Strange behaviour for 2600 tftpdnld - anyone else has similar [7:54856]

2002-10-04 Thread Andrew Larkins

Hi all, 

I was upgrading some 2600's yesterday with new flash and DRAM.
The router boots up into rommon mode correctly. All the TFTP variables are
then set and the code uploaded. Problem is that when the code is finished I
get an error about invalid checksum. Downloaded some new code and same
results.
Eventually, through sheer frustration I tried IOS 11.3 IP only. This worked.
I then reloaded the router for the new code to take effect. I was now able
to upload the IOS 12.2.12 that I was originally trying. Worked perfectly.
Routers are 100% stable.

Anyone else have problems like this??

Andrew Larkins
BCom, CCNP, CCDP
Bytes Technology Networks
A Division of the Bytes Technology Group
A Member of the Altron Group
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Re: How to dial in power up home lab?? [7:54768]

2002-10-04 Thread

Gaz wrote:
 

 I use Windows XP remote desktop to a home PC and connect to everything
 else from there. Bit of a strange set-up, but I use Internet Connection
 sharing on the XP box and all the routers sit behind that.
  I suppose the security may not be wonderful?? 

No it isnt unless you have put some work into the security of this 
machine. 

 but to be honest I don't
 care. The XP machine can be re-built in minutes (ish).
 
It can once you realised it has been cracked.  How 
quickly do you think you can spot that it has happened?
Are you also volunteering your time and money to fix any 
systems that are attacked from your machine?


Peter Walker

PS. Sorry if I seem a bit harsh, but the fact is that in 
my experience most 'attacks' that I have experienced originate 
from poorly secured machines that people have foolishly placed 
on the net.




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CCNA,CCNP CCIE stuff for trade [7:54858]

2002-10-04 Thread banerjee sandip

Hello everybody,

I have the Sybex CCNA Virtual Lab e-trainer,CCNA Ebook,CCNP,CCIE,CCDA,cisco
press EBook, Cisco Etrainer PPT,lots more.It retails but
I am very flexible and willing to trade if you need any of those items. Good
luck to everyone.

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CCNA,CCNP,CCIE stuffs for sale [7:54859]

2002-10-04 Thread banerjee sandip

Hello everybody, 

I have the Sybex CCNA Virtual Lab e-trainer,CCNA Ebook,CCNP,CCIE,CCDA,cisco
press EBook, Cisco Etrainer PPTs,lots more.It retails but
I am very flexible and willing to trade if you need any of those items. Good
luck to everyone.Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Fluke one touch Network assistant and RCS SafeNet software [7:54860]

2002-10-04 Thread Sim, CT (Chee Tong)

Hi...

 

Recently we found that LAN is getting slower and I used Fluke One Touch
Network Assistant to check the health of network.  And it gave me the
following.

 

Utilization 1%

Error  0 %

Collision 0%

Broadcast 80 %

IP 48%

Station 250 %

 

Do you think the fluke output indicate that our network got problem?  The
broadcast portion is quite high and I tried to find out which pc contribute
to the broadcast, it gave me 

 

PC-A 6%

PC-B 6

PC-C 6%

PC-D 6%

PC-E 6%

PC-F 6%

PC-G 6%

PC-H 6%

PC-I 6%

 

All the PC that listed are installed with RCS software, when we uninstalled
RCS from the PC, the PC's broadcast will be gone.  Why RCS caused the
broadcast, I am not sure whether it is the cause of our network slowness or
not.  Any idea?  

 

Thanks in advanced

 

Sim

 

 

 


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Re: BVI at OC3 speed [7:54828]

2002-10-04 Thread ORiordan Brian

Hi Dave,

Just a brief comment to make on implementing BVI on Cisco Routers. From what
I have experienced in the past, BVI does indeed actually eat up quite a lot
of Router CPU.

One thing that I would really suggest is to look into using RBE instead of
BVI. This will definetely result in less CPU processing, and make a solution
potentially more scalable.
That is if this fits into your architecture.

Just a thought.

Regards,

Brian.


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Re: Strange behaviour for 2600 tftpdnld - anyone else has [7:54862]

2002-10-04 Thread Andrew Cook

What tftp server are you using?  I have run into the same problem, but only
when I was using an older tftp daemon on a SunOS box.  Try running a tftp
server on your machine and directly connecting to the router with a
crossover and see if there is any change.

Andrew Cook

Andrew Larkins  wrote in message
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 Hi all,

 I was upgrading some 2600's yesterday with new flash and DRAM.
 The router boots up into rommon mode correctly. All the TFTP variables are
 then set and the code uploaded. Problem is that when the code is finished
I
 get an error about invalid checksum. Downloaded some new code and same
 results.
 Eventually, through sheer frustration I tried IOS 11.3 IP only. This
worked.
 I then reloaded the router for the new code to take effect. I was now able
 to upload the IOS 12.2.12 that I was originally trying. Worked perfectly.
 Routers are 100% stable.

 Anyone else have problems like this??

 Andrew Larkins
 BCom, CCNP, CCDP
 Bytes Technology Networks
 A Division of the Bytes Technology Group
 A Member of the Altron Group
 www.btgroup.co.za
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RE: Three 24 Gbps Switching Engines at 18 Mpps (Layer2)!?! [7:54863]

2002-10-04 Thread Jarvis Steven C A1C 18 CS/SCBT

i think they're two different processes. the PPS is the direct amount of
calculations it can do and the GBPS would be the bandwidth. so if you had
18Mpps and 24GBPS, and you tried to switch 18M packets all of MTU (1500)
it would be 1800 * 1500 = 270 or 27GBPS so you exceed the
bandwidth that the sup card could handle, so with the higher bandwidth the
SUP can handle the same amount of packets but of larger sizes.
this is how i see it and i hope it's correct. if not please let me know.
steve

-Original Message-
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10/4/02 7:17 AM
Subject: Three 24 Gbps Switching Engines at 18 Mpps (Layer2)!?! [7:54833]

What does this mean. I was looking at table 21-112. The difference
between
supervisor engine I and supervisor engine II is that the I has 24 Gbps
switching engine and the
II has three 24 Gbps. Yet the pps remains the same(18Mpps). Is there a
direct correlation between the switching fabric and the switching
throughput. If there is reading online that would be great.
Here is the link I was referring to. 

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/ca4000.htm

Ryan Newell




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RE: Period to take ccnp tests [7:54848]

2002-10-04 Thread Beaver, Mark T.

I had that question same question when I was working on my CCNP.  Per Cisco,
I was allowed to mix the 50x and 60x exams.  I would think the situation
would be the same for future test upgrades.

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From: Leonardo Rocha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 10:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Period to take ccnp tests [7:54848]


Guys, if one take a ccnp exam today, is there a time limit to take the other
3 exams or else the exam gets invalid?
 
Can someone help me?
 
 
tks a lot,
 
leo




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CiscoWorks2000 and snmp problems [7:54865]

2002-10-04 Thread bi.s

hi,

i am interested if there is someone using cw2k and has c7200 vxr with 
npe-400.
do you have problems with snmp on the routers? on other routers?
it looks like there is a problem with snmp causing high cpu on routers 
and bringing the network down.

has someone this problems? how did you solve them?
ios upgrading doesnt help and the cisco case was closed without a fix.

is  snmp-server view cutdown an option 
(http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/477/SNMP/ipsnmphighcpu.shtml).

any experiences with that?

thanks
-bis




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Extended Vlan across Wan [7:54866]

2002-10-04 Thread gladston vidali

Hi Guys,

Could you give me your opinion about the following ?

What is the best technology nowadays to extend Vlans across a ATM Wan
backbone ?


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Re: NAT [7:54838]

2002-10-04 Thread MADMAN

Well if you must you can try NAT on a stick:

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/556/nat-on-stick.html

  Had a customer that wanted to do this last week.  Tried it in the lab
but couldn't get it to work though I was sure the config was correct. 
After talking with a few Cisco engineers we found out you had to disable
multicast globally and then it worked.  Of coarse I couldn't find that
documented anywhere:(

  If I were you though when on the inside set your IP address
appropriately!!!

  dave

Joe Middleton wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 I am trying to set up NAT on a cisco 2600 router.  Everything seems to be
 working except that I can not access resources on the inside using there
 public IP address from the inside.  From the internet the router translates
 the public addresses to private addresses, but from the inside I have to
use
 the private address to access any resource.  How can I get the router to
 translate requests that originate from the inside?  Any help would be
 greatly appreciated.
 
 Thanks.
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Re: CiscoWorks2000 and snmp problems [7:54865]

2002-10-04 Thread MADMAN

Yes that URL is exactly what I sent to a customer many months ago when
they had the same problem.  SNMP would request the whole routing table,
they are receiving the whole Internet routing table, which caused their
7200 CPU utilization to max out.  There should be no reason the grab
this table via SNMP so cutdown will help you if this is similiar to your
scenerio.

  Dave

bi.s wrote:
 
 hi,
 
 i am interested if there is someone using cw2k and has c7200 vxr with
 npe-400.
 do you have problems with snmp on the routers? on other routers?
 it looks like there is a problem with snmp causing high cpu on routers
 and bringing the network down.
 
 has someone this problems? how did you solve them?
 ios upgrading doesnt help and the cisco case was closed without a fix.
 
 is  snmp-server view cutdown an option
 (http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/477/SNMP/ipsnmphighcpu.shtml).
 
 any experiences with that?
 
 thanks
 -bis
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612-664-3367

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Re: CiscoWorks2000 and snmp problems [7:54865]

2002-10-04 Thread Tunde Kalejaiye

I had the same problem before...it had to do with ATA flash disk and
ciscoFlashMIB

check here for the work around.
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/477/SNMP/ipsnmphighcpu.shtml


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From: bi.s 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:25 PM
Subject: CiscoWorks2000 and snmp problems [7:54865]


 hi,

 i am interested if there is someone using cw2k and has c7200 vxr with
 npe-400.
 do you have problems with snmp on the routers? on other routers?
 it looks like there is a problem with snmp causing high cpu on routers
 and bringing the network down.

 has someone this problems? how did you solve them?
 ios upgrading doesnt help and the cisco case was closed without a fix.

 is  snmp-server view cutdown an option
 (http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/477/SNMP/ipsnmphighcpu.shtml).

 any experiences with that?

 thanks
 -bis




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RE: CiscoWorks2000 and snmp problems [7:54865]

2002-10-04 Thread Ersin Abacioglu

I had a similar problem but with our cat 5500's.  The CPU would spike to 95%
utilization every couple of minutes.  Before I get into what we did, try
going under Resource Manager Essentials = Administration = Change Polling
options = choose the 7000 series routers and try to manipulate some of the
polling options.  

If this doesn't work.  See if this is caused by Device Fault Manager.  Go to
Server Configuration = Administration = Stop Process = shutdown DFM
Server and DFM Broker and see if that resolved anything.  

If all else fails, reopen the case with Cisco.  Hopefully you will get a
more experienced tech this time.  

Ersin

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From:   bi.s [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Friday, October 04, 2002 9:25 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:CiscoWorks2000 and snmp problems [7:54865]

hi,

i am interested if there is someone using cw2k and has c7200 vxr with 
npe-400.
do you have problems with snmp on the routers? on other routers?
it looks like there is a problem with snmp causing high cpu on routers 
and bringing the network down.

has someone this problems? how did you solve them?
ios upgrading doesnt help and the cisco case was closed without a fix.

is  snmp-server view cutdown an option 
(http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/477/SNMP/ipsnmphighcpu.shtml).

any experiences with that?

thanks
-bis




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Re: Strange behaviour for 2600 tftpdnld - anyone else has [7:54871]

2002-10-04 Thread Chuck's Long Road

I encountered something similar with IOS 12.1.10 enterprise on the 2500
series. I reported it to Cisco and posted something on the list here a month
or two back.

There is a bug in some of the 12.1 codes.


Andrew Larkins  wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 Hi all,

 I was upgrading some 2600's yesterday with new flash and DRAM.
 The router boots up into rommon mode correctly. All the TFTP variables are
 then set and the code uploaded. Problem is that when the code is finished
I
 get an error about invalid checksum. Downloaded some new code and same
 results.
 Eventually, through sheer frustration I tried IOS 11.3 IP only. This
worked.
 I then reloaded the router for the new code to take effect. I was now able
 to upload the IOS 12.2.12 that I was originally trying. Worked perfectly.
 Routers are 100% stable.

 Anyone else have problems like this??

 Andrew Larkins
 BCom, CCNP, CCDP
 Bytes Technology Networks
 A Division of the Bytes Technology Group
 A Member of the Altron Group
 www.btgroup.co.za
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Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-10-04 Thread Peter van Oene

At 03:07 PM 9/30/2002 +, Russell Heilling wrote:
  Say, for example, that a customer has a small block of IP's and a
  distribution router knows where that block is, via a connected route,
like
a
  /30 on a serial link.  But later down the line the customer requests an
  additional block of 64 IP addresses, what is the best way to send this
block
  to the customer?  Do I need to run OSPF on the customer equipment?  If
the
  customer router is not running OSPF, how do the routers know how to get
to
  this destination?  I assume via static routing???

Easiest way to do this without running OSPF on the CPE is to put a static
route on the router at your end of the link, and redistribute the static
route into OSPF.

I like this, but put the static in BGP with some neato communities on it.


How are you getting the /30 into OSPF at the moment?  If you are using a
network statement make sure that you have set the customer interface as
passive - the last thing you want is a customer tinkering with the router
and injecting bad routes into your network.  Alternatively you could
redistribute connected routes into OSPF, removing the need for the network
statement.

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RE: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-10-04 Thread Peter van Oene

At 04:05 PM 9/30/2002 +, Chris Headings wrote:
Great...

So it looks like I would then use the redistribute static subnets as well
as the redistribute connected subnets command within the OSPF process to
make sure ALL ospf enabled routers would know how to reach that specifc,
statically routed/connected, destination?

This would work, but if you are really designing an ISP, don't clutter up 
your IGP topology with a bunch of type 5's that are challenging to 
effectively constrain.  Put these customer prefixes in BGP and put together 
a nice community based routing policy to control your BGP prefixes.


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RE: unusual BGP question. [7:54429]

2002-10-04 Thread Radoslav Vasilev

you're right MED is used for outgoing routing decisions, but...

1.as a optional nontransit path-atribute, it's only important for the
neighboring AS. as such, it determines the neighboring AS outgoing
decisions, not our own AS ones.
e.g if you change MEDs in our routing updates, it causes change only in your
neighbors.

2.what the previous posting meant, is modifying the MEDs in the updates, we
are getting /at R3? from R1 and R2. As doing that, you can force your
outgoing policy, without modifying/as in the original posting terms/ as-path
/prepending/ or local-pref  change.


-rado


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PIX Confusion [7:54875]

2002-10-04 Thread NetEng

I have a PIX 501 and get a single IP from my ISP. I would like to set up an
FTP conduit, but on port 5051. I can't find any docs on how to do this. When
I play around it it states that I have to change my NAT rules too. I still
want all inside users access outside. Any info or links are appreciated.

NetEng




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Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-10-04 Thread Peter van Oene

At 06:04 PM 9/30/2002 +, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
I have an even more fundamental question. ;-) Why does MPLS need a routing
protocol at all? Obviously, the forwarding of traffic doesn't use it.
Forwarding is based on the labels. Is it for the label distribution
component? Couldn't that be done with manual configuration?

Static label assignment is tremendously onerous. Keep in mind that without 
a control plane that has some topological awareness, you'd need to 
configure label in/out relationships on every transit router in your 
network, per LSP.  Try that with 5000 LSPs :)  I'd rather do 5-10 in a low 
security prison myself.

Pete




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  Chuck's Long Road  wrote
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   hey, friends, I'm always interested in learning something I
  didn't know
   before. not claiming to know a whole lot about MPLS, but in
  terms of
   operation, MPLS operates on top of a routing protocol, any
  routing
  protocol,
   correct? Requires that CEF is enabled, at least in the Cisco
  world, but
  any
   old routing protocol is fair game as the transport piece,
  correct?
  
   So to me, the question would become one of the relative
  merits of any
   routing protocol, without the MPLS issue clouding it. I would
  think, but
   what do I know?
 
 
  I got an even more fundamental question - why does MPLS require
  IP at all?
  At the risk of starting a religious way, it's not called
  Internet Protocol
  Label Switching, it's Multi-protocol label switching.  MPLS has
  effectively
  become a feature of IP, as opposed to a generalized
  control-plane mechanism
  for which is what it was originally intended.
 
 
 
  
   I suppose there are always the issue of interoperability.
  
   I would certainly appreciate the wisdom of the folks on this
  group.
  
   Chuck
  
  
  
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  links will be
greatly appreciated .
   
   
Thanks as always
   
   
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Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-10-04 Thread Peter van Oene

At 07:12 PM 9/30/2002 +, MADMAN wrote:
Interesting.  I don't work for an ISP bt have worked with many and I
have only ran into one that ran an IGP with it's customers and I was
suprised.  My ancedotal evidence suggests that the vast majority either
run BGP or statics to announce customer networks.  I know there are
plenty of ISP engineers out there and can confirm/rip my conjecture ;)

  Dave

Best practises would dictate the use of static or a distance vector variant 
IGP for customer connections.  The lack of import filtering capability in 
Link State protocols presents a very dangerous situation for the ISP.  In 
general, ISP's are very paranoid about customers (and peers/providers 
alike) and take all means necessary to protect themselves from misbehaving 
external peers (IP peers in this general case)  BGP naturally provides the 
most policy rich tool set for those applications where static routing will 
not suffice.  I find RIP to be a comfortable variant for those multihomed 
customers who simply will not turn up BGP, though I'd still prefer to have 
the BGP discussion one last time with them prior to doing using it.

Of course, linking one's main IGP to a customers is a really silly idea 
which I think everyone grasps ;)



Mike Bernico wrote:
 
  I'm not sure I'm in complete agreement.  The network I work for has
several
  distribution routers that contain around 1000 T1 speed customers.  If we
  were to static route each of their networks it would add about 1000 to
1500
  lines of router configuration to the router.  That would definately add
to
  our maintenance and provisioning work and make troubleshooting harder on
our
  techs.   While I agree statics are probably the most stable way, I'm not
  sure it's necessarily the best way to aggrigate high volumes of
customers.
  We currently use EIGRP at the edge with the stub command, OSPF or IS-IS
  would work just as well.  Regardless, we would never let our IGP, that
  extends to the CE router, touch their IGP.  About 98% of our customers
are
  not BGP customers though.
 
  YMMV
  Mike
 
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   -Original Message-
   From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:37 AM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]
  
  
   At 2:58 PM + 9/30/02, Don wrote:
   Rather than run OSPF to customers, it is generally much
   better to have
   them use a default route to the ISP and for the ISP to run
   static routes to
   the customer.  OSPF to the customer is a huge land mine for
   the ISP and
   should be avoided in almost every case.
Don
  
   I agree completely with Don that an ISP _never_ should link its IGP
   to that of the customer.  Don't fall into the trap of assuming that
   BGP needs a full routing table or will consume excessive resources.
  
   I remain confused why a default route wouldn't serve, unless there
   are multiple connections between the ISP and customer. By send the
   block to the customer, do you mean the block is in the customer's
   space?  You could certainly use a second static route, which can be
   generated automatically as part of your address assignment (see my
   NANOG presentation,
   http://www.nanog.org/mtg-9811/ppt/berk/index.htm).
  
   If that's not appropriate, have the customer announce his two blocks
   to you with BGP and receive default from your BGP.
  
   
   
   Chris Headings  wrote in message
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 Good morning all.  I was wondering if someone could lend
   me a little help
 about engineering OSPF in the backbone for an ISP
   network.  I just had a
 couple of questions and hopefully someone can give me
   some guidance.or
   even
 some CCO links with some specific examples or better yet
   any material
 anywhere.
   
 Say, for example, that a customer has a small block of IP's and a
 distribution router knows where that block is, via a
   connected route,
   like
   a
 /30 on a serial link.  But later down the line the
   customer requests an
 additional block of 64 IP addresses, what is the best way
   to send this
   block
 to the customer?  Do I need to run OSPF on the customer
   equipment?  If
   the
 customer router is not running OSPF, how do the routers
   know how to get
   to
 this destination?  I assume via static routing???
   
 Thanks as always.
   
  Chris
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RE: VPN Issue [7:54702]

2002-10-04 Thread Arni V. Skarphedinsson

It would be great if anyone could give me some insights into if it´s posible
to use the 2610 or a PIX to do what I was talking about


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Routing based on port number [7:54879]

2002-10-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Greetings all,

What features on the IOS can I use to route based on the port number.
NBAR is one of the services that comes to mind, are there any other
services that allow me to accomplish that?


Thanks...Nabil

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Switch MAC filter [7:54880]

2002-10-04 Thread r34rv13wm1rr0r

Is there a way on a 6509 to filter a port from seeing a traffic from a cetain
MAC when the two hosts are on the same VLAN.  The problem is one host keeps
broadcasting NTP updates every 40 secs and the Pix SYSLOG is contantly
logging
it.  Since the NTP host does not go through the firewall I was wondering if I
could block the MAC address all together at the port the Pix is plugged into.

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RE: Extended Vlan across Wan [7:54866]

2002-10-04 Thread R. Benjamin Kessler

I'm surprised Howard hasn't chimed in yet, this is definitely a what
problem are you trying to solve sort of case...

More details please.  Personally, I don't believe VLANs should extend
outside a building (even with Dark Fibre); but perhaps you have
requirements that would justify this...

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Hi Guys,

Could you give me your opinion about the following ?

What is the best technology nowadays to extend Vlans across a ATM Wan
backbone ?


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Re: Routing based on port number [7:54879]

2002-10-04 Thread Chuck's Long Road

policy routing come to mind.

use an extended access-list to identify traffic by tcp port, set up your
route map so that identified traffic is sent either to an interface or an ip
next-hop, then set up the policy inbound on the interface where the traffic
originates.

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 Greetings all,

 What features on the IOS can I use to route based on the port number.
 NBAR is one of the services that comes to mind, are there any other
 services that allow me to accomplish that?


 Thanks...Nabil

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Re: InterVLAN routing [7:54583]

2002-10-04 Thread Peter van Oene

If all of your networks fall into a single router, what does your routing 
protocol do anyway?

At 11:14 PM 9/30/2002 +, you wrote:
Just thinking what are the best practices to route between vlans. We have 6
vlans at work, the main reason for multiple vlans is to minimize the impact
of Broadcasts. We are running eigrp on the RSM/cat5500. Is this how most
people configure it out there ? Also we are planning to add a seperate vlan
for Voice and I wonder how would that be impacted with EIGRP running on the
RSM. Thanks for any insights or suggestions.




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Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-10-04 Thread nrf

Peter van Oene  wrote in message
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 At 06:04 PM 9/30/2002 +, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
 I have an even more fundamental question. ;-) Why does MPLS need a
routing
 protocol at all? Obviously, the forwarding of traffic doesn't use it.
 Forwarding is based on the labels. Is it for the label distribution
 component? Couldn't that be done with manual configuration?

 Static label assignment is tremendously onerous. Keep in mind that without
 a control plane that has some topological awareness, you'd need to
 configure label in/out relationships on every transit router in your
 network, per LSP.  Try that with 5000 LSPs :)  I'd rather do 5-10 in a low
 security prison myself.

I disagree - I don't believe you need inherent topological awareness at all,
at least not in an routing protocol that is inherent to the systems in
question.

Let me explain.   When I said why couldn't LSP's just be implemented
manually, I was opening the door to an LSP being a perfect drop-in
replacement to today's ATM PVC's.  Hey - ATM PVC's today are configured
manually in the sense that there is usually an overarching piece of
management software that the engineers use to build and rebuild all the
PVC's and nobody seems to have a problem with that, and this obviates the
need for PNNI or any other kind of dynamic topology calculation mechanism
within the system itself. MPLS could do the same thing - it could provide
the hooks for which companies could build management software  to build
permanent LSP's, as opposed to being forced to dance the IP tune even if
they don't want to.

What I'm saying is this.  MPLS, in my eyes, seemed to offer a powerful
management 'virtualization mechanism' for creating paths.  Ideally, MPLS
would remain generalized such that implementers could use a wide variety of
ways to create LSP's, and could mix and match these ways as they see fit.
But not anymore, MPLS is handcuffed to IP, and I think this IP-only
obsession will slow the implementation of MPLS.  Let's face it, IP, is on
the whole, unprofitable for the provider.  So in this financial day and age,
it's not surprising that providers aren't exactly going to rush to implement
any technology that is  IP-centric.  They will still adopt it because IP is
the key to future profitability, but the implementation will be
unnecessarily slowed.

 Pete




 Priscilla
 
 
 nrf wrote:
  
   Chuck's Long Road  wrote
   in message
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hey, friends, I'm always interested in learning something I
   didn't know
before. not claiming to know a whole lot about MPLS, but in
   terms of
operation, MPLS operates on top of a routing protocol, any
   routing
   protocol,
correct? Requires that CEF is enabled, at least in the Cisco
   world, but
   any
old routing protocol is fair game as the transport piece,
   correct?
   
So to me, the question would become one of the relative
   merits of any
routing protocol, without the MPLS issue clouding it. I would
   think, but
what do I know?
  
  
   I got an even more fundamental question - why does MPLS require
   IP at all?
   At the risk of starting a religious way, it's not called
   Internet Protocol
   Label Switching, it's Multi-protocol label switching.  MPLS has
   effectively
   become a feature of IP, as opposed to a generalized
   control-plane mechanism
   for which is what it was originally intended.
  
  
  
   
I suppose there are always the issue of interoperability.
   
I would certainly appreciate the wisdom of the folks on this
   group.
   
Chuck
   
   
   
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 I am looking for a comparative design question: Why a large
   corporation
 should or should not  use MPLS over  EIGRP . Any useful
   links will be
 greatly appreciated .


 Thanks as always


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Re: PIX Confusion [7:54875]

2002-10-04 Thread Robert Edmonds

From Cisco's website:



You can use the fixup command to change the default port assignments or to
enable or disable application inspection for the following protocols and
applications:

  a.. FTP


  b.. H.323


  c.. HTTP


  d.. ILS


  e.. RSH


  f.. RTSP


  g.. SIP


  h.. SKINNY (SCCP)


  i.. SMTP


  j.. SQL*Net


The basic syntax for the fixup command is as follows:

[no] fixup protocol [protocol] [port]
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/iaabu/pix/pix_62/config/fixu
p.htm#xtocid2

The command would be
fixup protocol ftp 5051
And as far as changing your NAT statements, I believe as long as you use the
keyword ftp
in your commands, it will adjust to the port number change.
NetEng  wrote in message
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 I have a PIX 501 and get a single IP from my ISP. I would like to set up
an
 FTP conduit, but on port 5051. I can't find any docs on how to do this.
When
 I play around it it states that I have to change my NAT rules too. I still
 want all inside users access outside. Any info or links are appreciated.

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Re: Routing based on port number [7:54879]

2002-10-04 Thread John Neiberger

I'd consider using Policy-Based Routing.  This would allow you to
classify traffic based on port number using access lists and then make
routing decisions from class-based rules.

HTH,
John

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10:02:11 AM 
Greetings all,

What features on the IOS can I use to route based on the port number.
NBAR is one of the services that comes to mind, are there any other
services that allow me to accomplish that?


Thanks...Nabil

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RE: NAT [7:54838]

2002-10-04 Thread Daren Presbitero

Hi Paul,

With this command, will you be able to let's say ftp to the
outside IP and get forwarded to the ftp ports of the internal ip?

Daren   

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Hi,
ip nat inside source static private public ip


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Hi All,

I am trying to set up NAT on a cisco 2600 router.  Everything seems to
be working except that I can not access resources on the inside using
there public IP address from the inside.  From the internet the router
translates the public addresses to private addresses, but from the
inside I have to use the private address to access any resource.  How
can I get the router to translate requests that originate from the
inside?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-10-04 Thread Peter van Oene

At 03:12 AM 10/1/2002 +, nrf wrote:
  

 
  I've been involved in Formal International Standards Bodies, where
  the Camel was developed as a functional specification for a Mouse.
  The market and the world are far faster than the carriers would like
  it to be.

Here I must disagree.  The fact is the traditional carriers basically are
the market, in the sense that they are the ones with money to spend.  It
doesn't really matter if the standards bodies come up with all sorts of cool
and funky technologies if nobody implements them.   The only providers who
are really in a position to implement much of anything these days are the
traditional carriers because they are the only ones who actually have money
(practically all of the pure Internet service-providers are bleeding red ink
everywhere).   And those traditional carriers are only going to implement
something to the degree that it is profitable to do so.

Fully agree here, however want to add that many RBOC/ILEC types are looking 
not solely at new revenue generation based upon new technology, but rather 
to maximize profits on existing revenue.  In this context, decreasing the 
amount of transport networks required to support a variety of services 
tends to make sense which is a point that I believe you've made as well, 
but I wanted to reiterate. (been blackholed from mailing lists for a few 
days and suffered severe withdrawal)

Which is why I am concerned for the future of MPLS.  In its original
conception, MPLS offered the promise for a generalized control-plane that
could potentially span all the gear that a carrier has to run.  A Grand
Unified Theory of networking, if you will.

I'm not sure how far back your time line dates with respect to the 
original conception.  For me, MPLS and its ancestors have generally 
fallen under the loose theme of providing cell like switching performance 
or low over VC's for IP.  The most direct ancestor, Tag Switching, was 
entirely targeted at IP as far as I recall.

Now, it has become  IP-centric, and Internet-centric in particular (i.e. the
involvement of the IETF).But the fact of the matter is that IP services
in general, and the Internet in particular, are still highly unprofitable
for the carriers.  Untold billions have been spent on carrier Internet
infrastructure with nary a hope of ever getting a semi-reasonable return on
investment. The Internet has become a godsend to the consumer but a
financial nightmare for the carriers.

Many service providers do derive profit from IP transit services 
particularly in the commercial space.  Most tend to loose money on 
residential services with DSL being the biggest contributor.  I expect most 
carries lose 10-15 US dollars a month per DSL subscriber.  However, as you 
say, many of those same characters derive profit from frame/ATM based VPN 
offerings albeit those offering historically haven't been referred to as 
VPN to my memory.  Building out networks that support the profitable growth 
and maintenance of the traditional frame /ATM VPN (or more aptly virtual 
leased line) while at the same time providing IP transport for IP data and 
other more value add services makes a good deal of sense.

Which is why I believe that any new carrier-style technology that is
directed  towards the Internet will achieve unnecessarily slow adoption by
the carriers.  Now don't get me wrong, MPLS will be adopted, the real
question is how quickly.  If much of the work on MPLS is done mostly on IP
and  Internet features, and not on the more traditional telco features, this
will slow the adoption of MPLS.   Traditional carriers are not exactly
champing at the bit to spend money adopting new Internet technology now that
financial sanity has returned to the fold (notice how so many carriers are
cancelling or slowing their Internet buildouts?).

I would suggest that MPLS is widely adopted in a variety of spaces.  MPLS 
for traffic engineering had a good market in areas where fiber capacity 
wasn't as flush as it happens to be in the US (EMEA comes to mind 
here).  MPLS for ATM transport (pseudo-wire encap like) has a pretty strong 
deployment in some very large networks providing a high speed, core for 
legacy ISP ATM networks.  MPLS L3 VPN's would seem to be more and more 
widely deployed and as the L2 variants work themselves out in the IETF will 
likely see similarly wide adaptation based upon my observations (though I'm 
no luminary :)  MPLS L2vpn as a replacement for traditional ATM/Frame 
networks makes a great deal of sense on paper and offers a pretty 
reasonable migration path and I've found many RBOC type customers very 
interested in talking about it.

 
  When I worked for a primarily carrier-oriented vendor, there were
  deep emotions that they could make IP go away with:
  (1) Ubiquitous fiber
  (2) Apparently manually provisioned MPLS, since they equated the
topology
  to something of equal complexity and hierarchy to what you can do
in
  

RE: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-10-04 Thread Daren Presbitero

What about using default routes at the customer sites?

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At 07:12 PM 9/30/2002 +, MADMAN wrote:
Interesting.  I don't work for an ISP bt have worked with many and I 
have only ran into one that ran an IGP with it's customers and I was 
suprised.  My ancedotal evidence suggests that the vast majority either

run BGP or statics to announce customer networks.  I know there are 
plenty of ISP engineers out there and can confirm/rip my conjecture ;)

  Dave

Best practises would dictate the use of static or a distance vector
variant 
IGP for customer connections.  The lack of import filtering capability
in 
Link State protocols presents a very dangerous situation for the ISP.
In 
general, ISP's are very paranoid about customers (and peers/providers 
alike) and take all means necessary to protect themselves from
misbehaving 
external peers (IP peers in this general case)  BGP naturally provides
the 
most policy rich tool set for those applications where static routing
will 
not suffice.  I find RIP to be a comfortable variant for those
multihomed 
customers who simply will not turn up BGP, though I'd still prefer to
have 
the BGP discussion one last time with them prior to doing using it.

Of course, linking one's main IGP to a customers is a really silly idea 
which I think everyone grasps ;)



Mike Bernico wrote:
 
  I'm not sure I'm in complete agreement.  The network I work for has
several
  distribution routers that contain around 1000 T1 speed customers.  
  If we were to static route each of their networks it would add about

  1000 to
1500
  lines of router configuration to the router.  That would definately 
  add
to
  our maintenance and provisioning work and make troubleshooting 
  harder on
our
  techs.   While I agree statics are probably the most stable way, I'm
not
  sure it's necessarily the best way to aggrigate high volumes of
customers.
  We currently use EIGRP at the edge with the stub command, OSPF or 
  IS-IS would work just as well.  Regardless, we would never let our 
  IGP, that extends to the CE router, touch their IGP.  About 98% of 
  our customers
are
  not BGP customers though.
 
  YMMV
  Mike
 
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   -Original Message-
   From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:37 AM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]
  
  
   At 2:58 PM + 9/30/02, Don wrote:
   Rather than run OSPF to customers, it is generally much
   better to have
   them use a default route to the ISP and for the ISP to run
   static routes to
   the customer.  OSPF to the customer is a huge land mine for
   the ISP and
   should be avoided in almost every case.
Don
  
   I agree completely with Don that an ISP _never_ should link its 
   IGP to that of the customer.  Don't fall into the trap of assuming

   that BGP needs a full routing table or will consume excessive 
   resources.
  
   I remain confused why a default route wouldn't serve, unless there

   are multiple connections between the ISP and customer. By send 
   the block to the customer, do you mean the block is in the 
   customer's space?  You could certainly use a second static route, 
   which can be generated automatically as part of your address 
   assignment (see my NANOG presentation, 
   http://www.nanog.org/mtg-9811/ppt/berk/index.htm).
  
   If that's not appropriate, have the customer announce his two 
   blocks to you with BGP and receive default from your BGP.
  
   
   
   Chris Headings  wrote in message 
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 Good morning all.  I was wondering if someone could lend
   me a little help
 about engineering OSPF in the backbone for an ISP
   network.  I just had a
 couple of questions and hopefully someone can give me
   some guidance.or
   even
 some CCO links with some specific examples or better yet
   any material
 anywhere.
   
 Say, for example, that a customer has a small block of IP's 
and a  distribution router knows where that block is, via a
   connected route,
   like
   a
 /30 on a serial link.  But later down the line the
   customer requests an
 additional block of 64 IP addresses, what is the best way
   to send this
   block
 to the customer?  Do I need to run OSPF on the customer
   equipment?  If
   the
 customer router is not running OSPF, how do the routers
   know how to get
   to
 this destination?  I assume via static routing???
   
 Thanks as always.
   
  Chris
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RE: Strange behaviour for 2600 tftpdnld - anyone else has [7:54892]

2002-10-04 Thread Daren Presbitero

I just encountered this problem with 12.1 also on a 2600.  The way I got
it to work was by setting the TFTP_CHECKSUM variable (I think that's
what it is called) to the value of 0.  It worked after this.

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I encountered something similar with IOS 12.1.10 enterprise on the 2500
series. I reported it to Cisco and posted something on the list here a
month or two back.

There is a bug in some of the 12.1 codes.


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 Hi all,

 I was upgrading some 2600's yesterday with new flash and DRAM. The 
 router boots up into rommon mode correctly. All the TFTP variables are

 then set and the code uploaded. Problem is that when the code is 
 finished
I
 get an error about invalid checksum. Downloaded some new code and same

 results. Eventually, through sheer frustration I tried IOS 11.3 IP 
 only. This
worked.
 I then reloaded the router for the new code to take effect. I was now 
 able to upload the IOS 12.2.12 that I was originally trying. Worked 
 perfectly. Routers are 100% stable.

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RE: Extended Vlan across Wan [7:54866]

2002-10-04 Thread Daren Presbitero

Couldn't you bridge the VLAN's into an ATM 1483 bridged PVC, point to
point across the WAN at both ends?

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Hi Guys,

Could you give me your opinion about the following ?

What is the best technology nowadays to extend Vlans across a ATM Wan
backbone ?


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RE: PIX Confusion [7:54875]

2002-10-04 Thread Chee, William

Try this:

static (inside,outside) tcp interface ftp 192.168.1.2(or IP of your internal
host) 5051 netmask 255.255.255.
255 0 0


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Subject: PIX Confusion [7:54875]


I have a PIX 501 and get a single IP from my ISP. I would like to set up an
FTP conduit, but on port 5051. I can't find any docs on how to do this. When
I play around it it states that I have to change my NAT rules too. I still
want all inside users access outside. Any info or links are appreciated.

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Re: CiscoWorks2000 and snmp problems [7:54865]

2002-10-04 Thread bi.s

MADMAN wrote:
 Yes that URL is exactly what I sent to a customer many months ago when
 they had the same problem.  SNMP would request the whole routing table,
 they are receiving the whole Internet routing table, which caused their
 7200 CPU utilization to max out.  There should be no reason the grab
 this table via SNMP so cutdown will help you if this is similiar to your
 scenerio.
 

hi dave,

thanks for your answer. did it help your customer?
my problem is not really getting the routing table (i guess). this 
happened while trying to update the inventory. and it looks like only 
the c7200 are affected... but being route-reflectors this is enough...

thanks for your feedback
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Re: CiscoWorks2000 and snmp problems [7:54865]

2002-10-04 Thread bi.s

Ersin Abacioglu wrote:
 I had a similar problem but with our cat 5500's.  The CPU would spike to
95%
 utilization every couple of minutes.  Before I get into what we did, try
 going under Resource Manager Essentials = Administration = Change Polling
 options = choose the 7000 series routers and try to manipulate some of the
 polling options.  
 
 If this doesn't work.  See if this is caused by Device Fault Manager.  Go
to
 Server Configuration = Administration = Stop Process = shutdown DFM
 Server and DFM Broker and see if that resolved anything.  
 

thanks ersin,

i will look at it next monday.

cya
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Re: Extended Vlan across Wan [7:54866]

2002-10-04 Thread M.C. van den Bovenkamp

Daren Presbitero wrote:

 Couldn't you bridge the VLAN's into an ATM 1483 bridged PVC, point to
 point across the WAN at both ends?

That's how I did it when I had the need.

Regards,

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Re: Extended Vlan across Wan [7:54866]

2002-10-04 Thread Chuck's Long Road

This thread brings to mind a question I've had for a while.

It appears sometimes that a lot of people think ATM is difficult to
understand, implement, support.

Why is it that?

My ( albeit limited ) exposure to ATM from the customer side is that ATM is
basically every bit as easy to set up and run on your typical WAN as frame
relay. Yes there are some additional bells and whistles which can become
complex as you do more complex things. And obviously, complex corporate
networks might make use of a lot more ATM specific features.

But in general, you set up the PVC's, configure the IP address ( or enable
bridging ) and do everything else pretty much the same was as you do with
frame relay.

Any thoughts?

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  Couldn't you bridge the VLAN's into an ATM 1483 bridged PVC, point to
  point across the WAN at both ends?

 That's how I did it when I had the need.

 Regards,

 Marco.




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Re: Switch MAC filter [7:54880]

2002-10-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 6509, you could use 'set security acl ... mac'

The problem is that works only for traffic other than IP/IPX.

For IP you should use 'set security acl ip ...'

Regards,

Alaerte





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Assunto:Switch MAC filter [7:54880]


Is there a way on a 6509 to filter a port from seeing a traffic from a
cetain
MAC when the two hosts are on the same VLAN.  The problem is one host keeps
broadcasting NTP updates every 40 secs and the Pix SYSLOG is contantly
logging
it.  Since the NTP host does not go through the firewall I was wondering if
I
could block the MAC address all together at the port the Pix is plugged
into.

Thanks..




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RE: Fluke one touch Network assistant and RCS Safe [7:54887]

2002-10-04 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

Blair, Philip S wrote:
 
 If you attached the Fluke to a switched port then it will only
 see network
 traffic destined to the device on that port and
 multicast/broadcast traffic.

Very good point. If at all possible, all traffic should be analyzed. More
below...

 
 It would seem than that your broadcast traffic is 0.8% of your
 available
 bandwidth, 80% of your 1% utilization.  That seems reasonable,
 I'd look
 elsewhere for the problem.

Broadcasts aren't using a lot of bandwidth, but they could still be a
problem. On 100 Mbps Ethernet, you can have a maximum of 148,800 packets per
second. Let's say we're using 1% of that (round up from 0.8%). Then we could
have 1,488 broadcasts per second and still be using only 1% of the available
bandwidth! That's a lot.

Note the math requires that the packets be only 64 bytes each, and includes
the FCS, preamble, and interframe-gap. If the packets were bigger, then
there would be fewer per second, but broadcasts often are small.

If you have slow PCs and/or NICs, they will indeed slow down with this level
of broadcasts. A lot of networks still have the rather dangerous combination
of 100 Mbps, chatty software, and PCs that are a few years old. The easiest
and least expensive thing to fix, if there are problems, is probably the
software or configuration of the software.

Recently I saw a Windows 2000 server completely stop all its services when
it got overwhelmed by broadcasts, and in this case it was only one station
broadcasting. It was a station sending more frequently than once per second
trying to find the non-existent server that was supposed to have the newest
anti-virus updates. We were able to tell the client to stop this bad
behavior, and, last I heard, the server had stopped having problems.

What is this RCS software? It may have been written by software developers
who have never considered the effects of their code on a network. You
wouldn't believe how common that is! ;-)
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www.priscilla.com


 
 One option if your equipment supports it would be to span the
 vlan traffic
 to a port and plug the fluke into the spanned port.  Depending
 on you
 network design you still may only see a subset of your traffic.
 
 Philip
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Sim, CT (Chee Tong) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:35 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Fluke one touch Network assistant and RCS SafeNet
 software
 [7:54860]
 
 
 Hi...
 
  
 
 Recently we found that LAN is getting slower and I used Fluke
 One Touch
 Network Assistant to check the health of network.  And it gave
 me the
 following.
 
  
 
 Utilization 1%
 
 Error  0 %
 
 Collision 0%
 
 Broadcast 80 %
 
 IP 48%
 
 Station 250 %
 
  
 
 Do you think the fluke output indicate that our network got
 problem?  The
 broadcast portion is quite high and I tried to find out which
 pc contribute
 to the broadcast, it gave me 
 
  
 
 PC-A 6%
 
 PC-B 6
 
 PC-C 6%
 
 PC-D 6%
 
 PC-E 6%
 
 PC-F 6%
 
 PC-G 6%
 
 PC-H 6%
 
 PC-I 6%
 
  
 
 All the PC that listed are installed with RCS software, when we
 uninstalled
 RCS from the PC, the PC's broadcast will be gone.  Why RCS
 caused the
 broadcast, I am not sure whether it is the cause of our network
 slowness or
 not.  Any idea?  
 
  
 
 Thanks in advanced
 
  
 
 Sim
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 
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Access List Change [7:54901]

2002-10-04 Thread CTM CTM

Hello all,

Continuing my quest to unravel that which was left behind, I am now at the
following conclusion:

Europe is on subnet 172.29.30.0
U.S. is on subnet 192.168.100.0

Europe office has a 512k portal to the internet, public IP gateway being
1.2.3.4 (made up of course, is in 217.x.x.x range)
U.S. public IP is 6.7.8.9
However, it has been configured for all Europe internet traffic to be routed
through U.S. office (for purposes of going through a firewall, which wasn't
in place anyways). This has left Europe office with effective internet
speeds of 50k.

Now I want them to use their own internet portal and I believe I need to
reconfigure access lists to allow it.

Here are my lists:

ip nat inside source list 101 interface Ethernet0 overload
ip kerberos source-interface any
ip classless
ip route profile
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 1.2.3.4
ip route 172.29.40.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.100.15
ip http server
!
access-list 100 permit ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 6.7.8.9 0.0.0.31
access-list 100 permit ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 192.168.100.0 0.0.0.255
access-list 101 deny   ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 6.7.8.9 0.0.0.31
access-list 101 deny   ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 192.168.100.0 0.0.0.255
access-list 101 permit ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 any

interface Ethernet0
 description connected to Internet
 ip address 1.2.3.5 255.255.255.248--- IP is one number above public
gateway
 ip nat outside
 no ip route-cache
 no ip mroute-cache
 half-duplex
 crypto map cm-cryptomap

And here's what I *think* I need to do:

no ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 1.2.3.4
ip route 172.29.30.0 255.255.255.0 1.2.3.4
access-list 100 permit ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 1.2.3.4

For the last line I would actually need to clear all access lists ( no
access-list 100. is the command?) and then reenter to preserve the
order?

Does it sound like I'm close to what I need to do?




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Re: How to dial in power up home lab?? [7:54768]

2002-10-04 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

Peter Walker : CISSP, CSS1, CIP wrote:
 
 Gaz wrote:
  
 
  I use Windows XP remote desktop to a home PC and connect to
 everything
  else from there. Bit of a strange set-up, but I use Internet
 Connection
  sharing on the XP box and all the routers sit behind that.
   I suppose the security may not be wonderful?? 
 
 No it isnt unless you have put some work into the security of
 this
 machine. 
 
  but to be honest I don't
  care. The XP machine can be re-built in minutes (ish).
  
 It can once you realised it has been cracked.  How 
 quickly do you think you can spot that it has happened?
 Are you also volunteering your time and money to fix any 
 systems that are attacked from your machine?
 
 
 Peter Walker
 
 PS. Sorry if I seem a bit harsh, but the fact is that in 
 my experience most 'attacks' that I have experienced originate 
 from poorly secured machines that people have foolishly placed 
 on the net.
 

I agree with you, Peter.

Recently I was at a conference with some security gurus. They were working
on a system for ISPs to automatically notice and report to each other
security problems. The system required the ISP to have an automomous system
number. I pointed out that some ISPs don't have such a thing. There are
still quite a few small ISPs that depend on other ISPs who depend on other
ISPs, etc. The gurus sort of laughted at me. But really, a lot of the
attacks are going to come from Grandma's PC that Grandson forgot to secure
when he set up an ISP in his bedroom. If that's a bit extreme, I would also
say that a lot of attacks are going to come from compromised computers
behind cable or DSL modems, where the slightly larger ISP didn't stress
security enough either. That's my $0.02 anyway. Comments??

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Re: CiscoWorks2000 and snmp problems [7:54865]

2002-10-04 Thread ss cc

I had this problem several weeks ago.  I removed MIB ciscoEntityAssetMIB
from CiscoWorks.  Check out CSCdu55091 on CCO.
Or you can configure the following on your routers:


  snmp-server view cutdown ciscoEntityAssetMIB excluded
  snmp-server community public view cutdown RO
  snmp-server community private view cutdown RW


Hope this helps,

Stephanie

 bi.s wrote:hi,

i am interested if there is someone using cw2k and has c7200 vxr with 
npe-400.
do you have problems with snmp on the routers? on other routers?
it looks like there is a problem with snmp causing high cpu on routers 
and bringing the network down.

has someone this problems? how did you solve them?
ios upgrading doesnt help and the cisco case was closed without a fix.

is snmp-server view cutdown an option 
(http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/477/SNMP/ipsnmphighcpu.shtml).

any experiences with that?

thanks
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RE: Fluke one touch Network assistant and RCS SafeNet software [7:54887]

2002-10-04 Thread Blair, Philip S

If you attached the Fluke to a switched port then it will only see network
traffic destined to the device on that port and multicast/broadcast traffic.

It would seem than that your broadcast traffic is 0.8% of your available
bandwidth, 80% of your 1% utilization.  That seems reasonable, I'd look
elsewhere for the problem.

One option if your equipment supports it would be to span the vlan traffic
to a port and plug the fluke into the spanned port.  Depending on you
network design you still may only see a subset of your traffic.

Philip

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[7:54860]


Hi...

 

Recently we found that LAN is getting slower and I used Fluke One Touch
Network Assistant to check the health of network.  And it gave me the
following.

 

Utilization 1%

Error  0 %

Collision 0%

Broadcast 80 %

IP 48%

Station 250 %

 

Do you think the fluke output indicate that our network got problem?  The
broadcast portion is quite high and I tried to find out which pc contribute
to the broadcast, it gave me 

 

PC-A 6%

PC-B 6

PC-C 6%

PC-D 6%

PC-E 6%

PC-F 6%

PC-G 6%

PC-H 6%

PC-I 6%

 

All the PC that listed are installed with RCS software, when we uninstalled
RCS from the PC, the PC's broadcast will be gone.  Why RCS caused the
broadcast, I am not sure whether it is the cause of our network slowness or
not.  Any idea?  

 

Thanks in advanced

 

Sim

 

 

 


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QDM on 7200VXR [7:54903]

2002-10-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Greetings all,

I'm playing with QDM 2.1 on a 7200VXR with IOS 12.2(12).  When I launch
qdm from my browser (IE 6.0) is takes for every to complete loading, any
ideas?


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Neebie to list, need help [7:54904]

2002-10-04 Thread \\Kerpal.Abdar\\

Hi All, I am in need of some help.  Can anyone tell me what drops mean when
I issue a show interface on a Cisco router?  Is this something bad and if
so
what can I do to fix it?


Serial0/0 is up, line protocol is up 
  Hardware is DSCC4 with integrated T1 CSU/DSU
  Description: LINK TO UUNET 
  MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1536 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, 
 reliability 255/255, txload 18/255, rxload 64/255
  Encapsulation FRAME-RELAY IETF, loopback not set
  Keepalive set (10 sec)
  LMI enq sent  145889, LMI stat recvd 145889, LMI upd recvd 0, DTE LMI up
  LMI enq recvd 0, LMI stat sent  0, LMI upd sent  0
  LMI DLCI 0  LMI type is ANSI Annex D  frame relay DTE
  Broadcast queue 0/64, broadcasts sent/dropped 0/0, interface broadcasts 0
  Last input 00:00:03, output 00:00:04, output hang never
  Last clearing of show interface counters 2w2d
  Queueing strategy: fifo
  Output queue 0/40, 516 drops; input queue 0/75, 999 drops
  5 minute input rate 389000 bits/sec, 68 packets/sec
  5 minute output rate 113000 bits/sec, 64 packets/sec
 21344933 packets input, 3254757193 bytes, 0 no buffer
 Received 0 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
 1 input errors, 0 CRC, 1 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort
 27242775 packets output, 1682958597 bytes, 0 underruns
 0 output errors, 0 collisions, 3 interface resets
 0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
 0 carrier transitions
 DCD=up  DSR=up  DTR=up  RTS=up  CTS=up



I am experiencing a lot of latency on the network and I am starting to
troubleshoote to see what could be causing it.  I noticed that on this link
the inbound rate tends to spike to full line rate which may be the cause but
not sure yet.  

Thanks.

Kerpal




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RE: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]

2002-10-04 Thread Peter van Oene

Hey Daren,

For single homed customers, that makes a lot of sense.  I suppose I was 
speaking more to the situations where a customer my want to dynamically 
advertise reachability to their provider(s)

At 04:32 PM 10/4/2002 +, Daren Presbitero wrote:
What about using default routes at the customer sites?

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Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 5:17 AM
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Subject: Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]


At 07:12 PM 9/30/2002 +, MADMAN wrote:
 Interesting.  I don't work for an ISP bt have worked with many and I
 have only ran into one that ran an IGP with it's customers and I was
 suprised.  My ancedotal evidence suggests that the vast majority either

 run BGP or statics to announce customer networks.  I know there are
 plenty of ISP engineers out there and can confirm/rip my conjecture ;)
 
   Dave

Best practises would dictate the use of static or a distance vector
variant
IGP for customer connections.  The lack of import filtering capability
in
Link State protocols presents a very dangerous situation for the ISP.
In
general, ISP's are very paranoid about customers (and peers/providers
alike) and take all means necessary to protect themselves from
misbehaving
external peers (IP peers in this general case)  BGP naturally provides
the
most policy rich tool set for those applications where static routing
will
not suffice.  I find RIP to be a comfortable variant for those
multihomed
customers who simply will not turn up BGP, though I'd still prefer to
have
the BGP discussion one last time with them prior to doing using it.

Of course, linking one's main IGP to a customers is a really silly idea
which I think everyone grasps ;)



 Mike Bernico wrote:
  
   I'm not sure I'm in complete agreement.  The network I work for has
several
   distribution routers that contain around 1000 T1 speed customers.
   If we were to static route each of their networks it would add about

   1000 to
1500
   lines of router configuration to the router.  That would definately
   add
to
   our maintenance and provisioning work and make troubleshooting
   harder on
 our
   techs.   While I agree statics are probably the most stable way, I'm
not
   sure it's necessarily the best way to aggrigate high volumes of
customers.
   We currently use EIGRP at the edge with the stub command, OSPF or
   IS-IS would work just as well.  Regardless, we would never let our
   IGP, that extends to the CE router, touch their IGP.  About 98% of
   our customers
are
   not BGP customers though.
  
   YMMV
   Mike
  
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From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OSPF for ISPs [7:54540]
   
   
At 2:58 PM + 9/30/02, Don wrote:
Rather than run OSPF to customers, it is generally much
better to have
them use a default route to the ISP and for the ISP to run
static routes to
the customer.  OSPF to the customer is a huge land mine for
the ISP and
should be avoided in almost every case.
 Don
   
I agree completely with Don that an ISP _never_ should link its
IGP to that of the customer.  Don't fall into the trap of assuming

that BGP needs a full routing table or will consume excessive
resources.
   
I remain confused why a default route wouldn't serve, unless there

are multiple connections between the ISP and customer. By send
the block to the customer, do you mean the block is in the
customer's space?  You could certainly use a second static route,
which can be generated automatically as part of your address
assignment (see my NANOG presentation,
http://www.nanog.org/mtg-9811/ppt/berk/index.htm).
   
If that's not appropriate, have the customer announce his two
blocks to you with BGP and receive default from your BGP.
   


Chris Headings  wrote in message
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  Good morning all.  I was wondering if someone could lend
me a little help
  about engineering OSPF in the backbone for an ISP
network.  I just had a
  couple of questions and hopefully someone can give me
some guidance.or
even
  some CCO links with some specific examples or better yet
any material
  anywhere.

  Say, for example, that a customer has a small block of IP's
 and a  distribution router knows where that block is, via a
connected route,
like
a
  /30 on a serial link.  But later down the line the
customer requests an
  additional block of 64 IP addresses, what is the best way
to send this
block
  to the customer?  Do I need to run OSPF on the customer

Re: Dual CCIE and Recertification [7:54799]

2002-10-04 Thread aaa

You can do it  and you will get cumulative points towards a third CCIE
!!!

Jim Haynes  wrote in message
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 I know if you have one CCIE and pass a second one it counts as
 recertifiying, however does this mean you would have to recertify both in
 the future by taking the written for each one, For example, Security and
 Rs?

 Jim




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Re: Access List Change [7:54901]

2002-10-04 Thread Chuck's Long Road

just a quick comment or two.

you are writing as if you need to do something on your routers other than
change the gateway of last resort.

ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 goes where?

without getting into the intricacies, if you are introducing a new firewall
into the europe domain, your router should have a default route pointing
to the inside address of the firewall. no other configuration is required.
the firewall does all the filtering. no access lists. etc. at least not as
related to firewall stuff.

your router would redistribute the default route information, or not, as
needed.

your hosts would use the particular router as their default gateway.

if you are using your router as the firewall, then I have to ask - what
happens if that device is compromised - do you really want some hacker to
then be in the middle of your network?

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 Hello all,

 Continuing my quest to unravel that which was left behind, I am now at the
 following conclusion:

 Europe is on subnet 172.29.30.0
 U.S. is on subnet 192.168.100.0

 Europe office has a 512k portal to the internet, public IP gateway being
 1.2.3.4 (made up of course, is in 217.x.x.x range)
 U.S. public IP is 6.7.8.9
 However, it has been configured for all Europe internet traffic to be
routed
 through U.S. office (for purposes of going through a firewall, which
wasn't
 in place anyways). This has left Europe office with effective internet
 speeds of 
 Now I want them to use their own internet portal and I believe I need to
 reconfigure access lists to allow it.

 Here are my lists:

 ip nat inside source list 101 interface Ethernet0 overload
 ip kerberos source-interface any
 ip classless
 ip route profile
 ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 1.2.3.4
 ip route 172.29.40.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.100.15
 ip http server
 !
 access-list 100 permit ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 6.7.8.9 0.0.0.31
 access-list 100 permit ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 192.168.100.0 0.0.0.255
 access-list 101 deny   ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 6.7.8.9 0.0.0.31
 access-list 101 deny   ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 192.168.100.0 0.0.0.255
 access-list 101 permit ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 any

 interface Ethernet0
  description connected to Internet
  ip address 1.2.3.5 255.255.255.248 gateway
  ip nat outside
  no ip route-cache
  no ip mroute-cache
  half-duplex
  crypto map cm-cryptomap

 And here's what I *think* I need to do:

 no ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 1.2.3.4
 ip route 172.29.30.0 255.255.255.0 1.2.3.4
 access-list 100 permit ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 1.2.3.4

 For the last line I would actually need to clear all access lists ( no
 access-list 100. is the command?) and then reenter to preserve the
 order?

 Does it sound like I'm close to what I need to do?




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Re: Neebie to list, need help [7:54904]

2002-10-04 Thread Chuck's Long Road

in line ( like the skates ) below

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 Hi All, I am in need of some help.  Can anyone tell me what drops mean
when
 I issue a show interface on a Cisco router?  Is this something bad and
if
 so
 what can I do to fix it?


 Serial0/0 is up, line protocol is up
   Hardware is DSCC4 with integrated T1 CSU/DSU
   Description: LINK TO UUNET
   MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1536 Kbit, DLY 2 usec,
  reliability 255/255, txload 18/255, rxload 64/255
   Encapsulation FRAME-RELAY IETF, loopback not set
   Keepalive set (10 sec)
   LMI enq sent  145889, LMI stat recvd 145889, LMI upd recvd 0, DTE LMI up
   LMI enq recvd 0, LMI stat sent  0, LMI upd sent  0
   LMI DLCI 0  LMI type is ANSI Annex D  frame relay DTE
   Broadcast queue 0/64, broadcasts sent/dropped 0/0, interface broadcasts
0
   Last input 00:00:03, output 00:00:04, output hang never
   Last clearing of show interface counters 2w2d
   Queueing strategy: fifo
   Output queue 0/40, 516 drops; input queue 0/75, 999 drops


CL: it means that your buffers are overflowing and therefore dropping
packets. not a lot. and to judge from your traffic, it's no big deal.

CL: what you may want to do is issue a clear counters cokmmand, and then
periodically check, and maybe keep a chart. I can't tell from the output
here over how long a period of time this has been happening.



   5 minute input rate 389000 bits/sec, 68 packets/sec
   5 minute output rate 113000 bits/sec, 64 packets/sec
  21344933 packets input, 3254757193 bytes, 0 no buffer
  Received 0 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
  1 input errors, 0 CRC, 1 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort
  27242775 packets output, 1682958597 bytes, 0 underruns
  0 output errors, 0 collisions, 3 interface resets
  0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
  0 carrier transitions
  DCD=up  DSR=up  DTR=up  RTS=up  CTS=up



 I am experiencing a lot of latency on the network and I am starting to
 troubleshoote to see what could be causing it.  I noticed that on this
link
 the inbound rate tends to spike to full line rate which may be the cause
but
 not sure yet.

 Thanks.

 Kerpal




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ADSL Vs. SDSL [7:54909]

2002-10-04 Thread Brian Zeitz

I have 2 Verizon DSL lines, one is 1.5M down/128k up. The second is
768k/768k up and down. They both have dynamic IPs. My question is; Are
these
both ADSL lines? My boss thinkins the one 768k/768k is SDSL. I dont
think it
is, first of all, both lines have the same modem. If the one like was
ADSL,
and the other was SDSL there would be a different kind of modem. Or does
SDSL require a modem at all? These are both Verizon lines, but i am
confused
on the naming. On my order it says they are both ADSL lines. Any input
would
be appreciated, is my boss right, or am I right?



According to verizon's website ( I don't take this as the final word
however)



What is the difference between DSL technologies such as SDSL, ADSL,
IDSL, etc.?

Most small businesses are connected to an asymmetric (ADSL) line. ADSL
matches the Internet utilization of most users by providing higher
downstream capacity for browsing or downloading. Symmetric DSL (SDSL)
is a variation of ADSL, but provides the user with the same speed for
both downstream and upstream applications. Verizon Online Business DSL
portfolio of DSL speeds provides our Business customers with solutions
that meet their specific Internet application needs.



Ok that being said, why can i use the same modem on the ADSL line and
the SDSL line. Why do they make specific

modems for SDSL if they are both the same technology?



Thanks,



Brian




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Route-map question (urgent) [7:54910]

2002-10-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Greetings,

Need help with a route-map question.  I need to force all http traffic
to go to 10.10.10.141 address, does my config below allow me to do just
that?


access-list extended 101 permit tcp any host 10.10.10.141 eq 80
access-list extended 101 permit ip any any

route-map http_traffic permit 10
 match ip address 101

int fa2/0 (10.10.10.141 address is behind this interface)
ip policy route-map http_traffic

Thanks...Nabil

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Re: Route-map question (urgent) [7:54910]

2002-10-04 Thread Chuck's Long Road

what you have will end up sending ALL traffic to . well to nowhere,
since you have no set statement.

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 Greetings,

 Need help with a route-map question.  I need to force all http traffic
 to go to 10.10.10.141 address, does my config below allow me to do just
 that?


 access-list extended 101 permit tcp any host 10.10.10.141 eq 80
 access-list extended 101 permit ip any any

 route-map http_traffic permit 10
  match ip address 101

 int fa2/0 (10.10.10.141 address is behind this interface)
 ip policy route-map http_traffic

 Thanks...Nabil

 I have never let my schooling interfere with my education.




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Re: CiscoWorks2000 and snmp problems [7:54865]

2002-10-04 Thread MADMAN

Yes it took care of the issue for this customer, my guess would be
that SNMP is grabbing some large table it doesn't need.

  Dave

bi.s wrote:
 
 MADMAN wrote:
  Yes that URL is exactly what I sent to a customer many months ago when
  they had the same problem.  SNMP would request the whole routing table,
  they are receiving the whole Internet routing table, which caused their
  7200 CPU utilization to max out.  There should be no reason the grab
  this table via SNMP so cutdown will help you if this is similiar to your
  scenerio.
 
 
 hi dave,
 
 thanks for your answer. did it help your customer?
 my problem is not really getting the routing table (i guess). this
 happened while trying to update the inventory. and it looks like only
 the c7200 are affected... but being route-reflectors this is enough...
 
 thanks for your feedback
 -bis
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Re: PIX Confusion [7:54875]

2002-10-04 Thread NetEng

Still confused, I'm using access-lists

Here's the example from cisco:
static (inside, outside) 175.1.1.254 192.168.1.2
access-list 101 permit tcp host any host 192.168.1.2 eq ftp
access-group 101 in interface outside

Here's my questions:
I'm using DHCP for my outside address, can I still PAT the port for FTP?
How do I change the above static line to use the DHCP assigned address?

NetEng

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an
 FTP conduit, but on port 5051. I can't find any docs on how to do this.
When
 I play around it it states that I have to change my NAT rules too. I still
 want all inside users access outside. Any info or links are appreciated.

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Re: Access List Change [7:54901]

2002-10-04 Thread CTM CTM

Hi,

The router was purchased along with the Cisco firewall software license. I
figured to implement that? Otherwise I could put ISA on the server out there.

The security concerns are duly noted, and I won't leave the office on public
until addressed. That being said; to get them to use their own internet
portal direct I would do a:

ip route 172.29.30.0 255.255.255.0 1.2.3.4

and do a:

no ip route  0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0

is that correct?

BTW, and don't laugh, I put in that last route chasing down a CPU
utilization issue. The router was typically at 34% utilization. Doing some
research and I found that maybe packets to unclaimed addressed were looping
between internal network and ISP, and that line would throw them in the bit
bucket. So that was way out in left field wasn't it. I did solve the
utilization issue; there was an unused ADSL module, when I had that pulled
it went down to normal.

Chuck's Long Road wrote:
 
 just a quick comment or two.
 
 you are writing as if you need to do something on your routers
 other than
 change the gateway of last resort.
 
 ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 goes where?
 
 without getting into the intricacies, if you are introducing a
 new firewall
 into the europe domain, your router should have a default
 route pointing
 to the inside address of the firewall. no other configuration
 is required.
 the firewall does all the filtering. no access lists. etc. at
 least not as
 related to firewall stuff.
 
 your router would redistribute the default route information,
 or not, as
 needed.
 
 your hosts would use the particular router as their default
 gateway.
 
 if you are using your router as the firewall, then I have to
 ask - what
 happens if that device is compromised - do you really want some
 hacker to
 then be in the middle of your network?
 
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 like my web site?
 take the survey!
 
 
 
 CTM CTM  wrote in message
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  Hello all,
 
  Continuing my quest to unravel that which was left behind, I
 am now at the
  following conclusion:
 
  Europe is on subnet 172.29.30.0
  U.S. is on subnet 192.168.100.0
 
  Europe office has a 512k portal to the internet, public IP
 gateway being
  1.2.3.4 (made up of course, is in 217.x.x.x range)
  U.S. public IP is 6.7.8.9
  However, it has been configured for all Europe internet
 traffic to be
 routed
  through U.S. office (for purposes of going through a
 firewall, which
 wasn't
  in place anyways). This has left Europe office with effective
 internet
  speeds of  
  Now I want them to use their own internet portal and I
 believe I need to
  reconfigure access lists to allow it.
 
  Here are my lists:
 
  ip nat inside source list 101 interface Ethernet0 overload
  ip kerberos source-interface any
  ip classless
  ip route profile
  ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 1.2.3.4
  ip route 172.29.40.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.100.15
  ip http server
  !
  access-list 100 permit ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 6.7.8.9
 0.0.0.31
  access-list 100 permit ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 192.168.100.0
 0.0.0.255
  access-list 101 deny   ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 6.7.8.9
 0.0.0.31
  access-list 101 deny   ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 192.168.100.0
 0.0.0.255
  access-list 101 permit ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 any
 
  interface Ethernet0
   description connected to Internet
   ip address 1.2.3.5 255.255.255.248 above public
  gateway
   ip nat outside
   no ip route-cache
   no ip mroute-cache
   half-duplex
   crypto map cm-cryptomap
 
  And here's what I *think* I need to do:
 
  no ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 1.2.3.4
  ip route 172.29.30.0 255.255.255.0 1.2.3.4
  access-list 100 permit ip 172.29.30.0 0.0.0.255 1.2.3.4
 
  For the last line I would actually need to clear all access
 lists ( no
  access-list 100. is the command?) and then reenter to
 preserve the
  order?
 
  Does it sound like I'm close to what I need to do?
 
 




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Re: Extended Vlan across Wan [7:54866]

2002-10-04 Thread MADMAN

Part of the complicated image probably harkens back to early ATM
campus applications, pre 100BaseT.

  As you mention the configuration of ATM is very similiar to frame
though you need to shape your ATM traffic assuming a non UBR PVC or your
goodput will be unacceptable.  For whatever reason Cisco does not take
into account the ATM overhead when calculating your shaping parameters,
i.e. if your shaping a 5M pipe subtract %10, police at 4.5M for
aal5snap.

  Now LANE I think is primarily where ATM configuration/ especially
troubleshooting fear comes from, just say no to LANE!  If you simplt
want to extend a few VLANs over your ATM and you have LANE cards and an
RSM/MSFC you can bind the PVCs to the VLAN to extend a VLAN/s across
ATM.

  Dave

Chuck's Long Road wrote:
 
 This thread brings to mind a question I've had for a while.
 
 It appears sometimes that a lot of people think ATM is difficult to
 understand, implement, support.
 
 Why is it that?
 
 My ( albeit limited ) exposure to ATM from the customer side is that ATM is
 basically every bit as easy to set up and run on your typical WAN as frame
 relay. Yes there are some additional bells and whistles which can become
 complex as you do more complex things. And obviously, complex corporate
 networks might make use of a lot more ATM specific features.
 
 But in general, you set up the PVC's, configure the IP address ( or enable
 bridging ) and do everything else pretty much the same was as you do with
 frame relay.
 
 Any thoughts?
 
 Chuck
 
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  Daren Presbitero wrote:
 
   Couldn't you bridge the VLAN's into an ATM 1483 bridged PVC, point to
   point across the WAN at both ends?
 
  That's how I did it when I had the need.
 
  Regards,
 
  Marco.
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Re: Route-map question (urgent) [7:54910]

2002-10-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The second access-lists statement says to do the action in the route map
with all traffic.

From what I undertood you do not want that.

 Greetings,

 Need help with a route-map question.  I need to force all http
traffic
 to go to 10.10.10.141 address, does my config below allow me to
do just
 that?


 access-list extended 101 permit tcp any host 10.10.10.141 eq 80
 access-list extended 101 permit ip any any

 route-map http_traffic permit 10
  match ip address 101

 int fa2/0 (10.10.10.141 address is behind this interface)
 ip policy route-map http_traffic

 Thanks...Nabil

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Re: PIX Confusion [7:54875]

2002-10-04 Thread NetEng

Here's my config

access-list 101 permit icmp any any echo-reply
access-list 101 permit icmp any any source-quench
access-list 101 permit icmp any any unreachable
access-list 101 permit icmp any any time-exceeded
access-list 101 permit tcp any host 192.168.1.2 eq ftp
access-list 101 permit tcp any host 192.168.1.2 eq www
access-list 101 permit tcp any any eq www
pager lines 24
interface ethernet0 10baset
interface ethernet1 10full
mtu outside 1500
mtu inside 1500
ip address outside dhcp setroute
ip address inside 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0
ip audit info action alarm
ip audit attack action alarm
pdm history enable
arp timeout 14400
global (outside) 1 interface
nat (inside) 1 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0 0
static (inside,outside) tcp interface ftp 192.168.1.2 ftp netmask
255.255.255.255 0 0
static (inside,outside) tcp interface www 192.168.1.2 www netmask
255.255.255.255 0 0
access-group 101 in interface outside

I can ping OK, but cant access web or ftp from outside.
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 I have a PIX 501 and get a single IP from my ISP. I would like to set up
an
 FTP conduit, but on port 5051. I can't find any docs on how to do this.
When
 I play around it it states that I have to change my NAT rules too. I still
 want all inside users access outside. Any info or links are appreciated.

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Re: ADSL Vs. SDSL [7:54909]

2002-10-04 Thread Robert Edmonds

The information afterwards is not my words.  I got it off of
www.examnotes.net.  It was written by a guy that frequents their forums who
works in the telecom industry, doing work related to WAN type installations,
including DSL.  Here's what he said about the subject:

ADSL. Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line. A term for one-way T1 transmission
of signals to the home over the plain old, single twisted-pair wiring already
going to homes. ADSL modems attach to twisted pair copper wiring. ADSL is
often provisioned with greater downstream than upstream rates (hence
asymmetric). These rates are dependent on the distance a user is from the
central office and may vary from as high as 9 Mbps to as low as 384 Kbps.
HDSL. High bit-rate Digital Subscriber Line. The oldest of the DSL
technologies, HDSL continues to be used by telephone companies deploying T1
lines at 1.5 Mbps and requires two twisted pairs.
IDSL. ISDN Digital Subscriber Line. IDSL provides up to 144-Kbps transfer
rates in each direction and can be provisioned on any ISDN capable phone
line.
Unlike ADSL and other DSL technologies, IDSL can be deployed regardless of
the
distance the user is from the central office.
RADSL. Rate Adaptive Digital Subscriber Line. Using modified ADSL software,
RADSL makes it possible for modems automatically and dynamically to adjust
their transmission speeds. This often allows for good data rates for
customers
residing greater distances from the CO.
SDSL. Single-line Digital Subscriber Line or Symmetric Digital Subscriber
Line. A modified HDSL software technology, SDSL is intended to provide 1.5
Mbps in both directions over a single twisted pair. However, the distance
over
which this can be achieved is less than 8,000 feet.
VDSL. Very high-rate Digital Subscriber Line. The newest of the DSL
technologies, VDSL can offer speeds up to 25 Mbps downstream and 3 Mbps
upstream. Similar to SDSL, the gain in speed can be achieved only at short
distances. These maximum speeds can be achieved only up to 1,000 feet.
Sometimes also called broadband digital subscriber line (BDSL).
xDSL. A generic term for the suite of digital subscriber line (DSL) services,
where the x can be replaced with any of a number of letters. See also DSL,
ADSL, HDSL, IDSL, MDSL, RADSL, SDSL, VDSL.


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 I have 2 Verizon DSL lines, one is 1.5M down/128k up. The second is
 768k/768k up and down. They both have dynamic IPs. My question is; Are
 these
 both ADSL lines? My boss thinkins the one 768k/768k is SDSL. I dont
 think it
 is, first of all, both lines have the same modem. If the one like was
 ADSL,
 and the other was SDSL there would be a different kind of modem. Or does
 SDSL require a modem at all? These are both Verizon lines, but i am
 confused
 on the naming. On my order it says they are both ADSL lines. Any input
 would
 be appreciated, is my boss right, or am I right?



 According to verizon's website ( I don't take this as the final word
 however)



 What is the difference between DSL technologies such as SDSL, ADSL,
 IDSL, etc.?

 Most small businesses are connected to an asymmetric (ADSL) line. ADSL
 matches the Internet utilization of most users by providing higher
 downstream capacity for browsing or downloading. Symmetric DSL (SDSL)
 is a variation of ADSL, but provides the user with the same speed for
 both downstream and upstream applications. Verizon Online Business DSL
 portfolio of DSL speeds provides our Business customers with solutions
 that meet their specific Internet application needs.



 Ok that being said, why can i use the same modem on the ADSL line and
 the SDSL line. Why do they make specific

 modems for SDSL if they are both the same technology?



 Thanks,



 Brian




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Sniffing Async/Serial Ports on the Router [7:54919]

2002-10-04 Thread Hamid Ali Asgari

Hi group,

I am looking for a solution to monitor/sniff the traffic on Serial/Async
ports.
Any suggestions would be appreciated,

Hamid




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RE: Extended Vlan across Wan [7:54866]

2002-10-04 Thread Daren Presbitero

Chuck,

I agree with you.  I worked for FORE Systems doing nothing but ATM to the
desktop for 4 years before moving to a company with all cisco.  Not much
harder to understand, as long as you understand basic networking
fundamentals and the fact that these are just 2 different technologies that
have their place in the network.

Daren

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Chuck's Long Road
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Extended Vlan across Wan [7:54866]


This thread brings to mind a question I've had for a while.

It appears sometimes that a lot of people think ATM is difficult to
understand, implement, support.

Why is it that?

My ( albeit limited ) exposure to ATM from the customer side is that ATM is
basically every bit as easy to set up and run on your typical WAN as frame
relay. Yes there are some additional bells and whistles which can become
complex as you do more complex things. And obviously, complex corporate
networks might make use of a lot more ATM specific features.

But in general, you set up the PVC's, configure the IP address ( or enable
bridging ) and do everything else pretty much the same was as you do with
frame relay.

Any thoughts?

Chuck

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 Daren Presbitero wrote:

  Couldn't you bridge the VLAN's into an ATM 1483 bridged PVC, point to
  point across the WAN at both ends?

 That's how I did it when I had the need.

 Regards,

 Marco.




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Re: Sniffing Async/Serial Ports on the Router [7:54919]

2002-10-04 Thread Erick B.

You can use sniffer with appropiate POD to tap a
Serial line (PPP, HDLC, Frame, etc). This costs $
though. Theres other vendors with similar products
(agilent, etc). 

If your looking to monitor terminal (reverse telnet
like traffic) theres a async monitor command starting
with 12.2(4)T or 8T if I recall. Haven't used it
myself though but you can also sniff this traffic with
a ethernet sniffer as it's telnet and in the clear. 

--- Hamid Ali Asgari  wrote:
 Hi group,
 
 I am looking for a solution to monitor/sniff the
 traffic on Serial/Async
 ports.
 Any suggestions would be appreciated,
 
 Hamid
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Re: Extended Vlan across Wan [7:54866]

2002-10-04 Thread Thomas Larus

I think some people tend to be intimidated by ATM more than by frame relay
because it is more expensive to get into a home lab and most of us are less
likely to have a job configuring ATM on a regular basis than configuring
frame relay on a regular basis.

Yes, I know you can get ATM in your lab with 7000s and a non-Cisco switch at
an almost-reasonable price, but it's still a bit much too much money, bulk
and noise and power consumption.

Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014

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 Chuck,

 I agree with you.  I worked for FORE Systems doing nothing but ATM to the
 desktop for 4 years before moving to a company with all cisco.  Not much
 harder to understand, as long as you understand basic networking
 fundamentals and the fact that these are just 2 different technologies
that
 have their place in the network.

 Daren

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Chuck's Long Road
 Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:28 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Extended Vlan across Wan [7:54866]


 This thread brings to mind a question I've had for a while.

 It appears sometimes that a lot of people think ATM is difficult to
 understand, implement, support.

 Why is it that?

 My ( albeit limited ) exposure to ATM from the customer side is that ATM
is
 basically every bit as easy to set up and run on your typical WAN as frame
 relay. Yes there are some additional bells and whistles which can become
 complex as you do more complex things. And obviously, complex corporate
 networks might make use of a lot more ATM specific features.

 But in general, you set up the PVC's, configure the IP address ( or enable
 bridging ) and do everything else pretty much the same was as you do with
 frame relay.

 Any thoughts?

 Chuck

 --

 TANSTAAFL
 there ain't no such thing as a free lunch


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  Daren Presbitero wrote:
 
   Couldn't you bridge the VLAN's into an ATM 1483 bridged PVC, point to
   point across the WAN at both ends?
 
  That's how I did it when I had the need.
 
  Regards,
 
  Marco.




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Re: Neebie to list, need help [7:54904]

2002-10-04 Thread Garrett Allen

the tx/rx loads aren't that great and as it is a t-1 interface the amount of
traffic isn't that great.  the thing of interest is the interface
description - link to uuwho.  they have been having significant latency
issues.  the url may not make it but i posted it below.  it describes some
of their travails.  we use them as well and have seen similar problems
yesterday and today.  nothing to troubleshoot but you do need to let your
users know what is going on with the provider.

here is the url
http://www.matrixnetsystems.com/ea/advisories/20021003_instant_alert.jsp

hope it helps.

- Original Message -
From: Chuck's Long Road 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Neebie to list, need help [7:54904]


 in line ( like the skates ) below

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 Kerpal.Abdar  wrote in message
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  Hi All, I am in need of some help.  Can anyone tell me what drops mean
 when
  I issue a show interface on a Cisco router?  Is this something bad and
 if
  so
  what can I do to fix it?
 
 
  Serial0/0 is up, line protocol is up
Hardware is DSCC4 with integrated T1 CSU/DSU
Description: LINK TO UUNET
MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1536 Kbit, DLY 2 usec,
   reliability 255/255, txload 18/255, rxload 64/255
Encapsulation FRAME-RELAY IETF, loopback not set
Keepalive set (10 sec)
LMI enq sent  145889, LMI stat recvd 145889, LMI upd recvd 0, DTE LMI
up
LMI enq recvd 0, LMI stat sent  0, LMI upd sent  0
LMI DLCI 0  LMI type is ANSI Annex D  frame relay DTE
Broadcast queue 0/64, broadcasts sent/dropped 0/0, interface
broadcasts
 0
Last input 00:00:03, output 00:00:04, output hang never
Last clearing of show interface counters 2w2d
Queueing strategy: fifo
Output queue 0/40, 516 drops; input queue 0/75, 999 drops


 CL: it means that your buffers are overflowing and therefore dropping
 packets. not a lot. and to judge from your traffic, it's no big deal.

 CL: what you may want to do is issue a clear counters cokmmand, and then
 periodically check, and maybe keep a chart. I can't tell from the output
 here over how long a period of time this has been happening.



5 minute input rate 389000 bits/sec, 68 packets/sec
5 minute output rate 113000 bits/sec, 64 packets/sec
   21344933 packets input, 3254757193 bytes, 0 no buffer
   Received 0 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
   1 input errors, 0 CRC, 1 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort
   27242775 packets output, 1682958597 bytes, 0 underruns
   0 output errors, 0 collisions, 3 interface resets
   0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
   0 carrier transitions
   DCD=up  DSR=up  DTR=up  RTS=up  CTS=up
 
 
 
  I am experiencing a lot of latency on the network and I am starting to
  troubleshoote to see what could be causing it.  I noticed that on this
 link
  the inbound rate tends to spike to full line rate which may be the cause
 but
  not sure yet.
 
  Thanks.
 
  Kerpal




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RE: Access List Change [7:54901]

2002-10-04 Thread Daniel Cotts

I just lost a major reply that I had composed due to a computer lockup. So
shorter reply this time.
The static route that your European router has is correct as it is. It takes
all traffic for which it doesn't have an explicit route and passes it out to
the Internet. I'm assuming that the ip address 1.2.3.4 is a valid address of
an interface on your European ISPs router. So all traffic to the Internet
from your European office goes to their local European ISP.
Look at the syntax of a static route.
Destination network, netmask to determine what bits identify the network,
egress port. The first 0.0.0.0 means all networks. The second 0.0.0.0 means
all hosts. 1.2.3.4 seems to be your European ISP. ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0
1.2.3.4 is a good default route.
If you were to use 172.29.30.0 255.255.255.0 1.2.3.4 you would be telling
your router to find its LAN network out on the Internet. The router knows
better. It already has that network shown as directly connected. Do a show
ip route to verify.
Your statement that However, it has been configured for all Europe internet
traffic to be routed through U.S. office ... doesn't agree with the
configuration. Access-list 100 would have to send all traffic over the VPN.
It doesn't.

To verify that, check the path that traffic to the Internet takes from your
remote office. From the DOS Prompt of a European PC ping a web site such as
Cisco. ping cisco.com. You should get a reply like 198.133.219.25. Again
from the DOS Prompt do a tracert to that address. It should display the
intermediate routers. I'll bet that traffic from Europe goes out that router
to the local ISP.

No time to repeat my lost sermon on named access-lists.
Access-list 100 defines traffic that is allowed to traverse the VPN.
Access-list 101 specifies that traffic bound for the VPN tunnel should not
be NATed. All other traffic (to the ip nat outside interface (usually
Internet)) should be NATed.
For every permit statement in 100 there should be a corresponding deny in
101. 101 in addition then permits all other destinations.

Here's a tutorial on access-lists http://www.nwc.com/907/907ws1.html 

Be extremely careful about changing access-lists in the European router. If
you edit 100 you will take the VPN down. Not good if you are connected via
that VPN. Telnet to the 217.x.x.x interface of the European router from your
local router.
Consider using the reload in command. I've mentioned it previously. Look
it up in the Cisco documentation on www.cisco.com

The Firewall feature set can be used on a router with NAT and with VPNs. Not
trivial.

It would be good to remove the ip http server line.

Let us know your progress. 

May I suggest that you purchase a few books. You may only need a small bit
of it; but Routing TCP/IP Vol 1 by Jeff Doyle is a classic. Cisco Access
Lists Field Guide by Held and Hundley is quite good. It's also all on CCO -
you just have to find it. Start under Service and Support and go to the TAC
page. Look under each major area. Drill down just to see what's there.

 -Original Message-
 From: CTM CTM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 3:10 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Access List Change [7:54901]
 
 
 Hi,
 
 The router was purchased along with the Cisco firewall 
 software license. I
 figured to implement that? Otherwise I could put ISA on the 
 server out there.
 
 The security concerns are duly noted, and I won't leave the 
 office on public
 until addressed. That being said; to get them to use their 
 own internet
 portal direct I would do a:
 
 ip route 172.29.30.0 255.255.255.0 1.2.3.4
 
 and do a:
 
 no ip route  0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0
 
 is that correct?
 
 BTW, and don't laugh, I put in that last route chasing down a CPU
 utilization issue. The router was typically at 34% 
 utilization. Doing some
 research and I found that maybe packets to unclaimed 
 addressed were looping
 between internal network and ISP, and that line would throw 
 them in the bit
 bucket. So that was way out in left field wasn't it. I did solve the
 utilization issue; there was an unused ADSL module, when I 
 had that pulled
 it went down to normal.
 
 Chuck's Long Road wrote:
  
  just a quick comment or two.
  
  you are writing as if you need to do something on your routers
  other than
  change the gateway of last resort.
  
  ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 goes where?
  
  without getting into the intricacies, if you are introducing a
  new firewall
  into the europe domain, your router should have a default
  route pointing
  to the inside address of the firewall. no other configuration
  is required.
  the firewall does all the filtering. no access lists. etc. at
  least not as
  related to firewall stuff.
  
  your router would redistribute the default route information,
  or not, as
  needed.
  
  your hosts would use the particular router as their default
  gateway.
  
  if you are using your router as the firewall, then I have to
  ask - what
  happens if that 

Re: Extended Vlan across Wan [7:54866]

2002-10-04 Thread Chuck's Long Road

Thomas Larus  wrote in message
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 I think some people tend to be intimidated by ATM more than by frame relay
 because it is more expensive to get into a home lab and most of us are
less
 likely to have a job configuring ATM on a regular basis than configuring
 frame relay on a regular basis.

 Yes, I know you can get ATM in your lab with 7000s and a non-Cisco switch
at
 an almost-reasonable price, but it's still a bit much too much money, bulk
 and noise and power consumption.


CL: that's one of the downsides of my job. I'm selling a lot more ATM
related things, and generally I am responsible for writing the
configurations. I have no way of mocking up customer ATM networks in my own
lab, so I have to rely on the basics of frame relay. well, now I know enough
QoS stuff to be dangerous. ;-




 Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014

 Daren Presbitero  wrote in message
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  Chuck,
 
  I agree with you.  I worked for FORE Systems doing nothing but ATM to
the
  desktop for 4 years before moving to a company with all cisco.  Not much
  harder to understand, as long as you understand basic networking
  fundamentals and the fact that these are just 2 different technologies
 that
  have their place in the network.
 
  Daren
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
  Chuck's Long Road
  Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:28 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Extended Vlan across Wan [7:54866]
 
 
  This thread brings to mind a question I've had for a while.
 
  It appears sometimes that a lot of people think ATM is difficult to
  understand, implement, support.
 
  Why is it that?
 
  My ( albeit limited ) exposure to ATM from the customer side is that ATM
 is
  basically every bit as easy to set up and run on your typical WAN as fra
me
  relay. Yes there are some additional bells and whistles which can become
  complex as you do more complex things. And obviously, complex corporate
  networks might make use of a lot more ATM specific features.
 
  But in general, you set up the PVC's, configure the IP address ( or
enable
  bridging ) and do everything else pretty much the same was as you do
with
  frame relay.
 
  Any thoughts?
 
  Chuck
 
  --
 
  TANSTAAFL
  there ain't no such thing as a free lunch
 
 
  M.C. van den Bovenkamp  wrote in message
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   Daren Presbitero wrote:
  
Couldn't you bridge the VLAN's into an ATM 1483 bridged PVC, point
to
point across the WAN at both ends?
  
   That's how I did it when I had the need.
  
   Regards,
  
   Marco.




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