[Hornlist] Horn Wanted
Hello All. Please pardon this dual posting. I am looking for one of the following: Paxman 10, Paxman 11, Alex 90, or Alex 97. All are single Bb horns, and hopefully the Paxman 10 and the Alex 90 will have the F extension slide. All of my usual sources, such as hornplayer.net and hornsaplenty do not have exactly what I want. In fact, Alan at hornsaplenty does not have any Bb horns at all, in spite of what's listed on their web site. Other brands might be acceptable. Let me know what you have. No Sansone horns, please! I have a double horn to trade, or just plain cash, or a combination of both. Thanks. Wilbert in SC wkkim...@yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] MIGMA Horns
If it was posted in this list, could someone please send me the information on MIGMA horn makers? The first hornplayer in the orchestra I conduct has an A. Wunderlich with MIGMA on it, and naturally I lost the posting. Thanks. Wilbert in SC wkkim...@yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] F/Bb Reversal
Walter's solution to this problem was to build a whole new linkage system for the thumb valve. As I recall it had three pivot points. One was to make the reversal and the others were to reduce the amount of movement needed on the thumb. Hey, it's been thirty years and I only saw it once. Wish I could be of more help. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] 8D and 9D thumb reversal
Roberto, The Conn you have uses a 120 degree valve, not the easier to reverse 90 degree valve. The only person I knew who could reverse a Conn was the late Walter Lawson who charged $300 for this service to a member of the New York Philharmonic in the 1970's. Sadly he must have taken this knowledge to his grave. I suppose someone out there could make and install a new valve for you. Wilbert in SC, USA ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Wunderluch
I just bought a Wunderluch double horn. Can anyone out there supply me with information on this company? The horn was made in the 20s or 30s and is in excellent condition. Thanks. Wilbert wkkim...@prodigy.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Need Gold Plated Pizka Mouthpiece
Anyone have a new or used Pizka gold plated mouthpiece for sale? Must be in excellent condition. Hans: For what it's worth, it makes my Alexander 303 triple sing!! Thanks. Wilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Attn. British Horn Players - need info, please
I'm trying to find out some info about Sir William Walton's Crown Imperial. Did the band version come first, or did the orchestra version come first? Perhaps they were performed at the same time in 1937. Thanks. Wilbert in SC, USA ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Attn. British Horn Players - need info, please
Thanks, Tim. Exactly what I needed. Wilbert Tim Costen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wilbert Kimple wrote: I'm trying to find out some info about Sir William Walton's Crown Imperial. Did the band version come first, or did the orchestra version come first? Perhaps they were performed at the same time in 1937. The orchestral version is the original. As www.williamwalton.net says: Crown Imperial. First Public Performance: 12 May 1937. Westminster Abbey, London. The Coronation Orchestra, Sir Adrian Boult conductor. Played during the entry of Queen Mary, before the beginning of the Coronation Service of King George VI and Queen Elizabeth. Arranged for military band, by W. J. Duthoit. Publication: Boosey and Hawkes. Condensed score, 1937. Tim Costen ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Schill Horns
Yes, we've all seen them on ebay at fantastically low prices, but last Saturday I actually got to play one. Horrible brand name, at least to Americans. This was a four vavle single Bb, nickle silver, with screw bell. It was very solidly constructed and used thick metal on the bell. It had a nice plastic case for the money. The seller wanted $180. At first the horn played badly. Very out of tune. So, I removed the main tuning slide, reversed it, replaced it, and tried again. This improved the intonation dramatically. However, I now found the fourth line D and fourth space Eb were impossible to play. I took out the mouthpiece I was using, the one that came with the horn, and put in a Schilke 27. Bingo!!! The horn played great, nice sound, very well in tune, and the D and Eb were as solid as you could want. The valves seemed tight, at least according to the pop test. They didn't wiggle, either. The tone was a bit darker than my Alex triple, but not muffled or stuffy. The horn did have a bit more resistance than my Alex, but further mouthpiece experimentation might fix that. A very nice horn from the bottom to high C. I didn't buy it, but it would have fit my current needs very well. So, there may be some hope for Chinese horns after all. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Schill Horns
Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would reversing the tuning slide change the intonation? (I'm not doubting your experience but I don't understand how this would be the case.) -S- Steve, As has been noted here recently, tubing is not really perfectly round. In addition to that, poor soldering may leave bits of metal inside the tubing at the solder joint. Reversing the slide seems to shift the nodes and make the horn play better. It also may help on the first valve Bb, and second valve F and Bb slides of double horns. It's an old trick I learned in the 1960s from my teacher, Forrest Standley, who originally used it to make the high Bb on his Schmid respond. On a single Bb horn, where second line G is played with first valve, it can often make the G less flat, too. By the way, I also had the chance to play a Selman double horn recently. Looked great, but was totally impossible to play due to bad valve alignment. Wilbert ___ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Used Geyer Mute For Sale
For Sale: Large brass everyday mute said to have been made by Carl Geyer. At least three players have backed me up on this, even though the mute is not marked in any way. Very unusual design, but works great on small belled horns. Nice conversation piece, but its size makes it a bit troublesome. Best offer over $50. Write for pictures. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. Wilbert ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Ralph Hermann Solo
The Hermann Concerto has been out of print for many years. I played it when I got my master's, and wanted to play it again several years later on a faculty recital. My original copy was damaged by my dog, but I happened to find a left over copy in the files of a music store in Gettysburg PA, my wife's home town. That was twenty years ago. Look out for the high C# in the last measure. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] I believe I have found my cure for embouchure dystonia
I, too, have been having emboucher problems for the past two years. My tone seems to shake when I have to hold a long note in the middle of the staff. Since I started college as a tuba major in 1965, I went back to the tuba to see if I could still play. YES I've got a four valve Eb and can play very well. The trouble is that there isn't any group around here that I want to join on tuba. So, I keep coming back to the horn, hoping to somehow solve my shaking problem Every thing else is good - range, tone, endurance, slurs, attacks, etc., but I can't keep a steady tone in the middle of the staff. Strangely enough, above and below the staff are fine. Long tones and mouthpiece buzzing have not helped. The Pizka mouthpiece has helped me a lot, but not totally solved my problem. Any ideas? Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Need Title - NHR
Can anyone tell me the name of that delightful waltz now being used in the current Sprint telephone commercials? Thanks. Wilbert in SC [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Gail Williams Mouthpiece
Does anyone remember what Laskey size of mouthpiece Gail Willams uses? I've forgotten. Thanks. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Playing with dentures
John, I've played with dentures since 1965, and have held first chair positions since 1972. Works for me. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Attn: Paul Mansur
Paul, Could you please send me your current email address? The one I have no longer works. Thanks. Wilbert mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: French Besson Trumpets
I heard the following story from a US Army soldier, and trumpet player, who was there when the French Besson factory was liberated from the Germans in World War II. He was a close friend of mine, and played trumpet in the local symphony for some thirty years. His son plays trumpet in St. Louis, I'm told. His name was Harold Smitheman, and he passed away a couple of years ago. It seems that after the Besson factory was liberated, one of the US engineers came across the leadpipe mandrels that were used in pre war instrument producion. He noticed that the mandrels did not have an even taper, but had both hills and dips in them. Thinking them to be totally usless, the engineer put the mandrels in a lathe, smoothed them down to an even taper, and used them for some type of project. Thus the French Besson sound was lost to the world. Harold, who happened to own a French Besson protested, but rank has its privileges, and Harold lost the battle. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] cryo a horn
My Alex 309 triple was frozen several years ago by its previous owner. I never had a chance to play it before the treatment, but it plays fantastically well now. Am using a Pizka mouthpiece which gives me a broad, dark, and very large sound. The notes slot well, yet slurs are easy. The high F side of the horn, even with this large diameter mouthpiece, is very easy to play. Who would have thought? Wilbert in SC Neuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious... Does anyone heard of cryo, or cryogenics? Or has any experience with this? Here is an article I found, For the Musical Alchemist, a New Tack: Cryogenics by Terry H. Schwadron, originally on The New York Times, November 2, 1999 ( http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00912F93F5F0C718CDDA80994D1494D81 ) , reprinted at http://www.trumpetguild.org/pdf/2001journal/0101schw.pdf (And I found it, for a horn, costs about US$ 100. -- much cheeper than a hand-made horn.) Any comment? ^_^ Neuro ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Air Travel
Hello all. I need a copy of the info about taking one's instrument on a plane as a carry on ASAP. Please help. Thanks. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Demise of the Concert Band?
I was recently looking at the used tuba page on Dillon Music's web site. Several of the instruments were described as, Being from the golden age of the concert band. Judging from what's been happening here in SC, school bands are divided into two parts - the marching band, and the select wind ensemble. The concert band, if it exists, is made up of the left overs. Wilbert ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Alexander triple
Nelson, I currently play an Alex 309 triple. It's like the 107 descant I had before, but with a compensating low F side added on. This horn does everything!!! Am currently using a Pizka mouthpiece on it, which has really opened up the bottom, but has also make the area above the staff rock solid. More volume, too. For additional info, mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Gail Williams MP
Sorry, I trashed the last email. Who makes the Gail Williams mouthpiece and do they have a web site? Perhaps someone has a Pizka MP for trial or sale? My Neil Sanders MP doesn't help me a bit. I've been having some trouble for at least a year, but my control has gotten so bad the last couple of weeks that I'm thinking of changing back to tuba! At least I can control that. Thanks. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] things on my horn
I've seen players that keep a couple pieces of knotted valve string tied to their horn. Don't know where they keep the screw driver. Perhaps in a flask? Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] For Sale: Geyer Brass Practice Mute
Please pardon the dual posting. I have for sale, to the best offer, a Geyer brass practice mute. It really looks strange, but it fits perfectly in the bell of my Alex and it really works. A few dents, and some lacquer missing. Mail for pictures. mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Another Scam????
Anyone out there getting offers to buy stuff you have advertised from Lizzy Kelly? I keep getting letters from her about a case I have listed, and the last letter looks a bit strange - bad english, insists on paying by check, etc. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] King Bb Horns
As a person who used a Paxman single Bb with F extension as my main horn, and a King single Bb as my back up horn for a couple of years in college, I offer the following observations. First of all, yes, the stop valve slide on a King Bb horn is longer than those on other makes of single Bb horns. On most Bb horns, the stop slide is two thirds to three fourths the length of the first valve slide. This length is perfect for playing stopped horn, as it transposes the pitch down the correct amount. The H extension can be removed, the rest of the slide replaced, and the horn can then be put into A, allowing one to play in E horn without transposing. One can also pull the slide and H extension out to a bit longer than the first valve slide, and you can play Eb horn parts without transposing. But, due to the small bell throat size of the King Bb, the stop slide needs to be longer than the above makes in order to bring the stopped King horn down to pitch. My horn had a stop slide about a half an inch shorter than the first valve slide. Yet, stopping was perfectly in tune, given my hand size and the bell throat size of the King. I've also seen lots of Kings where the second valve slide, the one with the pull ring, got traded with the slide used on the stop valve. Perhaps if you trade these two slides, you will find that the stop slide might become a bit shorter than the first valve slide, like it should be. On the King, first impressions won't work. Experiment a while. Also, if the person who just purchased a King single Bb, with a blue case lining, from ebay a week ago decides they don't want it, please contact me. I fell asleep during the last hour of bidding. Mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Current Conn 8Ds
Try the Conn 9D. It's probably the best of both worlds. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Signs of leaky valves?
--- Carl Bangs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even better is to pull out the slide, seal the tube with your finger, and blow with the valve depressed. Even better still, cover the tube with your finger and suck air through the mouthpiece. If you can create a vaccuum in your cheeks, fine. If air leaks into your mouth, you probably need a valve job. Also, grab the valve stem and try to move it to and fro. If you can't move the stem, great. If it moves you have end play, and the valves may need replated. At the very least, the bearings will need tightened. Wilbert in SC This will give you an idea of how bad the leak is. In my opinion, a little leakage is not the end of the world. The air will take the path of least resistance, that is the open valve port. Bill Gross wrote: Try this with one of the valves, without depressing the valve pull the tuning slide out as far as it will go, then depress the valve. You should hear a pop when the valve opens. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Linda Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 5:22 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Signs of leaky valves? From the player's viewpoint, what are the signs and symptoms suggestive of valves that are leaking? Are there some tests that can be done at home to confirm one's suspicions prior to taking the horn to a repair technician-artist? Thanks, Linda ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bangs%40cet.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Howard Hanson Symphony #2- Romantic
Actually, I've given this a lot of thought now that I'm pushing 60. I credit Hanson No. 2 with getting me to take up the horn. As a high school student, and tuba player, I was heavily into electronics. I was always trying to log radio stations that were further and further away from my home in WV. One night I found a Detroit AM radio station that played a recording of the Romantic. (Yes, Virginia, AM radio used to play good music, not this mindless dribble they call talk radio.) I was thrilled. Never had I heard such lush harmonies. I did not know what instrument produced that special sound, but I had to find out. Our high school band only had one horn player, and she wasn't very good. Anyway, after playing in the WV all state band and finding out what a horn really sounded like, I knew I had to become a music major. I give up my plan to become an electrical engineer. My father thought that was fine, my mother was horrified and to her dying day never really understood. When I got to West Virginia University, there was a lack of hornplayers, and they gave me a full scholarship to change from tuba to horn. I have never regretted that change. Oh, the glorious sound of a good horn section! Sadly, the Romantic has fallen out of favor the last twenty years or so, but I've played it several times and it never fails to be magical. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Best Musical Experience
This happened perhaps twenty years ago. At the time I was playing first horn with the Spartanburg, SC Symphony, and Hanson's Second Symphony, the Romantic, was on the program, along with an overture and a piano concerto. I had sent my tux the to cleaners, picked it up, and was getting dressed at 7 pm, only to find that the cleaners had forgotten to return my bow tie. I frantically drove all over town, and finally persuaded one store,just closed, to open again and sell me a tie. I arrived at the hall with five minutes to spare, and parked in the first spot I saw. I ran in, sat in my chair, no warm up, and played the best I have ever played in my life. In fact the whole orchestra seems to have been turned on that night, and musically it was a first class experience. What a horn section! After the concert, I found that my car had been towed for improper parking, along with about twenty other player's cars. It seems that many of us were running late that night, and the adrenain really must have been pumping due to the time factor. We each had to pay $125 to get our cars returned. I got back home, only to find that my bow tie had been in my coat pocket all the time. The cleaners had forgotten to tell me where it was. I've always wondered if the performance would have gone as well as it did if it had been a normal evening. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] worst piece of music!
For me the piece I dislike the most is Stars and Stripes Forever. Not only have I played it several thousand times, but most conductors don't know how to do it correctly. They should listen to the Sousa Band's recording. I have the original 78 rpm disk, but I know it's been re-issued on CD someplace. By the way, Leroy Anderson was the band director at either Harvard or Yale. I can never remember. Many of his works were originally written for the concert band and later adapted for the Boston Pops Orchestra. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Copying of orchestra parts
Here in South Carolina, USA, it is much the same way. My wife, also a horn player, has one rehearsal this coming Saturday, with the concert on Sunday. It's very common for that type of thing in this area. In fact, I've played a few concerts with no rehearsals! It's all about saving money and the visual impression of having the orchestra all dressed up on stage. Sadly, it's not about the quality of the musical performance. Of course, this group of musicians has played together for years in this manner, so we are used to this type of work. Wilbert --- Jonathan West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, how good must be your orchestra as they do a concert with two or three rehearsals ONLY, while world class orchestras have five to six rehearsals (public dress rehearsal included) for a concert program . Not in Britain they don't! British orchestras are perpetually broke and cannot afford that kind of lavish expenditure on rehearsal. Regards Jonathan West -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 02/12/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Hey, This Looks Pretty Much Like Alexander 103
I had one of these Besson horns in silver plated brass. According to the serial number it was made in the mid 1960s. It had quite a few dents and re-soldered joints, but played VERY well. So well, in fact, that a Pro player bought it from me. I had hoped to keep the horn, but he wanted it badly and made me a good offer. Said he liked the tone much more than any of the several Alex 103s he had. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Buzzing without the Mouthpiece
My teacher, Forrest Standley, often told me that he buzzed on the bus rides to various gigs, but he never told me the range he buzzed in. buzzing range never came up in lessons, and I always got the feeling that he didn't consider it as important as other teachers did. I have a very low buzz, but play first horn 99% of the time. My wife has a very high buzz, and plays second or fourth 99% of the time. Go figure! Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece boosters
--- Larry Jellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone use the Denis Wick mouthpiece booster? What does it do for you that you like? When I first got my Denis Wick booster, I like it a lot. I was able to play louder, and everything seemed to center better. The tone sounded darker, too. I quickly found out, after a couple of weeks, that having the booster on my mouthpiece made me get tired very quickly, like after fifteen or twenty minutes of playing. I removed it, and was back to normal in a couple of days. I do use, and recommend, the tone rings that Moosewood sells. Sure, they don't work in every situation, but when the work, they really work. I do not get tired using them, either. The main advantage, I find, is that they make everything more stable. Wilbert in SC (Who now has a roommate for AL) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Conductors
I've held back as long as I can, but no more Mister nice guy. I am a horn player AND a conductor, and proud of it. In fact, I enjoy the conducting more than the playing, but God has been kind, and at age 59 I can still pop out those high e's above the staff. I'm good to the bottom of the horn, too. I play first in two local orchestras and one community band. I also play first in the area's local professional summer band, and have for more than 25 years. From what people tell me, I'm an excellent conductor. In fact, last month I was rehired for next season in front of the orchestra at our dress rehearsal for the final concert of this season. I not only got a standing ovation from the orchestra, but our audience at that concert was the largest in the seventeen year history of the orchestra. Well over 1,000 people. (Pat myself on back, here). I also have been an arranger for more than thirty years, along with the various orchestras and bands I have conducted during that time. I've even conducted at IHS workshops. (Oh horror of horrors!) So.What's the deal? I know my craft(s), people like what I do, and I'm well paid for it. If it's the truth, you're not braggin' Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: I forgot
By the way, I'm off to conduct the musical West Side Story tonight. Getting well paid for that, too. Played a band concert in the park last night, and have rehearsal Tuesday night for Thursday night's pro band concert. Who says you can't do both? Wilbert ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Who's attending the Symposium?
Due to my college's summer session, and their need for me to be on campus, I will only be able to attend the workshop for two, or possibly three days. The trouble is, I don't know which days to go. I have not seen a detailed schedule of who is giving what lecture on what day, nor have I seen a schedule of who's playing what on which day. If anyone has this info, please send it to me. The web site has yet to list this information. Thanks. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Decongestants' impact on horn playing
I have found that certain decongestants make my playing worse too. Some decongestants work by making the blood vessels smaller. That would not only reduce blood flow to the lip, but raise your blood pressure, too. Some decongestants do not bother my playing. Benedryl and Zyrtec come to mind. Zyrtec is especially good, for me, because it does not cause dry mouth. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Decongestants' impact on horn playing
Claritin actually makes my playing worse. My constant nasel drip becomes a thick mucus. Great topic, right? Sorry about the decongestant/antihistamine mix up. Wilbert ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb
--- G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Just out of curiousity...how many of you play a double horn that stands in Bb as opposed to F? Gary Bb all the way since 1965. I was a tuba major in college, but changed to horn my freshman year. My teacher was Forrest Standly, who played his Schmidt in Bb, and lent me one of his back up horns, which was also in Bb. Since that time I've owned Paxman, Hoyer, Knopf, Geyer, Alexander, Finke, Schmidt, Schmid and other horns, and they have all been in Bb. Doesn't matter if they are single, double, descant or triple horns, Bb works for me, even playing fourth part. Did Brahms 4th and Carmen Suites 1 2 on our last concert, and instead of my normal first position, I chose to play fourth. First has become boring after thirty-five years. No problem at all with my Alex triple. Those low Ds and even lower Gs popped right out. As my third player, who is quite young said, Awsome. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] triple horns
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is the world going to triple horns? I would be interested in people's thoughts on the triple horn. Sorry if this has been discussed in detail before. Ron Although I've heard that triple horns are the way of the future for at least twenty years, I have to say that now, I think it's true. I've been a semi-pro for more than thirty years, and during that time have owned two Finke triples, one Schmid triple, and now an Alex triple (Fantistic Horn!!) I can honestly say that my mind and body seem to work better on a triple than any other type of instrument. It rests in Bb - one thumb change to low F, the other thumb change to high F. Yes, I've used singles, doubles and descants that rested in Bb all my life, but the triple horn seems to let me play my best. If you think about the harmonic series, one tends to use certain partials on the low F horn, those same partials on the Bb horn, and those same partials again on the high F or Eb horn. That, alone, should be one factor that contributes to greater accuracy. Yes, there are tone and intonation problems to contend with, on some triple horns, but then we have those problems on any horn. The weight problem has been conquered, especially using a compensating triple with hollow (or Finke's composite) valves, so can the other problems be far behind? Wilbert in SC (With too much free time for my own good today) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: FW: [Hornlist] triple horns
--- arsmiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an adult member of the amateur part of the world, I have to wonder if triples could ever become affordable AND uncompromised. I know affordable is extremely relative, but if nice new doubles can be had for $2500-3500, what would a triple have to sell for to make a run in the amateur market, $3500-4500? I told you I had too much free time, today. I've seen several used Yamaha triple horns listed, and sold, for $5000. That's close to your $4500 limit. Also, given economics, if the demand rises someone out there will find a way to bring the price down. Wilbert ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Repair Shops
I can second the praise given both Dave W. and Bob O. They have gone the extra mile for me in the past, especially Dave, since he's closer to me. Ken P., in Boston, has also been very helpful via email, and Ray at Wichita Band was very helpful lately when I was looking for a good, used triple horn and Alexander Cabin Case. Our horn world is blessed with these fine gentlemen, not to mention Walter Lawson, who took time from his work years ago to teach me how to solder and remove dents correctly. He also showed me his work on leadpipes, which was just beginning at that time. I am most grateful for these fine men, and only wish I had more money to spread around among them. Are there any ladies in this business? Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Andromeda - full recording?
Andromeda is actually the re-named slow movement from the Beethoven Woodwind Quintet. Played it many a time. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Andromeda Again
Yes, the same melody is also used in his sextet. WK --- Wilbert Kimple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andromeda is actually the re-named slow movement from the Beethoven Woodwind Quintet. Played it many a time. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Lidl Descant
Anyone out there ever play a Lidl descant? There's one on ebay right now that interests me, mainly because it's cheap. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn for Sale
Please pardon this duel posting. A friend of mine is trying to sell his horn quickly. It's a Holton 378, three years old, in excellent condition. The only flaw is a mark on the third valve F slide where a brace has been resoldered. Otherwise the horn is like new. It has just been chemically flushed, and the valves were removed and cleaned. It comes with a Stork C 15 mouthpiece, which I feel works best on this horn. I've played it and it plays well. A great first double or a nice horn for a community band player. He's asking $1250, but may deal a bit. Horn will be on ebay soon. Please contact me at: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for your support. Wilbert ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn for Sale
Took me a while, but I got it. I'm a musician, not a speller. Wilbert --- Fred Baucom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 20 pacesweapon of choice: Holton 378's Wilbert Kimple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please pardon this duel posting. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Giardinelli out of business?
--- John Dutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know what the status is of Giardinelli mouthpieces? As I understand it, Giardinelli mouthpieces are now being made by the Holton company. With the recent sale of Holton, who knows what's going on. All I know is I ordered five S 16 cups, they arrived, and each of them measured different...VERY DIFFERENT! Stork is probably the only place to get a true, original Giardinell cup, since he once worked for them in the New York City store. I think Moosewood might have some templates available, too. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: Horn Resistance/Impedance
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander horns have about the same impedance as my horns. This requires more work for the first three to six months, but after that period you will be able to enter with any dynamic at will, from the smoothest pianissimo to the most ringing fortissimo. Having tried a Pizka horn on many occasions, and having played both an Alexander double and descant for many years, including now, I can say that the above statement is 100% correct. Once one really masters a good Alex, or similar German horn, there is no going back. American horns now seem so difficult for me to control, with the possible exception of Yamaha, which are assembled in Michigan. Paxman horns, with the small bell, might be a close second to the Alex, but I've only had a chance to play those with the larger bells. Say, does anyone know who is selling the used Alex triple at Osmun? Has anyone played it? Love to add it to my ensemble and perhaps get rid of my other horns. Wilbert in SC mailto[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece Bore Size
--- Jay Kosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me (amateur player, not particularly strong..), using a mpc with too large throat causes airy sound and short endurance, especially in the upper range. Bore size of about 11-12 is most useful for me, on Y668N. Walter Lawson strongly recommends a size 11 bore on his cups, but will go to a 9 or 10, if asked. The last I heard, he will not drill anything larger. When I was in college in the late 1960s, the theory was use a small bore mouthpiece with a large bore horn. Both my wife and I have experimented with this idea over the years, and at one time we were both using size 4 bores (Giardinelli and Atkinson,) with average results. Now, I'm on a size 16 with my Alexander, and she's using a 14 on her 8D, and our playing has not only improved, but become much more stable. We also blend better. Been using these sizes for at least ten years. Different makes, at times, but always small bore. Wilbert in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Mouthpiece Needed
Anyone out there have an older MY 15 mouthpiece for sale? Need one immediately. The older ones had a slightly smaller shaft, which I need for one of my European horns. The current ones don't fit quite right. Thanks. Wilbert in SC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Possible Scam on Hornplayer.net
Please pardon the dual posting. I have uncovered a possible scam using our favorite site, hornplayer.net. I currently have a horn for sale listed on that site. I was contacted by a potential buyer named, Helen Howard. She wanted to pay me several thousand dollars more than I was asking for the horn, and then have me return the excess cash to her. She would then send someone to my house to pick up the horn. She called this person her P. a, whatever that is. This person's English was unclear, so I wrote her back. I got an easier to read letter, but it still sounds like she wants to wash some funds through me. I refused. Just thought all of you should know. I'm certain that Robin does not have a hand in this, but it still would be wise for all of use to check out such offers carefully. Ebay, it seems, is not the only problem area. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Why 8D and not 9D
I personally feel, after having tried quite a few, that the 9D is a far better horn than the new 8D. In fact, at the last two horn workshops I attended, the 9D horns at the Conn table sold, while the 8D horns went unsold. Wilbert in SC --- Roberto Casalone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hy everyone, I'm an italian hornist who have bought a 9DY from Conn. I'm looking for american hornist and the istruments used by american was 8D, 10D, 11D... but not 9D. My question is: WHY? Best regards Roberto No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.3 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Screech horns
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, hornophiles-- I was listening to a performance of the Schumann Horn Konzerstueck and trying not to get depressed about how far I am from ever achieving that level of playing when a thought occurred: What kind of horn would the first horn, whose part goes up to at least a high Z, play? A hornette? A picolo horn? Jonathan Yoder (For whom playing an A above the staff is a victory) I've seen it done a couple of times with a standard double horn on the first part. Most of the time, including the two times I've done it, a descant horn is used. Mine is an alexander 107 in Bb and high F. Phil Myers (NY Phil) used his Schmid Bb high Eb when I heard his section do it live two years ago. The highest notes in the piece are a couple of high Es, three ledger lines above the treble staff. They are in the third movement, and one of them is really optional, at least in my arrangement. Actually, in many ways, the second horn, which has to go to a high B, has the hardest part, since it is out of their normal range. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Screech horns - Schumann
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooops, oops, Wilbert, I am sorry about your ears. This piece goes up to high e3 (first third mov.) and several high c3 (31) high d3 (3) are part of the first part. Did you tune down your arrangement ? Just a half step ? Hans, The Arrangement of the Schumann I have was published by International Music Company in 1968, (editor unknown) and the last time I performed it was some three years ago. No, it has not been transposed down!!! I have the music in front of me now, and, in this arrangement, I find no high e3s or d3s for the first part in the first movement. The third movement does have two e3s, one (with an optional rest) 19 measures after letter Q, and the other (with an optional octave down passage) five measures from the end of the third movement. At the age of 58, with more than 30 years of first horn orchestral playing behind me, I feel I am more than qualified to perform this work, and have always been able to play the e3s as they appear in my arrangement. You may have access to other, more exact versions, but I do not. I am not a full time pro, and not nearly as talented as you are either, and that does make a difference. Nor do I have access to a section the quality of your's - another consideration. Also, you may play lots of Strauss, etc., where the second horn goes to b above the staff, but the last time we played Strauss in this area was Don Juan, some five years ago. Otherwise, my second horn player seldom goes above a top space g. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Good Mouthpiece for a Beginning French Horn Player
I guess I'm odd man out on this one. After more than thirty years of teaching, I've settled into the Holton DC and the Bach 3 as my beginning mouthpieces of choice. Both are deeper than what others have mentioned, and both have thinner rims, too. The Bach 3 rim seems a bit strange, at first, but the results are good. Highly under rated. I also like the old Conn 7BN, not the more common 7BW. Again, it has a narrow rim. Glad to know it's still being made. Thanks Dave! Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns-a-Plenty
I tried buying three different horns from them about six months ago. It turned out that all three had been sold, but were still being listed on both their web site, and on hornplayer.net. Here it is six months later, and all three horns are still listed as for sale. Guess they need to do some work in that department. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Replating of valves
When Walter Lawson taught me how to lap valves, he said that the valve should spin freely through all 360 degrees of rotation. If a valve is properly lapped, one should be able to take the spindle, spin the valve, and it should spin around freely several times before it slows to a stop. I have seen people lap valves so that they rotate only 100 degrees or so, just enough to cover the nintey degrees that is needed during actual operation while playing the horn. I'm presuming that this is what jwdutton means. Wilbert in SC --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/4/2004 1:51:52 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A valve should be lapped for only the distance it needs to travel. Could you clarify this, please? WH ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Schmidt style horns
As I recall, there has been a Hill Schmidt model horn for sale at hornplayer.net for several months. The price is $6,000, which is quite fair, IMHO. Wilbert in SC --- Walter E. Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joyce, Karl Hill makes a very good one. Karl Pituch, Principal of the Detroit Symphony plays on one...Karl Hill is located in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Walt Lewis At 04:26 PM 9/4/2004 -0400, you wrote: Who currently makes Schmidt style horns? I just got a vintage York Schmidt style horn and it has the most comfortable change valve of any horn I've played so far. Also, the smoothness from one side of the horn to the other is wonderful. What are the best playing older model Schmidt style horns out there? Thanks. Joyce Maley http://www.chinookdogs.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wlewis9637%40wowway.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 8/19/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 8/19/2004 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] I'm back and looking for a horn
--- jdelarosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott: Get her/yourself a Yamaha single Bb with the A key I have a nearly new Yamaha 322 single Bb with F extension I might be willing to part with. The F extension comes out, and the A slide goes in, if needed. $1100. Pictures available. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wilbert ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] News flash
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wilbert gave us the following news flash: From the Greenville News, Greenville, SC November 4, 3002. * As long as you have this newpaper on hand, could you check to see if the Cubs will win the World Series any time during the next 999 years? Gotta go, Cabbage I'll be sure to look today and try to find out. It would be nice to bet on a sure thing. Sorry about the number trasposition, gang. Wilbrte ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Marching Band Again (sigh......)
Please pardon the double posting. Well gang, South Carolina has hit a new low in free public education. From the Greenville News, Greenville, SC November 4, 3002. The entire music budget for Blue Ridge High School, Choir and Band, as given by state funds and the local school board is $5,389. The rest of the $60,000 Band Budget comes from a student Music Fee of $150 per band member, plus additional fund raising. The band, which just won the State's AA marching championship, has 140 members. And so it goes. Wilbert in SC Still looking for some place Marilyn (an 8D driver) and I can to move to. Any suggestions appreciated. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: F horn/Bb horn beginner's test
As part of my Master's work in college during the early 1970s, I had to present a researched public lecture on a topic within my degree field. I chose Starting Beginners on F or Bb Horn, as my subject, and came down on the Bb side (pun intended) because I was playing a Paxman single Bb at the time, and I knew how much it had improved my playing over the double horn, a Schmidt, I had been using before the Paxman. During my research, I found that there were several studies done by the brass editor of School Musician magazine, during the 1940s, and these were printed in his monthly column. According to him, every student he started on a single Bb progressed faster, made All State Band sooner, and just simply became better players than the F group. He even took a group of his Bb players to a few national music conventions to demonstrate this fact. I believe his name was Philip W. L. Cox He later moved to Alaska, and was a member of the horn society until his death at age 90 plus. So, after all these years, I'm still pro Bb. I'm convinced it works better, especially in this day and age of parents expecting immediate results. There are seven school districts in my county, and some of them have been starting students on Yamaha single Bb horns for years. I had nothing to do with that. They simply found it worked better for them. The other districts start students directly on double horns. Still playing in Bb, too, although right now it's on an Alex 107 descant. I have been playing professionally, admitally at the outer and lower fringes, for more than thirty years, and no one has ever complained about my tone, or found it deficient in any way. Yes, I do crack a few notes every day, but my tone is fine. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] tone color etc.
In response to Hans' recent posting, I thought it was wonderful, and deserved to be posted twice. Tons of wisdom with a touch of humor. The trouble is that everything he says does work. So, in spite of my best personal efforts, and the efforts of my teachers, I have been forced to resort to some of the tricks he's listed over the years. I now play a gold brass Alex 107 descant, but with a nickle silver bell flair. (Thank you Dave W. at BrassArts.) An excellent combination for my current situation. I have, however, spent many years on both Bb and triple horns, and have had my share of krantz(es). I use a cabin case because I find it the most practical, although it is heavy. I use a custom designed silver plated mouthpiece with a very thin gold rim. Again, a combination that gives me the most comfort, and most output for the least input. I would never recommend such equipment for my students, although I want them aware that it's out there should they find the need and have the money. I recommend that all of my students buy, and stay on, a yellow brass double for as long as possible. Yamaha or the Merker horns come to mind. My two cents. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] The not so classic Conn 8D's
A local college just bought a brand new 8D this summer for its instrument inventory. One of my students, playing asst. first in one of the orchestras I'm playing first in, is using it now. It's terrible The tone is great. However, the horn is out of tune with itself, especially on some open notes, and on those notes using the third valve. Also, he suddenly finds himself unable to play pitches above the staff, something he was able to do easily on his Holton 279, which is now in the shop for repairs. A temporary mouthpiece change to a Moosewood B12 has not helped. I was not involved in the decision to purchase this Conn. The Dean of the Fine Arts Center bought it because his daughter plays an 8D, an Elkhart 8D I should add. All horns are not created equal. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] IHS
At the Indiana University IHS Convention, the IHS Secretary, Heidi Vogal, told us that she was in the process of moving from Alaska to Hawaii. That may be one reason for the delay. Wilbert Kimple SC Area Rep - IHS --- David and Wendy Hinman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I make contact with the International Horn Society? I re-newed my membership last March and the only item I have received is a membership card. Thanks, Wendy Crouse Hinman ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Hoss -- Mouthpiece pressure
Hoss, This problem is something a teacher really needs to see in person. However... Most endurance problems I have seen have to do with using the emboucher incorrectly. Those players tended to stretch out the lips as they played higher and higher. The trick is that the lips should be pushed into the mouthpiece as one gets higher, making the hole in your lips that the air comes out of smaller and smaller the higher one get. It also forces more and more muscle into the mouthpiece not only giving you more strength where it's needed, but also giving you more of a cushion against possible pressure. Your tone will improve dramatically once you learn to do this. In addition, at least according the the Farkas book, the air stream must change direction, moving downwards, as one gets higher. This air stream movement has always worked for me and my students. Always! (Sorry Hans) Find a good teacher, pay them the sixty bucks, or whatever, and find out what's causing the problem. Then, even if you can't continue lessons, you'll know what's wrong and should be given some ideas as to how to correct the problem yourself, with a mirror in front of your face while you practice. Han's idea about using a very thin rim does have merit, in my opinion. It allows the lips to move easier, and will cause pain if you are using too much pressure. The pain will, hopefully, train you to use less and less pressure. People I run into have great trouble believing how thin my rim is, and has been ever since I started playing in 1965. Wilbert in SC Off to Rehearsal -- again Playing first in two orchestras this year. Am I crazy, or what? Coming up on birthday number 57. I probably should get out of this racket, but low playing isn't in my blood. The notes are there, but the sound and accuracy isn't. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Yamaha Single Bb w/F extension For Sale
Hi Gang. I've decided to put my back up horn, a Yamaha 322 single Bb with original Yamaha F extension up for sale, and will be posting it on Hornplayer.net in a few days. You may contact me directly right now for more information, pictures, or immediate sale. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The horn plays great, but switching between my main horn, an Alex 107 and the Yamaha is difficult, because the two mouthpipe angles are not the same. The horn is in near mint condition, and I'm asking $1200. Near offers will be considered. I'll also consider partial cash and some trade items, such as a good fixed bell horn case, mutes, mouthpieces, perhaps another horn, etc. Thanks. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Ken Pope
Dave, The address you just sent is the address I have been using. No replies in the past three weeks. You did say he was going to be out of the shop for a while, but I thought I waited long enough before I started sending my letters. After all, he has been posting to the list, so I presumed he was back. The address on his postings is the same as you gave me, too, but perhaps he only uses that one for sending stuff, and uses another address for other things. Guess I'll keep trying. Thanks. Wilbert --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/30/2003 6:39:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have an email address for Ken Pope? He doesn't seem to be answering the address I've been using. Ken is at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave Weiner ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Alex serial #'s
--- Jeremy Ristow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where would the serial number be located on an Alexander? Thanks. Alexander followed the tradition of most German makers and did not put serial numbers on their horns for many years. I had a serial number on my Alexander 200, which the Alexander company finally told me was made 1991. If it's an older Alex, there probably isn't a number. My Alex 107, now my main horn, does not have a number. The previous owner told me it was fifty or sixty years old. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Old Alex 103 - Indiana Univ
Does anyone who went to Bloomington happen to remember which dealer had the fifty or sixty year old Alexander 103 for sale? I was a bit rushed at the time, but I remember that it seemed to play identically to my fifty year old 107 descant, so I'd be interested in giving it another try. I know it was brass, but I don't remember anything else, the price, lacquer, type of bell, etc. Sorry. Thanks. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] shipping horns
The first time I ever heard of shipping the horn without the case was from Walter Lawson some thirty years ago. Don't know if he still believes it doing it that way, or not. Wilbert in SC -- Just back from IU ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] CONN 28D
I recall seeing some Conn serial numbers stamped into the bar that holds the three finger levers. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Big Lips vs. Smaller Lips
I started my musical adventures playing clarinet in the fifth grade. My family moved when I started eighth grade, and my new band director asked me to change from clarinet to tuba. I was a poor clarinet player, at best, and he needed tubas for the band. Many said I would be unable to play tuba because my top lip is very thin. Yet, I made the West Virginia All State Band, and got into the music school at West Virginia University, all on tuba. While at WVU, I was asked to change to horn, because they had tons of tubas, but few horns. They gave me a full scholarship to make the change, and, being no dummy, I took the money and changed. Again, some said I would not succeed, this time because my bottom lip was too big! Well, that was more than thirty five years ago, and I'm still playing horn, quite well, thank you very much. I've heard stories that Mr. Ashby had this burning desire to play the horn from an early age, and that most told him he would not succeed. Well, he's been in one of the world's greatest orchestras for years, and is probably laughing all the way to the bank. As Dave from Brassarts said, he's a very nice guy, and one fantastic player. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] The Naming of Horns
My wife's 8D is named Sig, short for you know who. I've named a couple of my horns in the past, but my two current horns are both nameless, except for Yamaha and Alexander. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Who is going to Bloomington?
We'll be there on Thursday and Friday only. Well, maybe an hour of shopping on Saturday morning, too Wilbert Kimple Marilyn Graves Kimple Spartanburg SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Horn Evaluations
--- Russ Smiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig wrote: Indeed, Russ' reference to Consumer's Reports points to a need we have in the larger horn community: the need to have access to independent evaluations of instruments. equipment. So, where is the Hornplayer's (Consumers) Report? Some kind of independent evaluation would be really valuable for many of us (and our students.) Russ' suggestion of an independent compilation is great: but who might undertake a project like this? = Wouldn't it be great if the IHS could sponsor some graduate horn student to conduct a scientifically valid poll? It could make an interesting thesis. Russ I, for one, was interested in undertaking such a project. I proposed an evaluation process to the IHS many years ago, but was told the IHS did not want to get into recommending one horn over another, let alone one brand over another. I felt that every horn coming off of the production line should be evaluated, with the permission of the maker, for construction, finish, valve compression, and intonation. If the horn met these basic criteria, it would get some type of approval sticker saying that the horn was judged as a quality instrument by an independent evaluator. This was not meant to say that one horn was better than another, but simply that the horn had been judged to meet certain basic standards. We all know that every horn plays differently, so that was not to be part of the evaluation. As I recall, there are certain basic construction standards that MENC (Music Educator's National Conference) adopted for stringed instruments years ago, and I was hoping to emulate that for horns. I found a total lack of interest in this seal of approval project, or was it fear? Right now, we have the fox guarding the hen house, so to speak, since makers use their own testers, paid for by the company, for these evaluations. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: The IHS Symposium at Indiana Univ
One topic of conversation that came up several times among people at the recent Southeastern Horn Workshop, was the fact that the IU workshop seems to be trying to rip people off, financially. $50 a night for a shared dorm room??? No meal ticket plan at one of the school cafeterias??!! Not exactly something that will encourage middle class players or college students faced with constantly rising tuitions to attend. The dorm rate for married couples is $44 per person, per night. No bargin there, either. I got a single room at a Howard Johnson Express in Columbus GA for the Southeastern Workshop, and it only cost me $35 a night. Had a fridge, microwave, cable TV, was clean, and I got a free Continental breakfast, too. Just an easy five minute drive from the workshop site. Worked for me. Noticed that IU's Natural Horn Workshop and their Prepare for a College Audition workshop also seem to have very high fees, at least high to me. I would doubt that the music school has any control on this, (It's probably being run by Continuing Education) but high costs are not the way to draw in large masses of participants. I'm still planning to go, since I've been saving for it, but I'm not a happy camper about the expense. The Workshop fee, itself, seems fair, given that the cost of everything has risen. However, no provision has been made for a reduced fee for spouses, something that may keep my wife Marilyn (the 8D player) from chosing to attend. As I recall, reduced fees for spouses have been, more or less, traditional. BTW, I tried downloading the IU workshop schedule on both a Mac and a PC. It's in PDF format, and all I get is a bunch of gray lines. Anyone got a copy of the schedule they could send me? Thanks. Wilbert ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Musician's Medical Injuries
Just read the Washington Post article on the medical injuries that musicians face. What is Horn Player's Palsy, that was refered to in the article? Is it the same as Bell's Palsy? Thanks. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Up-close sound Yet Again
An example of this up close sound - in the hall sound effect was demonstrated at the recent Southeastern Horn Workshop. Peter Kurau (Prof of Horn at Eastman) is an 8D player, himself. He was working with a very talented college (sorry University!!) student during his master class. The student was also playing an 8D. The student played her solo (1st movement, Sonata by Hindemith) fairly well, and then he began his comments. The thing he delt with most during his ten minute critique was the fact that the student should produce more, and more, AND MORE sound. The trouble was that Ms. Bennett, from Vanderbilt University, was already producing a TON of fabulous sound out in the hall, far more than Mr Kurau, himself, produced during his recital the night before. Yet, aparently, to him, sitting beside of her, she was not loud enough. It eventually became far too loud in the hall, covering up the piano entirely, and still he continued to tell her to play out even more. I thought of saying something, or asking a question to this effect, but bit my tongue. Wish I could have seen him privately afterwards to discuss the matter. I know my wife Marilyn, an 8D driver for 33 years, often says that she doesn't like my tone when I'm practicing. She always says I'm too harsh. But the recordings show no harshness at all, and conductors always comment very positively on my tone, the most recent being a guest conductor we had in February for the Rach 2nd Piano Concerto. Now that's a solo!! Just another mystery that will hopefully be solved in the afterlife. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Southeastern Workshop Review
Please pardon the cross posting to both lists. Paul Mansur asked for a review of the recent Southeastern Horn Workshop held in Columbus, GA. I was there on both Friday and Saturday, so here are some observations. One man's opinion, of course. First of all, finding the workshop location was very easy. Internet directions were clear, where to park was clear (right across the street in a parking garage,) and registration went smoothly. I had not pre-registered, but that presented no problem. Dr. Kristen Hansen did a fantastic job putting this workshop together, and helped me personally, via email, several times, always with a smile. There were an abundance of practice rooms and rest rooms available, too. Facilities were excellent, with the recital hall located right behind the registration table, and the smaller studio theater right in front of the registration table. The larger 2,000 seat concert hall was not used for this workshop, but had other activities going on in it at the same time as the workshop. Excellent soundproofing All other sessions and exhibits were held in the Music School, which is attached to the three auditorium River Center complex, and was just a thirty second walk away, at most. There were a couple of small glitches, time changes, etc., but these were smoothly handled. I was very impressed at how well organized this workshop was. One thing that bothered me was the lack of exhibits. As I've said recently, I'm in a period of equipment transition, and was hoping to try a lot of horns and mouthpieces at this workshop. Conn was there, as was Holton. Wichita Band was there but only brought four horns - two Paxman doubles and two Alexander doubles. Yamaha horns, as well as other brands such as Hoyer, Finke, King, etc., were not represented. There were not mutes, or used instruments for trial, either. I presume this is yet another indicator of our weakened economy. Five music dealers were at the workshop, and prices continue to rise. I recently purchased a solo for one of my students at a local music store for $1.95. The price at the workshop was $5.00. My advice, as it has been in the past, is to raid your local stores for any usable music you can find that may still available at the old, lower prices, and buy it. Terry Warburton, of Warburton Mouthpieces in Florida, had the only mouthpieces available for trial. Terry did a presentation, and then set up in the exhibit hall on Friday. After trying his stuff on Friday, and again on Saturday, I ordered both a rim and cup from him. His prices are not cheap, but the workmanship is fantastic. Warburton is best know for his trumpet mouthpieces, but give the horn mouthpieces a try. I hope the combination I chose will serve me well. Leather Specialties Company, of Smyrna, GA was there, and this is the first time I had seen there stuff. If you want a hand guard for a specific horn, a strap to help hold your horn, or mouthpiece pouches, this is the place to go, period!! Featured recital performers and master class artists were Peter Kurau (Eastman School of Music), Greg Hustis, and Jeff Argrell. For my tastes, these recitals, and the Regional Artists Recitals, too, had far too much contempory music on them. Many pieces seemed to be driven by both rhythm and technique. Few works had melodies that you could leave the hall singing. I don't mind contempory music, but can't someone out there write something modern with a melody? Works for John Williams. Argrell's recital was, to a large degree, improvised, in colabration with his pianist, Evan Mazunik. I left early, and drove the five hours required to get home. Enough is enough. The one notable exception, was a marvelous performance of the Glazounov Reverie by the principal horn of the Florida Orchestra. I don't have his name in front of me, but the audience was very appreciative of this very emotional work in the middle of a lot of other stuff that might be considered noise. Three of the piano accompanists should get gold metals for their work. Vincent Fuh, Yu Chien Chen, and Tomoko Kanamaru were simply fantastic. Ms. Kanamaru deserves special mention for stepping in at the last minute to replace another pianist who was unable to attend. She performed Morceau de Concert (Saint-Saens) and the above mentiond Reverie with more musicianship in her little finger than many pianists have in their whole body. Her smile would melt an iceberg. Simply wonderful. She was the pianist for Peter Kurau's recital, and they worked exceptionally well together. Two items at this workshop show that times are changing. First, almost all of the regional artists now have Doctorates, something unheard of twenty years ago. Second, all of the college horn ensembles came from Universities, not Colleges. I do not have a doctorate, and I spent fourteen years teaching at a college. I feel it gives many people the impression that those of us who chose other career paths
[Hornlist] Need Bell
Hello all. I'm going through an instrument transition right now, and would be interested in trying out an Alexander nickel silver bell, or perhaps a Lawson bell of some sort. I'm trying to produce a bit more sound on my Alexander 107 gold brass descant with F extension. The 107 is rapidly becoming my main horn, replacing my Alex 200 double. I simply get more notes right, and don't have to work so hard. The 107's tone also blends into my section better than the 200's. I'm so close to to the sound that I want, since my recent mouthpiece change, that I feel a different bell, rather than a different horn, or yet another mouthpiece, might be just the thing. Purchasing another instrument is, however, still an option, but a bell would be cheaper. Ha Ha. There were no bells for trial at the recent Southeastern Horn Convention. Does anyone out there have a bell with Alexander threads for sale or for trial? The ones currently on hornplayer.net are a bit rich for my blood. Thanks, and sorry for the cross posting. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Lawson Horn Available?????
James, Thanks for letting me know about your Lawson. I'm trying out a new Alexander 303 triple in Atlanta on Wednesday. My wife, Marilyn, the 8D driver, does not want me to spend that much money, and suggested going for a Bb horn instead. I used a Paxman Bb with F extension for the first ten years of my professional life, and feel comfortable playing Bb horns. So, if I'm going to consider a Bb, I might as well consider the best. I'll let you know if the triple does not work out. Meanwhile, you can figure out how much you want for the Lawson. Thanks. Hope all is well. Wilbert --- James R. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I traded a very good Alexander 103 in nickel silver for this horn at least I think it was. It is in lacquered brass with an ambronze bell. It is a 5 valve Bb with the F valve and a muting valve.or an Eb valve. If you are interested in this horn it is in like new condition. - Original Message - From: Wilbert Kimple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:57 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Lawson Horn Available? Hello gang. I seem to remember a Lawson single Bb with F extension and C valve being listed on hornplayer.net for the longest time. I now have the cash to buy that horn, but the listing is no longer there. I think it was still available even as late as last week. Does anyone know what happened to this horn, or know the seller? Might it still be available? There is a Paxman of similar design listed, but it's in the UK and I'm in the USA. Don't want to get into international shipping unless I have too. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bcollins%40huntingdon.edu ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Asthma and the horn
Kerri, I have had mild asthema for more than ten years. I find that I have the most trouble when I'm not playing the horn!! If I lay off for a couple of days, I really start to feel the tightness and fluid in my chest. In fact, as a former high school band director, I often had beginning band students whose doctor told them to start playing a wind instrument in order to develop better breathing habits and to clear the lungs. Still, ask your doctor, just to make sure. Wilbert Kimple Retired Faculty Converse College School of Music Spartanburg SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: horns H179
As some of you may remember, I am not, and never have been, a big fan of Holton double horns, especially the 179. Most of the ones I've heard, played, and briefly owned, have had a big, woffy, unfocused sound, that may have sounded OK up close, but lost its power at the edge of the stage. It seems that most Holtons don't blend well in a mixed brand horn section, but usually work fine in an all Holton section. I feel that the smaller belled H 177 is a far better instrument than the more popular 179, at least for my tastes. Holton's lack of quality control has been an issue for many years, so one must really check closely for proper assembly, and play test the instrument carefully in order to see that all notes are playable and in tune. Most Holtons also tend to go sharp the higher up in the staff you play. Your right hand position must be adjusted accordingly, in fact bent into an L in order to correct this trend. Also, Holton claims that their horns are built at A=445, and so, the whole range of the horn is sharp for most people. Holton sells a slide kit in order to bring the horn down to A=440. Strange! Having said all of that, one of my adult students has the best 179 I've ever played. A nice, warm, focused sound, the intonation is great, and the horn has a full four octave range. While not my style of horn, it out plays every other 179 I've seen over the past twenty or thirty years. I feel, and have stated many times, that the Merker-Matic horns are much more to my liking, than the 179s. I especially like the Merker with the rose brass bell. Looks classy and plays great. My experience has shown that the performance of many Holton horns can be improved by using a Bach 3 mouthpiece, or one of Moosewood's fine selection of mouthpieces specifically made for Holton horns. My two cents. Your milage (and personal tastes) may vary. (Seems like I just posted something similar to this on the other horn list.) Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: NHR -- Friday Humor (???) From South Carolina, USA
I'm hoping that some of you might get a good chuckle out of the following news from my fair state. The following Valentine's Day ad appeared in the February 12th issue of The State Newspaper from Columbia, SC, our state capital. Section C, page 8. Buy a Gunny for your Honey! Super Special $434.99. Ammo Sale - 1,000 round case just $79.80. Huge shipment of used guns has arrived. Our former Governor, (called Elmer Fudd by the press due to a remarkable similarity in both looks and voice, among other things) was a tax cutting Democrat (yes, there are such things). He cut the taxes so much that last year a 5% accross the board budget cut, some $246 million dollars, was required for all state agencies. The South Carolina State Constitution requires a balanced budget. Our new Governer, a Republican, has just announced an additional 3.7% cut in funds, some $170 million dollars. This has placed public school education in conflict with its own laws. There is a state regulation that requires a specific student to teacher ratio be maintained in our classrooms. Due to this recent budget cut, funds are no longer available to hire the teachers to maintain this ratio. Our Governor's mansion will be closed for several months, probably till June or July, due to lack of funds to keep it open. The Governor and his family will be allowed to live in one wing, but will have to do their own cooking and cleaning. Food and money, as well as cleaning services, are now being donated to the Governor in order to help him get through the next few months. True The High School graduation rate for South Carolina has reached a new high of 65%! Wow!! This was reported in the above issue of the State Newspaper. On a musical note, yet another local orchestra has undergone a political upheaval. The long time conductor has been fired, over the objections of the players. All players have been required to re-audition for new positions. The first horn player, who had been there some eight years, was a Farkas student, and has a DMA in horn performance from Indiana University, lost her chair, and didn't even make the section. This is the fourth local orchestra to undergo such a change in the last ten years. Oh for an effective Musician's Union in the area. God, I wish I could get out of this place. Have a nice day. Wilbert (from you know where) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Alexander 403s
John, I've owned an Alex 200 for some eight years now, and love it. Without a doubt it's the finest double I've ever had. It did, however, take a while to find a mouthpiece that gave me the same volume above the staff that I had on the rest of the horn. I finally settled on a Bach 10 cup, cut and threaded to fit my rim. I also had fairly good luck with a Bach 7S, and the Moosewood B 12. I've also owned a couple of excellent descants and one great triple, but the 200 has been my best double ever, beating out an Alex 103, an 8D that had been used in the LA Philharmonic, a Schmidt out of the Pittsburgh Symphony, a Paxman from the Boston Symphony, a Geyer double, and various model Holtons. As to the Alex 403, I've only played two of them, both at workshops, and both provided by Wichita Band. I was not impressed. Didn't like the left hand feel, didn't like the rather wimpish tone, could not get as loud as I would have liked, and the horn just did not seem to be nimble. I couldn't jump or slur large intervals as easily as I would have liked. By the way, my 200 is gold brass and lacquered, as were the 403s I tried. In my opinion gold brass or Lawson's Ambronze are the best horn metal formulas to date. Neither nickel silver nor yellow brass gives me the sound and feel I want. The new Merker-Matic, the one with the rose brass bell, however, comes very close to what I want in a horn, and I would add that to your short list of horns to consider. Just my opinion. Wilbert ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: More on the (possible) war NHR
--- Pete Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a sugestion for those of you that have such a vitriolic hatred of our president Hey Pete Wake up and read what is being said here!! I don't recall any posting saying that people on this list hated President Bush. Any President that got us through nine eleven can't be all bad. I, for one, am simply asking for balanced information and a better explanation of any decisions that are to be made. I spent two years in the Air Force during the Vietnam Era, and would like better justification now than I got then. Remember the old Domino theory? It never worked out. The Communists did NOT take over all of South East Asia. In fact, from what I hear, Vietnam is now a very calm, civilized country - a tourist destination, even. Could the USA have perhaps been (gasp!!) wrong back then? If wrong then, why not now? The rest of the world is starting to look upon our President, if not our whole country, as a Loose Cannon. Can so many millions of people really be totally wrong in this day of instant communication? As Joe Friday often said, Just the facts. That's all I want, and frankly, I'm not getting them to my satisfaction. Wilbert ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NHR - The upcoming war
Prof. Pizka, I, for one, am saddened by the fact that none of the news services here in the USA have given any coverage of the interview you mentioned. We, or at least I, have never heard of the defection of the son's double, nor of his statements. That's one reason why I often listen to short wave radio. It gives me a better perspective of what the rest of the world is thinking. The prevailing information I hear is all slanted towards going to war. Local radio stations here in the conservative south run station promo's several times every hour with themes like, Operation Enduring Freedom, or Gulf War Updates Every Hour! We aren't even at war. Even the so called liberal press seems to be shying away from most questioning of USA policy. Those few voices we do hear against the war are either not given much coverage, or are made to look like idiots by various commentators. As much as I respect Colin Powell, and feel he would make a great president, his presentation to the United Nations simply did not convince me that Sadam had his sights on South Carolina in the next month. Being a Libra (the scales), I'd like to hear both sides of the question, and I am not being given that privledge. Here in the USA we have something called, Talk Radio. It is at least 90% conservative, and here in the south none of the moderate or more liberal shows are even broadcast. The local newspapers aren't much better. I have not made up my mind about the war, yet, but I do know that the USA does seem to be placing all of its efforts into the middle east. What about Korea, or the crisis in South America? There are trouble spots in Africa, too. Sadly, all of these need our attention at the same time. I'll stop preaching, now, and I'm sorry if I've offended anyone. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Horn Repair Ethics
Meanwhile, that Carl Beyer horn on eBay (Item # 2507014258 ) looks like it's actually marked Carl Geyer, Chicago. ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Re: Horn Repair Ethics
Meanwhile, that Carl Beyer horn on eBay (Item # 2507014258 ) looks like it's actually marked Carl Geyer, Chicago. OK, presuming the horn on ebay is a real Geyer, I have an ethical question to present to this list. Should this Geyer, even if it happens to be an import with Geyer's name on it, be left in its current state, or should the horn be salvaged in order to provide a decent bell for a Geyer double that has a damaged bell? The same might be said of the lead pipe, various braces, etc. At what point should an instrument of historic value be taken apart in order to keep other historic instruments working? It looks as if this ebay Geyer is still functional, but how much use would a single F/Eb horn get vs a Geyer single Bb or a Geyer double? Ignoring any conflicts of taper, bore, etc., should this F horn be sacraficed to keep the more highly played Bb's and doubles working? Any thoughts, especially from persons in the repair business, would be appreciated. Wilbert in SC ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight??
Having just lost half of the sight in my left eye, due to a minor stroke, I'm very sensitive to vision issues. First of all, I would get my eyes tested by a true medical doctor, not just one of those people who test eyes for Lens Crafters in the mall. Be sure to have a field vision test done, as well as the standard stuff. If your vision can be corrected, fine, you know what you have to do. If your eyes are OK, then you need to practice sight reading on a daily basis. You will also find that the better you know your scales and arpeggios, the easier sight reading becomes. Wilbert in SC ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Re: Attn: Wes Hatch
Wes, Could you please contact me privately? Thanks. Wilbert mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Gold mp rims
In my own case, I find that a gold rim on my dry embouchure works best. Silver doesn't seem to move at all for me (besides I'm alergic to silver), and gold seemed too slippery when I tried to change to a wet embouchure in the 1970's. So, it's been gold and dry for more than twenty years. Have tried various plastic rims, and like them a lot for the comfort they provide, but didn't like the sound they produced. Too dark with attacks that were unclear. Wilbert ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Re: Yamaha 567
--- but the 567 is just OUT OF TUNE!!! My 2 cents Tom Hunt in IOWA Every 567 I've played has been fine. In fact I like them a lot, and recommend them over the 600 series horns. Dollar for dollar I feel it's the best horn Yamaha makes, and I've heard that from others, too. The Bach double is really made by Yamaha, and is a 567 design. There is a Bach double now on ebay in silver. Would love to give that a try and see how it compares with the brass ones. Wilbert in SC ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Re: Adult Band Camp
A few years back, a friend of mine, a fellow horn player, went on a tour of Europe with some type of adult concert band. She paid her money, they met for a week of rehearsals, then took a two or three week concert tour of Europe. Don't know who ran or runs these things, but she had a great time. Most of the people were fifty and over. She had just hit sixty. Wilbert in SC ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Marching Band - Again
--- Walter Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- I went to move the van and I then saw the most obscene thing I have seen musically in a very long time. They had brought back the equipment in a brand new custom trailer with the school's name and mascot plastered all over the side of it. Walter et al, The high school I used to be assistant band director at, Spartanburg HS, Spartanburg, SC, now has a full size 18 wheeler tractor trailer rig for their instruments, uniforms, and other stuff. It, too, has the school logo and mascot (a Viking) painted on it. Given that, Spartanburg HS did not make the State Marching Band finals this year. In fact, they never even came close, and haven't since I left. (Small pat on my back.) Don't know what the bands who made the finals use now for their transportation, but I know it's a far cry from the school buses and school delivery van we had when I was teaching HS in the early 1980s. Don't get me wrong. I think Marching band can be a valid musical, emotional, and bonding experience for students and community alike. It just seems that recently Marching Band is ruling the music program, and that a true, sequential music cirriculum no longer exists in many places, especially here in the south, where the weather is warmer ang marching season can last longer. Wilbert ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
