date:20061010

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/10/technology/10nano.html
 
 So far, there have been no confirmed reports of public health or 
 environmental problems related to nanotechnology. But troubling 
 laboratory tests suggest some nanoscale particles may pose novel health 
 risks by, for instance, slipping easily past barriers to the brain that 
 keep larger particles out. Thus, the same attributes that could make 
 the technology valuable for delivering drugs could also make it 
 hazardous.


Actually, I recall some issue with nano-tech particles used in window cleaners, 
so I think the 
article is incorrect.

slashdot.org had an article about it at least 6 months ago, I think.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flyers ad in local newspaper

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote:
  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@
wrote:

 I saw an advertisement for yogic flyers to come to FF with
 scholarships, in a local newspaper today.
   
What I think is fascinating is that no one has
suggested what this means. To me, resorting to
advertising to the *public* means that the TMO
has finally realized that it has so little
credibility among its own membership (those
who have learned TM and the siddhis) it can
no longer recruit for these emergency courses
from among them. It has to go for strangers.
   
   
   Or the ads for 'FREE' into lectures... I wonder how the $2500
 price goes
   over in those?
   Or do they have Discover Card reps in the back of the room waiting?
   
   JohnY
  
  
  The intro lectures have always been free, and have always been
 advertised as free...
 
 
 Gee, No! You've got to be kidding!
 
 
 JohnY
 
 PS. Just contrasting 'FREE' intro with the current course fee



I remember people bitching about a student fee of $35 and an adult fee of $45, 
so if 
people want to bitch, they're going to bitch, period.






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[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Yogii flyers Want ad placed in newspapers

2006-10-10 Thread dhamiltony2k5

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I saw an advertisement for yogic flyers to come to FF with 
 scholarships, in a local newspaper today.
 
 OffWorld

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7

Dear Sidhas and Governors,

First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded 
from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program 
there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that 
if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have 
learned from Maharishi  no more, no less. In turn, we promise to 
never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do 
with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right 
to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and 
acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence 
for which the domes were built.

Jai Guru Dev,

Maharisihi Mahesh Yogi







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tehran and Damascus are gearing up for a pre-emptive Syrian attack



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Appeal to FEAR, as usual.
 

Fear ? B. take of your 'fear' type of glasses off and you might see
things differently... 

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter
 larry.potter@ wrote:
 
  
Tehran and Damascus are gearing up for a pre-emptive Syrian 
attack on
  Israel to ward off a US strike on Iran's nuclear sites
  
  
[http://www.debka.com/photos/3357.jpg]
  Our military and Washington sources read as preparatory 
justification
  the Syrian ruler Bashar Asad's statement Saturday, Oct. 7, that 
he
  expects an Israeli attack.
  
  He was speaking in an interview to Kuwaiti paper al-Anba.
  
  Asad's Iranian-backed war plan would serve the purpose of forcing
  the Americans to divide their military assets between a strike 
against
  Iran and the defense of their allies in the Persia Gulf, Israel 
and US
  forces in Iraq. Both are seriously looking at a Syrian attack on 
the
  Golan which would escalate into a full-blown Syrian-Israeli war 
and a
  second Hizballah assault from Lebanon.
  
  Asad's remark that during the Lebanon hostilities, he was under
  pressure from the Syrian population to go to war against Israel 
and
  liberate the Golan is the most direct threat of belligerency of 
all his
  four Golan statements in the last month. He is implying that he 
stood up
  to the pressure once but may not do so again. And for the 
benefit of the
  Americans, the Europeans, the Saudis and the Egyptians - all of 
whom are
  pretty fed up with him  Asad is posing as the picture of
  self-restraint; anyone else in his place, he implies, would have 
taken
  advantage of the Lebanon war and made a grab for the Golan. 
Therefore,
  he is saying, he deserves to be treated with the respect due to a
  strategic asset by Western and moderate Arab powers instead of 
being
  targeted for an ouster.
  
  The Syrian ruler would not threaten war without guarantees from 
Iran.
  According to DEBKAfile's sources, Asad and Iran's supreme ruler
  Ayatollah Ali Khamenei are prompted by the following motives:
  
  1. Tehran is not prepared to wait passively for the Americans to 
build
  up their assault force in the Gulf and strike its nuclear 
facilities. A
  pre-emptive attack would suit them better.
  
  2. Tehran and Damascus have not missed the debilitating crisis 
in which
  Israel's political and military leadership are sunk since the
  Lebanon war. They do not propose to wait until the IDF pulls 
itself
  together enough to handle fresh aggression.
  
  3. Both accept Israel's deputy prime minister Shimon Peres'
  assessment that Israel's cities are not prepared for missile 
attack.
  Iran and Syria take it for granted that Israeli leaders 
understand they
  cannot afford to launch missiles against either one of them for 
fear of
  reprisal in kind.
  
  4. Syria believes that if Hizballah could stand up to the 
Israeli army
  in Lebanon, its commandoes can capture sections of the Golan and 
walk
  off with an easy victory.
  
  5. Tehran figures that the Bush administration is coming to the 
end of
  its patience in Iraq and preparing for a major review of its 
position
  there. The influential U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee 
Chairman,
  John Warner, said Friday that Iraq's government had 60 to 90 
days to
  control the violence that threatens civil war or the United 
States would
  have to reconsider its options. This gives the Maliki government 
in
  Baghdad up to December or January to de-escalate if not halt the
  sectarian war engulfing the country.
  
  Iran, Syria and Hizballah would not be averse to disrupting the 
American
  Iraq timeline by attacking Israel and putting the Bush 
administration on
  the spot, forced to address three warfronts simultaneously.
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits -- CAN'T FIND THE $190 MILLION!

2006-10-10 Thread dhamiltony2k5

So, this FFL thread is the best accounting the TMorg and Maharishi 
give of what they have done?  Evidently thin accounting that is not 
transparent.  It looks pretty bad when they can not openly speak to 
it.  Shame on them.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
 markmeredith@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   **
   
   U.S. non-profits are required to file an IRS form 990, which 
lists 
   their income and assets. For 2004, the Global Country of World 
Peace 
   listed a balance of $190 million dollars. Anybody can verify 
this by 
   going to http://www.guidestar.org , completing the free 
registration, 
   and looking at the 990 information using the search 
term Maharishi.
  
  Form 990 for 2004 shows net assets of only $10.2 million for the
  Global Country of World Peace.  $8.5 million for the prior 
year.  I
  can't find any independent filing entity related to maharishi
  endowment for world peace.  The Global Country seems to deal 
solely
  with vedic city stuff, nothing about India.
  
  Where exactly are you finding $190 million balance in cash?
  
  The Global Development Fund is the largest maharishi entity in 
the US
  with over $200 million in net assets but that's primarily old 
money
  from the 90s with only $3 million in cash.
 
 Actually I think I may have found it.  In 2002, the Maharishi 
Global
 Development Fund took in $76 million in donations.  $58 million of
 that was then transferred out to a variety of offshore accounts in 
the
 Channel Islands.  The primary offshore account is the Brahmanada
 Saraswati trust which received a $53 million grant that year.  This
 same account received $16 million in 2003 and $10 million in 2004 
in
 grants from the MMY Glb. Dev Acc't, which represents the majority 
of
 its own donations for those years.  So it seems that US donations 
to
 the pundits have gone into the Glb. Dev fund for tax purposes but 
then
 get transferred out to an offshore account where of course they 
can't
 be traced any further.  I can't imagine what else that $76 million 
in
 donations in 2002 could be connected to.  Was that the year the
 millionaire courses started??
 
 Anyway, unless someone can get records from a private offshore 
account
 we don't know how the pundit donations have been used.
 
 I'm still curious where Bob saw the $190 million in cash?
 
 PS -- The biggest expense for the MMY Glb Dev fund in 2002 was $2.7
 million paid to Equine 121 Consulting in Texas.  This must be
 related to that real estate scandal in texas in which the movement
 paid a bunch of money to some ex-politician to fix some deal which
 cost the locals a bunch of money -- anyone remember those details??







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Quote of the Day

2006-10-10 Thread Alex Stanley

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Just for your info: Melhman I've heard is a Satanist.

All I've heard is that he's another closet case.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Quote of the Day

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@
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  Just for your info: Melhman I've heard is a Satanist.
 
 All I've heard is that he's another closet case.



Closet gay satanic child molesting christian whale, er,  congresscritter?

Where's North Korea's nukes when you need them?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits -- CAN'T FIND THE $190 MILLION!

2006-10-10 Thread coldbluiceman

 dhamiltony2k5 wrote:
 So, this FFL thread is the best accounting 
 the TMorg and Maharishi 
 give of what they have done?  
 Evidently thin accounting that is not 
 transparent.  
 It looks pretty bad when they can 
 not openly speak to 
 it.  Shame on them.

  mark meredith 2002 wrote:
   mark meredith 2002 wrote
  markmeredith@ wrote:

 bob brigante wrote:
U.S. non-profits are required to 
file an IRS form 990, 
which lists 
their income and assets. For 2004,
the Global Country of World Peace 
listed a balance of $190 million dollars. 
Anybody can verify this by 
going to http://www.guidestar.org , 
completing the free registration, 
and looking at the 990 information 
using the search term Maharishi.

   mark meredith 2002 wrote
   Form 990 for 2004 shows net assets of
   only $10.2 million for the
   Global Country of World Peace. 
   $8.5 million for the prior 
   year.  I
   can't find any independent filing entity 
   related to maharishi
   endowment for world peace.  
   The Global Country seems 
   to deal solely
   with vedic city stuff,
nothing about India.
   
   Where exactly are you finding $190 
   million balance in cash?
   The Global Development Fund is the largest 
   maharishi entity in the US
   with over $200 million in net assets but 
   that's primarily old money
   from the 90s with only $3 million in cash.

  mark meredith 2002 wrote:
  Actually I think I may have found it.  
  In 2002, the Maharishi Global
  Development Fund took in $76 million in donations.
   $58 million of
  that was then transferred out to a variety 
  of offshore accounts in the
  Channel Islands.  
  The primary offshore account is the Brahmanada
  Saraswati trust which received a $53 million 
  grant that year.  This same account received
  $16 million in 2003 and $10 million in 2004 in
  grants from the MMY Glb. Dev Acc't, 
  which represents the majority of
  its own donations for those years.  
  So it seems that US donations 
  to the pundits have gone into the Glb. 
  Dev fund for tax purposes but then
  get transferred out to an offshore account
  where of course they can't
  be traced any further.  
  I can't imagine what else that $76 million in
  donations in 2002 could be connected to. 
  Was that the year the
  millionaire courses started??

  Anyway, unless someone can get records from a
  private offshore account
  we don't know how the pundit donations have been used.

  I'm still curious where Bob saw the $190 million in cash?
 
  PS -- The biggest expense for the MMY Glb Dev 
  fund in 2002 was $2.7
  million paid to Equine 121 Consulting in Texas.  
  This must be related to that real estate scandal
  in texas in which the movement
  paid a bunch of money to some ex-politician 
  to fix some deal which
  cost the locals a bunch of money -- 
  anyone remember those details??

Sir Mark,
Looks like the tmo may have hired a consultant to lobby the City 
Counsil with regards to the re-zoning issues.

It appears the City wants to re-zone as agricultural land.

And, the tmo which failed to develop the 300 acres with a whirled 
peas palace, and tehy await a buyer.
Doesn't look the parcel will sell anytime soon due primarily to the 
re-zoning issues, as there isn't a master plan in place now.
See related articles..

THE COLONY  The Maharishi Global Development Fund is asking the 
city to delay rezoning about 300 acres that the fund owns along 
State Highway 121 so the company can find a buyer. 

The city will consider the requested six-month delay next month but 
is eager to see the land developed. Officials want to change the 
zoning back to its original agricultural designation because no 
development has occurred there for several years. 

It's part of the city's plan to turn the stretch of Highway 121 into 
an entertainment and recreation district by attracting development. 
The city has adopted a master plan to realize that vision, and one 
of the first steps is to rezone the land accordingly. 
http://tinyurl.com/eugpa

 Steve Brown:
Trump buzz probably all talk
He brought big rumors and earned big bucks in Dallas appearance
08:09 AM CST on Friday, March 3, 2006
 ..And don't forget the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's plan to build a 300-
acre heaven on earth in The Colony... 
http://tinyurl.com/jct2y







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Global warming would alter our local climate drastically

2006-10-10 Thread uns_tressor

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 Global warming would alter our local climate drastically 
 By Robert Miller
 THE NEWS-TIMES 
 In the coming decades, our winters will be short, wet and anemic and
 summers will be long and hot -- like Maryland or, more on the stifling
 side, like South Carolina. 
 People will change the way they live: forsaking their skis and
 toboggans for bikes and depending more than ever on air-conditioning.
 They'll find themselves prey to new diseases. Some businesses will
 wither, others perhaps, will thrive. 
 Connecticut's coastline will be altered dramatically. The mix of
 trees in its forests will change. So will its plants, birds
 and big mammals, its amphibians and fish

and not to forget insects which cause a whole set of knock-on
problems. This moth which attacks conker trees may be affected:
http://tinyurl.com/gk48f
Uns.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flyers ad in local newspaper

2006-10-10 Thread jyouells2000


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@
wrote:
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
no_reply@
 wrote:
 
  I saw an advertisement for yogic flyers to come to FF with
  scholarships, in a local newspaper today.

 What I think is fascinating is that no one has
 suggested what this means. To me, resorting to
 advertising to the *public* means that the TMO
 has finally realized that it has so little
 credibility among its own membership (those
 who have learned TM and the siddhis) it can
 no longer recruit for these emergency courses
 from among them. It has to go for strangers.

   
Or the ads for 'FREE' into lectures... I wonder how the $2500
  price goes
over in those?
Or do they have Discover Card reps in the back of the room
waiting?
   
JohnY
   
  
   The intro lectures have always been free, and have always been
  advertised as free...
  
 
  Gee, No! You've got to be kidding!
 
 
  JohnY
 
  PS. Just contrasting 'FREE' intro with the current course fee
 


 I remember people bitching about a student fee of $35 and an adult fee
of $45, so if
 people want to bitch, they're going to bitch, period.


Have you done an intro lecture at the current price? I'll bet you
haven't.

JohnY







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quote of the Day

2006-10-10 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Oct 9, 2006, at 10:49 PM, authfriend wrote:

 The Republicans' behavior has been utterly
 reprehensible, not only in covering up the Foley
 problem to begin with, but in trying to cover up
 the coverup after the story broke by trying to
 blame the Democrats.

You know, it seems that, at least since the story broke, about the only 
Republican acting with even a shred of decency has been Foley.  As for 
the rest of them--have they no shame?  I guess not.

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] Re: cosmic ripples

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
   no_reply@
wrote:
  
  
  
  Ok, I missed this bit:
  You have got to be a fvkin' spoof or a troll. 
  
  The fact that matter only disappears for 100 trillion 
trillion 
  trillion years or so instead of forever 
  
  How can you possibly talk about something that makes matter 
  dissapear for 100 trillion trillion trillion years more than the 
  expected life of the universe (time and space) in a rational 
  sentance is absurd.
  
  You are a troll, a spoof, or you ADHD is kickin' in.
  
  Outta here
  
  OffWorld
 
 U.. That's the point. If the expected life of the universe is 
only a few dozen billion 
 years, and black holes keep their secrets for hundreds of 
trillions times that long, it's only 
 a philosophical/theoretical physics issue and likely doesn't 
affect the universe in any 
 currently observable way, like, how much matter is tied up in 
them. If dark matter can't be 
 explained by black holes, it isn't because Hawking lost his bet.
 
 Lurkers should note that Hawking and friends, while they take the 
bet seriously on one 
 level because the issue is important for the mathematical 
insights, don't really take it 
 seriously in any real world way

You really are showing your ignorance here. If Hawkings now has 
changed his mind and says that black holes do not lead to multi-
verse, and many other wormhole like qualities are gone, then it is a 
huge difference and the power to hold the universe together is lost. 
You will read about this soon. Please stop talking about glorified 
neutron stars in regard to the classic black hole theory.

ROFL a trillion trillion years more than the universe. 

Your basic problem is that you think scientists understand physics, 
so that allows you to pretend that you do. The fact of the matter is 
that physicists do not understand it:

the Physicists are saying that. They are
saying : we STILL cannot explain dark matter, and we are at a loss
to explain the laws of physics

David Cline is a professor of Physics and Astrophysics at UCLA.
Here is a quote from an article he wrote for the March 2003
Scientific American:
The universe around us is not what it appears to be. The stars make
up less than 1 percent of its mass; all the loose gas and other
forms of ordinary matter, less than 5 percent. The motions of this
visible material reveal that it is mere flotsam on an unseen sea of
unknown material. We know little about that sea. The terms we use to
describe its components, dark matter and dark energy, serve
mainly as expressions of our ignorance.
http://www.p-i-a.com/Magazine/Issue18/Physics_18.htm

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[FairfieldLife] Re: cosmic ripples

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ 
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 [...]
  No, there is no relationship in any way whatsoever, of black 
holes 
  in which matter, energy, and time, are completely annihilated 
from 
  the universe, to an entity that keeps energy for a couple of 
  billion years.   
  Time, space, gravity, energy, matter are all entirely consumed, 
  and dissapeared in a classic black hole (which by definition 
  exists until the end of the universe because the time is trapped 
at 
  zero...there is no time this is the classic black hole 
  theorywhat you are describing is a glorified neutron star.
 
 Er, gravity is not anhilated by a black hole. 

No-one knows what gravity is, so get off your pretentious high horse 
and recognise that the classical description of a black hole is that 
time stops within a black hole (ie no time), no space, no gravity. 
The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON  --- 
gravity, time, energy, space, etc. are not known but it is known 
that the laws of physics do not apply.

Just in case you don't get that this is what a black hole is.
The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON.

This is also true of the Plack scale and the Plack era (even 
slightly after the Planck era, they do not apply). 

So stop telling us how you think black holes are explained. The only 
explanation for a classic black hole is that the laws of physics do 
not apply beyond the event horizon, and if that description is 
changed them it is nothing more than a glorified neutron star. 

The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: cosmic ripples

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  [...]
   No, there is no relationship in any way whatsoever, of black 
 holes 
   in which matter, energy, and time, are completely annihilated 
 from 
   the universe, to an entity that keeps energy for a couple of 
   billion years.   
   Time, space, gravity, energy, matter are all entirely consumed, 
   and dissapeared in a classic black hole (which by definition 
   exists until the end of the universe because the time is trapped 
 at 
   zero...there is no time this is the classic black hole 
   theorywhat you are describing is a glorified neutron star.
  
  Er, gravity is not anhilated by a black hole. 
 
 No-one knows what gravity is, so get off your pretentious high horse 
 and recognise that the classical description of a black hole is that 
 time stops within a black hole (ie no time), no space, no gravity. 
 The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON  --- 
 gravity, time, energy, space, etc. are not known but it is known 
 that the laws of physics do not apply.
 
 Just in case you don't get that this is what a black hole is.
 The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON.
 
 This is also true of the Plack scale and the Plack era (even 
 slightly after the Planck era, they do not apply). 
 
 So stop telling us how you think black holes are explained. The only 
 explanation for a classic black hole is that the laws of physics do 
 not apply beyond the event horizon, and if that description is 
 changed them it is nothing more than a glorified neutron star. 
 
 The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON.

Actually, classical black hole theory says that the laws of physics do not 
apply at the 
singularity at the center of mass. I have never heard a theory claim that they 
don't apply 
beyond the event horizon, though of course, by definition, you can't prove such 
a thing, 
either way...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flyers ad in local newspaper

2006-10-10 Thread hermandan0

Actually, the TMO has been pitching yogic flying directly to the
public since way back in the NLP days, and probably longer. There used
to be ads, lectures to students and others, websites, and yogic flying
videos available to the public.

They've always been offering to train students, the unemplyed, etc.
to become an invincible defence force for the nation.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@
 wrote:
 
  I saw an advertisement for yogic flyers to come to FF with 
  scholarships, in a local newspaper today.
 
 What I think is fascinating is that no one has
 suggested what this means. To me, resorting to
 advertising to the *public* means that the TMO
 has finally realized that it has so little
 credibility among its own membership (those
 who have learned TM and the siddhis) it can 
 no longer recruit for these emergency courses 
 from among them. It has to go for strangers.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flyers ad in local newspaper

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
 no_reply@
  wrote:
  
   I saw an advertisement for yogic flyers to come to FF with
   scholarships, in a local newspaper today.
 
  What I think is fascinating is that no one has
  suggested what this means. To me, resorting to
  advertising to the *public* means that the TMO
  has finally realized that it has so little
  credibility among its own membership (those
  who have learned TM and the siddhis) it can
  no longer recruit for these emergency courses
  from among them. It has to go for strangers.
 

 Or the ads for 'FREE' into lectures... I wonder how the $2500
   price goes
 over in those?
 Or do they have Discover Card reps in the back of the room
 waiting?

 JohnY

   
The intro lectures have always been free, and have always been
   advertised as free...
   
  
   Gee, No! You've got to be kidding!
  
  
   JohnY
  
   PS. Just contrasting 'FREE' intro with the current course fee
  
 
 
  I remember people bitching about a student fee of $35 and an adult fee
 of $45, so if
  people want to bitch, they're going to bitch, period.
 
 
 Have you done an intro lecture at the current price? I'll bet you
 haven't.

Never done an intro lecture because I'm not a teacher.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Quote of the Day

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Oct 9, 2006, at 10:49 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  The Republicans' behavior has been utterly
  reprehensible, not only in covering up the Foley
  problem to begin with, but in trying to cover up
  the coverup after the story broke by trying to
  blame the Democrats.
 
 You know, it seems that, at least since the story broke,
 about the only Republican acting with even a shred of
 decency has been Foley.  As for the rest of them--have
 they no shame?  I guess not.

Nope, no shame, only fear that they're going to lose
power.

It's hard to know where Foley's at.  One hopes he's had
a genuine Moment of Truth, but considering the depths
he'd been happily plumbing for many years, that kind of
instant turnaround seems unlikely on its face.  The whole
rehab bit has become such a cliche for scandal-plagued
public figures that it doesn't have a lot of credibility.
It may be nothing more than getting himself out of the
public eye until at least after the elections, as well
as a way to scrape up whatever potential sympathy may be
out there.

And it would have been Really, Really Stupid for him to
have tried to hang onto his job in the face of all the
revelations (and more he must have known would be coming
out).  He didn't have a whole lot of choice about
resigning.

Of course, if it weren't for society's--and especially
the right's--twisted view of homosexuality, quite
possibly he wouldn't have felt the need to sneak around
to do his thing, whatever it was.

Whatever it was = it's not entirely clear to me that
he's fixated on much younger men, as opposed to the
availability of pages being a relatively safe
opportunity to cat around that he couldn't indulge in
public (excuse the tortured syntax there!).  All very
complicated.

Apparently he has a life partner back in Florida.  They've
reportedly been together for nearly 20 years.  That guy
must be going through a lot as well.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quote of the Day

2006-10-10 Thread Sal Sunshine


On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:28 AM, authfriend wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 On Oct 9, 2006, at 10:49 PM, authfriend wrote:

 The Republicans' behavior has been utterly
 reprehensible, not only in covering up the Foley
 problem to begin with, but in trying to cover up
 the coverup after the story broke by trying to
 blame the Democrats.

 You know, it seems that, at least since the story broke,
 about the only Republican acting with even a shred of
 decency has been Foley.  As for the rest of them--have
 they no shame?  I guess not.

 Nope, no shame, only fear that they're going to lose
 power.

 It's hard to know where Foley's at.  One hopes he's had
 a genuine Moment of Truth, but considering the depths
 he'd been happily plumbing for many years, that kind of
 instant turnaround seems unlikely on its face.  The whole
 rehab bit has become such a cliche for scandal-plagued
 public figures that it doesn't have a lot of credibility.
 It may be nothing more than getting himself out of the
 public eye until at least after the elections, as well
 as a way to scrape up whatever potential sympathy may be
 out there.

 And it would have been Really, Really Stupid for him to
 have tried to hang onto his job in the face of all the
 revelations (and more he must have known would be coming
 out).  He didn't have a whole lot of choice about
 resigning.

I agree, I wasn't thinking so much about resigning as about what he 
hasn't been doing: blaming others, calling the pages ugly names, etc.


 Of course, if it weren't for society's--and especially
 the right's--twisted view of homosexuality, quite
 possibly he wouldn't have felt the need to sneak around
 to do his thing, whatever it was.

 Whatever it was = it's not entirely clear to me that
 he's fixated on much younger men, as opposed to the
 availability of pages being a relatively safe
 opportunity to cat around that he couldn't indulge in
 public (excuse the tortured syntax there!).  All very
 complicated.

 Apparently he has a life partner back in Florida.  They've
 reportedly been together for nearly 20 years.  That guy
 must be going through a lot as well.

I imagine so.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Really Charlie Brown; this time you can kick the ball! HONEST!

2006-10-10 Thread hermandan0

Well, if you follow the link to the post for 50 visas a day bit and
the folowing sentence that report claimed to come from a dome meeting,
but the poster could have been lying, I guess.

At any rate, it only makes those who report such things Lucies, and
those who take hope from them are still running at the football,
methinks. We'll see on the 20th.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Well the predictions are very precise so Charile Brown will know by
  October 20 if Lucy pulls the football yet again. Hope, of course,
  seems to spring eternal.
  
   (News Flash from Dr. Mohan Raj Gurubatham)
  
  
  
   500 pandits will be coming in 2 weeks. Bevan said we have
   made
   it. with the pandits and their yagya - MMY said that
   America will be , is invincible. 
 
 ***
 
 I have not seen any official announcement on mou.org or at 
 invincibleamerica.org -- this news seems to be merely a rumor 
 passed on by this Indian man, Dr. Gurubatham. We'll be able to enjoy 
 the Lucy/Charlie Brown analogy only if there is an actual 
 announcement that 500 pundits are going to be in VC in two weeks.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Quote of the Day

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 On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:28 AM, authfriend wrote:
snip
  And it would have been Really, Really Stupid for him to
  have tried to hang onto his job in the face of all the
  revelations (and more he must have known would be coming
  out).  He didn't have a whole lot of choice about
  resigning.
 
 I agree, I wasn't thinking so much about resigning as about
 what he hasn't been doing: blaming others, calling the pages
 ugly names, etc.

True, good point.  He (or at least his lawyer) has been
not just explicit but insistent that he takes all the
responsibility himself.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Bevan's Last Stand'

2006-10-10 Thread Rick Archer

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Bevan's Last Stand'





n 10/10/06 2:06 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I really believe, someone has some financial connections;
In that Kansas area...
I still can't imagine, who would come up the idea of Kansas;

Maharishi believes it is important to have a coherence creating group at the geographic center of the country. Theres one in India, and Smith Center, Kansas happens to be that place in the US. It was his idea, not Bevans.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey, look! The DrudgeReport is using the same Kim Jong Il...







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  http://www.drudgereport.com/

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[FairfieldLife] Re: cosmic ripples

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
no_reply@ 
  wrote:
   [...]
No, there is no relationship in any way whatsoever, of black 
  holes 
in which matter, energy, and time, are completely 
annihilated 
  from 
the universe, to an entity that keeps energy for a couple 
of 
billion years.   
Time, space, gravity, energy, matter are all entirely 
consumed, 
and dissapeared in a classic black hole (which by 
definition 
exists until the end of the universe because the time is 
trapped 
  at 
zero...there is no time this is the classic black hole 
theorywhat you are describing is a glorified neutron 
star.
   
   Er, gravity is not anhilated by a black hole. 
  
  No-one knows what gravity is, so get off your pretentious high 
horse 
  and recognise that the classical description of a black hole is 
that 
  time stops within a black hole (ie no time), no space, no 
gravity. 
  The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON  --- 
  gravity, time, energy, space, etc. are not known but it is known 
  that the laws of physics do not apply.
  
  Just in case you don't get that this is what a black hole is.
  The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON.
  
  This is also true of the Plack scale and the Plack era (even 
  slightly after the Planck era, they do not apply). 
  
  So stop telling us how you think black holes are explained. The 
only 
  explanation for a classic black hole is that the laws of physics 
do 
  not apply beyond the event horizon, and if that description is 
  changed them it is nothing more than a glorified neutron star. 
  
  The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON.
 
 Actually, classical black hole theory says that the laws of 
physics do not apply at the 
 singularity at the center of mass. I have never heard a theory 
claim that they don't apply 
 beyond the event horizon, 


Well now you have:
According to Roger Penrose's Principle of Cosmic Censorship, the 
fact that the laws of physics break down inside the event horizon 
has no impact on the physics outside the black hole 

http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/bh_structur
e.htm


though of course, by definition, you can't prove such a thing, 
 either way...


You can't prove black holes even exist. What you are failing to 
understand is that they are stil theoretical. Physicists follow the 
laws of physics backwards until the laws of physics don't apply any 
more so they cannot follow them anymore.  
The same is true of the Planck era at the big band. IN FACT, it is 
well known that AFTER the Planck era 9for a few nanoseconds, the 
laws of PHYSICS DO NOT WORK. The same is true in many macroscopic 
examples. There is a whole binary star system that has baffled 
scientists because it in no way shape or form adheres to the known 
laws of physics. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quote of the Day







In a message dated 10/10/06 7:28:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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Just for 
  your info: Melhman I've heard is a Satanist.  All I've heard 
  is that he's another closet case.Closet gay satanic child 
  molesting christian whale, er, congresscritter?Where's North Korea's 
  nukes when you need them?

Does he drink the blood of dead babies?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flyers ad in local newspaper

2006-10-10 Thread jyouells2000

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote:
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@
  wrote:
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
  no_reply@
   wrote:
   
I saw an advertisement for yogic flyers to come to FF with
scholarships, in a local newspaper today.
  
   What I think is fascinating is that no one has
   suggested what this means. To me, resorting to
   advertising to the *public* means that the TMO
   has finally realized that it has so little
   credibility among its own membership (those
   who have learned TM and the siddhis) it can
   no longer recruit for these emergency courses
   from among them. It has to go for strangers.
  
 
  Or the ads for 'FREE' into lectures... I wonder how the $2500
price goes
  over in those?
  Or do they have Discover Card reps in the back of the room
  waiting?
 
  JohnY
 

 The intro lectures have always been free, and have always been
advertised as free...

   
Gee, No! You've got to be kidding!
   
   
JohnY
   
PS. Just contrasting 'FREE' intro with the current course fee
   
  
  
   I remember people bitching about a student fee of $35 and an
adult fee
  of $45, so if
   people want to bitch, they're going to bitch, period.
  
  
  Have you done an intro lecture at the current price? I'll bet you
  haven't.
 
 Never done an intro lecture because I'm not a teacher.


That was the point. 
(Although you certainly could have done intros...)


JohnY






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[FairfieldLife] Re: cosmic ripples

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 no_reply@ 
   wrote:
[...]
 No, there is no relationship in any way whatsoever, of black 
   holes 
 in which matter, energy, and time, are completely 
 annihilated 
   from 
 the universe, to an entity that keeps energy for a couple 
 of 
 billion years.   
 Time, space, gravity, energy, matter are all entirely 
 consumed, 
 and dissapeared in a classic black hole (which by 
 definition 
 exists until the end of the universe because the time is 
 trapped 
   at 
 zero...there is no time this is the classic black hole 
 theorywhat you are describing is a glorified neutron 
 star.

Er, gravity is not anhilated by a black hole. 
   
   No-one knows what gravity is, so get off your pretentious high 
 horse 
   and recognise that the classical description of a black hole is 
 that 
   time stops within a black hole (ie no time), no space, no 
 gravity. 
   The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON  --- 
   gravity, time, energy, space, etc. are not known but it is known 
   that the laws of physics do not apply.
   
   Just in case you don't get that this is what a black hole is.
   The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON.
   
   This is also true of the Plack scale and the Plack era (even 
   slightly after the Planck era, they do not apply). 
   
   So stop telling us how you think black holes are explained. The 
 only 
   explanation for a classic black hole is that the laws of physics 
 do 
   not apply beyond the event horizon, and if that description is 
   changed them it is nothing more than a glorified neutron star. 
   
   The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON.
  
  Actually, classical black hole theory says that the laws of 
 physics do not apply at the 
  singularity at the center of mass. I have never heard a theory 
 claim that they don't apply 
  beyond the event horizon, 
 
 
 Well now you have:
 According to Roger Penrose's Principle of Cosmic Censorship, the 
 fact that the laws of physics break down inside the event horizon 
 has no impact on the physics outside the black hole 
 
 http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/bh_structur
 e.htm
 


YOu gotta learn to stop selectively reading. Here is what that URL actually 
says. Note that 
it says explicitly that: At the center of the black hole lies a singularity, 
that is, a region 
where the current laws of physics break down because the circumstances are so 
extreme.



In fact, we do not really know what the inside of a black hole is like. 
Describing the 
characteristics of the structure of a black hole still remains one of the 
challenges of 
modern relativistic astrophysics.

The Schwarzschild radius is the radius at which the escape velocity equals the 
speed of 
light.

The surface of the sphere of radius equal to the Schwarzschild radius is called 
the event 
horizon. We on the outside of the black hole cannot learn anything about any 
event taking 
place within the event horizon, and thus we can think of it as the surface of 
the black 
hole.

At the center of the black hole lies a singularity, that is, a region where the 
current laws of 
physics break down because the circumstances are so extreme.

Note that the Schwarschild radius scales with the mass of the black hole. The 
Schwarzschild radius of a 1 solar mass black hole is 3 x 105 cm.

According to Roger Penrose's Principle of Cosmic Censorship, the fact that the 
laws of 
physics break down inside the event horizon has no impact on the physics 
outside the 
black hole (so we needn't worry about the failure of our current physics too 
much!?).


 
 though of course, by definition, you can't prove such a thing, 
  either way...
 
 
 You can't prove black holes even exist. What you are failing to 
 understand is that they are stil theoretical. Physicists follow the 
 laws of physics backwards until the laws of physics don't apply any 
 more so they cannot follow them anymore.  
 The same is true of the Planck era at the big band. IN FACT, it is 
 well known that AFTER the Planck era 9for a few nanoseconds, the 
 laws of PHYSICS DO NOT WORK. The same is true in many macroscopic 
 examples. There is a whole binary star system that has baffled 
 scientists because it in no way shape or form adheres to the known 
 laws of physics. 
 


Hmmm... Reference? 

And, it there are myriad books out there about the oddities that existed, 
according to 
theory, during the first few seconds of Existence. We're not talking about that 
OR about 
the singularity, but about the conditions inside the event horizon and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quote of the Day

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:28 AM, authfriend wrote:
 snip
   And it would have been Really, Really Stupid for him to
   have tried to hang onto his job in the face of all the
   revelations (and more he must have known would be coming
   out).  He didn't have a whole lot of choice about
   resigning.
  
  I agree, I wasn't thinking so much about resigning as about
  what he hasn't been doing: blaming others, calling the pages
  ugly names, etc.
 
 True, good point.  He (or at least his lawyer) has been
 not just explicit but insistent that he takes all the
 responsibility himself.

I agree that he has stayed out of the spotlight, however regarding 
taking personal responsibility, what I have heard from him was that 
he wrote these IMs because: 1) He is gay, 2)He is an alcoholic 3)He 
was abused by a priest when younger, which all sound like excuses to 
me. In all seriousness, maybe this is what passes for taking 
responsibility among our public officials these days.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Quote of the Day

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 10/10/06 7:28:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Just for  your info: Melhman I've heard is a Satanist.
  
  All I've heard  is that he's another closet case.
 
 
 Closet gay satanic child  molesting christian whale, er, congresscritter?
 
 Where's North Korea's  nukes when you need them?
 
 
 
 
 Does he drink the blood of dead babies?


Doh. Can't forget that news factoid...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tehran and Damascus are gearing up for a pre-emptive Syrian attack

2006-10-10 Thread TurquoiseB

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 Barry, are you pulling an all-nighter or up really early?

I was up early to catch a train to Paris. :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tehran and Damascus are gearing up for a pre-emptive Syrian attack

2006-10-10 Thread TurquoiseB

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
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  Appeal to FEAR, as usual.
 
 Fear ? B. take of your 'fear' type of glasses off and you 
 might see things differently... 

Dude, almost everything you post here reeks of fear.
You may choose to live in that mindset, but I do not.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Yogii flyers Want ad placed in newspapers

2006-10-10 Thread TurquoiseB

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 Dear Sidhas and Governors,
 
 First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded 
 from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program 
 there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that 
 if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have 
 learned from Maharishi  no more, no less. In turn, we promise to 
 never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do 
 with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right 
 to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and 
 acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence 
 for which the domes were built.
 
 Jai Guru Dev,
 
 Maharisihi Mahesh Yogi

Yeah, like that's ever going to happen.

Hell would freeze over before Maharishi made an
apology, and the planet *Mercury* would freeze
over before he or anyone else in the TMO admitted
that they possess neither the wisdom nor the right
to pass judgment on those they consider beneath
them. That's part and parcel of the entire TMO
dogma.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Yogii flyers Want ad placed in newspapers

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
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  Dear Sidhas and Governors,
  
  First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having 
excluded 
  from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program 
  there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition 
that 
  if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have 
  learned from Maharishi  no more, no less. In turn, we promise 
to 
  never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to 
do 
  with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the 
right 
  to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love 
and 
  acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and 
coherence 
  for which the domes were built.
  
  Jai Guru Dev,
  
  Maharisihi Mahesh Yogi
 
 Yeah, like that's ever going to happen.
 
 Hell would freeze over before Maharishi made an
 apology, and the planet *Mercury* would freeze
 over before he or anyone else in the TMO admitted
 that they possess neither the wisdom nor the right
 to pass judgment on those they consider beneath
 them. That's part and parcel of the entire TMO
 dogma.

It can change. I recall Maharishi saying one person can be 
enlightened quickly, but many people (I think he was talking about 
the planet) take awhile. Often the last thing to change is the 
exterior shell.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Yogii flyers Want ad placed in newspapers

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
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  I saw an advertisement for yogic flyers to come to FF with 
  scholarships, in a local newspaper today.
  
  OffWorld
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7
 
 Dear Sidhas and Governors,
 
 First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having 
excluded 
 from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program 
 there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition 
that 
 if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have 
 learned from Maharishi  no more, no less. In turn, we promise to 
 never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do 
 with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the 
right 
 to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and 
 acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and 
coherence 
 for which the domes were built.
 
 Jai Guru Dev,
 
 Maharisihi Mahesh Yogi

This is a tough situation which only complete Self Realization 
within the ranks of the faithful will solve. Years ago I remember 
hearing about the rules and regulations getting tighter to maintain 
the purity of what Maharishi was teaching. I believe if this hadn't 
been done, the TMO would've completely dissolved long ago.

Unfortunately, people will do anything for enlightenment and the 
element in the TMO that has been encouraged are those who feel it 
necessary to lord ocntrol over others, and enforce petty authority 
trips. So it has to be this way for now, in order to sustain the 
Movement at all. Hopefully the ice will melt at some point and 
things can relax a little in the future.





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[FairfieldLife] Tom Cruise Day in Japan

2006-10-10 Thread Jeff Fischer


http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7005128423






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[FairfieldLife] Planet SIMS

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hell would freeze over before Maharishi made an
 apology, and the planet *Mercury* would freeze
 over before he or anyone else in the TMO admitted
 that they possess neither the wisdom nor the right
 to pass judgment on those they consider beneath
 them. That's part and parcel of the entire TMO
 dogma.


I assume you are making that assessment based on personal experience
and direct observation. Since you left the TMO in the latter 70's as
did I, I assume you are talking about 67-78 or so.  For that period, I
have no idea what planet you were on, but it was not Planet SIMS or
the Maharisahiville I knew. Who was manifesting this entire TMO
dogma in that period, leaders who passed judgement on those they
consider beneath themselves? Maharish in that period? Jerry Jarvis?
Joe Clarke? Stan Crowe, Bill Witherspoon, Charlie Donahue? Bob Brant,
Rick Nelson, Rob Mccruchen? Casey Coleman? Louis Dyson? Bille Clayon?
Johnny Gray? Keith Wallace?, Sy Migdal?, David Orme-Johnson? Larry
Domash? Josie Faurso? The M groups === Purusha folks? By 1977, the
leaders in the US were there teams of governors back from the
six-month courses teaching the sidha courses. Them?  Even Bevan. I had
interactions with him in 77-78 and while he had some oddities, he was
friendly and supportive. 

A few of all of these folks these characters, some had some odd,
though perhaps endearing quirks, but stuck-up, superior, dismissive,
judgemental? If you saw such, I assume it is a severe dase of
projection. Or hallucination. Who specifically in this period are you
talking about?








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[FairfieldLife] Unfoldments of Brahman

2006-10-10 Thread Rory Goff

With deepest gratitude to MMY and Guru Dev, we wish to correct some 
Understandings of Brahman we gave here last year. Within the 27 
Nakshatra-states, the middle third or 9 central ones are those of 
Brahma(n), or Light, or Consciousness:

Brahma-Shiva-Shiva (B-S-S) or Mahaturiya
Brahma-Shiva-Brahma (B-S-B) or Maharishi (Brahman)
Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu (B-S-V) or Mahadevata (Krishna)
Brahma-Brahma-Shiva (B-B-S) or Mahachandas (Shiva)
Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B) or Solar Angel, Lamp at the Door
Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu (B-B-V), or chandas (U.C.)
Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva (B-V-S), or devata (G.C.)
Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma (B-V-B), or rishi (C.C.)
Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu (B-V-V), or turiya (T.C.)

Within these 9, the centermost one is Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B), 
the Lamp at the Door, the Solar Angel who resides in the Sacred 
Heart (Solar Plexus) as the intermediary between the Absolute 
(Rudra, Shiva, or Purusha) and the Relative (Indra, Vishnu or 
Shakti). 

In truth, this is the only state of Consciousness that actually 
exists -- the supreme radiance of the perfect Now, the juncture-
point of Heaven and Earth. From here, we can (eventually) see that 
all the states that led here -- T.C. or Turiya (Brahma-Vishnu-
Vishnu; B-V-V), C.C. or Rishi (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma; B-V-B) G. C. 
or Devata(Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva; B-V-S), and U.C. 
or Chandas(Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu; B-B-V) are but identification 
with a time-bound particle or I within Our wholeness. We have been 
approaching the Now from an (unconscious) identification with a 
particle on the Relative side. 

But in actuality, there has been a very simple, innocent, 
unqualified  Absolute side of Us approaching this Now as the 
Wholeness or container of the experience(s), in perfect reflection 
to the Relative side. When our particle-self thinks it is in T.C. (B-
V-V), our Wholeness is Mahaturiya (B-S-S); when our particle-self 
attains C.C. or Rishi (B-V-B), our Wholeness is Brahman itself: 
that particle's Witness, its Maharishi (B-S-B); when our 
particle-self attains G.C. or Devata (B-V-S), our Wholeness is 
that particle's loving Personal God or Krishna-Avatar, 
its Mahadevata (B-S-V); and when our particle-self attains U.C. 
or Chandas (B-B-V), our Wholeness is that particle's Shiva, 
its Mahachandas (B-B-S). 

These two sides -- the Absolute and the Relative, the Whole and 
the Particle -- culminate in their fusion in the mid-most state of 
Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B). The simple, ordinary, very quiet 
thought we had from the Absolute side with reference to nurturing 
our particles creates the intensely devotional appreciation of that 
thought from the Devata or sensory particle side, and the 
corresponding display of that thought as the Reality of the Outer, 
so that the rishi, devata, and chandas are fully appreciated as 
OneSelf. 

Thus we can say that C.C. is our particle's appreciation of our 
Brahman-Self; G.C. is our particle's appreciation of our Krishna-
Self, and U.C. is our particle's appreciation of our Shiva-Self -- 
all culminating in ourSelf as Brahma(n), the Perfect Light of the 
Sacred Heart. This is our natural, simple, a priori state of 
consciousness. This is what we have always been, and what we always 
will be, regardless of the stories our Wholeness and our particles 
have been telling us/themselves.

From here, the process continues -- with any and every particle we 
find within ourSelf. We first find ourselves identifying 
unconsciously with that particle, giving that particle unconscious 
sovereignty -- at this time the particle is in Ignorance in our 
Brahman. Then, we realize that this is not Us, but a particle within 
Us -- we then become that particle's Witness, its conscious Brahman -
- while it is identifying with C.C. Then, we give that particle our 
loving attention, warming it up into its a priori bliss, becoming 
its personal God or Avatar or Krishna, while it is identifying with 
G.C. Then it perceives its ultimate identity with us in Shiva/U.C., 
and we finally come back to primordial Radiant Self. We are 
constantly throwing off particles of not-self, and re-integrating 
them back into ourSelf, as pulsations of our Now into all 9 (and 
eventually 27) states -- this is how we learn to appreciate ourSelf 
and our various qualities...

Brahmarishi Indradevata Rudrachandas






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tehran and Damascus are gearing up for a pre-emptive Syrian attack

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter
 larry.potter@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   Appeal to FEAR, as usual.
  
  Fear ? B. take of your 'fear' type of glasses off and you 
  might see things differently... 
 
 Dude, almost everything you post here reeks of fear.
 You may choose to live in that mindset, but I do not.


it looks you are projecting your fears or agenda onto others  ...

Debka unique analytical sources have proved to me and other readers 
that their analytical view of current events and forward looking 
insights are to the point and precise.
I sure do hope that they are wrong on this one, or that new events 
will take place that will eliminate any future violence in the mid 
east.

barry, with your record of misinterpretation other people's words 
and intentions, why I'm not surprised that you are confused ?!









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 With deepest gratitude to MMY and Guru Dev, we wish to correct 
some 
 Understandings of Brahman we gave here last year. Within the 27 
 Nakshatra-states, the middle third or 9 central ones are those of 
 Brahma(n), or Light, or Consciousness:
 
 Brahma-Shiva-Shiva (B-S-S) or Mahaturiya
 Brahma-Shiva-Brahma (B-S-B) or Maharishi (Brahman)
 Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu (B-S-V) or Mahadevata (Krishna)
 Brahma-Brahma-Shiva (B-B-S) or Mahachandas (Shiva)
 Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B) or Solar Angel, Lamp at the Door
 Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu (B-B-V), or chandas (U.C.)
 Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva (B-V-S), or devata (G.C.)
 Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma (B-V-B), or rishi (C.C.)
 Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu (B-V-V), or turiya (T.C.)
 
 Within these 9, the centermost one is Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-
B), 
 the Lamp at the Door, the Solar Angel who resides in the Sacred 
 Heart (Solar Plexus) as the intermediary between the Absolute 
 (Rudra, Shiva, or Purusha) and the Relative (Indra, Vishnu or 
 Shakti). 
 
 In truth, this is the only state of Consciousness that actually 
 exists -- the supreme radiance of the perfect Now, the juncture-
 point of Heaven and Earth. From here, we can (eventually) see that 
 all the states that led here -- T.C. or Turiya (Brahma-Vishnu-
 Vishnu; B-V-V), C.C. or Rishi (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma; B-V-B) G. 
C. 
 or Devata(Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva; B-V-S), and U.C. 
 or Chandas(Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu; B-B-V) are but identification 
 with a time-bound particle or I within Our wholeness. We have 
been 
 approaching the Now from an (unconscious) identification with a 
 particle on the Relative side. 
 
 But in actuality, there has been a very simple, innocent, 
 unqualified  Absolute side of Us approaching this Now as the 
 Wholeness or container of the experience(s), in perfect 
reflection 
 to the Relative side. When our particle-self thinks it is in T.C. 
(B-
 V-V), our Wholeness is Mahaturiya (B-S-S); when our particle-
self 
 attains C.C. or Rishi (B-V-B), our Wholeness is Brahman itself: 
 that particle's Witness, its Maharishi (B-S-B); when our 
 particle-self attains G.C. or Devata (B-V-S), our Wholeness is 
 that particle's loving Personal God or Krishna-Avatar, 
 its Mahadevata (B-S-V); and when our particle-self attains U.C. 
 or Chandas (B-B-V), our Wholeness is that particle's Shiva, 
 its Mahachandas (B-B-S). 
 
 These two sides -- the Absolute and the Relative, the Whole and 
 the Particle -- culminate in their fusion in the mid-most state of 
 Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B). The simple, ordinary, very quiet 
 thought we had from the Absolute side with reference to nurturing 
 our particles creates the intensely devotional appreciation of 
that 
 thought from the Devata or sensory particle side, and the 
 corresponding display of that thought as the Reality of the Outer, 
 so that the rishi, devata, and chandas are fully appreciated as 
 OneSelf. 
 
 Thus we can say that C.C. is our particle's appreciation of our 
 Brahman-Self; G.C. is our particle's appreciation of our Krishna-
 Self, and U.C. is our particle's appreciation of our Shiva-Self -- 
 all culminating in ourSelf as Brahma(n), the Perfect Light of the 
 Sacred Heart. This is our natural, simple, a priori state of 
 consciousness. This is what we have always been, and what we 
always 
 will be, regardless of the stories our Wholeness and our particles 
 have been telling us/themselves.
 
 From here, the process continues -- with any and every particle we 
 find within ourSelf. We first find ourselves identifying 
 unconsciously with that particle, giving that particle unconscious 
 sovereignty -- at this time the particle is in Ignorance in our 
 Brahman. Then, we realize that this is not Us, but a particle 
within 
 Us -- we then become that particle's Witness, its conscious 
Brahman -
 - while it is identifying with C.C. Then, we give that particle 
our 
 loving attention, warming it up into its a priori bliss, becoming 
 its personal God or Avatar or Krishna, while it is identifying 
with 
 G.C. Then it perceives its ultimate identity with us in 
Shiva/U.C., 
 and we finally come back to primordial Radiant Self. We are 
 constantly throwing off particles of not-self, and re-integrating 
 them back into ourSelf, as pulsations of our Now into all 9 (and 
 eventually 27) states -- this is how we learn to appreciate 
ourSelf 
 and our various qualities...
 
 Brahmarishi Indradevata Rudrachandas


h, long time no see here; nice unfolding above...

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 http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7005128423


the cutie-patootie actor was recently 

that's funny, lol.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman

Hi Rory,

I understand you are participating in the current dome course. Have
you taken the opportunity to share your experiential insights, below,
with Maharishi? What were his comments?

If you have not shared with him, why the reluctance for such a nice
opportunity to manifestly express some of the gratitude you have?


new.morning (aka akasha)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 With deepest gratitude to MMY and Guru Dev, we wish to correct some 
 Understandings of Brahman we gave here last year. Within the 27 
 Nakshatra-states, the middle third or 9 central ones are those of 
 Brahma(n), or Light, or Consciousness:
 
 Brahma-Shiva-Shiva (B-S-S) or Mahaturiya
 Brahma-Shiva-Brahma (B-S-B) or Maharishi (Brahman)
 Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu (B-S-V) or Mahadevata (Krishna)
 Brahma-Brahma-Shiva (B-B-S) or Mahachandas (Shiva)
 Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B) or Solar Angel, Lamp at the Door
 Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu (B-B-V), or chandas (U.C.)
 Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva (B-V-S), or devata (G.C.)
 Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma (B-V-B), or rishi (C.C.)
 Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu (B-V-V), or turiya (T.C.)
 
 Within these 9, the centermost one is Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B), 
 the Lamp at the Door, the Solar Angel who resides in the Sacred 
 Heart (Solar Plexus) as the intermediary between the Absolute 
 (Rudra, Shiva, or Purusha) and the Relative (Indra, Vishnu or 
 Shakti). 
 
 In truth, this is the only state of Consciousness that actually 
 exists -- the supreme radiance of the perfect Now, the juncture-
 point of Heaven and Earth. From here, we can (eventually) see that 
 all the states that led here -- T.C. or Turiya (Brahma-Vishnu-
 Vishnu; B-V-V), C.C. or Rishi (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma; B-V-B) G. C. 
 or Devata(Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva; B-V-S), and U.C. 
 or Chandas(Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu; B-B-V) are but identification 
 with a time-bound particle or I within Our wholeness. We have been 
 approaching the Now from an (unconscious) identification with a 
 particle on the Relative side. 
 
 But in actuality, there has been a very simple, innocent, 
 unqualified  Absolute side of Us approaching this Now as the 
 Wholeness or container of the experience(s), in perfect reflection 
 to the Relative side. When our particle-self thinks it is in T.C. (B-
 V-V), our Wholeness is Mahaturiya (B-S-S); when our particle-self 
 attains C.C. or Rishi (B-V-B), our Wholeness is Brahman itself: 
 that particle's Witness, its Maharishi (B-S-B); when our 
 particle-self attains G.C. or Devata (B-V-S), our Wholeness is 
 that particle's loving Personal God or Krishna-Avatar, 
 its Mahadevata (B-S-V); and when our particle-self attains U.C. 
 or Chandas (B-B-V), our Wholeness is that particle's Shiva, 
 its Mahachandas (B-B-S). 
 
 These two sides -- the Absolute and the Relative, the Whole and 
 the Particle -- culminate in their fusion in the mid-most state of 
 Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B). The simple, ordinary, very quiet 
 thought we had from the Absolute side with reference to nurturing 
 our particles creates the intensely devotional appreciation of that 
 thought from the Devata or sensory particle side, and the 
 corresponding display of that thought as the Reality of the Outer, 
 so that the rishi, devata, and chandas are fully appreciated as 
 OneSelf. 
 
 Thus we can say that C.C. is our particle's appreciation of our 
 Brahman-Self; G.C. is our particle's appreciation of our Krishna-
 Self, and U.C. is our particle's appreciation of our Shiva-Self -- 
 all culminating in ourSelf as Brahma(n), the Perfect Light of the 
 Sacred Heart. This is our natural, simple, a priori state of 
 consciousness. This is what we have always been, and what we always 
 will be, regardless of the stories our Wholeness and our particles 
 have been telling us/themselves.
 
 From here, the process continues -- with any and every particle we 
 find within ourSelf. We first find ourselves identifying 
 unconsciously with that particle, giving that particle unconscious 
 sovereignty -- at this time the particle is in Ignorance in our 
 Brahman. Then, we realize that this is not Us, but a particle within 
 Us -- we then become that particle's Witness, its conscious Brahman -
 - while it is identifying with C.C. Then, we give that particle our 
 loving attention, warming it up into its a priori bliss, becoming 
 its personal God or Avatar or Krishna, while it is identifying with 
 G.C. Then it perceives its ultimate identity with us in Shiva/U.C., 
 and we finally come back to primordial Radiant Self. We are 
 constantly throwing off particles of not-self, and re-integrating 
 them back into ourSelf, as pulsations of our Now into all 9 (and 
 eventually 27) states -- this is how we learn to appreciate ourSelf 
 and our various qualities...
 
 Brahmarishi Indradevata Rudrachandas








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Apologies for my directness, if you find such not pleasing.

For me, your posts have always had a Theosophy Society flavor -- I
presume thats your path of integrating your past studies and models
with presentness. Experientially, I have always found the Theosopy
flavor of their books and your posts to be detailed spider webs --
along the lines of  stories our Wholeness and our particles have been
telling us/themselves that prolong the estrangment from This is what
we have always been, and what we always will be. 

And paticles within Brahman,  and one being the Brahman for others
or particles -- such notions bespeak a quite different, and IMO,
limited Brahman. 

The thing is, IT IS. In my experience, there is no some of IT, or
partial Brahmans as background for someones partial awareness --
unless the experience and/or imagination of IT is in some quite
limited ways.
 
 From here, the process continues -- with any and every particle we 
 find within ourSelf. 

I know Self -- or in this case ourSelf, are words english
translators  use for what sanskrit texts (hardly the only ones that
dwell on such) term Atman and Brahman. But Self has always seemed 
bogus or foreign from the experience. IT IS, and has nothing to do
with individuality which is a mirage. Or an individuality owning
Brahman. The individuality never becomes Brahman, an individuality
never becomes enlightened, IT IS. 

 We first
 find ourselves identifying 

And who is the we (kimosobe? :)) and why did this finding come
first ? :)

 unconsciously with that particle, giving that particle unconscious 
 sovereignty -- at this time the particle is in Ignorance in our 
 Brahman. 

your brahaman -- if an individuality is claiming Brahman, that is a
different IT than has proclaimed ITself Here and NOW.

 Then, we realize that this is not Us, but a particle within 
 Us -- we then become that particle's Witness, its conscious Brahman 

That particle is as Whole as This particle. The rock is as whole as
the see-er of the rock. IT IS. 

 - while it is identifying with C.C. Then, we give that particle our 
 loving attention, warming it up into its a priori bliss, becoming 
 its personal God or Avatar or Krishna, while it is identifying with 
 G.C. Then it perceives its ultimate identity with us in Shiva/U.C., 
 and we finally come back to primordial Radiant Self. We are 
 constantly throwing off particles of not-self, and re-integrating 
 them back into ourSelf, as pulsations of our Now into all 9 (and 
 eventually 27) states -- this is how we learn to appreciate ourSelf 
 and our various qualities...

More nice stories. To keep IT from IT. haha.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Quote of the Day

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
  wrote:
  
   
   On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:28 AM, authfriend wrote:
  snip
And it would have been Really, Really Stupid for him to
have tried to hang onto his job in the face of all the
revelations (and more he must have known would be coming
out).  He didn't have a whole lot of choice about
resigning.
   
   I agree, I wasn't thinking so much about resigning as about
   what he hasn't been doing: blaming others, calling the pages
   ugly names, etc.
  
  True, good point.  He (or at least his lawyer) has been
  not just explicit but insistent that he takes all the
  responsibility himself.
 
 I agree that he has stayed out of the spotlight, however regarding 
 taking personal responsibility, what I have heard from him was that 
 he wrote these IMs because: 1) He is gay, 2)He is an alcoholic 3)He 
 was abused by a priest when younger, which all sound like excuses
 to me. In all seriousness, maybe this is what passes for taking 
 responsibility among our public officials these days.

Actually, I think that's what you've read
or heard that he said. In fact, Foley himself
hasn't said anything.  His lawyer gave a press
conference and said *explicitly and insistently*
(as I wrote above) that Foley does NOT blame
his behavior on his alcoholism or his earlier
molestation, and certainly not on his
homosexuality.  The media has chosen to ignore
this and claim instead that he *did* blame his
alcoholism and abuse.  (I don't think anybody
has said he blames it on his homosexuality.)

You can decide for yourself whether he had his
lawyer mention his alcoholism, abuse, and
homosexuality as excuses or as explanations
(two different things), but the media should have
made it clear what he actually had his lawyer
say, just in simple fairness.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death

2006-10-10 Thread rule2148

I don't think the Christian focus is on death so much as on what 
that suffering and death accomplished.  To put it in eastern terms, 
Christ took on the karma of his followers and dissolved it for all 
time.  This act of absolution required great suffering and the 
ultimate sacrifice to pay the price.  For Maharishi to blithely say 
that Jesus didn't suffer seems a bit odd considering he tells the 
tale of Guru Dev suffering from disease as penance for the world's 
karma.  The idea that one's guru can suffer to take on the karma of 
disciples is as old as the tradition TM comes from.  The Christian 
conversion experience is often discussed as a lifting off of a great 
and heretofor unexperience weight as the load of karma is shifted 
from the Christian to Christ.  An Indian friend of mine who 
converted from Hinduism to Christianity says that his discussions 
with his family usually come to this point: As a Hindu you might 
have to go through untold lifetimes to get rid of all your karma but 
as a Christian it is gone in this lifetime.  Thus, Christians honor 
the act that frees them from the almost impossible task of removing 
one's own bad karma.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Well, Maharishi as the display of the absolute on the relative is 
pretty fascinating, and really isn't helpful with all lifes little 
tediums. He doesn't have the skillful means for his yogasta kuru 
karmani. After all, who cares really about how the self referencial 
dynamics of the lime flavor prion binding virtual quarks spring into 
duality at the planc scale, and all that rubbish. All that shit is 
doing is giving the government ideas for warfare. Just wait til they 
figure sound is the key and blow down shit with huge speakers, zero 
point, yikes. Stay spiritual where morality is alligned with 
development. I mean, as research fine, but not as a moral code. 
Science is divorced from ethics in that a machine can be easily 
turned on. By good or bad.  But on the other hand, if you believe in 
the Dark Lodge, ala Alice Bailey then it doesn't matter what the 
means, the race is on. 
   - Original Message - 
   From: akasha_108 
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:43 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
 
 
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 SNIP 
 Yeah I thought the whole point was that he came back from 
the dead, 
 or more specifically, ascended, so why keep him in death, 
so 
 weird. They always want to say how Christ died for our 
sins , I 
 mean get over it, he ain't suffering now.The whole point of 
dying 
 seems lost... ie resurection, eternal life. That should be 
the 
 focus: ascension  eternal life



Maharishi has always rejected the notion of any suffering on 
the part 
of Jesus: It's a pity that Christ is talked of in terms of 
suffering.
those who count upon the suffering, it is a wrong 
interpretation of the 
life of Christ and the message of Christ.How could suffering 
be 
associated with the One who has been all joy, all bliss, who 
claims all 
that? It's only the misunderstanding of the life of Christ.

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 
pp. 123-124
 
   The same little book that sings the glories of the caste system 
and
   its inherent discrimnation and exploitation.
 
   The exposure that little book got was pretty cool though. It was
   showcased in point of purchase displays at the cash register at 
many
   book stores in 1968. An impulse purchase  item. Too bad it was 
not a
   better collection of lectures. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Quote of the Day

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 10/9/06 5:51:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  salsunshine@ writes:
  
  It's  amazing.  Six years of a Republican majority in
  the White  House, the House and the Senate, and all you've got is 
 fear.
  Ill. Rep.  Rahm Emanuel
  
  
  
  I liked his quote from This Week with Georgie Stephanopolous.
  When Asked if he was aware the E-mails of Foley's before the
  story broke, he  said  I never saw them. When pressed again
  by Stephie if he had been  aware of them he repeated  I never
  saw them. He would not deny that he  knew about them, only 
  that he had not seen them. I guess he learned that from his
  boss. I guess that depends on what the meaning of is is.
 
 Man, I have to hope you're just the innocent
 dupe here.
 
 Stephanopoulos works at ABC.

I misread.  It wasn't Stephanopoulos but Rahm Emanuel
who said he hadn't read the emails.  Again, though,
it's not at all unlikely that word started getting
around D.C. just as Ross was preparing his story for
ABC, and if Emanuel had admitted he'd heard about them,
the Republicans would have tried to smear him with the
nitwit Democratic plot accusation.

It's too bad that you have to worry about being
forthright because you know the Republicans will try
to turn the truth against you, but that's the way it
is these days.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Quote of the Day

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
salsunshine@ 
   wrote:
   

On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:28 AM, authfriend wrote:
   snip
 And it would have been Really, Really Stupid for him to
 have tried to hang onto his job in the face of all the
 revelations (and more he must have known would be coming
 out).  He didn't have a whole lot of choice about
 resigning.

I agree, I wasn't thinking so much about resigning as about
what he hasn't been doing: blaming others, calling the pages
ugly names, etc.
   
   True, good point.  He (or at least his lawyer) has been
   not just explicit but insistent that he takes all the
   responsibility himself.
  
  I agree that he has stayed out of the spotlight, however 
regarding 
  taking personal responsibility, what I have heard from him was 
that 
  he wrote these IMs because: 1) He is gay, 2)He is an alcoholic 3)
He 
  was abused by a priest when younger, which all sound like excuses
  to me. In all seriousness, maybe this is what passes for taking 
  responsibility among our public officials these days.
 
 Actually, I think that's what you've read
 or heard that he said. In fact, Foley himself
 hasn't said anything.  His lawyer gave a press
 conference and said *explicitly and insistently*
 (as I wrote above) that Foley does NOT blame
 his behavior on his alcoholism or his earlier
 molestation, and certainly not on his
 homosexuality.  The media has chosen to ignore
 this and claim instead that he *did* blame his
 alcoholism and abuse.  (I don't think anybody
 has said he blames it on his homosexuality.)
 
 You can decide for yourself whether he had his
 lawyer mention his alcoholism, abuse, and
 homosexuality as excuses or as explanations
 (two different things), but the media should have
 made it clear what he actually had his lawyer
 say, just in simple fairness.

Yep, you are right- I haven't heard Foley say anything...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman

2006-10-10 Thread Rory Goff

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Rory,
 
 I understand you are participating in the current dome course. Have
 you taken the opportunity to share your experiential insights, below,
 with Maharishi? What were his comments?
 
 If you have not shared with him, why the reluctance for such a nice
 opportunity to manifestly express some of the gratitude you have?

Hi akasha. Thanks for the questions. Maharishi is my Guru Dev; he is 
my true I and knows me better than I know myself. He created me, he 
sustains me, he destroys me. I attended the course for two weeks while 
this Understanding was driven home deeper and deeper every day. 
Without my saying a word, my (his) every thought, word and experience 
was commented upon, verified, and deepened by him. The intimate play 
between the Wholeness and the particle is heart-breaking in its 
innocence and simple splendor. His love and grace are boundless; in 
knowing him even to whatever small degree I do, I am exalted and 
humbled beyond measure. And all of this is perfectly ordinary.

I have posted this material here only to clarify and correct some of 
the finer details of the unfoldment of Brahman I gave here last year. 
I am not interested in debating or discussing them particularly. They 
were simply some loose ends that had to be tied up. 

All glory to Guru Dev

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer 
jeffcandace@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7005128423
 
 
 the cutie-patootie actor was recently 
 
 that's funny, lol.


It is.

Sadly, it's also unfair. Both Cruise and Brad Pitt don't get enough 
credit for their acting because of their good looks.

In fact, I believe that Tom Cruise should have got the Oscar 
for Rain Man instead of Dustin Hoffman.  His straight man role 
was much harder and more complex to do than the predictable 
handicapped spotlight role Hoffman got.

And I'm amazed at how good Pitt is in things such as Snatch where 
he played a mumbling Irish Gypsy prizefighter or Troy in which he 
played Achilles where his physicality alone should have won him the 
Oscar.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rule2148 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't think the Christian focus is on death so much as on what 
 that suffering and death accomplished.  To put it in eastern 
terms, 
 Christ took on the karma of his followers and dissolved it for all 
 time.  This act of absolution required great suffering and the 
 ultimate sacrifice to pay the price.  For Maharishi to blithely 
say 
 that Jesus didn't suffer seems a bit odd considering he tells the 
 tale of Guru Dev suffering from disease as penance for the world's 
 karma.  





I've never heard MMY say that Guru Dev suffered from disease as 
penance for the world's karma.

But even if he did, it wouldn't take away from his great 
pronouncements on Jesus and that Jesus did not suffer.  I totally 
agree with the assessment that Christianity puts too much emphasis 
on the suffering of Jesus and that he did not suffer.

As for the taking on of karma for all mankind: of course he did. And 
that's an experience that awaits all human beings.  But it is an 
experience that occurs at the doorstep of the absolute.  It's not 
something that you magically get by declaring I accept Jesus Christ 
as my personal Lord and Savior.  That's just a marketing ploy to 
get more members for your club; it has absolutely nothing -- zero, 
zippo -- to do with either Jesus Christ or the practise of 
Christianity.

And bravo to MMY for saying what he did.









The idea that one's guru can suffer to take on the karma of 
 disciples is as old as the tradition TM comes from.  The Christian 
 conversion experience is often discussed as a lifting off of a 
great 
 and heretofor unexperience weight as the load of karma is shifted 
 from the Christian to Christ.  An Indian friend of mine who 
 converted from Hinduism to Christianity says that his discussions 
 with his family usually come to this point: As a Hindu you might 
 have to go through untold lifetimes to get rid of all your karma 
but 
 as a Christian it is gone in this lifetime.  Thus, Christians 
honor 
 the act that frees them from the almost impossible task of 
removing 
 one's own bad karma.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe rudra_joe@ 
 wrote:
 
  Well, Maharishi as the display of the absolute on the relative 
is 
 pretty fascinating, and really isn't helpful with all lifes little 
 tediums. He doesn't have the skillful means for his yogasta kuru 
 karmani. After all, who cares really about how the self 
referencial 
 dynamics of the lime flavor prion binding virtual quarks spring 
into 
 duality at the planc scale, and all that rubbish. All that shit is 
 doing is giving the government ideas for warfare. Just wait til 
they 
 figure sound is the key and blow down shit with huge speakers, 
zero 
 point, yikes. Stay spiritual where morality is alligned with 
 development. I mean, as research fine, but not as a moral code. 
 Science is divorced from ethics in that a machine can be easily 
 turned on. By good or bad.  But on the other hand, if you believe 
in 
 the Dark Lodge, ala Alice Bailey then it doesn't matter what the 
 means, the race is on. 
- Original Message - 
From: akasha_108 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:43 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
  
  
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  SNIP 
  Yeah I thought the whole point was that he came back from 
 the dead, 
  or more specifically, ascended, so why keep him in 
death, 
 so 
  weird. They always want to say how Christ died for our 
 sins , I 
  mean get over it, he ain't suffering now.The whole point 
of 
 dying 
  seems lost... ie resurection, eternal life. That should be 
 the 
  focus: ascension  eternal life
 
 
 
 Maharishi has always rejected the notion of any suffering on 
 the part 
 of Jesus: It's a pity that Christ is talked of in terms of 
 suffering.
 those who count upon the suffering, it is a wrong 
 interpretation of the 
 life of Christ and the message of Christ.How could suffering 
 be 
 associated with the One who has been all joy, all bliss, who 
 claims all 
 that? It's only the misunderstanding of the life of Christ.
 
 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 
 pp. 123-124
  
The same little book that sings the glories of the caste 
system 
 and
its inherent discrimnation and exploitation.
  
The exposure that little book got was pretty cool though. It 
was
showcased in point of purchase displays at the cash register 
at 
 many
book stores in 1968. An impulse purchase  item. Too bad it was 
 not a
better collection of lectures. 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

'SCARY MOVIE' PRODUCER MAKES CAMPAIGN AD; MOCKS DEMOCRATSTue Oct 10 2006 15:13:16 ET**Exclusive**The DRUDGE REPORT has obtained an exclusive copy of a "scary" campaign advertisement created by Hollywood producer and director David Zucker that was intended to be used by GOP organizations in the closing weeks of the 2006 campaign. However, the advertisement was deemed "too hot" by GOP strategists all across Washington, DC who have refused to use it![VIDEO LINK] In the ad, Zucker, producer of SCARY MOVIE 4, recreates former Clinton Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's 2000 visit to North Korea. During the visit, Secretary Albright presented North Korean dictator Kim Jong Il with a basketball autographed by former NBA superstar Michael Jordan. An actress playing Secretary Albright is shown presenting Kim Jong Il with the Michael Jordan basketball, painting the walls of Osama bin Laden's Afghanistan cave and turning a blind eye to suicide bombers. In one scene her skirt rips as she changes the tire of a Middle Eastern dictator's limousine.One GOP strategist said "jaws dropped" when the ad was first viewed. "Nobody could believe Zucker thought any political organization could use this ad. It makes a point, but it's way over the top." Zucker is the producer and director of comedies such as "Airplane" and "The Naked Gun." In 2004, Zucker, a longtime Democrat, embraced the Republican Party based on concerns he had about national security issues and voted for President George W. Bush. Developing...

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[FairfieldLife] The Departed

Anyone seen Scorcese's new movie?

Saw it last night.  Probably his best since Casino, which I loved.

Mark Wahlberg is the best thing in it; Leonardo DiCaprio isn't.  As a 
child star he was quite good; now, his method of acting seems to be 
limited to how much he scowls or furrows his brow.

Good story, well paced.  Better than 90% of the stuff out there, but 
not like the classical Scorcese mob movie, although this is all about 
the Mob.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: cosmic ripples

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beyond the event horizon, and if that description is 
changed them it is nothing more than a glorified neutron 
star. 

The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON.
   
   Actually, classical black hole theory says that the laws of 
  physics do not apply at the 
   singularity at the center of mass. I have never heard a theory 
  claim that they don't apply 
   beyond the event horizon, 
  
  
  Well now you have:
  According to Roger Penrose's Principle of Cosmic Censorship, 
the 
  fact that the laws of physics break down inside the event 
horizon 
  has no impact on the physics outside the black hole 
  
  
http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/bh_structur
  e.htm
  
 
 
 YOu gotta learn to stop selectively reading. Here is what that URL 
actually says. Note that 
 it says explicitly that: At the center of the black hole lies a 
singularity, that is, a region 
 where the current laws of physics break down because the 
circumstances are so extreme.


Sir Roger Penrose is very clear on this. 
According to Roger Penrose's Principle of Cosmic Censorship, the 
fact that the laws of physics break down inside the event horizon 
has no impact on the physics outside the black hole 


that AFTER the Planck era 9for a few nanoseconds, the 
  laws of PHYSICS DO NOT WORK. The same is true in many 
macroscopic 
  examples. There is a whole binary star system that has baffled 
  scientists because it in no way shape or form adheres to the 
known 
  laws of physics. 
  
 Hmmm... Reference? 
 
 And, it there are myriad books out there about the oddities that 
existed, according to 
 theory, during the first few seconds of Existence. We're not 
talking about that OR about 
 the singularity, but about the conditions inside the event horizon 
and outside the 
 singularity region.


Um, a singularity is a singularity. Beyond the event horizon the 
laws of physics break down

Mathematically, as we look back in time, we can determine that the 
laws of nature completely break down at 10 to the minus 43rd power 
of a second (Planck time) after the creation event.


 
 You're familiar, of course, with the mathematical truism that if 
the universe is closed it is, 
 by definition, a universe-sized black hole, yes? 

Um...reference please.

If conditions inside a black hole were 
 automatically different than outside, our physical laws couldn't 
work if the universe was 
 closed.

Um...reference please.


You are making the mistake that you think the event horizon is just 
some region of space like any other. There would be an immediate 
change to infinite gravity, and zero time, which even before 
infinity is reached the laws of physics will not work as expected. 
The event horizon is that point at which the physics breaks:

Recall that a black hole has a singularity at its center which is 
cloaked by an event horizon. The radius of the event horizon is the 
Schwarschild radius === R(Sch) = 2 G M / c**2 . 
Recall that it is good that the singularity is hidden from our 
Universe by the event horizon as interesting (and odd) things can 
happen near the singularity.   
So now ask the question of what happens if you merge the ideas of QM 
with the ideas of Einstein (GR)? Well, suppose that 
W(Compton) ~ R(Sch) 
so that the uncertainty in the position of the singularity becomes 
comparable to the radius of the event horizon. This will uncloak the 
singularity!! On this scale, the structure of space-time becomes 
poorly defined and general relativity (as formulated) must break 
down.   
Planck Scales 
This breakdown occurs for masses known as the Planck mass which is 
defined as 

Planck mass = M(P) = sqrt[hc/(2G)] ~ 5.5 x 10**(-5) grams 

For reference purposes: m(proton) = 1.7 x 10**(-24) grams and m
(electron) = 9.1 x 10**(-28) grams 

The W(Compton) and R(Sch) which correspond to the Planck mass is 

W(Compton) = h/mc = R(Sch) = 2GM/c**2 = 4 x 10**(-33) cm  

http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~imamura/209/apr5/planck.html


Now, I have given half a dozen references for my points. You have 
given none. Lets see you back up your sentences now with references.

OffWorld








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Frankenfood goes nanotech

2006-10-10 Thread bob_brigante

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
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  http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/10/technology/10nano.html
  
  So far, there have been no confirmed reports of public health or 
  environmental problems related to nanotechnology. But troubling 
  laboratory tests suggest some nanoscale particles may pose novel 
health 
  risks by, for instance, slipping easily past barriers to the 
brain that 
  keep larger particles out. Thus, the same attributes that could 
make 
  the technology valuable for delivering drugs could also make it 
  hazardous.
 
 
 Actually, I recall some issue with nano-tech particles used in 
window cleaners, so I think the 
 article is incorrect.
 
 slashdot.org had an article about it at least 6 months ago, I think.





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However, the advertisement was deemed 
  "too hot" by GOP strategists all across Washington, DC who have refused to use 
  it![VIDEO LINK] 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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snip
 Sadly, it's also unfair. Both Cruise and Brad Pitt don't get enough 
 credit for their acting because of their good looks.

I don't care much for Cruise, but I'm a huge
Pitt fan.  My favorite film of his is Meet Joe
Black. It's very long and very slow and very
talky, and you have to be *very* relaxed to sit
through it. But he has some genuinely transcendent
scenes that give me goose bumps.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

2006-10-10 Thread Bhairitu

shempmcgurk wrote:
 'SCARY MOVIE' PRODUCER MAKES CAMPAIGN AD; MOCKS DEMOCRATS
 Tue Oct 10 2006 15:13:16 ET

 **Exclusive**

 The DRUDGE REPORT has obtained an exclusive copy of a scary campaign
 advertisement created by Hollywood producer and director David Zucker
 that was intended to be used by GOP organizations in the closing weeks
 of the 2006 campaign.

 However, the advertisement was deemed too hot by GOP strategists all
 across Washington, DC who have refused to use it!

 [VIDEO LINK] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h3GPc_yMCE

 In the ad, Zucker, producer of SCARY MOVIE 4, recreates former Clinton
 Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's 2000 visit to North Korea.
 During the visit, Secretary Albright presented North Korean dictator Kim
 Jong Il with a basketball autographed by former NBA superstar Michael
 Jordan.

 An actress playing Secretary Albright is shown presenting Kim Jong Il
 with the Michael Jordan basketball, painting the walls of Osama bin
 Laden's Afghanistan cave and turning a blind eye to suicide bombers. In
 one scene her skirt rips as she changes the tire of a Middle Eastern
 dictator's limousine.

 One GOP strategist said jaws dropped when the ad was first viewed.
 Nobody could believe Zucker thought any political organization could
 use this ad. It makes a point, but it's way over the top.

 Zucker is the producer and director of comedies such as Airplane and
 The Naked Gun. In 2004, Zucker, a longtime Democrat, embraced the
 Republican Party based on concerns he had about national security issues
 and voted for President George W. Bush.

 Developing...

   
Stupid ad, the GOP was smart not to use it.  The fact is the Bush 
administration ignored outcries to keep an eye on North Korea and get 
some talks going.   But gotta be macho Georgie said he wasn't going to 
continue any talks even though the Clinton era talks with North Korea 
prevented nuclear development.  We might be better giving Jong Il access 
to a Hollywood studio where he'll totally forget about being a dictator 
and indulge his dream of being a movie director.   And make Jenna 
Jamison the ambassador to North Korea since Jong Il is also a big porn 
fan.  By the time he finished his film North Korea would probably be 
part of South Korea.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
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 snip
  Sadly, it's also unfair. Both Cruise and Brad Pitt don't get 
enough 
  credit for their acting because of their good looks.
 
 I don't care much for Cruise, but I'm a huge
 Pitt fan.  My favorite film of his is Meet Joe
 Black. It's very long and very slow and very
 talky, and you have to be *very* relaxed to sit
 through it. But he has some genuinely transcendent
 scenes that give me goose bumps.


I enjoyed that film, too.

Funnily, the thing that strikes me most in that film is the scene 
near the beginning where the pre-death Pitt character gets hit by a 
bus.  It's one of the most real and horrific scenes I have ever seen 
at the movies.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death

2006-10-10 Thread Robert Gimbel

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mark robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Mar 31, 2005, at 11:36 AM, mark robert wrote:
 
 ut such a violent symbol is so attractive to societies like ours
 that are so obsessed with violence. Think of the crucifixion as a
 barometer for the general state of mental health; as long as the
 symbol stands, so does the mass-neurosis. Good luck removing this
 major cultural icon of the West.
 
The crucifixion was devised as a method of terror and execution by the
Roman's; it's message:
Follow the rules, or else this will happen to you, also.
Many thousands of Jews were executed this way.
So, it is the symbol of our culture, that life is suffering, and then
you die.
You don't resurrect- only Jesus can do that...
So, the whole teaching of Jesus, got perverted, in so many ways...
As a matter of fact; 
All of the teachings of the Masters, whether it be Buddha, or all of
the rest, are interpreted by the unenlightened followers.
So, what do you expect.
After all, Bush thinks that Jesus told him to invade Iraq...
Jesus has been used to justify all kinds of demonic actions...
Didn't those Jesus folks used to burn witches at the stake.
Now, there's a spiritual ceremony!
R.G.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death

2006-10-10 Thread Marek Reavis

Very succinct summary.  Thanks.  

I feel much the same -- both about the subject, and Maharishi's
teachings regarding Jesus' status and, consequently, his
consciousness.  That simple and important 'revision' of Christianity
by Maharishi allowed him (IMO) to make his intitial inroads and
successes in the West*, or at least overcome intitial knee-jerk
dismissals from the Christian perspective until the positive effects
of the meditation itself overcame such suspicions.  

Yogananda had done that also, incorporating Jesus and his teachings
into the SRF (and by extension, Hinduism itself), but he did it on a
Christian-bhakti footing.  Maharishi did it in a purely intellectual
way that made perfect, immediate sense, was at the same time very
respectful of Christianity and Jesus, but also implicitly
incorporated/subsumed Christianity into the meta-philosophy of TM and
Maharishi's brand/lineage of Advaita Vedanta.  Really masterful teaching.

Little bit harder position to maintain with the present semi-Sai Baba
Hindu veneer of the TMO.

Thanks, again.

**

*The actual technique might have had some influence on people's
acceptance of what Maharishi was teaching, too.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rule2148 pbtown@ wrote:
 
  I don't think the Christian focus is on death so much as on what 
  that suffering and death accomplished.  To put it in eastern 
 terms, 
  Christ took on the karma of his followers and dissolved it for all 
  time.  This act of absolution required great suffering and the 
  ultimate sacrifice to pay the price.  For Maharishi to blithely 
 say 
  that Jesus didn't suffer seems a bit odd considering he tells the 
  tale of Guru Dev suffering from disease as penance for the world's 
  karma.  
 
 
 
 
 
 I've never heard MMY say that Guru Dev suffered from disease as 
 penance for the world's karma.
 
 But even if he did, it wouldn't take away from his great 
 pronouncements on Jesus and that Jesus did not suffer.  I totally 
 agree with the assessment that Christianity puts too much emphasis 
 on the suffering of Jesus and that he did not suffer.
 
 As for the taking on of karma for all mankind: of course he did. And 
 that's an experience that awaits all human beings.  But it is an 
 experience that occurs at the doorstep of the absolute.  It's not 
 something that you magically get by declaring I accept Jesus Christ 
 as my personal Lord and Savior.  That's just a marketing ploy to 
 get more members for your club; it has absolutely nothing -- zero, 
 zippo -- to do with either Jesus Christ or the practise of 
 Christianity.
 
 And bravo to MMY for saying what he did.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 The idea that one's guru can suffer to take on the karma of 
  disciples is as old as the tradition TM comes from.  The Christian 
  conversion experience is often discussed as a lifting off of a 
 great 
  and heretofor unexperience weight as the load of karma is shifted 
  from the Christian to Christ.  An Indian friend of mine who 
  converted from Hinduism to Christianity says that his discussions 
  with his family usually come to this point: As a Hindu you might 
  have to go through untold lifetimes to get rid of all your karma 
 but 
  as a Christian it is gone in this lifetime.  Thus, Christians 
 honor 
  the act that frees them from the almost impossible task of 
 removing 
  one's own bad karma.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe rudra_joe@ 
  wrote:
  
   Well, Maharishi as the display of the absolute on the relative 
 is 
  pretty fascinating, and really isn't helpful with all lifes little 
  tediums. He doesn't have the skillful means for his yogasta kuru 
  karmani. After all, who cares really about how the self 
 referencial 
  dynamics of the lime flavor prion binding virtual quarks spring 
 into 
  duality at the planc scale, and all that rubbish. All that shit is 
  doing is giving the government ideas for warfare. Just wait til 
 they 
  figure sound is the key and blow down shit with huge speakers, 
 zero 
  point, yikes. Stay spiritual where morality is alligned with 
  development. I mean, as research fine, but not as a moral code. 
  Science is divorced from ethics in that a machine can be easily 
  turned on. By good or bad.  But on the other hand, if you believe 
 in 
  the Dark Lodge, ala Alice Bailey then it doesn't matter what the 
  means, the race is on. 
 - Original Message - 
 From: akasha_108 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:43 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
   
   
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   SNIP 
   Yeah I thought the whole point was that he came back from 
  the dead, 
   or more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
 snip
  Sadly, it's also unfair. Both Cruise and Brad Pitt don't get 
enough 
  credit for their acting because of their good looks.
 
 I don't care much for Cruise, but I'm a huge
 Pitt fan.  My favorite film of his is Meet Joe
 Black. It's very long and very slow and very
 talky, and you have to be *very* relaxed to sit
 through it. But he has some genuinely transcendent
 scenes that give me goose bumps.


was a bit stretchy but along side Anthony Hopkins,  you can't go 
wrong now, can you.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mark robert colowe@ 
wrote:
 
  
  On Mar 31, 2005, at 11:36 AM, mark robert wrote:
  
  ut such a violent symbol is so attractive to societies like ours
  that are so obsessed with violence. Think of the crucifixion as a
  barometer for the general state of mental health; as long as the
  symbol stands, so does the mass-neurosis. Good luck removing this
  major cultural icon of the West.
  
 The crucifixion was devised as a method of terror and execution by 
the
 Roman's; it's message:
 Follow the rules, or else this will happen to you, also.
 Many thousands of Jews were executed this way.
 So, it is the symbol of our culture, that life is suffering, and 
then
 you die.
 You don't resurrect- only Jesus can do that...
 So, the whole teaching of Jesus, got perverted, in so many ways...
 As a matter of fact; 
 All of the teachings of the Masters, whether it be Buddha, or all 
of
 the rest, are interpreted by the unenlightened followers.
 So, what do you expect.
 After all, Bush thinks that Jesus told him to invade Iraq...

Bullshit.

Everybody knows Little Debbie told him to do it.



 Jesus has been used to justify all kinds of demonic actions...
 Didn't those Jesus folks used to burn witches at the stake.
 Now, there's a spiritual ceremony!
 R.G.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Very succinct summary.  Thanks.  
 
 I feel much the same -- both about the subject, and Maharishi's
 teachings regarding Jesus' status and, consequently, his
 consciousness.  That simple and important 'revision' of 
Christianity
 by Maharishi allowed him (IMO) to make his intitial inroads and
 successes in the West*, or at least overcome intitial knee-jerk
 dismissals from the Christian perspective until the positive 
effects
 of the meditation itself overcame such suspicions.  
 
 Yogananda had done that also, incorporating Jesus and his teachings
 into the SRF (and by extension, Hinduism itself), but he did it on 
a
 Christian-bhakti footing.  Maharishi did it in a purely 
intellectual
 way that made perfect, immediate sense, was at the same time very
 respectful of Christianity and Jesus, but also implicitly
 incorporated/subsumed Christianity into the meta-philosophy of TM 
and
 Maharishi's brand/lineage of Advaita Vedanta.  Really masterful 
teaching.
 
 Little bit harder position to maintain with the present semi-Sai 
Baba
 Hindu veneer of the TMO.
 
 Thanks, again.
 
 **
 
 *The actual technique might have had some influence on people's
 acceptance of what Maharishi was teaching, too.



I've also found Muktananda's comments and observations about Jesus 
and suffering to be very profound...and almost identical to MMY's.

At the risk of being reminded by a FFL participant, once again, that 
Muktananda was a pedophile rapist (as inevitably happens every time 
I bring his name up), I will, time willing, reproduce some excerpts 
from some of his books on the subject 'cause they're really 
wonderful.



 
 ***
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rule2148 pbtown@ wrote:
  
   I don't think the Christian focus is on death so much as on 
what 
   that suffering and death accomplished.  To put it in eastern 
  terms, 
   Christ took on the karma of his followers and dissolved it for 
all 
   time.  This act of absolution required great suffering and the 
   ultimate sacrifice to pay the price.  For Maharishi to 
blithely 
  say 
   that Jesus didn't suffer seems a bit odd considering he tells 
the 
   tale of Guru Dev suffering from disease as penance for the 
world's 
   karma.  
  
  
  
  
  
  I've never heard MMY say that Guru Dev suffered from disease as 
  penance for the world's karma.
  
  But even if he did, it wouldn't take away from his great 
  pronouncements on Jesus and that Jesus did not suffer.  I 
totally 
  agree with the assessment that Christianity puts too much 
emphasis 
  on the suffering of Jesus and that he did not suffer.
  
  As for the taking on of karma for all mankind: of course he did. 
And 
  that's an experience that awaits all human beings.  But it is an 
  experience that occurs at the doorstep of the absolute.  It's 
not 
  something that you magically get by declaring I accept Jesus 
Christ 
  as my personal Lord and Savior.  That's just a marketing ploy 
to 
  get more members for your club; it has absolutely nothing -- 
zero, 
  zippo -- to do with either Jesus Christ or the practise of 
  Christianity.
  
  And bravo to MMY for saying what he did.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  The idea that one's guru can suffer to take on the karma of 
   disciples is as old as the tradition TM comes from.  The 
Christian 
   conversion experience is often discussed as a lifting off of a 
  great 
   and heretofor unexperience weight as the load of karma is 
shifted 
   from the Christian to Christ.  An Indian friend of mine who 
   converted from Hinduism to Christianity says that his 
discussions 
   with his family usually come to this point: As a Hindu you 
might 
   have to go through untold lifetimes to get rid of all your 
karma 
  but 
   as a Christian it is gone in this lifetime.  Thus, Christians 
  honor 
   the act that frees them from the almost impossible task of 
  removing 
   one's own bad karma.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe rudra_joe@ 
   wrote:
   
Well, Maharishi as the display of the absolute on the 
relative 
  is 
   pretty fascinating, and really isn't helpful with all lifes 
little 
   tediums. He doesn't have the skillful means for his yogasta 
kuru 
   karmani. After all, who cares really about how the self 
  referencial 
   dynamics of the lime flavor prion binding virtual quarks 
spring 
  into 
   duality at the planc scale, and all that rubbish. All that 
shit is 
   doing is giving the government ideas for warfare. Just wait 
til 
  they 
   figure sound is the key and blow down shit with huge speakers, 
  zero 
   point, yikes. Stay spiritual where morality is alligned with 
   development. I mean, as research fine, but not as a moral 
code. 
   Science is divorced from ethics in that a machine can be 
easily 
   turned on. By good or bad.  But on the other hand,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter 
 larry.potter@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer 
 jeffcandace@ 
  wrote:
  
   
   http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7005128423
  
  
  the cutie-patootie actor was recently 
  
  that's funny, lol.
 
 
 It is.
 
 Sadly, it's also unfair. Both Cruise and Brad Pitt don't get 
enough 
 credit for their acting because of their good looks.
 
 In fact, I believe that Tom Cruise should have got the Oscar 
 for Rain Man instead of Dustin Hoffman.  His straight man role 
 was much harder and more complex to do than the predictable 
 handicapped spotlight role Hoffman got.

absolutely, can't agree more. that being said I am Hoffman fan,
I can't recall a movie that he played that I didn't liked.
Straw dogs, marathon man were great, i liked him in 
Meet the Fockers which was hilarious.


 
 And I'm amazed at how good Pitt is in things such as Snatch 
where 
 he played a mumbling Irish Gypsy prizefighter or Troy in which 
he 
 played Achilles where his physicality alone should have won him 
the 
 Oscar.


yup,not like Tom, i do believe that Pitt get the much credit though.
 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  
  snip
   Sadly, it's also unfair. Both Cruise and Brad Pitt don't get 
 enough 
   credit for their acting because of their good looks.
  
  I don't care much for Cruise, but I'm a huge
  Pitt fan.  My favorite film of his is Meet Joe
  Black. It's very long and very slow and very
  talky, and you have to be *very* relaxed to sit
  through it. But he has some genuinely transcendent
  scenes that give me goose bumps.
 
 
 was a bit stretchy but along side Anthony Hopkins,  you can't go 
 wrong now, can you.


My favourite Anthony Hopkins movie: Remains of the Day, a Merchant-
Ivorty production.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  
  snip
   Sadly, it's also unfair. Both Cruise and Brad Pitt don't get 
 enough 
   credit for their acting because of their good looks.
  
  I don't care much for Cruise, but I'm a huge
  Pitt fan.  My favorite film of his is Meet Joe
  Black. It's very long and very slow and very
  talky, and you have to be *very* relaxed to sit
  through it. But he has some genuinely transcendent
  scenes that give me goose bumps.
 
 I enjoyed that film, too.
 
 Funnily, the thing that strikes me most in that film is the scene 
 near the beginning where the pre-death Pitt character gets hit by a 
 bus.  It's one of the most real and horrific scenes I have ever
 seen at the movies.

My favorite's the one with the old Jamaican lady.
That just blows me away.

But those are the showy scenes, relatively speaking.
There are lots of subtle moments that are just
astonishingly good.

Pitt *underplays* the role; I don't think I've ever
seen Cruise underplay, and I'm not sure he could.
His acting is all on the surface, it seems to me,
whereas Pitt's comes from the inside.  Not that
Cruise doesn't usually do a good job, but imagine
him trying to play Joe Black!  Pitt (or the
director) was smart enough to know flash would kill
it, and that he had the stuff not to have to rely on
flash.

On the other hand, I don't know if Pitt could do
Jerry McGuire as well as Cruise.

I'd like to see Clint Eastwood direct Pitt.  They
haven't done anything together yet, have they?

You know who's another underappreciated actor?
Jason Scott Lee, who played Bruce Lee (no relation)
in Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story.  The film is kind
of a potboiler, but Lee's performance is worth
sitting through it.  (I'm sure martial arts people
are not entranced; Lee had never done any before the
film).  Great scenes with good old Nancy Kwan, much
better as a character actress than she ever was as
an ingenue.

Anyway, he's Chinese-American, so I guess there
aren't many lead roles for him, which is a shame.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan

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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  
  snip
   Sadly, it's also unfair. Both Cruise and Brad Pitt don't get 
 enough 
   credit for their acting because of their good looks.
  
  I don't care much for Cruise, but I'm a huge
  Pitt fan.  My favorite film of his is Meet Joe
  Black. It's very long and very slow and very
  talky, and you have to be *very* relaxed to sit
  through it. But he has some genuinely transcendent
  scenes that give me goose bumps.
 
 was a bit stretchy but along side Anthony Hopkins,  you can't go 
 wrong now, can you.

Yeah, Hopkins is terrific in it too.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 'SCARY MOVIE' PRODUCER MAKES CAMPAIGN AD; MOCKS DEMOCRATS
 Tue Oct 10 2006 15:13:16 ET
 
 **Exclusive**
 
 The DRUDGE REPORT has obtained an exclusive copy of a scary campaign
 advertisement created by Hollywood producer and director David Zucker
 that was intended to be used by GOP organizations in the closing weeks
 of the 2006 campaign.
 
 However, the advertisement was deemed too hot by GOP strategists all
 across Washington, DC who have refused to use it!
 
 [VIDEO LINK] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h3GPc_yMCE
 
 In the ad, Zucker, producer of SCARY MOVIE 4, recreates former Clinton
 Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's 2000 visit to North Korea.
 During the visit, Secretary Albright presented North Korean dictator Kim
 Jong Il with a basketball autographed by former NBA superstar Michael
 Jordan.
 
 An actress playing Secretary Albright is shown presenting Kim Jong Il
 with the Michael Jordan basketball, painting the walls of Osama bin
 Laden's Afghanistan cave and turning a blind eye to suicide bombers. In
 one scene her skirt rips as she changes the tire of a Middle Eastern
 dictator's limousine.
 
 One GOP strategist said jaws dropped when the ad was first viewed.
 Nobody could believe Zucker thought any political organization could
 use this ad. It makes a point, but it's way over the top.
 
 Zucker is the producer and director of comedies such as Airplane and
 The Naked Gun. In 2004, Zucker, a longtime Democrat, embraced the
 Republican Party based on concerns he had about national security issues
 and voted for President George W. Bush.
 
 Developing...


So where's the ad showing Cheney shaking hands with Saddam?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman

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  Hi Rory,
  
  I understand you are participating in the current dome course. Have
  you taken the opportunity to share your experiential insights, below,
  with Maharishi? What were his comments?
  
  If you have not shared with him, why the reluctance for such a nice
  opportunity to manifestly express some of the gratitude you have?
 
 Hi akasha. Thanks for the questions. Maharishi is my Guru Dev; he is 
 my true I and knows me better than I know myself. He created me, he 
 sustains me, he destroys me. I attended the course for two weeks while 
 this Understanding was driven home deeper and deeper every day. 
 Without my saying a word, my (his) every thought, word and experience 
 was commented upon, verified, and deepened by him. The intimate play 
 between the Wholeness and the particle is heart-breaking in its 
 innocence and simple splendor. His love and grace are boundless; in 
 knowing him even to whatever small degree I do, I am exalted and 
 humbled beyond measure. And all of this is perfectly ordinary.
 
 I have posted this material here only to clarify and correct some of 
 the finer details of the unfoldment of Brahman I gave here last year. 
 I am not interested in debating or discussing them particularly. They 
 were simply some loose ends that had to be tied up. 
 
 All glory to Guru Dev
 
 :-)


Guarantee you that MMY would scream you out of the room if you claimed that 
shit in his 
presence.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter 
  larry.potter@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer 
  jeffcandace@ 
   wrote:
   

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7005128423
   
   
   the cutie-patootie actor was recently 
   
   that's funny, lol.
  
  
  It is.
  
  Sadly, it's also unfair. Both Cruise and Brad Pitt don't get 
 enough 
  credit for their acting because of their good looks.
  
  In fact, I believe that Tom Cruise should have got the Oscar 
  for Rain Man instead of Dustin Hoffman.  His straight man 
role 
  was much harder and more complex to do than the predictable 
  handicapped spotlight role Hoffman got.
 
 absolutely, can't agree more. that being said I am Hoffman fan,
 I can't recall a movie that he played that I didn't liked.
 Straw dogs, marathon man were great, i liked him in 
 Meet the Fockers which was hilarious.



The first time I ever saw him was his performance as Ratso Rizzo 
in Midnight Cowboy, a role which changed the way Hollywood looked 
at both leading men and character actors.  It was unprecedented.



 
 
  
  And I'm amazed at how good Pitt is in things such as Snatch 
 where 
  he played a mumbling Irish Gypsy prizefighter or Troy in which 
 he 
  played Achilles where his physicality alone should have won him 
 the 
  Oscar.
 
 
 yup,not like Tom, i do believe that Pitt get the much credit 
though.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death

2006-10-10 Thread Marek Reavis

Comment below:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

**Snip**
 
 I've also found Muktananda's comments and observations about Jesus 
 and suffering to be very profound...and almost identical to MMY's.
 
 At the risk of being reminded by a FFL participant, once again, that 
 Muktananda was a pedophile rapist (as inevitably happens every time 
 I bring his name up), I will, time willing, reproduce some excerpts 
 from some of his books on the subject 'cause they're really 
 wonderful.
 
**End**

On my first ATR I read Muktananda's book, an autobiography that has a
title I can't remember (something about Blue Pearl?), but a narration
of his sadhana from early on -- his meditation experiences, meeting
Nityananda, etc.  It was the only book of his I ever read but I loved
it.  It was perfect for those times during a long-rounding course when
you weren't rounding but still riding that wave.  You know, on so many
levels, those rounding courses we got to do were some of the most
amazing times.  And so wonderfully whacked.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:
 
  
  'SCARY MOVIE' PRODUCER MAKES CAMPAIGN AD; MOCKS DEMOCRATS
  Tue Oct 10 2006 15:13:16 ET
  
  **Exclusive**
  
  The DRUDGE REPORT has obtained an exclusive copy of a scary 
campaign
  advertisement created by Hollywood producer and director David 
Zucker
  that was intended to be used by GOP organizations in the closing 
weeks
  of the 2006 campaign.
  
  However, the advertisement was deemed too hot by GOP 
strategists all
  across Washington, DC who have refused to use it!
  
  [VIDEO LINK] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h3GPc_yMCE
  
  In the ad, Zucker, producer of SCARY MOVIE 4, recreates former 
Clinton
  Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's 2000 visit to North 
Korea.
  During the visit, Secretary Albright presented North Korean 
dictator Kim
  Jong Il with a basketball autographed by former NBA superstar 
Michael
  Jordan.
  
  An actress playing Secretary Albright is shown presenting Kim 
Jong Il
  with the Michael Jordan basketball, painting the walls of Osama 
bin
  Laden's Afghanistan cave and turning a blind eye to suicide 
bombers. In
  one scene her skirt rips as she changes the tire of a Middle 
Eastern
  dictator's limousine.
  
  One GOP strategist said jaws dropped when the ad was first 
viewed.
  Nobody could believe Zucker thought any political organization 
could
  use this ad. It makes a point, but it's way over the top.
  
  Zucker is the producer and director of comedies such 
as Airplane and
  The Naked Gun. In 2004, Zucker, a longtime Democrat, embraced 
the
  Republican Party based on concerns he had about national 
security issues
  and voted for President George W. Bush.
  
  Developing...
 
 
 So where's the ad showing Cheney shaking hands with Saddam?


Go to www.whatthefuckdoIknow.com






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
   
   snip
Sadly, it's also unfair. Both Cruise and Brad Pitt don't get 
  enough 
credit for their acting because of their good looks.
   
   I don't care much for Cruise, but I'm a huge
   Pitt fan.  My favorite film of his is Meet Joe
   Black. It's very long and very slow and very
   talky, and you have to be *very* relaxed to sit
   through it. But he has some genuinely transcendent
   scenes that give me goose bumps.
  
  I enjoyed that film, too.
  
  Funnily, the thing that strikes me most in that film is the 
scene 
  near the beginning where the pre-death Pitt character gets hit 
by a 
  bus.  It's one of the most real and horrific scenes I have ever
  seen at the movies.
 
 My favorite's the one with the old Jamaican lady.
 That just blows me away.
 
 But those are the showy scenes, relatively speaking.
 There are lots of subtle moments that are just
 astonishingly good.
 
 Pitt *underplays* the role; I don't think I've ever
 seen Cruise underplay, and I'm not sure he could.
 His acting is all on the surface, it seems to me,
 whereas Pitt's comes from the inside.  Not that
 Cruise doesn't usually do a good job, but imagine
 him trying to play Joe Black!  Pitt (or the
 director) was smart enough to know flash would kill
 it, and that he had the stuff not to have to rely on
 flash.


Have you seen Snatch yet?  It's directed by Guy Ritchie, a British 
director, who did Lock, STock and two smoking barrels, both Indie 
hits.


 
 On the other hand, I don't know if Pitt could do
 Jerry McGuire as well as Cruise.
 
 I'd like to see Clint Eastwood direct Pitt.  They
 haven't done anything together yet, have they?


No, I don't think so.


 
 You know who's another underappreciated actor?
 Jason Scott Lee, who played Bruce Lee (no relation)


...and not to be confused with the white-American actor Jason Lee...


 in Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story.  The film is kind
 of a potboiler, but Lee's performance is worth
 sitting through it.  (I'm sure martial arts people
 are not entranced; Lee had never done any before the
 film).  Great scenes with good old Nancy Kwan, much
 better as a character actress than she ever was as
 an ingenue.
 
 Anyway, he's Chinese-American, so I guess there
 aren't many lead roles for him, which is a shame.


He starred in a favourite of mine that takes place in Northern 
Quebec...Scott plays an Inuit and Ann Parrillaud a Metis (half 
Indian on the mother's side and half White)...it's called Map of 
the Human Heart and he's wonderful in it.  Hard to find but netflix 
has it http://tinyurl.com/kqnl5 .  I don't want to tell you more so 
as not to ruin it for you in case you ever rent it.

Highly recommended.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman

2006-10-10 Thread curtisdeltablues

 I had a great day too.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 With deepest gratitude to MMY and Guru Dev, we wish to correct some 
 Understandings of Brahman we gave here last year. Within the 27 
 Nakshatra-states, the middle third or 9 central ones are those of 
 Brahma(n), or Light, or Consciousness:
 
 Brahma-Shiva-Shiva (B-S-S) or Mahaturiya
 Brahma-Shiva-Brahma (B-S-B) or Maharishi (Brahman)
 Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu (B-S-V) or Mahadevata (Krishna)
 Brahma-Brahma-Shiva (B-B-S) or Mahachandas (Shiva)
 Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B) or Solar Angel, Lamp at the Door
 Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu (B-B-V), or chandas (U.C.)
 Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva (B-V-S), or devata (G.C.)
 Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma (B-V-B), or rishi (C.C.)
 Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu (B-V-V), or turiya (T.C.)
 
 Within these 9, the centermost one is Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B), 
 the Lamp at the Door, the Solar Angel who resides in the Sacred 
 Heart (Solar Plexus) as the intermediary between the Absolute 
 (Rudra, Shiva, or Purusha) and the Relative (Indra, Vishnu or 
 Shakti). 
 
 In truth, this is the only state of Consciousness that actually 
 exists -- the supreme radiance of the perfect Now, the juncture-
 point of Heaven and Earth. From here, we can (eventually) see that 
 all the states that led here -- T.C. or Turiya (Brahma-Vishnu-
 Vishnu; B-V-V), C.C. or Rishi (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma; B-V-B) G. C. 
 or Devata(Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva; B-V-S), and U.C. 
 or Chandas(Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu; B-B-V) are but identification 
 with a time-bound particle or I within Our wholeness. We have been 
 approaching the Now from an (unconscious) identification with a 
 particle on the Relative side. 
 
 But in actuality, there has been a very simple, innocent, 
 unqualified  Absolute side of Us approaching this Now as the 
 Wholeness or container of the experience(s), in perfect reflection 
 to the Relative side. When our particle-self thinks it is in T.C. (B-
 V-V), our Wholeness is Mahaturiya (B-S-S); when our particle-self 
 attains C.C. or Rishi (B-V-B), our Wholeness is Brahman itself: 
 that particle's Witness, its Maharishi (B-S-B); when our 
 particle-self attains G.C. or Devata (B-V-S), our Wholeness is 
 that particle's loving Personal God or Krishna-Avatar, 
 its Mahadevata (B-S-V); and when our particle-self attains U.C. 
 or Chandas (B-B-V), our Wholeness is that particle's Shiva, 
 its Mahachandas (B-B-S). 
 
 These two sides -- the Absolute and the Relative, the Whole and 
 the Particle -- culminate in their fusion in the mid-most state of 
 Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B). The simple, ordinary, very quiet 
 thought we had from the Absolute side with reference to nurturing 
 our particles creates the intensely devotional appreciation of that 
 thought from the Devata or sensory particle side, and the 
 corresponding display of that thought as the Reality of the Outer, 
 so that the rishi, devata, and chandas are fully appreciated as 
 OneSelf. 
 
 Thus we can say that C.C. is our particle's appreciation of our 
 Brahman-Self; G.C. is our particle's appreciation of our Krishna-
 Self, and U.C. is our particle's appreciation of our Shiva-Self -- 
 all culminating in ourSelf as Brahma(n), the Perfect Light of the 
 Sacred Heart. This is our natural, simple, a priori state of 
 consciousness. This is what we have always been, and what we always 
 will be, regardless of the stories our Wholeness and our particles 
 have been telling us/themselves.
 
 From here, the process continues -- with any and every particle we 
 find within ourSelf. We first find ourselves identifying 
 unconsciously with that particle, giving that particle unconscious 
 sovereignty -- at this time the particle is in Ignorance in our 
 Brahman. Then, we realize that this is not Us, but a particle within 
 Us -- we then become that particle's Witness, its conscious Brahman -
 - while it is identifying with C.C. Then, we give that particle our 
 loving attention, warming it up into its a priori bliss, becoming 
 its personal God or Avatar or Krishna, while it is identifying with 
 G.C. Then it perceives its ultimate identity with us in Shiva/U.C., 
 and we finally come back to primordial Radiant Self. We are 
 constantly throwing off particles of not-self, and re-integrating 
 them back into ourSelf, as pulsations of our Now into all 9 (and 
 eventually 27) states -- this is how we learn to appreciate ourSelf 
 and our various qualities...
 
 Brahmarishi Indradevata Rudrachandas








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators







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So 
  where's the ad showing Cheney shaking hands with 
Saddam?

He didn't
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ 
wrote:

 
 Hi akasha. Thanks for the questions. Maharishi is my Guru Dev; he 
is 
  my true I and knows me better than I know myself. He created 
me, he 
  sustains me, he destroys me. I attended the course for two weeks 
while 
  this Understanding was driven home deeper and deeper every day. 
  Without my saying a word, my (his) every thought, word and 
experience 
  was commented upon, verified, and deepened by him. The intimate 
play 
  between the Wholeness and the particle is heart-breaking in its 
  innocence and simple splendor. His love and grace are boundless; 
in 
  knowing him even to whatever small degree I do, I am exalted and 
  humbled beyond measure. And all of this is perfectly ordinary.
  
  I have posted this material here only to clarify and correct 
some of 
  the finer details of the unfoldment of Brahman I gave here last 
year. 
  I am not interested in debating or discussing them particularly. 
They 
  were simply some loose ends that had to be tied up. 
  
  All glory to Guru Dev
  
  :-)
 
 
 Guarantee you that MMY would scream you out of the room if you 
claimed that shit in his 
 presence.

Lawson, you are one jealous mofo.  Maybe cause Rory managed say 
more, inspire more, in one post than you have in over 10,000.  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

2006-10-10 Thread Bhairitu

sparaig wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 'SCARY MOVIE' PRODUCER MAKES CAMPAIGN AD; MOCKS DEMOCRATS
 Tue Oct 10 2006 15:13:16 ET

 **Exclusive**

 The DRUDGE REPORT has obtained an exclusive copy of a scary campaign
 advertisement created by Hollywood producer and director David Zucker
 that was intended to be used by GOP organizations in the closing weeks
 of the 2006 campaign.

 However, the advertisement was deemed too hot by GOP strategists all
 across Washington, DC who have refused to use it!

 [VIDEO LINK] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h3GPc_yMCE

 In the ad, Zucker, producer of SCARY MOVIE 4, recreates former Clinton
 Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's 2000 visit to North Korea.
 During the visit, Secretary Albright presented North Korean dictator Kim
 Jong Il with a basketball autographed by former NBA superstar Michael
 Jordan.

 An actress playing Secretary Albright is shown presenting Kim Jong Il
 with the Michael Jordan basketball, painting the walls of Osama bin
 Laden's Afghanistan cave and turning a blind eye to suicide bombers. In
 one scene her skirt rips as she changes the tire of a Middle Eastern
 dictator's limousine.

 One GOP strategist said jaws dropped when the ad was first viewed.
 Nobody could believe Zucker thought any political organization could
 use this ad. It makes a point, but it's way over the top.

 Zucker is the producer and director of comedies such as Airplane and
 The Naked Gun. In 2004, Zucker, a longtime Democrat, embraced the
 Republican Party based on concerns he had about national security issues
 and voted for President George W. Bush.

 Developing...

 

 So where's the ad showing Cheney shaking hands with Saddam?
Better yet Kim Jong Il shaking hands with Donald Rumsfeld.   Rumsfeld 
was on the board of the company that sold North Korea the equipment to 
process uranium.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

2006-10-10 Thread Alex Stanley

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 10/10/06 6:03:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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  So where's the ad showing Cheney shaking hands with Saddam?
 
 He didn't

True, it was Donald Rumsfeld who shook hands with Saddam.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: cosmic ripples




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
 beyond the event horizon, and if that description is 
 changed them it is nothing more than a glorified neutron 
 star. 
 
 The laws of PHYSICS DO NOT APLLY BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON.

Actually, classical black hole theory says that the laws of 
   physics do not apply at the 
singularity at the center of mass. I have never heard a theory 
   claim that they don't apply 
beyond the event horizon, 
   
   
   Well now you have:
   According to Roger Penrose's Principle of Cosmic Censorship, 
 the 
   fact that the laws of physics break down inside the event 
 horizon 
   has no impact on the physics outside the black hole 
   
   
 http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/bh_structur
   e.htm
   
  
  
  YOu gotta learn to stop selectively reading. Here is what that URL 
 actually says. Note that 
  it says explicitly that: At the center of the black hole lies a 
 singularity, that is, a region 
  where the current laws of physics break down because the 
 circumstances are so extreme.
 
 
 Sir Roger Penrose is very clear on this. 
 According to Roger Penrose's Principle of Cosmic Censorship, the 
 fact that the laws of physics break down inside the event horizon 
 has no impact on the physics outside the black hole 
 

They are certain they break down at the event horizon and at the singularity, 
but there's 
no way to discuss what they are like between the event horizon and the 
singularity. Most 
just assume that things stay relatively normal for a while. There's no way to 
prove it either 
way of course.

 
 that AFTER the Planck era 9for a few nanoseconds, the 
   laws of PHYSICS DO NOT WORK. The same is true in many 
 macroscopic 
   examples. There is a whole binary star system that has baffled 
   scientists because it in no way shape or form adheres to the 
 known 
   laws of physics. 
   
  Hmmm... Reference? 
  
  And, it there are myriad books out there about the oddities that 
 existed, according to 
  theory, during the first few seconds of Existence. We're not 
 talking about that OR about 
  the singularity, but about the conditions inside the event horizon 
 and outside the 
  singularity region.
 
 
 Um, a singularity is a singularity. Beyond the event horizon the 
 laws of physics break down
 
 Mathematically, as we look back in time, we can determine that the 
 laws of nature completely break down at 10 to the minus 43rd power 
 of a second (Planck time) after the creation event.
 
 
  
  You're familiar, of course, with the mathematical truism that if 
 the universe is closed it is, 
  by definition, a universe-sized black hole, yes? 
 
 Um...reference please.

It's a non-sensical definition it turns out. However, the same reasoning that 
says it is 
nonsensical ends up precluding the existance of black holes in the first place 
so...

 
 If conditions inside a black hole were 
  automatically different than outside, our physical laws couldn't 
 work if the universe was 
  closed.
 
 Um...reference please.
 

In a truely closed universe, there are no black holes because that would imply 
something 
existing outside the boundries of our space-time, which we just said isn't the 
case by 
calling it closed. It's another one of those odd contradictory things.

 
 You are making the mistake that you think the event horizon is just 
 some region of space like any other. There would be an immediate 
 change to infinite gravity, and zero time, which even before 
 infinity is reached the laws of physics will not work as expected. 
 The event horizon is that point at which the physics breaks:
 

As far as I know, no-one claims infinite gravity at the event horizon. Infinite 
acceleration 
would be required to hover at the event horizon because you have to be moving 
at the 
speed of light, and the event horizon is a singularity in its own right, 
according to the 
math, but the gravity isn't infinite there. It's only large enough to require 
an escape 
velocity greater than c. The singularity found at the event horizon is 
apparently only due 
to an artifact of the coordinate system used (e.g. there's no unique way to 
describe the 
lattitude and longitude of the North pole on Earth).


And the odds of the singularity fluctuating outside the event horizon are 
probably pretty 
slim.

 Recall that a black hole has a singularity at its center which is 
 cloaked by an event horizon. The radius of the event horizon is the 
 Schwarschild radius === R(Sch) = 2 G M / c**2 . 
 Recall that it is good that the singularity is hidden from our 
 Universe by the event horizon as interesting (and odd) things can 
 happen near the singularity.   
 So now ask the question of what happens if you merge the ideas of QM 
 with the ideas of Einstein (GR)? Well, suppose that 
 W(Compton) ~ R(Sch) 
 so that the uncertainty in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Frankenfood goes nanotech

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  
   http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/10/technology/10nano.html
   
   So far, there have been no confirmed reports of public health or 
   environmental problems related to nanotechnology. But troubling 
   laboratory tests suggest some nanoscale particles may pose novel 
 health 
   risks by, for instance, slipping easily past barriers to the 
 brain that 
   keep larger particles out. Thus, the same attributes that could 
 make 
   the technology valuable for delivering drugs could also make it 
   hazardous.
  
  
  Actually, I recall some issue with nano-tech particles used in 
 window cleaners, so I think the 
  article is incorrect.
  
  slashdot.org had an article about it at least 6 months ago, I think.
 
 
 
 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/eqzhk


As I said, the article above is incorrect. A product in german was recalled 6 
months ago 
due to heath concerns about its nano-particles:

http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/84/i15/8415nanotech.html

April 7, 2006
Also appeared in print April 17, 2006, p. 10
PRODUCT SAFETY
Nanotech Consumer Product Recalled in Germany
Glass-treating spray containing nanoparticles may have medical problems in many 
consumers
Ann M. Thayer

On March 31, the German Federal Institute for Risk Assessment (BfR) issued a 
warning 
against using a household product containing nanoparticles that has led to what 
is 
apparently the first recall of a nanotechnology-based product. In a period of 
less than two 
weeks, regional poison control centers in Germany received about 80 reports of 
people 
coughing or complaining of fever and headache, and several people were 
hospitalized with 
pulmonary edema, after using Magic Nano surface-sealing sprays.

Cleaning-product manufacturer Kleinmann GmbH, which packages and sells the 
sprays, 
quickly withdrew aerosol formulations that also contain a propellant and warned 
against 
their further use. The company has sold the products in pump bottles for more 
than two 
years and has had no reports of problems. The sprays are designed for treating 
glass and 
ceramic surfaces to make them water- and dirt-repellant for easier cleaning.

Magic Nano products contain silica and silicone nanoparticles as well as 
ethanol, water, 
and other ingredients, according to the poison control center GIZ-Nord. 
Although 
Kleinmann did not name specific suppliers involved, it has partnered with 
nanomaterial 
producer Nanopool, along with companies spun off from the Institute for New 
Materials in 
Saarbrucken.

According to BfR, it seems that users had inhaled components of the spray 
which had 
remained in the ambient air as fine particles of the aerosol. The exact cause 
of the health 
problems and any connection to the nanoparticles or propellant have yet to be 
established, BfR points out. Kleinmann says it and its suppliers are 
cooperating with 
authorities to understand and clarifyuse of the problem...








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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  Hi akasha. Thanks for the questions. Maharishi is my Guru Dev; he 
 is 
   my true I and knows me better than I know myself. He created 
 me, he 
   sustains me, he destroys me. I attended the course for two weeks 
 while 
   this Understanding was driven home deeper and deeper every day. 
   Without my saying a word, my (his) every thought, word and 
 experience 
   was commented upon, verified, and deepened by him. The intimate 
 play 
   between the Wholeness and the particle is heart-breaking in its 
   innocence and simple splendor. His love and grace are boundless; 
 in 
   knowing him even to whatever small degree I do, I am exalted and 
   humbled beyond measure. And all of this is perfectly ordinary.
   
   I have posted this material here only to clarify and correct 
 some of 
   the finer details of the unfoldment of Brahman I gave here last 
 year. 
   I am not interested in debating or discussing them particularly. 
 They 
   were simply some loose ends that had to be tied up. 
   
   All glory to Guru Dev
   
   :-)
  
  
  Guarantee you that MMY would scream you out of the room if you 
 claimed that shit in his 
  presence.
 
 Lawson, you are one jealous mofo.  Maybe cause Rory managed say 
 more, inspire more, in one post than you have in over 10,000.  

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  Lawson, you are one jealous mofo.  Maybe cause Rory managed say 
  more, inspire more, in one post than you have in over 10,000.  
 
 He said Maharishi is my Guru Dev; MMY doesn't tolerate that.

Guess I came down a little harder than I wanted.  I've been sportin a 
short fuse lately.  But really son, isn't MMY Guru Dev for anyone who 
claims to be a follower of MMY.  I mean, this is just SOP.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman

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  I had a great day too.

Hey, really, I'd rather have Rory burst on the scene like this.  I've 
seen it where he trades sweet nothings with Rick for about six posts 
before we get to this kind of action.

lurk
 
  
  Brahma-Shiva-Shiva (B-S-S) or Mahaturiya
  Brahma-Shiva-Brahma (B-S-B) or Maharishi (Brahman)
  Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu (B-S-V) or Mahadevata (Krishna)
  Brahma-Brahma-Shiva (B-B-S) or Mahachandas (Shiva)
  Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B) or Solar Angel, Lamp at the Door
  Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu (B-B-V), or chandas (U.C.)
  Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva (B-V-S), or devata (G.C.)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

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 So  where's the ad showing Cheney shaking hands with  Saddam?
 
 
 
 He didn't

Put 'er there, pardner!

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
 
   Lawson, you are one jealous mofo.  Maybe cause Rory managed say 
   more, inspire more, in one post than you have in over 10,000.  
  
  He said Maharishi is my Guru Dev; MMY doesn't tolerate that.
 
 Guess I came down a little harder than I wanted.  I've been sportin a 
 short fuse lately.  But really son, isn't MMY Guru Dev for anyone who 
 claims to be a follower of MMY.  I mean, this is just SOP.

And MMY has banned people from his presence for acting as though it were the 
case. I 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death

2006-10-10 Thread jyouells2000

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 Comment below:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 
 **Snip**
  
  I've also found Muktananda's comments and observations about Jesus 
  and suffering to be very profound...and almost identical to MMY's.
  
  At the risk of being reminded by a FFL participant, once again, that 
  Muktananda was a pedophile rapist (as inevitably happens every time 
  I bring his name up), I will, time willing, reproduce some excerpts 
  from some of his books on the subject 'cause they're really 
  wonderful.
  
 **End**
 
 On my first ATR I read Muktananda's book, an autobiography that has a
 title I can't remember (something about Blue Pearl?), but a narration
 of his sadhana from early on -- his meditation experiences, meeting
 Nityananda, etc.  It was the only book of his I ever read but I loved
 it.  It was perfect for those times during a long-rounding course when
 you weren't rounding but still riding that wave.  You know, on so many
 levels, those rounding courses we got to do were some of the most
 amazing times.  And so wonderfully whacked.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman

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 And MMY has banned people from his presence for acting as though it 
were the case. I 
 practice MMY's TM and TM-Sidhis program but he's not my Gurudev.

The way I see it, there is Guru Dev, and then there is your Guru 
Dev.  If MMY is not your Guru Dev, then I don't know who it would 
be.  Otherwise I guess he is just your spiritual chum.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: cosmic ripples




 Sir Roger Penrose is very clear on this.
 According to Roger Penrose's Principle of Cosmic Censorship, the
 fact that the laws of physics break down inside the event horizon
 has no impact on the physics outside the black hole 


They are certain they break down at the event horizon and at the 
singularity,
but there's
no way to discuss what they are like between the event horizon and 
the
singularity. 

Correct, because the laws of physics do not aplly there. Otherwise 
the physicists would describe them. They can't because it is 
theoretical, and the laws cannot work beyond a certain point within 
that theory. They do not work there. 

Think about it. Time stops at the Event Horizon. Please state which 
laws of physics can still apply when time has stopped?

The envelope of no return surrounding the black hole is its event 
horizon. As a clock falls toward a black hole, time slows on 
approach to the event horizon, and it completely stops at the 
horizon (not just at the center of the hole).

http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/t/time.htm


Most
just assume that things stay relatively normal for a while. There's 
no way to
prove it either
way of course.

Incorrect.


In a truely closed universe, there are no black holes because 
that would imply
something
existing outside the boundries of our space-time, which we just said 
isn't the
case by
calling it closed. It's another one of those odd contradictory 
things. 


Incorrect, classic black hole theory has included the possiblitiy of 
multi-verse for years. And that has been my point all along. 
Hawkings is now saying that the multi-verse connection is NOT there, 
and you are trying to tell us that that is not significant.

OffWorld






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Departed - I saw it today, but Departed half-way through it.

2006-10-10 Thread mainstream20016


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Anyone seen Scorcese's new movie?

 Saw it last night.  Probably his best since Casino, which I loved.

 Mark Wahlberg is the best thing in it; Leonardo DiCaprio isn't.  As a
 child star he was quite good; now, his method of acting seems to be
 limited to how much he scowls or furrows his brow.

 Good story, well paced.  Better than 90% of the stuff out there, but
 not like the classical Scorcese mob movie, although this is all about
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death

2006-10-10 Thread Marek Reavis

Yes, thanks, that sounds like the right title.

**

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@
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  Comment below:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
  wrote:
  
  **Snip**
   
   I've also found Muktananda's comments and observations about Jesus 
   and suffering to be very profound...and almost identical to MMY's.
   
   At the risk of being reminded by a FFL participant, once again,
that 
   Muktananda was a pedophile rapist (as inevitably happens every time 
   I bring his name up), I will, time willing, reproduce some excerpts 
   from some of his books on the subject 'cause they're really 
   wonderful.
   
  **End**
  
  On my first ATR I read Muktananda's book, an autobiography that has a
  title I can't remember (something about Blue Pearl?), but a narration
  of his sadhana from early on -- his meditation experiences, meeting
  Nityananda, etc.  It was the only book of his I ever read but I loved
  it.  It was perfect for those times during a long-rounding course when
  you weren't rounding but still riding that wave.  You know, on so many
  levels, those rounding courses we got to do were some of the most
  amazing times.  And so wonderfully whacked.
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Departed - I saw it today, but Departed half-way through it.

2006-10-10 Thread mainstream20016

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 
  Anyone seen Scorcese's new movie?
 
  Saw it last night.  Probably his best since Casino, which I loved.
 
  Mark Wahlberg is the best thing in it; Leonardo DiCaprio isn't.  As a
  child star he was quite good; now, his method of acting seems to be
  limited to how much he scowls or furrows his brow.
 
  Good story, well paced.  Better than 90% of the stuff out there, but
  not like the classical Scorcese mob movie, although this is all about
  the Mob.
 

   I prefer Scorcese's films related to music, such as 'The Last Waltz' 
, 1977.
Last month, via Direct TV, I DVRd it, and have thoroughly enjoyed several
viewings.  Scorcese interviews The Band, and elicits very colorful descriptions
from Robbie Robertson, Rick Danko, et al, along with capturing the  
farewell's concert's broad appeal, including recitations of poetry, interspersed
between performances from Van Morrison, Dylan, Dr. John, Neil Young, Clapton,
Emmy Lou Harris, Muddy Waters, etc., all with The Band, who performed a much 
broader
range of music than you might have remembered.
   Regarding The Departed, I simply got bored with the repitive 
in-your-face
violence, which pushed aside character development.  Last weekend's opening
yielded $26 mil and the No. 1 rating, but I predict that next weekend's take 
will 
be $8 mil, followed by $3 mil the third week.  





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman

2006-10-10 Thread Peter



--- lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff
 rorygoff@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  Hi akasha. Thanks for the questions. Maharishi is
 my Guru Dev; he 
 is 
   my true I and knows me better than I know
 myself. He created 
 me, he 
   sustains me, he destroys me. I attended the
 course for two weeks 
 while 
   this Understanding was driven home deeper and
 deeper every day. 
   Without my saying a word, my (his) every
 thought, word and 
 experience 
   was commented upon, verified, and deepened by
 him. The intimate 
 play 
   between the Wholeness and the particle is
 heart-breaking in its 
   innocence and simple splendor. His love and
 grace are boundless; 
 in 
   knowing him even to whatever small degree I do,
 I am exalted and 
   humbled beyond measure. And all of this is
 perfectly ordinary.
   
   I have posted this material here only to clarify
 and correct 
 some of 
   the finer details of the unfoldment of Brahman I
 gave here last 
 year. 
   I am not interested in debating or discussing
 them particularly. 
 They 
   were simply some loose ends that had to be tied
 up. 
   
   All glory to Guru Dev
   
   :-)
  
  
  Guarantee you that MMY would scream you out of the
 room if you 
 claimed that shit in his 
  presence.
 
 Lawson, you are one jealous mofo.  Maybe cause Rory
 managed say 
 more, inspire more, in one post than you have in
 over 10,000.  
 
 lurk

Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have
profound experiences (like the Absolute having a
personality!) and you are attacked and driven into
silence.



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Smith Cancelled

2006-10-10 Thread Peter

A! CBS cancelled my favorite new tv show, Smith.
How bizarre
  
 
 
 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death

2006-10-10 Thread Vaj

Let's not forget that Jesus Christos was not the *first* human incarnation/nirmanakaya to use the Death-Resurrection formulae of attainment. He was actually the last (in relation to humanity in the current epoch)lest Bacchus and Osiris and Krishna with his arrow in the side, on the tree arising-in-3-days be forgotten...On Oct 10, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Robert Gimbel wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mark robert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 31, 2005, at 11:36 AM, mark robert wrote: ut such a violent symbol is so attractive to societies like ours that are so obsessed with violence. Think of the crucifixion as a barometer for the general state of mental health; as long as the symbol stands, so does the mass-neurosis. Good luck removing this major cultural icon of the West. The crucifixion was devised as a method of terror and execution by the Roman's; it's message: Follow the rules, or else this will happen to you, also. Many thousands of Jews were executed this way. So, it is the symbol of our culture, that life is suffering, and then you die. You don't resurrect- only Jesus can do that... So, the whole teaching of Jesus, got perverted, in so many ways... As a matter of fact; All of the teachings of the Masters, whether it be Buddha, or all of the rest, are interpreted by the unenlightened followers. So, what do you expect. After all, Bush thinks that Jesus told him to invade Iraq... Jesus has been used to justify all kinds of demonic actions... Didn't those Jesus folks used to burn witches at the stake. Now, there's a spiritual ceremony! R.G.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Smith Cancelled

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A! CBS cancelled my favorite new tv show, Smith.
 How bizarre

Was he the personality of the Absolute? 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman

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 Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have
 profound experiences (like the Absolute having a
 personality!) and you are attacked and driven into
 silence.

Yeah, I hate it when that happens.

But fear not. (Since Brahman is beyond fear -- born of duality.)
Brahman 2.0 is due to ship -- that is, due to download, in January.
Among other things, it will have 1008 skins that you can apply --
like personalities -- like skins on PC media players. So Cool!







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Smith Cancelled

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
 
  A! CBS cancelled my favorite new tv show, Smith.
  How bizarre
 
 Was he the personality of the Absolute?

If so, we're in trouble now!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman

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 Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have
 profound experiences (like the Absolute having a
 personality!) and you are attacked and driven into
 silence.

How profound can the experiences be if the person
having them is so bruised by a few negative comments
that he feels he has to withdraw into silence?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman