Re: [Finale] Collision of 2nds between layers & Blank Notation
On 9/26/02 11:34 PM or thereabouts, Mark D. Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> intoned: > (Optional step 6: Complain that it wasn't set that way by default) Blank notation is set up to "Show Items Attached to Notes" by default for a very important reason -- it is the *only* way to show chord symbols on beats without a corresponding note (or in empty measures). If, for instance, you want four chord symbols in a measure containing only a whole note, you have to: 1) Transfer the whole note to some other layer. 2) Enter four quarter rests in Layer 1. 3) Attach the four chord symbols to the four quarter rests. 4) Hide Layer 1 using Blank Notation. I would bet dollars to donuts that this is the most frequently used application for the Blank Notation staff style (by far), so it makes sense that the default settings are set up for this. - Darcy -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston, MA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Finale Notepad - Brilliant Move by Coda
And so it came to pass that Robert Patterson spake: >On Wed, 25 September 2002, "Matthew Hindson" wrote: > >> >> It would also be nice if Coda could facilitate changing time signatures in >> the Notepad application > >More pressing, I think, is to be able to change keys. I recommended >Notepad to a >friend as a way to get her feet wet with Finale. She chose a very simple first >project: a scale sheet she could hand out to her students showing >all major and >minor scales with key signatures. But it can't be done in Notepad because >apparently Notepad can't change keys!!! By now she's probably halfway to >Sibelius. I think you can have any key in Notepad but you can't have key changes within the one document. I guess there has to be a limit to what it can do otherwise there's no reason to sell PrintMusic. Can Notepad open documents made in Finale? And can you edit them or are they read only? -- Rocky Road - in Oz "Fleeing from the Cylon tyranny, the last Battlestar, Galactica, leads a ragtag, fugitive fleet, on a lonely quest, for a shining planet known as Earth." ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Collision of 2nds between layers & Blank Notation
At 7:49 PM 09/26/02, David W. Fenton wrote: >To be honest, I've never been thrilled with the way expressions and >articulations in the blank notation layer still show up. I just don't >think that's right [...] If the >articulations in the playback layer (i.e., invisible) were also >invisible, this simply wouldn't be an issue [...] I didn't follow all the details of your example, but you can define the style so that articulations don't show up on the invisible layer. Try this: 1. Choose "Define Staff Styles" from the Staff menu. 2. Under "Available Styles", select the "Blank Notation" style that you're using. 3. Click the "Select" button under "Alternate Notation" 4. Uncheck "Show Items Attached to Notes". 5. Click "OK" twice to make the change. I think this will accomplish what you want. If it does, you can set it on your templates and never have to worry about it again. (Optional step 6: Complain that it wasn't set that way by default) mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback
You have to click on the little speaker icon next to the tempo indication to get to the Playback Options dialog. In this you can set the Play From setting to be either a specific measure number, the leftmost measure on the screen or the current counter setting. Checking this last box will un-grey the numbers. When you use the Create Tempo Marking, there are several things you have to do. You have to click on the note you want, even though it appears the quarter-note is already clicked, and you have to check the box Define for Playback. helgesen wrote: > Spacebar, click, works fine, (non-scrolling) at tempo set to =130 with > "plug-in"-Create Tempo Marking. > I wanted scrolling playback- went to playback controls, brought them up- > works fine- at their default tempo.(about 96?) The dialogue scroll up/down > box has no effect on tempo, and "play from measure #" also has no effect- in > fact it's greyed out. I've RTFM and looked in OLD. Both tell me to set > scroll-down for tempo, and type in, or preset "Start at measure #". > I'm on WinFin2001d. OK, what am I missing? Please? Cheers, Keith in OZ > > ___ > Finale mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New Stave added?
Yup! That did it. I gather my 'little blue thing' is an indicator that a stave is optimised. Next question- how did it get optimised? I only ever recall optimising once before- years ago! I guess I just happened to press things, in the right order, by accident! Thanks again David for advice. Cheers, Keith in OZ - Original Message - From: David H. Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: helgesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Finale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] New Stave added? > You optimized the score before you added the vocal line. > > Unoptimize it and the vocal line should appear. > > > > > helgesen wrote: > > OK, I give up! What is the little blue 'double stave' on the right hand end > > of my top stave of score? > > It's only on page 2 (Measures 5 to 10) and seems to stop me adding (or > > showing?) a stave above existing top stave. > > Still not clear- sorry! Try again! I finished a band accomp for a vocal, > > and then realized I had forgotten to put the vocal line in (above flutes). > > No prob, add stave and put in vocal line. > > Scroll view is fine, but when I go to page view, page two (with little blue > > thing mentioned above) doesn't show vocal line. Looked up "little blue > > thing" in manual and OLD, not there! Funny that! > > Help Gurus, please! > > Regards, Keith in OZ > > > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > > -- > David H. Bailey > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Playback
Spacebar, click, works fine, (non-scrolling) at tempo set to =130 with "plug-in"-Create Tempo Marking. I wanted scrolling playback- went to playback controls, brought them up- works fine- at their default tempo.(about 96?) The dialogue scroll up/down box has no effect on tempo, and "play from measure #" also has no effect- in fact it's greyed out. I've RTFM and looked in OLD. Both tell me to set scroll-down for tempo, and type in, or preset "Start at measure #". I'm on WinFin2001d. OK, what am I missing? Please? Cheers, Keith in OZ ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure number regions
On 9/26/02 8:22 PM or thereabouts, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> intoned: > Because making it an option does not address the underlying usability > issue. You claim you like the feature because it allows navigation to > unique measure numbers without specifying the region. I think that's > a good thing, too. But it is completely orthagonal to the original > issue, the *display* of the measure number. Surely the most common use of multiple measure number regions, by far, is having a region that starts in measure 2 when measure 1 is a pickup? This is the only instance in which I regularly need multiple measure number regions. Apart from the pickup measure (1:1) vs the first full measure (2:1), there is no further ambiguity in the piece w/r/t measure numbers, and so I emphatically do *not* want to see a "2:" displayed in the current measure box, in front of every measure in the piece. It's cluttered and redundant and more difficult to read at a glance and confusing to newbies. I have no objection to adding a "Always display measure number region" checkbox, but I most strenuously object to "fixing" the current behavior by exorcising it from the program. - Darcy -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston, MA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure number regions
On 26 Sep 2002 at 20:05, David H. Bailey wrote: > David W. Fenton wrote: > [snip] > > I don't think it should be a program option -- making things user > > settings does not take away the basic disorganized thinking that > > leads to implementing it in that way. > > > > So now we have to do things your way? At least if you want to be able > to do things your way let those of who can't understand your inability > to know that your measure 91 is in the 3rd region of the piece you are > working on continue to work as we like. Why should things change just > for you? > > If you want to go to measure 91, you simply type 91 in the box and the > program will jump to that measure. Why should you want to have to type > 3: in addition, since there is only one measure 91 in your work? The > program knows where to go to find it, even if you don't. I'm not talking about what happens when you type something in the box to jump to it. I'm only talking about what is displayed. > I, for one, like the way it is implemented and have no confusion working > with it. You like seeing 1:23 go to 2:1 and then 2:31 going to 3:1 and then 3:89 going to 90 and then 3:121 (which is displayed only as "121") going to 4:1, etc.? You seem to not have considered that my lone measure 90 falls in the middle of the piece, in section 3 of a piece with 7 measure number regions. > But I would certainly have no problem with what you are asking for being > a program option so you could use it as you think suits you best. Why > would you not want to accord me (and the others who have no problem with > it) the same privilege? Because making it an option does not address the underlying usability issue. You claim you like the feature because it allows navigation to unique measure numbers without specifying the region. I think that's a good thing, too. But it is completely orthagonal to the original issue, the *display* of the measure number. -- David W. Fenton | http://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associates | http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure number regions
David W. Fenton wrote: [snip] > I don't think it should be a program option -- making things user > settings does not take away the basic disorganized thinking that > leads to implementing it in that way. > So now we have to do things your way? At least if you want to be able to do things your way let those of who can't understand your inability to know that your measure 91 is in the 3rd region of the piece you are working on continue to work as we like. Why should things change just for you? If you want to go to measure 91, you simply type 91 in the box and the program will jump to that measure. Why should you want to have to type 3: in addition, since there is only one measure 91 in your work? The program knows where to go to find it, even if you don't. I, for one, like the way it is implemented and have no confusion working with it. But I would certainly have no problem with what you are asking for being a program option so you could use it as you think suits you best. Why would you not want to accord me (and the others who have no problem with it) the same privilege? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] I Think My Monitor Just Broke
At 04:44 PM 9/26/02 -0500, Richard Yates wrote: >Mine has developed an intermittent flicker/ghosting. Are there any >consistent symptoms that distinguish a failing video card from a failing >monitor? Nope. And that symptom could be card, cable or monitor. If it's consistent, card is least likely, cable is possible, monitor input most likely (almost to a one, monitors have the cheapest components, including underrated little electrolytics). If it's intermitting, cable (connector/corrosion/board soldering) is most likely; this may depend on your environment. I work in a shop that gets in beaucoups of systems with these problems, and it's usually mechanical. I've yet to see a video card fail electronically -- except drastically. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure number regions
On 26 Sep 2002 at 14:56, Mark D. Lew wrote: > At 1:12 PM 09/26/02, David W. Fenton wrote: > > >I don't see any utility at all in omitting the section number for > >measures that fall within a measure number region. > > Well, if your entire piece is numbered normally, then every measure falls > within a measure number region. > > I think the "utility" is the idea that some newbie will see "1:2" and go > "Huh? what does that mean?" The "2" alone is far less likely to confuse, > so the program is designed to avoid the double number as much as possible. Well, if there's only one region, show no region number. If there is more than one region, *show* the region number, always. I just don't see the utility in knowing that I am looking at measure numbers that are unique across regions. Oops, just thought of something -- non-everlapping numbers. I guess that's what you meant. So, if there's no overlap of *any* numbers, show them without the region. If there's any overlap of numbers, show the region. I just can't imagine a reason, other than ease of programming to allow for the non-overlapping numbering, that would justify not showing the region number in the case of a file with multiple regions with the same numbers. > Anyway, I think it must be extremely easy to offer it as a program option > to always display the region number with the measure number. Then everyone > could be happy. Make it a feature request. This is the kind of thing that most users, who are not as ornery as me, would simply not worry about and just say, "ho hum -- that's the way it is" and not try to figure out why. But to me, it's just messy and inconvenient. I don't think it should be a program option -- making things user settings does not take away the basic disorganized thinking that leads to implementing it in that way. -- David W. Fenton | http://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associates | http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Collision of 2nds between layers & Blank Notation
On 26 Sep 2002 at 19:16, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > At 1:23 PM -0400 9/26/02, David W. Fenton wrote: > >On 26 Sep 2002 at 1:50, Mark D. Lew wrote: > > > >> I think this would be more convenient if it were a check box in the > >> Alternate Notation section of Staff Style definitions (and turned on by > >> default on the Blank staff styles that Coda provides). > > > >I don't see why. When would anyone want hidden or blank notation to > >effect spacing? I don't even see the utility in having it as an > >*option*, let alone having this useless option turned on by default. > > One might want it to affect spacing (one can only effect spacing by > pressing top-row 4 in Mass Mover) if one has chord symbols or other > note-attached items attached to the invisible entries. Well, in that case, the expressions are not invisible, are they? So, they should have an effect on spacing. To be honest, I've never been thrilled with the way expressions and articulations in the blank notation layer still show up. I just don't think that's right, and it means that I have to put the non-playback- effecting articulations in the displayed layer, and the playback- effecting articulations/expressions in the blank layer. That means that often your articulations don't space themselves correctly, even when you flip the stems in the invisible layer, and you end up having to place them manually, one at a time. If the articulations in the playback layer (i.e., invisible) were also invisible, this simply wouldn't be an issue -- you'd put the articulations in both layers (in the visible for display, in the invisible to fix the playback). -- David W. Fenton | http://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associates | http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] I Think My Monitor Just Broke
> >Okay, suddenly and for no apparent reason, my CRT monitor just turned > >purple. Greens now display as black, so I can only assume that the green > >electron beam is no longer firing. This is bad, I think. Is my monitor > >kaput, then? Mine has developed an intermittent flicker/ghosting. Are there any consistent symptoms that distinguish a failing video card from a failing monitor? (I do not have another monitor easily at hand to try the obvious test). Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] I Think My Monitor Just Broke
At 2:35 PM -0400 9/26/02, Darcy James Argue wrote: >Hello all, > >Okay, suddenly and for no apparent reason, my CRT monitor just turned >purple. Greens now display as black, so I can only assume that the green >electron beam is no longer firing. This is bad, I think. Is my monitor >kaput, then? It's a Sony 200ES -- about four years old at this point. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated -- I'm not exactly wild about buying a >new monitor, at this point. > >- Darcy My six-year old Sony 17sf occasionally turns green, usually after a long hot day, and a healthy whack usually restores it, or a half-hour rest. I suspect a leaky capacitor, but until it goes permanently, I'll suffer. You may have a blown emitter (bad), or just a bad connection or capacitor that is easily fixable. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Collision of 2nds between layers & Blank Notation
At 1:23 PM -0400 9/26/02, David W. Fenton wrote: >On 26 Sep 2002 at 1:50, Mark D. Lew wrote: > >> I think this would be more convenient if it were a check box in the >> Alternate Notation section of Staff Style definitions (and turned on by >> default on the Blank staff styles that Coda provides). > >I don't see why. When would anyone want hidden or blank notation to >effect spacing? I don't even see the utility in having it as an >*option*, let alone having this useless option turned on by default. One might want it to affect spacing (one can only effect spacing by pressing top-row 4 in Mass Mover) if one has chord symbols or other note-attached items attached to the invisible entries. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Re: [Finale] I Think My Monitor Just Broke
At 02:35 PM 9/26/02 -0400, Darcy James Argue wrote: >Okay, suddenly and for no apparent reason, my CRT monitor just turned >purple. Greens now display as black, so I can only assume that the green >electron beam is no longer firing. This is bad, I think. Is my monitor >kaput, then? Maybe. There are other possibilities. One of mine developed a bad cable from too much moving stuff around, and for the same reason, another developed cold solder joints at the connector-motherboard junction. Both of those can be repaired. If it's the green gun, enjoy the psychedelics. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Collision of 2nds between layers & Blank Notation
At 2:03 PM 09/26/02, David W. Fenton wrote: >Can anyone come up with a scenario in which that is even a >*marginally* useful option? Marginally useful, yes. If you find yourself in a situation where you want Finale to consistently give you an extra bit of space between two particular notes (perhaps you've got a wide text expression that need to appear above it, but checking note expressions in the Music Spacing Options causes other problems), you can copy the music of that measure to another layer, add an extraneous accidental or two to create the needed space, and make it invisible. Obviously there are numerous ways to tweak spacing, and we've all used many of them. An advantage I see in this one is that it will continue to be in place no matter how many times you adjust and respace the music, and although it's weird and kludgy, it's relatively quick to do. I doubt I'd do it often, but I can see keeping it in my mental bag of tricks for an occasion when it was the most efficient fix for an unusual situation. The larger issue here, I think, is that with Layer Options, you're forced to make layer 4 your invisible layer throughout the piece. If you can adapt your habits around that, great. Others may have enjoyed the flexibility of using layers according to a different plan. I have occasionally encountered a situation where I really do need all four layers in the same bar. If I had my entire document set with layer 4 to be ignored in spacing, then that would have been problematic. Finale has a lot of options which you'll leave alone most of the time but can change for special occasions. For this feature to be more useful, you need to be able to turn it off and on on a measure-by-measure basis, and the logical way to incorporate that is in a staff style. In addition to just blanked-out measures, there could be times when you want to turn affects-spacing off for some visible measure. >From Randy's post, I gather that Coda agrees in principle, but backed off for practical reasons. mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Finale "Don'ts" - was "Lyrics Freakout"
At 2:07 PM 09/26/02, David W. Fenton wrote: >From the response to my comment, it's clear that some people who had >been keeping up-to-date with Finale versions (unlike me, who got off >the bandwagon when the WinFin98 copy protection came out) did not >know about this great fix to a long-standing problem with voice 2. That includes me. I honestly can't recall ever trying to put articulations on separate notes in a voice 1&2 situation. If I've got separate parts I'll generally use layers. If it's a single part that divides, I wouldn't expect the notes to be articulated differently. If there ever was such an occasion when I did need an articulation (maybe an arpeggio sign?) I probably didn't care which note I attached it to. Possibly this is because of the type of music I set (overwhelmingly vocal and piano-vocal). mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stuck key with Articulations?
At 8:14 AM 09/26/02, Phil Daley wrote: >However, I wish the power down key wasn't right next to the wake up key ;-) Just like in real life mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure number regions
At 1:12 PM 09/26/02, David W. Fenton wrote: >I don't see any utility at all in omitting the section number for >measures that fall within a measure number region. Well, if your entire piece is numbered normally, then every measure falls within a measure number region. I think the "utility" is the idea that some newbie will see "1:2" and go "Huh? what does that mean?" The "2" alone is far less likely to confuse, so the program is designed to avoid the double number as much as possible. Anyway, I think it must be extremely easy to offer it as a program option to always display the region number with the measure number. Then everyone could be happy. Make it a feature request. mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] I Think My Monitor Just Broke
> On 9/26/02 3:45 PM or thereabouts, Fisher, Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > intoned: > >> You could pop the cover of the monitor, and somewhere (usually on the back) >> are some screws on the back marked R, G, and B. Try tightening or loosening >> (can't remember which) the one marked G. That's supposed to help make the >> gun fire. I had the red gun go out on my monitor and it didn't help, but >> your mileage may vary. If it does help, no telling how long it will last. >> >> Allen Okay, I could not find the RGB screws -- I think they were perhaps hidden behind some sheet metal shielding Sony puts on the card thingy behind the electron gun. However, I blew some dust off the parts and put the case back on, and lo, the green gun is mysteriously firing again. (Thanks, Allen!) "For how long???" is of course the obvious question, so I think I'll continue to search for other options. I get the feeling that monitor, she is not long for this world. - Darcy -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston, MA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Collision of 2nds between layers & Blank Notation
I wrote: > I have now created a tiny plug-in (called "JW Spacing & Playback") that > you can download if you need it. This plug-in allows you to turn spacing > (or playback) ON or OFF for a selection (such as notes in a single layer), > without the need to modify the global layer options: > http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/ Off course I messed up the first version of that plug-in. Version 1.01 (now available for download) should actually work on the selected region... ;-) Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] I Think My Monitor Just Broke
On 9/26/02 3:45 PM or thereabouts, Fisher, Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> intoned: > You could pop the cover of the monitor, and somewhere (usually on the back) > are some screws on the back marked R, G, and B. Try tightening or loosening > (can't remember which) the one marked G. That's supposed to help make the > gun fire. I had the red gun go out on my monitor and it didn't help, but > your mileage may vary. If it does help, no telling how long it will last. > > Allen Thanks, Allen. I will give that a try. Can't hurt, at this point. (BTW, I have tested this with my GF's PowerBook and it is most definitely the monitor itself and not anything funky with the connection or the video card.) - Darcy -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston, MA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] I Think My Monitor Just Broke
On 9/26/02 3:47 PM or thereabouts, Tim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> intoned: > Oops--I should have read this one before I replied. Sorry to hear about > your monitor. Now the decision--the repair shop, or a new CRT? No repair shop -- I've gone that route before, and it was one of the most intensely frustrating experiences of my life. (It had to be shipped out to the monitor place, who were backlogged and couldn't even look at it for weeks, who, when they looked at it, couldn't figure out what was wrong with it, and wanted to charge an additional $20 to run more tests to [maybe] figure out what was wrong with it, etc etc. I eventually just left it with them, to cannibalize for parts. Besides, repair would be insane, with CRT prices as low as they are. No, my only quandaries at this point are (A) what brand and model, and (B) whether or not to spring for an LCD. - Darcy -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston, MA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Collision of 2nds between layers & Blank Notation
>>And it doesn't change the fact that blank notation in *any* layer should not have an effect on spacing of visible notation. << I know of several experienced engravers who use blank notation specifically to hide a "spacing" layer -- that is, a series of notes designed to control the spacing. It would make sense to allow you to set "affects spacing" in Alternate Notation, and we were partly down that path last year when we ran into some design snags -- I don't recall offhand what they were. Randy ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Measure number regions
Finale only shows the ":" qualifier if there is an ambiguity (where regions overlap). Randy > -Original Message- > From: Tobias Giesen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:28 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Finale] Measure number regions > > > Hi, > > you're right, I confused page & measure numbers. > > If you're positive that your measure number regions don't overlap, I > guess that's just slightly erratic behavior of Finale. > > Cheers, > Tobias > > ___ > Finale mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] I Think My Monitor Just Broke
You could pop the cover of the monitor, and somewhere (usually on the back) are some screws on the back marked R, G, and B. Try tightening or loosening (can't remember which) the one marked G. That's supposed to help make the gun fire. I had the red gun go out on my monitor and it didn't help, but your mileage may vary. If it does help, no telling how long it will last. Allen -Original Message- From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:36 PM To: Fin Subject: [Finale] I Think My Monitor Just Broke Hello all, Okay, suddenly and for no apparent reason, my CRT monitor just turned purple. Greens now display as black, so I can only assume that the green electron beam is no longer firing. This is bad, I think. Is my monitor kaput, then? It's a Sony 200ES -- about four years old at this point. Any help would be greatly appreciated -- I'm not exactly wild about buying a new monitor, at this point. - Darcy -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston, MA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Collision of 2nds between layers & Blank Notation
On 9/26/02 2:03 PM, "David W. Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 26 Sep 2002 at 15:05, Jari Williamsson wrote: > >> The new method (Finale 2002 and above) is much more flexible. You can >> turn ON/OFF spacing on 3 different levels (layer/note entry/note). You can >> also turn playback ON/OFF on 4 different levels (instrument list/layer/note >> entry/note). Layer options are available in the document options, entry >> and note settings are available in the [not-so-easy-to-use] Edit Frame. >> >> I have now created a tiny plug-in (called "JW Spacing & Playback") that >> you can download if you need it. This plug-in allows you to turn spacing >> (or playback) ON or OFF for a selection (such as notes in a single layer), >> without the need to modify the global layer options: >> http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/ > > While your plugin is a wonderful thing, I am OK with turning off the > check in Layer Options, as I can't conceive of a situation in which I > would want invisible notes to be accounted for in spacing the visible > notation. > > Can anyone come up with a scenario in which that is even a > *marginally* useful option? Perhaps there might come a time when I want to create unusual spacing--say, a visual speeding up of the same note values, or something like that--and can most easily accomplish that for multiple staves by putting some divided note values in an invisible layer somewhere that are subject to note spacing. I know there are other ways to accomplish this, but I see it as another example of Finale's flexibility... Tim ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] I Think My Monitor Just Broke
.. and I'm perfectly serious when I suggest you slap it on the sides or the top a couple of times, or even turn it off and back on (or unplug from the wall and reconnect it). You might also consider, just for the quasi-hallucenogenic effect, hitting the "degauss" function. Scott >>> Carl Donsbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/26/02 02:12PM >>> Darcy, Try removing and reseating the monitor connection to your computer. Also try jiggling the monitor connection cord at the monitor end. -Carl Donsbach --On Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:35 PM -0400 Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > Okay, suddenly and for no apparent reason, my CRT monitor just turned > purple. Greens now display as black, so I can only assume that the green > electron beam is no longer firing. This is bad, I think. Is my monitor > kaput, then? It's a Sony 200ES -- about four years old at this point. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated -- I'm not exactly wild about > buying a new monitor, at this point. > > - Darcy > ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] I Think My Monitor Just Broke
On 9/26/02 3:12 PM or thereabouts, Carl Donsbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> intoned: > Darcy, > > Try removing and reseating the monitor connection to your computer. Also > try jiggling the monitor connection cord at the monitor end. Tried that, first thing. Also tried hitting the reset button. No dice. I think she's a goner here, boys. [sigh] - Darcy -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston, MA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] I Think My Monitor Just Broke
Darcy, Try removing and reseating the monitor connection to your computer. Also try jiggling the monitor connection cord at the monitor end. -Carl Donsbach --On Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:35 PM -0400 Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > Okay, suddenly and for no apparent reason, my CRT monitor just turned > purple. Greens now display as black, so I can only assume that the green > electron beam is no longer firing. This is bad, I think. Is my monitor > kaput, then? It's a Sony 200ES -- about four years old at this point. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated -- I'm not exactly wild about > buying a new monitor, at this point. > > - Darcy > ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stuck key with Articulations?
At 09/26/2002 02:00 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: >> However, new keyboards have some useful keys, like sleep, wake up and power >> down. > >Hah! I consider those to be completely worthless! I've never found a >single Windows PC of any brand on which the hibernate functions >worked reliably, and I never turn off my PC in the first place. On my 2 year old MB with WinMe they always work perfectly. >I wish the keys that are on a standard 102-key keyboard would be left >in their exact standard positions and the additional keys simply put >somewhere else. The keyboard I'm typing this on presently has 6 key >caps pulled off so that I don't accidentally press the keys I don't >need, the ones that have been moved into the positions formerly >occupied by other keys. On this keyboard the Sleep/Wake Up/Power keys >were put where the Scroll Lock/Print Screen/Break keys normally would >be, and those last three keys were put where the Insert/Home/PageUp >keys normally would be, which bumped those keys down where the >Delete/End/PageDown keys should be, which keys were stuck in the >empty space above the arrow keys. That is why I don't understand the position of arrow keys and home-end/PgUp-Pgdn keys as being separate areas. They are right next to each other. Phil Daley < AutoDesk > http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] I Think My Monitor Just Broke
Hello all, Okay, suddenly and for no apparent reason, my CRT monitor just turned purple. Greens now display as black, so I can only assume that the green electron beam is no longer firing. This is bad, I think. Is my monitor kaput, then? It's a Sony 200ES -- about four years old at this point. Any help would be greatly appreciated -- I'm not exactly wild about buying a new monitor, at this point. - Darcy -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston, MA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Collision of 2nds between layers & Blank Notation
On 26 Sep 2002 at 13:27, Aaron Sherber wrote: > At 01:12 PM 09/26/02, David W. Fenton wrote: > >Sorry, but I looked high and low on the menus and in the OLD, but > >cannot find any setting to clear manual spacing. Where is it? > >Obviously, I'm just not looking in the right place. > > Document Options | Music Spacing. Manual Positioning = Ignore | Clear | > Incorporate. I think that what I want is to us INCORPORATE on a normal basis, as I certainly don't want to lose manual spacing when doing a global re- spacing. But what I really want is a way to clear manual spacing for a selection without having to change this option to CLEAR and then back to my preferred setting. -- David W. Fenton | http://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associates | http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Finale "Don'ts" - was "Lyrics Freakout"
On 26 Sep 2002 at 13:03, Andrew Stiller wrote: > >On 24 Sep 2002 at 20:11, Philip Aker wrote: > > > >> On Tuesday, Sep 24, 2002, at 13:28 US/Pacific, David W. Fenton wrote: > >> > >> > You can't assign articulations/expressions to a note in voice 2. > >> > >> Use the Shift key. > > > >Shift key? Well, for metatools, that won't work. > > > >I note in WinFin2003 that metatools work normally on voice 2, so one > >of my chief problems with voice 2 is gone! That's a really nice > >thing. > > > >-- > >David W. Fenton | > > In every version from 2K0 on, you assign an artic. to a voice by > clicking above the notes for voice one and below them for voice > two. Works just the same for metatools. What's all the fuss? Until a couple of months ago, I was still using WinFin97, where you could *not* assign articulations to voice 2 at all. >From the response to my comment, it's clear that some people who had been keeping up-to-date with Finale versions (unlike me, who got off the bandwagon when the WinFin98 copy protection came out) did not know about this great fix to a long-standing problem with voice 2. As of now, I see no objections to using voice 2 at all, except if you try to make it work like layers. As someone else said, voice 2 works very well for what it's intended to do. With the articulations, I can no longer see any objections (though I guess the lyrics thing might be, but that doesn't really fit into my definition of appropriate use of voice 2). -- David W. Fenton | http://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associates | http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Collision of 2nds between layers & Blank Notation
On 26 Sep 2002 at 15:05, Jari Williamsson wrote: > The new method (Finale 2002 and above) is much more flexible. You can > turn ON/OFF spacing on 3 different levels (layer/note entry/note). You can > also turn playback ON/OFF on 4 different levels (instrument list/layer/note > entry/note). Layer options are available in the document options, entry > and note settings are available in the [not-so-easy-to-use] Edit Frame. > > I have now created a tiny plug-in (called "JW Spacing & Playback") that > you can download if you need it. This plug-in allows you to turn spacing > (or playback) ON or OFF for a selection (such as notes in a single layer), > without the need to modify the global layer options: > http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/ While your plugin is a wonderful thing, I am OK with turning off the check in Layer Options, as I can't conceive of a situation in which I would want invisible notes to be accounted for in spacing the visible notation. Can anyone come up with a scenario in which that is even a *marginally* useful option? -- David W. Fenton | http://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associates | http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stuck key with Articulations?
On 26 Sep 2002 at 8:14, Phil Daley wrote: > At 09/23/2002 04:54 AM, Mr. Liudas Motekaitis wrote: > > >Yes. Don't buy new keyboards. Older keyboards had two features which make > >them more attractive to me (and you can get adapters for the cable > >connection). > > However, new keyboards have some useful keys, like sleep, wake up and power > down. Hah! I consider those to be completely worthless! I've never found a single Windows PC of any brand on which the hibernate functions worked reliably, and I never turn off my PC in the first place. > However, I wish the power down key wasn't right next to the wake up key ;-) I wish the keys that are on a standard 102-key keyboard would be left in their exact standard positions and the additional keys simply put somewhere else. The keyboard I'm typing this on presently has 6 key caps pulled off so that I don't accidentally press the keys I don't need, the ones that have been moved into the positions formerly occupied by other keys. On this keyboard the Sleep/Wake Up/Power keys were put where the Scroll Lock/Print Screen/Break keys normally would be, and those last three keys were put where the Insert/Home/PageUp keys normally would be, which bumped those keys down where the Delete/End/PageDown keys should be, which keys were stuck in the empty space above the arrow keys. After weeks of hitting the Scroll Lock instead of Home, I pulled the key caps off, and now get along just fine. And the keyboard doesn't work with my Belkin KVM switch, so I really have to replace it, in any case. Sigh. -- David W. Fenton | http://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associates | http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Collision of 2nds between layers & Blank Notation
At 01:12 PM 09/26/02, David W. Fenton wrote: >Sorry, but I looked high and low on the menus and in the OLD, but >cannot find any setting to clear manual spacing. Where is it? >Obviously, I'm just not looking in the right place. Document Options | Music Spacing. Manual Positioning = Ignore | Clear | Incorporate. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ?instruments 1 & 2
>On an orchestral score, how can I get the two or three numbers to the right >of the instrument name (for example if there are 2 clarinets) so that the 1 >is directly above the 2 (and 3 if necessary)? > Another method, not so far mentioned, works very nicely if you have three parts on one staff. Type: 1 Clarinet 2 3 Then choose Right justification. -- Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Collision of 2nds between layers & Blank Notation
On 26 Sep 2002 at 1:50, Mark D. Lew wrote: > At 9:11 AM 09/26/02, Michael Cook wrote: > > [...] If layer 4 is only used for playback, you can also set it not > >to affect music spacing (in Document Options - Layers). > > Aha, THERE it is! I knew there was a way to tell Finale to ignore the > music for spacing, but I looked for it in the Staff Style definition and in > Music Spacing Options, and not Layer Options. I'm so glad you replied to this, Mark, because I didn't understand what he was referring to! This setting ought to take care of the problem. Seems to me this should be off by default. > I think this would be more convenient if it were a check box in the > Alternate Notation section of Staff Style definitions (and turned on by > default on the Blank staff styles that Coda provides). I don't see why. When would anyone want hidden or blank notation to effect spacing? I don't even see the utility in having it as an *option*, let alone having this useless option turned on by default. > The problem with Layer Options is that it affects that layer for the entire > piece, so if you want that layer visible elsewhere, you're out of luck. I > suppose you can just get into the habit of making layer 4 always be the > invisible one, but wouldn't that be awkward for playback? I don't usually > do much playback, but I would think you'd want the main layer that you use > for the voice to match the heard-but-not-seen layer, not the > seen-but-not-heard one. Well, I use layer 1 for the principle notation and layers 2 and 3 have always been sufficient for any extra layers I need (which is generally very seldom, as I used voice 2 whenever I can), and it has never been a hardship to sacrifice playback of layer 4. In short, I've never encounterd a situation where I needed music in all 4 layers and also needed to define something for playback that was different from the display on top of that. I guess if you had 3 layers with an ornament in them, you'd run into a problem, but that might be doable in a single layer. Possibly. > I'm sure there must be a way around this, though. Isn't that what the > "easy tremolos" plug-in does? > > On the occasions when I've needed to fix grace notes to play back as > appoggiaturas, I've used the MIDI tool, not an invisible layer. I always use an invisible layer because it is far more intuitive to me to say "play this as a quarter followed by a half" instead of having to figure out how many [whatever] units I have to delay the two notes by. And the music I work with has plenty of appoggiaturas, so I deal with it a lot. -- David W. Fenton | http://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associates | http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Another thing that's wrong with EDIT LYRICS
On 26 Sep 2002 at 0:49, Mark D. Lew wrote: > At 4:56 PM 09/25/02, David W. Fenton wrote: > > >Is Apple consistent in using shift keys > >on the arrows for moving the cursor to the beginning or end of a > >line/document? > > Only in the sense that it consistently doesn't. > > In many Mac applications, shift-arrow resembles a click-drag, . . . I didn't mean just the shift key, I meant *all* the shift keys, command, option, control *and* shift. > . . . so that it > results in selecting text. I use this occasionally, when I've got skinny > little characters and I want to make sure I select them right. It's > particularly helpful in word processors where the space between italic and > non-italic texts isn't very easy to grab with the mouse. > > I'm sure you'd hate it, since it's not the standard you're used to. As > everyone know, Mac has its own standards. Well, shift-arrow for selecting is something that I was using in applications long before Windows. It is, I believe, part of the CUA standards (I could be wrong on that). And you're absolutely right that it is often the only easy way to select, because one's control of cursor position is so much finer than when using the mouse to select. -- David W. Fenton | http://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associates | http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Collision of 2nds between layers & Blank Notation
On 26 Sep 2002 at 9:11, Michael Cook wrote: > I'm not sure why blank notation affects spacing. I expect there are > situations where this is desirable - does anyone make use of this? > > For your problem with playback of ornaments you could try this: leave > the printed music in layer 1 and apply blank notation to layer 4 > (this wasn't possible in older versions of Finale). As far as I can > tell, it always seems to be the layer 4 notes that get pushed to the > right. If layer 4 is only used for playback, you can also set it not > to affect music spacing (in Document Options - Layers). Well, yes, that would avoid the immediate problem, but it causes a whole bunch of others. My whole setup is based on the fact that I have no instrument defined for playback of layer 4, and all the sounding notation in layer 1, visible or not. If I move the invisible (sounding) notation to a different layer and leave the visible notation in layer 1, notation that shouldn't be heard, I then have to turn off playback for that measure, and back on when it's done. That's obviously not acceptable, so it basically means moving the sounding notation to the bottom layer, #4, and putting any non-sounding notation in a higher layer. While that will work consistently, it would be inconvenient to have layer 4 be your main notation layer, just because Finale opens with layer 1 active. A small thing, but it shows that the workaround is not satisfactory. And it doesn't change the fact that blank notation in *any* layer should not have an effect on spacing of visible notation. > By the way, if you do need to respace seconds so that the notes > coincide instead of avoiding each other, uncheck collision of seconds > AND set manual positioning to "clear", then apply music spacing. Sorry, but I looked high and low on the menus and in the OLD, but cannot find any setting to clear manual spacing. Where is it? Obviously, I'm just not looking in the right place. -- David W. Fenton | http://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associates | http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure number regions
On 26 Sep 2002 at 9:44, Jari Williamsson wrote: > David W. Fenton writes: > > > To me, Finale assumes wrong -- I *don't* know that at all, because > > who has time to keep track of how many measures there are in each > > section? Who cares? Of what use is that information? > > You don't need to keep track of the numbers of measures in each section. > Finale will not display the region number when there are no ambiguities > where the displayed measure number is. But you can still _enter_ the > region number, even when Finale will not display it in the box for the > specific measure. Or you can enter the physical measure number using > the '#' character. But the information about which section I'm in is useful as a display. Users of my programs would kill me if I displayed something different to them than what they had to enter to *get* to that place, or if what displayed was different (even if equivalent) from what they entered to get there. I don't see any utility at all in omitting the section number for measures that fall within a measure number region. -- David W. Fenton | http://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associates | http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius advice
> >Actually, Sib 2 does allow you to set independent margins on left >and right facing pages, which is what you're asking about, right? > But can you do that *and* have a third set of margins for page 1? -- Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Finale "Don'ts" - was "Lyrics Freakout"
>On 24 Sep 2002 at 20:11, Philip Aker wrote: > >> On Tuesday, Sep 24, 2002, at 13:28 US/Pacific, David W. Fenton wrote: >> >> > You can't assign articulations/expressions to a note in voice 2. >> >> Use the Shift key. > >Shift key? Well, for metatools, that won't work. > >I note in WinFin2003 that metatools work normally on voice 2, so one >of my chief problems with voice 2 is gone! That's a really nice >thing. > >-- >David W. Fenton | In every version from 2K0 on, you assign an artic. to a voice by clicking above the notes for voice one and below them for voice two. Works just the same for metatools. What's all the fuss? -- Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Public domain songs in a minor key
>You wrote: > >>Thanks! I think I even have that one. >> >>All The Pretty Little Horses -- a beautiful song that will help >>preserve our American folk heritage. This from Susie, the folk song expert in the family. Yes, a lovely song, but with a devestatingly sad story. But there are a good many dorian minor folk songs, and the list below is an excellent start. (Thanks, Hal!) (Yes, I was wrong in my previous post. Mea culpa!) John > > >Dear Crystal, > >I have did an arrangement of "All the Pretty Little Horses" for SSA >and Piano that's still available from Theodore Presser. > >Here are more songs you might use. Many of them are in minor-type >modes (Dorian, Aeolian): > > Ground Hog > The Erie Canal > We Three Kings of Orient Are > Greensleeves > Bound for the Promised Land > El-a-noy > I am a Poor Wayfaring Stranger > Willy the Weeper > Peter Gray > Johnny has Gone for a Soldier > The Waggle-Taggle Gypsies, O > The Three Ravens > The Drunken Sailor > Drill, Ye Tarriers, Drill > Meadowlands > Hatikvah > The Coventry Carol > God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen > Hanukkah Song > Black is the Color of my True Love's Hair > Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence > Wondrous Love > >Minor is so much more fun than major - all those moveable degrees! > >Best regards, > >Harold Owen John & Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Positioning first/second endings
Hi all, After several years with Finale, I'm just now working on the first project of mine to use first and second endings. I notice that it's difficult to find a consistent height for the bracket -- it's either too high or too low, depending on how far above the staff the notes sit. And when I have both first and second endings, adjusting the height means separately moving three different items (the first ending front bracket, the first ending back bracket, and the second ending bracket). Am I missing something? Or might this be an excellent candidate for a plugin (move ending brackets in selected measures to a specified distance above the highest entry)? Thanks, Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Collision of 2nds between layers & Blank Notation
David W. Fenton writes: > In this particular piece, I have no need at all for other layers > except for playback of ornaments, so I can turn off second collision > without a problem, but isn't it a bug that the blank notation is > being used in spacing calculations? It didn't used to be so in > Finale97 and earlier, and I think that's preferable. The new method (Finale 2002 and above) is much more flexible. You can turn ON/OFF spacing on 3 different levels (layer/note entry/note). You can also turn playback ON/OFF on 4 different levels (instrument list/layer/note entry/note). Layer options are available in the document options, entry and note settings are available in the [not-so-easy-to-use] Edit Frame. I have now created a tiny plug-in (called "JW Spacing & Playback") that you can download if you need it. This plug-in allows you to turn spacing (or playback) ON or OFF for a selection (such as notes in a single layer), without the need to modify the global layer options: http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/ Docs available at: http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/jwspacingplayback.html Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2002b files on Finale 2001b?
Your client has to save the files as Enigma transportable files and give them to you, and then you do the trick with replacing the file headers. Crystal Premo schreef: > >>What David wrote is only partial true - yes, it's not backward compatible, > >>BUT! you are able to use these 2002 files - it is a little awkward though. > >> You have to first open those files with 2002 and save them as Enigma > >>files << > > Wouldn't I need Finale 2002 to open the 2002 files? In which case, I could > just work on them with 2002. > > Crystal Premo > [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > ___ > Finale mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stuck key with Articulations?
At 09/23/2002 04:54 AM, Mr. Liudas Motekaitis wrote: >Yes. Don't buy new keyboards. Older keyboards had two features which make >them more attractive to me (and you can get adapters for the cable >connection). However, new keyboards have some useful keys, like sleep, wake up and power down. However, I wish the power down key wasn't right next to the wake up key ;-) Phil Daley < AutoDesk > http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Another thing that's wrong with EDIT LYRICS
At 09/25/2002 04:56 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: >I utilize the Windows key shortcuts more than probably any other >(Windows-E, Windows-F, Windows-R and Windows-M are the ones I use >quite frequently; the only other ones I'm aware of are Windows-D >(minimize current window) and Windows-U (MS narrator on Win2K, which >I didn't know existed!)), and can barely work on a keyboard without >the Windows key (I can do without the properties key, but do use it >frequently in the programming IDE that I use on a daily basis). Press To Windows key Display or hide the Start menu. Windows key+BREAK Display the System Properties dialog box. Windows key+M Minimize or restore all windows. Windows key+E Open My Computer. Windows key+F Search for a file or folder. CTRL+ Windows key+F Search for computers. Windows key+F1 Display Windows 2000 Help. Windows key+R Open the Run dialog box. Windows key+TAB Switch between open items. Windows key+U Open Utility Manager Menu key Display the shortcut menu for the selected item. >This is all a ridiculous discussion, as almost all Windows programs >(per the MS UI guidelines) have keyboard shortcuts defined for EVERY >COMMAND ON EVERY MENU AND IN EVERY DIALOG. They shortcuts may not be >logical, but they exist, and you can tell what they are from simply >looking at the screen. Right, and boy do we get it, if we forget to add them to all items ;-) >Now I can understand why you think shifted arrow keys are superior to >dedicated keys on the keyboard. Anyone who would hold up the EMACS >keyboard interface in whatever dialect as a model shows that they are >way to oriented towards modal behavior. The direction of GUI design >forever and ever has been to get away from modal behaviors, and move >towards consistent behavior in all contexts. I never could use EMACS, seemed like WordPerfect all over again. Phil Daley < AutoDesk > http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2002b files on Finale 2001b?
Crystal Premo wrote: > >>What David wrote is only partial true - yes, it's not backward compatible, > >>BUT! you are able to use these 2002 files - it is a little awkward though. > >> You have to first open those files with 2002 and save them as Enigma > >>files << > > Wouldn't I need Finale 2002 to open the 2002 files? unless you specifiy to the client that he needs to provide you with Finale ~.etf files ns ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2002b files on Finale 2001b?
>>What David wrote is only partial true - yes, it's not backward compatible, >>BUT! you are able to use these 2002 files - it is a little awkward though. >> You have to first open those files with 2002 and save them as Enigma >>files << Wouldn't I need Finale 2002 to open the 2002 files? In which case, I could just work on them with 2002. Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Collision of 2nds between layers & Blank Notation
At 9:11 AM 09/26/02, Michael Cook wrote: >I'm not sure why blank notation affects spacing. I expect there are >situations where this is desirable - does anyone make use of this? Now that I'm aware of it, I can think of some times when it would be useful as a kludge, but on the whole this strikes me as very UN-desirable It seems to me that blank notation should not affect spacing, and I was surprised to discover it otherwise when I tried out David's example. > [...] If layer 4 is only used for playback, you can also set it not >to affect music spacing (in Document Options - Layers). Aha, THERE it is! I knew there was a way to tell Finale to ignore the music for spacing, but I looked for it in the Staff Style definition and in Music Spacing Options, and not Layer Options. I think this would be more convenient if it were a check box in the Alternate Notation section of Staff Style definitions (and turned on by default on the Blank staff styles that Coda provides). The problem with Layer Options is that it affects that layer for the entire piece, so if you want that layer visible elsewhere, you're out of luck. I suppose you can just get into the habit of making layer 4 always be the invisible one, but wouldn't that be awkward for playback? I don't usually do much playback, but I would think you'd want the main layer that you use for the voice to match the heard-but-not-seen layer, not the seen-but-not-heard one. I'm sure there must be a way around this, though. Isn't that what the "easy tremolos" plug-in does? On the occasions when I've needed to fix grace notes to play back as appoggiaturas, I've used the MIDI tool, not an invisible layer. mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Another thing that's wrong with EDIT LYRICS
At 4:56 PM 09/25/02, David W. Fenton wrote: >Is Apple consistent in using shift keys >on the arrows for moving the cursor to the beginning or end of a >line/document? Only in the sense that it consistently doesn't. In many Mac applications, shift-arrow resembles a click-drag, so that it results in selecting text. I use this occasionally, when I've got skinny little characters and I want to make sure I select them right. It's particularly helpful in word processors where the space between italic and non-italic texts isn't very easy to grab with the mouse. I'm sure you'd hate it, since it's not the standard you're used to. As everyone know, Mac has its own standards. mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure number regions
David W. Fenton writes: > To me, Finale assumes wrong -- I *don't* know that at all, because > who has time to keep track of how many measures there are in each > section? Who cares? Of what use is that information? You don't need to keep track of the numbers of measures in each section. Finale will not display the region number when there are no ambiguities where the displayed measure number is. But you can still _enter_ the region number, even when Finale will not display it in the box for the specific measure. Or you can enter the physical measure number using the '#' character. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
