Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[William Harrington]

On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 00:36:39 GMT
"geist1...@juno.com"  wrote:

> 
> > Can You either send me the Link for knoppix 5.1.x that You used or is a 
> > good link to a bootable source, or send me via github a copy of what 
> > You have ?? That would boot   knoppix on the 586..
> 
> I can, but I won't--tough love, Baby!  Just to make sure it was still online 
> I asked Google for "knoppix 5 iso" and it popped right up.  Likewise I'm not 
> going to try to teach you how to use Mint.  Way above the purpose of this 
> list, or the time I'm able to dedicate.  You're going to have to have 
> initiative to climb this mountain.  We've all done it.  It's up to you to get 
> yourself to the top.  I've helped quite enough.
> 
> BTW, you've seen my Second Law in my tagline.  My Third Law is: There is no 
> such thing as teaching--there is only learning.
> 
> -- 

Haha, there is a law that states the master, no matter how arrogant and 
forthright, learns from a student which has a different perspective. So is 
there constant learning and no teaching? Can we get rid of teaching in 
vernacular?

Okay, this subject is way off topic. Was quite the read. So, any more problems 
compiling 32bit?

Sincerely,

William Harrington
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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[geist1...@juno.com]

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Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:03:49 GMT




-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
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Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:48:52 -0700

> Can You either send me the Link for knoppix 5.1.x that You used or is a 
> good link to a bootable source, or send me via github a copy of what 
> You have ?? That would boot   knoppix on the 586..

I can, but I won't--tough love, Baby!  Just to make sure it was still online I 
asked Google for "knoppix 5 iso" and it popped right up.  Likewise I'm not 
going to try to teach you how to use Mint.  Way above the purpose of this list, 
or the time I'm able to dedicate.  You're going to have to have initiative to 
climb this mountain.  We've all done it.  It's up to you to get yourself to the 
top.  I've helped quite enough.

BTW, you've seen my Second Law in my tagline.  My Third Law is: There is no 
such thing as teaching--there is only learning.

-- 
Paul Rogers
paulgrog...@fastmail.fm
Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."
(I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)
--Hi Paul;
 
I Understand..
"" Just to make sure it was still online I asked 
Google for "knoppix 5 iso" and it popped right up.  Likewise I'm not going to 
try to teach you how to use Mint. ""

I don't think I ever asked about Learning about Mint..
But, You did help me, I think I may have been googling for the wrong thing, 
I didn't  know I was not asking correctly..
Google for "knoppix 5 iso" and it popped right up. That I can do..THANK YOU 
Marty 
Hi all;
 
Paul, I won't bother you any more, I will figure it out on my own..
I am Sorry I inconvenienced You..
 
Have a Good time and I wish You all the Best..
 
THANK YOU Marty
 

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[geist1...@juno.com]

-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:48:52 -0700

> Can You either send me the Link for knoppix 5.1.x that You used or is a 
> good link to a bootable source, or send me via github a copy of what 
> You have ?? That would boot   knoppix on the 586..

I can, but I won't--tough love, Baby!  Just to make sure it was still online I 
asked Google for "knoppix 5 iso" and it popped right up.  Likewise I'm not 
going to try to teach you how to use Mint.  Way above the purpose of this list, 
or the time I'm able to dedicate.  You're going to have to have initiative to 
climb this mountain.  We've all done it.  It's up to you to get yourself to the 
top.  I've helped quite enough.

BTW, you've seen my Second Law in my tagline.  My Third Law is: There is no 
such thing as teaching--there is only learning.

-- 
Paul Rogers
paulgrog...@fastmail.fm
Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."
(I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)
--
Hi Paul;
 
I Understand..
"" Just to make sure it was still online I asked 
Google for "knoppix 5 iso" and it popped right up.  Likewise I'm not going to 
try to teach you how to use Mint. ""

I don't think I ever asked about Learning about Mint..
But, You did help me, I think I may have been googling for the wrong thing, 
I didn't  know I was not asking correctly..
Google for "knoppix 5 iso" and it popped right up. That I can do..THANK YOU 
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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Paul Rogers]

> Can You either send me the Link for knoppix 5.1.x that You used or is a 
> good link to a bootable source, or send me via github a copy of what 
> You have ?? That would boot   knoppix on the 586..

I can, but I won't--tough love, Baby!  Just to make sure it was still online I 
asked Google for "knoppix 5 iso" and it popped right up.  Likewise I'm not 
going to try to teach you how to use Mint.  Way above the purpose of this list, 
or the time I'm able to dedicate.  You're going to have to have initiative to 
climb this mountain.  We've all done it.  It's up to you to get yourself to the 
top.  I've helped quite enough.

BTW, you've seen my Second Law in my tagline.  My Third Law is: There is no 
such thing as teaching--there is only learning.

-- 
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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[geist1...@juno.com]

-- Original Message --
From: "geist1...@juno.com" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 19:21:06 GMT




-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 09:03:26 -0700

> Yes, Linux Mint 5 did pass all of the requirements of Chapter 4, and 
> the fact that I like Linux Mint , was what made it so appealing to me, 
> for this project..

Why?  The only advantage Mint has over any other distro is its desktop.  For 
building LFS that is irrelevant, even something of a disadvantage!  All the 
instructions in the book are bash commands.  At best you'll be working in a 
terminal emulator, where you'll have X, the desktop, and the emulator stealing 
processor power and adding a possible source of interference, contamination and 
confusion.  The closer you can get to "bare iron" the better off you'll be, out 
of X and at the bash command line.  That means no "cut and paste".

As I wrote before, I recommend doing all that "in preparation", making bash 
scripts for each package.  I spend *weeks* doing that for both LFS and BLFS 
before building any package, even laying down the root directory tree.  (There 
are 418 scripts in my build directory for this system.  (I put a sequence 
number in each name to keep it straight which one comes next.))  After all, 
once you build LFS, you'll want to boot it to build all the BLFS packages in 
your pure, clean, uncontaminated LFS, and it'll be a long time before you'll 
have X!  It's like being a cook in a Chinese restaurant--they spend hours 
preparing ingredients, *before* they blast flame at a wok, heat oil, dump in 
ingredients and stir like mad, cooking each dish in just a minute or so.

When I have to go back and startover, which STILL can happen, it's *WAY* faster 
than cut and paste, and provides perfect documentation how the system was 
built--both great advantages!

If you "like" Mint for building LFS, you've already started on the wrong foot.

-- 
Paul Rogers
paulgrog...@fastmail.fm
Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."
(I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)
--Hi Paul;
 
"" As I wrote before, I recommend doing all that "in preparation", making bash 
scripts for each package.  I spend *weeks* doing that for both LFS and BLFS 
before building any package, even laying down the root directory tree.  (There 
are 418 scripts in my build directory for this system.  (I put a sequence 
number in each name to keep it straight which one comes next.)) ""

I don't know 'How to do that' Would You Please give me some examples ??

"" At best you'll be working in a terminal emulator, where you'll have X, 
the desktop, and the emulator stealing processor power 
and adding a possible source of interference, contamination and confusion.  
The closer you can get to "bare iron" the better off you'll be, 
out of X and at the bash command line. ""

I didn't Realize that, but Now I see (Understand)..

Also as a side note, I changed my Memory Sticks and instead of 393216 KB, 
I now have 524288 KB of Memory..

Which explains alot..

THANK YOU Marty
 
P. S., I am currently running Memtest86 4.3.7..
 
And I will try LFS Live CD 6.3, again, and see about making my way thru that..
 
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[geist1...@juno.com]

-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 09:03:26 -0700

> Yes, Linux Mint 5 did pass all of the requirements of Chapter 4, and 
> the fact that I like Linux Mint , was what made it so appealing to me, 
> for this project..

Why?  The only advantage Mint has over any other distro is its desktop.  For 
building LFS that is irrelevant, even something of a disadvantage!  All the 
instructions in the book are bash commands.  At best you'll be working in a 
terminal emulator, where you'll have X, the desktop, and the emulator stealing 
processor power and adding a possible source of interference, contamination and 
confusion.  The closer you can get to "bare iron" the better off you'll be, out 
of X and at the bash command line.  That means no "cut and paste".

As I wrote before, I recommend doing all that "in preparation", making bash 
scripts for each package.  I spend *weeks* doing that for both LFS and BLFS 
before building any package, even laying down the root directory tree.  (There 
are 418 scripts in my build directory for this system.  (I put a sequence 
number in each name to keep it straight which one comes next.))  After all, 
once you build LFS, you'll want to boot it to build all the BLFS packages in 
your pure, clean, uncontaminated LFS, and it'll be a long time before you'll 
have X!  It's like being a cook in a Chinese restaurant--they spend hours 
preparing ingredients, *before* they blast flame at a wok, heat oil, dump in 
ingredients and stir like mad, cooking each dish in just a minute or so.

When I have to go back and startover, which STILL can happen, it's *WAY* faster 
than cut and paste, and provides perfect documentation how the system was 
built--both great advantages!

If you "like" Mint for building LFS, you've already started on the wrong foot.

-- 
Paul Rogers
paulgrog...@fastmail.fm
Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."
(I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)
--
Hi Paul;
 
"" As I wrote before, I recommend doing all that "in preparation", making bash 
scripts for each package.  I spend *weeks* doing that for both LFS and BLFS 
before building any package, even laying down the root directory tree.  (There 
are 418 scripts in my build directory for this system.  (I put a sequence 
number in each name to keep it straight which one comes next.)) ""

I don't know 'How to do that' Would You Please give me some examples ??

"" At best you'll be working in a terminal emulator, where you'll have X, 
the desktop, and the emulator stealing processor power 
and adding a possible source of interference, contamination and confusion.  
The closer you can get to "bare iron" the better off you'll be, 
out of X and at the bash command line. ""

I didn't Realize that, but Now I see (Understand)..

Also as a side note, I changed my Memory Sticks and instead of 393216 KB, 
I now have 524288 KB of Memory..

Which explains alot..

THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Ken Moffat]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 03:10:51AM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
[...]
> From: "Paul Rogers" 
> 
> p.s. Can you be more parsimonious about what you quote as the relevant part 
> you're responding to.  It's difficult to follow your posts.
> 

+1 to this.  And Marty, when you include somebody else's text
*please* can you quote it ('>' or even '|' at the start of each
line) to make it easier for people to see who wrote what.

In decent text mailers the different levels of quoting get
highlighted in different colours.  That helps clarify *who* wrote
what when multiple people are contributing to the thread.

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Paul Rogers]

> Yes, Linux Mint 5 did pass all of the requirements of Chapter 4, and 
> the fact that I like Linux Mint , was what made it so appealing to me, 
> for this project..

Why?  The only advantage Mint has over any other distro is its desktop.  For 
building LFS that is irrelevant, even something of a disadvantage!  All the 
instructions in the book are bash commands.  At best you'll be working in a 
terminal emulator, where you'll have X, the desktop, and the emulator stealing 
processor power and adding a possible source of interference, contamination and 
confusion.  The closer you can get to "bare iron" the better off you'll be, out 
of X and at the bash command line.  That means no "cut and paste".

As I wrote before, I recommend doing all that "in preparation", making bash 
scripts for each package.  I spend *weeks* doing that for both LFS and BLFS 
before building any package, even laying down the root directory tree.  (There 
are 418 scripts in my build directory for this system.  (I put a sequence 
number in each name to keep it straight which one comes next.))  After all, 
once you build LFS, you'll want to boot it to build all the BLFS packages in 
your pure, clean, uncontaminated LFS, and it'll be a long time before you'll 
have X!  It's like being a cook in a Chinese restaurant--they spend hours 
preparing ingredients, *before* they blast flame at a wok, heat oil, dump in 
ingredients and stir like mad, cooking each dish in just a minute or so.

When I have to go back and startover, which STILL can happen, it's *WAY* faster 
than cut and paste, and provides perfect documentation how the system was 
built--both great advantages!

If you "like" Mint for building LFS, you've already started on the wrong foot.

-- 
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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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From: "geist1...@juno.com" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 02:32:26 GMT




-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:50:24 -0700

> Paul and everyone;
> You may be blessed with a memory that would remember these things, 

Used to!  But I'm a bit beyond my Biblically alloted "three score and ten", and 
the short-term memory is going.  What they say is true!  But as I suggested 
before, that's why pencils were invented!

I'm not being hard on you gratuituously, it's based on my experience; as you 
wanted.  Computers are nothing if not literal, so we must be up to that 
challenge.  We must be precise, and controlled.

> but, I feel good if I can remember just that I have it, I can then go 
> and find it, 
> which I did..

One thing I did when I bought my IMSAI kit, as we were trained to do getting my 
major in Chemistry, was buy a bound quadrille-ruled notebook to take notes in.  
I very much recommend it!

> it wasn't or didn't have the boot information.. Maybe it wasn't a 
> bootable ISO Image file..

Possible, I suppose, depending on where you got it.  I recommend searching for 
bootable CD.  Or using the LFS Live-CD.

> I wasn't trying to mix and match, but find something that would work on 
> the 586..

As I wrote, I've used Knoppix-5 successfully.

>  
> You told me to first find what possible defects the drive has , then we 
> can see if Linux Mint would then work, ( but, if it couldn't I thought 
> since Slackware booted on the 586, that if I found a later version of 
> it, it would be a suitable substitute)..

Generally, erroneous.  That MAY work for closely related versions, but there's 
no way to know for sure.  So you're much better off working with things that 
experience has shown do "play well together".

> Yes, what I have in Linux Mint 5 meets all of the requirements for 
> building Linux From Scratch..
>  
> You also told me that I might not be able to use Linux Mint 5, because 
> it was too late of a version and would not work on the 586 code, Maybe..

If it passes the tests in Ch4, it may be worth a try.  Check the kernel 
version.  There is a point where at least a particular kernel version is 
required to build.  I stopped at 2.6.17, beyong that too much changed that 
wasn't relevant, IMNSHO, to 586 kit.

>  
> Which was another reason I was thinking of using it, if I could find a 
> later version than I have.. 
>  
> I have the LFS- LiveCD, on CD/DVD but, I was having trouble using it, 
> like I would with Mint, Maybe, because it was so much different that 
> what I am used to, I was having trouble making it do what was needed 
> done..

I understand, but am not persuaded.  As when I quoted Euclid, "There is no 
royal road to geometry."  Choosing what is easier is not always best.  That LFS 
LiveCD is exactly what you'll be dealing with when you build, and have built, 
your LFS system.  You'll need to use it effectively to turn that very Spartan 
system into something you can enjoy using.  You'll need skills at the command 
line.  My recent builds have over 400 extra packages!

> P.P.S.,
>  
> Also, Before when I first was proposing to do a LFS on the 586, I 
> proposed to do it on the Dell, and You told me it wouldn't work, so I 
> said OK, BUT, THEN, when I still wanted to do LFS on the Dell, BUT, NOT 
> for the 586, You still thought I was going to use it on the 586, (or so 
> it would seem) but, I was only wanting to do it on the Dell at that 
> time for the Experience of making it all of the way thru the building 
> process of building a LFS system.. But, not for the 586, but, for 
> getting to know what I would be running into, so that when I did do a 
> 586 build, I would kind of know what I was doing / getting into..

What is the Dell, CPU/chipset, etc.  That may or may not work because there is 
20 years between the system you want to build and what it is built on.  Many, 
many things have changed.  I don't see the benefit of trying.  The experiences 
might not be as parallel as you think.  The amount of work certainly doubles.

p.s. Can you be more parsimonious about what you quote as the relevant part 
you're responding to.  It's difficult to follow your posts.

-- 
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Paul, can You do something for me, and I will try something as well..
Tomorrow, I will try to Load, boot and run Knoppix 6.71 and see if it will work 
on the 586..
Can You either send me the 

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[geist1...@juno.com]

-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:50:24 -0700

> Paul and everyone;
> You may be blessed with a memory that would remember these things, 

Used to!  But I'm a bit beyond my Biblically alloted "three score and ten", and 
the short-term memory is going.  What they say is true!  But as I suggested 
before, that's why pencils were invented!

I'm not being hard on you gratuituously, it's based on my experience; as you 
wanted.  Computers are nothing if not literal, so we must be up to that 
challenge.  We must be precise, and controlled.

> but, I feel good if I can remember just that I have it, I can then go 
> and find it, 
> which I did..

One thing I did when I bought my IMSAI kit, as we were trained to do getting my 
major in Chemistry, was buy a bound quadrille-ruled notebook to take notes in.  
I very much recommend it!

> it wasn't or didn't have the boot information.. Maybe it wasn't a 
> bootable ISO Image file..

Possible, I suppose, depending on where you got it.  I recommend searching for 
bootable CD.  Or using the LFS Live-CD.

> I wasn't trying to mix and match, but find something that would work on 
> the 586..

As I wrote, I've used Knoppix-5 successfully.

>  
> You told me to first find what possible defects the drive has , then we 
> can see if Linux Mint would then work, ( but, if it couldn't I thought 
> since Slackware booted on the 586, that if I found a later version of 
> it, it would be a suitable substitute)..

Generally, erroneous.  That MAY work for closely related versions, but there's 
no way to know for sure.  So you're much better off working with things that 
experience has shown do "play well together".

> Yes, what I have in Linux Mint 5 meets all of the requirements for 
> building Linux From Scratch..
>  
> You also told me that I might not be able to use Linux Mint 5, because 
> it was too late of a version and would not work on the 586 code, Maybe..

If it passes the tests in Ch4, it may be worth a try.  Check the kernel 
version.  There is a point where at least a particular kernel version is 
required to build.  I stopped at 2.6.17, beyong that too much changed that 
wasn't relevant, IMNSHO, to 586 kit.

>  
> Which was another reason I was thinking of using it, if I could find a 
> later version than I have.. 
>  
> I have the LFS- LiveCD, on CD/DVD but, I was having trouble using it, 
> like I would with Mint, Maybe, because it was so much different that 
> what I am used to, I was having trouble making it do what was needed 
> done..

I understand, but am not persuaded.  As when I quoted Euclid, "There is no 
royal road to geometry."  Choosing what is easier is not always best.  That LFS 
LiveCD is exactly what you'll be dealing with when you build, and have built, 
your LFS system.  You'll need to use it effectively to turn that very Spartan 
system into something you can enjoy using.  You'll need skills at the command 
line.  My recent builds have over 400 extra packages!

> P.P.S.,
>  
> Also, Before when I first was proposing to do a LFS on the 586, I 
> proposed to do it on the Dell, and You told me it wouldn't work, so I 
> said OK, BUT, THEN, when I still wanted to do LFS on the Dell, BUT, NOT 
> for the 586, You still thought I was going to use it on the 586, (or so 
> it would seem) but, I was only wanting to do it on the Dell at that 
> time for the Experience of making it all of the way thru the building 
> process of building a LFS system.. But, not for the 586, but, for 
> getting to know what I would be running into, so that when I did do a 
> 586 build, I would kind of know what I was doing / getting into..

What is the Dell, CPU/chipset, etc.  That may or may not work because there is 
20 years between the system you want to build and what it is built on.  Many, 
many things have changed.  I don't see the benefit of trying.  The experiences 
might not be as parallel as you think.  The amount of work certainly doubles.

p.s. Can you be more parsimonious about what you quote as the relevant part 
you're responding to.  It's difficult to follow your posts.

-- 
Paul Rogers
paulgrog...@fastmail.fm
Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."
(I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)
--
Hi All;
 
Paul, can You do something for me, and I will try something as well..
Tomorrow, I will try to Load, boot and run Knoppix 6.71 and see if it will work 
on the 586..
Can You either send me the Link for knoppix 5.1.x that You used or is a good 
link to a bootable source, or send me via github a copy of what You have ?? 
That would boot   knoppix on the 586..
 
Thank You for all of Your Help and encou

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[geist1...@juno.com]

-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:50:24 -0700

> Paul and everyone;
> You may be blessed with a memory that would remember these things, 

Used to!  But I'm a bit beyond my Biblically alloted "three score and ten", and 
the short-term memory is going.  What they say is true!  But as I suggested 
before, that's why pencils were invented!

I'm not being hard on you gratuituously, it's based on my experience; as you 
wanted.  Computers are nothing if not literal, so we must be up to that 
challenge.  We must be precise, and controlled.

> but, I feel good if I can remember just that I have it, I can then go 
> and find it, 
> which I did..

One thing I did when I bought my IMSAI kit, as we were trained to do getting my 
major in Chemistry, was buy a bound quadrille-ruled notebook to take notes in.  
I very much recommend it!

> it wasn't or didn't have the boot information.. Maybe it wasn't a 
> bootable ISO Image file..

Possible, I suppose, depending on where you got it.  I recommend searching for 
bootable CD.  Or using the LFS Live-CD.

> I wasn't trying to mix and match, but find something that would work on 
> the 586..

As I wrote, I've used Knoppix-5 successfully.

>  
> You told me to first find what possible defects the drive has , then we 
> can see if Linux Mint would then work, ( but, if it couldn't I thought 
> since Slackware booted on the 586, that if I found a later version of 
> it, it would be a suitable substitute)..

Generally, erroneous.  That MAY work for closely related versions, but there's 
no way to know for sure.  So you're much better off working with things that 
experience has shown do "play well together".

> Yes, what I have in Linux Mint 5 meets all of the requirements for 
> building Linux From Scratch..
>  
> You also told me that I might not be able to use Linux Mint 5, because 
> it was too late of a version and would not work on the 586 code, Maybe..

If it passes the tests in Ch4, it may be worth a try.  Check the kernel 
version.  There is a point where at least a particular kernel version is 
required to build.  I stopped at 2.6.17, beyong that too much changed that 
wasn't relevant, IMNSHO, to 586 kit.

>  
> Which was another reason I was thinking of using it, if I could find a 
> later version than I have.. 
>  
> I have the LFS- LiveCD, on CD/DVD but, I was having trouble using it, 
> like I would with Mint, Maybe, because it was so much different that 
> what I am used to, I was having trouble making it do what was needed 
> done..

I understand, but am not persuaded.  As when I quoted Euclid, "There is no 
royal road to geometry."  Choosing what is easier is not always best.  That LFS 
LiveCD is exactly what you'll be dealing with when you build, and have built, 
your LFS system.  You'll need to use it effectively to turn that very Spartan 
system into something you can enjoy using.  You'll need skills at the command 
line.  My recent builds have over 400 extra packages!

> P.P.S.,
>  
> Also, Before when I first was proposing to do a LFS on the 586, I 
> proposed to do it on the Dell, and You told me it wouldn't work, so I 
> said OK, BUT, THEN, when I still wanted to do LFS on the Dell, BUT, NOT 
> for the 586, You still thought I was going to use it on the 586, (or so 
> it would seem) but, I was only wanting to do it on the Dell at that 
> time for the Experience of making it all of the way thru the building 
> process of building a LFS system.. But, not for the 586, but, for 
> getting to know what I would be running into, so that when I did do a 
> 586 build, I would kind of know what I was doing / getting into..

What is the Dell, CPU/chipset, etc.  That may or may not work because there is 
20 years between the system you want to build and what it is built on.  Many, 
many things have changed.  I don't see the benefit of trying.  The experiences 
might not be as parallel as you think.  The amount of work certainly doubles.

p.s. Can you be more parsimonious about what you quote as the relevant part 
you're responding to.  It's difficult to follow your posts.

-- 
Paul Rogers
paulgrog...@fastmail.fm
Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."
(I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)
--
Hi Paul and all;
 
As I said earlier, I got another 586 board, it will probably be Monday before 
it is installed and I can find out if it works at all..
 
It is an FYI-VT580 Ver. B (VX PRO Pentium 512K)..
 
It has a Pentium w/MMX.. Installed.. And the pins for the Front Panel 
connections are clearly Labeled..
 
THANK YOU Marty
 

http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support
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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[geist1...@juno.com]

-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:50:24 -0700

> Paul and everyone;
> You may be blessed with a memory that would remember these things, 

Used to!  But I'm a bit beyond my Biblically alloted "three score and ten", and 
the short-term memory is going.  What they say is true!  But as I suggested 
before, that's why pencils were invented!

I'm not being hard on you gratuituously, it's based on my experience; as you 
wanted.  Computers are nothing if not literal, so we must be up to that 
challenge.  We must be precise, and controlled.

> but, I feel good if I can remember just that I have it, I can then go 
> and find it, 
> which I did..

One thing I did when I bought my IMSAI kit, as we were trained to do getting my 
major in Chemistry, was buy a bound quadrille-ruled notebook to take notes in.  
I very much recommend it!

> it wasn't or didn't have the boot information.. Maybe it wasn't a 
> bootable ISO Image file..

Possible, I suppose, depending on where you got it.  I recommend searching for 
bootable CD.  Or using the LFS Live-CD.

> I wasn't trying to mix and match, but find something that would work on 
> the 586..

As I wrote, I've used Knoppix-5 successfully.

>  
> You told me to first find what possible defects the drive has , then we 
> can see if Linux Mint would then work, ( but, if it couldn't I thought 
> since Slackware booted on the 586, that if I found a later version of 
> it, it would be a suitable substitute)..

Generally, erroneous.  That MAY work for closely related versions, but there's 
no way to know for sure.  So you're much better off working with things that 
experience has shown do "play well together".

> Yes, what I have in Linux Mint 5 meets all of the requirements for 
> building Linux From Scratch..
>  
> You also told me that I might not be able to use Linux Mint 5, because 
> it was too late of a version and would not work on the 586 code, Maybe..

If it passes the tests in Ch4, it may be worth a try.  Check the kernel 
version.  There is a point where at least a particular kernel version is 
required to build.  I stopped at 2.6.17, beyong that too much changed that 
wasn't relevant, IMNSHO, to 586 kit.

>  
> Which was another reason I was thinking of using it, if I could find a 
> later version than I have.. 
>  
> I have the LFS- LiveCD, on CD/DVD but, I was having trouble using it, 
> like I would with Mint, Maybe, because it was so much different that 
> what I am used to, I was having trouble making it do what was needed 
> done..

I understand, but am not persuaded.  As when I quoted Euclid, "There is no 
royal road to geometry."  Choosing what is easier is not always best.  That LFS 
LiveCD is exactly what you'll be dealing with when you build, and have built, 
your LFS system.  You'll need to use it effectively to turn that very Spartan 
system into something you can enjoy using.  You'll need skills at the command 
line.  My recent builds have over 400 extra packages!

> P.P.S.,
>  
> Also, Before when I first was proposing to do a LFS on the 586, I 
> proposed to do it on the Dell, and You told me it wouldn't work, so I 
> said OK, BUT, THEN, when I still wanted to do LFS on the Dell, BUT, NOT 
> for the 586, You still thought I was going to use it on the 586, (or so 
> it would seem) but, I was only wanting to do it on the Dell at that 
> time for the Experience of making it all of the way thru the building 
> process of building a LFS system.. But, not for the 586, but, for 
> getting to know what I would be running into, so that when I did do a 
> 586 build, I would kind of know what I was doing / getting into..

What is the Dell, CPU/chipset, etc.  That may or may not work because there is 
20 years between the system you want to build and what it is built on.  Many, 
many things have changed.  I don't see the benefit of trying.  The experiences 
might not be as parallel as you think.  The amount of work certainly doubles.

p.s. Can you be more parsimonious about what you quote as the relevant part 
you're responding to.  It's difficult to follow your posts.

-- 
Paul Rogers
paulgrog...@fastmail.fm
Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."
(I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)
-- Hi All;
 
Paul, Thank You for being so Kind, in Your Response, I am Sorry that I sounded 
off..
 
The Dell, (I now have two of them, since my main system went down, and I built 
a second Box this morning.), anyway they Both are Dell Optiplex 755, with Duo 
Core one running at 3.0 GHZ ( the windows machine) and the other at 2.5 GHZ for 
Linux, separate from the 586..
 
I also just a few minutes ago got another 586 

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Paul Rogers]

> Paul and everyone;
> You may be blessed with a memory that would remember these things, 

Used to!  But I'm a bit beyond my Biblically alloted "three score and ten", and 
the short-term memory is going.  What they say is true!  But as I suggested 
before, that's why pencils were invented!

I'm not being hard on you gratuituously, it's based on my experience; as you 
wanted.  Computers are nothing if not literal, so we must be up to that 
challenge.  We must be precise, and controlled.

> but, I feel good if I can remember just that I have it, I can then go 
> and find it, 
> which I did..

One thing I did when I bought my IMSAI kit, as we were trained to do getting my 
major in Chemistry, was buy a bound quadrille-ruled notebook to take notes in.  
I very much recommend it!

> it wasn't or didn't have the boot information.. Maybe it wasn't a 
> bootable ISO Image file..

Possible, I suppose, depending on where you got it.  I recommend searching for 
bootable CD.  Or using the LFS Live-CD.

> I wasn't trying to mix and match, but find something that would work on 
> the 586..

As I wrote, I've used Knoppix-5 successfully.

>  
> You told me to first find what possible defects the drive has , then we 
> can see if Linux Mint would then work, ( but, if it couldn't I thought 
> since Slackware booted on the 586, that if I found a later version of 
> it, it would be a suitable substitute)..

Generally, erroneous.  That MAY work for closely related versions, but there's 
no way to know for sure.  So you're much better off working with things that 
experience has shown do "play well together".

> Yes, what I have in Linux Mint 5 meets all of the requirements for 
> building Linux From Scratch..
>  
> You also told me that I might not be able to use Linux Mint 5, because 
> it was too late of a version and would not work on the 586 code, Maybe..

If it passes the tests in Ch4, it may be worth a try.  Check the kernel 
version.  There is a point where at least a particular kernel version is 
required to build.  I stopped at 2.6.17, beyong that too much changed that 
wasn't relevant, IMNSHO, to 586 kit.

>  
> Which was another reason I was thinking of using it, if I could find a 
> later version than I have.. 
>  
> I have the LFS- LiveCD, on CD/DVD but, I was having trouble using it, 
> like I would with Mint, Maybe, because it was so much different that 
> what I am used to, I was having trouble making it do what was needed 
> done..

I understand, but am not persuaded.  As when I quoted Euclid, "There is no 
royal road to geometry."  Choosing what is easier is not always best.  That LFS 
LiveCD is exactly what you'll be dealing with when you build, and have built, 
your LFS system.  You'll need to use it effectively to turn that very Spartan 
system into something you can enjoy using.  You'll need skills at the command 
line.  My recent builds have over 400 extra packages!

> P.P.S.,
>  
> Also, Before when I first was proposing to do a LFS on the 586, I 
> proposed to do it on the Dell, and You told me it wouldn't work, so I 
> said OK, BUT, THEN, when I still wanted to do LFS on the Dell, BUT, NOT 
> for the 586, You still thought I was going to use it on the 586, (or so 
> it would seem) but, I was only wanting to do it on the Dell at that 
> time for the Experience of making it all of the way thru the building 
> process of building a LFS system.. But, not for the 586, but, for 
> getting to know what I would be running into, so that when I did do a 
> 586 build, I would kind of know what I was doing / getting into..

What is the Dell, CPU/chipset, etc.  That may or may not work because there is 
20 years between the system you want to build and what it is built on.  Many, 
many things have changed.  I don't see the benefit of trying.  The experiences 
might not be as parallel as you think.  The amount of work certainly doubles.

p.s. Can you be more parsimonious about what you quote as the relevant part 
you're responding to.  It's difficult to follow your posts.

-- 
Paul Rogers
paulgrog...@fastmail.fm
Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."
(I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)
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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Pierre Labastie]

On 11/10/2019 23:45, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Paul Rogers" 
> To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
> Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:14:44 -0700
> 
>> Paul,
>>
>> first, well-spotted that ext4 is inappropriate for such old kernels
>> - I had completely overlooked that.
>>
>> But a 2.6 kernel (if that is what that old knoppix version is
>> offering) should support ext3.  A quick look at wikipedia (as
>> always, "it might be accurate, or else someone with an agenda might
>> have updated it") suggests that ext3 was mainlined in 2.4.15.
> 
> ext2 will always work with this old kit.  Afterwards it's trivial to upgrade
> to ext3, once everything is built, tested, backed-up, and stable.  "One step
> at a time!"  
> 
>> Hi Paul and Everyone;
>>  
>> I am sorry that I am upsetting You, but, I don't always remember when
>> everything came out, I know that the Kernel will be a 2.6 something..
> 
> It takes a great deal to anger me.  My emotions are very well controlled.
> 
> However, I've critiqued your apparent lack of certainty and clarity at least a
> couple times, maybe more, but it never seems to change.  Who's going to suffer
> from it?  Not me, but you will--my half-century of working with computers make
> me quite certain of that.
> 
>>> 3) download and burn a Knoppix-5.x LIVE iso,
>>  
>>  
>> I can download that, somewhere I have a Knoppix Disk, but, I am not
>> sure what version it is, so I will Download it..
> 
> 
> "Somewhere"?  "not sure what version"?  QED.
> 
> If you're going to build LFS successfully you're going to haveto change how
> you work.
> 
> 
>> I have downloaded Knoppix 5.1.1, but I couldn't get it to boot, it says
>> no boot record..
> 
> You need an "image" file and you don't burn it as a file, as you do most
> things.  There's a different process, much like "dd".
> 
>>  
>> BUT, while cleaning in my room, I found a four CD set of Slackware 4.0,
>> with a Kernel of 2.2.6..
> 
> If you can boot it and get a shell...
> 
>>  
>> Right now it is Checking and Formatting the Hard Drive on the 586,
>> running on the 586
>>  
>> File type is ext2 with 1K blocks and 1 inode per 1024 bytes..
>>  
>> I hope that this is about what You would be OK with for checking out
>> the Hard Drive..
> 
> Maybe.  You used "mke2fs -c ..."?  A "normal" mke2fs doesn't do a surface
> scan, and since that drive may be bad, you need every sector checked.
> 
>>  
>> Also, from what I can see (so far) this might work for my Host, or is
>> it too old of a Kernel to make this work..
> 
> What does the book say?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Paul Rogers
> paulgrog...@fastmail.fm
> Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."
> (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)
> --
> 
>  
> 
> Hi All;
> 
>  
> 
> Paul and everyone;
> 
> "Somewhere"? "not sure what version"? QED. If you're going to build LFS
> successfully you're going to haveto change how you work.
> I was just mentioning that I remembered I had a copy of Knoppix on a CD..
> 
> I knew I would have to find it and see what version I had,
> 
> You may be blessed with a memory that would remember these things,
> but, I feel good if I can remember just that I have it, I can then go and find
> it,
> which I did.. > I have downloaded Knoppix 5.1.1, but I couldn't get it to
> boot, it says > no boot record.. You need an "image" file and you don't burn
> it as a file, as you do most things. There's a different process, much like 
> "dd".
> 
> I did just like I had done before with the many of CD/DVD's,
> that I have done to burn an Image..
> I had downloaded the .ISO image and burned it to disk, only it didn't work
> with the Knoppix 5.1.1 that I had, maybe even though it had the correct type
> it wasn't or didn't have the boot information.. Maybe it wasn't a bootable ISO
> Image file..
> 
> If you're going to build LFS successfully you're going to have to change how
> you work.
> 
> It's not that I can't follow Instructions, I just don't always remember exact
> details when I am answering emails like to You..
>  
> But, when I am building I have the Terminal emulation on one side (left) and
> the PDF file of the Linux From Scratch on the right hand side, and I do a copy
> and Paste sort of thing..

Whatever the other probl

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[geist1...@juno.com]

-- Original Message --
From: "geist1...@juno.com" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 22:36:39 GMT




-- Original Message --
From: "geist1...@juno.com" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 22:13:25 GMT



-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 14:31:45 -0700

> Paul, Thank You for Your Patience..
>  
> I Found the Disk, it took some time searching thru all of the CD/DVD's 
> that I have it is Knoppix 6.71.. I also found the manual for it..

That MIGHT work for building LFS-6.x, or might not.  Run the checks from Ch. 4 
of the book.

> But, first, I will try and do as You have said.. Maybe I can find a 
> slackware version for kernel 2.6.xx..

You're not doing that.  What I wrote was use the LFS- LiveCD or, failing that, 
Knoppix-5.x for your host.  You wrote that you downloaded Knoppix-5, but didn't 
burn it properly, so it wouldn't boot.  It WILL boot if you burn it properly, 
so stop what you're doing and learn how to burn an "image".

You still don't understand the section in the book that instructs you to use 
exactly what's IN the book, not whatever you have or want.  There are explicit 
and implicit dependencies.  Interchangable parts is not a part of Linux 
systems, except in limited circumstances.  Branching out on your own is called 
"Dependency Hell" for good reason.  FBBG!  You've been told this several times.

-- 
Paul Rogers
paulgrog...@fastmail.fm  
Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."
(I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)
-- 
Hi All;
 
Paul, 
 
You're not doing that.  What I wrote was use the LFS- LiveCD or, failing that, 
Knoppix-5.x for your host.  You wrote that you downloaded Knoppix-5, but didn't 
burn it properly, so it wouldn't boot.  It WILL boot if you burn it properly, 
so stop what you're doing and learn how to burn an "image".
 
When I did burn the Image, I did it Exactly like I had done for all of the 
other cd's/dvd's that I had burned, I had burned about 50 DVD's for Linux Mint 
and Ubuntu..
 
You still don't understand the section in the book that instructs you to use 
exactly what's IN the book, not whatever you have or want.  There are explicit 
and implicit dependencies.  Interchangable parts is not a part of Linux 
systems, except in limited circumstances.  Branching out on your own is called 
"Dependency Hell" for good reason.  FBBG!  You've been told this several times.
 
 
I wasn't trying to mix and match, but find something that would work on the 
586..
 
You told me to first find what possible defects the drive has , then we can see 
if Linux Mint would then work, ( but, if it couldn't I thought since Slackware 
booted on the 586, that if I found a later version of it, it would be a 
suitable substitute)..
Yes, what I have in Linux Mint 5 meets all of the requirements for building 
Linux From Scratch..
 
You also told me that I might not be able to use Linux Mint 5, because it was 
too late of a version and would not work on the 586 code, Maybe..
 
Which was another reason I was thinking of using it, if I could find a later 
version than I have.. 
 
I have the LFS- LiveCD, on CD/DVD but, I was having trouble using it, like I 
would with Mint, Maybe, because it was so much different that what I am used 
to, I was having trouble making it do what was needed done..
 
Thank You for Your Help and suggestions..
 
THANK YOU Marty
 
P. S., the other day I went to the Linux Mint forum, asking for Linux Mint ver 
4, but, so far nothing..
 
I had tried Ubuntu 4.10, and 5.10 and 6.10, but it was having similar problems 
that Mint had, but, with the new Information You gave me to use mke2fs-c, that 
may solve my Host problem, once I get past the Problem Drive.. Then I can find 
a suitable Host for Linux From Scratch 6.0 to 6.1 that nearly matches it and 
that meets the Requirements for Host and will run on the 586..
 
Marty
 
P.P.S.,
 
Also, Before when I first was proposing to do a LFS on the 586, I proposed to 
do it on the Dell, and You told me it wouldn't work, so I said OK, BUT, THEN, 
when I still wanted to do LFS on the Dell, BUT, NOT for the 586, You still 
thought I was going to use it on the 586, (or so it would seem) but, I was only 
wanting to do it on the Dell at that time for the Experience of making it all 
of the way thru the building process of building a LFS system.. But, not for 
the 586, but, for getting to know what I would be running into, so that when I 
did do a 586 build, I would kind of know what I was doing / getting into..
 
Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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-- Original Message --
From: "geist1...@juno.com" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 22:13:25 GMT




-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 14:31:45 -0700

> Paul, Thank You for Your Patience..
>  
> I Found the Disk, it took some time searching thru all of the CD/DVD's 
> that I have it is Knoppix 6.71.. I also found the manual for it..

That MIGHT work for building LFS-6.x, or might not.  Run the checks from Ch. 4 
of the book.

> But, first, I will try and do as You have said.. Maybe I can find a 
> slackware version for kernel 2.6.xx..

You're not doing that.  What I wrote was use the LFS- LiveCD or, failing that, 
Knoppix-5.x for your host.  You wrote that you downloaded Knoppix-5, but didn't 
burn it properly, so it wouldn't boot.  It WILL boot if you burn it properly, 
so stop what you're doing and learn how to burn an "image".

You still don't understand the section in the book that instructs you to use 
exactly what's IN the book, not whatever you have or want.  There are explicit 
and implicit dependencies.  Interchangable parts is not a part of Linux 
systems, except in limited circumstances.  Branching out on your own is called 
"Dependency Hell" for good reason.  FBBG!  You've been told this several times.

-- 
Paul Rogers
paulgrog...@fastmail.fm  
Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."
(I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)
-- 
Hi All;
 
Paul, 
 
You're not doing that.  What I wrote was use the LFS- LiveCD or, failing that, 
Knoppix-5.x for your host.  You wrote that you downloaded Knoppix-5, but didn't 
burn it properly, so it wouldn't boot.  It WILL boot if you burn it properly, 
so stop what you're doing and learn how to burn an "image".
 
When I did burn the Image, I did it Exactly like I had done for all of the 
other cd's/dvd's that I had burned, I had burned about 50 DVD's for Linux Mint 
and Ubuntu..
 
You still don't understand the section in the book that instructs you to use 
exactly what's IN the book, not whatever you have or want.  There are explicit 
and implicit dependencies.  Interchangable parts is not a part of Linux 
systems, except in limited circumstances.  Branching out on your own is called 
"Dependency Hell" for good reason.  FBBG!  You've been told this several times.
 
 
I wasn't trying to mix and match, but find something that would work on the 
586..
 
You told me to first find what possible defects the drive has , then we can see 
if Linux Mint would then work, ( but, if it couldn't I thought since Slackware 
booted on the 586, that if I found a later version of it, it would be a 
suitable substitute)..
Yes, what I have in Linux Mint 5 meets all of the requirements for building 
Linux From Scratch..
 
You also told me that I might not be able to use Linux Mint 5, because it was 
too late of a version and would not work on the 586 code, Maybe..
 
Which was another reason I was thinking of using it, if I could find a later 
version than I have.. 
 
I have the LFS- LiveCD, on CD/DVD but, I was having trouble using it, like I 
would with Mint, Maybe, because it was so much different that what I am used 
to, I was having trouble making it do what was needed done..
 
Thank You for Your Help and suggestions..
 
THANK YOU Marty
 
P. S., the other day I went to the Linux Mint forum, asking for Linux Mint ver 
4, but, so far nothing..
 
I had tried Ubuntu 4.10, and 5.10 and 6.10, but it was having similar problems 
that Mint had, but, with the new Information You gave me to use mke2fs-c, that 
may solve my Host problem, once I get past the Problem Drive.. Then I can find 
a suitable Host for Linux From Scratch 6.0 to 6.1 that nearly matches it and 
that meets the Requirements for Host and will run on the 586..
 
Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 14:31:45 -0700

> Paul, Thank You for Your Patience..
>  
> I Found the Disk, it took some time searching thru all of the CD/DVD's 
> that I have it is Knoppix 6.71.. I also found the manual for it..

That MIGHT work for building LFS-6.x, or might not.  Run the checks from Ch. 4 
of the book.

> But, first, I will try and do as You have said.. Maybe I can find a 
> slackware version for kernel 2.6.xx..

You're not doing that.  What I wrote was use the LFS- LiveCD or, failing that, 
Knoppix-5.x for your host.  You wrote that you downloaded Knoppix-5, but didn't 
burn it properly, so it wouldn't boot.  It WILL boot if you burn it properly, 
so stop what you're doing and learn how to burn an "image".

You still don't understand the section in the book that instructs you to use 
exactly what's IN the book, not whatever you have or want.  There are explicit 
and implicit dependencies.  Interchangable parts is not a part of Linux 
systems, except in limited circumstances.  Branching out on your own is called 
"Dependency Hell" for good reason.  FBBG!  You've been told this several times.

-- 
Paul Rogers
paulgrog...@fastmail.fm  
Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."
(I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)
--
 
Hi All;
 
Paul, 
 
You're not doing that.  What I wrote was use the LFS- LiveCD or, failing that, 
Knoppix-5.x for your host.  You wrote that you downloaded Knoppix-5, but didn't 
burn it properly, so it wouldn't boot.  It WILL boot if you burn it properly, 
so stop what you're doing and learn how to burn an "image".
 
When I did burn the Image, I did it Exactly like I had done for all of the 
other cd's/dvd's that I had burned, I had burned about 50 DVD's for Linux Mint 
and Ubuntu..
 
You still don't understand the section in the book that instructs you to use 
exactly what's IN the book, not whatever you have or want.  There are explicit 
and implicit dependencies.  Interchangable parts is not a part of Linux 
systems, except in limited circumstances.  Branching out on your own is called 
"Dependency Hell" for good reason.  FBBG!  You've been told this several times.
 
 
I wasn't trying to mix and match, but find something that would work on the 
586..
 
You told me to first find what possible defects the drive has , then we can see 
if Linux Mint would then work, ( but, if it couldn't I thought since Slackware 
booted on the 586, that if I found a later version of it, it would be a 
suitable substitute)..
Yes, what I have in Linux Mint 5 meets all of the requirements for building 
Linux From Scratch..
 
You also told me that I might not be able to use Linux Mint 5, because it was 
too late of a version and would not work on the 586 code, Maybe..
 
Which was another reason I was thinking of using it, if I could find a later 
version than I have.. 
 
I have the LFS- LiveCD, on CD/DVD but, I was having trouble using it, like I 
would with Mint, Maybe, because it was so much different that what I am used 
to, I was having trouble making it do what was needed done..
 
Thank You for Your Help and suggestions..
 
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:14:44 -0700

> Paul,
> 
> first, well-spotted that ext4 is inappropriate for such old kernels
> - I had completely overlooked that.
> 
> But a 2.6 kernel (if that is what that old knoppix version is
> offering) should support ext3.  A quick look at wikipedia (as
> always, "it might be accurate, or else someone with an agenda might
> have updated it") suggests that ext3 was mainlined in 2.4.15.

ext2 will always work with this old kit.  Afterwards it's trivial to upgrade to 
ext3, once everything is built, tested, backed-up, and stable.  "One step at a 
time!"  

> Hi Paul and Everyone;
>  
> I am sorry that I am upsetting You, but, I don't always remember when 
> everything came out, I know that the Kernel will be a 2.6 something..

It takes a great deal to anger me.  My emotions are very well controlled.

However, I've critiqued your apparent lack of certainty and clarity at least a 
couple times, maybe more, but it never seems to change.  Who's going to suffer 
from it?  Not me, but you will--my half-century of working with computers make 
me quite certain of that.

>> 3) download and burn a Knoppix-5.x LIVE iso,
>  
>  
> I can download that, somewhere I have a Knoppix Disk, but, I am not 
> sure what version it is, so I will Download it..


"Somewhere"?  "not sure what version"?  QED.

If you're going to build LFS successfully you're going to haveto change how you 
work.


> I have downloaded Knoppix 5.1.1, but I couldn't get it to boot, it says 
> no boot record..

You need an "image" file and you don't burn it as a file, as you do most 
things.  There's a different process, much like "dd".

>  
> BUT, while cleaning in my room, I found a four CD set of Slackware 4.0, 
> with a Kernel of 2.2.6..

If you can boot it and get a shell...

>  
> Right now it is Checking and Formatting the Hard Drive on the 586, 
> running on the 586
>  
> File type is ext2 with 1K blocks and 1 inode per 1024 bytes..
>  
> I hope that this is about what You would be OK with for checking out 
> the Hard Drive..

Maybe.  You used "mke2fs -c ..."?  A "normal" mke2fs doesn't do a surface scan, 
and since that drive may be bad, you need every sector checked.

>  
> Also, from what I can see (so far) this might work for my Host, or is 
> it too old of a Kernel to make this work..

What does the book say?


-- 
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paulgrog...@fastmail.fm
Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."
(I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)
--
 
Hi All;
 
Paul and everyone;
"Somewhere"?  "not sure what version"?  QED.If you're going to build LFS 
successfully you're going to haveto change how you work.
I was just mentioning that I remembered I had a copy of Knoppix on a CD..

I knew I would have to find it and see what version I had,

You may be blessed with a memory that would remember these things, 
but, I feel good if I can remember just that I have it, I can then go and find 
it, 
which I did..> I have downloaded Knoppix 5.1.1, but I couldn't get it to boot, 
it says > no boot record..You need an "image" file and you don't burn it as a 
file, as you do most things.  There's a different process, much like "dd".

I did just like I had done before with the many of CD/DVD's, 
that I have done to burn an Image..
I had downloaded the .ISO image and burned it to disk, only it didn't work 
with the Knoppix 5.1.1 that I had, maybe even though it had the correct type
it wasn't or didn't have the boot information.. Maybe it wasn't a bootable ISO 
Image file..

If you're going to build LFS successfully you're going to have to change how 
you work.It's not that I can't follow Instructions, I just don't always 
remember exact details when I am answering emails like to You.. But, when I am 
building I have the Terminal emulation on one side (left) and the PDF file of 
the Linux From Scratch on the right hand side, and I do a copy and Paste sort 
of thing.. Anyway, I will shut down this Dell machine unplug the Windows Drive 
and plug in the Linux Mint 17.3 Drive and do as You told me Yesterday to do on 
that other drive with a mke2fs-c..And when that finishes, I will get back on 
here and let You know what it shows.. THANK YOU Marty 
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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Paul Rogers]

> Paul, Thank You for Your Patience..
>  
> I Found the Disk, it took some time searching thru all of the CD/DVD's 
> that I have it is Knoppix 6.71.. I also found the manual for it..

That MIGHT work for building LFS-6.x, or might not.  Run the checks from Ch. 4 
of the book.

> But, first, I will try and do as You have said.. Maybe I can find a 
> slackware version for kernel 2.6.xx..

You're not doing that.  What I wrote was use the LFS- LiveCD or, failing that, 
Knoppix-5.x for your host.  You wrote that you downloaded Knoppix-5, but didn't 
burn it properly, so it wouldn't boot.  It WILL boot if you burn it properly, 
so stop what you're doing and learn how to burn an "image".

You still don't understand the section in the book that instructs you to use 
exactly what's IN the book, not whatever you have or want.  There are explicit 
and implicit dependencies.  Interchangable parts is not a part of Linux 
systems, except in limited circumstances.  Branching out on your own is called 
"Dependency Hell" for good reason.  FBBG!  You've been told this several times.

-- 
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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:14:44 -0700

> Paul,
> 
> first, well-spotted that ext4 is inappropriate for such old kernels
> - I had completely overlooked that.
> 
> But a 2.6 kernel (if that is what that old knoppix version is
> offering) should support ext3.  A quick look at wikipedia (as
> always, "it might be accurate, or else someone with an agenda might
> have updated it") suggests that ext3 was mainlined in 2.4.15.

ext2 will always work with this old kit.  Afterwards it's trivial to upgrade to 
ext3, once everything is built, tested, backed-up, and stable.  "One step at a 
time!"  

> Hi Paul and Everyone;
>  
> I am sorry that I am upsetting You, but, I don't always remember when 
> everything came out, I know that the Kernel will be a 2.6 something..

It takes a great deal to anger me.  My emotions are very well controlled.

However, I've critiqued your apparent lack of certainty and clarity at least a 
couple times, maybe more, but it never seems to change.  Who's going to suffer 
from it?  Not me, but you will--my half-century of working with computers make 
me quite certain of that.

>> 3) download and burn a Knoppix-5.x LIVE iso,
>  
>  
> I can download that, somewhere I have a Knoppix Disk, but, I am not 
> sure what version it is, so I will Download it..


"Somewhere"?  "not sure what version"?  QED.

If you're going to build LFS successfully you're going to haveto change how you 
work.


> I have downloaded Knoppix 5.1.1, but I couldn't get it to boot, it says 
> no boot record..

You need an "image" file and you don't burn it as a file, as you do most 
things.  There's a different process, much like "dd".

>  
> BUT, while cleaning in my room, I found a four CD set of Slackware 4.0, 
> with a Kernel of 2.2.6..

If you can boot it and get a shell...

>  
> Right now it is Checking and Formatting the Hard Drive on the 586, 
> running on the 586
>  
> File type is ext2 with 1K blocks and 1 inode per 1024 bytes..
>  
> I hope that this is about what You would be OK with for checking out 
> the Hard Drive..

Maybe.  You used "mke2fs -c ..."?  A "normal" mke2fs doesn't do a surface scan, 
and since that drive may be bad, you need every sector checked.

>  
> Also, from what I can see (so far) this might work for my Host, or is 
> it too old of a Kernel to make this work..

What does the book say?


-- 
Paul Rogers
paulgrog...@fastmail.fm
Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."
(I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)
--
 
Hi All;
 
Paul, Thank You for Your Patience..
 
"Somewhere"?  "not sure what version"?  QED.
 
I Found the Disk, it took some time searching thru all of the CD/DVD's that I 
have it is Knoppix 6.71.. I also found the manual for it..
 
Maybe.  You used "mke2fs -c ..."?  A "normal" mke2fs doesn't do a surface scan, 
and since that drive may be bad, you need every sector checked.
 
I can use my Dell machine and use that system and do a "mke2fs -c .. And have 
the drive as a secondary drive that it will check using Mint 17.3 ..
 
I will let You know what shows up on that drive after running mke2fs-c.. 
 
What does the book say? I will look,  I just looked, and it is even older than 
Linux from scratch, 3.2, so Yes, it would need to be updates,if that is 
possible..
 
But, first, I will try and do as You have said.. Maybe I can find a slackware 
version for kernel 2.6.xx..
 
THANK YOU Marty
 
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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Paul Rogers]

> Paul,
> 
> first, well-spotted that ext4 is inappropriate for such old kernels
> - I had completely overlooked that.
> 
> But a 2.6 kernel (if that is what that old knoppix version is
> offering) should support ext3.  A quick look at wikipedia (as
> always, "it might be accurate, or else someone with an agenda might
> have updated it") suggests that ext3 was mainlined in 2.4.15.

ext2 will always work with this old kit.  Afterwards it's trivial to upgrade to 
ext3, once everything is built, tested, backed-up, and stable.  "One step at a 
time!"  

> Hi Paul and Everyone;
>  
> I am sorry that I am upsetting You, but, I don't always remember when 
> everything came out, I know that the Kernel will be a 2.6 something..

It takes a great deal to anger me.  My emotions are very well controlled.

However, I've critiqued your apparent lack of certainty and clarity at least a 
couple times, maybe more, but it never seems to change.  Who's going to suffer 
from it?  Not me, but you will--my half-century of working with computers make 
me quite certain of that.

>> 3) download and burn a Knoppix-5.x LIVE iso,
>  
>  
> I can download that, somewhere I have a Knoppix Disk, but, I am not 
> sure what version it is, so I will Download it..


"Somewhere"?  "not sure what version"?  QED.

If you're going to build LFS successfully you're going to haveto change how you 
work.


> I have downloaded Knoppix 5.1.1, but I couldn't get it to boot, it says 
> no boot record..

You need an "image" file and you don't burn it as a file, as you do most 
things.  There's a different process, much like "dd".

>  
> BUT, while cleaning in my room, I found a four CD set of Slackware 4.0, 
> with a Kernel of 2.2.6..

If you can boot it and get a shell...

>  
> Right now it is Checking and Formatting the Hard Drive on the 586, 
> running on the 586
>  
> File type is ext2 with 1K blocks and 1 inode per 1024 bytes..
>  
> I hope that this is about what You would be OK with for checking out 
> the Hard Drive..

Maybe.  You used "mke2fs -c ..."?  A "normal" mke2fs doesn't do a surface scan, 
and since that drive may be bad, you need every sector checked.

>  
> Also, from what I can see (so far) this might work for my Host, or is 
> it too old of a Kernel to make this work..

What does the book say?


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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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-- Original Message --
From: "geist1...@juno.com" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 01:49:03 GMT




-- Original Message --
From: Ken Moffat 
To: LFS Support List 
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 00:14:39 +0100

On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 03:26:59PM -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> > I am going to put it on my windows, and reformat it like You said, I 
> > had previously used Ext4 or something like that.. 
>  
> Let me be clear, "something like that" isn't going to cut it.  Be precise, 
> take notes.
> 
Indeed.

> 
> 8) do NOT format it with ext4!, just ext2.
> 
> You're making a 20 year-old system!!!  Forget EVERYTHING that has happened 
> since then.  You're going to be using a 2.6 kernel, for crying out loud!
> 

Paul,

first, well-spotted that ext4 is inappropriate for such old kernels
- I had completely overlooked that.

But a 2.6 kernel (if that is what that old knoppix version is
offering) should support ext3.  A quick look at wikipedia (as
always, "it might be accurate, or else someone with an agenda might
have updated it") suggests that ext3 was mainlined in 2.4.15.

My memory suggests that it was initially marked as unstable, but I
think I was using it when I first came to LFS (apparently around
March 2002, at least that is the earliest post I can find although I
think that was for my second build - on the first I didn't use
scripts).

ĸen
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Hi Ken;
 
Thank You for the suggestions, and still talking to me..
 
I do not mean to upset everyone,..
 
THANK YOU Marty
 
Hi all;
 
Paul and Ken;
 
I have downloaded Knoppix 5.1.1, but I couldn't get it to boot, it says no boot 
record..
 
BUT, while cleaning in my room, I found a four CD set of Slackware 4.0, with a 
Kernel of 2.2.6..
 
Right now it is Checking and Formatting the Hard Drive on the 586, running on 
the 586
 
File type is ext2 with 1K blocks and 1 inode per 1024 bytes..
 
I hope that this is about what You would be OK with for checking out the Hard 
Drive..
 
Also, from what I can see (so far) this might work for my Host, or is it too 
old of a Kernel to make this work..
 
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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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From: Ken Moffat 
To: LFS Support List 
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 00:14:39 +0100

On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 03:26:59PM -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> > I am going to put it on my windows, and reformat it like You said, I 
> > had previously used Ext4 or something like that.. 
>  
> Let me be clear, "something like that" isn't going to cut it.  Be precise, 
> take notes.
> 
Indeed.

> 
> 8) do NOT format it with ext4!, just ext2.
> 
> You're making a 20 year-old system!!!  Forget EVERYTHING that has happened 
> since then.  You're going to be using a 2.6 kernel, for crying out loud!
> 

Paul,

first, well-spotted that ext4 is inappropriate for such old kernels
- I had completely overlooked that.

But a 2.6 kernel (if that is what that old knoppix version is
offering) should support ext3.  A quick look at wikipedia (as
always, "it might be accurate, or else someone with an agenda might
have updated it") suggests that ext3 was mainlined in 2.4.15.

My memory suggests that it was initially marked as unstable, but I
think I was using it when I first came to LFS (apparently around
March 2002, at least that is the earliest post I can find although I
think that was for my second build - on the first I didn't use
scripts).

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Thank You for the suggestions, and still talking to me..
 
I do not mean to upset everyone,..
 
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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 15:26:59 -0700

> I am going to put it on my windows, and reformat it like You said, I 
> had previously used Ext4 or something like that.. 
 
Let me be clear, "something like that" isn't going to cut it.  Be precise, take 
notes.

1) format it and scan it on Windows if thats the only way you can,

2) put a CDR drive in the box,

3) download and burn a Knoppix-5.x LIVE iso,

4) IF Windows claims the drive is faultless, put the drive back in the K6 box,

5) boot Knoppix,

6) run the dd to wipe the drive, carefully noting any glitches,

7) repartition the drive with fdisk,

8) do NOT format it with ext4!, just ext2.

You're making a 20 year-old system!!!  Forget EVERYTHING that has happened 
since then.  You're going to be using a 2.6 kernel, for crying out loud!

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Hi Paul and Everyone;
 
Thank You for the Steps..
 
You're making a 20 year-old system!!!  Forget EVERYTHING that has happened 
since then.  You're going to be using a 2.6 kernel.
 
I am sorry that I am upsetting You, but, I don't always remember when 
everything came out, I know that the Kernel will be a 2.6 something..
 
I have done step 1..
 
2) put a CDR drive in the box, I don't know if I even have a CDR, or a working 
CD Player..
 
3) download and burn a Knoppix-5.x LIVE iso,
 
 
I can download that, somewhere I have a Knoppix Disk, but, I am not sure what 
version it is, so I will Download it..
 
5) boot Knoppix,

6) run the dd to wipe the drive, carefully noting any glitches,

7) repartition the drive with fdisk,
 
 
These I can do..
 
8) do NOT format it with ext4!, just ext2.  OK !
 
THANK YOU Marty
 
P.S., My main System went down last night, after eliminating different things, 
it looks like the Power Supply has gone weak, this was after totally cleaning 
everything to take away excessive heat, it still fails..
 
So I am on my Dell Computer to do my emails..
 
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Ken Moffat]

On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 03:26:59PM -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> > I am going to put it on my windows, and reformat it like You said, I 
> > had previously used Ext4 or something like that.. 
>  
> Let me be clear, "something like that" isn't going to cut it.  Be precise, 
> take notes.
> 
Indeed.

> 
> 8) do NOT format it with ext4!, just ext2.
> 
> You're making a 20 year-old system!!!  Forget EVERYTHING that has happened 
> since then.  You're going to be using a 2.6 kernel, for crying out loud!
> 

Paul,

first, well-spotted that ext4 is inappropriate for such old kernels
- I had completely overlooked that.

But a 2.6 kernel (if that is what that old knoppix version is
offering) should support ext3.  A quick look at wikipedia (as
always, "it might be accurate, or else someone with an agenda might
have updated it") suggests that ext3 was mainlined in 2.4.15.

My memory suggests that it was initially marked as unstable, but I
think I was using it when I first came to LFS (apparently around
March 2002, at least that is the earliest post I can find although I
think that was for my second build - on the first I didn't use
scripts).

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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> I am going to put it on my windows, and reformat it like You said, I 
> had previously used Ext4 or something like that.. 
 
Let me be clear, "something like that" isn't going to cut it.  Be precise, take 
notes.

1) format it and scan it on Windows if thats the only way you can,

2) put a CDR drive in the box,

3) download and burn a Knoppix-5.x LIVE iso,

4) IF Windows claims the drive is faultless, put the drive back in the K6 box,

5) boot Knoppix,

6) run the dd to wipe the drive, carefully noting any glitches,

7) repartition the drive with fdisk,

8) do NOT format it with ext4!, just ext2.

You're making a 20 year-old system!!!  Forget EVERYTHING that has happened 
since then.  You're going to be using a 2.6 kernel, for crying out loud!

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 14:42:25 -0700

> Hi All; Paul, Sorry about not being clear.. When Installing Linux Mint, 
> it is in Partition mode, goes on thru to about 73% of that process, and 
> (Like the other night) it stayed at 73% for over 2 and a half hours, 

Was there a spinner, aka "throbber", on the screen?  What else was on the 
screen at the time and most recently?  What did it say it was going to do 
before then?

> not moving.. When I shut it off and went to bed..It says something like 

Something like?

> "determining file structure"..

Mostly when that happens I think of an I/O error on the drive that it keeps 
retrying and never gets a successful read.  

SO...

1) What is/was on the drive?  Got enough free space?
2) Is it at least as large as Mint's system requirements say?
3) Is the drive surface error-free?
4) Find a drive initialization CD/packege either from the manufacturer or a 
generic package and do a surface scan.  Even make it a slave drive on a Windows 
box, format it as one FAT-32 partition, which will make format do a surface 
scan, then scan it again.  If all else fails, "dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda 
bs=4096" -- and that will get rid of the Windows junk on the drive.

> Partition mode, sets up the Drive (I think formats the drive) 

You need to KNOW what it's doing!

And like Ken says, I NEVER allow an installer to decide where to partition 
things and format any drive!


> copies the files to the Drive after copying them they are Extracted and 
> Mint is set up, so that the full system is there and is bootable..So 
> the problem is early in the Process, when setting up the drive possibly 

>From the way you describe things, all that's extraneous, what WOULD happed IF 
>you hadn't gotten stuck first.

> formatting it and Partitioning it (getting it ready for the files to be 
> copied).. Making the 'Root' Partition and the 'swap' Partition.. 
> Somewhere in that process it stops working.. I did have a thought this 

WHERE?  That is critical!

> morning while mowing my friends lawn .. That If I can sort of do a 
> compare on the Linux Mint Version 5 and the Individual programs that 
> are in the List for Linux Mint ver 5, and make a Map of where the 
> different parts of what I have on the list is located in the Mint 
> program.. Maybe I could find the Part that has the Partition program 
> and see if that is or has a 'bug' or error in it.. THANK YOU Marty

Waste of time.  You don't know there IS a bug in the partition program, and I'd 
say chances of that, IF you don't have a bad CD copy, is zero.

> ...
> Far be it from me to attempt to guess what Paul will suggest, but on
> the (thankfully rare ;) occasions when I've had to install a distro
> I always avoid letting it do any automatic partitioning : I select
> whatever it's 'expert' mode is called, create partitions to my
> specification (at a minimum /boot, / for the system I hope to
> install, swap if needed, and unpartitioned space in which I will
> later create partitions for use by LFS).

Yep, me too.  You're doin' fine.

> period were a lot smaller, which I think is why Paul suggested using
> something really old.

And they have drivers specific to that era of hardware, without acquiring a lot 
of useless cruft for stuff off in its future.

> 
> Some distros might let you open a shell on another tty.  If that is
> available, you could try 'df' and 'top' (they might not be
> available) to see what is going on.

"fdisk -l"

> 
> One possibility might be that there is a problem with the CD, either
> the drive or the CD itself.  I assume you burned it on a CDR, from

I told him to get rid of the DVD he put in the box and go back to a 
contemporaneous CDR.

> ...
> P.S., I was partially wrong in what I said, Mint first loads itself 
> into Memory, probably a small version of the whole thing.. 

How much does it load into memory?  Does it let you have a shell?

>  
> Is there any way to Load up a later Mint and use 'Debug' and Load the 
> DVD with Mint 5, and have it load Mint 5 with debug ??

NO!!!  Deal with the problems you have first.  If you keep running around here 
and there you'll get yourself lost and confused.  Confusion must be combatted 
at all costs!!!


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Paul, Thank You for all of the Information..
 
Mostly when that happens I think of an I/O error on the drive that it keeps 
retrying and never gets a successful read.  
Find a drive initialization CD/packege either from the manufacturer or a

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-supp...@linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 15:02:31 -0700

Download an image of Knoppix-5.0.2 and burn it to a CD, then boot that to a 
shell on that K6.  Then you'll have a shell to can test that drive with under 
Linux.

-- 
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Hi All;
 
Paul, Thank You for Your responses..
I am going to put it on my windows, and reformat it like You said, I had 
previously used Ext4 or something like that.. 
 
I am going to do like You have said and go thru Your Last email a few times to 
make it clear in my mind..
 
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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Download an image of Knoppix-5.0.2 and burn it to a CD, then boot that to a 
shell on that K6.  Then you'll have a shell to can test that drive with under 
Linux.

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Paul Rogers]

> Hi All; Paul, Sorry about not being clear.. When Installing Linux Mint, 
> it is in Partition mode, goes on thru to about 73% of that process, and 
> (Like the other night) it stayed at 73% for over 2 and a half hours, 

Was there a spinner, aka "throbber", on the screen?  What else was on the 
screen at the time and most recently?  What did it say it was going to do 
before then?

> not moving.. When I shut it off and went to bed..It says something like 

Something like?

> "determining file structure"..

Mostly when that happens I think of an I/O error on the drive that it keeps 
retrying and never gets a successful read.  

SO...

1) What is/was on the drive?  Got enough free space?
2) Is it at least as large as Mint's system requirements say?
3) Is the drive surface error-free?
4) Find a drive initialization CD/packege either from the manufacturer or a 
generic package and do a surface scan.  Even make it a slave drive on a Windows 
box, format it as one FAT-32 partition, which will make format do a surface 
scan, then scan it again.  If all else fails, "dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda 
bs=4096" -- and that will get rid of the Windows junk on the drive.

> Partition mode, sets up the Drive (I think formats the drive) 

You need to KNOW what it's doing!

And like Ken says, I NEVER allow an installer to decide where to partition 
things and format any drive!


> copies the files to the Drive after copying them they are Extracted and 
> Mint is set up, so that the full system is there and is bootable..So 
> the problem is early in the Process, when setting up the drive possibly 

From the way you describe things, all that's extraneous, what WOULD happed IF 
you hadn't gotten stuck first.

> formatting it and Partitioning it (getting it ready for the files to be 
> copied).. Making the 'Root' Partition and the 'swap' Partition.. 
> Somewhere in that process it stops working.. I did have a thought this 

WHERE?  That is critical!

> morning while mowing my friends lawn .. That If I can sort of do a 
> compare on the Linux Mint Version 5 and the Individual programs that 
> are in the List for Linux Mint ver 5, and make a Map of where the 
> different parts of what I have on the list is located in the Mint 
> program.. Maybe I could find the Part that has the Partition program 
> and see if that is or has a 'bug' or error in it.. THANK YOU Marty

Waste of time.  You don't know there IS a bug in the partition program, and I'd 
say chances of that, IF you don't have a bad CD copy, is zero.

> ...
> Far be it from me to attempt to guess what Paul will suggest, but on
> the (thankfully rare ;) occasions when I've had to install a distro
> I always avoid letting it do any automatic partitioning : I select
> whatever it's 'expert' mode is called, create partitions to my
> specification (at a minimum /boot, / for the system I hope to
> install, swap if needed, and unpartitioned space in which I will
> later create partitions for use by LFS).

Yep, me too.  You're doin' fine.

> period were a lot smaller, which I think is why Paul suggested using
> something really old.

And they have drivers specific to that era of hardware, without acquiring a lot 
of useless cruft for stuff off in its future.

> 
> Some distros might let you open a shell on another tty.  If that is
> available, you could try 'df' and 'top' (they might not be
> available) to see what is going on.

"fdisk -l"

> 
> One possibility might be that there is a problem with the CD, either
> the drive or the CD itself.  I assume you burned it on a CDR, from

I told him to get rid of the DVD he put in the box and go back to a 
contemporaneous CDR.

> ...
> P.S., I was partially wrong in what I said, Mint first loads itself 
> into Memory, probably a small version of the whole thing.. 

How much does it load into memory?  Does it let you have a shell?

>  
> Is there any way to Load up a later Mint and use 'Debug' and Load the 
> DVD with Mint 5, and have it load Mint 5 with debug ??

NO!!!  Deal with the problems you have first.  If you keep running around here 
and there you'll get yourself lost and confused.  Confusion must be combatted 
at all costs!!!


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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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From: "geist1...@juno.com" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 00:37:36 GMT




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From: Ken Moffat 
To: LFS Support List 
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 01:24:49 +0100

On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 11:19:07PM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
> Hi All; Paul, Sorry about not being clear.. When Installing Linux Mint, it is 
> in Partition mode, goes on thru to about 73% of that process, and (Like the 
> other night) it stayed at 73% for over 2 and a half hours, not moving.. When 
> I shut it off and went to bed..It says something like "determining file 
> structure"..When Mint is working, it goes in Partition mode, sets up the 
> Drive (I think formats the drive) and then copies the files to the Drive 
> after copying them they are Extracted and Mint is set up, so that the full 
> system is there and is bootable..So the problem is early in the Process, when 
> setting up the drive possibly formatting it and Partitioning it (getting it 
> ready for the files to be copied).. Making the 'Root' Partition and the 
> 'swap' Partition.. Somewhere in that process it stops working.. I did have a 
> thought this morning while mowing my friends lawn .. That If I can sort of do 
> a compare on the Linux Mint Version 5 and the Individual programs that are in 
> the List for Linux Mint ver 5, and make a Map of where the different parts of 
> what I have on the list is located in the Mint program.. Maybe I could find 
> the Part that has the Partition program and see if that is or has a 'bug' or 
> error in it.. THANK YOU Marty

Far be it from me to attempt to guess what Paul will suggest, but on
the (thankfully rare ;) occasions when I've had to install a distro
I always avoid letting it do any automatic partitioning : I select
whatever it's 'expert' mode is called, create partitions to my
specification (at a minimum /boot, / for the system I hope to
install, swap if needed, and unpartitioned space in which I will
later create partitions for use by LFS).

Normally, distros then offer the option to format the partitions.

By doing that, I can at least see that the disk can be formatted,
i.e. that writing to it appears to work.

After that, I would expect the installer to say what it is
installing, and therefore indicate whether it is slowly making
progress.

Earlier, Paul suggested you will be using 40-pin IDE cables.  And I
assume your memory will be PC100, and not a lot of it.  The
combination is a recipe for slow installation.  Distros from the K6
period were a lot smaller, which I think is why Paul suggested using
something really old.

Some distros might let you open a shell on another tty.  If that is
available, you could try 'df' and 'top' (they might not be
available) to see what is going on.

One possibility might be that there is a problem with the CD, either
the drive or the CD itself.  I assume you burned it on a CDR, from
experience this weekend loading memtest86 (old) CD version (a very
small burn!) I can tell that even on modern CD/DVD drives with fast
processors and fast memory, the process of reading a CD can be very
slow.

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I am going to fire it up (in a minute) and see if I can do any of the things 
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THANK YOU Marty
 
 
P.S., I was partially wrong in what I said, Mint first loads itself into 
Memory, probably a small version of the whole thing.. 
Then if I start the Install and it makes it thru the various questions, then it 
gets as far as I said before to the Partition program..
 
Is there any way to Load up a later Mint and use 'Debug' and Load the DVD with 
Mint 5, and have it load Mint 5 with debug ??
 
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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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-- Original Message --
From: Ken Moffat 
To: LFS Support List 
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 01:24:49 +0100

On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 11:19:07PM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
> Hi All; Paul, Sorry about not being clear.. When Installing Linux Mint, it is 
> in Partition mode, goes on thru to about 73% of that process, and (Like the 
> other night) it stayed at 73% for over 2 and a half hours, not moving.. When 
> I shut it off and went to bed..It says something like "determining file 
> structure"..When Mint is working, it goes in Partition mode, sets up the 
> Drive (I think formats the drive) and then copies the files to the Drive 
> after copying them they are Extracted and Mint is set up, so that the full 
> system is there and is bootable..So the problem is early in the Process, when 
> setting up the drive possibly formatting it and Partitioning it (getting it 
> ready for the files to be copied).. Making the 'Root' Partition and the 
> 'swap' Partition.. Somewhere in that process it stops working.. I did have a 
> thought this morning while mowing my friends lawn .. That If I can sort of do 
> a compare on the Linux Mint Version 5 and the Individual programs that are in 
> the List for Linux Mint ver 5, and make a Map of where the different parts of 
> what I have on the list is located in the Mint program.. Maybe I could find 
> the Part that has the Partition program and see if that is or has a 'bug' or 
> error in it.. THANK YOU Marty

Far be it from me to attempt to guess what Paul will suggest, but on
the (thankfully rare ;) occasions when I've had to install a distro
I always avoid letting it do any automatic partitioning : I select
whatever it's 'expert' mode is called, create partitions to my
specification (at a minimum /boot, / for the system I hope to
install, swap if needed, and unpartitioned space in which I will
later create partitions for use by LFS).

Normally, distros then offer the option to format the partitions.

By doing that, I can at least see that the disk can be formatted,
i.e. that writing to it appears to work.

After that, I would expect the installer to say what it is
installing, and therefore indicate whether it is slowly making
progress.

Earlier, Paul suggested you will be using 40-pin IDE cables.  And I
assume your memory will be PC100, and not a lot of it.  The
combination is a recipe for slow installation.  Distros from the K6
period were a lot smaller, which I think is why Paul suggested using
something really old.

Some distros might let you open a shell on another tty.  If that is
available, you could try 'df' and 'top' (they might not be
available) to see what is going on.

One possibility might be that there is a problem with the CD, either
the drive or the CD itself.  I assume you burned it on a CDR, from
experience this weekend loading memtest86 (old) CD version (a very
small burn!) I can tell that even on modern CD/DVD drives with fast
processors and fast memory, the process of reading a CD can be very
slow.

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Ken Moffat]

On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 11:19:07PM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
> Hi All; Paul, Sorry about not being clear.. When Installing Linux Mint, it is 
> in Partition mode, goes on thru to about 73% of that process, and (Like the 
> other night) it stayed at 73% for over 2 and a half hours, not moving.. When 
> I shut it off and went to bed..It says something like "determining file 
> structure"..When Mint is working, it goes in Partition mode, sets up the 
> Drive (I think formats the drive) and then copies the files to the Drive 
> after copying them they are Extracted and Mint is set up, so that the full 
> system is there and is bootable..So the problem is early in the Process, when 
> setting up the drive possibly formatting it and Partitioning it (getting it 
> ready for the files to be copied).. Making the 'Root' Partition and the 
> 'swap' Partition.. Somewhere in that process it stops working.. I did have a 
> thought this morning while mowing my friends lawn .. That If I can sort of do 
> a compare on the Linux Mint Version 5 and the Individual programs that are in 
> the List for Linux Mint ver 5, and make a Map of where the different parts of 
> what I have on the list is located in the Mint program.. Maybe I could find 
> the Part that has the Partition program and see if that is or has a 'bug' or 
> error in it.. THANK YOU Marty

Far be it from me to attempt to guess what Paul will suggest, but on
the (thankfully rare ;) occasions when I've had to install a distro
I always avoid letting it do any automatic partitioning : I select
whatever it's 'expert' mode is called, create partitions to my
specification (at a minimum /boot, / for the system I hope to
install, swap if needed, and unpartitioned space in which I will
later create partitions for use by LFS).

Normally, distros then offer the option to format the partitions.

By doing that, I can at least see that the disk can be formatted,
i.e. that writing to it appears to work.

After that, I would expect the installer to say what it is
installing, and therefore indicate whether it is slowly making
progress.

Earlier, Paul suggested you will be using 40-pin IDE cables.  And I
assume your memory will be PC100, and not a lot of it.  The
combination is a recipe for slow installation.  Distros from the K6
period were a lot smaller, which I think is why Paul suggested using
something really old.

Some distros might let you open a shell on another tty.  If that is
available, you could try 'df' and 'top' (they might not be
available) to see what is going on.

One possibility might be that there is a problem with the CD, either
the drive or the CD itself.  I assume you burned it on a CDR, from
experience this weekend loading memtest86 (old) CD version (a very
small burn!) I can tell that even on modern CD/DVD drives with fast
processors and fast memory, the process of reading a CD can be very
slow.

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[geist1...@juno.com]

Hi All; Paul, Sorry about not being clear.. When Installing Linux Mint, it is 
in Partition mode, goes on thru to about 73% of that process, and (Like the 
other night) it stayed at 73% for over 2 and a half hours, not moving.. When I 
shut it off and went to bed..It says something like "determining file 
structure"..When Mint is working, it goes in Partition mode, sets up the Drive 
(I think formats the drive) and then copies the files to the Drive after 
copying them they are Extracted and Mint is set up, so that the full system is 
there and is bootable..So the problem is early in the Process, when setting up 
the drive possibly formatting it and Partitioning it (getting it ready for the 
files to be copied).. Making the 'Root' Partition and the 'swap' Partition.. 
Somewhere in that process it stops working.. I did have a thought this morning 
while mowing my friends lawn .. That If I can sort of do a compare on the Linux 
Mint Version 5 and the Individual programs that are in the List for Linux Mint 
ver 5, and make a Map of where the different parts of what I have on the list 
is located in the Mint program.. Maybe I could find the Part that has the 
Partition program and see if that is or has a 'bug' or error in it.. THANK YOU 
Marty

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From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 11:41:46 -0700

>> In my experience, any time a system misbehaves, that's a bug!  You need 
>> to chase that sucker down until you know exactly what happened and why! 
>>  Then fix it and KNOW you fixed it! 
>  
> How would I go about doing that, what steps do I take ??

That is "debugging", and I don't know if it CAN be trained.  I've observed that 
some people are good at building detailed mental constructs from hypotheticals 
and making judgements and comparisons with and about them, and others need to 
have a reality presented to them.  It's sort of the difference between an 
engineer and a mechanic.  I think it's a talent.  

>  
> Is there any tests that I could Run on Mint and see what fails ??

Your description is still not precise enough for me to get an idea of what's 
going wrong.  Something as simple and direct as telling me what is going on at 
the time it fails, e.g. runing some particular program, what made you decide it 
was "stuck".  "Stuck" isn't an operative word.

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Paul Rogers]

>> In my experience, any time a system misbehaves, that's a bug!  You need 
>> to chase that sucker down until you know exactly what happened and why! 
>>  Then fix it and KNOW you fixed it! 
>  
> How would I go about doing that, what steps do I take ??

That is "debugging", and I don't know if it CAN be trained.  I've observed that 
some people are good at building detailed mental constructs from hypotheticals 
and making judgements and comparisons with and about them, and others need to 
have a reality presented to them.  It's sort of the difference between an 
engineer and a mechanic.  I think it's a talent.  

>  
> Is there any tests that I could Run on Mint and see what fails ??

Your description is still not precise enough for me to get an idea of what's 
going wrong.  Something as simple and direct as telling me what is going on at 
the time it fails, e.g. runing some particular program, what made you decide it 
was "stuck".  "Stuck" isn't an operative word.

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2019 12:57:43 -0700

> Paul, I got the Eleventh Edition in PDF format, online..

I'm curious, how much coverage does it have on the Pentium-3 Coppermines and 
the 810/815 chipsets?

My 10th basically quits with the Pentium-II.  I typically skip a generation or 
two with what I support, and I did not like the Pentium-4.  Nor did Intel!  
After the P4 they made the famous "left-turn" and went back to the Pentium-3 
Mobile core for all further development.  I have a Northwood, but I never run 
it.

> I had to switch to Ubuntu 5.10, as my Linux Mint would get partially 
> thru the partition and then get stuck, where as the Ubuntu made it all 
> the way thru on the Hard Disk and is bootable now..

Mint isn't much more than a respin of Ubuntu, there's not much different 
between them except for cosmetics.  So you shouldn't have experienced any 
significant difference.

Just what do you mean by "getting stuck partially thru the partition"?  mke2fs? 
 Extracting?  It's not clear.

In my experience, any time a system misbehaves, that's a bug!  You need to 
chase that sucker down until you know exactly what happened and why!  Then fix 
it and KNOW you fixed it!  If you don't, it's not going to disappear, and 
sooner or later it'll come back and bite you in the butt at the worst time!

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Hi Paul;
 
Glad to hear from You, some information on the 810, I didn't see anything on 
the 815, but I may have missed something..
 
I had some difficulties with Ubuntu, 5.10 , but, I don't remember what it was.. 
I went to 4.10, but, I didn't like it.. I am going to wipe the drive and try 
Mint Again..
The trouble I had with Mint was it would seem to get stuck at 73 % on 
partition..
I think I have a different Drive to try Mint on..
 
In my experience, any time a system misbehaves, that's a bug!  You need to 
chase that sucker down until you know exactly what happened and why!  Then fix 
it and KNOW you fixed it! 
 
How would I go about doing that, what steps do I take ??
 
Is there any tests that I could Run on Mint and see what fails ??
 
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Paul Rogers]

> Paul, I got the Eleventh Edition in PDF format, online..

I'm curious, how much coverage does it have on the Pentium-3 Coppermines and 
the 810/815 chipsets?

My 10th basically quits with the Pentium-II.  I typically skip a generation or 
two with what I support, and I did not like the Pentium-4.  Nor did Intel!  
After the P4 they made the famous "left-turn" and went back to the Pentium-3 
Mobile core for all further development.  I have a Northwood, but I never run 
it.

> I had to switch to Ubuntu 5.10, as my Linux Mint would get partially 
> thru the partition and then get stuck, where as the Ubuntu made it all 
> the way thru on the Hard Disk and is bootable now..

Mint isn't much more than a respin of Ubuntu, there's not much different 
between them except for cosmetics.  So you shouldn't have experienced any 
significant difference.

Just what do you mean by "getting stuck partially thru the partition"?  mke2fs? 
 Extracting?  It's not clear.

In my experience, any time a system misbehaves, that's a bug!  You need to 
chase that sucker down until you know exactly what happened and why!  Then fix 
it and KNOW you fixed it!  If you don't, it's not going to disappear, and 
sooner or later it'll come back and bite you in the butt at the worst time!

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 15:56:57 -0700

> I have some reading to do, as to what makes up a 586 system..
> Do You have any suggestions ??

A contemporaneous "Upgrading and Repairing PCs" book of the era.I have 
Scott Mueller's 10th Edition for the old stuff.

> What did You do to get all of the Experience that You have on these 
> older systems, (I know that not that long ago they were not considered 
> as being old), that You can pass on ??

My professional career was in programming and mainframe data centers systems 
management since the late '60's.  Since I hand-built and kept upgrading my 
IMSAI in '76, I developed "skills": soldering, circuit reading, a smattering of 
electronics, and not being able to afford to keep up with the breakneck pace, I 
scrounged and salvaged old computers and made them work.  Unfortunately it's 
not transferable, and as Euclid told Ptolemy, "There is no royal road to 
geometry."  Learn by doing.


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--
 
Hi All;
 
Paul, I got the Eleventh Edition in PDF format, online..
 
I had to switch to Ubuntu 5.10, as my Linux Mint would get partially thru the 
partition and then get stuck, where as the Ubuntu made it all the way thru on 
the Hard Disk and is bootable now..
 
So I can continue making the Linux From Scratch..
 
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Paul Rogers]

> I have some reading to do, as to what makes up a 586 system..
> Do You have any suggestions ??

A contemporaneous "Upgrading and Repairing PCs" book of the era.I have 
Scott Mueller's 10th Edition for the old stuff.

> What did You do to get all of the Experience that You have on these 
> older systems, (I know that not that long ago they were not considered 
> as being old), that You can pass on ??

My professional career was in programming and mainframe data centers systems 
management since the late '60's.  Since I hand-built and kept upgrading my 
IMSAI in '76, I developed "skills": soldering, circuit reading, a smattering of 
electronics, and not being able to afford to keep up with the breakneck pace, I 
scrounged and salvaged old computers and made them work.  Unfortunately it's 
not transferable, and as Euclid told Ptolemy, "There is no royal road to 
geometry."  Learn by doing.


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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 22:36:47 -0700

It's neither necessary nor desired to quote all of the post you're responding 
to.

> then there is ALI M1543C  XB5W020D,

That's the South Bridge and integrated Super I/O chip for the Aladdin IV 
chipset.  It's roughly equivalent to an Intel TX chipset.  Since it's not a top 
of the line MoBo, it's only going to be able to cache 64MB of RAM, any more 
than that will be uncached, meaning everything will be horribly slow because 
the kernel won't be cached.  It won't be able to handle newer USB devices, only 
contemporaneous stuff of the day.  And you're really better off making sure the 
BIOS sees what it knows how to handle, i.e. with a CD drive in it.

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Thank You for the advice, and the information on the Aladdin IV chipset..
 
I have some reading to do, as to what makes up a 586 system..
 
Do You have any suggestions ??
 
What did You do to get all of the Experience that You have on these older 
systems, (I know that not that long ago they were not considered as being old), 
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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Paul Rogers]

It's neither necessary nor desired to quote all of the post you're responding 
to.

> then there is ALI M1543C  XB5W020D,

That's the South Bridge and integrated Super I/O chip for the Aladdin IV 
chipset.  It's roughly equivalent to an Intel TX chipset.  Since it's not a top 
of the line MoBo, it's only going to be able to cache 64MB of RAM, any more 
than that will be uncached, meaning everything will be horribly slow because 
the kernel won't be cached.  It won't be able to handle newer USB devices, only 
contemporaneous stuff of the day.  And you're really better off making sure the 
BIOS sees what it knows how to handle, i.e. with a CD drive in it.

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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To: LFS Support List 
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 00:43:23 +0100

On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 10:52:09PM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
>  
> Hi All;
>  
> My Video Card took a Dump, and so far, nothing else that I have Works..
>  

I'm not surprised - I had a K6-2 when I started playing with LFS,
but the chipset died around 2003.  These mobos were sold as a
cheaper alternative to intel, so even in the days when hardware was
expected to last for a few years the items were built down to a price.

Much as it might hurt, my advice is to give up on it.

If it makes you feel any better, I recently trashed my i3
SandyBridge (from about 2012) because it was too slow compiling
BLFS and I hoped to reuse the case - until I discovered the case
on/off switch was hard-wired to the PSU instead of being on generic
connectors.

More generally, if a home-quality PC is older than, say, 5 years
then building BLFS packages becomes painfully slow : not because
modern CPUs are necessarily faster (many are not), but because
memory speeds and disk I/O speeds have moved on.  And most people
who develop software use recent machines and recent compilers.

So I'm sorry that your VGA card has died, but I suspect it has saved
you from a lot of pain.

ĸen
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Thank You, Ken for Your Input, but it came a few minutes too late..
I have it back working, I found numerous problems, One that two of the ports 
weren't working, some contact cleaner (Deoxit) helped that situation.. And 
Secondly, I had unknowingly turned off the PCI VGA Port, so none of the VGA 
boards would work..
 
So, I am back on track, but, when I later get frustrated about the slow speed 
that everything is taking to accomplish, I will know that Ken warned me, that 
this time would come..
 
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 10:52:09PM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
>  
> Hi All;
>  
> My Video Card took a Dump, and so far, nothing else that I have Works..
>  

I'm not surprised - I had a K6-2 when I started playing with LFS,
but the chipset died around 2003.  These mobos were sold as a
cheaper alternative to intel, so even in the days when hardware was
expected to last for a few years the items were built down to a price.

Much as it might hurt, my advice is to give up on it.

If it makes you feel any better, I recently trashed my i3
SandyBridge (from about 2012) because it was too slow compiling
BLFS and I hoped to reuse the case - until I discovered the case
on/off switch was hard-wired to the PSU instead of being on generic
connectors.

More generally, if a home-quality PC is older than, say, 5 years
then building BLFS packages becomes painfully slow : not because
modern CPUs are necessarily faster (many are not), but because
memory speeds and disk I/O speeds have moved on.  And most people
who develop software use recent machines and recent compilers.

So I'm sorry that your VGA card has died, but I suspect it has saved
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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 14:34:29 GMT




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Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 15:42:46 -0700

> I Don't know what FBBG is..   

"Follow Book, Book Good!"

> I sent a Picture of the motherboard and it looks like it got Rejected a 
> being too large of a file..

Not a good idea, not necessary.  Mark 1 eyeball is best.

>  
> I found out from the Bios that the Motherboard is a Sunlogix..
> The Bios number is --
> 62-1126-001437-0010--071595-ArtX-M587LMR-0
> So far I can't seem to get any information on them about this board..

I have TH99 database, but it has nothing of Sunlogix.  Doesn't mean it's not 
good though.  But I'd examine all the large caps and look for bulging tops.

What's the CPU and chipset?

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Hi Paul and Everyone;
 
Here is a list of most of the other large IC's, the CPU is an AMD K6-3D, the 
next largest is not known as it has a Heatsink fully attached to it and is not 
socketed..
 
then there is ALI M1543C  XB5W020D,
SIS PDK1207 (I hope this is the correct number),
C3DX HSP56 (Audio Com IC),
Gensys Logic GL520-SM 05S12,
W83194R-67B (Unknown make),
ST 75185..
 
There are a few smaller IC's..
 
THANK YOU Marty
 
P. S.,  ""But I'd examine all the large caps and look for bulging tops.""
 
All the caps look Great, I have slowed the CPU Frequency down, to see if that 
Helps..

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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-- Original Message --
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To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 15:42:46 -0700

> I Don't know what FBBG is..   

"Follow Book, Book Good!"

> I sent a Picture of the motherboard and it looks like it got Rejected a 
> being too large of a file..

Not a good idea, not necessary.  Mark 1 eyeball is best.

>  
> I found out from the Bios that the Motherboard is a Sunlogix..
> The Bios number is --
> 62-1126-001437-0010--071595-ArtX-M587LMR-0
> So far I can't seem to get any information on them about this board..

I have TH99 database, but it has nothing of Sunlogix.  Doesn't mean it's not 
good though.  But I'd examine all the large caps and look for bulging tops.

What's the CPU and chipset?

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Hi Paul and Everyone;
 
Here is a list of most of the other large IC's, the CPU is an AMD K6-3D, the 
next largest is not known as it has a Heatsink fully attached to it and is not 
socketed..
 
then there is ALI M1543C  XB5W020D,
SIS PDK1207 (I hope this is the correct number),
C3DX HSP56 (Audio Com IC),
Gensys Logic GL520-SM 05S12,
W83194R-67B (Unknown make),
ST 75185..
 
There are a few smaller IC's..
 
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 15:42:46 -0700

> I Don't know what FBBG is..   

"Follow Book, Book Good!"

> I sent a Picture of the motherboard and it looks like it got Rejected a 
> being too large of a file..

Not a good idea, not necessary.  Mark 1 eyeball is best.

>  
> I found out from the Bios that the Motherboard is a Sunlogix..
> The Bios number is --
> 62-1126-001437-0010--071595-ArtX-M587LMR-0
> So far I can't seem to get any information on them about this board..

I have TH99 database, but it has nothing of Sunlogix.  Doesn't mean it's not 
good though.  But I'd examine all the large caps and look for bulging tops.

What's the CPU and chipset?

--
 
Hi Paul;
 
The main CPU is an AMD K6-3D, once I can power it off, and get a good Look at 
it I will let You know..
I am in the middle of downloading Linux Mint 5.0
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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> I Don't know what FBBG is..   

"Follow Book, Book Good!"

> I sent a Picture of the motherboard and it looks like it got Rejected a 
> being too large of a file..

Not a good idea, not necessary.  Mark 1 eyeball is best.

>  
> I found out from the Bios that the Motherboard is a Sunlogix..
> The Bios number is --
> 62-1126-001437-0010--071595-ArtX-M587LMR-0
> So far I can't seem to get any information on them about this board..

I have TH99 database, but it has nothing of Sunlogix.  Doesn't mean it's not 
good though.  But I'd examine all the large caps and look for bulging tops.

What's the CPU and chipset?

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 21:28:14 GMT




-- Original Message --
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To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 23:36:17 GMT

 

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To: lfs-supp...@linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:03:00 -0700

6) Fire-up the 586 and keep a keyboard key pressed during post.  If it's an AMI 
BIOS, there'll be an id string in the lower left corner.

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Hi Paul;
 
I sent a Picture of the motherboard and it looks like it got Rejected a being 
too large of a file..
 
I found out from the Bios that the Motherboard is a Sunlogix..
 
The Bios number is --
 
62-1126-001437-0010--071595-ArtX-M587LMR-0
 
So far I can't seem to get any information on them about this board..
 
THANK YOU Marty
 
Hi All;
 
I have tried Linux Mint 5.0 and 7.0 for uploading , and I think that 5.0 is the 
better Fit, I think 7.0 uses most of the available Memory..
And looking thru all of the LFS's from 6.0 to 7.0 it loos like 6.4 is the most 
like Mint 5.0, so I will try that combination..
The 586 is Installing Mint 5.0 right now..
 
THANK YOU Marty
 
P.S., I could not find a downloadable copy of Linux Mint 6.0 to see if it will 
fit any better..
 
Thank You Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 23:36:17 GMT


 

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Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:03:00 -0700

6) Fire-up the 586 and keep a keyboard key pressed during post.  If it's an AMI 
BIOS, there'll be an id string in the lower left corner.

-- 
Hi Paul;
 
I sent a Picture of the motherboard and it looks like it got Rejected a being 
too large of a file..
 
I found out from the Bios that the Motherboard is a Sunlogix..
 
The Bios number is --
 
62-1126-001437-0010--071595-ArtX-M587LMR-0
 
So far I can't seem to get any information on them about this board..
 
THANK YOU Marty
 
Hi All;
 
I have tried Linux Mint 5.0 and 7.0 for uploading , and I think that 5.0 is the 
better Fit, I think 7.0 uses most of the available Memory..
And looking thru all of the LFS's from 6.0 to 7.0 it loos like 6.4 is the most 
like Mint 5.0, so I will try that combination..
The 586 is Installing Mint 5.0 right now..
 
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:03:00 -0700

6) Fire-up the 586 and keep a keyboard key pressed during post.  If it's an AMI 
BIOS, there'll be an id string in the lower left corner.

--
 
Hi Paul;
 
I sent a Picture of the motherboard and it looks like it got Rejected a being 
too large of a file..
 
I found out from the Bios that the Motherboard is a Sunlogix..
 
The Bios number is --
 
62-1126-001437-0010--071595-ArtX-M587LMR-0
 
So far I can't seem to get any information on them about this board..
 
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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To: lfs-supp...@linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 10:43:11 -0700

1) Pick ANY contemporaneous, i.e. late '90's, Linux distro for a host, and if 
it passes the checks in Ch4, it'll do!  Get on with it.

2) Make script files for building each package from the book.  It'll save you 
time in the long run in the liklihood you'll have to start over.

3) FBBG!  Build the packages in the book.  Don't get creative.

4) What identifications are in the board's silkscreen?  It may be good to know 
what it really is, especially if it's an off-brand.  I may be able to come up 
with an id.

p.s. I still have my IMSAI!

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I had an IMSAI, but it is long gone.. My Altair and the two Hard Sector Drives 
are up on the shelf and I have a Boatload of 8" Shurgart Drives..
 
I Don't know what FBBG is..   "" Build the packages in the book. "" That is the 
Plan..
 
"" What identifications are in the board's silkscreen?  It may be good to know 
what it really is, especially if it's an off-brand.  I may be able to come up 
with an id. ""
 
Can I send  Photo of the Board ??
 
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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1) Pick ANY contemporaneous, i.e. late '90's, Linux distro for a host, and if 
it passes the checks in Ch4, it'll do!  Get on with it.

2) Make script files for building each package from the book.  It'll save you 
time in the long run in the liklihood you'll have to start over.

3) FBBG!  Build the packages in the book.  Don't get creative.

4) What identifications are in the board's silkscreen?  It may be good to know 
what it really is, especially if it's an off-brand.  I may be able to come up 
with an id.

p.s. I still have my IMSAI!

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[geist1...@juno.com]

-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 23:17:48 -0700

> The other problem with building firefox as 32-bit is that you may
> run out of virtual memory when linking it.

Building the contemporaneous version of Firefox will work if he builds a 
(B)LFS-6.1 system on the 586.  Beyond that he'll fall into "dependendy hell".

> I may have to build it on the Dell, that is still a ways away..

If you do it won't run on the 586.  You don't seem to understand instruction 
sets.

> > > Do You know How or if there is a way to find what Version of Foxfire I 
> > > have in like my Linux Mint 17.1 I can then download that , hopefully from 
> > > source and build it to a earlier version of Linux Mint that will boot on 
> > > the 586..

Again, you'll be wasting your time.  You'll really want to build a LFS system 
contemporaneous with the 586 hardware on the 586 hardware with a 
contemporaneous distro release.  Build LFS-6.1 on the 586.  Build the BLFS 
packages from the 6.1--there are dependencies the LFS team has worked out that 
will make the packages play well together.  You can't jus grab any old version 
of this and that and expect them all to play well together--the book tells you 
that, if you paid attention to it.

> will Load on the 586, so far 3.1, 5.0 and 7.0 Load and 17.1 doesn't 
> load, so while I am at it I will find out what version of foxfire it is 
> using.. And put it into a list, along with the other information and 
> see if that helps..

Stop that!  You're just confusing matters.  You do not need nor want a modern 
system to host building on the 586!  You want one that is contemporaneous with 
the hardware, a 20 year-old distro!

> Paul, You mentioned about foxfire 2.0.0.16 which I have downloaded, but 
> the impression I got from your posting, was that it wouldn't work to 
> gain access of the Internet, So, I don't see any reason to compile 
> that, OR did I mis-read Your Post ??

It seems to me you've misread or misunderstood all of my posts.  What was the 
internet like 20 years ago?  Do you remember Netscape?  Things have changed!  
You can't drive a horse and buggy on the Interstate Highways!  Not be cause the 
horse and buggy can't handle the concrete, assuming the horse has non-slip 
rubber horse-shoes, but because the other users and standards on the highway 
won't support you.  You'd be expected to go 60MPH.

> I currently am updating and possibly upgrading Ubuntu 4.10 on the 586, 
> it is running from the disk that I have for it, once this gets 
> completed, and I have the version numbers of the various packages, I 
> will try Ubuntu 5.10, 6.10, 7.10 up to 10.10 and see what will run..  
> But, so far it is looking good.. Once I see what work and what would be 
> the best match for LFS..

You don't seem to understand what a 586 is and is not, yet you are charging 
ahead as though it weren't a 20 year-old CPU!

> 
> Why don't we use a cross-compiler? I suggest to make a cross-compiler
> for i586-linux-gnu and use that to build the temporary system. I can
> create a guide for that.

Compiling 32-bit code on a 64-bit CPU WOULD BE a cross-compiling job, if he 
didn't have the 586 available to build with.  It may be slower compiling on the 
586, but there'd be no issue of cross contamination.  Trust me, that IS an 
issue.

> The Linux kernel can run on a CPU as old as a 486. You can check this
> by unpacking the most recent kernel and running 'make menuconfig'

Some versions can, that's not the issue.  The problem is that the old kernels 
have flaws, the new kernels are humongous.  The 586 is less than 1/10th the 
speed of modern CPUs, ~233MHz depending a little bit on manufacturer, and 586 
chipsets, again depending a little bit on manufacturer, only cache 64MB of RAM, 
max-out at 128MB or 256MB, IF the motherboard manufacturer designed in support 
for the maximum, which most did not.

By modern standards a 586 is a slug and tiny.

> Someone has installed Gentoo on a 486 computer. More info here:

Have you actually run one?  I have, and do.  It ain't pretty!

> > I have tried Linux Mint and the only versions that will talk to the 
> > Internet are 17.1 up to 18.3..

Don't you imagine there may be a reason for that?

> What I am running and wanting to finish on the Dell is to make it all 
> the way thru for a first time making LFS 7.10.. After You told me that 
> that code would not run on the 586, I went to plan B..

Consider the instruction sets!

> So far I have had (last night) Running on the 586, Ubuntu 4.10 and then 
> 5.10, these look better than Mint for a Host for me, I am planning on 
> trying up to Ubuntu 10.10, looking for the best match for LFS 6.XX.. 

It ain't Ubuntu-10!  You 

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Paul Rogers]

> The other problem with building firefox as 32-bit is that you may
> run out of virtual memory when linking it.

Building the contemporaneous version of Firefox will work if he builds a 
(B)LFS-6.1 system on the 586.  Beyond that he'll fall into "dependendy hell".

> I may have to build it on the Dell, that is still a ways away..

If you do it won't run on the 586.  You don't seem to understand instruction 
sets.

> > > Do You know How or if there is a way to find what Version of Foxfire I 
> > > have in like my Linux Mint 17.1 I can then download that , hopefully from 
> > > source and build it to a earlier version of Linux Mint that will boot on 
> > > the 586..

Again, you'll be wasting your time.  You'll really want to build a LFS system 
contemporaneous with the 586 hardware on the 586 hardware with a 
contemporaneous distro release.  Build LFS-6.1 on the 586.  Build the BLFS 
packages from the 6.1--there are dependencies the LFS team has worked out that 
will make the packages play well together.  You can't jus grab any old version 
of this and that and expect them all to play well together--the book tells you 
that, if you paid attention to it.

> will Load on the 586, so far 3.1, 5.0 and 7.0 Load and 17.1 doesn't 
> load, so while I am at it I will find out what version of foxfire it is 
> using.. And put it into a list, along with the other information and 
> see if that helps..

Stop that!  You're just confusing matters.  You do not need nor want a modern 
system to host building on the 586!  You want one that is contemporaneous with 
the hardware, a 20 year-old distro!

> Paul, You mentioned about foxfire 2.0.0.16 which I have downloaded, but 
> the impression I got from your posting, was that it wouldn't work to 
> gain access of the Internet, So, I don't see any reason to compile 
> that, OR did I mis-read Your Post ??

It seems to me you've misread or misunderstood all of my posts.  What was the 
internet like 20 years ago?  Do you remember Netscape?  Things have changed!  
You can't drive a horse and buggy on the Interstate Highways!  Not be cause the 
horse and buggy can't handle the concrete, assuming the horse has non-slip 
rubber horse-shoes, but because the other users and standards on the highway 
won't support you.  You'd be expected to go 60MPH.

> I currently am updating and possibly upgrading Ubuntu 4.10 on the 586, 
> it is running from the disk that I have for it, once this gets 
> completed, and I have the version numbers of the various packages, I 
> will try Ubuntu 5.10, 6.10, 7.10 up to 10.10 and see what will run..  
> But, so far it is looking good.. Once I see what work and what would be 
> the best match for LFS..

You don't seem to understand what a 586 is and is not, yet you are charging 
ahead as though it weren't a 20 year-old CPU!

> 
> Why don't we use a cross-compiler? I suggest to make a cross-compiler
> for i586-linux-gnu and use that to build the temporary system. I can
> create a guide for that.

Compiling 32-bit code on a 64-bit CPU WOULD BE a cross-compiling job, if he 
didn't have the 586 available to build with.  It may be slower compiling on the 
586, but there'd be no issue of cross contamination.  Trust me, that IS an 
issue.

> The Linux kernel can run on a CPU as old as a 486. You can check this
> by unpacking the most recent kernel and running 'make menuconfig'

Some versions can, that's not the issue.  The problem is that the old kernels 
have flaws, the new kernels are humongous.  The 586 is less than 1/10th the 
speed of modern CPUs, ~233MHz depending a little bit on manufacturer, and 586 
chipsets, again depending a little bit on manufacturer, only cache 64MB of RAM, 
max-out at 128MB or 256MB, IF the motherboard manufacturer designed in support 
for the maximum, which most did not.

By modern standards a 586 is a slug and tiny.

> Someone has installed Gentoo on a 486 computer. More info here:

Have you actually run one?  I have, and do.  It ain't pretty!

> > I have tried Linux Mint and the only versions that will talk to the 
> > Internet are 17.1 up to 18.3..

Don't you imagine there may be a reason for that?

> What I am running and wanting to finish on the Dell is to make it all 
> the way thru for a first time making LFS 7.10.. After You told me that 
> that code would not run on the 586, I went to plan B..

Consider the instruction sets!

> So far I have had (last night) Running on the 586, Ubuntu 4.10 and then 
> 5.10, these look better than Mint for a Host for me, I am planning on 
> trying up to Ubuntu 10.10, looking for the best match for LFS 6.XX.. 

It ain't Ubuntu-10!  You don't want ANY distro version released in this century!

> So far, the DVD's seem to work fine on the 586..

DVD's are not for 586 systems.  Compare the dates.  The 586 is too slow to 
provide data fast enough to write a DVD.  You'll get underruns.  There's a 
reason DVD's use 80-pin cables.  586 Motherboards only support 40-pin cables.

Remember what I wrote 

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[geist1...@juno.com]

-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 00:07:01 -0700

> Secondly, for others and not so much for You..
> I got GCC and (so far) Glibc to compile, I still need to do the check 
> to make sure it built it correctly..

I'm assuming you're still on your new DELL?  I'm afraid that test will lie to 
you.  Because your CPU has SSSEx instructions, the test will run on the Dell, 
but that code cannot run on an i586.  

In recent times I tried to build both LFS-6.1.1 for an i586 and LFS-7.2 for an 
i686, on an i7 and Core2 Duo.  The promise of building on a 4-core 
hyperthreaded 2+ GHz system is a cruel illusion.  In the end, I built both on 
the target CPU.

Yes, it is supposedly possible to have GMP build generic code.  I've tried, and 
it just wasted more time than it would have taken to build from scratch on the 
target CPU.

> That fixed my problem.. It just checked out..

On your i586, or the Dell?  How do you know it "checked out"?

> Now, Paul what do I after I have my 586 out, it has a DVD , no floppy, 
> but it could be added, I have Linux Mint all the way back to 3.X except 
> for 4.X up to Linux Mint 18.3..

Add the floppy.  Go back to a CDROM drive, I doubt an i586 can keep up with a 
DVD.  Install one of your 32-bit Mints for a host system, or use the LFS Live 
CD.  Then start installing LFS-6.{1-3} from scratch, i.e. Ch 4, on the i586.  
(Some bits of what you built on the Dell might be usable, but IMO it's just not 
worth the waste of time getting to the end and seeing it crash with an illegal 
instruction and THEN starting over.)

> I have tried Linux Mint and the only versions that will talk to the 
> Internet are 17.1 up to 18.3..

As I said, I run (B)LFS-7.2 on a 1GHz Pentium-iii Coppermine every day and it 
chokes on modern websites with lots of images and javascript.  I get a lot of 
Google javascripts that stop responding and timeout.  Don't expect an i586 and 
the Firefox-2.0.0.16 to do even that well.  A third generation Pentium-MMX runs 
at 233MHz, a tenth or less of modern CPUs.  Also, LFS-6.1 is going to be 
running a 2.6 kernel, more ot less (2.6.17 on mine), and you should think twice 
about allowing that on the internet without armed guards.

> I have no idea about building foxfire and how to do that, 

Follow the BLFS instructions.

> I will get a little further on my Dell Machine and then put it away, 
> and get out the 586..

Don't bother!  You have to throw away anything you built on the DELL.

If you're going to keep at this you'll need to put your mindset back to the 
late 90's and forget everything that happened in the last 20 years!  (Except 
how many critical security flaws have been found in the kernel and other FOSS 
since, e.g. ShellShock, HeartBleed, and Ghost.)  You'll be making a 20 year-old 
system on 20 year-old hardware, about equivalent to driving a horse and buggy 
on an Interstate Highway in a war zone!  But don't let that stop you.


-- 
Paul Rogers
paulgrog...@fastmail.fm
Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."
(I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)
--
 
First of All Thank You Paul for Your Much Help and advice..
""  Secondly, for others and not so much for You..
> I got GCC and (so far) Glibc to compile, I still need to do the check 
> to make sure it built it correctly..""
No, this ISN'T to run on the 586, but, if anyone is having trouble making it 
thru GCC and Glibc what I did may be the Answer that they may need for them to 
proceed..
 
What I am running and wanting to finish on the Dell is to make it all the way 
thru for a first time making LFS 7.10.. After You told me that that code would 
not run on the 586, I went to plan B..
 Linux Mint is only valid to run / or work on 3.1 , 5.0, 7.0 of the DVD's that 
I have..
So far I have had (last night) Running on the 586, Ubuntu 4.10 and then 5.10, 
these look better than Mint for a Host for me, I am planning on trying up to 
Ubuntu 10.10, looking for the best match for LFS 6.XX.. 
So, I an Not trying to make code on the Dell to Run on the 586, it was my 
original plan, but, You showed me the light and that, that was not the way to 
go..
So far, the DVD's seem to work fine on the 586..
So to get the LFS Book for 6.XX can I use FireFox 2.0.0.16 to download the Book 
OR do I need to copy it to a USB Stick and copy and Paste that to the 586 ??
 
"" On your i586, or the Dell?  How do you know it "checked out"? ""
That was on the Dell, where in the 7.10 book it ran some code that said the GCC 
and the Glibc code was working fine, not on the 586, sorry about the confusion..
 
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Michele Bucca]

Hello There

I've been reading this topic for a lot of time and I would like to
give some tips.

Il sab 28 set 2019, 09:07 Paul Rogers  ha scritto:
>
> > Secondly, for others and not so much for You..
> > I got GCC and (so far) Glibc to compile, I still need to do the check
> > to make sure it built it correctly..
>
> I'm assuming you're still on your new DELL?  I'm afraid that test will lie to 
> you.  Because your CPU has SSSEx instructions, the test will run on the Dell, 
> but that code cannot run on an i586.
>
> In recent times I tried to build both LFS-6.1.1 for an i586 and LFS-7.2 for 
> an i686, on an i7 and Core2 Duo.  The promise of building on a 4-core 
> hyperthreaded 2+ GHz system is a cruel illusion.  In the end, I built both on 
> the target CPU.
>
> Yes, it is supposedly possible to have GMP build generic code.  I've tried, 
> and it just wasted more time than it would have taken to build from scratch 
> on the target CPU.


Why don't we use a cross-compiler? I suggest to make a cross-compiler
for i586-linux-gnu and use that to build the temporary system. I can
create a guide for that.

> > That fixed my problem.. It just checked out..
>
> On your i586, or the Dell?  How do you know it "checked out"?
>
> > Now, Paul what do I after I have my 586 out, it has a DVD , no floppy,
> > but it could be added, I have Linux Mint all the way back to 3.X except
> > for 4.X up to Linux Mint 18.3..
>
> Add the floppy.  Go back to a CDROM drive, I doubt an i586 can keep up with a 
> DVD.  Install one of your 32-bit Mints for a host system, or use the LFS Live 
> CD.  Then start installing LFS-6.{1-3} from scratch, i.e. Ch 4, on the i586.  
> (Some bits of what you built on the Dell might be usable, but IMO it's just 
> not worth the waste of time getting to the end and seeing it crash with an 
> illegal instruction and THEN starting over.)
>
> > I have tried Linux Mint and the only versions that will talk to the
> > Internet are 17.1 up to 18.3..
>
> As I said, I run (B)LFS-7.2 on a 1GHz Pentium-iii Coppermine every day and it 
> chokes on modern websites with lots of images and javascript.  I get a lot of 
> Google javascripts that stop responding and timeout.  Don't expect an i586 
> and the Firefox-2.0.0.16 to do even that well.  A third generation 
> Pentium-MMX runs at 233MHz, a tenth or less of modern CPUs.  Also, LFS-6.1 is 
> going to be running a 2.6 kernel, more ot less (2.6.17 on mine),



The Linux kernel can run on a CPU as old as a 486. You can check this
by unpacking the most recent kernel and running 'make menuconfig'

There deselect the option "64-bit kernel", go to "Professor type and
features" and finally check "Processor Family"

Someone has installed Gentoo on a 486 computer. More info here:
http://yeokhengmeng.com/2018/01/make-the-486-great-again/

> and you should think twice about allowing that on the internet without armed 
> guards.
>
> > I have no idea about building foxfire and how to do that,
>
> Follow the BLFS instructions.
>
> > I will get a little further on my Dell Machine and then put it away,
> > and get out the 586..
>
> Don't bother!  You have to throw away anything you built on the DELL.
>
> If you're going to keep at this you'll need to put your mindset back to the 
> late 90's and forget everything that happened in the last 20 years!  (Except 
> how many critical security flaws have been found in the kernel and other FOSS 
> since, e.g. ShellShock, HeartBleed, and Ghost.)  You'll be making a 20 
> year-old system on 20 year-old hardware, about equivalent to driving a horse 
> and buggy on an Interstate Highway in a war zone!  But don't let that stop 
> you.
>
>
> --
> Paul Rogers
> paulgrog...@fastmail.fm
> Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."
> (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)
> --
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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Paul Rogers]

> Secondly, for others and not so much for You..
> I got GCC and (so far) Glibc to compile, I still need to do the check 
> to make sure it built it correctly..

I'm assuming you're still on your new DELL?  I'm afraid that test will lie to 
you.  Because your CPU has SSSEx instructions, the test will run on the Dell, 
but that code cannot run on an i586.  

In recent times I tried to build both LFS-6.1.1 for an i586 and LFS-7.2 for an 
i686, on an i7 and Core2 Duo.  The promise of building on a 4-core 
hyperthreaded 2+ GHz system is a cruel illusion.  In the end, I built both on 
the target CPU.

Yes, it is supposedly possible to have GMP build generic code.  I've tried, and 
it just wasted more time than it would have taken to build from scratch on the 
target CPU.

> That fixed my problem.. It just checked out..

On your i586, or the Dell?  How do you know it "checked out"?

> Now, Paul what do I after I have my 586 out, it has a DVD , no floppy, 
> but it could be added, I have Linux Mint all the way back to 3.X except 
> for 4.X up to Linux Mint 18.3..

Add the floppy.  Go back to a CDROM drive, I doubt an i586 can keep up with a 
DVD.  Install one of your 32-bit Mints for a host system, or use the LFS Live 
CD.  Then start installing LFS-6.{1-3} from scratch, i.e. Ch 4, on the i586.  
(Some bits of what you built on the Dell might be usable, but IMO it's just not 
worth the waste of time getting to the end and seeing it crash with an illegal 
instruction and THEN starting over.)

> I have tried Linux Mint and the only versions that will talk to the 
> Internet are 17.1 up to 18.3..

As I said, I run (B)LFS-7.2 on a 1GHz Pentium-iii Coppermine every day and it 
chokes on modern websites with lots of images and javascript.  I get a lot of 
Google javascripts that stop responding and timeout.  Don't expect an i586 and 
the Firefox-2.0.0.16 to do even that well.  A third generation Pentium-MMX runs 
at 233MHz, a tenth or less of modern CPUs.  Also, LFS-6.1 is going to be 
running a 2.6 kernel, more ot less (2.6.17 on mine), and you should think twice 
about allowing that on the internet without armed guards.

> I have no idea about building foxfire and how to do that, 

Follow the BLFS instructions.

> I will get a little further on my Dell Machine and then put it away, 
> and get out the 586..

Don't bother!  You have to throw away anything you built on the DELL.

If you're going to keep at this you'll need to put your mindset back to the 
late 90's and forget everything that happened in the last 20 years!  (Except 
how many critical security flaws have been found in the kernel and other FOSS 
since, e.g. ShellShock, HeartBleed, and Ghost.)  You'll be making a 20 year-old 
system on 20 year-old hardware, about equivalent to driving a horse and buggy 
on an Interstate Highway in a war zone!  But don't let that stop you.


-- 
Paul Rogers
paulgrog...@fastmail.fm
Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."
(I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)
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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[geist1...@juno.com]

-- Original Message --
From: "geist1...@juno.com" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 23:12:08 GMT




-- Original Message --
From: Ken Moffat 
To: LFS Support List 
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 23:44:51 +0100

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 09:53:09PM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 12:20:27PM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
> > 
> > Do You know How or if there is a way to find what Version of Foxfire I have 
> > in like my Linux Mint 17.1 I can then download that , hopefully from source 
> > and build it to a earlier version of Linux Mint that will boot on the 586..
> >  
> 
> 'firefox --version' : For recent versions, you have to run that
> command as a regular user.
> 
> The other problem with building firefox as 32-bit is that you may
> run out of virtual memory when linking it.
> 
> øen
> --
>  
> Hi All;
> Ken, I tried it in terminal mode and it said "foxfire: command not found"..
>  
Either you cannot type, which is fair enough (I too mistype a lot),
or you are not running that browser.  If you are running it on mint,
and have a menu (that became optional in the preferences at some
point, and off by default) you might also try
 Help -> About firefox

Hint: I'm not aware of a browser called foxfire.

ĸen
--Hi Ken;
 
I found what I was looking for, I am not sure "how" but, I found that Linux 
Mint 18.3 is using Foxfire 69.0.1..
 
I have downloaded foxfire 11,21,31,41,51 and 69 source files..
I am also going to finish uploading Linux Mint to see the range of what will 
Load on the 586, so far 3.1, 5.0 and 7.0 Load and 17.1 doesn't load, so while I 
am at it I will find out what version of foxfire it is using.. And put it into 
a list, along with the other information and see if that helps..
THANK YOU Marty
 
Paul, You mentioned about foxfire 2.0.0.16 which I have downloaded, but the 
impression I got from your posting, was that it wouldn't work to gain access of 
the Internet, So, I don't see any reason to compile that, OR did I mis-read 
Your Post ??
THANK YOU Marty
 
Hi all;
 
I currently am updating and possibly upgrading Ubuntu 4.10 on the 586, it is 
running from the disk that I have for it, once this gets completed, and I have 
the version numbers of the various packages, I will try Ubuntu 5.10, 6.10, 7.10 
up to 10.10 and see what will run..  But, so far it is looking good.. Once I 
see what work and what would be the best match for LFS..
 
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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From: Ken Moffat 
To: LFS Support List 
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 23:44:51 +0100

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 09:53:09PM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 12:20:27PM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
> > 
> > Do You know How or if there is a way to find what Version of Foxfire I have 
> > in like my Linux Mint 17.1 I can then download that , hopefully from source 
> > and build it to a earlier version of Linux Mint that will boot on the 586..
> >  
> 
> 'firefox --version' : For recent versions, you have to run that
> command as a regular user.
> 
> The other problem with building firefox as 32-bit is that you may
> run out of virtual memory when linking it.
> 
> øen
> --
>  
> Hi All;
> Ken, I tried it in terminal mode and it said "foxfire: command not found"..
>  
Either you cannot type, which is fair enough (I too mistype a lot),
or you are not running that browser.  If you are running it on mint,
and have a menu (that became optional in the preferences at some
point, and off by default) you might also try
 Help -> About firefox

Hint: I'm not aware of a browser called foxfire.

ĸen
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I found what I was looking for, I am not sure "how" but, I found that Linux 
Mint 18.3 is using Foxfire 69.0.1..
 
I have downloaded foxfire 11,21,31,41,51 and 69 source files..
I am also going to finish uploading Linux Mint to see the range of what will 
Load on the 586, so far 3.1, 5.0 and 7.0 Load and 17.1 doesn't load, so while I 
am at it I will find out what version of foxfire it is using.. And put it into 
a list, along with the other information and see if that helps..
THANK YOU Marty
 
Paul, You mentioned about foxfire 2.0.0.16 which I have downloaded, but the 
impression I got from your posting, was that it wouldn't work to gain access of 
the Internet, So, I don't see any reason to compile that, OR did I mis-read 
Your Post ??
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 09:53:09PM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 12:20:27PM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
> > 
> > Do You know How or if there is a way to find what Version of Foxfire I have 
> > in like my Linux Mint 17.1 I can then download that , hopefully from source 
> > and build it to a earlier version of Linux Mint that will boot on the 586..
> >  
> 
> 'firefox --version' : For recent versions, you have to run that
> command as a regular user.
> 
> The other problem with building firefox as 32-bit is that you may
> run out of virtual memory when linking it.
> 
> ĸen
> --
>  
> Hi All;
> Ken, I tried it in terminal mode and it said "foxfire: command not found"..
>  
Either you cannot type, which is fair enough (I too mistype a lot),
or you are not running that browser.  If you are running it on mint,
and have a menu (that became optional in the preferences at some
point, and off by default) you might also try
 Help -> About firefox

Hint: I'm not aware of a browser called foxfire.

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 19:09:31 +0100

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 12:20:27PM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
> 
> Do You know How or if there is a way to find what Version of Foxfire I have 
> in like my Linux Mint 17.1 I can then download that , hopefully from source 
> and build it to a earlier version of Linux Mint that will boot on the 586..
>  

'firefox --version' : For recent versions, you have to run that
command as a regular user.

The other problem with building firefox as 32-bit is that you may
run out of virtual memory when linking it.

ĸen
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Hi All;
Ken, I tried it in terminal mode and it said "foxfire: command not found"..
 
The other problem with building firefox as 32-bit is that you may
run out of virtual memory when linking it.
 
I may have to build it on the Dell, that is still a ways away..
 
Thank You for Your prompt Answer..
 
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 12:20:27PM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
> 
> Do You know How or if there is a way to find what Version of Foxfire I have 
> in like my Linux Mint 17.1 I can then download that , hopefully from source 
> and build it to a earlier version of Linux Mint that will boot on the 586..
>  

'firefox --version' : For recent versions, you have to run that
command as a regular user.

The other problem with building firefox as 32-bit is that you may
run out of virtual memory when linking it.

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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From: Ken Moffat 
To: LFS Support List 
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 05:01:16 +0100

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 02:46:34AM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
> 
> The Foxfire file is next..
>  
https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/

For building from source, get the source (that might be "fun"
without a working mozconfig for that version).  On i686 you could
probably use the i686 binary from that site (and therefore a recent
version), but not on i586.

ĸen
 
Thank You Ken, for the Link, I had found it last night, but, I didn't save the 
Link, which I just did..
 
Do You know How or if there is a way to find what Version of Foxfire I have in 
like my Linux Mint 17.1 I can then download that , hopefully from source and 
build it to a earlier version of Linux Mint that will boot on the 586..
 
Paul, I got both of the LiveLFS disks to boot.. I don't know How to use them, 
but, they boot..
 
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 02:46:34AM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
> 
> The Foxfire file is next..
>  
https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/

For building from source, get the source (that might be "fun"
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probably use the i686 binary from that site (and therefore a recent
version), but not on i586.

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 15:32:57 -0700

First some corrections, then suggestions from one who knows.

> Is there a reason to build "Linux From Scratch 7.10 pdf"

Yes, he's going to run it on a 586!

> Version 9.0 stable is out now, also using a PDF is not good, the html 
> version is the 1 to use

Not for a 20 year-old CPU, chipset, and hardware of the time.  You do remember 
all i386 support has been stripped from the kernel, don't you?  He's doing the 
right thing, almost.

> > Will LFS ver 9.0 produce 32 bit files like the earlier versions, I 
> > thought that it might only have 64 bit..
> >
> 
> I think 9.0 still runs on 32 bit machine (I've built it recently on a 32 
> bit VM, apparently with no problems up to now).

He's going to have severe headaches with GMP!

> I didn't notice you had been using 7.10 from about 3 years ago
> (trying to read the long single lines from your webmail is hard).
> And we've forgotten all the specifics of that old release.

Not exactly!  I still maintain it.  Run it on a Coppermine daily.  7.7 even!  
;)  But I suggest he fall back to LFS-6.1.  That's what I used for my 586 
build.  7.x would be a real "heavy lift" for a 586.


Now, here's what to do.  Stop trying to build it on your modern DELL system!  
As mentioned, GMP will compile code using SSSE-x instructions and they'll blow 
up on your 586.  Nothing will run.  Persuading GMP it's wrong isn't easy or 
certain.  Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, went back to build on the 
sort of system it's intended to run on.  Use the 586!  Find an old compatible 
distro for your host--maybe get the old LFS-LIVE CD.  Yes, the 586 will work 
hard to do it.  Compiling X will be a 12hrs overnight job!  Firefox, 10hrs more 
or less, will have to be v2.0.0.16 at best, and it won't be able to handle 
modern websites, but you knew that.  But when you're done it will run.

Hi Paul;
 
I got Linux From Scratch Live CD version 6.2.5, the oldest that I could find 
and 6.3 which I am burning right now..
 
The Foxfire file is next..
 
THANK YOU Marty
 

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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From: "geist1...@juno.com" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 23:25:13 GMT




-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 15:32:57 -0700

First some corrections, then suggestions from one who knows.

> Is there a reason to build "Linux From Scratch 7.10 pdf"

Yes, he's going to run it on a 586!

> Version 9.0 stable is out now, also using a PDF is not good, the html 
> version is the 1 to use

Not for a 20 year-old CPU, chipset, and hardware of the time.  You do remember 
all i386 support has been stripped from the kernel, don't you?  He's doing the 
right thing, almost.

> > Will LFS ver 9.0 produce 32 bit files like the earlier versions, I 
> > thought that it might only have 64 bit..
> >
> 
> I think 9.0 still runs on 32 bit machine (I've built it recently on a 32 
> bit VM, apparently with no problems up to now).

He's going to have severe headaches with GMP!

> I didn't notice you had been using 7.10 from about 3 years ago
> (trying to read the long single lines from your webmail is hard).
> And we've forgotten all the specifics of that old release.

Not exactly!  I still maintain it.  Run it on a Coppermine daily.  7.7 even!  
;)  But I suggest he fall back to LFS-6.1.  That's what I used for my 586 
build.  7.x would be a real "heavy lift" for a 586.


Now, here's what to do.  Stop trying to build it on your modern DELL system!  
As mentioned, GMP will compile code using SSSE-x instructions and they'll blow 
up on your 586.  Nothing will run.  Persuading GMP it's wrong isn't easy or 
certain.  Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, went back to build on the 
sort of system it's intended to run on.  Use the 586!  Find an old compatible 
distro for your host--maybe get the old LFS-LIVE CD.  Yes, the 586 will work 
hard to do it.  Compiling X will be a 12hrs overnight job!  Firefox, 10hrs more 
or less, will have to be v2.0.0.16 at best, and it won't be able to handle 
modern websites, but you knew that.  But when you're done it will run.

Hi All; 
First, Paul, Thank You for Your Great Reply..
I know I will need some more hand holding as to what exactly I need to do..
Secondly, for others and not so much for You..
I got GCC and (so far) Glibc to compile, I still need to do the check to make 
sure it built it correctly..
What I did was two things, first I changed a line of code from the Book, per 
someone on the internet, from chown -v $lfs/ tools to chown -v -R lfs:lfs 
$lfs/tools and did the same for the /source file.. Next I ran 
./contrib/download_prerequisites in the GCC-6.2.0 file..
That fixed my problem.. It just checked out..
So, If others have this same problem -- this is the solution..
 
Now, Paul what do I after I have my 586 out, it has a DVD , no floppy, but it 
could be added, I have Linux Mint all the way back to 3.X except for 4.X up to 
Linux Mint 18.3..
I have tried Linux Mint and the only versions that will talk to the Internet 
are 17.1 up to 18.3..
It has Ethernet, for uploading..
I have no idea about building foxfire and how to do that, I will look for 
LFS-Live which version should I try to find ??
I will look for foxfire v2.0.0.16 and see about uploading it.. (Is this correct 
?)
I will get a little further on my Dell Machine and then put it away, and get 
out the 586..
THANK YOU Marty
 
Hi All;
 
Paul, I see that I need LFS 6.1, I will get it and put it onto a DVD..
 
THANK YOU Marty

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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From: "Paul Rogers" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 15:32:57 -0700

First some corrections, then suggestions from one who knows.

> Is there a reason to build "Linux From Scratch 7.10 pdf"

Yes, he's going to run it on a 586!

> Version 9.0 stable is out now, also using a PDF is not good, the html 
> version is the 1 to use

Not for a 20 year-old CPU, chipset, and hardware of the time.  You do remember 
all i386 support has been stripped from the kernel, don't you?  He's doing the 
right thing, almost.

> > Will LFS ver 9.0 produce 32 bit files like the earlier versions, I 
> > thought that it might only have 64 bit..
> >
> 
> I think 9.0 still runs on 32 bit machine (I've built it recently on a 32 
> bit VM, apparently with no problems up to now).

He's going to have severe headaches with GMP!

> I didn't notice you had been using 7.10 from about 3 years ago
> (trying to read the long single lines from your webmail is hard).
> And we've forgotten all the specifics of that old release.

Not exactly!  I still maintain it.  Run it on a Coppermine daily.  7.7 even!  
;)  But I suggest he fall back to LFS-6.1.  That's what I used for my 586 
build.  7.x would be a real "heavy lift" for a 586.


Now, here's what to do.  Stop trying to build it on your modern DELL system!  
As mentioned, GMP will compile code using SSSE-x instructions and they'll blow 
up on your 586.  Nothing will run.  Persuading GMP it's wrong isn't easy or 
certain.  Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, went back to build on the 
sort of system it's intended to run on.  Use the 586!  Find an old compatible 
distro for your host--maybe get the old LFS-LIVE CD.  Yes, the 586 will work 
hard to do it.  Compiling X will be a 12hrs overnight job!  Firefox, 10hrs more 
or less, will have to be v2.0.0.16 at best, and it won't be able to handle 
modern websites, but you knew that.  But when you're done it will run.

Hi All;
 
First, Paul, Thank You for Your Great Reply..
I know I will need some more hand holding as to what exactly I need to do..
Secondly, for others and not so much for You..
I got GCC and (so far) Glibc to compile, I still need to do the check to make 
sure it built it correctly..
What I did was two things, first I changed a line of code from the Book, per 
someone on the internet, from chown -v $lfs/ tools to chown -v -R lfs:lfs 
$lfs/tools and did the same for the /source file.. Next I ran 
./contrib/download_prerequisites in the GCC-6.2.0 file..
That fixed my problem.. It just checked out..
So, If others have this same problem -- this is the solution..
 
Now, Paul what do I after I have my 586 out, it has a DVD , no floppy, but it 
could be added, I have Linux Mint all the way back to 3.X except for 4.X up to 
Linux Mint 18.3..
I have tried Linux Mint and the only versions that will talk to the Internet 
are 17.1 up to 18.3..
It has Ethernet, for uploading..
I have no idea about building foxfire and how to do that, I will look for 
LFS-Live which version should I try to find ??
I will look for foxfire v2.0.0.16 and see about uploading it.. (Is this correct 
?)
I will get a little further on my Dell Machine and then put it away, and get 
out the 586..
THANK YOU Marty
 

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Paul Rogers]

First some corrections, then suggestions from one who knows.

> Is there a reason to build "Linux From Scratch 7.10 pdf"

Yes, he's going to run it on a 586!

> Version 9.0 stable is out now, also using a PDF is not good, the html 
> version is the 1 to use

Not for a 20 year-old CPU, chipset, and hardware of the time.  You do remember 
all i386 support has been stripped from the kernel, don't you?  He's doing the 
right thing, almost.

> > Will LFS ver 9.0 produce 32 bit files like the earlier versions, I 
> > thought that it might only have 64 bit..
> >
> 
> I think 9.0 still runs on 32 bit machine (I've built it recently on a 32 
> bit VM, apparently with no problems up to now).

He's going to have severe headaches with GMP!

> I didn't notice you had been using 7.10 from about 3 years ago
> (trying to read the long single lines from your webmail is hard).
> And we've forgotten all the specifics of that old release.

Not exactly!  I still maintain it.  Run it on a Coppermine daily.  7.7 even!  
;)  But I suggest he fall back to LFS-6.1.  That's what I used for my 586 
build.  7.x would be a real "heavy lift" for a 586.


Now, here's what to do.  Stop trying to build it on your modern DELL system!  
As mentioned, GMP will compile code using SSSE-x instructions and they'll blow 
up on your 586.  Nothing will run.  Persuading GMP it's wrong isn't easy or 
certain.  Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, went back to build on the 
sort of system it's intended to run on.  Use the 586!  Find an old compatible 
distro for your host--maybe get the old LFS-LIVE CD.  Yes, the 586 will work 
hard to do it.  Compiling X will be a 12hrs overnight job!  Firefox, 10hrs more 
or less, will have to be v2.0.0.16 at best, and it won't be able to handle 
modern websites, but you knew that.  But when you're done it will run.


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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

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From: spiky 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 15:37:07 +0100


 
On 26/09/2019 01:52, geist1...@juno.com wrote:Hi All;Â I have been trying to 
Compile 32 bit GCC, phase 1, for a few weeks, and I have looked for answers on 
the internet, and tried everything that I could find that might help me..Some 
History and background..My Host is a Dell Dual Core 3.0 GHZ machine, I am 
running Linux Mint 18.3, but, before this I tried Linux Mint 17.1 and 17.3.. 
Earlier versions wouldn't work on the internet..The error shows -- checking for 
suffix of object files... configure error in 
/mnt/lfs/sources/gcc-6.20/build/i686-lfs-linux-gnu-libgccconfigure error cannot 
compute suffix of object files cannot compile ...in my Log file it shows -- 
xgcc error unrecognized command line option -V. xgcc fatal error  no input 
file compilation terminated..I have been trying to make Linux From Scratch 7.10 
pdf..It Always fails when in the Libgcc section.. The reason for the 32 bit, 
is that once I get one LFS built (32 bit mode), I want to get it to run on my 
586, almost like Kernotex did with His 486 machine, which is what got me back 
into trying to build LFS again.. I want to run it on my 586.. And Yes, I know 
how Slow that would be..THANK YOU MartyAlso dose the version check script pass?
 
Hi All;
 
Spiky, Yes it Passes the Version Check..
 
Also, just before I had to leave this morning, found out how to do a dependency 
check, which I will do after I take my Dog for His walk..
I will let You know how it affects what the final results are on the build..
THANK YOU Marty 

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Ken Moffat]

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 01:02:18PM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
> 
> Hi All;
> Thank You, Ken and Spiky for Your Responses..
> I have tried lately using LFS 8.4 and it produces the same result..
> As for the 7.10 Pdf file, I have my Terminal on one half of the screen and 
> the PDF file for let's say version 7.10 on the other side of the screen and I 
> Copy and Paste from one to the other..
> Will a HTML file show up on the screen like my PDF does, so I can copy and 
> Paste ??
> Will LFS ver 9.0 produce 32 bit files like the earlier versions, I thought 
> that it might only have 64 bit..
> THANK YOU Marty 

I didn't notice you had been using 7.10 from about 3 years ago
(trying to read the long single lines from your webmail is hard).
And we've forgotten all the specifics of that old release.

But 8.4 should be new enough for the book's host system requirements
to cover what has been learned from build failures in the past few
releases.

However, I suggest that you look at the config.log files as I
mentioned earlier, and find why the error message was produced.
That will either indicate that your process is wrong (typo
somewhere, or maybe omitted something), or else that something on
the host system is inadequate.

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[spiky]

On 26/09/2019 01:52, geist1...@juno.com wrote:

Hi All;
I have been trying to Compile 32 bit GCC, phase 1, for a few weeks, 
and I have looked for answers on the internet, and tried everything 
that I could find that might help me..

Some History and background..
My Host is a Dell Dual Core 3.0 GHZ machine, I am running Linux Mint 
18.3, but, before this I tried Linux Mint 17.1 and 17.3.. Earlier 
versions wouldn't work on the internet..
The error shows -- checking for suffix of object files... configure 
error in /mnt/lfs/sources/gcc-6.20/build/i686-lfs-linux-gnu-libgcc

configure error cannot compute suffix of object files cannot compile ...
in my Log file it shows -- xgcc error unrecognized command line option 
-V..

... xgcc fatal error  no input file compilation terminated..
I have been trying to make Linux From Scratch 7.10 pdf..
It Always fails when in the Libgcc section..
The reason for the 32 bit, is that once I get one LFS built (32 bit 
mode), I want to get it to run on my 586, almost like Kernotex did 
with His 486 machine, which is what got me back into trying to build 
LFS again.. I want to run it on my 586.. And Yes, I know how Slow that 
would be..

THANK YOU Marty

*Also dose the version check script pass?*
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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Pierre Labastie]

On 26/09/2019 15:02, geist1...@juno.com wrote:


Hi All;

Thank You, Ken and Spiky for Your Responses..

I have tried lately using LFS 8.4 and it produces the same result..

As for the 7.10 Pdf file, I have my Terminal on one half of the screen 
and the PDF file for let's say version 7.10 on the other side of the 
screen and I Copy and Paste from one to the other..


Will a HTML file show up on the screen like my PDF does, so I can copy 
and Paste ??




Your browser can display a html file (use the url 
file:///path/to/file.html) in the same way as your pdf reader displays a 
pdf file...

And copy-paste is more reliable from html than from pdf...

Will LFS ver 9.0 produce 32 bit files like the earlier versions, I 
thought that it might only have 64 bit..




I think 9.0 still runs on 32 bit machine (I've built it recently on a 32 
bit VM, apparently with no problems up to now).


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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[geist1...@juno.com]

-- Original Message --
From: "geist1...@juno.com" 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 13:02:18 GMT




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From: spiky 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 08:51:04 +0100

 
On 26/09/2019 01:52, geist1...@juno.com wrote:Hi All;Â I have been trying to 
Compile 32 bit GCC, phase 1, for a few weeks, and I have looked for answers on 
the internet, and tried everything that I could find that might help me..Some 
History and background..My Host is a Dell Dual Core 3.0 GHZ machine, I am 
running Linux Mint 18.3, but, before this I tried Linux Mint 17.1 and 17.3.. 
Earlier versions wouldn't work on the internet..The error shows -- checking for 
suffix of object files... configure error in 
/mnt/lfs/sources/gcc-6.20/build/i686-lfs-linux-gnu-libgccconfigure error cannot 
compute suffix of object files cannot compile ...in my Log file it shows -- 
xgcc error unrecognized command line option -V. xgcc fatal error  no input 
file compilation terminated..I have been trying to make Linux From Scratch 7.10 
pdf..It Always fails when in the Libgcc section.. The reason for the 32 bit, 
is that once I get one LFS built (32 bit mode), I want to get it to run on my 
586, almost like Kernotex did with His 486 machine, which is what got me back 
into trying to build LFS again.. I want to run it on my 586.. And Yes, I know 
how Slow that would be..THANK YOU Marty
 
 
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 Hi
Is there a reason to build "Linux From Scratch 7.10 pdf"
Version 9.0 stable is out now, also using a PDF is not good, the html version 
is the 1 to use
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/
 
Hi All;
Thank You, Ken and Spiky for Your Responses..
I have tried lately using LFS 8.4 and it produces the same result..
As for the 7.10 Pdf file, I have my Terminal on one half of the screen and the 
PDF file for let's say version 7.10 on the other side of the screen and I Copy 
and Paste from one to the other..
Will a HTML file show up on the screen like my PDF does, so I can copy and 
Paste ??
Will LFS ver 9.0 produce 32 bit files like the earlier versions, I thought that 
it might only have 64 bit..
THANK YOU Marty 

Hi All;
Also, with my using Linux Mint 18.3, I am not sure that I can go too much newer 
on my LFS version, since it then would be newer than my version of Mint, and I 
am not sure that it would then cause other problems, with the build..
As far as I can see Spiky the link that You sent me is almost the same as what 
I am using, except for some of the Package Versions, in LFS 9.0 they would be 
newer.. But, where I am in the build process at present they are not that much 
different..
THANK YOU Marty
 
THANK YOU Marty


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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[geist1...@juno.com]

-- Original Message --
From: spiky 
To: lfs-support@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 08:51:04 +0100


 
On 26/09/2019 01:52, geist1...@juno.com wrote:Hi All;Â I have been trying to 
Compile 32 bit GCC, phase 1, for a few weeks, and I have looked for answers on 
the internet, and tried everything that I could find that might help me..Some 
History and background..My Host is a Dell Dual Core 3.0 GHZ machine, I am 
running Linux Mint 18.3, but, before this I tried Linux Mint 17.1 and 17.3.. 
Earlier versions wouldn't work on the internet..The error shows -- checking for 
suffix of object files... configure error in 
/mnt/lfs/sources/gcc-6.20/build/i686-lfs-linux-gnu-libgccconfigure error cannot 
compute suffix of object files cannot compile ...in my Log file it shows -- 
xgcc error unrecognized command line option -V. xgcc fatal error  no input 
file compilation terminated..I have been trying to make Linux From Scratch 7.10 
pdf..It Always fails when in the Libgcc section.. The reason for the 32 bit, 
is that once I get one LFS built (32 bit mode), I want to get it to run on my 
586, almost like Kernotex did with His 486 machine, which is what got me back 
into trying to build LFS again.. I want to run it on my 586.. And Yes, I know 
how Slow that would be..THANK YOU Marty
 
 
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  Hi
Is there a reason to build "Linux From Scratch 7.10 pdf"
Version 9.0 stable is out now, also using a PDF is not good, the html version 
is the 1 to use
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/
 
Hi All;
Thank You, Ken and Spiky for Your Responses..
I have tried lately using LFS 8.4 and it produces the same result..
As for the 7.10 Pdf file, I have my Terminal on one half of the screen and the 
PDF file for let's say version 7.10 on the other side of the screen and I Copy 
and Paste from one to the other..
Will a HTML file show up on the screen like my PDF does, so I can copy and 
Paste ??
Will LFS ver 9.0 produce 32 bit files like the earlier versions, I thought that 
it might only have 64 bit..
THANK YOU Marty 

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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[spiky]

On 26/09/2019 01:52, geist1...@juno.com wrote:

Hi All;
I have been trying to Compile 32 bit GCC, phase 1, for a few weeks, 
and I have looked for answers on the internet, and tried everything 
that I could find that might help me..

Some History and background..
My Host is a Dell Dual Core 3.0 GHZ machine, I am running Linux Mint 
18.3, but, before this I tried Linux Mint 17.1 and 17.3.. Earlier 
versions wouldn't work on the internet..
The error shows -- checking for suffix of object files... configure 
error in /mnt/lfs/sources/gcc-6.20/build/i686-lfs-linux-gnu-libgcc

configure error cannot compute suffix of object files cannot compile ...
in my Log file it shows -- xgcc error unrecognized command line option 
-V..

... xgcc fatal error  no input file compilation terminated..
I have been trying to make Linux From Scratch 7.10 pdf..
It Always fails when in the Libgcc section..
The reason for the 32 bit, is that once I get one LFS built (32 bit 
mode), I want to get it to run on my 586, almost like Kernotex did 
with His 486 machine, which is what got me back into trying to build 
LFS again.. I want to run it on my 586.. And Yes, I know how Slow that 
would be..

THANK YOU Marty



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Version 9.0 stable is out now, also using a PDF is not good, the html 
version is the 1 to use


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Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[Ken Moffat]

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 12:52:01AM +, geist1...@juno.com wrote:
> Hi All; I have been trying to Compile 32 bit GCC, phase 1, for a few weeks, 
> and I have looked for answers on the internet, and tried everything that I 
> could find that might help me..Some History and background..My Host is a Dell 
> Dual Core 3.0 GHZ machine, I am running Linux Mint 18.3, but, before this I 
> tried Linux Mint 17.1 and 17.3.. Earlier versions wouldn't work on the 
> internet..The error shows -- checking for suffix of object files... configure 
> error in /mnt/lfs/sources/gcc-6.20/build/i686-lfs-linux-gnu-libgccconfigure 
> error cannot compute suffix of object files cannot compile ...in my Log file 
> it shows -- xgcc error unrecognized command line option -V. xgcc fatal 
> error  no input file compilation terminated..I have been trying to make Linux 
> From Scratch 7.10 pdf..It Always fails when in the Libgcc section.. The 
> reason for the 32 bit, is that once I get one LFS built (32 bit mode), I want 
> to get it to run on my 586, almost like Kernotex did with His 486 machine, 
> which is what got me back into trying to build LFS again.. I want to run it 
> on my 586.. And Yes, I know how Slow that would be..THANK YOU Marty

Hi Marty,

GCC (and also binutils) runs configure in multiple directories, so
you need to find the newest config.log.

From what you show above, perhaps in the libgcc directory (if there
is one).

The message 'error unrecognized command line option -V' is perfectly
normal and might be produced by each configure invocation.

If you have multiple config.log files from gcc, grep for 'cannot
compute suffix of object files' in each of them.  For whichever
config.log matches this, look at it in vim (or else in less), search
for that string, and then look at the lines around it.

I no-longer recall the details of the contents of config.log, but I
think you should first see 'checking for suffix of object files',
followed by the construction of a program fragment to test, the
invocation of that fragment, any error messages from trying to run
it, and then the 'cannot compute' message which results from the
failure.

The actual error message is important - perhaps a failure in gcc
itself (e.g. missing include file) or a failure in ld (e.g. missing
library).

This is a critical failure, so after that the attempt to run
configure stops (but it will dump any state into config.log, so the
error message is not usually the last thing in that config.log).

Among things which might cause this are missing host libraries, or
perhaps inconsistencies/errors in the environment (sections 2.2 amd
4.4).

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[lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

[geist1...@juno.com]

Hi All; I have been trying to Compile 32 bit GCC, phase 1, for a few weeks, and 
I have looked for answers on the internet, and tried everything that I could 
find that might help me..Some History and background..My Host is a Dell Dual 
Core 3.0 GHZ machine, I am running Linux Mint 18.3, but, before this I tried 
Linux Mint 17.1 and 17.3.. Earlier versions wouldn't work on the internet..The 
error shows -- checking for suffix of object files... configure error in 
/mnt/lfs/sources/gcc-6.20/build/i686-lfs-linux-gnu-libgccconfigure error cannot 
compute suffix of object files cannot compile ...in my Log file it shows -- 
xgcc error unrecognized command line option -V. xgcc fatal error  no input 
file compilation terminated..I have been trying to make Linux From Scratch 7.10 
pdf..It Always fails when in the Libgcc section.. The reason for the 32 bit, is 
that once I get one LFS built (32 bit mode), I want to get it to run on my 586, 
almost like Kernotex did with His 486 machine, which is what got me back into 
trying to build LFS again.. I want to run it on my 586.. And Yes, I know how 
Slow that would be..THANK YOU Marty

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