Sunwood Carriage Co.
This message is from: Ron & Sherrie Dayton It snowed today up here in north Idaho and our horses are all fuzzy and ready for some colder weather. This is a special time of year, looking forward to the holiday season and some winter fun. We never tire of the seasons and the changes here. It becomes kind of a challenge as we get older, but the horse seem to adapt fairly well. I guess the big thing to remembering to keep plenty of fresh water available and to stay on a good feeding schedule with good hay. We are about done fishing for the year and now have plenty of wood in for some time in the shop with our never ending projects. Now would be a good time to get your order in for some nice driving equipment for the spring. We have many designs for carts, carriages, wagons , etc., for a safe drive in or out of the show ring. We would like to thank all our past customers for their business and wish you all a Happy Holliday and Happy Trails as well. RD Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Size Maters
This message is from: Ron & Sherrie Dayton After many years of building horse drawn equipment, I still ponder about what size critter is going to pull this thing I just created? Whether it be horse, mule, donkey, lama, I still find that I must measure out the animal in all directions to get a true idea of what the situation is. We all have our favorite breeds and realize they come in different sizes even if they are called say a Fjord, Quarter horsed, Welsh, or any other breed. I often tell customers that before I can build them any equipment I first need to know all about the animal and size it up from all angles. I am just curious to see if most of us horse lovers are on the same track as far as size and breed goes. Say if we start with the very smallest of horses. I call these Minnie s, and I guess there is a limit before they become a pony at least for the purist. The way I see it is as follows: Minney, pony, 3/4, horse light draft med draft,heavy draft and so on to the Gentle Giants. Where would you pla! ce a heave built drafty 15 hand Fjord? I would place him or her in the light draft spot. So, I guess a Fjord can go from pony to 3/4 to full horse and in some cases light draft. When I build a wagon, I build it for one of five categories, minie, pony, 3/4, horse, or draft. The 3/4 in my mind would be a large pony, or small horse such as a Haflinger, small Fjord, Hackney, or any light horse. I have seen Morgans that would go into the light draft. I built a cart for a woman with a Bulldog Quarter horse that was very husky and tall with real drafty characteristics. So, to sum it up, I guess size is in the eye of the beholder, and it is truly not an exact science. The main thing I guess to consider is that what ever you expect to pull with your critter must be something he or she can handle. Just some thoughts to ponder while we are all trying to get over our cabin fever. They say spring is coming, "The sooner the better for us!" Well, I hope to see some of you folks in Oregon for the sale in April, "Happy trails to you all" RD Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Harness
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" Hi all, A friend of ours is looking for a used harness that would fit a miniature mule. The mule is 45 inches at the wither so I'm thinking a pony harness might fit. She prefers a work style harness with a collar. It does not need to be show quality, just safe and in good repair. I'm not sure how much she wants to spend. If you will e-mail me privately I'll give her your phone number and she can call you for more information. Thanks to all and stay warm, Sherrie Dayton sunw...@jrcda.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Fjord sculpture in bronze
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" Hi all, I just wanted to let you all know that there is an artist in this area that is doing a Fjord sculpture in bronze. The artist's name is Gabe Gabel, she does all kinds of sculptures in bronze and her work in wonderful. Any of you that have been to the Sandpoint Draft horse show may have seen her stuff there. She and her husband Emmet have a Fjord mare that they rescued earlier this year. They had had another Fjord that they dearly loved but he died suddenly at 22 years of age. Check out her web-site www.gabegabel.com and check out the link under works in progress, there is a special price if you buy before they're cast in bronze, there will only be 20 cast. Sherrie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Helmets
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" Hi all, I use a Troxel helmet anytime I'm riding or driving.. Before I used a helmet I had a skull fracture and a really bad concussion that required hospitalization. There is a video that I saw years ago called "Every Ride, Every Time", if that doesn't convince you to wear a helmet nothing will. Not preaching, just sharing information. Sherrie Sunwood Fjords Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Libby
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" Hi all, I just wanted to let everyone know that the entry forms and class schedule are all ready for those that are interested in coming to the Libby show. They are not on the PNFPG web-site yet but I'll be glad to send them to anyone that wants them. You can e-mail me at sunw...@jrcda.com or you can e-mail Linda Stevenson at :nwcr...@jrcda.com. They are all in a Word format. If you have any questions please let me know. Are there any of you that are coming to Libby that would be interested in a Fjord Horse Soccer game? We'd love to put together a group that could do a demo at Libby. Let me know. Hope all of you are enjoying summer with your Fjords now that it has arrived. Thanks, Sherrie Sunwood Fjords sunw...@jrcda.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Gnats
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" Hi all, I have a question for those of you that have to deal with clouds of Gnats. I have flymasks with the ears covered on the horses so they are not being eaten alive but what do you do to prevent the gnats from descending on people so you can work your horses.I'm really frustrated, we've had a long nasty winter and a wet miserable spring here in the Northwest and now the weather is better we have to deal with all the gnats. Is there a spray that will keep them away from me as well as the horses? Any help or info is appreciated. Thanks, Sherrie Dayton sunw...@jrcda.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Wilbur stuck in N. Idaho
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" Greetings from Sunwood Fjords & Carriage Co. Our friend "Wilbur" has come home for the Holiday's but we have a problem! Who ever sent him home forgot to include the mailing labels back in the box. Now we have no idea of where Wilbur is going next. Could the farm that sent Wilbur home PLEASE send us the mailing labels. Thanks and Happy Holidays to you all. RD Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Winter riding boots
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, I have a question for all of you that ride in the winter. I had a pair of winter riding boots that I wore for years and wore them out so now I'm looking to buy new boots and would buy the same ones that I had but they're not being made anymore. What brands do you all recommend, what are the pros and cons of the ones that you all have? Thanks for your help and info, Sherrie Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Herald and Resource guide
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HI all, I just received my new Herald and as usual it is excellent! The new NFHR Resource Guide that came with it is fantastic! A huge THANK YOU to all that worked on it! It is a great tool for all of us and for any new Fjord horse owners or those that just want to know more about this wonderful breed that we all love. We finally have something resembling high speed internet so any of you that may want it our new e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Sherrie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
"Wilbur up-date"
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, after about a year on the road, Wilbur finally made it home, just in time for our 8th annual Wagon Train/ Dutch Oven Cook-Off here at Sunwood. Thank you all so much for taking care of Wilbur. We really like the new saddle and head stall. and the blanket. At the last stop someone forgot to put the address labels back in the box. OOPS! If you see this post, Please send them to Sunwood, Thank You. Wilbur will be traveling to the Libby Show with Sherrie and even get evaluated. I think he will win for being the smallest Fjord of all. Not sure where he will go from Libby, when we get the labels back we will know more. "Happy Trails" RD Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Wilbur
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, Has anyone seen Wilbur, if so could you ask him to phone home, we haven't heard from you in a while. We'd like you to stop by home so we can take you to the Libby show and the Moses Lake show, then you can get back to your adventure. Mom, aka Sherrie Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
" Wilbur "
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If anyone has seen our friend " Wilbur " please have him phone home ! (208) 623-3600 Thank You. Ron & Sherrie The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Libby show 2008
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, I sure hope that you're enjoying spring, here in North Idaho we're still dealing with the white stuff. I thought that I'd bring you all up to date on the progress of the Libby show this year. First of all the correct dates for the show are Sept 12th - 14th, 2008. The dates that were in the PNFPG Newsletter were incorrect, we had gotten some bum info at the beginning of the year. Most years the show is the weekend after Labor Day, however, this year since the 1st of September falls on Labor Day the Nordicfest celebration and our show will be the weekend after that. I apologize for any confusion or problems this may cause some of you. There is an Evaluation scheduled for the 10th & 11th, so any of you that might want to have your horses evaluated please let either myself or Dan Watanabe know and we'll make sure that you have all the info that you need. Our Evaluators will be Wayne Hipsley and Karen Maas, Karen will then stay on as our Judge for the show. All the show info will be posted on the PNFPG web-site for download soon. We will be using the NFHR rule book for the show so any questions please check there. We have put together a show that I hope everyone will enjoy with lots of variety and fun things as well as regular competition. We're grouping our classes better this year so there should not be as many tack changes as in the past. We'll have our pot luck on Saturday night after competition ends for the day, Dan is trying to put together a clinic with Wayne for Friday morning before he leaves. Keep checking the PNFPG web-site for updates and I'll update the digest every so often as plans come together. Have a great spring and summer, I'll see some of you in a couple of weeks at the PNFPG Spring Fling in Moses Lake. If you have any questions please contact me privately, Sherrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
So Sad !
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> After reading the PNFPG Newsletter and included fliers of upcoming events, I find it rather troublesome to see that at a CDE event coming up in July at a members farm that "children are not welcome" ! How sad, to leave out those youngsters who will some day become the riders and teamsters of the future. Without these young folks the PNFPG will just fade away. but NOT to worry, children will always be welcome at Libby at at Sunwood Fjords as well. Over the past 20 plus years it has been pure joy working and playing with our horses and our young friends. "Happy Trails to all, "Young and Old" Ron Dayton The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
"Wilbur"
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wilbur has arrived at Olivia Farm in Ford, Wa. they are expecting a new foul soon so we expect some great pictures. Our web site is about to change to a new format soon so the updates will be delayed momentarily. Soon we will have all kinds of new photo's on the site. "Happy Trails" RD The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Somg great photo's on Sunwood Web-Site (sunwoodfjords.com)
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wilbur arrived at Hestehaven - The Horse Garden! Wilbur had a great time with Green Valley Farms and made the trip to Oregon with out any problems. The Fielders flew him first class priority! He is having such a good time. he thought he might stay a bit but we felt he needed to pack his bags and head to Washington State, so that he could be there by Easter. Wilbur did get out of working the farm due to heavy rains and cold weather. We were ready to harness him up to the teams. He may be in luck when he comes and visits Amy Evers... she just might have to put him to work. While at our place, Wilbur met the Norwegian Buhund puppies. The one photograph was taken with his favorite Behind puppy, a little female. There are six Behind puppies at the farm here. Mama, Sandy Maud Actuator gave birth on February 26, 2008. The Papa is Elite-Grad's Åsgård, a male Behind that Rune brought over from Norway for my birthday. Buhunds are considered a farm dog. The herd sheep and guard the farm. The next photograph is Wilbur and a few friends that have been sitting on our mantel since they were given to us by Ursula and Brian Jensen. Wilbur is wearing his newest neck charm, a medallion of HOPE for the 3 Day Breast Cancer walk in Seattle, WA. Wilbur took a training walk with me the other day. It was only 5 miles, he was impressed that thousands of people will take the time off to walk 60 miles in 3 days in order to raise money for and bring more awareness about Breast Cancer. Wilbur is invited to attend the walk if he is finished with his visits by late September. To find out more information about the 3 Day Walk, Wilbur borrowed our computer and went to www.the3Day.org and looked up all the activities. The final photograph is Wilbur by a Jær hus or Jæren hus. This is typical farm house in the area of Jæren, Norway. This house was a gift from a dear friend to Rune on his 50th birthday. It was not big enough for Wilbur to stay in but he enjoyed seeing it. Wilbur's bags are packed and he will go to Washington State to visit with James McMillian. Catherine Lassesen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
" We found Wilbur "
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, Wilbur called home today and said he had a swell time at Green Valley Farm, Thanks Howard !..Wilbur is now on his way over to visit with Catherine and Rune Lassesen in Oregon. I see someone has taken off the Norwegian scarf and added an American Flag scarf, "Nice touch" He looks well as you can see on our web site (sunwoodfjords.com) We expect some great pictures from Catherine, She has such cool sense of humor, Sherrie tells me that all is going well with the show committee for the Libby Show, Looks like we will have another great show and some good times as always with all our friends. Well, Happy Trails for now, from Wilbur and Ron & Sherrie. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Thanks
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks to all of you that responded regarding my question about what to do with old show ribbons. Some of the web-sites are amazing. I got some great ideas, Thanks again, Sherrie The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Question not related to horses
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, Hope everyone is surviving winter. I have a question for all of you that might quilt or sew. I have box's and box's of ribbons left over from past Libby shows and was wondering if there was anything that I could make with all of them. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, Thanks, Sherrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
" The adventures of Wilbur "
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wilbur got to his first stop, Willow Edge Farm in Bothell Wa. Carinne Logan and her son took Wilbur along with some of her horses on a trip around Seattle. Check it our on our web site (sunwoodfjords.com) After a record snow fall (since 1915), we are about ready for spring. I think we will have snow on the ground in July this year. We should have enough for some great sleigh rides with the sun out and warmer days. Happy Trails from Ron & Sherrie. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Wilbur correction
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HI all, The correct web address should be www.sunwoodfjords.com , Ron left off the "s" after fjord. Sorry for any confusion, Sherrie The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
" The adventures of Wilbur "
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy Folks, Well, Sunwood is off on another project, We are sending a little Fjord named "Wilbur" on a trip around the country and overseas as well. He will visit many Fjord Farms and his travels will be tracked by Sunwood and posted in the PNFPG Newsletter as well as the Herald. We hope to get many pictures returned to Sunwood of Wilbur near landmarks and in unusual settings on farms and we really want to get the kids involved in this. It should be fun and for now we are sending Wilbur first to the 40 farms who are listed in the "Fjords-Farms-and Friends Book we published a while back. Then on to other farms who let us know they would like to have Wilbur for a visit at their farm. If you go to our web site you will find more information and a photo of Wilbur. We would like you all to wish Wilbur " Happy Trails " Thanks, Ron & Sherrie Dayton ( www.sunwoodfjord.com) It should all be posted there in the next few days. For more information call (208) 623-3600 or E-mail us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Western Saddles
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, I have a Royal King with a flex tree that I use and my husband has a Circle Y with full quarter horse bars that he uses. Sherrie Dayton The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Libby lost and found
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HI to all of you that were at Libby, I've inherited some items that were left at Libby. One is a blue fleece jacket with MARMOT embroidered on the front, size small, next is a Black Kodak camera bag, and finally a stainless steel coffee mug from Sapphire Frog Espresso. I'll bring them to the Fall PNFPG meeting if you're going to be there, or let me know where to send them. Thanks, Sherrie The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Carts etc.
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have been reading many of your thoughts on carts and other horse drawn equipment on the list. It is good that we are all sharing ideas and concerns about safety and function. As was mentioned, there are many vehicles out there to avoid and many have come to our shop for repair and rebuild. Each year we do a free tune up at Sunwood and help each other get their equipment in order for a safe and enjoyable drive. Safety is key at our driving events and we have had a very good track record with our equipment and many satisfied customers. Check out our web site for more information and vehicles (sunwoodfjords.com) Happy Trails Ron & Sherrie Dayton of Sunwood Fjords and Carriage Co. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
New Book from Sunwood
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy from Sunwood. Yes, I am doing another book (Sherrie is rolling her eyes!) What I want to do is put together all the great recipe's from all the Duth Oven Cook Off's and Wagon Trains we have had here at Suwood over the last 6 to 7 years. I will include pictures, stories, poems, etc. If I could get any of you who came and cooked at these events just send me the recipe's and stories, photo's etc. and I will include you in the Cook Book. The cost should be under $20. I will publish, bind and print it myself. Over the years we have had some really great dishes and we will be doing another Cook Off/Wagon Train this summer. Thanks again for all your support on these projects. "Happy Trails" Ron & Sherrie Dayton E-mail me or send information for the book to: Sunwood Fjords & Carriage Co. 28281 North Ramsey Road Athol, Idaho 83801 USA For further information call (208) 623-3600 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
"Fjords Farms and Friends" (Book)
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy from Sunwood Fjords & Carrieage Co. Just a reminder that we are now down to only ten books, there is still time to purchase one for your family and friends before Christmas, so if you want a copy, the sooner the better, We would like to thank all the good folks who took the time to help us put this project together. Without your help it would have never happened. This shows that we DO have team player in the Fjord community. "Happy Holidays one and all" Ron & Sherrie Dayton The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Nurtena lite balance
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all from rainy, snowy North Idaho, We started using it about a month ago after I heard about it at Winona, probably too early to notice any difference in the horses yet. The horses all seem to like it and eat it all up. We feed it along with their regular grass hay. I like the idea that it's limited calories and not a "hot" feed like oats. Everyone have a safe and fun filled holiday, Sherrie The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Fw: PNFPG now 100+ members
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Original Message - From: Ron & Sherrie Dayton To: Ron & Sherrie Dayton ; ruth bushnell Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:20 AM Subject: Re: PNFPG now 100+ members Howdy, Howdy,Just a short update and details on the fall meeting in Yakima: I just got off the phone with Debby (the host at the museum) She said the regular price of admission is $ 5. but as we are going as a group the cost will be $ 2.50 ea. and $ 1.50 for kids and seniors. When you get to the museum just tell the girl at the desk that you are with the PNFPG. They changed their hours as well, They will be open at 10. am. Also, There is a nice outdoor antique impliment museum at Union Gap, just a short distance from the Motel. They are open from 1 pm to 4 pm. So for those of you that would like to see this, we can head over there for an hour or so and then on to the meeting. "Happy Trails" Ron ----- Original Message - From: Ron & Sherrie Dayton To: ruth bushnell Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: Re: PNFPG now 100+ members I got it too, not sure what he's trying to say. Do you have anything that you'd like me to take to the meeting on Saturday? Sherrie - Original Message - From: ruth bushnell To: Sherrie Dayton Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 2:31 PM Subject: Fw: PNFPG now 100+ members just received this from Riddle - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Aarston, Dagrun ; Bakken, Allison ; Barnes, Tenille & Wendy ; Bogan, Bryn ; Bushnell, Ruth ; Charvet, Heather ; Clifner, Jocelyn ; Clumpner, Marg ; Conaway, Dean and Kathy ; Duncan, Janet ; Fulton, Gordon & Geri ; Gann, Susan ; Gonzales, Patricia ; Hannah, Marsha Jo ; Hayes-Rice, Sue ; Justad, Odd and Greta ; King, Amanda ; Knee, Cheryl ; Bauer, Betsy ; Gioia, Steve and Cheryl ; Grantham, Sue Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: PNFPG now 100+ members PNFPG passes the100 MEMBER mark ! Congratulations to Julia Northrup, our newest member, from Redmond, Washington and also our 100th member. (Dues still coming in) PNFPG has grown from 43 paid members at this time 3 years ago. Yes, and with growth sometimes there are GROWING PAINS. PNFPG has already grown from one major yearly event (the Libby show) to a second major event (our Moses Lake Spring Fling). Will members again sponsor 3 CDE clinics in 2007? How many trail rides, fun days, breederâs festivals? And the big question is: will PNFPG sponsor one Fall show or two? Will it be at Libby, Moses Lake or both?? The decision will be made November 4 at our Fall business meeting and whatever the answer, PNFPG is growing and moving forward. Members need to ask themselves: Which show location(s) can I participate in as a committee worker, an entrant, a spectator? To which show location(s) will I invite family, friends, potential new members and potential Fjord buyers? Enthusiasm for both shows seems high. It even looks like Dennis Johnson (almost a founding member) will leave Fjord-semi-retirement and again join the Libby show. What are the issues? Moses Lake has covered stalls and arena but Libby has a certain ambiance and a sentimental history. Moses Lake has room for the show to grow. Libby facilities have improved but also shrunk in usable field areas. Moses Lake charges for their arenas but Libby is free. Libby has a well-known asbestos problem but a few think there is an arsenic problem in central Washington. (For those folks I would suggest you never again touch any green treated wood. The green is copper-chromated-ARSENIC.) So, can we afford Moses Lake, Libby or both. Well, somehow PNFPG has always afforded Libby even though it lost money in 2003 and 2005. (2006 show costs have not yet been published) Pessimists project we would lose $3000 at a Moses Lake Show. Well, yes, maybe, if we charge only the $7 per class entry fee we have been charging at Libby. Members need to ask themselves if they save gas and time at a Moses Lake show will they be quite happy to pay $15/class entry fees. Breed shows generally charge $20 and up. $15 fees would have brought in over $3000 more at Libby in 2006. Judge costs will be less. Any judge flying into the Spokane Airport will cost less for car rental, hotel and food at Moses Lake than at Libby, 1-2 days less. So, think it thru members. Vote for 1 or both shows and lets keep growing. See you in Yakima, Nov 4 for the museum tour (11 a.m.) and business meeting (4:30) Warren Riddle, Teddy Bear Fjords, Spokane The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Fall Meeting of the PNFPG "Door Prizes"
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy from Sunwood, To encourage more members to make it to the fall meeting this year we will have some nice door prizes, donated by different farms in the group. If you would like to donate an item (horse related) for the Door Prizes, just bring it to the meeting and give it to Ron and we will add it to the list. You will all have a number under your place mat at the dinner and the drawings will go on all evening. Thank you for your help on this and have a safe trip to Yakima."Happy Trails" Ron & Sherrie Dayton The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Wynona Show & "The Books"
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, Howdy to all our Fjord Friends back in Wynona. Sherrie is there along with Shirley Anderson. They will be there for a week and she has the books or at least 20 of them. Most are spoken for but if your lucky she will have one for you. If you are "In the book" with your farm, you will not want to miss getting your book. Just go to the promotional booth and they should know where Sherrie is and how to purchase a book. If you do miss out, you can always order one from us back here in Idaho at Sunwood. If you do get to the show, I hope you all have a swell time. I am back here doing chores and feeding the Fjords here at our place. I hope Sherrie can get some good pictures of the show back there. We all wish you well, "Happy Trails" Ron Dayton, Sunwood Fjords and Carriage Co. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
PNFPG Fall meeting reminder
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good Morning all, For those that plan on attending the Fall meeting in Yakima please contact us by the 20th of October so that we can have an accurate count for the number of dinners. Thanks, Sherrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Libby
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Be advised that the latest mailing to the PNFPG membership from the Riddles regarding the Libby/Moses lake question is FULL of LIES and MIS-INFORMATION.The truth will come out at the fall meeting in November and you will be given the REAL FACTS. Also, regardless of the outcome on the Libby Moses Lake Question, There will be a show at Libby in 07. Same time as always. "You can take that to the bank" I find it kind of ironic that Sherrie & I have just finished the book on Fjords, Farms, and Friends to help bring the Fjord community closer together and now we have a member trying to tear us apart. To all the GOOD folks in the PNFPG, "Happy Trails" Ron Dayton Sunwood Fjords and Carriage Co. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Response to Fred's Barred from Libby-long
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, First of all this is going to be rather long so I apologize in advance. I want to share with everyone what was involved in the decision that the show committee and PNFPG made in not allowing Fred's mare and trainer to compete at Libby this year. It was not an easy decision! It was not a snap decision, there had been concerns over the several days leading up to the Friday night incident in the arena that was the straw that broke the camels back so to speak. It did not start with the Advanced Driving test at the Evaluation. We did not make our decision just on what happened on Friday night. People had been coming to the show committee over several days leading up to Friday night. The show committee and officers that were present met on Saturday morning and we made the decision to not let the horse/handler compete. We told Fred that the other horses and the other handler could compete. For those of you that don't know me I have been involved with the Libby show committee for about 15 years. Some as show chairman and other times as just a member of the show committee. This year I was Show chairman. This year was the first time in all the time that I have been a part of this show that we had to tell someone that they would not be allowed to compete. Politics were NOT a part of our decision, SAFETY was. In all the years that I have participated in this show we have never had people come to the show committee with safety concerns and in some cases down right outrage at the lack of regard for the safety of their fellow competitors. There were 17 different people that came to me, Woody Hoopes and Shirley Anderson about this horse/handler. That has never happened before! Some of these people are on this list and if they want to wade in on this they can, I will respect their privacy and not name names. I will say this, they are all very experienced, well regarded horse people. First, some background. Fred is not aware of this but this all actually started last year at Libby. This same horse raised concerns last year and we kept an eye on her then. Last years show was a much smaller show with only 29 horses on the grounds and much smaller classes. In retrospect maybe we should have done something last year but we gave the horse/handler the benefit of the doubt. Fred and Bonnie claim that it is the cart, this horse behaves this way under saddle as well as in harness. The basic body language of this horse is with a hollowed out back, neck thrown back and up and with her head/nose tipped up in the air as far as she can get it. The general appearance is that this horse is about to bolt. She does not give the appearance of being quiet and calm and under control. Basic horse 101 is that if one horse gives the appearance of being nervous or is nervous, it makes other horses nervous. That's the way that they have evolved and survived over time as prey animals. All you need is one nervous/out of control horse to set off a whole arena full of horses. Several very knowledgeable horse people that observed this horse said "she (the horse) has no confidence in her handler or is afraid of her handler". Next, Brian DID NOT go around bad mouthing this horse, Brian was our safety person on the grounds this year since he was unable to bring horses. Brian simply shared the same concerns that everyone else was having. Everyone that came to me about the Friday night incident told me that Bonnie DID NOT ask permission of those in the arena to practice her barrels "BEN HUR"style, yes, standing up in her cart at a full gallop with other horses in the arena, basic common sense and respect would tell you that this should only be done in an enclosed arena with no one else in the arena, if ever! Part of our decision was based on the total lack of regard that Bonnie showed for her fellow competitors! Woody did talk to Bonnie on Sunday afternoon when she was driving this mare, he also said that "every time that Bonnie touched the lines the horse threw it's head up and away". We did not make this decision to "eliminate competition". Woody and I were not competing so had no axe to grind. Bonnie and I talked on Saturday night, she apologized for the Friday night incident and pleaded to compete on Sunday, I talked to the show committee and we decided to let our decision stand. She talked about the cart and how this cart is the one that is used for "speed" events. I tried to explain the difference between "out of control speed" and 'controlled speed". I suggested that she watch Krist Martinsen in the speed classes. Krist and Per compete in all the driving classes, pleasure, barrels, obstacles, double jeopardy, what ever we have that year. His
Libby
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HI all, I like the idea of a Spring show or a late Fall show in Moses Lake, that way those that still want to do the Libby show can still do it. If you have a show in Moses Lake either in the spring or the fall you could also have one of the PNFPG semi-annual meetings at the same time which would also save people more on their travel expenses. Just a thought, Sherrie
Book (Fjords Farms & Friends)
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, Before the Libby Show I said I would get back to you with the shipping cost of the Book. After talking with the Post Office, I find that the actual cost for shipping the book will be right at $ 5.00 US and $6.00 Canadian. This includes a padded envelope to protect the book. And the cost of the book is $ 32.50 so if and when you want a book just send a check to us at Sunwood Fjords & Carriage Co. at 28281 North Ramsey Road, Athol, Id USA (for questions call (208) 623-3600 or E-mail us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are in short supply and expect to do an other printing and 40 books have been reserved for the farms in the book. Thanks for all those at the Libby Show who purchased the book. Sherrie will have some at the National show back east so you might see her if you are there and save some postage. Thanks again to all for you help on this non-profit project. "Happy Trails" Ron & Sherrie Dayton
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Book (Fjords, Farms& Friends) Ready to ship!
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy from Sunwood, Good News for those of you wanting your copy of the book. it IS ready to ship. We have set aside 40 copies for those farms that are in the book. I got a bit carried away with all the color pictures and more pages than planned, so the cost did go up some. But the book turned out very nice. The publishing cost was $ 32.50 and shipping will be right at $ 2.50 US (more in Canada, I will check on this and let you know after the holiday) If you live back east and plan to attend the Winona show there, Sherrie will have books with her to sell there and save you the postage. For a book, just send a check to Sunwood Fjords 28281 North Ramsey Road, Athol, Id. 83801. Thank you all for your support on this non-profit venture. We will have a silent auction for a book at the Libby Show and more books for sale there as well. "Happy Trails" Ron & Sherrie Dayton. (questions ? call 208-623-3600 or E-mail us at [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Libby
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi All, For all of you that are heading out for Libby I've checked the weather forecast for the next week and it looks like we should have nice weather this year. Please all of you drive carefully and I'll see you all there. I'll be there on Tuesday morning. Sherrie Dayton 2006 Libby Show Chair
Fall Meeting of the PNFPG
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Notice to all members of the PNFPG: Just a reminder that the fall meeting will soon be here and we need to get a count on how many for dinner and who will be attending the meeting. Forms were sent out to all members a while back and we need them to be returned with check by Oct. 20th. The Howard Johnson Plaza also needs you to contact them by 10-11-06 to reserve a room. (509) 452-6511) We have set aside a block of rooms and they may fill up fast. Looks as if there will be some very interesting issues brought up at this meeting so I would encourage ALL members to BE THERE. We will send you a sign up sheet and Map if you missed out. Just E-mail us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We will also have some sign up sheets and maps available at the Libby Show. The tour of the museum will be something you will NOT want to miss. "Happy Trails" Ron & Sherrie Dayton
Team Hitch "observation"
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just reading threw the Herald, and noticed something kind of strange on page 42. Here is a pair hitched to what looks like a Roberts carriage. Now, I'm not an engineer, but shouldn't the side checks go OVER the horses head rather than under the neck?, and shouldn't the pole go threw the center ring on the neck yoke ? Just an observation..Your thoughts?"Happy Trails" RD
Summer Herald
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi All, I just received my summer issue of the Herald, for those of you that haven't received yours yet you're in for a treat! It's a gorgeous issue, Beth and Sandy have done a wonderful job so far but this issue is the best yet! GREAT JOB! Sherrie Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Libby Evaluation
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, Just a reminder that if you're planning on attending the Libby Evaluation the deadline was the 15th but I know that Mike is still accepting Preliminary entry forms. If you need forms they can be downloaded at www.pngpg.org or you can e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll be glad to e-mail them to you. Thanks, Sherrie Dayton Sunwood Fjords
Sandpoint Draft Horse Show
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi All, GOOD NEWS for PNFPG, We've been invited to join in on the fun at the 2006 Show in Sandpoint Idaho, Sept 22, 23, 24, 2006. We will have the opportunity to do a filler/demo for ten minutes in all five performances at the show this year during all three days of the show. Many details are yet to be worked out. Ron & Sherrie Dayton will be ram roding this effort for the group. What we need for now is a FIRM commitment from members who have the time and the desire to join us. We have a deadline of August 1st to get some pictures in the program and to make our decision to be in the show, so e-mail or call us ASAP and we will put you on the list. What we need are some really good hitches with well trained horses to really represent the group and put on a good showing of the Fjord Horse. This is only two weeks after Libby, so the timing is kind of tight. We would like to have riders, drivers, single or team, Norwegian costumes, etc. We will have a meeting at the Libby Show to iron out some of the details. If you are at all interested in joining us, please let us know ASAP. We've been trying for years to get into this show and this is an opportunity to get our feet in the door and have the Fjords on the grounds for the largest Draft Horse Show in the Inland Northwest. Thanks, Ron & Sherrie Dayton Sunwood Fjords [EMAIL PROTECTED] 208-623-3600
Libby and other things
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, I just wanted to let you all know that all the forms and patterns are now available for downloading for the Libby show. Also if for some reason you didn't get the Evaluation Preliminary packet that was mailed back in June it is also there for downloading. And finally, our book, Fjords, Friends and Farms is in the hands of the publisher. Thanks to all of you that sent us photo's and write up's for the book. The plan is that we'll have them ready for the Libby show and I'll be bringing some to the National show in Winona. Hope to see a bunch of you at Libby, Sherrie Dayton Sunwood Fjords
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Sale of public land "BAD IDEA"
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For those of you in the north Idaho and eastern Washington area that like to trail ride and enjoy the National Forest, WE NEED YOUR HELP ! If you have time to write a letter to U.S. Senator Larry Craig,, U.S. Senate, Washington D.C. 20510-1203Let him know your feelings on the attempt by Pres. Bush & company to sell off our public land and close our trails. There was a good article in the Spokesman Review on April 1st about the proposed sale of the English Point Recreation Trails area north west of Hayden Lake, Id. about 6 miles of fine horse, and hiking trail with a spectacular view of the lake and the mountains. I have never been up there myself, but have friends who have and for those that enjoy these areas, it would be a sad day when they are gone to land developers. We really need to keep this land for future generations don't you think? If this is going on in your area, lets all take a stand and get the word out that we are very much against the sale of public land. Thanks for your time. We want to continue to have "Happy Trails" RD
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Team Harness "Stub Lines"
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, I was reading a good book the other day "A Teamster's View" by Steve Bowers(2001) In one chapter he has some really good information on team harness and some of the problems in regards to "Stub Lines" While working with my team and just getting started in harnessing and hitching, I have noticed that a few times we had similar problems with the horses see-sawing and to the point where the buckle at the stub line could easily get caught up threw the hame ring and cause a bad situation like Steve talks about in the book. He notes that in Europe they use longer stub lines that can't get into the hame loops in fact they are so long that the teamster can actually reach out and adjust the buckle from the drivers seat. We tend to use short stub lines in this country for some reason and to counter this problem some teamsters use "stay chains" to keep the eveners from moving way out of alignment when the horses get out of sink and start to see-saw. I would like to know your thoughts on this and what is the best way to go. Short or long stub lines? Stay chains? in this book, Steve also gets into some real details on lateral alignment and all that is important when hitching with spreaders and without, I especially would like to hear from Brian Jensen on this and it might be a good subject for us all to think about. Thanks for your time. "Happy Trails" RD
Book Update (Fjords, Farms and Friends)
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy from Sunwood, Just a short note to let you know where we are on the book. First of all, thanks to all the kind folks who have taken the time to support our efforts and sent in their pages. We have some fabulous photos and write ups on many of your farms. We feel like we have made many new friends in the Fjord community. We have nearly 50 farms so far and expect a few more. We have sent a mock up to the publisher for a quote and we should hear back soon on that. Our plan is to have the book done by the big 20 year anniversary show in Libby, Montana in Sept., And we will have some books at the National show in Minnesota in Oct. so, if you live in the mid-west and are going to the national show, and you want to see your farm in the book, this would be a great time to rush your pages to us. We can find a way to get them in for you. As soon as we hear from the publisher, we will pass on the information as to the cost and the delivery date. Thanks again to you all. "Happy Trails" Ron & Sherrie
Virtual Evaluations
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, One thing that no one has touched on is that this is a very young system. As more horses are Evaluated there will be a larger pool of Evaluated horses to choose from. I don't recall that anyone has advocated that only Evaluated horses be bred. Yes there has been talk about breeding the best to the best, but that's always the way it should be. Personally I think that having a horse one on one with a couple of Evaluators for 10 or 15 minutes is a far better system anything else out there. Virtual Evaluations might be a useful tool for young stock. Young horses change so much in their first 3 years. I still think that fully mature horses need the hands on type of Evaluation that we have now. We need more trained Evaluators and regionally, trained people that can help organize and put on the Evaluations. PNGPG also does clinic's on how to present your horse for Evaluation, they're usually done at the Spring Meeting which gives everyone five to six months to prepare their horses and themselves. I know that Brian and Ursula have video's from past Evaluations that show the patterns and what needs to be done to present your horse as well as some examples of not "doing your horse a favor", it does your horse no good to take him or her out of the pasture a month before an Evaluation and take 50 pounds off them and then try and have them Evaluated. The horse needs to be worked and conditioned before hand as well as the handler needs to be in shape. The handler needs to be able to jog the horse at a good pace so the Evaluators can see the movement. I've seen the Evaluators ask and re-ask a handler to trot and re-trot a horse because they want to really get a good eye view of how that horse moves. They move around, they squat down at ground level to see how the hooves hit the ground, they really try and give every horse the benefit of the doubt, all of that would be lost with virtual evaluations. At the end of the day when they make their comments I've heard any number of times the Evaluator say "we just couldn't see the movement and so couldn't score them accordingly" or something like that. It wasn't for lack of trying on the Evaluators part. They do everything that they can do to have that horse presented in the very best light. The Evaluators comments at the end of the day would all be lost if we went to virtual Evaluations. The only person that would have those comments would be the horse owner. These comments are extremely educational to those that are present. A lot of first time Fjord owners can learn a lot by listening to the Evaluators at the end of the day. Evaluations are not just about having horses evaluated but EDUCATION as well. We would loose all the education that comes from the Evaluators comments as they are now done if we switched to virtual evaluations. I do think that an instructional DVD or Video by NFHR on Evaluations and how to prepare for them would be a good idea. It could be purchased by the clubs or individuals and then the clubs or groups that want to sponsor an Evaluation could have a meeting or get together and watch and learn from the DVD. If further info is needed then have a clinic with someone like Brian & Ursula, or Gayle or Anne or who every else in your area does clinics. It will cost a little but in the long run you and your horse will be better prepared and your horse will be Evaluated at his or her best, and that's the bottom line. IF I remember correctly the last time that Brian and Ursula did a clinic for PNFPG it only cost about 30.00 per person for an all day classroom clinic with the video and lots of questions and answers as well as handouts to take with you. It was well worth the dollars that I spent. As I stated earlier, this is a young system but I think that it is still the best thing going and it will continue to change and evolve as we go. Our Registry is only 25 years old! The Evaluation system is even younger. Give it time. Since we're on the subject of Evaluations, all of you in the west or anyone planning on being in the west in September, we are planning an Evaluation at Libby in conjunction with the Libby 20th Anniversary show. The dates would be the 6th and 7th and the show would be the 8th thru the 10th. If you're interested please let me know. Thanks, Sherrie
Fjords, Farms & Friends
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, Just a reminder that the deadline to send in your pages is the 31st of December. Happy Holidays and stay warm from cold and showy North Idaho. Sherrie Dayton Sunwood Fjords
X-breeding
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, The incident that Warren mentioned where the lady represented her "cross breed" as pure breed is one of the basic reasons that I've always been against cross breeding. For the most part the people that sell cross breeds are dishonest and try and represent them as pure bred Fjords. When the horse acts less then "Fjordly" it gives us all a black eye. We have to fight enough of an uphill battle making the public at large understand that these horses are more then cute little draft horses with a Mohawk. I believe that cross breeding between two different breeds should only be done to improve the two breeds being brought together. I have yet to see an "improvement" on your basic Fjord. I actually had a guy ask if we could recommend a Fjord stallion so he could breed his Paso mare to a Fjord! Why on earth would any one want to cross a Paso with a Fjord is beyond me. I've seen Fjord crossed with Arabs, Quarter horses, Welsh's, Shetlands, Percherons and Fjord mules. None of them were an improvement on either breed. The sale where this incident took place is Private Treaty which I think translates to BUYER BEWARE! I have a question for Mike or someone else from the Registry, has any horse had their papers pulled for cross breeding? We all know that it's being done, which means that there are stallions and or mares that are being bred outside. Have any papers been pulled? Respectfully, Sherrie Sunwood Fjords
Dutch Oven Cook-Off, Sandpoint, Id.
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, Howdy, For those who planned on joining us for the Dutch-Oven Cook-off at Sandpoint, Id. on Friday afternoon Sept. 23, ..We have changed the Date to Sept. 24th (Saturday) so as to get more members involved. I guess some of us are still working, Ha! so If you plan to join us give me a call and we will sign you up. We will be doing a demo on Dutch-Oven cooking at the show on Friday afternoon as well but the annual Sunwood Cook-Off for prizes will be on Sat Sept. 24th Sorry for the change. Hope to see you there. We will have prizes for the Best Main Dish, Best Side Dish, Best Bread, and Best Desert. Following the cook-off will be a big dinner to sample the goods for all the members of the PNFPG and the N.W. Pleasure Driving Group.The dinner bell will ring about 4pm. "Happy Trails" Ron & Sherrie Dayton.
Libby News
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, I received the following yesterday from Shirley Anderson and when we talked this morning she recommended that we post the info on the digest for those of you that are planning on coming to Libby. There has been a confirmed case of Vesicular Stomatitis (VS) in the eastern part of Montana (Yellowstone County, Billings area). This will adversely affect the Libby Show. Cases have also been confirmed in Colorado, Utah, New Mexico and Arizona. Although generally not fatal in horses, it is extremely uncomfortable as it causes blister-like lesions that are located in the mouth, dental pad, tongue, lips, nostrils, on the coronary bands or on the teats. Horses are uncomfortable enough that they generally stop eating and severe weight loss usually follows. This can last several weeks as the infected animal heals. I visited with my vet, Roland Hall this morning and it is his opinion that our show does not need to be cancelled. However there are travel restrictions in effect in the state of Montana. Those restrictions change from stat to state depending on the origin of the horse and I will be doing some research as to who and how these restrictions apply. We will have to have a vet on site to give health certificates to horses in preparation for leaving the state of Montana. Although I will continue to pursue this at this time it appears those health checks will need to come within 72 hours of departure. Health Certificates bringing your horse into the state will not be accepted to get you out of the state. For more info on this outbreak please visit the Department of Livestock web site at, www.mt.gov/liv. As of this morning when I talked to Shirley, who is on her way to a trade show for the family business, she has arranged with her vet Roland Hall to do the Health Certificates at Libby so people can return home. I would also check with your local Vet for the latest info on what is going to be required to return to you home state or states that you may be traveling through. Shirley will be doing more follow up on this when she returns on Monday. In the mean time if you have any questions you could e-mail me or call me and I'll try and answer your questions. Sherrie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Evaluations
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, All the talk about the Evaluation program has started me thinking. Whether you believe in the Evaluation system or not it seems to be working. I believe this because I've heard people like Wayne Hipsley say at Libby that the overall quality of the Fjord Horses that he sees is better then it was 10 years ago. I'm sure that the same is true for the other shows and evaluations. That tells me that the Fjord owner/breeders are educating themselves about what is a good quality Fjord horse. Part of that learning process has been due to them attending Evaluations. Even if you don't bring horses to be evaluated you learn from the experience. The comments at the end of the day by the Senior Evaluator are very educational. To keep the gene pool large but continue to breed inferior quality stallions and mares is not doing this breed any favors. Yes you'll have more genetic diversity but it will be of lower quality over all. That is what has happened in other breeds, the overall quality of the breeds has deteriorated. I have friends that breed other horses and when I tell them about our Evaluation program any number of them have said "I wish our Registry had something like that". This country is so large that you end up with pockets of the same bloodlines in one area. We have a lot of good stallions in this country but they're spread out so far. I wish there were a program where East coast and West coast stallion owners could swap stallions for a couple of years or so. That would introduce different bloodlines and create more genetic diversity and would also alleviate the shrinking of the gene pool but maintain the quality. Our system is not perfect but it's the best thing going. I have found over the years that the owner/breeders for the most part really want to protect this breed. Our Registry and those that have worked so hard to put this program in place are to be applauded. It will continue to be a work in process and get better and better and as a result our horses will get better and better. Just my two cents worth. Sherrie Sunwood Fjords [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Evaluations and other things
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, I guess I missed something, I don't remember ever hearing or reading that having stallions or mares evaluated would lead to a shrinking of the gene pool. If the information from the evaluated horses is used as an Educational tool it will only strengthen the breed as a whole. Next I have a question about bees and stock tanks, we're having a real problem with the bees and our horses stock tanks. I even put out a water dish for the bees but they keep going to the stock tanks and falling in and drowning and we have to clean out dozens of dead bees everyday. Can anyone offer a suggestion? Finally, thanks to all of you that have sent in your stuff for our book, we still need many more pages from those of you that had responded so we're going to extend the deadline to Dec 31, 2005. We have a publisher lined up and are trying to keep the cost down to under 20.00. Farms that send in their pages will bet a discount. Thanks to Beth and Sandy for taking on the job of Newsletter Editors. I know that they'll do a good job. Sherrie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Horse Previews
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, This is a reminder for all of you in the Pacific Northwest that the deadline for the August issue of Horse Previews magazine is July 15th. This is the issue that features the Norwegian Fjord Horses. The cover this year will be Beth Beymer winning the Versatility award at last years Libby show. Please send your ads or articles that you'd like to submit to www.horse-previews.com atten: Helen, or if you have any questions please call her at 509-922-3456 or 800-326-2223. If I can be of any help or you have questions that I can answer please e-mail me privately, Thanks, Sherrie Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Deadline Set for book(Fjords, Farms & Friends)
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy from Sunwood Fjords & Carriage Co. We hope your summer is going well and you are busy playing with your horses. We have had over fifty farms indicating their desire to be included in the book "Fjords, Farms, & Friends" and we have received some pages from many of you and we are off to a good start on the book, If you have not sent in your pages we need them soon so we can get the layout ready to print, so we have set the deadline for Sept 30 2005. We hope to have the book available for Christmas. It may be a gift you might want to send to a friend or family member. So, if you want to be included in the book please take the time to get your pages to us. Again, if you have any questions just give us a call or E-mail us. Thanks again for your support on this fun project. As I said before, it is a NON profit project and we will try to keep the cost of the book down to pay for the printing only. (under $ 20.) Hope to hear from you soon, "Happy Trails" Ron & Sherrie Dayton (208) 623-3600
Vending at the Libby Show
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, As a member of the PNFPG Libby Show Ad committee, I am in the process of lining up vendors for the Libby Show this September. We are offering an outside spot near the show office 10 ft. square for the three day show for $ 50. You will need to bring your own tent or cover and provide the show with liability insurance for your booth at set up. We will try not to duplicate the booths so as to have a variety. Only quality horse related items please. The PNFPG reserves the right to refuse any booth. For an aplication and more information please contact Ron Dayton (208 623-3600. "Happy Trails"
Fjords, Farms, & Friends (Book)
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy from Sunwood, Just to update you on the book progress. To date we have had nearly 50 farm respond to our project. We have five farm pages ready for print and expect more soon. We have not yet set a deadline for the pages so there is plenty of time. But like Christmas, it tends to sneak up on us. So when you find the time to get your pages to us we can get a better idea of the size and content of the book and get on with the details of printing and pricing it. I will have a few sample pages and further information on hand at the PNFPG Spring meeting on April 9th. With this early spring, it might be a good time to get some nice photo's of your farm and horses, and a really good time to include some babies. Well, have a swell spring. "Happy Trails" RD
Sad news from Libby
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good evening all, It is with a great deal of sadness that I have to tell you all of the passing of Patty Peterson. For those of you that didn't know Patty she lived in Libby and was one of the early organizers of the Libby show as part of Nordicfest. She will be greatly missed by those of us that knew her. Please remember her husband Hans and the rest of her family in your prayers tonight. Patty dearly loved her Fjords and one of them was waiting for her at the bridge today when she passed. Sherrie
Howdy From Sunwood Fjords
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Congratulations to Bushwacker Fjords. They were the first farm to send in their pages for the new book. "Thanks Ruthie" We will need to fine tune it a bit but most of the information is there and it will make a fine layout for the book. We are only using a few pictures for the sample page but the finished pages will look just great. The sample pages should be on our web site in a day or so. (keep in mind that the sample is very rough and I know most of you will do a bang up job! Thanks again for you help. "Happy Trails" Ron & Sherrie
Fjords, Farms, & Friends, web site
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, Howdy, Sunwood will have their new web site up and running real soon. It will be www.sunwoodfjords.com We will have a page for the new book "Fjords Farms & Friends" We will use the first farm to send us the pages as a sample on the web site. We will continue to up date the site as to the status of the book project. "Happy Turkey Day" Ron & Sherrie
Fjords, Farms, & Friends Book (update)
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy from Sunwood, How do you build a book? Well, you start with the cover! We have the go ahead to use a fine oil painting of a pair of Fjords in harness for the cover of the book. The artist Marla Brawn is from Hot Springs Montana. Her and her new husband Russ, live on his dads old homestead. Marla paints landscapes and many of the creatures on the land. She teaches art in the evening at a local school with Russ being her number one student. Anyhow the Fjord team will work out real fine for the cover. We have over 30 favorable responses to date and expect many more so keep passing the word and we hope to soon receive some copy so we can get it started. Thanks again for all your support on the project. "Happy Trails" Ron & Sherrie. ps. We hope to have our web site up and running soon where we will post a good sample page for the book and some other details plus the cover shot.
"Fjords, Farms, & Friends" (Book)
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks to all who have responded so favorably to our project. We are really looking forward to it. We had a number of thoughts, questions and concerns we hope to clarify early on. The book is a Non-profit venture. There is NO charge for the two pages. The book will be in color. There will be NO advertising. Each farm will have two pages, one for text and one for photo's. Farm name is okay. We hope to have as many farms represented as we can get from North America and some from overseas as well to show how the Fjord Horse is used in many venues and climates, working, playing or just as back yard pets! What-ever,. The cost of the book should be under $ 20. It will have a spiral binding so it will lay flat like a cook book. Each turn of the page will show a new farm. Send us your text and photo's on CD or attachment to E=mail or just send the originals. You can format your pages (camera ready) (print ready) or we can format it for you. What we thought would look nice is to have a large photo of your farm in the background with some text over the top with your family and Fjords in the foreground. You can show your equipment, carts, wagons, farm hitch etc. Use your imagination and think about how you want others to view your farm , family, and Fjords, Be creative and if you need help let us know. This a big project and it may take up to two years so give it some thought and what ever you come up with, we REALLY appreciate your support. "Happy Trails to you all" Ron & Sherrie
New Book being created
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy Friends, just a short note to let those in the Fjord community know that Sherrie & I are about to undertake a big project and we need your help. In the next year or so we intend to create a book of Fjord Farms, we are calling it "Fjords, Farms and Friends" It will contain, at each turn of a page, a farm with information and photos depicting the Fjord horse in many settings from across North America and some from overseas. The idea of the book has been on our minds for a few years now and we want to include as many farms as we can. The main focus of the book will be to inform and entertain you and not to be used as an advertising tool for any one farm. This is a non-profit undertaking and the cost of the finished book will be only enough to cover expenses. If you are interested in listing your farm in the book contact us for more information and we will be glad to include your farm. We will have farms of the past and we are now looking for old photos and text for this. The book may take up to two years to complete so there is no real hurry, we just want to do a good job with it and provide a book that can be handed down to your family members. Thank you for your time, Happy Trails, Ron & Sherrie Dayton, Sunwood Fjords & Carriage Co. [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 208-623-3600
Something to think about
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi everyone. For several years my husband has been thinking about this project and I thought I'd run it by all of you to see what the response, support would be. He thought it would be nice to put together a book showing as many Fjord Farms in North America, as well as farms in other places in the world as we could. The idea of the book is to show Fjord families and friends using and playing with their fjords, riding, driving, farming and whatever else that you do with your horses.The idea would be to bring the Fjord community closer by introducing each other and understanding how these horses have impacted our lives. This book is NOT an advertising tool for the individual farms that choose to participate but rather a way of getting to know each other better. We would also like to include information about some of the early breeders here in North America such as Gene Bauer who is no longer with us but have someone like Betsy send in pictures and a write up about her father and his farm, I'm just using Gene as an example because I know that there are others as well. It would be a two page format, one page for photo's and another page for a write up about the farm/ranch. The format is 8 ½ x 11 inches, each page turn would showcase a 2 page feature of each farm. The costs would be determined by what it costs to have this book put together, Sunwood Fjords does not intend to profit from this in any way, sales of this book could in the future be used as a fundraiser for PNFPG. Think about this and let me know if you're interested by e-mailing me privately, and if you have any questions please ask, Thanks for taking the time to read this, Sherrie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sale horses at Libby
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HI all, There will be horses at Libby that are for sale. Usually the pens of the horses are marked with For Sale signs, also check out the Ad board for information on sale horses and where there pens are then contact the owners personally. Hope this helps, Sherrie Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Libby show packets
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HI all, Those of you that received your show packets for the Libby show, please ignore the map of the grounds. The arena is being re-configured and that map is incorrect. When Shirley and I were there yesterday the work had already started, everything is being upgraded and should be really nice. We'll have a new map as soon as all the changes are in place. Also I had a senior moment when I sent out the packets and forgot to include a set of the show rules, they will be posted on the web-site later today if you need to down load a set, or e-mail me and I'll send you a set, we will also have them available at Libby for all the exhibitors. See ya at Libby, Sherrie Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Libby
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, The show packets for the Libby show will be at the post office in the morning. Any of you that are on the current PNFPG member list should receive a packet. If you're not sure if you're on our list please contact me. All the show information should be on the PNFPG website in a day or two. If you know of someone that needs a show packet please contact me. See some of you at Libby, Thanks, Sherrie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Professional Show Organizer
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good Morning List, I know for the PNFPG they don't have enough $$$ in the Treasury to pay a professional to take care of the show. It would also raise the fees a whole bunch. It is an interesting idea and we did talk about it one year. The lack of volunteers is the one sticking point of a National Show. I can only speak to Libby but I know we don't get anywhere enough volunteers at Libby. See some of ya in Leavenworth, Sherrie
Evaluations/Libby
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good morning List, Since there's so much discussion regarding Evaluations right now I'd like to ask a question, (actually there's a whole bunch of questions but I'm going to stick to just one) For the last couple of years we've talked at the show committee meetings for the Libby show about having an Evaluation in conjunction with the show. We haven't had an Evaluation since the first one several years. PNFPG is having their Fall meeting on the 11th of November, I'd like to know what kind of interest there is out there in regards to having an Evaluation next year at Libby. You don't need to commit now, just would you be interested in bringing horses or just auditing an Evaluation. E-mail me privately and I'll take it to the Fall meeting and pass it along to the membership. For those of you that have no idea what's involved in the Evaluation process visit the NFR website, the entire Evaluation process is there on the website. It explains the entire process, the score sheets are there so you know exactly how each of the different part are scored, all of the test patterns are there so you can practice, and if we start now we can have our horses ready by Libby next year. I downloaded and printed it and have been going through it little by little. There's a huge amount of information there. Its very educational if you don't have any idea whats involved in the process. It is important to prepare your horse and yourself. None of it looks to complicated, just is going to take practice. Let me know privately and I'll share the information with PNFPG. Thanks, Sherrie
Libby
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi All, We went to Libby yesterday with the weight sled. It rained the whole time, YIP!!! We say some large fire camps for the fire fighters but no other evidence of fires. We came from the west, so I can't say anything about east of Libby. We went over through the Bull Lake area and home by way of Troy/Bonners Ferry. The only road construction is just as you're entering Sandpoint, (I 95 heading north) just before the Long Bridge and the bridge in Libby that you have to cross to get to the show grounds. That bridge is one lane, very narrow. The horses doing the parade on Saturday will have to cross it. Single file. Especially for the wagons and carts. There's a cement barricade on one side and the bridge railings on the other side. The show grounds look good. The arena had been graded and lots of new sand brought in . Since there's still a level 5 restriction in place there will be no open fires or BBQ's on the show grounds. You can use your camp stoves but not your BBQ's. It looks like a good turnout. Those of you that are interested in a video of the show we'll let you know who to contact. See ya at Libby, Sherrie
Video Libby
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, In response to Ruthie's question about video from the Libby show, Sandra North is going to be video taping the show this year so we can put together a video to sell. Ron & I will be taking our first trip to Libby with the weight sled tomorrow and I'll be meeting with Carol Ann & Ed at the Show grounds. We're going to go over some of the restrictions that may be in place this year because of the fire danger. There will be some restrictions in regards to parking, fires, BBQ's, etc. I'll let all of you know what they are when I get home tomorrow night. As you all know Laurie Pittman won't be able to photograph the show for us this year. We have lined up a back up. Denise Hudlow from Troy, Mt. will be there. She's done the show for us in the past. Also, those of you coming, please remember to bring your items for the raffle. We have a few really nice items for the raffle this year. Marti has donated one of her stained glass pieces, it's beautiful, Laurie Pittman donated a lap quilt that she made, I took it to work and everyone wanted to buy raffle tickets for it. There's a lady in Stanwood Washington that wove a saddle blanket with Norwegian flags on it for us. I can't wait to see that. Plus lots of little things. Any of you that wants to donate something, please mail it to Dennis Johnson or have someone bring it to Libby. Anything is appreciated. All of you coming, please drive carefully and have a safe trip, I really look forward to seeing everyone each year. See ya next week, Sherrie
Libby Show
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, Ruthie Bushnell suggested I share some information for those of you thinking about coming to Libby but hadn't been able to find a room in Libby. Her suggestion was that you might find a room in Troy. Troy is only about 18 to 20 miles from Libby. Ruthie says that there are 2 motels in Troy. You might want to contact her personally for information . To my knowledge all the rooms in Libby are filled up. Most of the rooms in town fill up for Nordicfest anyway, but this year with all the firefighters in town there's nothing available. Anyone that is hauling horses or has a camper, tent or motor home can camp on the show grounds. There are no full hook ups but we do have hot showers now. They've added privacy curtains, hooks and mirrors this year. Its $5.00 per night to camp. I'm going to include 2 phone #'s that you can call for road conditions, the first is for the State of Montana Road Conditions, 800-226-7623, and the 2nd is for the Kootenai National Forest in Libby, they may have information on local road closures, 406-293-6211. At this time there are no road closures, that I know of. Road closures are going to change on an hourly basis. Most of the big fires are no where near Libby. A few years back we had fires burning right out side of Libby and it didn't have any effect on Nordicfest or the Horse show. As Patty Petersen said the other day, they do get smoke in town and then in the afternoon the breeze clears it out. For those of you coming to Libby, on Friday night Sunwood fjords will be hosting a pot luck, we'll have BBQ beef sandwiches. Stop by and visit us. Bring a dish of some kind. We'll also be doing something on Sunday morning like we did last year. All of you coming, have a safe trip and we'll see you in Libby, if you have any questions please contact me and I'll try and get an answer for you. Sherrie
Trailering
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, We purchased a security camera and monitor for our horse trailer so we always know whats going on in the trailer. With the sound on you can hear anything that's going on and if you put the monitor someplace in the cab of the truck you can take a quick look and check things out. We were returning from Libby one year with the trailer full (4 horse's) mom & baby were in the back section up against the back door. The mare was loose and backed up and was leaning against the back door. Ron kept seeing daylight around the back door via the monitor. We pulled over and tied up the mare so she couldn't lean on the back door anymore because the only thing that keeps the door closed is the latch and its only welded and occasionally welds break. We use the same camera and monitor in the barn when we have a mare thats getting close to foaling, it saves lots of nighttime trips to the barn. For the money its great peace of mind when we trailer and when we're waiting for a baby. They really aren't that expensive. See ya at Libby, Sherrie
Libby Show
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, Just a quick note, the Show Packets for Libby have been sent to all PNFPG members. If you're not a member and want a packet please e-mail me privately and I'll send you one. See ya at Libby, Sherrie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Libby/Pedigrees
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, I'd like to address some of the issues about Pedigree information in the Show Programs. I can only speak about the Libby show and PNFPG who are the sponsors of that show. Pedigrees in the program is not something the majority of the members of PNFPG have asked for. In order for it to be added it would need to be taken to either the Spring or Fall meeting, discussions of the pros and cons and then a majority vote by the membership. I did a quick survey of people that I know in the horse business who raise, train, show & breed other breeds of horses, namely Arabians, Quarter Horses & Appaloosas. Pedigree's are not announced nor or they put into their programs, I was told that it isn't even done at Scottsdale. The only classes that it was done for were the Futurity classes. It was for reasons of costs, and not having the time. I'm relying on their information. I've been going to Libby for 10 years now and in that time I've never had anyone mention that they were disappointed that pedigree information wasn't in the programs. They have said that it would be nice if we could provide an exhibitor list and we are going to add that this year. The number will be assigned to the horse this year and not to the rider so it should be a little easier to identify a particular horse throughout the show. On the Ad board is a complete lay out of the pens with the Farm name or owners name assigned to the pens. We have at times passed out a survey form to our exhibitors and to our audience and there again pedigree information was not something that was asked for. Please understand, I'm not calling Carol or anyone else a liar, it's just not something that I've heard anyone express any interest in. Now to costs, no matter what format you put it in it will cost something. The past 3 years we've lost money on the programs. Last year it was almost 400.00. I don't have the figures for the other 2 years but that's what our Treasures told me. Who picks up those extra costs. Libby normally has between 60 and 100 horses at the show. Those of you that are organizers of the other shows know that the profit margin is very small on these shows and a couple of hundred dollars one way or the other can literally make or break any kind of profit. We have always encouraged people to put up pedigree information on their pens, if they choose not to we have to respect that. You can't mandate it, this being a Democratic society. There are times when you may not want pedigree information out there for all the world to see. Follow along with me for a minute. You as a breeder put together your mares with the best stallions you can find, and you produce a baby with great bloodlines and wonderful genetic potential and your give that baby the best start in the world. We all know that the least expensive way to get into the Fjord world is by buying a weanling. So you sell your well started weanling with the great bloodlines, and maybe because of lack of knowledge or plane old neglect that baby grows stunted, mal-nourished, shabby coat, and the new owner has also bought into some of the myths that surround this horse, like "all Fjords are born broke" and never gets it the proper training. So he decides to take the horse to Libby, or one of the other shows and fills out the paperwork, including the pedigree information. So they go to the show with this SHINING EXAMPLE OF YOUR BREEDNIG PROGRAM, the horse has never been to a show in its life, is scared out of its mind, doesn't behave well, and really looks awful, but everyone in the stands has a program with the pedigree information in it. Even if the Judge excuses the horse the damage has been done. Everyone there will know that YOU were the original breeder of that horse and it has YOUR STALLIONS AND/OR MARES BLOODLINES IN IT, and there's nothing you can do to stop it because YOU DON'T OWN that horse any more. Everyone that was there that day and witnessed it will FOREVER remember THAT SHINING EXAMPLE OF YOUR BREEDING PROGRAM. If they are first time people to the show and maybe thinking of buying their first Fjord they are not going to understand that what they're looking at is 2 or 3 years of mal-nourishment or neglect. In a perfect world it wouldn't happen, but it does. You need to think this through very carefully. Remember the old adage; "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it" There's a whole lot more to this question then who runs to Kinko's in the middle of the night, I loved Catherine's description of that. Don't assume that's its all going to be good and only showcase all the best of your breeding programs and bloodlines. There are down sides to this issue also. Thanks for taking the time to read this, Respectfully, Sherrie
Another Virus alert
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, For those of you that don't know, I work for GTE, today we received an alert that there is a new extremely deadly virus going around. It's transmitted via e-mail with "I LOVE YOU" in the subject line. DON'T OPEN ANY E-MAIL THAT SAYS ANYTHING IN THE SUBJECT LINE ABOUT I LOVE YOU. GTE is installing new virus protection software tonight to combat it. I don't think this one is a hoax. See ya all later, Sherrie Dayton
Finish
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Now to finish what I was working on when my computer accidentally sent my unfinished e-mail last night. The Libby show will never be an ultra high polished by the book show. The Libby organizers made that decision a long time ago. Will we always strive to improve, yes, we have along the way. Both Jim Havelhurst & Wayne Hipsley have said, "Don't change Libby" they enjoy it just the way it is. For those of you that saw Pamela's post about her helmet, yes she will be allowed to show with her helmet and I will instruct the Judge not to knock her down on points even though it may not be "Proper" by some rule books. Its a bigger issue then rules. Will we strive to provide a safe show, yes. Is it going to be perfect, NO. I'm one of those people that goes to other breed shows just because I love horses, I always make it a point to walk around and look around behind the scenes. You know what I see, I see horses trained and polished until they sparkle, I see girls with gorgeous outfits, beautifully put together, but you know what I DON'T see? Any SMILES, no one seems to be having any fun. If you watch the competitors at Libby before a class they're talking and smiling and laughing and visiting with one another. Even those like Gayle & Anne that compete at a very high level. I'd like to share my very first experience at Libby, we had just bought a nice mare from Ron & Robin Pearson, we got her about a week before Libby and on a whim we decided to show her at Halter. I'd never shown at halter so I didn't have a clue what to do. Nancy Lehnert was the next person in line behind me, she could see that I needed a little guidance, she very quietly and graciously walked me through that class, she explained exactly what I needed to do without making me feel stupid, she didn't talk down to me but shared with me the knowledge that she had gained from her years of showing. If it had been an "Ultra Professional" by the book show she'd have probably let me hang myself. I've always remembered that. I want everyone that comes to Libby to come away with that same feeling. Are we occasionally going to have horses there that maybe aren't in tip-top condition, probably, but they usually only come once, do we have inexperienced handlers, yes, how else are they to get experience. And occasionally we will have people that aren't dressed by the book. Maybe you should think of Libby as a Training Level show. The first posting that went out was my husbands, and he had tried to e-mail Carol directly, but instead it went out to the world. We've all made that mistake. Am I excusing him, no. He's entitled to his opinion the same as all of the rest of us. Carol & I and a whole lot of the Libby group will probably never agree on what the Libby show should be, but that's OK, we all have one area of common ground, and that is WE ALL LOVE THIS BREED. Restectfully, Sherrie Dayton
OOPs
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please pardon my unfinished posting, I've been having modem/e-mail problems and my system sent the post in the middle of me working on it. Thanks, Sherrie
Libby/BDF
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is to address some of the points that Carol brought up in her last post. You say that you don't criticize the Libby Show but you always manage in all of your e-mails either public or in private to focus in on some negative. As I said in my prior post, I DON'T RECALL ANYONE IN SHORTS, WORK BOOTS AND A DIRTY T-SHIRT in any of the classes and neither does anyone else that I talked to. As to the driver whipping the horse I don't recall that either but that's now the picture that everyone has. As to "inviting dangerous situations", by allowing in-experienced people to show their horses, how are they to get any experience if we don't allow them to show somewhere? We have an excellent safety record at the show. We have never had an accident in the arena at the Libby show. As to the "Rickety Antique vehicle", it was a genuine Antique, the horse was trained, the harness safe and the driver had spent a lot of time working with his horses, the gentleman in question takes excellent care of his animals but you've now painted him as unsafe and out of control and not taking proper care of his animals . It's just not true! As to your "Instructions to the Judge". We give ALL of those instructions to our judges every year. We tell them that they have absolute authority in the arena. If they see any kind of abuse, anyone out of control, horse or person, unsafe tack, harness, vehicle, whatever they are to be excused from the arena. We want SAFETY. We want a safe environment for the horses and the exhibitors. Since the Judge is an expert and has authority in the Arena and he or she doesn't excuse people from the class, maybe its a matter of perception. Maybe the Judge didn't think the vehicle was unsafe, maybe the Judge didn't think the horse was being abused, or that we were improperly dressed. I'll bet you that fully 95 to 98% of the people at Libby dress in nice jeans, western shirts, cowboy hats & boots, which here in the west is quite acceptable. When they're not showing they probably have on a tee shirt if its hot, but they don't show that way. Am I now supposed to police the Judge and tell them when they need to excuse someone from the arena? I have to trust in their judgement and expertise and if they don't excuse people I have to assume that it's OK. I could just see me trying to tell Wayne Hipsley or Jim Havelhurst how to do their job. That would be a hoot! As to proper Appointments & dress, what's proper to one may not be proper to someone else. As I said before, we are not an ADS sanctioned show and we are not an AHSA show. We have always accepted western wear (jeans) as proper. If the Judge & ring steward don't excuse people for improper dress or appointments who's supposed to do it? There again, I have to rely on they're judgment. As to Pedigree information in the program, we will be adding pedigree info for the Get of Sire and Produce of Dam classes. Beyond that, we (the show committee) felt going further then that shifted too much emphasis from the horse and the horseshow and put it on the breeder, bloodline, pedigree. In other words, turned it from a horse show to a breeder forum. You are the only person that I know of that's ever indicated that it needed to be in the program. I have never heard anyone else ask for it or express disappointment that it wasn't in the program. You spoke at great length in your first e-mail to me, which I thought I'd answered, if not I apologize, about EDUCATION. Education is more then bloodlines, pedigrees and breeders. Its also about showcasing the versatility of this breed, its making people aware that this breed can do anything its trained for. Its doing away with the myths about this breed, like "All Fjords are Bomb proof", or "Fjords don't need to be trained" or "Fjords don't buck" (my personal favorite), or "It's just a draft horse". Education comes in all forms not just pedigrees and breeders.
Libby/Dress Requirements
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, I had put off addressing the dress requirements uproar until after the Spring PNFPG meeting. Julie Will stated it very well, the booklet from the NFHR "are guidelines only" each show sets its own rules. The discussion seems to be directed towards the Western classes more then the English classes. As far as the Libby show is concerned, acceptable clothing in Western classes will be: 1. Clean good jeans of whatever color you want. No rips, tears etc. 2. Western style shirt 3. Cowboy boots, either with the cowboy heel or roper style. 4. Cowboy hat. 5. Western Saddle, and yes even Western style Aussie saddles are acceptable. If you want to go beyond that, go for it! Carol's right about some of the girls at Libby in their beautifully put together outfits, they do add something to the show. However, they didn't always look as good as they do today. They learned, and evolved and became what they are today because the Libby show provided them with a place for them to come and show where they felt safe because it wasn't "ultra Professional", they could learn in a safe nurturing environment, where you weren't judged by what you were wearing but how well you rode. For those of you that think Libby is a backwoods show I'd like to share something with you. Most of you have not seen the show evolve over the 14 years it's been in existence. I've been on the Show committee for the last 10 years. The show has changed and evolved and become more professional. For those of you that don't believe me, ask Jim Havelhurst or Wayne Hipsley, they've both said that each time they come back they see a higher level of professionalism in our competitors and our horses. Both of these men are world class judges so they should know. Each year we fight to keep a balance of providing a place for the first time competitor and the competitors that show a lot. I'd venture a guess that probably half of the people that come to Libby only show at Libby. If you watch most of them year after year they do get more polished and professional. In other words, they learn from watching. Some of the grooming things are lack of knowledge and practice. And yes occasionally there are horses that do look like they could use some weight on them. There again, in some cases its a lack of knowledge, a lot of Fjords do get sold to first time horse owners that don't know feeding, worming etc. But they learn from seeing the other horses. I know I learn something every year. As to some of the other points that Carol brought up, I don't remember anyone in shorts. As to the rickety buggy, it is a genuine antique doctors buggy. It was in good repair and safe. Is it an ADS approved competition vehicle, no, was it safe yes. We are not a sanctioned ADS show. For that matter one year we did have a vehicle loose a wheel in the arena, it just happened to be an approved ADS style competition cart, the weld broke and the wheel fell off. Go figure. I could go on & on but I need to finish getting ready for work. The bottom line is Libby will always try and strike a balance between having a Professional show and providing a place where the first time horse owner can come and watch and compete and learn, and feel safe and nurtured . I don't want people to make the decision not to come because they don't have the "Proper Cloths" this show isn't about cloths, its about the horses and the people that own them. PNFPG and its members are the nicest bunch of people you could ever ask for. Its wonderful to come to Libby and visit with "friends" that I only get to visit with at that show. It's warm and welcoming and I hope everyone feels that way. Now I'm going to put on my "flame suit". The prior posting was my husbands, he tends to shoot from the hip, I don't. For those of you that are offended by our show maybe you should consider not coming or go to one of the other more PROFESSIONAL SHOWS. I hope this clears up some of the confusion/concerns about the dress at Libby. If you have any other questions please check your show packets when you get them or write me or call me. Thanks for taking the time to listen and read, Sherrie Dayton, Chair, Libby 2000
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #127
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> this message is for BDF. If all you can do is critisize the Libby Show, why don't you just stay home. We are and continue to be the largest Fjord Show in the U.S. and for 14 years now we have done rather well with out your input. Do us all a favor and try to clean up your own act befor trying to change ours.
re: Libby
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Patty Petersen is absolutely right, Nordicfest and Libby have always bent over backwards to accommodate the Fjord Horse people. Dennis & Marge Johnson, Shirley Anderson & I met with the Libby Nordicfest President, The Libby Chamber of Commerce and Lincoln county parks & rec. in March of this year to talk about what we needed to do for each other. It was a very productive, positive meeting. We are all aware that we need each other. They want us as part of their celebration and I personally feel that we wouldn't have as big a show with out Nordicfest. I think Patty made another good point too about the media, the entire problem has probably been blown out of proportion. Its just like "the Aryans" in North Idaho, everyone in the country thinks we're all a bunch of Nazi sympathizers and skin heads because that's all that's ever printed or put on TV in the news. Mike & Jean are right about the bigger draft horse people not liking Fjords because we have beat them in the weight pulls, what happens is the winner of the light weight division can move up to the middle weight division and the winner of the middle weight can move up to the heavy weight division. I saw Martin Fraker one year pulling in the heavy weight division because he'd won the Light weight & Middle weight divisions, I think he finally pulled his team when he reached about 4th place in the heavy weight division and the crowd gave him a standing ovation. The crowd really was into rooting for "the little guys" and I think that's what sealed our fate with the Sandpoint Drafthorse people. As we all know the Fjords do draw a crowd wherever they are. After that we're not allowed to compete, what they've done is put weight restrictions on their definitions of what is considered a "Draft horse. I don't know of a Fjord that weighs enough to meet the criteria. As to using other parts of the grounds during the Draft horse show, that's out of the question, the entire fair/show grounds are used for the Draft horse show, the barns are full of horses, plus lots of portable pens, there are several buildings full of either vendors or stuff for the auction on Monday. Its a huge 4 day show. They auction horses, wagons, sleighs, harness, farm equipment, a lot of it is inside some of the smaller barns and the wagons, equipment etc are spread out for display in various locations around the grounds. We've been trying to get back into the show for several years but the Drafthorse show committee won't budge. As far as they're concerned, Fjords are not a Draft horse. We've even asked if we could just do something like have the Fjords bring the Judges into the arena or pull the shuttle out in the parking lot, but the answer is always no. You can bring Fjords to be auctioned, but thats all. Sorry this a bit long, Sherrie Dayton
Libby
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, This is in response to Jean's question about moving the Fjord horse show from Libby to Sandpoint. Sandpoint does have a very nice facility that we could use, I'm not sure about the costs. The Nordicfest in Libby started 2 years before we started the Fjord Horse show. One advantage of having our show in conjunction with Nordicfest is that Nordicfest draws people to the horseshow and vis a versa. Moving the show from Libby would have a detrimental effect on Nordicfest. There are a lot of people in town that weekend for the Nordicfest celebration, which draws people to our show. Sandpoint doesn't have a celebration that we could do our show in conjunction with. Also Sandpoint hosts the International Draft horse show about a month after our show, I'm not sure 2 large horseshows so close together would draw enough people to the Fjord horse show and the Draft horse people won't let Fjords compete at the Draft horse showshow. You would probably need to make it earlier in the year so there would be more time between the 2 shows. The Draft horse show draws a lot of people to Sandpoint. I think the Blue Earth show is in conjunction with the fair which draws people to the show, I'm not sure about the Woodstock show. The idea of a National show is interesting, I guess my concern is that it might have a detrimental effect on the regional shows. What do those of you that compete at Libby, Blue Earth & Woodstock think? I guess I'm a little protective of the Libby show since I've been affiliated with it for a number of years. It would probably have to start really small and grow the way Libby and the others did. My gut feeling is that we'd need some kind of Celebration, like Nordicfest to help draw an audiance to the show. Like I said, It's an interesting idea, Sherrie Dayton, Show-Chair, Libby 2000
Flyers for the Libby Show
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, Could any of you that want Flyers for the Libby show e-mail us privately. We don't always read all the way through the digest and might miss someone that wanted one. Our e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you'll include your regular mailing address we'll send them out to you, any of you that are going to the Spring PNFPG meeting in Spokane can pick them up there. Thanks for all of your help in advertising the Show, hope to see and meet some of you at Libby this year, be sure and stop by and say hi. Sherrie Dayton
cross breeding
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To all you cross breeders out there, I say ENOUGH ALREADY! Do you really know what you are talking about? We have been blessed with this magnificent animal and the very idea of breeding to anything but a pure bred Fjord should be completely out of the question for any responsible individual! This is a free country and you are free to do as you please but just keep in mind that economically your choice to cross breed is a poor one and if you are ever looking forward to entering into any of the Fjord shows in the U.S. you will need to show papers and you will be ousted from them on the spot. If you love the Fjord horse so much or claim to, why in the world would you want to mess it up! No need to respond to this post. I will never change my mind and instead of all this talk about cross breeding, why not try to improve what we have by doing some selective breeding within the pure breeds to refine and polish this wonderful breed we love. "Happy Trails" RD
Cross breeding
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is to address the issue of crossbreeding that Anna raised. Crossbred Fjords are not an improvement to either breed that they're crossed with. I've seen Fjords crossed to Arabians, what you ended up with was a horse with a beautiful Arab type head, the Fjord neck & shoulders, large through the body on little tiny fine boned Arab legs, not an improvement for either breed. The Quarterhorse/Fjord cross produced a horse with the Fjord neck and heavier front end of the Fjord and lost all that lightning quickness of the Quarterhorse. Quarterhorses tend to have pretty good bone so there again, no improvement to either one. Fjords crossed to Welsh pony's don't improve either breed. We have friends that raise Welsh's and they're gorgeous all on their own, crossed to a Fjord they loose some of the refinement and action that the Welsh usually has as a purebred. In all cases of crossbeeding Fjords the one thing that doesn't get passed on to the other breed is the Fjord disposition. I have not seen a Fjord cross that created a "better horse" no matter what it was crossed with. The Fjord breed ends up getting a bad rap for a bad dispositioned horse that looks like a Fjord and tends to get passed off as "A Fjord" , not a part Fjord. Bottom line, crossing a Fjord to another doesn't improve either one. Sherrie Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Libby Show 2000
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is for all you Fjord lovers out there. We (thePNFPG ad committee) have just completed the Show Flyer for 2000. This, along with a swell article by Ursula Jensen, will go out to web sites and many publications. We are doing some aggressive advertising this year and hope to draw in a big crowd this year. We still need items for the raffle. (donations) Your business will be announced as a donator at the show as the articles are raffled off. (Good advertising for your farm !) If anyone would like a flyer or two for posting in your area (feed stores, tack shops, etc.) let me know and I will send you some copies. On behalf of the members of the ad committee, I want to thank all the good folks who have been so supportive of the Libby Show and have worked so hard to make it a success. " Happy Trails "RD
Questions/comments
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, I have several questions/comments in regards to some of the posts in the last week or so. Kathy Rollins posting about the run-away at Libby 2 years ago was a very good description of what happened. It would have been a disaster to "just let them run". Something else that was left out of the first post was that one of the 2 horses that were hitched together was blind in one eye and that fact was not disclosed to Howard until after the accident. It took Lois Berge several weeks to mend. Lauren Sellers was "Right On" in her posting and comments, there are a lot of wonderful Fjord horses out there that never see a show ring. That dosn't make them any less a horse then the ones that are out there being showed and evaluated. It is expensive to show and very time consuming, and it can really get pricey when you come down from Canada. I've always been very grateful to our Canadian participants that come to the Libby show. They really make the show, especially when you figure what it costs them to come. Her point on the BOD's is also right on. These are all volunteer positions and these people all have very busy lives and don't have the time to read every little posting on the digest. I think its very unfair to "chew" on them in any way shape or form. As to the "Dutch Keuring" being done here in the U.S. I personnaly feel its a huge slap in the face to our American Evaluation Committee/Team and to our Registry. We need to support the Evaluation system that our Registry has put together for our horses here in the U.S. The Evaluation Committee has spent a lot of time and work on putting together an Evaluation system here in the US based on how we use and breed our horses here while maintaining the Purity and Integrity of these horses. We still need to learn from the Norwegians and Dutch systems but feel we should honor the system that has been devised for our horses here in this country.Just my opinion. Finally, is there anyone from the North Idaho/Spokane/Libby area going to the Expo in Albany? Maybe we could ride together, share a room. I still need to see if I can get the time off work, but it might be fun to go. Talk to ya all soon, Sherrie Dayton
Cross Breeding
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, I'd like to add my 2 cents worth to the discussion on breeding Fjords with other breeds. The basic rules of the Registry on not allowing cross breeding is to protect and preserve the breed in this country. I know that there have been some very good breeds created from breeding two different breeds together, the Quarter Horse come to mind. For those of you that have never seen a Fjord cross the strongest thing that stands out in the cross is the basic Fjord look. The neck, shoulders, general build, even the mane, lighter or white on the outside with the dark down the center. Depending on what it was crossed with it can look like a Pure Bred Fjord to a none Fjord person. There are a lot of cross bred Fjords in this area, I've seen Fjords crossed with Shetlands, Welch's, Quarter horses, Arabians, Percherons, and a mix of Hackney and POA. The one thing that doesn't seem to cross well is that special Fjord disposition. What you end up with is a horse that looks like a Fjord but doesn't behave like one and that's where the problem lies. Because Fjords are still rare in this country and the world for that matter, they're somewhat of a "status" thing. People that own cross bred Fjords are not honest up front about the fact that its only part Fjord. If you approach them and ask "Is that a Fjord? ", the answer is always YES, its only after talking with them for a while that they tell you that its only part Fjord. When they enter it in open Horse shows they enter it as a Fjord, then when it behaves in a less then Fjord manner it gives all Fjords a bad image because the general public thinks that's the way all Fjords behave. In other words it hurts all of us and the breed. It makes all Fjords look bad We all fell in love with this breed because it was different, it was special, most of us have had other breeds before we came to know Fjords, if we cross this breed with other breeds what we end up with is any old grade horse, and there are a lot of good grade horses out there for a lot less money then what it cost's for a Fjord. Over time the Norwegians created and perfected this breed that we all love, why would we want to try and create something else and run the risk of destroying what makes this breed special. The gene pool for Fjords is very small world wide, it wouldn't take a lot of outside blood in the gene pool to destroy what is has taken so long to create. Just my opinion, don't be hard on me, I just love this breed the way it is and don't want to see it hurt. Sherrie
Horse Person of the century
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Roy Rogers (my choice)..Happy Trails!
Advertising the Fjord
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is for all you Fjord Horse Lovers, Owners, Breeders, etc. >From the 2000 Libby ad committee. We are still looking for a nice action photo for the Libby Show in Sept. If you have one you may like to submit, E-mail it to us or send it in for consideration. The photo should have some good contrast for black and white copy work and a nice background. It can have people, wagon, cart, sadle, or just plain horse. Something that will catch your eye. We will return all photos. We have a meeting at Dennis's house on the 22 of Jan. at 7pm. If you have any questions, give us a call or E-mail us ahead of time and we will bring your comments to the meeting. We would like the entire Libby Show to reflect the wishes and ideas of the entire PNFPG so your input is encouraged. Thank you. We also plan to run a big ad for the Libby Show in the July issue of the Horse Previews Magazine so that would be a good time to get your farm out there with many others for this special issue. We were not able to get the Breed issue like we did in 1998 because of the waiting list. We are on the list but they rotate it so all the horse organizations get a chance. We also need photo's for that layout so send in plenty! We will run an ad in the Herald and the Newsletter about the Horse Preview issue. You will need to contact the magazine and handle your ad on your own with the editor, but they will group them together as they have in the past. We may even get a price break on the ads, not sure yet. Don't procrastinate! get this done early! Thanks again. We are still collecting items for the raffle, Again, thank you in advance for all your support. This is what keeps the Libby Show such a wonderful event, we have so much participation from the membership.. Believe me from all of us at Libby, we appreciate the efforts of you all for making and keeping the Show moving ahead. If you have any ideas or input for this years show and some comments about the past shows, let us know. That way we can keep improving the show. .Happy Trails.Ron& Sherrie
Horse or person of the Century
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What Brian said is perfect!! Sherrie
Upgrading our equepment
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is for anyone looking for a nice "Big" Horse trailer, It's a 1996 Logan Competitor plus, four horse slant load with living quarters (not finished inside) many extras. 30 foot overall goose neck new condition. We are looking for an other model so we can rear load our team and side load the equipment. For price and other information, contact us on our E-Mail site at [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Happy Trails" RD
Question about this site
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Is it possible when the headings for the site come up to highlite one and go directly to it. Real it, then go on without having to scroll through all the sheep stuff (this is a fjord site Du!) With all the high tec stuff out there now you would think this could be done! We do enjoy the site and some of the info is great.
Libby 2000 Raffle
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, This is in response to Ruthie Bushnell's questions about raffling off a Fjord colt. There were several reasons that we discontinued raffling a colt. First the membership of the PNFPG is spread out accross the US and Canada, getting the tickets and the money to Libby in time for the drawing was very difficult, in some cases there were tickets & $ that never made it to Libby. Another problem was the feelings from some of the membership that we had no control of where that baby went, was it going to a good home, were the people knowledgeable about the care of a young horse etc. One of the babies developed an upper respiratory infection, luckily the people that won him were very good horse people and could nurse it, which they did for most of the first winter. The purchase price paid by PNFPG to the breeder for the colt was to include the gelding of the colt, but when it came time to geld it the breeder said no that that was not part of the purchase price. My own personal problem with selling tickets for the colt were that as an adult you understand that you're chances of winning are slim to none, but kids will spend all of their allowance, birthday $ etc. believing in their hearts that they're going to win that "pony". Gayle Ware can tell you about all the crying little kids in Libby that didn't win. It broke my heart. The last one we raffled the lady that won was a non-horse person, had no desire for the horse, but took the colt instead of the 2,000 cash that was offered, and promptly sold it on the spot for 2,500. which left a very bad taste in ereryone's mouth. All in all it was not a good experience, we did raise money toward the show expenses but not as much as you might think, the raffle we do now is far more effective and far less stressful. Most of the items are donated and brought to Libby by the participants. The raffle tickets are sold on the spot, all we ask is that our membership each donate something, a lot do, some don't, its their choice. I hope this answers the questions, if you have any other questions about the raffle or the Libby show, please e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Happy New Year everyone, Sherrie Dayton, Libby Show Chairman
