Re: [Finale] Opera Score Order

[Eric Fiedler]

Hi Robert,
I just asked my brother-in-law, who is an opera singer in Mannheim, for his 
take on this, and he says as far as he knows it’s just a question of voice 
type: high above low, with no preference given to the importance of the role.
Hope this helps.
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> On 24. Apr 2019, at 15:05, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> I am interested to know if there is any particular convention around the
> score order for vocal parts in an opera. Is it strictly by voice type, or
> is there a preference given to principle vs. secondary parts? Or some other
> convention I haven't thought of?
> 
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[Finale] Playback problems with older files

[Eric Fiedler]

Has anyone in the congregation had this problem?
(FinMac25, OS 10.12.6)
We recently opened an old file from 2002 (opened/saved in FinMac 2012, then 
opened/saved in FinMac 25), made some formatting changes, and saved to FinMac 
25. Now we can’t get the file to play back over Midi. In the Midi-setup dialog 
box the midi keyboard has been selected for both input and output (as always), 
but there is still no playback. We have had this problem before, always with 
older files. What are we missing? 
Thanks for your input.
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Re: [Finale] Fin 25 and Mojave Compatibility

[Eric Fiedler]

I'm glad to hear that. But is Fin 2014 (or 2012, for that matter) going to be 
compatable with Mojave?

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> On 3 Oct 2018, at 12:29, Jon Delfin  wrote:
> 
> That announcement was released before Mojave was available on September 24.
> 
> On September 25, Finale withdrew the warning:
> https://www.finalemusic.com/blog/finale-mojave-compatibility-update/
> 
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:09 PM Eric Fiedler 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I think even Fin25 has some problems with Mojave (see following notice
>> from Finale blog):
>> 
>> Finale and macOS Mojave
>> Apple has announced that the macOS Mojave operating system (version 10.14)
>> will be released this Monday, September 24, 2018.
>> The new macOS isn't compatible with Finale 2014. If you're using Finale
>> 2014, we recommend not upgrading your macOS to Mojave.
>> Finale version 26, planned for release later this year, will fully support
>> macOS Mojave.
>> Find the latest news on the Finale blog.
>> 
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>> 
>>> On 03.10.2018, at 10:19, Giovanni Andreani 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> First time working with Finale 25 (last updated version) after
>> installing MacOS Mojave.
>>> When typing lyrics into score, after exiting, Finale freezes and my only
>> option is to force quit. The file is pretty much long, a 50 pages with
>> single staff, heavy use of staff styles and many lyrics inserted.
>>> The same issue happened in a previous version of Finale, I think it was
>> Fin 2012, but I'm not sure: I remember finding a workaround by duplicating
>> the file by working on the single page I needed to create and then
>> re-assembling it in the original one by copy-pasting it.
>>> Is this a known issue?


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Re: [Finale] Fin 25 and Mojave Compatibility

[Eric Fiedler]

I think even Fin25 has some problems with Mojave (see following notice from 
Finale blog):

Finale and macOS Mojave
Apple has announced that the macOS Mojave operating system (version 10.14) will 
be released this Monday, September 24, 2018. 
The new macOS isn't compatible with Finale 2014. If you're using Finale 2014, 
we recommend not upgrading your macOS to Mojave.
Finale version 26, planned for release later this year, will fully support 
macOS Mojave. 
Find the latest news on the Finale blog.


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> On 03.10.2018, at 10:19, Giovanni Andreani  wrote:
> 
> First time working with Finale 25 (last updated version) after installing 
> MacOS Mojave.
> When typing lyrics into score, after exiting, Finale freezes and my only 
> option is to force quit. The file is pretty much long, a 50 pages with single 
> staff, heavy use of staff styles and many lyrics inserted.
> The same issue happened in a previous version of Finale, I think it was Fin 
> 2012, but I'm not sure: I remember finding a workaround by duplicating the 
> file by working on the single page I needed to create and then re-assembling 
> it in the original one by copy-pasting it.
> Is this a known issue?
> 
> Thank you
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Re: [Finale] Inserting Sharp and Flat Symbols in a Text String

[Eric Fiedler]

Or "Times and musical Roman".

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> On 1 Oct 2018, at 07:15, Eric Fiedler  wrote:
> 
> The "Bach" font can do this.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1 Oct 2018, at 06:20, Giovanni Andreani  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I’m setting a database where users will be finding themselves entering data 
>> relative to composers and compositions. They’ll be also selecting key 
>> signatures which will be already set into a value list from them to choose 
>> from. My problem is that to find a font which’ll allow me to display the 
>> sharp and flat symbols within a text string without having to align them 
>> vertically or having to trim exceeding spaces above or below the entered 
>> symbols.
>> 
>> Thank you
>> Giovanni
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Giovanni Andreani
>> 
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>> www.ga-music.com <http://www.ga-music.com/>
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Inserting Sharp and Flat Symbols in a Text String

[Eric Fiedler]

The "Bach" font can do this.

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> On 1 Oct 2018, at 06:20, Giovanni Andreani  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I’m setting a database where users will be finding themselves entering data 
> relative to composers and compositions. They’ll be also selecting key 
> signatures which will be already set into a value list from them to choose 
> from. My problem is that to find a font which’ll allow me to display the 
> sharp and flat symbols within a text string without having to align them 
> vertically or having to trim exceeding spaces above or below the entered 
> symbols.
> 
> Thank you
> Giovanni
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Giovanni Andreani
> 
> www.giovanniandreani.com 
> www.ga-music.com 
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] off topic: German for "competition music"?

[Eric Fiedler]

"Eine kleine Probemusik" , with its reference to Mozart, would sound good in 
German ears.
Good luck!
Eric

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> On 5 Sep 2017, at 21:56, David Froom  wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Thank you for this discussion and the many ideas. 
> 
> I'm writing a set of short compulsory works for a competition called the 
> Klein competition. I was hoping to be able to make an overall silly title for 
> the set that is a play on Klein and on Mozart's"Eine kleine". So something 
> like "Eine Kleine Probstmusik" (or Wettbeverbsmusik). For this to work, I 
> would need it to end with Musik, both for the wordplay and the gender. 
> 
> Any ideas for the last word of the title that wouldn't be completely 
> illiterate to a German speaker? Or better just to drop this idea?
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> David
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Re: [Finale] off topic: German for "competition music"?

[Eric Fiedler]

The word you’re looking for is „Probestück“ (das, plural Probestücke). These 
were the compositions which composers routinely sent with their applications 
for a new position – and were subsequently often asked to perform at their 
prospective workplace if they made the cut.
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> Am 05.09.2017 um 19:52 schrieb David Froom :
> 
> Can someone help me with what a word would be in German? I’m looking for a 
> word that would be used for “competition music,” as in music written 
> specifically to be used in a music competition (e.g., a new work required of 
> all participants).
> 
> I know the standard word in German for music competition is Musikwettbeverb. 
> But I can’t verify if that is reversible, that is, if the music for the 
> competition would be Wettbeverbmusik or Wettbeverbsmusik or two separate 
> words (or a completely different word). I know also Musik is feminine, while 
> Wettbeverb is masculine. If Wettbeverbmusik is a word, would it be feminine?
> 
> Thank you in advance!
> 
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Re: [Finale] Time signatures in text document

[Eric Fiedler]

You could use the fonts "Times musical roman" or "Bach", which don't affect the 
line spacing as does "Maestro", and include a number of time signatures.
Eric

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> On 16 Apr 2017, at 17:08, Michael Lawlor  wrote:
> 
> I want to include time signatures in a Word document, preferably with 
> one number directly above the other, rather than making it look like a 
> fraction.  I have tried superscripts and subscripts, but something 
> resembling real music notation would be better.  Also, I do not just 
> want regular time signatures, I also want to include 3/1, 6/2...  Does 
> anyone have any advice to provide on the easiest way to do this?
> 
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Re: [Finale] To finale list: Coloured noteheads, WHY?

[Eric Fiedler]

Are they notes that are outside the range of the selected instrument? This 
would be Finale's warning that such notes are not playable. They print fine 
though.

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> On 31 Mar 2017, at 15:24, Sigurdur Jonsson  wrote:
> 
> Dear friends.
> 
> Now, on a new project, some noteheads come up coloured. I don´t think I 
> changed anything.
> 
> According to A-Z in user manual, it is said that in Windows ≥ Score manager I 
> can select coloured noteheads. But my problem is that I can not see that 
> notehead colours have been selected. How can I get rid of this, please?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Diddi
> 
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Re: [Finale] finale's 12-step programme

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Could it have been on the website on April 1, 2016? ;-)

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> Am 28.11.2016 um 11:35 schrieb SN jef chippewa 
> :
> 
> 
> did anyone else see this on the finale website?  can no longer find 
> the page where i came across it, but thought i would share it, it 
> really is a beautiful thing.
> 
> 1. We admitted we were powerless without our client base -- that our 
> software had become unmanageable.
> 2. Came to believe that the reasoning of our client base could 
> restore us to sanity.
> 3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to take care 
> of our clients as they deserve.
> 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
> 5. Admitted to our clients, to ourselves, and to our shareholders the 
> exact nature of our wrongs.
> 6. Were entirely ready to work hard to remove all these defects of character.
> 7. Humbly asked our client base to forgive us of our shortcomings.
> 8. Made a list of all outstanding issues and bugs, and became willing 
> to correct them on our own time and budget in a timely fashion.
> 9. Made direct improvements to our software, and continue to do so 
> instead of just pretending to have forgotten the problems and hoping 
> they would eventually go away.
> 10. Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, 
> promptly admitted it.
> 11. Sought through focus and dedication to improve our conscious 
> contact with our client base which we now strive to understand and 
> support better, promising to improve our knowledge and to find the 
> power to carry that out.
> 12. Having had a professional awakening as the result of these steps, 
> we insisted on carrying this message publicly to show our committment 
> to our betterment, and promise to practice these principles in all 
> our affairs.
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Re: [Finale] MacFin 2012 speedy note entry issue

[Eric Fiedler]

This happens to me regularly. Fin seems to lose contact with the midi-interface 
when left on but not used for a while. Closing Fin and logging out and then in 
again (or reboot) usually helps.

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> On 16.07.2016, at 19:49, Martin Banner  wrote:
> 
> I was inputting some notes into a file in speedy note entry with my 
> synthesizer without any problems. I then shut down Finale for a while, 
> restarted Finale and opened up the file to continue inputting some notes, and 
> now the only thing I get when I press a key on the synthesizer and then press 
> a key on the computer number pad, are rests. Any idea what’s wrong now, or 
> what I need to do so I can continue inputting notes using my synth and 
> computer number pad? I have no problem with playback, that’s fine. Thanks in 
> advance for any help you can offer.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Problem converting older file (1999)

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Thanks jef and all the others who have sent in their thoughts on this.
But after my initial panic I managed to solve this one myself. I went to 
Document > Data check > Font Utilities and checked „Check Document Fonts 
against System Fonts“ and that did it. Weird … or maybe logical. I’m not sure 
which. But your suggestion probably would have worked too.
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> Am 19.02.2016 um 02:43 schrieb SN jef chippewa 
> :
> 
> 
> document options (cmd-opt-a on mac):
> - check what font you have set in Font/Notation/Noteheads, get rid of petrucci
> - check settings in Notes & Rests/Notehead(Rest) Characters memu items
> 
> it sounds like this should work, if not, send me (personally, not to 
> list) a file and i could have a look
> 
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[Finale] Problem converting older file (1999)

[Eric Fiedler]

Friends,
REcently I’ve been trying to bring some older files from the last century 
(1999; what version of Finale would _that_ have been?) up to date for second 
editions. Although FinMac 2012c has done a pretty good job, there have been 
several glitches. The most annoying: all the half-note rests in the documents 
have been replaced with (bb) (two flat signs in parenthesis. I have tried 
reentry of course, but that didnt help. The character mapping seems to have 
changed between (what was probably) Petrucci and Maestro. Any suggestions as to 
how I should deal with this, that is, replace the (bb)s with half-rests?
Thanks for any and all thoughts on this!
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[Finale] Midi problem mit OS 10.10.4 redux

[Eric Fiedler]

David and friends,
Sorry to belabor the list with our problems, but time is running out …
We now have a new MIDI interface and the computer is once again talking to the 
MIDI keyboard. Note entry is fine, but playback is very strange – possible due 
to too much fiddling around trying to fix the old system. When I enter a series 
of four-voice chords on one staff, for example, only the lowest note in each 
chord plays back! What have we messed up and/or what are we missing and how can 
we fix it?
Thanks for any and all ideas.
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Re: [Finale] Midi problems with OS 10.10.4

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Thanks David, I had suspected something like this. Looks like a trip to our 
local music-tech shop is the only way to go.
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> Am 27.07.2015 um 11:32 schrieb David H. Bailey :
> 
> On 7/27/2015 4:54 AM, Eric Fiedler wrote:
>> Friends, Fin Mac 2012c.r13, iMac late 2009. After more or less having
>> to upgrade to OS 10.10.4, our MIDI interface (Midiman Midisport 2x2)
>> has stopped working. Seems to have completely lost contactwith the
>> computer’s USB, as no lights are lighted in the box. Are there known
>> problems with this (rather old) interface? This is a major problem
>> for us and has to be solved PDQ. Thanks for any suggestion pr
>> thoughts you may have! Eric
> 
> I'm not sure about OSx but when Windows moved to class-compliant 
> devices, many makers of older devices which required specific drivers 
> simply stopped writing updates for them.  The Midiman Midisport 2x2 was 
> one of them -- instead the manufacturers brought out new versions of the 
> devices which are class-compliant which in the Windows world at least 
> means that specific drivers are not necessary because the operating 
> system has all the necessary hooks in it for those devices to work.
> 
> So I ended up having to throw my Midisport 2x2 out and buy a different 
> interface.
> 
> My advice is to contact Sweetwater or a local music store which 
> understands these things and ask them for more details on the situation 
> as well as for a recommendation of a midi interface to fill your needs.
> 
> 
> 
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[Finale] Midi problems with OS 10.10.4

[Eric Fiedler]

Friends,
Fin Mac 2012c.r13, iMac late 2009. After more or less having to upgrade to OS 
10.10.4, our MIDI interface (Midiman Midisport 2x2) has stopped working. Seems 
to have completely lost contactwith the computer’s USB, as no lights are 
lighted in the box. Are there known problems with this (rather old) interface? 
This is a major problem for us and has to be solved PDQ. Thanks for any 
suggestion pr thoughts you may have!
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Re: [Finale] old file blues

[Eric Fiedler]

Thanks Jan, your first tip (DO>N&R>R>H) solved the problem. It seems the font 
mapping had somehow become corrupted over time. Good to know this can happen – 
and how to fix it.
Grüße aus Frankfurt!
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Am 29.05.2015 um 12:49 schrieb Jan Angermüller :

> Did you check if the half-rest symbol is still set correctly ? Maybe it 
> somehow changed to the (bb) ?
> Go to: Document Options->Notes and Rests->Rest Characters->Half
> Maybe you can select the correct rest symbol there ?
> 
> If it still doesn't work as it is a broken font issue, you can switch 
> the rest font to a font that still works fine (which of course affects 
> all rests of the document). Go to Document Options->Fonts->Notation->Rests
> 
> Best regards from Hamburg,
> Jan Angermueller
> 
> Am 29.05.2015 um 12:42 schrieb Eric Fiedler:
>> Has this ever happened to anyone on the list?
>> FinMac 2012c.r13
>> I've opened an old file created toward the end of the last century (I'm not 
>> sure what version of Finale this was), and everything is OK except the half 
>> rest, which has been replaced by the double-flat-in-brackets glyph (bb). Is 
>> there anything I can do to get the half-rest back short of buying some kind 
>> of font manipulation software?
>> Thanks for any thoughts and/or advice on this.
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[Finale] old file blues

[Eric Fiedler]

Has this ever happened to anyone on the list?
FinMac 2012c.r13
I've opened an old file created toward the end of the last century (I'm not 
sure what version of Finale this was), and everything is OK except the half 
rest, which has been replaced by the double-flat-in-brackets glyph (bb). Is 
there anything I can do to get the half-rest back short of buying some kind of 
font manipulation software?
Thanks for any thoughts and/or advice on this.
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Re: [Finale] Automatic saves in Finale 2014: how do I set the folders for them?

[Eric Fiedler]

Finale > Preferences > Folders
Just like on a PC  ;-)
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Am 28.12.2014 um 12:59 schrieb David H. Bailey 
:
> 
> I don't know which folder to look under for the Preferences dialog on Macs.


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Re: [Finale] Uninstall Finale 2014 and How to Manage and Control One's Frustration

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Mac or PC?
On a Mac "App Zapper" Or "App Delete" do what you want.
Eric

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> On 10.11.2014, at 09:10, Giovanni Andreani  wrote:
> 
> I'm re-experiencing a past nightmare where Finale always asked me for the 
> authorization code, every single time I launched it. MM support never came up 
> with an effective solution, although they did try hard to help, I solved the 
> problem by clean-installing Maveriks and gradually putting everything back 
> into place.
> 
> Now the same problem's back again and it was triggered when (this yime I foud 
> out!)I repaired permissions via Utility Disk.
> 
> I tried to reinstall Finale by re-downloading the installer after moving the 
> Finale package from the Applications folder to the trash; MM, from its 
> support pages, suggest no uninstall procedure but just trashing the package. 
> When relaunching the new installed Finale, problems where still there and I 
> realised that, probably, uninstalling just by trashing was not enough, 
> because the TG Tools (the full purchased version) where showing in Finale's 
> menu without me having downloaded them.
> 
> My question therefore is: what to do or, better, where to search to get rid 
> of all files related to Finale to guarantee a fully clean uninstall process?
> I suppose that, at that point, reinstalling should guarantee a less awkward 
> Finale's behaviour.
> At least, I'm hoping...
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] non-US/CA users: keyboard layout

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For some of the most common keyboard shortcuts I've found equivalents on my 
German keyboard (switching between voice 1 and 2, for instance, is Command-`). 
For other things – grace notes in particular – I haven't found a key 
combination that tworks, so I usually switch to US. Which means that I have to 
remember to switch back, otherwise  other keyboard shortcuts start producing 
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Am 30.10.2014 um 08:38 schrieb SN jef chippewa :

> 
> i use french-canadian keyboard layout but always switch to US when 
> using finale, as i always had the impression that was the layout that 
> the programme was built around.  then again, i have the english 
> version of the programme.
> 
> the mapping to numbers and shift-numbers in german and french 
> keyboards is very different, so i am curious to know how users with 
> those keyboards deal.  do you change to US keyboard layout or do you 
> just learn with your keyboard layout?
> 
> i'm trying to reorganize my fonts for better ordering of the characters.
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Re: [Finale] Barline question

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It loads fine for me. Thanks jef!
Good luck Haraldo!
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Am 30.09.2014 um 21:54 schrieb Haroldo Mauro :

> This page:
> 
>> http://newmusicnotation.com/TEMPFILES/mauro_ritornello.pdf
> 
> 
> doesn't load (server not responding)
> 
> 
> 
> On 30/09/2014, at 11:54, SN jef chippewa wrote:
> 
>> 
>> staff group 1: all instruments, no barline
>> staff group 2: upper 4 instruments
>> staff attributes on lead and CB set to break barlines between staves 
>> and break repeat barlines between staves
>> 
>> staff style "barlines, don't break" - uncheck break barlines between 
>> staves and break repeat barlines between staves
>> 
>> apply staff style to SC only for the lead and CB parts on selected 
>> end-of-system measures; do the same for ONLY the first half of the 
>> selected start-of-systems measures.
>> 
>> is that what you are trying to get?
>> http://newmusicnotation.com/TEMPFILES/mauro_ritornello.pdf
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Re: [Finale] Beaming Groups of Tuplet 16ths

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Hi Patricia,
Have you tried Special Tools > Secondary Beam Break Tool? Click on beams. 
Select the forth box from the left and press enter. A dialog appears asking 
what to do. Tell it "Break only" and check "16th". It just worked for me.
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Am 16.07.2014 um 07:53 schrieb Patricia Spedden :

> Does anyone know how to beam two groups of 16th note triplets with an 8th 
> beam to clearly show two halves of one beat?  When I press the slash key, it 
> automatically beams both sets of triplet 16ths with a continuous 6-note 
> double beam, and I need to show the rhythm more clearly.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
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Re: [Finale] OT: Baroque Articulation

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I would try to reproduce the sign (a hyphen rotated 90 degrees CCW) in your 
editions. Most specialists will know what to do with it. The consensus seems to 
be something between a "marcato" and a slightly shortend, slightly accented  
"portato". Easy enough in "Shape Designer".
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Am 20.05.2014 um 18:02 schrieb Lawrence Yates :

> For those who transcribe baroque manuscripts.
> 
> Am I correct in assuming that the articulation mark that looks like a
> modern staccatissimo "dagger" should be transcribed as a modern staccato
> dot?
> 
> It has been suggested to me that it should be interpreted as an articulated
> note and not necessarily as a staccato in the modern sense (or is this
> rubbish?)
> 
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Re: [Finale] Opening new document - can I change page size

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Hi Lawrence,
I did this (on a Mac) by going to 
(root)>Library>AppSupp>MM>Fin2012>MusicFiles>DefaultFiles>MaestroFontDefault 
and using the Page Layout tool to changethe paper size.
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Am 12.05.2014 um 01:33 schrieb Lawrence Yates :

> Hi,
> 
> When I use the document setup wizard to create a new file the page size
> default is "letter".
> 
> Is there any way I can change this to A4?
> 
> At the moment I have to manually change the page size every time and with
> my great age and weakening intellect I very often forget.  To have the
> default as A4 would make life easier.
> 
> I tried changing the Maestro Default.FTM file but that didn't work.  Some
> time ago I tried altering another file somewhere and put A4 to the top of
> the list but the programme still defaulted to "letter".
> 
> I can't find anything in the manual that refers to this (unless they've
> called it something I haven't thought of.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: [Finale] FINMAC Clear key alternative?

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I'm not sure I'd want to delete my shirt. At least not in public.  ;-)
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Am 21.02.2014 um 07:09 schrieb J D Thomas :

> Shirt-Delete works for laptop KBs.  Try that.
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Re: [Finale] Where are the preference files?

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Thanks Darcy. That was it. 
I guess our problem(s) had to do with upgrading from a (relatively) old (but 
solid) OS (10.6.8) to a new one (10.8.5). With a "baby-steps" approach to 
upgrading we might not have missed so much of the "action".
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On 18.10.2013, at 20:16, Darcy James Argue  wrote:

> You need to hold down the option key when accessing the Finder's "Go" menu to 
> access this folder in recent versions of OS X.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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> On Oct 18, 2013, at 2:00 PM, David Wolfson  
> wrote:
> 
>> They're in User Folder>Library>Preferences, called 
>> com.MakeMusic.Finale.plist. 
>> 
>> David Wolfson
>> davidwolfsonmusic.net
>> 
>> On Oct 18, 2013, at 1:00 PM,  wrote:
>> 
>>> And where the heck _are_ the preference files anyway?
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Re: [Finale] Disappearing scrolls with OS 10.8.5

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Sadly, the change to "Always Show Scroll Bars" in SystPrefs>General didn't help 
and I'm still confronted with the following dialog box when I want to change 
the key signature:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hyt99as8d5si7dj/Screen%20Shot%202013-10-18.tiff

While I can deal with it (by clicking where the scroll bar arrows used to be), 
I think this just might qualify as a BUG (at least in Mac OS 10.8.5). What does 
the congregation think?
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On 18.10.2013, at 12:08, Eric Fiedler  wrote:

> Thanks, Michael, the "System Preferences>General" is a good tip. What I'm 
> talking about you can see on the following link:
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hyt99as8d5si7dj/Screen%20Shot%202013-10-18.tiff
> 
> While I do understand that Apple doesn't like scroll bars anymore, you must 
> admit that such a dialog box might be a little confusing for beginners and 
> professionals alike. It certainly was for me! MM, are you listening?
> BTW: do you know where the Finale Preferences have gone to?
> Cheers!
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> On 18.10.2013, at 10:23, Michael  wrote:
> 
>>> But, I mean, what kind of interface is _that_!?
>> 
>> Not a good one. Scroll bars shouldn't be being used for incremental changes 
>> such as those found in the Key Signature or Time Signature tools. Apple has 
>> provided up/down arrows to be used where a value can be altered by set 
>> increments. Finale actually uses these arrows in other situations: you can 
>> see them, for instance, in the Playback Controls window. Next to the arrows 
>> is a field where you can enter a numerical value directly if you prefer.
>> 
>> If you want to always see scroll bars in Mac OS X, you can set this in 
>> System Preferences> General.
>> 
>> For those places in Finale where scroll bars are being used instead of the 
>> more appropriate arrows + number field, tell MakeMusic about it. I have 
>> already voiced my displeasure here and I know that others have done the 
>> same. It's the usual story: if more users show dissatisfaction, MakeMusic 
>> are more likely to do something about it.
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Disappearing scrolls with OS 10.8.5

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Thanks, Michael, the "System Preferences>General" is a good tip. What I'm 
talking about you can see on the following link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hyt99as8d5si7dj/Screen%20Shot%202013-10-18.tiff

While I do understand that Apple doesn't like scroll bars anymore, you must 
admit that such a dialog box might be a little confusing for beginners and 
professionals alike. It certainly was for me! MM, are you listening?
BTW: do you know where the Finale Preferences have gone to?
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On 18.10.2013, at 10:23, Michael  wrote:

>> But, I mean, what kind of interface is _that_!?
> 
> Not a good one. Scroll bars shouldn't be being used for incremental changes 
> such as those found in the Key Signature or Time Signature tools. Apple has 
> provided up/down arrows to be used where a value can be altered by set 
> increments. Finale actually uses these arrows in other situations: you can 
> see them, for instance, in the Playback Controls window. Next to the arrows 
> is a field where you can enter a numerical value directly if you prefer.
> 
> If you want to always see scroll bars in Mac OS X, you can set this in System 
> Preferences> General.
> 
> For those places in Finale where scroll bars are being used instead of the 
> more appropriate arrows + number field, tell MakeMusic about it. I have 
> already voiced my displeasure here and I know that others have done the same. 
> It's the usual story: if more users show dissatisfaction, MakeMusic are more 
> likely to do something about it.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Disappearing scrolls with OS 10.8.5

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Hi Jari and Darcy,
Thanks for the input. I know about the iOS-style non-persistent scroll bars in 
windows in general. My problem was/is the absence of arrows, for instance, in 
the key signature tool, where we used to be able to change the number of flats 
or sharps in a signature by clicking on the up- or down-arrow at the right of 
the little box.. I have since discovered, that I can do this by clicking in the 
blank space slightly to the right of the little box (where the arrows used to 
be). But, I mean, what kind of interface is _that_!? The absence of a scroll 
bar in Scroll View is also not exactly intuitive, but one can live with that.
And where the heck _are_ the preference files anyway?
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On 17.10.2013, at 23:57, Darcy James Argue  wrote:

> Yes, and window scroll bars are no longer persistent — they come and go as 
> needed, iOS style. It's not a Finale thing.
> 
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> On Oct 17, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Jari Williamsson 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 2013-10-17 18:14, Eric Fiedler wrote:
>> 
>>> We've just installed Mac OS 10.8.5 on our three-year-old
>>> iMac (core i7) and are beginning to experience some weird
>>> behavior, such as disappearing scroll bars in the speedy
>>> entry and key change windows. My first thought was to trash
>>> the preferences … but couldn't find them. Can anyone tell me where
>>> they've gotten to in FinMac 2012c?
>>> I'd also be grateful for any other relevant suggestions or comments.
>> 
>> Isn't it just the arrows of the scroll bars that are gone? The arrows 
>> have been removed by Apple in recent OSX versions.
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Jari Williamsson
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[Finale] Disappearing scrolls with OS 10.8.5

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Friends,
We've just installed Mac OS 10.8.5 on our three-year-old iMac (core i7) and are 
beginning to experience some weird behavior, such as disappearing scroll bars 
in the speedy entry and key change windows. My first thought was to trash the 
preferences … but couldn't find them. Can anyone tell me where they've gotten 
to in FinMac 2012c?
I'd also be grateful for any other relevant suggestions or comments.
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[Finale] Spreadbury interview

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Friends,
Here's a link to a rather long interview with Daniel Spreadbury, now of 
Steinberg.
http://www.soundnotion.tv/2013/05/soundnotion-118/ 
While I must admit that we have only really used Sibelius to open and convert 
files sent to us by others, this seems to be a very interesting guy and worth 
watching, to see what becomes of "the thing" he's working on now (this is what 
he calls it in the interview).
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[Finale] "Bravura"

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For those in our community who might have missed this, the following link 
points to some interesting developments at Steinberg which have just been made 
public "over here":
http://blog.steinberg.net/2013/05/introducing-bravura-music-font/
And again, I have to ask: "MM, are you listening?"
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Re: [Finale] corrupted half note rest symbol

[Eric Fiedler]

John,
That did it! Thanks so much.
What a great list!
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On 22.05.2013, at 22:47, John Roberts wrote:

> I would try Doc Options>Notes & Rests, reset the half note rest 
> character in the rest character menu about 2/3 down.
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[Finale] corrupted half note rest symbol

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Friends,
I have just opened a 10-year-old file (from 2002, I'm not sure what version of 
Finale that was ...) in FinMac 2012 and everything is ok (after conversion) 
except the half note rests, which all appear as the (bb) symbol. Is there any 
way I can fix this, short of entering all the music again? 
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Re: [Finale] Where's the Redraw Options dialog box??

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Thanks Don. That does speed the work flow up a bit.
But I'd still like to know why the text is disappearing in conjunction with 
Speedy Entry. MM are you listening?
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On 13.05.2013, at 18:57, Don Hart wrote:

> The zero key is the kbd short cut to go in and out of the Speedy Entry Box.
> Does that help you in this situation?



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Re: [Finale] Where's the Redraw Options dialog box??

[Eric Fiedler]

On 13.05.2013, at 12:18, Michael wrote:

> The Redraw Options dialog was removed from Finale in version 2008. There's 
> still a page in the help files called View/Redraw Options which must have got 
> missed when obsolete pages were being removed.

Thanks Michael. I suspected as much.
But again to the Finale community at large, let me try to put my problem 
another way:
Editing baroque music, we add the basso continuo using Ansgar Krause's 
Final-Generalbaß font as a line of Chorus-text under the staff. We would now 
like to add the realization of the figures in the right hand part one staff up, 
using speedy entry and playing the appropriate chords. However, when Speedy 
jumps to the next measure, all the numbers below the bass staff disappear and 
must be made to reappear with Command-d, which of course causes the Speedy 
Entry box to disappear. Frustrating and time consuming.
I suspect a bug, or rather some kind of disconnect,the kind that seems to pop 
up when you try to do something a little off the beaten path. Can anyone 
confirm this behavior: "Chorus" text disappearing during Speedy Entry?
Thanks!
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[Finale] Where's the Redraw Options dialog box??

[Eric Fiedler]

Friends,
FinMac 2012
Can anyone tell me where the _Redraw Options dialog box_ has gotten to, or if 
it even still exists? According to the FM, in this dialog box I should be able 
to change Finale's screen redraw habits. I'm trying to stop the screen 
redrawing each time I add something, which is making the text disappear 
(reappears with Command-d) – and aging me prematurely.
Thanks!
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Re: [Finale] copying to layers

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Thanks, Timothy and David, that did the trick - although it's certainly not as 
intuitive as I remembered it, knowing what to change and when to change it ...
Cheers!
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On 18.03.2013, at 14:35, David H. Bailey wrote:

> Timothy Price hinted at the solution -- you have to be sure to have 
> "Show Active Layer Only" selected.
> 
> That means that you have to switch back and forth between layer 1 
> (presumably where the Oboe 2 part was originally entered on its own 
> staff) and layer 2 (where you want to past the Oboe 2 part onto the same 
> staff with Oboe 1).
> 
> When you do select "Show Active Layer Only" and have selected Layer 2 
> into which to paste the Oboe 2 part, the Oboe 1 part will seem to 
> disappear.  Once you've pasted the Oboe 2 part into layer 2 on the same 
> staff as Oboe 1, then you need to turn off "Show Active Layer Only" so 
> that you can see both layers at the same time.
> 
> At that point you should see both the Oboe 1 and Oboe 2 parts on the 
> same staff with stems up/stems down just as you want.



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Re: [Finale] copying to layers

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On 18.03.2013, at 14:47, Richard Huggins wrote:

> Although there is some evidence that Finale is worth considering as a 
> simulator for Alzheimer's.

Simulator or stimulator? ;-)
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[Finale] copying to layers

[Eric Fiedler]

FinMac 2012c
This is embarrassing, as I used to do this all the time and it used to be easy 
- but I haven't done it for a while.
I have two oboe parts and want to paste them into one staff, ob1 into layer 1 
with stems up, ob2 into layer 2 with stems down. But what I'm pasting keeps 
replacing what's already there, no matter how I fiddle with the layers. Is 
there some new trick in Finale ... or is this a sign of an early stage of 
Alzheimer's? ;-(
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Re: [Finale] OT: current German spelling

[Eric Fiedler]

For the last decade or so Germany has been embroiled in a purported "reform" of 
the orthography of the German Language ("Rechtsschreibreform"). Not a bad idea, 
you might think, considering how fraught with difficulties the written language 
is/was. This movement, which is still very controversial — and which has been 
boycotted by several major national newspapers — has been spearheaded by a 
small group of educators and publishers in Stuttgart, who are not without their 
own financial interests in change. While their aims may once have been 
laudable, they have, in the course of their work, managed, through publication 
of a series of conflicting dictionaries and reference works, managed to make 
the matter so complicated — and in a number of cases plain ridiculous — that 
even those responsible for teaching German in the schools are not always sure 
of the right answer. 
In the case in point, the reform has led to the tendentious phasing out of "das 
Eszett" — muss instead of muß, for example. But the Eszett is still hanging in 
there bravely.
And only "Mäßig/mäßig" is correct today. That some publishers still manage to 
get it wrong is typical of the situation today.
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On 21.09.2012, at 00:18, David H. Bailey wrote:

> I have to take issue with the "never find" -- in a Schott edition, with 
> the copyright bearing the the company name of "B. Schott's Sohne, 
> Mainz", of the Hindemith Trumpet Sonata, in the score it is spelled 
> "Mäßig" but in the solo part it's spelled "Mässig."  I've seen the word 
> most of the time engraved "Mässig."
> 
> So it might be wrong, but if German engravers do it you can't fault the 
> rest of us for doing it too. ;-)


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Re: [Finale] Finale forum down?

[Eric Fiedler]

Christopher,
Your link seems to work for me. Maybe it was something temporary?
Cheers!
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On 02.09.2012, at 20:57, Christopher Smith wrote:

> Is everyone else getting an error message when trying to get to the  
> MakeMusic Finale forum? It's the second day for me. Maybe they're  
> just down for upgrades over the long weekend?
> 
> http://forum.makemusic.com/
> 
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Re: [Finale] Reorder staffs on one system only?

[Eric Fiedler]

Robert, Robert, I get your point, you don't have to repeat yourself. I really 
think we both want the same thing: to understand what is motivating the 
student/caller, to find out what he/she really wants. And I do understand that 
when someone calls tech-support with a problem that has been driving him crazy, 
the last thing he wants to hear is "why do you want to do that". It's really 
just a question of language. Mine is more old-fashioned-confrontational (which 
only really works vis-a-vis), yours is more Internet/caller-friendly. I'm still 
trying to get a handle on the latter.
Cheers!
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On 30.08.2012, at 14:19, Robert Patterson wrote:

> Ah, perhaps in teaching it is a valuable question. In tech support it is
> impertinent.


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Re: [Finale] Reorder staffs on one system only?

[Eric Fiedler]

Hi Robert,
Well, it certainly seems to have made _you_ go ballistic (or am I misreading 
you?) ;-)
But I can't agree with you on this one. In over 40 years of teaching, I've 
found the question "Why would you want to do that" — which, by the way, comes 
across much friendlier face-to-face than in the cold world of cyberspace-text — 
to be invaluable. It forces students (or anybody, for that matter) to justify 
departures from a tried-and-true tradition — just in case they're on a "newness 
at all costs" trip (happens a lot at a certain anti-establishment-age) where 
they risk losing the many benefits of a communal tradition. 
Where we _can_ agree is that when a composer/arranger has a _really good_ 
reason for such departures — Stravinsky liked to experiment with the placement 
of music and text on the page, for instance — then Finale should let us do it.
As probably the first Finale user on this side of the pond (version 1.0; 
anybody remember that wonderful nightmare?), I hadn't realized that individual 
staff reshuffling was possible in earlier versions, and I completely agree with 
you that it was thoughtless (to say the least) to take it away from us.
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On 29.08.2012, at 22:51, Robert Patterson wrote:

> Eric, the worst question to ask someone (if you are providing tech support
> or if you are developing software) is any variant of, "Why would you want
> to do that?" It drives users ballistic.


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Re: [Finale] Reorder staffs on one system only?

[Eric Fiedler]

Are we talking here about a number of movements grouped together in one large 
file? Then I could understand possibly wanting new score-orders for each 
movement — and it wouldn't be too difficult using a lot of disappearing blank 
staves, as I think has already been suggested on this thread. But to turn the 
page and suddenly be confronted with a new score-order would be very confusing 
to most conductors I know. But then, I'm more at home with the old stuff, say 
up to late Stravinsky ...

Darcy: if you just wanted _one page_ with a new score-order in the middle of a 
longer movement, why not just print the pages up to the page in question, then 
use Score Manager to rearrange the score, print just the one page, restore the 
old order and print the rest? (You might have to rearrange the music a little 
to make it fit.)

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On 29.08.2012, at 19:48, Robert Patterson wrote:

> There are any number of reasons why you might want to change the score
> order on different systems. The main one I can think of is if in a
> particular section or movement there is a subgroup that plays a concertino
> part.


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Re: [Finale] Reorder staffs on one system only?

[Eric Fiedler]

Hi Darcy,
Right. I knew that. (I won't even ask WHY the customer wants this. Don't 
score-readers have enough problems? Seems pretty strange to me, but what do I 
know ...) I thought Robert had been complaining about the overall reordering of 
systems. 
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On 29.08.2012, at 18:47, Darcy James Argue wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> 
> Using the Score Manager reorders the staves on EVERY system. As I said, I 
> need to reorder the staves on one system only, leaving the rest of the score 
> unaffected.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - DJA
> -
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> 
> 
> On 29 Aug 2012, at 11:57 AM, Eric Fiedler wrote:
> 
>> Strange ... I just spent 10 minutes using the Score Manager to reorder the 
>> staves (vertically) in a score sent to me by a student (FinMac 2012 non b). 
>> Or have I not understood the problem?
>> Eric
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>> On 29.08.2012, at 14:38, Robert Patterson wrote:
>> 
>>> The more I use the Score Manager, the more outraged I become. The inability
>>> to drag staves to a different order is one I recently discovered.
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Reorder staffs on one system only?

[Eric Fiedler]

Strange ... I just spent 10 minutes using the Score Manager to reorder the 
staves (vertically) in a score sent to me by a student (FinMac 2012 non b). Or 
have I not understood the problem?
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On 29.08.2012, at 14:38, Robert Patterson wrote:

> The more I use the Score Manager, the more outraged I become. The inability
> to drag staves to a different order is one I recently discovered.


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[Finale] [AMS-L] Sibelius UK closing

[Eric Fiedler]

Something to think/worry about. The link is particularly distressing ..
Eric

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> From: Ryan Thompson 
> Subject: [AMS-L] Sibelius UK closing
> Date: 1. August 2012 23:42:14 MESZ
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> *
> 
> Everyone,
> 
> While the going's on of any given corporation are not normally relevant to
> this group's discussion, I thought that this would be an exception.  The
> studio that develops Sibelius just closed its doors, as you can read in the
> articles I have linked below.  Regardless of which major program you prefer
> (I'm a Finale user myself), the competition between Sibelius and Finale has
> motivated many of the major developments in notation software, and it is to
> the community's benefit to have two programs available.
> 
> http://www.artsjournal.com/slippeddisc/2012/08/at-sibelius-software-the-last-staff-turn-out-the-lights.html
> 
> http://www.sibeliususers.org/
> 
> I don't think this will affect us in the short-term, but it might a year
> down the road if Finale 2013 arrives without Sibelius 8 as a competitor.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -Ryan Thompson
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> 
> 
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[Finale] Fwd: [AMS-L] Sibelius UK closing

[Eric Fiedler]

Something to think/worry about …
Eric

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> 
> *
> 
> Everyone,
> 
> While the going's on of any given corporation are not normally relevant to
> this group's discussion, I thought that this would be an exception.  The
> studio that develops Sibelius just closed its doors, as you can read in the
> articles I have linked below.  Regardless of which major program you prefer
> (I'm a Finale user myself), the competition between Sibelius and Finale has
> motivated many of the major developments in notation software, and it is to
> the community's benefit to have two programs available.
> 
> http://www.artsjournal.com/slippeddisc/2012/08/at-sibelius-software-the-last-staff-turn-out-the-lights.html
> 
> http://www.sibeliususers.org/
> 
> I don't think this will affect us in the short-term, but it might a year
> down the road if Finale 2013 arrives without Sibelius 8 as a competitor.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -Ryan Thompson
> thompson.ry...@gmail.com
> University of Minnesota
> 
> The future changes as we stand here, else we are the game pieces of the
> gods, not their heirs, as we have been promised.
>  -Raistlin Majere
> -
> 
> 
> ...until the day comes when God will deign to reveal the future to man, all
> human wisdom is contained in these words:  Wait and hope!
>  -Edmond Dantès, The Count of Monte Cristo
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[Finale] Fwd: [AMS-L] Sibelius UK closing

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Something to think/worry about …
Eric

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> 
> *
> 
> Everyone,
> 
> While the going's on of any given corporation are not normally relevant to
> this group's discussion, I thought that this would be an exception.  The
> studio that develops Sibelius just closed its doors, as you can read in the
> articles I have linked below.  Regardless of which major program you prefer
> (I'm a Finale user myself), the competition between Sibelius and Finale has
> motivated many of the major developments in notation software, and it is to
> the community's benefit to have two programs available.
> 
> http://www.artsjournal.com/slippeddisc/2012/08/at-sibelius-software-the-last-staff-turn-out-the-lights.html
> 
> http://www.sibeliususers.org/
> 
> I don't think this will affect us in the short-term, but it might a year
> down the road if Finale 2013 arrives without Sibelius 8 as a competitor.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -Ryan Thompson
> thompson.ry...@gmail.com
> University of Minnesota
> 
> The future changes as we stand here, else we are the game pieces of the
> gods, not their heirs, as we have been promised.
>   -Raistlin Majere
> -
> 
> 
> ...until the day comes when God will deign to reveal the future to man, all
> human wisdom is contained in these words:  Wait and hope!
>   -Edmond Dantès, The Count of Monte Cristo
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] those damn corrupted finale pref files again...

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FinMac 2012
We have noticed that, since the upgrade to 2012, Finale does definitely seem to 
get bogged down after several hours of use. The time it takes for a field to 
become selectable - in the page format dialog window for instance - has 
increased from nothing to 2-3 seconds, which is a major PITA when your workflow 
requires this to be done every few seconds. A reboot seems to help for a while  
-  until things start to get slower again ...
Eric

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On 17.07.2012, at 15:44, SN jef chippewa  wrote:

> 
> i am trying to sort out the issue i mentioned with support about 
> finale getting bogged down after some use and have been told the 
> CLASSIC: trash your prefs and see if that works.  pf.
> 
> i have not come across this kind of problem with any other software i 
> work with, or if i have, it was so rare and a long time ago that i 
> can't remember.
> 
> has anyone else had at least even sporadic corrupted pref files with 
> other software?  is this just something i got lucky with (i.e not 
> encountering with other programmes) or is finale really like the only 
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Re: [Finale] change Default Page Format for Parts?

[Eric Fiedler]

Aaron and Christopher,
Thanks for your mails.
So your solution is to edit either the master template — which is a good idea 
for the future — or the master document before making parts from it. My problem 
is that I have a gazillion older scores — each with 20-30 movements saved as 
individual files — from which I need to make parts. So what I've been doing up 
to now is: open each file individually and change its Page Format for Parts 
before making parts from it. But this is very-time-and-concentration consuming, 
to say nothing of bring mind-and-carpal-tunnel-numbingly boring and I had hoped 
to be able to edit the default file that comes with (the American Version of) 
Finale. 
Do you or anyone else know if it's possible to "batch edit" a large number of 
files in this sense — without running the risk of making a _really_ big mess?
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[Finale] change Default Page Format for Parts_

[Eric Fiedler]

This should be easy, but I'm not having any luck with the manual.
How do I globally change the default settings in the Page Format for Parts 
window? The "To change the default page layout" instructions in the manual 
apply only to future pages in the _open_ document, not to all future pages in 
future docs. But surely this must be possible? Or do I have to be a programmer 
and go into the innards of the program, as is done to adapt Finale to the 
various international conventions?
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Re: [Finale] Problem with "Extract parts"

[Eric Fiedler]

Thanks Lawrence, David, Christopher and Jari!
The solution was indeed in the Manage Parts Window: Manage Parts>New Part>Add 
Instrument to Part. I guess I'll just have to find the time to RTFM, at least 
the parts about the handling of parts. A lot seems to have changed since FinMac 
1.0.
Again, many thanks. I just hope my fingernails will grow back soon ...
Eric

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On 13.06.2012, at 15:04, Jari Williamsson wrote:

> On 2012-06-13 12:07, Eric Fiedler wrote:
>> Have any of you had the following problem?
>> I've opened an older score (FinMac 2010) in FinMac 2012. Converts fine.
>> I choose "Extract Parts"
>> In the dialog window only 3 of the 8 parts are listed.
>> The "Score Manager" lists them all.
>> "Data Check">"File maintenance" does too.
>> But "Manage Parts" lists only the 3 again.
> 
> Score Manager doesn't list parts, it lists instruments.
> 
>> What am I missing?
> 
> No idea what has happened to you if all the parts show up in Finale 
> 2010. Sounds like a bug somewhere, if that's the case.
> 
> You can build any missing part by "Using Document/Manage Parts...", 
> select "New Part" and move the instruments to the part with "< Add to Part".
> 
> 
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> 
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[Finale] Problem with "Extract parts"

[Eric Fiedler]

Have any of you had the following problem?
I've opened an older score (FinMac 2010) in FinMac 2012. Converts fine.
I choose "Extract Parts"
In the dialog window only 3 of the 8 parts are listed.
The "Score Manager" lists them all.
"Data Check">"File maintenance" does too.
But "Manage Parts" lists only the 3 again.
What am I missing?
As I've got hundreds of scores to extract, copying the music into a fresh 
FinMac 2012 docs isn't really an option.
What to do?
Any help would be a real lifesaver!
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Re: [Finale] OT combining PDFs into one file, Mac OSX

[Eric Fiedler]

"Combine PDFs 5.2" from www.monkeybreadsoftware.de
Cheers!
Eric

Sent from my iSomething ... I hope

On 01.05.2012, at 15:04, Christopher Smith  
wrote:

> Hi combined MacOSX wisdom,
> 
> I have a whole bunch of single-page files that I want to combine into one 
> PDF. I had heard this was possible in Preview on Mac, and sure enough I can 
> copy pages from one PDF to another document, but then I can't save the 
> result! 
> 
> If I "save as" then it only saves the single page I was showing at the time, 
> and if I try to "print" and then save a PDF, it only prints the page I was 
> showing at the time. I could have sworn this was possible, but I can't get it 
> to work.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
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Re: [Finale] preferences FinMac 2011 to 2012?

[Eric Fiedler]

Thanks Christopher, I hadn't noticed that. 
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On 08.10.2011, at 19:15, Christopher Smith wrote:

> For a few versions now, the preferences file is identified as being  
> 2011 ONLY, or 2012 ONLY, so no worries there.
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
> On 8-Oct-11, at 8-Oct-11  12:16 PM, Eric Fiedler wrote:
> 
>> Dear collected wisdom,
>> Should I be worried about Finale 2012 overwriting my pref files for  
>> 2011? If so, where can I move these to, in order to be able to use  
>> them with 2011? In older versions one could store a copy of the  
>> file in the Finale folder in the App folder, but from 2011 on  
>> everything except the App has been moved to Library>AppSupp, so ...  
>> what to do?
>> Any tips would be much appreciated.
>> Eric
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[Finale] preferences FinMac 2011 to 2012?

[Eric Fiedler]

Dear collected wisdom,
Should I be worried about Finale 2012 overwriting my pref files for 2011? If 
so, where can I move these to, in order to be able to use them with 2011? In 
older versions one could store a copy of the file in the Finale folder in the 
App folder, but from 2011 on everything except the App has been moved to 
Library>AppSupp, so ... what to do?
Any tips would be much appreciated.
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Re: [Finale] Commas after word extensions?

[Eric Fiedler]

As a matter of fact, the comma _after_ the word extension is not only more 
logical, as Daniel has pointed out, but also standard practice in Bärenreiter's 
Telemann Edition (which is what I happen to have open at the moment) and 
(probably) also the NBA (the publications, not the teams!). So it would be 
_really_ nice to have this option. MM, are you listening?
By the way, as Dennis 1 has pointed out, we can achieve this through the use of 
hard spaces. The simplest solution is to space normally, then put a comma on 
the first note after the melisma, followed by two hard spaces and the new 
syllable.
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On 07.08.2011, at 17:11, Mark D Lew wrote:

> On Aug 4, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Daniel Wolf wrote:
> 
>> Common practice or not (and I have found enough counter examples in my  
>> library to call the "common practice" into question), it makes some  
>> syntactic sense that the comma (or semi-comma) does not occur within a  
>> word, and as the extension is a lengthening of the word, placing the comma  
>> between the word and its extension is misleading.  Moreover, having the  
>> comma after the extension _could_ be useful to an interpreter, for example  
>> as a suggestion for breathing. Thank you, Dennis, for your elegant  
>> solution and examples.
> 
> I agree with Daniel on this, and I was a little surprised to see so many 
> people say or imply this is unorthodox.  I've seen plenty of old sources that 
> put the comma after the word extension, and I prefer it. I also had a regular 
> client who asked for it that way, and I had to tell her it couldn't be easily 
> done. I think this is another case where limitations of the software have 
> forced a standard, and it's been long enough now that people think it's weird 
> to see it any other way.
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[Finale] compatability with 10.7 in general

[Eric Fiedler]

I've found the following web page to be quite helpful in finding out what's 
compatible with Lion and what's not (including versions of Finale).
www.roaringapps.com
Cheers!
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Re: [Finale] beaming "issue"

[Eric Fiedler]

Aaron,
Thanks for the tip. I'd forgotten about this default. I do know that beaming 4 
eights together in common time is, in general, standard practice, but there are 
cases where it leads to ugly results — where large intervals are involved, for 
instance — and I was annoyed that I couldn't override this behavior with the 
"rebeam" command and had to resort to beam-breaking by hand.
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On 14.07.2011, at 12:47, Aaron Sherber wrote:

> On 7/14/2011 6:21 AM, Eric Fiedler wrote:
>> Enter a measure of eight-notes in 4/4 with Speedy/Midi.
>> They are beamed together in groups of _four_. :-(
> 
> This is longtime and intentional behavior, but you can turn it off if 
> you don't like it. Take a look in Document Options under Beaming, Beam 
> four eighth notes together in common time.
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[Finale] beaming "issue"

[Eric Fiedler]

M ...
Can anyone on the list confirm this beaming "issue"? (FinMac 2011, OS 10.6.8)

Enter a measure of eight-notes in 4/4 with Speedy/Midi.
They are beamed together in groups of _four_. :-(
"Rebeaming" to the time signature 4/4 doesn't work, although rebeaming to 8/8 
and 1/1 does.

This has just started happening with OS 10.6.8 ... I think.
Any fellow-sufferers out there?
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Re: [Finale] page layout-systems-edit margins window gone

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Bonnie,
I'm not sure what's happened to your main tool palette, but the preference file 
in now (FinMac 2011) in:
HD >users > (name) > Library > Preferences
The rest of the files are in
HD > Library > Application Support > Make Music > Finale 2011
Hope this helps.
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On 23.06.2011, at 19:42, Bonnie Janofsky wrote:

> I have the main tool palette but no matter which monitor I hook up, the edit 
> system margins in the page layout tool is nowhere to be found.
> 
> Also, for some reason, the preferences folder will not open and I have been 
> unable to trash the preferences.  Finale tech support said they attached a 
> file 
> with an example of another way to get into the preferences but that file is 
> not 
> attached so awaiting their reply again.
> 
> The preferences file used to be in a folder with the Finale program and all 
> accompanying files.  With 2011, the application is in the applications folder 
> but the other files are stored separately and do not appear in any searches.
> 
> It is very strange and still no solutions in sight!
> Thanks, Bonnie
> 
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Re: [Finale] whole note in middle of measure

[Eric Fiedler]

Not that I know of. You _could_ turn off "jump to next measure" in Speedy and 
then add an invisible half-note rest before each whole note. Of course then 
playback wouldn't work too well ...
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On 25.04.2011, at 18:17, Ryan wrote:

> In a lot of old engravings, the whole note is placed in the middle of the
> measure (when there is just a single staff in a system). Is there an *easy*
> way to get Finale to do this automatically?
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Re: [Finale] Arrgghh! Default file location problems.

[Eric Fiedler]

I hear you. But I'm not sure that it's such a good idea to try to use files 
created with older versions of Finale in newer versions. I got into trouble 
doing this a few versions back, and since then have made a point of taking an 
hour to edit the fresh new default file in each new version. Since then no more 
problems.
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On 08.03.2011, at 14:55, Nigel Hanley wrote:

> I don't want to edit a default file, I want to replace it with my default 
> file. Otherwise I've got to start again every time there is a new Finale.
> 
> 
> 
> On 08/03/2011, at 10:44 PM, Eric Fiedler wrote:
> 
>> Have you tried editing:
>> /users//Library/AppSupport/MakeMusic/Fin 2011/Music Files/Default 
>> Files/ Maestro Default
>> ? Works for me.
>> Eric
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>> 
>> 
>> On 08.03.2011, at 11:34, Nigel Hanley wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm having the same problem in both locations. Unlike all previous 
>>> versions, 2011 won't recognise my edited default document.
>>> 
>>> - Nigel Hanley
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 08/03/2011, at 7:26 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2011/03/07, at 14:20, Andrew Levin wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> /Library/Application Support/MakeMusic/Finale 2011/Music 
>>>>> Files/Default
>>>>> Files
>>>> 
>>>> I believe it is supposed to be
>>>> ~/Libraries/Application\ Support/MakeMusic/Finale\ 2011/Libraries/
>>>> 
>>>> The one under Music Files dir is a backup copy.
>>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Arrgghh! Default file location problems.

[Eric Fiedler]

Have you tried editing:
/users//Library/AppSupport/MakeMusic/Fin 2011/Music Files/Default 
Files/ Maestro Default
? Works for me.
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On 08.03.2011, at 11:34, Nigel Hanley wrote:

> I'm having the same problem in both locations. Unlike all previous versions, 
> 2011 won't recognise my edited default document.
> 
> - Nigel Hanley
> 
> 
> 
> On 08/03/2011, at 7:26 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 2011/03/07, at 14:20, Andrew Levin wrote:
>> 
>>> /Library/Application Support/MakeMusic/Finale 2011/Music Files/Default
>>> Files
>> 
>> I believe it is supposed to be
>> ~/Libraries/Application\ Support/MakeMusic/Finale\ 2011/Libraries/
>> 
>> The one under Music Files dir is a backup copy.
>> 
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>> 
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Re: [Finale] Playing from (old) parts. (formerly:"whole" notes in 5/4)

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On 15.01.2011, at 21:52, David W. Fenton wrote:

> On 15 Jan 2011 at 14:41, Eric Fiedler wrote:
> 
>> It's not that difficult. Try giving your viol ensemble facsimiles of
>> the original parts (without barlines of course) and then " while
>> playing " each player marks and/or _remembers_ the main cadences,
>> which are then used as rehearsal marks. 
> 
> This would eat up a HUGE amount of rehearsal time.

Not really. It goes pretty fast once you get used to the idea. _And_ it's an 
excellent way to get to know the piece (see below.) and to break it up into 
manageable sections. And it's good training for the group.
> 
> Secondly, the singers would have to spend a huge amount of time 
> deciphering the Fraktur and figuring out which notes the syllables 
> actually belonged under.
This is true to a point, and in general I _would_ therefore recommend 
transcriptions for todays singers, who also usually have a more difficult time 
with the old clefs. On the other hand — and looking at the problem from a 
historical point of view — if you're dealing with one-to-a-part ensembles,  the 
exact text underlay isn't that critical, and probably wasn't then either. But 
you're right, it does mean more work for the singers.

> I think it would be fine for small pieces, but for a 25-minute work, 
> as in the present instance, it just wouldn't work, in my opinion.
But it _did_ work  back then, you know. It had to. What this says about the 
level of performance then is, of course, another story for another day.
> 
> And, of course, defining where the cadences are and putting in 
> rehearsal marks there doesn't solve the problem of how to start at 
> points between the cadences, in order to work out problems that occur 
> there.
Sure it does. You just need to start at the cadence before the section to be 
worked on. 
>> You can be pretty sure that
>> this is the way they did it back in the good old days " and (very)
>> occasionally one finds such markings in the parts. 
> 
> Well, the Fraktur problem is likely not one the people at the time 
> would have had an issue with, and I'm sure there are lots of other 
> things that would have made it substantially easier for them, such as 
> an innate sense of the musical style that came from living in an age 
> in which you mostly made music in only a couple of well-defined 
> musical styles with well-known and familiar conventions. They 
> wouldn't need to be told where cadences where
> 
>> That there are not
>> more of these is surely due to the fact that (1) musicians seem to
>> have seldom carried pencils or other writing instruments with them,
>> and (b) they had better memories than we do, living in an only
>> partially alphabetized world. I have been using this trick for years
>> with my ensembles " even with children " and it works perfectly. We've
>> taken to calling such markings "now places" ("Jetzt-Stellen"), as
>> someone, usually the leader, has to shout "now!".
> 
> I'm sure it's a helpful thing in some respects, as I know that my 
> group plays differently when playing from parts than when playing 
> from score (it takes me longer to learn the piece when working from a 
> part, but I more quickly understand how my part fits into the texture 
> because I have to LISTEN to get it instead of LOOK).

Exactly! That's the whole point. By the second or third run-through you have an 
_acoustical_ score in your head instead of just dots in front of your eyes.

> It's usually faster to work from score, but I feel like I play better 
> ensemble-
> wise when playing from parts.

ditto

This feeling doesn't seem to extend to all the members of our group, 
> 
> unfortunately! I've been shocked to note people who get lost and 
> can't find their place when reading from SCORE (and it has included 
> players whose principle instrument is keyboard, so it's not something 
> about being hardwired to not read from multiple staves), so I'm not 
> surprised at anything.
> 
> No, the score and parts need to be as clear and unambiguous as 
> possible so that rehearsal time is taken up with getting the notes 
> off the page, not figuring out how the notes on the page relate to 
> each other. I'm sure that if we played from original notation all the 
> time, we'd develop lots of useful skills and it would be much easier,
True, very true.
>  
> but I don't see any point in time at which we could take of a year or 
> so of no performances and make the transition.
Well, if your concert calendar is that full, you may have a point (although: 
the old New York Pro Musica under Noah Greenburg,

Re: [Finale] "whole" notes in 5/4

[Eric Fiedler]

John,
They couldn't. ;-) Somewhere in my readings I came across the remark by a 
theoretician of Philippe de Vitry's generation to the effect that "the 
ancients" (by which he means the Notre Dame and "Petronian" composers) "used to 
spend hours arguing about whether a note should be sung long or short"(!) In 
other words: although having the advantage of knowing the style of the music, 
they were not seldom just as stumped as we are today by the broken patterns of 
modal notation.
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On 15.01.2011, at 03:08, John Howell wrote:

> What *I* marvel at is that anyone could sightread the previous rhythmic modes 
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Re: [Finale] "whole" notes in 5/4

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It's not that difficult. Try giving your viol ensemble facsimiles of the 
original parts (without barlines of course) and then — while playing — each 
player marks and/or _remembers_ the main cadences, which are then used as 
rehearsal marks. You can be pretty sure that this is the way they did it back 
in the good old days — and (very) occasionally one finds such markings in the 
parts. That there are not more of these is surely due to the fact that (1) 
musicians seem to have seldom carried pencils or other writing instruments with 
them, and (b) they had better memories than we do, living in an only partially 
alphabetized world. 
I have been using this trick for years with my ensembles — even with children — 
and it works perfectly. We've taken to calling such markings "now places" 
("Jetzt-Stellen"), as someone, usually the leader, has to shout "now!".
Cheers!
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On 15.01.2011, at 02:52, David W. Fenton wrote:

> As I said, I 
> don't know how you rehearse without measure numbers...


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Re: [Finale] bars too full

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Speedy Options > deselect "Fill with rests ..."


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On 10.01.2011, at 15:45, Steve Parker wrote:

> I would also like to turn off the automatic 'fill with rests'.
> 
> I'm sure that I could do this in the Finale of years ago.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
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[Finale] pickup bug?(II)

[Eric Fiedler]

Hmmm...
Can anyone on the list reproduce this, or is it just me? 
*FinMac 2011*. Speedy entry. Eighth note pickup measure has the dotted rhythm: 
dotted 16th-32nd.
When I dot the 16th, the cursor jumps to the next measure!
Not a _major_ problem, as I _can_ put the cursor back in the pickup measure and 
complete it correctly, but with a lot of such pickup measure it gets tedious. 
(Small) bug?
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[Finale] pickup bug?

[Eric Fiedler]

Hmmm...
Can anyone on the list reproduce this, or is it just me?
Speedy entry. Eighth note pickup measure has the dotted rhythm: dotted 
16th-32nd.
When I dot the 16th, the cursor jumps to the next measure!
Not a _major_ problem, as I _can_ put the cursor back in the pickup measure and 
complete it correctly, but with a lot of such pickup measure it gets tedious. 
(Small) bug?
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Re: [Finale] I always have Finale trash

[Eric Fiedler]

Mac 10.6.5
I've been noticing this, too, for the last several versions of FinMac. It would 
appear to be some obscure form of housekeeping Finale does (but how??) before 
computer shut-down, even when the program is *not* running before shutting 
down. It seems harmless enough, but it would be nice to know what's going on. 
Is this a Mac-only problem? Maybe one of our (usually) silent friends from MM 
on the list can shed some light on this?
Eric

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On 18.11.2010, at 21:50, Randolph Peters wrote:

> Does anyone know why there are always these two folders in my trash every 
> time I restart?:
> 
> (I'm on Mac 10.6.x and I empty the trash.)
> 
> /.Trash/Recovered files/FinaleMDImporter Temp Files/
> /.Trash/Recovered files/FinaleQLGenerator Temp Files/
> 
> Sometimes the folders have other files, but they are always 0 kb in size.
> 
> This has been going on for a few years, I think, through a number of Finale 
> versions. It isn't a big problem, but I thought maybe someone might know how 
> to get rid of them permanently.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Re: Where's the Default Document?

[Eric Fiedler]

David,
As Justin has just kindly pointed out, this is a _new_ development in Finale's 
file structure, something quite different from the previous versions, and it 
would have been a _great_ help to those of us who don't always have time to 
RTFM from cover to cover each time a new version comes out to know about it. 
Just a quick link in the "What's New" Intro to the relevant on-line 
documentation (Thanks Justin!) would have done the trick. And by the way, I 
_do_ know how my OS works, and I obviously _didn't_ know how Finale had changed 
to adapt to it. ;-)
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On 04.10.2010, at 17:28, David W. Fenton wrote:

> On 4 Oct 2010 at 12:39, Eric Fiedler wrote:
> 
>> although David F. has
>> made a plausible case for the Finale File to be both in the general
>> _and_ in the user "App Support" folder, it seems to me to be the kind
>> of information that FinMac users should be told about, just in case
>> they're brave enough to try to change something (again: no mention
>> that I can find in the Help Files).
> 
> It's not a Finale issue. It's an OS issue. If you know how your OS 
> works, this would be something you know. If you don't know that, it's 
> something you shouldn't even be worrying about.
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Re: [Finale] Re: Where's the Default Document?

[Eric Fiedler]

Thanks to all who helped me out with this one. But: although David F. has made 
a plausible case for the Finale File to be both in the general _and_ in the 
user "App Support" folder, it seems to me to be the kind of information that 
FinMac users should be told about, just in case they're brave enough to try to 
change something (again: no mention that I can find in the Help Files). And: 
didn't it used to be asking for trouble to have multiple copies of fonts on the 
same partition?
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Re: [Finale] Where's the Default Document?

[Eric Fiedler]

And I thought I had found _all_ the files in the _general_ "App Support"...
Thanks Eric!
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On 03.10.2010, at 19:49, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

> Mac HD/Users/YourUserName/Library/Application Support/MakeMusic/Finale 
> 2011/Music FIles/Default Files/
> 
> Why they decided to do this is beyond me..
> 
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 4:39 AM, Eric Fiedler wrote:
> 
>> Dear collective wisdom,
>> FinMac 2011.
>> Up to now we have always thrown together new templates for each new version 
>> of Finale and then used these for new projects. But occasionally it would be 
>> nice to just be able to use the "default document" (in the opening window) 
>> for simple chores. But where is it? And no, it's not in:
>> Mac HD>Library>App Support>MakeMusic>Finale 2011> Music Files> Default Files
>> where all the files got put on our new machines, and where you might expect 
>> to find it. As a matter of fact, it doesn't seem to be _anywhere_ in the 
>> Finale Folder. And the FM doesn't even have an entry for "default document" 
>> ...
>> Any idea where the pesky programmers at MM might have stashed it?
>> Eric
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[Finale] Where's the Default Document?

[Eric Fiedler]

Dear collective wisdom,
FinMac 2011.
Up to now we have always thrown together new templates for each new version of 
Finale and then used these for new projects. But occasionally it would be nice 
to just be able to use the "default document" (in the opening window) for 
simple chores. But where is it? And no, it's not in:
Mac HD>Library>App Support>MakeMusic>Finale 2011> Music Files> Default Files
where all the files got put on our new machines, and where you might expect to 
find it. As a matter of fact, it doesn't seem to be _anywhere_ in the Finale 
Folder. And the FM doesn't even have an entry for "default document" ...
Any idea where the pesky programmers at MM might have stashed it?
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Re: [Finale] Midmeasure, but only for so long a measure

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Daniel,
FinMac 2011. I just tried your experiment with a 12/1 measure and, yes, you're 
quite right, it is a bug. While I can understand how something like this could 
slip by the beta-testers, it could potentially be annoying to those of us 
engraving, say, Gregorian Chant without bar lines. I would write a short note 
to Make Music' "Complaints Department" ... but we should not hold our 
collective breaths on this one; it will quite likely be pretty low on Make 
Musics To-Do list!
MfG,
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On 30.09.2010, at 20:45, Daniel Wolf wrote:

> A very small issue:
> 
> Finale 2011, on a Windows machine.   The midmeasure clef function works very 
> well, but only if the measure is 8 whole notes long or shorter;  if any tone 
> is selected to receive a midmeasure clef beyond the 8-whole-note-point in a 
> measure with more than 8 whole notes, then the new clef snaps back to the 
> beginning of the measure. Admittedly, this is not ever going to be an issue 
> for most users, but for someone working in early or contemporary music who 
> uses such large metres (if only as an invisible backdrop a non-metric or 
> polymetric section) this could affect the layout planning.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Doubling part label

[Eric Fiedler]

 At the moment I'm editing a cantata by Telemann written for a funeral in 1722 
which calls for one "oboa d'amore", which sent me running to Johann Gottfried 
Walther, who writes (Musicalisches Lexikon, 1732) that the oboe d'amore 
"appeared around 1720". He continues "it resembles the oboe in almost every 
detail, except for the foot joint, which is closed, with a small finger-sized 
opening. The range is from "a" to "a2"...". So (for once) Wikipedia would seem 
to be about right. (Probably) also with regard to "engellisches Horn" and the 
etymology of "english horn".
Eric

On 07.07.2010, at 05:36, John Howell wrote:

> But when the characteristic bell-shape that gives the E.H. (and the modern 
> oboe d'amore) its characteristic sound first turned up, I don't know.  It was 
> certainly not used in Bach's time, when the alto oboe in F was called 
> "Taille" or "oboe da caccia" (and there, probably is the association with the 
> hunting horn, or corno da caccia), and had, in at least one museum 
> instrument, a brass-instrument-like flaring bell.


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Re: [Finale] Finale and iPad

[Eric Fiedler]

C'mon guys, let's cut MM a little slack, OK ;-)  As of the current version of 
IPad _no_ major software (apart from the Apple Works Suite, and of course the 
Apps from the App Store) runs on the iPad. Of course, things may change, and 
probably sooner than later; it _would_ be nice to run more big apps on the 
thing. But more to the point: would you really _want_ Finale to run on it? 
Without a number pad? Without Core Midi? With such a tine screen? Just asking 
...
Cheers!
Eric
On 26.06.2010, at 12:22, Graeme Gerrard wrote:

> Oh dear!
> Those Makemusic people are sure "up with the latest" aren't they?
> 
> On 26/06/2010, at 6:45 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
> 
>> Umno
>> 
>> 
>> --- send out and aboot on my iPhone ---
>> 
>> On Jun 25, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Martin Banner  wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anyone know if it's possible to load a version of Finale onto an iPad 
>>> and run Finale from there?
>>> 
>>> Martin
>>> 


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Re: [Finale] OT: French dictionary with syllables

[Eric Fiedler]

Ryan,
If you have an iPhone, there are a lot of good (and cheap) french dictionary 
apps. I use one of them all the time and it's pretty complete.
Eric
On 17.06.2010, at 20:51, Ryan wrote:

> I'm looking for a good online French dictionary with syllabification.
> Setting some nursery rhymes and kid's songs and I want to make sure the
> lyrics are correct.
> Hoping the collective wisdom of the list may know of something!
> Thanks!
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Re: [Finale] iMac i7 issues?

[Eric Fiedler]

Hi Chuck and Eric D.,
Thanks for the input.
Chuck: it's good to hear that your core i5 is doing the job for you.  
We've been looking at i5s too, and will probably go that route, as  
they are easier to get over here and are a little less expensive than  
the i7s.
Eric D.: My concerns were based less on the new iMacs in general,  
which are quite probably as "insanely great" as (almost) everything  
from Apple. My worry was about the (usually) unforeseeable "gotchas"  
that my Mac experience tells me sometimes appear when a new  
generation of processors meets up with a new (or old) app. Have the  
good people at MM tested their products on the new machines? Who  
knows. But there's always someone in the blogosphere who's sure to  
know, so thanks for the "all clear" ... and for the tip about the RAM.

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Hello all,
Is there anyone out there with one of the new Core i7 iMacs who  
has been having any serious "issues" with Finale 2010? We are  
seriously thinking about biting the bullet and retiring our  
ancient trio of 10-year-old (!) G5 towers and replacing them with  
something from the 21st century, and the latest iMacs have been  
getting a pretty good press ... and are a lot cheaper than the Mac  
Pros.

Any words of wisdom from the FinMac community would be most welcome.
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[Finale] iMac i7 issues?

[Eric Fiedler]

Hello all,
Is there anyone out there with one of the new Core i7 iMacs who has  
been having any serious "issues" with Finale 2010? We are seriously  
thinking about biting the bullet and retiring our ancient trio of 10- 
year-old (!) G5 towers and replacing them with something from the  
21st century, and the latest iMacs have been getting a pretty good  
press ... and are a lot cheaper than the Mac Pros.

Any words of wisdom from the FinMac community would be most welcome.
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Re: [Finale] Sibelius to Finale?

[Eric Fiedler]

Bonnie,
You need the Dolet for Sibelius from Recordare (www.recordare.com).  
You put it in the Sibelius plugin folder and can then create MusicXML  
files which are readable in Finale.

Hope this helps!
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On 30.04.2010, at 20:48, Bonnie Janofsky wrote:

I do not see any way to move a Sibelius file into Finale via XML.   
There is no option to export or save as an XML.


I have Sibelius 6 but haven't worked in it and someone gave me some  
files created in Sibelius 3.  The file opens in Sibelius but no way  
to export in a format that Finale can read. The Sibelius user wanted  
to import into Finale without losing lyrics.  It would involve  
editing if MIDI files are used.  I could scan and import through  
Smart Score X Pro but again, some editing is certainly involved.


I looked through the Sibelius manual but there does not appear to be  
a way to do this.  I am using Mac Finale 2010b.

Thanks, Bonnie

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Re: [Finale] Text expressions : 'poco' italic or not?

[Eric Fiedler]

Of course I meant to write "italic" (=german "kursiv"). The problem  
is, see, sometimes when you're writing/thinking fast, the part of the  
brain responsible for keeping languages separate from each other  
tends to short out, and you get "mixtures" like this without you even  
being aware of them ... until they're caught by your friends in  
cyberspace! ;-)

Cheers!
Eric
On 11.03.2010, at 12:23, dhbailey wrote:


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Re: [Finale] Text expressions : 'poco' italic or not?

[Eric Fiedler]

The general rule, set forth for example in the chapter on the NBA in  
Bärenreiter's "Editionsrichtlinien" (latest edition: Bärenreiter  
2000),  is that _all_ additions by the editor should be clearly  
designated as such. This means _cursive_ for added text, dotted slurs  
[in my humble opinion too fussy!) and so on. They go on to write that  
"all text taken over from the source, including dynamic signs like f  
and p etc.[and your poco forte] should be in normal, non-cursive  
print." (p.63f.) Of course, if you want to put such markings in  
cursive, as Finale and Sibelius seem to want to do, that you can put  
your additions in [brackets], which is not particularly beautiful but  
has the advantage of being intuitively clear to the user.

Cheers!
Eric

On 11.03.2010, at 01:46, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:


Good day:

Hi all:

I am working on some 18th century manuscripts, many times I will see
"poco F" or "poco piano" or "poco forte." The default text setting in
some music engraving applications is for italic (e.g. Sibelius); but
aren't italics traditionally seen as editorial additions, wouldn't
having "poco" in italics be wrong if the wording is actually present
in the manuscript source(s)?

Thank you kindly,

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Re: [Finale] Layout misbehavior

[Eric Fiedler]

Ah, but it did, and I haven't the slightest idea why. But selecting  
all the systems with the Page Layout Tool and selecting "delete page  
breaks" from the menu solved the problem, both in the exported/ 
imported file and in the original version. Probably a case of  
"hitting the wrong key at the wrong time", I suspect.

Thanks for your input.
Eric
On 03.03.2010, at 21:16, SN jef chippewa wrote:



thta is strange, sounds like a case of update layout not being  
performed, the page break should NOT cause this.


Yes, there too (I just learned), but also (inside a small page  
icon with a bent-over corner) in the page Layout menu signifying a  
page break, which _was_ the problem.


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Re: [Finale] Layout misbehavior

[Eric Fiedler]

Indeed, this was one of the first things I tried, with no effect.
No, the problem was really with the "page break" command. As soon as  
I went to page layout, selected all the systems and chose "delete  
page breaks" from the menu, the problem went away. How this came to  
be in the first place I will probably never know.

Thanks for your input.
Eric
On 03.03.2010, at 20:51,  wrote:

Ah, but did you Update Layout while you were on the FIRST page?  
Finale only updates layout from the page you are on until the end.  
In some cases if the scroll bar is only nudged a bit right, then  
update is only from page 2, so hit Home.


Christopher


- Original Message -
From: Eric Fiedler 
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010 12:57
Subject: [Finale] Layout misbehavior
To: finale@shsu.edu


Ok, I haven't run across this one before:
I have a long piece with 8 staves per system and, until today,
two
systems fit well on one page. Now, suddenly, the systems are
arranged
in Page View as follows:
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | etc.
2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
that is, each system appears _twice, once at the bottom, once at
the
top of the next page. In "Scroll View" everything is fine, by
the
way, with no duplications of any kind.
"Update Layout" does nothing (my first thought) and neither
does
"Data Check". In my desperation I finally exported the file via
Music
XML and imported it again. The result was a document with a
_single_
system per page
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |
and a strange symbol in the upper left corner which looks like
the
old carriage return sign: |_>  In the new file I can't get
two
systems onto one page, although there's enough room. It would
seem
that this is being prevented by the "carriage return" symbol.
Can anybody help me with this?
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Re: [Finale] Layout misbehavior

[Eric Fiedler]

Yes, there too (I just learned), but also (inside a small page icon  
with a bent-over corner) in the page Layout menu signifying a page  
break, which _was_ the problem.

Thanks for your input.
Eric
On 03.03.2010, at 19:16, Doug Walter wrote:

Not sure about the duplicate systems (I would have thought Update  
Layout was the solution), but I believe the "carriage return"  
symbol appears when, in the Measure Attributes dialog for one  
particular measure, the box "Begin a New Staff System" is checked.


Doug

On Mar 3, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Richard Yates wrote:

I think I've seen this but don't quite remember what was going on.  
Is there

a page break inserted in the layout in the middle of the system?


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Subject: [Finale] Layout misbehavior

Ok, I haven't run across this one before:
I have a long piece with 8 staves per system and, until
today, two systems fit well on one page. Now, suddenly, the
systems are arranged in Page View as follows:
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | etc.
2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
that is, each system appears _twice, once at the bottom, once
at the top of the next page. In "Scroll View" everything is
fine, by the way, with no duplications of any kind.
"Update Layout" does nothing (my first thought) and neither
does "Data Check". In my desperation I finally exported the
file via Music XML and imported it again. The result was a
document with a _single_ system per page
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |
and a strange symbol in the upper left corner which looks
like the old carriage return sign: |_>  In the new file I
can't get two systems onto one page, although there's enough
room. It would seem that this is being prevented by the
"carriage return" symbol.
Can anybody help me with this?
Eric


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Re: [Finale] Layout misbehavior

[Eric Fiedler]

On 03.03.2010, at 19:49, Eric Fiedler wrote:



On 03.03.2010, at 19:07, Richard Yates wrote:


Is there
a page break inserted in the layout in the middle of the system?



The symbol on the reimported MusicWML file certainly suggests this.  
But how _does_ one make a page break between systems (I've just  
looked in vain in the on-line help)... and how can I get rid of it?

Eric


Found it! (in the Page Layout-Menu, naturally) And there was indeed a  
page break between the systems, which I have now dissolved. But how  
did it get there in the first place???

Thanks for the tip!
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Re: [Finale] Layout misbehavior

[Eric Fiedler]

On 03.03.2010, at 19:07, Richard Yates wrote:


Is there
a page break inserted in the layout in the middle of the system?



The symbol on the reimported MusicWML file certainly suggests this.  
But how _does_ one make a page break between systems (I've just  
looked in vain in the on-line help)... and how can I get rid of it?

Eric


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[Finale] Layout misbehavior

[Eric Fiedler]

Ok, I haven't run across this one before:
I have a long piece with 8 staves per system and, until today, two  
systems fit well on one page. Now, suddenly, the systems are arranged  
in Page View as follows:

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | etc.
2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
that is, each system appears _twice, once at the bottom, once at the  
top of the next page. In "Scroll View" everything is fine, by the  
way, with no duplications of any kind.
"Update Layout" does nothing (my first thought) and neither does  
"Data Check". In my desperation I finally exported the file via Music  
XML and imported it again. The result was a document with a _single_  
system per page

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |
and a strange symbol in the upper left corner which looks like the  
old carriage return sign: |_>  In the new file I can't get two  
systems onto one page, although there's enough room. It would seem  
that this is being prevented by the "carriage return" symbol.

Can anybody help me with this?
Eric


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Re: [Finale] Finale spacing issue: F2009, OS X

[Eric Fiedler]

I hear what you're saying...and sometimes a local solution is the  
best and only way to go in a pinch. But on the other hand, there's  
something about a score with a number of different spacing algorithms  
that doesn't look quite right to me. As I understand it, the old  
engravers of yesteryear used one set of spacings for a whole piece or  
movement, which _did_ require a lot of calculations before hammering  
in the first note punch, but which produced results which are easy to  
read and in addition exude a wonderful kind of harmonious "rightness"  
that has a lot to do with the overall graphical balance between black  
and white on the page. Or am I being too fussy here? I'd be  
interested in your take on the subject — or anybody's take, for that  
matter.

Eric

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On 24.01.2010, at 14:55, Jari Williamsson wrote:


Eric Fiedler wrote:


(c) changing the Note Spacing values globally


Why not locally?



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Re: [Finale] Finale spacing issue: F2009, OS X

[Eric Fiedler]

Happens all the time with us (FinMac 2010).
We generally solve the problem either by
(a) using the Special tools note mover (a royal PITA), or
(b) making the measure (or _all_ measures) a little wider using the  
Measure Tool or Spacing Tool, or

(c) changing the Note Spacing values globally
It appears to be an "issue" with the spacing algorithms where there  
are accidentals before notes.

If you want to start a petition to MM, you've got my signature!
Eric

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On 24.01.2010, at 03:51, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote:


In the linked image:

http://imgur.com/Aux4V.png

you will notice the bad spacing between notes 2 and 3.  Apart from  
manually adjusting the third or second notes using the appropriate  
Special Tool, the normal Music Spacing options have no effect.


Has anyone else run into this?

"Avoid collision of notes and accidentals" is checked in the Music  
Spacing options.


The spacing is being applied to this particular part only, i.e.  
there are no other staves affecting the spacing.  The other bars in  
the part have no problems with spacing, even the same figure in  
later bars have no clashes, so it's not that the spacing is  
generally squishy.


Matthew
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Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update - System crash

[Eric Fiedler]

After installing the FinMac 2010a patch our machines suddenly stopped  
working (freezing, not being able to open older files and so on) and  
we had to wipe the patched version  (I can recommend AppDelete and  
AppZapper for such grisly tasks!) and reinstall the unpatched  
version, which had been working fine.
I would _strongly_ advise all Finale users, particularly those Mac  
users on older machines (it happened on our G5 PPCs running OS  
10.4.11) not to install this patch until this matter has been cleared  
up. As it would seem to not be affecting the whole Finale community,  
it might be an OS and/or processor conflict...

Eric

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On 11.11.2009, at 10:19, dhbailey wrote:


What response have you gotten from MakeMusic about this?

I have 2010a installed on an XPpro machine and I'm not getting that  
crash which you have described.  I just experimented again, with  
and without midi device entry, using speedy entry, and no crash.


Just how pervasive is this bug?  A couple of people have run into  
it, but certainly not a huge majority of the people on this list.


It would be interesting to know what sort of percentage have had to  
uninstall the product and then just reinstall the original 2010  
release.


David H. Bailey

Craig Parmerlee wrote:
Evidently on both.  It happened to me on Windows XP.  It happened  
to Christopher Smith on a Mac.
I wiped out the entire F2010 installation and reinstalled just the  
base product without the patch and it works normally.  I'd  
strongly advise against anybody putting on the patch, as it seems  
the problem is fairly pervasive.

[snip]

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Re: [Finale] Inverted V glyph

[Eric Fiedler]

Have you tried PopChar from ergonis software? It's shareware, not  
freeware, but I've been using it for years now and it pretty much  
tells you everything you need to know.

Cheers!
Eric

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On 13.07.2009, at 03:11, Darcy James Argue wrote:

Also: is there some kind of freeware font explorer utility for Mac  
that shows all of the glyphs included in a font and which  
keystrokes are required to generate them?


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Re: [Finale] re: creating PDF’s from Finale 2 k7

[Eric Fiedler]

Aryeh,
Works the same way in Fin(Mac) 2009 and 2010.
Cheers!
Eric

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On 29.06.2009, at 21:35, Aryeh Har-Even wrote:

Just to make sure, here’s how I create a PDF in Finale 2007: Open a  
formatted page in Page View > go to File and select Print > Under  
PDF select save as PDF.



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Re: [Finale] Modes & keyboards

[Eric Fiedler]

Bruce,
If you're interested in lots of nitty-gritty details of the way  
Renaissance composers thought about writing music, the (relatively)  
new book by Jessie Ann Owens: Composers at Work. The Craft of Musical  
Composition 1450-1600 (OUP 1997) is pretty good.

Eric

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On 20.06.2009, at 21:56, Bruce Clausen wrote:

John:  I'm in the middle of transcribing a far amount of early  
music (Machaut through A. Gabrieli) for horn choir (four parts).   
I'd like a better understanding of the music itself but  am at a  
loss to find any in-depth analysis of any particular piece.  If I  
had my druthers I'd really like to take apart some of the music of  
Josquin.  Do you have any recommendations for a book or article  
that examines any of this music according to its own rules of  
counterpoint, Renaissance theory, etc.?


Much obliged,
Bruce Clausen



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Subject: Re: [Finale] Modes & keyboards



At 7:38 AM -0400 6/18/09, dhbailey wrote:


Which is because they're all based on the old Greek tetrachords,
which were tuned (as I remember from theory class) as whole-step,
whole-step, half-step.  The keyboard has two of these separated by a
whole-step, which completes the octave.

Whether subsequent research (in the 38 years since I had that class)
has proved that wrong, I can't say.


Not wrong, but perhaps incomplete.  Yes, the Greeks based their modes
on conjunct and disjunct tetrachords, and one 9th century Carolingian
notational system THOUGHT it was duplicating that, although it really
didn't.  (And thank goodness THAT system never caught on!!!)  But the
Greeks also recognized both major and minor (large and small)
semitones, which never got built into the medieval system.  I too
learned all that in theory 55 years ago, but I've never used it since
and I skip over it in my Music History Survey class AND my Early
Music Literature class.

The problem was that Boethius, a Roman aristocrat who served the
first non-Roman Emperor in the late 5th and early 6th century,
thought he was writing a description of the Greek system, but he
messed it all up, and when medieval church musicians developed their
own system of modes around the beginning of the 11th century they
thought they were following Boethius and therefore following the
ancient Greeks, but they weren't and they didn't!

I'm not sure about the half- and whole-steps in the Greek scales, and
I'm too lazy to look it up, but that turned out to be the key to
Guido's system of hexachords in the early 11th century, with a
half-step between mi and fa in the middle of each hexachord and all
the rest of the intervals whole-steps.  And teaching his choirboys
(not to mention the reigning Pope) to identify the half-steps was the
key to learning to read music from the page.

John


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Virginia Tech Department of Music
College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences
Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
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