Re: [geronimo] Core Service Framework (Was: RE: Names Projects)
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 04:10 pm, J Aaron Farr wrote: -Original Message- From: Aaron Mulder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:21 PM On the project front, am I correct that the goal is to integrate other projects wherever possible and only build when strictly necessary? If there is going to be building going on, I assume there will be separate areas for the core server and interfaces and the various imported projects or built subprojects? The 'core server and interfaces' is what I am interested in. There are several open source projects which provide frameworks on which Geronimo could be built, for example Avalon. A (incomplete) list of such projects is on the Avalon wiki site at: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?AvalonRelatedProjects Have any plans already been made? To be certified Geronimo needs to fully support JMX. So the current plan is to follow the Tomcat 5 JBoss ideas to use MBeans to register wire the services together. Whatever component model or libraries a particular service wishes to use is up to it I suppose, it shouldn't really affect the core container. James --- http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: Invitation to participate in Apache J2EE efforts
Return Receipt Your FW: Invitation to participate in Apache J2EE efforts document : was Stephan Hesmer/Germany/IBM received by: at: 06/08/2003 09:27:47 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Volunteers - Topics
Yes... but some people... like me want to know who is involved in what topic to avoid work in the same topic nothing more Right. :-) All that I said was that the place for discussing the J2EE subprojects is still on the geronimo-dev list. The idea in his e-mail made sense, but the target audience is on the other list. :-) --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where should the maven-generated website go?
Hi, James Strachan wrote: I'd have thought a simple file backup of such things would do? If the backup gets trashed, the site would eventually be updated by a quick ping to the PMCs. Not only would a file backup do but it is surely an essential safeguard against certain risks. May as well re-use it where you can and ensure it is reliable. Jim Wright Lurker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Names Projects
Geronimo was the nickname given to Goyathlay of the Bedonkohe Apache by the Mexican government in the late 1800s. It's spanish for Jerome. The man was a celebrity in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, even rode in Teddy Roosevelt's inaugural parade. He's probably not the best representative of his time or his people (his charm is completely lost on me--I grew up in Osceola, WI) and as far as names go, it could be a lot worse. There's a company here in Minneapolis, for example, named Infinetivity. I'd hate to have to design that logo : ) I'm sure once upon a time people were wary of running their sites on 'a patchy server' as well. Cheers, -- N. Alex Rupp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: Aaron Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: Re: Names Projects On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Sean Hamblett wrote: Isn't Geronimo something you yell when you jump out of a plane? As I said, Geronimo isn't too bad, though it may be tricky to get the boss to bet the farm on it. Though I've never jumped out of a plane before, so I really wouldn't know. :) Aaron P.S.: http://www.desertusa.com/ind1/geronimo.html http://www.desertusa.com/web_cart/db/pages/3005.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And what of Tomcat?
Any background on how this Apache Geronimo project will relate/compete with the Tomcat project? John DiMarco Chief Technology Officer CEDAR Document Technologies http://www.cedardoc.com/ www.cedardoc.com
RE: To those interested in helping out
Please put me into the list. By subscribing to [EMAIL PROTECTED], you put yourself on the list. The project's mailing list is the primary roster and means of communication. To subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/geronimo.html http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheJ2EE The most important first step for anyone interested is to subscribe to the new project mailing list. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A link to the proposal... (was Re: Project involvement)
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 10:10 am, Bill de hÓra wrote: Erik Abele wrote: [snipped good suggestions] I'd just add one thing to this. Perhaps it would be good to upload the original proposal that I think (?) Paul Hammant forwarded here - I'd rather linkto/read it from the Apache domain than somewhere like TSS, and it might help clarify matters, Its already been posted to this (and many other) mail lists. Here's an archive of it for anyone who's interested and missed it... http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-generalm=106010208218266w=2 We hope today/tomorrow to have a full website up with the proposal and more information on getting involved etc. James --- http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: To those interested in helping out
Please count me in. -Original Message- From: N. Alex Rupp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 2:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:To those interested in helping out To Henrikh, Rafael, Oreste, Arjun and everyone else who's interested in helping with Geronimo, First, thank you. We're all excited about the number of people willing to help with the project. With this kind of grassroots support and enthusiasm, the future looks very good. As soon as we can we'll compile a list of the people who've expressed interest in helping out and get back to each of you with more information. It might take a few days, but we'll get there. Best regards, -- N. Alex Rupp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: Henrikh Karpynskyi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:38 PM Subject: Apache Geronimo Project Hello My name is Henrikh Karpynskyi I am Sr Software Engineer (REI Systems) with 6+ years of expirience. Java - 4yrs, J2EE - 3 yrs I have expirience also with RMI ,CORBA and WebServices and would be very intrested in participating in Apache J2EE project. I could spend for this project at least 2-3 hours a day. Let me know if you need detailed resume or something like that. Thank you Henry __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DISCLAIMER: This message (including attachment if any) is confidential and may be privileged. Before opening attachments please check them for viruses and defects. MindTree Consulting Private Limited (MindTree) will not be responsible for any viruses or defects or any forwarded attachments emanating either from within MindTree or outside. If you have received this message by mistake please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message from your system. Any unauthorized use or dissemination of this message in whole or in part is strictly prohibited. Please note that e-mails are susceptible to change and MindTree shall not be liable for any improper, untimely or incomplete transmission. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Project involvement
Tetsuya P.S. Also, I think this page http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html is better to be slightly changed. XMLBeans: http://xml.apache.org/xmlbeans/ ;-) Done. -ph -- http://www.thoughtworks.com - The art of heavy lifting. Home for many Agile practicing, Open Source activists... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Contribute to Geronimo
Hi All, I am interested in contributing to Geronimo (J2EE) project. We are at http://www.acelet.com providing Super - a suite of J2EE tools, including SuperEnvironment, SuperLogging, SuperPeekPoke, SuperScheduler and SuperStress, supporting JOnAS, Weblogic, Websphere and jboss. If you google for j2ee logging, j2ee scheduler, j2ee tools and alike, you will find Acelet is at the top of the results. I would like to lead and write a rich GUI (Swing) management tool (console) for Geronimo, to start with. I will contribute source code and provide support (through email). I am the owner of Acelet. I would like to know what are the differences between company contributor and individual contributor. Please tell me. Regards, Wei Jiang __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Participation
I am interested in participating in Geronimo. Justin Reed - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Geronimo: Sounds like some plans have already been made...
James/Geir need to create a PROPOSAL.html or some such. To do this, they need CVS. To get CVS, they need to get around the -1 on the name from Roy, or just ignore him. What are the incubator rules on -1's in this case? Is Roy's -1 binding? Once the PROPOSAL.html is written, it and STATUS.html should contain the information you're asking for. Hen On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Gareth Bryan wrote: I'll try to resist posting my opinions regarding naming, after all - its a little academic considering the number of code lines the project currently has ;) I've been reading all the geronimo related posts to this list over the past 24 hours and it's becoming clear that some level of planning has already taken place regarding architecture (as I would expect ;)). For those of us not in the know / new to ASF etc: Could someone from the board post a message detailing what plans / discussions have already been made? Thanks, -- Gareth Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: To those interested in helping out
Please put me into the list. I have 4 years of J2EE and Java experience. Also I am a Sun certified enterprise architect and Java developer (SCEA and SCJD). Best Regards Song Fu N. Alex Rupp wrote: To Henrikh, Rafael, Oreste, Arjun and everyone else who's interested in helping with Geronimo, First, thank you. We're all excited about the number of people willing to help with the project. With this kind of grassroots support and enthusiasm, the future looks very good. As soon as we can we'll compile a list of the people who've expressed interest in helping out and get back to each of you with more information. It might take a few days, but we'll get there. Best regards, -- N. Alex Rupp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: Henrikh Karpynskyi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:38 PM Subject: Apache Geronimo Project Hello My name is Henrikh Karpynskyi I am Sr Software Engineer (REI Systems) with 6+ years of expirience. Java - 4yrs, J2EE - 3 yrs I have expirience also with RMI ,CORBA and WebServices and would be very intrested in participating in Apache J2EE project. I could spend for this project at least 2-3 hours a day. Let me know if you need detailed resume or something like that. Thank you Henry __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wishing to Join Apache Geronimo Project.
Hi, I would like to get involved in the Apache Geronimo project as a developer.Please send me more details about this project. Thanks, Jagadhi. _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Integrating other open source (Re: Geronimo)
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 02:23 am, Tim Anderson wrote: Will Geronimo integrate existing OS, or is it intended to have a standalone codebase? It will be integrating existing OS which is license-compatible with Apache. So I think anything which has a normal BSD / ASF style licence should be fine (mx4j, openjms, tyrex etc). James --- http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [geronimo] Core Service Framework (Was: RE: Names Projects)
Maybe a quicker answer to this thread is - the core Geronimo container is an EJB / MDB container which supports pluggable services via JMX. Thats quite different to the scope of Avalon. (Can you tell I've given up caffeine recently - my brains still a bit fuzzy today :) On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 05:39 pm, James Strachan wrote: On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 05:18 pm, J Aaron Farr wrote: Quoting James Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 04:34 pm, J Aaron Farr wrote: Quoting James Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To be certified Geronimo needs to fully support JMX. So the current plan is to follow the Tomcat 5 JBoss ideas to use MBeans to register wire the services together. Whatever component model or libraries a particular service wishes to use is up to it I suppose, it shouldn't really affect the core container. So geronimo will be built on top of Tomcat 5? Not quite - it'll use JMX JNDI to bind services into the core container (J2EE certified remember). Tomcat 4/5 will be one of those services that plugs into Geronimo along with things like Jetty, tyrex, openjms etc. so the core container will be code developed from scratch within geronimo? or will it just an mbean server from mx4j? The core container has already been developed - we should be able to put it somewhere (CVS / web) soon I hope. Then hopefully things will be a bit more clear. A J2EE container is a little different from an Avalon container. Avalon is a generic service/component framework. The core Geronimo container is an optimised J2EE container developed from a great deal of experience and use of JBoss, OpenEJB mx4j. Its particularly geared towards EJB MDBs. Its not unlike saying, why have 2 web application frameworks (ducks the usual JSP v Velocity v JSF v Tapestry kinds of debates). Whilst in the same general ballpark they have quite different motivations use cases which leads to different code bases if you want to do them well. Like most things the devils in the details. However once the codes put somewhere (soon I hope) you'll be able to take a look and judge for yourself. Note like I said, there's no reason why you couldn't deploy an Avalon container inside Geronimo. So maybe a better way to look at this is you could embed Avalon into Geronimo if you wish - but for the foreseeable future the core container in Geronimo won't be based on Avalon itself. Remember most of the work is in the services that drop into Geronimo - so if you're trying to spread the Avalon word - I'd focus on that if I were you. Not to rant too much on the subject, but Avalon's containers (ie- Phoenix, Merlin and Fortress) are designed to do just this. JMX support exists and there's been some work done on proper JNDI support. You can already run Tomcat, Jetty, OpenJMS and a host of other services within Avalon as it stands now. I'm aware of that. Like I said - the devils in the details. James --- http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] create a new geronimo@incubator.apache.org mail list
James, James Strachan wrote: How about [EMAIL PROTECTED] can you also register it with gname.org asap? Cheers, Mauro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Marc Fleury reacts (Fw: [JBoss-dev] July 2003 news)
Please read the website FAQ rather than spread FUD... http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheJ2EE/FAQ On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 02:33 pm, Vic Cekvenich wrote: Hey, these guys have open source too: http://jcorporate.com/html/products/productsfm.html Lets raid them next, fork the code and put in ASF!? Any other projects? Sad. .V James Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Its natural. He sees the future of JBoss, and its not looking good. Once the ASF has a solid J2EE product, JBoss will not look so attractive. Especially if Geronimo gets certified. Bottom line, would you rather contribute to a project that is led by an arrogant wanna be dictator or by a community of the world's brightest? I choose the latter. James -Original Message- From: Andreas Kuckartz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Marc Fleury reacts (Fw: [JBoss-dev] July 2003 news) FYI. Other strange things are happening as well such as blocked JBoss cvs accounts and blocked mails to JBoss mailing lists. This is really becoming ugly. Cheers, Andreas - Original Message - From: marc fleury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:33 AM Subject: [JBoss-dev] July 2003 news [...] Apache J2EE effort. First a bit of history. I offered EJBoss when it was 4 month old to Apache. The guys at Jakarta vote OK unanimously and their vote was overridden by Brian Behlendorf. The reason from behlendorf was that they 'were not the dust bin of open source projects'. I heard the Apache crowd got offended for me calling them a bunch of fat ladies drinking tea at a later date when they were running around telling us how to run our project. We had reports that this was the non-official reason for this challenge. Challenge accepted. More seriously as we overtake them in corporate penetration and business model, I guess they are finally looking beyond the HTTPD C codebase and imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. We are the real thing, all we have so far is talk and announcement, announcements are a dime a dozen. Apache code on this project has yet to be released and then production reached and then maturity bla bla bla. I have little comment on the project except to say that JBOSS IS NOT A PART OF IT. In a misleading announcement Apache chairman's Greg Stein implied JBoss was participating and that JBOSS CODE WAS PART OF THE PROJECT. No current JBoss developers are participating in the Apache J2EE project and since JBoss is LGPL only full copyright holders can offer JBoss code under other licenses. Bottom line? JBoss can't be forked by apache. As our customers know, we are a business, a serious one and we seriously believe in and defend professional open source. That includes legal protection of IP. Make no mistakes, JBoss will AGGRESIVELY defend its copyright and LGPL license. [...] Marcf x Marc Fleury, Ph.D Founder JBoss Group, LLC x --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/ direct;at.aspnet_072303_01 /01 ___ JBoss-Development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] James --- http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: And what of Tomcat?
On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 12:45 PM, John DiMarco wrote: Any background on how this Apache Geronimo project will relate/compete with the Tomcat project? Tomcat is a servlet container. Geronimo will need a servlet container as part of the suite. If you think of how JBoss does it, you can use either tomcat or jetty. I can't see why Geronimo wouldn't offer the same (or more) choices. Thinking of volunteering to provide tomcat support? :) geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-434-2093(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 203-247-1713(m) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Geronimo
They can read the archives via http://incubator.apache.org/mail/general/ and I think KenCoar has already requested infra team to let it (this list) visible via eyebrowse (http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/). -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On 5 Aug 2003 23:21:24 +0200 (Subject: Re: Geronimo) Andreas Kuckartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am interested in helping out in any way possible Watch this space :) Are you sure that all these people subscribed to this mailing list?! Andreas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [VOTE] create a new geronimo@incubator.apache.org mail list
From: Richard Monson-Haefel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:18 AM Well, I'm pretty ignorant about Apache's ways, but it was my understanding that the original committers would vote in the PMC. Is that correct? Not at this point no. This project starts in the Incubator and is currently the responsibility of the Incubator PMC. No board resolution has been drafted, nor voted upon, to create a new top level 'Geronimo' PMC as of yet. This will most probably happen when the project is about ready to leave incubation. Did a vote occur? Not AFAIK. I think its important to have representatives from each contributing project on PMC. The general idea is to have the project contributors on the PMC. I would like to represent the OpenEJB contingent. If OpenEJB is not represented on the PMC, why are we here? I'm not sure how to respond to this. Maybe I am reading something in those 2 lines that isn't there. In time a PMC will be formed. It will be representative of the contributors to 'Geronimo'. Samder - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Update needed to http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html (was RE: Project involvement)
Cliff, It has been already updated! ;-) (By Paul) please see: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:02:51 -0700 (Subject: Update needed to http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html (was RE: Project involvement)) Cliff Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:52 PM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: snip/ P.S. Also, I think this page http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html is better to be slightly changed. XMLBeans: http://xml.apache.org/xmlbeans/ ;-) Good catch, Tetsuya -- thanks! And if whoever is able to make this update to the incubator page would like a brief description to put next to the XMLBeans link, here are two to choose from: longer version (the one Tetsuya and I came up with for the Jakarta page): XML Schema-based, XML-Java binding tool with cursor-based access to the full XML Infoset integrated with convenient, strongly typed Java classes, combining the best of low-level, full access APIs like SAX and DOM with the convenience of Java binding. or shorter version: XML-Java binding tool based on XML Schema with integrated cursor-based access to the full XML Infoset Thanks, Cliff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to subscribe properly to Apache Geronimo
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Geronimo
I am looking forward to contributing to this project. When can we expect a mailing list? thanks, :aditya - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Elba/Geronimo = Elmo.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/elba Is it be safe to assume this is the full up-until-now codebase for geronimo? Andy, As you are well aware, Elba is a fork of JBoss. It is not the Geronimo code. It is not code that is being migrated to Geronimo. They should probably make that what it is much clearer on their SourceForge project page (and repost the Elba description to here), but you already know better. I won't repost the message that explained Elba, but hopefully its author will. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Forrestbot (Re: cvs commit: incubator-site/build/site/skin breadcrumbs.js)
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 02:18:57PM +0200, Sander Striker wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 2:06 PM jefft 2003/08/08 05:06:01 Modified:build/site/skin breadcrumbs.js Log: Automatic publish at Fri Aug 8 14:05:59 CEST 2003 from http://forrestbot.cocoondev.org. ? http://forrestbot.cocoondev.org is a webapp that automates part of the update process for Forrest-using sites. Every few hours it fetches the latest site XML and renders it (optionally using the latest Forrest). Users (some anyway - see below) can also manually trigger a refresh, and trigger a commit (with my uid) to a module, in this case incubator-site/build/site/. Forrestbot has proved very handy for xml-site, which is now 155M and consequently takes ages to update over a modem connection. It also saves developers from having to deal with Forrest. As long as the docs validate (using any tool), they can be checked in and published through the webapp. Separation of content from presentation and all that. If there's people who regularly update the site and would like to use the system, please let me or forrest-dev@ know. The site's refresh/update facility is password-protected to prevent random visitors from wasting the server's CPU/bandwidth. It's not really meant to be a security measure - if anyone guessed the password, the worst they could do is synch the XML and rendered pages. The server process is running under ssh-agent+passphrase. === RCS file: /home/cvs/incubator-site/build/site/skin/breadcrumbs.js,v retrieving revision 1.5 retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.5 -r1.6 --- breadcrumbs.js7 Aug 2003 21:38:33 - 1.5 +++ breadcrumbs.js8 Aug 2003 12:06:01 - 1.6 @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ The Apache Software License, Version 1.1 - Copyright (C) 2002-2003 The Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. + Copyright (C) 2002 The Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. What's this? Ah, it's a bug in the forrestbot. Some tokens are being inherited from the xml-site module, instead of incubator-site. I hadn't noticed this before, because all xml.apache.org sites share mostly the same tokens. I'll look into it tomorrow. I've fixed it in the meanwhile by regenerating the site by hand. --Jeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Invitation to participate in Apache J2EE efforts
Apache Geronimo has been launched within the Apache Incubator. Interesting. I have not seen a single mail on [EMAIL PROTECTED] mentioning such a project before. The exception is a mail containing a proposal sent by Geir Magnusson Jr. which arrived 9 minutes earlier. Andreas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Updating the incubator site (Re: [geronimo] geronimo website)
I've added a page documenting this. When the site refreshes, it will appear at: http://incubator.apache.org/updating_docs.html Site now updated. -ph Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
About the Apache J2EE
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geronimo
Hi, I would be interested in knowing more about Geromino. What do I need to do if I want to get involved and become a contributer?
Geronimo
Will Geronimo integrate existing OS, or is it intended to have a standalone codebase? -Tim Committer, OpenJMS (http://openjms.sf.net), JMS CTS (http://jmscts.sf.net) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Project involvement
Okay, I've done. please confirm: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030805.1 -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. Also, I think this page http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html is better to be slightly changed. XMLBeans: http://xml.apache.org/xmlbeans/ ;-) On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 06:34:56 +0100 (Subject: Re: Project involvement) Paul Hammant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tetsuya, Is there any chance you chould (cheekily) rewrite the URL listed to http://incubator.apache.org/projects/geronimo.html from http://incubator.apache.org ? It might (if we improve the page gradually) stave off a lot of this newbieism. Tis very interesting the number of postings we are getting. If Geronimo is going to fly (or jump/fall ;) it is going to have to be highhly componentized. Regards, - Paul I have the same opinion, however, I am not a committer of incubator project. The only one thing I could do was to put this news to jakarta website. (With the mail address for the subscription) http://jakarta.apache.org/ http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030805.1 It will be shown up in a few hours. -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. I can rewrite to the place only which I have a karma for ;-) -- On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 03:39:57 +0200 (Subject: Re: Project involvement) Erik Abele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if someone should collect the addresses of all the interested people coming in here with absolutely no clue and send them a standardized mail with some instructions on how to get involved (mailing list subscription, incubator site and so on)? They are clearly asking for further information! Is it possible for the moderators to estimate the ratio of post-only msgs compared to subscription requests? That would indicate if it's clear how to participate... Perhaps it'd be also helpful to get an own mailing list for Geronimo? I'd suggest something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or similar to a) ensure that the incubation status is clearly visible and b) prevent [EMAIL PROTECTED] from cluttering up too much. Is someone from infrastructure@ already working on setting up this stuff? - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Names Projects
Isn't Geronimo something you yell when you jump out of a plane? Sean Aaron Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the naming front, IMHO the best we came up with for the same sort of project back in the days of Olliance was Jarbanzo, but we eventually settled on something lame like Enterprise App Server. I also kicked around Orbital (as in, it runs circles around XxxSphere... :) Geronimo isn't too bad, though it may be tricky to get the boss to bet the farm on it. On the project front, am I correct that the goal is to integrate other projects wherever possible and only build when strictly necessary? If there is going to be building going on, I assume there will be separate areas for the core server and interfaces and the various imported projects or built subprojects? Aaron - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TEXTAREA NAME=Signature ROWS=4 COLS=60 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] create a new geronimo@incubator.apache.org mail list
+1 Regards, Vinay ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- Tetsuya Kitahata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. Also, I'd like to volunteer to change (and add) to http://jakarta.apache.org/ (incubator section) and http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030805.1 in order to avoid the confusion of many enthusiastic developers/contributors. On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:48:31 +0100 (Subject: [VOTE] create a new [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail list) James Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. There's already been a ton of mail and its not even been 24 hours of being public yet. I expect the traffic to keep rising, especially when the sites up etc. So to avoid drowning out other general-incubator discussions and to help keep the noise down for folks who only want to keep track of geronimo I'd like to propose a new geronimo-only mail list be created. How about [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's my +1 (and I notice as I'm about to send, Sander's already +1'd too :) James --- http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: the name, Geronimo
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Jason Dillon wrote: I would avoid any thing so closely related to J2EE... besides Geronimo is/will be much more than a J2EE server ;-) +1 to Geronimo. It contains both Apache, a soft-G [thus a sly J] and is easy to say and remember. Good name. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JBoss people are asking to review the code
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 01:28:08PM -0400, Henri Yandell wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Ceki [iso-8859-1] Gülcü wrote: Hello, I have received a request from Sacha Labourey (from the JBoss group) to review the existing code in our J2EE project to check whether there any IP issues with respect to the JBoss group. Sounds like a reasonable request to me. Are we ready to allow this, and if not, why not? Please note that Sacha is copied on this message. And also, should this happen before the code is posted in a CVS repository. Sacha is completely free to review the code, as with any code at the Apache Software Foundation. We have not (yet) posted any code for review, nor have we checked it into CVS. Primarily, this is pending notification from the ASF Secretary that we've received CLAs from the contributors. Contrary to Henri's comment, we *can* check the code into CVS before JBG reviews the code. We get Contributor License Agreements from our committers that state the committers has full rights to the code and has the ability to grant further rights to the ASF. Strictly speaking, that is sufficient from the standpoint of the ASF. However! It certainly doesn't mean we'll just take any old code if we suspect that the committer is not properly abiding by the terms of the CLA. As with any of our codebases, should a third party find a problem in that code, then our action is to immediately remove it from CVS (the ,v file, not just 'cvs rm') pending a more complete review of the provenance of the code. Thus, if JBG finds any problems, then we will promptly act to preserve their rights, then begin a review. We absolutely do not intend to violate anybody's rights. Cheers, -g -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... ASF Chairman ... http://www.apache.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Project involvement
Aaron Bannert wrote, On 07/08/2003 19.41: I like that one, although it does a lot like June. I guess that's not a problem. +1 Hey, that's my brother's name, it's not fair! ;-P How about Ken, man who respects the law? Or my sister's name Yuki, snow? ;-) PS: for the Japanese friends, we could call it Jun-chan while in incubation, and Jun-san when autonomous ;-) -aaron On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:23 PM, tetsuo wrote: - Jun (japanese for excellence, genius; pure, innocent; conform to, standard) -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] An Apache J2EE server project
(Note: I am not a comitter, but a user) -1 Here is why: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg03376.html http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg03376.html And I am with JBoss on this, you can't just fork the code. (http://sourceforge.net/projects/elba ) No need for complexia : http://www.softwarereality.com/programming/ejb/index.jsp Users want KISS. No need for an EJB project. (did anyone vote? This is not regular) .V ps: I think ASF endoring SUN's EJB, makes no sense now, to late. http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SUNWd=ck=c2a=vp=e5,m20,m100,m200,e200t=2yl=offz=lq=l vs: http://viva.sourceforge.net/ They are trading near liquidation, the value of cash in bank. Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Proposal for an Apache J2EE server project == 05 Aug 2003 : Geir Magnusson Jr., James Strachan and Richard Monson-Haefel Section 0 : Rationale - The Java 2, Enterprise Edition (J2EE) platform is employed widely by organizations implementing enterprise applications. It is commonly used in business-to-consumer and most recently in Web service deployments. Most of the largest business organizations today have deployed applications on a J2EE platform. While the J2EE specification is implemented by a number of large and small vendors, there is no open source J2EE container available with a BSD or BSD-derived licence nor is there an open source project today that provides a fully compliant implementation. Verifiable compliance with the J2EE specification is important to business because it ensures that applications deployed by developers are portable and interoperable across J2EE providers. As a result organizations large and small have felt compelled to pay thousands of dollars to commercial vendors in order to deploy applications based on J2EE compliant servers. The Apache foundation supports several projects that implement pieces of the J2EE platform such as Servlets, JSP, Tag Libraries, and a Web services stack. However, Apache does not currently support a J2EE project. The aim of the project is to produce a large and healthy community of J2EE developers tasked with the development of an open source, certified J2EE server which is ASF licensed and passes Sun's TCK reusing the best ASF/BSD licensed code available today and adding new code to complete the J2EE stack. Section 0.1 : criteria -- We feel that this project has a good chance for success as the following project aspects are carefully considered : a) Meritocracy: The project will be meritocratic - the usual Apache meritocracy rules would apply. b) Community: The user community for this project is potentially massive. The initial developer community for this project consists of developers from Apache, Castor, JBoss, mx4j, and OpenEJB projects. The aim is for this community to grow considerably once this project goes public. c) Core Developers: The initial developers are listed below and consist of some existing Apache committers together with committers from Castor, JBoss, mx4j and OpenEJB. We believe that as the project grows, the modular nature of the J2EE stack will require steady expansion of the committer group that is considered 'core' - thus providing a healthier, more robust developer community. d) Alignment: There is clear alignment with many existing Apache projects. From Jakarta projects such as Tomcat, James and log4j initially as well as possibly others along the way. J2EE now includes a web services stack and so there will be some alignment with the WS project, Axis in particular, along with the reuse of several XML projects. In addition the J2EE Server project may reuse other ASF/BSD licensed code which is not currently hosted in source form at Apache such as (at time of writing) mx4j, openjms and tyrex. However we see the J2EE Server project as a separate project to existing Apache projects, serving two primary roles * integration of various existing and new code bases into a J2EE stack, with those codebases existing both inside and outside of the project * certification of the J2EE stack Note that the J2EE server project can happily support competition within the J2EE services stack (for example, offering choices for elements such as the servlet engine like Tomcat or Jetty, or some new JTA implementation versus Tyrex or some new JMS implementation versus OpenJMS etc). Section 0.2 : warning signs We feel that this project has a good chance for success as the following warning signs do not apply to the project we are proposing : a) Orphaned products: This project is starting with a new code base together with reusing lots of the currently available high quality J2EE open source code out there which is ASF/BSD licensed. b) Inexperience with open source: The initial community is made up of existing Apache, Castor, JBoss, mx4j , and OpenEJB
Re: [geronimo] Core Service Framework (Was: RE: Names Projects)
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 05:55 pm, Tim Urberg wrote: A J2EE container is a little different from an Avalon container. Avalon is a generic service/component framework. The core Geronimo container is an optimised J2EE container developed from a great deal of experience and use of JBoss, OpenEJB mx4j. Its particularly geared towards EJB MDBs. I have a question about this. What parts of JBoss, OpenEJB, and MX4J did you use? I curious about this because I'm an OpenEJB committer. Speaking on behalf of all the contributors to the initial code base for the container - pretty much all of tthem. (Note we're reusing mx4j as-is right now in the code). Today the codebase has a bit of a JBoss-experience-bias I guess; so we're eager to get as much feedback from OpenEJB Jonas folks on the current code. James --- http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [FAQ] Frequently Asked Questions
The private e-mail I got this afternoon pointing me at geronimo was along the line of so this is the @#%*(@ so-called OS organisation you're a [EMAIL PROTECTED])#(!) part of; ripping of and $%(^@ destroying JBoss. For @#*(#$ sake, why %)@)(!* %*(@*## another open source project like that???. (edited for content) I think you'd wan't some sensible answer to emotions like that, somewhere on a prominent webpage. Just so it's easy to tell people, read this page, it explains our views, now stop shouting please. I have one actual question: didn't anyone think about it making sense to write up some stuff about that before making an announcement on sites like slashdot? :D ducks/ back to my corner, - Leo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where should the maven-generated website go?
James Strachan wrote: The only disagreement is - should all this dynamically generated stuff go into CVS or not. It seems silly to put it into CVS - since its trivial to regenerate the site at any point using Maven. Its worse than saying lets check every version of a jar into CVS. we had this discussion at length and quite some time ago. people are pretty much committed to their positions by now, so unless there are a lot of new people, or a lot of the old people have left, all that bringing it up again will do is be an irritant. :-) -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ Millennium hand and shrimp! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [FAQ] Frequently Asked Questions
Noel, Not sure what you meant on the first email by ... add themselves to something other than the mailing list It could be cause my registration to the mailing list was done from home where my id shows as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I am posting these messages from work where the id is [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I am assuming this is why me message didn't show up in the mailing list, but you got it. :o\ In either case, later tonight I will take a look at the link you sent and do some work on the FAQ as you suggested. And while we are at it, do you have suggestions/power to make my messages from either address to go to the list or will I have to register from work so I have both address in there ? Cheers, Alex Vasconcelos. -- Many pilots buy performance and think they are buying skill. Ken Stewart Alex, Why don't you start with the FAQ page off of the Wiki page I posted earlier? :-) See: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheJ2EE/FAQ For a very rapid and dynamic start, the Wiki could be a very big help. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
first-time commits to incubator modules
if you've never committed anything to the incubator cvs module before, or aren't sure, when you do a commit please start with just ONE and wait for it to come through on the mailing list. i'm having to moderate over 200 commit messages from jstrachan because they all came in before i could say 'please pass anything from this address through without moderation'. *panting* -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ Millennium hand and shrimp! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] create a new geronimo@incubator.apache.org mail list
Do we really need a vote on this? Seems like the only thing we can do... +1 On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 06:48 AM, James Strachan wrote: Wow. There's already been a ton of mail and its not even been 24 hours of being public yet. I expect the traffic to keep rising, especially when the sites up etc. So to avoid drowning out other general-incubator discussions and to help keep the noise down for folks who only want to keep track of geronimo I'd like to propose a new geronimo-only mail list be created. How about [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's my +1 (and I notice as I'm about to send, Sander's already +1'd too :) James --- http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-434-2093(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 203-247-1713(m) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JBoss people are asking to review the code
You should check with Dain and Jeremy, I believe they have looked over these issues. --jason On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 12:26 AM, Ceki Gülcü wrote: Hello, I have received a request from Sacha Labourey (from the JBoss group) to review the existing code in our J2EE project to check whether there any IP issues with respect to the JBoss group. Sounds like a reasonable request to me. Are we ready to allow this, and if not, why not? Please note that Sacha is copied on this message. Ceki For log4j documentation consider The complete log4j manual ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products/clm_t.jsp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Names Projects
What is really interesting about the Geronimo name, which I like BTW, is that everyone remembers it. Everyone comments on it one way or another. Its a good name. I say we stick with it. There are plenty of other names. JEEP, JPAE (Java Platform Apache Edition), or whatever. There is a great deal of resistence to the use of Geronimo. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [geronimo] Me, James and javaMail
What I would like to see for a future release of Geronimo is an E-Mail Message Bean container. That is, a Message Bean that can process incoming e-mails. We already have the Mailet API see: http://james.apache.org I'd be more interested in adapting this, and implementing a mailet container for geronimo than creating anything new in this space. d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Geronimo
I am very interested in the Geronimo project and perhaps participating in the development effort. Please keep me updated. Jeff Dufresne - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: To those interested in helping out
Perhaps since the traffic on this list isn't too large, you can post a How to Help Out every day, or every other day. Or what about putting it on the footer of the mailing list? So add the line I marked: To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * To find out how you can contribute, visit [http://aaa.bbb.ccc/ddd.html] -Original Message- From: Brian Behlendorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: To those interested in helping out On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: James Strachan asked: Can the mailing list software automatically detect that the sender isn't on the list and that they mention Geronimo in the mail and send an automated reply? You'd have to ask infrastructure. Hopefully the volume of such requests will dwindle as people find the project's page. Um, this list and geronimo-dev are both configured to bounce any messages from non-subscribers to the moderator (moderators for general@ are gstein, geirm, and coar, moderators for geronimo-dev are gstein, geirm, and jim, all @apache.org) who then can decide whether to approve that message to be passed along to the rest of the list. The moderator has other options: if it's spam they can just ignore the moderation request and it'll be culled from the queue after 10 days. Or, they can reject the message, and give a reason for the rejection, and that reason will go back to the original poster. I suspect the moderators are taking the fast approach (due to volume) and approving messages through rather than rejecting them with a reason. The list configuration could be changed to reject all messages from non-subscribers, and the message for that blanket rejection can be configured to give pointers to the project web page, etc. Brian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: where should the maven-generated website go?
James Strachan wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: One of the reasons for putting dynamically generated artifacts into CVS is that in the event of a recovery situation, CVS is on one server, and the web sites are on another, so recovery can be relatively quick. It is unreasonable to assume that the infrastructure team has the tools, expertise or time to use each different publishing engine. But the developers on the projects can easily do this for them? It takes about 5 minutes to completely redeploy the website. You want to coordinate that for dozens of projects/sub-projects in real-time? :-) In any event, I was just giving a reason. Personally, I'd normally be on the side of not storing generated artifacts in CVS. Either way, it isn't my call. :-) --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Updating the incubator site
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 01:34:49AM +0200, Sander Striker wrote: From: Greg Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 1:39 AM On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:01:53PM +0100, Paul Hammant wrote: Greg, Paul -- please set your umask [on login] to enable group-write on the files in /www/incubator.apache.org. It is making it very difficult for others to update the site :-) I've 755'd all in my name. I think that is enough.. Yup. Looks good, thanks. Altho... I just discovered that Nicola Ken has got some bad files down in there, too. He just needs to toss projects/DELETE-ME-ftpserver. Perms should be fixed there. IOW, anyone in 'incubator' is able to whack it. Thanks, Sander. I've tossed it. Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] create a new geronimo@incubator.apache.org mail list
Richard , I think the vote is restricted to PMC and board members (my +1 for the former) rather than committers (in waiting or otherwise), but welcome aboard anyway :-) - Paul +1 James Strachan wrote: Wow. There's already been a ton of mail and its not even been 24 hours of being public yet. I expect the traffic to keep rising, especially when the sites up etc. So to avoid drowning out other general-incubator discussions and to help keep the noise down for folks who only want to keep track of geronimo I'd like to propose a new geronimo-only mail list be created. How about [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's my +1 (and I notice as I'm about to send, Sander's already +1'd too :) James --- http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Richard Monson-Haefel Author of J2EE Web Services (Addison-Wesley 2003) Author of Enterprise JavaBeans, 3rd Edition (O'Reilly 2001) Co-Author of Java Message Service (O'Reilly 2000) http://www.Monson-Haefel.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.thoughtworks.com - The art of heavy lifting. Home for many Agile practicing, Open Source activists... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JBoss people are asking to review the code
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 06:26 pm, Ceki Gülcü wrote: Hello, I have received a request from Sacha Labourey (from the JBoss group) to review the existing code in our J2EE project to check whether there any IP issues with respect to the JBoss group. Sounds like a reasonable request to me. Are we ready to allow this, and if not, why not? Absolutely. The code will all be public (soon) so anyones welcome to review the code at any time for whatever purpose. We all want to ensure this code is clean in every way. James --- http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Marc Fleury reacts (Fw: [JBoss-dev] July 2003 news)
Vic Cekvenich wrote: It makes little sense to me to do this in this way... fine... then put your efforts somewhere that it does make sense to you. There are obviously many people here for whom it does makes sense. We don't need 100% of developers - not even a majority. All we need is a healthy community for geronimo to be a success. So given that this is happening - constructive criticism is welcome. But complaints about why it was started in the first place are just a waste of bandwidth. cheers -- Greg Wilkins[EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone/fax: +44 7092063462 Mort Bay Consulting Australia and UK. http://www.mortbay.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] create a new geronimo@incubator.apache.org mail list
On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 06:48 PM, Aaron Bannert wrote: On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 03:48 AM, James Strachan wrote: So to avoid drowning out other general-incubator discussions and to help keep the noise down for folks who only want to keep track of geronimo I' d like to propose a new geronimo-only mail list be created. How about [EMAIL PROTECTED] Will Geronimo eventually become part of another top-level project, like Jakarta, or will it become its own top-level project? it should probably become a top level project. it didn't originate from jakarta (though there are plenty of folks from jakarta-land participating) and the process required for a proposal backed from jakarta has not been followed. i'd be inclined to -1 any proposal to add another project of this size and (legal) complexity to those being managed by the jakarta pmc. of course, it'll probably be included in the jakarta news stuff and linked from jakarta pages. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Geronimo is an EJB container?
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 02:21 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote: Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was a _weakness_ of JBoss that the EJB container is built in. Why is Geronimo an extensible EJB container, instead of a J2EE server framework that accepts a generic EJB container as well as a generic servlet container, generic mail service, etc? Absolutely. Although, I think being able to plugin in a new EJB container is important, I think having a default container implementation that is extensible is critical to our success. As more and more services are piled on by the J2EE spec, we need to easily be able to add them without a total rewrite of a highly coupled system. It will also allow revolutionary new services to be built and tried out without requiring big changes to the base server. Basically good all around... -dain /* * Dain Sundstrom * Partner * Core Developers Network */ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why solve a problem that doesn't exist?
Open source projects typically solve a problem not addressed by commercial vendors, even if the problem is just the price being charged for the commercial solution. Yet we already have a very popular, open-source J2EE container in JBoss. Why must people's egos get in the way of common sense in our business as in so many? Like Microsoft, it appears that Apache.org just wants to control everything - and that's just such a lamentable motivation, whether held by Microsoft or Apache.org. How about swallowing your pride, giving up your aspirations of controlling every popular, open-source, significant project, and just embrace JBoss with support, MBean development, etc.? Frankly, I'm just dismayed by the Geronimo project and the pettiness of the egos driving Apache.org. Jack Frosch - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: To those interested in helping out
an awful lot of the 'me too' traffic on [EMAIL PROTECTED] came from messages i moderated through. in other words, the senders are likely *not* on the general@ list. i'd like to suggest that a how-to-subscribe-to-the-right-list(s) message be sent to the same distributions as the message that triggered all the mail in the first place. otherwise all those people will have essnentially sent their mail into a black hole. -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ Millennium hand and shrimp! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why solve a problem that doesn't exist?
Quoting Greg Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think there is strength in diversity - there are lots of models out there and people can try them all. True - to a certain degree. As almost everything in life. :-) The history of the attempts, failures and otherwise is spread over many public and private email repositories and fractured by many many different view points - all of them biased to some degree or other. I can imagine. However, I think it would help people like me to see some pointers. The idea of a corresponding FAQ entry was already mentioned, but what 've seen so far. This is not to blame or naming anyone, but to learn about the different point of views and (hopefully :-) to find some sense in both. We are still interested in discussions and open for exchange of ideas and possibly even sources, if license and copyright allows. (NB. I am in no way able to say we on behalf of the ASF, but I do know that the geronimo project would agree with this statement) I like to read that. :-) Thanks, Jochen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Project involvement
On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 09:23 PM, tetsuo wrote: By the way, I really didn't like the name, Geronimo. It remembers me of someone falling from a cliff :) Is there any J word that is still unused? Like - Jubilee - Jun (japanese for excellence, genius; pure, innocent; conform to, standard) - JEI (Java Enterprise Implementation?) J names are s 2002 ;) -dain - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apache Geronimo
To Whom It May Concern: I'm interested in the Apache J2EE project and possibly participating actively in it in the future. Could you please send me some pointers on this? Thanks much. Sangjin = Sangjin Lee Lead Software Engineer Siebel Systems, Inc. (w) 650.477.4016 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Geronimo: Sounds like some plans have already been made...
When looking for decisions/plans that have been made/approved we should look to the Wiki boards and not the mailing list. That way we will be able to distinguish between people posting ideas and decisions that have been approved and are ready to be implemented. Also, I would hate to have to sort through hundreds of e-mails to find out what plans/decisions have been decided on. -Original Message- From: Aaron Bannert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geronimo: Sounds like some plans have already been made... On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 08:43 AM, Gareth Bryan wrote: For those of us not in the know / new to ASF etc: Could someone from the board post a message detailing what plans / discussions have already been made? Fortunately, very few decisions have been made (none that I can think of) that can't be actively influenced by new participants. Everyone should feel free to post their ideas. -aaron - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Geronimo Information - Please Read
More information is now available on the Geronimo site http://incubator.apache.org/projects/geronimo.html There are links to the new -dev and -cvs lists, the Wiki, and the CVS. Please read and come join us on the geronimo-dev list. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-434-2093(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 203-247-1713(m) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Geronimo mailing lists and CVS
Thanks! Greg Stein wrote: Hmm. I think somebody needs to update an rsync configuration file for that (which requires root privs, which I don't have). I'll follow up on it, thanks. Cheers, -g On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 01:51:53PM +0530, Aditya Gore wrote: Will the module also be available via rsync? jean-frederic clere wrote: Greg Stein wrote: Hi all, Two mailing lists have been set up for Apache Geronimo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- general discussion list [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- receives CVS commit emails These are standard EZMLM mailing lists. You can subscribe to them by sending email to one/both of the following addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] People interested in Geronimo should subscribe to the -dev list, as we will begin shifting discussion over there. There are mbox style archives for these mailing lists stored at: http://incubator.apache.org/mail/ Noel has also set up Eyebrowse for the two lists: http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ViewLists The CVS module is: incubator-geronimo The initial committers are: gstein, geirm, jstrachan, ceki, jim. We will add more committers once we receive confirmation that CLAs have been received (Jim, the ASF Secretary, is out of town this week). You can check out the CVS module with a command such as: $ cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/cvspublic co incubator-geronimo Password: anoncvs The CVS module is available for web-based browsing at: http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/incubator-geronimo/ And it is empty for the moment: +++ du -s /home/cvs/incubator-geronimo 2 /home/cvs/incubator-geronimo date Thu Aug 7 01:07:04 PDT 2003 +++ I believe that is about it for now. Have fun! Cheers, -g - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] create a new geronimo@incubator.apache.org mail list
Thanks for the clarifications. As I said, I'm pretty ignorant about the Apache Software Foundation, but I'm learning. Sander Striker wrote: From: Richard Monson-Haefel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:18 AM Well, I'm pretty ignorant about Apache's ways, but it was my understanding that the original committers would vote in the PMC. Is that correct? Not at this point no. This project starts in the Incubator and is currently the responsibility of the Incubator PMC. No board resolution has been drafted, nor voted upon, to create a new top level 'Geronimo' PMC as of yet. This will most probably happen when the project is about ready to leave incubation. Did a vote occur? Not AFAIK. I think its important to have representatives from each contributing project on PMC. The general idea is to have the project contributors on the PMC. I would like to represent the OpenEJB contingent. If OpenEJB is not represented on the PMC, why are we here? I'm not sure how to respond to this. Maybe I am reading something in Yeah. I think you are. It was a poor choice of phrasing from a writer who should know better. ;-) -- Richard Monson-Haefel Author of J2EE Web Services (Addison-Wesley 2003) Author of Enterprise JavaBeans, 3rd Edition (O'Reilly 2001) Co-Author of Java Message Service (O'Reilly 2000) http://www.Monson-Haefel.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Names Projects
Um, if we have to pick another name please lets choose something shorter. --jason On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 10:31 PM, Michael Vasiliou wrote: What about something like: Gossamer It's fairly straight forward for those who know what it means. And those who don't know what it means (mainly out of touch people higher in management) will not want to admit their ignorance that they don't know what it means and thus not snub the project on the basis of it's name. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/06/03 11:23AM Geronimo was the nickname given to Goyathlay of the Bedonkohe Apache by the Mexican government in the late 1800s. It's spanish for Jerome. The man was a celebrity in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, even rode in Teddy Roosevelt's inaugural parade. He's probably not the best representative of his time or his people (his charm is completely lost on me--I grew up in Osceola, WI) and as far as names go, it could be a lot worse. There's a company here in Minneapolis, for example, named Infinetivity. I'd hate to have to design that logo : ) I'm sure once upon a time people were wary of running their sites on 'a patchy server' as well. Cheers, -- N. Alex Rupp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: Aaron Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: Re: Names Projects On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Sean Hamblett wrote: Isn't Geronimo something you yell when you jump out of a plane? As I said, Geronimo isn't too bad, though it may be tricky to get the boss to bet the farm on it. Though I've never jumped out of a plane before, so I really wouldn't know. :) Aaron P.S.: http://www.desertusa.com/ind1/geronimo.html http://www.desertusa.com/web_cart/db/pages/3005.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Apache Geronimo
Hi, My name is Kamran Khan, I have over 6 years of experience in J2EE. I would like to participate in the development and design of Apache Geronimo. Thanks Kamran Khan
Re: To those interested in helping out
Count me in. I want to help too. Jaspreet --- N. Alex Rupp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Henrikh, Rafael, Oreste, Arjun and everyone else who's interested in helping with Geronimo, First, thank you. We're all excited about the number of people willing to help with the project. With this kind of grassroots support and enthusiasm, the future looks very good. As soon as we can we'll compile a list of the people who've expressed interest in helping out and get back to each of you with more information. It might take a few days, but we'll get there. Best regards, -- N. Alex Rupp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: Henrikh Karpynskyi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:38 PM Subject: Apache Geronimo Project Hello My name is Henrikh Karpynskyi I am Sr Software Engineer (REI Systems) with 6+ years of expirience. Java - 4yrs, J2EE - 3 yrs I have expirience also with RMI ,CORBA and WebServices and would be very intrested in participating in Apache J2EE project. I could spend for this project at least 2-3 hours a day. Let me know if you need detailed resume or something like that. Thank you Henry __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where should the maven-generated website go?
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: James Strachan wrote: The only disagreement is - should all this dynamically generated stuff go into CVS or not. It seems silly to put it into CVS - since its trivial to regenerate the site at any point using Maven. Its worse than saying lets check every version of a jar into CVS. we had this discussion at length and quite some time ago. people are pretty much committed to their positions by now, so unless there are a lot of new people, or a lot of the old people have left, all that bringing it up again will do is be an irritant. :-) I wonder if the current size of the cvs modules involved (e.g. xml-site) might reinforce some of those old arguments against use of CVS? I also wonder if there is not an opportunity here with forrestbot to look at a new approach? Just being an irritant :. Cheers, Berin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Would love to participate
Hi, I would love to contribute to this project. I have never been part of any open source project. I want to see what its like and also maybe do something worthwhile before I burnout and leave the profession. I have over Eight years in the industry. I began with VC++, moved to Oracle PL/SQL on Unix. The last three years have been J2EE. Let me know how I can help. Best Regards Chendil Venkatachalam The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PMC Chair [WAS *REMINDER* last call for july newsletter]
Sander Striker wrote: Technically Jim is still the Incubator PMC Chair. The vote on a new chair wasn't ended or tallied yet and no board resolution has been passed. Until that happens there is no news. Didn't realise a vote had occurred, although I saw a couple of people put their names forward (probably asleep at the keyboard again :). Is there a plan to finalise the vote and get this out of the way? I only ask because it would be good to get some of the incubator processes documented and agreed, but doing so is easier if there is an agreed charter (just to ensure responsibilities are being placed correctly). An agreed charter is easiest if there is an agreed PMC and Chair. Cheers, Berin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why solve a problem that doesn't exist?
Open source projects typically solve a problem not addressed by commercial vendors, even if the problem is just the price being charged for the commercial solution. Yet we already have a very popular, open-source J2EE container in JBoss. Why must people's egos get in the way of common sense in our business as in so many? Like Microsoft, it appears that Apache.org just wants to control everything - and that's just such a lamentable motivation, whether held by Microsoft or Apache.org. How about swallowing your pride, giving up your aspirations of controlling every popular, open-source, significant project, and just embrace JBoss with support, MBean development, etc.? Frankly, I'm just dismayed by the Geronimo project and the pettiness of the egos driving Apache.org. Jack Frosch - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Marc Fleury reacts (Fw: [JBoss-dev] July 2003 news)
On Sunday, August 10, 2003, at 06:23 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: On 8/10/03 5:30 AM, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 03:46 AM, Vic Cekvenich wrote: 2. tapestry lacked active support from apache members. That is NOT true. no offense intended andrew. i didn't know that you were a member (but i should have checked up before posting). - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Current License Grant document
didn't get a response, did you? http://incubator.apache.org/forms/ASF_Contributor_License_2_form.pdf is the one linked to from http://www.apache.org/foundation/roles.html and its also the one Jim Jagielski referred us to a while back when doing a checkup on missing CLAs. - Leo Ted Leung wrote: Hi guys, Where is the most up to date version of the license grant documet. There's a.txt and .pdf version in the foundation CVS, and there's one here http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-generalm=104803185122794w=2, which looks better. This should probably be up on the web site along with the CLA docs Ted - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cron job to update incubator docs?
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:15:40PM -0700, Jeff Turner wrote: Hi, For the xml-site, avalon-site (and I assume jakarta-site?) modules, there is a cron job that synchronises daedalus with the CVS module contents. I think this is Sam Ruby's script. Does anyone know if a similar cron job exists for incubator-site, or does someone have to do a 'cvs update' in daedalus manually? I just go and update manually whenever I make a change. Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why solve a problem that doesn't exist?
Jochen, you wrote: Quoting Greg Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: However, open process is at least as important as open software. True. Apache has a totally open development process. Agreed. But the ASF has just given a bad example on this (IMO). Following the discussions on Geronimo in the last days, my impression is that a lot of decisions (in particular architecture) has already made behind the scenes. I do not even know who took those decisions, or how they look like. Well, you don't know them because they have simply not been taken at all. In essence, what has happened is that some developers have proposed Apache to start a J2EE project. Apache said, hey, we have many parts of the J2EE stack already, many Apache developers want to do it, other projects have expressed interest in donating J2EE code to Apache in these months... let's do it!. So there is only a team of initial committers that have indipendently done some work on this outside of Apache, before proposing it to us, as other projects have taken their decisions before donating their codebases to us. The bottom line: no design decision has been taken, we have some code to start on (which has still to be committed), a certification aim and a bunch of volunteers. What happens now is only what these volunteers decide to do. -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Geronimo is an EJB container?
Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was a _weakness_ of JBoss that the EJB container is built in. Why is Geronimo an extensible EJB container, instead of a J2EE server framework that accepts a generic EJB container as well as a generic servlet container, generic mail service, etc? Aaron - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where should the maven-generated website go?
James Strachan wrote, On 11/08/2003 12.31: ... I'm wondering if it'd be OK to create a directory (say) inside the incubator website tree. e.g. /www/incubator.apache.org/projects/geronimo/... then I can update this website automatically every day from CVS. Incubator projects can create their website with any system they like, as long as the overall style is not to difform WRT the style of other Apache sites. In the case of Maven, of course, it's perfectly fine. The projects, as FTPserver and AltRMI do, should keep the project documentation in their respective CVS space. To publish it, you just need to commit the docs in the incubator-site CVS under the build dir. Please do not publish the site directly to the server as we use the incubator-site CVS for better oversight. We could change this, of course, but ATM this is the way it's meant to be. -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cron job to update incubator docs?
Hi, For the xml-site, avalon-site (and I assume jakarta-site?) modules, there is a cron job that synchronises daedalus with the CVS module contents. I think this is Sam Ruby's script. Does anyone know if a similar cron job exists for incubator-site, or does someone have to do a 'cvs update' in daedalus manually? --Jeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Geronimo
Hi, I am interested in contributing to the Apache Geronimo project. How do I start? regards, Shravan Bharathulwar Analyst - Investment Banking CoE TechSpan India Pvt. Ltd. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Interested in becoming involved in Apache Geronimo
Where can I find more information? thanks Tony Obermeit - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Marc Fleury reacts (Fw: [JBoss-dev] July 2003 news)
James Strachan wrote: Please read the website FAQ rather than spread FUD... http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheJ2EE/FAQ Agreed, only FUD isn't spread. It's slung. Thus, the FUD slinger. ;-) -- N. Alex Rupp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Geronimo
Re: [FAQ] Frequently Asked Questions
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 06:21:12PM -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote: ... LOL Yes. Actually. I wrote several such things, and with permission, I'll be happy to post or contribute. I'm not an official member of this incubation team, but Geir and James both have access to my writings, and can use them as desired (or not). member of this incubation team is anybody who wishes to participate. You don't need any special dispensation. As Andy would say, just do it! :-) Or, in short, you're already on it... Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Update needed to http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html (was RE: Project involvement)
On Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:52 PM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: snip/ P.S. Also, I think this page http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html is better to be slightly changed. XMLBeans: http://xml.apache.org/xmlbeans/ ;-) Good catch, Tetsuya -- thanks! And if whoever is able to make this update to the incubator page would like a brief description to put next to the XMLBeans link, here are two to choose from: longer version (the one Tetsuya and I came up with for the Jakarta page): XML Schema-based, XML-Java binding tool with cursor-based access to the full XML Infoset integrated with convenient, strongly typed Java classes, combining the best of low-level, full access APIs like SAX and DOM with the convenience of Java binding. or shorter version: XML-Java binding tool based on XML Schema with integrated cursor-based access to the full XML Infoset Thanks, Cliff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Updating the incubator site (Re: [geronimo] geronimo website)
Geir, http://incubator.apache.org/updating_docs.html Site now updated. Thx - problem is, I didn't check in the html and pdf - I figured that you'd use forrest to regen. Can it be done again? This time genned and updated. Great work. Sigh, my hastily penned words did not last long! - Paul -- http://www.thoughtworks.com - The art of heavy lifting. Home for many Agile practicing, Open Source activists... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why solve a problem that doesn't exist?
Jochen Wiedmann wrote: Quoting Greg Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: However, open process is at least as important as open software. Agreed. But the ASF has just given a bad example on this (IMO). Following the discussions on Geronimo in the last days, my impression is that a lot of decisions (in particular architecture) has already made behind the scenes. I do not even know who took those decisions, or how they look like. I just read in some mails, that they are soon to be published. Not that *I* am the one who could influence that, but there have been some prominent names expressing interest in Geronimo on this list, who could. While some decisions have been made and some code is being written, this is what is required to start the apache process. Nothing that has been decided or written has been fixed in stone and the process exists to make changes. The high attrition rate of significant contributors to the JBoss project over the years indicates that at least for some there is a problem, that hopefully the open process of apache will address. That's definitely a point. On the other hand, I still have mixed feelings. My impression is that the Apache side behaves very, well, formal. Right, there might be reasons for doing so, but the typical behaviour between various open source projects should be different, say friendly competing. Well I also like the friendly model - but it does not always work, personalities do clash, things fall apart, the center cannot hold, democracy is the worst system except for all the other ones, etc. etc. I think there is strength in diversity - there are lots of models out there and people can try them all. JBoss is being developed under one model - which may suit some, but that should not prevent others from trying other models.While I have not worked under the apache system before (and I'm sure I'm going to find aspects of it very frustrating), I am very hopeful that the openess of the process will be a big win for both the developers and users of OS J2EE. While I reject words like controlling every popular, open-source, significant project, I still would prefer a public statement like we have attempted to do this and that, but that failed because The history of the attempts, failures and otherwise is spread over many public and private email repositories and fractured by many many different view points - all of them biased to some degree or other. I don't think it is productive to revisit the history of it all - the small amount of it that has happened so far has already resulted in name calling etc. What is important, is that for various reasons and through foul means and fair - a community of developers has been attracted to the ASF to attempt a new project. So let's look forward. And, very important, followed by a We are still interested in discussions and open for exchange of ideas and possibly even sources, if license and copyright allows. What good does it, to close the doors? We are still interested in discussions and open for exchange of ideas and possibly even sources, if license and copyright allows. (NB. I am in no way able to say we on behalf of the ASF, but I do know that the geronimo project would agree with this statement) cheers -- Greg Wilkins[EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone/fax: +44 7092063462 Mort Bay Consulting Australia and UK. http://www.mortbay.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[FAQ] Frequently Asked Questions
Hello, everyone Dain, Jeremy and I are putting together a Frequently Asked Questions page and I'd be happy to include any of your questions about Geronimo. So please, feel free to reply to this thread with whatever questions you might have. We'll do our best to get them organized and online in the next day or so. Best, -- N. Alex Rupp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
J2EE efforts
Hi, I find this really exiting news and so far was wondering why Apache never got into J2EE arena. I am a Sun certified Java Programmer and Developer with over 6 years of enterprise level java systems development exposure and currently working as a lead architect. I would like to participate actively in development efforts. Thanks Venkat S Pathuri Manager, Interface Development Voicecom [ www.voicecom.com ] Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone:[770] 663 - 5398 Fax: [770] 663 - 5460 / 5470 PA:[404] 589 - 5942 Voicecom gives you the Power to be Heard. Contact me to learn how. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elba/Geronimo = Elmo.
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 08:20 pm, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: A quick look on sourceforge under some of the proposed committers' logins shall reveal that they are all members of this project: http://sourceforge.net/projects/elba Is it be safe to assume this is the full up-until-now codebase for geronimo? Absolutely not. http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheJ2EE/FAQ Will Jetty be included? I don't see it as part of the Geronimo source code - its a separate project - though Tomcat and Jetty should both be supported as pluggable web containers inside Geronimo. James --- http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
request for feedback on usage log management
Hi, The EFF is developing a Usage Log Management Tool (ULMT) that will help web site owners manage the configuration and retention of server logs in ways that help ensure end user privacy and reduce legal risks associated with log file data. The design is based on ideas developed at the Usage Log Data Management Working Group (see http://www.cfp2003.org/cfp2003/program_info/usage_log_working_group.html) at the Computers, Freedom, and Privacy Conference in New York City in April. Background on that meeting is available at http://www.securityfocus.com/news/3711. The UMLT is desgined to work with Apache servers, but also serves as a reference implementation of policy recommendations by the EFF and the working group. The design documents are available at http://www.eff.org/projects/logmanagement/, and suggestions for improvement (as well as any feedback about whether this might be an appropriate project for the incubator) would be much appreciated. Thanks, Sverker Hogberg Dan Moniz Jeff Ubois - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CLA v1, WAS: RE: cvs commit: incubator-site/src/documentation/content/forms ASF_Contributor_License_1_form.pdf ASF_Contributor_License_2.pdf ASF_Contributor_License_2.txt ASF_Contributor_License_2_form.pdf
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 02:07:14PM -0700, Greg Stein wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 01:03:23AM +1000, Jeff Turner wrote: On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 03:36:56PM +0200, Sander Striker wrote: Hi, From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 3:14 PM jefft 2003/08/07 06:13:39 Added: src/documentation/content/forms ASF_Contributor_License_1_form.pdf ASF_Contributor_License_2.pdf ASF_Contributor_License_2.txt ASF_Contributor_License_2_form.pdf Could be that my memory is playing tricks on me, but don't we require the CLA v2 at all times nowadays? When would we use v1? FWIW, only v2 is linked to, so only v2 ends up on the website: http://incubator.apache.org/forms/ Well... let's just toss it from version control. No need to continue to propagate an incorrect form. In any case, we have an archived/historical copy stored elsewhere for posterity. Is it as simple as doing a 'cvs rm' ? Yes.. done. --Jeff Cheers, -g - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Contributing to Geronimo J2EE project
Hi, I have more than 3 years J2EE experience, mostly EJB, JMS and Web services. I would love to help building the geronimo project, please let me know. Please send any details to the following email address (subtitute _at_ for @): argaldo _at_ mundo-r.com
Re: cvs commit: incubator-site/build/site/projects/geronimo/modules/core/clover/javax/enterprise/deploy/spi/status - New directory
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 12:44:44PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jstrachan2003/08/14 05:44:44 incubator-site/build/site/projects/geronimo/modules/core/clover/javax/enterprise/deploy/spi/status - New directory Man oh man... I really hate CVS thinking each new dir is a separate commit. Longing-for-SVN, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Updating the incubator site
From: Greg Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 1:39 AM On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:01:53PM +0100, Paul Hammant wrote: Greg, Paul -- please set your umask [on login] to enable group-write on the files in /www/incubator.apache.org. It is making it very difficult for others to update the site :-) I've 755'd all in my name. I think that is enough.. Yup. Looks good, thanks. Altho... I just discovered that Nicola Ken has got some bad files down in there, too. He just needs to toss projects/DELETE-ME-ftpserver. Perms should be fixed there. IOW, anyone in 'incubator' is able to whack it. Sander - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Project involvement
I have the same opinion, however, I am not a committer of incubator project. The only one thing I could do was to put this news to jakarta website. (With the mail address for the subscription) http://jakarta.apache.org/ http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030805.1 It will be shown up in a few hours. -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. I can rewrite to the place only which I have a karma for ;-) -- On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 03:39:57 +0200 (Subject: Re: Project involvement) Erik Abele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if someone should collect the addresses of all the interested people coming in here with absolutely no clue and send them a standardized mail with some instructions on how to get involved (mailing list subscription, incubator site and so on)? They are clearly asking for further information! Is it possible for the moderators to estimate the ratio of post-only msgs compared to subscription requests? That would indicate if it's clear how to participate... Perhaps it'd be also helpful to get an own mailing list for Geronimo? I'd suggest something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or similar to a) ensure that the incubation status is clearly visible and b) prevent [EMAIL PROTECTED] from cluttering up too much. Is someone from infrastructure@ already working on setting up this stuff? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Updating the incubator site
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:01:53PM +0100, Paul Hammant wrote: Greg, Paul -- please set your umask [on login] to enable group-write on the files in /www/incubator.apache.org. It is making it very difficult for others to update the site :-) I've 755'd all in my name. I think that is enough.. Yup. Looks good, thanks. Altho... I just discovered that Nicola Ken has got some bad files down in there, too. He just needs to toss projects/DELETE-ME-ftpserver. Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
