Re: newbie question on spool files
On Thursday, 02/25/2010 at 06:02 EST, caleb ong caleb...@yahoo.com wrote: I am doing some backups for zvm for dr purposes. Aside from the zvm res volume, I was wondering if we really need to backup the spool and page volumes. based on my readings, It seems i don't need to backup paging volumes. for spool volumes, if i am going to do a cold start during ipl, then backing up spool volume is not needed. I will be using DDR during backup and the system will be shutdown during the backup. Is my understanding correct ? Yes, but remember that you're going to need to have CPVOL-formatted spool/page volumes, whether they contain data or not. So it's up to you whether you bring up SA DDR or SA ICKDSF to prepare. If you have Flashcopy capabilities, a restore can be a three-step operation: 1. Come up on a single pack system using a 'recovery' configuration 2. Use CP FLASHCOPY with the LABEL option to copy a Golden Master CPVOL-formatted empty volume to quickly create the real spool and page volumes you need. 3. SHUTDOWN REIPL with 'production' configuration Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: newbie question on spool files
Hi If you are cloning a specific z/VM LPAR to run at DR you might want to use the 'SPXTAPE DUMP 182 SDF ALL' at the your home site to at least dump the system files that are stored on the spool volumes. Using SPXTAPE will allow you to dump the spool files while the system is running this way it will not be a fuzzy dump. You can then use SPXTAPE to load the spool files to the new DR formatted spool volumes at IPL time. Not having some of these system files might cause you issues with bringing up a component at DR. Just another take on it in case this is what you were looking to do! Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Citic z/OS and z/VM Performance Tuning and Operating Systems Support Office - 443 348-2102 Cell - 443 632-4191 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:22 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question on spool files On Thursday, 02/25/2010 at 06:02 EST, caleb ong caleb...@yahoo.com wrote: I am doing some backups for zvm for dr purposes. Aside from the zvm res volume, I was wondering if we really need to backup the spool and page volumes. based on my readings, It seems i don't need to backup paging volumes. for spool volumes, if i am going to do a cold start during ipl, then backing up spool volume is not needed. I will be using DDR during backup and the system will be shutdown during the backup. Is my understanding correct ? Yes, but remember that you're going to need to have CPVOL-formatted spool/page volumes, whether they contain data or not. So it's up to you whether you bring up SA DDR or SA ICKDSF to prepare. If you have Flashcopy capabilities, a restore can be a three-step operation: 1. Come up on a single pack system using a 'recovery' configuration 2. Use CP FLASHCOPY with the LABEL option to copy a Golden Master CPVOL-formatted empty volume to quickly create the real spool and page volumes you need. 3. SHUTDOWN REIPL with 'production' configuration Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Newbie Service question(s)
I applied a PTF using the SERVICE ALL VPTF command. It hit the CP component. The Guide for Auto Install and Service says to do the PUT2PROD only after you're 'satisfied' with the service. How does one test the service without PUT2PROD and IPL? Another question - is an IPL always required when service hits the CP component? I'm curious about what PUT2PROD does on your behalf. Is there a manual that describes that? Thanks,
General OSA / connectivity question from a newbie
OK dumb question #8763491264: Have a brand new z/VM 5.4.0 @ RSU0902 in an LPAR on a Z9. I also have 5 other LPARS running z/OS. The only way that I can communicate with my VM right now is to go to a dedicated real 3270 type terminal and log on ( or use the HMC ICC). What / how do I get access from from the rest of the terminals in the shop? I do have an OSA port available. I know about the VTAM list etc on the z/OS side it's the z/VM side that is presenting the questions. Also, what DOC covers this? Thank you.. ** GDOL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This transmission may contain confidential information protected by state or federal law. The information is intended only for use consistent with the state business discussed in this transmission.If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action based on the contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete this email and notify the sender immediately.Your cooperation is appreciated. **
Re: General OSA / connectivity question from a newbie
Hi, Charles. While VTAM for z/VM is still available (I think), almost all connectivity to a modern z/VM system is done by TCP/IP (TN3270, etc.). To get z/VM's TCP/IP servers up and running, refer to the z/VM V5R4.0 TCP/IP Planning and Customization manual that you can access directly from the IBM z/VM online library at http://www.vm.ibm.com/. It's not difficult, but if problems arise, drop the list a note and help will be forthcoming. Charles Grady wrote: OK dumb question #8763491264: Have a brand new z/VM 5.4.0 @ RSU0902 in an LPAR on a Z9. I also have 5 other LPARS running z/OS. The only way that I can communicate with my VM right now is to go to a dedicated real 3270 type terminal and log on ( or use the HMC ICC). What / how do I get access from from the rest of the terminals in the shop? I do have an OSA port available. I know about the VTAM list etc on the z/OS side it's the z/VM side that is presenting the questions. Also, what DOC covers this? Thank you.. ** GDOL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This transmission may contain confidential information protected by state or federal law. The information is intended only for use consistent with the state business discussed in this transmission.If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action based on the contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete this email and notify the sender immediately.Your cooperation is appreciated. ** -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544
Re: General OSA / connectivity question from a newbie
See also: z/VM Connectivity version 5 release 4 Document Number SC24-6080-06 I found it very readable as a guide to creating VMIP stack with tn3270 SSL and for VSWITCH. Regards, Mike Mike Wawiorko Global z/OS Connectivity and Service Management GISD Platforms GRCB Technology Barclays Bank Ground Floor (C6), Turing House, Radbroke Hall, WA16 9EU (Mail Van 49) Tel: +44(0)1565 613467 or internal 7-2000-3467 Mobile: 07824527120 Email: mailto:mike.wawio...@barclays.com P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: 14 August 2009 15:54 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: General OSA / connectivity question from a newbie Hi, Charles. While VTAM for z/VM is still available (I think), almost all connectivity to a modern z/VM system is done by TCP/IP (TN3270, etc.). To get z/VM's TCP/IP servers up and running, refer to the z/VM V5R4.0 TCP/IP Planning and Customization manual that you can access directly from the IBM z/VM online library at http://www.vm.ibm.com/. It's not difficult, but if problems arise, drop the list a note and help will be forthcoming. Charles Grady wrote: OK dumb question #8763491264: Have a brand new z/VM 5.4.0 @ RSU0902 in an LPAR on a Z9. I also have 5 other LPARS running z/OS. The only way that I can communicate with my VM right now is to go to a dedicated real 3270 type terminal and log on ( or use the HMC ICC). What / how do I get access from from the rest of the terminals in the shop? I do have an OSA port available. I know about the VTAM list etc on the z/OS side it's the z/VM side that is presenting the questions. Also, what DOC covers this? Thank you.. ** GDOL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This transmission may contain confidential information protected by state or federal law. The information is intended only for use consistent with the state business discussed in this transmission.If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action based on the contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete this email and notify the sender immediately.Your cooperation is appreciated. ** -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544 This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the addressee and may also be privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee, or have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately, delete it from your system and do not copy, disclose or otherwise act upon any part of this e-mail or its attachments. Internet communications are not guaranteed to be secure or virus-free. The Barclays Group does not accept responsibility for any loss arising from unauthorised access to, or interference with, any Internet communications by any third party, or from the transmission of any viruses. Replies to this e-mail may be monitored by the Barclays Group for operational or business reasons. Any opinion or other information in this e-mail or its attachments that does not relate to the business of the Barclays Group is personal to the sender and is not given or endorsed by the Barclays Group. Barclays Bank PLC.Registered in England and Wales (registered no. 1026167). Registered Office: 1 Churchill Place, London, E14 5HP, United Kingdom. Barclays Bank PLC is authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority.
Newbie question
If I have a quest, usera, running a rexx exec, REXX1, while disconnected, and userb (priv c) issues a SEND USERA REXX2; Where is the REXX2 queued? Or how can rexx1 pull that command so it will not execute when REXX1 ends? Thanks, - Please consider the environment before printing this email and any attachments. This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system.
Re: Newbie question
REXX2 is queued as console input.. A Do Queued();pull .;end before REXX1 exits should kill it.. Scott On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Sterling James ssja...@dstsystems.comwrote: If I have a quest, usera, running a rexx exec, REXX1, while disconnected, and userb (priv c) issues a SEND USERA REXX2; Where is the REXX2 queued? Or how can rexx1 pull that command so it will not execute when REXX1 ends? Thanks, -- Please consider the environment before printing this email and any attachments. * This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system. *
Re: Newbie question
On Friday, 07/10/2009 at 12:56 EDT, Sterling James ssja...@dstsystems.com wrote: If I have a quest, usera, running a rexx exec, REXX1, while disconnected, and userb (priv c) issues a SEND USERA REXX2; Where is the REXX2 queued? Or how can rexx1 pull that command so it will not execute when REXX1 ends? There are two queues in CMS: 1. The Program Stack 2. The Terminal Input Buffer A PULL statement will read from the program stack. When the program stack is empty, PULL will read from the terminal input buffer. If the terminal input buffer is empty, then PULL will read from the console (VM READ). The QUEUED() and EXTERNALS() functions are used to determine the number of items in the program stack and terminal input buffer, respectively. So to discard things typed on the console or sent via SEND while your program was busy: do queued() + externals() pull . end Note that PULL cannot reach around the program stack and go directly to the terminal input buffer, which is why the program must pull things off the program stack first. This technique is considered to be an unrefined display of brute force. A polite program will not arbitrarily destroy the content of the program stack in case it was placed there prior to invocation of this program, and will jump through hoops to read and restore the program stack to its entry condition. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Newbie question
Sorry, but it can pull; just the externals - use PARSE EXTERNAL instead of PARSE PULL Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 10:53 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie question On Friday, 07/10/2009 at 12:56 EDT, Sterling James ssja...@dstsystems.com wrote: If I have a quest, usera, running a rexx exec, REXX1, while disconnected, and userb (priv c) issues a SEND USERA REXX2; Where is the REXX2 queued? Or how can rexx1 pull that command so it will not execute when REXX1 ends? There are two queues in CMS: 1. The Program Stack 2. The Terminal Input Buffer A PULL statement will read from the program stack. When the program stack is empty, PULL will read from the terminal input buffer. If the terminal input buffer is empty, then PULL will read from the console (VM READ). The QUEUED() and EXTERNALS() functions are used to determine the number of items in the program stack and terminal input buffer, respectively. So to discard things typed on the console or sent via SEND while your program was busy: do queued() + externals() pull . end Note that PULL cannot reach around the program stack and go directly to the terminal input buffer, which is why the program must pull things off the program stack first. This technique is considered to be an unrefined display of brute force. A polite program will not arbitrarily destroy the content of the program stack in case it was placed there prior to invocation of this program, and will jump through hoops to read and restore the program stack to its entry condition. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Newbie question
On Friday, 07/10/2009 at 02:33 EDT, Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com wrote: Sorry, but it can pull; just the externals - use PARSE EXTERNAL instead of You're right, of course. I leave the office for a couple of hours and You-Know-Who sneaks in for some Fun Games at my expense. (sigh) As an aside, I thought he-who-will-not-be-named was on, um, extended leave for unspecified personal reasons. I heard noises in the basement last night and I had convinced myself that it was simply aliens looking for advanced technology. I just went down there a few minutes ago (daylight, you know) and I found a half-eaten PB-n-mouse sandwhich. I don't have to tell you, I'm sure, that aliens don't each PB-n-mouse. That can mean only one thing. He's baack! Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Newbie question
I heard he was hiking the Appalachian Trail ... -Chip- On 7/10/09 18:53 Alan Altmark said: As an aside, I thought he-who-will-not-be-named was on, um, extended leave for unspecified personal reasons.
Re: Newbie question
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Newbie On this list...Question RE: LISTSERV Delivery
Hi, Everyone... Quick question - I just want to get a daily digest...which I do...but I am also receiving individual emails, which I don't want. I don't know why I am getting both, since it appears in the LISTSERV settings that it can be one way or the other for one particular email address. Can someone help me correct this? Thank you! Andy Cooper | A c x i o m CDC | z/OS and z/VM Software Services Acxiom Software Services 312-985-3465 office | 312-287-2533 cell 555 W. Adams Street | Chicago, IL 60661 | USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] blocked::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ ACXIOM(r) WE MAKE INFORMATION INTELLIGENTTM P Save a tree. Don't print this e-mail unless it's really necessary.
Re: Newbie On this list...Question RE: LISTSERV Delivery
On: Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 09:50:27AM -0500,Cooper, Andy Wrote: } Quick question - I just want to get a daily digest...which I do...but I } am also receiving individual emails, which I don't want. I don't know } why I am getting both, since it appears in the LISTSERV settings that it } can be one way or the other for one particular email address. Andy, While that could be a Listserv glitch, I doubt it. The usual cause of this is that you are subscribed as 2 addresses. Did your email change at some point. -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: Newbie On this list...Question RE: LISTSERV Delivery
No, Rich, it didn't. I even totally unsubscribed and re-subscribed as daily digest only - and, obviously, I am still getting the single emails. Andy Cooper | A c x i o m CDC | z/OS and z/VM Software Services Acxiom Software Services 312-985-3465 office | 312-287-2533 cell 555 W. Adams Street | Chicago, IL 60661 | USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ ACXIOM(r) WE MAKE INFORMATION INTELLIGENTTM P Save a tree. Don't print this e-mail unless it's really necessary. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Greenberg Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:36 AM To: IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu Subject: Re: Newbie On this list...Question RE: LISTSERV Delivery On: Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 09:50:27AM -0500,Cooper, Andy Wrote: } Quick question - I just want to get a daily digest...which I do...but I } am also receiving individual emails, which I don't want. I don't know } why I am getting both, since it appears in the LISTSERV settings that it } can be one way or the other for one particular email address. Andy, While that could be a Listserv glitch, I doubt it. The usual cause of this is that you are subscribed as 2 addresses. Did your email change at some point. -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: VM Newbie alert - Install from FTP server
Mark, Sorry for being late after vacation. I'd recommend Colin's suggestion in either case: There is no better playground for the people you mentioned than a 2nd level VM!!! If you have the disk resources you even can give each trainee its own 2nd level z/VM system where he/she can test what ever he/she wants without disturbing anybody else. If you want to isolate this as much as possible - the better. Just bring a copy of any other z/VM system to your free partition, define the virtual machines to host the 2nd level test systems, and the games are open. Wolfgang Software AG - Sitz/Registered office: Uhlandstra?e 12, 64297 Darmstadt, Germany, - Registergericht/Commercial register: Darmstadt HRB 1562 - Vorstand/ Management Board: Karl-Heinz Streibich (Vorsitzender/Chairman), David Broadbent, Mark Edwards, Holger Friedrich, Dr. Peter Kurpick, Arnd Zinnhardt; - Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender/ Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Frank F. Beelitz - http://www.softwareag.com -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:26 PM To: ibmvm@listserv.uark.edu Subject: Re: VM Newbie alert - Install from FTP server Colin Allinson wrote: *Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote :- Actually we will be attempting to install zVM 5.4 on a new lpar so we will be using the integrated 3270 console on the HMC to preform the initial install. For additional fun we will be attempting to install everything directly to FCP DASD not ECKD. OK - that is different to what we do so my cookbook will not help you. I have just read the Summary card again and the instructions for 1st level from an FTP server are there and seem fairly clear - although I can't verify if they are correct. Just out of interest - if you have another VM LPAR, why did you decide to install 1st level rather than build it first at second level on another LPAR and then IPL it on you target LPAR when you know it is good? * Colin Allinson** * Amadeus Data Processing GmbH This lpar is going to be used as a system programmer sandbox where lots of people who can hardly spell zVM will be learning to install/administrate it. We want it to be as isolated from production as possible. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives. We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology. Where each worker may bloom secure from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths. Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth. We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves to death and we will bury them with their own confusion. We shall prevail! Apple's television commercial - Super Bowl - 1984
Re: Newbie On this list...Question RE: LISTSERV Delivery
On: Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:38:22AM -0500,Cooper, Andy Wrote: } No, Rich, it didn't. I even totally unsubscribed and re-subscribed as } daily digest only - and, obviously, I am still getting the single } emails. It appears that unsubscribing from the old address didn't take then. If you can still send mail From: the old address, send the listserv a Query IBMVM from the old address, and if that response indicates you are still subscribed from there, unsubscribe from that address again. Beyond that, you will have to get Dan involved. Reach him at: List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: Newbie On this list...Question RE: LISTSERV Delivery
Hi Andy, Listserv cannot produce both a daily digest and individual distributions from the same subscriptions, so you have 2 subscriptions. If you cannot determine the subscription address of the subscription you don't want, you need the help of a list owner. For any Listserv list, the address of the list owner is [EMAIL PROTECTED], or in this case: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem could be as simple as a subscription address different from, but being read on your main/expected e-mail account, or could be something as subtle as one subscription being for acooper and the other ACooper (usually case doesn't matter, but sometimes it does). cheers, wayne (a list owner, but not an IBMVM list owner!) Cooper, Andy wrote, in part, on 2008-10-31 10:50 AM: Quick question – I just want to get a daily digest…which I do…but I am also receiving individual emails, which I don’t want. I don’t know why I am getting both, since it appears in the LISTSERV settings that it can be one way or the other for one particular email address.
Re: VM Newbie alert - Install from FTP server
Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :- I have ordered and downloaded zVM 5.4 to an ftp server. Looking at the Guide for Automated Installation and Service manual I see instructions for install from DVD and Tape. Can someone point me to the instructions to install zVM (First level) from an ftp server? Mark, We do the install from an ftp server because that fits our needs the best. The instructions are in the service guide and the summary for automated installation and service (DVD) but I have to admit that the different types of DVD install are a bit jumbled up and you have to extract the right instructions for the install you want. I am assuming that you are creating a new 2nd level system from your 1st level system that has TCPIP running. If you need more specific information then contact me directly and I will let you have a copy of the relevant section of my cookbook. Colin Allinson Amadeus Data Processing GmbH
Re: VM Newbie alert - Install from FTP server
Colin Allinson wrote: *Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote :- I have ordered and downloaded zVM 5.4 to an ftp server. Looking at the Guide for Automated Installation and Service manual I see instructions for install from DVD and Tape. Can someone point me to the instructions to install zVM (First level) from an ftp server? Mark, We do the install from an ftp server because that fits our needs the best. The instructions are in the service guide and the summary for automated installation and service (DVD) but I have to admit that the different types of DVD install are a bit jumbled up and you have to extract the right instructions for the install you want. I am assuming that you are creating a new 2nd level system from your 1st level system that has TCPIP running. If you need more specific information then contact me directly and I will let you have a copy of the relevant section of my cookbook. * Colin Allinson** * Amadeus Data Processing GmbH Actually we will be attempting to install zVM 5.4 on a new lpar so we will be using the integrated 3270 console on the HMC to preform the initial install. For additional fun we will be attempting to install everything directly to FCP DASD not ECKD. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives. We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology. Where each worker may bloom secure from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths. Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth. We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves to death and we will bury them with their own confusion. We shall prevail! Apple's television commercial - Super Bowl - 1984
Re: VM Newbie alert - Install from FTP server
Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :- Actually we will be attempting to install zVM 5.4 on a new lpar so we will be using the integrated 3270 console on the HMC to preform the initial install. For additional fun we will be attempting to install everything directly to FCP DASD not ECKD. OK - that is different to what we do so my cookbook will not help you. I have just read the Summary card again and the instructions for 1st level from an FTP server are there and seem fairly clear - although I can't verify if they are correct. Just out of interest - if you have another VM LPAR, why did you decide to install 1st level rather than build it first at second level on another LPAR and then IPL it on you target LPAR when you know it is good? Colin Allinson Amadeus Data Processing GmbH
Re: VM Newbie alert - Install from FTP server
Colin Allinson wrote: *Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote :- Actually we will be attempting to install zVM 5.4 on a new lpar so we will be using the integrated 3270 console on the HMC to preform the initial install. For additional fun we will be attempting to install everything directly to FCP DASD not ECKD. OK - that is different to what we do so my cookbook will not help you. I have just read the Summary card again and the instructions for 1st level from an FTP server are there and seem fairly clear - although I can't verify if they are correct. Just out of interest - if you have another VM LPAR, why did you decide to install 1st level rather than build it first at second level on another LPAR and then IPL it on you target LPAR when you know it is good? * Colin Allinson** * Amadeus Data Processing GmbH This lpar is going to be used as a system programmer sandbox where lots of people who can hardly spell zVM will be learning to install/administrate it. We want it to be as isolated from production as possible. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives. We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology. Where each worker may bloom secure from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths. Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth. We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves to death and we will bury them with their own confusion. We shall prevail! Apple's television commercial - Super Bowl - 1984
VM Newbie alert - Install from FTP server
I have ordered and downloaded zVM 5.4 to an ftp server. Looking at the Guide for Automated Installation and Service manual I see instructions for install from DVD and Tape. Can someone point me to the instructions to install zVM (First level) from an ftp server? -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives. We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology. Where each worker may bloom secure from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths. Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth. We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves to death and we will bury them with their own confusion. We shall prevail! Apple's television commercial - Super Bowl - 1984
Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy
Hi I am working on the z/VM z/Linux POC. I have set up z/VM for this POC and have come a rather long way in a few months. I have an administrative question in terms of z/VM. Now that I got VM up and stable I am getting requests from the z/OS system folks to have user ids created. From what I can tell it does not seem to make much sense in the VM world to have everyone with a user id, because frankly not sure what must folks would do with them. In order to come up with a user that for instance has MAINT power I would need to basically duplicate MAINT correct? Anyway, do you normally set up VM like TSO on z/VM, that is have all of these user ids out there? Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Information Technology z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning Cell - 443 632-4191 Work - 410 786-0386 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy
I would really question the requirement for *MAINT* authority. If they just want to be able to log on to CMS to see what it's all about, it's easy to give them a virtual machine with CLASS G authority. That way they can't get in to too much trouble. Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) wrote: Hi I am working on the z/VM z/Linux POC. I have set up z/VM for this POC and have come a rather long way in a few months. I have an administrative question in terms of z/VM. Now that I got VM up and stable I am getting requests from the z/OS system folks to have user ids created. From what I can tell it does not seem to make much sense in the VM world to have everyone with a user id, because frankly not sure what must folks would do with them. In order to come up with a user that for instance has MAINT power I would need to basically duplicate MAINT correct? Anyway, do you normally set up VM like TSO on z/VM, that is have all of these user ids out there? //Thank You,// //Terry Martin// //Lockheed Martin - Information Technology// //z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning// //Cell - 443 632-4191// //Work - 410 786-0386// //[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]// -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009
Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy
Terry - Common security practice would usually require that you: - Set up maintenance users, specific to their tasks (e.g. MNTVM1 for z/VM sysprogs, MNTNET1 for network folks, MNTDASD1 for storage folks, etc). Make them LOGONBY userids (RACF class SURROGAT) and specify a group that can logon to them (use groups to define sysprogs, network, storage, etc). Give them the RACF authorities and CP priveleges needed for their tasks. - Setup MAINT for logonby access too - but it should only be used when really required (maintenance). - Set up personal userids that belong to a real person - using what naming standards you have for such things. These personal userids will probably never be logged into directly - and don't even need to be in the VM directory (or put them in with no MDISK). They'll be part of the groups setup above that can LOGONBY to the maintenance users. This way you have an audit trail of what actual person logged into what privileged userid. I would not create userids for anyone unless they have a specific reason to logon to z/VM. Their should be forms, with proper signatures, etc that show what access is required, and signed off by the appropriate manager or system owner, and/or security group. Hope that helps - Scott Rohling On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I am working on the z/VM z/Linux POC. I have set up z/VM for this POC and have come a rather long way in a few months. I have an administrative question in terms of z/VM. Now that I got VM up and stable I am getting requests from the z/OS system folks to have user ids created. From what I can tell it does not seem to make much sense in the VM world to have everyone with a user id, because frankly not sure what must folks would do with them. In order to come up with a user that for instance has MAINT power I would need to basically duplicate MAINT correct? Anyway, do you normally set up VM like TSO on z/VM, that is have all of these user ids out there? *Thank You,* *Terry Martin* *Lockheed Martin - Information Technology* *z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning* *Cell - 443 632-4191* *Work - 410 786-0386* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that I got VM up and stable I am getting requests from the z/OS system folks to have user ids created. From what I can tell it does not seem to make much sense in the VM world to have everyone with a user id, because frankly not sure what must folks would do with them. In order to come up with a user that for instance has MAINT power I would need to basically duplicate MAINT correct? The MAINT userid really is for *maintenance* - it's just the size of the average shop that makes it sometimes practical to also use MAINT for system administration work. If there is a need for just in case then LOGONBY to MAINT would be appropriate. That way the z/OS folks get a personal userid with their RACF password, and have access to MAINT. The fact that not everyone can be doing system admin work at the same time is sometimes considered goodness (rather than have 2 people trying to solve the same problem without knowing of each other). Some other things reside on other userids, where you also need to give them LOGONBY (like to TCPMAINT where the TCP/IP configuration is done). If people really need to be doing a lot of system admin work, then you could consider to set up PROP and allow them to issue privileged commands. If that does not work, you may want to give them users with higher privilege class. Rob
Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy
It's a good idea for everyone to get their feet wet. But no, don't give them maint privs unless they are doing work that specifically requires that. Also, don't replicate MAINT for every privileged user. VM has a history of user oriented interactive work. (Forgive me for repeating things you already know.) The interactive component is CMS and each CMS user must have his own virtual machine. The fact that you can reboot that virtual machine to run other operating systems (like Linux, z/OS, or even second level z/VM) makes it just that much more fun!! The trick will be to get your team familiar with those VM commands which they will use going forward, things which will make their jobs easier. I am always tempted to try and translate TSO concepts into CMS (or CMS concepts into Unix/POSIX/Linux). Sometimes that helps, but there is no substitute for learning the real nature of the system you are learning. So ... comparing ISPF to XEDIT to 'vi' is not all that constructive, but comparing Q ALLOC SPOOL and Q ALLOC PAGE to 'df' might be. -- R; On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I am working on the z/VM z/Linux POC. I have set up z/VM for this POC and have come a rather long way in a few months. I have an administrative question in terms of z/VM. Now that I got VM up and stable I am getting requests from the z/OS system folks to have user ids created. From what I can tell it does not seem to make much sense in the VM world to have everyone with a user id, because frankly not sure what must folks would do with them. In order to come up with a user that for instance has MAINT power I would need to basically duplicate MAINT correct? Anyway, do you normally set up VM like TSO on z/VM, that is have all of these user ids out there? *Thank You,* *Terry Martin* *Lockheed Martin - Information Technology* *z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning* *Cell - 443 632-4191* *Work - 410 786-0386* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy
Thanks all I appreciate the information. This will help as I move forward! Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Information Technology z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning Cell - 443 632-4191 Work - 410 786-0386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Troth Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:41 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy It's a good idea for everyone to get their feet wet. But no, don't give them maint privs unless they are doing work that specifically requires that. Also, don't replicate MAINT for every privileged user. VM has a history of user oriented interactive work. (Forgive me for repeating things you already know.) The interactive component is CMS and each CMS user must have his own virtual machine. The fact that you can reboot that virtual machine to run other operating systems (like Linux, z/OS, or even second level z/VM) makes it just that much more fun!! The trick will be to get your team familiar with those VM commands which they will use going forward, things which will make their jobs easier. I am always tempted to try and translate TSO concepts into CMS (or CMS concepts into Unix/POSIX/Linux). Sometimes that helps, but there is no substitute for learning the real nature of the system you are learning. So ... comparing ISPF to XEDIT to 'vi' is not all that constructive, but comparing Q ALLOC SPOOL and Q ALLOC PAGE to 'df' might be. -- R; On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I am working on the z/VM z/Linux POC. I have set up z/VM for this POC and have come a rather long way in a few months. I have an administrative question in terms of z/VM. Now that I got VM up and stable I am getting requests from the z/OS system folks to have user ids created. From what I can tell it does not seem to make much sense in the VM world to have everyone with a user id, because frankly not sure what must folks would do with them. In order to come up with a user that for instance has MAINT power I would need to basically duplicate MAINT correct? Anyway, do you normally set up VM like TSO on z/VM, that is have all of these user ids out there? Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Information Technology z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning Cell - 443 632-4191 Work - 410 786-0386 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy
At 11:04 AM 9/22/2008 -0400, you wrote: Thanks all I appreciate the information. This will help as I move forward! Remember, too, that CP command privileges can be very granular. You can set up new command classes that, for example, have the QUERY commands from a default class but not the corresponding SET commands. I used to give myself that authority on my normal userid; I could do queries from my usual ID to see if there was a problem, but I had to get on MAINT (or another userid with the SET authorities) to fix a problem: I could look but not touch. That might be helpful for your colleagues getting their feet wet.
Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy
Thanks Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Information Technology z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning Cell - 443 632-4191 Work - 410 786-0386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Laflamme Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:17 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy At 11:04 AM 9/22/2008 -0400, you wrote: Thanks all I appreciate the information. This will help as I move forward! Remember, too, that CP command privileges can be very granular. You can set up new command classes that, for example, have the QUERY commands from a default class but not the corresponding SET commands. I used to give myself that authority on my normal userid; I could do queries from my usual ID to see if there was a problem, but I had to get on MAINT (or another userid with the SET authorities) to fix a problem: I could look but not touch. That might be helpful for your colleagues getting their feet wet.
Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy
I wouldn't define a user to VM unless the person has some reason to logon to VM. However, local politics may dictate what you do. MAINT: MAINT is the superuser (su) for VM. I wouldn't set up anybody with the same credentials as MAINT. Ok, maybe a couple, just in case MAINT gets locked up, but definitely don't distribute the passwords! From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:22 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy Hi I am working on the z/VM z/Linux POC. I have set up z/VM for this POC and have come a rather long way in a few months. I have an administrative question in terms of z/VM. Now that I got VM up and stable I am getting requests from the z/OS system folks to have user ids created. From what I can tell it does not seem to make much sense in the VM world to have everyone with a user id, because frankly not sure what must folks would do with them. In order to come up with a user that for instance has MAINT power I would need to basically duplicate MAINT correct? Anyway, do you normally set up VM like TSO on z/VM, that is have all of these user ids out there? Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Information Technology z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning Cell - 443 632-4191 Work - 410 786-0386 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy
Terry, Below is a profile xedit that makes xedit very similar to ispf edit. That may help. I also add a 'CP SET PF12 RETRIEVE BACKWARD' in my profile exec to make the retrieve key work. /* PROFILE XEDIT for general use*/ arg fn ft fm ( options 'SET MSGLINE ON 3 9 OVERLAY' 'SET SCALE OFF ' 'SET CMDLINE TOP' 'SET PREFIX NULLS LEFT' 'SET STAY ON' 'SET CASE M I ' 'SET CURLINE ON 3' 'SET COLOR CURLINE WHITE' 'SET COLOR FILEAREA TURQ' 'SET COLOR PREFIX YELLOW' 'SET COLOR IDLINE YELLOW REV' 'SET COLOR ARROW BLUE' 'SET COLOR CMDLINE WHITE' 'SET COLOR TOFEOF PINK' 'SET COLOR MSG RED' 'SET NUMBER ON' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM A F' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM B P' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM R ' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM RR ' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM ADD I' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM COL SCALE' /*SETUP PF KEYS FOR XEDIT */ 'SET PF1 ONLY HELP ' 'SET PF2 = ADD' I also have a command cross reference spreadsheet that I can send to you off list. Mary Anne On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Information Technology z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning Cell - 443 632-4191 Work - 410 786-0386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Laflamme Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:17 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy At 11:04 AM 9/22/2008 -0400, you wrote: Thanks all I appreciate the information. This will help as I move forward! Remember, too, that CP command privileges can be very granular. You can set up new command classes that, for example, have the QUERY commands from a default class but not the corresponding SET commands. I used to give myself that authority on my normal userid; I could do queries from my usual ID to see if there was a problem, but I had to get on MAINT (or another userid with the SET authorities) to fix a problem: I could look but not touch. That might be helpful for your colleagues getting their feet wet.
Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy
Mary Anne, Could I have a copy also? TIA, Fred Hoffman - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mary Anne Matyaz Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:45 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy Terry, Below is a profile xedit that makes xedit very similar to ispf edit. That may help. I also add a 'CP SET PF12 RETRIEVE BACKWARD' in my profile exec to make the retrieve key work. /* PROFILE XEDIT for general use*/ arg fn ft fm ( options 'SET MSGLINE ON 3 9 OVERLAY' 'SET SCALE OFF ' 'SET CMDLINE TOP' 'SET PREFIX NULLS LEFT' 'SET STAY ON' 'SET CASE M I ' 'SET CURLINE ON 3' 'SET COLOR CURLINE WHITE' 'SET COLOR FILEAREA TURQ' 'SET COLOR PREFIX YELLOW' 'SET COLOR IDLINE YELLOW REV' 'SET COLOR ARROW BLUE' 'SET COLOR CMDLINE WHITE' 'SET COLOR TOFEOF PINK' 'SET COLOR MSG RED' 'SET NUMBER ON' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM A F' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM B P' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM R ' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM RR ' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM ADD I' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM COL SCALE' /*SETUP PF KEYS FOR XEDIT */ 'SET PF1 ONLY HELP ' 'SET PF2 = ADD' I also have a command cross reference spreadsheet that I can send to you off list. Mary Anne On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Information Technology z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning Cell - 443 632-4191 Work - 410 786-0386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Laflamme Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:17 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy At 11:04 AM 9/22/2008 -0400, you wrote: Thanks all I appreciate the information. This will help as I move forward! Remember, too, that CP command privileges can be very granular. You can set up new command classes that, for example, have the QUERY commands from a default class but not the corresponding SET commands. I used to give myself that authority on my normal userid; I could do queries from my usual ID to see if there was a problem, but I had to get on MAINT (or another userid with the SET authorities) to fix a problem: I could look but not touch. That might be helpful for your colleagues getting their feet wet.
Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy
Here, the candidate user must send a request, via web form, to Information Security requesting a userid. ISO then sends a copy of the request to the requestor's manager requesting that the manager confirm the need and approve of the request. The userids, when set up, have only an A disk, 10 cylinders, and class G authority for their CMS ids. If they also need one or more TPF machines, those have classes G and V (a subset of class B) and a 5 cylinder A-disk. There are no unnecessary disks in the configurations of the users. There is no way I would ever duplicate MAINT for a normal user. They need to be given only what is needed for their jobs. Regards, Richard Schuh From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:22 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy Hi I am working on the z/VM z/Linux POC. I have set up z/VM for this POC and have come a rather long way in a few months. I have an administrative question in terms of z/VM. Now that I got VM up and stable I am getting requests from the z/OS system folks to have user ids created. From what I can tell it does not seem to make much sense in the VM world to have everyone with a user id, because frankly not sure what must folks would do with them. In order to come up with a user that for instance has MAINT power I would need to basically duplicate MAINT correct? Anyway, do you normally set up VM like TSO on z/VM, that is have all of these user ids out there? Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Information Technology z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning Cell - 443 632-4191 Work - 410 786-0386 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy
Hi Mary Anne, Thanks for the information and yes I would like to have the command reference spreadsheet. Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Information Technology z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning Cell - 443 632-4191 Work - 410 786-0386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Matyaz Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:45 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy Terry, Below is a profile xedit that makes xedit very similar to ispf edit. That may help. I also add a 'CP SET PF12 RETRIEVE BACKWARD' in my profile exec to make the retrieve key work. /* PROFILE XEDIT for general use*/ arg fn ft fm ( options 'SET MSGLINE ON 3 9 OVERLAY' 'SET SCALE OFF ' 'SET CMDLINE TOP' 'SET PREFIX NULLS LEFT' 'SET STAY ON' 'SET CASE M I ' 'SET CURLINE ON 3' 'SET COLOR CURLINE WHITE' 'SET COLOR FILEAREA TURQ' 'SET COLOR PREFIX YELLOW' 'SET COLOR IDLINE YELLOW REV' 'SET COLOR ARROW BLUE' 'SET COLOR CMDLINE WHITE' 'SET COLOR TOFEOF PINK' 'SET COLOR MSG RED' 'SET NUMBER ON' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM A F' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM B P' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM R ' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM RR ' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM ADD I' 'SET PREFIX SYNONYM COL SCALE' /*SETUP PF KEYS FOR XEDIT */ 'SET PF1 ONLY HELP ' 'SET PF2 = ADD' I also have a command cross reference spreadsheet that I can send to you off list. Mary Anne On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Information Technology z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning Cell - 443 632-4191 Work - 410 786-0386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Laflamme Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:17 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie VM Guy old z/OS Guy At 11:04 AM 9/22/2008 -0400, you wrote: Thanks all I appreciate the information. This will help as I move forward! Remember, too, that CP command privileges can be very granular. You can set up new command classes that, for example, have the QUERY commands from a default class but not the corresponding SET commands. I used to give myself that authority on my normal userid; I could do queries from my usual ID to see if there was a problem, but I had to get on MAINT (or another userid with the SET authorities) to fix a problem: I could look but not touch. That might be helpful for your colleagues getting their feet wet.
Re: newbie question - convert to full pack minidisk
I would consider the system thrashing due to dramatic overcommitment of storage by minidisk cache when taking IBM provided mdc arbiter defaults to be a bug. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Rob van der Heij Sent: Sat 4/26/2008 5:19 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - convert to full pack minidisk On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Quay, Jonathan (IHG) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We found a bug in CP minidisk cacheing that would lock up our system. We turn off MDC at the device level in the system configuration file for our guest operating system minidisks using RDEV TYPE DASD MDC OFF. It would take real performance data to conclude on a bug. It may just be tuning. We know that the defaults for the MDC arbiter are such that many systems will favor MDC and thus cause more paging than the MDC hit rate justifies. If the paging subsystem is not properly configured, then that may keep folks waiting or even abend the system. It's a very popular problem at new installations. When the I/O is not eligable for MDC, the arbiter gets no opportunity to favor that, and you avoid the paging. I would prefer to properly configure MDC rather than disable it. And make sure the paging subsystem is able to handle the load when something else makes you page. Rob -- Rob van der Heij Velocity Software GmbH http://velocitysoftware.com/
Re: newbie question - convert to full pack minidisk
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Quay, Jonathan (IHG) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We found a bug in CP minidisk cacheing that would lock up our system. We turn off MDC at the device level in the system configuration file for our guest operating system minidisks using RDEV TYPE DASD MDC OFF. It would take real performance data to conclude on a bug. It may just be tuning. We know that the defaults for the MDC arbiter are such that many systems will favor MDC and thus cause more paging than the MDC hit rate justifies. If the paging subsystem is not properly configured, then that may keep folks waiting or even abend the system. It's a very popular problem at new installations. When the I/O is not eligable for MDC, the arbiter gets no opportunity to favor that, and you avoid the paging. I would prefer to properly configure MDC rather than disable it. And make sure the paging subsystem is able to handle the load when something else makes you page. Rob -- Rob van der Heij Velocity Software GmbH http://velocitysoftware.com/
newbie question - convert to full pack minidisk
All, I would like to convert a Mod-9 defined as follows: MDISK 0300 3390 0001 end XX to a full pack minidisk as follows: MDISK 0300 3390 end XX. without losing any data (the volume contains Linux root filesystem). Can this be done? if so how (DDR, FLAHSCOPY?) If I understand what I've read, I should get some performance from a full pack minidisk (not as much CP overhead) and I won't have to code a MINIOPT NOMDC statement I'm I on the right track? Thanks in advance. Paul - This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. It may contain information that is confidential and prohibited from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copying of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender immediately by telephone or by return e-mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. -
Re: newbie question - convert to full pack minidisk
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Paul Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I would like to convert a Mod-9 defined as follows: MDISK 0300 3390 0001 end XX to a full pack minidisk as follows: MDISK 0300 3390 end XX. without losing any data (the volume contains Linux root filesystem). Can this be done? if so how (DDR, FLAHSCOPY?) Since you copy in the right direction, I think you should be able to DDR with REORDER 0 to the same volume. But I would never dare and would DDR to a new volume. If I understand what I've read, I should get some performance from a full pack minidisk (not as much CP overhead) and I won't have to code a MINIOPT NOMDC statement But then you have to code real device addresses in the CP directory with all kind of options to get it wrong. If you want to avoid MDC you might also tell CP in the system configuration file that the devices are shared... but in general I think MDC is goodness. I do not think you will be able to measure the difference unless there is a bug in CP... I'm I on the right track? Wrong cylinder, I would say ;-) -- Rob van der Heij Velocity Software GmbH http://velocitysoftware.com/
Re: newbie question - convert to full pack minidisk
We found a bug in CP minidisk cacheing that would lock up our system. We turn off MDC at the device level in the system configuration file for our guest operating system minidisks using RDEV TYPE DASD MDC OFF. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Paul Vincent Sent: Fri 4/25/2008 3:04 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: newbie question - convert to full pack minidisk All, I would like to convert a Mod-9 defined as follows: MDISK 0300 3390 0001 end XX to a full pack minidisk as follows: MDISK 0300 3390 end XX. without losing any data (the volume contains Linux root filesystem). Can this be done? if so how (DDR, FLAHSCOPY?) If I understand what I've read, I should get some performance from a full pack minidisk (not as much CP overhead) and I won't have to code a MINIOPT NOMDC statement I'm I on the right track? Thanks in advance. Paul - This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. It may contain information that is confidential and prohibited from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copying of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender immediately by telephone or by return e-mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. -
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
Although the mystery seems to be solved now, I've got a package on the VM download page that provides you with a Query AUTOuser CP command, that shows you the autologger for an user id. See http://www.vm.ibm.com/download/packages/descript.cgi?LCLQRY Ronald van der Laan
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
Stephen Frazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not possible. A command must come from the terminal to log the user on. Actually, while this I think this was still true on his release (4.4), newer releases support the ON rdev/ldev option on XAUTOLOG, so you *can* fire up an ID on a terminal. But my real purpose for writing this is to note that Phillip's question really isn't a newbie question -- a newbie wouldn't worry about an unknown ID, as (s)he would be too afraid to touch anything. He gets full marks for being a Real Sysprog and saying It's on my system, I need to know what it does, damnit! And as usual, this list gets full points for engaging several millennia of VM experience to throw out breadcrumbs until the answer was found, without a single snarky remark. Would that other lists (mumble*ibm-main*mumble) were so mature and professional...! ...phsiii
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
And as usual, this list gets full points for engaging several millennia of VM experience to throw out breadcrumbs until the answer was found, without a single snarky remark. Would that other lists (mumble*ibm-main*mumble) were so mature and professional...! Yes - High marks all around. Thank you everyone for your input. I did contact our CE and yes, he is still getting daily updates from the Service Director. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
Now that you mention it, I remember that a recent release of VM added that ON option to the autolog command. I submitted a request for that enhancement back in the late 70's. :) Phil Smith III wrote: Stephen Frazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not possible. A command must come from the terminal to log the user on. Actually, while this I think this was still true on his release (4.4), newer releases support the ON rdev/ldev option on XAUTOLOG, so you *can* fire up an ID on a terminal. But my real purpose for writing this is to note that Phillip's question really isn't a newbie question -- a newbie wouldn't worry about an unknown ID, as (s)he would be too afraid to touch anything. He gets full marks for being a Real Sysprog and saying It's on my system, I need to know what it does, damnit! And as usual, this list gets full points for engaging several millennia of VM experience to throw out breadcrumbs until the answer was found, without a single snarky remark. Would that other lists (mumble*ibm-main*mumble) were so mature and professional...! ...phsiii -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
newbie question - SERVICE machine
what is the SERVICE machine for? i don't see it started in AUTOLOG1, yet there it is running. and it is not running disconnected, but on a terminal address. a look at its PROFILE EXEC doesn't reveal anything. searching on 'service' in the CP Planning and Admin book has so many hits that i gave up and turned to the VM list. what does it do? where does it get started? can it run disconnected? the underlying issue is that i want to remove a 3174 controller and it is using one of the addresses. do i need to give it an address on my OSA-ICC? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
Phillip, Does SERVICE have its console spooled? does OPERATOR have its console spooled? you can look at Operator's console to see when it was logged on and perhaps by whom. you can look at Service's console and perhaps see what it has been doing while logged on. Does AUTOLOG1 log on a SVM called AUDITOR by chance? more information would help good luck Bill Munson VM System Programmer 201-418-7588 President MVMUA http://www2.marist.edu/~mvmua/ *** IMPORTANT NOTE* The opinions expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and not necessarily those of Brown Brothers Harriman Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates (BBH). There is no guarantee that this message is either private or confidential, and it may have been altered by unauthorized sources without your or our knowledge. Nothing in the message is capable or intended to create any legally binding obligations on either party and it is not intended to provide legal advice. BBH accepts no responsibility for loss or damage from its use, including damage from virus.
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
SERVICE machine is kind of synonymous with a VM userid. Service refers to more of a task that it does rather than an actual machine named SERVICE. I always considered them to be long running users. For instance, we use DB2, which runs 24/7, hence it is a service that is always running. There might be a technical/official definition, but that's how I've always looked at it. TCPIP might be considered a service machine as well. Steve G. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:41 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: newbie question - SERVICE machine what is the SERVICE machine for? i don't see it started in AUTOLOG1, yet there it is running. and it is not running disconnected, but on a terminal address. a look at its PROFILE EXEC doesn't reveal anything. searching on 'service' in the CP Planning and Admin book has so many hits that i gave up and turned to the VM list. what does it do? where does it get started? can it run disconnected? the underlying issue is that i want to remove a 3174 controller and it is using one of the addresses. do i need to give it an address on my OSA-ICC? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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I think he said he had an actual machine called SERVICE logged on to a physical address. at least that is the way I read his note - but then I am an old man - and forgetful ;-) munson Gentry, Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 04/07/2008 12:47 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine SERVICE machine is kind of synonymous with a VM userid. Service refers to more of a task that it does rather than an actual machine named ?SERVICE?. I always considered them to be long running users. For instance, we use DB2, which runs 24/7, hence it is a service that is always running. There might be a technical/official definition, but that?s how I?ve always looked at it. TCPIP might be considered a service machine as well. Steve G. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:41 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: newbie question - SERVICE machine what is the SERVICE machine for? i don't see it started in AUTOLOG1, yet there it is running. and it is not running disconnected, but on a terminal address. a look at its PROFILE EXEC doesn't reveal anything. searching on 'service' in the CP Planning and Admin book has so many hits that i gave up and turned to the VM list. what does it do? where does it get started? can it run disconnected? the underlying issue is that i want to remove a 3174 controller and it is using one of the addresses. do i need to give it an address on my OSA-ICC? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL *** IMPORTANT NOTE* The opinions expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and not necessarily those of Brown Brothers Harriman Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates (BBH). There is no guarantee that this message is either private or confidential, and it may have been altered by unauthorized sources without your or our knowledge. Nothing in the message is capable or intended to create any legally binding obligations on either party and it is not intended to provide legal advice. BBH accepts no responsibility for loss or damage from its use, including damage from virus.
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Where do you see it running? Can you issue a QUERY SERVICE or IND USER SERVICE and get some information back? Steve G. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:41 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: newbie question - SERVICE machine what is the SERVICE machine for? i don't see it started in AUTOLOG1, yet there it is running. and it is not running disconnected, but on a terminal address. a look at its PROFILE EXEC doesn't reveal anything. searching on 'service' in the CP Planning and Admin book has so many hits that i gave up and turned to the VM list. what does it do? where does it get started? can it run disconnected? the underlying issue is that i want to remove a 3174 controller and it is using one of the addresses. do i need to give it an address on my OSA-ICC? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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yes, it is an actual machine called SERVICE. Ready; T=0.02/0.02 12:09:05 q na SERVICE - 0362, SP4 - DSC , etc. q service SERVICE - 0362 **Maint**; T=0.01/0.01 12:16:04 ind user service USERID=SERVICE MACH=XA STOR=16M VIRT=V XSTORE=NONE IPLSYS=CMS DEVNUM=7 PAGES: RES=0117 WS=0117 LOCK= RESVD= NPREF= PREF= READS=0017 WRITES=0005 XSTORE=00 READS=01 WRITES=01 MIGRATES=00 CPU 00: CTIME=25:22 VTIME=000:00 TTIME=000:01 IO=000457 RDR=000282 PRT=00 PCH=00 **Maint**; T=0.01/0.01 12:16:15 ok, it sound like this is not a CMS machine that every VM shop has running. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 04/07/2008 12:02:47 PM: I think he said he had an actual machine called SERVICE logged on to a physical address. at least that is the way I read his note - but then I am an old man - and forgetful ;-) munson
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
Phillip, Looking in the USER DIRECT distributed with z/VM 5.3.0 there is no userid called SERVICE. What release of VM are you running? It seems that some application installed at your site defined the userid SERVICE. Can you check the directory entry for SERVICE to see what minidisks it owns and the LINK to them to see what's on them (besides the PROFILE EXEC)? Checking to see what it is doing can also be done with the TRACK command. You can download and install TRACK from: http://vm.marist.edu/track/code.html Once you begin using TRACK you won't ever want to run a z/VM system without it. It should be in every serious z/VM System Programmer's tool box. Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 04/07/2008 11:41 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject newbie question - SERVICE machine what is the SERVICE machine for? i don't see it started in AUTOLOG1, yet there it is running. and it is not running disconnected, but on a terminal address. a look at its PROFILE EXEC doesn't reveal anything. searching on 'service' in the CP Planning and Admin book has so many hits that i gave up and turned to the VM list. what does it do? where does it get started? can it run disconnected? the underlying issue is that i want to remove a 3174 controller and it is using one of the addresses. do i need to give it an address on my OSA-ICC? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
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does OPERATOR have its console spooled? you can look at Operator's console to see when it was logged on and perhaps by whom. i just IPLed VM yesterday (this is zVM 4.4) and i looked thru the OPERATOR ouput since the ipl and don't see where SERVICE got started. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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here is the USER DIRECT entry for SERVICE: * USER SERVICE SMILE 16M 32M ABCDEFG LOGONBY MAINT PRGRAMLY MACHINE XA AUTOLOG VAUTOLG1 VOP1 VMAINT ACCOUNT VOLTSEP IBMCE IPL CMS PARM AUTOCR OPTION QUICKD SHARE RELATIVE 1000 CONSOLE 009 3215 SPOOL 00C 2540 READER A SPOOL 00D 2540 PUNCH A SPOOL 00E 1403 A LINK MAINT 190 190 RR LINK MAINT 19E 19E RR MDISK 191 3390 2183 005 220W01 MR A6SOLLA UK21OYS SBYNIM1 * i'll take a look at TRACK - thanks for the tip. would it be restarted after an IPL just because it was running when i shutdown? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 04/07/2008 12:22:19 PM: Phillip, Looking in the USER DIRECT distributed with z/VM 5.3.0 there is no userid called SERVICE. What release of VM are you running? It seems that some application installed at your site defined the userid SERVICE. Can you check the directory entry for SERVICE to see what minidisks it owns and the LINK to them to see what's on them (besides the PROFILE EXEC)? Checking to see what it is doing can also be done with the TRACK command. You can download and install TRACK from: http://vm.marist.edu/track/code.html Once you begin using TRACK you won't ever want to run a z/VM system without it. It should be in every serious z/VM System Programmer's tool box.
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
Bill, Does AUTOLOG1 log on a SVM called AUDITOR by chance? no, no machine called AUDITOR started in AUTOLOG1. i logged on to SERVICE. it has a file called LASTING GLOBALV on 191. that file has a recent update date and time - today just 30 minutes ago. here is a sample of the contents: $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICESENDFILENEW TYPE NOFILELIST NOLOG NOACK $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC does that give any clues? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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Phillip, From MAINT or some userid with LNKNOPAS privilege: VMLINK SERVICE 191 and look at SERVICE's PROFILE EXEC. Its PROFILE EXEC comments might tell you if it's home-grown or a vendor's and what it's meant to do. Let us know what you find. This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:21 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine yes, it is an actual machine called SERVICE. Ready; T=0.02/0.02 12:09:05 q na SERVICE - 0362, SP4 - DSC , etc. q service SERVICE - 0362 **Maint**; T=0.01/0.01 12:16:04 ind user service USERID=SERVICE MACH=XA STOR=16M VIRT=V XSTORE=NONE IPLSYS=CMS DEVNUM=7 PAGES: RES=0117 WS=0117 LOCK= RESVD= NPREF= PREF= READS=0017 WRITES=0005 XSTORE=00 READS=01 WRITES=01 MIGRATES=00 CPU 00: CTIME=25:22 VTIME=000:00 TTIME=000:01 IO=000457 RDR=000282 PRT=00 PCH=00 **Maint**; T=0.01/0.01 12:16:15 ok, it sound like this is not a CMS machine that every VM shop has running. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 04/07/2008 12:02:47 PM: I think he said he had an actual machine called SERVICE logged on to a physical address. at least that is the way I read his note - but then I am an old man - and forgetful ;-) munson
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you appear to have posted the logon and link passwords for a high privilege userid in public. I suggest you change them immediately. Peter -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 7, 2008 13:32 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine here is the USER DIRECT entry for SERVICE: * USER SERVICE SMILE 16M 32M ABCDEFG LOGONBY MAINT PRGRAMLY MACHINE XA AUTOLOG VAUTOLG1 VOP1 VMAINT ACCOUNT VOLTSEP IBMCE IPL CMS PARM AUTOCR OPTION QUICKD SHARE RELATIVE 1000 CONSOLE 009 3215 SPOOL 00C 2540 READER A SPOOL 00D 2540 PUNCH A SPOOL 00E 1403 A LINK MAINT 190 190 RR LINK MAINT 19E 19E RR MDISK 191 3390 2183 005 220W01 MR A6SOLLA UK21OYS SBYNIM1 * i'll take a look at TRACK - thanks for the tip. would it be restarted after an IPL just because it was running when i shutdown? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 04/07/2008 12:22:19 PM: Phillip, Looking in the USER DIRECT distributed with z/VM 5.3.0 there is no userid called SERVICE. What release of VM are you running? It seems that some application installed at your site defined the userid SERVICE. Can you check the directory entry for SERVICE to see what minidisks it owns and the LINK to them to see what's on them (besides the PROFILE EXEC)? Checking to see what it is doing can also be done with the TRACK command. You can download and install TRACK from: http://vm.marist.edu/track/code.html Once you begin using TRACK you won't ever want to run a z/VM system without it. It should be in every serious z/VM System Programmer's tool box. The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review retransmission dissemination or other use of or taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or delegate is strictly prohibited. If you received this in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The integrity and security of this message cannot be guaranteed on the Internet. The sender accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of information provided. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. This disclaimer is property of the TTC and must not be altered or circumvented in any manner.
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
First, a good rule of thumb is to not broadcast the password for any of your userids in a public forum (i.e Here). Always replace the password with eight ³X²s and keep them secret. If you replaced the actual password with ³SMILE², then the use of eight ³X²s would keep paranoid people like me quiet... The same is true for the passwords on the minidisk Second, You have the terminal address where SERVICE is logged in; Do you know where this terminal is? Might there be someone sitting there, that could shed light on what the account is used for? Being fully privileged, no one should walk away from it leaving it logged in or unlocked in some way; this is a huge security risk for your system. This account seems to be linked with the accounts ³VAUTOLG1, VOP1 and VMAINT... Are these possibly accounts used to build a ³virtual², or second-level z/VM system? Could this be what the SERVICE machine is used for? If you¹re the systems programmer for the system, and you don¹t know what the account is used for, then one very sure way to find out would be to change the password and see who runs into your office. No amount of research can replace a good, well placed denial of service. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 4/7/08 12:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here is the USER DIRECT entry for SERVICE: * USER SERVICE 16M 32M ABCDEFG LOGONBY MAINT PRGRAMLY MACHINE XA AUTOLOG VAUTOLG1 VOP1 VMAINT ACCOUNT VOLTSEP IBMCE IPL CMS PARM AUTOCR OPTION QUICKD SHARE RELATIVE 1000 CONSOLE 009 3215 SPOOL 00C 2540 READER A SPOOL 00D 2540 PUNCH A SPOOL 00E 1403 A LINK MAINT 190 190 RR LINK MAINT 19E 19E RR MDISK 191 3390 2183 005 220W01 MR * i'll take a look at TRACK - thanks for the tip. would it be restarted after an IPL just because it was running when i shutdown? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 04/07/2008 12:22:19 PM: Phillip, Looking in the USER DIRECT distributed with z/VM 5.3.0 there is no userid called SERVICE. What release of VM are you running? It seems that some application installed at your site defined the userid SERVICE. Can you check the directory entry for SERVICE to see what minidisks it owns and the LINK to them to see what's on them (besides the PROFILE EXEC)? Checking to see what it is doing can also be done with the TRACK command. You can download and install TRACK from: http://vm.marist.edu/track/code.html Once you begin using TRACK you won't ever want to run a z/VM system without it. It should be in every serious z/VM System Programmer's tool box.
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
The clue left here is: AUTOLOG VAUTOLG1 VOP1 VMAINT That says that the userids AUTOLOG VAUTOLG1 VOP1 VMAINT can AUTOLOG SERVICE without a password. Google did not turn up anything for VAUTOLG1, and the one VMAINT was in a Domino manual and not obviously applicable. Was there anything else on the 191 disk beside the PROFILE EXEC? Does the PRGRAMLY in the LOGONBY look familiar? Are there directory entries for VAUTOLG1, VOP1, or VMAINT? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 04/07/2008 12:32 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine here is the USER DIRECT entry for SERVICE: * USER SERVICE SMILE 16M 32M ABCDEFG LOGONBY MAINT PRGRAMLY MACHINE XA AUTOLOG VAUTOLG1 VOP1 VMAINT ACCOUNT VOLTSEP IBMCE IPL CMS PARM AUTOCR OPTION QUICKD SHARE RELATIVE 1000 CONSOLE 009 3215 SPOOL 00C 2540 READER A SPOOL 00D 2540 PUNCH A SPOOL 00E 1403 A LINK MAINT 190 190 RR LINK MAINT 19E 19E RR MDISK 191 3390 2183 005 220W01 MR A6SOLLA UK21OYS SBYNIM1 * i'll take a look at TRACK - thanks for the tip. would it be restarted after an IPL just because it was running when i shutdown? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 04/07/2008 12:22:19 PM: Phillip, Looking in the USER DIRECT distributed with z/VM 5.3.0 there is no userid called SERVICE. What release of VM are you running? It seems that some application installed at your site defined the userid SERVICE. Can you check the directory entry for SERVICE to see what minidisks it owns and the LINK to them to see what's on them (besides the PROFILE EXEC)? Checking to see what it is doing can also be done with the TRACK command. You can download and install TRACK from: http://vm.marist.edu/track/code.html Once you begin using TRACK you won't ever want to run a z/VM system without it. It should be in every serious z/VM System Programmer's tool box. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
It looks like the SERVICE is running and looking for input from the RDR queue Two things I did notice MDISK 191 3390 2183 005 220W01 MR A6SOLLA UK21OYS SBYNIM1 the mdisk statement tells me this has been a round since VM/ESA 2.2.0 - I would bet. and it looks like it might be logged on by one of these users AUTOLOG VAUTOLG1 VOP1 VMAINT I would wonder what is being logged on by AUTOLOG1 I can not believe that the Operator console does not show it being logged on anywhere Is the terminal address in your SYSTEM CONFIG as an operator console? WOW Bill Munson VM System Programmer 201-418-7588 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 04/07/2008 01:39 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine Bill, Does AUTOLOG1 log on a SVM called AUDITOR by chance? no, no machine called AUDITOR started in AUTOLOG1. i logged on to SERVICE. it has a file called LASTING GLOBALV on 191. that file has a recent update date and time - today just 30 minutes ago. here is a sample of the contents: $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICESENDFILENEW TYPE NOFILELIST NOLOG NOACK $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC does that give any clues? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL *** IMPORTANT NOTE* The opinions expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and not necessarily those of Brown Brothers Harriman Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates (BBH). There is no guarantee that this message is either private or confidential, and it may have been altered by unauthorized sources without your or our knowledge. Nothing in the message is capable or intended to create any legally binding obligations on either party and it is not intended to provide legal advice. BBH accepts no responsibility for loss or damage from its use, including damage from virus.
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
Hello Phillip, There was an EMC service machine called SERVICE here that was started by the Operator to send info to EMC support (IIRC). We shut it down a couple years back and I removed it. Ed Martin 330-588-4723 ext 40441 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:40 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine Bill, Does AUTOLOG1 log on a SVM called AUDITOR by chance? no, no machine called AUDITOR started in AUTOLOG1. i logged on to SERVICE. it has a file called LASTING GLOBALV on 191. that file has a recent update date and time - today just 30 minutes ago. here is a sample of the contents: $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICESENDFILENEW TYPE NOFILELIST NOLOG NOACK $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC does that give any clues? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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Its PROFILE EXEC comments might tell you if it?s home-grown or a vendor?s and what it?s meant to do. i looked at SERVICE profile exec: CONTROL OFF CP TERM MODE VM CP SET MSG OFF CP SET WNG ON CP SET EMSG ON CP SET RUN ON CP SPOOL READER CLASS * CP SPOOL CONSOLE CLOSE CP SPOOL PUNCH CLOSE CP SPOOL PRINTER CLOSE EXIT no comments - fairly pedestrian. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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the best piece of advice I have seen is this one: If you?re the systems programmer for the system, and you don?t know what the account is used for, then one very sure way to find out would be to change the password and see who runs into your office. No amount of research can replace a good, well placed denial of service. Something will break or someone will yell - either way you will know. - and change the password to NOLOG - and change the passwords to the MDISK also good luck Bill Munson VM System Programmer 201-418-7588 Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 04/07/2008 01:53 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine Hello Phillip, There was an EMC service machine called SERVICE here that was started by the Operator to send info to EMC support (IIRC). We shut it down a couple years back and I removed it. Ed Martin 330-588-4723 ext 40441 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:40 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine Bill, Does AUTOLOG1 log on a SVM called AUDITOR by chance? no, no machine called AUDITOR started in AUTOLOG1. i logged on to SERVICE. it has a file called LASTING GLOBALV on 191. that file has a recent update date and time - today just 30 minutes ago. here is a sample of the contents: $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICESENDFILENEW TYPE NOFILELIST NOLOG NOACK $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC does that give any clues? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL *** IMPORTANT NOTE* The opinions expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and not necessarily those of Brown Brothers Harriman Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates (BBH). There is no guarantee that this message is either private or confidential, and it may have been altered by unauthorized sources without your or our knowledge. Nothing in the message is capable or intended to create any legally binding obligations on either party and it is not intended to provide legal advice. BBH accepts no responsibility for loss or damage from its use, including damage from virus.
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Was there anything else on the 191 disk beside the PROFILE EXEC? just the LASTING GLOBALV file and a IND$FILE MODULE from 1995. i wonder if this was for uploading/downloading source to/from a PC a long time ago. Does the PRGRAMLY in the LOGONBY look familiar? yes - that is my CMS userid. Are there directory entries for VAUTOLG1, VOP1, or VMAINT? the only one in USER DIRECT is VMAINT. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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Its not your EREP machine by any chance is it? Look in SYSTEM CONFIG and/or do a QUERY RECORDING. no it's not EREP. q recording RECORDINGCOUNT LMT USERID COMMUNICATION EREP ON 002 EREP ACTIVE ACCOUNT OFF 020 DISKACNT ACTIVE SYMPTOM ON 002 OPERSYMP ACTIVE prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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the mdisk statement tells me this has been a round since VM/ESA 2.2.0 - I would bet. the previous SPs have carved up the old 220W01 into minidisks for various things. the label never got changed. so no telling how old SERVICE actually is. Is the terminal address in your SYSTEM CONFIG as an operator console? yes. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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There was an EMC service machine called SERVICE here that was started by the Operator to send info to EMC support (IIRC). we've never had EMC disk. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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There used to be a PC type device called an IBM Service Director that you could send erep records to. The DIST IBMCE seems to be a clue. Maybe you still have one, particularly if you are a big shop with on site CE coverage. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:18 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine There was an EMC service machine called SERVICE here that was started by the Operator to send info to EMC support (IIRC). we've never had EMC disk. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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My vote's for IBM Service Director. I remember setting that up last century for our CE. This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Quay, Jonathan (IHG) Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:26 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine There used to be a PC type device called an IBM Service Director that you could send erep records to. The DIST IBMCE seems to be a clue. Maybe you still have one, particularly if you are a big shop with on site CE coverage. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:18 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine There was an EMC service machine called SERVICE here that was started by the Operator to send info to EMC support (IIRC). we've never had EMC disk. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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no, SERVICE is not listed as a System Userid: System_Userids , Operator OPERATOR disconnect , Account DISKACNT , Dump OPERATNS , Erep EREP prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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No. After your IPL someone at the terminal 362 typed in a logon command for SERVICE. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would it be restarted after an IPL just because it was running when i shutdown? yes, it is an actual machine called SERVICE. Ready; T=0.02/0.02 12:09:05 q na SERVICE - 0362, SP4 - DSC , etc. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
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My vote?s for IBM Service Director. I remember setting that up last century for our CE. would Service Director be set up to log itself on to a 'terminal' ? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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Not possible. A command must come from the terminal to log the user on. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vote’s for IBM Service Director. I remember setting that up last century for our CE. would Service Director be set up to log itself on to a 'terminal' ? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
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IBM's Service Director PC did log itself into VM via a 'terminal': PC had a cable into a 3172? controller and looked like 'terminal' from VM's viewpoint. hence, SERVICE - 0362 This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Frazier Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:53 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine Not possible. A command must come from the terminal to log the user on. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vote's for IBM Service Director. I remember setting that up last century for our CE. would Service Director be set up to log itself on to a 'terminal' ? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
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Exactly The Service Director should automatically begin uploading to itself the RDR files from CMS Userid IBMSVCDR when it is ready. You shouldn't have to XAUTOLOG IBMSVCDR, the Service Director itself will do that. It could have been customized to bypass the VM LOGO screen by automating an Enter and then entering LOGON IBMSVCDR itself, followed by whatever command is needed to start the process. Romanowski, John (OFT) wrote: IBM's Service Director PC did log itself into VM via a 'terminal': PC had a cable into a 3172? controller and looked like 'terminal' from VM's viewpoint. hence, SERVICE - 0362 This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Frazier Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:53 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine Not possible. A command must come from the terminal to log the user on. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vote's for IBM Service Director. I remember setting that up last century for our CE. would Service Director be set up to log itself on to a 'terminal' ? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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IBM's Service Director PC did log itself into VM via a 'terminal': PC had a cable into a 3172? controller and looked like 'terminal' from VM's viewpoint. hence, SERVICE - 0362 If I remember that product correctly, an automated process on an outboard PC logged in and periodically ran a number of commands and stored the output in the outboard PC for retrieval by remote support personnel, both IBM and customer. There was a OS/2 GUI widget you could use to grab a dashboard-like display of multiple systems, and get a quick picture of a whole complex. It had both TSO and CMS options. Most of the implementations I remember were to allow IBM remote support people to get info without actually allowing them to directly log in to a live system. It also bypassed some limitations in the support processor remote access code.
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Looking at the ACCOUNT record/entry gives a bit of a clue since it says IBMCE. I tend to agree with one of the other posters that it was setup for sending EREP records to a PC. I remember setting up a user for this purpose a long time ago. I don't remember what the userid was. Someone else made a comment about the RDR seems to be ready to receive seems to be ready to accept input sometimes referred to as a hot RDR. It seems EREP could be set up to send data to the userid and then it got sent to a PC. I don't remember if the PC woke up every so often, connected to SERVICE in this case, got the data and then logged off. The PC then processed the records based on some criteria and I think could even page the CE if something was critical. I guess it was the precursor to the HMC function. Steve From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine My vote's for IBM Service Director. I remember setting that up last century for our CE. would Service Director be set up to log itself on to a 'terminal' ? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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so is this obsolete? since we have a 2096 with an HMC, can this PC 350 in the corner be decommissioned? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 04/07/2008 01:58:45 PM: Looking at the ACCOUNT record/entry gives a bit of a clue since it says IBMCE. I tend to agree with one of the other posters that it was setup for sending EREP records to a PC. I remember setting up a user for this purpose a long time ago. I don?t remember what the userid was. Someone else made a comment about the RDR seems to be ready to receive seems to be ready to accept input sometimes referred to as a hot RDR. It seems EREP could be set up to send data to the userid and then it got sent to a PC. I don?t remember if the PC woke up every so often, connected to SERVICE in this case, got the data and then logged off. The PC then processed the records based on some criteria and I think could even page the CE if something was critical. I guess it was the precursor to the HMC function. Steve
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That is sort of true, XAUTOLOG and have a user logon to a terminal .. that is relativly new, but I think it was in 4.4. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Frazier Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:53 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine Not possible. A command must come from the terminal to log the user on. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vote’s for IBM Service Director. I remember setting that up last century for our CE. would Service Director be set up to log itself on to a 'terminal' ? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
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Decommissioning is entirely between your CE and your site. Ask your CE if he/she has other ways to obtain hardware error information instead of this old application. If so (and probably) then he/she will probably not care. And you'll save a little electrical power, too! Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. P.S. We had one of these things connected to our z/OS system, and now that my memory has been freshened, I used to SENDFILE the VM EREP data to a TSO userid on a separate z/OS system which was logged on by a similar PC to read it and append to the file created by z/OS. The CE had a somewhat pictorial view, and error records for problem hardware. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 04/07/2008 02:25 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine so is this obsolete? since we have a 2096 with an HMC, can this PC 350 in the corner be decommissioned? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL Mike Walter Work: 847.771.9212 Cell: 847.778.1373 Home: 847.949.4914 The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 04/07/2008 01:58:45 PM: Looking at the ACCOUNT record/entry gives a bit of a clue since it says IBMCE. I tend to agree with one of the other posters that it was setup for sending EREP records to a PC. I remember setting up a user for this purpose a long time ago. I don?t remember what the userid was. Someone else made a comment about the RDR seems to be ready to receive seems to be ready to accept input sometimes referred to as a hot RDR. It seems EREP could be set up to send data to the userid and then it got sent to a PC. I don?t remember if the PC woke up every so often, connected to SERVICE in this case, got the data and then logged off. The PC then processed the records based on some criteria and I think could even page the CE if something was critical. I guess it was the precursor to the HMC function. Steve The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
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I'm embarking on virtualizing my Websphere MQ and Websphere Broker environments on z/vm. I was wondering if anyone has gone through this yet and any guidance would help. Richard W. Santilli IT Systems Engineer Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] (440)395-0698
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Richard Santilli wrote: I'm embarking on virtualizing my Websphere MQ and Websphere Broker environments on z/vm. I was wondering if anyone has gone through this yet and any guidance would help. Can you say more about these environments? Are they z/OS or Linux, for example? If it's Linux, do you already have Linux running on mainframe hardware, or are you porting the applications from another platform? From the subject line, are we to assume that this is a new z/VM installation put in for this project? Sorry to have questions instead of answers. With the flexibility of VM, we really need to know more about what problem you're trying to solve before pointing you in any particular direction. Nick
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Our current environment is running on Windows 2000 and Windows 2003. We are looking to install zlinux on a z9. This is a new z/vm installation. We do not have Linux running on the z9 yet, we are in the process of doing that. Richard W. Santilli IT Systems Engineer Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] (440)395-0698 Nick Laflamme [EMAIL PROTECTED] st.govTo Sent by: The IBM IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU z/VM Operating cc System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject ARK.EDU Re: Newbie 10/24/2007 09:48 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARK.EDU Richard Santilli wrote: I'm embarking on virtualizing my Websphere MQ and Websphere Broker environments on z/vm. I was wondering if anyone has gone through this yet and any guidance would help. Can you say more about these environments? Are they z/OS or Linux, for example? If it's Linux, do you already have Linux running on mainframe hardware, or are you porting the applications from another platform? From the subject line, are we to assume that this is a new z/VM installation put in for this project? Sorry to have questions instead of answers. With the flexibility of VM, we really need to know more about what problem you're trying to solve before pointing you in any particular direction. Nick
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WELCOME to the wonderful world of z. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Santilli Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:00 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie Our current environment is running on Windows 2000 and Windows 2003. We are looking to install zlinux on a z9. This is a new z/vm installation. We do not have Linux running on the z9 yet, we are in the process of doing that. Richard W. Santilli IT Systems Engineer Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] (440)395-0698 Nick Laflamme [EMAIL PROTECTED] st.govTo Sent by: The IBM IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU z/VM Operating cc System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject ARK.EDU Re: Newbie 10/24/2007 09:48 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARK.EDU Richard Santilli wrote: I'm embarking on virtualizing my Websphere MQ and Websphere Broker environments on z/vm. I was wondering if anyone has gone through this yet and any guidance would help. Can you say more about these environments? Are they z/OS or Linux, for example? If it's Linux, do you already have Linux running on mainframe hardware, or are you porting the applications from another platform? From the subject line, are we to assume that this is a new z/VM installation put in for this project? Sorry to have questions instead of answers. With the flexibility of VM, we really need to know more about what problem you're trying to solve before pointing you in any particular direction. Nick __ ella for Spam Control has removed VSE-List messages and set aside VM-List for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! http://www.ellaforspam.com
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Richard, We are looking to install zlinux on a z9. This is a new z/vm installation. You may be interested in The Virtualization Cookbooks - books written specifically for your situation. There is one for SLES 10 and one for RHEL 5, so they are mostly up to date (SLES 10 SP1, the latest Novell/SuSE release, is not addressed but is quite similar). The cookbooks are usually at the top of the page http://linuxvm.org/present/ but that Web Server seems to have misplaced its DocumentRoot at the moment - I hope that situation will be fixed soon. Also, the z/VM publication Getting Started with Linux on System z9 and zSeries may be interesting to you. It is similar but differs by assuming a directory maintenance product (DirMaint in that book) while the Virtualization Cookbooks describe manual editing of the USER DIRECT file. I see a copy on this page: http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/bkserv/zvmpdf/zvm53.html Mike MacIsaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845) 433-7061
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On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 11:11 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael MacIsaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- The cookbooks are usually at the top of the page http://linuxvm.org/present/ but that Web Server seems to have misplaced its DocumentRoot at the moment - I hope that situation will be fixed soon. It's been fixed. Mark Post
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Hello Richard, As you will find out, z/VM is the absolute best Operating System. Period. Flexible, easy to use, and the z/VM community is wonderful. z/VM has cookbooks, or redbooks that are created from actual user experiences. The only problem will be is deciding which path you want. And they all end in success. Ask your questions. Someone will get an answer to you. Good luck and welcome. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Santilli Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:00 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie Our current environment is running on Windows 2000 and Windows 2003. We are looking to install zlinux on a z9. This is a new z/vm installation. We do not have Linux running on the z9 yet, we are in the process of doing that. Richard W. Santilli IT Systems Engineer Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] (440)395-0698 Nick Laflamme [EMAIL PROTECTED] st.gov To Sent by: The IBM IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU z/VM Operating cc System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject ARK.EDU Re: Newbie 10/24/2007 09:48 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARK.EDU Richard Santilli wrote: I'm embarking on virtualizing my Websphere MQ and Websphere Broker environments on z/vm. I was wondering if anyone has gone through this yet and any guidance would help. Can you say more about these environments? Are they z/OS or Linux, for example? If it's Linux, do you already have Linux running on mainframe hardware, or are you porting the applications from another platform? From the subject line, are we to assume that this is a new z/VM installation put in for this project? Sorry to have questions instead of answers. With the flexibility of VM, we really need to know more about what problem you're trying to solve before pointing you in any particular direction. Nick
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I agree. The poster didn't really say what their plans weremostly that he was a newbie. In my shop, we have Oracle 10g running in test. Applications wanted an Oracle machine bigger then we currently have in production (4 GB). I gave them a couple images of Oracle running in 400 MBs (about the smallest I could make it and still run OEM). They have been happy with the performance. Now, production may be a different matter. But we will go into production with a 400 MB machine and I'll give it more memory (and adjust the SGA) when I see the performance problems. We will be scaling up slowly. Perhaps a dozen users will be moved to the mainframe on the first go around. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Romanowski, John (OFT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/19/2007 12:46 PM On the other hand, if his site plans to eventually run multiple oracle guests with little/zero down time to add LPAR memory as more guests are added , then sizing the LPAR memory now to avoid LPAR outages later is prudent. This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Duerbusch Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 1:28 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: VM Newbie Question The first question that pops into my mind is, why do you think you need that much real memory (central and expanded)? Is it that you have 16 GB real and nothing else to do with it? Is it that you have a current Oracle box that needs more and more memory? The performance characteristics of mainframes are quite a bit different then the other platforms. Your box, should have Ficon/FCP channels. The promos on our IBM DS6800 dasd subsystem, states that if it is properly configured (ours is not), it can do 300,000 I/Os per second. What do your current platforms have? What I'm getting at is, take Intel for example. Very cheap memory. Very cheap MIPS. Poor context switching. Poor I/O rates (unless you spend mainframe type dollars to beef up the I/O subsystem). So you throw lots of cheap memory on the box to knock down the I/O rates. (cheaper than beefing up the I/O subsystem). On the mainframe, we have the I/O subsystem (basically comes standard...well for the price we pay for the box). In my book, you trade memory for a higher I/O rate and you still get great performance. True, you may still need the memory. But just because the Intel side needed the memory, doesn't mean the mainframe side needs it. True, I would keep memory at 16 GB for a POC. But if I had the time, I would scale the memory back, perhaps a GB at a time, until I see performance start to suffer. In other words, take advantage of the resources available on the new-to-you platform. All the rules of thumb that you have seen for Oracle, really need to be rethought in the shared environment of the mainframe. If you treat the mainframe like a PC, it will be a very expensive project. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting FELINE PHYSICS: Law of Cat Motion A cat will move in a straight line, unless there is a really good reason to change direction. Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/18/2007 7:21 AM What is a good ratio of Central to Expanded storage to support an zLinux Oracle workload under zVM 5.3? The LPAR has 16GB assigned and our initial storage split is 12 Central, 4 Expanded. The workloads haven't been moved to this environment yet so we have no tuning numbers available. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL -- A desire not to butt into other people's business is at least eighty percent of all human wisdom...and the other twenty percent isn't very important. Jubal Harshaw (Stranger in a Strange Land)
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On the other hand, if his site plans to eventually run multiple oracle guests with little/zero down time to add LPAR memory as more guests are added , then sizing the LPAR memory now to avoid LPAR outages later is prudent. This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Duerbusch Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 1:28 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: VM Newbie Question The first question that pops into my mind is, why do you think you need that much real memory (central and expanded)? Is it that you have 16 GB real and nothing else to do with it? Is it that you have a current Oracle box that needs more and more memory? The performance characteristics of mainframes are quite a bit different then the other platforms. Your box, should have Ficon/FCP channels. The promos on our IBM DS6800 dasd subsystem, states that if it is properly configured (ours is not), it can do 300,000 I/Os per second. What do your current platforms have? What I'm getting at is, take Intel for example. Very cheap memory. Very cheap MIPS. Poor context switching. Poor I/O rates (unless you spend mainframe type dollars to beef up the I/O subsystem). So you throw lots of cheap memory on the box to knock down the I/O rates. (cheaper than beefing up the I/O subsystem). On the mainframe, we have the I/O subsystem (basically comes standard...well for the price we pay for the box). In my book, you trade memory for a higher I/O rate and you still get great performance. True, you may still need the memory. But just because the Intel side needed the memory, doesn't mean the mainframe side needs it. True, I would keep memory at 16 GB for a POC. But if I had the time, I would scale the memory back, perhaps a GB at a time, until I see performance start to suffer. In other words, take advantage of the resources available on the new-to-you platform. All the rules of thumb that you have seen for Oracle, really need to be rethought in the shared environment of the mainframe. If you treat the mainframe like a PC, it will be a very expensive project. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting FELINE PHYSICS: Law of Cat Motion A cat will move in a straight line, unless there is a really good reason to change direction. Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/18/2007 7:21 AM What is a good ratio of Central to Expanded storage to support an zLinux Oracle workload under zVM 5.3? The LPAR has 16GB assigned and our initial storage split is 12 Central, 4 Expanded. The workloads haven't been moved to this environment yet so we have no tuning numbers available. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL -- A desire not to butt into other people's business is at least eighty percent of all human wisdom...and the other twenty percent isn't very important. Jubal Harshaw (Stranger in a Strange Land)
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The first question that pops into my mind is, why do you think you need that much real memory (central and expanded)? Is it that you have 16 GB real and nothing else to do with it? Is it that you have a current Oracle box that needs more and more memory? The performance characteristics of mainframes are quite a bit different then the other platforms. Your box, should have Ficon/FCP channels. The promos on our IBM DS6800 dasd subsystem, states that if it is properly configured (ours is not), it can do 300,000 I/Os per second. What do your current platforms have? What I'm getting at is, take Intel for example. Very cheap memory. Very cheap MIPS. Poor context switching. Poor I/O rates (unless you spend mainframe type dollars to beef up the I/O subsystem). So you throw lots of cheap memory on the box to knock down the I/O rates. (cheaper than beefing up the I/O subsystem). On the mainframe, we have the I/O subsystem (basically comes standard...well for the price we pay for the box). In my book, you trade memory for a higher I/O rate and you still get great performance. True, you may still need the memory. But just because the Intel side needed the memory, doesn't mean the mainframe side needs it. True, I would keep memory at 16 GB for a POC. But if I had the time, I would scale the memory back, perhaps a GB at a time, until I see performance start to suffer. In other words, take advantage of the resources available on the new-to-you platform. All the rules of thumb that you have seen for Oracle, really need to be rethought in the shared environment of the mainframe. If you treat the mainframe like a PC, it will be a very expensive project. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting FELINE PHYSICS: Law of Cat Motion A cat will move in a straight line, unless there is a really good reason to change direction. Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/18/2007 7:21 AM What is a good ratio of Central to Expanded storage to support an zLinux Oracle workload under zVM 5.3? The LPAR has 16GB assigned and our initial storage split is 12 Central, 4 Expanded. The workloads haven't been moved to this environment yet so we have no tuning numbers available. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL -- A desire not to butt into other people's business is at least eighty percent of all human wisdom...and the other twenty percent isn't very important. Jubal Harshaw (Stranger in a Strange Land)
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On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 8:21 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is a good ratio of Central to Expanded storage to support an zLinux Oracle workload under zVM 5.3? The LPAR has 16GB assigned and our initial storage split is 12 Central, 4 Expanded. The workloads haven't been moved to this environment yet so we have no tuning numbers available. All the recommendations I've seen have topped out at 4GB for XSTOR. So, as a first SWAG, I think you're in decent shape. What are you running for a performance monitor? That will probably be a critical factor once you start moving the work. Mark Post
VM Newbie Question
What is a good ratio of Central to Expanded storage to support an zLinux Oracle workload under zVM 5.3? The LPAR has 16GB assigned and our initial storage split is 12 Central, 4 Expanded. The workloads haven't been moved to this environment yet so we have no tuning numbers available. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL -- A desire not to butt into other people's business is at least eighty percent of all human wisdom...and the other twenty percent isn't very important. Jubal Harshaw (Stranger in a Strange Land)
Re: Newbie on SMTP
Marcy Cortes wrote: Arghh... Was that 20 years ago? Martha's making me feel old... That was just after I started there. Not a fun day! Marcy Cortes OK, I'll ask: where was there? I remember where I was, a large software company with some BITNET connections, through which the worm entered. I remember terrifying one of my managers by querying the system queues on RSCS that morning; she thought all the MSGs from RSCS meant that I had been stupid enough to run the damned thing. I can't imagine it got into most for-profit enterprises. It's not like it had been uploaded to MEMO XMAS or something. Nick
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One benefit of reading email on VM that no one has mentioned, viruses. I never worry about unidentified email and their attachments when using MAILBOOK on my CMS account. That is why most of my listserv subscriptions go there. Hasn't been a virus/trojan on VM since the XMAS EXEC 20 years ago. Martha
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I am having a brain fart here. From your example below we can put all the stuff together and just sendfile to SMTP with out the (SMTP at the end. Or what am I missing? Yes, that is all you need to do. Ed Zell (309) 674-8255 x-107 [EMAIL PROTECTED] . CONFIDENTIAL NOTICE: This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately, delete the communication and destroy all copies. Thank you for your compliance.
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Hello Ed, Thanks This may solve a problem of mine. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Zell Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 8:01 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP I am having a brain fart here. From your example below we can put all the stuff together and just sendfile to SMTP with out the (SMTP at the end. Or what am I missing? Yes, that is all you need to do. Ed Zell (309) 674-8255 x-107 [EMAIL PROTECTED] . CONFIDENTIAL NOTICE: This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately, delete the communication and destroy all copies. Thank you for your compliance.
Re: Newbie on SMTP
Yes, David, I would have checked with Richard Schafer first. /Fran On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:26:36 -0400 David Boyes said: You may want to hold off sending out copies of Ricemail. Ricemail was never completely free - you always had to get a copy directly from Richard, and the last pre-commercial version (92.1, I think) was the one that Richard permitted you to continue running without updates if you wanted but under the condition that you didn't pass it on to anyone else. I'd check with Richard first before circulating it. -Original Message- From: Fran Hensler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 9/4/06 4:15 PM Yes, Shimon, RiceMail was free from Rice University. I might be able to dig up a copy from a very old archive tape. /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 43 years [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153 Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock
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My questions are: How to send with a subject line, how to change from address and any other options I can potentially use. Is this documented somewhere? Thanks, Mike Horlick Mike, I know you got a lot of responses, but I thought I would put an example together for you. Here is a CMS file that will send an email from my work account to my home account. I simply send the file to SMTP after I am done editing it. Let me know if you would like an example that sends an attachment along with the email. Ed Zell (309) 674-8255 x-107 [EMAIL PROTECTED] HELO vm.illinoismutual.com MAIL FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCPT TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DATA Date:5 Sep 2006 From:Ed Zell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Zell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hi Ed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a test message from my work email account to my home account. . QUIT . CONFIDENTIAL NOTICE: This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately, delete the communication and destroy all copies. Thank you for your compliance.
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Thanks Ed, I'll give it a whirl and let you know. Mike -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Zell Sent: September 5, 2006 9:18 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie on SMTP My questions are: How to send with a subject line, how to change from address and any other options I can potentially use. Is this documented somewhere? Thanks, Mike Horlick Mike, I know you got a lot of responses, but I thought I would put an example together for you. Here is a CMS file that will send an email from my work account to my home account. I simply send the file to SMTP after I am done editing it. Let me know if you would like an example that sends an attachment along with the email. Ed Zell (309) 674-8255 x-107 [EMAIL PROTECTED] HELO vm.illinoismutual.com MAIL FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCPT TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DATA Date:5 Sep 2006 From:Ed Zell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Zell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hi Ed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a test message from my work email account to my home account. . QUIT . CONFIDENTIAL NOTICE: This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately, delete the communication and destroy all copies. Thank you for your compliance.
