Re: [CTRL] E Timor
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: earthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Indonesia is certainly coming apart, and this can be traced directly to the imf, currency speculators and foreign interference... So El Nino and kleptocracy have nothing to do with it? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A NEW ENERGY MOTOR
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: earthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The company engineers were said (by Vermillion) to have measured an output /input ratio of 4.3 / 1. The printed literature, which I received in a Fedex packet from Vermillion states that the device can put out 500 watts (maximum) with an input of 34 watts. Ah, delivered by FedEx. That makes it official, then... For those of you who wonder why the device is not self-sustaining - oral info from Vermillion is that Minato will in the course of one of the demonstrations *remove the battery power supply* and let the device self-run - presumably with a load. Why not just drive cross-continent in a vehicle powered by the free- energy device? Demonstrations are nice; useful applications are convincing. If a free-energy device worked, some greedy capitalists would be making pile of money with it, and the big energy corporations would either have bought into it, or be out of business. Could megacorps suppress a free-energy device? In some places, for a while, sure. But suppose I'd designed such a device, and a simple method for producing it, and I don't want to be suppressed - what do I do? How about: I go to Cuba, to North Korea, to Iraq, to Burma, to 'pariah' states where international cartels don't have a lot of sway. And I pitch a plan to the ruling juntas, a plan whereby they can earn a shitload of hard currency and deal a savage blow to international capitalism at the same time. Would they go for it? Would Saddam, Castro, Kim, like to churn out a cheap product that would have great demand, that would earn a bunch of money, that would cripple the very megacorps that profit from the exploited, and that would free them from the sanctions of the international system? Probably. The U.S. is a good place to pitch bogus inventions - there are always suckers to invest. The U.S. is a good place to pitch real inventions that aren't destabilizing - more profits to be made, eh? But the U.S. is NOT a good place to pitch destabilizing inventions. If you see a demonstration in the U.S. of a device that will obviously obliterate whole industries, it's probably bogus. Much better to take it to where it'll be appreciated, eh? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NLP [att'n DASGOAT]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-09-08 21:26:37 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I responded to your post on NLP before reading its entirety, having assumed that the first 3 paragraphs were the gist of the post. I see after going through your post again that you acknowledge that NLP CAN be used in a beneficial way and so I apologize for being a little quick on the draw. S'okay. I do tend to be a stickler on some subjects. NLP has some good techniques, if understood and applied properly, but it's certainly not the only or even best tool in the toolshed for hypnotherapists (emphasis on THERAPISTS, accredited professionals.). I'm a tough critic of manipulators (most marketers of "systems" tend to fall into that class, as I've said) and almost as tough a critic of "True Believers" -- "guru-hoppers" as well as monomaniac devotees of ANY system as THE System That Will CHANGE Your Life! Like I said, I still have most of the NLP texts on my shelf, alongside Virginia Satir's "Conjoint Therapy," Gestalt therapy works, etc., but regretfully, no longer a full Erickson technical library. As information, each of these, even NLP, can contribute something to one's wider repertoire. But the usefulness of any tool, IMHO, still depends on the tool-USER, and especially his/her motives: "In the right hands, even the wrong method succeeds; in the wrong hands, even the right method fails" --Zen proverb. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why Isn't Janet Reno in Jail?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/08/1999 8:47:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who protects the civil rights of the innocent when it is the government itself who violates them? Such a strange question to come from the Conservative side. It's welcome. Don't get me wrong. If WACO managed to get someone thinking about the welfare of children (after they've been born that is), then perhaps the victims have not died in vain. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] E Timor
-Caveat Lector- Oh Ric you are so sceptical. Hey, you should start up a list. Thanks, good comments and keep us on the straight and narrow. Peter We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage - Original Message - From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] E Timor -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: earthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Indonesia is certainly coming apart, and this can be traced directly to the imf, currency speculators and foreign interference... So El Nino and kleptocracy have nothing to do with it? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The King. GWB [dallasmorningnews]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/08/1999 9:27:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "He said he is fairly certain - I mean he doesn't remember everything that happened in the 1960s - but he said he and Sid Adger never, ever talked about George W. and the Texas Air National Guard," said Jean Becker, a spokeswoman for the former president. That's right. Ex-prez Bush is one of the few folks who can't remember where he was when Kennedy was assassinated, so this little lapse is to be expected. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Don't limit Waco probe to FBI's tear-gas use
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/08/1999 3:40:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The purpose of a new probe should be to ensure American citizens that they can respect the fairness and honesty of their government. Another piecemeal investigation can never accomplish this goal. A new investigation into ""what happened in Waco'' should encompass the entire gamut of government involvement from beginning to end. How true, how true. Will anyone who expects this to happen please e-mail me now. I'm just amazed the FBI/ATF and friends didn't announce a coup d'etat. Perhaps this was just a rehearsal. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: Conspiracy Theory
-Caveat Lector- Conspiracy Theory Here's a little part of US history which makes you sit up and go h-m-m-m-m-m-m-m Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946. Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960. Both wives lost children while living in the White House. Both Presidents were shot on a Friday. Both Presidents were shot in the head. Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy. Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln. Both were assassinated by Southerners. Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson. Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908. John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839. Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939. Both assassins were known by their three names. Both names are comprised of fifteen letters. Lincoln was shot at the theater named "Kennedy". Kennedy was shot in a car called "Lincoln". Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse. Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater. Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials. And here's the kicker A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe, Maryland. A week before Kennedy was shot, he was in Marilyn Monroe. ;o)~ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Godfthers of Indonesian crisis
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/08/1999 5:59:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John Pilger Having finally discovered East Timor, most of the media have now left, blaming a "descent into violence". The long, silent years mock these words. The descent began almost a quarter of a century ago when Indonesian special forces invaded the defenceless Portuguese colony. On December 7, 1975, a lone radio voice rose and fell in the static: "The soldiers are killing indiscriminately. Women and children are being shot in the streets. This is an appeal for international help. This is an SOS - please help us." No help came, because the western democracies were secret partners in a crime as great and enduring as any this century; proportionally, not even Pol Pot matched Suharto's spree. Air Force One, carrying President Ford and his secretary of state Henry Kissinger, climbed out of Indonesian airspace the day the bloodbath began. "They came and gave Suharto the green light," Philip Liechty, the CIA desk officer in Jakarta at the time, told me. "The invasion was delayed two days so they could get the hell out. We were ordered to give the Indonesian military everything they wanted. I saw all the hard intelligence; the place was a free-fire zone. Women and children were herded into school buildings that were set alight - and all because we didn't want some little country being neutral or leftist at the United Nations." And all because western capital regarded Indonesia as a "prize". Thank you. I've been waiting days for someone to put the story so succinctly. It's amazing how easily people forget. I really like Madam Albright's stony face telling the Indonesians to restore order. No feelings at all for the East Timorese. Just "Get things in order so we can continue our exploitation in peace." Such a nice lady. Well as I've always said, anyone who thinks our State Department is interested in diplomacy has some real illusions. The Econ section is the only one that matters. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] IRS kaput?
-Caveat Lector- Thought you'd like this post. Original Message Subject: [TheEagle-L] Re: IRS kaput? Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 08:10:09 -0400 From: Susan Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe this to be true letters have appeared on the net and reports of checks being returned to senders with a letter attached stating they have no information as to money being sent. Also saw an article where the IRS fears that businesses owned by individuals will compromise its money base by failing to file after Jan 1. If this data base is gone then only those that have tax taken out of their paychecks will be in the system all others will be unknowns. Now wouldnt that be nice. There is a justice! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard a rumor that the IRS computers have been down since the start of their fiscal hear 2000, on July 1, 1999. Anyone heard of this latest Internet rumor? Brad DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] REPLY TO PUBLICEYE.ORG
-Caveat Lector- According to Edward Griffin, in his book "The Creature From Jekyll Island," pg 210, "Jacob Schiff ...was one of the principal backers of the Bolshevik revolution and personally financed Trotsky's trip from New York to Russia." pg 265 "In the February 3, 1949, issue of the New York Journal American, Schiff's grandson , John, was quoted by columnist Cholly Knickerbocker as saying that his grandfather had given about $20 million for the triumph of Communism in Russia." k you Dave for posting the comments on my work by "public eye.org" PUBLIC EYE has a problem. Either (lA) they cannot read English or (B) they have mental dyslexia My positions on topics cited are a mirror image of their reporting (l) Anti-semitic? If you read my WALL STREET AND THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION you will discover that I include an appendix to show that the Bolshevik Revolution was not (repeat NOT) a Jewlsh conspiracy.. In fact I quoteda previously unknown document from the State Dept files to show that Shifff was working against the Bolsheviks.. The revolution was financed by Wall Street gentiles as Morgan, Thompson, Thacher etc. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: SNET: Child Abuse At Waco.
-Caveat Lector- Did Bruce Duncan or anybody in this group personally study the children at the Davidian homes? If not, this is all extrapolation based on speculation. Gavin. PRELIMINARY STATEMENT CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS ON WACO Bruce Duncan Perry, M.D., Ph.D. CIVITAS Child Trauma Programs A Partnership of: CIVITAS Initiative, Baylor College of Medicine and Texas Children's Hospital DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [slickplus] Clinton to Pardon McVeigh?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-09-05 22:26:38 EDT, you write: SNETNEWS Mailing List (AP) Clinton to Pardon McVeigh By J.J. Johnson (American Provda Staff Writer) SYRACUSE (AP-Provda) In the face of mounting pressure on the Clinton Administrations offer of clemency to 16 members of the Puerto Rican terrorist group FANL, the President today offered a conditional pardon to Timothy McVeigh. In 1997, McVeigh was convicted of the 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 169 people. Joe Fatneck, the White House spokesman said the presidential pardon is merely conditional. The president is willing to grant the pardon only if Mr. McVeigh publicly blames David Koresh for the Waco fire that killed over 80 in 1993. Fatneck made the statement during the Clintons ongoing listening/campaign/hide from Congress tour. McVeigh has made no comment so far. The surprise move has caused harsh criticism from families of the survivors and law enforcement alike. Clinton is just trying to win disgruntled military votes for his wife in the [New York] senate race, said a spokesman for the retired law enforcement association. Another group's spokesman accused the president of trying to save [Janet] Renos butt over the new revelations now surfacing over the Waco standoff in 1993. It was reported that McVeigh bombed the Oklahoma Federal Building in retaliation for the fiery siege at Waco, just two years earlier. A democratic pollster who requested anonymity believes the conditional pardon for McViegh is a wise political move. When all the information about what really happened at Waco becomes public, McVeigh may seem like a hero to many New York Voters, he said. New York is McVeighs home state. He also stated, If the [New York] voters can fall for Hillary, they can fall for anything. Therefore Clinton could be placing himself in the right side of this issue. A lawyer for McVeigh said that new Waco revelation may caused an appeal to be filed in federal court. Legal experts believe the McVeigh appeal would have merit since new Waco information would prove the FBI and other Justice department officials gave false testimony at the McVeigh sentencing, thus fraudulently affecting his death sentence. The White House spokesman dismissed all notions of political posturing. The president is keeping his policy with terrorists consistent. Fatneck said a McVeigh pardon would the best way to put closure on the Oklahoma City Bombing, and to help heal the nation. Certainly, if he can pardon people for setting off over 130 bombs, he can pardon a Army Veteran for just one. American Provda News Service all right reserved. Past American Provda Articles can be found at: http://www.jj-johnson.com/www.jj-johnson.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] McVeigh's ex-attorney links bombing, Waco
-Caveat Lector- From The Oklahoman, http://www.oklahoman.com/cgi-bin/getarticle?ID=372785 - McVeigh's ex-attorney links bombing, Waco 09/09/1999 The Associated Press The attorney who defended Timothy McVeigh says he does not believe the Oklahoma City federal building would have been bombed had the entire truth about the Branch Davidian standoff near Waco, Texas, been told immediately. Attorney Stephen Jones said he agrees with federal prosecutors that the fiery end to the Waco standoff prompted the bombing. "Had the wheels of justice worked and there been an independent investigation and the responsibility assessed, there would have been no reason for an attack on the federal government in Oklahoma City," Jones told the Tulsa World for Thursday's editions. Prosecutors alleged that McVeigh was angry about how the government handled its attempt to arrest David Koresh at the Branch Davidian compound in 1993. -- Dan S DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Millennium bug dogs London Electricity
-Caveat Lector- From http://cnnfntech.newsreal.com/story/19990908/11/30/5737359_st.html - City: Millennium bug dogs London Electricity The Daily Telegraph London LONDON Electricity's millennium bug is continuing to trouble the company. Several hundred householders were left without power at one stage and hundreds of others have experienced problems because new meter power keys designed to be year 2000 compliant, failed to work. The company has suspended the issue of keys designed to ensure meters could comfortably cope with tariff changes after January 1, and is continuing to issue the old, unbugged keys. The keys, charged with credit, enable 400,000 householders to pay for electricity as they use it. Software problems are being blamed, but London admits there have also been problems involving training agents issuing the keys. The bug struck last month when London suspended the issue of the new-style keys after being inundated with complaints and being forced to send emergency teams into homes to restore supplies and get meters working again. A spokesman said yesterday it was unlikely the new keys would be back on the market before the end of the month. Software programs, loaded into the new keys to make the meters bug-free, are being changed by the manufacturers Schlumberger and Siemens to ease the headache. London also discovered that the new- style key supplied by Siemens did not work because it was faulty. The German supplier is now supplying "a whole new batch of keys". The French-owned company is paying compensation to customers and trying to provide reassurance to householders that the bug will be under control when they get their next set of keys. A spokesman said that other electricity suppliers had experienced similar meter headaches, although conceded they were not on London's scale. "We have many more householders using meters because of London's different social problems," he added. (Copyright 1999 (c) The Telegraph plc, London) _via IntellX_ Publication Date: September 08, 1999 Powered by NewsReal's IndustryWatch -- Dan S DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FBI says illumination flares fired to monitor compound
-Caveat Lector- From Tampa Bay Online, http://www.tampabayonline.net/news/news102c.htm - 9/9/99 -- 6:31 AM Report: FBI says illumination flares fired to monitor compound --- DALLAS (AP) - A spent illumination flare found in evidence stored after the Branch Davidian tragedy may have been one of two such devices fired by FBI agents to stop an intruder from entering the sect's compound during the early days of the standoff, The Dallas Morning News reported today. Two of the flares were fired as members of the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team kept watch over the compound near Waco, FBI spokesman John Collingwood told the newspaper. ``From talking to people in our Hostage Rescue Team, at one time, when your floodlight illumination was not active, they shot two parachute illumination rounds because of concern about people trying to sneak into the compound,'' he said. Texas Rangers discovered the spent remains of one of the devices, a star parachute flare, when they searched a Waco storage facility Friday for missing pyrotechnic tear-gas grenades. James Francis Jr., chairman of the Texas Public Safety Commission, said the discovery was troubling because the government had powerful spotlights trained on the Davidian compound during most of the 51-day standoff and would not have needed a flare to light up the area. Collingwood said none of the devices were used by the Hostage Rescue Team on April 19, 1993, the day the Branch Davidian compound burned, killing David Koresh and about 80 followers. The government has maintained the Branch Davidians deliberately set the fires. An independent review of the standoff has been ordered by Attorney General Janet Reno. A major focus of the investigation will be whether the FBI fired flammable devices into the compound and why it took six years to acknowledge the use of military tear-gas canisters. Copyright 1999 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. -- Dan S DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ten Rules for Dating My Daughter
-Caveat Lector- Rule One: If you pull into my driveway and honk you'd better be delivering a package, because you're sure not picking anything up. Rule Two: You do not touch my daughter in front of me. You may glance at her, so long as you do not peer at anything below her neck. If you cannot keep your eyes or hands off of my daughter's body, I will remove them. Rule Three: I am aware that it is considered fashionable for boys of your age to wear their trousers so loosely that they appear to be falling off their hips. Please don't take this as an insult, but you and all of your friends are complete idiots. Still, I want to be fair and open minded about this issue, so I propose this compromise: You may come to the door with your underwear showing and your trousers ten sizes too big, and I will not object. However, in order to ensure that your clothes do not, in fact, come off during the course of your date with my daughter, I will take my electric nail gun and fasten your trousers securely in place to your waist. Rule Four: I'm sure you've been told that in today's world, sex without utilizing a "barrier method" of some kind can kill you. Let me elaborate, when it comes to sex, I am the barrier, and I will kill you. Rule Five: It is usually understood that in order for us to get to know each other, we should talk about sports, politics, and other issues of the day. Please do not do this. The only information I require from you is an indication of when you expect to have my daughter safely back at my house, and the only word I need from you on this subject is "early." Rule Six: I have no doubt you are a popular fellow, with many opportunities to date other girls. This is fine with me as long as it is okay with my daughter. Otherwise, once you have gone out with my little girl, you will continue to date no one but her until she is finished with you. If you make her cry, I will make you cry. Rule Seven: As you stand in my front hallway, waiting for my daughter to appear, and more than an hour goes by, do not sigh and fidget. If you want to be on time for the movie, you should not be dating. My daughter is putting on her makeup, a process that can take longer than painting the Golden Gate Bridge. Instead of just standing there, why don't you do something useful, like changing the oil in my car? Rule Eight: The following places are not appropriate for a date with my daughter: Places where there are beds, sofas, or anything softer than a wooden stool. Places where there are no parents, policemen, or nuns within eyesight. Places where there is darkness. Places where there is dancing, holding hands, or happiness. Places where the ambient temperature is warm enough to induce my daughter to wear shorts, tank tops, midriff T-shirts, or anything other than overalls, a sweater, and a goose down parka - zipped up to her throat. Movies with a strong romantic or sexual theme are to be avoided; movies which features chain saws are okay. Hockey games are okay. Old folks homes are better. Rule Nine: Do not lie to me. I may appear to be a pot-bellied, balding, middle-aged, dim-witted has-been. But on issues relating to my daughter, I am the all-knowing, merciless god of your universe. If I ask you where you are going and with whom, you have one chance to tell me the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I have a shotgun, a shovel, and five acres behind the house. Do not trifle with me. Rule Ten: Be afraid. Be very afraid. It takes very little for me to mistake the sound of your car in the driveway for a chopper coming in over a rice paddy near Hanoi. When my Agent Orange starts acting up, the voices in my head frequently tell me to clean the guns as I wait for you to bring my daughter home. As soon as you pull into the driveway you should exit your car with both hands in plain sight. Speak the perimeter password, announce in a clear voice that you have brought my daughter home safely and early, then return to your car - there is no need for you to come inside. The camouflaged face at the window is MINE! __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html
[CTRL] Answering machine messages
-Caveat Lector- These are actual answering machine greetings recorded verified by the World Famous International Institute of Answering Machine Answers. 1. My wife I can't come to the phone right now, but if you'll leave your name number we'll get back to you as soon as we're finished. 2. A is for academics, B is for beer. One of those reasons is why we're not here. So leave a message. 3. Hi. This is John: If you are the phone company, I already sent the money. If you are my parents, please send money. If you are my financial aid institution, you didn't lend me enough money. If you are my friends, you owe me money. If you are a female, don't worry I have plenty of money. 4. Hi. Now you say something. 5. Hi, I'm not home right now but my answering machine is, so you can talk to it instead. Wait for the beep. 6. Hello. I am David's answering machine. What are you? 7. (In Asian Accent): He-lo! This is Sa-to, If you leave message, I call you soon. If you leave "sexy" message I call sooner! 8. Hi. John's answering machine is broken. This is the refrigerator. Please speak very slowly, I'll stick your message to myself with one of these magnets. 9. Hello, you are talking to a machine. I am capable of receiving messages. My owners do not need siding, windows, or a hot tub, their carpets are clean. They give to charity through their office do not need their picture taken. If you're still with me, leave your name number they will get back to you. 10. This is not an answering machine this is a telepathic thought-recording device. After the tone, think about your name, your reason for calling a number where I can reach you, I'll think about returning your call. 11. Hi. I am probably home. I'm just avoiding someone I don't like. Leave me a message, if I don't call back, it's you. 12. Hi, this is George. I'm sorry I can't answer the phone right now. Leave a message, then wait by your phone until I call you back. 13. If you are a burglar, then we're probably home cleaning our weapons right now can't come to the phone. Otherwise, we probably aren't home it's safe to leave a message. 14. Please leave a message. However, you have the right to remain silent. Everything you say will be recorded will be used by us. 15. Hello, you've reached Jim Sonya. We can't pick up the phone right now because we're doing something we really enjoy. Sonya likes doing it up down, I like doing it left to right...real slow..So leave a message, when we get done brushing our teeth we'll get back to you. __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] March Against West Virginia Mountaintop Removal (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 08:12:40 -0400 From: DAMN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DAMN: 21-AUG-1999: March Against West Virginia Mountaintop Removal Title: March Against West Virginia Mountaintop Removal Date: 21-AUG-1999 Author: Vivian Stockman Source: Graffiti Magazine, http://www.grafwv.com Style: First person account From July 7 to August 21, opponents of mountaintop removal walked 490 miles across West Virginia, from Harpers Ferry to Huntington. Organized by the Ohio Valley Environmental Coalition (OVEC), dozens of folks, including novelist and gubernatorial candidate Denise Giardina and her campaign manager Vince George, walked to raise awareness about the ecocide known as mountaintop removal mining. Larry Gibson, 53, was with the "Walk for the Mountains" the entire way. National and international TV news shows have broadcast images from Kayford Mountain, his ancestral home in the coalfields. Julian Martin, 62, walked from the start until August 5. Julians coal-miner grandfather fought in the Battle of Blair Mountain and his father lost an eye in the coal mines. Artist Carol Jackson displayed her "mountaintop removal cemetery" at stops along the walk. Each of the 1,025 tombstones in the mock graveyard represent one of West Virginias streams, mountains or communities that has been leveled, buried or severely impacted by mountaintop removal. Aug. 12: Driving up Kayford Mountain at 2 a.m. (we couldnt miss the Perseid meteor showers), bats swooped above us, lucky to have food and habitat here in WVs southern coalfields. Around Kayford, mountaintop removal operations have turned square miles of forests, streams, mountains and valleys into dusty piles of lifeless rock. Here and there, patches of "reclaimed" land sport grasses that not even cattle will eat. Scrub trees grow on a very few spots. It will be centuries if ever before the vibrant diversity of life returns to these once beautiful mountains. On the steep road up the mountain, we pulled aside to allow coal trucks to pass, their brakes screeching like some sort of tortured whale song. Dust boiled all around us, causing a "whiteout" at night. On top of Kayford, we camped under a shelter so we could watch for meteors. While my friend D.L. slept, a continuous loud, low-pitched rumble, interspersed with the groaning and beep-beep-beep of backing vehicles, kept me awake. Early the next morning, Larry came out of his cousins modest cabin, glad to see more people ready to join the walk. Rick Eades, a hydrogeologist with WV Citizens Action Group (CAG), had arrived the night before. There was reason for them to be concerned for their safety: A handful of miners from the nearby Samples Mine had promised to rough Larry up. Some miners blame environmentalists for layoffs, some of which came on the heels of the mountaintop removal lawsuit. The WV Highlands Conservancy and a few coalfield residents filed the lawsuit after decades of governmental regulators and mine operators failing to follow state and federal mining laws. Low coal demand and increasing mechanization have resulted in many layoffs. Despite industry claims that coal provides prosperity, these coal-rich counties have some of the highest poverty rates and some of the worst infrastructure and school systems in the state. We drove down the mountain to the walks starting point, Kayford Freewill Baptist Church, about the only structure left in the "town." We waited for others who had promised to walk. As coal trucks rumbled by, we thought about passing the Samples Mine entrance. Soon, 20 people gathered at the church, including James and Sibby Weekly, Blair residents who are litigants in the lawsuit. Like Larry, they have been harassed and intimidated for daring to take a stand against the eco-slaughter. TV news crews also joined us. We gathered up the state flag and a "Stop Mountaintop Removal" sign and walked about six hours from Kayford to Sharon, along the Cabin Creek hollow. At least 150 coal trucks passed us as we walked on the edge of the narrow road. The trucks, weighing about 30 tons empty and more than 100 tons full, lumbered over little bridges where posted weight limits were 8 or 12 tons. At least 50 other trucks rolled by, carrying fuel, explosives and pieces of huge equipment to the mine sites. Our steps were buoyed by the presence of four teenagers and three children. Most of the kids live in Kayford and Red Warrior, communities that, as mining intensified, shriveled like the mountains around them. Larry told the kids he was walking for them, for their futures. The Samples Mine employs five family members of one of the teenagers walking with us. Still, she walked because she has lived with the effects of mountaintop removal the devastated landscape, the noise, the dust, the cracked foundations and dried-up wells. She refuses to buy the argument that we must choose
[CTRL] Fw: [BRC-NEWS] The Capitalist Music Industry is Obsolete (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:10:09 -0700 Subject: Fw: [BRC-NEWS] The Capitalist Music Industry is Obsolete Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:52:24 -0500 -Original Message- From: Music and Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 4:38 PM Subject: [BRC-NEWS] The Capitalist Music Industry is Obsolete http://www.lrna.org/league/mr/mr3a.html August 29, 1999 Music Revolution 3 THE CAPITALIST MUSIC INDUSTRY IS OBSOLETE: WHAT CAN TAKE ITS PLACE? A music industry that prices music out of the reach of tens of millions of people, intentionally keeps most music off the radio, and censors musicians has clearly outlived its usefulness. A music industry that gets laws passed to prevent the distribution of music by computer technology, makes music a slave to the whims of Wall Street, and would rather work with the FBI to combat "piracy" than put money into artistic development is not only obsolete, it's dangerous. The beauty and power of music can no longer co-exist with the corruption and greed of the capitalist music industry. These harsh assessments may seem hard to accept, since the rise of the popular music that dominates most of the world today has been closely linked to the rise of post-war capitalism and to thousands of music business entrepreneurs. The Post-War Music Industry As rock and soul music emerged in the 1950s, new record labels took the stage and made the new sounds available at affordable prices. Clear channel radio stations beamed music from the deep South out across the country. Even payola--the payment of bribes by the record companies to get records played on the radio--had a positive aspect. Payola helped to break down many of the barriers in the broadcast industry, allowing the music of Southern blacks and whites to break out and become the raw material of an emerging culture. Entrepreneurs were indispensable to this process. Although they brutally exploited artists, the owners of record labels and radio stations helped to create and shape a previously non-existent teen market (the idea that youth has a culture of its own did not exist before the 1950s). The emergence of the teen market was an important step in the evolution of today's revolutionary youth culture. However, the music we take for granted today did not emerge peacefully. In the 1950s, there were constant attacks on music by politicians, the media, police, district attorneys, the Klan, and the church. In the late 1960s, a concert industry developed which brought a variety of artists into every town in America with a decent-sized theater at an affordable price. At the same time, both national record store chains and a new breed of independent record stores brought a diversity of recorded music within driving distance of most Americans. The strength of the U.S. economy--not just high profits but the growth of jobs and even welfare benefits--allowed music to develop as it did. For the first twenty-five years of the rock soul era, the stock market allowed music companies to raise the capital they needed to fund an infrastructure that brought music to almost everyone. It allowed corporations to raise the money they needed to build the factories and offices that kept us employed. Those jobs provided the money we needed to buy records and concert tickets. In the 1980s, entrepreneurs made sure that new styles of music became widely available and, in the most striking example of that process, rap was transformed from a New York neighborhood phenomenon into an international language of the greatest importance. The Worm Turns The 90s has seen a resumption of the full-scale war against music that took place in the 50s. Once again, politicians, the media, the police, district attorneys, and the church are attacking music, blaming it for everything from drug use to the depressed state of the economy. But there is a very important difference today. The same music industry that helped make our culture possible has become one of the foremost obstacles to getting music heard. High Retail Prices Although total manufacturing cost for a CD is around 50 cents per disc, the consumer pays up to $20 for it. In a world where 3 billion people live in poverty (including 80 million people in the U.S.), many music fans can no longer afford to buy the music they love. Live Music Many concert tours now have average ticket prices of over $100. Ticketmaster surcharges are now sometimes more than the price of a concert ticket itself was only a few years ago. With millions of Americans who used to enjoy a night out now living in poverty, many clubs have gone out of business. Those that remain often force bands to pay for the privilege of playing while fans suffer from high cover charges and drink prices. Many clubs have become dependent on tobacco company promotion money and, as a result, musicians must promote lung
[CTRL] US Complicity in Timor (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:02:12 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: US Complicity in Timor Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:04:32 -0500 Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] While the Indonesian military's thugs continue their rampage in East Timor, most foreign reporters have fled the country. As of September 7, frequent Nation contributor and award-winning journalist Allan Nairn was believed to be the only US reporter still there. Nairn left the besieged UN compound and walked the streets of Dili, where he hid in abandoned houses as he observed troops and militia burning and looting. Nairn has been writing about the troubles there for years. In 1991, after being badly beaten by Indonesian troops while witnessing the massacre of several hundred East Timorese, he was declared a "threat to national security" and banned from the country. He has entered several times illegally since then. In his most recent Nation dispatch from East Timor, on March 30, 1998, Nairn disclosed the continuing US military training of Indonesian troops implicated in the torture and killing of civilians. He filed this report by satellite telephone to The Nation through Amy Goodman, host of Pacifica Radio's Democracy Now! --The Editors Dili, East Timor It is by now clear to most East Timorese and a few Westerners still left here that the militias are a wing of the TNI/ABRI, the Indonesian armed forces. Recently, for example, I was picked up by militiamen who turned out to be working for a uniformed colonel of the National Police. [Editors' note: The Indonesian government has denied any connection between the militias and either the police or the military.] But there is another important political fact that is not known here or in the international community. Although the US government has publicly reprimanded the Indonesian Army for the militias, the US military has, behind the scenes and contrary to Congressional intent, been backing the TNI. US officials say that this past April, as militia terror escalated, a top US officer was dispatched to give a message to Jakarta. Adm. Dennis Blair, the US Commander in Chief of the Pacific, leader of all US military forces in the Pacific region, was sent to meet with General Wiranto, the Indonesian armed forces commander, on April 8. Blair's mission, as one senior US official told me, was to tell Wiranto that the time had come to shut the militia operation down. The gravity of the meeting was heightened by the fact that two days before, the militias had committed a horrific machete massacre at the Catholic church in Liquiccedil;a, Timor. YAYASAN HAK, a Timorese human rights group, estimated that many dozens of civilians were murdered. Some of the victims' flesh was reportedly stuck to the walls of the church and a pastor's house. But Admiral Blair, fully briefed on Liquiccedil;a, quickly made clear at the meeting with Wiranto that he was there to reassure the TNI chief. According to a classified cable on the meeting, circulating at Pacific Command headquarters in Hawaii, Blair, rather than telling Wiranto to shut the militias down, instead offered him a series of promises of new US assistance. According to the cable, which was drafted by Col. Joseph Daves, US military attacheacute; in Jakarta, Admiral Blair "told the armed forces chief that he looks forward to the time when [the army will] resume its proper role as a leader in the region. He invited General Wiranto to come to Hawaii as his guest in conjunction with the next round of bilateral defense discussions in the July-August '99 time frame. He said Pacific command is prepared to support a subject matter expert exchange for doctrinal development. He expects that approval will be granted to send a small team to provide technical assistance to police and...selected TNI personnel on crowd control measures." Admiral Blair at no point told Wiranto to stop the militia operation, going the other way by inviting him to be his personal guest in Hawaii. Blair told Wiranto that the United States would initiate this new riot-control training for the Indonesian armed forces. This was quite significant, because it would be the first new US training program for the Indonesian military since 1992. Although State Department officials had been assured in writing that only police and no soldiers would be part of this training, Blair told Wiranto that, yes, soldiers could be included. So although Blair was sent in with the mission of telling Wiranto to shut the militias down, he did the opposite. Indonesian officers I spoke to said Wiranto was delighted by the meeting. They took this as a green light to proceed with the militia operation. The only reference in the classified cable to the militias was the following: "Wiranto was emphatic: as long as East Timor is an integral part of the territory of Indonesia, Armed Forces have responsibility to maintain peace and stability in the region.
Re: [CTRL] textbook propaganda (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:37:59 -070 From Sean: Well. My senior honors government/economics class is well into the first chapter now, and something's disturbed me about our textbook. Section 3 of the book gives a basic run down of different economic systems and how they work. There is a section for Democratic Socialism, it states how it works, gives some of the pros, then a few cons. There is a section on Communism, it states how it works, gives a couple pros, and a buttload of cons. Then there is a section on capitalism. Capitalism is described at length as far as it's basic functions and how it relates to the state, then it lists a whole shitload of pros...but zero cons. With bias and propaganda even in simple school textbooks, it's no wonder that we have such a hard time getting people to listen to us. This is part of the root of out problem, and it needs to be fought. Ah yes the ol' textbook = capitalist propaganda thing. Yep that is what they are for unfortunately. It is difficult to find a textbook at for high school that doesn't laud the "great" achievements of capitalism. And usually with the textbook you get teachers that just repeat what the holy book has given them. All too sad. But really that is what these subjects were created for. To teach you a little something about the world (but not too much!) and instill the idea that system is the best ever and it has no flaws, except maybe things like labor and environmental laws, taxes etc. Given the fact that the majority of people don't go to college and possibly have these walls broken down (though this doesn't mean that people in college don't continue to think the same as they do in high school) it builds a good core of people who don't question the system. Partly because they are not given the knowledge to so by our school system. This is what Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci calls "bourgeois hegemony". And it is all too real. But things like the historical profession were created just for the exact reason of spreading nationalism. Before the 19th century there was no "history profession" i.e. where you go to college to get a piece of paper that says you are a professional historian. In the 19th c. in Germany and later in this country the historical profession was started to spread nationalism, and of course capitalism (just like in the Soviet Union, textbooks praised the greatness of the Soviet socialist system. All they taught about the US was that it had homeless people and racism). But that is what the historical profession was about until around the 1960s where history was used at a increasingly to critique the system, rather than support it. But many textbooks have missed this revolution in the profession and I think by conscious choice. I don't think it is a conspiracy by the government, schools, or teachers, but I do think that textbooks that do show a different viewpoint, that is if you can find one, are seen as too controversial and frankly I don't know of many k-12 teachers who could handle anything different than what the textbook gives. They just don't have the knowledge to teach anything different from the "party line." I have always thought that Zinn's _People's History of the US_ would make a fine high school history textbook. But I don't see many schools adopting that book as an alternative viewpoint. I have always thought that there should be an attempt to show both sides in order to emphasize critical thinking skills (really in my opinion what the high schools should be teaching) and that subjects like history and political science are interpretations, not science based on facts. There are no meaningful facts in history "But if the designing of the future and the proclamation of the ready-made solutions for all times is not our affair, then we realize all the more clearly what we have to accomplish in the present--I am speaking of a ruthless criticism of everything existing, ruthless in two senses: The criticism must not be afraid of its own conclusions, nor of conflict with the powers that be." -- K. Marx ** David McReynolds for President! ** -- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL
[CTRL] Colombian diaspora (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:14:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Kari Garcia-Fisher -- Below is a September 5 story from the Bergen Record Online about the growing number of Colombians who are fleeing to the United States on tourist visas to escape the escalating violence in Colombia. Walter Ewing, Program Director National Citizenship Network Immigration Refugee Services of America (IRSA) 1717 Massachusetts Avenue, NW, Suite 200 Washington, DC 20036 Tel.: (202) 797-2105 Fax: (202) 797-0837 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.irsa-uscr.org/NatCitCol.htm Bergen Record Online Sunday, September 5, 1999 Refugees abandon comfort, and chaos By ELIZABETH LLORENTE Staff Writer In Colombia, she sent her children to the best schools and dressed them in the finest clothes. There, she was a respected scientist and ran a thriving catering business. In Colombia, she owned an airy home amid rolling pastures. There, she could electrify a room with her oratory. In exile, the North Jersey mother has put her children to bed hungry. Here, she is an anonymous factory worker who borrows money for basic toiletries. She lives in a dark, musty basement. She cries when she cannot find the English words to answer a child's simple question. But the plunge from middle-class comfort to immigrant struggle is the price that she and thousands of fellow Colombians are opting to pay as they flee the chaos in their homeland. The economy has taken a dive, and bloodletting tied to the 35-year-old civil war has soared. The Colombian diaspora is streaming by the thousands into New Jersey and other states where their compatriots have established communities. The ranks include mostly college-educated entrepreneurs and professionals who officially are arriving as tourists. But off the radar, they are driving taxis, sweeping office buildings, and laying tiles as they build new lives. Leaders of old Colombian enclaves predict that soon schools, social service agencies, and the rest of society will feel the impact of the new arrivals through their sheer numbers. "It got intolerable in my land," said the Hackensack woman who, like others who plan to overstay their tourist visas, spoke on condition of anonymity. She fled this spring, she said, after guerrillas tried to extort money from her and she witnessed the fatal shooting of a poultry-business owner who refused to give money to the rebels. "You live correctly all your life, pay taxes, do the right things," said the woman, who is 32, "and yet your life is constantly threatened and the Colombian government cannot protect you." Until recently, Marxist-Leninist guerrillas were relegated to the remote hills of Colombia. Then they acquired a brazen visibility, even roaming around cities. Today, the guerrillas, known as the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, control nearly half the country. They have embarked on a terrorizing campaign of kidnapping and extortion to finance their civil war, which has killed 30,000 people. Their victims have included Americans as well. Paramilitaries, funded by wealthy landowners, are hunting down civilians suspected of supporting the guerrillas and forcing them from their homes or killing them. Then there is Colombia's enduring scarlet letter -- the drug empire, as powerful as ever and in league with the guerrillas. "To stay in Colombia today is a death sentence," said the Rev. Hernan Arias of St. Anthony's Church in Passaic, a Colombian native. "The country is out of control." Adding to the crisis is Colombia's ailing economy. The country is mired in its worst recession since the 1930s, with an unemployment rate of 20 percent and a $34 billion foreign debt. "With all the problems, it's hard to pinpoint people's departures to one possible cause," said Edgar Nunez of the Fundacion Colombia, a North Bergen-based civic organization. New arrivals head for existing enclaves The 1990 Census put the Colombian population in New Jersey at 56,000. Community leaders generally agree that the population today is about 100,000. They estimate that hundreds -- some venture thousands -- have arrived in New Jersey since the spring with intentions to stay. In the tradition of other immigrant groups in U.S. history, Colombians are streaming into areas -- such as Hackensack, Englewood, Elizabeth, Dover, and Morristown -- where their compatriots already have established enclaves. The U.S. Embassy in Bogota issued 91,358 visas -- mostly for tourism -- between May and August, according to the State Department in Washington. During the same period in 1998, the embassy issued 70,225. U.S. officials are hesitant to declare a significant Colombian influx just yet. Officials say that only after tourism visas expire -- after about six months -- will they be able to determine
[CTRL] FW: CNRT (EAST TIMOR): HELP US NOW OR THERE WILL BE NO TIMOR TOMO RROW (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 -Original Message- From: Green Left Parramatta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 8:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CNRT (EAST TIMOR): HELP US NOW OR THERE WILL BE NO TIMOR TOMORROW CNRT National Council for Timorese Resistance MEDIA RELEASE For immediate release: 1130 AustralianEST, Wednesday 8 September 1999 "The international community must intervene immediately...or there will be no East Timor." STATEMENT BY: João Carrascalão Head of CNRT in Australia President of UDT (Timorese Democratic Union) The Field Commander of Falintil, Taun Matan Ruak, called today from his base in the mountains of East Timor. He made an impassioned plea for help and detailed further atrocities committed by the Indonesian military machine as it continues its genocide and ethnic cleansing program. Taun Matan Ruak said: "The international community must intervene urgently in East Timor -- or tomorrow there will be no Timor to save. "I call on Timorese everywhere to mobilise to press in every way they can for international intervention." Taun Matan Ruak made a special appeal to Australia: "Our thanks to you for what you are doing. But we need more help. Do not forget, Australia, that we were there to help when Australia needed us, dying in these very mountains to save Australian troops." The situation in Dili: "It is chaotic. People are fleeing to the mountains, being arrested, killed and forced on to trucks to go to West Timor. "Some East Timorese in the police force have been murdered, some have fled to the mountains to join us. "Indonesia is disarming Battalion 744 (an East Timorese territorial battalion); the Indonesians do not trust them." The situation in the Districts: Suai: "The Indonesians attacked and destroyed the church at Suai yesterday. Of 2000 people taking refuge there, they will 100-200, including two priests and two nuns." Ermera: "They attacked the church. All the priest and nuns and everyone sheltering there fled to a hiding place and are safe at present. Commander Ular (the local Falintil commander) says they are seeking safety in the mountains." Manatuto: "The church was attacked. Father Domingos and the people sheltering there escaped to the mountains. Father Eduardo and another group are also on their way into the mountains. Laleia, Ossu and Venilale: "Some residents and some local armed people got away from the military. We are trying to find them to stop them sacrificing themselves in a hopeless local fight back. That is going to be difficult; they are very determined people." The situation in the mountains: "There are tens of thousands of refugees in the mountains now; they are in a terrible situation. "They are hungry, thirsty, sick and in abject misery. "The roads are blocked, food is very short already. "We are hungry, but we are doing everything we can to save our people." FURTHER INFORMATION: João Carrascalão, CNRT Spokesperson in Australia. Tel: (02) 9823 5616, Mobile: 0418 767 101 Issued on behalf of CNRT by Geoffrey Heard Associates Melbourne, AUSTRALIA GHA provides this service free to aid the suffering people of East Timor. . . . . . . CNRT National Council for Timorese Resistance MEDIA RELEASE For immediate release: 0930 AustralianEST, Wednesday 8 September 1999 Indonesia's ethnic cleansing target: kill 344,580 East Timorese STATEMENT BY: João Carrascalão Head of CNRT in Australia President of UDT (Timorese Democratic Union) Hitler would be envious -- just 96 hours after the United Nations declared that 78.5 per cent of East Timorese had voted for freedom from Indonesian oppression, the fascist Indonesian military machine and its civil government collaborators like Foreign Minister, Ali Alatas, are well on their way to their target of exterminating 344,580 East Timorese. They will also kill tens of thousands more -- innocent children. These people will die, shot, hacked, tortured, raped and starved to death, unless the free, democratic nations of the world confront Indonesia today, in every international forum and on the ground in East Timor. The figure of 344,580 is the number of people who voted for independence in the UN ballot, trusting in the assurances of sincere workers for the United Nations and from governments, including Australia and Portugal, that they could vote in safety and live to enjoy freedom afterwards. But documents circulated in the Indonesian military and auxiliary pseudo-militia forces before the ballot said that those voting should be carefully noted, and every voter for independence should be wiped out after the ballot ... regardless of the result. Those plans were put into action within an hour of the declaration of the ballot. In the 1970s, 200,000 East Timorese died when the the Indonesian military dictatorship launched an all-out campaign against the independence movement. That kept the lid on the
[CTRL] HateWatch News and Updates (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: 9 Sep 1999 01:25:50 - From: HateWatch Updates [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: HateWatch News and Updates HateWatch Updates - http://hatewatch.org **HateWatch Interview with Lisa Cherniak of Artists Against Racism** Lisa Cherniak, a Canadian journalist and organizer with Artists Against Racism (AAR), talks with HateWatch about her civil rights work. AAR is an international, educational, non-profit organization where musicians, actors, writers and performing artists lend their names and voices to speak out against racism and serve as role models to young people. According to Ms. Cherniak, the aim of AAR is to combat racial and religious prejudice which the young often learn from their friends, society, peer pressure, parents, and racist music which unfortunately has a substantial presence on the web. http://hatewatch.org/ __ HateWatch News for September 9, 1999 **Racist party gains in Germany** Though it was predicted that the popularity of the ruling Social Democrats is on the decline, the weekend defeat of the German Chancellor, Mr. Schroeder's, party in two key State elections in Brandenburg and Saarland has caused much consternation. To Rub salt in the wound, the extreme right racist `German Peoples Union' has made impressive strides. The voters in the State elections are not impressed with Mr. Schroeder's proposed economic reforms, highlighted by drastic cuts in by drastic cuts in welfare and social security spending. http://www.indiaserver.com/thehindu/1999/09/08/stories/03080009.htm **Witness recounts fatal attack outside gay bar** Tim Carroll said that when he first heard Edgard Mora say the word "faggot" near a South of Market leather bar, all he wanted to do was get away. "Just leave me alone,' I said. I could see the door to the bar, it was just feet away now," Carroll testified Tuesday. Then, "I heard this cracking sound, it was loud enough to make me reel and go "What was that?' " The sound was Mora's fist hitting Brian Wilmes' jaw. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/examiner/hotnews/stories/08/mora.dtl **Vandals paint swastikas, KKKs on cars, houses** IIinois Police were searching Monday for vandals who painted swastikas and KKK symbols on cars and homes in a racially diverse neighborhood over the weekend. While several of those targeted are black and Hispanic,two others are white, police said. http://www.courierpress.com:80/cgi-bin/view.cgi?199909/07+vandals_news.html+19990907+news **Hackers put racist, anti-government slogans on embassy site** Hackers hit a Web site for the U.S. embassy in China Tuesday, replacing its home page with racist and anti-government statements. A group named Level Seven Crew claimed responsibility on the page for the prank, making references to bombing China and a "war of skill" with hackers started by the FBI. http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9909/07/embassy.hack/index.html __ To unsubscribe, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Messenger Service lets you stay in touch instantly with your family friends - Visit http://messenger.msn.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Physicist Explains the Fireball at Waco That Killed ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/08/1999 7:03:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok Prudy...enough about the children being killed by the feds...Koresh and the parents of these children put them in this situation, where is the outrage at the parents??? "Personal responsibility" right I'm afraid I'm fresh out of outrage at the parents. Nobody has yet convinced me that people should not live in religious communities of their own choosing. No one has yet convinced me that police cannot make arrests the old fashioned way, by going up to a door and knocking and telling the individual they are charging with a crime to come down town with them. Personal responsibility is something that our justice department agencies need to consider as well. There was a time when our law enforcement people at all levels were respected. Now all they engender is fear. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] GAVIN PHILLIPS-- REPLY TO PUBLICEYE.ORG
-Caveat Lector- Thank you Gavin for pointing out these apparent discrepancies Let me try to explain the problem. Ive been working away at this conspiracy area in its various aspects since about 1960, and so has Ed Griffin, whom I have known for 20+ years with much respect . Back in the early 1970's I worked through the State Department Decimal file ( the CIA of 1920), the files of the War Trade Board, the British Foreign Office Confidential files and the German OKW files.. If you look at my WALL STREET AND THE BOLSEHVIK REVOLUTION( Buccaneers Book) and AMERICAS SECRET ESTABLISHMENT ( LIBERTY HOUSE PRESS) you will find I base the case on ORIGINAL documents (telegrams, letters, memos, SB membership list etc). No one has ever refuted these documents. From the research viewpoint it leaves open whether Schiff and Jewish bankers. also financed the Bolsheviks. If you read the appendix in BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION you will find a review of the Jewish banker argument .At that time I had no evidence that they provided any funds and I still have no documentary evidence. However I did find disinformation coming out of the WAR TRADE BAORD directed by John Foster Dulles, close to the Wall Street operators (Morgan, Thompson, Thacher)o. This is confirmed in the Scotland Yard files. I have always based arguments on documentary evidence at hand. If anyone has documentary material contrary to my argument then I assuredly would like to see it.. On the other hand I do not rely on quotes from interested parties. In no way does this detract from the decades long work of Edward Griffin. This is a murky.field and we all, me included, tread warily. Show me some original documents, Gavin. Thank you for your interest. TONY SUTTON. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] U.S. Complicity In Timor / The NATION
-Caveat Lector- While the Indonesian military's thugs continue their rampage in East Timor, most foreign reporters have fled the country. As of September 7, frequent Nation contributor and award-winning journalist Allan Nairn was believed to be the only US reporter still there. Nairn left the besieged UN compound and walked the streets of Dili, where he hid in abandoned houses as he observed troops and militia burning and looting. Nairn has been writing about the troubles there for years. In 1991, after being badly beaten by Indonesian troops while witnessing the massacre of several hundred East Timorese, he was declared a "threat to national security" and banned from the country. He has entered several times illegally since then. In his most recent Nation dispatch from East Timor, on March 30, 1998, Nairn disclosed the continuing US military training of Indonesian troops implicated in the torture and killing of civilians. He filed this report by satellite telephone to The Nation through Amy Goodman, host of Pacifica Radio's Democracy Now! --The Editors -- -- Dili, East Timor It is by now clear to most East Timorese and a few Westerners still left here that the militias are a wing of the TNI/ABRI, the Indonesian armed forces. Recently, for example, I was picked up by militiamen who turned out to be working for a uniformed colonel of the National Police. [Editors' note: The Indonesian government has denied any connection between the militias and either the police or the military.] But there is another important political fact that is not known here or in the international community. Although the US government has publicly reprimanded the Indonesian Army for the militias, the US military has, behind the scenes and contrary to Congressional intent, been backing the TNI. US officials say that this past April, as militia terror escalated, a top US officer was dispatched to give a message to Jakarta. Adm. Dennis Blair, the US Commander in Chief of the Pacific, leader of all US military forces in the Pacific region, was sent to meet with General Wiranto, the Indonesian armed forces commander, on April 8. Blair's mission, as one senior US official told me, was to tell Wiranto that the time had come to shut the militia operation down. The gravity of the meeting was heightened by the fact that two days before, the militias had committed a horrific machete massacre at the Catholic church in Liquiça, Timor. YAYASAN HAK, a Timorese human rights group, estimated that many dozens of civilians were murdered. Some of the victims' flesh was reportedly stuck to the walls of the church and a pastor's house. But Admiral Blair, fully briefed on Liquiça, quickly made clear at the meeting with Wiranto that he was there to reassure the TNI chief. According to a classified cable on the meeting, circulating at Pacific Command headquarters in Hawaii, Blair, rather than telling Wiranto to shut the militias down, instead offered him a series of promises of new US assistance. According to the cable, which was drafted by Col. Joseph Daves, US military attaché in Jakarta, Admiral Blair "told the armed forces chief that he looks forward to the time when [the army will] resume its proper role as a leader in the region. He invited General Wiranto to come to Hawaii as his guest in conjunction with the next round of bilateral defense discussions in the July-August '99 time frame. He said Pacific command is prepared to support a subject matter expert exchange for doctrinal development. He expects that approval will be granted to send a small team to provide technical assistance to police and...selected TNI personnel on crowd control measures." Admiral Blair at no point told Wiranto to stop the militia operation, going the other way by inviting him to be his personal guest in Hawaii. Blair told Wiranto that the United States would initiate this new riot-control training for the Indonesian armed forces. This was quite significant, because it would be the first new US training program for the Indonesian military since 1992. Although State Department officials had been assured in writing that only police and no soldiers would be part of this training, Blair told Wiranto that, yes, soldiers could be included. So although Blair was sent in with the mission of telling Wiranto to shut the militias down, he did the opposite. Indonesian officers I spoke to said Wiranto was delighted by the meeting. They took this as a green light to proceed with the militia operation. The only reference in the classified cable to the militias was the following: "Wiranto was emphatic: as long as East Timor is an integral part of the territory of Indonesia, Armed Forces have responsibility to maintain peace and stability in the region. Wiranto said the military will take steps to disarm FALINTIL pro-independence group concurrently with the WANRA militia force. Admiral Blair reminded
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor
-Caveat Lector- Rush is Reich! William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/7/99 9:11:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I certainly agree that this is not a laughing matter. ...Only a sick person would post such a thing. Yeah well whatever, guess it's mighty cool to mock Chelsea Clinton while she was a mere child though? "Two-faced" double standards are the order of the day among the bible and guns set I guess... As Rush would say..."Lighten' Up Folks" And Limbaugh is ALWAYS right, isn't he? (Ooops, I forgot, he's another "fake" conservative"...sorry! Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [BRC-NEWS] The Capitalist Music Industry is Obsolete(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- ThayI am thure David Geffen hath a few thingth to thay about that William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:10:09 -0700 Subject: Fw: [BRC-NEWS] The Capitalist Music Industry is Obsolete Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:52:24 -0500 -Original Message- From: Music and Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 4:38 PM Subject: [BRC-NEWS] The Capitalist Music Industry is Obsolete http://www.lrna.org/league/mr/mr3a.html August 29, 1999 Music Revolution 3 THE CAPITALIST MUSIC INDUSTRY IS OBSOLETE: WHAT CAN TAKE ITS PLACE? A music industry that prices music out of the reach of tens of millions of people, intentionally keeps most music off the radio, and censors musicians has clearly outlived its usefulness. A music industry that gets laws passed to prevent the distribution of music by computer technology, makes music a slave to the whims of Wall Street, and would rather work with the FBI to combat "piracy" than put money into artistic development is not only obsolete, it's dangerous. The beauty and power of music can no longer co-exist with the corruption and greed of the capitalist music industry. These harsh assessments may seem hard to accept, since the rise of the popular music that dominates most of the world today has been closely linked to the rise of post-war capitalism and to thousands of music business entrepreneurs. The Post-War Music Industry As rock and soul music emerged in the 1950s, new record labels took the stage and made the new sounds available at affordable prices. Clear channel radio stations beamed music from the deep South out across the country. Even payola--the payment of bribes by the record companies to get records played on the radio--had a positive aspect. Payola helped to break down many of the barriers in the broadcast industry, allowing the music of Southern blacks and whites to break out and become the raw material of an emerging culture. Entrepreneurs were indispensable to this process. Although they brutally exploited artists, the owners of record labels and radio stations helped to create and shape a previously non-existent teen market (the idea that youth has a culture of its own did not exist before the 1950s). The emergence of the teen market was an important step in the evolution of today's revolutionary youth culture. However, the music we take for granted today did not emerge peacefully. In the 1950s, there were constant attacks on music by politicians, the media, police, district attorneys, the Klan, and the church. In the late 1960s, a concert industry developed which brought a variety of artists into every town in America with a decent-sized theater at an affordable price. At the same time, both national record store chains and a new breed of independent record stores brought a diversity of recorded music within driving distance of most Americans. The strength of the U.S. economy--not just high profits but the growth of jobs and even welfare benefits--allowed music to develop as it did. For the first twenty-five years of the rock soul era, the stock market allowed music companies to raise the capital they needed to fund an infrastructure that brought music to almost everyone. It allowed corporations to raise the money they needed to build the factories and offices that kept us employed. Those jobs provided the money we needed to buy records and concert tickets. In the 1980s, entrepreneurs made sure that new styles of music became widely available and, in the most striking example of that process, rap was transformed from a New York neighborhood phenomenon into an international language of the greatest importance. The Worm Turns The 90s has seen a resumption of the full-scale war against music that took place in the 50s. Once again, politicians, the media, the police, district attorneys, and the church are attacking music, blaming it for everything from drug use to the depressed state of the economy. But there is a very important difference today. The same music industry that helped make our culture possible has become one of the foremost obstacles to getting music heard. High Retail Prices Although total manufacturing cost for a CD is around 50 cents per disc, the consumer pays up to $20 for it. In a world where 3 billion people live in poverty (including 80 million people in the U.S.), many music fans can no longer afford to buy the music they love. Live Music Many concert tours now have average ticket prices of over $100. Ticketmaster surcharges are now sometimes more than the price of a concert ticket itself was only a few years ago. With millions of Americans who used to enjoy a night out now living in poverty, many clubs have gone out of business. Those that remain often force
[CTRL] The Balkanization of the World
-Caveat Lector- Watching world events unfold in recent weeks, I found myself wondering (not for the first time) how many of the world's nations will survive the first decade of the 21st century in their present borders. In the ten years since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the subsequent bizarre reunification of Germany, the shape of world politics has undergone a sea-change--a change guided and motivated by international finances, seemingly aimed at the dismantlement of ethnically-plural states in favor of ethnic and linguistic nationalism. I'm reminded of Clemenceau's remark at Versailles: "What, must every little language have its own nation?" The answer, courtesy of the IMF and the NWO, is clearly "Yes." The barbarous actions by the Indonesian armed forces in East Timor, horrible as they are, are in part an attempt to stem the tide of ethnic division being forced on Indonesia by the IMF. Setting aside the elements of racism, religious hatred, and sheer greed in the soldiers' actions, the brutal repression of the internationally-sanctioned East Timorese drive for independence is aimed at preventing the inevitable breakup of the Indonesian empire. When the international "peacekeeping" force, presumably led by Australia, finally moves in and establishes East Timor as an independent entity, it will mark the beginning of the end of Indonesia, just as the economic ukases of the IMF and World Bank are designed to force control of the archipelago's vast resources away from Indonesia's oligarchs and turn it over to various transnational interests. Who will be next? India, the "world's largest democracy," with its incredibly diverse population rapidly approaching 1,000,000,000? China, ripe for the plucking, with the minorities on its fringes growing increasingly restless and its political leadership growing increasingly corrupt? Perhaps Canada? Or how about South Africa, uneasily entering the post-Mandela era? Or even (say it softly) the greatest prize of all, the United States? One thing is clear: parsing the world so finely along ethnic lines benefits no one--except international capital. The people of the world are being taught to worship a new golden calf, the Market. And please note: it's not the "Free Market" any longer, just as the Cold War labels "Free World" and "Captive Nations" have been set aside. It's simply "the Market," and we no longer refer to "free" nations--they're now "market democracies," whatever *that* means. Freedom, clearly, does not refer to political freedom; nor does it include any elements of economic and social justice. Freedom means, pure and simple, the right of the world's elite to make a profit. To guarantee that right, the world's peoples are being dealt out like a deck of cards into its separate suits; and carefully-guarded borders will ensure that the deck will never again be shuffled unless the New World Order does the shuffling. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Brain Shrinkage in Schizophrenics Caused by Drugs not Disease!
Brain Shrinkage in "Schizophrenics" Caused by Drugs not Disease! By Samuel A. Moser Recently within the USA and possibly elsewhere there has been much publicity within the media about so-called evidence of a biological cause for "schizophrenia." Recent autopsies performed on several "schizophrenics" revealed severe atrophy of the brain; also called brain shrinkage. An extremist psychiatrist named E. Fuller Torrey who is an aggressive lobbyist for state sanctioned forced psychiatric drugging has taken this information and is arguing for a biological cause for "schizophrenia." Nothing could be further from the truth. The fact is, nearly every one of these autopsies were performed on people who have taken antipsychotic drugs - also called neuroleptics or neuroleptic drugs - for ten years or more. These autopsies rather than providing evidence of a biological cause for schizophrenia, are actually providing evidence that the neuroleptic drugs have caused the brain shrinkage. The truth is that before the advent of psychiatric medications, thousands upon thousands of autopsies have been performed on so-called "schizophrenics"; which did not reveal any brain shrinkage whatsoever. For many years long before the advent of antipsychotic medications, inmates of psychiatric institutions had no say so what so ever as to what would be done with their bodies when they died. Most of these inmates of the psychiatric institutions received autopsies where their brains were removed and used for scientific study, and their brains were determined to be indistinguishable from that of a "normal" brain. The fallacious explanation of how this brain shrinkage is supposedly supposed to occur is that as a person matures they start pruning off dendrites but "schizophrenics" prune off an excessive number of dendrites until their brains shrink severely. There is no real proof whatsoever of these fallacious claims. What is actually happening however is that when the chemical that makes up the drug blocks the dopamine receptors on the ends of dendrites, therefore acting as a chemical straight jacket by preventing neuronal communication between dendrites, the receiving dendrites cut-off from communication from its neuronal mate can only make the assumption that its neuronal mate has died. So the only option the neuron can make is to prune off that dendrite because it has lost contact with the other neuron due to the chemical strait jacket of the antipsychotic drugs. If a neuron looses contact with enough dendrites the cell will commit "suicide" and die. Rather than admit the truth about the severe brain damage that these antipsychotic drugs are causing due to fear of an avalanche of lawsuits, the government-backed psychiatric and pharmaceutical establishments are seeking a cover-up by making the reprehensible claim that the drug induced brain damage that they themselves are causing is actually biological evidence for a cause of "schizophrenia". E. Fuller Torrey's last outrageous fallacious claim for a biological cause for "schizophrenia" was that our brains were infected with the herpes virus. E. Fuller Torrey is a manic fanatic that is foaming at the mouth with the insatiable desire to force antipsychotic drugs on anybody who violates the underwritten rules of society. Now the rest of the government-backed psychiatric and pharmaceutical establishments have jumped on E. Fuller Torrey's bandwagon for fear of going bankrupt due to an avalanche of lawsuits which would be the result if they acknowledge the brain atrophy that they have caused to thousands upon thousands of victims. Perhaps even millions. Remember that it has not been that long ago since the psychiatric establishment were performing brain butchering by jamming an ice pick like instrument between the eyes of their "schizophrenic" victims and then twirling the instrument around and around in circular like motions thereby destroying the frontal lobes of the brain which they called the lobotomy. Just as in the days of the lobotomy it is still the psychiatric establishment's desire to cause those labeled "insane" serious brain damage. Long before the days of the lobotomy the Hospital of St. Mary of Bethlehem, an institution in London England for the "mentally ill" from which the word bedlam was coined, psychiatric inmates were chained to the wall and whipped with whips; thus the phrase "the whips and chains of bedlam." In Nazi Germany 260,000 to 280,000 psychiatric inmates were executed by the Nazis as they were the very first victims of the holocaust. After World War II under a top-secret program called Project Paper Clip countless numbers of Nazi scientists were imported into the United States; a good portion of them being psychiatrists. In fact so many psychiatrists being former Nazis immigrated to the United States of America that sometime after World War II one-third of all psychiatrist in the United States were former
[CTRL] Inhumanitarian Nonintervention in East Timor-By Edward S. Herman
-Caveat Lector- Coming so soon after the NATO devastation of Yugoslavia in the alleged interest of humanitarianism and protection of human rights, the performance of the NATO powers in the East Timor crisis strikingly confirms the views of those who questioned the moral basis of NATO's intervention in Kosovo. In the Kosovo case, NATO insisted on bombing although Yugoslavia had already agreed to a sizable international presence in Kosovo--but not a NATO occupation of all of Yugoslavia as was demanded in the Rambouillet ultimatum-- and a "wide-ranging autonomy" for Kosovo. There was good reason to believe that the already strong international pressures on Yugoslavia might have resulted in a non-military resolution of the crisis. In the case of the current renewed Indonesian violence against the East Timorese, by contrast, although Indonesia has been occupying East Timor in violation of standing UN rulings for 24 years and had already killed a larger fraction of the East Timorese population than Pol Pot had done in Cambodia, the NATO powers that had so eagerly bombed Yugoslavia have still not called upon the IMF to suspend its line of credit to Indonesia, and the Blair government announced on September 7 that economic sanctions were not even on the agenda. They are allegedly "ineffective." The Blair moral indignation at human rights violations, so furious as regards Yugoslavia, is entirely absent in this case, and the question of using force doesn't even arise for Blair and Clinton. The Blair government (and Clinton's as well) is relying on our old friend "quiet diplomacy," which has always been a cover for inaction in dealing with the murderous behavior of allied and client states. In the wake of the fall of Suharto in May 1988, the East Timorese and their supporters had gotten a weakened Indonesian leadership to agree to a UN-sponsored referendum for independence. The Indonesian regime quickly changed course, however, and organized, armed, and protected militia groups that carried out a reign of terror in East Timor which forced a postponement of the referendum till August 30. The original UN agreement with Indonesia on the preparation for the voting gave Indonesia full rights to police the referendum. There was of course no more basis in a historical record of responsible behavior by Indonesia justifying this assignment than there would be for giving Milosevic charge of preparations for an independence vote in Kosovo. But even as Indonesia's violations of its responsibilities became clearly evident with escalating militia violence over the course of ten months prior to the vote, the great powers made no moves to change the rules or to penalize or threaten Indonesia. Now, in the aftermath of the referendum, as it has become obvious that the Indonesian army and police are directly participating in the killing, the Western powers are still unwilling to take any strong action. UN head Kofi Annan continues to urge Indonesia to do its duty, which it had failed to do previously and is now OPENLY failing to do. His feebleness reflects the fact that the great powers continue to drag their feet. By striking contrast, how aggressive they were in Kosovo, how readily they found (illegal) avenues and rationales to act, and how eager they were to use violence! Western non-intervention in East Timor is obviously rooted in the same factors that caused the U.S. and Britain (etc.) to support the Suharto dictatorship for three decades, to give it aid and sell it arms, to train its military and police, and to accept and even aid its invasion and occupation of East Timor in the first place. A strongly anticommunist political ally, Indonesia under Suharto also became an "investors paradise" loved by the oil, mining, and timber companies and other transnationals. This regime has made East Timorese offshore oil readily available to the oil companies. These benefits help explain the Western willingness to overlook the undemocratic rule, the mass exterminations during the military takeover of 1965-1966, along with the genocidal invasion-occupation of East Timor from 1975 onward. And these benefits help us to understand why, although the West has the power to pressure Indonesia to comply with humanitarian principles even short of using force, it fails to use that power. The media have avoided discussing these earlier genocides while reporting on the ongoing East Timorese crisis. And while they are now a bit aroused at the onset of what might be another Rwanda type slaughter--a second Indonesian genocide in East Timor--they continue to fail to trace it to the root causes of support of "our kind of guy" (as a senior Clinton official described Suharto in 1995), or to wax indignant over the failure of the West to react to monstrous behavior, or to feature the comparison with Kosovo and the mindboggling hypocrisy in the claim of a new era of western "humanitarian intervention." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a
[CTRL] RENO'S JUSTICE ISN'T JUST BLIND, IT'S STUPID
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nypost.com/commentary/13718.htm RENO'S JUSTICE ISN'T JUST BLIND, IT'S STUPID By STEVE DUNLEAVY I AM dramatically drawn to the conclusion that the U.S. attorney general, Janet Reno, has a huge and very secure safe. And inside that safe are mountains of photographs of Bill Clinton in a giant bed with 20 or 30 girls, smoking but not inhaling cigars. How else could Janet Reno cling so successfully to the job as top cop of the country? On her performance as attorney general, she would be hard pressed to get hired as the security guard at an ice-making factory in Alaska. "I have given up trying to understand what the Justice Department and Janet Reno use as investigative standards," Washington lawyer Joseph diGenova says. DiGenova was a U.S. attorney from 1983 to 1988 and independent counsel from 1992 to 1995. It also has to be quickly said that, as a Republican, he would hardly be voting for Reno as "lawyer of the year." But apart from this fearsome independent investigator, who is as straight as the Empire State Building, you could get the most slobbering liberal to put Reno's feet to the campfire. DiGenova was commenting on a story in yesterday's New York Times. The Times reported that the Clinton administration learned of a federal probe into Russian money-laundering five months earlier than it had previously acknowledged. The Times is so polite. In other words, the administration told a stone-cold bloody lie. This investigation alleges that $5 billion to $10 billion of aid was channeled by Russian crooks and laundered in a U.S. bank. "I just fail to know or try to know what Reno's department did about this when it was in their department and why the alarms didn't go off after they knew about it so long ago," diGenova said. "There has been a very strange relationship by the supposedly independent Justice Department and the administration. "And the reason is simple: The president is completely impotent when it comes to law enforcement. "He has no potency because of his own problems with the law. "Simply, he is legally and constitutionally compromised. With law enforcement, he is persona non grata." The fact that Clinton sits on his duff as aid money to Russia is swallowed by greedy-thumbed thieves - and then washed through New York so Brighton Beach in Brooklyn gets another nightclub - is bad enough. But the fact that Vice President Al "The Bore" Gore takes great credit in his close relationship in helping out the country that gave us Stalin is startling. Gore and the Russian hierarchy are borscht buddies. Ask him, and he will tell you. To be honest, Gore, of Buddhist Temple Campaign Fund-Raising fame, is no crook. No he is not. It's just that he has concrete between his ears. DiGenova: "When the CIA sent Gore's office the first report on the alleged money-laundering operation, the response was pretty quick. "The file came back with a very derisive comment on it and was ignored. Where was the Justice Department? Where was Janet Reno? There is a real crisis of confidence here." The Russian money-laundering scandal, which Reno apparently thought was a chewing-gum theft at a candy store, is just the latest in many examples of an ostrich sand-bound. "When you look at Waco, you see something very symptomatic of Reno and her department," said diGenova. "It IS an absolute inability to get to the truth or wanting to get to the truth." Well, of course, Joe, it all depends on what "is" is. -- --- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving
[CTRL] SALON- The Truth About Waco/A Survivor Speaks
-Caveat Lector- The truth about Waco A survivor says the government still isn't admitting its role in the deaths of 74 Branch Davidians. - - - - - - - - - - - - By David Thibodeau Sept. 9, 1999 | Attorney General Janet Reno says she's "very, very frustrated" over recent revelations that the FBI fired explosive devices at the Mount Carmel community outside of Waco, Texas, during the April 1993 siege. I know how Reno feels. I was one of only nine survivors of the Waco blaze -- 74 men, women and children died -- and I've devoted the last six years to understanding what happened there. Frustration is a mild word to describe my feelings about that quest. Reno's frustration, and mine, has only gotten worse recently as more damaging revelations have surfaced. First there was the CIA agent who told Salon News and the Dallas Morning News that members of the Army's secret Delta Force unit had actively participated in the siege. Then the FBI turned over tape recordings that include audio of an agent requesting and receiving permission to use pyrotechnic devices. Reports on Wednesday revealed the government also used incendiary flares during the Waco siege similar to those used to burn down the hideout of white supremacist Robert Mathews. The film "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" purported to show infrared images of government agents firing on the building. Now there is also a rumored videotape, uncovered by the film's co-producer, Michael McNulty, that reportedly shows agents in an ATF helicopter shooting into Mount Carmel. No doubt there will be more evidence "discovered," more agents coming forward, their six-year amnesia about April 19 suddenly cured. The FBI has not come close to revealing the full government complicity in the Waco massacre. Obviously my stake is a bit more personal than most. Back in 1990 I had been drumming in a stagnant Los Angeles rock band when I met and befriended David Koresh. I needed some new drumsticks, and on the way to a gig stopped in at the Guitar Center on Sunset Boulevard. Seeing the sticks in my hand, two strangers introduced themselves and asked if I was playing in a band. The two were David Koresh and Steve Schneider, the closest thing Koresh had to a deputy. Schneider gave me his card and I promptly handed it back. The backside was full of Bible verses. "You guys are a Christian band," I said, uninterested. I had never been religious in my life, and though I sometimes found myself asking God for a little help, I couldn't remember the last time I had been in a church, let alone seriously prayed. But I did have a spiritual curiosity; there were questions -- big questions -- that I wanted answers to. Schneider and Koresh weren't pushy and made it clear that all they really were looking for right now was a drummer. "I'd like to play some music with you," Koresh said, "and see where we can go from there." In truth, my band was going nowhere, and Koresh intrigued me. So I took the card back, and a few days later gave him a call. Over the next weeks I hung out with Koresh and some other musicians in his band. I got to know Koresh and was tremendously impressed. Having never paid much attention to the Bible, I was astonished to find that it actually did have some relevance to my life. And while Koresh had never gotten much in the way of formal education, it was clear that his knowledge of and insight into the scriptures was remarkable and profound. That fall I went out to Waco to play music and meet the larger community. I was pleasantly surprised by what I saw. The people at Mount Carmel were extremely involved in knowing and learning the Bible. In the process of demonizing Koresh and the Branch Davidians -- a name we never used when describing ourselves -- people have made it seem as if Mount Carmel came out of nowhere. In fact, Koresh was the third leader of a religious community that spun off from the Seventh Day Adventists in 1934. They had been living outside of Waco for almost 60 years before the ATF raid in 1993. I was fascinated with their spiritual search, and I began -- for the first time in my life -- to read the Bible and to see that its message might be meaningful. Koresh was interesting, and the ways in which he explained the scriptures were complex and demanding. I didn't care that he wasn't a graduate of Yale divinity school. He was clearly a serious religious scholar and I wanted to understand what he was saying. So I stayed. The people around Koresh came from many backgrounds. I met folks who hadn't finished high school, and others with degrees from places like Harvard law school. I spent time with African-Americans, Australians, black Britons, Mexican-Americans and more. One irony of the Waco disaster is that right-wing extremists and racists look to Mount Carmel as a beacon; if they realized that so many of us were black, Asian and Latino, and that we despised their hateful politics and anger, they would probably feel bitterly betrayed. That isn't
Re: [CTRL] Why Greens Should Love Pesticides
-Caveat Lector- So we have to kowtow to ecodissonance because we are not responsible enough to control our own population? Lets look at the core problemwhich church is it that still preaches no birth control? We are a bioprogram run amok and there is no stopping itusually it erupts in war, and even though the world statists of today say that this is no longer the case, it is a tenuous balance at best. We are talking overhaul of the entire spiritual paradigm...to point out the use of such technology and say it is GOOD leaves me wondering if anybody can really define Good. "Taylor, John (JH)" wrote: -Caveat Lector- "Why Greens Should Love Pesticides" by Dennis Avery, from the Wall Street Journal Gerber recently announced that henceforth its baby foods will be free from genetically modified crops -- and will be organically grown to boot. Then the Environmental Protection Agency announced that it was banning a major pesticide, methyl parathion, that has been used in fruit and vegetable production for decades. Upscale homemakers across the land are no doubt rejoicing over the additional "food safety" for their families. Unfortunately, the real-world results are likely to be more cancer and less wildlife habitat. When I joined the U.S. Department of Agriculture in 1959, the world feared a billion Third World people would die in famines. Then came the Green Revolution, and Norman Borlaug was awarded the 1970 Nobel Peace Prize for giving most of humanity its first real food security. Now we're ready to turn our backs on both food security and wildland conservation -- to eliminate food risks we can't even find. Thanks to the Green Revolution, the only famines in recent decades have been those caused by governmental policies such as Mao Tse-tung's "Great Leap Forward" in China and civil wars in Africa. Increased food security is a major reason why the world's population is now projected to stabilize at 8.5 billion in 2035, instead of spiraling upward. We've fed the Third World so well that young couples now believe their children will live to maturity, and they stop after two or three babies instead of six or 16. The second-biggest achievement of the Green Revolution is saving wildlands with higher yields. We're currently feeding more than twice as many people as lived in 1950, and doing it from essentially the same 37% of the planet's land area that we farmed in 1950. Higher crop yields have saved more than 15 million square miles of wildlife habitat from being plowed for low-yield traditional farming. That's equal to the total land area of the U.S., Europe and South America. We got those higher yields with hybrid seeds, irrigation, chemical fertilizer -- and pesticides. The first impact of a global mandate for organic farming would be the plow-down of five million to 10 million square miles of wildlife habitat, much of it in the densely populated tropics, which have perhaps 100 times as many wild species per square mile as the U.S. or Europe. Not only do organic crops suffer more pest losses but organic farmers refuse to fertilize with nitrogen taken from the air. They would have to plow down the equivalent of the whole U.S. land area for green-manure crops like clover. There is no vegetarian trend to ease the world's impending agricultural burden. Instead, higher incomes are driving the biggest surge of meat and milk consumption the Third World has ever seen. To save the current wildlands despite the larger, more affluent population in the next century, we will have to triple the yields on the land we're already farming. We will probably have to triple the use of pesticides as well (particularly of herbicides, which help cut soil erosion with no-plow, low-erosion farming systems.) We will also need more biotech breakthroughs like the new high- yielding crops for acidic tropic soils recently pioneered in Mexico. Do pesticide residues cause cancer? We've added 30 years to our lifespans in the 20th century, eight of them since we started spraying pesticides widely. Cancer experts say our real cancer risks are smoking, too much fat, too few fruits and vegetables -- and the genetic cancer tendencies inherited from our own families. After billions of dollars spent trying, not one pesticide- residue cancer victim has been found. Methyl parathion is unquestionably a deadly chemical -- if you walk into the cloud of gas just sprayed on a field of crops. But it effectively kills the bugs that love to eat growing fruits and vegetables; and plentiful fruits and vegetables prevent cancer. The quarter of our population that eats the most produce has half the cancer risk of the quarter that eats the least. And it makes no difference whether these fruits and vegetables were grown using pesticides.
[CTRL] [Fwd: Sept. 9, 1999 - NLECTC News Summary]
-Caveat Lector- "Engler, Donna" wrote: NLECTC Law Enforcement Corrections Technology News Summary Thursday, September 9, 1999 The National Law Enforcement and Corrections Technology Center (NLECTC) provides the following information as a service to law enforcement, corrections, and forensic science practitioners. The summary includes abstracts of articles from major national newspapers, business magazines, Web sites, national and international wire services, and periodicals focusing on law enforcement and corrections technology. Please note that providing synopses of articles on law enforcement and corrections technology or the mention of specific manufacturers or products does not constitute the endorsement of the U.S. Department of Justice or NLECTC. For more information on NLECTC and the web version of this news summary, please visit JUSTNET at http://www.nlectc.org. NLECTC may also be reached at 1-800-248-2742. Reproduction of this text is encouraged; however copies may not be sold, and the NLECTC Law Enforcement Corrections Technology News Summary should be cited as the source of the information. Copyright 1999, Information Inc., Bethesda, MD. ***HEADLINES** "Law Enforcement Plays Catch-Up With Reorganized Crime" "Prison Riot" "Technology Changing Organized Crime" "Watchdogs Harness Net To Fish For Cybercrime" "Compaq To Ship New Version of Fingerprint Identification Technology From Identix" "Pennsylvania Finalizes Contract With M/A-COM's OpenSky For Statewide Public Communications Safety System" "Chief G-Man On The Digital Beat" "Milwaukee Authorities Use DNA to Charge Unknown 3-Time Rapist" "Louisiana Department of Public Safety Locks Up CA's Unicenter TNG For Expansive Statewide Network" "Hostage Standoff in S.C. Prison Ends" "Jilted Lover Terrorizes Woman and Family Before Shooting Officer, Self" "One Death Row Inmate Kills Another" "NCIC 2000 Goes Online" "Longview Police Test Weather Alert Application for Reverse 911 System" "Kodak Beefs Up Law Enforcement Photography Program" "Department Begins Use of Video-Based Red Light Camera System" "DuPont Multi-Threat Body Armor Technology" **ARTICLES "Law Enforcement Plays Catch-Up With Reorganized Crime" USA Today (09/03/99) P. 15A; Johnson, Kevin Organized crime groups have restructured themselves in a manner that law enforcement officials are still struggling to understand. While the chain of command of crime groups was the traditional hierarchical structure years ago, today's networks operate more loosely and involve multinational and multiethnic partnerships. For example, Russians have worked with Colombians, while completely separate operations have involved Russians, Colombians, and Italians. Moreover, there are times when authorities are not able to tell crime groups from terrorist organizations. Access to a global financial system also allows the partnerships to work more quickly. Criminal networks are able to move large amounts of capital from one country to another, and can even destabilize lesser governments. "It's like fighting piranhas," says Mark Galeotti, director of the Organized Russian Eurasian Crime Research Unit at Britain's Keele University. "While you are fighting with one, the rest of the school is probably eating the flesh off your back." -- "Prison Riot" USA Today (09/08/99) P. 3A Corrections officials in New Mexico regained control of Guadalupe County Correction Facility--operated by Wackenhut Corrections Corp.--hours after a correctional officer was ambushed and stabbed to death during a riot involving about 300 prisoners. The riot took place during efforts to lock down the prison after an inmate was stabbed in a gymnasium. Four inmates have been killed in prisons operated by Wackenhut Corrections in the last nine months. Some New Mexico lawmakers responded to the riot by calling on the state to abandon the use of privately run prisons. -- "Technology Changing Organized Crime" APBNews Online (09/02/99); Meek, James Gordon A three-day conference of top American, European, and Eurasian military leaders in Germany recently yielded fewer results than expected, but forged a new relationship between law enforcement officials from the West and the East. At a meeting sponsored by the FBI and the joint U.S.-German military George C. Marshall European Center for Security Studies, officials assessed the impact of organized crime on national security in the upcoming decade. Among the many threats law enforcement agencies around the globe are concerned with are the sale of humans for sex and labor, the trafficking of mass destruction weapons, and widespread financial fraud. One senior American official
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) [FAIR-L] ALERT: U.S. Role Missing From EastTimor
-Caveat Lector- Thats awesome. Light Happens. Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- I'm not watching TV. I'm reading this list. sno0wl On 7 Sep 99, , Bill wrote: Unshackle Yourself. Kill Your TV. Sno0wl wrote: On 6 Sep 99, , Prudence wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/06/1999 4:24:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For example, in reports from East Timor's capital, the Associated Press and some other news outlets continue to use the dateline "Dili, Indonesia," implying that Indonesia has a legitimate claim over East Timor. This formulation is comparable to a dateline of "Kuwait City, Iraq" in the months following Iraq's illegal annexation of Kuwait. The Washington Post (8/31/99) reported that Timorese were voting on "whether to remain a part of Indonesia." According to the television news, the United States has called on Indonesia to restore law and order. We all know how they do that don't we? If you kill off all the folks in East Timor, they can't complain. Just what our Government wants--a peaceful silence. Maybe this time they can send backhoes to dig pits to throw the bodies in. Peaceful silence is nothing when it accompanies the stench of dead bodies. Prudy Tonight's news seems particularly disturbing. It's not just East Timor, it seems to be happening everywhere--Colombia, Brazil, Detroit And wherever it's happening, wherever people want "independence" or equitable labor laws or any kind of fair treatment, the "media" seems to be suggesting that the upstarts are Marxist guerillas or dangerous subversives, liberals or leftists. And everywhere it would seem the US is supporting the suppressive governments and has trained the paramilitary militias and the government armies who are controlling these malcontentsand, of course, if you are an American with a 401k or almost any savings or investments, you are supporting these suppressive governments and they are contributing to your wellbeing and comfort...so can you really say that what they're doing is wrong (if they are moving against the will of their outraged populations to protect American interests?) and you are profiting from it? Why do I sense that the net is being pulled in and that whatever it is --that old beast-- is slouching closer and closer to home I even sense that the Waco revelations, which will focus attention once again on Clinton and Reno--and very rightly so--will deflect criticism from George W. and help him sweep into the presidency. I must be depressedis all sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #1
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990909a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : Software glitches hampered production of this bulletin. Damn MicroSoft. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Hackers put racist, anti-government slogans on embassy site. Hackers hit a Web site for the U.S. embassy in China Tuesday, replacing its home page with racist and anti-government statements. A group named Level Seven Crew claimed responsibility on the page for the prank, making references to bombing China and a "war of skill" with hackers started by the FBI. http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9909/07/embassy.hack/index.html : Have you hacked any govt websites lately? Do you target sites for ethnic, political, religious, other ideological reasons, or for money, hatred, fun? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Pigs Have Anorexia Too. LONDON (Reuters) Healthier human eating habits and demand for lean meat is causing anorexia in pigs. Thin sow syndrome, as the condition is known in pigs, is increasing as farmers use selective breeding to produce pigs that are leaner and more muscular. Most pigs with the syndrome are young females who do not eat enough, are hyperactive and cannot reproduce, symptoms similar to anorexia in humans. But can they sing? http://news.excite.com/news/r/990909/02/science-health-anorexia : Do the same mind-control tricks that promote anorexia nervosa in humans work in pigs too? Are humans good test cases? Are anorexics made or born? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Taking control of Tourette's. (BBC) Sufferers of Tourette's syndrome may have more control over their swearing and twitching than anyone realised. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_442000/442041.stm @ Tourette's syndrome resources: http://www.ability.org.uk/tourette.html # And - Health: 'Natural marijuana' may treat brain disorders: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_303000/303438.stm : What's your favorite brain dysfunction? Can you control it? Do you control any other brain (dys)functions? How much brain control is enough? Any? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Report says Mubarak attacker mentally ill. CAIRO, Egypt (AP) The man who slightly wounded Egyptian Pres. Hosni Mubarak before being killed by pres- idential bodyguards suffered from schizophrenia. The attacker, el-Seyed Hussein Mahmoud Suleiman, had "psychotic disorder characterized by violent rages and was diagnosed with schizophrenia" after seeking treatment in 1995. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561070969-922 : Can you control the dysfunctions of others' brains? Can you direct others to attempt inner- and outer-directed violence? Is this politically useful? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # France probes Scientology. MARSEILLE (AP) France's Justice Ministry opened an inquiry after finding that some three tons of evidence for an upcoming trial of Church of Scientology officials was destroyed. But the Marseille prosecutor's office said the disposal of certain sealed files in late 1998 was the result of negligence by a court clerk and not an intentional act. France has long had a contentious relationship with Scientology, which is fighting to be recognized as a legitimate religion in Europe, not a mind- control cult. http://infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561070714-db2 : How much power does your belief system wield? How much power is enough? Do you suborn officials, control minds, plot to take over the world? Is it fun? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # China prohibitive on religion. WASHINGTON (AP) - Chinese citizens can face harassment or prolonged detention in labor camps if they practice religion outside officially sponsored churches. A US State Dept. paper also cites credible reports of incidents of abuses of Buddhist monks nuns in China, including Tibet. China is one of 194 countries or territories examined in the study. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561073746-ec8 : Do you prefer to run political, religious, economic or artistic systems? Would you like to control them all? Do you like to punish dissidents, non- conformists, unbelievers? Are you a dissident? Are you being punished? How? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ CONSPIRACY THEORISTS, PARANOIDS AND CURIOUS DISCUSS MYSTERIOUS ILLUMINATI. alt.illuminati covers such topics as the diabolical number 23, gray alien attacks, those pesky black helicopters, and, of course, the New World Order. With each posting, I am more and more amazed at the thoroughness of the allegations, accusations, and illuminations. Apply here for membership to the Thelemic Order of the Illuminati. News:alt.illuminati : Are you conspiratorialist, paranoid, curious, illuminated? Do all writings on the Illuminati just misdirect us from The Truth? Is it true that them who know don't talk, and them who talk don't
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #2
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990909b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No MicroSoft programmers died during production of this bulletin. Bother. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Darwin gets a makeover. (BBC) Professor Steve Jones has rewritten Darwin's Origin of Species, a book that contains ideas which are just as contro- versial today as they were 140 years ago. Fortunately, they're testable. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_443000/443006.stm @ Links - Charles Darwin - Online Literature: http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/ @ The Origin of Species - Website Guide: http://hjem.get2net.dk/Paleontology/ @ Urbanowicz on Darwin: http://www.csuchico.edu/~curban/Darwin/DarwinSem-S95.html @ Enter Evolution: http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/evolution.html @ Creation Vs Evolution: http://www.zinezone.com/zines/science/life/scopes/ @ No Answers in Genesis: http://www.onthenet.com.au/~stear/index.htm : Are you highly evolved? Do you have some ways to go yet? Were you created? What created y'r creator? What created y'r creator's creator? How d'ya know? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Leaking Earth could run dry. (BBC) Japanese scientists say the Earth could be dry and barren within a billion years because water is draining into the planet's interior. Polish firm proposes to plug all the holes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_442000/442040.stm @ Links - Volcano Watch: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/ @ Ask An Earth Scientist: http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/GG/ASK/askanerd.html # Earth Science and Geology: http://www.uwsp.edu/acaddept/geog/geol.htm # U.S. Scientists Spot 'Dust Devils' On Mars. WASHINGTON (Reuters) Miniature dust storms could be responsible for spreading the red dust that covers much of the Martian surface. Scientists have long suspected that so-called "dust devils" - which kick up in fields and on dirt roads on a sunny day - churn across Mars. But until now, none had ever been seen. Now we have pictures: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990909/02/science-space-mars : Do you prefer planets that are wet, dry, in-between? Should we build big pumps to bring water out of Earth's interior? Should we all leave before Earth gets as dry dusty as Mars? Where d'ya wanna go? Will you take a hat? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Study links star blast, black hole. (AP) Scientists have found some of the best evidence yet to support the theory that the cataclysmic explosions of giant stars can lead to black holes, some of the strangest least under- stood objects in the universe. Researchers analyzed the gases near a star that wobbles around a suspected black hole, and deduced that the chemicals could have originated only in the blast of a neighboring supernova. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561069453-797 http://news.excite.com/news/r/990909/02/science-science-blackhole # Gamma-ray burst may have seeded solar system. The formation of the Solar System was hurried along by a nearby gamma-ray burst. Rather than aborting the birth of planets, the flood of energy may have melted primordial dust grains, seeded the formation of meteorites and helped form the rocky planets, including Earth. We are stardust, we are golden... http://www.explorezone.com/archives/99_09/09_ns_creative_burst.htm : What are your favorite black holes, supernovae, wormholes, space warps? Do you exploit astronomical phenomena for personal gain? Do you use'em to make new solar systems? D'ya encourage the development of life? D'ya warp space? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # The Aegean: The seismic sea. (BBC) The earthquake which shook Athens came "out of the blue", say seismologists, as no known fault existed there. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_441000/441701.stm # Greece Turkey On Seismic Pane Of Glass. LONDON (Reuters) The earth deep underneath quake-hit Greece and Turkey is fracturing like a pane of glass, increasing the possibility of further tremors in the region, a UK seismo- logist says. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990909/02/science-quake-greece : What's your favorite seismic zone? Do you work to promote/prevent quakes? What's your fave seismic activity? Do you prefer quakes, volcanos, geysers? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Waco-Rama: @ Waco Whitewash: http://www.radio4all.org/pfp/wacowhit.htm @ The truth about Waco - govt role in 74 deaths: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/09/09/waco/index.html @ Waco was a Professional Hit; Waco Wizard's Magical Fire: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37d7044315b3.htm # FBI says illumination flares fired to monitor compound: http://www.tampabayonline.net/news/news102c.htm # McVeigh's ex-attorney links OKC bombing, Waco, govt lies: http://www.oklahoman.com/cgi-bin/getarticle?ID=372785 # Waco - Evidence
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #3
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990909c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No Aegean cities were devastated during the production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Deadly Octopus Astonishes Aquarium. LONDON (Reuters) A deadly octopus, whose bite can kill humans in minutes but is only the size of a golf ball, has astonished a British aquarium by hatching a brood of 50 young. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990909/07/odd-octopus : What's your favorite cephalopod? Would you like to have an 8-lobed brain, like cephalopods? Would you think 8 thoughts simultaneously? Would you have great mental powers? Do telepathic giant squid control your mind? Is it fun? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Scientists make molecular motor. (BBC) Scientists have built a motor using just 78 atoms. It may help us understand fundamental biological processes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_441000/441670.stm @ Foresight Nanotechnology Institute: http://www.foresight.org/homepage.html # And: Lift off for rival DNA technology: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_307000/307081.stm # France win the nano-World Cup: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_271000/271432.stm # New twist for nanotechnology: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_254000/254498.stm : What small stuff should be motorized? Do you work on nanobots? Do nanobots work on you? Would you like to build tiny cars, drills, shavers, factories? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Celestial light show courtesy of Russia. TAMPA, Fla. Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird, it's a plane, it's Superwoman, it's a meteorite, it's a UFO! No, it was a spent Russian rocket booster that burned up in the atmosphere early Tuesday, leaving a trail of fireworks for anyone lucky enough to see it. Did you see it too? http://www.tampatrib.com/sections/mt090802.htm # Mystery lights turn out to be rocket's red glare. St. Petersburg, Fla. It was a visitor from outer space. Well, in a manner of speaking. What turned out to be a piece of a Russian rocket falling back to Earth had a lot of early risers in Florida rubbing their eyes and staring into the dark sky early Tuesday. "I'm not into UFOs; I'm a realist," said pilot Tim Beachy, 38. "But this was the strangest phenomenon I've ever seen." http://www.sptimes.com:80/News/90899/TampaBay/Mystery_lights_turn_o.shtml : Do you believe official explanations of mysterious sightings? Do you fab- ricate official explanations? Are "rocket fragments" and "swamp gas" your favorite clichés? Are your alien masters pleased with your efforts? How? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ LOC is back again with a new collection in American Memory. This one is Early Virginia Religious Petitions. From the announcement: More than 400 petitions submitted to the Virginia Legislature between 1774 1802 have been added to the American Memory collections now online, revealing the breadth fervor of public opinion on a wide range of religious issues in early Virginia. Other topics covered include the historic debate over the separation of church state championed by James Madison and Thomas Jefferson; the sale division of property within the established church; and the dissolution of unpopular vestries. Images of the petitions are available, and a searchable database. http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/repehtml : Have you ever written a religious petition? Have you ever framed/distorted any religious issues? What're y'r favorite religious issues? D'ya demagogue? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Task Force Considers Recruiting On Campus - Religious Freedom, Fear of Cults Collide. (WashPost) Student Steffi Rausch was asked by her resident adviser to join International Churches of Christ (ICOC), an Evangelical Christian group that has been banned on several college campuses in the country, allegedly for using mindcontrol tactics on its followers. See http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-09/08/025l-090899-idx.html : Does your cult use mindcontrol tactics to recruit members? Are you succes- sful? Do you recruit on campuses? Are they fruitful? What's your favorite? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Waiting for Apocalypse, Militia Falls on Hard Times - Confrontations With Authorities Have Faded Along With Followers. (WashPost) BOIS BLANC ISLAND, Mich. These are not easy times for Norman Olson and his splinter group of self-described patriot guerrillas, the Northern Michigan Regional Militia. http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-09/09/171l-090999-idx.html : Is your militia group losing members? Does enthusiasm fade when armageddon delays? Has your guerrilla band been successfully suppressed? By who? How? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Millennium-a-Rama: # 9/9/99: Don't hold your breath. (BBC) Some computer systems may experience
[CTRL] The oligarchy has begun an election campaign.
-Caveat Lector- Oligarchy The oligarchy is the government by the rich. Plato: "A government resting on a valuation of property, in which the rich have power and the poor man is deprived of it. And so they grow richer and richer, and the more they think of making a fortune the less they think of virtue; for when riches and virtue are placed together in the scales of the balance, the one always rises as the other falls." Aristotle: "For democracy is said to be the government of the many. But what if the many are men of property and have the power in their hands? For the real difference between democracy and oligarchy is poverty and wealth. The democrats think that, as they are equal, they ought to be equal in all things; while the oligarchs, under the idea that they are unequal, claim too much, which is more inequality... those which incline more toward oligarchy are called aristocracies, and those which incline more toward democracy constitutional governments. Therefore the latter are the safer of the two, for the greater the number, the greater the strength, and when men are equal they are contented. But the rich, if the government gives them power, are apt to be insolent and avaricious... The only stable principle of government is equality according to proportion, and every man to enjoy his own." Machiavelli, The Prince: "When states, newly acquired have been accustomed to living freely under their own laws, there are three ways to hold them securely; first, by devastating them; next by going and living there in person; thirdly by letting them keep their own laws, exacting tribute, and setting up an oligarchy which will keep the state friendly to you." [09, 10, 223] THE ELECTIONS OF THE OLIGARCHY WHICH OFFER HOPE TO NO-ONE The oligarchy has begun an election campaign. But already it is having trouble using the elections as a means to tie the people to the regime. This is because the people have seen and experienced countless times that the elections and the new governments do not alter their lives in positive ways but instead make their lives worse. The people have no trust in the parliament. They have no trust in the bourgeois parties and politicians. This mistrust is an expression of the people's detachment from the regime. Undoubtedly the oligarchy is aware of this. But on the other hand it has no alternative to using elections in this way. So it makes every effort to use them as a means of tying the people to the regime. Even though the elections do not take place for another eight months, the bourgeois parties and politicians are already making efforts to reassure their own voters and guarantee their positions. Discussions about the electoral system, whether or not the local elections should take place on the same day or on different days, what the threshold should be which parties need to clear to win representation, alliances and splits, all these discussions show their powerlessness. In reality the representatives of the oligarchy do not conceal their helplessness. They explain the situation as a "political deadlock", "the people no longer trust the politicians". It was Sakip Sabanci, one of the most prominent monopoly capitalists, who made these facts clear. Recently he said the following: "These five persons want to become sultans. They are an obstacle to the development of the country. They should go as quickly as possible in order to give the people peace." (Hürriyet, August 1, 1998) What Sabanci means by that is known to everyone. He is talking of party leaders who have been practising bourgeois politics for 30 or 40 years. Does Sabanci really want these politicians to go? Of course not! Moreover, it is also not in the least possible that he wishes to ensure the "welfare of the people". The reason Sabanci makes these attacks from time to time and makes severe criticisms of bourgeois politicians is to ensure that they follow the exact line that his interests dictate. Moreover, the monopoly capitalists use this form of criticism to deceive the people into thinking that the politicians would not be acting at the behest of the monopolists. If the system parties have not removed their "leaders", they have heeded the warning to start looking for new faces. The discussion of which parties should produce new candidates has already begun. The candidates that have been put forward are supposed to reassure the oligarchy in the midst of its helplessness. For example it was declared that the DTP (Democratic Party of Turkey) and the DSP (Democratic Left Party) would support the candidate for mayor of Istanbul put forward by ANAP (the Motherland Party). There are press reports of similar joint support for candidates in big cities like Ankara and Izmir. Names like Cem Kozlu, the chairman of THY (Turkish Airlines), and Adnan Polat, chairman of Polat Holdings, have been proposed. After listing these names,
[CTRL] Fw: The Green Commandos
-Caveat Lector- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_btl/19990908_xcbtl_the_green_.shtml WEDNESDAY SEPTEMBER 08 1999 Joseph Farah The green commandos In March, 40 officers divided into 10 four-man teams swooped in with helicopters in a pre-dawn raid to seize six suspects in Dorchester County, Md. The principal suspect, Robert Gootee, was hauled from his bed and led away in chains. His wife was not allowed to call anyone, nor were her neighbors allowed to come in to comfort her, for four and a half hours. What was the offense that precipitated this action? Was the four-year investigation that led to the armed raid concerned with terrorism, serial homicide or a major drug ring? What type of criminal offenses were involved? Who were these brave law-enforcement agents who defied death to make the arrests? You had better sit down. Gootee was charged with possession of an undersized striped bass, striped bass out of season, untagged striped bass, possession of summer flounder out of season, failure to tag and check deer within 24 hours and possession of a loaded weapon in a vehicle. The agents involved were from the state and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. And the target for the raid was the Golden Hills Hunt Club. Gootee, the club treasurer, was hauled away with such "evidence" as deer and duck mounts and a framed photograph of his retriever bringing in a duck. Eventually, 24 other club members were charged with related offenses, including failure to wear sufficient fluorescent orange while hunting. We're in serious trouble, folks. Even as more Americans wake up to the reality of the dangers posed by the gun-toting federales who brought us Waco, a new breed of armed-and-dangerous green commandos is turning our forests into police states. Check out a report in this month's issue of usually low-key Field Stream Magazine: "Looking for firepower, firefights and other fun stuff? Forget the SEALs; Fish and Game is the place to be." "Wardens may be watching too many cop shows. How else can one explain why increasing numbers of them seem to reject their workday reality and the routine of dealing with essentially law-abiding people in favor of a world in which the everyday sportsman is an ex-army commando ready for a shoot-out or a high-speed car chase?" The story continues: "Recruits to wildlife law enforcement now spend more time learning how to break down the doors of alleged poachers than how to differentiate the various species of sunfishes. The April 1999 issue of Wildlife in North Carolina describes the boot camp that would-be officers go through in that state: 'Relentless physical exercise, material training and plenty of barracks inspections are the norm for the first two weeks of wildlife recruit school ... this includes 40 hours of firearms training as well as many hours mastering defensive tactics to disarm suspects.'" The piece goes on to explain that the rationale used by many agencies for such official militancy is a claim that game wardens are "seven times more likely to be killed during an assault on the job than any other type of law officer." Trouble with that statistic is that there is no basis for it in fact. According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, in 1997, 65 law enforcement officers of all kinds nationwide were killed in the line of duty. Not one was a warden. Whoops! There seems to be an active effort by
Re: [CTRL] The Balkanization of the World
-Caveat Lector- "Ethnically-plural states?" Since when has East Timor been part of a so-called Indonesian plurality (any more than the Albanians were part of a so-called Yugoslavian plurality, or Tibet part of a Chinese plurality, and we could go on)? In 1975, after 400 years of domination by the Portuguese, East Timor's scant chance at independence, of creating its own plurality, was squashed by Henry Kissinger and Gerald Ford, who gave Suharto the green light for invasion, occupation, and a genocide that claimed more lives per-capita than that inflicted upon Cambodia by the Khmer Rouge. Now, after being led down the garden path to a mandated independence by the UN and the West, they are being abandoned once again in the name of political and economic realism. Parts of the Left, it seems from this post, have now adopted their own form of Kissingerian realism: allow the East Timorese be slaughtered by the Indonesians so they won't be exploited by the IMF. Following the logic of this post, by allowing the Indonesians to murder, kill, maim, and torture as the wish, we are helping to preserve their national sovereignty. Fight the IMF! Support Genocide! 2 + 2 = 5! Lucio Benedetto - Original Message - From: Robert Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 11:56 AM Subject: [CTRL] The Balkanization of the World -Caveat Lector- Watching world events unfold in recent weeks, I found myself wondering (not for the first time) how many of the world's nations will survive the first decade of the 21st century in their present borders. In the ten years since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the subsequent bizarre reunification of Germany, the shape of world politics has undergone a sea-change--a change guided and motivated by international finances, seemingly aimed at the dismantlement of ethnically-plural states in favor of ethnic and linguistic nationalism. I'm reminded of Clemenceau's remark at Versailles: "What, must every little language have its own nation?" The answer, courtesy of the IMF and the NWO, is clearly "Yes." The barbarous actions by the Indonesian armed forces in East Timor, horrible as they are, are in part an attempt to stem the tide of ethnic division being forced on Indonesia by the IMF. Setting aside the elements of racism, religious hatred, and sheer greed in the soldiers' actions, the brutal repression of the internationally-sanctioned East Timorese drive for independence is aimed at preventing the inevitable breakup of the Indonesian empire. When the international "peacekeeping" force, presumably led by Australia, finally moves in and establishes East Timor as an independent entity, it will mark the beginning of the end of Indonesia, just as the economic ukases of the IMF and World Bank are designed to force control of the archipelago's vast resources away from Indonesia's oligarchs and turn it over to various transnational interests. Who will be next? India, the "world's largest democracy," with its incredibly diverse population rapidly approaching 1,000,000,000? China, ripe for the plucking, with the minorities on its fringes growing increasingly restless and its political leadership growing increasingly corrupt? Perhaps Canada? Or how about South Africa, uneasily entering the post-Mandela era? Or even (say it softly) the greatest prize of all, the United States? One thing is clear: parsing the world so finely along ethnic lines benefits no one--except international capital. The people of the world are being taught to worship a new golden calf, the Market. And please note: it's not the "Free Market" any longer, just as the Cold War labels "Free World" and "Captive Nations" have been set aside. It's simply "the Market," and we no longer refer to "free" nations--they're now "market democracies," whatever *that* means. Freedom, clearly, does not refer to political freedom; nor does it include any elements of economic and social justice. Freedom means, pure and simple, the right of the world's elite to make a profit. To guarantee that right, the world's peoples are being dealt out like a deck of cards into its separate suits; and carefully-guarded borders will ensure that the deck will never again be shuffled unless the New World Order does the shuffling. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF
[CTRL] Fw: The truth about Waco
-Caveat Lector- The truth about Waco A survivor says the government still isn't admitting its role in the deaths of 74 Branch Davidians. - - - - - - - - - - - - By David Thibodeau Sept. 9, 1999 | Attorney General Janet Reno says she's "very, very frustrated" over recent revelations that the FBI fired explosive devices at the Mount Carmel community outside of Waco, Texas, during the April 1993 siege. I know how Reno feels. I was one of only nine survivors of the Waco blaze -- 74 men, women and children died -- and I've devoted the last six years to understanding what happened there. Frustration is a mild word to describe my feelings about that quest. Reno's frustration, and mine, has only gotten worse recently as more damaging revelations have surfaced. First there was the CIA agent who told Salon News and the Dallas Morning News that members of the Army's secret Delta Force unit had actively participated in the siege. Then the FBI turned over tape recordings that include audio of an agent requesting and receiving permission to use pyrotechnic devices. Reports on Wednesday revealed the government also used incendiary flares during the Waco siege similar to those used to burn down the hideout of white supremacist Robert Mathews. The film "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" purported to show infrared images of government agents firing on the building. Now there is also a rumored videotape, uncovered by the film's co-producer, Michael McNulty, that reportedly shows agents in an ATF helicopter shooting into Mount Carmel. No doubt there will be more evidence "discovered," more agents coming forward, their six-year amnesia about April 19 suddenly cured. The FBI has not come close to revealing the full government complicity in the Waco massacre. Obviously my stake is a bit more personal than most. Back in 1990 I had been drumming in a stagnant Los Angeles rock band when I met and befriended David Koresh. I needed some new drumsticks, and on the way to a gig stopped in at the Guitar Center on Sunset Boulevard. Seeing the sticks in my hand, two strangers introduced themselves and asked if I was playing in a band. The two were David Koresh and Steve Schneider, the closest thing Koresh had to a deputy. Schneider gave me his card and I promptly handed it back. The backside was full of Bible verses. "You guys are a Christian band," I said, uninterested. I had never been religious in my life, and though I sometimes found myself asking God for a little help, I couldn't remember the last time I had been in a church, let alone seriously prayed. But I did have a spiritual curiosity; there were questions -- big questions -- that I wanted answers to. Schneider and Koresh weren't pushy and made it clear that all they really were looking for right now was a drummer. "I'd like to play some music with you," Koresh said, "and see where we can go from there." In truth, my band was going nowhere, and Koresh intrigued me. So I took the card back, and a few days later gave him a call. Over the next weeks I hung out with Koresh and some other musicians in his band. I got to know Koresh and was tremendously impressed. Having never paid much attention to the Bible, I was astonished to find that it actually did have some relevance to my life. And while Koresh had never gotten much in the way of formal education, it was clear that his knowledge of and insight into the scriptures was remarkable and profound. That fall I went out to Waco to play music and meet the larger community. I was pleasantly surprised by what I saw. The people at Mount Carmel were extremely involved in knowing and learning the Bible. In the process of demonizing Koresh and the Branch Davidians -- a name we never used when describing ourselves -- people have made it seem as if Mount Carmel came out of nowhere. In fact, Koresh was the third leader of a religious community that spun off from the Seventh Day Adventists in 1934. They had been living outside of Waco for almost 60 years before the ATF raid in 1993. I was fascinated with their spiritual search, and I began -- for the first time in my life -- to read the Bible and to see that its message might be meaningful. Koresh was interesting, and the ways in which he explained the scriptures were complex and demanding. I didn't care that he wasn't a graduate of Yale divinity school. He was clearly a serious religious scholar and I wanted to understand what he was saying. So I stayed. The people around Koresh came from many backgrounds. I met folks who hadn't finished high school, and others with degrees from places like Harvard law school. I spent time with African-Americans, Australians, black Britons, Mexican-Americans and more. One irony of the Waco disaster is that right-wing extremists and racists look to Mount Carmel as a beacon; if they realized that so many of us were black, Asian and Latino, and that we despised their
[CTRL] Fw: Gun Lies
-Caveat Lector- http://www.netside.com/~lcoble/2ndamend/lies.txt Gun Lies Somebody is lying --- Statement: "One child under 14 is accidently shot to death every day in the USA" (Center to Prevent Handgun Violence) Truth: True, if the year in question is 1979, when there were 364 such deaths. In 1990, the most recent year for which data are available, the number was 236, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. The number of fatal gun accidents among children has fallen by 56% since 1970, even as the gun supply has grown significantly.[4] Statement: "In the past decade, more than 138,000 Americans were shot by children under the age of 6." (Hartford Courant) Truth: No source is ever cited for this factoid because there is none. No government or academic agency even collects data to provide an estimage for the true figure.[4] Statement: 135,000 children carry guns to school each day. (U.S. Sen. Biden and Chafee) Truth: The 135,000 figure, also sometimes given as 186,000, is often attributed to the Department of Justice (DOJ), but no specific DOJ study is identified. The number is a huge distortion from the plausible 16,000 to 17,000 nationally extrapolated from criminologist Gary Kleck's data.[4] Statement: "Firearms are responsible for the deaths of 45,000 infants, children and adolescents per year." (American Academy of Pediatrics) Truth: Even if all persons 15-95 are considered "adolescents," this one can't be true. The 45,000 figure exceeds the total deaths in all ages from all causes related to firearms.[4] Statement: "One million U.S. inhabitants die prematurely each year as the result of intentional homicide or suicide." (former Surgean General C. Everett Koop) Truth: According to the National Center for Health Statistics, in 1988 there were about 30,000 suicides (by all methods) and about 22,000 homicides (by all methods, including legal self-defense). Thus, the "one million" claim is off by about 1800%.[4] Statement: "Guns are the leading cause of death among older teenagers- white and black-in America." (Newsweek) Truth: True for black males, but not for females or for males of other races.[4] --- Statement: "People without guns injure, people with guns kill." (The Coalition for Gun Control)[2] Truth: Most homicides (c. 60-75%) in Canada are done with something other than a firearm. One is more likely to be injured by a knife wielding attacker than a gun wielding attacker. If injured, (non fatal) knife wounds are more likely to be more serious than firearms injuries according to Statistics Canada. In Canada from 1961-1990, there were a total of 15,198 homicides. 63.1% were with a non-firearm. 14.3% were with a non-restricted rifle. 13% were with a illegally owned restricted firearm. 6.5% were with a non-restricted shotgun. 2.4% were with a unidentified firearm. 0.7% were with a legally owned and registered restricted firearm. [8] In 1992, there were 756 homicides(including self defense homicides) in Canada, of those, 26.19% with with firearms, that leaves 73.81% homicides by means other that a firearm. [8] Statement: "Dogs are more regulated than firearms are." (The Coalition for Gun Control) Truth: No permit is needed to purchase or acquire a dog. No permit is required to transport a dog or take a dog for a walk. Dogs are not banned because of physical appearance. Small dogs are not more strictly regulated than larger dogs. Dogs are not registered everywhere, and where they are, registration is quick and easy, available to everyone, and used to control dogs that tend to run around on their own. Registration of dogs has not been used to confiscate expensive dogs that have not been used in criminal offenses. Statement: "Motor vehicles are more regulated and taxed than guns." (The Coalition for Gun Control)[2]. Truth: Applicable taxes on firearms and motor vehicles are the same, being the Goods and Services Tax and Provincial Sales Taxes. Motor vehicles are not banned for being paramilitary in appearance (i.e Jeeps and 4WD vehicles), having automatic transmissions, large capacity ( 5 litres) gas tanks, or colour. No permit is needed to purchase a motor vehicle. No permit is needed to tow or ship a vehicle if the vehicle is not being driven. Drivers licenses are easy to get, good for 5 years and allow the motor vehicle to be taken
[CTRL] Fw: The Strange Logic of Hate-Crime Laws
-Caveat Lector- http://www.newsmax.com/commentmax/articles/Steve_Chapman.html NewsMax.com The Strange Logic of Hate-Crime Laws Steve Chapman September 5, 1999 When a gunman walked into a day care center in suburban Los Angeles last month and shot five people, three of them young children, one question immediately sprang from the lips of journalists and commentators: Was it a hate crime? The obvious response should have been: What earthly difference does it make? When a lunatic with a gun tries to kill a bunch of people, the animating motive is not good will. Would the parents, sitting watch at the hospital beside their wounded children, feel better knowing the attacker was acting out of animus toward all humanity rather than distaste for a particular minority group? Would they say, "What a relief -- somebody tried to murder my baby, but at least it wasn't an anti-Semite"? As it turned out, the man who fired the shots was a bigot with ties to neo-Nazi groups. That helps to explain what he did, but it's hard to see how it makes the crime any more vicious, shocking or scary. The killers in Littleton singled out football players; Buford Furrow was after Jews; a guy in Atlanta had a grudge against the brokerage business; and some crazies have simply killed people indiscriminately. Can we really say that one of these mass shootings is appreciably worse than the others? Matthew Shepard, a 21-year-old student at the University of Wyoming, was robbed, savagely beaten, tied to a fence and left to die in near-freezing temperatures. Gay rights groups said he was killed because he was gay, and lamented Wyoming's lack of a hate-crime law. But a hate-crime law wouldn't have prevented the murder -- any more than the law against murder prevented it. Nor would it have meant a stiffer sentence: The crime carried the possibility of the death penalty, which happens to be the most severe punishment in our criminal justice toolbox. And decreeing that it's worse to kill someone because he's gay than to kill someone because he's a college student smacks of Dante's Inferno, where the better and worse places in Hell were assigned according to a formula of relative sinfulness. Maybe the Almighty has the wisdom to calibrate crimes with such exquisite precision, but such powers do not belong to mere mortals. Supporters of these laws insist that some crimes are clearly worse because they stem from prejudice of one sort or another. Painting "Kill the Jews" on a synagogue, to be sure, is different from painting "Josh Loves Caitlin." What's important, though, is that one message aims at intimidating people and the other doesn't. If someone painted "Kill the Rich" or "Kill Those Who Drive on the Sabbath" on a Reform synagogue in an upscale Jewish neighborhood, the attempt to intimidate would be just as obvious, but it wouldn't qualify as a hate crime. Do we really believe it's less blameworthy to kill a Jewish tycoon because he's wealthy than because he's Jewish? The effort to follow the logic of hate-crime laws can be endlessly perplexing. In a recent Chicago case, three African-American kids, ages 10, 13 and 14, were arrested for beating and kicking a 12-year-old white boy while calling him "Pillsbury Doughboy" and "whitey." When prosecutors asked that the assault be classified as a hate crime, a juvenile court judge inexplicably refused. Apparently some hate crimes are more equal than others. But the central flaw in such laws is not their lack of inclusiveness; it's their focus on thoughts and words. Under the First Amendment guarantee of free speech, the government may not make it a crime to express or hold racist, sexist or anti-Semitic ideas. But under the hate-crime laws, the government does just that. Such laws say that someone who commits a violent crime out of bigotry will be punished not only for the violence but for the bigotry. Part of his prison sentence will be attributable solely to the officially disfavored words he uttered -- or maybe, if he was silent, just to the books he checked out of the library. Northwestern University law professor Martin Redish offers a thought experiment: What if we passed a law providing extra punishment for anyone who commits a crime motivated by the desire to advance the cause of communism? That statute clearly would be unconstitutional, because it discriminates against people on the basis of their viewpoint. But a hate-crime law has exactly the same defect. It says that people who espouse certain disfavored views will be treated worse than those who don't. That's not crime control; it's mind control. When we deliberately do things that harm our fellow citizens, the government has every right to punish us. What thoughts we have while doing them are none of its business. COPYRIGHT 1999 CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC. Stephen Chapman is a columnist and editorial writer for the Chicago
[CTRL] Fw: DRUDGE-REPORT-FLASH 9/09/99
-Caveat Lector- X DRUDGE REPORT X THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 09, 1999 12:58:55 ET X LARRY KING FINALLY WINS EMMY; INTERVIEW WITH CONVICT! If you hang on long enough, if you have enough spunk to put on the suspenders every evening and you don't fall asleep on the air [doesn't matter if your audience snoozes off from time to time], one day, you'll win one. And on Wednesday night, it was finally his turn! Larry King, host of CNN's LARRY KING LIVE, received his first News and Documentary Emmy for Outstanding Interview/Interviewer at the 20th Annual News/Documentary Awards last night in New York City! King won the award for his 1998 interview with Karla Faye Tucker, which was Tucker's last interview before her execution. A sampling of King's award winning questions: "You have been in prison since that day you were arrested?" "Do they feed you well?" "When they said you were sentenced to death, who said that, the judge?" "Because there were axes, a lot of blood. It was a horrible death, right?" King was an easy choice for Emmy. But it was a bittersweet victory. King was left with the dilemma of celebrating an Emmy win knowing that Tucker was executed by lethal injection. "There will be no dancing on her grave," one CNN producer said Thursday morning. "Sure, it would have been nicer to win, say, for an interview with Marlon Brando. But Larry is now determined to do even better work." TIME magazine once said of King: "Now, after a half-century of hustling and scratching, after no college and hard knocks, after working as everything from mail-room clerk to racetrack flack, after six marriages, one annulment and five divorces, after being arrested for grand larceny, after declaring bankruptcy, after suffering a heart attack and undergoing bypass surgery, after all this and more, Larry King has finally arrived." Emmy for Outstanding Life. --- Filed by Matt Drudge Reports are moved when circumstances warrant http://www.drudgereport.com for updates (c)DRUDGE REPORT 1999 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Nach Paris!
-Caveat Lector- NACH PARIS! (WRLD 3:00 am) http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/story/21646.html It's an old joke. Question: Why does the Champs d'Elysees have so many trees? Answer: So the German army can march in the shade. Those fears appear to be rising again in France, according to a report in the International Herald Tribune, which quoted the permanent secretary of the French Academy as saying that Germany poses the biggest threat to European peace in the 21st century. Maurice Druon dismisses the recent history of warm relations between the two old antagonists, saying that the Germans are re-emerging as an imperial, dominant force in Europe. With Germany assuming a more prominent role in continental politics, and with Berlin once again the most important capital east of the Rhine, Druon is not the only Frenchman hearing jackboots in his sleep, the Herald Trib said. Better start sewing those white flags, Maurice. * http://skepticon.da.ru * ICQ# 19633976 * FAX: 603-415-3736 * * *** SkeptiChat: sliding down the razor-blade of life *** now featuring SkeptiNews: All The News That's Fit To Question email INFO or SUBSCRIBE SKEPTICHAT to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] The Balkanization of the World]
-Caveat Lector- Lucio Benedetto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Ethnically-plural states?" Since when has East Timor been part of a so-called Indonesian plurality (any more than the Albanians were part of a so-called Yugoslavian plurality, or Tibet part of a Chinese plurality, and we could go on)? snip Hold on! I didn't mean to imply that East Timor was ever part of an Indonesian *majority*. But Indonesia is, for better or for worse, composed of a large number of ethnic groups. Thanks to the IMF, each of those ethnic groups is caught in a double-bind: they can opt for political independence, and put themselves in the hands of international capital; or they can resist the world's new colonial masters and remain subordinate to Djakarta. Neither option is an appealing one. What I am suggesting is that the legitimate national aspirations of the East Timorese--which were repressed by the Indonesians, with the connivance of the U.S., in 1975--have been used as a pretext by the IMF to break up a large, ethnically-complex country (please note, I don't call it a nation as such) which happens to sit on top of massive natural resources, among them petrochemicals. I don't have a ready solution to the problem posed by East Timor. The rape of East Timor *is* as bad as what the Khmer Rouge did to Cambodia--you're absolutely right about that; I'd also compare it to the Rape of Nanjing by the Japanese Army in 1937. Condoning that obscenity is out of the question. But the alternative seems to be to create another microstate, whose existence will depend on the largesse of international corporations and which will exist as the client of some larger, wealthier state. There *has* to be a better way to accept and encourage the national dreams of the Timorese than what we see before us now. I am horrified by what I see happening. What worries me even more is that the terror being inflicted on East Timor appears to have been carefully set up--by whom, for what purposes, I can't say; but I believe that the hidden hand belongs to the IMF and its masters. In short, 2 + 2 = 4. Q.E.D. (I think)... = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [Skywatch Open List] Marsjet
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Dunn, Steven J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'UFO Updates' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Skywatch' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 7:50 AM Subject: [Skywatch Open List] Marsjet Steve's Cookie Intelligence (SCI) According to the July 19, 1999 issue of _Aviation Week Space Technology_, Wickman Spacecraft Propulsion Co. of Wickman, Wyoming, has successfully tested rocket and turbojet engines that use carbon dioxide as an oxidizer. As you can imagine, since CO2 is used terrestrially to put *out* fires, this requires an unusual fuel -- powdered magnesium. Magnesium is abundant on Earth and "is believed to exist in the soil on Mars." Which is the whole point. CO2 is 95% of the atmosphere on Mars, and the engines are intended for use in a small flying rover called the "Mars Airplane." ["The Barsoomian Air Force announced today that recent flying saucer reports were caused by reentry of a booster rocket launched by the Thog Alliance..."] G Steven DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: 666 and mark of the beast-is no mystery to christians or jewish.
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Anthony Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 12:33 AM Subject: 666 and mark of the beast-is no mystery to christians or jewish. Hello, we recieved the new testament from the Jewish people way back-The Jewish alphabet is numerical- hence-666=www-think-www.what www? The web is a modern day Babal-tower of Babal-ya know- one world system ya know-one world gov-ya know etc..What happened to the tower of Babal in the scriptures-and why-they were creating a one world gov.-why-to defraud the people-keep them stupid and take their wealth-just like -it will soon-also have you ever studied the book of Revelation? Alot of people say they don't understand it-every parable that is a parable in Revelation or the entire Bible is allways explained just right after your done with whole parable-and that way you know that you know and people just don't read on-it tell's it like it is today we now have the technology to match up to Revelation's sign's of the times-and the web is part of it! By the way study some Hebrew-and the numerals that are assigned to it-it will totally blow your mind! [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Rapture.
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Anthony Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 12:47 AM Subject: Rapture. Hello again, The Rapture is real in the Bible it is called "The Great Catching Away" and the 144,000 do not go then-the 144,000 refers to the Jewish that all go in one day during the Tribulation. The Jewish people and Jerusalem are our physical sign on earth-so we could have a general timeline to know whats ahead and where we are in prophecy. And you know where we are-anyway Millions upon Millions go in the Rapture! Really-and you all don't get goodie's you get seven years of stuff Steven King couldnt dream up. Anyway I hope you can believe Jesus is real and declare it out loud-if even to yourself and believe He would've died for you if you were the only human on earth He doesnt ask you to be perfect alone-He just says-only believe!Nobody can be perfected till we are with Him!God help us all!!! I dare you to [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What the corporate press isn'ttellingyouabouttheIndonesianMilitias
-Caveat Lector- from a twitter to a peep. Nurev Ind Research wrote: -Caveat Lector- Bill wrote: -Caveat Lector- And again you are emminently qualified to judge dumbness, I can tell...you a Doctor of Dumb? Sounds like it... BG I may not be emminently qualified, but I sure know it when I see it. And it's getting easier all the time. Joshua2 Nurev Ind Research wrote: -Caveat Lector- 9/8/99 When all you have is a hammer (and no brain), everything starts looking like a nail. Bill wrote: -Caveat Lector- I think they are trying to create dread and loathing against the word "Militia". This is the dumbest thing I've herd yet. American " patriots " don't have a monopoly on the word militia. Most militias are just a bunch of violent assholes. The Indonesian Militias are patriots too. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [freedomfight] Re: Beating [nick pat-see Post on Oligarchy]wowow!
If your truly interested in "fighting for freedom" you will read my Post with some deep thought. Our Creator gave us Freedom at birth. It is the evildoers that have been allowed to take it from us. Who are the evildoers? Pretty obvious to me: Those who carry out the dictates of the oligarchy. The oligarchy is using the Demo/Repub Party as its instrument to maintain control over us. Demo/Repub candidates for public office are screened to ensure that they will comply with the decisions of the Demo/Repub Party "leadership?", who take their orders from the Oligarchy. After all these years, don't you people get it yet. Increasing numbers of people don't vote because they know what the score is. Your FreedomFight is futile if you continue to vote for a Demo/Repub or sit out the election. Time better spent working for the election of a Constitutionlist. Who is A Constitutionlist? Well, I know of only one in the present Congress: Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas. Check out his voting record and learn a few things. (I'd furnish the url, but that would be too easy; you gotta get off those fat arses and start doing some work.) Why do you think the third parties are banned from national debates? The Oligarchy does not want the alternatives to become known; it's a threat to their control. Freedom has a price, and that price is vigilance. In our pursuit of the "good life", as defined by the Oligarchs, and with the aid of government schools, we have lost all desire to be self-governing individuals because the Oligarchy is "looking after you?" (or more precisely looking for ways to deprive you of what Freedoms you still have left. We have not been vigilant! Only solution to restore our Constitutional Republic is NOT to vote for any thug espousing the philosophy of the Demo/Repub Party whose programs are sanctioned by the Oligarchy. So what's gonna happen when the Rapist vetoes the Repub tax bill which offers only crumbs to the middle class? Nothing will happen, because the over-ride votes aren't there. Chief thug Lott just warned he expects the Rapist to veto it. The IMF thugs, as well as the FRS first thug, need the tax revenue stream to pay for the interest on u.S. obligations held by the Oligarchy, i.e. the flow of blood sucked from the wage earner must not be decreased or interrupted. Regards to Rick and Pat, two of my Brothers in Freedom. The Battle of the Haves and the Have-nots is ageless. Wise up Guys, Exposure of Corruption won't get you anywhere. Better to remove the commie dominated government school unions, and restore control of the government schools to a professional class of teachers (which is the way it use to be). The local school boards have been permeated with Communists AKA Liberals. Read up on the political philosophy of the founders of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). While doing that, you might include a read of the Communist Manifesto. Who gives a Rat's arse whether a candidate did dope in his/her past; Dudes, that's all diverionary to the real issues of our time. The Bitches who run up and embrace the Rapist during his quest for fiat-paper and electronic transfers of funds to his coffers are the ones who are morally bankrupt; and to think they are raising our next generation. Only when we have Constitutionalists sitting in the two Chambers of our Capitol will our cherished Constitution be restored. Bard Pat Rylance wrote: ABSOLUTELY NOT!! Bard is also new to the group, but occasionally their are things posted that are not of a political nature, just to give everyone a short break. If something is not of interest to you, use the delete button. No problem. But among the hundreds of emails I get, even the delete key can take time if this is the type of stuff FF is about. However, you've confirmed that it is not. Since this bothers you, maybe you should tell us what you want or expect to read on this email group. VRWC stuff. That's what I interpreted "freedomfight" to mean. Patriotic, constitutionalist type folks banding together to inform each other of what our "reps" in the district of corruption are doing, or more precisely continuing to do, to subvert liberty. And hopefully provide action ideas to help stop it (like the VoteFraud site below). You don't want to be another "eat, meet and retreat" type group. I also suggest you go into the egroup site and read some of the past posts to get an idea of what is usually posted. Thanks Pat! /s/ cia, http://www.networkamerica.org (VoteFraud Investigation Action Plan) Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/555 eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/freedomfight http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications
[CTRL] Fw: Israel Update -
-Caveat Lector- A few interesting points here.including where the Arc of the covenant (Government?) is the three precious gifts ,and Red Heifer 19 Peter We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage - Original Message - From: Koenig's International News [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 11:15 PM Subject: Israel Update - Corrected Note from Bill Koenig: Three weeks ago my step-sister, who works for a major airline, blessed my father and me with round-trip airline tickets to Israel. During our trip I had the opportunity to look into some areas of great interest to many Christians; status of the land on the Temple Mount; the Temple Mount water; the Ark of the Covenant; the red heifer of Numbers 19; the Third Temple vessels and items; the Third Temple cornerstone; and the reported Elijah sighting. Below are thoughts, observations, information and links for your review. I have also provided additional information on the status of the peace talks, some of this information was shared with you this weekend. STATUS OF THE LAND ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT Below is an excerpt and link to a Reuters article entitled "Jordan Says Ready To Cede Jerusalem Sites." The article states the responsibility for the Arab Mosques on the Temple Mount is being turned over to the Palestinians by the Jordanians. This is significant because this should make the land on the Temple Mount available for the final status talks with Israel, whether publicly or behind the scenes. Furthermore, the Shas political party wants land on the Temple Mount for construction of the Third Temple. The Shas are also an important part of Israeli Prime Minister Barak's peace coalition. So for Barak to continue receiving their cooperation and vote, land on the Temple Mount will likely become part of the negotiations. There are some who believe the Vatican is actively involved in behind the scenes discussions on the status of Temple Mount. We have observed that everytime PLA Chairman Yasser Arafat signs an agreement with Israel he heads to the Vatican to meet with the Pope within 24 hours. These meetings have happened at least three times in the last four and a half years. And has had at least an additional three meetings with the Pope in the last six years. These meetings and the relationship between the Pope and Arafat are of much interest. The Vatican has also been outspoken about the status of Jerusalem. The believe it should be the capital of the Jews, the Christians and the Arabs. Israel does not agree and said they will not share it with anybody. Jordan Says Ready To Cede Jerusalem Sites http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19990830/wl/mideast_jerusalem_2.html Jordan is ready to relinquish its religious authority over Muslim holy sites in Jerusalem to the Palestinian Authority, Jordanian Prime Minister Abdul-Raouf al-Rawabdeh has said. ``If our Palestinian brothers want to take over this responsibility, Jordan is willing to cede this responsibility to them,'' Rawabdeh said in an interview broadcast Sunday night by the Saudi-owned radio station Middle East Broadcasting Center. ``We are part of our Arab and Muslim nation. Our interest in Jerusalem is because we are part of this nation and we are not an alternative to our Palestinian brothers,'' he said. Jordan has in the past said it would hand over the authority to Palestinians once final status talks between the Palestinians and Israel are completed. Rawabdeh made no reference to the final status talk. * TEMPLE MOUNT WATER Zechariah 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. (KJV) Ezekiel 47:1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar. (KJV) One of the most talked about stories over the last few months has been the possibility of water flowing from the holy rock of Abraham and Isaac on the Temple Mount which was in the midst of the First and Second Temples. Today that rock is extended into the Dome Of The Rock mosque on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Richard Kyle and I did extensive research into Solomon's Quarry under the old city. This is an ancient rock quarry that begins under the north city wall just east of the Damascus Gate. Richard had been there numerous times and has taken pictures previously. We saw water seeping in several areas. This in itself is not that significant. Jerusalem is virtually built on top of one large limestone rock outcropping. There is water flowing through cracks in the rock similar to what is seen in the eastern United States. Water normally flows
[CTRL] Fwd: IMF to send investigative mission to East Timor
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rich Winkel) To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: IMF to send investigative mission to East Timor Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 01:49:15 -0500 (CDT) /** reg.easttimor: 2696.0 **/ ** Topic: IMF to send investigative mission to East Timor ** ** Written 10:57 PM Sep 5, 1999 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] in cdp:reg.easttimor ** Subject: IMF to send investigative mission to East Timor 14:51 09-05-99 IMF to send investigative mission to East Timor WASHINGTON, Sept 5 (Reuters) - The International Monetary Fund will send an investigative team to East Timor to assess its economic needs since its vote to become independent from Indonesia, IMF spokesman Bill Murray said on Sunday. The team's purpose would be to ``assess the economic situation and needs and requirements'' with a view to possibly providing financial assistance in future, the IMF spokesman said. On Friday, the World Bank said it was willing to provide assistance to help an independent East Timor build its economy with the support of other donors and agencies. Late on Friday, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said 78.5 percent of voters in a U.N.-organised ballot in East Timor last Monday had chosen independence from Indonesia, which annexed the territory in 1976. Indonesian President B.J. Habibie has said East Timor will be allowed to go free after a vote in the Indonesian legislature later this year. Murray said he could not say how soon the IMF team might go to East Timor, where conditions were unsettled and dangerous in the wake of the independence vote. Weekend reports from the region said organised anti-independence militias were threatening and shooting at United Nations officials and foreign journalists. The IMF cannot make loans to nations that are not members of the organisation but, as it does in Kosovo, can provide technical advice. With the possibility that an independent East Timor could apply in future for membership, the IMF is interested in assessing its economic prospects, Murray said. ** End of text from cdp:reg.easttimor ** *** This material came from the Institute for Global Communications (IGC), a non-profit, unionized, politically progressive Internet services provider. For more information, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (you will get back an automatic reply), or visit their web site at http://www.igc.org/ . IGC is a project of the Tides Center, a 501(c)(3) charitable organization. ** __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: MJ: US Aid for Indonesia
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rich Winkel) To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: MJ: US Aid for Indonesia Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 02:17:07 -0500 (CDT) /** reg.easttimor: 2694.0 **/ ** Topic: MJ: Strange Bedfellows: US Aid for Indonesia ** ** Written 10:42 PM Sep 5, 1999 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] in cdp:reg.easttimor ** Subject: MJ: Strange Bedfellows: US Aid for Indonesia MoJo Newswire [US] September 5, 1999 Strange Bedfellows: US Aid for Indonesia Despite international condemnation of its violent occupation and administration of East Timor, Indonesia has remained a key US ally and the recipient of billions of dollars in American military and economic aid over several decades. by J.J. Richardson Despite the UN's repeated calls for Indonesian forces to withdraw from East Timor -- and forceful condemnation of their conduct by human-rights groups -- the Indonesian military has enjoyed both the active and tacit support of the US government throughout its occupation of the tiny half-island. In fact, a declassified memorandum of a July 1975 conversation between President Gerald Ford and then-Indonesian President Suharto demonstrates clearly the extent of US support: Ford asks Suharto bluntly, "How big a Navy do you have and how big a Navy do you need?" The Ford administration's implicit acceptance of Indonesia's actions in East Timor can be traced to the eve of the province's invasion. On Dec. 6, 1975, Ford and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger met with Suharto in Jakarta; the next day, Indonesian troops flooded into the East Timorese capital of Dili. That same year, Ford approved the sale of 16 OV-10F Bronco ground-attack aircraft to Indonesia. According to Boeing's Web site, "The Bronco's outstanding capability to find and hit battlefield targets close to friendly troops made this an aircraft effective against ... guerrilla forces." In fact, Constncio Pinto, an East Timorese resistance leader, recalled "almost every inch of East Timor's land" being bombed by airplanes such as the Bronco following Indonesia's invasion of the island. In a 1998 editorial published in The Washington Post, Pinto also recounted Bronco aircraft being used to "napalm the [East Timorese] population into submission." According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute's arms transfers project, the 15 years following East Timor's invasion witnessed hundreds of millions of dollars in arms transfers from the US to Indonesia. In fact, in the year after the invasion, the Ford administration more than doubled its military assistance to the country. Particularly notable is the amount of military and economic aid given to Suharto's regime during the Carter administration. A key component of Carter's foreign policy was his professed concern for human rights abroad. However, while Carter enacted a de facto ban on advanced weaponry sales to Latin America -- reportedly motivated out of concern for human rights and a desire to avoid an arms race in the region -- he increased arms sales to the Indonesian government. According to Lynn Fredriksson of the East Timor Action Network (ETAN), "During [Carter's] administration, some of the most egregious violations in terms of human rights occurred [in Indonesia] It is a terrible irony for that supposedly liberal government" to have sold such large amounts of weapons to Suharto's regime. American presidents from Carter to Clinton repeatedly approved the sale of lethal equipment, from the 12 Northrop Grumman F-5E Tiger 2 fighter/ground-attack dual-use aircraft sold to Indonesia in 1977, to 12 General Dynamics F-16A Fighting Falcons (now manufactured by Lockheed Martin) -- lightweight fighters specializing in air-to-ground combat -- sold in 1986. In fact, the Clinton administration practically gave Indonesia two Douglas Aircraft TA-4J Skyhawks under the Excess Defense Articles (EDA) program, which allows the government to rid itself of military surplus free or at a significant discount. The planes are trainer versions of the A-4 attack model -- and thus are not equipped for combat -- but they could be modified for combat use, according to a Boeing spokesperson. (McDonnell Douglas has since merged with Boeing.) The planes were delivered to the Indonesians at a bargain price of $137,984 for the pair earlier this year. US foreign policy towards Indonesia began to change following November 1991's massacre in the East Timorese capital of Dili. Indonesian military forces -- using American-supplied M-16 assault rifles -- fired on a crowd of peaceful Timorese demonstrators, killing as many as 271 of them by some estimates. The demonstrators had gathered to mourn an East Timorese pro-independence leader killed by Indonesian soldiers two weeks prior. Two American journalists, Allan Nairn and Amy Goodman, witnessed the massacre; both were severely beaten. News of the massacre prompted international outrage, and 52 US Senators wrote to
[CTRL] rE publiceye piece
-Caveat Lector- Dave Could you do me a favor? Remember the piece you sent re PUBLIC EYE, RE their interview with Craig Hulet ? Could you send me a copy? I dont have a scanner and I want to send a copy to PUBLIC EYE...they dont beleive they ever made such an interview, If you could also send a copy to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it would help me. Sorry to inconvenience you! Im demanding equal space.and retraction etc. Tony Sutton DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What really is NLP?
-Caveat Lector- From: Sno0wl [EMAIL PROTECTED] The downside is the very human need to "belong"--a need that all these groups play on shamelessly, as do traditional religions-- and once you've found the autonomyand developed that cynicism about groups that these experiences engenderwell,you can't be a belonger. In a sense you've found both autonomy and safety == Guess what. Loose nit alliances between autonomous individuals DO exist and some of them have the gall to practice NLP. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Y2K bug opens door to terrorists, Bennett says: China considering attack on U.S. computers
-Caveat Lector- From Deseret News, http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,115007970,00.html? - Thursday, September 09, 1999 Y2K bug opens door to terrorists, Bennett says He says China considering attack on U.S. computers By Lee Davidson Deseret News Washington correspondent WASHINGTON Sen. Bob Bennett, R-Utah, says the year 2000 computer bug has created an unexpected new threat maybe bigger than the myriad other potential Y2K glitches worrying the world. He says because Y2K problems exposed how dependent America is on all-too-vulnerable computers, China indicates it might attack America by targeting its computers rather than with its military. "The Chinese have now said publicly in a paper that was published just a week ago that they are considering shutting down the United States' computers rather than attacking the United States" through military means, Bennett said. He said the Chinese paper concludes that the "American military is too strong. America's vulnerability is in its computers." Bennett said terrorists and others may follow suit. He said such attacks from hackers, industrial spies, terrorists and enemy nations are "going on right now and it will not stop on Jan. 1, 2000." Meanwhile, on the bright side, Bennett said America has made far more progress in solving Y2K glitches than he ever dreamed possible but some problems will still occur Jan. 1. Bennett gave that assessment Wednesday in a speech to the National Press Club after two years of investigating and warning about the bug as chairman of the Senate Special Committee on the Year 2000 Technology Problem. Bennett said enemies took notice when the Y2K problem showed how a minor computer glitch could wreak havoc with power, water, transportation, finance and other critical areas. That problem comes because older programs allow only two digits for a year, so the "00" when 2000 arrives would be interpreted as 1900. Bennett said, "This finally hit me as I was going through the Y2K experience. I realized how disadvantageous it would be to our economy to have all our computers fail by accident. What hit me was: What happens if they fail on purpose? "What is our vulnerability to those who wish us ill for one reason or another, who would use the depen- dence that we have on computers as an opportunity to attack us?" Bennett asked. He said, "There are the terrorists who would just love to shut us down in one way or another. We expect that they will attempt to use Y2K as a cover" for attacks, possibly slipping in viruses that computer operators may not notice as they struggle with other Y2K issues. On other Y2K matters, Bennett said, "We have accomplished far more than I would have predicted." But, he added, "Unfortunately, we still face the challenge that most of the (optimistic) information in front of us is self-reported. . . . There's always a concern that it may be a little too rosy." So, he added, "the situation is that awareness has paid off and work has been done but where fingers must still be crossed." He also warned that experts say "even in those systems that have had the greatest amount of work has been done to alleviate problems, there is going to be a series of failures." "Where? I don't know," he said. He added those failures are predicted to be minor and relatively easy to repair at organizations that have been working hard on the problem. "Most of the experts say the problems in the United States can be solved in 72 hours. And that's a very reassuring kind of number," he said. Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., the ranking Democrat on the committee, appeared with Bennett, noting foreign nations are in much worse shape than America in addressing the problem. He said many countries in "South America, Africa, Asia and even parts of Europe clearly are not prepared for Y2K." He said the biggest concerns are in China, Japan, Russia and Italy. Dodd said he is also concerned with the U.S. health-care industry because it is especially dependent on computer microchips in equipment, and some recent testing showed some supposedly Y2K-compliant machines still will fail. Dodd said the biggest threat from Y2K is that people may panic and unnecessarily hoard money and food, creating shortages because of it. He said no need exists for such hoarding. -- Dan S DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Deadly Fruit of Kabbalah]
-Caveat Lector- I suggest that the subject header for this post is incredibly misleading. Kabbalism's closest cousin is Gnosticism and both have long been attacked by traditionalists for advocating a direct relationship with spirit and for stating that a clergy is an unnecessary middleman. Priesthoods of various kinds have, predictably, condemned such approaches. If one subtracts the belief from the human psyche that someone needs to mediate one's relationship with one's creator, the entirety of RELIGION [not to be confused with SPIRITUALITY because spirituality is not primarily using false divine dictates to control in pursuit of an always hidden agenda] dies. Direct relating with one's creator is a bane to those who would control. The "deadly fruit" of the Kabbalah is a sharp, spiritual mind. Kabbalah embraces the taboo of using one's reasoning faculties to listen to god as he speaks, and to interpret such speech. The only thing that reason is "deadly" to is iGNOrance and institutions based on the propagation of iGNOrance [unlike GNOsis]. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Danforth-a true insider(oligarch)? [check it out!]
-Caveat Lector- http://www.mojones.com/coinop_congress/stock_congress/john_danforth.html SEN. JOHN DANFORTH (R-MO) On October 29, 1993, Sen. Danforth purchased between 100,000 and 200,000 dollars worth of stock in Bell Atlantic. This is the day after the Senate started their hearing on the anti-trust implications of the proposed Bell Atlantic/TCI merger. Two weeks earlier (October 15, 1993), the national media ran a number of stories about Congress' growing concerns over the proposed Bell Atlantic/TCI merger. The Washington Post quoted Sen. Metzenbaum as saying he was considering legislation that would block the Bell Atlantic/TCI deal. Metzenbaum said, "They're going to be in a position to drive out other companies in the market and that's bad for consumers." Sen. Danforth, on the other hand, was quoted as saying that telephone companies SHOULD be able to enter the cable television business. On June 14, 1993, Sen. Danforth purchased between 2,000 and 30,000 dollars worth of stock in Raytheon (i.e., Patriot Missiles). On the same day (June 14), the House introduced H.R. 2401: DEFENSE DEPARTMENT AUTHORIZATION ACT FOR FY94 (Became Public Law 103-160). During the period February 18, 1993 thru April 13, 1993, Sen. Danforth purchased between 160,000 and 450,000 dollars worth of stock in Tenneco. Tenneco own Newport News Shipbuilding and Dry Dock Co. which manufactures submarines and nuclear aircraft carriers, overhauls and repairs Naval vessels, refuels nuclear-powered ships, and provides navigation equipment for Naval vessels. During these months, defense contractors were "running-scared" over President Clinton's proposed defense budget cuts. In Congress, defense "hawks" like Danforth were busy with damage control. On the industry side, Tenneco and General Dynamics started a major marketing fight over who would get additional Seawolf Attack Submarine contracts. Between 38 to 44 percent of Sen. Danforth's Tenneco purchases were made from March 26 to April 13, 1993. It was during this period of time that Congress was debating and negotiating the EMERGENCY SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS ACT OF 1993 (Became Public Law 103-24 on April 23, 1993). This bill contained appropriations for the Department of Defense. During the period January 15, 1993 thru August 25, 1993, Sen. Danforth purchased between 37,000 and 205,000 dollars worth of stock in Texaco. During these months, particularly in the beginning of the year, Congress was wrestling with President Clinton's proposed BTU energy tax. Of course, firms like Texaco would be opposed to any such energy tax. On April 2, 1993, Sen. Danforth introduced S. 769: AVIATION FUEL TAX INCREASE PROHIBITION ACT (Referred to Senate Finance, Pending). Interestingly, but not surprising, Texaco manufactures AVIATION FUEL! Between 71 to 89 percent of Sen. Danforth's Texaco purchases were made AFTER he introduced S. 769. During the period January 15, 1993 thru February 2, 1993, Sen. Danforth purchased between 4,000 and 60,000 dollars worth of stock in Philip Morris. Sen. Danforth sold between 30,000 and 100,000 dollars worth of Philip Morris on April 2, 1993. On the same day, Frank Lautenberg (NJ) added himself as a cosponsor to S. 513: TOBACCO CONSUMPTION REDUCTION AND HEALTH IMPROVEMENT ACT (Referred Senate Finance, Pending). This bill sought to impose additional excise taxes on tobacco products. PAC NOTES: Sen. Danforth has received PAC contributions from Tenneco ($7,000); Philip Morris ($1,000); Bell Atlantic ($2,000). Notes: Sen. Danforth was # 4 on the Senate Finance Committee; # 3 on the Senate Intelligence Committee; # 2 on the Senate National Ocean Policy Study Subcommittee. On December 11, 1991, Sen. Danforth purchased between 100,000 and 250,000 dollars worth of stock in Sun Microsystems. According to the Atlanta Journal and Constitution, Sun Microsystems provides battlefield computer technology and semiconductors used in missile and radar systems. Sun also developed the 3-D computer imaging system used by pilots during the Gulf War. One day later, December 12, President Bush signed P.L. 229: a SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS bill...MILITARY PROCUREMENT FOR OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/DESERT STORM. In twenty days, the value of Sen. Danforth's stock appreciated 15 percent. About Us Subscribe MoJo World Archives Search Advertise Site Map Foundation for National Progress | All Rights Reserved | All letters to the editor are for publication and may be edited for length and clarity. http://www.mojones.com/coinop_congress/stock_congress/john_danforth.html Plato: "A government resting on a valuation of property, in which the rich have power and the poor man is deprived of it. And so they grow richer and richer, and the more they think of making a fortune the less they think of virtue; for when riches and virtue are placed together in the scales
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] The Balkanization of the World]
-Caveat Lector- OK, your position is much clearer now and is one with which I can sympathize. I, too, do not wish to see the Timorese substitute one set of crony capitalists for another. However, we have to be careful that such concerns don't leave us sitting on our hands when people are being murdered and forcefully repatriated en masse. I hate to say it, but in a case like this I'd rather see a multinational force on the ground to stop the killing first. Next, we can continue to wage our campaigns against the IMF (and I know that's a highly idealistic notion). Timor once again reminds us that capital is infinitely flexible, finding in any situation a means to fulfill its own ambitions, manipulating even resistance to its machinations into a manageable, profitable enterprise. We are at a most frustrating and depressing point in history when freedom is measured only in terms of one's ability to become a consumer, when national liberation becomes a means of multinational enslavement, when our finest hopes and dreams are undermined by powers beyond our reach. What is to be done, indeed. Cheers, Lucio - Original Message - From: Robert Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] The Balkanization of the World] -Caveat Lector- Lucio Benedetto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Ethnically-plural states?" Since when has East Timor been part of a so-called Indonesian plurality (any more than the Albanians were part of a so-called Yugoslavian plurality, or Tibet part of a Chinese plurality, and we could go on)? snip Hold on! I didn't mean to imply that East Timor was ever part of an Indonesian *majority*. But Indonesia is, for better or for worse, composed of a large number of ethnic groups. Thanks to the IMF, each of those ethnic groups is caught in a double-bind: they can opt for political independence, and put themselves in the hands of international capital; or they can resist the world's new colonial masters and remain subordinate to Djakarta. Neither option is an appealing one. What I am suggesting is that the legitimate national aspirations of the East Timorese--which were repressed by the Indonesians, with the connivance of the U.S., in 1975--have been used as a pretext by the IMF to break up a large, ethnically-complex country (please note, I don't call it a nation as such) which happens to sit on top of massive natural resources, among them petrochemicals. I don't have a ready solution to the problem posed by East Timor. The rape of East Timor *is* as bad as what the Khmer Rouge did to Cambodia--you're absolutely right about that; I'd also compare it to the Rape of Nanjing by the Japanese Army in 1937. Condoning that obscenity is out of the question. But the alternative seems to be to create another microstate, whose existence will depend on the largesse of international corporations and which will exist as the client of some larger, wealthier state. There *has* to be a better way to accept and encourage the national dreams of the Timorese than what we see before us now. I am horrified by what I see happening. What worries me even more is that the terror being inflicted on East Timor appears to have been carefully set up--by whom, for what purposes, I can't say; but I believe that the hidden hand belongs to the IMF and its masters. In short, 2 + 2 = 4. Q.E.D. (I think)... = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] no mind control - was: [CTRL] (no subject)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Sno0wl [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 7 Sep 99, , Ric wrote: From: Fred Saluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have never been a victim of mind control, but I would be interested in information concerning your organization. What makes you think this is an organization? Do we LOOK organized? How do you know that you've never been subjected to mind control? Wouldn't a sophisticated MC program hide itself, deceiving you to think that you're NOT controlled? How do we know that you're not an agent of a MC group, sent to infiltrate us? Why are you really seeking information about us? What's your program? ROTFLOL Ric, you're hilarious. :)) Or mind-controlled. Hard to tell, usually. If I'm extraordinarily bright and witty, the implant's working right. If not, well, hell, it's a good excuse, eh? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #4
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990909d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No fire-breathing women were harmed during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # THE LITTLE ENGINE THAT MIGHT. The Entropy engine sucks heat from the atmosphere to produce nonpolluting power that requires no fuel whatsoever. Skeptics abound. But they're outnumbered by suckers. http://wired.com/news/news/explode-infobeat/technology/story/21641.html : What's your favorite perpetual motion device? Have you ever bought such a device? Does it hold a cherished place in your collection? Wanna buy more?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Magnet Therapy: What's The Attraction? (ScienceDaily) Magnet therapy: it's a billion dollar biz worldwide. Firms sell magnets that promise to relieve chronic pain. A 1997 double-blind test concluded that magnets reduced pain in post-polio patients. But a U. Maryland physics professor casts doubts on magnet therapy - with some simple experiments you can try at home. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/09/990909071842.htm _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # TURNING STRUCTURES INSIDE OUT. Scientists use sound waves to scout for flaws and cracks in concrete structures -- an advance that could lead to safer buildings, bridges, and freeways. Why not scan people, too? http://wired.com/news/news/explode-infobeat/technology/story/21650.html : Have you ever done ultrasound analysis of UFOs, aliens, MIBs, cultists, a planet? Is your head structurally sound? Have you been turned inside out??? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # New Type Of Proto-Planetary Nebula Hints At Stellar Superwind. (SD) Find- ing a new type of low-surface-brightness reflection nebula around aging stars gives important clues about how stars lose mass and form planetary nebulae. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/09/990909080653.htm : Who's your favorite aging star? Is William Shatner a stellar superwind? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ The Phoenix Lights: The Truth. Why the many sightings videos of a giant triangular craft, and flashing rows of brilliant lights over Phoenix AZ? The US govt Lockheed have jointly designed and built a gigantic stealth blimp; 1000 feet long, it flies silently. The stealth technology features an array producing a fluctuating star field, making it virtually invisible to the naked eye. While flying over Arizona this was not utilized due to the amount of air traffic in the area, thus the triangular light pattern seen in the video. When reports started coming in, the military deployed aircraft over Phoenix, dropping flares to redirect attention away from the highly classified blimp. (Menin Black) news:alt.paranet.ufo:150335 : Have you ever designed/built/flown/detected/destroyed a stealth blimp? Do they make good weaponry/surveillance/broadcast platforms? Are they common? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # FRAGADELIC FEMALES DUKE IT OUT. Women from across America gather for Female Frag Fest '99, the annual Quake contest for grrls only. http://wired.com/news/news/explode-infobeat/culture/story/21624.html # SOUTH PARK AS ART, SCIENCE. The controversial TV show offers a weekly study in genetic engineering, according to one highbrow. http://wired.com/news/news/explode-infobeat/culture/story/21623.html : Do you employ/exploit video/gaming technology for mind-control? Are you reprogramming entire generations of humans? What are your goals? Who gains? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Millennium-A-Rama: # 9-9-99 A PIECE OF CAKE. US Energy Dept billed this supposedly problematic date as a power-grid dress rehearsal for Y2K. Surprise - no problems. http://wired.com/news/news/explode-infobeat/technology/story/21654.html # DRESSED TO THE 9-9-99S. Is 9-9-99 a significant problem date for the world's computers or a non-event being exploited by the power industry to calm doomsayer fears? Would they lie to you? Have they ever? What? http://wired.com/news/news/explode-infobeat/technology/story/21637.html # De Beers shows millennium jewels. LONDON (AP) A flawless, 203-carat pear- shaped diamond was among the rare jewels displayed by De Beers in London as part of its Millennium collection. The stone, called the Millennium Star, was discovered several years ago in Zaire. It is more than four times the weight of the 45.52-carat Hope Diamond. Perfect for a laser - see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561067546-fce # RUSSIA NOT RUSHING TO Y2K CRISIS. The safety of nuclear weapons built by the former USSR is very much a question as Y2K approaches. But Russia still hasn't committed itself to help staff a vital US command center. http://wired.com/news/news/explode-infobeat/politics/story/21642.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Skeptilinks: # CORRECTION. URL was inadvertently left off an item in SkeptiNews 990908a:
Re: [CTRL] THIS WILL BE OF INTEREST TO YOU!!
-Caveat Lector-
Hi Jean,
The interview with Antony Sutton which you forwarded is an interesting one,
which I read a few days ago.
I know the interviewer, Kris, from an email list I've been on for a year or
so.
Antony Sutton is a great source of information- I'm planning to buy a few of
his books on political stuff; he also writes about alternative energy, seems
especially interested in cold fusion.
David Gould seems to be a bit on the proselytic side of Christiandom for my
personal "comfort."
Your information from Nancy regarding the Windows 4 digit date is CORRECT.
However- the "NSAkey" crypto information at:
http://www.cryptonym.com/hottopics/msft-nsa.html
is apparently QUITE TRUE, and many high-level security programmers/analysts
are working on this issue. It has been widely reported in online technical
circles and news sources.
Microsoft denies any truth in the matter, but fails to provide convincing
explanation- they claim it's a "backup key" -which crypto experts agree is a
"feeble" excuse.
NSA's comment:
"US export control regulations require that cryptographic [application
program interfaces] be signed," NSA's public affairs office wrote.
"The implementation of this requirement is left up to the company. Specific
questions about specific products should be addressed to the company."
My personal investigation on the "NSAkey" crypto key leads me to believe it
is exactly what it says it is: NSAkey.
Denials in print conform to establishment disinformation protocols such as
denouncing the investigators as "conspiracy kooks," etc., but provide no
plausible explanation outside of the obvious:
NSA is obsessed with accessing the world's communications.
http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/21589.html?wnpg=2
We already have proof that they've been "eavesdropping" on PRIVATE
communications through Project Echelon for over 10 YEARS. This information
was first made public in CAQ (Covert Action Quarterly) in 1996:
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/t362aa4881def.htm
and is currently of interest to the U.S. Congress in terms of eliminating
NSA's spying on U.S. citizen's telephone and internet traffic:
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37582c5120d3.htm
It should here be noted that the Internet was created by the U.S DoD
(Department of Defence; the MILITARY) and it should be assumed that EVERY
BIT of Internet traffic is readily available to U.S. government interception
via Project Echelon.
(Please read this paragraph once more)
We also know that Microsoft provides their software to the U.S. government
on CD's which need no installation key (for ease of unlimited
installations).
We also know that the U.S. Department of Justice appears to have abruptly
lost interest in anti-trust proceedings against Microsoft- which has an
undeniable history of crushing it's competition to reach it's current
undeniable MONOPOLY.
It would appear that Microsoft may have bought it's secure monopoly status?
Unless we are to be pacified by the mouthings of Microsoft and the visible
portion of the U.S. government's covert "intelligence gathering" agency, we
must assume that the most likely scenario is the TRUE one; and that a lame
excuse of a "secret backup key" is a lame excuse.
Looking this Trojan "gift horse" in the mouth allows us the chance to
possibly "pull the teeth" of this plan- to investigate carefully this rare
OPPORTUNITY to gain control of the encryption "backdoor" built into
Microsoft's operating systems ('95 osr2, all '98, all NT4 NT5) by
inserting the encryption key of OUR OWN choice in place of the "NSAkey."
Programmers are hard at work on it- if you're a programmer who'd like to get
involved, see the cryptonym site.
best wishes,
Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart
-Original Message-
From: jean hudon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 2:24 AM
To: Dave
Subject: THIS WILL BE OF INTEREST TO YOU!!
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999
From: Mark Graffis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 201-Sutton
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 22:23:10 -0700
From: David Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 201-Sutton
Post Number 201: Anthony Sutton
This man should need no introduction; you would do well to read every
book he has written and start with The Best Enemy Money Can Buy. This
is where he shows that Russia could never have existed without money
from the United States.
This is where you begin to lea
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THEN I ASK THIS TO NANCY...
Thanks Nancy for letting me know, albeit belatedly. I'll pass this on to
the list in a coming series of feedbacks. Can you please check with
Melanie is this other one below is also a hoax -- to her knowledge...
From: Zombie Cow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:13:01 -0400
Subject: A-M$: The Microsoft NSA Back Door.
http://www.cryptonym.com/hottopics/msft-nsa.html
It turns out that every copy of Windows 95, 98, NT 4, and Windows 2000
has a back door that makes it easy for the National
Re: [CTRL] Why Greens Should Love Pesticides
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: "Taylor, John (JH)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Upscale homemakers across the land are no doubt rejoicing over the additional "food safety" for their families. Unfortunately, the real-world results are likely to be more cancer and less wildlife habitat. == me: uh - hmmthe author seems to be saying that fruits and vegetables with laboratory produced chemicals cause cancer less often than fruits and vegetables grown naturallyi am sorry but that is quite a claim and without some explanation it is but a bad joke == Now we're ready to turn our backs on both food security and wildland conservation -- to eliminate food risks we can't even find. == me: uhfood grown naturally with soil replenishment set as the highest priority has a far greater amount of nutrition than that grown as most do - with chemicals that destroy the nutrition in the soil. that means that one acre of PROPERLY grown broccoli has much more FOOD VALUE than an acre grown any other way. because of soil depletion, it now requires over 70 bowls of spinach to equal the amount of iron found in one bowl of spinach in 1948. that is one reason for chronic obesity in the world, especially in the united states. no matter how much you eat you are still lacking in the proper nutrition...so we eat and eat to just satisfy a craving for nutrition and, of course, it rarely happensusually obesity is the result. == The second-biggest achievement of the Green Revolution is saving wildlands with higher yields. We're currently feeding more than twice as many people as lived in 1950, and doing it from essentially the same 37% of the planet's land area that we farmed in 1950. == me: and many of them eat and eat and eat to get nutrition that is no longer there. besides, with the enormous rate at which slash and burn claims rainforest and jungle, the above merely means that we are leaving plots depleted with no thought of its soil [hence, showing no vision for our own survival] for other plots which we can rape for a couple of decades and then move on againi got news: THERE IS A FINITE AMOUNT OF LAND ON THE PLANET. == Higher crop yields have saved more than 15 million square miles of wildlife habitat from being plowed for low-yield traditional farming == me: a greater amount of the world has been paved and developed than ever before so this "agricultural revolution" has merely saved land for other types of development - it is really simple algebra. == There is no vegetarian trend to ease the world's impending agricultural burden. Instead, higher incomes are driving the biggest surge of meat and milk consumption the Third World has ever seen. To save the current wildlands despite the larger, more affluent population in the next century, we will have to triple the yields on the land we're already farming. == me: at which point i will need over 210 bowls of spinach to get a daily allowance of iron and obesity will not be merely common - it will be the norm. heck, by that time we will have saved ALL the wildlands for development and there will be no room for animals and we will have to use our OWN feces for fertilizer. not that it will be worth anything because OUR OWN diets will be empty. no, if we don't simply stop the population growth itself, we are doomed to a quite dismal future. == We will also need more biotech breakthroughs like the new high- yielding crops for acidic tropic soils recently pioneered in Mexico. == me: i just KNEW that was comingi bet the author is all for patenting genetic sequences. if any human evolves a child that duplicates that sequence, it will be time for royalties, won't it? == Do pesticide residues cause cancer? We've added 30 years to our lifespans in the 20th century, eight of them since we started spraying pesticides widely == me: hell, put ME on life support for about a hundred or two hundred years and i can claim to have lived to be over 200! the question is, are passive life support systems [the majority of allopathic medicine] a substitute
[CTRL] (Fwd) SFTT Special: Shooting Straight on Anthrax
-Caveat Lector-
""" Another example is the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs
inferring in a 14 Aug 1998 press briefing and again during her
Congressional testimony last March that the anthrax vaccination policy had
been approved by a Yale medical school professor. However, in a letter to
Rep. Christopher Shays (R-CT) this past April the doctor, who is a
gynecologist, admitted to no expertise in anthrax. DOD has never
acknowledged this admission by their expert or explained why they asked
a gynecologist to review a vaccination program. """
This smacks of the medicoes contra firearms "expretise". AER
""" Additionally, a November 1998 Nation Magazine article reported, at the
end of 1997 Russian scientists had published a paper in the British medical
journal Vaccine describing the creation of a genetically engineered anthrax
strain that was resistant to standard Russian anthrax vaccine. Alibek stated
in another interview: Vaccines are not the answer. """
This seems to fall in line with the 'designer drug' scheme except this is the
'designer disease' (as if Nature wasn't doing well enough all alone {ref
posting on antibiotics this week}). AER
--- Forwarded Message Follows ---
Date forwarded: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 03:12:21 -0400
This Special Mailing is provided to educate and inform SFTT readers on a
major issue affecting the readiness of the US military. SFTT continues to
support calls for an immediate cessation of the current anthrax
vaccination program pending an independent investigation to determine the
safety and efficacy of the vaccine.
Shooting Straight on Anthrax
By Redmond H. Handy
A White Paper on the August 5, 1999 DOD Press Briefing
On August 5, 1999, Mr. Ken Bacon, Assistant Secretary of Defense for
Public Affairs held a briefing for reporters on the DOD anthrax
vaccination program. He and the senior military officers who briefed the
reporters made statements about the anthrax vaccination policy that are in
direct conflict with General Accounting Office (GAO) investigations and
testimony before Congress. This article reviews selected DOD answers to
reporters questions during that briefing (the briefing excerpts are
preceded by "Q" and "A" etc.). We encourage you to read the entire
briefing transcript which is linked to on the SFTT web site at the address
listed below.
This article is also posted on the SFTT website at
http://www.sftt.org/articles/shooting_straight.shtml in the articles
section and uses hyperlinks to other sources so that readers have access
to more detailed and accurate -- information
Q: Why can't this be on the record?
Mr. Bacon: This is pretty technical stuff and I thought it would be a
freer flow, more of a dialogue, if we did it this way
Q: There won't be any names attached to it, though.
Mr. Bacon: We're going to do it this way, and there will be future
opportunities to talk about that
Comment: Mr. Bacons linkage of anonymity and the disclosure of technical
details, of which few were discussed in the briefing, is difficult to
understand. He gave similar vague answers justifying anonymity for senior
military officers when the mandatory anthrax vaccination policy was
announced on 15 Dec 1997. Why are general and flag officers -- who are
supposed to be warriors -- hiding behind a shield of anonymity when
discussing this policy?
DOD has lacked candor in the past when addressing servicemembers health
concerns. DOD took years to admit the health risks to servicemembers
exposed to nuclear tests in the 1950s, Agent Orange during the Vietnam
War, and chemical weapons during the Gulf War. Anonymous briefings by
senior officers on the anthrax vaccination policy display a similar lack
of candor. Rightly or not, this anonymous approach fuels the perception by
military personnel that they may once more be used as guinea pigs in a
DOD experiment.
Army general officer briefer: I've got to tell you, personally it would
be irresponsible and it's unconscionable that we would take a trooper into
that threat area and not be vaccinated
And as a leader, I can't fathom
that we would ever take a trooper into that threat environment without
being vaccinated.
Comment: This statement mirrors SecDef Cohens remark last March that he
would be derelict in his duties if he did not mandate the anthrax
vaccine. DODs attempt to frame the anthrax vaccine as moral imperative
may be an effective way to shut off debate about its safety, efficacy and
doctrinal necessity. However, this approach ignores the fact that our
major adversaries since WWII have had weaponized anthrax and that the FDA
first licensed this vaccine in 1970. Does this mean that every SecDef and
general officer since the Nixon Administration has been derelict because
they did not mandate use of the vaccine?
A 16 Aug 1999 Washington Post op-ed observed that, while the risk of
bioterrorism may have
[CTRL] Fwd: UNDERNEWS Sep 9
UNDERNEWS Sam Smith September 9, 1999 The Progressive Review 1739 Conn. Ave. NW Washington DC 20009 202-232-5544 Fax: 202-234-6222 E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INDEX: http://prorev.com RECENT UNDERNEWS: http://prorev.com/indexa.htm TODAY'S HEADLINE NEWS: http://prorev.com/altnews.htm THE REVIEW FORUM: http://prorev.com/letters.com THE REVIEW UNCLASSIFIEDS: http://www.prorev.com/jobs.htm DONATIONS AND ORDER FORM: http://prorev.com/order3.htm UNSUBSCRIBE: Reply with 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. For a free subscription to our e-mail updates send your postal address with zip code. Copyright 1999, The Progressive Review. Matter not independently copyrighted may be reprinted provided TPR is paid your normal reprint fees, if any, and is given proper credit. Because of its quantity, TPR's mail is not always answered, but it is always read. The editor is cheered or remorseful as appropriate and posts some of the more interesting messages at http://prorev.com/letters.htm -- THE REVIEW LIST Things that John Danforth, Clarence Thomas, and Ralston Purina have in common -- DANFORTH hired THOMAS out of law school as an assistant attorney general in Missouri. -- DANFORTH brought THOMAS to Washington as a legislative assistant when elected to the Senate. -- DANFORTH helped THOMAS get appointed to the Reagan transition team, the Department of Education, and the EEOC. -- DANFORTH helped THOMAS get appointed to the US Court of Appeals, calling him my "personal friend." -- DANFORTH played a crucial role in getting THOMAS appointed to the Supreme Court. -- DANFORTH, during the time in question, owned RALSTON PURINA stock worth more than $7.5 million. -- Two brothers of DANFORTH were on the board of directors of RALSTON PURINA -- One brother of DANFORTH was a member of the board of trustees of Washington University, which had large holdings in RALSTON PURINA. -- Alpo and RALSTON PURINA were sued on charges of false advertising. -- US District Judge Stanley Sporkin fond both companies in the wrong, but found that RALSTON PURINA alone had acted willfully in having "perpetrated a cruel hoax" on dog owners in its claims that it dog food could cure a serious ailment. He assessed a $10 million fine against RALSTON PURINA. -- A few weeks after being confirmed, THOMAS heard the RALSTON PURINA appeal. He wrote an opinion for the court overturning the $10 million fine against RALSTON PURINA. -- This was good news for his friend DANFORTH and his $7.5 million in RALSTON PURINA stock, but appears to be a clear violation of 28 USC 455 which requires a federal judge to disqualify himself in proceedings in which the judge's impartiality "might" reasonably be questioned. [This information appeared in the August 24, 1991, edition of Legal Times in an article by Monroe Freedman, professor of legal ethics at Hofstra University Law School. Freedman wrote that "Thomas showed no regard for his ethical obligations as a judge and no respect for the statutory mandate that he recuse himself. On both counts, Thomas is unfit to sit on the Supreme Court of the United States." The media, more interested in stray hairs on Coke cans, ignored the story.] LAND OF THE FREE DAVEY D, FRIDAY NITE VIBE NEWSLETTER: Bad news for Ja Rule as Hartford Conn. police are pointing fingers at his fans stating that they are way to rowdy. The other night, during his concert more then 400 people stormed the stage when Ja took the stage. In order to 'calm things down', the police felt it was necessary to pepper spray the crowd. It isn't clear as to how many arrests were made, but many are saying the police totally over-reacted. It seems like this is a growing trend I've gotten a number of letters from all over the country reporting similar behavior There have been reports coming from New York City, a couple of additional scenarios out in Los Angeles and one in New Orleans. The common thread seems to be the police coming out and running some sort of practice drills during or after Hip Hop concerts. This may have to become a new campaign for the ACLU.. DAVEY D'S HIP HOP CORNER http://www.daveyd.com GERALDINE SEALEY ABC NEWS: In a survey released today by the American Tort Reform Association, a quarter of secondary and elementary school principals surveyed said they had been involved in a lawsuit or out-of-court settlement in the last two years. Seventy-two percent said they spend more than an hour a week in meetings or documenting events in efforts to avoid litigation Sixty-five percent of principals surveyed said they have noticed a difference in the kinds of school-related programs offered because of the threat of lawsuits and high insurance costs. Some principals report phasing out drivers education, swimming, gymnastics and shop classes. And some have even changed how they and their staff interact with students. About
[CTRL] Concentration of wealth.
-Caveat Lector- September 5, 1999 Gap Between Rich and Poor Found Substantially Wider By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON (NYT) The gap between rich and poor has grown into an economic chasm so wide that this year the richest 2.7 million Americans, the top 1 percent, will have as many after-tax dollars to spend as the bottom 100 million. That ratio has more than doubled since 1977, when the top 1 percent had as much as the bottom 49 million, according to new data from the Congressional Budget Office. In dollars, the richest 2.7 million people and the 100 million at the other end of the scale will each have about $620 billion to spend, according to an analysis of the budget office figures. The analysis was done by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a nonprofit organization in Washington that advocates Federal tax and spending policies that it says would benefit the poor. The analysis, released last night, seems certain to stoke the debate that is about to resume in Washington over projected Federal budget surpluses and possible tax cuts. The data from the budget office show that income disparity has grown so much that four out of five households, or about 217 million people, are taking home a thinner slice of the economic pie today than in 1977. When adjusted for inflation, as all of the income figures have been, these households' share of national income has fallen to just under 50 percent from 56 percent in 1977. But among the most prosperous one-fifth of Americans households, or about 54 million people, whose share of the national income grew, that fatter slice of the pie was not sliced evenly. More than 90 percent of the increase is going to the richest 1 percent of households, which this year will average $515,600 in after-tax income, up from $234,700 in 1977. Since 1993, the economy has lifted the incomes of all of the income groups tracked by the budget office, but the incomes of the richest Americans are rising twice as fast as those of the middle class. In addition, the budget office figures understate the economic power of the richest 1 percent because they exclude deferred forms of income like restricted stock, which have grown rapidly in recent years as companies have expanded their pay plans from senior executives down to store and plant manager levels. Though the economic pie has grown over the past 22 years, the Congressional Budget Office data show that the poorest one-fifth of households have not shared in this bounty. The average after-tax household income of the poor, adjusted for inflation, has fallen 12 percent since 1977. So the poor not only have a small slice of a big economic pie, but the pie is bigger and their piece is even smaller. The poorest one-fifth of households will average $8,800 of income this year, down from $10,000 in 1977. Congressional Republicans have passed legislation to cut taxes by $792 billion over the next 10 years, legislation that President Clinton has promised to veto, saying it is imprudent and favors the rich. The Republicans say that a tax cut is justified because Federal tax revenue rose last year to 21.7 percent of the economy, the highest since World War II, and because the Congressional Budget Office anticipates surpluses as far into the future as its projections go. The Republicans acknowledge that most of their proposed tax cuts will go to taxpayers making $100,000 or more a year, but they say that since these high-income Americans pay 62 percent of Federal income taxes they should get most of the benefits of a tax cut. "The tax bill's benefits are roughly proportional to the taxes that each taxpayer pays," Bruce Bartlett, a Treasury official in the Reagan and Bush Administrations, has written. President Clinton, who says that budget surpluses may never materialize, wants to pay down the national debt before cutting taxes. He also says that a tax cut should not bestow the bulk of its benefits on the rich, and he wants part of any surplus to finance new programs. The budget and policy center's report says that one reason the rich are doing so well is the cumulative effect of tax cuts since 1977, when the top Federal income tax bracket was 50 percent, compared with the current
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Hillary Registered as aPresidentialCandidate
-Caveat Lector- pennie hammons wrote: -Caveat Lector- Forbes, damn it! Forbes! Read his book! WE decide who's going to be president. Let's throw a wrench in their conspiracy gears! Forbes sucks and is WAY too ugly to be President. I don't want to have to look at that countenance every time I go to the post office. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor
-Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/7/99 9:11:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I certainly agree that this is not a laughing matter. ...Only a sick person would post such a thing. Oh bullshit! It's not that big a fucking deal. Let's not get too carried away. The medical profession kills ten times the number of dead people at Waco every day. Joshua2 Yeah well whatever, guess it's mighty cool to mock Chelsea Clinton while she was a mere child though? "Two-faced" double standards are the order of the day among the bible and guns set I guess... As Rush would say..."Lighten' Up Folks" And Limbaugh is ALWAYS right, isn't he? (Ooops, I forgot, he's another "fake" conservative"...sorry! Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A NEW ENERGY MOTOR
-Caveat Lector- Ric says - Could megacorps suppress a free-energy device? In some places, for a while, sure. But suppose I'd designed such a device, and a simple method for producing it, and I don't want to be suppressed - what do I do? How about: I go to Cuba, to North Korea, to Iraq, to Burma, to 'pariah' states where international cartels don't have a lot of sway. The Michael DePalma generator is already being built by a japanese corp [i have the theory for this if anyone wants it !! - Andrew] The DePalma generator is essentially a simple magnetized flywheel, ie a magnetized cylindrical conductor rotating at high speed with the help of a motor. His astonishing claim is that the present verions of the N machine can generate up to five times more power than it consumes. This, of course, defies the basic law of the conservation of energy, which says that the output of energy cannot be more than the input. Most physicists simply refuse to look at DePalma's findings and dismiss his theories out of hand. Yet "proof of principle" for his invention was apparently provided when a large N machine, dubbed the Sunburst, was built in 1978 in Santa Barbara California. The Sunburst machine was independently tested by Dr. Robert Kincheloe, professor emeritus of electrical engineering at Stanford University. in his 1986 reprot (presented to the Society for Scientific Exploration, San Francisco, 6/21/86), Kincheloe notd that the drag of the rotating magnetized gyroscope is only 13 to 20 perscent of a conventional generator operating at an ideal 100 ppercent effiiency, the DePalma N machine could produce electricity at around 500 percent efficiency. In Kincheloe's cautious summary: "DePalma may have been right in that there is indeed a situation here wherby energy is being obtained from a previosly unknow and unexplained source. This is a conclusion that most scientists and engineers would reject out of hand as being a violation of accepted laws of physics and if true has incredible implications". "The jury is still out on the DePalma N machine," says physicist Harold Puthoff, a senior fellow at the Institute for Advanced Studies in Austin, Texas. "It isn't clear where the reported excess energy is coming from--wheater out of the elecromagnetic field or as the result of some anomaly associated with rotating bodies in terms of inertia. The DePalma machine needs to be replicated on a broad scale to see if it actually works. Though I'm rahter skeptical, I certainly would encourage independent laboratory experimentation. While such a phenomenon would have seemed to absolutely go against the law of energy conservation a number of years ago, we now recognize that the potential for extracting energy out of so called empty space is in fact a reality". Not So Empty Space: Puthoff, a PhD. from Stanford University, belives that a new, non polluting energy source may be acheived by tapping the force random fluctuaions jostling atomic particles within a vacuum. Scientists now know that "empty" space seeths with waht are called vacuum fluctuations: huge amounts of energy that suddently burst forth, jiggling particles to and fro. Puthoff has developed his own theory, zero point energy, in an attempt to tap the abundant power found in the vacuum of space. He and associates in a new company, Jupiter Technologies, may soon try to manufacture zero-point energy machines. DePalma described his N machine and outlined a theory to explain its workings in a paper, "On the Possibility of Extraction of Electrical Energy Directly From Space", published in the British science journel, Speculations in Science and Technology (Sept 1990, Vol 13 No 4). So far, the scientific establishment either has ignored DePalma's controversial claims or remains unaware of them. Patent *Not* Pending: No one has ever obtained a patent for an N machine in the U.S., although in the San Francisco area alone, there are some 200 patent applications relating to such devices. The U.S. Patent office automatically denies a patent to any gizmo which purports to produce more enerty than it consumes, on the grounds that its personnel are not equipped to evalute such claims. DePalma is quick to point out that the N machine is not a perpetual motion machine, that mythical contraption long sought by frustrated inventors. "The purpetual motion machine is only supposed to run itself. It could never put out five times more power than is put into it. Perpetual motion schemes used conventional energy sources, whereas the N machine is a new way of extracting energy from space". Other scientists-inventors who attempted to build and operate free energy machines have been intimidated and harassed by the U.S. government. At least one inventor had his device confiscated by the Defense Department on the grounds that its free energy technology endangered national security interests. This inventor was put under a gag order, so that he could not even tell the press that his N
[CTRL] Triviation: 09-09-00-99
-Caveat Lector- From UnderNews prorev.com/indexa.htm THE REVIEW LIST Things that John Danforth, Clarence Thomas, and Ralston Purina have in common -- DANFORTH hired THOMAS out of law school as an assistant attorney general in Missouri. -- DANFORTH brought THOMAS to Washington as a legislative assistant when elected to the Senate. -- DANFORTH helped THOMAS get appointed to the Reagan transition team, the Department of Education, and the EEOC. -- DANFORTH helped THOMAS get appointed to the US Court of Appeals, calling him my "personal friend." -- DANFORTH played a crucial role in getting THOMAS appointed to the Supreme Court. -- DANFORTH, during the time in question, owned RALSTON PURINA stock worth more than $7.5 million. -- Two brothers of DANFORTH were on the board of directors of RALSTON PURINA -- One brother of DANFORTH was a member of the board of trustees of Washington University, which had large holdings in RALSTON PURINA. -- Alpo and RALSTON PURINA were sued on charges of false advertising. -- US District Judge Stanley Sporkin fond both companies in the wrong, but found that RALSTON PURINA alone had acted willfully in having "perpetrated a cruel hoax" on dog owners in its claims that it dog food could cure a serious ailment. He assessed a $10 million fine against RALSTON PURINA. -- A few weeks after being confirmed, THOMAS heard the RALSTON PURINA appeal. He wrote an opinion for the court overturning the $10 million fine against RALSTON PURINA. -- This was good news for his friend DANFORTH and his $7.5 million in RALSTON PURINA stock, but appears to be a clear violation of 28 USC 455 which requires a federal judge to disqualify himself in proceedings in which the judge's impartiality "might" reasonably be questioned. [This information appeared in the August 24, 1991, edition of Legal Times in an article by Monroe Freedman, professor of legal ethics at Hofstra University Law School. Freedman wrote that "Thomas showed no regard for his ethical obligations as a judge and no respect for the statutory mandate that he recuse himself. On both counts, Thomas is unfit to sit on the Supreme Court of the United States." The media, more interested in stray hairs on Coke cans, ignored the story.] DRUG BUSTS The drug war has little to do with public health; rather it is primarily a mechanism for controlling the country's alienated underclass. It is a war by an affluent technocracy against those who didn't make it into the club. New statistics from the Department of Health and Human Services back this up: -- 44% of drug users work for small businesses with less than 25 employees -- 19% of food workers, waiters, waitresses and bartenders use illegal drugs. -- 14% of construction workers use illegal drugs -- 10% of transportation and moving industry workers use illegal drugs. WACO "What's interesting about 'Waco,' is if you're looking for people who are unbalanced zealots, you don't find them among the Branch Davidians, you find them among the FBI and Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Those are the people who deserve to be fears, I think." -- Movie critic Roger Ebert in a review when "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" was first released. AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." --Buddha + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." --- Ernest Hemingway + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid
[CTRL] Romany
-Caveat Lector- From serbia-info.com 90.000 Gypsies expelled from Kosovo September 07, 1999 Picture: 90.000 Gypsies expelled from Kosovo 90.000 Gypsies expelled from Kosovo Bonn, September 7th (Tanjug) - Albanian extremists and terrorists have thus far expelled 90.000 out of the total of 150.000 Romany living in Kosmet before the arrival of KFOR, reported the Society for protection of endangered nations today in Getingen. "Albanians in Kosovo, forcing the Romany to leave Kosovo, stop at nothing, even murder and rape. On the top of the list of perpetrators of these crimes are members of the paramilitary KLA units that have been carrying out the ethnic cleansing policy since the end of war", said the president of the society Tilman Zuelich. This report that informed the public about the situation brought out numerous statements of the eyewitnesses, officials of the international organizations, journalists and representatives of the organizations for protection of human rights. According to Tilman Zuelich, most of the ethnic Albanians supports or tolerates the expulsion of non-Albanian citizens. "Local Albanian political parties, organizations and intellectuals are also silently accepting the policy of ethnic cleansing", said Zuelich. Simultaneously, he accused KFOR of a poor and insufficient protection of the non-Albanian population. "KFOR did nothing to protect Gypsy villages, nor it tried to stop the expulsion", stressed Zuelich. He appealed to the West to do everything possible to help the Albanian criminals to be caught and punished, and the exiles to be returned to their homes. Picture [ Home | Encyclopedia | FactsFigures | News ] Copyright © 1998, 1999 Ministry of Information Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From www.centraleurope.com Picture Thursday, Sep 9 at Prague 11:42 pm, N.Y. 05:42 pm Editor's Pick: Kosovo Crisis: General says Yugoslav army might take Kosovo back by force. And for news and links on Romania, check out Romania Country Info. Czech Policeman Involved In Racist Incident PRAGUE, Sep 9, 1999 -- (RFE/RL) A police cadet is to be dismissed and faces a prison term for requesting donations to "exterminate Gypsies", CTK and AP reported. The drunken cadet tried to collect the money in a cafe in Novy Jicin, 350 kilometers east of Prague, on 4 September. A local policeman who said he would not support racists suffered a brain concussion after the cadet attacked him. On September 7, Romany representatives at a meeting with OSCE officials in Vienna threatened another mass exodus if persecution of Romany minorities in European countries is not ended. Czech Romany activist Ondrej Gina said the planned construction of a wall in Usti nad Labem will "become an impulse for further migration" and signals that "we are not welcome in the Czech Republic." Copyright (c) 1999 RFE/RL, Inc. Reprinted with the permission of Radio FreeEurope/Radio Liberty, 1201 Connecticut Ave., N.W. Washington DC 20036. © 1995-1999 European Internet Network Inc. All rights reserved. AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." --Buddha + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." --- Ernest Hemingway + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects
[CTRL] Jim Keith
-Caveat Lector- From: "Thomas, Kenneth F." [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for the kind words about Jim. He was a dear friend of mine and an important person to the world. The loss is immeasurable. He was not just the co-author of The Octopus, but a dharma combatant who demonstrated time and again that the world is far more multi-dimenisonal, far more interesting, than the pablum that usually passes for news, information and normal discourse. Unfortunately, it is also far more dangerous. Rumor has it that Jim may have been killed because he mentioned the name of the physician who declared Diana was pregnant at the time of her death. I have long noted the connections between Diana's death and the Octopus. Diana was the subject of Jim's last column for Nitro News, which has been linked at Steamshovel's "Link Tank" for the past couple of weeks. As you know, Nitro News has not been accessible since Jim's death, although I reached it just before receiving word of his passing. This rumor may be nonsense. Casolaro may have committed suicide. It is the way of the Octopus. It exists but it doesn't exist. These are blood clots or suicides or non-suspicious homicides or real accidents. They just happen to cluster coincidentally around a certain set of facts or a certain perception of an organized conspiracy. And if Jim Keith did not die as a result of a conspiracy, then I'm sure he would want us to make it look that way! I hope you will remember Jim for his good humor and for his fearlessness. He wrote what he knew and he let the chips fall where they might. He lived on the edge, where I usually tried to catch up with him. I hope he taught me enough about the place to keep up the work to which we were both committed. If word comes of public services for him, I will pass it on. I have tentative plans to go to Reno and investigate what happened while the trails are still fresh. This will take money, though, and as with Jim and Danny Casolaro both, that's always in short supply, despite the romanticized view many people have of well-paid, world traveling writers and researchers. I urge anyone with information to contact me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We'll do whatever research work we can from our desks and get as much field work done as possible. I have sent inquiries to Burning Man and know one source who took a great deal of video there. Also, several of Jim's friends have expressed an interest in putting together a memorial volume of essays with proceeds going to his daughters. As these things develop, I will keep the list up to speed. Thank you again. Remember Jim! kt Jim Keith 1949 - 1999 We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Triviation: 09-09-00-99
-Caveat Lector- In regard to Danforth. Take a look at Judge Stanley Sporkin. He heard the Akwei case in 1992 (CA 92-0449) VS National Security Agency. Akwei was an NSA EMPLOYEE and tried to blow the whistle on illegal NSA electronic interception...now called echelon. fFROM memory the case was shunted to Judge Sporkin because he has CIA connections. Sporkin dismissed the case. And so it goes. The only way to defeat this cozy little club is to watch for omissions and scream loud when you find one. Three areas to watch (l) illegal warrant to search (2) the film of the FBI tank blasting away and starting the fire. (3) White House orders. for assault this is what they will want to hide. WACO is a premeditated attack on US citizens by US Military and logically had to be ordered from the White House.Will be interesting to see how Danforth gets around this.one. ASU2431426 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: [Fwd: Waco/Reno/Justice]
-Caveat Lector- hmmm I know these guys Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now we are getting somewhere. It's time. She needs also to be sitting along with others accused of " crimes" in the International Court . Bio:/ August 10, 1999 PUBLIC NOTICE OF INTENT TO PROSECUTE MS. JANET RENO FOR MURDER AND BEING AN ACCESSORY TO MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE Hon. Alex Kozinski, Judge Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals P.O. Box 91510 Pasadena 91109-1510 CALIFORNIA, USA Subject: Execution of Minor Children without Death Warrants Dear Judge Kozinski: This is a formal PUBLIC NOTICE of my specific intent to petition the District Court of Texas State, McLellan County, Texas State, ex rel. on behalf of the People of the United States of America, for an ORDER to Ms. Janet Reno, alleging to be the United States Attorney General, to show cause why she, and other as yet unnamed accessories, should not be charged with multiple counts of murder and of being an accessory to murder in the first degree, in violation of the pertinent Texas State criminal statute(s), in connection with the unwarranted deaths of numerous minor children in Waco, Texas, on or about April 19, 1993. This is also a formal PUBLIC NOTICE of my specific intent to forward her answer(s), if any, to the lawfully convened county grand jury in McLellan County, Texas State, for their careful consideration; or, in the alternative, to testify to her decision, if any, to fall silent in view of the Fifth Amendment and also the holding of the Supreme Court of the United States in Miranda v. Arizona. For supplementary authorities, see also the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the latter enacted with specific reservations, both rendered supreme Law pursuant to the Supremacy Clause in the Constitution for the United States of America, as lawfully amended, in re prohibitions against execution of minor children. Judge Alex Kozinski, thank you very much for your continuing supervision in these important matters of state. Sincerely yours, /s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S. Counselor at Law, Federal Witness, and Private Attorney General copies: Sheriff, McLellan County, Texas Sheriff, Alameda County, California Solicitor General, Washington, D.C. # # # Return to Table of Contents for Letters of Correspondence http://supremelaw.com/letters/peovreno.htm Blessings of Abundance and Health in all things Good. Biophilos *** To post to Roundtable:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe roundtable your e-mail To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe roundtable your e-mail Any problems contact Biophilos at [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contribute info to Roundtable send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.flinet.com/~biophilos "Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech." -- Benjamin Franklin "A barking dog is often more useful than a sleeping lion"-- Washington Irving " Blessed are the Peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God". DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] UFO's/North Florida
-Caveat Lector- Dear Sir/Madam: I would like to take this opportunity to introduce myself. My name is Fred R. Saluga. I am an ex-law enforcement officer and a former chief of police from the State of Pennsylvania. I recently relocated to Tallahassee from Daytona Beach and was appointed to the position of State Section Director with the Mutual UFO Network for the following North Florida Counties: Leon, Gadsen, Jefferson, and Wakulla. If you are interested in UFOs or if you, or someone that you know had a UFO sighting or UFO encounter in any of the above listed counties, would you please contact me by e-mail, or snail mail: Fred R. Saluga, 2731 BlairStone Road, Apartment #77, Tallahassee, Florida 32301. I would like to thank you in advance for your time and cooperation and I hope to hear from you soon. I would also like to state that all information that is received will be treated as confidential, if requested. Thank you, Fred DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] textbook propaganda (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- I got both sides at different times. I went to high school in the Midwest, where capitalism was king. I went to college in California, where Marx was god. __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Plato Aristotle [was The oligarchy has begun an election campaign.]
-Caveat Lector- Plato: To do is to be. Aristotle: To be is to do. Sinatra: Doobee Doobee Doobee. __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DANFORTH
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/8/99 8:32:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well the answer is obvious isn't it? This will be an attempted cover up of the cover up. The idea here is to stall for time. It is an election year. It will be successful if it lasts a year and can keep the heat off of Gore. Joshua2 That is al that EVERY "investigation" by the government is, a stall for time, and a hope for lessening focus and eventual shelving away and ignoring. It probably will work as even more shit comes out about other things to keep people busy NOT looking at the Waco business. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DANFORTH
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/08/1999 8:32:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well the answer is obvious isn't it? This will be an attempted cover up of the cover up. The idea here is to stall for time. It is an election year. It will be successful if it lasts a year and can keep the heat off of Gore. Joshua2 I think the funniest thing so far was when I heard Arlen Spector yakking on about the coming "investigation." I mean Arlen Spector, poster boy for the Warren Commission. It's a killer. Then I heard Danforth tonight on Lehrer saying he wasn't going to second guess the judgement calls, just look for the "FACTS." He says they need to examine the facts, or people will lose faith in their government institutions. I wonder where he's been holed up, and who he knows who has faith in government institutions. Oh well, he was a congressman, that explains it all. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: The Blood Trail: Part I
-Caveat Lector- Thursday, September 9,1999 The Blood Trail: Part I By Dale Hurd September 8, 1999 -- On May 19th, on the same night an office in Montreal was broken into and burglarized, in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, a clinic was fire bombed. How could seemingly separate incidents in Quebec and Arkansas be related? A message was delivered...the same message. Someone, somewhere is very concerned about an incredible scandal that most Americans know nothing about, but about which Canadians know only too well. This is a story about tainted blood collected from Arkansas inmates and sold to make a profit. It's about hundreds of dead and dying Canadian hemophiliacs who used it, and a former governor who could be held legally respo nsible for it. The blood trail starts at Cummins prison, near Grady, Arkansas. Cummins was one of several prisons in Arkansas in which blood products were collected from infected prisoners, sold on the spot market at a huge profit, and then shipped all around the world. The federal courts once condemned the Arkansas prison system as "a dark and evil world completely alien to the free world." In 1978, its conditions were declared unconstitutional. Inmates used to be murdered inside Cummins prison; their bodies thrown into unmarked graves. Arkansas was one of the last prison systems to use slave labor. And it was the last prison system in the country to stop selling plasma donated by prisoners. Michael Galster is a board certified prosthetist/orthotist. He's worked at Cummins prison from the 1970s until the present day. " I would try to look on their charts and see if they had had a blood test, because they'd have a Band- Aid at their elbow, and they'd tell me, 'No, they hadn't had a blood test; they'd just sold their blood the day before.'" Galster says some of his patients, who were also in the blood program, had no business giving blood. "Some of them were just too ill to walk, if they could walk in the first place. They'd come in in a wheelchair, they'd have distended abdomens, they'd be yellow, the whites of their eyes would be yellow -- al l the obvious signs of hepatitic infections." What Galster eventually uncovered about the prison plasma program was turned into a book: Blood Trail. It's not a book for everyone because it contains adult language and adult situations. Galster chose to write his account as a novel under a pen name, Michael Sullivan, because he was afraid for his family's safety. He would later find out he had reason to be. But back in the 1980s, Galster assumed prison officials must have known what they were doing: "I assumed that the people in the prison who were buying and selling this blood had some technique of cleaning it up, running it through a filter, or whatever..." But they apparently did not. John Schock was an inmate at Cummins in the '80s. He donated blood so that he could get a few dollars in paper scrip to spend at the prison canteen. But he paid dearly for it. It was through the blood program that he contracted the incurable hepatitis C that wrecked his first liver. "I've never seen them tear open a needle, a clean needle, and stick it in you. " Schock said he saw plenty of sick inmates who were allowed to bleed, "[I saw] sick people going in and bleeding...coughing, hacking, choking, carrying on all over the place, you know, [and] all over everybody. [Some had] pneumonia or the flu or [I would] know that they are a homosexual, and they're in here bleeding, just like I am. "Sometimes they would let you go two or three weeks and they'd be sticking you every time, testing you. Sometimes it'd be two or three months before they'd stick you and test you again." In other words, Schock confirmed that he and other inmates gave blood without being tested. The plasma was spun out of the blood, which was then put back into the inmates. The bleeding program was a gold mine. Inmates only got about five dollars per liter, but with sometimes thousands of liters being collected each month with a market value of 50 dollars or more per liter, HMA should have netted more than at least a million dollars per year. There are suspicions it made several million a year. The plasma was shipped out stamped ADC plasma. What may not have been clear to the buyers is that "ADC" stood for Arkansas Department of Corrections. The plasma was sold all around the world, but in the 1980s, much of it ended up in Canada, where a Toronto company used it to make a blood-clotting product called Factor 8, which was then distributed by the Canadian Red Cross and, finally, put into the blood streams of unsuspecting Canadians like James Krepner. "When I was in my early twenties and feeling fine, I weighed about 180, 185 pounds, and now I'm about 105 pounds." Krepner, a Toronto attorney, is dying from Aids and hepatitis C from Arkansas prison plasma. " I mean, initially, when I was infected, I thought, well,
[CTRL] United States Patent 5,594,289 (2)
Hi this is the patent for that motor. Got images too. http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1; u=/netahtml/srchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1='5,594,289'.WKU.OS=PN/5,594,289RS= PN/5,594,289 searchable by patent number at http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html United States Patent 5,594,289 Minato January 14, 1997 United States Patent 5,594,289 (2).url
[CTRL] remove the thugs you will remove the scandals
-Caveat Lector- Need I say more? Do not vote for any DemocRat or Republican in 2000. Vote for a Constitutionalist; a person like Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas Bard DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CNN - Authorities nab suspects in new drug sting at Miami International Airport
-Caveat Lector- I wonder if this Evergreen Aviation is connected to Evergreen Airlines, the company formed from assets of a CIA proprietary, Intermountain Aviation, after its cover was blown in the mid-1970s. The workers were said to be employed by Evergreen Aviation Ground Logistics Enterprises (EAGLE), Dispatch Services, Inc., and American Sales and Management Organization. http://www.cnn.com/US/9909/09/miami.drug.bust.01/ (CNN) -- In overnight raids, Drug Enforcement Administration and U.S. Customs Service agents began rounding up another 15 Miami International Airport ramp workers charged in a drug conspiracy sting. It was the second time in just over two weeks that authorities disclosed the results of an undercover drug operation at the airport. A news conference on the sting was scheduled at 1 p.m. EDT Thursday by U.S. Attorney Tom Scott. In the current sting, all but two of the 15 people charged worked for companies that provide ground services for several airlines at Miami International. Three of those ramp agents were identified as supervisors or ramp duty managers. DEA Special Agent Vincent Mazzilli said those arrested Thursday were not daunted by the earlier arrests of ramp workers. "They were very brazen in how they proceeded to conduct negotiations with undercover agents," said Mazzilli. "They remarked that the people at American Airlines were stupid to get caught and they were smarter. And, we all know that they weren't." Cocaine conspiracy alleged According to the DEA's Miami spokesman Brent Eaton, the workers are accused in a criminal complaint of conspiring to smuggle cocaine and intent to distribute it. Like the August 25 sting which netted 58 American Airlines ramp workers and Sky Chefs Internatonal food caterers, in a joint DEA-U.S. Customs Service operation, the workers in this sting allegedly off-loaded luggage they were told held cocaine on incoming international flights from Aruba, Nassau, and Quito, Ecuador. The cocaine used in the sting turned out to be phony. But Mazzilli is confident the investigation was handled properly. "We approached this investigation very carefully, working in concert with the U.S. Attorney's office. And, we've assured ourselves as well as the prosecutors that there are no entrapment issues," said Mazzilli. "But, again, that'll be decided at the time of court." Undercover agents posed as drug dealers and used informants to contact ramp workers who allegedly boasted about their expertise in smuggling drugs through the airport. Suspects allegedly bypassed Customs The suspects allegedly bypassed required U.S. Customs inspections and delivered the luggage either to a baggage claim carousel or drove it off directly off site, for example, to an employee parking lot. The DEA says the workers are charged with off-loading fake cocaine on planes for Bahamas Air, Air Aruba, and Ecuatoriana Airlines, who co-operated in the investigation. The workers were said to be employed by Evergreen Aviation Ground Logistics Enterprises (EAGLE), Dispatch Services, Inc., and American Sales and Management Organization. The suspects allegedly were paid up to $32,000 per shipment for a total of less than 40 kilos of phony cocaine. Authorities note Labor Day shipment Law enforcement agents say the sting began last October. The most recent shipment allegedly arrived on Labor Day on a flight from Nassau, Bahamas. CNN has learned that the August 25 arrests apparently did not dissuade today's defendants. According to law enforcement sources, after the American Airlines ramp agents were arrested, one of the current suspects told an undercover agent that the arrests did not affect his "crew." The suspect allegedly said his crew was willing and ready to proceed with a shipment on Labor Day. In another instance, sources say, the suspects lost a load of phony cocaine and wound up paying undercover agents more than $5,000 and promised to "work off the rest of their debt." American Airlines was not targeted in this sting. In the August 25 arrests, ramp workers and food caterers were accused of conspiring to smuggle both real and fake cocaine inside luggage and food carts, as well as guns and grenades. That bogus contraband was then allegedly delivered to undercover agents on domestic flights. In that sting called Operation Ramp Rats and Operation Sky Chefs, some of the workers allegedly were off duty when they used their security passes to bypass security. Some allegedly bypassed X-ray machines and changed out of their uniforms once they entered a gate area before flying free to deliver a drug shipment on domestic flights. After the arrests last month, U.S. Attorney Tom Scott and other law enforcement agents criticized Miami's airport security as "intolerable and dangerous." Miami-Dade County officials and the FAA contend the airport security meets all requirements, but add that improvements will soon be added. For example, personal bags that ramp workers carry
[CTRL] ''the right to abort entails the right to kill, and kill cruelly.''
-Caveat Lector- http://www.investors.com/web_edition/today/welcome.html NATIONAL ISSUE BILL BRADLEY'S 'RIGHT-WING' PAST Before Running Left Of Gore, He Was An Evangelical Date: 9/9/99 Author: Paul Sperry At 6-feet-5, Bill Bradley must have cut an imposing figure in the pulpit at the Grace Presbyterian Church in Crystal City, Mo. The faithful who heard his evangelical sermon there in the 1960s, or those who later listened to his Bible lessons at First Presbyterian Church in Princeton, N.J., are no doubt surprised to hear Bradley's secular and far-left views today. But even more surprised, fundamentalists say, are the thousands of athletes to whom Bradley ''witnessed'' in a long and emotional testimony of faith he penned as a pro basketball player. ''I love Jesus Christ and I try to serve Him to the best of my ability, no matter how small and insignificant that might be,'' Bradley wrote in the conclusion. ''I've made my choice and I've never regretted it. How about you?'' The testimony was distributed by the American Tract Society, an evangelical ministry that opposes abortion. Investor's Business Daily obtained a copy of Bradley's religious tract, which went out of print in 1971. Bradley, who kicked off his Democratic bid for the White House Wednesday, has since disavowed his fundamentalist Christian beliefs. In his 1996 memoirs, in which he did not mention the ATS tract, he says he was put off by what he calls fundamentalists' ''narrowness of view'' and intolerance of other faiths. He now embraces all religions. He's also pro-choice, calling abortion-rights foes ''zealots.'' As a three-term U.S. senator, Bradley was one of Washington's staunchest backers of a woman's freedom to abort a pregnancy - even in the final trimester. He's also for federal funding of abortions and recently chided Vice President Al Gore for waffling on the issue. Running to the left of Gore on that issue and others, Bradley has cut into Gore's lead among Democrats. In fact, Bradley and Gore are running neck and neck in New Hampshire, an August poll by KRC Communications Research shows. Those among the so-called Religious Right lament that Bradley has ''grown in office.'' ''To move forward in the leadership of the Democratic Party, he has to disavow all that (cultural conservatism),'' said Christian Coalition spokesman Jeffrey Taylor. But Bradley's spokesman sees no contradictions. ''He's always been a pro-choice Democrat in his public service,'' Eric Hauser said. And before that? He would not comment. Hauser also says Bradley, 56, was never a born-again Christian. ''I wouldn't characterize it as that,'' said Eric Hauser, though he stopped short of defining what he was. ''In general, he talks sparingly about his own personal faith, feeling that it's a private matter,'' he explained. That may be the case now. But when Bradley was around 25, he proudly broadcast his faith in Christ and exhorted others to live a biblical life: first, in an article in ''The Christian Athlete,'' the Fellowship of Christian Athletes' flagship magazine; then in the ATS sports tract. ''It is remarkable how relevant, how real and vital Jesus Christ is today. We cannot see Him, but He lives. And the Bible says that blessed is he that believes without seeing Christ,'' Bradley wrote in the tract. ''But so many want to become Christians on their own terms. Some say: 'I want Him to come into my life, and He can occupy all the rooms but one. I want the study for myself,' '' he wrote. ''Or some will give up becoming a follower of Christ because it is hard, and they won't be convinced until God shows them through a bolt of lightning or a burning bush that He is real. That was my problem when I was searching for Jesus Christ,'' Bradley confessed. He wrote he ''first met Christ'' at an FCA conference his junior year in high school. There, he was moved by personal tales of faith shared by former pro quarterback Fran Tarkenton and FCA founder Don McClanen, among other ''huddle group leaders.'' Bradley wrote that it was later, at Princeton University, that he accepted Christ as his savior in a fit of despair over bad grades. ''I knew I had been giving my life to the wrong goals,'' he recalled. ''I knew then that I wanted to give my life to Jesus Christ and His service.'' He wrapped up his testimony by urging other jocks to let Christ come into their lives. ''The choice is simple. It is between the eternal and the passing, between the strong and the weak, between the living challenge and a boring conformity,'' he wrote. ''Between Jesus Christ and the world.'' Bradley doesn't mention the testimony in his 1996 memoirs. He does recount being ''converted'' in college, but writes in general terms: He made ''agreements'' with ''God'' and took comfort in ''religion.'' He writes of other ''evangelicals'' accepting Christ as their ''personal savior,'' but not himself. And when he uses fundamentalist language - such as ''accepted'' or ''converted''
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-Caveat Lector- SEE Committee on the Judiciary, EVENTS SURROUNDING THE BRANCH DAVIDIAN CULT STANDOFF IN WACO TEXAS APRIL 28 1993 On page 31 Sensenbrenner questions Reno. It reads as if Associate Attorney General Designate Hubbell was the link between White House and Command Center at DOJ. Hubbell was the DOJ man at the Command Center.and talking to the WH and Clinton.. Yet Hubbell had no official position, he was "designate", had not been confirmed and therefor had no legitimate reason to be in the Command Center. Hubbell was not called by the Committee Another interesting fact ( page 165)... On March 22 Presidential Candidate Clinton passed within 1 1/2 miles of the Mt Carmel Compound. If the compound was haven for dangerous criminals with heavy weapons (witha range over 3000 meters) what was the Secret Service doing ? They allowed Clinton to come within shooting range of weapons they allege to be in the Koresh arsenal.. Is it Secret Service policy to allow candidates within shooting range of dangerous people? We doubt it . Mpre likely Koresh was not really a threat. the threat was a fantasy invented by BATF. ASU DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Physicist Explains the Fireball at Waco That Killed ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/9/99 11:18:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm afraid I'm fresh out of outrage at the parents. Nobody has yet convinced me that people should not live in religious communities of their own choosing. No one has yet convinced me that police cannot make arrests the old fashioned way, by going up to a door and knocking and telling the individual they are charging with a crime to come down town with them. Personal responsibility is something that our justice department agencies need to consider as well. There was a time when our law enforcement people at all levels were respected. Now all they engender is fear. Prudy Excellent observations Prudy, I agree wholeheartedly. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] United States Patent 5,594,289 (2)
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:41:56 +1200, earthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article 000801befb25$4bd0f620$[EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Hi this is the patent for that motor. My lord. I imagined a motor like that when I was a 16 years old in high school... that would have been about 1985/86. I figured that if I imagined it, somebody else had probably already invented it. I could have been a rich man by now. :/ Involuntary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- I have switched ISP's and my new Email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please change when possible. Thank you. -- Liberation Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented and fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? Your playing small doesn't serve the world. There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It is not just in some of us, it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. -attributed to Nelson Mandela DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Physicist Explains the Fireball at Waco That Killed ...
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - I'm afraid I'm fresh out of outrage at the parents. Nobody has yet convinced me that people should not live in religious communities of their own choosing. This is true. In America, feel free to join an occult lodge, but heaven help you if you join a group that has a different take on the Bible. Furthermore, the "brainwashing" comment made by the other individual earlier was completely out of line. Koresh was not a charismatic man that had glowing eyes and who put spells on people. If you watch a video tape of Koresh, you will more than likely "hah," and walk away. Listen to NPR's "Father Cares: The Last of Jonestown," and to the 45 minute audio of the Jonestown massacre, both of which are readily available on the World Wide Web, and you will quickly discern that one of these occurrences involved brainwashing (Jonestown) and that one did not (Waco.) If there was any brainwashing involved at all, it may have been the repetition of common viewpoints, over and over. However this does not mean that it was the intential brainwashing of members by an insane leader - listen to any song enough times, and you will eventually like it. Find a guy "into" something, and you are likely to hear a great deal about it, whatever it is. Many of the Davidians visited the "compound" many, many times before considering staying there. This to me cancels out the presence of brainwashing as it exists on an INTENDED level. Jim Jones's converts were immediate and remained in his "aura" until that incident in history ended, and unfortuneately for some of the survivors, afterward, even up to this very day. -- Dan S DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bush Babies in the Briar Patch Offline Illumination (http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma/offline.htm)
-Caveat Lector- http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma/offline.htm Offline Illumination Bush Babies in the Briar Patch by Uri Dowbenko Despite Big Media's coronation of George W. Bush as the next president, new -- or rather decades old -- skeletons keep rattling in the Bush Family closet. You won't find them in Talk Magazine, however. Headed by Tina Brown, former editor of New Yorker and Vanity Fair, Talk's September 1999 premiere issue is a hefty 254 pages of celebrity fluff disguised as editorial content. Sandwiched between the typical fashion ads featuring the typical nymphets, there's an ironically titled article by Tucker Carlson called "Devil May Care." It's subtitled "George. W. Bush doesn't give a damn what you think of him. That may be why you'll vote for him for president." In Carlson's casually written hagiography, you'll learn, that "Bush announced that his campaign had raised $36 million so.far, a record in American politics." "Bush chuckles at the memory," writes Carlson, who obviously inhabits a parallel universe of squeaky clean politicians with oh-so-hip repartee. "'The press should have been able to figure it out,' he [Bush] says. 'They're not paying much attention. We raised $800,000 in Fort Meyers." Presumably that doesn't even include the laundered drug money. The Secret Bush Brothers Video According to LAPD whistleblower Michael C. Ruppert, the Drug Enforcement Agency has in its possession a video of George W. Bush and Jeb Bush flying in to Tamiami Airport outside of Miami, Florida "to pick up a couple of kilos of powder for a party." (From the Wilderness Newsletter; $35 / yr; FTW Publications, PO Box 6061-350, Sherman Oaks, CA 91413). Ruppert heard about it from Terry Reed, author of Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA (1994). "I was with Terry recently at a public speaking engagement where he reminded the audience of a little passage from his book Compromised," writes Ruppert. "In that passage he describes how Barry Seal had told him that he had 'insurance' in the form of proof that the Bush Boys were doing heavy drugs." According to Reed, "the FBI had inserted a female undercover agent into the inner circle of Medellin Cartel founder Pablo Escobar. Her name was Darlene Novinger and she got very close to an Escobar cousin named Steve Plata." "Thanks to the 'uc', as undercovers are called, Barry Seal and Terry Reed were sent on a drug sting to meet some wealthy Texans," writes Ruppert. "It turns out that the wealthy Texans were George W. and Jeb Bush who flew in on the family owned King Air to pick up the cocaine themselves. Hidden DEA cameras filmed the whole incident, including the tail number of the aircraft and both Bushes participation. According to Reed, nobody knew in advance who the buyers were. Reed states that he has both the tail number of the aircraft and the DEA case file number and he strongly suspects that tape to turn up during the 2000 presidential election." Getting the Dope on Bush Former CIA operative Terry Reed had worked closely with the late Barry Seal, a notorious drug smuggling pilot who also worked for the CIA. In his excellent book, Compromised, written with veteran journalist John Cumrnings, Reed describes a conversation he had with Seal about his 'insurance" aka blackmail, in case the Bush Family Crime Syndicate would try to double-cross him. "Ever hear the old expression, it's not what ya know, it's who ya know? Well, whoever said that just hadn't caught the Vice President's [George Bush's] kids in the dope business, 'cause I can tell ya for sure what ya know can definitely be more important than who ya know," bragged Seal to his buddy. Reed was incredulous. "... Barry, are you telling me George Bush's kids are in the drug business?" he asked. "Yup,. that's what I'm tellin ya. A guy in Florida who flipped for the DEA has got the goods on the Bush boys. Now I heard this from a reliable source in Colombia, but I just sat on it then, waiting to use it as a trump card if I ever needed it. Well I need to use it now. I got names, dates, places, even got some tape recordings. I even got surveillance. videos catchin' the Bush boys redhanded. I consider this stuff my insurance policy, " said Seal. "It makes me and the mole on the inside that's feeding the stuff to me invincible. Now this is real sensitive shit inside of U.S. Customs and DEA and those guys are pretty much under control. It's damage control as usual. But where it gets real interestin' is what the Republicans will do to the Democrats in order to ditty up the people who might use this information against Bush." Hinting at a high-level Mob War between.the Bush Family and the Clinton Family, Seal told Reed that "he was on a secret mission by none other than the Agency [CIA] to sort of dirty up some people real close to the Governor [Clinton]." "Now I had been working on this through Dan Lasater," continued Seal. "Now Dan's a good ol boy and all that, but he's gotta drug problem and
[CTRL] FW: [OPF] Criminals in Congress
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gary Hunt Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 5:18 PM To: OutPostofFreedom Subject: [OPF] Criminals in Congress * * * * * * * * * * * * * * OutPost of Freedom maillist * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I received the following in an e-mail. I have not verified the information, however it does seem to be consistent with what we already know. If anyone would like to confirm, or deny, please do so. Take care -- Gary Hunt, Outpost of Freedom http://www.illusions.com/opf -- According to an investigation by Capitol Hill Blue: 29 members of Congress have been accused of spousal abuse. 7 have been arrested for fraud. 19 have been accused of writing bad checks. 117 have bankrupted at least two businesses. 3 have been arrested for assault. 71 have credit reports so bad they can't qualify for a credit card. 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges. 8 have been arrested for shoplifting. 21 are current defendants in lawsuits. And in 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving, but released after they claimed Congressional immunity. Bard DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: The Strange Logic of Hate-Crime Laws
-Caveat Lector- The following message is excellent. It states exactly what I have been saying vis a vis Hate Crimes. Everyone should read it. In a message dated 9/9/99 3:03:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Strange Logic of Hate-Crime Laws Steve Chapman September 5, 1999 When a gunman walked into a day care center in suburban Los Angeles last month and shot five people, three of them young children, one question immediately sprang from the lips of journalists and commentators: Was it a hate crime? The obvious response should have been: What earthly difference does it make? When a lunatic with a gun tries to kill a bunch of people, the animating motive is not good will. Would the parents, sitting watch at the hospital beside their wounded children, feel better knowing the attacker was acting out of animus toward all humanity rather than distaste for a particular minority group? Would they say, "What a relief -- somebody tried to murder my baby, but at least it wasn't an anti-Semite"? As it turned out, the man who fired the shots was a bigot with ties to neo-Nazi groups. That helps to explain what he did, but it's hard to see how it makes the crime any more vicious, shocking or scary. The killers in Littleton singled out football players; Buford Furrow was after Jews; a guy in Atlanta had a grudge against the brokerage business; and some crazies have simply killed people indiscriminately. Can we really say that one of these mass shootings is appreciably worse than the others? Matthew Shepard, a 21-year-old student at the University of Wyoming, was robbed, savagely beaten, tied to a fence and left to die in near-freezing temperatures. Gay rights groups said he was killed because he was gay, and lamented Wyoming's lack of a hate-crime law. But a hate-crime law wouldn't have prevented the murder -- any more than the law against murder prevented it. Nor would it have meant a stiffer sentence: The crime carried the possibility of the death penalty, which happens to be the most severe punishment in our criminal justice toolbox. And decreeing that it's worse to kill someone because he's gay than to kill someone because he's a college student smacks of Dante's Inferno, where the better and worse places in Hell were assigned according to a formula of relative sinfulness. Maybe the Almighty has the wisdom to calibrate crimes with such exquisite precision, but such powers do not belong to mere mortals. Supporters of these laws insist that some crimes are clearly worse because they stem from prejudice of one sort or another. Painting "Kill the Jews" on a synagogue, to be sure, is different from painting "Josh Loves Caitlin." What's important, though, is that one message aims at intimidating people and the other doesn't. If someone painted "Kill the Rich" or "Kill Those Who Drive on the Sabbath" on a Reform synagogue in an upscale Jewish neighborhood, the attempt to intimidate would be just as obvious, but it wouldn't qualify as a hate crime. Do we really believe it's less blameworthy to kill a Jewish tycoon because he's wealthy than because he's Jewish? The effort to follow the logic of hate-crime laws can be endlessly perplexing. In a recent Chicago case, three African-American kids, ages 10, 13 and 14, were arrested for beating and kicking a 12-year-old white boy while calling him "Pillsbury Doughboy" and "whitey." When prosecutors asked that the assault be classified as a hate crime, a juvenile court judge inexplicably refused. Apparently some hate crimes are more equal than others. But the central flaw in such laws is not their lack of inclusiveness; it's their focus on thoughts and words. Under the First Amendment guarantee of free speech, the government may not make it a crime to express or hold racist, sexist or anti-Semitic ideas. But under the hate-crime laws, the government does just that. Such laws say that someone who commits a violent crime out of bigotry will be punished not only for the violence but for the bigotry. Part of his prison sentence will be attributable solely to the officially disfavored words he uttered -- or maybe, if he was silent, just to the books he checked out of the library. Northwestern University law professor Martin Redish offers a thought experiment: What if we passed a law providing extra punishment for anyone who commits a crime motivated by the desire to advance the cause of communism? That statute clearly would be unconstitutional, because it discriminates against people on the basis of their viewpoint. But a hate-crime law has exactly the same defect. It says that people who espouse certain disfavored views will be treated worse than those who don't.
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: IMF to send investigative mission to East Timor
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/9/99 4:30:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IMF to send investigative mission to East Timor WASHINGTON, Sept 5 (Reuters) - The International Monetary Fund will send an investigative team to East Timor to assess its economic needs since its vote to become independent from Indonesia, IMF spokesman Bill Murray said on Sunday. snip This is certainly welcome news! Now they'll get some help. The good old IMF will fix it up RRREEEAAALLL nice. (removing tongue from cheek. . . ) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Jill Dando- THE GUARDIAN 9.10.99.
-Caveat Lector- Secret of Dando murder 'lies in her last two years' Nick Hopkins, Crime Correspondent Friday September 10, 1999 Detectives hunting Jill Dando's murderer still have 80 suspects to question and believe the secret to her killing lies in the last two years of her life. A list of 400 suspects was drawn up by the 47-strong inquiry team following her shooting on April 26. They include men with a history of violence and mental illness, and between 40 and 50 obsessives who have written up to nine letters to her in the last year. Although there has not been a breakthrough, Scotland Yard said yesterday that the Dando murder squad was still confident of catching her killer, and issued a fresh appeal for information. A poster will be sent to police stations highlighting the £250,000 reward offered for clues leading to an arrest. The stumbling block remains the lack of motive. "This is hampering our inquiry," said a detective involved in the investigation. "There has been no satisfactory explanation." Officers did not uncover any "surprises or appalling dramas" in her private life and have cooled on the idea that she was targeted by a former lover who was jealous of her engagement to Dr Alan Farthing, a gynaecologist. They are also sceptical that her involvement in the BBC programme, Crimewatch UK, was a motive. Without strong leads, the team has been left trawling through a mass of material. So far detectives have taken 1,000 statements and seen more than 2,500 people. They have been through 1,000 different documents - including her filofax, which had the names of 486 friends and business contacts - read 3,500 letters and messages sent to the incident room and seen tapes from 191 security cameras. More than 1,000 items were recovered from the crime scene and 13,700 e-mails sent to the BBC. Mobile phone companies are helping detectives identify the 10,000 calls which were made in the area around Ms Dando's home in Fulham, west London, on the morning she died. That part of the inquiry could take several months. An appeal to find the maker of the "crimped" bullet which killed her has come to nothing, despite advice offered by numerous firearms experts and serving prisoners who have contacted the incident room with their own theories. Police still believe Ms Dando, 36, was killed by a crazed stalker or a contract killer. They suspect the motive can be found in a detailed examination of her life in the two years before she died, rather than in her distant past. One detective involved in the inquiry said: "It seems unlikely someone would have waited for a decade to do this." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Jim Keith
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/9/99 7:16:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: "Thomas, Kenneth F." [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for the kind words about Jim. Devastating news this is. We are in desperate need of investigators like Jim Keith. It is a shame to hear of his passing. He had written many cornerstone works on Conspiracy issues and I'm sure will be missed by all of us who are trying to understand the machinations of the conspiracy elite. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
