ days a year? People will factor into their decision to come to the Boardwalk not just the 50 cents an hour, but the pain in the ass of having to go back to the meter and the $26.00 ticket if you don't make it on time. Who needs the hassle. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
I'm 100% certain that the masses that came to the city on Saturday for a concert would've happily paid to park. It comes with the territory of going to see a show. If you are going to MSG for a concert, you'll pay for parking. Same thing in Newark and so on. The city lost an opportunity this weekend. The city is also letting MM do whatever they want, because they are blinded by the glow of their celebrity and . In the end, somebody is going to make a lot of money, and it's not going to be the city of Asbury Park. MM will be laughing all the way to the bank. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: And where do you draw that insane conclusion? AP was packed Sat night. There was a reason. Shit was happening. Sure Oak - have a concert and draw a crowd. What about the other 300+ days a year? People will factor into their decision to come to the Boardwalk not just the 50 cents an hour, but the pain in the ass of having to go back to the meter and the $26.00 ticket if you don't make it on time. Who needs the hassle. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure Oak - have a concert and draw a crowd. What about the other 300+ days a year? The typical season was 110 days. And with that, you hoped and prayed for nice weather. YOu were on your own with no backing. Here's a major developer and retailer asking for and getting a break on .50 hour parking fees. How do you construct retail with NO parking. every major developer HAS to provide parking as per any town regulation. So ,many spots per 1,000 sq ft so the developer gets to use city property for their benefit and gain (rent) while the city gets It's not the city's responsbility to make money for the investor. They bought CH. They bought the rights. They bought the rights to make money. The city and developer(s) signed agreements. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
And once again, the success of a musical weekend in AP proves, once again, that music is pretty much the number one draw that's going to bring people to the boardwalk. And this is where the redevelopment has made a wrong turn. High end retail, year round, on the boardwalk is totally wrong. If the acres of empty lots were developed into music venues, and eateries, we'd be headed in the right direction, big time. Too bad that's not going to happen, and we going to live with C-8 part 2 for who knows how long? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: And where do you draw that insane conclusion? AP was packed Sat night. There was a reason. Shit was happening. Sure Oak - have a concert and draw a crowd. What about the other 300+ days a year? People will factor into their decision to come to the Boardwalk not just the 50 cents an hour, but the pain in the ass of having to go back to the meter and the $26.00 ticket if you don't make it on time. Who needs the hassle. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm 100% certain that the masses that came to the city on Saturday for a concert would've happily paid to park. It comes with the territory of going to see a show. well said. Train (20 plus) to MSG or parking at javits or a NYC show $48 or more The thinking is if they don't have to spend $2.00 to park for FOURM hours, maybe they'll spend that money in the bar... Let MM run their lots as they want, even hanging FREE parking signs. The city should give them the permits for those lots AND TAX them acordingly - not as vacant land. Let those free lots get filled then let whomever else wants, pay to park. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
What about the concept of the City stepping up to the plate and having the balls to show MM who the boss is? Obviously, MM thinks they are. I had pretty good evidence of that when I saw Mottolla playing cop on the boardwalk by telling a women, who was walking her dog on the deserted boardwalk one day, that she had to leave, that dogs weren't allowed here. If that ever happens to me, Mottolla is going to have to call the cops, because he has no right to do that. He's overstepping his bounds, but that's just evidence of how MM views their role in the city. They have us by the balls. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'm 100% certain that the masses that came to the city on Saturday for a concert would've happily paid to park. It comes with the territory of going to see a show. well said. Train (20 plus) to MSG or parking at javits or a NYC show $48 or more The thinking is if they don't have to spend $2.00 to park for FOURM hours, maybe they'll spend that money in the bar... Let MM run their lots as they want, even hanging FREE parking signs. The city should give them the permits for those lots AND TAX them acordingly - not as vacant land. Let those free lots get filled then let whomever else wants, pay to park. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a major developer and retailer asking for and getting a break on .50 hour parking fees. How do you construct retail with NO parking. every major developer HAS to provide parking as per any town regulation. So ,many spots per 1,000 sq ft so the developer gets to use city property for their benefit and gain (rent) while the city gets It's not the city's responsbility to make money for the investor. They bought CH. They bought the rights. They bought the rights to make money. The city and developer(s) signed agreements. === One would think that its obvious...People have still not come to grips withe reason for redevelopment Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] And free parking summer nights???
WHY?? 1. Stay open past 9pm and people will come. It's the summer. 2. IN MOST tourist towns, at NIGHT is when parking fees go UP. The more people, the more you charge. YOu see, if you make the parking meters FREE, then they would get filled up first and the city gets ZERO dollars. BUT then, since the free spots are taken, then the boardwalk merchants would complain there's not enough parking so people have to walkso then MM rolls out their own VALET SERVICE at $10 or more per car as cars pull up to Stella or Tims or for an event and guess what, MM makes $10,000 grand parking cars peak days and the city gets the benefit of knowing they offered FREE parking. And you don;t think they would valet the cars in the free city owned spots Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Here's a major developer and retailer asking for and getting a break on .50 hour parking fees. I can get dragged up to C21 Department stores in Morristown and park in the garage connected to C21. You get your ticket validated probably for the first couple hours then pay so much per hour ( .50 hour). The place is packed. Then we leave, drive down the street and park again to eat. I look at the sign, the meter (see if I got one with time) and then dig for change. Or... I can go to C21 in Paramus and park for free - that is if you can find a spot. See there oak, other places you get to park for freeyea, I know, but those are privately owned shopping centers, where the tenant is paying a portion of their rent to care of the parking lot, for the benefit of the tenant. One of the best selling points I can make if I had to sell a shopping center that had muni parking lot and not their own look - ZERO parking responsibilityit's all public parking lot owned by the county or city... Guess how much it cost just to have a lot plowed? Do you think the city before winter tenants knocked themselves out on Ocean Ave? No. Now who's going to get plowed first this season? And whose going to pay for it - you just can't plow it now - you have to shift it around... It all costs money. MM snow removal costs will be near zero other then from their own storefronts.. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lay 'em on the table and call it. I suspect (hope) the city will stand pat. I counseled so last year with regard to the Wesley Grove purchase and the city got its money. It takes two to tango. We have a right to have metered parking. Lease all the metered spots to MM for the greater of $500K per annum or 10% of the parking revenue. If they want to give it away fro free let them but we get paid. If it is metered, we can talk about enforcement for a split of the profit on tickets. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like Gary Mottolla agrees with me on the issue. Give people every reason to come to AP. We aren't popular enough yet to start challenging their decision to come with parking meters. What I said 5 years ago - provincial myopia. Most of what has kept AP down is the thinking that is was not good enough. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Sounds like Gary Mottolla agrees with me on the issue. Give people every reason to come to AP. We aren't popular enough yet to start challenging their decision to come with parking meters. What I said 5 years ago - provincial myopia. Most of what has kept AP down is the thinking that is was not good enough. You still haven't grasped the Tao of the Clamdigger. Bad enough I get charged to walk near the water. Now I have to be charged to park near it too? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You still haven't grasped the Tao of the Clamdigger. Bad enough I get charged to walk near the water. Now I have to be charged to park near it too? Who's looking for clamdiggers - no free lunch Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bad enough I get charged to walk near the water. Now I have to be charged to park near it too? No. Park and walk or sit out west there and play in one of those mud- holes or come and enjoy the ocean. There's free beaches in the area - in deal where you can park and sit on the sand for free. If you bring a boogies board, you can even go in the water for free without getting a ticket for swimming. Free. Just no lifeguards if you choose to go the free route. Belmar charges around $18 jsut to put a boat in the water in the marina...long branch has a free drop.. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: You still haven't grasped the Tao of the Clamdigger. Bad enough I get charged to walk near the water. Now I have to be charged to park near it too? Who's looking for clamdiggers - no free lunch You have to respond to the market and the market is still local. As soon as they started charging to park in AP we went elsewhere. Came back when they stopped. Same will be true next year. Clamdiggers Unite!!! Maybe I'll start and organization against beach front parking meters. Join up with Surfriders or something. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bad enough I get charged to walk near the water. Now I have to be charged to park near it too? Come up with another immediate revenue generating mechanism in AP that are really, in the Internet world, micropayments. Who's plowing snow off Cookman Ave? The City Who's plowing snow off The Boardwalk and Ocean Ave? The City? Who has to provide fire and police? Meanwhile, the city can't generate meaningful property taxes nor other revenues on their rights to an asset - the boardwalk, ocean ave and the water and sand. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Bad enough I get charged to walk near the water. Now I have to be charged to park near it too? Come up with another immediate revenue generating mechanism in AP that are really, in the Internet world, micropayments. If people don't come because of them then what good are they? Who's plowing snow off Cookman Ave? The City Actually the last major snowstorm we had a couple years back the City couldn't respond. We downtown businesses couldn't get there. After a day Henry Vaccaro showed up with his equipment and cleared the streets. Meanwhile, the city can't generate meaningful property taxes nor other revenues on their rights to an asset - the boardwalk, ocean ave and the water and sand. Nor will they if they keep giving folks more reasons not to come. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As soon as they started charging to park in AP we went elsewhere. Came back when they stopped. Same will be true next year. And for everyone that decided not to come because of the meters, three others took their place. This year we charge for parking and it is almost impossible to get a space near the beachfront. Last year, no meters and much more parking available - under better market conditions. I learned a long time ago NEVER to be the lowest bidder. What are you saying about yourself? For many years I will not even be part of a bidding process. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Endorsing SOS HRC
If we can't comment, why are you posting it here? If it's not AP related, why is it on the board? These and other questions... On Nov 17, 2008, at 12:22 PM, justifiedright wrote: Please don't comment here because it isn't AP related. Hope you enjoy nontheless. http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/11/17/tdeseno_1117/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If people don't come because of them then what good are they? Cheapskates ;) like you stayed away. We don't need cheapskates. We need people to spend money. You missed the crowds this summer Tom. All they wanted was for the meters to be easier to use, not go away or be cheaper. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
I probably have enough change in my change jar to pay for an entire summer of beach parking. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: If people don't come because of them then what good are they? Cheapskates ;) like you stayed away. We don't need cheapskates. We need people to spend money. You missed the crowds this summer Tom. All they wanted was for the meters to be easier to use, not go away or be cheaper. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Endorsing SOS HRC
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just so my friends (who I know don't read over there) will know it's there. you have friends? ;J) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Endorsing SOS HRC
Just so my friends (who I know don't read over there) will know it's there. That's all. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we can't comment, why are you posting it here? If it's not AP related, why is it on the board? These and other questions... On Nov 17, 2008, at 12:22 PM, justifiedright wrote: Please don't comment here because it isn't AP related. Hope you enjoy nontheless. http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/11/17/tdeseno_1117/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
If I'm replaced by 3 tourists then good for Asbury Park Boarkwalk vendors! I'm just willing to bet there would be 4 of us with free parking. Not one tourist is coming BECAUSE there is metered parking. Some (like me) will stay away because of it. Remember, when I don't pay 50 cents to park, I also don't buy $15 worth of beach passes. One of those tourst families is going to have to park for 30 hours that day to make up for me not buying beach tickets. Or all three of them for 10 hours each, where the City breaks even but the vendors lose my business. Here's the inquiry then: If the City and the vendors on the BW can make more money from the meters than from those of us who will stay away, then the Meters have passed the risk/utility test. If that's the case, then no one can complain. Me in particular. It's a smart move on the City's part if they make more money from it. Query though why the developer opposses it? I'll be at the free beaches... Keepin' it real! Sincerely, Clamdigger --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: If people don't come because of them then what good are they? Cheapskates ;) like you stayed away. We don't need cheapskates. We need people to spend money. You missed the crowds this summer Tom. All they wanted was for the meters to be easier to use, not go away or be cheaper. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Endorsing SOS HRC
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Just so my friends (who I know don't read over there) will know it's there. you have friends? ;J) None as loyal as me :-) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
You can justify it any way you want. Staying away from AP because of a tiny parking charge as a principle makes no sense at all. The only justification is that; A) you are cheap B) you are broke and those 50 cents is all that stands between you and starvation C) You're cheap, broke and we don't want you hear anyhow. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I'm replaced by 3 tourists then good for Asbury Park Boarkwalk vendors! I'm just willing to bet there would be 4 of us with free parking. Not one tourist is coming BECAUSE there is metered parking. Some (like me) will stay away because of it. Remember, when I don't pay 50 cents to park, I also don't buy $15 worth of beach passes. One of those tourst families is going to have to park for 30 hours that day to make up for me not buying beach tickets. Or all three of them for 10 hours each, where the City breaks even but the vendors lose my business. Here's the inquiry then: If the City and the vendors on the BW can make more money from the meters than from those of us who will stay away, then the Meters have passed the risk/utility test. If that's the case, then no one can complain. Me in particular. It's a smart move on the City's part if they make more money from it. Query though why the developer opposses it? I'll be at the free beaches... Keepin' it real! Sincerely, Clamdigger --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: If people don't come because of them then what good are they? Cheapskates ;) like you stayed away. We don't need cheapskates. We need people to spend money. You missed the crowds this summer Tom. All they wanted was for the meters to be easier to use, not go away or be cheaper. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
Well Jack as I made clear in my last post, I don't fault the City for the meters if they make more money from them than from those who will stay away because of them. Financailly I have no choice but to say it's a good move on their part, if that's the case. Not sure then why that would raise such vitriol as you posted below. I'm exercising my option to go elsewhere, not change what AP has decided is best for themselves. That's harmony. I will add a part (D) to your reasons below: The Tao of the Clamdigger. It's a spiritual thing. I'd explain it, but you wouldn't understand. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can justify it any way you want. Staying away from AP because of a tiny parking charge as a principle makes no sense at all. The only justification is that; A) you are cheap B) you are broke and those 50 cents is all that stands between you and starvation C) You're cheap, broke and we don't want you hear anyhow. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: If I'm replaced by 3 tourists then good for Asbury Park Boarkwalk vendors! I'm just willing to bet there would be 4 of us with free parking. Not one tourist is coming BECAUSE there is metered parking. Some (like me) will stay away because of it. Remember, when I don't pay 50 cents to park, I also don't buy $15 worth of beach passes. One of those tourst families is going to have to park for 30 hours that day to make up for me not buying beach tickets. Or all three of them for 10 hours each, where the City breaks even but the vendors lose my business. Here's the inquiry then: If the City and the vendors on the BW can make more money from the meters than from those of us who will stay away, then the Meters have passed the risk/utility test. If that's the case, then no one can complain. Me in particular. It's a smart move on the City's part if they make more money from it. Query though why the developer opposses it? I'll be at the free beaches... Keepin' it real! Sincerely, Clamdigger --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: If people don't come because of them then what good are they? Cheapskates ;) like you stayed away. We don't need cheapskates. We need people to spend money. You missed the crowds this summer Tom. All they wanted was for the meters to be easier to use, not go away or be cheaper. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's the case, then no one can complain. Me in particular. It's a smart move on the City's part if they make more money from it. Query though why the developer opposses it? And in the same vein, why not make it free access to the beaches, I am sure the developer would welcome that as well. In fact, maybe not only making parking and the beaches free, if we really wanted to increase visits and please MM, maybe the City should start PAYING people to go to the BW? First lesson I tried to impress on the city and Terry repeats it back to me. No (even the best) developer is your (City) friend. Good fences make good neighbors. Interpolate. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
How does the rest of the tourism world survive without beach fees? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: If that's the case, then no one can complain. Me in particular. It's a smart move on the City's part if they make more money from it. Query though why the developer opposses it? And in the same vein, why not make it free access to the beaches, I am sure the developer would welcome that as well. In fact, maybe not only making parking and the beaches free, if we really wanted to increase visits and please MM, maybe the City should start PAYING people to go to the BW? First lesson I tried to impress on the city and Terry repeats it back to me. No (even the best) developer is your (City) friend. Good fences make good neighbors. Interpolate. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Jack as I made clear in my last post, I don't fault the City for the meters if they make more money from them than from those who will stay away because of them. 1st 6 weeks of meters = $56K City revenue Free parking meters = $0 City revenue. That math seems pretty simple to me. Oh yeah, beach badge revenue increased. Okay, to have the full proof you would need to do a controlled experiment (impossible). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does the rest of the tourism world survive without beach fees? You're from Jersey, I am not. We have free beaches in NY. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
Pick one Saturday next year (one of the same Saturdays we had metered parking this year). Advertise for a couple of weeks around the state that that Saturday will be free parking. Then compare the revenue for daily beach badges. If you have about $1,000 more, the meteres aren't worth it. Not perfect, but a close enough experiment. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Well Jack as I made clear in my last post, I don't fault the City for the meters if they make more money from them than from those who will stay away because of them. 1st 6 weeks of meters = $56K City revenue Free parking meters = $0 City revenue. That math seems pretty simple to me. Oh yeah, beach badge revenue increased. Okay, to have the full proof you would need to do a controlled experiment (impossible). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: How does the rest of the tourism world survive without beach fees? You're from Jersey, I am not. We have free beaches in NY. Then we need to send our City Mgr. to a NY seminar on how they do that up there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then we need to send our City Mgr. to a NY seminar on how they do that up there. They charge a lot for parking. In NY we know that parking is NEVER free. There is ALWAYS a cost for parking. The city has costs to maintain the streets. Certainly that could be eaten if they could charge more tax to the BW pavilions because they are attracting so many people (to spend money) by free parking. But MM wants to have its cake and eat it too. AP had free parking for years. Few came. We charge for parking and droves show up (except for a few cheapskate lawyers). Go figure. Charge for parking. Less parking becomes available. You have to move here so you can walk to beach instead. We allowed magic to happen to multiply the number of liquor licenses in AP so they could make money. Let us have the parking or pay us to keep it free. And sign a redeveloper's agreement. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Endorsing SOS HRC
We know it's there. On Nov 17, 2008, at 3:31 PM, dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just so my friends (who I know don't read over there) will know it's there. you have friends? ;J) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
In North Carolina, they do it by not having Lifeguards or boardwalks in most places. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does the rest of the tourism world survive without beach fees? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: If that's the case, then no one can complain. Me in particular. It's a smart move on the City's part if they make more money from it. Query though why the developer opposses it? And in the same vein, why not make it free access to the beaches, I am sure the developer would welcome that as well. In fact, maybe not only making parking and the beaches free, if we really wanted to increase visits and please MM, maybe the City should start PAYING people to go to the BW? First lesson I tried to impress on the city and Terry repeats it back to me. No (even the best) developer is your (City) friend. Good fences make good neighbors. Interpolate. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've paid parking tickets in plenty of states and in AP. Hollywood Florida in their redevelopment area, Miami, NYC more then once...wildwood, cape may... downtown tix are $54 cause I couldn't figure out to read a sign as the officers watched me park and go in to Market in Middle I prefer to pay at the meter or lot. You know buy a ticket on an airplane, then pay for the seat... How about premium parking spacess? 1) LEt the city auction off 5 front row spots in front of every pavillon and 5 on every block. You get a nice big RESERVED spot. 2) Or... FREE PARKING COURTESY OF (then sell the rights to the free parking...) 3) just leave it alone. Light the meters, have special officers roaming around and cla4er signage for $1.00 hour meters... 4) use MM lots outside Wesley Grove for temporary stables for the city's horses and sell feed to tourists and let them get their picture taken with the horses... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Endorsing SOS HRC
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried the link, but my Internet Security Pro set off all sorts of bells and whistles. Something about a web threat -- a website masquerading as legitimate. Threat successfully quarantined. ;-) ;-) You need to wear a condom to read conservative blogs. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gets stay on Asbury COs
--- and tommy you can't expect henry V to plow the snow (it does happen along the ocean) or springsteen or the state to step in forever or is that the overall plan? Sooner or later you have to have a plan to survive on your own. I keep telling my daughter that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Endorsing SOS HRC
Don't worry, Shawn Hannity is working on it. He thinks William Ayers hacked the website and put in a terroristic virus... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: I tried the link, but my Internet Security Pro set off all sorts of bells and whistles. Something about a web threat -- a website masquerading as legitimate. Threat successfully quarantined. ;-) ;-) You need to wear a condom to read conservative blogs. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Endorsing SOS HRC
You posted the same thing about the JR site a few years back. Maybe being at the new place was destiny. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried the link, but my Internet Security Pro set off all sorts of bells and whistles. Something about a web threat -- a website masquerading as legitimate. Threat successfully quarantined. ;-) ;-) In a message dated 11/17/2008 3:31:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Just so my friends (who I know don't read over there) will know it's there. you have friends? ;J) **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news more! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol? redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html? ncid=emlcntusdown0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Endorsing SOS HRC
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need to wear a condom to read conservative blogs. I'll inform Geraldine Ferraro, Lanny Davis, Juan Williams and Bob Beckel they are now conservative bloggers ;-) I'll bet none of them would charge me money to park near their beach. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Endorsing SOS HRC
And a HazMat suit. On Nov 17, 2008, at 4:49 PM, dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried the link, but my Internet Security Pro set off all sorts of bells and whistles. Something about a web threat -- a website masquerading as legitimate. Threat successfully quarantined. ;-) ;-) You need to wear a condom to read conservative blogs. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] City's BW revenue
What revenue is the city receiving from the BW now other than parking and beach badge fees? Taxes from the pavilions? If yes, any idea how much? What about the finished condos? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: City's BW revenue
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the finished condos? you mean sold condos where a CO was issued finished and not sold = 0 to the city and 0 to the local businesses hoping that people would be in them - at least in the summer. You can have all the condos you want, but if they are summer only...then you have to figure out your winter and how to draw from outside the area. What's more valuable - 63 full-time rentals at the steinbach or 30 or 40 with only 10 or 15 year round? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: City's BW revenue
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What revenue is the city receiving from the BW now other than parking and beach badge fees? Taxes from the pavilions? If yes, any idea how much? What about the finished condos? = To get the thinking started. From the Boardwalk - Vendor fees From the Commercial Tenants - Mercantile License fees From the Beach - Badge fees From the Streets - Parking Fees (NOT) From the Buildings - Property tax $? and Sewer Fees $? From the Bars - License fees ?? We need to know how much, what the trend has been for the past several years, what the basis or valuations are for the buildings, etc... Are the collections actually being done? Are mandatory payments (taxes) up to date?... etc... Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT
I didn't understand a word, you said! I just realized, that I don't understand street talk or I'm just naive! Come again? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: sorta sounds like something a scamming drug addict would say. just when i was 6 months clean, smack drops in price Your statement would suggest exactly the opposite of what the article suggests. So what, AP is a scamming drug addict? Nice metaphor - not. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT
Werner, not so long ago, I remember a post where there was a link to MM's website showing a fantasy architectural drawing, of what was to come including a fantasy ferris wheel, as though the Palace had morphed onto the boardwalk. What happened to that? Anyone? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: sorta sounds like something a scamming drug addict would say. just when i was 6 months clean, smack drops in price do you think any of ap's failures have anything to do with the people that have been making decisions and not making decisions here for the past chunk of decades? don't get me wrong, i don't mind the failures. I am not one of those people who moved here because i thought its gonna be great in a couple of years or because i invested in the place, i was happy to take it as is. but lets be real about its issues. maybe not so easy to do if you have tentacles reaching into the halls of mediocre power, or if you are afraid of being wernerized. = It has certainly been poor leadership and decision making. An unwillingness to consider the 'state of the art' in redevelopment and economic sustainability. Failure to protect public assets and the public's interests. I predicted many of the current problems as far back as 2000. I think part of being wernerized' is that they can not stand that my critiques, commentary and recommendations have been correct. They will never admit to any errors and would rather 'kill the messenger'. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, not so long ago, I remember a post where there was a link to MM's website showing a fantasy architectural drawing, of what was to come including a fantasy ferris wheel, as though the Palace had morphed onto the boardwalk. What happened to that? Anyone? == This one: ? http://tinyurl.com/6n2mnv Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ wrote: Werner, not so long ago, I remember a post where there was a link to MM's website showing a fantasy architectural drawing, of what was to come including a fantasy ferris wheel, as though the Palace had morphed onto the boardwalk. try this one: http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/palace/palace.htm Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT
i never should have typed it. i was responding to tommy's wifes joke, which i didn't read as a joke. i didn't get it, still don't. but it sounded to me like the whole world is against asbury park and that is the reason for its struggle. not asbury park. the world, the riots, the economy. now the fault is MM. not ap decision makers. so, if asbury were a person (apparently a pretty dysfunctional one) the reason for its dysfunction is the global economy, MM etc, not AP itself. which sounds to me like something an addict would say. it just sounded like someone placing the responsibility for ap's insane drama on everything else but itself. something republicans criticize individuals for all the time. sorry if it offended anyone. Asbury seems insanely dysfunctional to me right now. That last APP article that Jack posted tipped me over the edge. WTF is up with this place? Is there anyone competent in charge? I just wish I could understand it. I feel like I have a responsibility to try to, but it just doesn't seem worth it sometimes. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't understand a word, you said! I just realized, that I don't understand street talk or I'm just naive! Come again? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: sorta sounds like something a scamming drug addict would say. just when i was 6 months clean, smack drops in price Your statement would suggest exactly the opposite of what the article suggests. So what, AP is a scamming drug addict? Nice metaphor - not. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
