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happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 . Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 . Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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that we should not try... Jacques Jacques Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. -Adrian On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Ryan, Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 . Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm
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than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom development. This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, is unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not mean that we should not try... Jacques Jacques Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. -Adrian On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Ryan, Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 . Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme
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committer), opinions? I think the way that Magento and Wordpress do it are good examples. With Wordpress, there is one official theme that is included with the install, but there are literally thousands of themes that are not maintained by Wordpress that they list on there site http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/, and now with the 3.0 release you can even search for new themes and install them automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it this way fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it on a handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize there contributions by offering premium themes and plugins. In fact, there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins. This furthers solidifies the base of support for the project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something more than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom development. This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, is unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not mean that we should not try... Jacques Jacques Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. -Adrian On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Ryan, Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 . Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:17 AM, BJ Freeman wrote: David has commented that he started this project with Idea that Trained consultants in ofbiz would be paid to install modify, and customize ofbiz. That model in my opinion does not work, as David has since said, with open source. Especially being in ASF. I don't believe I ever said any such thing. In fact, I've said many times that most users of OFBiz do everything on their own and never hire a consultant, and for the project that is a very good thing. Not everyone will want to do that, and it won't always be the most cost-effective (and certainly not time-effective) thing to do, so there is certainly a market for consulting. However, that is not and never should be considered a requirement for using the project or a design objective of the project. Not ever. -David
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
I apologize is I paraphrased this wrong http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-user/201009.mbox/%3c7ddc589c-fce5-4e71-97c9-f5f8147ab...@me.com%3e = BJ Freeman Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man David E Jones sent the following on 1/7/2011 10:58 AM: On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:17 AM, BJ Freeman wrote: David has commented that he started this project with Idea that Trained consultants in ofbiz would be paid to install modify, and customize ofbiz. That model in my opinion does not work, as David has since said, with open source. Especially being in ASF. I don't believe I ever said any such thing. In fact, I've said many times that most users of OFBiz do everything on their own and never hire a consultant, and for the project that is a very good thing. Not everyone will want to do that, and it won't always be the most cost-effective (and certainly not time-effective) thing to do, so there is certainly a market for consulting. However, that is not and never should be considered a requirement for using the project or a design objective of the project. Not ever. -David
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
/extend/themes/, and now with the 3.0 release you can even search for new themes and install them automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it this way fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it on a handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize there contributions by offering premium themes and plugins. In fact, there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins. This furthers solidifies the base of support for the project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something more than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom development. This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, is unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not mean that we should not try... Jacques Jacques Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. -Adrian On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Ryan, Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 . Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
You do bring up an interesting idea though... Say for instance we have just 2 themes in the OOTB installation with a link under the selection list that said get more themes. Clicking that would bring up a list of themes in an external themes repo. We could then have a script that allows the user to grab the external themes XML seed data and download the themes assets to their installed instance. Might be a good idea for a future enhancement. That's nice indeed !!
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
Please make that a configurable option, since in a SAS, muiltitenant environment that may not be advisable. = BJ Freeman Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/7/2011 11:54 AM: You do bring up an interesting idea though... Say for instance we have just 2 themes in the OOTB installation with a link under the selection list that said get more themes. Clicking that would bring up a list of themes in an external themes repo. We could then have a script that allows the user to grab the external themes XML seed data and download the themes assets to their installed instance. Might be a good idea for a future enhancement. That's nice indeed !!
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
with the 3.0 release you can even search for new themes and install them automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it this way fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it on a handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize there contributions by offering premium themes and plugins. In fact, there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins. This furthers solidifies the base of support for the project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something more than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom development. This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, is unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not mean that we should not try... Jacques Jacques Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. -Adrian On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Ryan, Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 . Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
Yes, it makes sense to have it configurable. 2011/1/7 BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net Please make that a configurable option, since in a SAS, muiltitenant environment that may not be advisable. = BJ Freeman Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/7/2011 11:54 AM: You do bring up an interesting idea though... Say for instance we have just 2 themes in the OOTB installation with a link under the selection list that said get more themes. Clicking that would bring up a list of themes in an external themes repo. We could then have a script that allows the user to grab the external themes XML seed data and download the themes assets to their installed instance. Might be a good idea for a future enhancement. That's nice indeed !!
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
Ryan, Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. -Adrian On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Ryan, Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any
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Jacques, I understand your concerns about support, and your thoughts on the themes has some valid points. However, in regards to the BizznessTime theme, I never really intended for that to be my theme anyway. I always viewed it as a community theme as that was it's original intent and it was truly a collaborative effort to build it between myself, my colleagues at HotWax, BrainFood, and other members of the the OFBiz community. At any rate, my time issues and focus have shifted significantly over the last few months as I have left HotWax and gone into independent consulting and freelance development. I plan on taking a much more active role in the community in the months and years ahead. As far as theme contributions go, I wonder if maybe it would be a good idea to have a theme repo outside of the trunk that individuals could commit to? The problem with theme maintenance once a new theme has been added to the trunk is that not everyone has commit privileges to the trunk. This makes the process of maintenance a lot more time consuming for individual contributors as they have to rely on patches, updates, collaboration, etc, rather than just monitoring and maintaining their own code. Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. -Adrian On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Ryan, Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really
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Yes, but why not create an evolution and keep the old one? Is it so bad that Ryan and you want to remove it? I like plurality, and especially I'm sure it will be easier for some of our users to have it at hand... Any other opinions? Jacques From: Adrian Crum adri...@hlmksw.com From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. -Adrian On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Ryan, Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like
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/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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I'm all for plurality as well. In fact, I have at least 10 more front-end and backend themes that I am working on or planning. I'm just not sure I want to maintain 10 more themes in the trunk. What if Bruno, Ean or anyone else creates more themes as well? Do we really want to constantly maintain 10, 20, 30 different themes?... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Yes, but why not create an evolution and keep the old one? Is it so bad that Ryan and you want to remove it? I like plurality, and especially I'm sure it will be easier for some of our users to have it at hand... Any other opinions? Jacques From: Adrian Crum adri...@hlmksw.com From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. -Adrian On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Ryan, Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around
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On 1/6/2011 11:11 AM, Ryan Foster wrote: I think the way that Magento and Wordpress do it are good examples. With Wordpress, there is one official theme that is included with the install, but there are literally thousands of themes that are not maintained by Wordpress that they list on there site http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/, and now with the 3.0 release you can even search for new themes and install them automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it this way fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it on a handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize there contributions by offering premium themes and plugins. In fact, there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins. This furthers solidifies the base of support for the project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something more than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom development. This was discussed when we first added visual theme capability. There is nothing blocking third-party visual themes being offered on other sites. It was suggested that OFBiz have only one theme, but the decision was made to have more than one so that visual theme selection could be demonstrated. -Adrian
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outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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Adrian Crum wrote: On 1/6/2011 11:11 AM, Ryan Foster wrote: I think the way that Magento and Wordpress do it are good examples. With Wordpress, there is one official theme that is included with the install, but there are literally thousands of themes that are not maintained by Wordpress that they list on there site http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/, and now with the 3.0 release you can even search for new themes and install them automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it this way fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it on a handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize there contributions by offering premium themes and plugins. In fact, there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins. This furthers solidifies the base of support for the project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something more than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom development. This was discussed when we first added visual theme capability. There is nothing blocking third-party visual themes being offered on other sites. It was suggested that OFBiz have only one theme, but the decision was made to have more than one so that visual theme selection could be demonstrated. -Adrian I guess Ryan would hope to have a mechanism to handle it graciously Jacques
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the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. -Adrian On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Ryan, Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian
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necessarily afford custom development. This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, is unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not mean that we should not try... Jacques Jacques Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. -Adrian On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Ryan, Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when
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and companies in the Wordpress community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins. This furthers solidifies the base of support for the project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something more than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom development. This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, is unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not mean that we should not try... Jacques Jacques Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. -Adrian On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Ryan, Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 . Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After
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it this way fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it on a handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize there contributions by offering premium themes and plugins. In fact, there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins. This furthers solidifies the base of support for the project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something more than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom development. This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, is unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not mean that we should not try... Jacques Jacques Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. -Adrian On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Ryan, Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 . Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though
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. Doing it this way fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it on a handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize there contributions by offering premium themes and plugins. In fact, there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins. This furthers solidifies the base of support for the project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something more than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom development. This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, is unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not mean that we should not try... Jacques Jacques Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. -Adrian On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Ryan, Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx.de@ googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian
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official theme that is included with the install, but there are literally thousands of themes that are not maintained by Wordpress that they list on there site http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/, and now with the 3.0 release you can even search for new themes and install them automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it this way fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it on a handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize there contributions by offering premium themes and plugins. In fact, there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins. This furthers solidifies the base of support for the project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something more than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom development. This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, is unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not mean that we should not try... Jacques Jacques Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. -Adrian On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Ryan, Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 . Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes
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, there is one official theme that is included with the install, but there are literally thousands of themes that are not maintained by Wordpress that they list on there site http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/, and now with the 3.0 release you can even search for new themes and install them automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it this way fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it on a handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize there contributions by offering premium themes and plugins. In fact, there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins. This furthers solidifies the base of support for the project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something more than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom development. This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, is unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not mean that we should not try... Jacques Jacques Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix it, etc. -Adrian On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Ryan, Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 . Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would
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Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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I think we should work on some animations and gif files. It should be added in the existing theme. Because it will improve look and feel of the theme. Also we should update our themes regularly so that we can compete with other framework applications. I know it would not be easy but by using animations we can express our ideas in effective manner. Thanks Regards, Ajay Lashkari On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com wrote: The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian
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of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just choice the name! Thanks Jacques Ryan Foster wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
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By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
I would like to throw out the idea we keep flat grey as a test layout. this is the one I use for ui testing with Selenium. so if you improve it save the current one as Selenium theme. = BJ Freeman Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/3/2011 10:39 AM: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
That's great news Ryan - I can't wait to see the new theme! It's good to know you're willing to help with Flat Grey - I'm no graphics artist. As far as updating Flay Grey - I can create a Jira issue and you can supply patches if you like. I really don't have much to say in addition to what I've said on the mailing list. Maybe the location of the main navigation tab bar can be controlled by a user setting - top, left, or right. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Ryan Foster cont...@ryanlfoster.com wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
I don't think the markup will change that much - if at all. My hope is we will only need to change the style sheets and gif files. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote: I would like to throw out the idea we keep flat grey as a test layout. this is the one I use for ui testing with Selenium. so if you improve it save the current one as Selenium theme. = BJ Freeman Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/3/2011 10:39 AM: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekampsascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Rouxjacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crumadrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
Here we go: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com wrote: That's great news Ryan - I can't wait to see the new theme! It's good to know you're willing to help with Flat Grey - I'm no graphics artist. As far as updating Flay Grey - I can create a Jira issue and you can supply patches if you like. I really don't have much to say in addition to what I've said on the mailing list. Maybe the location of the main navigation tab bar can be controlled by a user setting - top, left, or right. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Ryan Foster cont...@ryanlfoster.com wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
That sounds great. Create the issue and send me a link to it and I'll get to work. Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: That's great news Ryan - I can't wait to see the new theme! It's good to know you're willing to help with Flat Grey - I'm no graphics artist. As far as updating Flay Grey - I can create a Jira issue and you can supply patches if you like. I really don't have much to say in addition to what I've said on the mailing list. Maybe the location of the main navigation tab bar can be controlled by a user setting - top, left, or right. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Ryan Foster cont...@ryanlfoster.com wrote: IMO I see no reason to have a Flat Grey Evolution theme. Adrian is right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add another improved version, let's just improve the version we have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the long run. As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list discussion. Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope will become the go-to theme for scalability and customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are displayed in two rows. -Adrian --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: By chiclet main navigation style, you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as it is (because there are advantages to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of the chiclet main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a collapsible left column. -Adrian --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
I really would appreciate to keep the Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a few visual improvements. Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to my mind . :-) Cheers 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme
IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, of course. I have no ideas though :/ Jacques From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. The current version of the theme is based on the original look and feel of OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around the Spring of 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a little more interesting. After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating flexible layout (to fit any size screen), it was made sight-impaired accessible (font size can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout (for rtl languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz community and, in my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback theme when all else fails. It just works. Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update it to make it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other themes. I'm thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current templates and javascripts would be maintained. If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also appreciate any suggestions or comments. Let me know what you think. -Adrian
