EIGRP Summary address funny [7:33837]

2002-01-31 Thread Andrew Larkins

Hi all, 

I tried this yesterday and got some funny results.
 A client of ours uses another private company to do long haul connections
to overseas sites. They (the private company) are redistributing their OSPF
routes into my EIGRP process. They have recently had some instability on
some of their numerous routes, so I tried using summary addressing on the
router that connects to my clients network. The summary was correct and
actually showed correctly in the routing table on the upstream router. 

Problem:

Even though the summarised route is in the table, the 100's of host routes
are also there, all pointing to the same place. Now the users in the UK
could not connect. I removed the summary addresses and all ok again - just
the summarised route gone from the routing tables. This particular router is
using ver 11.1 ( really old!!)

Now this summarisation works on all the other routers correctly. Any idea's

Andrew Larkins
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RE: Please confirm (conf#ae1fd8f45b2bed8613ddb184751dc1a9) [7:33838]

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Hi all, 

I tried this yesterday and got some funny results.
 A client of ours uses another private company to do long haul connections
to overseas sites. They (the private company) are redistributing their OSPF
routes into my EIGRP process. They have recently had some instability on
some of their numerous routes, so I tried using summary addressing on the
router that connects to my clients network. The summary was correct and
actually showed correctly in the routing table on the upstream router. 

Problem:

Even though the summarised route is in the table, the 100's of host routes
are also there, all pointing to the same place. Now the users in the UK
could not connect. I removed the summary addresses and all ok again - just
the summarised route gone from the routing tables. This particular router is
using ver 11.1 ( really old!!)

Now this summarisation works on all the other routers correctly. Any idea's

Andrew Larkins
BCom, CCNP, CCDA
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IPX host static name possible? [7:33839]

2002-01-31 Thread Paulo Baptista

> Hi all!
> 
> Could anyone please, clarify me if there is any chance of mapping a Host
> name to an IPX address.
> Like we do for IP addresses 
> This is for Cisco routers 2621 and 3640.
> 
> Thanks for any reply,
> 
> Paulo




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Bug in IOS for 3660 ver 12.2.6a IP plus [7:33840]

2002-01-31 Thread Andrew Larkins

Hi all, 

Just to let you know, if you did not already, that there is a bug in the IOS
with regards to upgraded the code.
With this code, when you enter "copy tftp flash", it does not prompt you if
you want to erase the flash before the copy. 

Work around:
Boot the router as normal, then erase the flash and then do the tftp copy

HTH

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ISDN simulator [7:33841]

2002-01-31 Thread Ronald James

just wondering anybody knows which isdn simulator is best for home lab in
terms of functionalities and pricing? hope this is not violating nda,
but very interest to see whether real ccie lab use isdn simulator or isdn
lines??  if it's a simulator, which brand?




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Cisco IDS [7:33842]

2002-01-31 Thread news.groupstudy.com

Dear All,
I want to employ an IDS solution in our network, I'm looking to purchase
Cisco IDS, please advise me about this product like performance, efficiency,
managment, easy of deploy  and what other solution rather than cisco is
better if any ?
Regards,




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Re: Please confirm (conf#f86dd838d0d29bec9453ce397510a440) [7:33843]

2002-01-31 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

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>>Regarding this command...
>>"Default-information originate [always]"
>>this is documented as saying...
>>this generates the default route into OSPF even if the path to the default
>>route goes down...
>>and...
>>even when the router has no default route, with the magic keyword "always"
it
>>will create a "default route"...pointing to where??
>>Q: What's the point of advertising a route if it is indeed DOWN? Isn't this
>>like saying i know that Exit5 is closed but I'm gona keep directing all
>>motorists to go to Exit 5 anyway?
>>
>>Please clarify this for me.
>>
>>Elmer
>
>Imagine you have a fairly large OSPF area. If the default route goes
>down, all the topological databases have to be updated and
>propagated.  While if JUST the default route were involved, the
>Dijkstra computation will not have to be run, there still will be
>bandwidth and processor utilization.
>
>If there is only one router generating default, and it goes down, the
>traffic is going to fail anyway. To take your traffic analogy,
>default-information always is indeed like directing the traffic
>LEAVING THE AREA to Exit 5, but not otherwise disturbing those cars
>that don't care about Exit 5.
>
>If there's more than one default router, you definitely don't want
>the always keyword.
>
>Now--as far as where it points: "it depends".  All it points to is
>the router generating default. That router may or may not have a
>default route of its own -- it might be a default-free BGP router as
>well as an ASBR. It could have a default route of its own that points
>somewhere outside the AS or area.
>
>AFAIK, if the router was default-free, you couldn't use
>default-information originate without always, because the router
>would never have a local default to meet the ALWAYS condition.   In
>that case, you'd have to have BGP or a static route specify it, and
>redistribute that route into OSPF.




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Re: Passing CID [7:33784]

2002-01-31 Thread David L. Blair

How would you compare the CSS1 tests to the CCNP tests?  I am thinking about
going after my CSS1 after I pass the Checkpoint CCSA and CCSE tests.

-dlb

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>
> Questions like "which answer doesnt not belong " means what??? Is Cisco
> implying that the double negative means positive as we were taught years
ago
> in algebra class or it should be ignored and taken for one negative.
>
> Am currently taking my CSS1 track, I wrote Cisco Secure VPN yesterday
which
> happens to be the third exam in the series. I came accross a lot questions
> which made no sense at all. Looking at the question, it was not a question
> at all. it was not asking any particular thing, it had no meaning, no
> bearing, no sense in it, they are just like saying
blablablablablablablabla.
> The more I read them the more I get confused and lost at what Cisco was
> tring to ask. Have you come accross questions that made you think 'What
must
> be in the mind of the examiner when he was asking this question, which
> aspect of Network or Security implementation was he thinking of? What I
> normally do is to completely ignore the questions and eliminate the odd
> options in the answer, at the end of the day in many questions like these,
I
> come out with NOT THE BEST ANSWER as they use to tell one, but rather a
> choice that made a different SENSE and MEANING than the other three or
four.
>
> I sometimes ask whether the current Cisco questions were not originally
> written in English but were translated from another language and as such
the
> transators did not do a good job or is it a deliberate action on the part
of
> Cisco? If it were the former it is long time they take a closer look at it
> and if it is the later, what must have informed their actions?
>
> Regards.
> Godswill Oletu CCNP, CCDP.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Priscilla Oppenheimer
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Passing CID [7:33784]
>
>
> > At 07:19 PM 1/30/02, brian hall wrote:
> > >Passing this test #640-025 was the hardest yet. It took a couple of
> times.
> > >Now its on to CCIE and then the lab were the truth comes out.
> > >Some tell me that passing this brings you close to being prepared to
take
> > >the CCIE written. I'll find out soon enough.
> > >
> > >To any one who cares using boson CCDP #1 & #3 helped .
> > >
> > >I started using the latest version of the CID exam prep from cisco
press
> but
> >
> > Exam prep guides are written with the goal of summarizing what you need
to
> > know. They are not the course materials, but go beyond in some ways, and
> > may also skip some basic stuff. They can be great for review, but don't
> > work for everyone as the primary source.
> >
> > >found the earlier version of the book written by birkner a better
source.
> >
> > This wasn't an earlier version of the same book. It's a different book.
> > This was the course materials ported to book format. The author should
be
> > Cisco (course developers) although in this case Birkner didn't exactly
> > follow the script and added his own material and left some out.
> >
> > In general, Cisco Press develops at least two types of books:
> >
> > Certification guides: not written by Cisco, but still often very helpful
> > Course book: training written by Cisco, ported to book format by an
editor
> > paid by Cisco Press, usually an excellent resource as the tests are
taken
> > from the course.
> >
> > A question came up about the different types of Cisco Press books in a
> > different thread, so I responded here. (My other response never made
it?)
> >
> > Anyway, congratulations on passing CID! It's a hard test. Good luck with
> > CCIE.
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> >
> > >The answers are very close to each other and need to be read carefully,
> they
> > >can be tricky. Watch out for the " which answer doesnt not belong "
> > >questions those can be the most difficult.
> > >
> > >Good luck,
> > 
> >
> > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > http://www.priscilla.com
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Re: IPX host static name possible? [7:33839]

2002-01-31 Thread Steven A. Ridder

NO!  STOP ASKING!  Seriously, if you didn't get an answer the first time,
then that's it.  Asking the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th time will not make the IOS
change commands.

Call Cisco and request the feature.  Or use IP.
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> > Hi all!
> >
> > Could anyone please, clarify me if there is any chance of mapping a Host
> > name to an IPX address.
> > Like we do for IP addresses
> > This is for Cisco routers 2621 and 3640.
> >
> > Thanks for any reply,
> >
> > Paulo




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RE: Help with frame-relay pvc status [7:33793]

2002-01-31 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

It can occur if your provider has told you to configure your Frame Relay
DLCI as for example 16, but have configured it as DLCI 20 themselves. Verify
that you have the correct DLCI in your config.

Hth,

Ole

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Hi everybody,
   Can anyboody tell me what frame-relay status "deleted"
 means on a pvc and how to change it "active"?

 Thanks a lot,
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RE: Passing CID [7:33784]

2002-01-31 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

The "Which answer doesn't not belong?" is that a very trick question that
should actually be read "Which answer does belong?", or did you do a typo?

If that's the case, you could spend long time understanding questions like
"What do you not think would be false to give as an incorrect answer?"

Ole

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Subject: Passing CID [7:33784]


Passing this test #640-025 was the hardest yet. It took a couple of times.
Now its on to CCIE and then the lab were the truth comes out.
Some tell me that passing this brings you close to being prepared to take
the CCIE written. I'll find out soon enough.

To any one who cares using boson CCDP #1 & #3 helped .

I started using the latest version of the CID exam prep from cisco press but
found the earlier version of the book written by birkner a better source.

The answers are very close to each other and need to be read carefully, they
can be tricky. Watch out for the " which answer doesnt not belong "
questions those can be the most difficult.

Good luck,




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RE: Cisco AVVID vs. 3Com [7:33705]

2002-01-31 Thread Hire, Ejay

I've installed a dozen NBX systems, and worked as the Guru at a 3com
reseller.

The original NBX is by default a Voice-over-Ethernet device, under the
original version it broadcasted for Music on hold, paging, and device
discovery.  Under 2.0+ it uses a Multicast MAC address.  You can acquire
from 3com (For about 1500 iirc) a license to make it do Voice-over-IP.  The
License key is a hash of the Backplane chassis number, so you can't use the
same code over and over.  The originals were 10BaseT only, but the 100BaseT
phones should be out by now.  According to 3com, the original plan was to
integrate al of the functions of the NBX into a card for the Corebuilder
7000, but I think that plan has been scrapped.

http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/detail.jsp?tab=features&pathtype=purchase
&sku=WEBBNGNBX100COMSYS is 3com's site, but you'll have to paste it back
together to make it work.
www.nbx100.com is the site for one of the larger resellers.



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Subject: RE: Cisco AVVID vs. 3Com [7:33705]


a couple of weeks back, someone posted a question about inexpensive PBXs and
PBAXs and where to get them.

when I mentioned the NBX option, someone else commented that the NBX is by
default Voice over Ethernet, but that you could purchase a VoIP license to
activate VoIP software running on it.  I don't know how much of this is
accurate, or what the real details on it are... but I've been told that if I
wanted to take a NBX phone set home, and provision the office network
correctly, that I could get it to log in across the Internet directly into
the NBX... and recieve calls as if it were at the office.

Anybody got any validity they can add to this??

Mark

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Bill Pearch
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One thing that Cisco reps mention when the NBX comes up is that 3Com's
solution is voice over ethernet, rather than a VOIP solution.  Then they
admit that Cisco doesn't play well in the small implementation market (less
than 50 phones) unless there are some unusual requirements that are tailored
for VOIP.
TTFN,
Bill

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My company is a Cisco Voice partner and a 3Com Voice Partner.  The office I
work out of uses the 3Com NBX for about 20 phones.  It works, no real
complaints.  Some of the earlier versions of code were pretty bad.
Downsides, NBX has 1 hard drive, if it goes we are down. No way to backup.
3Com may be providing a new solution, I'm not sure???

Here is our position when selling to a customers.  If they are a small
office (0-30 phones), with no need for VoIP connecting different offices,
3Com is probably the best choice.  Cost is a lot less than Cisco solution
for same customer and customer wants basic features (voice-mail,
auto-attendant, call-park, call-transfer, speaker phone).

For customers with larger offices (40+ phones), the potential for VoIP with
branch offices we go Cisco.  We end up selling Cisco to 95% of our
customers.  In-line powered phones is a big advantage.  Power outlets at the
desk are usually filled, it's nice to avoid power strips at every desk.

I see 3Com has a price advantage and Cisco has a Technology advantage.
Support from Cisco is excellent.  Lots of time the problem people have with
the Cisco solution is the complexity.  Cisco VoIP can work in many different
environments, 3Com is more positioned for the standard/simple small office.
Don't forget data integration with IP phone system.  XML applications to the
phone are a very good thing.  Some applications on the phones our customers
like are phone directories, time-clock sign-in/sign-out (for hourly staff).

You have to look at the survivability of the company.  3Com has problems
turning a profit.  Networkers hate 3Com NICs, 3Com has exited the core
switching market.  They now sell NICs (most professionals hate them), modems
(commodity), low end switches (commodity), home broadband routers (Cable/DSL
commodity), and a low end phone system.  How long will this model work
Will they dump the NBX in the next 12 months???

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Does anyone have any working experience or good opinions on Cisco's IP
Telephony solution compared to 3Com?  I'm trying to make a buying decision
and right now am very up in the air.  3Com has a nice and more cost
effective solution that even would allow me to (coming soon) be able to use
my existing legacy Lucent/Nortel phones with t

RE: NAT [7:33769]

2002-01-31 Thread John McCartney

Phil, Thanks for your help.


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Re: ATM issue [7:33802]

2002-01-31 Thread MADMAN

You need to enable OAM.  Simply under the PVC add on both end "oam
enable"

  Dave

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
> 
> How can I detect an ATM link went down?
> 
> Due to business reason, we are in a process to replace old Frame Relay
> connections with ATM connections. But when Carrier's ATM network had
problem
> and one of the ATM link went down, the router interface attached to it
still
> shows up up. For that reason the ISDN backup interface on the same router
> wouldn't automatically dial the remote end, and we couldn't meet 7x24
> requirement.
> 
> There was no such problem before switching to ATM. It works perfectly with
> FR connections and ISDN DDR Backup. If there was a problem in one of the FR
> links, the interface attached to it will go down and the ISDN interface
will
> automatically dial the remote end.
> 
> Is there any way to get around this problem?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Tony
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Re: Passing CID [7:33784]

2002-01-31 Thread Godswill HO

Hi David,

The CSS1 track looks easier to me than the CCNP track. Among others, the
major reason reason is that, they are a lot of overlapping areas in all four
exams, If you write MCNS, start preparing for the PIX exam, you will
discover that, you are familar with almost 75% of the material, same for the
VPN exam, all you just have to do is to note the specific applications
within the current context. Very unlike the CCNP each four exams deals with
a complete different world of knowledge. For you to see clearly what am
saying: I wrote all four of my CCNP exams within six(6) weeks, but I have
written three of the CSS1 exams in just one(1) week ! (MCNS=22/1/1,
PIX=25/1/1 and VPN=29/1/1), left with IDS. However you need to know your
stuff, but it is not really a terrior of an exam.

Please tell me more about the Checkpoint exam, my next target is either
checkpoint or CISSP, though am more likely to give CISSP a look first,
however Checkpoint will follow vey soon.

Regards.
Oletu.

- Original Message -
From: David L. Blair 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: Passing CID [7:33784]


> How would you compare the CSS1 tests to the CCNP tests?  I am thinking
about
> going after my CSS1 after I pass the Checkpoint CCSA and CCSE tests.
>
> -dlb
>
> ""Godswill HO""  wrote in message
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> > Hi Priscilla,
> >
> > Questions like "which answer doesnt not belong " means what??? Is Cisco
> > implying that the double negative means positive as we were taught years
> ago
> > in algebra class or it should be ignored and taken for one negative.
> >
> > Am currently taking my CSS1 track, I wrote Cisco Secure VPN yesterday
> which
> > happens to be the third exam in the series. I came accross a lot
questions
> > which made no sense at all. Looking at the question, it was not a
question
> > at all. it was not asking any particular thing, it had no meaning, no
> > bearing, no sense in it, they are just like saying
> blablablablablablablabla.
> > The more I read them the more I get confused and lost at what Cisco was
> > tring to ask. Have you come accross questions that made you think 'What
> must
> > be in the mind of the examiner when he was asking this question, which
> > aspect of Network or Security implementation was he thinking of? What I
> > normally do is to completely ignore the questions and eliminate the odd
> > options in the answer, at the end of the day in many questions like
these,
> I
> > come out with NOT THE BEST ANSWER as they use to tell one, but rather a
> > choice that made a different SENSE and MEANING than the other three or
> four.
> >
> > I sometimes ask whether the current Cisco questions were not originally
> > written in English but were translated from another language and as such
> the
> > transators did not do a good job or is it a deliberate action on the
part
> of
> > Cisco? If it were the former it is long time they take a closer look at
it
> > and if it is the later, what must have informed their actions?
> >
> > Regards.
> > Godswill Oletu CCNP, CCDP.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: Passing CID [7:33784]
> >
> >
> > > At 07:19 PM 1/30/02, brian hall wrote:
> > > >Passing this test #640-025 was the hardest yet. It took a couple of
> > times.
> > > >Now its on to CCIE and then the lab were the truth comes out.
> > > >Some tell me that passing this brings you close to being prepared to
> take
> > > >the CCIE written. I'll find out soon enough.
> > > >
> > > >To any one who cares using boson CCDP #1 & #3 helped .
> > > >
> > > >I started using the latest version of the CID exam prep from cisco
> press
> > but
> > >
> > > Exam prep guides are written with the goal of summarizing what you
need
> to
> > > know. They are not the course materials, but go beyond in some ways,
and
> > > may also skip some basic stuff. They can be great for review, but
don't
> > > work for everyone as the primary source.
> > >
> > > >found the earlier version of the book written by birkner a better
> source.
> > >
> > > This wasn't an earlier version of the same book. It's a different
book.
> > > This was the course materials ported to book format. The author should
> be
> > > Cisco (course developers) although in this case Birkner didn't exactly
> > > follow the script and added his own material and left some out.
> > >
> > > In general, Cisco Press develops at least two types of books:
> > >
> > > Certification guides: not written by Cisco, but still often very
helpful
> > > Course book: training written by Cisco, ported to book format by an
> editor
> > > paid by Cisco Press, usually an excellent resource as the tests are
> taken
> > > from the course.
> > >
> > > A question came up about the different types of Cisco Press books in a
> > > different thread, so I responded here. (My other response never made
> it?)
> > >
> > > Anyway, con

Re: Help with frame-relay pvc status [7:33792]

2002-01-31 Thread MADMAN

Or your provider screwed up the switch config deactivating your DLCI.

 Dave

s vermill wrote:
> 
> Deleted usually means that it is referenced in your config somewhere but
> there is nothing coming from the switch in LMI to indicate that it is
> active/even exists.
> 
> Stephane Wantou Siantou wrote:
> >
> > Hi everybody,
> >   Can anyboody tell me what frame-relay status "deleted"
> > means on a pvc and how to change it "active"?
> >
> > Thanks a lot,
> > Stephane
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Multicast over Frame Relay [7:33852]

2002-01-31 Thread Mahesh Manjanatha

I am trying to do multicast over frame-relay with hub and star topology.
>

   R2 (Spoke1)-R1(Hub)---R3(Spoke2)

>

I am using PIM sparse mode , with  IP PIM NBMA-MODE command. I made Hub
as RP. I tried by using IP PIM RP-ADD and auto-rp option.  I can see RP
mapping on both spokes. I made R3 member of a multicast group and tried
to ping it from R1 and R2. I am able to ping it from R1 (HUB), but not
from R2 (Spoke1). I tried making R3 as RP , but even then I am not able
to ping from Sopke1.

> >

Have any body tried it. Is there any trick to it ??

> >

Thanks

> >

M

> >

 

> >

 

> >

   



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Re: ATM issue [7:33802]

2002-01-31 Thread MADMAN

ILMI is used in the SVC world for setting up and addressing.  See OAM.

 Dave

Circusnuts_1999 wrote:
> 
> Is your carrier not allowing ILMI ???
> 
> Phil
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 9:22 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: ATM issue [7:33802]
> 
> How can I detect an ATM link went down?
> 
> Due to business reason, we are in a process to replace old Frame Relay
> connections with ATM connections. But when Carrier's ATM network had
> problem
> and one of the ATM link went down, the router interface attached to it
> still
> shows up up. For that reason the ISDN backup interface on the same
> router
> wouldn't automatically dial the remote end, and we couldn't meet 7x24
> requirement.
> 
> There was no such problem before switching to ATM. It works perfectly
> with
> FR connections and ISDN DDR Backup. If there was a problem in one of the
> FR
> links, the interface attached to it will go down and the ISDN interface
> will
> automatically dial the remote end.
> 
> Is there any way to get around this problem?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Tony
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Re: Variance for Eigrp...does it actually work?? [7:33835]

2002-01-31 Thread John Neiberger

I don't really have an answer, this is more of a "me too" email.  I've
only bothered with variance once in a practice lab and I was not able to
make it work even after setting the variance to a ridiculously high
number.  No matter what I did, I was not able to get both EIGRP routes
into the routing table.

At some point I need to go back and figure out why it wasn't working
but I've been avoiding it.  

John

>>> "Cisco Nuts"  1/31/02 12:05:03 AM >>>
Hello,I am testing out the variance command under eigrp and it does
not
seem to be working the way it is explained in the CCNP routing guide
by
CiscoPress. Any ideas ? Sorry, Long post but need help.I have RTA
connected to RTB and RTC via FR physical intf. running eigrp 1RTB and
RTC
are connected to BBR via serials also running eigrp 1BBR is connected
to
TS via serial running eigrp 1 and igrp 1TS is connected to REMOTE
running
rip.RTA to RTB to BBR have bandwidth = 64 configed.RTA to RTC to BBR
have
the default bw = 1.544On RTA, the route to Rip netw. 12. and 13. on
Remote show up via the RTC to BBR to TS to Remote routewhich is
correct.D EX 12.0.0.0/8 [170/3245056] via 192.168.10.243, 00:12:37,
Serial0
D EX 13.0.0.0/8 [170/3245056] via 192.168.10.243, 00:13:42, Serial0
The
metric via RTB to BBR to TS to Remote is 41538560 as inD EX 12.0.0.0/8
[170/41538560] via 192.168.10.242, 00:00:17, Serial0
D EX 13.0.0.0/8 [170/41538560] via 192.168.10.242, 00:00:17, Serial0
After
doing the math,( multiplied 3245056 x 13 to get 42185728 which is
greater
than 41538560), I configed a variance of 13 on RTA and expected to see
2
routes to networks 12. and 13. but only 1 route shows up, that thru
RTC.Is
there a reason why?Thank you. : 



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Re: OSPF Startup questions [7:33711]

2002-01-31 Thread Philip Palanchi

Another resource for this would be RFC2178.

""Cebuano""  wrote in message
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> Thanks all for the different insights. Being in a teaching environment,
> these are just what i need to be able to explain the behavior/process in
> easier-to-digest terms.
>
> Elmer
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:33 PM
> Subject: Re: OSPF Startup questions [7:33711]
>
>
> > At 12:41 PM 1/30/02, Cebuano wrote:
> > >i would think that regardless if there's a new
> > >router with a higher RID that comes on line, the DR/BDR
> > >should be the default MASTER to initiate the exchange
> > >since he's got all the topology/links info in the area, except
> > >of course for scenarios where there is no DR/BDR.
> >
> > Both neighbors have information to send. The master/slave business is
just
> > a temporary relationship to allow the neighbors to exchange their
> > information in a reliable fashion. There's no real reason for one router
> > instead of the other to become the master. Remember that protocol design
> is
> > modular. You should keep the database synchronization process separate
> from
> > the DR/BDR election.
> >
> > The synchronization process is the first step in the adjacency-building
> > process. Each router describes its database by sending a sequence of
> > database description packets to its neighbor.
> >
> > Each database description packet has a sequence number. Database
> > description packets sent by the master (polls) are acknowledged by the
> > slave through echoing of the sequence number. Both polls and their
> > responses contain summaries of link-state data. The master is the only
one
> > allowed to retransmit database description packets.
> >
> > The OSPF protocol developers could have chosen some other method to
ensure
> > reliability, such as opening a TCP session or inventing a client/server
> > protocol with the DR acting as the server on networks that have a DR.
> > Instead they invented a master/slave protocol. It's just how they
decided
> > to implement it. If you think about it, you can see that their method
has
> > some advantages. If you were in a computer science protocol development
> > class, you could write an essay on why their method is best. As a CCIE
> > candidate, however, I'm tempted to say, "why ask why?" ;-)
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> >
> > >Elmer
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: "Rogell, Dennis"
> > >To: "'Cebuano'"
> > >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 12:19 PM
> > >Subject: RE: OSPF Startup questions [7:33711]
> > >
> > >
> > > > You can make the Dr the higher rid , and the answer to 3 is it looks
> at
> > > > sequence numbers not timestamps.If the information it receives is
the
> > same
> > > > but the sequence number is greater that will be entered into ls
> database.
> > > >
> > > > hth
> > > >
> > > > Dennis Rogell CNE, CCNP
> > > > nextiraone
> > > > Formally Milgo Solutions
> > > > Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Cebuano [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 08:38
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: OSPF Startup questions [7:33711]
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, group.
> > > > > I have a few questions to iron out regarding OSPF startup.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. EXSTART - master/slave is created between each router and its
> > >adjacent
> > > > > DR/BDR.
> > > > > Q: But this "election" on who the master will be is mute
because
> > the
> > > > > router with the higher RID (thus) the DR/BDR acts as the master,
> right?
> > >If
> > > > > not, shouldn't the DR act as the master anyway since he ( or she)
is
> > the
> > > > > central distribution point for the area's topology?
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. LOADING - slave router sends an LS request if the master's DBD
> has a
> > > > > more
> > > > > up-to-date link-state entry.
> > > > > Q: "up-to-date" meaning timestamps?? But...what if there's no
> NTP
> > > > > server
> > > > > to synchronize them?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > Elmer
> > 
> >
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Re: ATM issue [7:33802]

2002-01-31 Thread Chuck Larrieu

I'm asking because I don't know the real world answer, and don't have a lot
of real world experience with ATM.

My reading is that OAM will shut down interfaces when the end to end ATM PVC
fails. Can you explain this in a bit more detail. Is this something you
really want to happen in real world? Wouldn't this complicate things when
the link comes back up?

Chuck



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> enable"
>
>   Dave
>
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
> >
> > How can I detect an ATM link went down?
> >
> > Due to business reason, we are in a process to replace old Frame Relay
> > connections with ATM connections. But when Carrier's ATM network had
> problem
> > and one of the ATM link went down, the router interface attached to it
> still
> > shows up up. For that reason the ISDN backup interface on the same
router
> > wouldn't automatically dial the remote end, and we couldn't meet 7x24
> > requirement.
> >
> > There was no such problem before switching to ATM. It works perfectly
with
> > FR connections and ISDN DDR Backup. If there was a problem in one of the
FR
> > links, the interface attached to it will go down and the ISDN interface
> will
> > automatically dial the remote end.
> >
> > Is there any way to get around this problem?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Tony
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Re: EIGRP Summary address funny [7:33837]

2002-01-31 Thread Chuck Larrieu

On IOS versions of that age, EIGRP summarization does not work properly.

A while back I researched this and found the Cisco bug report. I don't have
the information off hand, but it can be found on CCO.

You should upgrade to a more recent IOS if possible..

Chuck


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> I tried this yesterday and got some funny results.
>  A client of ours uses another private company to do long haul connections
> to overseas sites. They (the private company) are redistributing their
OSPF
> routes into my EIGRP process. They have recently had some instability on
> some of their numerous routes, so I tried using summary addressing on the
> router that connects to my clients network. The summary was correct and
> actually showed correctly in the routing table on the upstream router.
>
> Problem:
>
> Even though the summarised route is in the table, the 100's of host routes
> are also there, all pointing to the same place. Now the users in the UK
> could not connect. I removed the summary addresses and all ok again - just
> the summarised route gone from the routing tables. This particular router
is
> using ver 11.1 ( really old!!)
>
> Now this summarisation works on all the other routers correctly. Any
idea's
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Re: ATM issue [7:33802]

2002-01-31 Thread Marc Russell

Use dialer watch and have the backup kick in when the route disappears.

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> How can I detect an ATM link went down?
>
> Due to business reason, we are in a process to replace old Frame Relay
> connections with ATM connections. But when Carrier's ATM network had
problem
> and one of the ATM link went down, the router interface attached to it
still
> shows up up. For that reason the ISDN backup interface on the same router
> wouldn't automatically dial the remote end, and we couldn't meet 7x24
> requirement.
>
> There was no such problem before switching to ATM. It works perfectly with
> FR connections and ISDN DDR Backup. If there was a problem in one of the
FR
> links, the interface attached to it will go down and the ISDN interface
will
> automatically dial the remote end.
>
> Is there any way to get around this problem?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Tony
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Man on the moon [7:33860]

2002-01-31 Thread Patrick Ramsey

I'm sick for 2 days and miss an entire conversation!


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Re: Limit access to serial link to four users [7:33306]

2002-01-31 Thread Robert Padjen

Interesting problem.

I think that I would look at QoS options or an
application layer solution. Perhaps CAR configured for
a maximum rate that would force the application to not
have sufficient B/W on the path?


--- Darrell Newcomb 
wrote:
> I try not to use the below logic on my networks, but
> have also never had
> it fail to deliver service when there was no other
> choice.
> 
> The common streaming of windows media and real have
> such large client
> side buffers that you'll find you can seemingly
> overload the link
> without having any user observable qualitative
> difference.  Some factors
> which contribute even more to the success of
> overloading are the bit
> rate varies as the encoders don't always output the
> maximum data rate. 
> The fact that most streams on the public internet
> are short lived, the
> standard buffers can cover the end of the stream the
> user is still
> viewing leaving capacity for other streams to go
> through their peak
> startup period.  The traditional stat muxing factors
> come into play
> where depending upon the application there is some
> downcycle in
> streaming usage in the workflow.  You only need a
> 2.5:1 to get 300kbps
> streams through uncongested.  
> 
> Lastly I think you are approaching the wrong
> problem.  Non streaming
> uses for the same 2Mbps link will be the big enemy
> of predictably good
> streaming performance.  Your application may even be
> one of those by
> downloading other supporting data...
> 
> To more directly approach the problem space you
> posed:
> -There is xauth in pixOS and I believe IOS NAT
> -Couple that with a creative authentication server,
> or script to control
> it
> -The above should get you the max number of sessions
> through.
> -Can't recall the reflexive access lists with CAR
> ball of wax off the
> top of my head.  But there is some per-session rate
> limiting in cisco.
> 
> There are various rate limiting equipment out there.
>  Riverstone has
> good affordable routers for this, Netscreen claims
> to do it(haven't used
> them yet), and Packeteer also does this type of
> thing.  There is more
> but I believe them to be the notables.
> 
> There are proxy and/or cache products which would
> address the max number
> of sessions issue and maybe address the usage
> pattern you have.
> 
> Not that I'd recommend this, but if your application
> and rest of the
> network path can adequately support forcing the
> streams over a tcp
> session you'll probably find it much easier to deal
> with the rate
> limiting.  But really try to handle it without
> forcing tcp as any
> backoffs will hurt the qualitative performance if
> there are other
> signficant numbers of tcps over any congested
> link.(read: IME(nee
> opinion) tcp will backoff quicker than a given
> streaming protocol)
> 
> Good Luck,
> Darrell (always looking for contract work) Newcomb
> 
> Gaz wrote:
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I'm after some ideas if you'd be so kind :-)
> > 
> > A 2Mb link being used mainly for streaming media
> has about 15 potential
> > users. The task is to limit the number of users at
> any one time to four, so
> > they have half a Mb each (ish).
> > 
> > My initial idea, which I must admit, I dont think
> is such a good one is to
> > set up a NAT pool of four addresses, and drag the
> translation timeout down
> > to about a minute (yet to be tested), so that the
> first four users to pass
> > traffic will be translated and allowed through,
> but after that, they'll
> have
> > to wait.
> > 
> > I'm off to look at something like TACACS to see if
> I can control network
> > authorization by number of users (shot in the
> dark).
> > 
> > No equipment in place yet, so we have a clean
> drawing board.
> > 
> > Anybody have any neat ideas please!!
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Gaz
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Re: CCIE On-line lab prep [7:33566]

2002-01-31 Thread David L. Blair

If you already offer a CCIE bootcamp the last day or two could be a mock lab
exam, then a detailed "lessons learned" session the next day or half day.

My $0.02 worth.


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>
> We were thinking of coming up with something like this, I just wasnt sure
of
> the interest level.  Maybe there's more people out there that would like a
> mock 1-day lab exam that is proctored by a CCIE?  If anyone else is
> interested, feel free to drop me a line.
>
> thanks,
> -Brad Ellis
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>
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> > It seems like sometime back in the Fall, someone on the list reviewed a
> > remote lab test/training option. This particular lab was timed and had
two
> > portions: the practice lab, and the simulated final lab. You could take
> the
> > practice lab as many times as you wanted, but you could only take the
> > simulated (and timed) final lab once. I also think the cost of this was
> > around $500.
> >
> > I looked through the archives and the only thing close to this that I
> found
> > was Chuck's review of the now defunct Mentor Tech vLab. That didn't seem
> > quite right, but I could be mistaken.
> >
> > Does anyone recall this review, or know of a similar situation?
> >
> > Thanks,
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Re: ATM issue [7:33802]

2002-01-31 Thread MADMAN

I mean "oam-pvc manage"

interface ATM1/0.32 point-to-point
 ip address 1.1.1.2 255.255.255.0
 pvc madman 1/32
  oam-pvc manage
  encapsulation aal5snap


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MADMAN wrote:
> 
> You need to enable OAM.  Simply under the PVC add on both end "oam
> enable"
> 
>   Dave
> 
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
> >
> > How can I detect an ATM link went down?
> >
> > Due to business reason, we are in a process to replace old Frame Relay
> > connections with ATM connections. But when Carrier's ATM network had
> problem
> > and one of the ATM link went down, the router interface attached to it
> still
> > shows up up. For that reason the ISDN backup interface on the same router
> > wouldn't automatically dial the remote end, and we couldn't meet 7x24
> > requirement.
> >
> > There was no such problem before switching to ATM. It works perfectly
with
> > FR connections and ISDN DDR Backup. If there was a problem in one of the
FR
> > links, the interface attached to it will go down and the ISDN interface
> will
> > automatically dial the remote end.
> >
> > Is there any way to get around this problem?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Tony
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Re: Variance for Eigrp...does it actually work?? [7:33835]

2002-01-31 Thread MADMAN

I'm not going to attempt to explain the mathmatics but the last time I
needed to use variance, get EIGRP to loadshare over a T1 and T3 a
variance of 2 worked perfectly.

  Dave

John Neiberger wrote:
> 
> I don't really have an answer, this is more of a "me too" email.  I've
> only bothered with variance once in a practice lab and I was not able to
> make it work even after setting the variance to a ridiculously high
> number.  No matter what I did, I was not able to get both EIGRP routes
> into the routing table.
> 
> At some point I need to go back and figure out why it wasn't working
> but I've been avoiding it.
> 
> John
> 
> >>> "Cisco Nuts"  1/31/02 12:05:03 AM >>>
> Hello,I am testing out the variance command under eigrp and it does
> not
> seem to be working the way it is explained in the CCNP routing guide
> by
> CiscoPress. Any ideas ? Sorry, Long post but need help.I have RTA
> connected to RTB and RTC via FR physical intf. running eigrp 1RTB and
> RTC
> are connected to BBR via serials also running eigrp 1BBR is connected
> to
> TS via serial running eigrp 1 and igrp 1TS is connected to REMOTE
> running
> rip.RTA to RTB to BBR have bandwidth = 64 configed.RTA to RTC to BBR
> have
> the default bw = 1.544On RTA, the route to Rip netw. 12. and 13. on
> Remote show up via the RTC to BBR to TS to Remote routewhich is
> correct.D EX 12.0.0.0/8 [170/3245056] via 192.168.10.243, 00:12:37,
> Serial0
> D EX 13.0.0.0/8 [170/3245056] via 192.168.10.243, 00:13:42, Serial0
> The
> metric via RTB to BBR to TS to Remote is 41538560 as inD EX 12.0.0.0/8
> [170/41538560] via 192.168.10.242, 00:00:17, Serial0
> D EX 13.0.0.0/8 [170/41538560] via 192.168.10.242, 00:00:17, Serial0
> After
> doing the math,( multiplied 3245056 x 13 to get 42185728 which is
> greater
> than 41538560), I configed a variance of 13 on RTA and expected to see
> 2
> routes to networks 12. and 13. but only 1 route shows up, that thru
> RTC.Is
> there a reason why?Thank you. :
> 
> 
> 
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Re: ATM issue [7:33802]

2002-01-31 Thread John Neiberger

This is definitely something that we have a need for here.  We have
multiple locations with DSL backup links that terminate back here on an
ATM DS1.  Since these are backup links, without OAM I have no way of
knowing when there is a problem with one.  Qwest DSL support certainly
isn't going to call me and let me know!

So, I've enabled OAM and now get a nice syslog message when the link
goes down.  This allows me to get a quicker start on my one-hour phone
call with clueless tech support.  ;-)

John

>>> "Chuck Larrieu"  1/31/02 8:55:17 AM >>>
I'm asking because I don't know the real world answer, and don't have a
lot
of real world experience with ATM.

My reading is that OAM will shut down interfaces when the end to end
ATM PVC
fails. Can you explain this in a bit more detail. Is this something
you
really want to happen in real world? Wouldn't this complicate things
when
the link comes back up?

Chuck



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> enable"
>
>   Dave
>
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
> >
> > How can I detect an ATM link went down?
> >
> > Due to business reason, we are in a process to replace old Frame
Relay
> > connections with ATM connections. But when Carrier's ATM network
had
> problem
> > and one of the ATM link went down, the router interface attached to
it
> still
> > shows up up. For that reason the ISDN backup interface on the same
router
> > wouldn't automatically dial the remote end, and we couldn't meet
7x24
> > requirement.
> >
> > There was no such problem before switching to ATM. It works
perfectly
with
> > FR connections and ISDN DDR Backup. If there was a problem in one
of the
FR
> > links, the interface attached to it will go down and the ISDN
interface
> will
> > automatically dial the remote end.
> >
> > Is there any way to get around this problem?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Tony
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RE: Variance for Eigrp...does it actually work?? [7:33835]

2002-01-31 Thread Jim Brown

Even with the variance command a neighbor might not be considered a feasible
successor. Remember a feasible successor is a path whose reported distance
is less than the feasible distance. 

This is a loop prevention method in EIGRP.

Read the section, "Deciding if a Path is Loop-Free" in the document at the
link below

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/103/eigrp1.html#6

I guarantee a light bulb will come on above your head after you read this.


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I don't really have an answer, this is more of a "me too" email.  I've only
bothered with variance once in a practice lab and I was not able to make it
work even after setting the variance to a ridiculously high number.  No
matter what I did, I was not able to get both EIGRP routes into the routing
table.

At some point I need to go back and figure out why it wasn't working but
I've been avoiding it.  

John

>>> "Cisco Nuts"  1/31/02 12:05:03 AM >>>
Hello,I am testing out the variance command under eigrp and it does not seem
to be working the way it is explained in the CCNP routing guide by
CiscoPress. Any ideas ? Sorry, Long post but need help.I have RTA connected
to RTB and RTC via FR physical intf. running eigrp 1RTB and RTC are
connected to BBR via serials also running eigrp 1BBR is connected to TS via
serial running eigrp 1 and igrp 1TS is connected to REMOTE running rip.RTA
to RTB to BBR have bandwidth = 64 configed.RTA to RTC to BBR have the
default bw = 1.544On RTA, the route to Rip netw. 12. and 13. on Remote show
up via the RTC to BBR to TS to Remote routewhich is correct.D EX
12.0.0.0/8 [170/3245056] via 192.168.10.243, 00:12:37, Serial0 D EX
13.0.0.0/8 [170/3245056] via 192.168.10.243, 00:13:42, Serial0 The metric
via RTB to BBR to TS to Remote is 41538560 as inD EX 12.0.0.0/8
[170/41538560] via 192.168.10.242, 00:00:17, Serial0 D EX 13.0.0.0/8
[170/41538560] via 192.168.10.242, 00:00:17, Serial0 After doing the math,(
multiplied 3245056 x 13 to get 42185728 which is greater than 41538560), I
configed a variance of 13 on RTA and expected to see 2 routes to networks
12. and 13. but only 1 route shows up, that thru RTC.Is there a reason
why?Thank you. : 



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Topic repeat [7:33865]

2002-01-31 Thread Shawn Xu

First of all, I should announce I have searched Archives before I post this 
message, but not exactly match my question.

Some people said for this topic you have to use BGP, and some people said 
you can use default route if you are only for load balance and fault 
tolerance purpose.

We have one client, who currently uses T1 line (Cisco 2503 router) to an 
ISP, and has a whole class C ip address (/24) from the ISP. And on their 
local network, they have web server, mail server, etc. everything is working 
fine.

Now they want to connect to us using SDSL line (Cisco 1605 router) for load 
balance and fault tolerance.

How to do that?

1. Cannot use BGP, because nobody wants to buy a BGP router.
2. Static or default route:
(1) HSRP groups implement load sharing, and automatically switching over in 
case  of one line is down, is it right?
(2) Because they are using T1 line ISP's IP address for local network, if T1 
line is down, how can we route their traffic through DSL line, ip route 
0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 DSL_ISP will work? and from outside how people can reach 
their local network through DSL line?

Thanks

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Re: Please confirm (conf#d22216f5b24622b2d135b956c50be7ca) [7:33866]

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>Topic: connecting to two ISPs for load balance and fault tolerance.
>
>First of all, I should announce I have searched Archives before I post this
>message, but not exactly match my question.
>
>Some people said for this topic you have to use BGP, and some people said
>you can use default route if you are only for load balance and fault
>tolerance purpose.
>
>We have one client, who currently uses T1 line (Cisco 2503 router) to an
>ISP, and has a whole class C ip address (/24) from the ISP. And on their
>local network, they have web server, mail server, etc. everything is 
>working
>fine.
>
>Now they want to connect to us using SDSL line (Cisco 1605 router) for load
>balance and fault tolerance.
>
>How to do that?
>
>1. Cannot use BGP, because nobody wants to buy a BGP router.
>2. Static or default route:
>(1) HSRP groups implement load sharing, and automatically switching over in
>case  of one line is down, is it right?
>(2) Because they are using T1 line ISP's IP address for local network, if 
>T1
>line is down, how can we route their traffic through DSL line, ip route
>0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 DSL_ISP will work? and from outside how people can reach
>their local network through DSL line?
>
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>
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>
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Topic repeat [7:33868]

2002-01-31 Thread Shawn Xu

First of all, I should announce I have searched Archives before I post this 
message, but not exactly match my question.

Some people said for this topic you have to use BGP, and some people said 
you can use default route if you are only for load balance and fault 
tolerance purpose.

We have one client, who currently uses T1 line (Cisco 2503 router) to an 
ISP, and has a whole class C ip address (/24) from the ISP. And on their 
local network, they have web server, mail server, etc. everything is working 
fine.

Now they want to connect to us using SDSL line (Cisco 1605 router) for load 
balance and fault tolerance.

How to do that?

1. Cannot use BGP, because nobody wants to buy a BGP router.
2. Static or default route:
(1) HSRP groups implement load sharing, and automatically switching over in 
case  of one line is down, is it right?
(2) Because they are using T1 line ISP's IP address for local network, if T1 
line is down, how can we route their traffic through DSL line, ip route 
0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 DSL_ISP will work? and from outside how people can reach 
their local network through DSL line?

Thanks

Shawn












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Re: ISDN simulator [7:33841]

2002-01-31 Thread Brad Ellis

Ronald,

If you want the lowest price simulator available, you should go with the
simline2.  It has S/T interfaces so it goes nicely with 2503s, 2504s, etc.
Paul B. (the owner of groupstudy) also bought one of these for his home lab.
I believe he posted about it somewhere.  Check the archives:
www.groupstudy.com  If you want more detailed information  on the simline2
you can visit www.cheapisdn.com

thanks,
-Brad Ellis
CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
Network Learning Inc

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> but very interest to see whether real ccie lab use isdn simulator or isdn
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Re: Topic repeat [7:33865]

2002-01-31 Thread Steven A. Ridder

2.  Is your choice.  If you use HSRP, remember that only one link will be
used at one time.   It sounds like a good choice for you as long as you
realize one link is primary and one is back-up.  You can do the 0.0.0.0
routes with one floating above the other.

As for the rerouted traffic, it's a little more complicated.  You could
create secondary MX records  for the e-mail, would need to have the primary
ISP who gave you the /24 have a back-up route to the other router if it
became unreachable or do off site web hosting.  I'm sure there are other
options, but these are the first that come to my mind.

HTH,
Steve

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> First of all, I should announce I have searched Archives before I post
this
> message, but not exactly match my question.
>
> Some people said for this topic you have to use BGP, and some people said
> you can use default route if you are only for load balance and fault
> tolerance purpose.
>
> We have one client, who currently uses T1 line (Cisco 2503 router) to an
> ISP, and has a whole class C ip address (/24) from the ISP. And on their
> local network, they have web server, mail server, etc. everything is
working
> fine.
>
> Now they want to connect to us using SDSL line (Cisco 1605 router) for
load
> balance and fault tolerance.
>
> How to do that?
>
> 1. Cannot use BGP, because nobody wants to buy a BGP router.
> 2. Static or default route:
> (1) HSRP groups implement load sharing, and automatically switching over
in
> case  of one line is down, is it right?
> (2) Because they are using T1 line ISP's IP address for local network, if
T1
> line is down, how can we route their traffic through DSL line, ip route
> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 DSL_ISP will work? and from outside how people can reach
> their local network through DSL line?
>
> Thanks
>
> Shawn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Topic repeat [7:33870]

2002-01-31 Thread Shawn Xu

First of all, I should announce I have searched Archives before I post this 
message, but not exactly match my question.

Some people said for this topic you have to use BGP, and some people said 
you can use default route if you are only for load balance and fault 
tolerance purpose.

We have one client, who currently uses T1 line (Cisco 2503 router) to an 
ISP, and has a whole class C ip address (/24) from the ISP. And on their 
local network, they have web server, mail server, etc. everything is working 
fine.

Now they want to connect to us using SDSL line (Cisco 1605 router) for load 
balance and fault tolerance.

How to do that?

1. Cannot use BGP, because nobody wants to buy a BGP router.
2. Static or default route:
(1) HSRP groups implement load sharing, and automatically switching over in 
case  of one line is down, is it right?
(2) Because they are using T1 line ISP's IP address for local network, if T1 
line is down, how can we route their traffic through DSL line, ip route 
0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 DSL_ISP will work? and from outside how people can reach 
their local network through DSL line?

Thanks

Shawn














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CCIE benefits [7:33871]

2002-01-31 Thread Joe Carr

Does anyone know if a CCIE gets free TAC support? OR what other benefits does
a CCIE receive




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Fw: CCIE benefits [7:33872]

2002-01-31 Thread Joe Carr

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Subject: CCIE benefits


Does anyone know if a CCIE gets free TAC support? OR what other benefits does
a CCIE receive




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Re: ATM issue [7:33802]

2002-01-31 Thread MADMAN

The primary reason I have used OAM is when a customer has a backup
circuit and lets say you use a floating static route.  If the remote
sight has a problem your ATM interface will stay up thereby negating the
usefulness of the floating static route.  In ATM as in frame, up an up
is only to the repective switch, not the remote device.  With OAM
enabled the end devices, i.e. routers, communicate with each other as to
their status.  If they loose a configurable number of OAM cells the
interface will declare itself down.

  This is also nice for customers that are monitoring their ATM network
via SNMP.

  I'm not quite sure what your concern is when you say it may complicate
things, it just allows for the real status of the link to be known.

  Hope that helps some

  Dave

Chuck Larrieu wrote:
> 
> I'm asking because I don't know the real world answer, and don't have a lot
> of real world experience with ATM.
> 
> My reading is that OAM will shut down interfaces when the end to end ATM
PVC
> fails. Can you explain this in a bit more detail. Is this something you
> really want to happen in real world? Wouldn't this complicate things when
> the link comes back up?
> 
> Chuck
> 
> ""MADMAN""  wrote in message
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> > You need to enable OAM.  Simply under the PVC add on both end "oam
> > enable"
> >
> >   Dave
> >
> > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
> > >
> > > How can I detect an ATM link went down?
> > >
> > > Due to business reason, we are in a process to replace old Frame Relay
> > > connections with ATM connections. But when Carrier's ATM network had
> > problem
> > > and one of the ATM link went down, the router interface attached to it
> > still
> > > shows up up. For that reason the ISDN backup interface on the same
> router
> > > wouldn't automatically dial the remote end, and we couldn't meet 7x24
> > > requirement.
> > >
> > > There was no such problem before switching to ATM. It works perfectly
> with
> > > FR connections and ISDN DDR Backup. If there was a problem in one of
the
> FR
> > > links, the interface attached to it will go down and the ISDN interface
> > will
> > > automatically dial the remote end.
> > >
> > > Is there any way to get around this problem?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > Tony
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CCIE benefits [7:33874]

2002-01-31 Thread Joe Carr

Does anyone know if a CCIE gets free TAC support? OR what other benefits does
a CCIE receive?




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RE: Variance for Eigrp...does it actually work?? [7:33835]

2002-01-31 Thread Kazan, Naim

OT,

I placed an order for ccna with cheet-sheets and those guys never return my
emails. Does anybody know if they are up and still working.

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Subject: Re: Variance for Eigrp...does it actually work?? [7:33835]


I'm not going to attempt to explain the mathmatics but the last time I
needed to use variance, get EIGRP to loadshare over a T1 and T3 a
variance of 2 worked perfectly.

  Dave

John Neiberger wrote:
> 
> I don't really have an answer, this is more of a "me too" email.  I've
> only bothered with variance once in a practice lab and I was not able to
> make it work even after setting the variance to a ridiculously high
> number.  No matter what I did, I was not able to get both EIGRP routes
> into the routing table.
> 
> At some point I need to go back and figure out why it wasn't working
> but I've been avoiding it.
> 
> John
> 
> >>> "Cisco Nuts"  1/31/02 12:05:03 AM >>>
> Hello,I am testing out the variance command under eigrp and it does
> not
> seem to be working the way it is explained in the CCNP routing guide
> by
> CiscoPress. Any ideas ? Sorry, Long post but need help.I have RTA
> connected to RTB and RTC via FR physical intf. running eigrp 1RTB and
> RTC
> are connected to BBR via serials also running eigrp 1BBR is connected
> to
> TS via serial running eigrp 1 and igrp 1TS is connected to REMOTE
> running
> rip.RTA to RTB to BBR have bandwidth = 64 configed.RTA to RTC to BBR
> have
> the default bw = 1.544On RTA, the route to Rip netw. 12. and 13. on
> Remote show up via the RTC to BBR to TS to Remote routewhich is
> correct.D EX 12.0.0.0/8 [170/3245056] via 192.168.10.243, 00:12:37,
> Serial0
> D EX 13.0.0.0/8 [170/3245056] via 192.168.10.243, 00:13:42, Serial0
> The
> metric via RTB to BBR to TS to Remote is 41538560 as inD EX 12.0.0.0/8
> [170/41538560] via 192.168.10.242, 00:00:17, Serial0
> D EX 13.0.0.0/8 [170/41538560] via 192.168.10.242, 00:00:17, Serial0
> After
> doing the math,( multiplied 3245056 x 13 to get 42185728 which is
> greater
> than 41538560), I configed a variance of 13 on RTA and expected to see
> 2
> routes to networks 12. and 13. but only 1 route shows up, that thru
> RTC.Is
> there a reason why?Thank you. :
> 
> 
> 
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Re: ISDN simulator [7:33841]

2002-01-31 Thread Georg Pauwen

Hi,

there is also a lot of simulator stuff at:

http://www.teltone.com/telecom_solutions/test_tools/test_home.html

Regards,

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Boson Tests didnt help for BCRAN [7:33879]

2002-01-31 Thread rtc9

I recently took the BCRAN Test and used Boson Tests 1 and 2 to help me
prepare along with the Cisco Book. I didnt pass, I missed by one question. I
was taken aback; the Boson tests didnt really prepare me for the Exam. Does
anyone have any suggestions for the BCRAN Exam preparation process.




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BCRAN Exam Preparation [7:33878]

2002-01-31 Thread rtc9

I recently took the BCRAN Test and used Boson Tests 1 and 2 to help me
prepare along with the Cisco Book. I didnt pass, I missed by one question. I
was taken aback; the Boson tests didnt really prepare me for the Exam. Does
anyone have any suggestions for the BCRAN Exam preparation process.




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RE: ethernet errors explained [7:33687]

2002-01-31 Thread Evans, TJ

You can also get these nice kind of hard-to-troubleshoot issues if your
cables are not wired properly; i.e. 'crossed or mismatched pairs' on some
cable-testers.
Specifically - if the pinout is such that the wrong wires are being twisted
around each other ... would normally work just fine for really short runs,
but get into 20' or longer and you get the problems listed below.

Also - just for the record - we had absolute fits  with our RS6k's as well
until hard-coding each
side at the same speed and duplex; 100/FULL. In our case .


Thanks!
TJ

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> > Are you sure switch and NIC are the same speed and duplex?  Looks like
>port
> > speed/duplex mismatch.
> > ""Patrick Donlon""  wrote in message
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> > > Hi Everyone
> > >
> > >  I trying to find some information on some Ethernet errors that I see
on
>a
> > >  port, see the text below. The machine is an RS6000 and was
experiencing
> > > some
> > >  performance problems, the NIC was set to auto negotiation and there
>were
> > > the
> > >  usual errors. The port and NIC are now both fixed and the errors are
> > >  increasing steadily, I've had a good search on the CCO but I can't
find
> > any
> > >  explanation of what causes the errors, any advice will be appreciated
> > >
> > >  Regards
> > >
> > >  Patrick

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ISDN PRI to BRI [7:33882]

2002-01-31 Thread Muthuraja Ayyanar

Hello All,

when i order and get a ISDN PRI will i get 23/24 SPID ?? I know when i order
ISDN BRI i will get two SPID for the two B channels and trying to understand
how it would be for ISDN PRI , let's say if i want to provide ISDN dial
backup from abt 15 spokes ( BRI) to central site ( ISDN PRI) , i would go
abt and order 15 ISDN BRI for individual spokes , what would i get in terms
of identification if i order a ISDN PRI ?? Is it just one SPID ? 

Appreciate your assitance,

Muthu




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RE: Cisco IDS [7:33842]

2002-01-31 Thread Georg Pauwen

Hi Mohannad,

I work for a financial company, and I have the Cat6000 IDS Module installed
in a Cat6509. As far as I can say, it is not much of a problem to install
it. For management of the module, you will need either the Cisco Secure
Policy Manager (CSPM) v2.2 and higher, or Cisco Secure Intrusion Detection
Director.
What kind of company are you working for ? It all depends on what level of
security you require.

Regards,

Georg 


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Re: Topic repeat [7:33865]

2002-01-31 Thread MADMAN

You can use BGP if you simply receive partial routes from say the SDSL
provider and point default at the other with floating default for SDSL
provider.  This way you can dynamically announce your network, get some
load balancing and redundancy.

  Dave

Shawn Xu wrote:
> 
> First of all, I should announce I have searched Archives before I post this
> message, but not exactly match my question.
> 
> Some people said for this topic you have to use BGP, and some people said
> you can use default route if you are only for load balance and fault
> tolerance purpose.
> 
> We have one client, who currently uses T1 line (Cisco 2503 router) to an
> ISP, and has a whole class C ip address (/24) from the ISP. And on their
> local network, they have web server, mail server, etc. everything is
working
> fine.
> 
> Now they want to connect to us using SDSL line (Cisco 1605 router) for load
> balance and fault tolerance.
> 
> How to do that?
> 
> 1. Cannot use BGP, because nobody wants to buy a BGP router.
> 2. Static or default route:
> (1) HSRP groups implement load sharing, and automatically switching over in
> case  of one line is down, is it right?
> (2) Because they are using T1 line ISP's IP address for local network, if
T1
> line is down, how can we route their traffic through DSL line, ip route
> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 DSL_ISP will work? and from outside how people can reach
> their local network through DSL line?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Shawn
> 
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OSPF and DDR w/area authentication [7:33884]

2002-01-31 Thread Richard Newman

Hi all.
I was working on a lab with an ISDN link between two of my OSPF routers. The
link would come up if the Frame cloud went away. Normal stuff link would be
initiated as usual. However, since area 0 had authentication turned on
broadcasts from 224.0.0.5 kept the isdn link up all the time. If I filtered
out the 224.0.0.5 from being interesting the ospf neighbors would get
terminated at the dead interval. When I turn off authen. from area 0 all
worked as normal.

Is this a normal occurrance? When area authentication is turned on do the
key exchanges still happen even over a demand-circuit?

Thanks...
Richard Newman




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RE: ethernet errors explained [7:33687]

2002-01-31 Thread Bolton, Travis

I would change out the cat 5 cable and also move the cable to a different
port/card on the switch.  If you are still experiencing problems then I
would replace the NIC on the server.  Just my 2 cents.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:12 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: ethernet errors explained [7:33687]


You can also get these nice kind of hard-to-troubleshoot issues if your
cables are not wired properly; i.e. 'crossed or mismatched pairs' on some
cable-testers.
Specifically - if the pinout is such that the wrong wires are being twisted
around each other ... would normally work just fine for really short runs,
but get into 20' or longer and you get the problems listed below.

Also - just for the record - we had absolute fits  with our RS6k's as well
until hard-coding each
side at the same speed and duplex; 100/FULL. In our case .


Thanks!
TJ

>""Steven A. Ridder""  wrote in message
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Are you sure switch and NIC are the same speed and duplex?  Looks like
>port
> > speed/duplex mismatch.
> > ""Patrick Donlon""  wrote in message
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Hi Everyone
> > >
> > >  I trying to find some information on some Ethernet errors that I see
on
>a
> > >  port, see the text below. The machine is an RS6000 and was
experiencing
> > > some
> > >  performance problems, the NIC was set to auto negotiation and there
>were
> > > the
> > >  usual errors. The port and NIC are now both fixed and the errors are
> > >  increasing steadily, I've had a good search on the CCO but I can't
find
> > any
> > >  explanation of what causes the errors, any advice will be appreciated
> > >
> > >  Regards
> > >
> > >  Patrick


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RE: CCIE benefits [7:33872]

2002-01-31 Thread Bill Carter

If the device in question has Smartnet, a CCIE can automatically go to Level
2 live handoff.  They assume you have done the basic trouble shooting and
CCO research.  Not sure if CCIE gets free TAC support if there is no
smartnet.

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Subject: CCIE benefits


Does anyone know if a CCIE gets free TAC support? OR what other benefits
does
a CCIE receive




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RE: Passing CID [7:33784]

2002-01-31 Thread brian hall

Its just a typo. I meant, "which answer does not belong"


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RE: Boson Tests didnt help for BCRAN [7:33879]

2002-01-31 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

Yes, first of all the Boson Tests are not ment for preparation of the
material (in my opinion), but should be used when you know the material to
prepare you for the Cisco Way of asking questions, and to give you an idea
what you can expect.

I always wait until I have read the book(s) and think I am ready, and if I
cannot score about 80% on the first time I take the Boson test(s), I know
that I need to go back to my book(s). If you keep taking the Boson test(s),
you will eventually score a 100%, but that doesn't mean that you know your
material - only that you have a good memory.

As one of the only exams I have ever taken, I only used one book for the
BCRAN exam, and you can read more about that if you follow my Router Chief
link below.

Hth,

Ole

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Subject: Boson Tests didnt help for BCRAN [7:33879]


I recently took the BCRAN Test and used Boson Tests 1 and 2 to help me
prepare along with the Cisco Book. I didnt pass, I missed by one question. I
was taken aback; the Boson tests didnt really prepare me for the Exam. Does
anyone have any suggestions for the BCRAN Exam preparation process.




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IOS IP [7:33889]

2002-01-31 Thread Muthuraja Ayyanar

Hello All ,

Does the IOS Ip supports NAT or i have to get Ent Plus IOS for NAT support
??

Thanks,

Muthu




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Re: CCIE benefits [7:33871]

2002-01-31 Thread Peter van Oene

No free TAC.  However your cases are marked CCIE and usually handled by 
something other than 1st level support


At 11:36 AM 1/31/2002 -0500, Joe Carr wrote:
>Does anyone know if a CCIE gets free TAC support? OR what other benefits
does
>a CCIE receive




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Re: Boson Tests didnt help for BCRAN [7:33879]

2002-01-31 Thread Steven A. Ridder

I just read the CCNP exam certification guide for Remote Access.  It was
pretty straight-forward and that book covered it all.


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> prepare along with the Cisco Book. I didnt pass, I missed by one question.
I
> was taken aback; the Boson tests didnt really prepare me for the Exam.
Does
> anyone have any suggestions for the BCRAN Exam preparation process.




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RE: Variance for Eigrp...does it actually work?? [7:33835]

2002-01-31 Thread John Neiberger

I think this was the exact issue that I was running into.  Given this
information, it seems that this decreases the usefulness of the variance
command greatly.  I'll try to draw the my scenario in text:

   [A]
   / \
 / \
   [B] [C]
 \   /
   \   /
[D]
  |
  |
[E]

Let's start out with a metric of 10 on each link.  At Router A, it sees
two paths to network E, each with a metric of 30.  Now let's make set
the C-D metric to 20.  Router A will now pick the path through B because
of the lower metric (30).  Since the advertised distance from C is also
30--not greater than the FD--then it becomes a feasible successor.  In
this case, addind the variance command would have an effect.

Now, make the C-D metric 30.  Router A will install the route through B
with a metric of 30.  However, since the advertised distance from C (40)
is now greater than the FD, router C will not be entered into the EIGRP
topology table as a feasible successor.  In this situation, variance
would have no relevance because we only have a single feasible successor
in the table.

Is that basically it?

Thanks!
John


>>> Jim Brown  1/31/02 8:24:00 AM >>>
Even with the variance command a neighbor might not be considered a
feasible
successor. Remember a feasible successor is a path whose reported
distance
is less than the feasible distance. 

This is a loop prevention method in EIGRP.

Read the section, "Deciding if a Path is Loop-Free" in the document at
the
link below

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/103/eigrp1.html#6 

I guarantee a light bulb will come on above your head after you read
this.


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I don't really have an answer, this is more of a "me too" email.  I've
only
bothered with variance once in a practice lab and I was not able to
make it
work even after setting the variance to a ridiculously high number. 
No
matter what I did, I was not able to get both EIGRP routes into the
routing
table.

At some point I need to go back and figure out why it wasn't working
but
I've been avoiding it.  

John

>>> "Cisco Nuts"  1/31/02 12:05:03 AM >>>
Hello,I am testing out the variance command under eigrp and it does not
seem
to be working the way it is explained in the CCNP routing guide by
CiscoPress. Any ideas ? Sorry, Long post but need help.I have RTA
connected
to RTB and RTC via FR physical intf. running eigrp 1RTB and RTC are
connected to BBR via serials also running eigrp 1BBR is connected to TS
via
serial running eigrp 1 and igrp 1TS is connected to REMOTE running
rip.RTA
to RTB to BBR have bandwidth = 64 configed.RTA to RTC to BBR have the
default bw = 1.544On RTA, the route to Rip netw. 12. and 13. on Remote
show
up via the RTC to BBR to TS to Remote routewhich is correct.D EX
12.0.0.0/8 [170/3245056] via 192.168.10.243, 00:12:37, Serial0 D EX
13.0.0.0/8 [170/3245056] via 192.168.10.243, 00:13:42, Serial0 The
metric
via RTB to BBR to TS to Remote is 41538560 as inD EX 12.0.0.0/8
[170/41538560] via 192.168.10.242, 00:00:17, Serial0 D EX 13.0.0.0/8
[170/41538560] via 192.168.10.242, 00:00:17, Serial0 After doing the
math,(
multiplied 3245056 x 13 to get 42185728 which is greater than
41538560), I
configed a variance of 13 on RTA and expected to see 2 routes to
networks
12. and 13. but only 1 route shows up, that thru RTC.Is there a reason
why?Thank you. : 



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Re: IOS IP [7:33889]

2002-01-31 Thread Steven A. Ridder

IOS supports Nat I believe after 11.3 and PAT in 12.0.
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>
> Does the IOS Ip supports NAT or i have to get Ent Plus IOS for NAT support
> ??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Muthu




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RE: Passing CID [7:33784]

2002-01-31 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

Okay, thanks - that makes more sense :-)

And congratulations btw - good going!

Ole


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Its just a typo. I meant, "which answer does not belong"




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Re: CCIE benefits [7:33871]

2002-01-31 Thread MADMAN

Hell no!  Benefits, I still have a job  :)

  Dave

Joe Carr wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if a CCIE gets free TAC support? OR what other benefits
does
> a CCIE receive
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RE: Topic repeat [7:33865]

2002-01-31 Thread Joseph Brunner

get real.. what SDSL Provider is going to do BGP with you ?

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You can use BGP if you simply receive partial routes from say the SDSL
provider and point default at the other with floating default for SDSL
provider.  This way you can dynamically announce your network, get some
load balancing and redundancy.

  Dave

Shawn Xu wrote:
> 
> First of all, I should announce I have searched Archives before I post
this
> message, but not exactly match my question.
> 
> Some people said for this topic you have to use BGP, and some people said
> you can use default route if you are only for load balance and fault
> tolerance purpose.
> 
> We have one client, who currently uses T1 line (Cisco 2503 router) to an
> ISP, and has a whole class C ip address (/24) from the ISP. And on their
> local network, they have web server, mail server, etc. everything is
working
> fine.
> 
> Now they want to connect to us using SDSL line (Cisco 1605 router) for
load
> balance and fault tolerance.
> 
> How to do that?
> 
> 1. Cannot use BGP, because nobody wants to buy a BGP router.
> 2. Static or default route:
> (1) HSRP groups implement load sharing, and automatically switching over
in
> case  of one line is down, is it right?
> (2) Because they are using T1 line ISP's IP address for local network, if
T1
> line is down, how can we route their traffic through DSL line, ip route
> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 DSL_ISP will work? and from outside how people can reach
> their local network through DSL line?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Shawn
> 
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Re: CCIE benefits [7:33871]

2002-01-31 Thread Brad Ellis

Most CCIE's dont bother the TAC, they figure out the problem themselves!  :)

Im not sure if CCIE's get free support, but if you have a service contract,
and you are registered in CCO, they seem to respond a little faster to the
CCIE's (myself and a couple others have noticed that).  Personally, I try
not to open a case unless I think I have found an IOS bug or have a hardware
issue.  Granted, I have openned up my fair share of "stupid-cases" in the
past.  (The best one occuring pretty recently...I had a grey CPA 3640 router
and I was asking for the cookie file...needless to say, there is no such
thing as a cookie for the CPA 3640, all I had to do was load a new IOS image
onto it)

thanks,
-Brad Ellis
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Re: ISDN PRI to BRI [7:33882]

2002-01-31 Thread MADMAN

You get A telephone number.  All the remote sites dial the same number
and the teleco switch does it's magic.  For a price you can get
individual numbers if you really want.

  Dave

Muthuraja Ayyanar wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> when i order and get a ISDN PRI will i get 23/24 SPID ?? I know when i
order
> ISDN BRI i will get two SPID for the two B channels and trying to
understand
> how it would be for ISDN PRI , let's say if i want to provide ISDN dial
> backup from abt 15 spokes ( BRI) to central site ( ISDN PRI) , i would go
> abt and order 15 ISDN BRI for individual spokes , what would i get in terms
> of identification if i order a ISDN PRI ?? Is it just one SPID ?
> 
> Appreciate your assitance,
> 
> Muthu
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VIP2 ATM issue [7:33898]

2002-01-31 Thread Joe Carr

I have a cat5000 with sup III and RSM w/VIP2 card. in the VIP card I have a
songle port OC3 multimode fiber card installed.
When I session into the RSM I cannot access the atm interface and it does not
show up  in a show int or a show run. I can see the VIP2 on the sup III as an
expansion module. Can you help me?

Thanks,
Joe




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CCIE starting pay [7:33899]

2002-01-31 Thread Joe Carr

what would be the average starting pay for CCIE with no work experience.




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Re: CCIE starting pay [7:33899]

2002-01-31 Thread nana sei

zilch

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Re: CCIE starting pay [7:33899]

2002-01-31 Thread Steven A. Ridder

hopefully nothing.
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Re: Passing CID [7:33784]

2002-01-31 Thread Godswill HO

That might be the likely case. But what stops them from correcting these
mistakes each time they review their questions? Why do we have such frequent
typo errors in other exams like microsoft, checkpoint, etc?...just thinking
aloud.


Regards.
Oletu

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> Its just a typo. I meant, "which answer does not belong"
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RE: ethernet errors explained [7:33687]

2002-01-31 Thread Quezada, Jose L

If it is feasible, you might want to move the workstation to work your
switch is and connect with a CAT 5 patch cord. If you don't get the errors,
then your problem is in the cabling between the switch and the workstation.

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I would change out the cat 5 cable and also move the cable to a different
port/card on the switch.  If you are still experiencing problems then I
would replace the NIC on the server.  Just my 2 cents.

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You can also get these nice kind of hard-to-troubleshoot issues if your
cables are not wired properly; i.e. 'crossed or mismatched pairs' on some
cable-testers.
Specifically - if the pinout is such that the wrong wires are being twisted
around each other ... would normally work just fine for really short runs,
but get into 20' or longer and you get the problems listed below.

Also - just for the record - we had absolute fits  with our RS6k's as well
until hard-coding each
side at the same speed and duplex; 100/FULL. In our case .


Thanks!
TJ

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Stub area and Default Cost [7:33905]

2002-01-31 Thread Cebuano

The BSCN book mentions...
if the area stub default cost is not configured, the router
advertises 0.0.0.0 with a default cost metric of 1 plus
any internal costs.
Q: Isn't the default metric a Type 2? Or is a stub area
an exception?

R3#
int e0
ip add 192.168.14.1 255.255.255.0
int s0
ip add 192.168.15.1 255.255.255.252

router ospf 100
net 192.169.14.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
net 192.168.15.0 0.0.0.255 area 2
area 2 stub

R4#
int s0
ip add 192.168.15.2 255.255.255.252

router ospf 15
net 192.168.15.0 0.0.0.255 area 2
area 2 stub

(page 193)

Thanks for the help.

Elmer




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Re: CCIE starting pay [7:33899]

2002-01-31 Thread John Neiberger

I'd be surprised if you could find a CCIE with no work experience.  Even
if you could, they wouldn't be worth that much, IMHO.  Assuming I pass
in April, I'll have just over three years experience and a CCIE
certification.  What does that mean?

Well, it means that if I leave my current job to look for work
elsewhere, I'll be going up against CCIEs with 5-7+ years experience
plus degrees.  Someone with only three years experience still isn't
going to be the most marketable person around.

If you somehow managed to get CCIE and have no work experience at all,
I wouldn't expect a starting salary higher than a CCNA.

John

>>> "Joe Carr"  1/31/02 11:26:39 AM >>>
what would be the average starting pay for CCIE with no work
experience.




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Re: ISDN PRI to BRI [7:33882]

2002-01-31 Thread W. Alan Robertson

When you order a PRI, you don't get individual SPIDs for each channel.
You get a single phone number, and inbound connections are handled
round-robin.  Each of your satellite locations will be configured to
dial to the same point.  The first inbound call is routed to Channel
1, the second to Channel 2, etc.

Alan

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: ISDN PRI to BRI [7:33882]


> Hello All,
>
> when i order and get a ISDN PRI will i get 23/24 SPID ?? I know when
i order
> ISDN BRI i will get two SPID for the two B channels and trying to
understand
> how it would be for ISDN PRI , let's say if i want to provide ISDN
dial
> backup from abt 15 spokes ( BRI) to central site ( ISDN PRI) , i
would go
> abt and order 15 ISDN BRI for individual spokes , what would i get
in terms
> of identification if i order a ISDN PRI ?? Is it just one SPID ?
>
> Appreciate your assitance,
>
> Muthu




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Re: IOS IP [7:33889]

2002-01-31 Thread Eric Waguespack

according to the cisco ios feature navigator...
http://www.cisco.com/go/fn/

the regular ip load supports NAT

-Eric


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> Thanks,
>
> Muthu




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RE: Please confirm (conf#d22216f5b24622b2d135b956c50be7ca) [7:33909]

2002-01-31 Thread Hire, Ejay

The 2503 can run bgp if the ISP's agree.  This is the only way to properly
implemet redundancy.  Bgp (Default-only) will not significantly increase the
memory or cpu utilization of the 2503.

---Isp -bgp- 2503 - ebgp multihop - 1605  Isp---
 
The 1605 doesn't even know about bgp, It just passes traffic...
Alternately, you could
---ISP -bgp- 2503 -ibgp- 1605 -bgp- Isp--- 
and use hsrp on the 1605 and 2503 to provide access-layer redundancy as
well.  

If you want to configure this, let me know, my current company is expiring
and I need a gig.

Ejay Hire
CCNA, CCNP, CCIE Candidate
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Re: CCIE starting pay [7:33899]

2002-01-31 Thread Steven A. Ridder

I would hate to see a CCIE with no work experience, but the last guy who
announced his passing the CCIE lab in this group a few weeks ago, not only
had no experience in the real world with routers or Cisco stuff, he claimed
that he got his CCNA to CCIE in 9 months!!!

I was shocked, and unless he's lying, there's at least one out there who has
his CCIE, and never saw a router in production.  Not only that, he didn't
have to troubleshoot in his lab ( no longer a requirement), so who knows if
he ever troubleshot a router/network issue, WAN. LAN, etc,  (which is huge
part of job), who knows if he ever provisioned a network, or even knows the
product line!

I agree that I wouldn't expect a salary of over $40-50K.  I'm not sure if
I'd even hire one with no experience.


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> I'd be surprised if you could find a CCIE with no work experience.  Even
> if you could, they wouldn't be worth that much, IMHO.  Assuming I pass
> in April, I'll have just over three years experience and a CCIE
> certification.  What does that mean?
>
> Well, it means that if I leave my current job to look for work
> elsewhere, I'll be going up against CCIEs with 5-7+ years experience
> plus degrees.  Someone with only three years experience still isn't
> going to be the most marketable person around.
>
> If you somehow managed to get CCIE and have no work experience at all,
> I wouldn't expect a starting salary higher than a CCNA.
>
> John
>
> >>> "Joe Carr"  1/31/02 11:26:39 AM >>>
> what would be the average starting pay for CCIE with no work
> experience.




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Re: CCIE benefits [7:33871]

2002-01-31 Thread MADMAN

Peter van Oene wrote:
> 
> No free TAC.  However your cases are marked CCIE and usually handled by
> something other than 1st level support

  In theory

  Dave
> 
> At 11:36 AM 1/31/2002 -0500, Joe Carr wrote:
> >Does anyone know if a CCIE gets free TAC support? OR what other benefits
> does
> >a CCIE receive
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Re: IOS IP [7:33889]

2002-01-31 Thread MADMAN

Actually NAT was first supported in 11.0 but you needed the plus
version and PAT was supported in 11.0 also though quite buggy.  I think
in 12.0 much NAT functionality was available in all IOS but may need
plus version for things like static translations.  Thats off my head but
can be confirmed on CCO.

  Dave

"Steven A. Ridder" wrote:
> 
> IOS supports Nat I believe after 11.3 and PAT in 12.0.
> ""Muthuraja Ayyanar""  wrote in message
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> >
> > Does the IOS Ip supports NAT or i have to get Ent Plus IOS for NAT
support
> > ??
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Muthu
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RE: CCIE starting pay [7:33899]

2002-01-31 Thread William Gragido

LOL.

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what would be the average starting pay for CCIE with no work experience.




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CCIE starting pay [7:33912]

2002-01-31 Thread Joe Carr

haha very funny




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RE: ISDN PRI to BRI [7:33882]

2002-01-31 Thread Muthuraja Ayyanar

Thanks a lot to all ,

Muthu

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When you order a PRI, you don't get individual SPIDs for each channel.
You get a single phone number, and inbound connections are handled
round-robin.  Each of your satellite locations will be configured to
dial to the same point.  The first inbound call is routed to Channel
1, the second to Channel 2, etc.

Alan

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To: 
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Subject: ISDN PRI to BRI [7:33882]


> Hello All,
>
> when i order and get a ISDN PRI will i get 23/24 SPID ?? I know when
i order
> ISDN BRI i will get two SPID for the two B channels and trying to
understand
> how it would be for ISDN PRI , let's say if i want to provide ISDN
dial
> backup from abt 15 spokes ( BRI) to central site ( ISDN PRI) , i
would go
> abt and order 15 ISDN BRI for individual spokes , what would i get
in terms
> of identification if i order a ISDN PRI ?? Is it just one SPID ?
>
> Appreciate your assitance,
>
> Muthu




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RE: CCIE benefits [7:33871]

2002-01-31 Thread Steve Smith

What about that nice pretty plaque?

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Hell no!  Benefits, I still have a job  :)

  Dave

Joe Carr wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if a CCIE gets free TAC support? OR what other
benefits
does
> a CCIE receive
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RE: CCIE starting pay [7:33899]

2002-01-31 Thread Steve Smith

Man that's an insult. A CCIE with no experience. I guess I will go back
to building race cars.

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what would be the average starting pay for CCIE with no work experience.




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Re: Variance for Eigrp...does it actually work?? [7:33835]

2002-01-31 Thread Cisco Nuts

So based on your experience, if I set the bandwidth on one route to 45mb and 
leave the other as the default, variance of 2 will work, right? I'll try 
that and let you know.
Thanks!


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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Variance for Eigrp...does it actually work?? [7:33835]
>Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:14:46 -0500
>
>I'm not going to attempt to explain the mathmatics but the last time I
>needed to use variance, get EIGRP to loadshare over a T1 and T3 a
>variance of 2 worked perfectly.
>
>   Dave
>
>John Neiberger wrote:
> >
> > I don't really have an answer, this is more of a "me too" email.  I've
> > only bothered with variance once in a practice lab and I was not able to
> > make it work even after setting the variance to a ridiculously high
> > number.  No matter what I did, I was not able to get both EIGRP routes
> > into the routing table.
> >
> > At some point I need to go back and figure out why it wasn't working
> > but I've been avoiding it.
> >
> > John
> >
> > >>> "Cisco Nuts"  1/31/02 12:05:03 AM >>>
> > Hello,I am testing out the variance command under eigrp and it does
> > not
> > seem to be working the way it is explained in the CCNP routing guide
> > by
> > CiscoPress. Any ideas ? Sorry, Long post but need help.I have RTA
> > connected to RTB and RTC via FR physical intf. running eigrp 1RTB and
> > RTC
> > are connected to BBR via serials also running eigrp 1BBR is connected
> > to
> > TS via serial running eigrp 1 and igrp 1TS is connected to REMOTE
> > running
> > rip.RTA to RTB to BBR have bandwidth = 64 configed.RTA to RTC to BBR
> > have
> > the default bw = 1.544On RTA, the route to Rip netw. 12. and 13. on
> > Remote show up via the RTC to BBR to TS to Remote routewhich is
> > correct.D EX 12.0.0.0/8 [170/3245056] via 192.168.10.243, 00:12:37,
> > Serial0
> > D EX 13.0.0.0/8 [170/3245056] via 192.168.10.243, 00:13:42, Serial0
> > The
> > metric via RTB to BBR to TS to Remote is 41538560 as inD EX 12.0.0.0/8
> > [170/41538560] via 192.168.10.242, 00:00:17, Serial0
> > D EX 13.0.0.0/8 [170/41538560] via 192.168.10.242, 00:00:17, Serial0
> > After
> > doing the math,( multiplied 3245056 x 13 to get 42185728 which is
> > greater
> > than 41538560), I configed a variance of 13 on RTA and expected to see
> > 2
> > routes to networks 12. and 13. but only 1 route shows up, that thru
> > RTC.Is
> > there a reason why?Thank you. :
> >
> > 
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RE: Boson Tests didnt help for BCRAN [7:33879]

2002-01-31 Thread Brian Zeitz

I am in the same boat as you were, but with the BCSN test. My suggestion
is that where it is fine to use testing software, but make sure you
understand why the answer is right, and not just what the answer is.
Since I missed the BCSN test by 1 or 2 questions, I may being doing
overkill with my studying. But studying too much is not a bad thing,
because it will help in the long run. Really knowing the subject will
help you if the person writing the test tries to "bait" you to selecting
an answer because you recognized it from some commonly used software. I
think they are being more creative with the questions since the price
increase of the exams. It is not the cookie cutter questions anymore. I
have my CCNA now, and no one has every stopped me from working on a
router or firewall asking me for my CCNP papers. I think the program is
a great guideline, but having experience is more important. I am making
slow progress with the CCNP, because I am studying for other cisco exams
as well that don't fit in that category. My suggestion to you for the
BCRAN exam is to read a few different books, maybe 3. That's what im
doing right now to make sure I know all the material. I might read the
concept in 1 book, and think I understand it, then read it in another
book, and they emphasize on something else. This is really helping me
understand concepts from more then 1 point of view. Even if the book has
errors, you will notice that your other books said something different.
The networks I work on are not worldwide, so I don't have everyday
exposure to BGP, and hooking up to several ISPs etc, so I have to make
sure what I am reading is correct. In my humble opinion, some of the
questions on boson test are a bit obscure. Just concentrate on what is
on the Cisco outline, and try not to deviate too far from that. Being
that you almost passed, I think with a bit more reading, or maybe
reading a book from another point of view, that you will definitely pass
next time. I am sure there were some things you saw on the exam, or the
format of the exam, that you can use to study certain areas. 


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I recently took the BCRAN Test and used Boson Tests 1 and 2 to help me
prepare along with the Cisco Book. I didnt pass, I missed by one
question. I
was taken aback; the Boson tests didnt really prepare me for the Exam.
Does
anyone have any suggestions for the BCRAN Exam preparation process.




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RE: IOS IP [7:33889]

2002-01-31 Thread Muthuraja Ayyanar

Thank you al,

Muthu

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according to the cisco ios feature navigator...
http://www.cisco.com/go/fn/

the regular ip load supports NAT

-Eric


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>
> Does the IOS Ip supports NAT or i have to get Ent Plus IOS for NAT support
> ??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Muthu




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Cisco web product catalog [7:33926]

2002-01-31 Thread Muthuraja Ayyanar

Hi All ,

In the Cisco web site product catalog there are two identical entry for each
and every part # / description, namely the first one without = sign and the
second one with = sign.What exactly id the differnence between those two ??

For instance for 3620 IOS IP has the following two entries ??

Cisco 3620 Series IOS IP S362C-12104 
Cisco 3620 Series IOS IP S362C-12104=
Thanks,
Muthu




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Re: CCIE starting pay [7:33899]

2002-01-31 Thread Scott M. Trieste

Am I not the only one that is insulted by this question??

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rommon ? flash upgrade [7:33928]

2002-01-31 Thread NetEng

I just bought 16MB Flash for a 2600 router and I install it and power the
router on, but it never boots. I tried it in another router and get the same
thing. Do I need to upgrade the Boot ROM or bootstrap?

ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 11.3(2)XA4, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)

Thanks.




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Re: VIP2 ATM issue [7:33898]

2002-01-31 Thread MADMAN

What version of IOS are you running.  Some require the vip feature,
i.e. enterprise/wVIP

  Dave

Joe Carr wrote:
> 
> I have a cat5000 with sup III and RSM w/VIP2 card. in the VIP card I have a
> songle port OC3 multimode fiber card installed.
> When I session into the RSM I cannot access the atm interface and it does
not
> show up  in a show int or a show run. I can see the VIP2 on the sup III as
an
> expansion module. Can you help me?
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe
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RE: CCIE starting pay [7:33899]

2002-01-31 Thread Wright, Jeremy

I would offer them a CCIE engraved toilet bowl because they would be full
of...i wont finish that sentence Paul :) just joking 

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Man that's an insult. A CCIE with no experience. I guess I will go back
to building race cars.

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what would be the average starting pay for CCIE with no work experience.




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CCIE benefits [7:33871]

2002-01-31 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

No, but they get privileged access to TAC with a valid support agreement.

See (watch for wordwrap):

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/faqs.html

Hth,

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Does anyone know if a CCIE gets free TAC support? OR what other benefits
does
a CCIE receive




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Re: CCIE starting pay [7:33899]

2002-01-31 Thread MADMAN

Is there such a thing? The only reason I was able to pass the test was
lots of work experience.

  Dave

Joe Carr wrote:
> 
> what would be the average starting pay for CCIE with no work experience.
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PIX question [7:33933]

2002-01-31 Thread Ali, Abbas

The recommended design for PIX to have your Webserver in a private network
segment hanging off at the dmz port, and then statically map private IP
address to public IP address.

In this design before customer decided to have PIX for security they were
running their webserver with atleast 25 virtual IP addresses (All Public)
spanning two different network segments.  Obviously PIX could only respond
to an IP address assigned to the PIX's dmz port from one of the two network
segments.  Customer decided to add one more NIC card into a webserver and
then attach it to another dmz port for the second network segment.  I
believe, I will have to disable NAT into a PIX because webserver will still
be using public IP addresses, and there will be no natting.  The other
approach I could take to use static mapping and conduit with the same IP
address. 

For example, If one of the web addresses is mapped to public IP address
63.83.198.21, I could statically map to the same address.

static (dmz, outside) 63.83.198.21 63.83.198.21 255.255.255.255
conduit permit tcp host 63.83.198.21 eq www any.

Will both approach work?  Which one will be better because I am talking
about atleast 25 addresses.

Another question,  Customer purchased one more public block with 6 IP
addresses for their media server. 208.21.233.48/29.  The want to use 2 out
of 6 IP addresses for the media server which will be  on another dmz port,
and again they will actually assign public ip addresses to the boxes itself,
so again there will be no natting, or I could use the same technique which I
mentioned above which is statically map with the same IP addresses.  The
question is that the  customer wants to use the last 4 addresses for the
internal users to browse the network.  So, I will have to create a global
pool and PAT (if necessary).  Will PIX be able to differentiate among 6
addresses 2 coming out from dmz and the rest of them will be used for the
users coming out from the internal network.  

Logically, it will work, but I need input from the forum experts.

Regards,

AA




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Re: CCIE benefits [7:33871]

2002-01-31 Thread MADMAN

Oh ya I do have a pretty medallion, how could I forget;)

  dave

Steve Smith wrote:
> 
> What about that nice pretty plaque?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> Hell no!  Benefits, I still have a job  :)
> 
>   Dave
> 
> Joe Carr wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know if a CCIE gets free TAC support? OR what other
> benefits
> does
> > a CCIE receive
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Re: Variance for Eigrp...does it actually work?? [7:33835]

2002-01-31 Thread MADMAN

hmm, I'll be interested to see what happens.  In case your wondering
why in the world, it was a channelized T3 so the link was really another
parallel T1 but to EIGRP the interface was 45M.

  Dave

Cisco Nuts wrote:
> 
> So based on your experience, if I set the bandwidth on one route to 45mb
and
> leave the other as the default, variance of 2 will work, right? I'll try
> that and let you know.
> Thanks!
> 
> >From: "MADMAN" 
> >Reply-To: "MADMAN" 
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Variance for Eigrp...does it actually work?? [7:33835]
> >Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:14:46 -0500
> >
> >I'm not going to attempt to explain the mathmatics but the last time I
> >needed to use variance, get EIGRP to loadshare over a T1 and T3 a
> >variance of 2 worked perfectly.
> >
> >   Dave
> >
> >John Neiberger wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't really have an answer, this is more of a "me too" email.  I've
> > > only bothered with variance once in a practice lab and I was not able
to
> > > make it work even after setting the variance to a ridiculously high
> > > number.  No matter what I did, I was not able to get both EIGRP routes
> > > into the routing table.
> > >
> > > At some point I need to go back and figure out why it wasn't working
> > > but I've been avoiding it.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > >>> "Cisco Nuts"  1/31/02 12:05:03 AM >>>
> > > Hello,I am testing out the variance command under eigrp and it does
> > > not
> > > seem to be working the way it is explained in the CCNP routing guide
> > > by
> > > CiscoPress. Any ideas ? Sorry, Long post but need help.I have RTA
> > > connected to RTB and RTC via FR physical intf. running eigrp 1RTB and
> > > RTC
> > > are connected to BBR via serials also running eigrp 1BBR is connected
> > > to
> > > TS via serial running eigrp 1 and igrp 1TS is connected to REMOTE
> > > running
> > > rip.RTA to RTB to BBR have bandwidth = 64 configed.RTA to RTC to BBR
> > > have
> > > the default bw = 1.544On RTA, the route to Rip netw. 12. and 13. on
> > > Remote show up via the RTC to BBR to TS to Remote routewhich is
> > > correct.D EX 12.0.0.0/8 [170/3245056] via 192.168.10.243, 00:12:37,
> > > Serial0
> > > D EX 13.0.0.0/8 [170/3245056] via 192.168.10.243, 00:13:42, Serial0
> > > The
> > > metric via RTB to BBR to TS to Remote is 41538560 as inD EX 12.0.0.0/8
> > > [170/41538560] via 192.168.10.242, 00:00:17, Serial0
> > > D EX 13.0.0.0/8 [170/41538560] via 192.168.10.242, 00:00:17, Serial0
> > > After
> > > doing the math,( multiplied 3245056 x 13 to get 42185728 which is
> > > greater
> > > than 41538560), I configed a variance of 13 on RTA and expected to see
> > > 2
> > > routes to networks 12. and 13. but only 1 route shows up, that thru
> > > RTC.Is
> > > there a reason why?Thank you. :
> > >
> > >

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CCNP Labs [7:33940]

2002-01-31 Thread NetEng

I'm looking for CCNP labs that will help me pass the tests and get some
experience. I dont care if its PDF's or a book or whatever. I have a couple
CCIE lab books because that is all I can find, but they're not that good or
require a lot of routers. Does anyone know where I can get some labs that
start with basic technologies (ie RIP) and then build on top of that and
then on to harder and harder labs? I have six routers so my lab is decent,
but finding quality labs is pretty difficult. I've started writing my own,
but I'm getting tired of that and theres also a good chance I'm missing
stuff that I should be learning. Any ideas/suggestions are appreciated.




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RE: CCIE starting pay [7:33899]

2002-01-31 Thread Wes Updike

I would say $50-60K.  I am currently studying for the CCIE written and I
have no "on the job" experience.  The only experience I have is in the
classroom, but I passed my tests on the first try.  I would expect someone
to hire a CCIE with no experience, but at a reduced salary compared to
others with experience.

  WES


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RE: CCNP Labs [7:33940]

2002-01-31 Thread s vermill

Have you tried reading the BSCN book cover to cover and doing each lab at
the end of the chapters?  I found them to be useful as a starting point. 
You will invariably think of things you want to do on your own as you go
through the motions.  Break things - physically and logically - and capture
that debug.


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Re: CCIE starting pay [7:33899]

2002-01-31 Thread Guy

A CCIE With no work experience

I think most employers would shy away from that! A CCNP, or CCNA possible,
but CCIE... Im not sure. That would be like a Brain surgeon with no work
experience... WHat would you pay him to operate on your brain

Makes you think eh??? I think your best bet is to get a job as a CCNP or
CCNA, get a year or two experience (Minimum) then worry about CCIE. Maybe
work some other certs in there too, like Unix or maybe Microsoft or
something to round you out a bit more and make some opportunities in the
market for yourself... Or firewalls, and or something like tripwire etc...

My point is, If you have a CCNA, CCNP, CCIE, and 50 other certifications
behind your name, and no work experience, poeple are going to know you are a
good test taker, but you will still be starting off at the bottom. With a
salary range of maybe 30-50k But that CCIE is not going to make it 100k no
matter what your cousins brother or whatever told you. All the
certifications are for is to take someone who has the experience, and
skills, and gives them something they can use as proof of their expertise.

It is not for an entry level person to get so they can get a higher start
pay... All that does is cheapen the cert.

Look at the MCSE. Back when I took my MCSE, that cert gave me credibility. I
walked out of every interview with an offer. I could make my own choices. I
took my MCSE after several years of workwith Net systems including Novell,
IBM OS/2, and Microsoft. It was more of a proof of my skill set. Not a proof
I can read Brain Dumps, and hope I will do ok if someone gives me the
chance...

Now days you mention MCSE, and what goes through your mind??? Thats right
Worthless.

Now why is that?

Its because people with no skills heard of someone who became an MCSE, and
started making 70k or whatever... Then that person decided, Hey, I can
do that And found Transcenders etc... Became an M CSE, but cant even
copy files to a floppy 

This happened on a large scale, and soon employers were hiring worthless
MCSEs, and were getting frustrated...

Now, in the IT industry, it has become a low level Cert... TO me that ticks
me off. Ive been an MCSE since 96, and mine is prrof of the pudding not
a piece of paper...

Now, Cisco is becoming the same way. Look at how many people are becoming
CCNP...CCNA...etc... How many of those people could configure a medium level
network lab without the directions

How many could trouble shoot their way out of a paper bag

If people dont try to really learn the systems, all certifications will be
no better than a 3rd grade diploma!

sorry for my soap box, just really feel people take these things the wrong
way If people dont wake up, then all of this is for nothing...

I would not be happy spending a couple thousand dollars to get a 3rd grade
diploma



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Subject: CCIE starting pay [7:33899]


> what would be the average starting pay for CCIE with no work experience.




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Re: BCRAN Exam Preparation [7:33878]

2002-01-31 Thread FREDL L AZARES

I  used CCXXPRODUCTIONS and managed 85%. But you have to at least study
for two-three weeks. I prepared though for the whole winter semester at
the Cisco Network
Academy.

On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:10:29 -0500 "rtc9"  writes:
> I recently took the BCRAN Test and used Boson Tests 1 and 2 to help 
> me
> prepare along with the Cisco Book. I didnt pass, I missed by one 
> question. I
> was taken aback; the Boson tests didnt really prepare me for the 
> Exam. Does
> anyone have any suggestions for the BCRAN Exam preparation process.
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