[LUTE] Re: tone colour echo

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

   a nice example for tone colour (echo) in higher register is:
   Che debo far che me consegli amore
   BSB Mus. ms. 267 No. 32
   (Marco dall Aquila?)
   greetings
   Wolfgang

   http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00032067/images/index.h
   tml?id=00032067=79=193.174.98.30=%2F=150%25

   p.s. I made a transcription in french Tab some years ago, if some one
   is interested




   Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Januar 2018 um 15:46 Uhr
   Von: "Joachim Lüdtke" 
   An: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" 
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: tone colour echo
   Nor do I, but Brown records two later editions. It may be interesting
   (at least for someone who is fascinated by the music and the history of
   its editions) to compare the texts. Years ago I copied the piece from
   the CNRS edition, which should be based on the earliest known
   publication, that is on 1554[6]. If I wasn't out of my mind while
   copying the music, there are several measures where you would have to
   pick the final note in cadences from the octave string of the third
   course. Later I saw the piece in one of the later prints, and all this
   fine play with octave strings and resulting sonorities, which to me
   seemed so perfectly matched the way De Rippe intavolated the echos of
   the chanson, was edited out ... I have however never investigated much
   time into this, and it may even be that the piece is full of errors in
   1554[6] or the copy the CNRS editors where working from, and that all
   ideas of mine about fine play, octave strings and sonorities are
   nonsense ...
   Best
   Joachim
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   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: tone colour echo
   Datum: 2018-01-30T14:00:09+0100
   Von: "Rainer" 
   An: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" 
   Looks like I don't have that book (Brown 1554[6]) - g
   Rainer
   On 30.01.2018 11:58, Joachim Lüdtke wrote:
   > Dear Rainer,
   >
   > De Rippe's intavolation of Gentian's "Dieu qui conduit" ("L'Eccho").
   >
   > Best
   >
   > Joachim
   >
   >
   > -Original-Nachricht-
   > Betreff: [LUTE] tone colour echo
   > Datum: 2018-01-30T11:45:30+0100
   > Von: "Rainer" 
   > An: "Lute net" 
   >
   > Dear lute netters,
   >
   > I may have posted this may years ago already - I don't remember.
   >
   > In the duet treble "Sellinger's Round" (Marsh, p. 182 and Dd.3.18, f.
   5r) there is a tone colour echo in bars 57 and 58 - the same notes on
   different courses.
   >
   > I wonder if anybody knows of any other such echo in Renaissance lute
   music.
   >
   > By the way, it is tempting to play a similar echo on bars 53 and 54.
   >
   > Rainer
   >
   >
   >
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[LUTE] Gorzanis 1567

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

   Gorzanis, Giacomo: Tänze und Napolitanen - BSB Mus.ms. 1511 a [1567]

   [1]http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/…/0…/bsb00104621/images/
   cordial greetings
   w.

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[LUTE] Re: Holbein

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

   Hello Martin,
   try this one and zom in!
   greetings
   Wolfgang W.
   https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/asset-viewer/the-ambassadors/b
   QEWbLB26MG1LA?hlTH=art-project

   Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. September 2015 um 11:59 Uhr
   Von: "Martin Shepherd" 
   An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Betreff: [LUTE] Holbein
   Hi All,
   Does anyone have a highish resolution JPG of the Holbein "Ambassadors"
   lute they'd be willing to send me? It doesn't need to be the whole
   painting, just the lute.
   I thought I had one somewhere, but it seems to have disappeared into
   the digital ether.
   Thanks,
   Martin
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[LUTE] Re: Neusidler

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

   Carsten Timpe edited 12 german dances in french tab. you can get them
   from tree-edition.
   http://www.tree-edition.com
   Neusidler, Melchior 12 German dances (with their Hupffauff) Timpe,
   Carsten Ren. Lute French 25,00 EUR

   Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Februar 2015 um 05:15 Uhr
   Von: Daniel F. Heiman heiman.dan...@juno.com
   An: 'Dan Winheld' dwinh...@lmi.net, 'sterling price'
   spiffys84...@yahoo.com, 'Lutelist Net' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Neusidler
   I should correct this to say that there are several links there to his
   1574
   publication in German tablature and to both the Primo libro and secondo
   libro from 1566 in Italian tablature.
   Jason Kortis has been kind enough to transcribe the whole Primo libro
   into
   Fronimo format so you can print it out in whichever format you wish.
   That
   is here:
   [1]https://xa.yimg.com/df/Fronimo_editor/M.+Newsidler+Libro+Primo+1566.
   zip
   Regards,
   Daniel Heiman
   -Original Message-
   From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
   Behalf
   Of Daniel F. Heiman
   Sent: 18 February, 2015 21:48
   To: 'Dan Winheld'; 'sterling price'; 'Lutelist Net'
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Neusidler
   Dan:
   There are several places you can download digital facsimiles of
   Melchior
   Neusidler's publications in German tablature. There are links on the
   Digital Facsimiles page of the LSA site:
   [2]http://bit.ly/KWa5XB
   Regards.
   Daniel
   -Original Message-
   From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
   Behalf
   Of Dan Winheld
   Sent: 18 February, 2015 19:20
   To: sterling price; Lutelist Net
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Neusidler
   Me too- but I would take German tab. rather than nothing at all.
   More thanks-
   Dan
   On 2/18/2015 4:34 PM, sterling price wrote:
Hi--I am looking for a version of the Teutch Lautenbuch of Melchior
Neusidler that is in something other than German Tab. Or do I need to
go ahead and try to learn to read German Tab?
Thanks all,
Sterling
   
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[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

   not dirt! it's patina!

   Gesendet: Montag, 28. Juli 2014 um 15:21 Uhr
   Von: Matthew Daillie dail...@club-internet.fr
   An: Herbert Ward wa...@physics.utexas.edu
   Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.
   This is inevitable and is part of the life of the lute. The more worn
   it is, the more it shows you've been practicing! After a few years, the
   soundboards of the instruments of some professional players can look as
   though they are going to develop a hole where the little finger rests,
   but I've never seen that actually happen.
   If you wash your hands before you play and keep the fingernail of your
   little finger short, then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. I
   wouldn't attempt to try any sort of patching of the finish, it will
   probably just make things worse. If the soundboard is dirty you can try
   using a plastic (not rubber) eraser but you have to be very careful not
   to apply any pressure and to go along the grain of the wood.
   In time you probably won't even notice that there is a mark where your
   little finger rests and if you do, you might actually grow to like it!.
   Best,
   Matthew
   On 27 juil. 2014, at 22:51, Herbert Ward wa...@physics.utexas.edu
   wrote:
I've worn a spot on the soundboard with my RH pinkie.
The bare wood is starting to show through the finish.
Should I do anything?
   
   
   
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[LUTE] Re: Tempo, magnitude and precision.

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

   Hi,
   my opinion: dance music is the only genre in renaissance music with a
   strict pulse (that makes it so difficult for me to play it  :-) )
   w.
   Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. April 2013 um 04:37 Uhr
   Von: Miles Dempster miles.demps...@gmail.com
   An: lutelist Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Tempo, magnitude and precision.
   Hello Tobiah,
   Einstein established that time (and space) is affected by gravity.
   Just think of travelling through a musical piece where its emotional
   gravity constantly changes. It will speed up and down accordingly, but
   the metre will remain the same.
   Just a thought.
   Miles
   On 2013-04-08, at 10:26 PM, Bruno Correia wrote:
Hello Tobiah,
   
How absolute metric time could have been acheived in the Renaissance?
The tactus was a constant pulse behind the rhythm, but it was an
organic motion not a strict measured time like a metronome.
Actually, the only genre of music (which comes to my mind) that
   really
plays in time is pop music... How do we know they valued absolute
strict time in the Renaissance?
   
I've heard it expressed by one professor, that
absolute metric time was desired during the Renaissance.
   
2013/4/8 Tobiah [1]t...@tobiah.org
   
I sometimes struggle with the desire to warp the
tempo of a lute piece, to accentuate a beautiful
or pivotal phrase, or to keep myself interested
during a more mundane passage.
I've heard it expressed by one professor, that
absolute metric time was desired during the Renaissance.
I also remember the notion that rubato, in the romantic
period, was just a way of lending or borrowing time
in such a way that the same piece played straight through
at a constant tempo would end at the same time as the
performance where rubato was performed.
All of this is bait for discussion, but also a precursor
to a main query. I attempted to play along with a youtube
video of a fellow playing Francesco, and found that it
was impossible to do; he took wild liberties with the
tempo at every whim (either that or I can't play in time!).
I wanted to hear some comment on that aspect of the performance,
as well as on any other point I have raised.
Thanks!
Tobiah
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[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

This knot works very fine, and it´s easy, really easy to realize!
try it!
w.
 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:08:23 +
 Von: Peter Martin peter.l...@gmail.com
 An: WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com
 CC: lutelist Net Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South 
 Midlands?

These are the instructions that I use - clear, and with pictures!
 
[1]http://www.wadsworth-lutes.co.uk/frets.htm
 
Peter
On 11 March 2013 21:18, WALSH STUART [2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 
  I've looked at David Van Edwards' diagram a million times. There's a
  youtube video of someone putting frets on lute: I've watched it many
  times.
  I just cannot do it... and never have been able to. I don't
  understand the knot and I don't understand the method. I've got
  masking tape plastered all over the place and the frets are still
  loose and buzzing.
  Oddly I can do double frets with nylon but I don't want them on a
  decent lute. A famed maker in North London quickly re-fretted my
  lute in about 10 minutes a couple of years ago but he doesn't reply
  to emails and obviously can't be bothered with such menial work. My
  lute is currently unplayable.
  Anyone know anyone who would do it?
  Stuart
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[LUTE] Re: TRe: Montserrat Figueras

[wolfgang wiehe]

Sad, very sad. With 69 years.
I didn´t know how often I heard her canti della sibilla
W.

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An: 'Lute List'
Betreff: [LUTE] TRe: Montserrat Figueras



This is a very sad day...
A most beautiful woman, voice and soul.
 

-Message d'origine-
De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la
part de Edward Mast Envoyé : mercredi 23 novembre 2011 20:46 À : Bruno
Fournier Cc : Garry Warber; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re:
Montserrat Figueras

Sad indeed - an exciting performer.
On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Bruno Fournier wrote:

 Atlthough off topic, sad day for early music today, Monserat Figueras
passed away.
  
 Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
 Montreal
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 


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[LUTE] Re: TRe: Montserrat Figueras

[wolfgang wiehe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiHGmTaUT8

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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. November 2011 21:45
An: 'Sauvage Valéry'; 'Lute List'
Betreff: AW: [LUTE] TRe: Montserrat Figueras


Sad, very sad. With 69 years.
I didn´t know how often I heard her canti della sibilla
W.

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This is a very sad day...
A most beautiful woman, voice and soul.
 

-Message d'origine-
De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la
part de Edward Mast Envoyé : mercredi 23 novembre 2011 20:46 À : Bruno
Fournier Cc : Garry Warber; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re:
Montserrat Figueras

Sad indeed - an exciting performer.
On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Bruno Fournier wrote:

 Atlthough off topic, sad day for early music today, Monserat Figueras
passed away.
  
 Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
 Montreal
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 


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[LUTE] Re: Pictorially very off topic

[wolfgang wiehe]

thanks dan  edward!
this piece of music comes directly from my heart. I found it some years
ago in the wroclav ms 352. isn´t it nice? It took my attention by its
broken style structure and I think it´s from marco dall aquila or
directly influenced by him.I wrote a little paper of all in te domine
intabulations for the LSA quaterly some years ago.
recently paul o´dette did a recording of marco dall aquila with this
piece at the of his cd (did he read my paper???).
greetings
Wolfgang

p.s. you can download my paper at:
http://www.esnips.com/displayimage.php?album=710702pid=5879774#top_disp
lay_media
 
I use nylgut on my 7-c-lute. my lute was built by renatus lechner in
2003, a wonderful instrument (after gerle)
the woodcuts are from a decamerone-print of 1542 by giolito/venezia,
which I owned.





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[LUTE] Re: Pictorially very off topic

[wolfgang wiehe]

I am mad for photos, too. Here some of mine (6000) ;-)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14868225@N04/
And in combination with my lute
http://www.youtube.com/user/wiwocb#p/a/u/2/JxZifU8l35o
Greetings
W.

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Auftrag von Rob MacKillop
Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. November 2011 22:08
An: Edward Mast
Cc: Lute
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Pictorially very off topic


   I like your photos, Arto. And while we are at it, here are some of
   mine:

[1]https://picasaweb.google.com/117536826456517121171/Landscapes1
   Made the mistake of looking in a photography shop yesterday. One
could
   easily spend the price of a theorbo on a camera. And the lenses are
   extra!

   Rob

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[LUTE] Leonhard Lechner 1577

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

hi friends, I´m searching for so wuensch ich ihr ein gute nacht, Leonhard 
Lechner: neue teutsche lieder. 1577. this is the vocal source for mertel´s 
wonderful variations of this song. Can someone help me out with a copy? 
greetings from springtime
wolfgang



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[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/bookshelf/index.html?sort=bysubject
see und music 
greetings
w.
 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 15:25:55 +0400
 Von: Константин Щеников konstantin.n...@gmail.com
 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE]

 Dear friends lutenists!
 Anyone can share Thomas Robinson The Schoole of Musicke? Or give please
 the link where i can download it.
 Thanks a lot in advance!
 
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: Foscarini Experience

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

http://www.myspace.com/thefoscariniexperience/music
music, pictures

 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:08:46 +0100
 Von: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com
 An: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
 CC: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Foscarini Experience

 On 31/03/2011 19:53, Monica Hall wrote:
  I came across this CD  by the group Foscarini Experience with the
 title
  Bon voyage some time ago.
 
 
 I looked around to see if I could hear some of the tracks as samples. 
 Couldn't find anything but I did find an album by 'Private Musicke' (who 
 played at Edinburgh last year with an opera singer) and there are some 
 samples from this album, Echo de Paris:
 
 http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Accent/ACC24173#listen
 
 It's interesting that the one solo of Corbetta's and the several of 
 Bartolotti are played actually as solos - very fluently (but perhaps, at 
 the gushing rather than the pinched, end of the spectrum) whereas 
 Foscarini (and Briceno) get a complete makeover. Actually playing 
 through Foscarini you struggle to find anything musically coherent at 
 all - but on this album, his (ahem) music  bursts forth as colourful, 
 radiant and beguilingly tuneful.
 
 
 Stuart
 
 
 
   In the liner notes it mentions an
  illustration which features Foscarini on a wagon playing the lute
  together with a girl with a triangle and a violone player which
  apparently dates from 1615 and is part of an illustration of a 
 feast
  held for the Archduchess Isabella Clara Eugenia, the wife of the
  Archduke Albert.
 
 
 
  Does anyone know anything about this illustration and whether the
  lutenist is clearly identified as Foscarini.  I have done a bit of
  surfing the net but haven't found any trace of it.
 
 
 
  Monica
 
 
 
 
 
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[LUTE] re-intabulations

[wolfgang wiehe]

   hello collective wisdom,

   some of you know, that I'm mad for old books. some years ago, I bought
   Denkmaeler der Tonkunst in Oesterreich - Band 37: Oesterreichische
   Lautenmusik im XVI. Jahrhundert from the year 1959. I think the
   book is from an estate of a lute player. inside are english annotaions
   and a handful of re-intabulations from the staff notations of lute
   music: some dances by judenkunig, newsidler (f.e. wascha mesa), bakfark
   and some fragments. I think, he or she was a skilled player. someone
   knows the hand?  I scanned the re-intabulations:

   [1]http://www.mediafire.com/?p63td7e7nu07ja3



   greetings

   w.





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[LUTE] AW: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Wandervögel Songs

[wolfgang wiehe]

Hello,
I just scanned a wonderful small Wandervogel Lautenbuch from 1913. It
is by Alfred Kurella (see: wikipedia), who was later a functionary in
the GDR. You can download the pdf-file (22 mb)here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?dxceoidm4p4xfmi 
Greetings
wolfgang



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Auftrag von mathias.roe...@t-online.de
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. März 2011 11:27
An: A. J. Ness; Lute List
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Wandervögel Songs


You'll have all the tunes and lyrics from this edition, at least. But
these are adaptations for the keyboard, definitely no more feasible on
the lute.

Quite a few copies of Der Zupfgeigenhandel are still floating around (
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Zupfgeigenhansl ), why not take one of
those.

Mathias



  Some of you may be interested in this collection in several volumes
 with hundreds of songs (alas arranged for piano, but originally for  
lute-guitar):   
  [1]http://hdl.handle.net/1802/14257
  
  Publication Name: Was die Wandervo#776;gel singen ... fu#776;r  
Klavier bearbeitet und herausgegeben von Hermann Krome. Illustriert  
von Paul Telemann. Band I-IV.   Arranger:Krome, Hermann (1888 - 1955)
 
  Is anyone out there interested in  this repertory?  Roman?

  References
  
  1. http://hdl.handle.net/1802/14257




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[LUTE] Re: Holbein painting - precision and accuracy

[wolfgang wiehe]

There is a very instructive study about this picture:
Susan foister et al.: making  meaning / holbein´s ambassadors. National 
gallary company, london  yale university press. 2001.


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Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag 
von Jaroslaw Lipski
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Februar 2011 23:02
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Holbein painting - precision and accuracy


Anthony,

I agree, it is possible that Holbein painted the ambassador's lute. 
However, there is some inconsistency in the way he treated details. Some 
of them are very accurate (like the music), some are not (the globe). On 
the other hand we don't know who was wrong Holbein or the drawing on the 
globe (they didn't have computers then and we don't know who was a 
cartographer). If he was able to depict proportions of string gauges, 
then why suddenly he lost all his patience while painting the bridge 
holes ? One can see that he used very small diameter brushes, so there 
wouldn't have been any problem, had he seen proper size holes on the 
lute. Maybe he was not a lute expert, but I think he just saw big holes 
on the instrument. What was the history of that instrument?. Maybe the 
owner changed stringing for lighter one, but it's difficult to imagine 
such a thick gut to fit the hole on 6c and to sound reasonably well. 
Hmmreally makes me wonder. All best

Jaroslaw


W dniu 2011-02-09 16:02, Anthony Hind pisze:
 Yes of course you are right about the painting not necessarily being 
 accurate. Although Val's arguments seem rather good to make us think 
 it was the ambassador's lute.

 Generally, I think lute makers use as small a hole as they can get 
 away with (at least they seem to do so now). Whenever I have changed 
 to a thicker string types (change of pitch diapason, for example) I 
 have had to have the hole widened. Lute makers don't seem to allow for 
 this. I suppose the smaller the hole, the stronger the bridge? 
 Although, the larger the number of courses and the bigger the basses, 
 the more important that would become, perhaps?

 So I suppose the thinness of the strings in relation to the holes 
 doesn't make much sense. You are right that at least on later Baroque 
 lutes th small size of the holes has been used to argue for loaded 
 strings, but possibly not on a lute like this. I wonder?
 Anthony






 - Message d'origine 
 De : Jarosław Lipskijaroslawlip...@wp.pl
 À : lute@cs.dartmouth.edulute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Envoyé le : Mer 9 février 2011, 12h 18min 24s
 Objet : [LUTE] Re: Holbein painting - precision and accuracy

 I wonder to what extent we can rely on painter's accuracy...e.g.. big 
 bridge holes. As far as I can remember it was said that the evidence 
 suggests narrow BH which was to support the loaded strings theory. On 
 Holbein's painting we have enormous holes in comparison to the string 
 gauges on the lute. Would a painter bother about realistic hole 
 diameter ? The same with high action. No one could examine that lute 
 if it was playable, or was a professional instrument.or maybe it 
 was just a prop. On the other hand one of my lutes have an equal 
 fretting and is very easy to play.

 JL


 W dniu 2011-02-09 09:49, Martyn Hodgson pisze:
  Dear Anthony,

  Thanks for this. On further reflection some other aspects come 
 to mind:

  1. Most particularly, the difference between precision (the number of
  significant figures to which something is measured) and accuracy (how
  near the measurement is to the object being measured). For example a
  lute treble (of notional diameter, say, 0.49mm) may be given with a
  measurement of 4.8743215689mm, which is certainly very precise (to 1 in
  10,000millionth) but very inaccurate, or with a diameter of 0.5mm,
  which is much more accurate but not very precise.
  In the context of Holbein's wonderful painting, this may be translated
  as saying that he represented items with great precision but, perhaps,
  not always quite accurately. Thus, for example, the frets seem very
  finely executed but perhaps the graduation was not anything that
  bothered him (or his assistant). Other features which we find
  troubling/interesting (eg strings coming off the top of the bridge, nut
  rebate) may also be painted with great precision but maybe not with
  total accuracy

  2. Leaving this idea aside and my earlier speculation that equal frets
  might be an attempt to counter a lifting neck or to make a Bray
  harp-like sound (Capirola), we should not overlook the possibility that
  fretting in the England in the early 16th century WAS of equal size:
  the likely repertoire might not be so virtuosic as to demand the finest
  set (lowest 'action') to the lute (as Dowland and later 
 required).

  Martyn


  --- On Tue, 8/2/11, Anthony Hindagno3ph...@yahoo.com   wrote:

From: 

[LUTE] Re: Italian songs

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

Hello Helen,
Timo Peedu edited some frottole. You can find this at lute.ning:
http://lutegroup.ning.com/profile/TimoPeedu?xg_source=profiles_memberList
another source is Verdelot 1536 for voice and lute
and 
Verovio: Lodi della Musica (Roma, 1595) Madrigals for 3 voices and Lute
an edition is available from http://www.seicentomusic.de/

greetings
wolfgang


 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:05:26 +
 Von: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk
 An: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Italian songs

 Dear Helen,
 
 I haven't heard the CD of which you speak, so I don't know which songs 
 they do.  Shirley Rumsey did a nice CD on Naxos many years ago which 
 might also be an inspiration (and her Spanish CD is very good too).
 
 The two books of frottole published by Bossinensis in 1509 and 1511 are 
 not such a bad place to start.  Poems by Petrarch, music by Tromboncino 
 and Cara, nice stuff.  The only downside is I'm not sure any modern 
 editions have been done, though as far as I know the facsimiles are 
 still available.  I can send you copies of a few songs in my own 
 handwritten edition if you like.
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Martin
 
 On 20/01/2011 06:36, helen.atkin...@wordstone.co.uk wrote:
  Hi
 
  I'm wondering if there is much Italian Renaissance song repertoire
 available with written out tablature accompaniment. I'm particularly inspired 
 by
 the material on Julianne Baird and Ronn McFarlane's CD (The Italian Lute
 Song).
 
  Any advice on this would be gratefully received.
 
  Helen
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: Josquin music for lute

[wolfgang wiehe]

Here is the list posted on our lute newsgroup:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg28867.html
##
Dear David [and the lutenet]

I made a list of Josquin settings for lute some time ago and Arthur 
Ness suggested I shared it with you. It includes manuscript and 
printed sources. I have attached it as a Word document which I hope 
you can all open.

best wishes - John H Robinson


Lute intabulations of music by Josquin in prints and manuscripts
[John H Robinson, January 1997]
Manuscript sources:

Adieu mes amours
Adieu mes amours Munich 272 ff.52v-53
Adieu mes amours Wertheim Nr.6 pp.9-10
Benedicta
Benedicta es regina. VI vocum Josquin Berlin 40632 ff.8v-11
/ Per illiud ave II ditto
/ [Nunc mater exora natum: tertia pars] ditto
Benedicta es caelorum. 6 uocum Josquin Munich 267 ff.6v-8
/ Secunda pars Per illiud ave Duum ditto
/ Tertia Pars Nunc mater ditto
Benedicta Es Celorum prima pars Paris 429  ff.38v-43v
/ Per illu dave Secunta pars Paris 429  ff.44-45v
/ Nunc mater Tertia pars Paris 429  ff.46-47
Benedicta [Ness App.30] [Edin. Dc.5.125] Thistlethwaite  ff.47v-50
Benedicta es coelorum regina [Ness App.30] 
Thistlethwaite ff.81v-84
Chuor languor
Chuor languor Munich 266 ff.43v-44v
Circumdederunt
Circumd dederunt me 6 vocum Munich 266 ff.137v-138
Coment peult avoir Coment peult avoir
Coment peult avoir [Spinacino] Dallis pp.168-9
Cum sancto spiritu
Cum sancto spiritu [Missa de beata Virgine] Munich 272 ff.73v-74
Et in terra pax [Missa pange linqua]
Et in terra pax. Parte duna mesa. bela. Capirola (c.1517) p.129
Et resurrexit de lomo arme [Missa l'homme arme]
Et resurrexit de lomo arme. Parte duna mesa, bela, et bella 
*Capirola (c.1517) p.106
=46ors seulement [not in printed sources]
Forschalamendt Berlin 40632 ff.17v-18
For seulament [Gerle 15331/41] Munich 272 ff.57v-58
Hec dicit dominus [not in printed sources]
Hec dicit do[min]us 6. Vocum Josquin Munich 267 ff.26v-27
In exitu Israell / Deus autem / Dominus memor
In exitu Israell der erst taill Munich 272 ff.82v-85
/ In exitu Israell der ander taill [2: Deus autem] ditto
/ In exitu Israell der drit taill [3: Dominus memor] ditto
Inviolata /  Nosta vt pura / O Beningna
Inviolata. Josquin quinque vocum Munich 267 ff.2v-4
/ Secunda Pars  Nosta vt pura ditto
/ Tertia Pars O Beningna ditto
Mille Regres
Mille Regres Munich 266 f.41
Mille Regres / mit 4 stimmen Sequitur Munich 272 f.47v
Mille regres Wroclaw 352 ff.54v-55v
cf. VIII Galliarda V[alentin?] B[akfark?] [parody - Peter 
Kir=E1ly] Basel F.IX.70 p.299
Plus mil Regres
Plus mil Regres Munich 266 ff.55-55v
Plus mil Regres / Ist zimlich gueth Munich 1511d ff.11v-12v
Preter Rerum
Preter Rerum mit 6 stimmen der erst taill Munich 272 ff.80v-82
Preter Rerum der ander taill mit 6 stimmen [2: Virtus 
sancti spiritus] ditto
Preter rerum seriem. 6 vocum Wroclaw 352 ff.3-5v
Qui habitat
Qui habitat 4or vocum Josquin Munich 267 ff.14v-17
/ Secunda Pars Non accedat ditto
Qui habitat der erst taill Munich 272 ff.77v-80
/ Qui habitat der ander tail [2: Non accedat] ditto
Qui habitat in adiutorio altissimi Iosquini Luneberg 1196 p.4
Qui tollis pechata mundi [Missa pange linqua]
Qui tollis pechata mundi. Parte duna mesa. e piu bela. 
Capirola (c.1517) p.132
Stabat Mater Dolorosa
V[alentin].B[akfark].Stabat Mater Dolorosa 5 Vocu: 
Berlin 40598 ff.150v-151
[HomolyaBenko 37]

Combined prints and manuscripts:

MASSES [more or less complete settings]:
Missa Ave Maris Stella [Benedictus]
Otra missa de Jusquin de ave maristella Pisador (1552)
cf. Fantasia acomposturada de cierta parte
de la missa de Ave maristella de Josquin 
Valderrabano (1547)
Missa Beata Virgine [Cum sancto spiritu]
  Otra missa de Jusquin de beata virgen Pisador (1552)
Missa Dicha [Credo]
Missa Fa Re Mi Re?
Otra missa de Jusquin que va sobre fa re mi re Pisador (1552)
Missa de Faysan Regres [Et in terra pax, Et incarnatus est]
Missa de Fortuna Desesperata [Benedictus, Pleni]
Missa de la Fuga [Cum sancto spiritu]
Otra missa de Jusquin de la fuga Pisador (1552)
Missa de Gaudeamus
Otra missa de Jusquin de gaudeamus Pisador (1552)
Missa de Hercules [Pleni sunt celi]
Missa de Jusquin, de Ercules dux ferrarie Pisador (1552)
Missa L'homme arme [Agnus dei, Et resurrexit?]
Otra missa  de super bozes musicales Jusquin,
  missa L'homme arme super voces musicales 
Pisador (1552)
Missa Misma
Missa Pange Lingua [Benedictus, Et in terra pax?]
Missa Sine Nomine [Cum sancto spiritu]
Missa de la Sol Fa Re Mi [Christe]
Missa sobre la sol fa re mi Pisador (1552)

INDIVIDUAL PARTS:
1. Absolon fili mi
Absolon fili mi Ochsenkun (1558)
2. Adieu mes amours
Adieu mes amours Spinacino (1507)
Adieu mes amours Gerle (1533)
Adiu mes amours Newsidler (1536)
   Adiu mes amours [again] Newsidler (1536)
Adiu mes amours Drusina (1556)
Adieu mes amours Munich 272 ff.52v-53
Adieu mes amours Wertheim Nr.6 pp.9-10
3. Agnus dei
Agnus dei (Missa L'homme arme) Valderrabano (1547)
Agnus dei de la misa 

[LUTE] Re: The New NNG stock

[wolfgang wiehe]

Hi all,
Here my new lute-stringing-picture. NNG on 1th, 2th, 3th and on 6th
and 7th course. I am very pleased with the sound (and color, they are
not text marker yellow).
Greetings
W.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14868...@n04/5302436039/

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Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
Auftrag von Ed Durbrow
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Dezember 2010 04:11
An: Anthony Hind; LuteNet list
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: The New NNG stock


De : Martin Shepherd [1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk
 It looks bright yellow!  The samples I have are more gut-coloured
 (though still a bit on the yellow side).

Martin

   Yes, I thought they were supposed to look like gut! On all three of
my
   screens those strings are so yellow they look like the proverbial
golf
   ball you cannot lose. :-) I guess that is a good thing for us old
   fogies. I don't want to lose a lute, and if I can't lose the
   strings
   On Dec 20, 2010, at 11:19 PM, Anthony Hind wrote:

 Mimmo sent me this photo of the first 10kg of his new NNG stock.
 [1][2]http://tinyurl.com/2fbro7h
 He hopes to do 100Kg today!
 Regards
 Anthony
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   References
 1. [3]http://tinyurl.com/2fbro7h
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   Saitama, Japan
   [5]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
   [6]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/

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References

   1. mailto:mar...@luteshop.co.uk
   2. http://tinyurl.com/2fbro7h
   3. http://tinyurl.com/2fbro7h
   4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   5. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
   6. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/

[LUTE] Re: New Nylgut test as Chanterelle

[wolfgang wiehe]

my new nylgut arrived today. I ordered it last week from Mathias Wagner. It 
really looks like gut-strings.
greetings
w.
 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:05:43 -0600
 Von: Edward Martin e...@gamutstrings.com
 An: Daniel Winheld dwinh...@comcast.net, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: New Nylgut test as Chanterelle

 Curtis, at Aquila USA.  I do not know if he has them in stock 
 yet.  Last time I heard from Curtis, he was still awaiting delivery 
 from Italy.  Remember, it often takes more than a month for mailing 
 something from Italy.  At least, that is my experience (when Mimmo 
 mails something from Italy, it takes it a long time for the package 
 to get out of Italy - sometimes a month - when it gets out of Italy, 
 it arrives soon).
 
 ed
 
 At 11:10 AM 12/19/2010, Daniel Winheld wrote:
 Anyone know who is dealing the new Nylguts in North America?
 
 
 
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 2817 East 2nd Street
 Duluth, Minnesota  55812
 e-mail:  e...@gamutstrings.com
 voice:  (218) 728-1202
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[LUTE] Re: Re New Savarez harp strings?

[wolfgang wiehe]

I like them, too. In unisono on the 4th and 5th course on my renaissance
lute. 
W.
P.s. and if I remembered right in chemical analysis I found
fluoro-carbon

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Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
Auftrag von wikla
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Dezember 2010 22:06
An: Edward Martin
Cc: Martyn Hodgson; Lute List; Martin Shepherd
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Re New Savarez harp strings?



Used those for years - they last forever... Never noticed any
inconsistencies in diameters, neither any falsinesses in tuning. The
very thick ones doesn't sound good, though, in the for lute acceptable
tensions... No sharp starting tone like gut, lazyness in gaining the
volume, no click there in the touch - nice sound after that anyhow.
Under 130 or perhaps under 120 very ok. I also am very interested, if
this technology is nowadays offered also to thinner than 90 or so
diameters!

Best,

Arto

On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:15:19 -0600, Edward Martin e...@gamutstrings.com
wrote:
 I tried them years ago, but did not like them.  Tey are clear, and
 have some sort of a clear wrap over a carbon core.
 
 I found them false, and in measuring diameters, they were
 inconsistent in their size, on the same string.
 
 ed
 
 At 07:45 AM 12/10/2010, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
 
Thank you for this Martin and Anthony. These strings are
interesting
as
a further alternative to loaded, wire wound and the 'spring'
string;
especially for those with a large number of instruments to string.

 I looked into these Saverez KF strings some time ago (are you
sure
they're 'new' out?) and had reports at the time that they were
simply
PVF(carbon) strings like any other of the same ilk. I'd be
grateful
for
any clarification you can offer.

Martin, you say they only become multi strand above 0.95mm dia but
in
Anthony's message he gives someone using thinner KF strings with
the
implication that they are these new multi-strand type.   'an
example
of
the stringing he uses on a lute or 7c Vihuela :   g' KFN33 - d'
KFN43
-
a KFN52 - f KFN66-33 - c KFN84 - 43,5 - G KFN 112  - 57 - F KFN126
-
62.'  Is it possible that the 'new' aspect of these KF strings are
that
Saverez now makes these multistrand strings at smaller diameters?

What's the signoficance of the N in KFN? Does it mean new/nouveau
type
of KF strings?

The Saverez website is next to useless only giving marketing blurb
and
lists of available sizes but says the strings are made from
'composite
fibres' which again implies that all sizes are multi strand. They
also
make the claim that they are new but perhaps they simply haven't
updated an old website?

ALLIANCE KF COMPOSITE, Strings for harp

A real innovation! This strings are manufactured from composites 
fibres

A production which requires fine and sophisticated technologies
that
only Savarez could implement until now.
Thanks to the technologies, Savarez can produce strings which
geometrical qualities are perfect and which resist to the tensions
required by the harp. Many years of work and a focusing of
complicated
technologies were necessary to obtain such a result.
A long work on the molecules, some molecular relationships and the
rate
of cristalinity allow Savarez to obtain an elongation and an
elasticity identical to the ones of the gut.
The density of these strings is extremely close to the one of the
gut,
so the comparison takes more value. So though gut strings still
are
very popular, Alliance KF strings have a perfect alternative sound
for
those who wish to take profit of gut sound and synthetic strings
advantages.


--- On Fri, 10/12/10, Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk 
 wrote:

  From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk
  Subject: [LUTE] Re: Re New Savarez harp strings?
  To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Date: Friday, 10 December, 2010, 12:19

Dear All,
I have been using these KF strings for some years.  The smallest
diameter is .95mm, but this is the equivalent of a gut string of
about
1.07mm.  The one I use is KF95A, but I think the A just refers
to
the fact that it is a 2m length.  It works well as a 5th course on
a
renaissance lute (with an octave - I have not tried unison).  It
looks
more like a gut string, opaque rather than clear.  I have not
tried
the
thicker strings, but it seems that it might be worth a try - I
think
Jacob Heringman may have done so.
I think the next size down is .91mm, but it is a plain
monofilament
PVF
string.  I think some people are using them for a unison 5th
course.
Best wishes,
Martin
On 10/12/2010 10:05, Anthony Hind wrote:
 Dear Theo

   Just recently on the French Lute list, Carlos Gonzales,
president of the Sp
 anish Vihuela society, and lutemaker, has sopoken highly of
these

[LUTE] Re: How to make a lute in five minutes

[wolfgang wiehe]

so easy! I am in a cold sweat every time...

 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 10:32:12 +
 Von: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk
 An: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: How to make a lute in five minutes

 Thanks, Paolo, that's lovely.  But I do wonder if it's a competition - 
 what next?  A 35-rib theorbo in the time it takes to play Mrs Winter's 
 Jump?  I'm working on it
 
 Martin
 
 On 05/12/2010 21:32, Paolo Busato wrote:
  Dear all,
 
  This is my contribution to the topic. Two lute bowls in one minute 
  (background music played by Jacopo Gianninoto):
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exfQ10SUIrk
 
  Enjoy!
 
  Paolo Busato lute-maker
  www.busatolutes.com
 
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  considerarsi utilizzabile solamente dalla persona o dall'ente cui è
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 di
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  If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this email
  and any attachments and contact the sender. (Italian Law 196/2003)
 
 _
 
 
  - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherd 
  mar...@luteshop.co.uk
  To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:03 AM
  Subject: [LUTE] How to make a lute in five minutes
 
 
   (with a little help from Francis Cutting):
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMBMGRcRbG0
 
  and considerable hindrance from Windows Movie Maker.
 
  Lots of questions about how to do proper video coming up
 
 
  Best wishes,
 
  Martin
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: How to make a lute in five minutes

[wolfgang wiehe]

upps, I mean this video! sorry
w.
 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:57:40 +0100
 Von: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de
 An: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: How to make a lute in five minutes

 so easy! I am in a cold sweat every time...
 
  Original-Nachricht 
  Datum: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 10:32:12 +
  Von: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk
  An: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Betreff: [LUTE] Re: How to make a lute in five minutes
 
  Thanks, Paolo, that's lovely.  But I do wonder if it's a competition - 
  what next?  A 35-rib theorbo in the time it takes to play Mrs Winter's 
  Jump?  I'm working on it
  
  Martin
  
  On 05/12/2010 21:32, Paolo Busato wrote:
   Dear all,
  
   This is my contribution to the topic. Two lute bowls in one minute 
   (background music played by Jacopo Gianninoto):
  
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exfQ10SUIrk
  
   Enjoy!
  
   Paolo Busato lute-maker
   www.busatolutes.com
  
 
 _
   Il contenuto di questa e-mail e dei file allegati è RISERVATO e da
   considerarsi utilizzabile solamente dalla persona o dall'ente cui è
   indirizzato. Se avete ricevuto questa e-mail per errore, siete pregati
  di
   eliminarla e di contattare il mittente (Legge italiana 196/2003).  The
   content of this e-mail and any files is CONFIDENTIAL and intended
   solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is
 addressed.
   If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this email
   and any attachments and contact the sender. (Italian Law 196/2003)
  
 
 _
  
  
   - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherd 
   mar...@luteshop.co.uk
   To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:03 AM
   Subject: [LUTE] How to make a lute in five minutes
  
  
(with a little help from Francis Cutting):
  
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMBMGRcRbG0
  
   and considerable hindrance from Windows Movie Maker.
  
   Lots of questions about how to do proper video coming up
  
  
   Best wishes,
  
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[LUTE] Re: How to make a lute in five minutes

[wolfgang wiehe]

I mean thisFastening gut frets 
http://www.youtube.com/user/PaololiutaioPD#p/a/u/0/6aItqGZ0zJs
sorry

 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 13:15:13 +0200
 Von: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
 An: Paolo Busato pa.bus...@tiscali.it
 CC: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: How to make a lute in five minutes

 You mean this
 
   http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Mdieffo1608/jan03_3.html
 
 That's my Tieffenbrucker under construction in 2003.
 
 Arto
 
 
 On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:05:39 +0100, Paolo Busato pa.bus...@tiscali.it
 wrote:
  Thank you Martin! Instead I'm thinking of the 51 ribbed Tieffenbrucker 
  theorbo in the time of the 4th piece for little orchestra by A. Webern
  (less 
  than 30!) :^
  
  Paolo Busato lute-maker
  www.busatolutes.com
 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk
  To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:32 AM
  Subject: [LUTE] Re: How to make a lute in five minutes
  
  
  Thanks, Paolo, that's lovely.  But I do wonder if it's a competition - 
  what next?  A 35-rib theorbo in the time it takes to play Mrs Winter's 
  Jump?  I'm working on it
 
  Martin
 
  On 05/12/2010 21:32, Paolo Busato wrote:
  Dear all,
 
  This is my contribution to the topic. Two lute bowls in one minute 
  (background music played by Jacopo Gianninoto):
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exfQ10SUIrk
 
  Enjoy!
 
  Paolo Busato lute-maker
  www.busatolutes.com
 
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  mar...@luteshop.co.uk
  To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:03 AM
  Subject: [LUTE] How to make a lute in five minutes
 
 
   (with a little help from Francis Cutting):
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMBMGRcRbG0
 
  and considerable hindrance from Windows Movie Maker.
 
  Lots of questions about how to do proper video coming up
 
 
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[LUTE] frottole 1520

[wolfgang wiehe]

hi,
where can I find/who has a copy/facsimile of Frottole de misser Bartolomio 
Tromboncino et de misser Marchetto Carra con tenori et bassi tabultai et con 
soprani in canto figurato per cantar et sonar col lauto. 1520? If I´m right it 
is preserved in Biblioteca del Conservatorio statale di musica Luigi Cherubini 
- Firenze.
greetings
wolfgang



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[LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public) libraries?

[wolfgang wiehe]

by the way: today the munich BSB has 
397.736 Titels online ;-)
[11.11.2010] 

 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:55:13 +0100
 Von: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de
 An: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public)  libraries?

 hi david,
 digitalizing costs a lot - for equipment and personal. the munich BSB is
 doing a great job in preparing such a lot of digitals for us, but first for
 preserving their treasures, too. if we are looking to cologne, we know,
 what it means, if such a large archive is destroyed. 
 
 http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/index.html?c=digitalisierung-scannerl=de
 on youtube:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y16rNqnxj0U
 
 greetings
 w.
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Original-Nachricht 
  Datum: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:45:25 -0800
  Von: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net
  An: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Betreff: [LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public) 
 libraries?
 
  For everyone who buys one, there are a hundred who will not. It will 
  all be online eventually, so why not do it now? So everyone can be 
  wiser and more musical.
  I think if someone is faced with a decision, hey, I can charge for 
  this, or give it freely to the world, well, there is a choice that is 
  more than a personal decision, because it is a question of whether it 
  is part of our greater musical society. And I don't want my 
  facsimiles cleaned up. Just put it all online please, before I croak. 
  And thanks to those who do.
  
  dt
  
  At 03:24 PM 11/10/2010, you wrote:
  Hello David  All:
  
  While I agree in concept that the facsimiles should be available, 
  and that providing access to the source material is a good thing, I 
  don't necessarily believe charging for facsimiles is evil.  Perhaps 
  you meant 'a necessary evil'?  The work that goes into preparing a 
  facsimile; photographing, maximizing its legibility, concordances if 
  they are part of the package, reproducing, binding and conveying to 
  players, certainly is not carried out by nefarious, money-grubbing 
  Dick Cheney types (as a reference for evil personified).  Well 
  probably not anyway.  I appreciate all of my Boethius and Minkoff 
  facsimiles and, even if they cost as much as a small house, they 
  don't smell of sulfur when I crack the covers.
  
  Ron Andrico
  
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:33:08 -0800
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
From: vidan...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public)
  libraries?
   
Although I understand all of the issues, including compensating ppl
for their time, charging money for facsimiles is basically evil, and
in the long run everyone will be better served by having more music
available--more concerts, more audience, more work.
What all libraries should do is just put it all online, and then if
someone wants to make an edition and sell it, fine. Just make a PDF,
and upload it, and I guarantee that everyone will benefit.
This also prevents players from owning a repertory by limiting
 access.
   
If scholars want to sell the commentary as a separate book, that is
also fine, and continues an established tradition.
dt
   
   
   
At 12:32 PM 11/10/2010, you wrote:
 Still something that I don't get:

 why are some public (public) libraries slowly making all their MS
 available as a digital download - and I'm thinking about the the
 Bayerisch Staatsbibliothek here in Munich, between others -, while
 there are other PUBLIC libraries (hello, British Library ...) -
 that
 still do not even seem to envisage that ...

 Shall we (as single members of the list) put some pressure on our
  local
 libraries? Send an email to the curators of their music
 departments
  -
 maybe as rightful, registered members of the library, as I guess
  some
 of us are - and ask about it?
 (Of course, this doesn't want to diminuish at all the value of
 such
 pubblication as the Dd.2.11 by the Lute Society. The scholarship
  part
 is something you dont get in a digital facsimile ...)
 Your opinion, listers?
 Matteo
 On 10 November 2010 20:19, Denys Stephens
 [1]denyssteph...@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
 [...]

 It's also worth noting that whilst some
 of
 the world's libraries are making digital copies of their musical
 sources
 available, there is currently no expectation that this, or indeed
 any of the
 Cambridge University Library manuscripts will become available as
 free
 electronic downloads.
 Denys

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[LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public) libraries?

[wolfgang wiehe]

hi david,
digitalizing costs a lot - for equipment and personal. the munich BSB is doing 
a great job in preparing such a lot of digitals for us, but first for 
preserving their treasures, too. if we are looking to cologne, we know, what it 
means, if such a large archive is destroyed. 

http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/index.html?c=digitalisierung-scannerl=de
on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y16rNqnxj0U

greetings
w.






 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:45:25 -0800
 Von: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net
 An: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public)  libraries?

 For everyone who buys one, there are a hundred who will not. It will 
 all be online eventually, so why not do it now? So everyone can be 
 wiser and more musical.
 I think if someone is faced with a decision, hey, I can charge for 
 this, or give it freely to the world, well, there is a choice that is 
 more than a personal decision, because it is a question of whether it 
 is part of our greater musical society. And I don't want my 
 facsimiles cleaned up. Just put it all online please, before I croak. 
 And thanks to those who do.
 
 dt
 
 At 03:24 PM 11/10/2010, you wrote:
 Hello David  All:
 
 While I agree in concept that the facsimiles should be available, 
 and that providing access to the source material is a good thing, I 
 don't necessarily believe charging for facsimiles is evil.  Perhaps 
 you meant 'a necessary evil'?  The work that goes into preparing a 
 facsimile; photographing, maximizing its legibility, concordances if 
 they are part of the package, reproducing, binding and conveying to 
 players, certainly is not carried out by nefarious, money-grubbing 
 Dick Cheney types (as a reference for evil personified).  Well 
 probably not anyway.  I appreciate all of my Boethius and Minkoff 
 facsimiles and, even if they cost as much as a small house, they 
 don't smell of sulfur when I crack the covers.
 
 Ron Andrico
 
   Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:33:08 -0800
   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   From: vidan...@sbcglobal.net
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public)
 libraries?
  
   Although I understand all of the issues, including compensating ppl
   for their time, charging money for facsimiles is basically evil, and
   in the long run everyone will be better served by having more music
   available--more concerts, more audience, more work.
   What all libraries should do is just put it all online, and then if
   someone wants to make an edition and sell it, fine. Just make a PDF,
   and upload it, and I guarantee that everyone will benefit.
   This also prevents players from owning a repertory by limiting access.
  
   If scholars want to sell the commentary as a separate book, that is
   also fine, and continues an established tradition.
   dt
  
  
  
   At 12:32 PM 11/10/2010, you wrote:
Still something that I don't get:
   
why are some public (public) libraries slowly making all their MS
available as a digital download - and I'm thinking about the the
Bayerisch Staatsbibliothek here in Munich, between others -, while
there are other PUBLIC libraries (hello, British Library ...) - that
still do not even seem to envisage that ...
   
Shall we (as single members of the list) put some pressure on our
 local
libraries? Send an email to the curators of their music departments
 -
maybe as rightful, registered members of the library, as I guess
 some
of us are - and ask about it?
(Of course, this doesn't want to diminuish at all the value of such
pubblication as the Dd.2.11 by the Lute Society. The scholarship
 part
is something you dont get in a digital facsimile ...)
Your opinion, listers?
Matteo
On 10 November 2010 20:19, Denys Stephens
[1]denyssteph...@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
[...]
   
It's also worth noting that whilst some
of
the world's libraries are making digital copies of their musical
sources
available, there is currently no expectation that this, or indeed
any of the
Cambridge University Library manuscripts will become available as
free
electronic downloads.
Denys
   
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[LUTE] Re: Lute volume

[wolfgang wiehe]

some years ago we had a playersday in hamburg in a church. one performed piece 
was a duo between renaissance lute and soprano recorder. near the performers, i 
was able to hear more or less the recorder only. while walking away to the 
entrance of the church the lute sound comes more and more out of the shade of 
the recorder sound and was very present.
greetings
w.
p.s. I think, there is no linear relationship between different instruments



 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 05:52:37 -0700 (PDT)
 Von: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com
 An: wi...@cs.helsinki.fi, Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com
 CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Lute volume

 Anthony,
 
 --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote:
    I was told
     by a lutenist and theorbist that in a
  recent rehearsal with a rather
     large Baroque group accompanied by a
  relatively large number of
     singers, the director told my friend to
  hold back a little as he was
     projecting too well. The theorbo was gut
  strung.
 
 I've been told this by several different directors, too.  (Theorbo: toy
 class.  Stringing: synthetic and gut).  Never believe them!  After every
 concert where I've been asked to hold back, I've asked people from the 
 audience
 whether they could hear me.  Comments ranged from in a few spots to not
 at all.  Really, have you ever been to an ensemble concert where you've
 thought that lute is too loud?
 
 The problem rises from the fact that, despite my early comment about the
 lute's sound traveling better than the classical guitar's, it still doesn't
 compare with strings, voices or even harpsichord.  While the ensemble may
 have a dynamic range from 1-10, a plucker is going to have maybe 1-4 - with
 4 being your most aggressive, string-ripping .  In reality, it means
 that you've got to play fff (3.5 or so) in normal passages, and ff in
 pianos.  To the director and fellow musicians it can sound like you're 
 massively
 overplaying.  For the person in row two or 32, it will sound just right.
 
 I've never wanted to argue with a director.  I've also been tempted to lay
 back in rehearsals, then simply disregard orders and amp it up in
 performance, but I've never had the guts to do it.  Unprofessional behavior 
 and all
 that jazz.  
 
 Chris
 
 Christopher Wilke
 Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
 www.christopherwilke.com
 
 
 
 
     Anthony
  
      Message d'origine 
     De : wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
     A : Thomas Schall lauten...@lautenist.de
     Objet : [LUTE] Re: Lute volume
     Date : 18/10/2010 11:29:38 CEST
     Copie `a : Gary Digman magg...@sonic.net;
      lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
     
     I second Thomas' comment: I've seen
  and heard Bream play lute, I've
     seen
      and with some trouble heard
  something of Hoppy's playing, and I have
      only _seen_ Rooley accompanying his
  song ensemble, not heard the lute
      (it was in 70's...)
     
      Arto
     
     
      On 18/10/10 11:26, Thomas Schall
  wrote:
       I can follow your comment about
  Hoppy because he is playing at a
       *very* low volume. I have heard
  him both in a large church playing
     as
       well as in a small salon. The
  first has been disappointing - the
       second has been a nice
  experience.
       I've heard Julian Bream in a
  larger room - volume has not been a
       problem at all .
      
       Thomas
      
       Am 18.10.2010 10:06, schrieb
  Gary Digman:
       Two of the lute players I
  was referring to were Julian Bream and
       Hopkinson Smith. Both
  playing to audiences of over 250 people and
       neither could be heard past
  the seventh row no matter how much
     focus
       one brought to the event.
  Fortunately in the Julian Bream concert
     I
       was able to sneak down to
  an empty seat in the first row. Not so
     in
       the Hoppy concert, the
  first eight rows were reserved for season
       ticket holders. However, I
  was able to hear Hoppy play in a
     library
       concert later where the
  conditions were ideal for the lute. The
       audience was limited to
  eighty people and the stage was an
     elevated
       platform affording everyone
  in the room the opportunity to both
     hear
       and see Hoppy play.
      
       Gary
      
       - Original Message
  - From: Christopher Wilke
       chriswi...@yahoo.com
       To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu;
  Gary Digman magg...@sonic.net
       Sent: Sunday, October 17,
  2010 7:51 AM
       Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re:
  Lute volume
      
      
       Gary,
      
       --- On Sun, 10/17/10,
  Gary Digman magg...@sonic.net
  wrote:
      
       That being said, I
  have to admit that I have attended lute
       concerts given by
  some of the leading lights of the lute
       world for audiences
  numbering in the hundreds where the lute
       literally could not
  be heard at all past the seventh or
       eighth row. 

[LUTE] Re: Lute volume

[wolfgang wiehe]

Here another example from cottbus to judge. 
Well balanced - i think - between singer and lute. The mic zoom h2 was
about 5 meters away, this was the first row of our auditorium:
http://www.esnips.com/doc/3c871420-c2d5-4c38-a416-00784a90ba5d/Frottola-
-su-su-leva

And here the same frottola with another zoom h2 about 15 meters behind
the last row of the auditorium with much more natural reverb:
http://www.esnips.com/doc/ddbd60e1-bfab-48cb-a83e-d2bcc3f51017/16-Titel-
16

The church is from the 15th century and - if i remember right - 70 m
long and 22 m high and wide. See the ground plot:
http://www.st-nikolai-cottbus.de/oberkirche/bilder/denkmal/folie10.html

Greetings
W.



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
Auftrag von Mathias Rösel
Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Oktober 2010 13:51
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Lute volume


Judge for yourself:
http://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/derefer?TYPE=2DEST=http%3A%2F%2Fservice%2
Egmx%2Enet%2Fde%2Fcgi%2Fdfstools%3Fopenid%3D30949%2E1287316081%26o%3D959
384029%2E1287316082%26cmd%3Dopen%26file%3D04%2BGigue%2BWach%2Bauf%2BMs16
45%255FMatthias%2BRebecca%2B%2B%252Emp3%26folder%3D%252F
(last Sunday, Cottbus). In the beginning, or so I was later told, a
woman said, now a mike is needed, but after a short while she could dela
with it. As a matter of fact, there was a lot of echo in the huge
cathedral. But focussing does the trick. Or so I was told 8)

Mathias

Gary Digman magg...@sonic.net schrieb:
 As a jazz musician, I play a lot of corporate events and parties. For 
 years
 I thought the crowd would get louder every time we began to play, but
now I 
 think the perception that the crowd is getting louder is a result of
focus, 
 i.e. when we begin to play we focus on sound, giving the impression
that all 
 sounds get louder including the crowd noise.
 
 That being said, I have to admit that I have attended lute concerts 
 given by
 some of the leading lights of the lute world for audiences numbering
in the 
 hundreds where the lute literally could not be heard at all past the
seventh 
 or eighth row. Very frustating to pay $35-$80 for a ticket only to
find out 
 you will not be able to hear the lute no matter how focused you are. I
think 
 if we're going to play for audiences this large, some sound
reinforcement 
 may become necessary even though it is a compromise. Other instruments
have 
 had to deal with this problem. Jazz bassists amplify the double bass,
even 
 though the best and purest sound of the double bass is thereby
compromised, 
 in order to be heard.
 
 Gary
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com
 To: nedma...@aol.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 11:29 AM
 Subject: [LUTE] Lute volume
 
 
To All:
We have a new post on our blog that may be of general lute
interest,
concerning volume in performance.
 
http://mignarda.wordpress.com/2010/10/16/sound-check-is-it-loud-enough/
Best wishes,
Ron  Donna
www.mignarda.com
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[LUTE] duo de josquin - fuenllana

[wolfgang wiehe]

hello,
I´m searching for the vocal source of duo de josquin fecit potentia by 
fuenllana. I know it´s the 6th vers of the magnificat. I would like to perform 
the duo in contrast to a performance by voices or recorders at our playersday 
in cottbus in 2 weeks.
thanks
wolfgang



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[LUTE] Lauthenkonzert, hinterleuthner 1699

[wolfgang wiehe]

http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0005/bsb00052434/images/

Pdf-facsimile



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[LUTE] Re: antiqua (guatemala) vihuela manuscript

[wolfgang wiehe]

perhaps you mean this:
http://www.tesis.ufm.edu.gt/pdf/848.pdf
can´t read spanish
greetings
wolfgang

 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:32:57 +0200
 Von: Taco Walstra wals...@science.uva.nl
 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] antiqua (guatemala) vihuela manuscript

 Dear all,
 A few weeks ago I happened to be in Antiqua in Quatemala. They have a 
 tiny museum containing old manuscrips and books which were printed in 
 16th and 17th century in quatemala. Among the books shown there were 4 
 books containing music and one manuscript where the description 
 mentioned that it was about vihuela tuning. 23 pages following were to 
 contain religious music. Of course it would have been nice if this 
 manuscript contains vihuela tablature, but the museum description didn't 
 mention this, although it looks like that the music was intended to be 
 played on vihuela. Unfortunately there was nobody available to provide 
 more information. I made 2 pictures of the pages and will put them on a 
 website this week. Anybody more info about this book?
 Taco
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: praelude romanesque...

[wolfgang wiehe]

thank you G. for the tabulature,
this 1-line piece is a wonderful exercise for both hands and - by the way - 
it sounds really good! the romanesca is well hidden in the line ;-)
cordial greetings
wolfgang

- Original Message -
From: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:22 AM
Subject: [LUTE] praelude romanesque...


 ..from the uppsala manuscript 412, f.28 by Morlaye (?). Has someone  a
 copy for me? It is such a nice piece.
 thanks
 wolfgang



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[LUTE] praelude romanesque...

[wolfgang wiehe]

..from the uppsala manuscript 412, f.28 by Morlaye (?). Has someone  a copy for 
me? It is such a nice piece.
thanks
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[LUTE] Re: geared pegs and Dan Larson's lute

[wolfgang wiehe]

I like my simple lute pegs, I like the simple non-mechanized 1 to 1 
tuning-design of old instruments. perhaps modern guitar-tuning-mechanics are a 
result of 19th century perfection...
w.




 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:17:23 -0400
 Von: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com
 An: Edward Martin e...@gamutstrings.com
 CC: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com, lute-cs.dartmouth.edu 
 lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: geared pegs and Dan Larson\'s lute

 It seems to me that another reason - beyond the weight of guitar-type
 machine tuners - for not using them on lutes would be the space they require. 
 I think they would require that the tuners  be more widely spaced and the
 peg box consequently much longer.  Though more expensive, the geared pegs
 are far more practical, I think.
 
 Ned
 On Jun 22, 2010, at 5:00 AM, Edward Martin wrote:
 
  I do not know the exact weight, but the 8-course lute has 15 pegs, or 
  should I say, gears.  The lute's neck felt as though it was light, 
  with absolutely no noticeable added weight.
  
  
  At 12:33 AM 6/22/2010, howard posner wrote:
  Weight is a major issue, especially when you're putting 24 of 
  something on one end of your instrument.  So the increased weight of 
  a standard machine tuning head is usually cited as the reason for 
  not using them on lutes, which are much lighter than 19th-century 
  guitars.  I have never personally weighed machine heads and pegs, so 
  I can't say how significant the added weight would actually be.
  
  On Jun 21, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
  
  The almost universal application of pegs to lutes seems to have come
 about
  because 1) historic lutes were no longer in widespread use as geared
 tuners
  proliferated and 2) when the early music movement resurrected lutes,
 geared
  tuners were deliberately excluded to make deference to historic
 practices.
  
  So, other than replacing pegs without the necessity to substantially
 modify
  existing instruments, how are such tuners as applied to new
 instruments any
  more useful than those already widely used and cheaply available?  Is
 the
  appeal strictly in the rather superficial appearance of not being
 geared?
  
  I am not at all opposed to geared tuners--using them on guitars from
  original 19th-c. pieces to quite modern--but I don't understand the
 appeal
  of so much expense on tuners simply for something that doesn't look
  geared.  I'd just as soon deal with temperamental friction 
  pegs.  After all,
  many of us are willing to deal with the temperamental issues of at
 least
  partial stringing in gut when more stable materials are more cheaply
  available.
  
  
  
  
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[LUTE] haveva ´na gallina

[wolfgang wiehe]

   hi all,

   I am looking for the score of this villanella from canzone alla
   napolitana 1557.

   thanks

   wolfgang

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[LUTE] tromboncino vergine bella

[wolfgang wiehe]

thanks to Timo Peedu (lutegroup.ning) for his wonderful intabulation of 
Tromboncino´s vergine bella. Now I am searching for the vocal score of this 
frottola. I didn´t found it on the web yet. Can someone help me?
greetings
from coldcoldcold germany
w.



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[LUTE] Re: tromboncino vergine bella

[wolfgang wiehe]

puh!
Thank you arto! I didn´t found it.
it si such a wonderful piece, a gem!
greetings
w.
 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Wed, 19 May 2010 10:28:10 +0300
 Von: Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
 An: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de
 CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: Re: [LUTE] tromboncino vergine bella

 Dear Wolfgang,
 
 just a quick googling:
http://www.scaramella.se/1500_tal_italienskt/Tromb_Vergine_2_2004.pdf
 
 There it is! :-)
 
 All the best,
 
 Arto
 
 wolfgang wiehe wrote:
  thanks to Timo Peedu (lutegroup.ning) for his wonderful intabulation of
 Tromboncino´s vergine bella. Now I am searching for the vocal score of
 this frottola. I didn´t found it on the web yet. Can someone help me?
  greetings
  from coldcoldcold germany
  w.
  
  
  
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[LUTE] stringing of a wandervogellaute

[wolfgang wiehe]

hello all,
I get a present from member of our church choir: a 6-string 
wandervogelgitarre 63cm mensur. It is the instrument of her father (born in 
1904). so its about 90 years old. not very pretty but corpus and soundboard 
without cracks and with intact mechanics. the instrument is stringed with nylon 
and cu-wounded guitar strings (more than 30 years old and made in GDR!), make a 
deep bass sound (I tuned it in D)
Someone has experiences with stringing this furniture? mathias rösel told me to 
string it with nylgut (4 kg tension)
greetings
w.



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[LUTE] attaignant facsimile

[wolfgang wiehe]

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[LUTE] Re: Marco dall'Aquila / O'Dette

[wolfgang wiehe]

My marco-cd arrived yesterday. Ok, too much reverb. But perfect and very
soulfull (!) playing of this wonderful music. You must hear it often,
than the reverb is forgotten and the music speaks to you.
Denys: POD played ms. 266 no. 33 just bevor in te domine speravi! ;-)
but not mentioned in the booklet exactly the sources..
Greetings
W.

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Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
Auftrag von Denys Stephens
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. April 2010 15:08
An: 'lute-cs.dartmouth.edu'
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Marco dall'Aquila / O'Dette


Dear All,
My apologies for digressing from the interesting discussion on the use
of microphones.

My copy of the Marco CD arrived this morning, and having listened to it
intently, I agree with many of the sentiments expressed here about the
sound, particularly when played through a speaker system, where the
effect is rather analogous to trying to view a great painting through
someone else's glasses. However, I have found 
it works much better on my MP3 player. Despite all of that, this is the
first album by a great player entirely devoted to Marco Dall'Aquila
(with no disrespect to Chris Wilson, whose Naxos recording of some years
ago is only two thirds Marco). In that respect, in my view this is the
most significant recording of early lute music of recent years. There
are many wonderful pieces recorded here for the first time (some of
which are extremely challenging to play well) and they are performed
beautifully. I get the sense that this is music that Paul O'Dette has a
great feeling for. And again despite the misgivings about the recording,
the album reveals the genius of Marco Dall'Aquila's writing for the lute
which has been under appreciated for far too long. 

Best wishes,

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[LUTE] frottole libro terzo 1504 online!

[wolfgang wiehe]

   [1]http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00047546/images/

   it seems, that they started the digitalization of petrucci's frotttole
   books in munich! hurra!

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[LUTE] Castelfranco Ms.

[wolfgang wiehe]

hello,
what does the collective wisdom knows about this manuscript? Is there an 
inventory etc.? some tabulatures on the net?
greetings
w.



 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:49:47 +0100
 Von: Denys Stephens denyssteph...@ukonline.co.uk
 An: \'David Tayler\' vidan...@sbcglobal.net, \'lute-cs.dartmouth.edu\' 
 lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: CD Dall\'Aquila

 Dear David,
 There is no currently available complete edition. All of the known
 pieces attributed to Marco in manuscript and printed sources are included 
 in the Lute Society 'Lute News' series edited by myself and John H 
 Robinson which are available from the Lute Society. The series
 also includes many of the pieces from Munich Ms. 266 which can
 reasonably be deduced to be by Dall'Aquila on stylistic grounds.
 This series is tablature only (no score transcription). The
 Lute Society has avoided producing a complete edition in the hope that
 the Arthur Ness edition will appear in print, which would
 surely be regarded as the definitive volume that we would all like to
 see.
 
 Interestingly, the O'Dette CD includes a number of pieces which have
 not to my knowledge been previously attributed to Marco, some being
 minor pieces from Munich Ms. 266 and others from seemingly unknown
 sources. It's possible that these might be from the Castelfranco Ms.
 which is said to include work by Marco, although there is no inventory
 of its contents generally available. I look forward to hearing more
 about those pieces myself.
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Denys
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
 Behalf
 Of David Tayler
 Sent: 30 March 2010 19:25
 To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: CD Dall'Aquila
 
 Is there a one stop shopping for for Aquila's music scores?
 I'm in a buying mood.
 Sorry about the CD sound, I guess there are no refunds.
 I suppose we could send a group letter, making it 
 very clear of course that the engineering is the 
 issue, and that Paul deserves the best.
 dt
 
 At 07:05 AM 3/29/2010, you wrote:
 Here the recording is in a castle, not in a church, near the city of
 Aquila,
 Italy. But there was perhaps more suitable rooms in the castle ?
 It's a pity because Dall'Aquila's music is beautiful(and Paul's playing
 too)
 V.
 
 -Message d'origine-
 De : Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
 Envoyé : lundi 29 mars 2010 15:56
 À : Valéry Sauvage
 Cc : Lutelist
 Objet : Re: [LUTE] Re: CD Dall'Aquila
 
 
 I agree with you.   I listened to a few tracks and was appalled.   It's
 as
 if they had recorded it in the local swimming baths.
 
 There is this tendency to use churches for recording this repertoire -
 possibly because churches (in England at least) charge less than other
 venues.  Most of them are completely inappropriate and unsuitable.
 
 What a shame for Paul.
 
 Monica
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Valéry Sauvage sauvag...@orange.fr
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:42 PM
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: CD Dall'Aquila
 
 
 It seems to me the CD is worst (but I'm listenint to the web page on a
 computer with poor speakers cutting high frequencies) CD, on a good hifi
 player, treble are really agressive. Like if it was played on a metal
 strung
 instrument (but not a soft orpharion, Alas...) and also a cathedral
 effect,
 like a bad computer reverb effect.
 But I would like others opinion if some had the CD (On the French list
 there
 is another bad opinion)
 V.
 
 -Message d'origine-
 De : Andrew White
 Envoyé : lundi 29 mars 2010 13:57
 À : Valery Sauvage
 Objet : Re: [LUTE] CD Dall'Aquila
 
 
 Val,
 
 Does the CD sound better, worse of the same as the tracks on the webpage?
 
 http://www.harmoniamundi.com/#/albums?view=playlistsid=1456
 
 It sounds to me like the microphone is at the back of a hall
 
 Andrew
 
 On 29/03/2010, at 9:03 PM, Valery Sauvage wrote:
 
 I just receive the last CD by Paul O'Dette, of Dall'Aquila's music
 at
 Harmonia Mundi.
  
 I'm afraid it is really bad. Not Paul's playing (excellent as usual)
 but sound recording is really not audible (is it the right word ?)
 Trebles are aggressive, bass mixed in a soap sound... The booklet
 says
 it is the historical place where it was recorded that is very much
 reverberant... Why did they choose this place ? even if it was not
 possible to record in the church in Aquila where the plan to do
 first,
 but can't because of the earthquake.
  
 I send a mail to Harmonia Munid, to ask them to take this out of
 sell
 and make a new one on the usual standard... (and to ask my money
 back
 !)
  
 Other opinions ?
  
 Val L
  
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[LUTE] marco dall´aquila

[wolfgang wiehe]

hello,
someone knows this edition? is it really printed? and available?

Marco dall'Aquila: Lute Works, edited by Paul O' Dette and Maurizio Pratola, 
LIM - Libreria Musicale Italiana, Lucca 2008. 
2009?

greetings
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[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] marco dall´aquila

[wolfgang wiehe]

sorry,
i just found this:
http://www.lim.it/Catalogo_2010.pdf
page 9
##
DALL’AQUILA, MARCO. L’opera per liuto. Edizione critica. (Fonti di
Storia Musicale Abruzzese, 1). Disponibile anche in tiratura a fascicoli
separati (intavolatura e notazione moderna) per interpreti.
IN PREPARAZIONE
##



 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:27:28 +0200
 Von: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de
 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] marco dall´aquila

 hello,
 someone knows this edition? is it really printed? and available?
 
 Marco dall'Aquila: Lute Works, edited by Paul O' Dette and Maurizio
 Pratola, LIM - Libreria Musicale Italiana, Lucca 2008. 
 2009?
 
 greetings
 w.
 
 
 
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[LUTE] AW: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] marco dall´aquila

[wolfgang wiehe]

   yes I know, dear ron,

   and I know about the sources in print and the munich ms 266 and denys
   work. I am interested in the annonced edition of marco's works.

   ;-)



   wolfgang

   -Urspruengliche Nachricht-
   Von: Ron Andrico [mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com]
   Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Maerz 2010 16:51
   An: wie-w...@gmx.de; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Betreff: RE: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] marco dall'aquila

 Wolfgang and All:
 I'm sure you know about the scores of Marco's music that Arthur Ness
 has kindly posted.
 http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/id16.html
 Ron Andrico
 www.mignarda.com
  Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:10:48 +0200
  To: wie-w...@gmx.de; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  From: wie-w...@gmx.de
  Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] marco dall'aquila
 
  sorry,
  i just found this:
  http://www.lim.it/Catalogo_2010.pdf
  page 9
  ##
  DALL'AQUILA, MARCO. L'opera per liuto. Edizione critica. (Fonti di
  Storia Musicale Abruzzese, 1). Disponibile anche in tiratura a
 fascicoli
  separati (intavolatura e notazione moderna) per interpreti.
  IN PREPARAZIONE
  ##
 
 
 
   Original-Nachricht 
   Datum: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:27:28 +0200
   Von: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de
   An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Betreff: [LUTE] marco dall'aquila
 
   hello,
   someone knows this edition? is it really printed? and available?
  
   Marco dall'Aquila: Lute Works, edited by Paul O' Dette and
 Maurizio
   Pratola, LIM - Libreria Musicale Italiana, Lucca 2008.
   2009?
  
   greetings
   w.
  
  
  
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[LUTE] melchior newsidler facsimile

[wolfgang wiehe]

is online:
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00047078/images/
greetings
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[LUTE] judenkunig 1523 facsimile

[wolfgang wiehe]

and here a next digitalisat:
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00043293/images/
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[LUTE] Re: judenkunig 1523 facsimile

[wolfgang wiehe]

the other, latin judenkunig is online, too (if i remember right I posted this 
some month ago):
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00043257/images/
 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:50:03 +
 Von: Andrew Gibbs and...@publicworksoffice.co.uk
 An: Lutelist list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: judenkunig 1523 facsimile

 Thanks Wolfgang - this is beautiful. I've always liked the  
 illustration on page 3 - does anyone know if the lute player is a  
 portrait of Hans Judenkünig? Really like the hand diagrams as well.
 
 Andrew
 
 On 22 Mar 2010, at 13:20, wolfgang wiehe wrote:
 
  and here a next digitalisat:
  http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00043293/images/
  w.
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: tempos in Francesco Fantasias

[wolfgang wiehe]

Try to sing the lines! Than perhaps you feel the right tempo!
W.

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
Auftrag von Sauvage Valéry
Gesendet: Freitag, 12. März 2010 19:00
An: Lute List; Suzanne Angevine
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: tempos in Francesco Fantasias


The only thing I have in mind when I play a fantasia is my own
fantasy... No 
rules for tempo for such pieces (apart a few based on vocal models,
where 
you can follow the original song tempo)
My 2 cts...
Val

- Original Message - 
From: Suzanne Angevine suzanne.angev...@gmail.com
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 6:26 PM
Subject: [LUTE] tempos in Francesco Fantasias



 Yesterday I got out a Francesco Fantasia I hadn't played in awhile.  
 Its
 one of the easier ones, since  I'm not that advanced a player.  But I 
 thoroughly enjoyed playing it - the counterpoint, the expressiveness
of 
 it.  Later in the day I listened to a CD of a big name player doing 
 Francesco pieces.  What struck me most was the utter contrast between
what 
 I had enjoyed about playing the music, and what I heard.  Not just on
the 
 same Fantasia, but almost the entire CD was BRIGHT, and very PERKY 
 sounding.  In thinking about it, I felt that this effect was due
almost 
 entirely to the fast tempos chosen.  Now this player has exceptional 
 technique, and can play fast and cleanly.  And it is to be admitted
that 
 the CD is rather old, and may no longer represent the player's point
of 
 view on Francesco exactly.  But it got me thinking about tempos.
Someone 
 on this list recently commented that folks generally try to play too
fast. 
 Is there some actual musicological evidence somewhere that says what 
 tempos should be used?  Or do moderns just play fast because we live
in a 
 fast paced world, and playing well fast shows off our skill?  A
moderate 
 tempo on the Fantasia in question allows some time and space for 
 expression of the music to bloom, but a fast, perky tempo just makes
it 
 sound like pyrotechnic display, not what would earn a player the name
of 
 il divino.  So, any musicological evidence for proper tempos in 
 Francesco's music?

 Suzanne



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[LUTE] Re: Dalza question.

[wolfgang wiehe]

transcriptions from some early german lute mansucripts are available from
lyremusic.com
including the blindhamer manuscript
greetings
w.
###
The Art of the Lute in Renaissance Germany
Volume 1: Early Manuscripts
A collection of four articles on Renaissance German lute
music found in early German tablature manuscripts by
four different authors: John H. Robinson’s article examines
the music of Maximilian’s court organist, Paul Hofhaimer
found in early German lute sources; Denys Stephens reviews
music from the German tablature section of Wroclaw
352; Wolfgang Wiehe has transcribed some very interesting
music from Ms. 272 including Josquin’s Preter rerum
seriam; and Dick Hoban’s article examines the similarities
between two manuscripts from the 1520’s, the so called
“Adolf Blindhamer” manuscript and an obscure manuscript
now in Krakow Poland. All pieces are in French tablature
and have been transcribed from the original German tablature
manuscript sources for this publication. The book has
over 200 pages of text and music.
$35.00 plus $10.00 US postage or
$21.00 international postage
d.ho...@tcu.edu
#
 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:54:02 +0100
 Von: R. Mattes r...@mh-freiburg.de
 An: Peter Martin peter.l...@gmail.com, Lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Dalza question.

 On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 09:49:37 +0100, Peter Martin wrote
  A handsome facsimile of the Pesaro manuscript can be yours for a mere
 180 euros, plus postage and packing of course.
 
 Don't be so sarcastic. This is a high-quality full color facsimile and
 also contains (bw) facsimiles of the Kassel Fragment, the rediscovered
 Blindhammer Manuscript (Wertheim) and the Freiburg i.Ue. Fascicle as well
 as
 some minor sources. 
 For Pesaro there's also Vladimir Ivanoff ('Das Pesaro-Manuskript
 ein Beitrag zur Fru#776;hgeschichte der Lautentabulatur').
 
  HTH Ralf Mattes
 
 [1]http://www.amadeusmusic.ch/index.php
  
 (search for Pesaro)
  
 P
 On 4 March 2010 04:47, Daniel F Heiman [2]heiman.dan...@juno.com
 wrote:
  
   The two most important manuscript sources known to survive from 
  the pre-print era are known as Pesaro and Thibault. May I 
  suggest that you purchase A History of the Lute from the LSA?
   (See the website for details.) Spring is also good, but he 
  focuses pretty closely on the British Isles. Daniel Heiman
  
 On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:24:25 -0500 Christopher Stetson
 [3]cstet...@smith.edu writes:
 Hi,
 
 Thanks to all for great answers to my calata question and a good
 ensuing discussion.  It leads me to another question, that came
  up as I
 was lying in bed thinking about my upcoming program, to whit:
  are
 there any significant manuscript sources of lute tablature that
  predate
 the first printed books?
 
 Thanks again,
 
 Chris.
 
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[LUTE] frottola

[wolfgang wiehe]

what a contrast!
Io non compro più speranza
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx5GFW5lJg0
http://video.libero.it/app/play?id=f2d31fbf4ef48f5f7a9e76cc695fd75c



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[LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics?

[wolfgang wiehe]

especially for the vegetarians, vegans and those with wet finger tips.
w.

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 An: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
 CC: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
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 Gut strings must have been fantastic.  Isn't it a pity none survived so
 that no one will never know how they actually sounded?  Lucky we have these
 nice synthetics...
 
 Chris
 
 --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
 
  From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
  Subject: [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics?
  To: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net
  Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 8:13 AM
  I wholeheartedly
  agree.   The same is true for the baroque
  guitar.   Away 
  with all these synthetics.
  
  Monica
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net
  To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:00 AM
  Subject: [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and
  synthetics?
  
  
   It don't mean a thing
   If it ain't got gut strings.
   dt
  
  
   At 12:52 PM 1/26/2010, you wrote:
  Dear lutenists,
  
  the difference of touch between those two approachs
  of stringing seems to
  be a tricky business! I had (still have!;-)
  problems after years of
  synthetics in starting with gut strings, but after
  getting some 
  preliminary
  touch to gut strings, playing the synthetics with
  acceptable sound feels
  even more difficult than the move from synthetics
  to gut!
  
  Any advice? Any advice other than stay in
  gut/synthetics?
  
  Arto
  
  PS A little similiar problem arises, when you
  switch between single string
  theorbo and double course lute...
  
  PS2 recent example tries of those two
      gut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgPisQNbeZc
      synth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CwKBSjljnc
  
  
  
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[LUTE] paladin facsimile online!

[wolfgang wiehe]

http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00045521/images/

 Paladino, Giovanni P.: TABVLATVRE DE LVTZ En diuerses Sortes. COMME Chansons. 
Pauanes. Fantaisies. Gaillardes. ET LA BATAILLE Le tout Compose Par M. Iean 
Paulo Paladin Milanoys Lyon (4 Mus.pr. 158)  

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[LUTE] Re: Looking for ...

[wolfgang wiehe]

Thanks Val for sharing the facsimile. I found this:
http://www.earlygaelicharp.info/sources/straloch.htm
greetings
wolfgang
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 Datum: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:54:03 +0100
 Von: Valéry Sauvage sauvag...@orange.fr
 An: \'Stephen Fryer\' sjfr...@telus.net, \'Eugene C. Braig IV\' 
 brai...@osu.edu
 CC: \'Lute Net\' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Looking for ...

 Here is a link to a pdf of the Straloch (a copy was given to me by a
 lutenist in 1985... so as it is not published, enjoy !)
 http://www.mediafire.com/?mzjndtjq2yj
 About differences of the piece we were talking about, look for A daunce
 page 16, other version of the same tune.
 Valéry
 
 -Message d'origine-
 De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la
 part
 de Stephen Fryer
 Envoyé : mardi 5 janvier 2010 01:27
 À : Eugene C. Braig IV
 Cc : 'Lute Net'
 Objet : [LUTE] Re: Looking for ...
 
 
 Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
  I'm not certain, but I believe it is contained in this publication:
  http://openlibrary.org/b/OL11085910M/Mel_Bay_Scottish_Lute
  
  I can check my own copy when home.
 
 Thanks Eugene.  Last time I'd looked (a couple of years ago after taking 
 Ronn's class on Scottish Lute) it was out of print and I couldn't find a 
 copy.  I looks like it is available again so I'll get a copy (I already 
 have volume 2).  Not only that but you can preview it at Amazon.com.
 
 Interestingly there seem to be some differences (besides Ronn's 
 variations) between this publication and what Valérie sent.
 
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[LUTE] Re: Polish Dance.

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Did you check this? 
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00033916/images//
W.

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by Waissel on there, but i can't figure which one it is. As it is a
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[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]

[wolfgang wiehe]

hi ron,
I´ll hope you share the combinied tab with us
 I found the passamezzo here:
http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/composers/LeRoy/1568_fantaisies_et_dances/pdf/03a_passemeze.pdf
and the mensural part there:
http://arenai.free.fr/Database/Facsimile/Charda1.pdf
but I am lazy!
greetings
w.

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 Von: Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com
 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] [LUTE]

To All:
After spending insane hours dedicated to house-building in a mad
attempt to beat the snow and frozen ground, and the usual spate of
December gigs, we took the time to make a new video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT4PLrF0utc
This is a performance of Mignonne allons voir si la rose from the
poetry of Pierre Ronsard, also recorded on our CD Divine Amarillis.
The original is found only as a single melody line in Jehan
Chardavoine's _Recueil de chansons en forme de voix de ville_ (1576).
The engaging melody has often been performed with a drone, unison
doubling or simple arpeggio accompaniment.  In searching for a more
interesting mode of performance, we looked to contemporary settings of
Ronsard's poetry, and in particular, settings by Adrian Le Roy.
We discovered that the tune works with only minor adjustments to Le
Roy's Passemeze harmonization and, since LeRoy set several other poems
by Ronsard in a similar manner, we feel our setting is historically
justifiable.
Happy Christmas to all.
Ron  Donna
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[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte

[wolfgang wiehe]

I heard a liuto forte this year at our DLG meeting on Burg
Sternberg. Hmm, not louder than my g-lute...;-)
Greetings
W.

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Auftrag von terli...@aol.com
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 19:41
An: r.turov...@verizon.net; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte


OR suitable for a guitarist who is NOT sick of the guitar repertoire!
.. and is happy with finger nails.


Roman, Did you go to the the demonstration of the liuto forte hat
occurred at the Met Museum a year or 3 ago?


I missed it.


Mark Delpriora



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To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 11:51 am
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte


It is a single-strung lute and guitar hybrid designed by Andre Burguete,
that aproximates lute sound while purporting to have the volume of the
guitar. It uses nylon overspun with fine steel wire, and has some
interesting and useful peculiarities in the bridge and soundboard
construction. 
Fixed metal frets are supposedly less dampening to the sound
(negligibly). 
This technology might yield a nice and loud theorbo in ET. 
But one really misses the overtone palette of double strings. 
It is a very suitable instrument for a guitarist who is sick of the
guitar repertoire, but is unwilling to part with his nails. 
 
http://www.liuto-forte.com/ 
There are a number of notable converts to it: Oliver Holzenburg, Luciano
Contini et al. 
RT 
 
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dwinh...@comcast.net 
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 11:31 AM 
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte 
 
 Alright,  I'll bite- What in God's name is Liuto Forte? (I must have
 been out of the office for this one) 
 thanks,  Dan 
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[LUTE] Re: New recording by Lislevand

[wolfgang wiehe]

I agree, andreas.
For me his vestiva i colli version is really awfully. In contrast
arianna savall´s interpretation of vestiva i colli on the cd vergine
bella with il desidrerio is much better.
Greetings
Wolfgang


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Auftrag von Andreas Schroth
Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Dezember 2009 19:13
An: Edward Martin
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: New recording by Lislevand


I must confess, three quarters of the recording are for my ears Kitsch, 
especially the Capirola  Mudarra with their whispering accompaniment. 
Naturally Lislevands playing  and tone are superb. But I dislike the 
enlargement or magnification or blow-up of our old decent lutepices.

Andreas
 There is a new CD by Rolf Lislevand  his group:

 Diminuito
 ECN New Series B0013355-02

 There are many similarities with his Nuove Musiche recording... same 
 group, same label, but a different theme.  This theme is the Italian 
 renaissance, and it contains works of Capirola, Francesco, Dalza, 
 Terzi, Ortiz, Mudarra, among others.

 As expected, the performance is first rate, with fabulous musicality, 
 creativity, ingenuity and thought.  It is a great listening 
 experience, to those who admire Lislevand's work.  Count me as one of 
 them.

 it is available from most musical outlets, such as Amazon 
 http://www.amazon.com/Diminuito-Rolf-Lislevand/dp/B002JVHEGG/ref=sr_1_
 1?ie=UTF8s=musicqid=1259692768sr=1-1

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[LUTE] Re: Double headed lute pic?

[wolfgang wiehe]

This lute is present in other pictures of van mieris:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Brothel_Scene_1658_Fr
ans_van_Mieris.jpg
Or here?:
http://www.nga.gov/press/exh/228/assets/228-012-lrg.jpg
http://images.artnet.com/images_US/magazine/reviews/karlins/karlins3-16-
9.jpg
W.


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Auftrag von Mathias Rösel
Gesendet: Sonntag, 22. November 2009 18:00
An: Lute Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double headed lute pic?


Thank you, Morgan, this is marvelous. Never mind the explanation of the
double headed lute, but I've never before heard someone explain the art
of painting in such a physical way.

Mathias

morgan cornwall mcornw...@ns.sympatico.ca schrieb:
 Stuart,
 
 this may help:
 
 Van Mieris - Self Portrait from the Uffizi Gallery
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FdSIys2XfI
 
 regards,
 morgan
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com
 To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 4:37 PM
 Subject: [LUTE] Double headed lute pic?
 
 
 I came across this image recently - possibly a chap playing a
  double-headed lute. So (?) Dutch or English?  Perhaps it's from a 
  well-known painting? I only had a camera phone and it was shot at an

  angle to avoid the flash glaring against the glass. I've cropped the

  writing underneath- but you can't see it clearly anyway - it says 
  something like 'micris' with some kind of diacritical twiddle over
the 
  letter c (if it is a c).
  
  http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/dhlute.jpg
  
  
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[LUTE] Le Roy: branle...moy pitie

[wolfgang wiehe]

hello,
not directly lute-related. werner sent me a copy of leroy: branle simple. 
n´aurez vous point de moy pitie. a very, very nice branle. brown gives in his 
bibliography under 1551/3 the second part: le branle precedent plus diminue. 
has someone a copy for me of this part?
thanks
wolfgang and his renaissance-uke



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[LUTE] Re: judenkünig facsimile online

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another facsimile is now online!

http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00043257/images/

greetings
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[LUTE] Re: Virdung

[wolfgang wiehe]

thanks!
the digital lute collection grows!
wonderful!
w.
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 Betreff: [LUTE] Virdung

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[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles

[wolfgang wiehe]

now here is the pdf-solution:
use this links
http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031681nr=1
http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00032067nr=1
http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031731nr=1
http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031633nr=1
greetings
wolfgang
p.s. I think they forgotten the pdf-button



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 Von: Spring, aus dem, Rainer rspringaus...@tee.toshiba.de
 An: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
 lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles

 Any idea how to download as pdf?
 
 When you right-click on a picture it says you should use the pdf download
 which I cant find...
 
 
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 Behalf Of wolfgang wiehe
 Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 3:54 PM
 To: T.Kakinami; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
 
 between more lute manuscripts are online:
 
 # munich mus. ms. 266 (with marco fascicle)
 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031681/images/
 
 # munich mus. ms. 267
 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00032067/images/
 
 # munich mus. ms. 1512
 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031633/images/
 
 # munich mus. ms. 272
 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031731/images/
 it seems to be something wrong with this last digitalisat, go to
 miniaturansicht and than backwards.
 
 greetings
 wolfgang
 
 
 
 
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  Datum: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:19:49 +0900
  Von: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp
  An: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Betreff: [LUTE] Facsimiles
 
  Facsimiles from Diditale Bibliothek, Munchener DigitalisierungsZentrum
  are introduced.
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[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles

[wolfgang wiehe]

yes, the munich BSB is a treasure house. but the quality of the 267 digitalisat 
is poor.
# (How did you find out how to do it?)
I tried a pdf-download with the bakfark-print, there is a pdf-button and looked 
at the url-structure for a moment... :-)
w.

 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:38:10 +0100
 Von: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com
 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles

 Great!
 
 Thanks a *LOT* Wolfgang! :) (How did you find out how to do it?)
 
 The BSB is proving to be quite a treasure trove for us lute aficionados!
 
 If only Paris and London would follow suite...
 
 G.
 - Original Message - 
 From: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de
 To: Spring, aus dem, Rainer rspringaus...@tee.toshiba.de; 
 lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:06 PM
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
 
 
  now here is the pdf-solution:
  use this links
  http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031681nr=1
  http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00032067nr=1
  http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031731nr=1
  http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031633nr=1
  greetings
  wolfgang
  p.s. I think they forgotten the pdf-button
 
 
 
   Original-Nachricht 
  Datum: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:50:01 +0100
  Von: Spring, aus dem, Rainer rspringaus...@tee.toshiba.de
  An: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
  lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
 
  Any idea how to download as pdf?
 
  When you right-click on a picture it says you should use the pdf
 download
  which I cant find...
 
 
  Best wishes,
 
  Rainer aus dem Spring 
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: Brazilian duet a la Dowland

[wolfgang wiehe]

wowo! wow!
 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: 22 Oct 2009 07:48 GMT
 Von: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de
 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Brazilian duet a la Dowland

 Daniel F Heiman heiman.dan...@juno.com schrieb:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcsSPzr7ays
 
 WOW!!!
 -- 
 Best,
 
 Mathias
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: Newbie needs to know - where buy a lute and what type?

[wolfgang wiehe]

hi,
I can recommend renatus´ lutes! I have a 7-c-lute since many years and I´m very 
pleased with sound and his handcraft. hear the lute on:
http://www.esnips.com/doc/1ecd4c56-60b6-4509-8bd1-aaa19121f44e/In-te-Domine-speravi
see the fotos:
this is now my lute (really mine!).
http://www.renatus-lechner.de/Bilder/instrumente/gerle.htm
greetings
w.

 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:40:49 +0200
 Von: Christian Aretz car...@web.de
 An: jrphe...@windstream.net, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Newbie needs to know - where buy a lute and what type?

 Joe, 
 
 I dealt with the same problem - as many of these people here did once. The
 difference is: My search began just 1 year ago - and a lot of things have
 changed :-)
 
 First of all I began with that Pakistan lute which is about 400 EUR but
 not worth anything indeed. ;-)
 
 What I found in the meantime is the following: 
 
 Renaissance lute (by Renatus Lechner) for 999 EUR - www.lautenbau.de (see
 Einfache Modelle)
 
 I ordered a 7c. lute last year and will recieve it on friday :-)
 
 
 And there are many more luthiers that build student lutes: 
 
 www.apizzico.de (1300 EUR)
 
 http://www.renzosalvador.be/en/lutetu.html (1600 EUR)
 
 http://www.zupfinstrumente-emmerich.de (1600 EUR)
 
 This is the situation in Europe...
 
 Best wishes, 
 Christian
 
 
 
 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: jrphe...@windstream.net
 Gesendet: 30.09.09 00:52:14
 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Newbie needs to know - where buy a lute and what type?
 
 Hi all:
 
 First of all, thanks for all the advice on finding a lute teacher
 I received so many helpful replies that I can't reply individually right
 now...but again much thanks and I am pursuing your advice.
 
 Secondly:  I don't have a lute, and am a senior living on social security,
 new lutes, and used lutes are expensive, thousands of dollars..
 what is your advice on buying a lute for a newbie like me?
 My interests are renaissance and baroque music,
 and there are so many different types of lutes out there.
 
 thanks again for your help and advice
 
 Nebraska Joe
 
 
 
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[LUTE] la paduana del re

[wolfgang wiehe]

Hello all,
I heard the wonderful paduana del re on renaissance guitar by massimo
lonardi. The source is british library royal app. 59-62. has someone a
tabulature?
Greetings
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[LUTE] Re: Ukulele and Renaissance Guitar

[wolfgang wiehe]

sounds very good, werner! I think ursabella will enjoy your new tool!
w.



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[LUTE] lute, the magic instrument

[wolfgang wiehe]

hi all, 

a friend of mine send this festival-information to me:
http://www.tff-rudolstadt.de/english/e_htm/e_09/magic.htm

this years special: lutes 

Chordophones, string instruments, are usually divided in two categories: bowed 
and plucked instruments. The best known bowed chordophone is the violin; the 
family of lutes belongs to the plucked chordophones. Att TFF09, we deal with 
the sub-family of short-neck lutes, i.e. those instruments whose neck is 
decidedly shorter than the body. The best known representative in Europe is the 
(medieval) lute which – as its relatives in China (pi’pa), Japan (biwa), Greece 
(laouto) or Hungary (mandora) – is most likely a progeny of the Arabian ‘ud 
whereas the baroque mandoline was developed later as a bastard between a 
classical lute of the Baroque period and the Neapolitan mandoline of the time. 
The Swedish mandora is a bass lute developed in the 1990s.

The majority of these instruments share the same features: double strings, 
vaulted body, and a pegbox at right angle to the neck. They ask for virtuoso 
playing, and the visitors of TFF09 will get this from

Géza Fábri (HUN), kobza
Daniel Fredriksson (SWE), mandora
Katsia Prakopchyk (BLR), baroque mandoline
Adel Salameh (PAL), ’ud
Dimitris Varelopoulos (GRE), laouto
Zhong YuFeng (TWN), pi’pa, moon guitar

special guests
Naziha Azzouz (ALG), vocals
Tünde Ivanovics (SER/HUN), vocals
Michael Metzler (DEU), percussion



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[LUTE] Sampson ms: packingtoune galiarde

[wolfgang wiehe]

Dear Collective Wisdom,
Since some days I played some music from the sampson lute book again
after a long time. In this ms packington´s galliard is decorated with a
lot of graces (the following pieces for 2 lutes by the same hand are not
decorated with graces), in the marsh ms not. In julia´s thesis, this
piece is allways attributed as a part of a lute duet. But I think the
sampson version stands for ist own as a solo piece. What is your
opinion?

Thank you in advance,

wolfgang


   






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[LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature?

[wolfgang wiehe]

You can see this denss florilegium with the handwritten pieces online:
http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/~db/0003/bsb00031268/images/index.html

Greetings
W.


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
Auftrag von Stephan Olbertz
Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Mai 2009 19:36
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature?


I seem to recall some handwritten pieces on the blank staves of Denss'
Florilegium, in the copy which was used for the Tree Edition selection.
There must be some more fragments, someone suggested the name
Valencinian tablature because there seem to be connections to Valencia
other than through Luis Milan.

Ragards,

Stephan



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Von: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com
Gesendet: 07.05.09 19:50:54
An: lutelist Net Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature?

I suppose I would have made it easier for everyone, particularly Reinier
de Valk, if I'd asked the actual question I'm trying to answer, which is
whether Milan's tablature can correctly be called unique.

On May 7, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Stewart McCoy wrote:

 There are four short pieces for the four-course guitar in Barberiis' 
 _Libro Decimo_ (venice, 1549). The pieces are described as Fantasie 
 per sonar sopra la Chitara da sette corde. The tablature for all the 
 lute pieces in the book is Italian, but it is Spanish/ Milan tablature

 for the guitar pieces.

Thus dispatching unique.


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[LUTE] Re: Josquin

[wolfgang wiehe]

Hi,
John H Robinson posted his list from 1997 Lute intabulations of music
by Josquin in prints and manuscripts to the lute list some years ago.
I have a paper copy.
Wolfgang w.

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Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. April 2009 18:20
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Josquin


On Tue, Apr 7, 2009, ariel abramovich g_abramo...@hotmail.com said:

 Dear friends,
 
 
 This subject may have been discussed already...
 
 Is there any available list with references to all existent Josquin
 intabulations for lute?

online? maybe, lots of stuff online.

A dated, but thorough list is likely to exist in every music library

H M Brown _instrumental Music printed before 1600_, not in print
anymore, but copies can be found and are worth having as most of the
renaissance lutes repetoire is indexed in it.

but not Ms music unfortunatly, for that you have to look elsewhere, a
work in progress as some of the little hampsters are yet to be
discovered, and some librarys have been slow to cooperate with the RISM
project.  There have been editions of josquin, as I'm sure you are
aware.

Please note that intabulations are a funny thing, as much the work of
the person who set them down as the original composer; not always
strongly faithful to the original.  In many cases Josquin was himself
taking anothers work(s) as his inspiration as was common practice in his
era; makes it challenging to do attributions.

Attributions in printed works must of course be taken with a grain or
two of salt as the Name Josquin was such a selling point that the truth
was often stretched.

-- 
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[LUTE] Re: Good 2009

[wolfgang wiehe]

Pling plong plung is my answer to the coming year. Hope we´ll make music
like this year in hamburg, burg sternberg or kotzbus!
wo

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Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Dezember 2008 18:50
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Good 2009


To all crisis ridden vocal, flute and string players in the world, May
you all (except Igor) master the coming year like he is doing in this
video. With creativity, talent and not 
least, humor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAg5KjnAhuU

Pling
 we




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To All:
In the spirit of the holidays, and because we were snowbound for a
few
days last week, we have added a few videos to our youtube page.
The
videos were an experiment with no enhancements, and some are from a
live concert in honor of St. Lucy's Day, and the rest from our
snowy
home. Happy holidays to all.
http://www.youtube.com/user/lutesongs
Ron Andrico  Donna Stewart
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[LUTE] Re: Seasonal Greetings

[wolfgang wiehe]

Wonderful!

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Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Dezember 2008 17:28
An: Lute Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Seasonal Greetings



Sweet!


On Dec 26, 2008, at 3:40 AM, G. Crona wrote:

 Francesco Duet at:

 http://www.sgls.nu/media/film/Luta_05.ram

 MC

 G.



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[LUTE] Re: Belle qui tiens ma vie

[wolfgang wiehe]

here is a facsimile of the pavan:
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=musdifileName=219/musdi219.dbrecNum=61

w.
 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:33:26 -
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 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Belle qui tiens ma vie

 On Tue, Sep 2, 2008, Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 
  | Of course, you'll want to learn how to dance Belle qui tiens,  as 
  well.
 
 As this is a typical pavan, it is entirely possible for the dancers to
 sing while dancing and the band to dance while playing; I have done both.
 
 -- 
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[LUTE] Re: Much Ado About Nothing - Music

[wolfgang wiehe]

i sent fiamenga from the original (!) chilesotti book yesterday.
w.

 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Tue, 06 May 2008 22:55:49 +0200
 Von: adS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 An: 
 CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Much Ado About Nothing - Music

 Peter Jones-RR wrote:
  Dear List,
  
  Following your assistance in tracking down music for the production of
  Much Ado in which I star as Background Lute Player No 1, I turn to the
  collected wisdom again in an attempt to find some more music that I have
  been asked to play for the production.
  
  Does anyone have a copy of either:
  
  'Fiamengo' - anon. Italian c.1590 - Chilesotti Lutebook
 
 Has anybody sent the piece?
 
 I have a XEROX copy of Chilesotti's book.
 
 
  
  'Green Garters' - anon.
 
 Hm,
 there is a duet treble
 
   Greene Garters [index:] Green Garters.
 
 in Dd.3.18.
 
 No idea if this is what you are looking for...
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: Lute Festival Regensburg 2008

[wolfgang wiehe]

if someone likes to see some fotos from regenburg and the festival, please 
visit:
http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157604427604380/
greetings
wolfgang

 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:09:30 +0200
 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Lute Festival Regensburg 2008

 On Friday my day started with picking up the rest of the swiss lute
 players to j
 oin this year's trip to the lute festival of the german lute society which
 took
 place in Regensburg.
 We missed the first events due to a traffic jam which we regreted because
 Pietro
  Prosser played on a original Galichon. Knowing his playing from previous
 lute f
 estivals I was very keen on listening to his playing - and the Galichon!
 We also missed the lecture about the restauration of the instrument which
 follow
 ed the concert.
 So instead we made our first experiences with franconian foot (and beer).
 Afterw
 ards we were in best mood for the concerts of the evening.
 So we first heart a recital by Bart Roose (from Bruegge)
 who played music by Hans Newsidler on his entirely gut strung lute by
 Peter Van
 Wonterghem after Hans Frei. I tend to tell H. Newsidler's music german
 (with t
 ongue in cheek). Bart's playing was fine, smooth and calm although he has
 choose
 n some of the demanding pieces from H.Newsidler's print from 1536. This
 recital
 offered a new look at Hans Newsidler's music. The reaction of several
 concert li
 steners prooved that Bart raised interest into this repertoire.
 The final recital was by Lee Santana who played a mix of his own music,
 Dowland,
  Holborne and Francesco da Milano on Tenor-Lute, Cittern and Alto Lute. I
 liked
 the sound of his Alto lute by Ivo Magherini (although it was completly out
 of tu
 ne which made it hard to bear listening to Francesco's fine
 music).
 We ended the evening at a very nice restaurant in Regensburg which was
 built in
 a gothic room.
 The next day we started visiting the exhibition of instruments and music.
 I was
 so surprised and happy to meet Frak-Peter Dietrich and his wife who
 spontanous d
 ecided to show some of their instruments on the exhibition. Frank-Peter
 has buil
 t my very first lute and I have several of his instruments. Soon after the
 chat
 I detected Philippe Mottet-Rio who has built my new love: my new swan neck
 baroq
 ue lute.
 I just said Hello to Beppo Kreisel as I saw an instrument on his table
 which r
 aised my interest: A double-headed baroque lute he has copied from the
 instrumen
 t in Fuessen. It was not just me who enjoyed this instrument because Beppo
 recei
 ved a lot of
 orders. Mine won't be ready until end of 2009 (after the usual day to
 sleep on i
 t I decided that one cannot have enough baroque lutes)!
 The first lecture of the day was introduced by Albert Reyermann fromm TREE
 editi
 ons who will publish the manuscript AN62 from the episcopal library in
 Regensbur
 g. The manuscript was then verbally introduced by Francois-Pierre Goy and
 musica
 lly by Anthony Bailes.
 Francois-Pierre's talk was well-informed and peppered with detailed
 knowledge of
  the sources. Anthony Bailes playing made this manuscripts even more
 attractive
 (although I think he could play a scale and it would be a fascinating
 sound expe
 rience). Albert Reyermann said the manuscript (which will be published in
 modern
  transcription) would be on the easier side of the baroque
 repertoire. I just took a look and could not verify this information with
 own ex
 pirience (i.e. playing the music - tablature *always* looks easy).
 This lecture was followed by a lecture of Bart Roose and Peter Van
 Wonterghem ab
 out Hans Newsidler and the lute Bart is playing. This lecture was very
 interesti
 ng and improved the raising interest in Hans Newsidler's music and in both
 lectu
 reres. I just got this information by a friend who enthusiastically
 reported abo
 ut this lecture - as I missed it I cannot tell more details.
 I also missed the following lecture by Werner on Strauch about tunings
 and temp
 eraments which I already heard a while ago. Werner has profund knowledge
 about
 the tunings and how to apply them on a lute.
 The highlight of the events of
 this afternoon was the entertainment by Dr. Frank Legl and Anthony
 Bailes who
 presented a musical travel with Johann Friedrich Armand von Uffenbach.
 Pictures were thrown on the wall, texts by Uffenbach presented (and
 petulantly c
 ommented) by Frank. Anthony played music from Vieux gaultier to S.L. Weiss
 which
  alone would make the afternoon a success - but the combination of word,
 humour,
  pictures and music made the fun complete.
 The concerts of this evening were by Lynda Sayce and Claire Antonini.
 I was eagerly looking forward to Lynda's performance of english music of
 the 17t
 h century. And ... she topped all my high experiences! With great
 sensitivity, w
 ell structured, highly virtuous and with beautiful tone (on a lute by
 David 

[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness

[wolfgang wiehe]

I bought a copy some years ago and i paid less than 100€ for it in a
antiquarian book seller in berlin. There was a surprize in the book (i
didn´t know it before):
Look at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2345788335/
Greetings
Wolfgang, a proud owner!



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[LUTE] WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326

[wolfgang wiehe]

 
-Ursprungliche Nachricht-
Von: E lucevan le stelle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Marz 2008 13:34
An: E lucevan le stelle
Betreff: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326


Charles Mouton lute music by Franco Pavan EL 082326

Dear friends of Music, 
we are very proud to present you a wonderful recording:
http://www.elucevanlestelle.com/le-mouton-fabuleux/
Best regards from 
E lucevan le stelle Records


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[LUTE] Re: Amateur recordings and esnips

[wolfgang wiehe]

hello,
seems to me, that esnips solved the problem. my folder lautenklang works 
again in firefox.
http://www.esnips.com/web/lautenklang
greetings
wolfgang



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[LUTE] Re: Amateur recordings

[wolfgang wiehe]

moin valery,
very good playing and recording!
it seems to me, that we have now a little zoom H2 group here. 
the quality of the recorded lute sound is amazingly.
greetings
wolfgang
p.s. i used the zoom h2 for our players meeting in hamburg last weekend.
in 120° option i recorded voices, lutes, recorders and a krummhorn, very 
authentic sound!




 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:26:33 +0100
 Von: Valéry Sauvage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Amateur recordings

 Hello,
 
 Back on this list...
 I'd like to present some recordings I made with my brand new zoom h2...
 (nice machine !)
 http://pagesperso-orange.fr/luthval/musiques/packington.mp3
 http://pagesperso-orange.fr/luthval/musiques/what-if-a-day.mp3
 
 For those watching my videos on Youtube, now I'll record again with this
 sound quality (as the existing ones are very poor sound recorded I'm
 afraid... So I'll delete the old ones soon...
 
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[LUTE] Re: Amateur recordings

[wolfgang wiehe]

I bought mine in a german online store for 199€ all inclusive.
www.musik-produktiv.com 
Greetings
wolfgang

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Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Februar 2008 12:43
An: Lute Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Amateur recordings


Martin Shepherd écrit:
  there are now so many of us with the Zoom H2 we should share our
 experiences with this machine.

I'm thinking of getting one also. Where are the best buys in Europe?

Thanks,

Dennis




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[LUTE] Re: true amateurs

[wolfgang wiehe]

same here,
i am a member at esnips, but i can not open a file in the moment. seems an 
esnips-internal problem.
greetings
wolfgang
http://www.esnips.com/web/lautenklang
http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:17:54 -0600
 Von: Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 An: Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jelma van Amersfoort [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]
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 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: true amateurs

 I was unable to open it, just as the others are reporting.
 
 ed
 
 At 08:04 AM 2/28/2008 -0500, Daniel Shoskes wrote:
 Same for me. A Mac hostile site!
 
 Mathias and Thomas, if you want to email me the files using something
 like sendit, I could host them for a time on my ftp site to allow the
 lute Mac world to download them.
 
 Danny
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: a la guerra

[wolfgang wiehe]

perhaps it is better to use this link:
http://www.esnips.com/doc/259c8ba2-158e-4959-9093-6e6511e26f86/a-la-guer
ra
thanks to mathias roesel, the proud father of rebekka. she is a
wonderful little girl!
by the way the recording in hamburg was made with my zoom h2, about 5
meters away
w.
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Von: wolfgang wiehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Februar 2008 21:55
An: 'lute@cs.dartmouth.edu'
Betreff: a la guerra



dear friends,
i just added a tabulatur to my esnips-folder with a la guerra from the
bossinensis 1509. we added for our players weekend in cottbus october
2007 the missed altus from a manuscript. so the original imitatory
textur is now clearly visible. we performed it with a singer, a tenor
recorder and a lute. a great fun!
http://www.esnips.com/SharedFolderAction.ns
greetings
wolfgang w.


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[LUTE] Re: Video: Banchieri: Barca di Venetia per Padova

[wolfgang wiehe]

Hey,
The banchieri video is a great fun! Applause!!! 5 stars: *
W.

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An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Video: Banchieri: Barca di Venetia per Padova



Dear gang,

in the Google Video address
   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7054543506483973843
you'll find a real drama, actually a madrigal comedy  (and especially
without too many pixels ;-)

My explanation there says:

This staged version of Adriano Banchieri's Barca di Venetia per Padova
was performed by ensemble Köyhät Ritarit (Poor Knights) in the 
Ritarihuone (old House of Finnish Nobility) in spring 2000. Nearly all
of the pieces are included - the length of the video is little less than
30 minutes. The short speeches between the pieces are in Finnish, but
songs are of course in Italian. The archlute Arto Wikla is playing is
made by Stephen Barber 1987.

All the best,

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[LUTE] Re: video ratings

[wolfgang wiehe]

and
www.esnips.com
w.
 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:42:00 +0100
 Von: Lute [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 An: \'David Tayler\' [EMAIL PROTECTED], \'lute-cs.dartmouth.edu\' 
 lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: video ratings

 Dear David,
 
 You seemed to have missed MySpace.
 
 All the best
 Mark
 
 www.myspace.com/pantagruelian
 
 
 
 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: David Tayler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 00:22
 An: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] video ratings
 
 Time for the six month review and ratings for sites that host video,
 specially
 geared to the lute and its unique sound.
 Ratings involve sound, video quality, ease of use, statistics 
 counters, and the abilty to embed the code in a web page, so you 
 can make your own video pages, or use the video easily on blogs.
 In addition, especially important for longer lutes, widescreen 
 options are considered.
 
 The winners:
 
 **
 youtube:
 The 800 kilo gorilla. Attracts the most audience.
 Pros: none, except name recognition.
 
 Cons: this is older tech that was poor for music to begin with. The 
 audio codecs have even gotten worse, and they were not great to start
 with.
 Buggy window aperture resizing--makes things look squished for no reason.
 Grainy video. The tech will probably be updated, but for now it is 
 pretty soggy. The code can be embedded, but there are better options.
 
 **
 google:
 same as above: easy to find; hard on the ears
 
 
 vimeo:
 This is the place to start. In addition to video and audio that is 
 superior to youtube, vimeo offers 720p
 higher def (not true high def) which is a vast improvement.
 The integration into the flash streaming model is very good, giving 
 to end user lots of viewing options.
 In addition, true widescreen with freely resizeable windows is 
 available. This is a huge plus in designing websites.
 H264 codecs are supported, along with the usual ones. User interface 
 is good on both ends.
 Finally, vimeo makes the entire file available for high definition 
 viewing from your hard drive for the best possible viewing experience.
 (Use the VLC player intstead of quicktime)
 
 Here are some medium definition videos on Vimeo, you can compare it to
 youtube
 http://www.vimeo.com/690338
 http://www.vimeo.com/691700
 
 Cons: Although the embedding features are superb, you only get High 
 definition from the website.
 Embedded video is standard definition.
 Nonetheless, the SD is very good, and you can link through to the 
 site. HD embedded will arrive as an upgrade at some point.
 
 
 Stage6
 Stage6 has the best quality, period. The downside is that if you 
 upload a big file, playback can be slow. Embedding options do not work
 well.
 Nonetheless, if you record your audio separately, you can post it in 
 CD quality, or very high bitrate MP3--either way, it will sound much 
 better, and it will be in rock solid stereo instead of mono.
 Stage6 also allows you to download the file for home playback :).
 Lastly, Stage6 accepts true high def, but the viewer would have to 
 download it, since streaming is not that reliable.
 Cons: High bandwidth, buggy uploads.
 
 Ifilm
 Ifilm has both good video and sound, but it does not embed widescreen
 properly.
 This was one of the best choices till vimeo upgraded their flash engines.
 
 Best of luck and happy video.
 dt
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

[wolfgang wiehe]

 In fact, there are markings in  
the tablature that we take as standard indications that call for  
separation of vertically-arranged notes.

Are these markings in historical tabulatures too? I do not remember i
saw one.
wolfgang

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Von: David Rastall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Januar 2008 16:09
An: Andrew Gibbs
Cc: Stewart McCoy; Lute Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)


On Jan 31, 2008, at 4:39 AM, Andrew Gibbs wrote:

 ..but do you think the occasional (and tasteful) spreading of chords 
 is a bad or non-HIP thing?

No, not really.  As long as it's not done to excess.  Rolling too  
many chords in a piece tends to muddy up the counterpoint and blur  
the rhythm.  But there are times when a chord has to be spread:  a  
chord consisting of five or six notes obviously has to be rolled, and  
it's perfectly legitimate to play a chord with the right-hand thumb  
moving down over the bass note(s) and the index finger moving up  
backwards over the higher strings.  In fact, there are markings in  
the tablature that we take as standard indications that call for  
separation of vertically-arranged notes.

David R
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[LUTE] Re: Amateur Recording

[wolfgang wiehe]

I use a freeware program which is called switch, coverts a lot of
audio-formats
Wolfgang

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Von: Anthony Hind [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Montag, 21. Januar 2008 23:08
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Amateur Recording


Amadeus for MAC, a very superior audio tool. The pro model allows you  
to record almost directly to CD.
Anthony

Le 21 janv. 08 à 23:01, Roman Turovsky a écrit :


 I wonder if there is a freeware program that converts WAV files
 to mp3?

 Stuart
 AUDACITY.
 RT
 Passed it through SoundForge for volume and reverb, and Audacity
 for compression.
 http://turovsky.org/music/arndt.mp3
 RT



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[LUTE] Re: recording with ZOOM H2

[wolfgang wiehe]

Thanks anthony for your kind words,
It is very exciting to have such a new and easy tool and to hear my own
lute-playing from distance with all such terrible noices, non-fluency,
rhythmical errors, lost middle voices and so on...but it is a chance...
I tried to record by mic directly on the laptop but that works not well,
to much handling, bad results...
greetings
W.


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Von: Anthony Hind [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Januar 2008 23:10
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: recording with ZOOM H2


Yes, finally worked once on Safari, and the lute did seem very clear  
for Mp3, on the Lochamer Liederbuch piece, which comes over very well.
  Thanks for the tip Eric, and to Wolfgang for allowing us to hear  
it. However, I was not able to repeat theoperation a second time, so  
there is still an incompatibility with esnips and MAC.
Anthony

Le 13 janv. 08 à 22:43, Eric Crouch a écrit :

 In Safari, click on the link above the files that says 'Listen'. It
 plays the three tracks in order. The sound is very impressive!

 Eric Crouch



 On 13 Jan 2008, at 21:33, Gernot Hilger wrote:

 Ed,

 this is a non-Mac site. I tried all my browsers to no avail. Sorry!

 g

 On 13.01.2008, at 16:52, Ed Durbrow wrote:

 When I click on a piece it takes me to another window. Do you
 have to
 join just to listen?

 On Jan 13, 2008, at 7:31 AM, Daniel F Heiman wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 hi all,
 if someone is interested. i got the ZOOM 2H today and did my first

 recording (work in progress :-). it is easy to handle. look at: 
 http://www.esnips.com/web/lautenklang/

 Ed Durbrow
 Saitama, Japan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[LUTE] recording with ZOOM H2

[wolfgang wiehe]

hi all,
if someone is interested. i got the ZOOM 2H today and did my first
recording (work in progress :-). it is easy to handle. look at:
http://www.esnips.com/web/lautenklang/
greetings
w.

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[LUTE] Re: Finery Filth...

[wolfgang wiehe]

Is this thread really lute related?
If not: stop it
W

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Christopher Stetson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Januar 2008 23:23
An: Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Finery  Filth...


And a fine tradition it is!

Great emoticon, BTW.

C.

 Ray Brohinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/4/2008 3:08 pm 
Actually, more than a few latter-day Puritan descendents still keep up
the tradition. 8^)

On Jan 4, 2008 3:01 PM, Christopher Stetson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Yes, and Puritan ministers apparently often married couples, my 
 ancestors likely among them, who were already pregnant (please forgive

 my logically indefensible, but modernly popular and grammatically 
 expedient shortcut!) or even with children.  However, it must be noted

 that the theory was, to the best of my knowledge, that in the eyes of 
 God the connubial act was what created (consummated) the marriage, 
 and the church ceremony simply recognized it and made it public.  If 
 the ceremony could take place before the consummation, great.  But if 
 not...


  Guy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/4/2008 2:11 pm 
 The Puritans approved, after all, of the practice of bundling (at 
 least, they did in colonial Massachusetts, I'm not sure about 
 elsewhere).

 -Original Message-
 From: Christopher Stetson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:26 AM
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Finery  Filth...

 Hi, all,
 Hey, let's not perpetuate the Victorian myth that the Puritans didn't 
 like sex, and even probably laugh at the occasional bawdy joke.  There

 wouldn't be nearly so many of us Puritan descendants if that were the 
 case! Blasphemy, (which is now, of course, ok!) no, but bawdiness (now

 not ok), yes.  As my Renaissance dance teacher told us way back when, 
 if the ministers and priests were preaching against something, you can

 be pretty sure a lot of people were doing it. Best to all,
 C.


  Andrew Gibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/4/2008 8:52 am 
 He's going to perform his one man show _Finery and Filth_ at the next 
 Lute Society (UK) meeting on the 19th. Apparently it _contains lyrics 
 not suitable for those of a Puritan disposition_. Sounds like my kind 
 of thing.

 Andrew

 On 4 Jan 2008, at 13:37, Ron Fletcher wrote:

  I was watching local TV-news last night when there was a feature on 
  an Elizabethan period performer from Lincolnshire.
 
  He has recently discovered a book of 'bawdy drinking-songs' written 
  by Henry Purcell, a composer we would not readily associate with 
  this type of music.
 
 
 
  Dante Ferrara is an early-music performer on cittern and hurdy- 
  gurdy, which should be of interest to several readers here.  He has 
  just released a CD
  Bazimakoo.
 
 
 
  http://www.danteferrara.co.uk/
 
 
 
  One page has several video-clips of his performances, which will 
  delight I'm sure.
 
  There's even one using an open-strung chitaronne.
 
 
 
  BTW I had not heard of this guy before.  Has he been on this list?
 
 
 
  Best Wishes
 
 
 

  Ron (UK)
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: Spinacino online

[wolfgang wiehe]

Dear denys,
Do you noticed differences to the minkoff facsimile?
By the way:
E lucevan le stelle just published their spinacino cd.
Greetings
Wolfgang w. ,  member of the 7-c renaissance lute group! My one and
only...

http://www.elucevanlestelle.com/musicstore/website/it/index.php?section_
name=music_store_item_showarticle_obj_id=416article_category=CD

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Denys Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Samstag, 1. Dezember 2007 00:26
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Spinacino online


Dear All,
The digital facsimile of the two Spinacino books has gone online today
as John Griffiths said it would in a mailing to the list a while ago:
 
 
http://www.cesr.univ-tours.fr/ricercar/luth/corpus/corpus_luthistes.php

http://www.cesr.univ-tours.fr/ricercar/luth/corpus/corpus_luthistes.php
 
The online view seems to be not functioning correctly but the option to
download the complete volume in PDF format works perfectly. The PDF
contains both books, so you only need to download it once.
 
It's a great gift to the lute world, and a fine way to honour the 500th
anniversary of the first printed lute books. Great thanks are due to all
who made this possible.
 
Best wishes,
 
Denys


 
http://www.cesr.univ-tours.fr/Ricercar/luth/corpus/fiche_source.php?id_
sour
ce=1 

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[LUTE] Re: Spinacino

[wolfgang wiehe]

what a wonderful video and what a wonderful CD-label.
w.

http://www.elucevanlestelle.com/musicstore/website/it/index.php?section_name=music_store_item_listarticle_category=CD



 
  Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:40:06 +0100
 Von: G. Crona [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Spinacino
 
 Tasty, timely  tactful
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXIEE0_L9Pk
 
 
 
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[LUTE] bakfark ultimi mei sospiri

[wolfgang wiehe]

hi all,
i am looking for a facsimile of bakfarks ultimi mei sospiri.
thanks for help
wolfgang w.



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[LUTE] Re: Ok guys...need your help (again...)

[wolfgang wiehe]

http://www.lute.ru/library_eng/lutetab.htm
This is an older link to a lot of gerbodes tabs in russia.
Try it. 

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Orphenica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. November 2007 21:34
An: Tony Chalkley
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Ok guys...need your help (again...)



As you mention Gerbodes Site,

does anybody know, why it is not accessible any more?

Greetz
 we

Tony Chalkley schrieb:
 There were a few or rather a lot on Sarge Gerbode's site which seems
 to have mislaid itself.  They are also available in the public part of

 Alain Veylit's site, which will be a relief to many.

 Go into

 http://josquin.musickshandmade.com

 Then filter Author is  Campion to get eleven pages of songs full or
 part by part, in various formats.

 Tony
 - Original Message - From: Omer katzir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:59 PM
 Subject: [LUTE] Ok guys...need your help (again...)


 I cant find any of campions song's with tabs, i can buy them, but
 it's  a problem for me to read facsimile (i cant see that good... 
 unless  it's really good quality)
 so what i need is a good website with the songs+tabs, or good source

 for ordering them, if it facsimile, so it must be high quality.

 I need to four books, with tabs for lute (really...), website will be
 much better becuase i have no money in my lute case :-(

 after that, I'll go on to dowland...

 Thank you all
 good night
 and may the great cat bless your lute



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[LUTE] Re: dedillo

[wolfgang wiehe]

ha,
did you noticed: PoD has a marker on the 7th bar!
i need one too!
:-)
w.



 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Fri,  2 Nov 2007 08:22:46 +0100
 Von: Gernot Hilger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 An: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: dedillo

 Zitat von Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Could someone please post the URL so I could watch this? Thank you.
 
 http://youtube.com/watch?v=G23_pcCZkZg
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: Marker at the 7th fret

[wolfgang wiehe]

hi daniel,
i just added a little starfish - from my daughters sticker albu - to the 7th 
:-)hope it works. 
w.



 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 05:04:31 -0700
 Von: daniel shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 An: Robert Clair [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Marker at the 7th fret

 Not long ago I came to the realization that every teacher I have ever
 worked with has markers on f and h. My daughter has given me penguin
 stickers which now proudly adorn the back of every fingerboard I own.  
 
 DS
 
 On Friday, November 02, 2007, at 07:05AM, Robert Clair
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ha,
  did you noticed: PoD has a marker on the 7th bar!
  i need one too!
 
 The no marker on the 7th fret is a self-flagellating lunatic  
 classical guitar thing. Someone once asked Paul about this at a  
 summer workshop. He explained that he played lots of different  
 instruments with widely varying string lengths and finished up by  
 saying I'd rather look stupid than sound stupid.
 
 Bob
 
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[LUTE] Re: How Common

[wolfgang wiehe]

hey,
some times ago i found a lute playing donkey in an antiquarian book: Rabener: 
Satiren, 1754.
IAIAIAIAI
see it on my flickr-page:
http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
wolfgang
 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: 29 Oct 2007 12:43 GMT
 Von: Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 An: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: How Common

 Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
  That was not the only lute-donkey relationship on record. Let's not
 forget 
  this:
  http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/grimm144.html
 
 Beautiful, didn't know it. Any idea how come this steady connection
 between donkeys and lutes?
 -- 
 Best,
 
 Mathias
 
 
   the memory of what a lute might be, is especially vivid in the town
   where I live because of a famous tale bearing the town's name in it,
   that you will possibly know. The town is Bremen, and I'm speaking of
 the
   Bremen Town Musicians (Bremer Stadtmusikanten), i. e. a donkey, a dog,
 a
   cat and a cock. Remember the instrument that the donkey plays? Yepp,
   correct, that's it. B)
  
   In its established form, the tale was collected by Bros. Grimm, at a
   time when what are now considered HIP lutes were no more played.
   Instead, those ineffable, *coughs*, wandervogels were what people had
 in
   minds when they said lute, because those were widely played.
   -- 
   Best wishes,
  
   Mathias
  
   Luca Manassero [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
   Hi Mathias,
  
   I love this anwer...
  
   Last year I went to the Fondazione Querini Stampalia in Venice with
 my
   lute and  group of boys asked me what I had in my case with that
 strange
   shape. I said: A renaissance lute. After a second I heard one of
 that
   group whispering to somebody else must be a wind instrument...
   I often experience that in Italy, especially in the so-called art
   cities (Città d'arte) you lute pictures in every church, LOTS of
 them.
   But nobody knwos what a lute is, anymore. In Germany, maybe thanks to
   your Wandervoegel, if somedody asks you what you carry in your case
 and
   you happen to answer a lute, well, most of the time people knows.
  
   So sometimes it's better to let a not so precise simulation of an
   instrument to survive, instead of being correctly purist, but have
 100
   people in the whole country informed the lute...
  
   Ciao,
  
   Luca
  
  
   Mathias Rösel on 28-10-2007 14:21 wrote:
Joshua E. Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
   
How common are six string lutes like this one?:
   
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Kay/lute12.jpg
   
   
Most members of the HIP community do not consider that instrument a
lute. I'm notorious enough to dissent, so may I put it short.
Yes, that kind of lute is widespread outside the HIP comm, e. g.
 where 
I
live (Germany), and it is often heard in public at reenactment 
occasions
and revival-medieval market places. There are even theorboed types 
(four
or six extra bass strings), but not as widespread as the 6str type.
 
 
 
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