Re: What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?
>>> Assuming you run i386 Linux. I suspect Bayard, for example, >>> would disagree with you. :-) Well, I'm not a surly curmudgeon, even though I'm retiring Friday, but the fact is that I've long been an advocate of "general-think" - 10 years ago (literally - all during 1992), I was involved in the roll-out of the Alpha architecture. The primary audience for Alpha was originally VMS (because they needed/wanted to scale onto much "bigger" hardware), but once the decision was taken to port DEC OSF/1 to Alpha, and we worked out a deal with Microsoft to port Windows NT to Alpha, it became an interesting task to get people to stop saying "VMS" when they meant "the operating system", and to realize that some OS' did things slightly differently from others in some respects, but in others, there were aspects of the Alpha program that were operating system-independent. Since then, and more recently with Linux, I've tried to champion the concept/mindset that not everything is i386 (or IA32), that there are other architectures that it's been/being ported to, and some of them are 32 bit and some are 64 bit (and, admittedly, there is more than one 64 bit architecture to which it's been ported that is still shipping). Hopefully, this should make folks craft their source code so that ints are ints and pointers are pointers and neither one is necessarily 32 bits and shouldn't be assumed to be. (Yes, there are some other details, but you get the idea). Sadly, the fellow who wrote the ia32 emulator for Alpha has left the company (and the group that 'owned' it, which was mostly sold to Intel), so I can't vouch for how viable that emulator is these days. But, it's illustrative of the point that we need to try to remain sensitive to the needs of all architectures whenever possible. And, that's without getting into specific details about the differences in various implementations of each architecture. (e.g. AMD vs. Piv, EV4 vs. EV45 vs. EV5 vs. EV56 vs. EV6, etc.). Just my 20 millidollars' worth, and this, like everything else I spew from this address, is solely my personal opinion and not that of my current employer. Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Hewlett-Packard Company solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of the Hewlett-Packard Company, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98,CPQ '98-'02) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?
Well, at the moment, I can't listen to web radio at all, as my dial-up line is way too slow, and I need the bandwidth for real things. There is an interesting article about this in The Register, though: http://www.theregus.com/content/6/25325.html Cheers, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Hewlett-Packard Company solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of the Hewlett-Packard Company, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98,CPQ '98-'02) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
HP Drives Next-generation Animation on Linux with Walt Disney Feature Animation
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020618/180291_1.html Press Release SOURCE: HP HP Drives Next-generation Animation on Linux with Walt Disney Feature Animation Industry Icons Build on 60-year History PALO ALTO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 18, 2002--HP (NYSE:HPQ - News) today announced that Walt Disney Feature Animation has selected HP's Linux-based workstations and servers as components in its next-generation digital animation production pipeline. Walt Disney Feature Animation will employ HP's Linux infrastructure to give artists more powerful tools to translate their artistry into animation while achieving significant cost reductions. --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Hewlett-Packard Company solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of the Hewlett-Packard Company, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98,CPQ '98-'02) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
We appear to be back online!
We took a site-wide power hit here at Spit Brook this morning, and were out of power for a while, and then took our time bringing things back up, because when the power went down, it "bounced" back on once, then went out again. We use a very conservative approach to bringing the gear back up and online when that happens, to reduce the "ringing" in the power lines. But, we seem to be operational again. Our apologies for the disruption. (And, no, I don't know why it went out - kind of curious myself...) Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Timezone? - Re: Message Boards
"Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>> The mail server *zmamail01.zma.compaq.com* IS in Houston TX, Wrong... 'zma' means our facility in Littleton, MA (which DOES connect to Houston, of course). >>> So I guess it COULD be going anywhere. Right. Aforementioned node is a Microsoft Exchange Server, so, yeah, um, er, ... And, the usual disclaimer in my .sig definitely applies here. The unification and resolution of the networks will be an ongoing effort, I believe. I have no definitive information, however. Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Hewlett-Packard Company solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of the Hewlett-Packard Company, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98,CPQ '98-'02) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Heard on the Beeb this morning...
I took my time coming into work this morning because I was sick yesterday and still wasn't feeling all that great today. S, that afforded me the unusual luxury of listening to the BBC World Service News on WBUR(FM) starting at 0900 EDT. At about 0925 or so, they went to their financial reports and the lead story there was about how the German government is going to Linux and IBM, eschewing Microsoft. The reporter pronounced it correctly, made reference to the apps providers, detailed why the Germans are doing this (saving them LOTS of money, and giving them the ability to tailor their systems their way), etc. I haven't checked the Beeb's web site, so I don't know if an audio file of it is still available or not. But, I was very, very impressed at how the story was articulated so that John Q. Public could understand it. Bayard (NO, this is NOT necessarily my employer's point of view!!) --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Hewlett-Packard Company solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of the Hewlett-Packard Company, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98,CPQ '98-'02) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Apologies for the hiccup
If any of you were trying to send e-mail to the gnhlug list on zk3.dec.com this morning, and failed, then I apologize. I forgot to warn y'all that they were planning on taking the cluster down this morning for an upgrade, and indeed it took a little longer than expected to get things rolling again. Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
RE: Party?
Ken Ambrose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pointed us to: http://www.schnitzer.at/mozparty/?show=northa#73 I won't be able to make "#73" (which is *really* sad, since I'm a ham, and in ham radio lingo, "73" means "Best Wishes"). However, I'm trying to talk a certain someone into #98, which is in Hallendale. Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Hewlett-Packard Company solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of the Hewlett-Packard Company, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98,CPQ '98-'02) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
KDE 3.0.1 has been announced
Just caught this off of Slashdot, and thought folks here might be interested. Note that various volunteers have created RPMs or other appropriate packages for various Linux and UNIX distributions, including Tru64 UNIX, but *NOT* Red Hat. http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.0.1.html Enjoy, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Load Balancing
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: >>> RH acquiring the DEC^H^H^HCOMPAQ^H^H^H^H^H^HMCLX clustering group :) Ahem... No, Red Hat hired a couple of engineers who used to work for the now moribund Mission Critical Linux, who also happened to work for Compaq's Tru64 UNIX engineering group before that. The rest of the latter organization is still very much in business, thank you, and are now part of Hewlett-Packard. It's an announced goal of HP to have the Compaq Tru64 UNIX TruCluster Software ported to HP-UX. Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Meeting Tonight
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quipped: >>> Any way you think we can get them to change their name to something >>> like: The pThread() No more than we could get Martha's to... :-) BTW, I've been to the Grand Buffet (with Maddog), and I certainly endorse his recommendation. They're cheap, they have beer, they have room, and they have a HUGE variety, and they're fast. So, if you don't like Asian food, you can try their American or their Italian or ... Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Trolling for Topics
tfogal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: >>> well, i use nmh at work, not exmh, but i assume theyre similar? Actually, exmh is a tcl/tk front end for plain old 'mh'. Information is available at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/exmh/ and http://www.beedub.com/exmh/ HTH, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Hewlett-Packard Company solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of the Hewlett-Packard Company, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98,CPQ '98-'02) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Request for Software
Ben Scott mentioned that he couldn't find SuSE's copyright on their web site. It's probably not there, but I'm sure you'll find it on the box and/or the CDs and/or the cardboard folio used to hold the CDs. Be that as it may, I would strongly encourage those that can, to pay real money for SuSE's products. Frankly, I'd hate to see them go down the tubes and end up begging for money like Mandrake has. SuSE has worked hard to build a good professional image, as well as develop a nice product overall, and I feel strongly that this sort of behaviour should be encouraged and rewarded in the marketplace. This is strictly my opinion and not necessarily that of my employer. Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: SuSE 8.0 KDE 3.0 first look - query about Qt/qtarch
I'm not sure what you mean by 'looked at Qt' - in effect, I AM looking at it, since I also run KDE3.0 on my Tru64 UNIX workstation here at work :-). Insofar as the code itself is concerned, I don't know enough about the nuts and bolts to give you a usable answer. I run SuSE 7.1 on my Alpha PC164 at home, and 7.3 on my old Intel box (I installed SuSE 8.0 Pro on my new dual Athlon box), and the difference between 7.x and 8.0 is formidable, and it seems to be relatively bug-free as well. Frankly, I'm not sure what you'd want to wait for, but that's your decision. I tried the 8.0 beta and had no qualms about submitting an order the weekend before it was officially released. HTH, but I'm sure there are some code warriors out there who know considerably more about Qt than I do who can help with your question. Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Not that this is any surprise...
Paul Iadonisi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spouted the following and then ducked: >>> I'm sorry, but I'll settle for nothing less than 100% space savings. Ah, yes, space, the final frontier... Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Hewlett-Packard Company solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of the Hewlett-Packard Company, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98,CPQ '98-'02) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
RE: We should have such leadership in the US!
"Andrew W. Gaunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pointed us to the Peruvian legistlator's letter. I wish we did have such leadership in the US, but instead, our fellow citizens have seen fit to elect the likes of this: http://www.theinquirer.net/16040216.htm http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/2002rsrecord/hr256.htm If you go to the latter site, there is a hyperlink that permits you to download the entire bill in Microsoft Word format (it's only two pages, and it's either hilarious or disgustingly stupid, depending on your point of view...) Cheers, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Hewlett-Packard Company solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of the Hewlett-Packard Company, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98,CPQ '98-'02) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Mandrake 8.2 Review on The USA Register
http://www.theregus.com/content/4/24861.html Standard Disclaimer applies - I'm just pointing out the article, and neither I nor my employer necessarily agree with it. Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Tape Backups
To augment Paul Lussier's excellent post, I would hasten to add that you should also take into consideration the ease with which you could perform a partial (1 file) or total (all files) recovery. That, IMNSHO, and I am not a professional sysadmin, is the proof of the pudding, and where the real value of the extra money spent for better/faster hardware is derived. Backups are useless unless you can make efficient use of them. Just my 20 millidollars' worth, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Balloon launches at Hosstraders
Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net by oflume.zk3.dec.com (8.11.6/1.1.22.3/03Mar00-0551AM) id g42D88M15503; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zmamail01.zma.compaq.com (zmamail01.nz-tay.cpqcorp.net [161.114.72.101]) by mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BFCF26 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 2 May 2002 06:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.bit-net.com (www.bit-net.com [208.146.132.4]) by zmamail01.zma.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C7AC944 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.bit-net.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA19025 for nhradio-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:05:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) X-Authentication-Warning: www.bit-net.com: majordomo set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f Received: from mail.bit-net.com (mail.bit-net.com [208.146.132.6]) by www.bit-net.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA26093 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:05:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from w1aks (Q007.bit-net.com [208.146.133.7]) by mail.bit-net.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA10772 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:05:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 09:05:17 -0400 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Al Shuman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Balloon launches at Hosstraders Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Attn All Amateurs Forwarded from AMSAT NE: Six fully equipped ham radio balloons launching from southern New Hampshire this Friday and Saturday!!! CAPSAT (http://www.mv.com/ipusers/llb/capsat.html) Launching a total of six radio equipped balloons, two with ATV, two with crossband repeaters, all with APRS, Friday and Saturday from the grounds of the Hosstraders Hamfest/Flea in Hopkinton, NH May 3 and 4. Launches at 10 AM, 12 noon, and 2 PM (times subject to adjustment, please see CAPSAT website). 12 noon each day for the ATV balloon. Most on this list will be within radio range, although these balloons are being inflated to burst a little lower than normal to aid in recovery and to land short of the ocean. At 40,000 feet the radio range will be about 240 miles. That covers from Montreal to NYC, and as far west as Syracuse (don't forget to give the balloon time to rise to altitude if you're out more than 50 miles). As a rough guess these balloons may reach peak altitude in under an hour (35-55 minutes). I've posted a radio range map for CAPSAT on HABLIC website. This should be a tremendous event for northeast balloon enthusiasts. Hank http://www.geocities.com/n1ltv/hablic.htm Nationwide Balloon Launch Information 73, Al Shuman, N1FIK Section Manager/New Hampshire American Radio Relay League 603-487- NH ARRL Web Site - www.nhradio.org NH QSO Party Web Site - www.nhradio.org/nh-qso ARRL National HQ Web Site - www.arrl.org * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Hoss Traders
>>> Of course, if the system Ben is bringing has a CD burner, >>> we can burn there as well. I can bring my new dual-Athlon system, as it's got a Plextor drive that can do 10X (or is it 12X?) CD burns. Ed - I'll have my quad-band (6/2/440/1270) HT on me as well; I told my boss (who's also a ham) that I'd be leaving here early on Friday, so I could be up there around 4 or so. We need to pay attention to the weather, however - local station in Manchester said we're in for an inch of rain tomorrow, and the showers may linger into the weekend, which means at the very least that we'll be facing some potentially muddy grounds. Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
It's official - HP to purchase Compaq
http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/020430/tech_hewlett_lawsuit_1.html AFAIK, and this is subject to change, of course, the merger is to be consummated on Tuesday, 7 May. I do not know if it will immediately affect our mailing list, but my guess is that it will not. However, I'll work with Mark Gelinas to get the word out ASAP if necessary. Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
dump vs. tar
Robert Casey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: >>> Could anyone tell me if dump will work on ext3 file systems? From what I read it looks like it won't so I guess tar is what I should use. Bob - >From my professional experience on Tru64, where we use both UFS and our own home-grown logging FS, "AdvFS", I'd say that 'dump' is quite filesystem-specific, whereas 'tar' is rather generic in its structure. I don't have the Linux documentation set available to me at work at the moment, but you might want to carefully peruse the ext3 docs and web pages. I suspect that, for example, there might be an ext3 version of the fileutils package that's normally shipped with ext2. When you use 'tar', I suggest that you print and study the 'tar' man page carefully. There are a bazillion switches and the syntax is a bit arcane, and while it's similar to everyone else's tar, each OS seems to have a few, um, enhancements/customizations to be aware of. HTH, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: By the time you read this it may no longer apply
I sent a private e-mail to Alex, but now that the issue's been kicked around on the list a bit, I'll submit what I mentioned to him, so that folks can discuss it and turn it into Swiss Cheese. IIRC, when LILO is first installed, it copies (using 'dd') the boot block of the boot disk in question to Linux' /boot directory and puts it in a file called something like 'boot.0802'. (My personal experience is ONLY with SCSI, so an IDE system may vary!) I was under the impression that there is some sort of magic incantation like 'dd if=/boot/boot.0802 of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1' that would write back the original boot block. Unfortunately, here at work I have no means of checking the Linux documentation, so if someone could confirm, correct, or refute that, it might be helpful. (At least to me, if not Alex :-) Thanks, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
FYI, SuSE 8.0 *is* shipping
At last night's MELBA meeting, we were discussing SuSE 8.0 and the other recent distros, and I believe Maddog said he hadn't gotten his yet (or it had just come in?). I ordered mine Friday night over the net, and got an e-mail Monday saying it had been back-ordered. But, when I got home last night from the meeting, Fed Ex had delivered it. I will do a few test installations on my new system at home in preparation for giving a demo at a future meeting, as we discussed. (I need to work out the video cabling, however, for the projector). Cheers, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: AMD vs Intel (was: Hardware Pointers)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: But I feel better knowing that if my fan dies or my socket cracks, my CPU is likely to survive the ordeal. Which is why Alphas tend to have their heat sinks bolted on to the chip... Years ago, Intel laughed at us and our clunky heat sinks. Then, they created the 60 and 66MHz Pentium and noticed that we were running our CPUs at 2.2V, not 5V. Monkey see, monkey do... Years later, they were finally starting to catch up to our clock speeds and performance levels, and thereby started running into the same cooling problems that we had encountered and solved years earlier. Of course, because it was _Intel_, it was OK to have a large heatsink and fan on a CPU... It's all moot now, of course... Bayard (who's typing this on an XP1000 with a 667MHz EV6 running Tru64, and, yes, the heatsink is firmly bolted on :-) * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
RE: (OT) Hardware Pointers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said, in part: >>> On a side note, speaking of hardware, I'd like to mention a very >>>disturbing experience I had at a computer show in Salem N.H. yesterday Complain to ncshows.com - quickly and thoroughly. They've been known to kick out disreputable vendors, believe it or not. Yes, you have to be careful, and I've gone to a lot of shows, and have dealt with many of the vendors there, but there are some I won't deal with ever again. I only buy from those whose stores I have visited, and who will be around in the long run. There are some shills there that don't even have enough brains to print up professional business cards, though... Just my 20 millidollars' worth, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Ghostscript and HP Inkjet printers
Dan Coutu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>> but it *is not making this directory*.
You really sure it's supposed to be making that directory at
lpd queue start time? ('queue start time' I interpret as being
when you give a command under lpc to start the queue). I'm thinking
that mebbe it doesn't get created until/unless you actually send
a document. Try just printing a simple text document to the printer
from one window and monitor the appropriate parent directory.
I don't remember offhand (I don't have a Linux box here at work
I can look at readily) but I think there should be an 'lpd-error'
file created somewhere (/var/log or /var/adm, perhaps) with that
stuff in it.
Also, is the print system (be it lpd, cups or whatevah) registered
with the syslog mechanism? I suspect it probably should be automatically
on newer distrobutions, but I recall having a hell of a time getting
PPP and other services, such as lpd/lpr, hooked in so as to be able
to do a call/callback to syslog. Dan, I think you may know what I
mean, because I certainly don't know it well enough to explain it :-)
HTH,
Bayard
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Re: tar failing 'broken pipe'
OK, let me see if I've got it right... >>> tar -cvf home2.tar home 'home' is a directory with about 40MB worth of stuff in it, right? I was thinking that if it was really huge (hundreds of MB or more) then there might be a bug in the compression routines called by tar. BUT, you're getting a similar, related message with out the 'z' switch... What's wierd is that it's gagging not on 4GB (which would explicable by a 32bit pointer issue, perhaps), but 40GB - is that the size of the drive?? If so, I submit that there is a recursion problem. Maybe you can try something like this, assuming that 'home' is, say, directly under /, or in the /usr hierarchy and does NOT include 'var': tar -cvf /var/home2.tar home Also - since I don't have a Linux file system I can readily check here at work - check the Linux man page for 'tar' and make sure that the '-' in front of the 'cvf' is legal/tolerated. There may be a subtle implementation-dependent gotcha just waiting to nail you there. (I don't seem to need to use the "-" in front of my tar switches on Tru64, but YMMV, and probably will). HTH, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
tar failing 'broken pipe'
Charlie said he's getting 'these errors'... Ummm, can you post the commands you're issuing, and tell us what directory you're issuing the command relative to the files/directories you're trying to tar up? What I used to do a lot here at work was to collect various files off the net, including/especially linux kernels, and plop them into one directory. Then, at the end of the day, I'd cd to that directory and issue: tar cvf ../takehome18apr.tar . and it would take my files and put them together into a tar ball that was in the next higher directory. Why? because that way, tar wouldn't get confused about trying to tar its output file into its output file. For the usual gamut of files, such as the .tar.bz2's or .tar.gz's or even RPMs that I'd collect, I didn't try to compress the .tar file. (Ken Ambrose's e-mail just came in, and we're in vehement agreement!) HTH, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
console access through serial port?
Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: >>> Is there any way to get access to the console through the serial port? I have another system that does this for VMS and T64U systems (anyone remember VCS?) Well, when you're on an Alpha system, you always have console access available, one way or the other, as described in the hardware box's owners manual. This is independent of the operating system. As far as crashing goes on an Alpha, I don't know if ^P is supported by Linux or not, but I know on Tru64 and OVMS, that will usually halt the machine or give you a console prompt. Newer systems (i.e., most of the PCI-based ones, IIRC) will indeed 'crash' if you say 'crash', so you don't have to worry about OS-specific hacks the way we did in the past (e.g., stuffing the PC with -1 or some such nonsense). Under Tru64, it will yield a specific footprint in the crash dump that tells us that it was indeed manually/knowingly crashed at the console. You might want to do some research into the crash tools that were developed by (all rise) Mission Critical Linux (beseated). They adapted some of the concepts used on Tru64 and OVMS so that Linux users (of all, or certainly, many architectures) could get a crash dump. I don't know if they released any crash analysis tools akin to Tru64's 'crashdc' program, which was a script for the debugger to go into the crash and print the stack trace, scheduler queue, etc. I certainly empathise with your situation - hung systems are *never* fun, regardless of OS or CPU architecture. HTH, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux, Windows(tm), taxes - and privacy. A personal narrative (long)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>> So far Codeweaver's works great. There are some minor flaws and bugs. http://www.theregus.com/content/4/24653.html is a review of Codeweaver, posted at 10:11 EST (?!?) this morning... b. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
PATH (was total newbie)
Michael Bovee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kicked over an interesting anthill when he passed along his problem and we discovered it was the $PATH variable settings that were causing his heartburn. However, I'd like to point out a couple of things from the ensuing discussion. First, as I think Derek mentioned, there are some UNIX programs/utilities that are very dangerous to run unless you know exactly what you're doing. And, I think they typically inhabit /sbin, which is why it's not normally in an ordinary user's $PATH. Dan Coutu mentioned that /sbin is Standalone BINary. I'm not sure I agree with him (off the top of my head) and I'm going to ask around here (in Tru64 UNIX land) to see what the locals think; this gets more into UNIX culture than technical fact, which makes it all the more amusing and, hopefully, interesting. The difference between /bin and /usr/bin is, I believe, that /bin is inhabited by system-level binaries, whereas /usr/bin are primarily commands that ordinary users would run. But, on top of all this is the new Linux File System Standard, which I have not read/studied, which may shed more light on this important topic. This standard promulgates which directories should hold what types of files/programs, and there may be some interesting narrative in the standard which would help Michael, me, and perhaps others on the list. Anyone have a pointer to the FSSTD handy? Just my 20 millidollars' worth, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Ghostscript and HP Inkjet printers
Dan Coutu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> The problem is that the new version of Ghostscript includes a driver for the newer ijs and not hpijs. Close... I'm working on the same issue, but with SuSE 7.3, as I bought an HP 940C recently. Take a look at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/hpinkjet/ and http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/ Basically, the 'hpijs' is a kind of filter/pseudo-driver that exists in a separate file on your system, but is called by Ghostscript as part of GS's digestion of your file, before GS ultimately queues the results to the actual printer driver. The new hpijs does require a newer version of Ghostscript (to ensure that the GS you're running knows what "hpijs" is). The two URLs should give you a good springboard, however. I simply haven't had time/patience to work it all out yet. HTH, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Turning a PC into a RAID box?
Just to put the matter to rest, now that we've chewed on it all afternoon. I stated what I did earlier for a reason, and left out a lot of historical detail and other technical information, because I've been-there-done-that. In a nutshell, shared scsi (i.e., multiple initiators on a parallel SCSI bus) is feasible, is shipping from at least one well-known major vendor (ahem), and it NOT easy to do! You have to have HBAs with appropriate firmware, device drivers that can make proper use of that firmware, a SCSI CAM layer that speaks multi-initiator, and an application that will do what you are trying to do, including manage your input/output buffers. I don't want to even speculate as to how many people-years of work it took to perfect all that, particularly since that's sensitive business information, but it's kind of obvious that it took quite a few. I've been working with it for over 8 years now, and it's been a long haul. If it were MY data, I wouldn't even try to do it. Maybe some of the MCL alumni/ae can point to some public online documentation on how to do it, and if so, that would be wonderful - they contributed a lot of very interesting technology to the Linux community, for which we should all be grateful. Ben Boulanger just pointed out a link on Sourceforge, too. Yeah, there are some issues with the NFS solution, but they are well-know and well-understood (even if I can't type worth beans today) issues for which workarounds could be developed. I submit that shared parallel SCSI is less well understood in the Linux community and that the various drivers would need extensive development and testing work to meet the needs that were stated at the start of this thread. Please do not CC me on the thread - I am a [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscriber, and I might not be in a position to answer questions privately anyway. :-) HTH, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Turning a PC into a RAID box?
>Take a PC & install a minimal Linux or *BSD on it. >Install multiple IDE disks. >Run software RAID on it >Install a SCSI card in it. > >Now, connect via SCSI to another machine (that doesn't have IDE) & use >it as an external RAID system. Well, as others have pointed out, using Target Mode is the way to go if you *insist* on doing it this way. However, I can tell you from personal professional experience, it ain't easy. What SCSI Host Bus Adapters are you planning to use and does their firmware "know" Target Mode? (Consider that a rhetorical question, BTW). How do you (plan to) turn on Target Mode support in your SCSI Driver or your HBA's device driver? (Assuming you know how, or it's documented...) >>> I also don't want the traffic to go across the net. What net? If you have dedicated Ethernet adapters on each system and use a crossover cable between them, it's not an issue. >>> SCSI is *much* faster then ethernet. I agree with Mark Komarinski's assessment. Running 100 Mbit/sec FDX should do the trick for you. Remember, you'll have some track/sector seek times, so it's unlikely, in a TP environment, that you'll max out the link for very long. And, since you're running a database, you want to make sure your data transfers are reliable. Running with hacked-up SCSI HBA firmware and device drivers is not, IMNSHO, commensurate with that... Just my 20 millidollars' worth, and the usual disclaimer about this not being my employer's opinion. Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Internet Shutdown
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>>No, this thing has been going around for about a week now. I've >>>gotten 3 or 4 copies. All it takes is changing the From: header on >>>your outgoing mail. Someone did this and then sent it to gnhlug, >>>probably from within zk3 :) >>>(Bayard? ;) Not guilty, your honor. The dragon did it: >>> Received: from dragon.inside.ntisys.com (h-64-105-111-43.CMBRMAOR.covad.net >[64.105.111.43]) by itchy.ntisys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2Q0FqD21862; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:15:52 -0500 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from anw.zk3.dec.com by oflume.zk3.dec.com (8.11.6/1.1.22.3/03Mar00-0551AM) id g2TIqcR00819; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by anw.zk3.dec.com (8.9.3/1.1.22.2/08Sep98-0251PM) id NAA0001019750; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:52:26 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There was one individual who spotted this Friday afternoon and ordered Ben to the Principal's office, but sadly, I deleted that e-mail. As good as our systems are here, I know they're not good enough to shutdown the Internet. Houston won't let us... (Darn! :-). Happy Monday, everyone! Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Can't boot scsi timeout (Success!)
Charlie Farinella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> reports: >>> I installed RH 6.2, then ran the 7.2 upgrade, and lo and behold, it works! Cowabunga dude - that's way cool!! Now, could you do us a favor, and look at your boot messages in /var/log and tell us what Linux kernel you have, what SCSI driver was reported, and what Adaptec driver was reported, as well as what kind of device (and firmware rev) at SCSI ID4 you have? I know it's asking a lot, but it's good data for me to keep in mind in case we get similar questions/problems later on. Thanks, and congratulations, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re.: Can't boot scsi timeout
Charles Farinella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: >>> This is a kernel issue? If it is what I experienced (i.e., if it's NOT a SCSI bus termination or other hardware issue), then yes, it would be a kernel issue. You have to look beyond what version of what distribution you're using and look at the actual Linux kernel version. And, in fact, you need to look at the version of the SCSI driver. Regretfully, I am at the office and can't check my system at home, nor do I remember off the top of my head what Adaptec drivers versions might (not) exhibit this sensitivity. HTH, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re.: Can't boot scsi timeout
Charles Farinella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (a.k.a. the veteran newbie :-) wrote; >>> I get the following: >>> scsi: aborting command due to time out : pid 0, scsi 0, channel 0, id4, I'm going to take a big SWAG and wonder aloud if you have a (Plextor) CDRW drive out there at SCSI ID4. I had the same problem... The newer Adaptec drivers in the 2.4.x kernels (including .17, BTW, as well as 2.2.20) are VERY picky. I had to yank my CDRW out and can only use it on my Alpha box at home or here at work, both of which use the Q-Logic SCSI boards. However, Symbios/NCR/LSI Logic-based SCSI cards (e.g., the Tekram boards), are likely to work as well. No amount of horsing around with Multiple LUN support, etc., etc., in the kernel configuration menues seemed to work around this problem, and there was some discussion in the Linux Kernel Mailing List about it a few months ago. Either that, or as someone else suggested, you may have a SCSI termination problem. You need to make sure that you have precisely two terminators, one at each end of the SCSI bus (and the Adaptec board may or may not be necessarily at one end of the bus, BTW - check the jumpers, etc.). That is probably the biggest 'gotcha' about SCSI, and not just on PCs :-). HTH, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
"Linux Executive Accuses Microsoft"
Well, only reason I'm really pointing this out is that it hit the headlines on Yahoo! News - in the general section, not just Tech News! http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20020325/ap_on_hi_te/microsoft_antitrust_233 As always, this is strictly my view on it, and does not in any way, shape or form necessarily reflect the views of my employer... Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Cross Yahoo off the list of free e-mail services!
It just hit Slashdot about an hour ago... http://slashdot.org/articles/02/03/21/1511225.shtml?tid=98 I like their title: "Yahoo To Try To Charge For POP3 Services"... * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
RE: Laptop help
Benjamin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> emitted: Changing your procmail recipe's match line to * ^TOgnhlug@.*zk3.dec.com will solve this problem nicely. :-) I don't know procmail's configuration semantics, but I would *beg*/*plead* that whatever recipe you use, that it point simply to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' WITHOUT regard to any particular node name that you might happen to stumble across (such as, in particular, MINE). The reason is that there is a peculiarity with our majordomo setup here, whereby I cannot post stuff to the list from my account on the production servers. I have to use my workstation. However, all too often, people will reply to it, thinking it's the correct address. It wastes our internal bandwidth for incoming mail to bounce through the mail router to my node only to be told, "no, go back to the mail router" and then be re-routed correctly. No, I don't know the technical reasons for it, and no, I don't want to debate it as I know I can't change it (politely nod your heads and assume we have a security issue surrounding all this, OK?), and that's the way it is... for now... Pending today's balloting... Thanks, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Lindows vs. Windows.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said (as his Humble Opinion): >>> Of course I never considered SCO to be a "major" UNIXen company >>> even though they used to ship more licenses than anybody else. I had the same impression during the timeframe that Compaq bought out Digital; I was working for Digital at the time in their UNIX group (and I'm still here/there, doing Compaq Tru64 UNIX now). And, I must say that I was quite taken aback when I was told what Compaq's annual system volume was for SCO-based Intel server systems back then. I don't know offhand if I'm at liberty to divulge that information, but it was fairly significant. Over the years, I've noticed a lot of car dealerships, video/DVD rental companies and so forth who had dumb terminals running an application being served by a SCO UNIX box in the back room. But, things change over time, and that was then, and this is now. It will be interesting to see if Linux can supplant SCO in the marketplace. And, that is strictly MHO, and not that of Compaq or any other entity. Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Please remove all 'mediaone.net' addresses
"Karl J. Runge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>> Could also do a s/mediaone.net/attbi.com/ in the list file. >>> This is the change that AT&T Broadband Internet (attbi) did. NO!! There was NOT necessarily a 1:1 change made - there were some username conflicts whereby the former mediaone.net customers had to acquire new usernames in the attbi.com namespace. Those who were so affected should have, by now, realize that they are no longer seeing traffic from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and if they care to re-subscribe can do so from their new addresses and notify our list-owner of the needed changes. Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: What's the best way to optimize lithium-ion battery life?
FYI - I suggested to Alex privately that he might consider doing several deep-cycle discharges and recharges. However, this might not work for Lithium-Ion batteries the way they used to for some early Ni-Cd batteries that we use in the two-way radio market. Paul Lussier asked: >>> They are recyclable, but where/how do you do this? I believe that the most appropriate way is to contact the manufacturer for their instructions, since they're (generally speaking, at least in the USA, YMMV, etc.) required by the EPA to have a program in place. Otherwise, you might have to contact your appropriate state agencies (e.g. Dept. of Environmental Services in New Hampshire) for their POV; they may have a list of approved recipients licensed to do disposals). Just my 20 microCoulombs' worth :-) Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Nore on spam
Mark Komarinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>said: >>> I had an interesting thought today, but it's a real strange one Knew I smelt something burning... :-) >>> So back to the idea. When "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wants to >>> deliver something to me, why can't the MTA hit the MX for mail.com >>> and VRFY that the account is valid? If it's valid, it comes >>> through. If not *wham* gets immediately flagged as spam and goes >>> to an alternate box or whatever. It takes but a few minutes to obtain an account on Yahoo or the other major web mail systems. So, once the spammer does that, it then sends out the spam from whatever ISP it's been planning to use all along, but does so with a brand-new, verifiable, real e-mail address at a well-known web mail provider that's worth precisely zilch. Any e-mail directed to that account can be ignored by its owner and auto-closed when the bounces fill the allotted 4MB of space or whatever... Sorry, but I must've missed something here, but it sounds like that's exactly what's happening in a majority of the cases. Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: More spam discussion
"Tom Buskey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said, among other things: >>> Combine that with procmail & you can filter lots of it to a spam folder. >>> Add ifile & it will watch how you refile messages in exmh/MH and will >>> learn how you do it. Then much of the spam will be refiled by ifile >>> into your spam folder for you after awhile. You can also tell ifile to >>> scan all your current MH folders. Now, THAT would be a hell of a trick, and would require some considerable AI working in the background, since I tend to forward much of the spam to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the penny stock recommendations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ! (And, yes, I know of other interesting forwarding addresses, but won't belabor the point...) However, I do appreciate the pointers, and will give them a try. It's a series of annoying problems that I don't have a lot of spare time to try and solve, and don't have a lot of latitude about some of the things involved (i.e., I don't have - or WANT - the root password to our production servers. My friendship with their admins suffices :-). I've long since learned that virtually no one knows everything about Linux/Unix and that there are a hell of a lot of very bright, experienced people on the list who are very helpful. It's sincerely appreciated!! Thanks, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Paul Lussier's mail is messed up
For those of you like Ed Robbins (and myself), trying to reply to Paul Lussier's e-mails, please be advised that his proper e-mail address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For whatever reason (although it's an interesting and amusing bug for us to collaborate on using the list :-), it's shipping his e-mail out with the wrong From/Reply-to headers. So, for now, ignore that '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' behind the curtain, it's really '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' :-) Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: More spam discussion
I certainly understand Paul's frustrations, and his admission that it's an emotional issue is probably the epitome of understatement. I don't run an ISP - I'm basically an end-user, and it's just incredible how bad it is. In fact, it's an amusing irony that I am now running exmh 2.5 (thanks to Paul Lussier's excellent talk in Nashua a couple of months ago). Here at work, I'm one of the few holdouts still getting e-mail using the 'mh' system, as opposed to IMAP or *gasp*, Microsoft Exchange. One of the nice parts about exmh, from an end-user perspective, is the ability to have the abstracts of the new mail listed on the screen before I actually open an individual e-mail. This morning, I had 54 new mail messages, 8 of which were spam. I was able to use a separate xterm window to cd into my 'inbox' directory, do an 'rm' of the offending messages, and then tell exmh to 'rescan folder'. One of the bad things about much of the spam is that the message is in HTML, which exmh will readily display inline for me, BUT all too often, there are references to .gif or other decorations from an external site that I have to wait forever for. Or, worse yet, there's an inline URL that calls up a web page using a specific serial number as an argument, which in effect tells the server/spammer that I opened the message. I don't know what our corporate system management philosophies are with respect to spam screening, but I've seen various references on the web to sites listing the top 10 or 20 spamming ISPs around the world. I would think that filtering them (perhaps by taking a sample message and then seeing if it's repeated more than 'n' times?) might be a technique, but I know there are others with far more experience than I who can offer better suggestions. One point, though - Paul mentioned that he'd just revived a dormant domain. I've heard that the spammers lurk on the various domain registrations and pounce on all/any newly (re-)registered domains. Just a few thoughts, the sum of which is well under my allotted 2 cents :-) As always, but especially for this message, my thoughts do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
HTML Code
"R. Sean Hartnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: >>> Can anyone tell me the HTML code to insert that would cause a >>> link when selected it would open up in a new browser? Left angle bracket a href="http://server.domain.type/filename.html"; right angle bracket target="_blank" right angle bracket This is my textual reference to the new page left angle bracket /a right angle bracket < a href="http://server.domain.type/filename.html";>target="_blank"> This is my textual reference to the new page Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Linux Rescue Boot CD
Brian Chabot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: >>> What would you all reccommend for a Linux rescue CD? I use SuSE's first CD, as appropriate for the architecture I'm running on. I have had the need to use it several times on Intel and Alpha boxes, and found them to be very handy when booting an orphaned system. There is a menu (and it's at home, of course...) that allows you to choose to "boot an existing system". For those of you familiar with booting an Alpha, you know that it's a bit tricky. The SuSE stuff saved my bacon more than once. And, I have floppies on both systems, and in fact, boot the Intel box off of a floppy because I change kernels fairly frequently. Booting off of an Alpha floppy is an enigma to me. HTH, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: BIOS entry for Quantex CPU?
"Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>> I don't even know WHAT O'Brien's Law is. O'Brien's Law states that Murphy Was An Optimist... :-) Cheers, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: BIOS entry for Quantex CPU?
"Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: >>> after all HOW MUCH DAMAGE can you do to a machine >>> even before the BIOS is fully loaded >>> and the hard drives are accessed? I'm going to "respond" simply by quoting my famous 5th cousin: "No comment and don't quote me on that..." IOW, beware of Murphy's Law, as well as O'Brien's law! Cheers, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: collocation service
This may be slight OT, but if you want to know what might happen if the colo vendor runs out of capacity and doesn't speak up: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/2002/FCC-02-61A1.html The bigger they are, the harder they fall... Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Compaq inks deal for large Linux Alpha-based clusters
http://www.it-director.com/article_pf.php?id=2625 ..."Not surprisingly the commercial opportunity has not gone unnoticed. Compaq recently made a deal which included an equity investment in Unlimited Scale, of St. Paul, Minnesota to enhance its high end Linux offerings. Unlimited Scale's product is "Unlimited Linux," and it is being designed to manage clusters of up to ten of thousands of server nodes as a single unified system. The goal is to provide up to twice the system utilization than can be achieved with other Linux releases while improving manageability. The Compaq deal provides Compaq with preferential support and optimized versions of Unlimited Linux for the Alpha-based Compaq AlphaServer and Intel-based Compaq ProLiant platforms. The Alpha will be the only RISC processor platform that Unlimited Scale implements on for a three-year period." * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: GPG and different mailers
John Abreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: >>> Aside from the enhanced colorizing of reply text, what else has >>> changed since exmh 2.4? I pulled the sources directly from Brent's site, since I was building from scratch on Compaq Tru64 UNIX here. And, yeah, I was going to append the stuff from the exmh.CHANGES file, but you can grab them for yourself at: http://www.beedub.com/exmh/ HTH, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: GPG and different mailers
Ben wrote: >>> At least the people using Outlook send *some* readable text because Paul wrote: >> > -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 (debian 2.2-1) > > owFdUr1rFEEUz11I4cGdBLQRxVd5CnfrJkgkZ+IHEiGFVQ7Ecm737e3D+Thm3t7d because Paul is running Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 instead of version 2.5 07/13/2001 like I am (on Tru64 UNIX, BTW...) Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Satelite systems
Paul Lussier said: >>> how to get Verizon or AT&T to get off their collective behinds Frankly, I think getting Verizon to do anything will be extremely difficult. They are losing billions of dollars per year, according to their public statements, and my SWAG is they're not going to be interested in investing in expensive technologies for a limited market. (I know where Paul lives, and his town's not much bigger than mine, and the issues are similar). My opinion is that the reason they are losing billions on paper is that they overbid on the last round of wireless telephone spectra and have a bit of a supply-and-demand issue there to be resolved. They aren't interested in ugrading last-mile infrastructure if they aren't pressured hard to do so. AT&T, on the other hand, is under a lot of public scrutiny because of all of the cable systems they now own, the high demand for broadband services at the retail (i.e., Harry Homeowner) level, and pressure from local regulatory agencies - i.e., State PUCs *AND* town governments. Cable TV franchises are generally (at least here in New England) awarded on a _municipal_ level. So, if there are a lot of technically-knowledgeable residents in a given town who want broadband and can't seem to get it, putting pressure on the Board of Selectmen, City Council, etc., does get results. It took a few years, but I raised hell with my town government because the previous cable company (long since bought out) didn't want to cable my road because it was too far out in the boonies, even though I was about the only house among the 40-50 on the road who could get a signal off the air! If your town's cable plant is still aluminum-jacketed coax instead of the newer stuff, perhaps you need to start asking a lot of questions as to _when_, not _if_, they will be upgrading to broadband! Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Satelite systems
Benjamin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>> Geosynchronous orbit is roughly 22,000 miles straight up. >>> Your request has to go 22,000 miles into space, turn around >>> and go 22,000 miles... Actually, it's more like 22,400 miles straight up from the _equator_. The slant range from our neck of the woods (i.e. 42-43 degrees or so north latitude) is going to be significantly greater than that! I'll leave the exact calculations to someone else, but the point is that it's actually going to be a lot worse than Ben's already gloomy news. (OK, granted DirecTV/DirecPC's uplinks might be in south Florida or Colorado or wherever, but those latitudes, and ours, still have to be factored in... In any case, it's not a pretty picture...) I prefer a non-RF approach, generally speaking. One, I'm a ham and the noise floor on our microwave bands is going to get worse as time goes on, and second, it means that fewer people can listen in on my packets :-) Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Throughput of DSL Internet
"Derek D. Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>> I'm much more concerned about whether my provider will be around >>> next year. I don't expect AT&T to disappear any time soon. Not >>> nearly so sure about Covad and its resellers. Bear in mind that some of us wish we had a DSL to compare to... I gave up long ago on Verizontal providing DSL on my exchange (not to mention updating the SLIC box in my neighborhood, 12000 feet from my house). In the meanwhile, Metrocast completely rewired my entire town (36 sq. mi, 4200 people), and brought Cable TV to my house for the first time. (There was no aluminum coax to rip out as none was ever installed). Yes, it's going to be extremely difficult to compare the two. However, I submit that it could be done by making a large number of measurements, by going to many different web sites at many different times of the day and week and taking a composite average. Just my 20 millidollars' worth and unrelated to any opinions my employer might or might not have on the subject... Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Looks like the comments to DOJ helped!
http://www.newsforge.com/ has a brief article pointing to: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23976.html Apparently the comments were 15,000 to 7,500 against the proposed settlement! Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Mr. Gates vs. The Patriots
See today's User Friendly cartoon at http://www.userfriendly.org/static/ for today, until they move it into its permanent URL. Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Possible minor interruptions to the list early Monday morning
I've been informed that our cluster will be upgraded early Monday morning to bring in some patches. It will be a rolling upgrade, so it is unlikely that list users will even notice, as one or more nodes of the cluster will be up at all times to serve your e-mail. However, if something does go thump (and from I hear of the weather forecast, it may be out of our hands as there may be severe icing which could cause power failures here and there!), well, you've been warned. Have a good weekend, everybody, and GO PATS GO !! :-) Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Need to convert Latex to F*&@!$g Word format
"Roger H. Goun" said: >>> I searched Google for "convert latex word" and got some likely-looking hits. Yeah, but were any of them at hoaxbusters.ciac.org? :-) Trust me, Steve, we're probably just as frustrated as you are. I'm trying to figure out how to build Abiword for Tru64 UNIX here... (My problem at the moment is the lack of uninterrupted, dedicated time to be able to devote to doing it, not for lack of help or documentation, etc.). Have a good weekend, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
RE: Re: More interruptions to the mailing list
Ben said: >>> but you guys in ZK3 are great. Thanks, Ben. I took the liberty of passing your comments along to our sysadmin, who is a friend of mine. BTW, there may be interruptions in the early morning hours sometime in the next week or two when he installs a patch kit. I don't know exactly when that will be, as it was supposed to happen this morning, but was postponed due to the power outage last night. (He wanted to make sure that things were solid and that folks could log on and do real work this morning before touching the software configuration). However, if they occur between next Friday and the ensuing Thursday, 8-14 February, I will not be available to warn y'all. >>> Thanks, guys. You rock. You're most welcome. Cheers, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
New version of "PREDICT" - satellite tracking software - for Linux
Caught this on the ARRL Web Page at http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2002/01/30/2/?nc=1#Latest The latest Linux version (2.1.5) is available for free downloads (yeah, it's GPL'd, etc., etc.) from: http://www.qsl.net/kd2bd/predict.html "PREDICT is a multi-user satellite tracking and orbital prediction program written under the Linux operating system by John A. Magliacane, KD2BD. PREDICT is free software. You can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation, either version 2 of the License or any later version. " You don't have to be a ham to use it, of course - some backyard astronomers can use it to track the ISS if you don't want to go to: http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/temp/StationLoc.html 73, Bayard, N1HO * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
KDE and Gnome
Tom Rauschenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked about how to create a Gnome user, explaining that he's a KDE user. Well, to be facetious, you demonstrate Gnome to him/her, and explain all of its features and attributes, including the ability to use Enlightenment to change the decoration scheme, etc. By then, they'll be so infatuated, they'll want to be Gnome users. :-) But, to set it up as their default desktop, I don't know for sure, BUT under Tru64 UNIX, the fellow who ported KDE provided a .xsession file to put in the user's home directory, and that's what tells Tru64 that I want to run KDE instead of CDE. It sets up some environmental variables, and runs xmodmap to tidy up the DEC keyboards, and then basically does an 'exec sh $KDEDIR/bin/startkde'. He does note that for debugging purposes, you can comment out that command and use $KDEDIR/bin/startkde >startkde.log 2>&1 instead. HTH - sorry, but I don't have easy access to a Linux system here at work that I could check to be sure. Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
More interruptions to the mailing list
Evidently, we took a power hit in just our lab here late yesterday afternoon, and it took out the 'zk3.dec.com' production cluster, and hence our beloved mailing list. Things are operational now, but the electricians will be coming in today to investigate, so it's possible that the cluster may go down again. I will attempt to notify the list IF POSSIBLE, but there are no guarantees. FWIW, this appears to be a very unusual, isolated problem involving just a couple of bus bars. Thanks for your patience and understanding, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
MotifZone: Open Motif 2.2 Released - Major Upgrade!
(Just got this off an internal mailing list, but it was sent out publically) Hi all, We've just posted binaries and source for Open Motif 2.2 to the MotifZone!(www.motifzone.net) Open Motif 2.2 is a major update to Motif that includes 10 new widgets and universal tooltips (thanks to Rick Scott!). The new widgets include: tabstacks, trees, validating data entry fields, etc. An 18 month roadmap was also announced. This roadmap defines the timetable and functionality for three additional releases that includes support for anti-aliased fonts, improved imaging support (jpgs, pngs, etc.) and canvases. (Remember that poll on the front page of the MotifZone that is what drove this roadmap!) The MotifZone and ICS will also be providing free training on this new release in a 6 city tour in the USA in March. The following cities are included in the tour: Philadelphia, Washington DC, Houston, Denver, Los Angeles, and Boston. Send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info on dates and registration. Want more info? See: http://www.motifzone.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=160 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Domain "slug.org" in turmoil
Bear in mind that it's entirely possible that, if it really did expire, that it's been snatched up by another 'SLUG' in the country (or world). There is a Southeast Linux Users' Group down in Florida, I believe, that could be salivating over it. IF you do get it back, OR if you migrate to another domain name, I would respectfully ask that you put a link up to the "real" SLUG (as far as I'm concerned :-), which is the Sydney Linux Users' Group at slug.org.au, which very nicely invited myself and another fellow Compaq employee to join them at one of their monthly meetings last year. Thanks, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Power outage last Saturday
Good Morning, everybody! Evidently the site here took a power hit on Saturday afternoon, so if your traffic to the GNHLUG list "disappeared", or got thrown back in your face, please accept our humblest apologies on behalf of our electricity vendor :-). I did get e-mail from our admins this morning saying that things are pretty much back up and online, with pockets of resistance here and there. Since the spam in my inbox appears to have been hardly affected, I suspect that e-mail is once again flowing through the cluster here. Thanks for your patience, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: More on AMD Athlon/AGP stability issue
The article at: http://lwn.net/2002/0124/a/athlon-agp-problem.php3 seems to have the most concise information. I certainly understand how Steve Orr feels, though. These are pretty arcane issues - I can get the overall gist of it only because I remember some cache coherency issues that were around in the VAX days and some of the interesting design tweaks that went into systems to avoid them. It kind of highlights how issues can crop up with different implementations of the same general processor architecture. I don't know enough about the IA32 architecture to be able to give a talk on it, that's for sure! I just hope they get all this ironed out soon - I'm planning on getting an Asus A7M266D and a couple of 2000+ to run Linux on at home, but not until I'm comfortable that it will work. Bayard (who is running exmh 2.5 on his Tru64 workstation thanks to Paul L. !!) * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: AOL to buy Red Hat?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> I'm thinking of using them to construct my own Very Large Array H... CDs ARE shiny, but is that really RF-reflecting metal in them? If so, it would be interesting to build a dish sort of like the new observatory in Hawaii (forgot the name, saw it on the Discovery Channel, any avid astronomer will know what I mean). Now, I'm sure such a disk - whoops, dish would suck for optical stuff, but for RF, it might be rather usable. I'd love to try it on the various amateur microwave bands. (Assuming I don't scare the hell out of any aircraft flying over who wonder what it is! :-). 73, Bayard, N1HO * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
SCSI Problems
Well, FWIW, I built a 2.2.21-pre2 kernel, and was unable to boot it with the Plextor SCSI CDRW drive on the bus. The P2L97DS/Adaptec BIOS does see it, and depending on whether I enable LUNs in the Adaptec BIOS, I get slightly differing results. However, I also noticed that the Adaptec driver is 6.2.something, and is therefore basically the same that's in the 2.4/2.5 kernels. It is an SMP box (dual P-II's at 333MHz), and I do have the APIC stuff enabled (thanks, Kenny), and it's still barfing. My suspicion is that LUN 1 is raising the ATN bit and the driver can't cope with it, and no amount of SCSI bus resets clears it and therefore the driver loops, resetting the bus and getting nowhere. I'm not able to download the new firmware under SCU (the SCSI Configuration Utility) available under Tru64 and Linux (the latter if-and-only-if you've compiled in the sg* driver), so it appears that I'll have to plop in a spare spindle, and dust off my Neolithic Technology CD and pay brief homage to the Evil Empire and pump new firmware into it that way. Hopefully, it won't take too long and I can get it done before I have to defragment the disk. Thanks for the help, pointers, and suggestions. I'll let y'all know how things turned out! Cheers, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: SCSI Problems
Benjamin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: >>> Have you tried a kernel that works? I have seen similar weird problems >>> trying to install 2.4-based distros at home, which promptly disappeared >>> when I switched back to 2.2. No, I'd long since upgraded my entire infrastructure to support 2.4, and I suppose I could build a 2.2 kernel, but have never tried running one on a system that expects a 2.4 kernel. (I.e., all the stuff documented in the CHANGES file, e.g. http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.4/doc/Changes.html). As I said, my current gameplan is to build a new box from the table-up, but with a TekRam board, or get myself a Qlogic board that I can pop in my current system and see if I can add the Plextor on a SCSI bus of its own (which might not be a bad idea anyway, for performance enhancement). There was a discussion on the LKML a few weeks ago about issues with other SCSI devices, which highlighted some of these seemingly Adaptec-specific quirks. Hence, my shopping list for the new system included a TekRam SCSI board, rather than Adaptec. Thanks, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: SCSI Problems
This discussion is interesting to me, because I've used an Asus P2L97-DS motherboard for about 4 years now, which has the AIC7880(?) chip onboard. (2940UW equivalent). I've had my share of termination problems, etc., but for the most part, it's been pretty stable and useful. I'm even running fairly bleeding edge kernels with it. BUT, one problem I'm having is with a Plextor SCSI CDRW drive. I cannot even boot Linux with it (under 2.4/2.5) with either the latest Adaptec-sponsored driver or using 2.4's "old Adaptec" driver. It consistently complains that one of the LUNs has an interrupt posted or something. (Bear with me, it's been a couple of months since I last got up the patience and courage to try it again). Well, I figured, based on the spate of new firmware posted by Plextor, that it might be a firmware issue. However, it got mighty interesting that I was able to bring it in and try it on an Alpha XP1000 workstation (which uses Qlogic ISP10xx SCSI chips), and both Compaq Tru64 UNIX and SuSE Linux 6.4 had no issues. So, I tend to agree that there is something rotten in Denmark about the Adaptec-sponsored device driver code. I'm considering going for a TekRam board when I build my new system shortly. Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
RE: Frank on hot new technologies
Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quoted: Waba Java Wiki Tcl "That's a book you can chant in bars. Can't say it five times fast, no more beers for you." Wow, it's Friday _already_? Kewl... -b. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
ext2 fragmentation (was: A fairly simple question)
Benjamin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Does anyone know of any unbiased and current analysis of this issue? Well, no, and to be honest, my opinions are quite biased. The MS-DOS filesystem design flaws, with respect to fragmentation, are well-known and understood. (O)VMS's filesystem suffered from similar problems. Two of the primary architects of (O)VMS work for Microsoft now, and one of them - Dave Cutler - was the primary architect of Windows NT. The NT (and NTFS) design is very similar in many respects to (O)VMS, and suffers from the same fragmentation issues. For many years, Microsoft was unwilling to admit that, but eventually the truth, and Diskeeper, came out. The BSD filesystem used by many flavours of UNIX, including ULTRIX, OSF1/Digital UNIX/Tru64 UNIX, SunOS, IBM AIX, HP-UX, et al., tends to minimize fragmentation. There is _some_, but it is minimal, about 1-2% or so. I won't waste list bandwidth explaining why, because there are a lot of interesting papers online about it. We had one of the primary designers give a talk here one time; she'd been researching a way to improve upon it, and was discussing her research, putting up all kinds of performance graphs, etc., etc. Went on for 45+ minutes. At the end, she put down her pointer, crossed her arms, looked at us and said, "And after all THAT [~2 years of research], we still couldn't find a better way!". Kind of stunning, but her honesty was refreshing. The EXT2 filesystem, I believe, is based on many of the design principles as the BSD UNIX Filesystem (ufs) mentioned above, and as such, its exposure to fragmentation problems is minimal. The basic concept is that the OS's filesystem code works in the background to keep the files contiguous as possible, commensurate with good overall performance. However, I'm sure there are other experts on the list who can correct me on that and explain it all a lot better than I. HTH, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: SPAM??
I've forwarded the offending message to Mark Gelinas, so give him a little while to look into it for us, and work the issue with our sys admins here. Your patience is appreciated. Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: x86 Assembly resources
Derek Martin said his interest in x86 Assembly is academic. Well, OK, I can sort of understand that, particularly if you might be thinking of tinkering in the embedded market, or doing some esoteric real-time stuff. However, I'd strongly encourage looking more at what might be coming up in Itanium, and rather than doing Assembly-level stuff, be looking at what it REALLY takes to migrate existing C/C++ code to a 64-bit environment. In a sense, it shouldn't take ANY migration work at all, if the programmer paid attention to the difference between pointer sizes and integer sizes. But, there is a lot of sloppy code out there that assumes a 32-bit object, and that's an erroneous assumption, as 9+ years of experience with Alpha has shown. I submit that this may prove to be more interesting/lucrative than twiddling bits on a small system. But, that's strictly MHO. You may find that Assembly programming to be some of the most frustrating and esoteric stuff you'll ever work on; your "lines per day" of code development will plummet - it still amazes me how much design and implementation work went into the Alpha PAL code and the Alpha console firmware releases. But, you will also learn a hell of a lot about computer architecture. Cheers, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
VA Linux Changes Name to VA Software Corp.
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011205/tc/tech_valinux_dc_1.html Wednesday December 5 4:29 PM ET VA Linux Changes Name to VA Software Corp. FREMONT, Calif. (Reuters) - VA Linux (news - web sites) Systems Inc. (Nasdaq:LNUX - news), once a hardware, software and services company that has transformed itself into a collaboration software vendor, announced on Wednesday that shareholders voted to change the company's name to ``VA Software Corp.,'' effective immediately. The Fremont, California-based company said the new name better identifies its primary business of developing, marketing, selling and supporting the SourceForge collaborative software development platform. ``The board also believes that the name 'VA Linux Systems' is primarily identified with our former Linux hardware systems and consulting businesses,'' Chief Executive Larry Augustin said in a statement. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Vendor defaults (was: Aliases) (was: Compression under ...)
Ben said : >>> I am reminded of websites who use graphics instead of text. >>> Most people think there is nothing wrong with that. >>> Because they can see. >>> Blind people regard the situation rather differently. And, at the risk of a slight digression, web sites that assume that users have Shock and/or Flash plug-ins, etc. The parents of one of my kids' friends had their own Web site - they were so proud of it, and gave me their business card with their URL on it. So, out of courtesy, I looked it up one day on the Web. All I got was a huge mono-colored rectangle and in the middle were the immortal words: "Flash Plug-In Required". And, I might add, this happened to me both here at work (on Tru64 UNIX on a Alpha XP1000 Workstation) and at home (on Linux on a dual Intel P-II mobo). Some distros, like SuSE and TurboLinux, work very hard to ensure that their products have full I18N capabilities. And, it's really not a bad idea to initially alias 'rm' and perhaps one or two other potentially destructive commands, as long as it's CLEARLY pointed out, and with examples given as to how to change it, along with some recommendations for other cute combinations. I echo the complaint about the color-ls settings - I am partially color blind, and certain combinations of foreground/background colors simply "don't work" for me. I'd gladly trade off some of this cute stuff for more significant and important stuff -- I'm having a great deal of trouble with my lpr settings under SuSE 7.2, for example. Just my 20 millidollars' worth, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Alias files
I've been following most of the discussion on this, and although I happen to use "alias ls='ls -aF'" as part of my .profile under ksh here at work, I also hasten to point out that it's about the only alias that I do use. Yes, it's possible to concoct (or copy) huge long lists of aliases from others, including bearded gurus, and yes, in my early days, I used a .cshrc that consisted of maybe 2 or 3 entries that I happened to understand (as opposed to the remaining several dozen that I still don't). But, yes, Murphy is alive and well, and always hanging around my system. So, my root shell's .profile includes a 'PS1="N1HO ROOT> "; export PS1' stanza to gently remind me that the safety is off on the 10 gauge pointed at my . And, yes, it's probably a good thing to check and double-check and TEST OFFLINE if at all possible. We had a customer who decided one night to add an "enhancement" to their backup scripts (under Tru64, not Linux, but...) which would delete the newly-depracated logfiles when the backup was complete. They used that famous Murphy-ism of "rm *", assuming (very rashly, of course) that they were somewhere down in /var/log/ nightly/this/that/other/subdirectory. However, when the script was run for the first time, something else had gone wrong and there was no /var/log/other subdirectory. So, the script bounced back up to... you guessed it... /. We gently suggested that they test the output of 'pwd' next time, after they recovered their system and its database... The point is, of course, that assumptions can be rash, particularly involving aliases, environmental variables, and initial vs. desired location in the directory tree, and should always be carefully checked. Cheers, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
fix for umount bug in 2.4.15
Ferenc Tamas Gyurcsan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: >>> A quick question. Does anybody know if patch-2.4.16-pre1 fixes that umount bug in 2.4.15? Yes - there is a 2.4.16-pre1 patch out as well as the same patch for 2.5.0 (called 2.5.1-pre1). I haven't personally tempted fate by trying to verify the fix myself; I upgraded directly from 2.4.15-pre9 to 2.5.1-pre1, and I'm still happy. HTH, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
RE: more ls command
Michael Bovee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: >>> Is this common for different groups to add their own shorthands, >>> and then not include them in the manpages? You might want to do an 'alias ll' (or a just plain 'alias') from your shell prompt to see what aliases might have been helpfully created for you by your distribution's vendor. Yep, it can get downright annoying at times. I'm sure there are all kinds of little things like that which various members of the list may have created for their own use (and to suit their own taste), which they could share with you. I, for example, greatly prefer: alias ls='ls -aF' to display various symbols to denote executable, directory, symlink, etc., on my files, including the dotted files. Your taste/mileage may vary. HTH, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
RE: And now for a rant...
Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks: >>> Why can't there be some standard way of discovering release >>> information from the various distributions? You point out an interesting example of the old expression "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from". FWIW, I agree, and I fear that the problem lies not just with Linux. My daughter is taking a computer course at UNH; Daddy's little girl is a theater major, OK? She's quite proud of the fact that she can now handle a CLI on a UNIX system. However, I don't know what OS that system is running - not everyone writes to the top line of /etc/motd, and implementations of 'uname' vary between the major UNIX vendors. So, it's sometimes difficult for me to specify a command that I can be sure will work on a competitor's command line, particularly since I don't have time to make a detailed study of the POSIX standard... Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Package paradigms (was: apt-get)
Sorry, but I need to make this a 'hit-n-run', as I'm pretty busy today. But, for those of you so equipped, take a look at the way Xemacs does this. There are some semi-automatic hooks, which can be adjusted by the user, to go out to several well-known places on the Internet to obtain updates of the various giblets available for Xemacs. This is not limited to the basic stuff that's distributed by xemacs.org, but also the plethora of add-on packages (e.g., the customizations to make a very nice IDE for C and/or C++ software development, etc.). I personally haven't made much use of it personally, but I have played with it in the past, and frankly, I think it's really cool methodology. Just my 20 millidollars' worth, Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
RE: CERT Advisory - lpd vulnerabilities
>>> http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-30.html "Compaq has not been able to reproduce the problems identified in this advisory for TRU64 UNIX. We will continue testing and address the LPD issues if a problem is discovered and provide patches as necessary." Looks like a lot of code review work in years past is paying off. But, I'm not gloating - there's always "the next one". Feels like swatting mosquitos - you feel good getting the one that landed on your arm, but there are always a few dozen more circling overhead! Bayard * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
RE: GNHLUG list to be down this weekend
Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mumbled: >>> What, no UPSes up there? ;) Sure, we've got UPS coming in everyday in their big, brown trucks... b. ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
GNHLUG list to be down this weekend
There is a planned shutdown for electrical maintenance this weekennd here at Compaq/Spit Brook/Nashua, and the power will be off on Saturday. We've been instructed to shutdown and power off all of our computer eeuquipment. The cluster should be back on sometime Sunday. Sorry for the invoconvenience, but it's a necesasary evil in order to keep things running here. Bayard ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
(Re: How do I track down an IP)...
Soprrry for the extra message - had some problems using mailx from an Xterm window and fumble fingered some stuff. If you can't find what you need in the man pages, etc., try any decent EMT textbook :-). Cheers, B. ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: How do I track down an IP address from an NFS procid?
Ken Ambrose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Which still leaves me wondering, however: >>> is there either a way to track down who's hammering a server >>> and/or to throttle what they're doing? Come around from the back, find the ligaments at about 10 and 2 o'clock, bring the forefingers just beyond/inward, and then press hard on the carotid arteries for a few minutes. You can release at initial grey-out, if you wish, or continue on for a few more minutes for more, um, permanent solutions. Unfortunately, I don't have a live linux system here at work, but I know we have some tools under Tru64 UNIX that permit some observation and analysis of NFS connections. Hate to say it, but you may have to really dig in some arcane man pages to glean what you need for this. (And, in all seriousness, I do commiserate with you - NOT a fun time!!). You might be able to use some standard TCP/UDP/IP network monitoring tools and/or wirrite a simple script to nice the NFS deaemon down a notch or two, I usppsuppose, but I know there are some experienced sysadmins on the list who may have some more interesting/creative solutions. Cheers, Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r++ y? UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: How do I track down an IP address from an NFS procid?
Ken Ambrose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Which still leaves me wondering, however: >>> is there either a way to track down who's hammering a server >>> and/or to throttle what they're doing? Come around from the back, find the ligaments at about 10 and 2 o'clock, bring the forefingers just beyond/inward, and then press hard on the carotid arteries for a few minutes. You can release at initial grey-out, if you wish, or continue on for a few more minutes for more, um, permanent solutions. Unfortunately, I don't have a live linux system here at work, but I know we have some tools under Tru64 UNIX that permit some observation and analysis of NFS connections. Hate to say it, but you may have to really dig in some arcane man pages to glean what you need for this. (And, in all seriousness, I do commiserate with you - NOT a fun time!!). ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Focus of GNHLUG Mail List
"Paul Courchene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: >>> Now, I wonder if anyone out there is at all interested in discussing >>> the nuances of Linux, the Operating System. Even "off key" >>> discussion related to Linux "applications" would be of interest. Ayuh, that sounds like a nifty idea! >>> Perhaps "organizational issues" of the GNHLUG would also >>> be well received. Nope - [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the place for that. Bayard --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r y-- UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: 2.4.10 rocks :-)
An update to the earlier exchange about 2.4.10 and VM, etc.: http://lwn.net/daily/ac-2.4.10-ac2.php3 Looks like Alan Cox is getting (very) busy with 2.4.10 now. I notice that his change log for -ac1 mentions not only merging with Linus' 2.4.10 tree, but dropping a lot of VM changes. So, if those interested in VM want/need to, they can pick through the diffs file very carefully. HTH, Bayard ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: 2.4.10 rocks :-)
Benjamin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enquired: >>> Does anyone know if this fixes "all" the major issues >>> with the 2.4 VM, of just "some" of them http://lwn.net/2001/0927/a/2.4.10.php3 http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0109.3/0009.html http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0109.3/0023.html There is a lot of other discussion about VM in the lkml archives, but the two URLs immediately above address 2.4.10 specifically. I had 2.4.10 working at home, but managed to scronge my system big time by adding a CD-RW drive yesterday. Once I get SuSE 7.2 reinstalled on another partition and get back on my feet, I'll let you know if 2.4.10 is any good. It seemed to be, and I think my issues are related to the way SuSE configures stuff, not the kernel. HTH, Bayard ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Trolling for centralug web content
Sounds like a good idea, assuming that Codemeta can hack the extra bandwidth (which is greatly appreciated, BTW!). Thanks, Bruce Bayard ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: "Invisible Guns" (was NH Senator calls for encryption backdoors )
"a.w.gaunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> suggested: >>> For example, those who don't carry-on their own firearms can be >>> provided with a 'courtesy' gun airline for the duration of the flight. Mom: Gee, Johnny, how was your flight? Little Johnny: Oh, it was great, Mom - I had a real blast!! (I'm kind of wincing at the term "firearms" - I think it should be weasel-worded so that we're talking about pistols. The thought of having all those barrels sticking out all over the place makes me nervous - someone could trip over one rifle barrel only to chip a tooth or something on a nearby shotgun barrel - very dangerous...) Bayard ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
RE: 2.2 -> 2.4 HOWTO?
Cole Tuininga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked:
>>> Is there a good HOWTO out there that will talk about what needs
>>> to be done to accomplish this?
http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.4/doc/Changes.html
This particular copy may be getting stale. When you crack open the
linux-2.4.10.tar.{bz2|gz} file, look for the 'CHANGES' file for newer
info. However, the basic concept is the same - there are a bunch of
things that you'll need to do to ensure a smooth transition.
Your distribution vendor may have a means of performing the updates
as well which, by definition, will be vendor-specific. For example,
the util-linux stuff is split among two or more separate RPMs in
Red Hat, because they chose to package it that way. (I'm running SuSE,
which has its own quirks, but was able to auto-upgrade to 7.1, then 7.2).
HTH,
Bayard
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Re: Hosstraders - the twice-yearly Ham Fest
Cole Tuininga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: >>> Can anybody tell me about this event with regards to folks who >>> have absolutely zero knowledge about Ham? Well, actually, the Hosstraders is a fairly large ham radio flea market, so it's not necessarily the best venue to learn how to get a ham radio license (i.e., it's not a class), but you can learn something about it by bumping shoulders with a lot of experienced hams. I.e., it's like going to a model train show or a gun show - you'll learn a lot of anecdotal information, but you probably won't be able to shoot much straighter without some practice on your own or taking some classes. However, you *may* be able to get info on what classes might be coming up in the general area. Other resources: http://www.arrl.org/hamradio.html and http://www.hamradio.com/ The ARRL is our national non-profit amateur radio club, and the page I pointed out is the best place for beginners to get started. HRO is a large retail vendor of ham radio equipment and they have a store at 224 North Broadway in Salem (NH), 603-898-3750. In addition to a lot of equipment on sale, they typically also have flyers about upcoming events and classes and so forth, as well as local ham radio clubs. HTH, Bayard, N1HO --- Bayard R. Coolidge N1HODISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Compaq Computer Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DEC '77-'98) or any other entity. "Brake for Moose - It could save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CC d+ s:+ a++ C+++$ UO++$L++>$ P L++>$ E-@ W+ N++ o- K? w--- O? M? V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP- t++ 5? X? R* tv b++ DI+++ D? G e++ h-- r y-- UF++ -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- --- ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
