Re: [IceHorses] I have a question about feed
> So it isn't the pellets. It is alfalfa itself. I > don't like to feed any horse alfalfa. Thanks Judy I > know people who say, but they need protein. Is that true? Sure, horses need protein, but alfalfa has too much for them. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Hrimnir Saddle
>>>I have a hrimnir and do ride alot in it. It has a flexible tree in it so I don´t find it hard for the horse to wear but it´s definitly not for short backed horses or saddle backed horses either.< -Hey - I don't know anything about the saddles .. but that sure is a cute horse! Penny
Re: [IceHorses] Isak
He is the prettiest boy!! I'm in love with him. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Maja again
On 02/03/2008, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Janice, I need a caption? I don't think it needs a caption. Her look is fairly expressive... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Saddle report from the AERC convention
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > BTW, I've only seen one Boz saddle. Anna Hopkins, who bought Falki, had one > and brought it here to try on him. She tried it on Falki. I wasn't quite > sure how I felt about it when I saw it on him, but I thought it was probably > too narrow for him, and possibly too long - but on the other hand, it didn't > just scream out "bad fit." However, we rode Falki back to back in the > Sensation and in the Boz, and he definitely moved out better in the > Sensation. I got the feeling he didn't care for the Boz. I certainly don't > have anything against the Boz - it was an interesting saddle, and it may > work fine for some horses. But, I sure didn't see it as any miracle > one-saddle-fits-all solution either, assuming Anna's was typical. > Liz thought that the saddle fit Falki fine, but since Gloi's got more withers, I think he's a better match for the Boz. He seems to like the Boz better than the sensation and Falki's used to the sensation. Gloi seems to fuss a lot more when I'm saddling up with the sensation than with the Boz. I can get on him with the girth pretty loose and it doesn't move. As far as comfort for me, they are both equally comfortable for me, but the Boz feels a bit more secure. -- Anna Southern Ohio
Re: [IceHorses] NATRC
>> > May be that there may be another organization in your area. Around > here instead of NATRC rides there is the OAATS. > I think that the SE part of the US has SEDRA. Don't > know about out west. Apparently OAATS is only in the Mid West and SEDRA is in the South East. I can find NATRC in California, but so far nothing within reasonable driving distance of us in Oregon. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Hrimnir Saddle
On 02/03/2008, Ingvar Ragnarsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A pic of me and Mjölnir on the way home after a > four day trip, when this pic is taken we have > only 15kilometers left in the rain. Oh...that looks like a cold day to ride.. Lovely pic though. Looks like a nice solid horse. > by the way hrimnir is one of the "widest" > saddle´s you can by up here on this frozen island How wide is it between the buttons? Do you have pics of the gullet? Are those wrinkles by his withers? > but then you have imported wintec ,top rider.. > I think Wintec is good saddle in many way´s what do you think? My daughter had a wintec with the widest gullet possible for her mare, and it was still to narrow. Elska really went pacey in that saddle. Took us a while to realize it though...then along came the sensation and her lovely range of gaits came back.. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Hrimnir Saddle
On 02/03/2008, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > HAHAHAHA oh gosh we are pathetic, looking for any excuse to post > photos of our little sweetie pies! Yes...I have a ton more pics waiting in the wings. I'm just waiting for an opportunity to spring them onto the list. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Specific Treed Saddle Review
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:22 PM, susan cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Would it flex from the horse's shoulder moving? Probably not, but my Boz doesn't sit on my horse's shoulder. > > > > I would NOT buy his saddle. He does not have a demo > program for one, and for two, he promotes a certain > style of riding and I've heard from several off list > that if his saddle doesn't work for your horse it's > because of the way you ride. So I put an X over his saddle. He's a strange bird. If you call him on the phone be prepared to be there for a long time. I really worried about buying it because of the no return/no trial policy, but the other saddles I was looking at in 2003 were custom and non returnable either. I noticed that his saddles were hard to find and were selling on the endurance list for about what a new one cost so I figured I could sell it for not much of a loss if need be. He does make them custom and puts you name on the saddle. I was afraid to use my Port Lewis impression pad for a long time after I got it, but when I did I was very pleased with the results. There is an all leather version of the saddle I have (I have the cheaper sheepskin) selling on ebay for about what I paid for mine. It was the narrow twist like mine, which I think flexes even more because there is a little less tree. -- Anna Southern Ohio
Re: [IceHorses] Getting close...
Wow! Flekka has quite the belly. It's interesting that both mares have that stretched back end that you start to see them having towards the end of their terms. I wonder if a platform would help ease that? I was training Dagur to trailer load during the time that Elska was pregnant. I would often find her with her front half inside the trailer. I always wondered if she was taking the opportunity to stretch her back. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] NATRC
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Guess why I haven't heard of > NATRC around here. > May be that there may be another organization in your area. Around here instead of NATRC rides there is the OAATS. They don't have the obstacle judging, campsite judging and the zillion rules that NATRC has. The basic premise of judging your horse's condition at the end of the ride vs beginning of the ride, but more laid back with the rules like AERC. I think that the SE part of the US has SEDRA. Don't know about out west. Here's an excerpt from the website about competitive riding. There are two distinct disciplines of distance riding. The first is called Competitive Trail Riding or CTR. CTR is a timed event that judges an individual horses finishing condition against the same horses starting condition. Points are deducted for any condition considered to be worse at the end of the ride by the veterinary and lay judges. The points are considered for pulse rate, soundness, quality of gait, and metabolic conditions. The horse finishing the ride with the highest score over all is considered the winner. Competitive rides are great for entry-level riders. The rides are usually only 25 miles to 40 miles in length a day and most offer a novice ride of 10 to 20 miles. These rides are ridden at an average pace of 5 to 7 miles per hour, and all riders must complete the same course within the same amount of time.� Rules for CTR�s vary by geographic region so when competing in a CTR be sure you know the rules for that rides governing body.� All rides sanctioned by OAATS, Inc. are governed under the OAATS rules.� (for a copy of the rules check out the CTR Rule Page) What I like about these rides is you have an organized ride, can literally go on your own, marked trails, vets and other sane people. Being fairly new to horses (8 years), I don't know that many people who are into trail riding. The people I know are associated with 4 H and showing. I made the mistake of going on a trail ride with some people in our area that I didn't know that well. Didn't take long for the beers to come out. It was getting dark and they were still heading farther away. Calvin didn't want to go any farther. He wanted to go home and I agreed. We left the others and went back alone. By the time we got home it was pitch dark. The CTR rides have more sane riders who are usually helpful and do anything to keep their horses healthy. The novice rides are under 20 miles and are usually closer to 5 mph pace. Calvin's walk was 4 mph so really didn't take a lot of trotting or cantering. We had to really slow down to not come in under time. Come in too soon or too late and you lose points. Doesn't take a lot of conditioning to have a horse able to do a novice ride. You can do these forever. You are not forced to move up. I don't look at this as competition but a safe way to do trail rides in other areas that I'd never do on my own. -- Anna Southern Ohio
Re: [IceHorses] Getting close...
>>> Look at them cute bellies!! Who's the sires? Melnir. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] What I know about Bibi
She sounds pretty...like a rose greyplease send photos. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] I have a question about feed
> > It's not that the Icelandics can't digest them, it's > that the carbs, sugar, > and protein are too high in alfalfa, which may have > a negative affect on > Icelandics in regard to founder, laminitis, insulin > resistance, cushings. So it isn't the pellets. It is alfalfa itself. I don't like to feed any horse alfalfa. Thanks Judy I know people who say, but they need protein. Is that true? Lorraine Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] Getting close...
Flekka has quite the belly! V Yeah, come June, she'll be doing lots of sit-ups... :) Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Dreadlocks
> Here's her "after" picture. > Ahh. What a sweety. Lorraine Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] Dreadlocks
> Here's her "after" picture. > Ahh. What a sweety. Lorraine Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] Dreadlocks
> Here's her "after" picture. > Ahh. What a sweety. Lorraine Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] First Rides
>>> The way we started Tosca worked so well that the plan is to do the same >>> thing with Yrsa. I did all the ground work. Then our fearless grandson Gabriel did the first few trips under saddle in the round pen. Then I rode her a few times and turned her over to Bev Hoogendyk to do the first rides out on trail. That went so well that I let her keep on riding her way longer than I meant to. Same thing - since I broke my back flying off Tali, I have a very real aversion to coming off and it inhibits some types of training. If it works well, I don't see any reason to try to change things - unless of course, there's something unique about the horse that dictates a new approach. Shirley ground drove Runa more than any horse I ever remember. Runa just seemed to take to the driving, so why not do everything you can before you mount? This wasn't a particular plan - it just felt right. We just barely got Maja started under saddle last summer, so she'll be back in training sometime after the baby gets here. Then we still have to get Svertla going under saddle - we got her started with ground driving and ground work, and we lay across her back, but no real riding yet. And MAYBE, we'll decide to try to do more with Angie this spring...then there's Ima, who will be four on May 1, and who seems mentally ready to start at any time now. I need to stop this silly distracting work thing, and just play with horses all day. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Avoiding Weekend Warrior syndrome
>> maybe that was an attempt to answer to my question about how you and others avoid Weekend Warrior Syndrome I ride my horse enough during the week that I don't think this would be an issue for us. >> Many people have work/personal schedules (at least sometimes) that prevent them from taking "a few long rides" during the week true. >>I hoped a few of you (Raven, Susan...) would share their schedules and experiences i work from 7:30 am to 1:30 pm...home pretty early in the day...which is nice. >>Raven, haven't you said that you and Huginn don't ride at all during the winter? we don't haul out (unless roads are dry) or horse camp during the winter. and i have friends who are always willing to pick us up. depending on the year, i can camp into mid nov. and some years as early as mid march. i do work huginn during the winter months. i have read on endurance lists...that is a horse is in tip top condition you can give them up to two months off without losing any conditioning. since huginn was ill last year...we will need to rebuild his condition back up this spring in hopes of getting back into our camping/riding routine. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] Maja and Kola
Kola seems to me to be an absolute clone of her mother, Maja. I don't think still pictures show it so clearly. Today, I grabbed two quick videos of Kola, then Maja, walking towards me. (I put a still pic of the two of them in the middle, Kola first, then Maja last.) Can you see the resemblence - looks and mannerisms? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pw60be0ndk I expect Kola will mature as broad as Mama Majawell, maybe not as broad as pregnant Maja. Maja flat walks, foxtrot and run walks. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Getting close...
Look at them cute bellies!! Who's the sires? Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] First Rides
Today, though was my day. She feels nice and > stable. Way to go Karen. The way we started Tosca worked so well that the plan is to do the same thing with Yrsa. I did all the ground work. Then our fearless grandson Gabriel did the first few trips under saddle in the round pen. Then I rode her a few times and turned her over to Bev Hoogendyk to do the first rides out on trail. That went so well that I let her keep on riding her way longer than I meant to. Same thing - since I broke my back flying off Tali, I have a very real aversion to coming off and it inhibits some types of training. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Another Tosca Firsat
She doesn't have Yrsa's sweet little girl expression, but she's a delight to be around. She sounds lovely, Nancy. I'm so happy she's being so good for you. I normally let Shirley do the first few rides on my young horses - since I broke my back six years ago, I'm a little wimpy about a few things and the first ride is one of them. I'm usually on them by maybe the 4th or 5th ride however. This year, though, work, then the flu, then pneumonia all got in the way, so I just told Shirley to keep on going with her. She's been riding her only about once or twice a week - so the progress hasn't been too fast, just steady. Today, though was my day. Cary wasn't out with the camera, but I took a quick ride on her in the arena. She feels nice and stable. Her steering isn't perfect yet, and she's still a little prone to stop and go, but she's not nervous or jumpy. She's a nice size for me - reasonably broad, but not so wide that I feel like I'm sitting on a table top. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Another Tosca Firsat
Last 2 times I took Andi out, > I got hurt! I hurt my foot today when I dismounted - > came down on my right foot wrong. Damn, clutzy old woman! I'm sorry. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Dreadlocks
> > > Those blondes are "special" :-). What's this? She's making sport of her less glamorous friends? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Another Tosca Firsat
--- Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> so I took Tosca out on her first solo trail ride.<< Good for you and Tosca! Last 2 times I took Andi out, I got hurt! I hurt my foot today when I dismounted - came down on my right foot wrong. Damn, clutzy old woman! Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] Manure Spreader
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Ferne Fedeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Ann Cassidy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:54 PM, pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a manure spreader that can be > > > pulled behind an ATV? These look nice but don't know the first thing > > > about features to look for: > > > > > Ferne has one and she can give details. I think she is very pleased with > > it. > > > > Ann > > > > > > Yes, I just love the Newer Spreader. I've probably had it about 5 years > > and pull it > > >behind either our ATV or the Garden tractor. It has about the same > capacity or more >as our big Rubbermaid cart that we used to use or more. Susan Young of > Saddle Up >Tack in Florida bought one soon after I got mine, so you could always > check with >her too. >Ferne Ooops. Sort of goofed up that middle sentence... I use to clean the stalls and pens of 3 horses and a donkey. They are in at night and out in pasture or paddocks during the day. Just to give you an idea of the capacity. It wouldn't work for a large number of horses--or you would have to make multiple trips. Ferne
Re: [IceHorses] Manure Spreader
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Ann Cassidy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:54 PM, pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a manure spreader that can be > > pulled behind an ATV? These look nice but don't know the first thing > > about features to look for: > > > Ferne has one and she can give details. I think she is very pleased with > it. > > Ann Yes, I just love the Newer Spreader. I've probably had it about 5 years and pull it behind either our ATV or the Garden tractor. It has about the same capacity or more as our big Rubbermaid cart that we used to use or more. Susan Young of Saddle Up Tack in Florida bought one soon after I got mine, so you could always check with her too. Ferne
Re: [IceHorses] Dreadlocks
Yrsa wants the number of her hair dresser. She thinks that inside, she has the heart of a blonde. Nancy
[IceHorses] Another Tosca Firsat
It's beautiful and sunny here this afternoon after several days of cold rain. It seemed like a good day to go do some arena work with Tosca. However, when I got to Creekside, one of the girls was having her lesson in the riding ring. It seemed that the polite thing to do was not to join her with my green horse, so I took Tosca out on her first solo trail ride. She was wonderful. We saw a couple of slow moving pickup trucks on the log road above the trail and a crazed grey squirrel and there was someone shooting about a mile up the road. She did big flinches every time the gun went off, but nothing else on her body changed. Then I brought her back to the barn, clipped her bridle path and put her in the wash rack and ran warm water on her legs to clean off the mucky trail mud. She doesn't have Yrsa's sweet little girl expression, but she's a delight to be around. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Dreadlocks
I'm glad I don't live nearby. I would be very jealous of her blonde mane. We have black x four here. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Dreadlocks
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They brush out very easily. That surprises me! I thought they'd be difficult to brush out. V
Re: [IceHorses] Getting close...
Oh boy - can't wait to see the babies. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Track System
The circle makes a HUGE difference... I did not believe it until I saw it, it really is amazing... -- I and my horses love our track system!!! http://picasaweb.google.com/dakota.charm/TrackSystem The Soul of a Horse ~ has touched my soul, may it touch yours too! ~ thesoulofahorse.com/Pre-Order-Reviews.htm ~
Re: [IceHorses] Track system
Karen, have you read the book, the track is a continuous oval, I think Jammie suggests that it be even narrower then 20, I like 20, I like having the narrow areas too... they MOVE.. which is what you want them to do... It took my Hubby a little while to get his mind around it too... in the areas you want them to hang out, then you can have that area wider, your area sounds more like a dead end, you do need Dead ends to be wider... -- I and my horses love our track system!!! http://picasaweb.google.com/dakota.charm/TrackSystem The Soul of a Horse ~ has touched my soul, may it touch yours too! ~ thesoulofahorse.com/Pre-Order-Reviews.htm ~
Re: [IceHorses] Track System
>>>I think that the Track system helps with keeping horses in shape... I'm skeptical that would add serious conditioning to an average horse. Sure, it may be better than having horses standing in a small dry lot all day. Right now, most of my horses are in a contiguous pasture of about 18 acres, with the center area (8-10 acres maybe) essentially a dry lot and the outlying pastures (now open) have some grass, albeit not overly lush. The geldings play a good bit, and the whole herd migrates from one area to another, across the dry lot, throughout the day. Even with that much room to roam and play, and with Buck the mini mule personal trainer in charge of Skjoni's daily fitness plan, I still don't see Skjoni as being in great fitness at the moment, certainly relating to weight-carrying issues for any distance. Cary rode him twice this weekend, and once each weekend for the prior two weekends...but he's proceeding very slowly. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Track system
>>> We have 4-strand, electrified, hi-tensile perimeter fence, so I've got >>> to have something VERY horse friendly if I'm going to do a corridor >>> with that for the outside. My husband also suggested we not go >>> narrower than 20 feet. Renee, we have what we refer to as the "runway" between two of our big pastures and it's about 45 feet wide, and about 1200 feet long - about an acre. It's that wide because of other circumstances (we were only able to buy the land in increments and we lease the adjoining pasture, thus the odd shape.) I'm always wary about how many horses I put in the area, and if there are more than a couple, I try to open some of the gates into the adjoining pastures. Twenty feet may be fine for 2, 3, maybe 4 very compatible horses, but if you have more than that, or if there's any squabbling going on, I wouldn't go that narrow, especially if there has to be any corners in your track. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Saddle report from the AERC convention
--- Renee Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I would feel VERY encouraged if I heard people doing 25, 50 and 100 miles on a regular basis were finding no problems doing those miles in a treeless. It's actually what I would have preferred to hear.<< They are successful in treeless! I didn't mean everyone doing treeless was giving up, just some, for whatever reason. But there are a lot of people who are very successful doing that kind of milage treeless. Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] Track system (was Avoiding Weekend Warrior syndrome)
I was just talking to Dan, we have 12 feet in some areas, 15 feet in other areas, and 20 the rest of the areas, then I have a couple wider areas... with the 5 horses on maybe 2 acres of pasture, I am not mowing much at all, they eat it down very quicly, I do have to mow, drag, tend to the POOP areas though... On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Debbie K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- I and my horses love our track system!!! http://picasaweb.google.com/dakota.charm/TrackSystem The Soul of a Horse ~ has touched my soul, may it touch yours too! ~ thesoulofahorse.com/Pre-Order-Reviews.htm ~
Re: [IceHorses] Track system (was Avoiding Weekend Warrior syndrome)
Make it narrow in some areas, it increases movement... kind of pushes them through... I and my horses love our track system!!! http://picasaweb.google.com/dakota.charm/TrackSystem The Soul of a Horse ~ has touched my soul, may it touch yours too! ~ thesoulofahorse.com/Pre-Order-Reviews.htm ~
RE: [IceHorses] Saddle report from the AERC convention
No, my point was: I would feel VERY encouraged if I heard people doing 25, 50 and 100 miles on a regular basis were finding no problems doing those miles in a treeless.It's actually what I would have preferred to hear.: )It would make me feel even better about my little piddly-widdly rides at the local park in a treeless or bareback pad.So far, so good, but it would just be neat to hear they worked for more serious riding as well. Renee, you might want to join the treelesssaddles list, even if it's just long enough to read the archives. A few of us Icelandic owners were among the original list members, but the list has really grown over the three years its been in existence. At this point, it seems to me that majority of the list members are distance riders, not simple pleasure riders like me. There are also a few dressage riders, some pleasure riders, a few doing western games...and one brave soul who both foxhunts AND does endurance rides in her Sensation. I don't know about you, but some foxhunt pictures seem EXTREME to me - fun, maybe but wild and crazy. There are tons of reports of successful endurance rides in treeless saddles. One rider from Virginia wrote just today that she'd estimate that maybe 40% of the riders she encounters at endurance rides in NC, SC, Virginia and Georgia are in treeless saddles. Maybe that's just regional though, but sometime back, I seem to remember reading a saddle survey on the AERC site (or endurance.net?) where there was a poll of what saddles were used at certain rides. This was several years ago. BMSS had a notable number...and most people would agree that there are newer and more innovative models available now.Someone told me today that April Battles, a BMSS sport saddle dealer, has done numerous endurance rides, including (supposedly?) 28 completions in the past 16 months. Bear in mind, I don't KNOW April Battles, but this is what I was told. (She's in the heavyweight division.) There are so many reports from list members about rides they've completed, that I can't begin to name them all. If you join the treeless list, search for names Flora, Lucy, Beverly, Karen Sullivan, Sarah Seashols, Ericka, and Lee, just to name a few. Mind you, I don't know these people, and I don't claim first hand knowledge...but we've done lots of testing of saddles here, and big old Cary rides Skjoni in a Sensation, and it works better for them than any other saddle they've ever tried. We watch Skjoni's back carefully too...we take in rehabs, so the last thing we want to do is MAKE a rehab. Cary has built up to riding about 20-25-ish miles in a weekend a few times in the two years he's been riding Skjoni in the Sensation - certainly not endurance distances, but Cary IS a darned big guy on a pony. :) If he had the time, I'm sure he'd ride even more - assuming Skjoni stayed healthy and sound. At the first sign of a problem, we'd be off in search of a solution...we'd never risk Skjoni's soundness. The treeless list is a pretty open list. I can't count the number of times that people thought all was well with their horse, then saw some problem, then the rider went to work (often with list help) to find a solution - such as changing stirrup position, changing pads...you name it. I'm sure many of these problems wouldn't show up for "normal" trail riders, but it's good for me to hear about it all. The good news is that the problems are often fixable. It's certainly no rah-rah mindless Shangri-La. There are people on the list who still ride part-time in treed saddles, and some who ride in flexpanels, as well as some who are just beginning to test the waters. Yep, there are a FEW list members who only seem to be on the list because they think that "treeless, barefoot and bitless" is some holy trinity they must achieve in order to be New Age and cool, but I think most of the list members simply want what's best for their horses and were driven to treeless because of the problems they had with treed saddles - sound familiar? :). At any rate, there is much discussion of problems, along with discussions of which saddles work best with which type horses, and then there's the ever-mind-boggling discussions about padding options. The list certainly isn't about posturing and chest-beating, at least not for the most part. >>> Yup. That would be my problem too. I detest the proverbial "weekend >>> warriers", and I won't be one. You and me both...And Cary... :) Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: 3/1/2008 5:41 PM
[IceHorses] Track system (was Avoiding Weekend Warrior syndrome)
> I think that the Track system helps with keeping horses in shape... I am hoping that's the case here. I am researching options at the moment for my "inside" fencing. We have 4-strand, electrified, hi-tensile perimeter fence, so I've got to have something VERY horse friendly if I'm going to do a corridor with that for the outside. My husband also suggested we not go narrower than 20 feet. Man, that means I'm still going to spend most of the summer mowing, at least for a few years. Oh well. I really want to try this containment system. -- Renee M. in Michigan > > > I and my horses love our track system!!! > http://picasaweb.google.com/dakota.charm/TrackSystem > The Soul of a Horse ~ has touched my soul, may it touch yours too! > ~ thesoulofahorse.com/Pre-Order-Reviews.htm ~ > > > IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses > > "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." > > "All truth passes through three stages. > First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. > Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer > > > [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com > [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com > [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo > [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: 03/01/2008 5:41 PM > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: 03/01/2008 5:41 PM
Re: [IceHorses] I have a question about feed
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had asked if Alfalfa pellets are bad for Icelandics > last week. I heard from someone that Icelandics can't > digest them or something. Any answers??? Thanks > > I think they can digest them but don't need that much protein. They do well on low sugar, low protein grass hay. I think that the alfalfa was formulated for dairy cows nutritional needs not horses. That being said, I know there are areas where alfalfa hay and or pellets are most widely available and that some people feed them. I will be happy to hear what others think. Ann
Re: [IceHorses] Avoiding Weekend Warrior syndrome
I think that the Track system helps with keeping horses in shape... I and my horses love our track system!!! http://picasaweb.google.com/dakota.charm/TrackSystem The Soul of a Horse ~ has touched my soul, may it touch yours too! ~ thesoulofahorse.com/Pre-Order-Reviews.htm ~
Re: [IceHorses] I have a question about feed
>I had asked if Alfalfa pellets are bad for Icelandics > last week. I heard from someone that Icelandics can't > digest them or something. Any answers??? Thanks Sorry for not responding about my experience with alfalfa. I use alfalfa / bermuda grass pellets for treats for clicker training. It's not that the Icelandics can't digest them, it's that the carbs, sugar, and protein are too high in alfalfa, which may have a negative affect on Icelandics in regard to founder, laminitis, insulin resistance, cushings. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] I have a question about feed
> I had asked if Alfalfa pellets are bad for Icelandics > last week. I heard from someone that Icelandics can't > digest them or something. Any answers??? Thanks Hi Lorraine, We have hay cubes made from alfalfa here, not sure I've ever seen alfalfa pellets, except for rabbits. : ) Anyway, I've purchased regular hay with alfalfa in it as well as the hay cubes made with alfalfa My only problem with my horses was it was likely too rich and contributed to waistline problems.Some people report their horses react like ADD kids who get a sugar overload when fed alfalfa. I think my answer would be: Try to stick to grass hay if you can, and go sparingly with the alfalfa pellets / cubes / hay if you can't. Also, with alfalfa hay grown in the western states, there is a danger of increased chances of your horse growing an enterolith in it's colon. Here's a study done at UCDavis about this: http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/VSR/gastrolab/TOPICS.html This does not seem to be a problem (or as big a problem) with alfalfa hay grown elsewhere. I am not sure if this would apply to alfalfa pellets made from hay grown out west as well. Sorry I can't be of more help with your question. Maybe someone else can answer from experience. -- Renee M. in Michigan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: 03/01/2008 5:41 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Avoiding Weekend Warrior syndrome
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>I hoped a few of you (Raven, Susan...) would share their schedules and experiences. << Well, here is my schedule: I work 13 1/2 hour days on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, so no matter the time of year, I don't do anything on those days but come home and crash! Every other weekend, I go to my second job which is 70 miles away, so I stay in a motel. I leave Friday about 2pm, so I usually have a chance to get in a morning ride on one horse. I leave 5:30 am on Monday morning, so I have all day Monday. Then, on the weekends I don't work, I have 4 days in a row to ride. (Actually, with my schedule, I work less days than someone who works 8 hour days 5 days a week, I just work WY more hours in those days) When I condition, I pick a 6 mile loop, and try to improve my time so I can do this loop in 1 hour and 15 minutes easily. This time of year, I am happy to do this loop in 1 hour 30 minutes. We will walk 10 minutes, trot 10 minutes, and repeat. I have never in my life trotted for 30 minutes in a row. Then when my horse tells me (by HR and recovery) that she is in shape, I will increase my distance. After she is comfortable with the new distance, I will try to improve my time doing it. But every single week, they always get the 3 days in a row off, and every other weekend, they do easy rides on Friday and Monday. Now that I have 2 horses to condition, I want to start riding one and ponying the other. But Andi is not in "conditioning" he is still in training on the trail. Once he is reliable, I plan on taking turns with who gets ridden and who gets ponied, but I want them both to go out. Because the problem with my schedule is that my house has gone to pot! I do not have time to keep it neat and clean. But we all have our priorities. Of course, all this is if everything is going well and there are no training issues on the trail. I do not "compete" in endurance. To me, it is a way to get out and see more trails with other people like me. There are a lot of people doing endurance that do not "compete". Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] Dreadlocks
> Took a picture of the dreadlocks in Charm's mane > today. > > Very Bob Marley. Lorraine Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[IceHorses] I have a question about feed
I had asked if Alfalfa pellets are bad for Icelandics last week. I heard from someone that Icelandics can't digest them or something. Any answers??? Thanks Lorraine Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] Saddle report from the AERC convention
> > Oh man. . . not what I'd hoped to hear. > > Renee, I have fantasies too :), but from living vicariously thru myfriend Susan, I think it would be better to start out with competitive trail riding with the NATRC before getting into endurance.< Janice, Oh goodness, I didn't mean to imply I was any sort of distance rider, or that I had fantasies of being one (okay, okay: SOMEDAY, I would like to try competitive trail. . . when the kids are older. . . when I have more time. . . when I don't have to work so much. etc. etc. I guess I DO have some fantasies in the LD realm : )) No, my point was: I would feel VERY encouraged if I heard people doing 25, 50 and 100 miles on a regular basis were finding no problems doing those miles in a treeless.It's actually what I would have preferred to hear. : )It would make me feel even better about my little piddly-widdly rides at the local park in a treeless or bareback pad.So far, so good, but it would just be neat to hear they worked for more serious riding as well. > I frequently ride with my friend susan as she trains and conditions her horse and i would just love to go but I cant seem to ride enough to get one of mine in peak condition, where it can gait or trot nonstop for a half hour or so without being completely winded.< Yup. That would be my problem too. I detest the proverbial "weekend warriers", and I won't be one. -- Renee M. in Michigan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: 03/01/2008 5:41 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Getting close...
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here are pictures of Flekka (pinto) and Maja (black), due in about 5-8 > weeks. Note the profile of Maja at the right edge of the picture of Flekka, > the pinto. > Flekka has quite the belly! V
[IceHorses] Avoiding Weekend Warrior syndrome
>>> K...if you ride your horse a few days during the week...long slow >>> rides, you could easily do a CTR ride on the weekend. Granted...not >>> endurance, but still a fun ride. IF I wanted to do a CTR. But, I don't want to and I've said that many times, so I'm not sure why you're addressing that to me. But, now that I think about it, maybe that was an attempt to answer to my question about how you and others avoid Weekend Warrior Syndrome. Just bear in mind that avoiding Weekend Warrior Syndrome isn't always about competing. That's why I'm not sure what you're talking about - competing isn't on our radar screen, and it won't ever be. Many people have work/personal schedules (at least sometimes) that prevent them from taking "a few long rides" during the week. I have some freedom to ride during the week NOW, but most of my adult life, I have had practically no time during the week, especially during the short-daylight months. Cary has had no spare time to ride until the past three weekends, not since about Christmas, and even now, he's restricted to weekends. With daylight savings time coming up, he MIGHT have some weekday times, but probably not much for a while since his work is expanding again. (His work has been more normal tempo for the past two years, until the past couple of months when it became very hectic again.) I suspect there are a lot of Cary's out there... I know there are books out there on the topic of conditioning for distance rides, but I hoped a few of you (Raven, Susan...) would share their schedules and experiences. I seem to have picked up some flavor of how Nancy approaches her training/conditioning of Hunter, even though I don't remember her posting directly to that subject. It sounds like Nancy rides some all year, with no extended layoff? Raven, haven't you said that you and Huginn don't ride at all during the winter? Cary hasn't ridden much, but Skjoni hasn't had a complete layoff. How do you bring Huginn back to fitness after several months off? Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Funky Trot
> http://goldminephotography.smugmug.com/gallery/3277976_LLt5R#181775920_PjSFy This is the correct URL for the last photo: http://goldminephotography.smugmug.com/gallery/3277976_LLt5R#181775920_PjSFy-A-LB Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Funky Trot
So... why are the riders doing this to the horses? > > Who are the riders? Are they trainers? certified trainers? Holar > graduates? members of the Icelandic Trainers Association? > > If this is the style they are riding, is this what they are > teaching?<<< > > It seems that the majority of professional / certified / holar > graduate / FT > member trainers and riders ride the trot the same way: > > http://goldminephotography.smugmug.com/gallery/3008612_jte7o/1/ > 163317913_tqfg8/Large > > http://goldminephotography.smugmug.com/gallery/3008612_jte7o/1/ > 163647169_4XG5a/Large > > http://goldminephotography.smugmug.com/gallery/ > 3277976_LLt5R#181775920_PjSFy > > This is the trot that is being shown in evaluations The curious thing is that it is not confined to Icelandic riders. I don't know that I've ever seen a horse (mainly arabs) doing a pure trot under saddle in any of the endurance/CTR magazines -- all are a little "funky". (although I'm sure that it would take a very sensitive ear to hear the slight irregularity in the two beat) Even the arabian association isn't too fussy http://www.arabianhorses.org/home/Gallery/Index.asp?i=1049 http://www.arabianhorses.org/home/Gallery/Index.asp?i=1050 Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/
Re: [IceHorses] Funky Trot
This is the trot that is being shown in evaluations Judy H-m-m-m, I've been wishing that they would adopt a more "western" style of riding, and I guess they have -- show ring Western Pleasure. Careful what you wish for . . . . Kat (For those of you who are lucky enough not to see a western pleasure class the horses do a very slow 4 beat "trot", it's not a fox trot as the rear foot lands first)
[IceHorses] Funky Trot
>>>So... why are the riders doing this to the horses? Who are the riders? Are they trainers? certified trainers? Holar graduates? members of the Icelandic Trainers Association? If this is the style they are riding, is this what they are teaching?<<< It seems that the majority of professional / certified / holar graduate / FT member trainers and riders ride the trot the same way: http://goldminephotography.smugmug.com/gallery/3008612_jte7o/1/163317913_tqfg8/Large http://goldminephotography.smugmug.com/gallery/3008612_jte7o/1/163647169_4XG5a/Large http://goldminephotography.smugmug.com/gallery/3277976_LLt5R#181775920_PjSFy This is the trot that is being shown in evaluations Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Silver Color
Here's a post about silver color in Icelandics: http://greenrage.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/pigment-cells-and-the-silver-locus-dog-and-pony-show/ Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Re:Saddle report from the AERC convention
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'll be happy to answer that - I've talked about it on the list many times - BUT, if I do, I'd still like for you to answer the question I asked you first. :) Who is the "they" who said that treeless saddles aren't working?<< Ok, you answered yours, and Cary's riding just doesn 't match up to simple conditioning, so that is maybe why the Sensation is fine for him. The "they" I was referring to was other people in every saddle booth I visited at the Convention. I didn't get their names, and if I did I would not print them without their permission. People there were interested in the flexible saddles and there was always several of us in each booth getting an education on the saddle that was there. When asked what we were riding in now, and how it was working, a huge majority of the people in each booth (different people in each booth, BTW) had treeless, and were looking for more support for longer rides. The majority of these people had every intention of keeping their treeless, but they wanted another option for their horse. To swith out saddles. Now, Karen, please don't take this as treeless bashing. If you read my original post, I specifically said it was not to bash treeless. I plan on keeping mine and I think it is the most comfy saddle I have ever sat in. This is a discussion of other options we Icey people want. It is not to dis you, so please keep your anger in check so we can discuss this without Judy putting an end to it. I have seen posts from people who never post, and I have received private posts from people with questions. It is not who is right and who is wrong, it is about exploring other options. So please don't take it as a slam against you, Carey, or treeless saddles. We have not had many options in the past and treeless was a Godsend to us. Thankfully, the saddle people are listening, and we now have other options. Since endurance people ride so many miles in conditioning and competition, if you want something comfortable for you and your horse, they are the ones to listen to. Plus, many, many Arabs are very short backed and wide, so they have similar problems to Icey people in fitting a saddle. The difference in riding for pleasure and riding endurance, is you may be able to get away with a marginal fit in pleasure riding, but that would NEVER cut the mustard in endurance, so let us listen to whay they say. And of course the treeless list is pro-treeless - that is what the list is for!!! Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Specific Treed Saddle Review
>> I think American Flex and Timberline are just watered down copyright infringements if you go to cathy's web site...you can learn alot of OR/American Flex/ AmerFlex history. Len Brown who developed the OF also developed the American Flex (after OF went bankrupted) since then he has had a few other spin offs with different names. So, you see the American Flex is not a watered down copyright infringement saddle. <:P] "THE LICENSE: This license from the Original Ortho-Flex Saddle Co. was sold to "Rocking R" who then changed their name to Timberline, which was sold to K-B Saddle Shop - who kept the name, SK Saddle, Watson Brothers Saddles (former Rocking R) for a time sold out to Ozark Mountain Saddles who since terminated relations with Richard Watson and the Saddle Ranch. This system is a hybrid of Ortho-Flex Systems I and II." http://www.american-flex.com/history.htm Lots of interesting info on the site. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Re:Saddle report from the AERC convention
K...if you ride your horse a few days during the week...long slow rides, you could easily do a CTR ride on the weekend. Granted...not endurance, but still a fun ride. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Specific Treed Saddle Review
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > About the flexible Boz, where John steps on the > tree: > > How many pounds of pressure does it take to flex the > tree? > > Would it flex from the horse's shoulder moving? > I don't have a clue. He gave me a tape to watch when I got home, and I was half way home before I realized I did not have a tape player anymore. Hubby says we still have it in the bottom of a closet, so I will have to set it up to watch the tape. But I have to say, after reviewing and thinking on everything I saw, I would NOT buy his saddle. He does not have a demo program for one, and for two, he promotes a certain style of riding and I've heard from several off list that if his saddle doesn't work for your horse it's because of the way you ride. So I put an X over his saddle. Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[IceHorses] What I know about Bibi
Bibi came to my place the summer of 1994 with her mother Stella and friend Mura (now Laree's) and Mura's colt Joki and Tivar's mom Litla. The babes were about a month old or less and they stayed until the late fall. I had a nice pasture and knew nothing about Icelandics. I was told not to touch the babies as they would become too pushy. Stella then was very wary and did not like to be caught so I just watched them. They belonged to my mechanics wife and I was in the market for a horse. I though that I wanted any old horse just to ride. I fell in love with Icelandics and bought Stella and Litla. For quite a while I would follow Stella around the pasture until she stopped running from me, I was told she did not like people much. So I have no idea what Bibi was like. I do know that Stella and Litla became good riding horses, both took care of whoever was on them, especially Stella. With little kids, she would walk so carefully. I was told she was too hot for people to ride. I got another older horse after, another Joki, that was too "hot" too and panicked every time I rode him at first. He could run in place and bolt too. He turned out to be a love also and safe for kids. both just needed to trust. Anyway Bibi stayed with her breeder with no real training until the breeder moved and sold all her horses. Donna from the list helped find homes for them. Mura and Princessa went to Rock Ranch, their first Icelandic's I think. Bibi and Joki went to a family in the foothills for the next 10 years or so. They sent Bibi south for training and she came back nervous and was supposedly untrainable or a renegade or something. I called them maybe 8 years ago to ask about her, and was told that she ran off and the woman fell off and broke some bones. I think she was not too experienced, both the woman and Bibi too. They said they would sell her to me for $6000. She then stayed with them, I believe, in a corral after that. They donated her and Joki in 2006 to Project Ride, a therapeutic riding center. They have taken great care of her, regular vet, wormings, farrier etc but she would never be a good horse for them. She can be great then just "goes off" and they need a dead calm horse. They tried to sell her since last summer and no one wanted a horse that did not tolt. ( She has been seen very rarely tolting in the pasture though I was told). The only person that offered to buy her was a "killer" buyer the barn manager luckily had heard of him. Last summer when I talked to her, I asked that she call me if Bibi did not find a good home and I had a place for her. Julie convinced the Project Ride folks to give her to me rather than sell her to that man. I think I need to donate some money to "Project Ride". I do not know if I will keep her but somehow she has been in my mind for 14 years and can you believe that I was taking Surtsey down to Modesto for Mandy to ride her and this call came about Bibi and they were only 1 hour apart. It was fate. Jacki, I loved your story and will keep you updated, I have had her only 1day so the "honeymoon" period is just starting. At this point she feels to me like she is home but I need only 4 Icelandics not 6. (I say that because the two older ones are here for life). What to do?? Bibi is the most interesting color. sometimes grey, sometimes reddish brown with a grey face. Her lower legs are black but her mane is not. She has shed her long hairs that look very light, the few that are left. I think she must have her Mom's cream gene. Stella used to be black but has faded alot with the Cushings and the old age. She will be 25 next month. Ann
Re: [IceHorses] Saddle report from the AERC convention
We go to have > fun and do a "really long trail ride" and camp with > other "horse crazy people". And to see gloriously beautiful trails that we would never even know of otherwise. Susan, I don't like the road down to the Redwoods Ride - it's really awful - but we really should consider meeting over there. It is jaw-dropping awe-inspiring wonderful. I spent more time gasping the first time I rode there than I did riding forward. Nancy
[IceHorses] Re: Specific Treed Saddle Review
> Here is the URL of the videos/pictures I took: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCrBYV53l2Y About the flexible Boz, where John steps on the tree: How many pounds of pressure does it take to flex the tree? Would it flex from the horse's shoulder moving? Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Saddle report from the AERC convention
--- Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I would love to do NATRC, but I have never seen an event advertised in Oregon. << I originally wanted to do NATRC, but the only rides were "over the hill" and I hate taking a car over the hill, let alone a horse trailer. That section of I-80 over the Sierras is so chewed up from snow, trucker's and chains every winter, that is not an option for me. So I looked into endurance and found 2 or 3 rides a month in my "area". And I am not a racer and I do not trot for 1/2 hour straight, for sure. We go to have fun and do a "really long trail ride" and camp with other "horse crazy people". Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] Doing what is best
I was shocked when someone said some people wont > even ride with you if you have shoes on your horses ?!??!? The lady I ride with had a very best forever riding girlfriend. Their husbands were friends. They moved to Oregon together. The guys worked together. When the other lady went barefoot and couldn't convert Gayle, she quit speaking to her. I thought that was oddly un-adult. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Specific Treed Saddle Review
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I think American Flex and Timberline are just watered down copyright infringements,<< I think you have a point there! The Timberline guy said to me the took what the original maker (Les?) had good with the original Ortho-flex(before he sold the patent) and went with it. The original guy kept trying to improve his saddle without any trials, so depending on which model/year Ortho-flex you have depends on weather it works for your horse or injures him. So you're right, but they do admit they copied him. >> Orthoflex has recently, in the last two years, came out with a new shorter, more flexible panel, just for gaited horses,<< I will have to check out their website. Just because I didn't write about a certain saddle wasn't a dis - it's because they were not at the convention. If I'd had my druthers, they would have ALL been there, because I only want one more saddle. >> if I were to buy a treed saddle again I would have it custom made for my horse's back.<< Yea, but I've heard so many horror stories about how people paid up to $4000 for a saddle like that and it didn't work out. Also, the back changes, so that is why I am interested in something flexible, or you can change like the Specialized. Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Doing what is best
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 07:52:55AM -0800, susan cooper wrote: > We all love our Iceys and we want to do what is best > for them. So let us not get into a fight over tree > vs. treeless. Every horse is an individual and every > owner has different needs. I have treeless, but I > also want a treed. That is why I went looking at all > the saddles. Petty fighting and bickering don't do us > any good at all, and do not lead to more knowledge. right on :) i love my sensation(s). i also love my hrimnir (extra-wide). it's all about what's best for each horse-and-rider combination, and as i have multiple riders and multiple kinds of ride, having a few options (and NEVER FORGETTING BAREBACK!! :) i think improves our overall chances of getting the best possible results :) --vicka
[IceHorses] NATRC
It dawned on me that I might just learn something on the NATRC website. It's true. At present there are seven rides scheduled in our region for California sites and an eighth in Alaska. Guess why I haven't heard of NATRC around here. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Head Gear
On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 10:31:02PM -0800, Lynn Kinsky wrote: > > >>> It says the horse was trained by Gudmar, has a soft mouth, and > >>> beautiful > >>> head carriage but this type of head gear would not indicate > >>> that. speaking as someone who's been in gudmar's tack room, it's msotly filled with french-link snaffles of one or another sort of alloy, plus the occasional stangir. i don't know if stjarni's head-carriage is beautiful, but he is soft-mouthed, and gudmar was very adamant about keeping him in the copper-alloy french-link (though i did switch from loose-ring to full-cheek, since that was what i could borrow that fit). --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Dancing Horses
> Dancing horses of South America, the "caballos de paso," > http://tinyurl.com/2htdax This is a good video to watch in regard to what they say about the Paso. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Doing what is best
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 9:52 AM, susan cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We all love our Iceys and we want to do what is best > for them. > Those people with really strong opinions need to > remember that other people are allowed to have > opinions, too, and it doesn't mean one person is wrong > and the other person right. They are just different. thats good Susan, thanks. And we all come from such different perspectives. I didnt even know "barefoot" meants something other than unshod. and I was shocked when someone said some people wont even ride with you if you have shoes on your horses ?!??!? Thats bizarre. So when I would post that all my horses are barefoot and unshod, people would think I ascribed to some pete ramey thing or something, which the opposite is true. Everyone around here who had their horses done by a new "barefoot" farrier who came into this area had their horses turn up lame, so I am an avid UN-believer in some yuppie new ramey type barefoot method. My farrier is so country I doubt he even has a GED and I dont know if he is certified or not. I just know he is the best in this area and I am dang lucky I am on his elite list of customers because he has a waiting list at all times. Good farriers are like that. and as for saddles, my husband has a wide tree tucker he loves and seems to work great on his horse, and as I have said before I love my custom orthoflex stitchdown that Acie at orthoflex whittled on just for me and put the new shorter more flexible panels on. I also don't know of any saddle that could be better than my antique bona allen. I have never seen a saddle that fits every horse i have BUT Tivar which nothing will fit... but imagine a saddle fitting horses needing wide trees, normal trees, or like Jas, a wide tree in front and normal in back... but it is hard as a rock after an hour or so on the trail for MY rear... I just hope from this thread tho people learn no saddle is best for all horses. My jas cannot be ridden in a treeless, he has to have spine clearance completely, 100%, not even a saddle pad becuase of his special fistula problem. i know the right pad could fix that but been there done that... riding in the rain it slipped to one side and rubbbed on his spine, that was the end of that, i could not ride him for five months. I cringe when people say oh thanks! I will run out and get that saddle for my horse! For one thing... lord the money i have spent on bad saddles... I could have bought three custom made saddles for what i have paid on bad saddles, not always bad, but bad for me and or my horse... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Stella and Bibi meeting again
Janice, You sure said the truth about Tivar. I knew he wanted to be someone's "only" horse and #1. it is funny how some horses fir in fine with a gang, and bring ridden every now and again and others want to be the"main horse". Stella and Djangi know they have special laces in my heart just for them and don't mind when others get attention. Tivar always felt left out as he wanted more. I am happy for you both. Ann
Re: [IceHorses] Doing what is best
> Those people with really strong opinions need to > remember that other people are allowed to have > opinions, too, and it doesn't mean one person is wrong > and the other person right. They are just different. Amen to that. Nancy, who lives in the house of "different"
Re: [IceHorses] Saddle report from the AERC convention
I think it would be better to start out with > competitive trail riding with the NATRC before getting into endurance. I would love to do NATRC, but I have never seen an event advertised in Oregon. This could very well be because I am way out of that loop. Does anyone know ? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Re:Saddle report from the AERC convention
There have been times when he can Skjoni have built up to riding as much as 3-4 hours per ride, with maybe 20-25 miles in > a weekend. Okay Karen, I understand that neither you nor Cary has any interest in riding Limited Distance or Endurance, but this is just about the amount of conditioning we give our endurance horses in miles and frequency per week. If they do a competitive ride on a Saturday then they get up to a week's rest. We train in about the way you would condition a human runner, with a schedule that includes long slow days, speed days and climbing days, so this might be harder work than Cary and his horse are doing, but then again, it might not. If he ever goes berserk and wants to try Limited Distance, I'll bet he and his pony would get a nice completion. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] admirable training/foal watch
On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 07:24:43 -0600, you wrote: >Everyone stared at her all afternoon >while we bar b qued Yep. I should have thought that's just exactly what an overdue mare needs to encourage her to foal, a bunch of strangers and their horses standing there staring at her Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
[IceHorses] Doing what is best
We all love our Iceys and we want to do what is best for them. So let us not get into a fight over tree vs. treeless. Every horse is an individual and every owner has different needs. I have treeless, but I also want a treed. That is why I went looking at all the saddles. Petty fighting and bickering don't do us any good at all, and do not lead to more knowledge. It is like the barefoot vs. shoeing for protection. Those people with really strong opinions need to remember that other people are allowed to have opinions, too, and it doesn't mean one person is wrong and the other person right. They are just different. Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
RE: [IceHorses] Head Gear
>>> So, why would someone use this type of rig on a soft-mouthed horse? Why WOULD they...? Who knows? SHOULD they need to? Absolutely not. The picture is not consistent with the words. I'm very skeptical that any horse ridden in a harsh bit is "soft mouthed." I stupidly continued to use the same bit on Holly that she was started in when I first bought her 19 years ago. I used it for maybe a year, and then I switched to a plain snaffle. That first bit had very long TWH shanks - but at least it had a mild Mullen mouth. I can't say for certainty that she was hard-mouthed when I got her at age 3 - that was a long time ago and I was a beginner, so my perspective is very skewed looking back. However, somewhere along the way, she became a very "braced" (or "hard-mouthed") horse, and it took a good natural horseman about 2 hours in the saddle to get her to realize it was ok to give to the bit. She was about 10 at the time. I don't think I would have ever known what to do to break that cycle on my own, not then. Why would anyone want to tread so close to the edge, assuming that the horse in the picture is indeed, still soft-mouthed? Most horses accept good training very quickly, but un-training invariably takes MUCH longer. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: 3/1/2008 5:41 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Saddle report from the AERC convention
> Oh man. . . not what I'd hoped to hear. Renee, I have fantasies too :), but from living vicariously thru my friend Susan, I think it would be better to start out with competitive trail riding with the NATRC before getting into endurance. Its a way to learn the rules and ride a conditioned horse on a beautiful trail at a comfortable do-able speed in competition with others, without going all to the wall if you know what I mean! I have a friend who entered her paso in a fifty mile race and altho she was conditioned she got "wet tendons" and she hasnt been able to ride her six months. I frequently ride with my friend susan as she trains and conditions her horse and i would just love to go but I cant seem to ride enough to get one of mine in peak condition, where it can gait or trot nonstop for a half hour or so without being completely winded. I would hate to go to all that trouble and expense and get pulled from the race,... but from simple trail riding on a regular basis all my horses do the obstacles just fine... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Specific Treed Saddle Review
i wish we could get a specific review like this about the Dave Grenadek and Fallis saddles. I will try and do one on my antique bona allen which seems to fit any horse but Teev, which I really would be shocked to find any tree would fit unless custom fitted. I love my orthoflex Stitchdown, to me it is the best riding saddle there is as far as comfort and the best saddle for Jaspar who believe it or not, is "humped back" susan, haha. But he cant even have a saddle pad across the spine due to his fistula so these flex panel saddles are good that way, but then I have not ridden him extensively like I used to pre-fistula. I am a pure orthoflex person tho... I think American Flex and Timberline are just watered down copyright infringements, not trying to start an argument, just my opinion based on owning one and conversations with makers from each of these groups. Orthoflex has recently, in the last two years, came out with a new shorter, more flexible panel, just for gaited horses, so before I would go timberline or americanflex I would at least look into that, but if I were to buy a treed saddle again I would have it custom made for my horse's back. Orthoflex also a couple of years ago started making the girth position adjustable, so you can make it a better position on the horse's back. also, have you noticed, only the most expensive saddlemakers and sensation too, take into account thigh size when saddle fitting the rider, not just seat size. That is so critical for me!jmo Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Noseband, In-hand
vee haff vays to make yoo toelte! Efen in hond you vill submitt! i think we need to declare horses like my Tivar as heroes, horses who will have a fit before they will allow you to hurt them... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Stella and Bibi meeting again
wow Ann, don't know how tall you are but she is a nice size! She has a pretty head doesnt she! What color? Is she sun faded black or dun of some kind?I think when you first get them and they act perfect they are waiting for the other shoe to fall and being on their best behavior as a herd survival thing. I think Tivar kept waiting for me to be scarey :) But he was just a little bratty and head tossy. I had left him alone a month. Then after six months I thought he was totally settled in. But now I know... it took a whole year for him to really think this is his home. I can just tell. he is so laid back now. In the first year any time I loaded him in a trailer at dark he knew it was going to be a long drive, and he would act very nervous and call to the others and dance like he didnt trust where I was taking him! But now he is completely relaxed any time, anywhere. I am just grateful to you and Karen for him Ann! He is my primary riding horse now, and I feel, a true partner! It is so good that we can work together to take these horses that just arent a perfect match where they are for whatever reason and find them a good forever home. I know now that half of Teevs problem was he HAS to be a primary riding horse. He gets grouchy and bratty and mean if he perceives others are getting to go out and about on the trail and he isnt. . he loves to go riding and smell the roses on the trail at a laid back speed. That was what he is best suited for! and me too so i guess it is a good match :) I hope Bibi finds a great forever home! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
RE: [IceHorses] Re:Saddle report from the AERC convention
>>> Hi Karen...how many days/hours/miles per week? At what speed is he moving out? Terrain? I think it's great that Senastion is working out for your horses. I still have mine...it's my backup saddle. <;p[] Sure, Raven, I just answered that in another post, even though I've written about it many times before. Now, since I gave my answers, maybe you could help us by giving some details of your conditioning schedule for Huginn. I know you've said that you don't ride in the winter - isn't that right? And your winters in WI are pretty long, right? How do you bring him back to condition each spring without risking injury to him? That's an ongoing problem for many real-world working people. Cary worries about it all the time for Skjoni. Also, how often do you have the chiropractor out for him? Did you ever find a bit that would stop him - don't I remember you asking that question to the list maybe a year ago? Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: 3/1/2008 5:41 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Re:Saddle report from the AERC convention
>>> Just out of curiosity, how many times a week and what is the average number of miles per ride, and what is the weekly average total miles he puts in his Sensation? You don't need to be specific, just thow out, on average the number of days a week he puts more than 8 miles in the Sensation. I'll be happy to answer that - I've talked about it on the list many times - how and when he rides certainly isn't confidential BUT, if I do, I'd still like for you to answer the question I asked you first. :) Who is the "they" who said that treeless saddles aren't working?If they are credible and have valid reasons for their conclusions, I certainly want to know - the last thing I'd ever want to do is hurt my horses. Please don't take this personally, but we should be asking these sorts of questions anytime we hear ANY generalization about horses or horsemanship. You should know me well enough by now to know that I don't take vague statements lightly - be that if some Icelander says that Icelandics can be ridden by large men all day, or if some local horse trader tells me that his for-sale horse is perfect and has no vices, or when Tolt News (or was it the Quarterly?) says that Icelandic horses can't be trained by Natural Horsemanship methods, or if people say that Icelandics don't founder or that they need special trainers and special farriers - all of which we've heard "them" say many times. Can you give me some names of specific people who said this and tell me how they arrived at this conclusion? Some questions that immediately come to my mind that maybe you can answer: Did "they" have vested interests in saying what they did - in other words, do "they" sell saddles, or did "they" have a bad experience with one brand that they never worked through, and thus "they" decided the whole genre is bad? Again, I mean nothing personal here, just the normal "just the facts ma'am" questions we should always ask when we are looking out for our horses. I'm especially prone to ask these type questions when I hear generalizations that don't support what I've seen in my own horses or in others. I don't really think Cary's riding schedule/habits/history is going to either validate or defeat the idea of treeless saddles being used for endurance - he's just one rider out of many treeless riders in the USA. But I CAN cite his experience to point out one data point to conflict with your point that treeless saddles will only works for lightweight riders for maybe less than 8 mile trips. Here goes anyway, fwiw: Cary is 235 pounds, 6'2" and 53 years old. He's as far from "lightweight" as they come, and his horse isn't huge. He's not a distance rider... He couldn't be an endurance rider even if he wanted to (he doesn't) because he simply doesn't have a predictable amount of time to condition his horse. Thus, he has a whole 'nuther set of problems to deal with. How can he keep his horse in condition and not risk injuring him via the "weekend warrior" syndrome? For the past 2-3 months, he's barely ridden, maybe 3-4 times in since Christmas - his work schedule has been horrible, the weather less than ideal, and when I was laid up with flu and pneumonia for 3-4 weeks in January-February, he had to take on the responsibility of feeding/caring for all of the horses. There are, however, times in the spring, summer and fall when health, weather and work realities allow him to ride 2-3, MAYBE 4, times a week. That's about the most he can ride, unless we go on a dedicated "riding vacation." There have been times when he can Skjoni have built up to riding as much as 3-4 hours per ride, with maybe 20-25 miles in a weekend. That is not unusual at all in the non-winter months, and he's hit that peak several times over the two years he's been riding Skjoni in a treeless saddle. It's true that what works on short rides may not work on longer rides...BUT, it's also true that what doesn't work on short rides most certainly won't work on longer rides. Unfortunately for us (but hopefully fortunately for the people we've shared our experiences with), we have spent more time observing saddles that don't work on our horses even for shorter rides, even some we had great expectations for when we first got them. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: 3/1/2008 5:41 PM
[IceHorses] admirable training/foal watch
I went to a big "foal watch" party and ride yesterday. It was a bigger party than ride. My friend Sylvia's mare "Bob" is now officially two days overdue. Everyone stared at her all afternoon while we bar b qued. It was like watching paint dry. I took teev so Bob could stare at him from the stall since he always seems to get her going. But nothing. Then we had the ride, about ten of us, a brief ride since sylvia didnt want to go too far so it was mainly on the road past everyones houses, a clay road. Sylvia was on her mare "Willie" who is real laid back and so is Teev, and there were some hyped up horses. But one lady I have only ridden with now and then and never really talked to.. she lives in the neighborhood too, and her horse was just acting HORRIBLE because it wanted to go home and as we rode past her driveway the horse just flipped out wanting to head up the drive. But the lady said "you guys go on, I have a terrible headache, but I want to work with her on this before I let her go in" so we tried to offer help but she said no, go on, we went on. I thought since she had a headache she would just go put that mare up. But we went back to sylvias and sat watching Bob watching us out her stall door and we could see that woman riding that mare up and down the road. She would get it far away and when she turned it for the house it would bolt on her, crow hop, jig, buck a time or two. We were all like oh man, she is gonna get dumped. She would get down and lead the mare from the house and the mare would whirl and spin and crow hop. but then in about a half hour she was on the mare and riding her and the mare would act up at the drive so she would take her back out. Then in an hour the mare was acting pretty ok but at the drive would head toss and argue. Then in an hour and a half the mare was completely soft, riding up and down the road. THEN the lady let her go home. I for one was very impressed! She came back to the party and said the mare has been doing that for two years and they have been letting her get away with it and it was getting worse and worse to the point where she was thinking she was gonna sell her. But that day she decided no, she was gonna work thru it. It was really inspirational! with a headache no less! maybe Bob will have her baby today. It is a mule foal and one man said it takes 20 days longer for mules, that you have to allow time for the ears to grow :) Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Hrimnir Saddle
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 01/03/2008, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i think it would be good for this back shape > > Janice > > Or this back shape. HAHAHAHA oh gosh we are pathetic, looking for any excuse to post photos of our little sweetie pies! Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Windchill Died
its almost like the national enquirer "alien abducted horse found on I-10 with swastica implanted in forehead!" Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Head Gear
>>> It says the horse was trained by Gudmar, has a soft mouth, and >>> beautiful >>> head carriage but this type of head gear would not indicate >>> that. >> >> It looks mean, but it really didn't seem to be a terrible bit in use. >> The horse had warning before it got it's face crushed in the vice. ;) > > So, why would someone use this type of rig on a soft-mouthed horse? Because a horse isn't really fully trained and soft mouthed? Myler considers the combination bit to be a training bit that if used as intended will lead to a light mouth (http://mylerbitsusa.com/bit_combo2.shtml). But a trained, light mouthed horse should be able to use a level 3 bit: Level One • Horse has just begun training or has had little training • Is learning basic gaits, transitions and obedience • Has begun to “break at the poll” Level Two • Basic training is established • Relaxed at the poll; holds position when rein is released • Possesses more complex skills such as bending, collection, side passes and lead changes Level Three • Horse considered broke or finished; willing to obey commands • Relaxed at the poll • Possesses advanced skills; works well off seat, legs and hands My friend's very well broke Peruvian needed more tongue relief that the traditional Peruvian bit (which is a straight bar) gave him, so he got an MB33 (http://mylerbitsusa.com/images/barrel_bits/33_Front_and_Top.jpg) with short shanks (http://mylerbitsusa.com/images/cheek/32b.jpg) and the horse just loves it. But that same horse would probably get pissed at the combination bit and consider it an imposition even in light hands Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/ http://www.dslextreme.com/~napha/JoyOfRiding/index.htm IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[IceHorses] Dancing Horses
Dancing horses of South America, the "caballos de paso," http://tinyurl.com/2htdax Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] Florida Cracker Horses
Two riders hope to preserve the heritage of Florida Cracker horses http://tinyurl.com/yumsh5 Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Stella and Bibi meeting again
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Ann Cassidy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >i will answer some of the questions you all asked and observe > her, she is so calm but may be shell shocked. > > Looks and sounds good so far! V
