[e-gold-list] ReLateko freezes Euro Gold Line accounts

2002-11-22 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Good afternoon all,

Please note that Lateko bank has frozen, WITHOUT
notice all of our accounts.  While we do not yet know
the full extent of this, our operating funds for the
main part are therefore also tied.  We are in contact
with our attorney in Riga, and expect to immediately
return there.

Additionally, we have received an affidavit, submitted
by Mr. Rupert Utley(Hill & Associates aka OSrecovery)
and will be contacting counsel to initiate actions of
perjury, with malice and intent.

we will update more, as soon as posible. We regret the
inconvenience to our clients and will take all actions
to remedy this as quickly as possible.

Further, we know that there has been a smear campaign
against us and all exchange services and ask that
clients send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the proofs
of this.

Regards,

Frank
Euro Gold Line B.V.



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[e-gold-list] looking for E-Bullion

2002-11-20 Thread Frank Zuchristian
Good morning everyone,

we are looking for 1300 US$ worth of E-Bullion, we can
swap for E-gold or send wire, just let us know.

Thanks!

Yvonne
Euro Gold Line B.V.



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[e-gold-list] Re:Rwuest for inof, URGENT

2002-11-15 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Can anyone on this list get me an address, telephone
and email for:

Judge Kaplan

United States District Court for the Southern District
of New York.

I am attempting to try to call, in reference to email
sent to Lawyers for Hill & Assoc in which I asked it
be presented to the judge.

Frank
+371-961-5727

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[e-gold-list] Re:US Bank account added by Euro Gold Line

2002-10-24 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Good evening,

This is just an interim announcement that we have
added a US bank account for clients benefit.  The
information for this can be obtained after filling out
your order form.  We no longer post bank references,
due to fraud issues on the net.

Along with that many new services have been added and
more are planned.  Our intent, as always is to service
our clients in meeting their financial needs.

Check out the pages to see for yourself.

Regards

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: Euro Gold Line update

2002-06-26 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Good afternoon,

Euro Gold Line and its affiliated offices has decided
in order  to keep our queues in a manageable condition
that we will begin to return all outstanding spends of
OS Gold to us. Please bear with us as we complete this
process.

This will then put us in a better position to respond
to our clients needs when the current financial
problems of OS Gold are rectified.  We will not be
changing our price structure from the existing, as we
have no intentions of taking advantage of  the
situation. 

We will announce any further changes as soon as we
have confirmation of information. Thank you for your
patience and understanding.

Kind regards
Yvonne 
Euro Gold Line B.V.


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[e-gold-list] Re: Euro Gold Line missing order form

2002-05-05 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Good morning,

Will Conoon Gold Exchange Ltd, plse contact me.  We
have received your funds but no corresponding order,
plse advise.

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: Euro Gold Line various

2002-04-24 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Good afternoon,

I wanted to send out an update from out latest trip,
however time does not really permit, right now.  We
will say that it was positive.

During the last two weeks we have experienced a lot of
problems with emails, particularly that of receiving
order forms.  Part of the problem is with hot mail
which have very small email boxes and they tend to
overflow, particularly if large emails are received. 
The other part is that we have been attempting to
bring up the new site and an accompanying mail server.
 Due to being in different parts of the world
something went wrong and none of those emails have
been accessible by us.  We put a redirect on, only to
find that some of our referrers placed an extended url
on their sites, this then bypassed our redirect, so
the problem continued. The above have also delayed our
ability to send messages from those accounts.

Secondly, during this period we continue to have both
heavy exchanges and funding.  Some of you may be aware
that e-gold has been in short supply lately and we are
experiencing problems and delays in keeping up with
the demand, please bear with us.

OSGOLD SALE, our supply of OSGold is far too high at
the moment, therefore we will sell at THREE PER CENT,
and give further discounts on bulk orders.  We will
not be taking time out to change pages but will simply
honor that rate on incoming orders.

Those wishing to sell their excess e-gold are
encouraged to do so, if bulk is available plse contact
us for price.

We hope that things will smooth out within the next
few days, and thank all those clients that have sent
emails of encouragement.

Regards,

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: Euro Gold Line, a little behind right now

2002-04-17 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Good morning,

Due to the many meetings that we have had in Riga and
in trying to compress 5 days into 3 we are running a
little behind.  We will continue efforts to get
current.

Funding on debits cards is now running less than a day
behind.

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: Online balances for card accounts site

2002-04-11 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Card accounts now has online balances available, see

http://www.cardaccounts.tv/1002/index.php

Please note that this is available for the Lateko bank
only.  We ar discussing this option with other banks
but have not received commitments from them yet.  A
series of meetings is planned, next week in Riga to
pursue this.

All of the cards, from the Lateko bank that begin with
706 can now view their balances.  Some time next week
all of the cards beginning with 702 will be added to
this.

We apologize that it took longer than expected, but
the task was larger than was forseen.

Now that this is behind us we can look to the future
for additional offerings in this area. You can expect
more announcements of new products shortly.


Frank
http://www.eurogoldline.nl
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[e-gold-list] Re: Euro Gold Line announces 1% EVO Funding

2002-04-11 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Euro Gold Line announces that it will sell EVO cash at
1%. 

We continue to receive more EVO cash and rather than
go 
through the lengthy process of converting to cash and
buying
replacement gold we have decided to offer EVO at 1% 

You can do local deposits in 8 contries and more are
being 
added. Additionally, if in Europe you can send in Euro
for a
lower fee than those charged for USD.

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: Euro Gold changes and trip

2002-04-09 Thread Frank Zuchristian


First and foremost - The long awaited ONLINE support
for the debit cards is now functional (actually for a
couple of days, but I wanted to make sure).  Those of
you who have paid and signed up can now get your own
balances on the cards.  Funding of the cards can be
done via any of the Euro Gold Line sites or card
accounts.  For direct funding please contact us, this
is a lot more difficult as we have several that have
not applied and we are awaiting clients to contact us.
The sales of the debit card continue at a brisk clip.

http://www.cardaccounts.tv/1002/index.php  or
http://www.eurogoldline.nl

EVO cash now being funded at 1%

We continue to have a surplus of EVO cash and are
enabling our clients to take advantage of the
situation by funding EVO cash at 1% for wires.  Just
submit your order and write "SPECIAL" in the comments
field.  The following sites will honor the special at
this time:

http://www.eurogoldline.nl
http://www.goldex.com.au
http://www.anygoldnow.com
http://www.eurogoldFrance.com


We are all busy trying to resolve what went wrong, we
are not receiving the the order forms from our new
site.  Hopefully, this will be resolved within a day
or two at the most.  After that Euro Gold Line goes
.com as well as .nl  Our satellite system has arrived
but will not be installed until our return.

Lastly, we are leaving for our Riga office on
Saturday, April 13.
Transactions will continue to be handled, however, as
that is always a busy time for us, our time on the net
will be minimized.  Although we are training
additional staff for our Holland office, they are not
yet ready to cope on their own.  Please bear with us
if things slow down a little, we will do our best.

We will leave Riga, on Thursday for a side trip to
Moscow.  We hope that we have made all the
arrangements to be online there so that once again
transactions can be processed and are taking our
laptop with us.  Wish us luck, as it seems that new
envireonments create new problems for connecting, you
can rest assured that we will do our best.  Due to
flight schedules we will return to Riga Friday late
and then depart for Holland the next day.

We believe that the items on the agenda for this Riga
trip will excite everyone, but are not telling. Stay
tuned for the report when we return.

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold to evocash, YES

2002-04-05 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Euro Gold Line will be happy to convert your e-gold
into EVO cash, in fact we will even pay a half per
cent premium to do so.

Regards,

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: Support for Gaitman's Gold Nation

2002-03-23 Thread Frank Zuchristian


This gives us again the opportunity to show our
solidarity and stand firmly behind Eric, Gaithman's
Gold Nation.  Euro Gold Line and it's affilliates and
branches certainly will and have already expressed
this privately.

I, personally, believe that this once again
demonstrates the need for a single fraud database to
make sure that these people do not slip through the
cracks.  I urge each of the dgc's to put aside any
differences and use the eCTA fraud database, and of
course that goes for all exchange services members or
not of eCTA.

Eric, please let us know how we can best assist you,
we are there for you and stand ready to back you.

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re:German bank account and premium for e-gold

2002-03-12 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Good afternoon,

Regretfully, we must announce that the Deutsche Bank
24 has notified 
us that our account is to be closed on March 16th.  No
reason was 
given, nor have we had any problem with the bank and
the account was 
working very well.  We can only assume that it is part
of the ongoing 
campaign against digital currencies.  Perhaps honesty
is not the best 
policy as we explained to them what we were doing.  

We will be uploading our new website, and changing
servers next 
weekend.  Please excuse any interruptions.  All new
information is 
reflected on the site.

Additionally, for this week we will pay a premium of
1% for e-gold 
redeemed for cash.  We will not be modifying our
pages, but will 
adjust any orders that come in, put special in to the
comments field 
to be sure.

Regards,

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re:Premium for e-gold +

2002-02-21 Thread Frank Zuchristian



 
ADVERTISEMENT
 
 

We seem to be experiencing a rash or missing forms. We
have several 
deposits that we are still trying to locate client.
Additionally we 
have had at least two notices that clients transferred
gold to us 
intending to convert to another currency, where we
could not find a 
corresponding form. We complete all conversions during
the same day, 
but use the order form as that gives us both the
account number and 
name that we need to complete the process. Please
contact us if it 
does not happen so that we can follow up on a timely
basis. Our 
weekly audit will not happen as we will be out of
town.

Our supply of e-gold continues to run short, therefore
we will pay a 
premium of a half percent for e-gold redeems for the
next week. We 
will also reduce the amount for a free wire to $1000.
Just do your 
spend and put SPECIAL in the comments field

Again, just a short reminder that we will be leaving
Arnhem about 
11AM on Saturday and will be in our office in Riga
beginning Sunday 
morning.

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: German bank account and Riga

2002-02-20 Thread Frank Zuchristian


To assist in the questions we have received regarding
our banking, I have copied them below.  Please note
that the Germand bank account will accept both Euro
and USD.


Lateko Banka
Account name: Koenraad Debedts  (plse note this
account was opened
Account number: 2040024831prior to us becoming
a company)
SWIFT: LATB LV 22
E. Birznieka-Upiisa 21
Riga, LV-1011, Latvia 
Aizkraukles Banka
Account name: Euro Gold Line
Account number: 1-065-0020754-0101
SWIFT: AIZK LV 22
Elizabetes iela 23
Riga, LV-1010, Latvia

Parex Bank
Account name: Euro Gold Line
Account number: 757924
SWIFT: PARX LV 22
3 Smilshu Str.
Riga, LV-1522, Latvia

Deutsche Bank 24 AG (branch number 311)
Account name: Euro Gold Line
KTO:3204922
BLZ:324 700 24
SWIFT: DEUTDEDB324
Filiale Kleve
Herzogstrasse 30
47533 Kleve
Deutschland 
 
   
We will be going to our office in Riga, on Saturday,
feb 23 and remain until Thursday 28 February.  Our
office there is now equipped with two online
computers, therefore do not anticipate any delays in
transaction handling, we will be online early in the
day and again late afternoon.  We will also be
available via our mobile and will post the telephone
number there, our office is in the Radisson Hotel.

I am pleased to report that our new joint venture to
market the debit cards has been a success, with more
than 100 cards sold before I could even get
announcements completed.  

http://www.cardaccounts.tv/1002/index.php

Those wishing to earn by promoting this please contact
us to make arrangements.

The travel agency and it's associated affilliate
program have also been very successful.  Own your own
travel agency and earn between 8 to 30% commission for
air, car, hotel reservations.  We also hope to
complete arrangements to be able to pay with gold.  To
sign up for your own travel agency go to:

http://www.thestoremaker.com/cgit/branded?agentid=demoeuro

We expect to make some major announcements on our
return from this trip, look for our updates.

Regards,

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] oops fogot to give you the URL

2002-02-16 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Sorry,  the url is 

http://www.cardaccounts.tv/1002/index.php


Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Euro Gold Line partners DEBIT cards

2002-02-16 Thread Frank Zuchristian


We have made a new pertnership in order to more
effectively sell our very popular debit cards
worldwide. We also now ship from 3 location to
ecpedite your order.

For immediate release, all regions:

Thunderbirth Investing of Panama and by Harbor Savings
Bank, a registered bank in Montenegro proudly
announces the start of cardaccount.tv. We have worked
together, with the Lateko bank, in Latvia to bring
you, our clients an exceptional value, while
guaranteeing your privacy. 

The anonymous debit card is truly that, as we have our
own distribution centers to mail them to you. 

The bank charges, including ATM fee are only ONE per
cent and there is no withholding. 

The cards are all CIRRUS system cards, which can be
used at any of the ATM’s displaying their logo, and
there are more than 200,000 worldwide. 

Further we offer you the ability to purchase and fund
these cards using most major digital currencies. 

We also offer, as a special service, the ability to
view you own balance and retrieve statements ONLINE 

Subscribers of the online service will only pay 1.5%
to fund their accounts, non subscribers will pay 2%
for card funding. Customers will also have the option
of funding their card accounts themselves via bank
wires. 

Funding will be completed the same day as we receive
your funds, barring some unusual conditions. 

You will also, have available our info and contacts to
be sure that you receive the service you deserve. 

This is only the tip of the iceberg of the services
that we will provide for our clients, we hope that you
will bookmark our pages and check back regularly.
Planned additions for the next few weeks include a
shopping card, secured credit cards, either MasterCard
or VISA. 

Do you manage a club or program, contact us to see
what we can do for you 

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[e-gold-list] Re: Euro Gold Line cable programs FIXED

2002-02-14 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Good afternoon all,

Finally, after more than three days, our cable problem
has been fixed, rather they seem to have disappeared
overnight. All payments have now been entered into our
banking systems for execution.

Wire transfers that were late due to the inability of
us to enter them successfully will be sent out urgent,
at our costs.  Our online banking systems security
kicks us out when a response is not received within
time frames, making it impossible to enter them.

We hve made an appointment, to look into satellite as
our prime method of connecting as cable problems are
becoming more frequent.  Ordinarly we would have gone
to dial up backup, but the authorities have advised us
that at the moment it is not safe for financial
transactions.  We do not want to risk any of our
client's information nor of course our own accounts.

We apologize to any clients that were inconvenienced
by the disturbance, and again thank them for their
patience and loyalty.

Regards,

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: Euro Gold Line celebrates 1st year

2002-02-05 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Euro Gold Line is now one year old.  Hard to believe
even for us.  Like all growing business' we had our
share of problems, rather obstacles to overcome.

We are very proud to be able to say that almost all of
the clients that began with us continue to use our
service, thank you for your loyalty.

Needless to say that we made a lot of new friends
along the way, and most of those continue on with us.

Not long ago, we launched our US office, who like us
had had to go through trying times, but like us will
grow in the business.  Our Australian affiliate, Paul
at Gold Exchange has had great success, but also not
without pain.

More importantly, where do we go from here?

We are currently completely redoing our website, as
with additions it has just become too difficult not
only for us but our clients.  To accommodate our
clients all over the world we have had to expand our
banking network and continue to do so, the new pages
will make this much simpler for everyone to use.

We promised to have a new website together for the
debit card program.  We will be a few days late, but
it will be there.  The new website will enable us to
market the debit more effectively worldwide.  We will
be adding, the ability for our clients to be able to
view their balances on line, and afterward receive
their monthly statments for a small monthly charge.

We recently added a travel section and that will be
expanded on.  We have used it, and the feedback from
some of our test clients has been excellent.  We are
negotiating ways for them to be able to accept digital
currencies as payment.

We are currently opening up 6 new offices to serve our
clients better, most of these are targeted to open
within a month, depending on banking arrangements. 
The most significant thing about this is our clients
will be able to reach a Euro Gold Line member
practically 24 hrs a day for support.

We have many new and innovative projects in various
stages at this time.  Our goal is to provide the best
overall, timely, quality service for all of our
clients needs.  We remain keenly aware of this as we
expand our operations to insure that we do not dilute
this.

We are also looking at moving servers, and getting our
mail server as we do experience problems in that area
from time, most significantly in lost orders.

We will fund all EVO cash orders at TWO PER CENT until
this Sunday.

Regards,

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: Euro Gold Line Riga Update

2002-02-01 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Good morning,

Sorry for the delay in updating everybody on our Riga
trip.  I 
suppose that it follows naturally, as we had a 5 hour
delay in Prague 
on our return due to a storm in Holland.  This was
followed by 5 of 
the provinces being without cable the following day. 
Needless to say 
we needed some time to catch up on essential business
prior to giving 
this update.

We are establishing a Latvian company and office, as
our business 
will require frequent trips there.  One of the
drawbacks has been 
that we have only had partial use of one computer, and
since much of 
our business is financial we do not use internet
cafes.  Future trips 
we will have the use of a private office with two
computers to 
properly conduct business while away.  Our time on the
net will still 
be minimized, as we always have many meetings, but
things will be 
much smoother.  

The website is progressing in a complete redesign.  We
are minimizing 
changes to the current pages in order to expedite the
new one.

Late last year Euro Gold Line became a holding company
in Holland, 
and are now registered as Euro Gold Line B.V., the
registration for 
the Dutch Chamber of Commerce is 09048829.

We have had very good feedback, from several
continents, regarding 
the new travel package (see index page lower left). 
We are 
continuing negotiations to make this available to
clubs to 
participate in and for alternate payments including
digital currency.

There will be another major announcement, later today,
in regard to 
the debit card program.  All I will say at this point
is that it will 
include price reductions and additional features or
each client being 
able to view their balances online, and ultimately
statements.

Lastly, we hope to have 10 affilliate/branch offices
on line by the 
end of February and the work for that is progressing
nicely.  These 
will handle local currencies and be able to provide
immediate support 
for our clients worldwide.  Ultimately, we hope to
establish a 
newtork of virtual accounts to replace having to use
intermediatory 
banks which has proved very difficult for many of our
clients.

We thank everybody for their continued support and
forebearance when 
things happen that are outside of our control, and
assure you that we 
are looking for ways around that.  Again, please stay
tuned for an 
announcement later today regarding debit cards.

Regards,

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Euro Gold Line is experiencing problems

2002-01-20 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Good morning,

For the past several days we have been experiencing
some problems both in our ability to access portions
of the net,  as well as clients trying to access our
pages and hotmail.

We believe these problems are due to cable problems
and have notified them to take corrective action.  In
the meantime if you are having problems with our
normal email address please use 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
to communicate.  We are testing the latter as it has
PGP encryption built into it.

We apologize for any inconvenience that it may cause
you and hopefully it will be corrected later today or
tomorrow.

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: Euro Gold Line seeks Timo Kettunen

2002-01-19 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Good morning all,

Sorry to bother everybody, however, Euro Gold Line has
received funds with incomplete information and cannot
complete the funding.

Mr. Timo Kettunen,  we believe from Finland please
contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  so that we can
receive the rest of the information necessasry to
complete your funding.

Regards,

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[e-gold-list] Re: Euro Gold Line adds Domestic and International Travel

2002-01-15 Thread Frank Zuchristian


We have added a domestic and international travel
package to our index pages at
htt://www.eurogoldline.nl  or
http://www.mezzopolitan.com

We have been testing this package for several months
and are completely satisfied that it will meet the
needs of our clients around the world.  Currently, the
form of payment is via credit cards, however, we are
actively negotiating with them to accept gold as an
alternative form of payment in the future.

Many of our clients have asked for this feature, now
you have it.  We listen to our clients comments and
suggestions and continue to implement these as soon as
feasible.  Over the next few weeks we will be adding
more branches in order to serve you better and closer
to home, wherever possible.

For clients wishing to use Western Union to fund their
gold accounts we ask that you try to do this on
Mondays. Western Union is quite inconvenient for us to
get to, but again we try to accommodate all of our
clients.

We will continue to fund at 3% from all of our
affilliates and branches.  Currently we support
e-gold, OSGold, EVO cash and E-Bullion.  Our new
supply of Debit cards will arrive later today, these
will all be from the Lateko bank with a 2 year
expiration date, no more having change cards every
year.  Our price is still only, $75 plus courier
shipping ($50).  You can ICQ or email us for either
your balance or request a statement of activity.


Regards,

Frank
Euro Gold Line B.V.
ICQ 145809307 or 94782605
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.eurogoldline.nl
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[e-gold-list] Re: Looking for M. Osolnik

2002-01-15 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Euro Gold Line has received funds from M. Osolnik,
please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  we have
insufficient information to complete your funding.

Our funding rates continue at 3% and we are buying at
100%.  Our debit cards are only $75, plus courier
shipping ($50, NO PO Boxes)

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[e-gold-list] Re: replying to Offshore banking w/Fiat

2002-01-09 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Good afternoon,

We know of no banks that will open an account for you
without proper documentation.  Once having submitted
that you can open in a pen name, if you have a
company.

Other than that you will only have the option to use a
anonymou debit card wich we can sell for you.

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: Special sale and announcements

2002-01-09 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Our new supply is on it's way, and with a special
arrangement of the bank we celebrate with a new price
of $75 dollars, plus shipping.

These cards a expiration date of 2 years from current,
meaning that you don't have to replace the card every
year and come from the Lateko (Latvian Commercial
Developement Banka).  Email or ICQ us for your balance
.  We have setup aanother computer for this purpose
and the ICQ number is 145809307.

The ministery of Justice has approved our
incorporation as Euro Gold Line B.V., a holding
company and will make site changes as soon as
confirmation from the KvK (Dutch Chamber of Commerce)
is received.

Monday is Western Union day for Euro Gold Line, in
Holland.  We try to keep this to a minimum as the
location of the ONLY office, in Arnhem is best
accessed via bus rather than car.  All orders have to
be payable to Frank Zuchristian and please use only
the number verification.

Our german clients can now deposit directly to the
Deutsche bank 24, either transfers or walk in as this
is a normal account.

We met, yesterday, at the request of the ING bank, a
rather belated, and sometime heated discussion
regarding our accounts and contracts and are awaiting
their decision.  This decision is promised within 2
weeks.  We will keep you appraised, of this and what
action we contemplate with regards to the accounts
that we had in EC countries.

I will be in Italy this weekend to meet with the
people for the French and Italian offices.  All normal
operations will continue through either our office in
Holland or my temporary location in Alessandria.

Lastly we are returning to Riga on the 24th of January
to finalize some other arrangements.  We will be
staying at the Hotel De Roma and using their business
center in order to conduct business.  All operations
will continue but our time on the net will have to be
minimized during this period.  We expect to return
with several more announcements to be made and one
will be a reduction of the 2nd year fees on the debit
cards, more I won't reveal

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: Euro Gold Line sale to CONTINUE

2002-01-07 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Good aftenoon everybody,

We have made arrangements via the bank to continue our
sale of the anonymous debit cards at the special price
of $90, plus shipping ($50 via courier service).  The
bank charges on these cards are 1% and the first
funding if done at order time is FREE.  Subsequent
funding is at 1.5% and can be paid for with any of the
gold programs, that we support.  Monthly statements
are available and your balance is a email or ICQ
request away.

We will also continue to fund gold accounts at THREE
PER CENT, either through our offices in Holland, US or
Australia.  Euro Gold Line will buy your gold at
100.5% until January 15th and then at 100%.  Exchanges
of $1500 or more will also still receive a free wire
or check depending on the circumstances.

Don't forget that we now have a normal German bank
account.  We will be adding more offices before the
end of the month.  All bank information is located on
our banking pages.

Thank you for your support, we look forward to many
innovations in the coming year to provide the best
possible client service.

Regards,

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: Euro Gold Caution

2002-01-06 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Good morning all,

Eric Gaithman, a fellow founding member of the eCTA
has informed us of a program on the web with a
similiar name to ours.  Our thanks to him, this is
part of what the eCTA is about each watching the
others back and working together to provide a safer
net for all of us.

We attempted to email them, however the email was
returned.  We also took the information of the
registrars, however, the telephone seems to be some
kind of an answering service.  Their is no telephone
listing for the gentleman listed in Soest, and too
many names for the two listed in Amsterdam.  We have
also spent one cent to each of their accounts and have
asked them to contact us.  Here is the information
from the reistrar:


Registrant:
Global Internet Ltd (EUROGOLD2-DOM)
26 Spencer Walk
London, SW15 1PL
UK

Domain Name: EUROGOLD.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Global Internet Hostmaster (GIH-ORG)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Global Internet
113-123 Upper Richmond Road
Putney, London SW15 2TL
UK
+44 0 20 8957 1000
Fax- +44 0 20 8957 1060
Billing Contact:
Accounts Dept (GI21-ORG)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Global Internet Ltd
113-123 Upper Richmond Road
Putney, London SW15 2TL
UK
+44 0 20 8957 1000
Fax- +44 0 20 8957 1100

Record last updated on 16-Mar-2001.
Record expires on 17-Feb-2002.
Record created on 16-Feb-1996.
Database last updated on 5-Jan-2002 15:34:00 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

AUTH1.DNS.GXN.NET 195.224.255.2
AUTH2.DNS.GXN.NET 195.224.255.6
AUTH3.DNS.GXN.NET 194.205.172.242
AUTH4.DNS.GXN.NET 195.224.255.94

Euro Gold Line B.V. has nothing to do with this
program or any other program on the net.  We do not
imply anything regarding this program, other than the
fact that we have no association with it.

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: Missing information

2002-01-04 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Euro Gold Line and it's affilliates are currently
trying to match received funds to orders.

We have about 5 deposits, where insufficient
information has been passed by the correspondent
banks, for us to match them to orders from clients. 
Anyone having recently deposited to our accounts that
has not yet been funded please contact us with your
transfer information.

We are continuing to work to replace these
correspondent accounts with a network of either
virtual accounts or real accounts in order to better
serve our clients.

We still have a few debit cards left at $90, but the
stock is going quickly.  Our funding will continue at
THREE % for the time being, thank you for your
support.

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: The message posted is not AGRONEX

2002-01-03 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Gentlemen, the message posted by 3Agronex is a hacker
trying to injure a legitimate member of eCTA.  

Everything we can do to track this law breaker down
and bring him to justice will make the gold community
that much safer.

Frank
President
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[e-gold-list] Re: NEW YEAR SALE

2002-01-02 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Happy New Year to one and all.  

In celebration of the New Year we will continue to
fund gold accounts 
at THREE PER CENT.

We have a few debit cards left from last months stock,
these will be 
available at $90, plus shipping until supply is
exhausted. The bank 
fees on these cards are 1% while most banks are
charging 1.5%.  We 
continue to fund the debit cards at 1.5%, also your
balance will be 
available to much faster, either email us at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
or reach us on ICQ 145809307

For our German clients, we have opened a regular bank
to speed and 
reduce your costs to fund your gold account, see
information below, 
and remember that all deposits must now be mde in
EURO's.


Deutschland  Um unseren deutschen Kunden besseren
Dienst zu geben, 
haben wir ein örtliches deutsches Bankkonto eröffnet.
Unten sind die Informationen

Euro Gold Line
KTO: 320492200
BLZ: 32470024
SWIFT:DEUTDEDB324 (Nur für internationale
Übertragungen)
Deutsche Bank 24 AG
Herzogstrasse 30
47533 Kleve
Deutschland  

We have many exciting projects currently underway.  We
expect to open 
at least three more offices before the end of the
month in order to 
better serve our worldwide clients.  

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: [e-gold-list]Last chance for Debit card

2001-12-16 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Last chance to get your numbered debit card before
XMAS, if send out Mon or Tuesday you will still be
able to get your card before XMAS.  Don't know what to
buy your loved one, get them a debit card.  Your first
funding, if placed with the order is FREE.

The card is still on special at $125.00 and can be
purchased and funded via gold currency.  Use at any
ATM displaying the CIRRUS logo, more than 200,000
worldwide.

Our funding continues at the low rate of only 1.5% for
the debit cards.

Our special regular funding of gold currencies will
remain at 3% throughout the holidays.  Don't forget to
check out our US and Australian/NZ offices.

Regards,

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Euro GOld Line Holiday Specials

2001-12-10 Thread Frank Zuchristian


In keeping with the holiday season Euro Gold Line and
it's affiliates 
will fund your gold account for 3% over spot beginning
today.  Please 
put XMAS into the comment field as we will not be
changing our rate 
pages.

Our no name debit cards are also on special for the
holdiay season.  
Price is $125, plus shipping ($50) by courier service.
 These are 
CIRRUS cards and intended only for cash withdrawel. 
There is no name 
on the card, only numbers and the cards are shipped
from our office 
in Holland, on the same day as receipt of your gold. 
They are also 
fundable via gold, at 1.5%.  The bank has reduced
their charges to 1% 
for withdrawel fees.

We also have secured credit cards available with many
options please 
contact us for details.

Lastly, our new banking arrangements have begun to
smooth out, 
although we are still experiencing problems with
several of the 
correspondent banks, which delay both incoming and
outgoing funds.  
We are working with the banks to clear this up.  We
apologize to 
those clients that were adversely effected by this
changeover.

We wish you peace and prosperity, and a happy holiday
season.  We 
will be on the road from Dec. 22 thru 27, but plan to
continue 
limited operations.

Thank you for helping Euro Gold Line achieve the
growth that we have 
had this year, it was far above any plan.  We have
many projects in 
the works to provide even more services to you in the
new year.

Regards,

Frank
Euro Gold Line, B.V.
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[e-gold-list] Re: Pending Changes at GoldNow

2001-10-22 Thread Frank Zuchristian


--- Graham Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Boys and girls,
> 
> I'm pleased to announce that we are opening offices
> in 15 countries,
> namely, Austria,  Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France,
> Germany, Iceland,
> Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain,
> Sweden, Switzerland,
> and finally, Japan. All these countries will be
> operational by 1st November.
> (WHAT did they ever do before GoldNow came along?

Graham, they used either Paul, ICE Gold or me, Euro
Gold Line, and I suspect that many will continue to do
so.  Congratulations, all of this helps to further the
acceptance of gold.   It is good to know that you are
rediscovering your European roots, but not everybody
left. Frank, Euro Gold Line



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[e-gold-list] Re: Please contact Euro Gold Line

2001-10-17 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Sorry to bother everyone else,

Mr. Rainer Hatz and Willi Kratz, both of Germany
please contact Frank, Euro Gold Line
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: Euro Gold Line announces new partner

2001-10-14 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Euro Gold Line is pleased to welcome Mr. Dennis
Peterson to the growing family.  Mr. Peterson will
become the first of our affiliations in the US.  This
will enable us to better serve our clients there. 
Here is his url:  http://www.dennispeterson.net/

We have added local representatives in a number of
other countries, these will be upgraded to branch
offices after we complete our transition to a holding
company with three operating companies.

Please join us in welcoming Mr. Peterson to the group.
 We are also presently negotiating a global solution
to our banking needs.  The BBL bank in the UK
continues to delay with one excuse after another the
opening of our Sterling account there.  We apologize
to our UK clients, as we never felt that it would take
this long, and thank those who continue to use our
Dutch account for their support.

Frank
Euro Gold Line
http://www.eurogoldline.nl
http://www.mezzopolitan.com



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[e-gold-list] Re: Warning

2001-10-12 Thread Frank Zuchristian


This just arrived in one of my other mail boxes
courtesy of Financial Prosperity.
Subject SCAM WARNING

DO NOT ATTEMPT to believe the following email SHOULD
you receive it.
This is a continuing scam being sent out by someone
pretending to be
Douglas Jackson of E-gold.

E-Gold is NOT closing and E-Gold will NEVER request
you to login at 
any web site. PLEASE READ carefully and DO NOT believe
it.



Dear E-GOLD Customer,

As such, I regret to inform you taht E-GOLD service,
will be 
discontinued as of october 22nd 2001. Please refer to
the detailed 
E-GOLD shutdown timetable at : 

This decision was not taken lightly. It reflects the
ongoing high 
cost and limited returns of operating the E-GOLD
Network.
For the past five years we have worked very hard to
develop and 
mantain a sustainable private online banking system
and we thank you 
for all your support of our endeavor.

We share your disappointment and we apologize for the
impact this 
decision will have on your online activities. We
deeply regret that 
we are unable to maintain the E-GOLD Network and we
wish to thank you 
for your loyalty and for your understanding of this
difficult decision 
we had to make.

Please follow the link : 

REMOVED 

The timetable for shutting down the E-GOLD network and
the REFUND 
POLICY, for all the customers.

Sincerely,

Douglas Jackson
Gold & Silver Reserve

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The above is a fake and a SCAM. DO NOT even attempt to
login to the
url that is given in the above SHOULD you receive it.
You will be
giving your passphrase away to a scammer. You have
been earned, now
please do not be stupid!!!


Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: Mr. Knubben please contact Euro Gold Line

2001-08-01 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Mr. Steven Jan Knubben, living in London, please
contact Euro Gold Line at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

We have received your funds but have no corresponding
order from you.  We hope that you are a member of this
list.

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: LOCAL BANKS-Belgium, France,Germany,Italy,Luxembourg,Portugal,Spain, and UK

2001-07-17 Thread Frank Zuchristian


--- Frank Zuchristian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> PLEASE MAKE ALL DEPOSITS TO THESE ACCOUNTS IN
> EURO'S. 
> You can specify how you want it on the order from,
> but
> deposits made in other than Euro's will cause delays
> in our receipt of funds.  We originally, believed
> that
> you could make them, temporarily, in local currency
> and automatically converted, however, this appears
> to
> delay the transfers.
> 
> 
> --- EuroGoldLine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There seems to be some confusion in referance to
> > Euro Gold Line's banking
> > expansion program.  Do not attempt to enter
> > Netherland or make a cross
> > border/international transfer to these accounts. 
> > These accounts are for
> > LOCAL deposits in your country to avoid the high
> > cost of international
> > transfers.
> > 
> > For your Info, they are now activated.
> > >
> > >THEY ARE HERE!
> > >
> > >Good news, I have the numbers, and the numbers
> are
> > on the computers 
> > for
> > processing at this point.  We are making site
> > changes as quickly as
> > possible to reflect this.
> > 
> > 
> > >Belgium:   3101630148-52   (NOT 6-50)
> > >Luxembourg:17-534-743-0-3/100
> > >Germany:   3150151068  BLZ 37010400
> > >France:30438 1 4000 72860
> > >Spain: 0168-0001-88-0001603426
> > >Italy: 03475 1601 087006750
> > >Portugal:  0500  311000200097-51
> > >United Kingdom:600027-92  sort code 238859
> > >
> > >Hopefully, very quickly will follow the Latvian
> > >account. We will make the changes to the pages,
> and
> > >upload them as soon as everything is squared
> away. 
> > We
> > >also add a seperate banking page to reflect these
> > >changes.
> > >
> > >Clients in the effected countries will also see a
> > >slight increase in our pricing to reflect the
> extra
> > >costs that we incur.  However, they should save
> > >substantially over the total costs being
> > experienced
> > >now. Pricing for these countries is $12 minimum,
> 4%
> > up to $1 and 
> > 3%
> > above.  Prices for countries not affected DO NOT
> > CHANGE.
> > >
> > >Euro Gold Line is always on the lookout as to how
> > to
> > >serve their clients better.  Practically all of
> our
> > >business are repeat clients or their referrals,
> of
> > >which we are very proud.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Frank
> > >Euro Gold Line
> > >http://www.eurogoldline.nl
> > >http://www.mezzopolitan.com
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[e-gold-list] Re: LOCAL BANKS-Belgium, France,Germany,Italy,Luxembourg,Portugal,Spain, and UK

2001-07-16 Thread Frank Zuchristian

PLEASE MAKE ALL DEPOSITS TO THESE ACCOUNTS IN EURO'S. 
You can specify how you want it on the order from, but
deposits made in other than Euro's will cause delays
in our receipt of funds.  We originally, believed that
you could make them, temporarily, in local currency
and automatically converted, however, this appears to
delay the transfers.


--- EuroGoldLine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There seems to be some confusion in referance to
> Euro Gold Line's banking
> expansion program.  Do not attempt to enter
> Netherland or make a cross
> border/international transfer to these accounts. 
> These accounts are for
> LOCAL deposits in your country to avoid the high
> cost of international
> transfers.
> 
> For your Info, they are now activated.
> >
> >THEY ARE HERE!
> >
> >Good news, I have the numbers, and the numbers are
> on the computers 
> for
> processing at this point.  We are making site
> changes as quickly as
> possible to reflect this.
> 
> 
> >Belgium:   3101630146-50
> >Luxembourg:17-534-743-0-3/100
> >Germany:   3150151068  BLZ 37010400
> >France:30438 1 4000 72860
> >Spain: 0168-0001-88-0001603426
> >Italy: 03475 1601 087006750
> >Portugal:  0500  311000200097-51
> >United Kingdom:600027-92  sort code 238859
> >
> >Hopefully, very quickly will follow the Latvian
> >account. We will make the changes to the pages, and
> >upload them as soon as everything is squared away. 
> We
> >also add a seperate banking page to reflect these
> >changes.
> >
> >Clients in the effected countries will also see a
> >slight increase in our pricing to reflect the extra
> >costs that we incur.  However, they should save
> >substantially over the total costs being
> experienced
> >now. Pricing for these countries is $12 minimum, 4%
> up to $1 and 
> 3%
> above.  Prices for countries not affected DO NOT
> CHANGE.
> >
> >Euro Gold Line is always on the lookout as to how
> to
> >serve their clients better.  Practically all of our
> >business are repeat clients or their referrals, of
> >which we are very proud.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Frank
> >Euro Gold Line
> >http://www.eurogoldline.nl
> >http://www.mezzopolitan.com
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[e-gold-list] Re: Your E-gold account has been frozen.

2001-07-16 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Don't do it!!
e-gold does not send out this kind of message, it is
an attempt to get at your passphrase.

Frank
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--- Dale Pond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just got this in my email. Anyone know anything
> about it?
> 
> Subject: Your E-gold account has been frozen.
> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:16:31 +0300
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: URGENT!!! FRAUD SITUTATION!!!

2001-07-15 Thread Frank Zuchristian

It's too bad that we can't go back and find out who is
providor is for all of these sites.

I've just gone to yesterday's ghost for a little extra
safety and don't want to have to repeat it.

Frank
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http://www.mezzopolitan.com
--- Michael Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paul,
> 
> The site you informed me does not contain any
> reference to gold today.
> 

> However it does contain a virus which one of my
> virus alerts picked up.
> 
> I would suggest no one goes to
> http://goldxpress.ibusinessdot.com  and 
> how come you Paul are promote site with viruses on?
> 
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.gold-today.com
> Sign up with e-gold today and get grams of e-gold
> here. 
>
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> ~~
> two cents worth??
> http://two-cents-worth.com/?goldtoday 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Paul Dinon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Monday, July 16, 2001 9:35 am
> Subject: URGENT!!! FRAUD SITUTATION!!!
> 
> > Someone claims to be Gold-Today.  Their website is
> at:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://goldxpress.ibusinessdot.com/
> > 
> > 
> > I just wanted to let you be aware of this
> situation.
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > 
> > Paul Dinon
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[e-gold-list] Re: open

2001-07-15 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Congratulations JPM,

Euro Gold Line believes that this is a good idea and
recommends it to it's clients and all.

Why leave your money sitting in an account without
benefit, but in fact creates a storage charge, put it
to work for you.

Great idea.

Frank
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http://www.eurogoldline.nl
http://www.mezzopolitan.com
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> >> http://1mdc open for business at last, this
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> >
> >Unique! Intriguing! I can only wonder what great
> new features
> >'1mdc' has in store for it's lodgers.
> >
> >Great going, JP.
> >
> 
> Our ultimate aim it to take over the best ERE on the
> net ..
>   http://tarasvirtualstudio.com !!
> 
> :)
> 
> Actually, you can probably guess what will happen
> with 1mdc.  And 
> yes, early users will be rewarded very well.
> 
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: Please contact Euro Gold Line - Planet M

2001-07-13 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Thank you all,

We found our Planet M, it was one of our UK who had
not expected the transfer to go out that way, and
therefore did not match with any orders.  Again for
our UK clients you now deposit LOCALLY to fund your
gold accounts;

Act # 600027-92 sort code 238859 Name:  Euro Gold Line

Regards,

frank
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> 
> Planet M, I have received your funds but not your
> order or information.
> Please fill out the form on our funding page, or
> contact me at
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> We do experience problems with AOL users, if you are
> please fill in the
> form and then cut and paste it to the above address.
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: Phase 1 Bank Expansion Program

2001-07-12 Thread Frank Zuchristian


THEY ARE HERE!

Good news, I have the numbers, the only thing that has
to happen is that they must be added to my  electronic
banking package.  This should only take another day or
two.  I am going to give you the numbers at this
point.

Belgium:   3101630146-50
Luxembourg:17-534-743-0-3/100
Germany:   3150151068  BLZ 37010400
France:30438 1 4000 72860
Spain: 0168-0001-88-0001603426
Italy: 03475 1601 087006750
Portugal:  0500  311000200097-51
United Kingdom:600027-92

Hopefully, very quickly will follow the Latvian
account. We will make the changes to the pages, and
upload them as soon as everything is squared away.  We
also add a seperate banking page to reflect these
changes.

Clients in the effected countries will also see a
slight increase in our pricing to reflect the extra
costs that we incur.  However, they should save
substantially over the total costs being experienced
now.

Euro Gold Line is always on the lookout as to how to
serve their clients better.  Practically all of our
business is repeat clients or their referrals, of
which we are very proud.

Regards,

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[e-gold-list] RE: E-Gold to Paypal

2001-07-05 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Eric,

I agree fully with you.  It would be rather nice if we
could check out a new outexchange client, perhaps then
we could stop them from getting at their ill gotten
gains, that would certainly slow down the amount of
fraud.

Obviously this requires assistance from the providor's
to do, can we expect any assistance?

Frank,
Euro Gold Line

--- "Eric J. Gaither" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gentlemen,
> 
> 
> May I be so rude as to interject?
> 
> >There is zero risk in outexchanging E-Gold and you
> have to get it from
> > somewhere.
> 
>I must disagree with you on this point. 
> Technically, there is no
> *immediate* risk on outexchanges because the
> transaction is non-reputiable,
> agreed.  However, due to the large numbers of
> scammers who hide in e-gold
> (auction scammers, "program" scammers, pyramid
> promoters, for instance)
> there is a LARGE *associated* risk in outexchanging
> e-gold.
> 
>For example,  I attempted to assist in the refund
> process for Eurocredits
> (monies were to be refunded from E-Biz investors) by
> facilitating transfers
> from "eurocredit dollars"  to Standard Reserve
> currency.  Gary Stroud of
> EuroCredit bank was to exchange the "eurocredit
> dollars" for USD to wire to
> my company in exchange for his clients transfers to
> SR currency.  Rather
> than sending USD from EuroCredit bank, he liquidated
> e-gold holdings and had
> a wire for $9715 sent to my company informing me
> that he simply wanted to
> "cash out" of e-gold before using the USD backing
> EuroCredits.  This seemed
> logical as he claimed to have holdings in several
> digital currencies and
> owned several large companies. His ID, phone
> numbers, and physical addresses
> all were verifiable.
> 
> Three weeks later I have received calls from the
> SEC, the Superior Court
> of Western Oklahoma, the court appointed receiver
> AND the prosecutor from
> the case Gary Stroud is involved in.  It appears
> that the e-gold holdings
> Gary Stroud "liquidated" was really just more e-gold
> he scammed out of new
> "investors" for more programs he was promoting. He
> was never able to produce
> USD from EuroCredit bank.  It appears that
> "eurocredit dollars" are the
> equivalent of Monopoly money.  (You know, nice to
> look at, fun to play with
> and  imagine spending, but ultimately worth less
> than the paper it was
> printed on.)
> 
> So, just because a transaction is
> "non-reputiable" (non-reversible) does
> not mean it does not have risk associated with it. 
> Scammers, con-artists,
> and simple thieves are well acquainted with the
> rules of e-gold and
> frequently use those rules to their advantage.  As a
> Market Maker, we are
> then left in the "sticky" situation where we are
> sometimes unknowingly duped
> into helping a criminal outexchange funds taken from
> a victim.  (The auction
> scammer is a prime example!)
> 
> Now more than ever Outexchange transactions need
> to have as much (if not
> MORE) Due Diligence completed as Inexchange
> transactions.  Completing
> outexchanges for people can sometimes drop their
> "dirty laundry" right on
> top of your unsuspecting head.
> 
> Thanks for listening.
> 
>  Eric
> 
> Eric Gaither, President
> Gaithmans Gold Nation, Inc.
> (317) 788-8580 Voice
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> http://businesses.msn.com/gege/
> 
> Gaithmans: your ultimate e-currency exchange service
> provider!
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Vince Callaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "e-gold Discussion"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "e-gold Discussion"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:08 AM
> Subject: [e-gold-list] RE: E-Gold to Paypal
> 
> 
> > On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Graham Kelly wrote:
> >
> > > Ian,
> > > I tend to agree, but I learned a long time ago,
> that people who undercut
> > > a service fee-wise, are generally not around a
> while later... so I've
> > [snip]
> >
> > Not always true.
> >
> > There is zero risk in outexchanging E-Gold and you
> have to get it from
> > somewhere.
> >
> > Like any business rates are adjusted according to
> the market.  I was
> > paying 2% for peoples E-Gold.  I pay out in
> Paypal.  I was getting to the
> > point where I was buying more E-Gold than I was
> selling.  I dropped the 2%
> > and now things are working well.
> >
> > I also increased my in-exchange rate to 10%.  The
> only payments I use are
> > Paypal.  I do address and phone verification on
> all new customers.  That
> > can get somewhat expensive.
> >
> > The ironic part is since I raised my rate from 8%
> to 10% my order volume
> > has increased.

> >
> > Go figure.
> >
> >
> > ---
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[e-gold-list] RE: E-Gold to Paypal

2001-07-05 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Eric,

I agree fully with you.  It would be rather nice if we
could check out a new outexchange client, perhaps then
we could stop them from getting at their ill gotten
gains, that would certainly slow down the amount of
fraud.

Obviously this requires assistance from the providor's
to do, can we expect any assistance?

Frank,
Euro Gold Line

--- "Eric J. Gaither" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gentlemen,
> 
> 
> May I be so rude as to interject?
> 
> >There is zero risk in outexchanging E-Gold and you
> have to get it from
> > somewhere.
> 
>I must disagree with you on this point. 
> Technically, there is no
> *immediate* risk on outexchanges because the
> transaction is non-reputiable,
> agreed.  However, due to the large numbers of
> scammers who hide in e-gold
> (auction scammers, "program" scammers, pyramid
> promoters, for instance)
> there is a LARGE *associated* risk in outexchanging
> e-gold.
> 
>For example,  I attempted to assist in the refund
> process for Eurocredits
> (monies were to be refunded from E-Biz investors) by
> facilitating transfers
> from "eurocredit dollars"  to Standard Reserve
> currency.  Gary Stroud of
> EuroCredit bank was to exchange the "eurocredit
> dollars" for USD to wire to
> my company in exchange for his clients transfers to
> SR currency.  Rather
> than sending USD from EuroCredit bank, he liquidated
> e-gold holdings and had
> a wire for $9715 sent to my company informing me
> that he simply wanted to
> "cash out" of e-gold before using the USD backing
> EuroCredits.  This seemed
> logical as he claimed to have holdings in several
> digital currencies and
> owned several large companies. His ID, phone
> numbers, and physical addresses
> all were verifiable.
> 
> Three weeks later I have received calls from the
> SEC, the Superior Court
> of Western Oklahoma, the court appointed receiver
> AND the prosecutor from
> the case Gary Stroud is involved in.  It appears
> that the e-gold holdings
> Gary Stroud "liquidated" was really just more e-gold
> he scammed out of new
> "investors" for more programs he was promoting. He
> was never able to produce
> USD from EuroCredit bank.  It appears that
> "eurocredit dollars" are the
> equivalent of Monopoly money.  (You know, nice to
> look at, fun to play with
> and  imagine spending, but ultimately worth less
> than the paper it was
> printed on.)
> 
> So, just because a transaction is
> "non-reputiable" (non-reversible) does
> not mean it does not have risk associated with it. 
> Scammers, con-artists,
> and simple thieves are well acquainted with the
> rules of e-gold and
> frequently use those rules to their advantage.  As a
> Market Maker, we are
> then left in the "sticky" situation where we are
> sometimes unknowingly duped
> into helping a criminal outexchange funds taken from
> a victim.  (The auction
> scammer is a prime example!)
> 
> Now more than ever Outexchange transactions need
> to have as much (if not
> MORE) Due Diligence completed as Inexchange
> transactions.  Completing
> outexchanges for people can sometimes drop their
> "dirty laundry" right on
> top of your unsuspecting head.
> 
> Thanks for listening.
> 
>  Eric
> 
> Eric Gaither, President
> Gaithmans Gold Nation, Inc.
> (317) 788-8580 Voice
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> http://businesses.msn.com/gege/
> 
> Gaithmans: your ultimate e-currency exchange service
> provider!
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Vince Callaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "e-gold Discussion"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "e-gold Discussion"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:08 AM
> Subject: [e-gold-list] RE: E-Gold to Paypal
> 
> 
> > On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Graham Kelly wrote:
> >
> > > Ian,
> > > I tend to agree, but I learned a long time ago,
> that people who undercut
> > > a service fee-wise, are generally not around a
> while later... so I've
> > [snip]
> >
> > Not always true.
> >
> > There is zero risk in outexchanging E-Gold and you
> have to get it from
> > somewhere.
> >
> > Like any business rates are adjusted according to
> the market.  I was
> > paying 2% for peoples E-Gold.  I pay out in
> Paypal.  I was getting to the
> > point where I was buying more E-Gold than I was
> selling.  I dropped the 2%
> > and now things are working well.
> >
> > I also increased my in-exchange rate to 10%.  The
> only payments I use are
> > Paypal.  I do address and phone verification on
> all new customers.  That
> > can get somewhat expensive.
> >
> > The ironic part is since I raised my rate from 8%
> to 10% my order volume
> > has increased.

> >
> > Go figure.
> >
> >
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[e-gold-list] Re: Insurance for Unauthorized Access

2001-06-29 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Perhaps this is something that the eCTA could look at
it least for it's members, if e-gold isn't able to
deal with it for one reason or another.


I think if the membership (of this list) knew that the
insurance was part of the package, it would certainly
improve the credibility of the organization, and it's
members.  I am sure that some MM's not currently
registered would take that into consideration.

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: New Banking connections and VAT/BTW/IVA

2001-06-25 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Euro Gold Line changes.


Effective immediately do not add VAT/BTW/IVA on our
fee to your funding.  These references will be removed
as quickly as possible.

The new LOCAL banking changes are being phased in,
below is the list for the 1st batch.  Our pages will
change to reflect that information, and they should be
available toward the latter part of next week.

Belgium
France
Germany
Italy
Luxembourg
Portugal
Spain
United Kingdom

Clients in the above countries will be able to make a
LOCAL deposit instead of cross border or
international.  Our pricing for this new service will
be  $12 miniumum charge (up to $300), 4% on all orders
up to $10,000 and 3% above.  We will be paying for the
fee for the cross border, which is why we had to raise
the prices slightly. The process of sending and
receiving funds will also be speeded up as these funds
will be immediately verus GIRO or cross border that
can up 3 to 5 days.  This should represent a
significant savings to clients in the above countries.

Thank you for considering Euro Gold Line, we work hard
to please our clients.  Most of our business has been
repeat clients and their referrals, of which we are
very proud.

Frank
Euro Gold Line
http://www.eurogoldline.nl
tel:  +31-26-844-0113
fax:  +31-26-844-0342
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[e-gold-list] Re: advertising

2001-06-22 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Michael,

That is an excellent idea, we need to spread the
gospel of gold currency, to gain more widespread
acceptance.

The problem is far more acute, here in Europe, ask the
average person and he doesn't know what you are
talking about.  Some time ago, I conducted a survey in
an office of close to 40 computer literate people
(almost all of whom have computers at home), and only
5 had ever heard of e-gold, and none had accounts
(they do now!).

Euro Gold Line is addressing the other cause for many
Europeans failing to use Gold currency, mainly the
cost of sending funds. Our clients in all of the Euro
countries, plus a number of other countries will be
able to avoid the high cost of international transfers
and unexpected intermediatory bank charges as we open
banking relationships in those countries over the next
few weeks.  Our clients in the UK and N. Ireland have,
repeatedly told us that in order to fund their
accounts it is costing them a minimum of $45 to $55 or
more.  When these accounts are in place, the cost will
be a LOCAL transfer and our new all inclusive fee of
$15 (at the low end of funding), thereby saving the
client $30 to $40. A side benefit to this will be
faster receipt/sending of funds.

In the relatively short time that Euro Gold Line has
been in operation we have been able to build up a
solid base of loyal clients, of which we are proud. 
Furthermore most new business comes from referrals by
these clients.  Not only do we look for ways we can
better serve our clients needs, we encourage them to
let us know how we can better serve them.

Spreading the word is always difficult.  Just for
laughs, I spoke to a Yahoo representative the other
day, about a ad campaign.  However, the first thing I
bought out is that although Euro Gold Line is found in
the YAhoo search engine the text reflects our counter,
and that there form to modify does not work.  The
answer I don't know anything about that, but you
should consider and advertising campaign of at least
$5000.  My answer was if you can't the listing right
why would I spend a MINIMUM of $5000 with you?  I am
still awaiting a reply for that.

Regards,

Frank
Euro Gold Line
tel:  +31-26-844-0113
fax:  +31-26-844-0342

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> 
> > I dunno if e-gold has considered it but they might
> want to 
> > consider sending 
> > an electronic
> > newsletter to all its account holders
> periodically, new businesses 
> > could 
> > advertise in the
> > newletter. It could be as simple as sending the
> most recent news 
> > from the 
> > "e-gold News"
> > page. If the newsletter had other items of
> interest such as on 
> > privacy, 
> > liberty, etc, it might
> > end up be forwarded to others and end end up
> pulling in new customers.
> > Of course, people should be able to opt out from
> receiving the 
> > news letter.
> 
> this is one of the most sensible ideas I have seen
> yet.
> 
> 1)It would enable advertisers to reach e-gold
> account holders.
> 2)provide further income for e-gold
> 3)provide a platform for e-gold to promote their
> cause.
> 4)keep alive the e-gold dream  and improve activity
> of e-gold accounts.
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: advertising

2001-06-22 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Michael,

That is an excellent idea, we need to spread the
gospel of gold currency, to gain more widespread
acceptance.

The problem is far more acute, here in Europe, ask the
average person and he doesn't know what you are
talking about.  Some time ago, I conducted a survey in
an office of close to 40 computer literate people
(almost all of whom have computers at home), and only
5 had ever heard of e-gold, and none had accounts
(they do now!).

Euro Gold Line is addressing the other cause for many
Europeans failing to use Gold currency, mainly the
cost of sending funds. Our clients in all of the Euro
countries, plus a number of other countries will be
able to avoid the high cost of international transfers
and unexpected intermediatory bank charges as we open
banking relationships in those countries over the next
few weeks.  Our clients in the UK and N. Ireland have,
repeatedly told us that in order to fund their
accounts it is costing them a minimum of $45 to $55 or
more.  When these accounts are in place, the cost will
be a LOCAL transfer and our new all inclusive fee of
$15 (at the low end of funding), thereby saving the
client $30 to $40. A side benefit to this will be
faster receipt/sending of funds.

In the relatively short time that Euro Gold Line has
been in operation we have been able to build up a
solid base of loyal clients, of which we are proud. 
Furthermore most new business comes from referrals by
these clients.  Not only do we look for ways we can
better serve our clients needs, we encourage them to
let us know how we can better serve them.

Spreading the word is always difficult.  Just for
laughs, I spoke to a Yahoo representative the other
day, about a ad campaign.  However, the first thing I
bought out is that although Euro Gold Line is found in
the YAhoo search engine the text reflects our counter,
and that there form to modify does not work.  The
answer I don't know anything about that, but you
should consider and advertising campaign of at least
$5000.  My answer was if you can't the listing right
why would I spend a MINIMUM of $5000 with you?  I am
still awaiting a reply for that.

Regards,

Frank
Euro Gold Line
tel:  +31-26-844-0113
fax:  +31-26-844-0342

--- Michael Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I dunno if e-gold has considered it but they might
> want to 
> > consider sending 
> > an electronic
> > newsletter to all its account holders
> periodically, new businesses 
> > could 
> > advertise in the
> > newletter. It could be as simple as sending the
> most recent news 
> > from the 
> > "e-gold News"
> > page. If the newsletter had other items of
> interest such as on 
> > privacy, 
> > liberty, etc, it might
> > end up be forwarded to others and end end up
> pulling in new customers.
> > Of course, people should be able to opt out from
> receiving the 
> > news letter.
> 
> this is one of the most sensible ideas I have seen
> yet.
> 
> 1)It would enable advertisers to reach e-gold
> account holders.
> 2)provide further income for e-gold
> 3)provide a platform for e-gold to promote their
> cause.
> 4)keep alive the e-gold dream  and improve activity
> of e-gold accounts.
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.gold-today,com
> 
>  -
>  Receive faxes 24x7, no second line necessary.
>http://www.mbox.com.au/
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[e-gold-list] Re: New banking connections in the works

2001-06-14 Thread Frank Zuchristian


We are pleased to announce that we signed the master 
contract for the Euro Navigator Program, yesterday. We
will 
be adding local accounts in about 20 countries, all of
the 
Euro countries and a number of others including US,
that we 
have clients in. 

Clients in those countries will no longer experience
the 
delays and most importantly the costs of wire
transfers as 
they will deposit and/or receive LOCALLY! 
This goes out specially for our UK clients, you will
be added.

Frank 
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[e-gold-list] Re: You asked for it, you got it

2001-06-13 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Euro Gold Line wishes to announce that it has today
signed a master contract to add 21 countries to it's
banking relationships.

Clients in those countries affected will no longer
have to pay for cross border transfer charges.  We
will announce new fees fee which will incorporate
those charges.

These will be posted on the appropriate pages as the
accounts are activated.  What we can say is that from
what has been reported to us that clients in the UK
will will save a lot of money.

According to the reports we have received, somebody
wishing to fund $199 , ends up paying $40 to $50 unde
the new rates it will be $15

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: UK and other countries banking

2001-06-12 Thread Frank Zuchristian

The investment is VAT free, however, I am told that
the service fee of an intermediatory, such as
ourselves is subject to VAT. Therefore in those
countries that have BTW/VAT/IVA I have dutifully (not
happily) collected it on behalf of the government on
my fee ONLY.

Point me the way, if you feel that this is in error
and I will gladly stop collecting it, it would
certainly easey my bookeeping, a heck of a lot

Frank
Euro Gold Line
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--- Julian Morrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Frank Zuchristian wrote:
> > 
> > Euro Gold Line is presently setting up accounts in
> > several countries, of which the UK will probably
> be
> > the first.  Hopefully these should start to appear
> as
> > early as next week.
> > 
> > When the country becomes available, there will be
> > adjustments made to the rate schedule for that
> > country.  The way the system works, we effectivley
> > will be picking up the cost of transfer, however
> as
> > these are bulk transfers it will be far cheaper
> than
> > what our clients now have to pay individually. 
> The
> > last item that we are dealing with is to include
> the
> > BTW/VAT/IVA in our pricing.  We will announce, on
> this
> > list when these issues are resolved.
> > 
> > http://www.eurogoldline.nl
> 
> BTW, "investment gold" is supposed to be vAT free.
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[e-gold-list] Re: UK and other countries banking

2001-06-12 Thread Frank Zuchristian

The investment is VAT free, however, I am told that
the service fee of an intermediatory, such as
ourselves is subject to VAT. Therefore in those
countries that have BTW/VAT/IVA I have dutifully (not
happily) collected it on behalf of the government on
my fee ONLY.

Point me the way, if you feel that this is in error
and I will gladly stop collecting it, it would
certainly easey my bookeeping, a heck of a lot

Frank
Euro Gold Line
http://www.eurogoldline.nl
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wrote:
> Frank Zuchristian wrote:
> > 
> > Euro Gold Line is presently setting up accounts in
> > several countries, of which the UK will probably
> be
> > the first.  Hopefully these should start to appear
> as
> > early as next week.
> > 
> > When the country becomes available, there will be
> > adjustments made to the rate schedule for that
> > country.  The way the system works, we effectivley
> > will be picking up the cost of transfer, however
> as
> > these are bulk transfers it will be far cheaper
> than
> > what our clients now have to pay individually. 
> The
> > last item that we are dealing with is to include
> the
> > BTW/VAT/IVA in our pricing.  We will announce, on
> this
> > list when these issues are resolved.
> > 
> > http://www.eurogoldline.nl
> 
> BTW, "investment gold" is supposed to be vAT free.
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[e-gold-list] Re: UK and other countries banking

2001-06-12 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Euro Gold Line is presently setting up accounts in
several countries, of which the UK will probably be
the first.  Hopefully these should start to appear as
early as next week.

When the country becomes available, there will be
adjustments made to the rate schedule for that
country.  The way the system works, we effectivley
will be picking up the cost of transfer, however as
these are bulk transfers it will be far cheaper than
what our clients now have to pay individually.  The
last item that we are dealing with is to include the
BTW/VAT/IVA in our pricing.  We will announce, on this
list when these issues are resolved.

http://www.eurogoldline.nl

Frank
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> >> Yes that's true, but it applies equally to money
> orders. I used to run a =
> >> mail order business and have taken tens of
> thousands of UK personal =
> >> checks and I never once had anyone try that.
> Credit and debit cards, on =
> >> the other hand, gave us chargeback problems all
> the time.=20
> >
> >However, a currency, or even just gold, provides a
> lot more incentive to
> >fraudulent types than mail order things. e-gold can
> be exchanged for
> >national currency instantly whereas mail order
> stuff must be re-sold,
> >which entails much more hassle.
> >
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[e-gold-list] Re: US bank fees on international transfers

2001-06-09 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Good morning Graham,

How is Texas treating you, or are you on the road
again?

Just to let you know, the Dutch banks have learned
this also.  In about half the inbound transfers I
receive a charge of about $6.50 give or take on USD
value.

Ocassionally, they really sock it to me on the
outboound side, a normal transfer of $500 to NZ costs
me about $17.

My favorite, remains the Postbank, where it takes 4
days to move funds from one side of town to the other,
unless I pay an extra equiv. $6.50, and then it's
there in a couple of hours.  There are days that I
think I am in business to make the banks rich.

I am glad to see that eCTA is moving forward, my
paperwork is in the mail.  I urge those who have not
yet joined to do so, their experience and input is
invaluable to the organization. Together we can make a
difference.  I will proudly display the symbol along
with my KvK (Dutch Chamber of Commerce) registration
to let everyone know.

Frank 
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--- Graham Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, guys, I've discovered that most US banks
> "extract" $10 USD for
> an incoming wire...
> 
> Cheers!
> 
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> 
> 
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > No shit.  Just this minute I got in the mail box
> the note from the
> > 
> > Commonwealth Bank that you get when you get a
> wire.
> > 
> > F*s took $5 for themselves!
> > 
> > 
> > >I can't believe how expensive and deceptive  NZ
> and Australian banks
> > are in
> > >making international transfers.  I needed to send
> my brother NZ$1
> > 000 and
> > >shopped around for the methods: A$26 for a
> telegraphic transfer, A$28
> > to
> > >post my debit card (2 days). I chose the TT,
> which required me to
> > visit the
> > >branch. Now my brother tells me he got only
> NZ$980! Yes the delivery
> > boys in
> > >the process opened my package and helped
> themselves to another NZ$20!
> > >Westpac Banking Corporation Limited Australia
> failed to inform me
> > of the
> > >extra fee and mislead me that the charge would be
> A$26. When I called
> > them
> > >to ask about it the consultant said she could
> tell me nothing about
> > it and
> > >that it was not Westpac's fee. Not only slow and
> limited, deceptive
> > and
> > >misleading too.
> > >
> > >David Hillary
> > >Sydney, Australia
> > 
> > 
> >
>
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[e-gold-list] Re: E-Gold->UK exchange?

2001-06-09 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Good morning Rachel Willmer,

Euro Gold Line can assist to a degree, unfortunately,
we just had to raise our limit on the FREE transfers
on cashing in e-gold.  However, I think that you will
find our rates better than the average.

A normal bank transfer, we will deduct $15 (it cost us
more) and for same day service add $10 in other words
$25.  We review this periodically and make adjustments
as we can in favor of our clients.

Each transaction is important to us and we have sent
as little as 63GBP to a client in the UK, from which
we have a lot of clients.  Check out our sell rates,
while looking at our pages.

We hope later this year to be able to eliminate the
cross border fee, with a new product being developed
by our bank.

Thank you for considering Euro Gold Line, we hope that
you will tell your friends and business associates
about our service.

Regards,

Frank
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> anyone on the list want to take some e-gold off my
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> bank transfer? The amount is about £200 now, but
> might go up to £1000.
> 
> I've looked at the various market makers, but am
> hoping to find a better private deal which doesn't
> involve paying the international bank charges
> 
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> might go up to £1000.
> 
> I've looked at the various market makers, but am
> hoping to find a better private deal which doesn't
> involve paying the international bank charges
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: [e-gold-list) Euro Gold Line price adjustments

2001-06-05 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Euro Gold line has made pricing adjustments for the
summer months.  Please visit our rates page to view
them.

http://www.eurogoldline.nl

Thank you.

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[e-gold-list] Re: Estonia and Holland in the map of Europe

2001-05-31 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Good morning Mr. Luc Van den Borre,

Not to worry, Belgium is represented as part of the
Euro Gold Line family.  You can also receive support
in all three languages of Belgium with us.

Visit our site and you will see that Belgium is well
represented.

Goede morgen Luc,
je hoeft je niet ongerust te maken want Belgie is goed
vertegenwoordigd als zijnde lid van de Euro Gold Line
familie, voornamelijk als je weet dat ene van de
eigenaars een rasechte Belg is. Via onze site, kan ja
ook informatie krijgen in de 3 talen van Belgie,
alhowel de Duitse kant nog niet volledig vertaald is.

http://www.eurogoldline.nl


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> | In the sake of European peace we made the
> correction, see
> | http://www.icegold.com/estonia.php. Reload if
> necessary.
> | 
> | That is all the alterations we are going to make
> to that map. 
> | 
> | And no JP, we are not going to put Australia or
> Anguilla there!!!
> 
> Great, so now Belgium is annexed to Holland. I think
> I preferred it before :)
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: Putting money into e-gold or osgold accounts

2001-05-31 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Please check out our rates at:

http://www.eurogoldline.nl

Thanks
Frank
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--- Frank Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gerry, Claude is, somewhat modestly, correct I've
> done a pair of sub 10 
> gram deposits with him at GoldCurrencies paying 5%
> (one e-gold the other 
> GoldMoney) this month.
> 
> I'd be willing to bet you could easily playg in THAT
> (sub US$100) league.
> 
> Frank
> 
> At 11:48 05/31/2001 +0800, Gerardo S. Esguerra
> wrote:
> >On Wed, 30 May 2001, C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc.
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > The 10% fees you suggest is certainly way above
> the average.
> > > Many exchange providers have rates at 5% and
> below.
> > >
> > > I suggest you shop around. Make sure you stop at
> GoldCurrencies.
> > >
> >
> >Yes, but such low rates are only for really BIG
> deposits, like minimum
> >$2000!  I'm not in that league.
> 
> -
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[e-gold-list] Re: List of MMs accepting Credit Cards

2001-05-31 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Good morning Mr. Kastner

While Euro Gold Line does not accept credit cards at
this time, we are located right next to you, in
Holland.  We have asked to become Beta site for a new
program developed by our bank which will enable you to
deposit funds in your own country, without fees and
delays, hopefully this will be very soon.

Our German clients have no trouble or delays in
sending or receiving in Euro's at this time and the
fees seem acceptable to them as they keep coming back
to us.

Please visit our site at:

http://www.eurogoldline.nl

Several of our clients are now offering their
customer's a 5% discount for paying with e-gold, just
as some merchants offers a cash discount.  Feel free
to contact us, we always listen to our clients or
prospective clients needs.  We hope to finish
translating the pages into German very shortly, and
you're clients will be able to receive answers in
their native language.

Thank you

Frank
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> Hello out there,
> 
> I am looking for a list of MMs, which accept credit
> cards. I am located in
> Germany and most of the MMs are either outside
> Germany or in the US
> respecitvely. So, wiring or using checks to buy gold
> increases transaction
> costs.
> 
> Since I want to get my customers, which are all
> located in Germany, into
> using e-gold for payments, I'd like to offer them an
> easy way to buy gold.
> Wiring or checking is just not a common way of
> transferring money in
> Germany.
> 
> Maybe someone has an idea or can help.
> 
> Sincerely
> 
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[e-gold-list] RE: last free gram!!!

2001-05-31 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Sorry Paul, but you're going to have to change that
map.

I am familiar with Europe, but can't find Holland on
the map, we can't have that.

Thanks,

Frank
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> > http://bananagold.com/cars.html
> > 
> > that's an incredible collection of photos.
> 
> Maybe we should have new photo collection with more
> scenic views
> around the world plus e-gold logo in some form in
> it. Can anyone come
> up with something more specific, it should be fun
> too. I hope I can
> convince some of my customers around the world (from
> 50 countries) to
> send some pictures too.
>  
> > ... Estonia (where the hell is that anyway?) .. 
> 
> Totally legitimate question and here's a good
> answer:
> http://www.icegold.com/estonia.php. This little map
> makes sense to
> people who at least vaguely know where Europe is :-)
> 
> 
> If anyone on this list plans to visit North-Europe,
> come by to
> Tallinn. It has a great old town and you be amazed
> to know that some
> 10 years ago we were part of Soviet Union. Make sure
> to e-mail me so
> we can get together and have a beer or tea or coffee
> or whatever you
> like to drink.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
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[e-gold-list] RE: DigiGold

2001-05-25 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Problem solved, thanks for the tips.

However, I would like to give a special thanks to Mr.
Sean Dickens, Omnipay support for his help.  He
noticed it early and generously offered to assist me
in solving the problem.

He even offerred to touch base from home later, if
necessary to make sure that I could get back on.  Well
done Sean and Omnipay.

Frank
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--- Reid Jackson-OP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> DigiGold Ltd. maintains that the contract between
> DigiGold Ltd. and
> Systemics has not been terminated; therefore, this
> is obviously a matter of
> dispute.
> 
> Each DigiGold XXG is presently entirely backed by
> its corresponding e-metal:
> 
> http://www.e-gold.com/pub-bal.asp?pubid=105310
> http://www.e-gold.com/pub-bal.asp?pubid=104982
> http://www.digigold.net/balancesheet.html
> 
> so DigiGold XXG definitely is not, nor will it
> become, worthless, although
> its utility appears likely to temporarily diminish.
> 
> OmniPay offers exchange between DigiGold and e-gold;
> however, since it will
> likely not be possible to Spend DigiGold as of May
> 25, 2001, 11:00 a.m. AST
> until this dispute has been resolved, I urge anybody
> with a DigiGold balance
> to promptly exchange for e-gold as soon as possible:
> 
> http://www.omnipay.net
> 
> Please follow-up with e-mail to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], and we will
> expedite fulfillment of your exchange.
> 
> OmniPay will continue to support exchange between
> DigiGold and e-gold even
> if Systemics proceeds with this action, but it will
> be considerably more
> inconvenient for both parties to the exchange than
> presently; therefore,
> again, please place your DigiGold exchange orders
> today at:
> 
> http://www.omnipay.net
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Reid Jackson
> Managing Director
> Gold & Silver Reserve, Inc.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of SnowDog
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:53 PM
> > To: e-gold Discussion
> > Subject: [e-gold-list] DigiGold
> > 
> > 
> > I've got a question:
> > 
> > Ian Grigg made an announcement on the Webfunds
> list that 
> > Systemics will no
> > longer be supporting DigiGold, as of May 25:
> > 
> > --
> > 

> > "Dear WebFunds Users,
> > 
> > "I regret to announce that Systemics Inc will not
> be supporting
> > DigiGold Ltd from 25th May, 2001, 11:00 a.m. AST
> due to
> > termination of the contract between the two
> parties.
> > 
> > "Unfortunately, we cannot afford to continue to
> cover the costs
> > for services consumed by DigiGold Ltd.
> > 
> > "In operational terms this would mean that the
> Issuance Server
> > operated by Systemics Inc will cease to accept
> payment requests
> > for the Ricardian Contracts issued by DigiGold Ltd
> on the above
> > date & time.  These are, in brief, the 4 metals.
> > 
> > "Also, the books that were trading on the Exchange
> will be
> > "closed," and any orders returned in their current
> state to
> > the user.
> > -
> > 
> > Q: Want does this mean? Will all of our DigiGold
> money become 
> > worthless on
> > May 25th, or is this announcement insignificant to
> the functioning of
> > DigiGold?
> > 
> > Craig
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold access problems

2001-05-24 Thread Frank Zuchristian

I noted comments about not being able to access
e-gold's site yesterday.

On Wednesday for more than half a day, I was not able
to access the site, yet at the same time, Paul, Ice
Gold reported no problems.

Friday morning, and the problems is repeating, I
cannot access e-gold.

Does anybody know what is happening?  Wednesday, I
reported it to my cable company thinking it was their
problem, but today I am not sure.  It sure would be
nice if there was some kind of answer, or general
statement on what is happening.

Frank
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--- Reid Jackson-OP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> DigiGold Ltd. maintains that the contract between
> DigiGold Ltd. and
> Systemics has not been terminated; therefore, this
> is obviously a matter of
> dispute.
> 
> Each DigiGold XXG is presently entirely backed by
> its corresponding e-metal:
> 
> http://www.e-gold.com/pub-bal.asp?pubid=105310
> http://www.e-gold.com/pub-bal.asp?pubid=104982
> http://www.digigold.net/balancesheet.html
> 
> so DigiGold XXG definitely is not, nor will it
> become, worthless, although
> its utility appears likely to temporarily diminish.
> 
> OmniPay offers exchange between DigiGold and e-gold;
> however, since it will
> likely not be possible to Spend DigiGold as of May
> 25, 2001, 11:00 a.m. AST
> until this dispute has been resolved, I urge anybody
> with a DigiGold balance
> to promptly exchange for e-gold as soon as possible:
> 
> http://www.omnipay.net
> 
> Please follow-up with e-mail to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], and we will
> expedite fulfillment of your exchange.
> 
> OmniPay will continue to support exchange between
> DigiGold and e-gold even
> if Systemics proceeds with this action, but it will
> be considerably more
> inconvenient for both parties to the exchange than
> presently; therefore,
> again, please place your DigiGold exchange orders
> today at:
> 
> http://www.omnipay.net
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Reid Jackson
> Managing Director
> Gold & Silver Reserve, Inc.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of SnowDog
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:53 PM
> > To: e-gold Discussion
> > Subject: [e-gold-list] DigiGold
> > 
> > 
> > I've got a question:
> > 
> > Ian Grigg made an announcement on the Webfunds
> list that 
> > Systemics will no
> > longer be supporting DigiGold, as of May 25:
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > "Dear WebFunds Users,
> > 
> > "I regret to announce that Systemics Inc will not
> be supporting
> > DigiGold Ltd from 25th May, 2001, 11:00 a.m. AST
> due to
> > termination of the contract between the two
> parties.
> > 
> > "Unfortunately, we cannot afford to continue to
> cover the costs
> > for services consumed by DigiGold Ltd.
> > 
> > "In operational terms this would mean that the
> Issuance Server
> > operated by Systemics Inc will cease to accept
> payment requests
> > for the Ricardian Contracts issued by DigiGold Ltd
> on the above
> > date & time.  These are, in brief, the 4 metals.
> > 
> > "Also, the books that were trading on the Exchange
> will be
> > "closed," and any orders returned in their current
> state to
> > the user.
> > -
> > 
> > Q: Want does this mean? Will all of our DigiGold
> money become 
> > worthless on
> > May 25th, or is this announcement insignificant to
> the functioning of
> > DigiGold?
> > 
> > Craig
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ---
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[e-gold-list] Re: New program/very much so

2001-05-23 Thread Frank Zuchristian

I have been on ICQ with the owners all day, they have
already made changes and will divulge the necessary
information to insure that you are not getting ripped
of.

Their problem was that it was released before
everything was ready.  It is just a shame, that
because of bad experiences we are all ready to throw
rocks.

Hopefully, by tomorrow all of the information will be
available, primarily on their site.  It is not
newness, but intent that makes something bad.  I have
pointed out some of their problems and they took
immediate action to correct them.  I can't say that
for everyone.

I suggest that before you throw rocks, remember the
old saying.  The net has made synics, to a degree of
all of us, however, every every legitimate program
including e-gold had to have a start.  I am not
telling you to go out and get an account, but take
another look and watch what happens. Keep skeptical
but open minded.

Frank
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--- Goldlist Cynic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- Frank Zuchristian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Launched today. A new payment alternative to Egold
> > or
> > OS Gold.
> 
> Perhaps an alternative to OS Gold ... but definitely
> NOT an alternative for e-gold! Where's the gold?
> 
> > It PAYS interest on each account!!
> 
> I bet... (hyip?)
> 
> > It's FREE to join!
> > The account numbers are nice and low around 464
> (so
> > far)!!
> > There is a commission plan of 2US$ for each
> > referral!!
> 
> And this is actually the reason you are promoting
> this, you have no idea whether it is a scam or not
> do
> you?
> 
> > http://www.v-funds.net/default.asp?ref=464
> > It's FREE and once you have it , you ALWAYS have
> > a nice low number RIGHT at the start !!
> > 
> > Frank
> > Euro Gold Line Admin
> > http://www.eurogoldline.nl
> 
> Shame on you Frank! And I thought you were a
> responsible business person. 
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: Getting the Cash

2001-05-23 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Once again, eith Paul, at Ice Gold or myself at Euro
Gold Line will be able to help you

Frank
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--- Geoff Wiltshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello E-Gold people
> 
> I have a couple of concerns and thought I would air
> them here in the hope of
> some answers.
> 
> I have been asked to set up a site for a good cause,
> the cause is a little
> girl who is in dire need of an operation to
> straighten her spine. I will be
> enabling e-gold donation on the site (and I hope
> some of you will give
> generously) :-)
> 
> My concern is this, having read on this very list
> about the various problems
> that certain market makers are having can anyone
> recommend the safest way to
> get the donations made in e-gold converted to
> Sterling.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Geoff
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: Getting the CashPaul or I will be helpful

2001-05-23 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Good evening,

Paul, at Ice Gold or myself, Frank at Euro Gold Line
are very happy to help out our English cousins and do
so on a regular basis

Frank
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--- Geoff Wiltshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> >
> > Sounds good! Folks there should also know that you
> sell a nice shirt! :)
> 
> *Thanks for that Jim, glad you like the shirt, if
> anyone else want's one and
> would like a peek at our Ingrid too, go to
> www.vw-online.co.uk/htdocs/merchandise.htm or it
> might be html , I can never
> remember.
> >
> > I'd love to see a UK market maker too, the closer
> the better, but I think
> > Paul from icegold.com can do it! He's cool and has
> been around a while.
> 
> *OK , sounds good to me
> >
> > Another thing you could hopefully do is sell grams
> at a profit and slowly
> > become the market maker you seek (at least, that's
> what I want you to
> > do!). ;^)
> 
> *Gosh, gulp, lil' ole' me a Market Maker??!!, I
> don't know about that, it
> sounds intriguing though, where would I start?
> 
> Geoff
> 
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: OK, I give up

2001-05-21 Thread Frank Zuchristian


All right, I know when I'm licked.  Here's what I will
try for you Western Union buffs.

I will make arrangements to pick up late on Tuesday,
for Wednesday business.

I will make another pickup on Saurday AM for Monday
business.

Unfortunately, the orders must be addressed to:

Frank Zuchristian
Zaslaan 126
6823 GL Arnhem
The Netherlands

and must be directed to the office below:
POSTKANTOOR  
JANSPLEIN 56  
 
ARNHEM  
ARNHEM NL  
Tel: (31 ) (026 ) 3700226  
Services Offered: 

Send/Payout Money Transfer  

Please do not send it to another location, I cannot
run around to all of the locations in Arnhem.  I just
don't have the time.  Please fill out a corresponding
order form on our site and tell us in the comments
field that you are using Western Union services.

You can visit our site at:

http://www.eurogoldline.nl

It is very costly in time for us to do this (not to
mention how difficult it is to park anywhere), but to
stop the flow of inquiries, I will give it a try.

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: New program

2001-05-21 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Ordinarily Euro Gold Line will not make any
recommendations, however, we feel that this is worth a
look and then make up your own mind.
Launched today. A new payment alternative to Egold or
OS Gold.

It PAYS interest on each account!!
It's FREE to join!
The account numbers are nice and low around 464 (so
far)!!
There is a commission plan of 2US$ for each referral!!

http://www.v-funds.net/default.asp?ref=464
It's FREE and once you have it , you ALWAYS have
a nice low number RIGHT at the start !!

Frank
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FAX:  +31-26-844-0342



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[e-gold-list] Re: Euro Gold Line update

2001-05-19 Thread Frank Zuchristian


We wanted to warn our clients that Thursday, is a bank
holiday.

To answer some questions in regard to accepting
Western Union bot from our clients and posted on this
list.  The requirements for the Western Union Quick
Pay method require "Audited financial statements for
the last 2 years", unfortunately Euro Gold Line as
well as many others are immediately eliminated from
consideration.  In our case, the nearest office, would
still cause us to lose about an hour during the day in
order to pick up funds. Therefore at this time we are
not adding Western Union as a way to fund gold
accounts.  Were sorry, it's just not feasible, we are
going to talk to some merchants that are close to us
to see if we can change this.

We had an excellent week and continue to grow
steadily.  The bulk of our business has and continues
to be repeat clients, and that, we believe is a
positive measure of success.  We have had orders from
more than 30 countries, on the funding side
practically all orders are funded the same day as
funds arrive and on the redeeming side we have
significantly reduced turnaround by using
telegraphical or same day orders.

Thank you for your continued use and support of Euro
Gold Line.

Frank
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[e-gold-list] Re: Links

2001-05-15 Thread Frank Zuchristian

We were able to track our missing e-gold client down,
have completed the transaction and fax'd them the
details.

We apologize that it ended up being posted multiple
times, it seems that Yahoo is still experiencing
problems.  We changing all of our addresses as quickly
as we can. Hopefully, this will be a single posting.

Frank
Euro Gold Line Admin
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FAX:  +31-26-844-0342
http://www.eurogoldline.nl


--- Frank Zuchristian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> 
> Euro Gold Line wishes to reassure it's clients and
> prospective clients that we continue, unimpeded, in
> the srerving of our clients need with regard to
> e-gold.  Several of our clients emailed us over the
> weekend asking why we were no longer listed on the
> the
> directory, sample below published with permission
> but
> asked not to give the name.
> 
> Mr Zuchristian,
>  
> Good day Sir, maybe you can help.  I can no longer
> access your site, a friend of mine would like to
> fund
> his e-gold account.
>  
> Your site is no longer on the e-gold home page...
>  
> We belive that we have received the friend's order
> and
> it will be handled.  We are sorry for any
> inconvenience that this might cause our or e-gold's
> clients.  Our site can be located at:
> 
> http://www.eurogoldline.nl
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Frank
> Euro Gold Line Admin
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> FAX:  +31-26-844-0342
> ICQ 94782605
> http://www.eurogoldline.nl
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[e-gold-list] Re: Links

2001-05-14 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Euro Gold Line wishes to reassure it's clients and
prospective clients that we continue, unimpeded, in
the srerving of our clients need with regard to
e-gold.  Several of our clients emailed us over the
weekend asking why we were no longer listed on the the
directory, sample below published with permission but
asked not to give the name.

Mr Zuchristian,
 
Good day Sir, maybe you can help.  I can no longer
access your site, a friend of mine would like to fund
his e-gold account.
 
Your site is no longer on the e-gold home page...
 
We belive that we have received the friend's order and
it will be handled.  We are sorry for any
inconvenience that this might cause our or e-gold's
clients.  Our site can be located at:

http://www.eurogoldline.nl


Thank you,

Frank
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FAX:  +31-26-844-0342
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[e-gold-list] Re: Mr/Mrs SOMMAI THELSON

2001-05-14 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Please contact Euro Gold Line Admin  at
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We received your deposit but have no order form or
information to either complete the transaction or
contact you.

If you did not complete an order form, please do so,
we have modified the redirects to insure delivery.  We
apologize for the delay, and will fund your account as
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Thank,

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--- Ben Legume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Maybe you (and other e-gold lists) should have a
> section on suspect
> >> or known criminal MMs/scammers?
> 
> >This sounds to me like a legal liability nightmare.
> Far better to not
> >list, or at most list the distrust very explicitly
> as a *personal
> >opinion*.
> 
> 
> Not a problem, IMO. If they are scammers, good luck
> to them suing you 
> for calling them scammers. If not, provided you
> phrase the warning in 
> a factual manner and rely on FACTS and not opinion,
> hearsay, rumor 
> etc., it shouldn't be a problem.
> 
> I.E. 
> 
> A number of our customers have warned us via email
> that LegumeGold 
> Ltd has accepted payments and not provided e-gold.
> The contact 
> details given on the website appear to be bogus, and
> enquiries with 
> the Nigerian National Financial Crimes Unit indicate
> that the service 
> is being run by known scam-artists. We do not
> recommend any dealings 
> with them, and any contact should be reported to
> xxx@xx.
> 
> As opposed to
> 
> LegumeGold Ltd should be avoided. One of the
> 'company directors' 
> listed has the same middle name as a man convicted
> of cheque fraud in 
> Ohio in 1982, which is highly suspicious. The
> website is located in 
> New Zealand, which is another sure sign of fraud.
> Similarly, a 
> paranoid schitzophrenic has emailed us hundreds of
> times warning us 
> about them. Avoid avoid avoid, use ListOperatorGold
> instead.
> 
> 
> New Books at Discount Prices 
>   --- Send the right message ---
> 
> + Today freemail +   
> 
> Get your free, private email address at
>http://www.today.com.au 
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: Mr/Mrs SOMMAI THELSON

2001-05-14 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Please contact Euro Gold Line Admin at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   URGENT

We received your deposit, but have no order from you. 
There were also no instructions given on the wire.

Please contact us at the above or fill out the order
form again.  We have changed the routing on forms to
another email address.  Thank you.

Regards,

Frank,
Euro Gold Line Admin
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FAX:  +31-26-844-0342
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[e-gold-list] Re: Mr/Mrs SOMMAI THELSON

2001-05-14 Thread Frank Zuchristian


Please contact Euro Gold Line Admin at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   URGENT

We received your deposit, but have no order from you. 
There were also no instructions given on the wire.

Please contact us at the above or fill out the order
form again.  We have changed the routing on forms to
another email address.  Thank you.

Regards,

Frank,
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FAX:  +31-26-844-0342
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[e-gold-list] Re: Mr/Mrs SOMMAI THELSON

2001-05-14 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Please contact Euro Gold Line Admin  at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  URGENT.

We received your deposit but have no order form or
information to either complete the transaction or
contact you.

If you did not complete an order form, please do so,
we have modified the redirects to insure delivery.  We
apologize for the delay, and will fund your account as
soon as we hav the proper information.

Thank,

Frank
Euro Gold Line Admin
--- Ben Legume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Maybe you (and other e-gold lists) should have a
> section on suspect
> >> or known criminal MMs/scammers?
> 
> >This sounds to me like a legal liability nightmare.
> Far better to not
> >list, or at most list the distrust very explicitly
> as a *personal
> >opinion*.
> 
> 
> Not a problem, IMO. If they are scammers, good luck
> to them suing you 
> for calling them scammers. If not, provided you
> phrase the warning in 
> a factual manner and rely on FACTS and not opinion,
> hearsay, rumor 
> etc., it shouldn't be a problem.
> 
> I.E. 
> 
> A number of our customers have warned us via email
> that LegumeGold 
> Ltd has accepted payments and not provided e-gold.
> The contact 
> details given on the website appear to be bogus, and
> enquiries with 
> the Nigerian National Financial Crimes Unit indicate
> that the service 
> is being run by known scam-artists. We do not
> recommend any dealings 
> with them, and any contact should be reported to
> xxx@xx.
> 
> As opposed to
> 
> LegumeGold Ltd should be avoided. One of the
> 'company directors' 
> listed has the same middle name as a man convicted
> of cheque fraud in 
> Ohio in 1982, which is highly suspicious. The
> website is located in 
> New Zealand, which is another sure sign of fraud.
> Similarly, a 
> paranoid schitzophrenic has emailed us hundreds of
> times warning us 
> about them. Avoid avoid avoid, use ListOperatorGold
> instead.
> 
> 
> New Books at Discount Prices 
>   --- Send the right message ---
> 
> + Today freemail +   
> 
> Get your free, private email address at
>http://www.today.com.au 
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: Mr/Mrs SOMMAI THELSON

2001-05-14 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Please contact Euro Gold Line Admin  at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  URGENT.

We received your deposit but have no order form or
information to either complete the transaction or
contact you.

If you did not complete an order form, please do so,
we have modified the redirects to insure delivery.  We
apologize for the delay, and will fund your account as
soon as we hav the proper information.

Thank,

Frank
Euro Gold Line Admin
--- Ben Legume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Maybe you (and other e-gold lists) should have a
> section on suspect
> >> or known criminal MMs/scammers?
> 
> >This sounds to me like a legal liability nightmare.
> Far better to not
> >list, or at most list the distrust very explicitly
> as a *personal
> >opinion*.
> 
> 
> Not a problem, IMO. If they are scammers, good luck
> to them suing you 
> for calling them scammers. If not, provided you
> phrase the warning in 
> a factual manner and rely on FACTS and not opinion,
> hearsay, rumor 
> etc., it shouldn't be a problem.
> 
> I.E. 
> 
> A number of our customers have warned us via email
> that LegumeGold 
> Ltd has accepted payments and not provided e-gold.
> The contact 
> details given on the website appear to be bogus, and
> enquiries with 
> the Nigerian National Financial Crimes Unit indicate
> that the service 
> is being run by known scam-artists. We do not
> recommend any dealings 
> with them, and any contact should be reported to
> xxx@xx.
> 
> As opposed to
> 
> LegumeGold Ltd should be avoided. One of the
> 'company directors' 
> listed has the same middle name as a man convicted
> of cheque fraud in 
> Ohio in 1982, which is highly suspicious. The
> website is located in 
> New Zealand, which is another sure sign of fraud.
> Similarly, a 
> paranoid schitzophrenic has emailed us hundreds of
> times warning us 
> about them. Avoid avoid avoid, use ListOperatorGold
> instead.
> 
> 
> New Books at Discount Prices 
>   --- Send the right message ---
> 
> + Today freemail +   
> 
> Get your free, private email address at
>http://www.today.com.au 
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[e-gold-list] Re: Mr/Mrs SOMMAI THELSON

2001-05-14 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Please contact Euro Gold Line Admin  at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  URGENT.

We received your deposit but have no order form or
information to either complete the transaction or
contact you.

If you did not complete an order form, please do so,
we have modified the redirects to insure delivery.  We
apologize for the delay, and will fund your account as
soon as we hav the proper information.

Thank,

Frank
Euro Gold Line Admin
--- Ben Legume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Maybe you (and other e-gold lists) should have a
> section on suspect
> >> or known criminal MMs/scammers?
> 
> >This sounds to me like a legal liability nightmare.
> Far better to not
> >list, or at most list the distrust very explicitly
> as a *personal
> >opinion*.
> 
> 
> Not a problem, IMO. If they are scammers, good luck
> to them suing you 
> for calling them scammers. If not, provided you
> phrase the warning in 
> a factual manner and rely on FACTS and not opinion,
> hearsay, rumor 
> etc., it shouldn't be a problem.
> 
> I.E. 
> 
> A number of our customers have warned us via email
> that LegumeGold 
> Ltd has accepted payments and not provided e-gold.
> The contact 
> details given on the website appear to be bogus, and
> enquiries with 
> the Nigerian National Financial Crimes Unit indicate
> that the service 
> is being run by known scam-artists. We do not
> recommend any dealings 
> with them, and any contact should be reported to
> xxx@xx.
> 
> As opposed to
> 
> LegumeGold Ltd should be avoided. One of the
> 'company directors' 
> listed has the same middle name as a man convicted
> of cheque fraud in 
> Ohio in 1982, which is highly suspicious. The
> website is located in 
> New Zealand, which is another sure sign of fraud.
> Similarly, a 
> paranoid schitzophrenic has emailed us hundreds of
> times warning us 
> about them. Avoid avoid avoid, use ListOperatorGold
> instead.
> 
> 
> New Books at Discount Prices 
>   --- Send the right message ---
> 
> + Today freemail +   
> 
> Get your free, private email address at
>http://www.today.com.au 
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: Links

2001-05-11 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Up to a point, however, we all had to submit
"notarized"or in my case "lawyerized"documents at our
own costs to be approved to get on the list in the
first place. To be removed, without prior notice, in
my view (and some others that I've consulted)
constitutes a breach of contract as well as FAITH,
worsened by announcing it to this list. I for one not
only had to make changes, but in effect was forced to
give up property that I had full legal right to, these
things give us rights.

Thanks,

Frank 
Euro Gold Line Admin
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FAX:  +31-26-844-0342
http://www.eurogoldline.nl
--- Viking Coder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Eric wrote
> > What does MY *independent* website having
> information about OSGold have
> > to do with e-Gold? I do not force people to read
> about OSGOld. People 
> > have the CHOICE to follow any link they wish. 
> 
> Privately held companies run by independent
> individuals have the right to
> link, or not, to anybody they wish.
> 
> e-gold can be as authoritarian as they want when it
> involves what they put
> on their site. This is another, very important,
> reason why the eCurrency
> Association needs to be formed. The association will
> listen and act upon
> the wishes of it's members. e-gold acts upon it's
> own conclusions, and
> nobody else's. That is the whole point of a
> free-market economy.
> 
> 
> Eric,
> 
> You are a very reliable MM. I have never had any

> problems with you and you
> truly do live up to your claim of "exceptional
> customer service". If you
> decide, as you very well can, to not deal with
> e-gold anymore; so be it.
> However, I will no longer be able to use your
> services. I will not use
> OSGold.
> 
> 
> Viking Coder
> 
> Worth Two Cents?
> http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder
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[e-gold-list] Re: Public Announcement regarding OSGold links

2001-05-10 Thread Frank Zuchristian

> Well sir,
> 
> Where is your response now?  Check the other list,
the
> tide runs against you.  You have not been fair to
the
> people who support you.
> 
> Moments before I saw you posting to the very public
> list, e-gold list, and my subsequent discovery that
we
> had been removed, I received an order from
Singapore.
> Not only was it a new client for us, but also
e-gold,
> and I know it to be valid as he transmitted a copy
of
> his deposit.
> 
> I have my suspicions, as to what brought this on,
but
> it was the worst way that you could have possible
> dealt with the situation.  You have done untold harm
> to e-gold, e-commerce, gold currency as a whole.  
> 
> Further, you have, once again, sent a clear message
to
> the MM's that you don't give a ___.  Quite frankly,
> you reinforce my argument for a structure that has
> MM's on one side and exchanges on the other side.
> 
> Sir, where will you be if no MM decides to fund
e-gold
> tomorrow as a result of your action?
> 
> You keep using the excuse that you cannot judge,
well
> you just have.  Apparently, suspect scammers are OK,
> but MM's that want to provide an alternative to
their
> clients is not.  You keep saying that
> e-gold/G&Sr/Omnipay are independent, yet once again
> you have demonstrated that they are not.  Not only
is
> support for your MM's non existent it is the same
for
> your clients.  Pull your head out of your ___.
> 
> I await your response.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Frank
> Euro Gold Line Admin
> Tel:  +31-26-844-0113
> FAX:  +31-26-844-0342
> http://www.eurogoldline.nl
> 
> 
> 
> --- Reid Jackson-OP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The link to Euro Gold Line can be promptly
restored
> > (if you wish),
> > conditional on your removal of the references to
> > osgold.com from your
> > website.
> > 
> > Obviously, you are free to refrain from taking
this
> > action, as we are free
> > to refrain from linking to your site if this is
your
> > choice.
> > 
> >  - Reid -
> > 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Zuchristian Frank
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:44 PM
> > > To: AGIO Discuss
> > > Subject: [agio-discuss] Re: Fw: [e-gold-list]
New
> > Site 
> > > accepts e-gold -
> > > Beta Launch
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Good evening Mr. Jackson,
> > > 
> > > I find a number of things wrong with your
> > unilateral
> > > decision to remove Euro Gold Line from your list
> > on
> > > the e-gold site.
> > > 
> > > 1).  First of all, I can forward an email from
Mr.
> > Ray
> > > who stated that had it been up to him we would
> > have
> > > been listed weeks prior.
> > 
> > [...]
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--- Frank Zuchristian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Euro Gold Line reacted to the requests of our
> clients,
> in fact it is our intention to service, for the
> benefit of our clients any gold, e-currency that OUR
> clients choose, without our comment on the validity
> on
> them.  Our service is to our clients and NOT to the
> exchanges, we do not compromise our client's wishes
> to
> anybody, nor do we tout or recommend one above the
> other.
> 
> However, as this has become part of the public
> record,
> let us state that we have forwarded complaints of
> our
> customer's, in the past, only to be met with
> silence. 
> Failure to take action can and will be perceived as
> condoning, take heed.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Frank
> Euro Gold Line Admin
> Tel:  +31-26-844-0113
> FAX:  +31-26844-0342
> http://www.eurogoldline.nl
> --- Viking Coder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Sounds more like e-Gold, Ltd. is getting
> > nervous about the amount of
> > > business that  OSGold is starting to transact.  
> > 
> > Not

[e-gold-list] Re: Public Announcement regarding OSGold links

2001-05-10 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Euro Gold Line reacted to the requests of our clients,
in fact it is our intention to service, for the
benefit of our clients any gold, e-currency that OUR
clients choose, without our comment on the validity on
them.  Our service is to our clients and NOT to the
exchanges, we do not compromise our client's wishes to
anybody, nor do we tout or recommend one above the
other.

However, as this has become part of the public record,
let us state that we have forwarded complaints of our
customer's, in the past, only to be met with silence. 
Failure to take action can and will be perceived as
condoning, take heed.

Thanks,

Frank
Euro Gold Line Admin
Tel:  +31-26-844-0113
FAX:  +31-26844-0342
http://www.eurogoldline.nl
--- Viking Coder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sounds more like e-Gold, Ltd. is getting
> nervous about the amount of
> > business that  OSGold is starting to transact.  
> 
> Not neccesarily...
> 
> Notice that they didn't say GoldMoney, or 3PGold
> (which isn't a currency),
> they specifically said OSGold.
> 
> 
> > It has been pointed out on a number of occasions
> by a few members of the G&SR
> > administration and Discussion List subscribers
> that OSGold is not a serious
> > competitor, I think the adjectives "scam" or
> "joke" may have even thrown out.
> > IF it is to be taken so lightly, why have you
> reacted with the force of a
> > double barrel shot gun blast to the oral cavity of
> the cranium?  
> 
> So that they won't be perceived to be associated
> with it, and will have
> officially distanced themselves from it.
> 
> I, being a indepedant mind, agree with this action
> that they have taken. I
> also agree with Eric that they were a little abrupt
> in taking it.
> 
> 
> Viking Coder
> 
> Worth Two Cents?
> http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder
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[e-gold-list] Re: Public Announcement regarding OSGold links

2001-05-10 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Good evening,

Now that this has started on the e-gold list, there is
discussion on the list resevered for MM's.  Mr.
Jackson stated that if I removed OSGold that I would
be re-instated on thei directory.  This is my
response:

> Good evening Mr. Jackson,
> 
> I suggest that you read the documents that we very
> expensively had to send you, and slso made legal in
> Holland.  Your document does not restrain me from
> doing business with anyone else.
> 
> Not only are you infriging on my rights, as well as
> restraint of free trade and discrimination, but also
> you are in breach of your own agreement, both verbal
> and written.
> 
> It is now almost 9PM here, I will remain available
for
> a short time, yet.  However, I have already had this
> discussion with my lawyers, bank, Kvk (Chamber of
> Commerce and the legal registrations of companies in
> Holland), ISP, registrtar of domain names and my
> webmaster.
> 
> I will tell you this, if I am not on the e-gold list
I
> will take action in the morning and ask the support
of
> all of the parties.  It was fine to be threatened,
for
> a situation that I sent a private message to avoid,
> only to have it aired publicly and for your
> organization to avoid my legal rights and side with
> someone else.  I have complied even to the minutest
> change, but I WILL not accept this.
> 
> I am being barraged with telephone calls as to what
is
> going on.  I have a major client who is telling me
> that he will recommend OSGold in favor of e-gold,
> because he saw it on the e-gold list, but he still
> want to use our services in spite of e-golds
actions.
> 
> I have been notified, by another major client, for
the
> second time, that he will not grant my meeting with
> him.  This was postponed the first time as we were
not
> on your list.  This client is the subsidiary of a
> WORLD top 25 copmpany and represents millions of
> dollars of business for e-gold and myself.  Thank
you
> very much Mr. Jackson.(By the way, if we are not
back
> on the list, you will get the bill for lost
business,
> you should not that in the USA that this is a normal
> legal action)  You have not only done a disservice
to
> gold currency you have hurt my pocketbook, deeply
and
> I will retaliate.
> 
> We have worked too hard, to receive and fullfill
order
> for E-GOLD from more than 25 countries to have you
> take this attitude and action.  Again, sir, if we
are
> not on the list by tomorrow morning we will not only
> take action but ask all of the parties connected
with
> us to join us in that action.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> frank
> Euro Gold Line Admin
> tel:  +31-26-844-0113
> FAX:  +31-26-844-0342
> http://www.eurogoldline.nl

--- Frank Zuchristian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Euro Gold Line can still be found at 
> http://www.eurogoldline.nl
> 
> What you have done is issued a solid blow to the
> integrity of e-gold, not to anyone else.
> 
> Quite frankly, I hope that the MM's that remain on
> your list will tell that also.  You brought this on
> a
> list for the world to see without prior notification
> to anyone concerned, when you had the opportunity to
> do so.  Thank you for your support, where are you
> when
> we need YOU?
> 
> Frank
> Euro Gold Line Admin

> tel:  +31-26-844-0113
> FAX:  -31-26-844-0342
> --- "Eric J. Gaither" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Reid,
> > 
> > (snip)
> > > We do not wish to be associated, even
> indirectly,
> > with osgold.com;
> > > therefore, we have removed all links from the
> > e-gold website to websites
> > > that link or make reference to osgold.com.
> > (end snip)
> > 
> >Your actions seem rather hasty, in my modest
> > (unsolicited) opinion.
> > Omnipay has once again made a rather major policy
> > change without the
> > courtesy of informing the Market Makers before
> > implementation.  While I do
> > realize that e-Gold, Ltd., G&SR (dba Omnipay) can
> > (and frequently do) make
> > any decision they please and  implement them with
> > lightening speed, this
> > type of inconsideration for the companies that
> allow
> > the general public INTO
> > the e-gold system does little to promote a
> > cooperative effort.  I
> > specifically remember hearing discussion of
> e-Gold,
> > Ltd. and G&SR (Omnipay)
> > giving Market Makers 30 days notice BEFORE such
> > major policy changes would
> > be put into effect at the Indian River Summit
> hosted
> > by G&SR on Oct. of
> > 2000.   Now, this may have only been "talk" at the
> > time, but I (speaki

[e-gold-list] Re: Public Announcement regarding OSGold links

2001-05-10 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Good evening,

Now that this has started on the e-gold list, there is
discussion on the list resevered for MM's.  Mr.
Jackson stated that if I removed OSGold that I would
be re-instated on thei directory.  This is my
response:

> Good evening Mr. Jackson,
> 
> I suggest that you read the documents that we very
> expensively had to send you, and slso made legal in
> Holland.  Your document does not restrain me from
> doing business with anyone else.
> 
> Not only are you infriging on my rights, as well as
> restraint of free trade and discrimination, but also
> you are in breach of your own agreement, both verbal
> and written.
> 
> It is now almost 9PM here, I will remain available
for
> a short time, yet.  However, I have already had this
> discussion with my lawyers, bank, Kvk (Chamber of
> Commerce and the legal registrations of companies in
> Holland), ISP, registrtar of domain names and my
> webmaster.
> 
> I will tell you this, if I am not on the e-gold list
I
> will take action in the morning and ask the support
of
> all of the parties.  It was fine to be threatened,
for
> a situation that I sent a private message to avoid,
> only to have it aired publicly and for your
> organization to avoid my legal rights and side with
> someone else.  I have complied even to the minutest
> change, but I WILL not accept this.
> 
> I am being barraged with telephone calls as to what
is
> going on.  I have a major client who is telling me
> that he will recommend OSGold in favor of e-gold,
> because he saw it on the e-gold list, but he still
> want to use our services in spite of e-golds
actions.
> 
> I have been notified, by another major client, for
the
> second time, that he will not grant my meeting with
> him.  This was postponed the first time as we were
not
> on your list.  This client is the subsidiary of a
> WORLD top 25 copmpany and represents millions of
> dollars of business for e-gold and myself.  Thank
you
> very much Mr. Jackson.(By the way, if we are not
back
> on the list, you will get the bill for lost
business,
> you should not that in the USA that this is a normal
> legal action)  You have not only done a disservice
to
> gold currency you have hurt my pocketbook, deeply
and
> I will retaliate.
> 
> We have worked too hard, to receive and fullfill
order
> for E-GOLD from more than 25 countries to have you
> take this attitude and action.  Again, sir, if we
are
> not on the list by tomorrow morning we will not only
> take action but ask all of the parties connected
with
> us to join us in that action.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> frank
> Euro Gold Line Admin
> tel:  +31-26-844-0113
> FAX:  +31-26-844-0342
> http://www.eurogoldline.nl

--- Frank Zuchristian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Euro Gold Line can still be found at 
> http://www.eurogoldline.nl
> 
> What you have done is issued a solid blow to the
> integrity of e-gold, not to anyone else.
> 
> Quite frankly, I hope that the MM's that remain on
> your list will tell that also.  You brought this on
> a
> list for the world to see without prior notification
> to anyone concerned, when you had the opportunity to
> do so.  Thank you for your support, where are you
> when
> we need YOU?
> 
> Frank
> Euro Gold Line Admin

> tel:  +31-26-844-0113
> FAX:  -31-26-844-0342
> --- "Eric J. Gaither" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Reid,
> > 
> > (snip)
> > > We do not wish to be associated, even
> indirectly,
> > with osgold.com;
> > > therefore, we have removed all links from the
> > e-gold website to websites
> > > that link or make reference to osgold.com.
> > (end snip)
> > 
> >Your actions seem rather hasty, in my modest
> > (unsolicited) opinion.
> > Omnipay has once again made a rather major policy
> > change without the
> > courtesy of informing the Market Makers before
> > implementation.  While I do
> > realize that e-Gold, Ltd., G&SR (dba Omnipay) can
> > (and frequently do) make
> > any decision they please and  implement them with
> > lightening speed, this
> > type of inconsideration for the companies that
> allow
> > the general public INTO
> > the e-gold system does little to promote a
> > cooperative effort.  I
> > specifically remember hearing discussion of
> e-Gold,
> > Ltd. and G&SR (Omnipay)
> > giving Market Makers 30 days notice BEFORE such
> > major policy changes would
> > be put into effect at the Indian River Summit
> hosted
> > by G&SR on Oct. of
> > 2000.   Now, this may have only been "talk" at the
> > time, but I (speaki

[e-gold-list] Re: Public Announcement regarding OSGold links

2001-05-10 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Euro Gold Line can still be found at 
http://www.eurogoldline.nl

What you have done is issued a solid blow to the
integrity of e-gold, not to anyone else.

Quite frankly, I hope that the MM's that remain on
your list will tell that also.  You brought this on a
list for the world to see without prior notification
to anyone concerned, when you had the opportunity to
do so.  Thank you for your support, where are you when
we need YOU?

Frank
Euro Gold Line Admin
tel:  +31-26-844-0113
FAX:  -31-26-844-0342
--- "Eric J. Gaither" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Reid,
> 
> (snip)
> > We do not wish to be associated, even indirectly,
> with osgold.com;
> > therefore, we have removed all links from the
> e-gold website to websites
> > that link or make reference to osgold.com.
> (end snip)
> 
>Your actions seem rather hasty, in my modest
> (unsolicited) opinion.
> Omnipay has once again made a rather major policy
> change without the
> courtesy of informing the Market Makers before
> implementation.  While I do
> realize that e-Gold, Ltd., G&SR (dba Omnipay) can
> (and frequently do) make
> any decision they please and  implement them with
> lightening speed, this
> type of inconsideration for the companies that allow
> the general public INTO
> the e-gold system does little to promote a
> cooperative effort.  I
> specifically remember hearing discussion of e-Gold,
> Ltd. and G&SR (Omnipay)
> giving Market Makers 30 days notice BEFORE such
> major policy changes would
> be put into effect at the Indian River Summit hosted
> by G&SR on Oct. of
> 2000.   Now, this may have only been "talk" at the
> time, but I (speaking for
> myself, no one else) was under the impression this
> was going to be carried
> out.  It appears, sadly enough, this was just "talk"
> and not policy after
> all. Is/Was anything mentioned in the "circle chair
> discussion" to be
> believed by the Market Makers?
> 
> While e-Gold, Ltd. may have issues with
> competing currencies such as
> OSGold, GoldMoney and Standard Reserve, will e-Gold,
> Ltd. or G&SR (dba
> Omnipay) always strive to stifle the growth of the
> overall Gold Economy by
> censoring the information that is directly available
> to e-gold users?  By
> eliminating all links to websites that make
> reference to OSGold, you have
> effectively eliminated the choices that new e-gold
> users have in choosing a
> Market Maker which best fits their specific needs. 
> Outside of eliminating
> the "mentioning OSGold" on such websites...what
> possible positive results
> could materialize from removing links to the MAJOR
> e-gold Market Makers from
> the Directory?  Business Express, Gold Now, Git-Gold
> and Gaithmans Gold
> Nation, Inc. (just the ones I immediately noticed)
> are four of the top
> services which provide InExchange and OutExchange
> services for YOUR client
> base.  You are effectively telling YOUR clients you
> have the right to
> control what information THEY can and cannot view by
> REACTING in such a
> fashion.  Is e-Gold, Ltd. really the ONLY
> gold-backed, digital currency
> available to the Gold Economy population?  No, it is
> not.  It was the first,
> but not the last.  Will you next eliminate the links
> to those services who
> whisper the good name of Standard Reserve gold as
> well?  How about
> GoldMoney?  3PGold?  e-Bullion?  Is it really in the
> best interest of e-gold
> users to be told that e-gold is the ONLY gold
> currency? Uhm..please explain
> why again it effects e-Gold, Ltd. if a website
> contains information on
> multiple currencies?  Seems to me that is in the
> best interest of the
> clients and customers, am I incorrect in that
> assumption?
> 
> I have been perplexed over the past year as to
> how something that was
> working so efficiently last August (e-gold and
> Market Maker relationships)
> deteriorated so quickly into an "US vs. THEM"
> mentality.  The IR S seemed to
> add fuel to the fire rather than promote the
> cohesion of said relationships.
> Promises or "talks" made at the conference
> continuously get broken.
> Requests for simple information from the Market
> Makers gets ignored.  (I am
> still waiting just to hear from you about the
> requirements for gold purchase
> amounts of MM's that I asked several days ago.) 
> Shifts in InExchange
> requirements are announced without informing the
> MM's a few weeks ago.  Now,
> we wake up to find out that e-gold does not want to
> be associated with
> OSGold (cool, so don't be...no big deal) so they
> have terminated links to
> the MM's who DO want to be associated with OSGold. 
> This kind of reminds me
> of the way my nephew dislikes sharing his Tonka Toy
> dump truck with my
> niece, so he hides it under the bed when she wakes
> from her naps!
> 
> Communication is normally comprised of a two way
> channel.  I can see
> something like:
> 
> "Hello, we have concluded that we do have some
> issues with another gold
> currency that some of you also work with.  We feel
> t

[e-gold-list] Re: Public Announcement regarding OSGold links

2001-05-10 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Euro Gold Line can still be found at 
http://www.eurogoldline.nl

What you have done is issued a solid blow to the
integrity of e-gold, not to anyone else.

Quite frankly, I hope that the MM's that remain on
your list will tell that also.  You brought this on a
list for the world to see without prior notification
to anyone concerned, when you had the opportunity to
do so.  Thank you for your support, where are you when
we need YOU?

Frank
Euro Gold Line Admin
tel:  +31-26-844-0113
FAX:  -31-26-844-0342
--- "Eric J. Gaither" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Reid,
> 
> (snip)
> > We do not wish to be associated, even indirectly,
> with osgold.com;
> > therefore, we have removed all links from the
> e-gold website to websites
> > that link or make reference to osgold.com.
> (end snip)
> 
>Your actions seem rather hasty, in my modest
> (unsolicited) opinion.
> Omnipay has once again made a rather major policy
> change without the
> courtesy of informing the Market Makers before
> implementation.  While I do
> realize that e-Gold, Ltd., G&SR (dba Omnipay) can
> (and frequently do) make
> any decision they please and  implement them with
> lightening speed, this
> type of inconsideration for the companies that allow
> the general public INTO
> the e-gold system does little to promote a
> cooperative effort.  I
> specifically remember hearing discussion of e-Gold,
> Ltd. and G&SR (Omnipay)
> giving Market Makers 30 days notice BEFORE such
> major policy changes would
> be put into effect at the Indian River Summit hosted
> by G&SR on Oct. of
> 2000.   Now, this may have only been "talk" at the
> time, but I (speaking for
> myself, no one else) was under the impression this
> was going to be carried
> out.  It appears, sadly enough, this was just "talk"
> and not policy after
> all. Is/Was anything mentioned in the "circle chair
> discussion" to be
> believed by the Market Makers?
> 
> While e-Gold, Ltd. may have issues with
> competing currencies such as
> OSGold, GoldMoney and Standard Reserve, will e-Gold,
> Ltd. or G&SR (dba
> Omnipay) always strive to stifle the growth of the
> overall Gold Economy by
> censoring the information that is directly available
> to e-gold users?  By
> eliminating all links to websites that make
> reference to OSGold, you have
> effectively eliminated the choices that new e-gold
> users have in choosing a
> Market Maker which best fits their specific needs. 
> Outside of eliminating
> the "mentioning OSGold" on such websites...what
> possible positive results
> could materialize from removing links to the MAJOR
> e-gold Market Makers from
> the Directory?  Business Express, Gold Now, Git-Gold
> and Gaithmans Gold
> Nation, Inc. (just the ones I immediately noticed)
> are four of the top
> services which provide InExchange and OutExchange
> services for YOUR client
> base.  You are effectively telling YOUR clients you
> have the right to
> control what information THEY can and cannot view by
> REACTING in such a
> fashion.  Is e-Gold, Ltd. really the ONLY
> gold-backed, digital currency
> available to the Gold Economy population?  No, it is
> not.  It was the first,
> but not the last.  Will you next eliminate the links
> to those services who
> whisper the good name of Standard Reserve gold as
> well?  How about
> GoldMoney?  3PGold?  e-Bullion?  Is it really in the
> best interest of e-gold
> users to be told that e-gold is the ONLY gold
> currency? Uhm..please explain
> why again it effects e-Gold, Ltd. if a website
> contains information on
> multiple currencies?  Seems to me that is in the
> best interest of the
> clients and customers, am I incorrect in that
> assumption?
> 
> I have been perplexed over the past year as to
> how something that was
> working so efficiently last August (e-gold and
> Market Maker relationships)
> deteriorated so quickly into an "US vs. THEM"
> mentality.  The IR S seemed to
> add fuel to the fire rather than promote the
> cohesion of said relationships.
> Promises or "talks" made at the conference
> continuously get broken.
> Requests for simple information from the Market
> Makers gets ignored.  (I am
> still waiting just to hear from you about the
> requirements for gold purchase
> amounts of MM's that I asked several days ago.) 
> Shifts in InExchange
> requirements are announced without informing the
> MM's a few weeks ago.  Now,
> we wake up to find out that e-gold does not want to
> be associated with
> OSGold (cool, so don't be...no big deal) so they
> have terminated links to
> the MM's who DO want to be associated with OSGold. 
> This kind of reminds me
> of the way my nephew dislikes sharing his Tonka Toy
> dump truck with my
> niece, so he hides it under the bed when she wakes
> from her naps!
> 
> Communication is normally comprised of a two way
> channel.  I can see
> something like:
> 
> "Hello, we have concluded that we do have some
> issues with another gold
> currency that some of you also work with.  We feel
> t

[e-gold-list] Re: Public Announcement regarding OSGold links

2001-05-10 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Good evening Mr. Jackson,

I find a number of things wrong with your unilateral
decision to remove Euro Gold Line from your list on
the e-gold site.

1).  First of all, I can forward an email from Mr. Ray
who stated that had it been up to him we would have
been listed weeks prior.

2).  Second of all you gave no notice of your
intentions to do so.

3).  Thirdly, It took me three emails, with the last
copied to Mr. Ray just to add fax to the listing.

4).  Are you prepared to remit all costs associated in
getting on the list at all?

5).  Your organization, e-gold/G&SR/Omnipay refused to
add me to the site, originally, due to a conflict with
Mr. Kelly, which he made public as a result of my
offer to preclude that problem.  The names, domains
etc. that I held LEGALLY and PROPERLY according to the
law of the Netherlands, registrars of domains were
changed at my costs.  The last was a one word change
to the site which was irrelavent, but I made it
anyway.

6).  I consider your action to be an attempt to
restrain free trade.  I have never publicly critized
your organization, but feel compelled to do so now. 
On several occassions I have contacted your
organization regarding possible fraudelent activity. 
I have either had NO RESPONSE or a lecture without any
action.

7).  Where in your agreements, does it state that I
can do business with no one else?  You sir, have
breached the agreement, not we.

8).  Unless this is reversed immediately and we are
added back to your page, I will seek actions via the
European organizations for restraint of free trade.
My lawyer, which I contacted already as a result of
this, is in full agreement with me. Don't forget he
also read the agreement before I returned it signed to
you.
You chose to announce this in this list which is
available to everyone, after you had already taken
action.  I suggest you read the announcement below and
take note, that that is far more than I have ever
received from your organization, which I have
supported for the benfit of my clients, without any
support from your organization.  I do not tell my
clients what or who they should or should not
purchase.

>Wednesday, May 09, 2001
>
>Good morning Frank Zuchristian,
>
>It is with great pleasure that I welcome you to
OSGold as an approved 
>Exchange Service Provider (ESP). As you know, OSGold
takes great pride 
in 

>offering a quality product along with outstanding
customer service. 
Euro 
>Gold Line is one of the most highly respected
exchange providers in 
all of 
>Europe, known for it's fast and courteous service.
>
>OSGold.com is an International Offshore Gold Storage
and Payment 
System, 
>which launched two short months ago. Membership has
grown at a 
tremendous 
>rate and now exceeds 15,000. Plans to include safe
guaranteed 
investments 
>and World Gold News coupled with a customer service
response time of 
only 
>3.5 hours, will only serve to enhance the appeal of
the financial 
security 
>offered by the OSGold community.
>
>I would like to, once again, welcome you. We look
forward to a long 
and 
>prosperous relationship with you at Euro Gold Line.
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Chris Crowley
>OSGold ESP Liaison

The lack of e-gold's responsiveness when a client has
been frauded has always been of great concern to me,
as it could be interpreted that e-gold supports the
frauds for their own gain.  I have always tempered
that with the problems involved.  However, I received
a notice from OSGold today, regarding two accounts
under investigation, when has e-gold ever done that?

Sir, you are cutting your nose to spite your face, it
is the MM's whose necks are on the line, particularly
with your detached attidtude, do you think that you
have done e-gold any good in this?

I will forward my cost to you, in filing, name changes
etc. I will also forward all of this to the
appropriate authorities in Europe and Holland, unless
you rethink your policy very quickly.

I am also afraid, for your sake, that a lot of people,
after reading this message, including MM's, might
think that you are a company too spiteful to do
business with.

Also, if you would have bathered at all  too look a
bit more closely to our pages, you would have noticed
that on each and every page, e-gold is always the
first one mentioned. Have you ever heard of thinking
before doing

We run a service for the benefit and needs of our
clients, which we will satisfy, and we thought you did
so as well.

We will include our loss of business in the claims we
are going to put in against your company. Perhaps you
have no business being on the World Wide Net.

Thank you for helping us open up Europe for e-gold and
gold currencies.

Regards,

Frank
Euro Gold Line Admin
Tel:  +31-26-844-0113
FAX:  +31-26-844-0342
ICQ 94782605
--- Reid Jackson-EG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We do not wish to be associated, even indirectly,
> with osgold.c

[e-gold-list] Re: Heap Of Gold Refunding?

2001-05-05 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Good morning,

Euro Gold Line expresses it's regret to Lim, and worse
that it should have happened to her twice.  E-gold is
a sound program and the majority (I would liked to
have said all)of the MM's are very aware of their
financial responsibilities to their clients.  We hope
that these two will step up to their responsibility.

Euro Gold Line takes their financial responsibility
very seriously, we include a link to the KvK (Dutch
Chamber of Commerce).  Not only can you independently
verify our information, but also you can file a
complaint (hopefully you never will have to). The KvK
is the licensing body and any complaint will be acted
upon.  Failure to resolve any complaint on our part
can and will result in the loss of our license, tax
number and providor, effectively putting us out of
business.  Their site is in English, as well.  We put
this link on VOLUNTARILY to demonstrate to our Dutch
and worldwide clients of how we intend to do business.

Eurogoldline accepts all currencies, subject to your
local restrictions, without charging for that
conversion.  During the month of April, all funding of
accounts was accomplished the same day funds were
received.  We accept only bank to bank transfers or
bankwires.  Bank to bank transfers are the safest,
fastest, and most economical means to transfer funds,
outside of the ecurrency systems.

All of our processing is done via offline computer,
all emails are removed from our online system, for
security reasons.  Each transaction is unique, we do
not keep client information, however, you may
voluntarily join our private forum at Yahoo groups. 
We regularily test our online system to insure that
it's integrity has not been compromised, we post
information to our group as to how to protect
themselves, virus warnings, general gold related
issues, and our services.  We do not promote or give
advise on any programs, so don't ask.

Now you can reach our office 24 hours and 7 days a
week with either voicemail or FAX.  Our telephone is
+31-26-844-0113 and our FAX is +31-26-844-0342.

We have many enhancements that are in the works, and
are always open to suggestions.

Again, we hope that these people will make
arrangements with you, and reiterate that there is
nothing wrong with the program or the majority of the
people involved with it.

Frank
Euro Gold Line Admin
ICQ 94782605
http://www.eurogoldline.nl 
--- Michael Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lim,
> 
> 
> I am sorry to hear about your difficulties with Heap
> of Gold and Flat Rate
> Gold.
> 
> Currently being formed is a new Association which
> will ensure accreditation
> of Market Makers for the security and safety of
> clients.
> 
> In order to join the Association Market Makers will
> need to meet an
> acceptable standard of business practice and this
> will be displayed on a
> site accessible to existing as well as potential
> customers and clients.
> Also Market Makers who have shown to pass the
> requirements of acceptability
> will display an accreditation seal on their site to
> show that they meet the
> standards required and can be trusted.  Those that
> do not qualify of course
> will not be able to display the accreditation seal. 
> You will also be able
> to compare those that display the seal with the
> official list on the
> Association's web site or, alternatively, select
> from the Association's web
> site the Market Maker that suits you.
> 
> This will be better than any list,  which of course
> is no guarantee at all
> of the veracity of the Market Maker on the list.
> 
> The Association will be officially announced in the
> coming weeks here so I
> recommend you stay tuned.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.gold-today.com
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goldtoday
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lim Ka Seong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "e-gold Discussion"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 12:46 AM
> Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Heap Of Gold Refunding?
> 
> 
> > What can we do about this? Both Heap Of Gold and
> Flat Rate Gold was
> > officially listed on E-Gold website. I also do
> funding 3 times in my short
> > life of using E-Gold. The first with Flat Rate
> Gold, $1300 taken without
> > any repy. Second with Heap Of Gold for $775 - OK.
> The 3rd time with Heap
> > of Gold again and this time no news from them with
> my $1075 funding. It
> > seems that E-Gold is E-Ghost to me!!! Look at how
> much I lost from
> > believing what was once listed in E-Gold's website
> !
> >
> > Here is the "E-Ghost" most recent reply when I try
> to ask them about these
> > 2 companies:
> >
> > > Begining Of Attachment --
> > Subject: RE: [e-gold-service] RE: E-Gold Funding
> > To: Lim Ka Seong & Cheah Siew Mee
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: Service EG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> > They are separate companies from us and so we
> don't have much more
> > information than that.
> >
> > e-gold Service
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Lim Ka Seon

[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold's security WORKS,so did ours

2001-04-28 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Last evening several of our clients called us, stating
that they were unable to access the e-gold site.  Our
webmaster, and I immmediately went to investigate.  

When we were able to get into the e-gold site, we
discovered that an attempt had been made to access our
account.  IT FAILED.

E-gold's security system WORKS, ours did too. 
However, though pleased, we are and will continue all
efforts to make sure that it stays that way.  We
notified our clients, even though there was no cause
for alarm, as this is the type of relationship we want
with our clients.

We cannot overemphasize our confidence in the security
that e-gold has put in place for the protection of
their account holders.  We subsequently received
emails, purporting to come from e-gold, stating our
account had been closed due to fraud and for us to
submit our number and passphrase (put in bad english).
 We also recognized them to be phony and contacted
e-gold. All of the information that we have gathered
in connection with this attempt has been forwarded to
e-gold, which again was very concerned and supportive.

Further, we are arranging to forward all of this
information to the Dutch unit, of the authorities,
that investigates internet crime.  This is in keeping
with our stated policy.

Do not store your passphrase in your computer

Delete pages, particularily after accessing critical
accounts

Windows users, use the Microsoft utility to delete
temporary files and pages from your disk

See the first posting for additional links to aid you
in protecting yourself from hackers, scammers and
frauds.

NEVER, NEVER respond to an email that asks for your
passphrase.  E-gold does not do this, if you look
carefully at the email address that they are asking
you to respond to, you will see e-qold rather than
e-gold.  This is difficult to see, particularily with
the underlining, as long as you remember that any
request for your passphrase is phony you won't get
caught with your guard down.

Remember it is your responsibility to safeguard your
passphrase


--- Ben Legume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Or maybe someone entered their password to your
> account number (I've 
> made this mistake occasionally). That doesn't
> therefore follow that 
> it was an attempt to hack the password. 
> 
> #1 Did you lose any funds?
> 
> #2 How many times did they try your password? Once =
> someone made a 
> mistake. Twice = ?coincidence 3+ maybe someone is
> trying to break in. 
> As long as your password is reasonably complicated,
> you don't have 
> much to worry about.
> 
> If you're really worried, keep most of your gold in
> a 'private' e-
> gold account you don't tell anyone the number to,
> and use your normal 
> account to pay out and take payments to the public?
> 
> 
> New Books at Discount Prices 
>   --- Send the right message ---
> 
> + Today freemail +   
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: Recent scams/Their ISP refuses

2001-04-28 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Their ISP refuses to shut them down.  We called them
from the Netherlands, the server refuses to shut them
down.  We are dependent for those in the US, ie
e-gold/G&SR/Omnipay to do something.  I think that as
the providor refuses to listen that action should be
taken against them.  We have forwarded it to the
authorities, here in the Netherlands, but obviously,
as it is cross border, they cannot react that fast.

here is the information:


 Make an offer to get this domain -- or have it
appraised to see its value.  


Registrant:
furlan,giacomo (EQOLD-DOM)
   via delle betulle 42
   bruino, TO 10090
   IT

   Domain Name: E-QOLD.COM

   Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
  furlan, giacomo  (XX80089)  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  furlan,giacomo
  via delle betulle 42
  bruino, TO  10090
  IT
  011 9087476 123 123 1234
   Technical Contact:
  WorldNIC Name Host  (HOST-ORG) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Network Solutions, Inc.
  505 Huntmar Park Drive
  Herndon, VA 20170-5142
  1-888-642-9675

   Record last updated on 08-Apr-2001.
   Record expires on 08-Apr-2002.
   Record created on 08-Apr-2001.
   Database last updated on 28-Apr-2001 00:17:00 EDT.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS96.WORLDNIC.COM216.168.225.236
   NS95.WORLDNIC.COM216.168.225.235


 
Thanks,

EuroGoldLine Admin
--- "C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On 28 Apr 2001, at 13:57, Tristan Petersen wrote:
> 
> > Hello all,
> > I would like to suggest to e-gold that they block
> the IP address of the
> > scammer running the e-qold site, as they are
> linking to e-gold's server
> > for all links, pictures, etc. This is a complete
> waste of resources, ban
> > these idiots at once. Or better yet, put spoof
> pictures in place when you
> > receive a link from them, with the pictures saying
> something like
> > "scammer site, beware"!
> 
> Excellent suggestion, Tristan. The problem is that
> G&SR is very 
> slow reacting to the situation. This site scam site
> has been up for 
> weeks.
> 
> 
> Claude
> 
> http://www.goldcurrencies.ca
> http://www.ormetal.com
> ==
> Claude Cormier Public Key
> http://www.ormetal.com/PGPkey.html
> ==
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: Recent scams/this is what we have found

2001-04-28 Thread Frank Zuchristian

We have called their ISP provider, in the US, who
states that they will not remove them for insufficient
proof.  I suggest that all of the US subscribors
report them to the local law, national etc.
authorities.  We offered to forward the emails and
other information to them, after spending more than an
hour, from Holland, on the telephone.  They refused.
Here is the information that our ISP providor got fur
us:



 Make an offer to get this domain -- or have it
appraised to see its value.  


Registrant:
furlan,giacomo (EQOLD-DOM)
   via delle betulle 42
   bruino, TO 10090
   IT

   Domain Name: E-QOLD.COM

   Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
  furlan, giacomo  (XX80089)  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  furlan,giacomo
  via delle betulle 42
  bruino, TO  10090
  IT
  011 9087476 123 123 1234
   Technical Contact:
  WorldNIC Name Host  (HOST-ORG) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Network Solutions, Inc.
  505 Huntmar Park Drive
  Herndon, VA 20170-5142
  1-888-642-9675

   Record last updated on 08-Apr-2001.
   Record expires on 08-Apr-2002.
   Record created on 08-Apr-2001.
   Database last updated on 28-Apr-2001 00:17:00 EDT.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS96.WORLDNIC.COM216.168.225.236
   NS95.WORLDNIC.COM216.168.225.235


 
In the Netherlands, the ISP providor checks all
information, the telephone provided is obviously
phony.  We have had too many ripoffs from this guy, if
we can't get him, then let's get the providor who
doesn't seem to want to take action.


Frank

EuroGoldLine Admin--- Tristan Petersen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all,
> I would like to suggest to e-gold that they block
> the IP address of the
> scammer running the e-qold site, as they are linking
> to e-gold's server
> for all links, pictures, etc. This is a complete
> waste of resources, ban
> these idiots at once. Or better yet, put spoof
> pictures in place when you
> receive a link from them, with the pictures saying
> something like
> "scammer site, beware"!
> 
> Thanks,
> Tristan
> 
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: Scam postings/they just tried with us

2001-04-28 Thread Frank Zuchristian

We have captured the following information, regarding
this one.  We are activly working with our ISP to
trace them.


 Make an offer to get this domain -- or have it
appraised to see its value.  


Registrant:
furlan,giacomo (EQOLD-DOM)
   via delle betulle 42
   bruino, TO 10090
   IT

   Domain Name: E-QOLD.COM

   Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
  furlan, giacomo  (XX80089)  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  furlan,giacomo
  via delle betulle 42
  bruino, TO  10090
  IT
  011 9087476 123 123 1234
   Technical Contact:
  WorldNIC Name Host  (HOST-ORG) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Network Solutions, Inc.
  505 Huntmar Park Drive
  Herndon, VA 20170-5142
  1-888-642-9675

   Record last updated on 08-Apr-2001.
   Record expires on 08-Apr-2002.
   Record created on 08-Apr-2001.
   Database last updated on 28-Apr-2001 00:17:00 EDT.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS96.WORLDNIC.COM216.168.225.236
   NS95.WORLDNIC.COM216.168.225.235


 
Frank
EuroGoldLine Admin
--- Elwyn Jenkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE UNLOCK. THIS IS NOT E-GOLD.
> THIS IS E-QOLD - A SCAM.
> This is a spoof site: www.e-gold.com is the correct
> one. If you go
> and unlock on this site you will be revealing your
> real password
> and the scammers will get in to your account.
> 
> ej
> ++
> 
> 
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Frank
> >Zuchristian
> >Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 12:57 PM
> >To: e-gold Discussion
> >Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Scam postings/they just
> tried with us
> >
> >
> >ATTENTION EVERYBODY, AN ATTEMPT HAS JUST BEEN TRIED
> TO
> >HACK INTO OUR ACCOUNT.  WE HAVE CUT AND PASTED THE
> >INFORMATION BELOW.  WE ALSO HAVE CAPTURED THE URL
> FROM
> >THE ATTEMPT.
> >
> >--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Your E-GOLD accounts (139538) has been locked out
> >> due to "FRAUD".
> >>
> >> For unlock it please enter here :
> >>
> >> http://www.e-qold.com
> >>
> >> Thank You
> >> E-GOLD LTD REP.
> >
> >--- Ben Legume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Crook posted
> >>
> >> >please change your egold password immediately!!!
> >> I have just checked and realised that my account
> >> and that of my family members were cleaned out!
> >> My account was okay just a few minutes back and
> >> when I login again the money is GONE!!!
> >>
> >> >PLEASE CHANGE YOUR ACCOUNT PASSWORD NOW!! OR GET
> >> THEM TRANSFERRED TO OSGOLD FOR SAFE KEEPING
> >> ALSO - PLEASE RECALL AND POST WHICH ARE THE GAMES
> >> YOU GUYS COULD BE SPENDING TO THESE LAST 3
> DAYS...
> >> ONE OF THEM COULD BE THE CULPRIT WITH SPECIAL
> >> HACKER
> >> SOFTWARE!!!BELIEVE ME...CHANGE YOUR
> PASSPHRASE
> >> NOW WITHOUT FURTHER DELAY!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah, sure, OSgold is the place to put your
> e-gold.
> >> What a scam. If
> >> there was any doubts over the honesty (or at
> least
> >> honour) of those
> >> running/promoting OSgold, this settles it for me.
> >>
> >> Strangely, my e-gold account hasn't been touched.
> >>
> >>
> >> New Books at Discount Prices
> >>   --- Send the right message ---
> >>
> >> + Today freemail +
> >>
> >> Get your free, private email address at
> >>http://www.today.com.au
> >>
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> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >=
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> here, FREE
> >http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=139538
> >
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> rates.
> >Serving Europe, but available WORLDWIDE!
> >http://www.eurogoldline.nl
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[e-gold-list] Re: Scam postings/they just tried with us

2001-04-28 Thread Frank Zuchristian

ATTENTION EVERYBODY, AN ATTEMPT HAS JUST BEEN TRIED TO
HACK INTO OUR ACCOUNT.  WE HAVE CUT AND PASTED THE
INFORMATION BELOW.  WE ALSO HAVE CAPTURED THE URL FROM
THE ATTEMPT.

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Your E-GOLD accounts (139538) has been locked out
> due to "FRAUD".
>  
> For unlock it please enter here :
>  
> http://www.e-qold.com
>  
> Thank You
> E-GOLD LTD REP.

--- Ben Legume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Crook posted
> 
> >please change your egold password immediately!!!
> I have just checked and realised that my account
> and that of my family members were cleaned out!
> My account was okay just a few minutes back and
> when I login again the money is GONE!!!
> 
> >PLEASE CHANGE YOUR ACCOUNT PASSWORD NOW!! OR GET
> THEM TRANSFERRED TO OSGOLD FOR SAFE KEEPING
> ALSO - PLEASE RECALL AND POST WHICH ARE THE GAMES
> YOU GUYS COULD BE SPENDING TO THESE LAST 3 DAYS...
> ONE OF THEM COULD BE THE CULPRIT WITH SPECIAL
> HACKER
> SOFTWARE!!!BELIEVE ME...CHANGE YOUR PASSPHRASE
> NOW WITHOUT FURTHER DELAY!!!
> 
> 
> Yeah, sure, OSgold is the place to put your e-gold.
> What a scam. If 
> there was any doubts over the honesty (or at least
> honour) of those 
> running/promoting OSgold, this settles it for me.
> 
> Strangely, my e-gold account hasn't been touched.
> 
> 
> New Books at Discount Prices 
>   --- Send the right message ---
> 
> + Today freemail +   
> 
> Get your free, private email address at
>http://www.today.com.au 
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: Scam postings/Some links to help

2001-04-28 Thread Frank Zuchristian

These links were given to me by Mr. James Ray,
Omnipay.  We suggest them to all of our clients, as
well as posting cautions about current scams, as we
hear them.  I recognize that the cat is out of the
bag, but you should still take some time to review
them.  Apparently, someone must have hacked into your
computer in order to get the passphrases.

Windows users are very susceptible in this area, as
windows retains previous pages.  You can clear these
manually via internet options, clear all temporary
files, I do this every time I have gone into my e-gold
account.  Use the microsoft utilities to clean your
disk, and a appropriate virus scanner, my system is
set to shut down automatically, in the event that
someone tries to enter it, inconvenient but safer.

http://www.mark-knutson.com/  start with the
past...was it possible 
then, or have
the immutable laws of economics somehow changed? 

http://www.itiltd.com/scams.html Ok, now you have some
tests, and

http://www.quatloos.com/ a pretty good comprehensive
site, but

https://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/nonrepudiation.html  

Hope this helps.

Frank
EuroGoldLine Admin
http://www.eurogoldline.nl
--- Ben Legume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Crook posted
> 
> >please change your egold password immediately!!!
> I have just checked and realised that my account
> and that of my family members were cleaned out!
> My account was okay just a few minutes back and
> when I login again the money is GONE!!!
> 
> >PLEASE CHANGE YOUR ACCOUNT PASSWORD NOW!! OR GET
> THEM TRANSFERRED TO OSGOLD FOR SAFE KEEPING
> ALSO - PLEASE RECALL AND POST WHICH ARE THE GAMES
> YOU GUYS COULD BE SPENDING TO THESE LAST 3 DAYS...
> ONE OF THEM COULD BE THE CULPRIT WITH SPECIAL
> HACKER
> SOFTWARE!!!BELIEVE ME...CHANGE YOUR PASSPHRASE
> NOW WITHOUT FURTHER DELAY!!!
> 
> 
> Yeah, sure, OSgold is the place to put your e-gold.
> What a scam. If 
> there was any doubts over the honesty (or at least
> honour) of those 
> running/promoting OSgold, this settles it for me.
> 
> Strangely, my e-gold account hasn't been touched.
> 
> 
> New Books at Discount Prices 
>   --- Send the right message ---
> 
> + Today freemail +   
> 
> Get your free, private email address at
>http://www.today.com.au 
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: KvK Chamber of Commerce

2001-04-28 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Dear offshore surfer,

The "Kamer van Koophandel" (Chamber of Commerce) in
the Netherlands is diferrent than in most countries
that I have been in.  They are not just a collector of
fees and forms (though they do that too).  They are in
 fact proactive, we had to make adjustments to both
the paperwork and the site to meet their requirements.

Furthermore, you cannot get a tax number (see our
about us page) without being registered.

The banks, in the Netherland, not only will not open a
business account with it, but will delve deeper than
that, as they are very concerned about any activity
that might damage their reuputations.

Our ISP is based in the Netherlands, once again, not
only did we have to submit the proper registrations,
but also, they view the site for compliance with Dutch
law.

This cost us many meetings, and elapsed time of about
a month before we could legitimately open our doors
for business.  Though painful, at the time, we AGREE
with those policies.  We have taken this a step
further, by placing their logo and a link to their
site (it is also in English) at the top of our entry
page.  We are not required to do so, nor was it
suggested that we do.  However, we take our
responsibility, in the handling of financial
transactions or others very seriously.  Our about us
page gives you all the details, including telephone
numbers, which will be answered by us, or overnight by
our computer.

We have started a private group at Yahoo, for the
benefit of our clients.  The first posting includes
links, that our clients can use to educate themselves
on how to spot a possible scam or fraud operation. 
When we hear of one we post for the benefit of our
clients.  We also post virus warnings, e-gold related
matters and news regarding our srvices (ie additions,
changes, bank holdiays).  All new clients are invited
to join.

E-gold requires documentation of MM's, included in
that is a picture ID, and they also view the site
before adding a potential MM to the list.  I think
that you will find, these are isolated incidents,
regretable as they are, but that MM's on the whole act
responsibly and are cognizant of their
responsibilities.  

The MM's are currently forming an "Alliance" which,
hopefully will address some of these concerns.  You
must understand, that being spread out all over the
world, this is a very difficult task.  MM's have also
put up monies to try to locate and stop scammers, we
want them off the net.

Hopefully, this has answered your questions, if not
please feel free to email or call me on the listed
numbers.

Thank you,

Frank
EuroGoldLine Admin
http://www.eurogoldline.nl
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Do e-gold MMs require licensing in the way that
> regular change
> offices/cambios do? I seem to remember seeing
> something about this on the
> e-gold site a while back... AFAIK the Chamber of
> Commerce thing is just a
> company registration which anyone can get just by
> filling in a few forms?
> 
> offshoresurfer
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Frank Zuchristian"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "e-gold Discussion"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: 27 April 2001 10:36
> Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Flatrategold.
> 
> 
> > EuroGoldLine , like many of the other MM's also
> posts
> > their information plainly on their pages.
> >
> > We take it a step further by providing and
> independent
> > link to verify with the KvK (Chamber of Commerce)
> > which regulates us.  Our providor also requires
> and
> > checks all of this information.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > EuroGoldLine Admin
> > --- Vince Callaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > For my own curiosity I did a couple of lookups
> on
> > > flatrate gold.  Using
> > > the tools that I use to validate users I came up
> > > with the following:
> > >
> > > Domain registration:
> > >
> > > Administrative Contact:
> > > Collins, DuPree  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > 2819-112 Street
> > > Suite #304E
> > > Edmonton, Alberta T6J 4M3
> > > CA
> > > 780-988-9077
> > >
> > >
> > > The phone number is listed to:
> > >
> > > I Kutzner
> > > 4616 106a St NW 901
> > > Edmonton, AB T6H 5J5
> > >
> > > The website is hosted by virtualave.net which is
> a
> > > free hosting site.
> > > Anyone can go in and signup, no info required.
> > >
> > > I did a search in canada and there are no
> listings
> > > for DuPree Collins, but
> > > there are about 50 D Collins.
> > >
> > > In contrast it takes about 2 seconds t

[e-gold-list] Re: Flatrategold.

2001-04-27 Thread Frank Zuchristian

EuroGoldLine , like many of the other MM's also posts
their information plainly on their pages.

We take it a step further by providing and independent
link to verify with the KvK (Chamber of Commerce)
which regulates us.  Our providor also requires and
checks all of this information.

Thank you

EuroGoldLine Admin
--- Vince Callaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> For my own curiosity I did a couple of lookups on
> flatrate gold.  Using
> the tools that I use to validate users I came up
> with the following:
> 
> Domain registration:
> 
> Administrative Contact:
> Collins, DuPree  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 2819-112 Street
> Suite #304E
> Edmonton, Alberta T6J 4M3
> CA
> 780-988-9077
> 
> 
> The phone number is listed to:
> 
> I Kutzner 
> 4616 106a St NW 901
> Edmonton, AB T6H 5J5  
> 
> The website is hosted by virtualave.net which is a
> free hosting site.
> Anyone can go in and signup, no info required.
> 
> I did a search in canada and there are no listings
> for DuPree Collins, but
> there are about 50 D Collins.
> 
> In contrast it takes about 2 seconds to get my home
> address and phone
> number, plus I list my office address on my website
> with a map.
> 
> Draw your own conclusions.
> 
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: Reliability Of Funding Through Authorized Market Makers

2001-04-27 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Good morning,

We are deeply disturbed by what has happened. 
Unfortunately we cannot comment on this.  Our belief,
in the short time that we have offerred our service is
that on the whole MM's are not only highly reliable,
cognizant of their financial responsibilities and
honest.  We have also noted that MM's are targets,
from the dishonest faction on the net, and many have
contributed to a fund to eliminate this.

In the Netherlands, we are required by law, to furnish
all detailled information of the company and owners to
the KvK (Chamber of Commerce) and they regularily
check us out.  We, voluntarily, have included a link
to the KvK's site for you to be able to independently
verify all of our information (they do have an english
section).  In the Netherlands, you cannot obtain a tax
number without first having been duly registered with
the KvK (Chamber of Commerce).

We believe, that the MM's you have mentioned will
contact you and make arrangements to settle this.  We
hope that you will not lose faith in e-gold, as it is
still more economical, safer and faster than using
credit cards on the net.  Please feel free to visit
our site  http://www.eurogoldline.nl

While you are there join our private group at Yahoo
and keep abreast of developements.  We just posted a
very important virus warning, this morning.

Thank you,

Frank
EuroGoldLine Admin
--- Lim Ka Seong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Anybody having this problem before?
> On 17 Mar 2001, we followed a link in E-Gold
> directory and get to one of
> the authorized market maker: Flat Rate Gold. We used
> the service to fund
> our E-Gold account. After wiring $1300 to them, we
> found that Flat Rate
> Gold put up a notice on the website 2 days later
> about reconstructuring
> their website, and will be back on 27 Mar. Until
> today, the website is
> still dormant. We have reported the case to E-Gold
> Service and what E-gold
> have done was to remove the link from E-Gold
> directory. At the moment, we
> are not getting any help ??
> 
> Again, we are having the same problem with another
> authorized funding
> agaent at the moment. We used another market maker
> on Monday, Heap Of
> Gold. We wired $1075, and today we found the
> temporary cease of funding
> operation notice on their website. Another
> anticipated lost of $1075 
> When I visited E-Gold directory, the link to "Heap
> Of Gold" have just been
> removed from E-Gold site. WHAT IS HAPPENING OUT
> THERE? IS E-GOLD system
> tearing apart? Can we still trust E-GOLD system at
> all after losing some
> much hard earn money through the authorized and
> officially listed market
> makers?
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: Question re: Metal Savings

2001-04-25 Thread Frank Zuchristian

Dear Eirc,

No, but if you find out let me know.  Every email I
have sent them has been returned, no matter what
address I use.

Temporarily, we are using +31268440113  for our 24
hour, 7 day voice and fax services.  The cable company
has pushed back the installation of another telephone
line into May.

Thanks,

Frank
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--- "Eric J. Gaither" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>Does anyone have the updated url for the Metal
> Savings site since they relocated the server?
> 
>Erich...are you still on this list?
> 
> 
> Eric Gaither, President
> Gaithmans Gold Nation, Inc.
> (317) 788-8580 Voice
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://businesses.msn.com/gege/
> 
> 
> Scammer(s) take notice...the Gold Community is
> united in seeing  your demise:
> 
> http://www.e-gold.com/pub-bal.asp?pubid=283196
> 
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: Suggestion for e-gold security

2001-04-20 Thread Frank Zuchristian

I think that this is an excellent idea.

Perhaps, it could be implemented easier, if the email
is generated when the account is placed under the
existing hold.  OK if you goofed on login, you know
it, and I have done it.  However, if someone else has
attempted, notifying you would enable you to take
action BEFORE they can succeed.  Currently, the only
way you find out is if you attempt to log in, many
people don't do this that often.

How about this e-gold, is it doable?

Frank
EuroGoldLine Admin


--- Michael Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I may be wrong but I think what he means is an email
> prompt actually sent to
> the account holder  rather than just a notice on the
> login page. A good idea
> rather than going to your account may after a day or
> two and seeing that
> someone has attempted to get into your account.
> 
> I don't think that would be hard to do would it?
> 
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.gold-today.com
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> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Viking Coder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "e-gold Discussion"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 5:48 AM
> Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Suggestion for e-gold
> security
> 
> 
> > > Kai wrote
> > > e-gold should temporary block an account, if
> it's password was entered
> wrong
> > > three times. Maybe for six hours or so. At the
> same time e-gold should
> send
> > > an e-mail to the owner to warn him about the
> tries. Maybe combined with
> an
> > > unblock-password.
> > >
> >
> > They already do. When you login to your account,
> it tells the last time an
> > incorrect passphrase was used.
> >
> >
> > Viking Coder
> > 
> > Worth Two Cents?
> > http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder
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