Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
The last new Crude Oil refinery built in the USA was commissioned over 25 yrs ago. The EPA has made it impossible since then to build a new one and existing refineries have cut every possible capacity to shrink their exposure to the all mighty EPA to a minimum. In hard fact, the EPA induced costs to upgrade or expand present Crude Oil Refineries is so cost intense, even profit rich Exxon stumbles when faced with the facts. Expected lead time to certify a new refinery is 10 years, if ever. During that 10 yrs. you get to build, file and wait, while your investment capital is frozen with a no limit ceiling commitment to meet all new or imposed regulation, both state and federal. The real world of running a refinery requires nearly 20 compliance officers for every labor person and the standing joke on the yard is when the volume of paper meets or exceeds the volume of fuel, it may be cleared to ship. Because California causes cancer for nearly every substance known to man, and it's main industry is air pollution control, the once thriving oil industry on the west coast is and has been under siege for past 40 yrs. The Gulf Coast area contains the bulk of the largest crude oil processing facilities possibly capable of handling added supply and is presently the receiving point for the bulk of Mid Eastern oil. Under present conditions, a pipe directly to the existing Gulf Coast refinery center would be the least costly for the Crude to Gas equation for this oil field. Or, we could simply close the EPA, capture and imprison the tree huggers, build new refineries close to the oil, and have cheap gas again. That Could be an Option Go Green, Green Back Dollars That is Grant... AZ... - Who designed, built, certified, and licensed the largest Bio Diesel Refinery to ATSM 6751 Standard in the USA in 2007 at 20,000,000 Gallon Per Month capacity and met all EPA , Air Quality, DOD, and Homeland Security requirements.- [as well as every other 3 letter agency known to exist] Cost to build the physical plant, about $10 million. Cost to do the paperwork and get clearances and certifications, about $20 million and ongoing. On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Actually, I think the idea is to refine crude in the Gulf Coast for shipment overseas. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention On Jan 24, 2012, at 10:07 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: We ought to build a refinery or two up north, closer to the source, rther than piping it all the way across a continent, then bck up for distribution ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm amazed
I believe that tire inflation is extremely critical to handling, and here's a for instance: My recently acquired 300E seemed twitchy at highway speeds, something I initially attributed to the possible need for new lower control arm bushings. When I got home and checked cold pressures , I found them to be at or near 40 psi. I lowered the pressures to the MB recommended amounts, and took the car for a drive. Purposely attempting to swerve and/or upset the car at highway speeds yielded a far different response from previous experiences, and the car felt far more attached to the road and much less twitchy. Just my $0.02. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 24, 2012, at 10:45 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: It could be several things, or that model may just be sensitive to tire pressures. Maybe the tires on the front and back or of different vintages? Snow tires are gummy, and after a few years, they lose a lot of that ( a lot sooner actually) stick, even if there is lots of tread left. You can check the manufacturing date by checking the code on the sidewall of the tires. More pressure will stiffen the sidewall, and reduce the contact patch, somewhat. But the contact patch is quite small, and I think the added pressure would probably have more effect on the sidewall, especially an old style high profile tire. On high performance cars with a really low sidewall, it can be a bit trickier to feel the difference in tire pressures at times, or to my butt anyway. hee hee. Good reason to check pressures often. Another thing to check, is that the tires aren't under inflated. If a tire is under inflated, once rolling at speed, the added friction generated from things like a sloppy sidewall etc, will cause the air inside the tire to heat and expand. Factors like speed, cornering forces, ambient temp, and the weight on them (engine, trunk full of cinder blocks..hee hee), and just how under inflated all play into it. So, check the tires before driving on them, to make sure the tires with more pressure, didn't get that way do to being under inflated, and then just expanded while driving. Just some thoughts I'm throwing out there. Still, seems like a big change in handling and performance, if 4 lbs of tire pressure was the only factor involved between front and rear tires. And hey, what are you doing driving a 240D at 75mph Curt ?? ;-) hee hee. You madman you!! ;-) Ed 300E On 24 January 2012 22:02, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Could it be that the higher pressure changed the front wheels contact pressure center which was reflected in steering geometry? ie. Older car, cumulative wear of all the steering components, which in effect change the caster/camber of the front end, which translates to buttock feel that the rear end was loose? Following that line of thinking, at 32 PSI the tire is harder, the contact area is smaller, and steering becomes more sensitive at 28 PSI the tire is softer, the contact area is spread over a wider area, and the softer tire cushions the worn component movement of the steering assembly. Result, less squirrel... [engineering term, I'm sure]. ;)) Grant... AZ... On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:47 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: After work, did you check the pressures cold, or after your drive home? My backside is quite sensitive to differences in tire pressures. I can feel a 4 lb difference, but I'm a little surprised it would take your car from being really stable, to where the back end feels like it's walking all over the place. I guess some cars are more sensitive to pressure changes than others. Wasn't the old 300SEL 6.3 really sensitive to tire pressures, or they had something funky going on with the tires, that owners often complained about ?? Ed 300E On 24 January 2012 21:16, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I put the snowtires from my '83 240D onto my '78 240D the other day. They were a little squirmy at first but I figured they just needed to get fully warmed up with a good drive, they've been sitting over a year after all. So I aired them up good Sunday night for the drive to work Monday morning. On the way to work Monday when I hit 65mph the car suddenly got VERY squirrelly. The rear end felt like it really wanted to wag. I slowed down and it was fine again, any time I was over 65mph though it would get all weird. After work I took a look at tire pressure hoping one tire had gone low and realized I had mistakenly put 32psi in the FRONT and 30psi in the REAR. I bled the fronts down to 28psi and on the way home powered up to 75mph with no stability issues at all. In retrospect the feeling was almost exactly like when a trailer with to little tongue weight tries to wag the truck. It amazes me that tire pressure can have that effect... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
There's a huge refinery south of Joliet (way south ChiBurb) and I'm willing to bet that it's not the northernmost refinery. That's a good suggestion. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 1/24/2012 10:07 PM, OK Don wrote: We ought to build a refinery or two up north, closer to the source, rther than piping it all the way across a continent, then bck up for distribution. Less interuption form hurricanes in the north as well. More jobs building and operating a refinery than the one time build of a pipe line. Won't happen though - oh well. On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote: No need to go to war to try to secure hotspots to get oil. We figure we have enough for both of us for the next 200-300 years, at current and future use. You don't have to be too innovative either, just run a hose up north, and we'll give you all you want, and cheap too. We already offered once, but you didn't seem interested. Really, we're nice guys here, and we would prefer that you, our friends get it. And we're pretty easy going, so if you decide to accept, you won't have to spend trillions keeping the peace in Alberta. hee hee. As a bonus, there's a good chance, whatever you end up giving us for the oil, we'll turn around and spend a good chunk of it on buying U.S. made goods and/or services anyway. Ed 300E Which is exactly why obummer refuses to do it. Much more fun to attack libya and otherwise help the terrorists. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why you DON'T want to install a WVO kit...
No one who can afford a new Benz diesel is going to run it on wvo from new. Why do you think this is? Maybe because WVO is not proven as a good fuel source and is a ticking time bomb beginning the engine destruction process? You might save money now, but start stocking up on used engines, you'll need them soon. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 1/24/2012 4:38 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Hence all of the dead wvo cars. They all did not end up in the boneyard from a wvo related issue. Cheapskate wvo users don't generally keep up on maintenance. My cheap Mercedes drives like it should, gets taken care of like it should and treats me well. As far as a documented 300k miles on wvo, good luck with that. No one who can afford a new Benz diesel is going to run it on wvo from new. I will gladly replace an injector pump eventually, I have saved around $1500 or so on fuel with just this car, I can afford to fix it for that kind of savings. Mike On Jan 24, 2012 12:23 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Because WVO is almost never done well. Almost always some idiot is running cold WVO (or not completely heated WVO) straight into the engine. I'm not completely opposed to cold WVO if its mixed with diesel but not straight and not for short drives around town. It also seems to me that WVO cars have loads of other maintenance issues. Like the owners put all their money into a poorly designed WVO system and ignored massive issues with the car. -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:37:35 -0500 From: Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why you DON'T want to install a WVO kit... Message-ID: calhj_1bkozt_jf8kud7bo_c8vshjjcfnifxwhn0eg3_ryj0...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So why not? I run wvo in all of my diesels in warm weather with no ill effect. You just have to have the brains to do it right. Mike On Jan 24, 2012 10:16 AM, Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: This guy has been trying to unload this car for months. http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2789925113.html Says price dropped but doesn't seem by much. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126
That's a matter of taste. I find the body shape blimp-like and the interior tacky: the wood appears thin, and the seating the apex of faux-luxury. Give me an honest, working man's W123 any day. :) On 1/24/12, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: Plus the body IMO is one of the most beautiful of MB sedans. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:33 PM To: mercedes list Subject: [MBZ] Amazing 126 'Had Indy in Raleigh R R engine and tranny mounts on the 91 350SDL this afternoon. I was reminded on the trip there and back (almost all interstate highway) what a pleasure it is to drive a 126, especially more so on the return trip with new mounts making it even quieter and solid as a rock cruising at 75 mph. Like I've said before, 'feels like flying on a cool, clear day. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
I suspect there are others over in the Gary/East Chicago area as well. At least based on the odors that come from there Once when we were driving through the area at night, my oldest son, who was maybe 4-5 years old at the time, watched the gas flares and all the related stuff as we drove through and remarked to me, This must be what Hell looks like. No, son, Hell probably smells better. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: There's a huge refinery south of Joliet (way south ChiBurb) and I'm willing to bet that it's not the northernmost refinery. That's a good suggestion. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wiper Blades
Ernest makes an interesting point. Perhaps I need to park the two cars side by side to judge the rake of the w/s On 1/24/12, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Nothing quite fits the 300CD driver's side, which is odd because the w/s is the same as on my 300TD which has no wiper coverage issues Maybe the arm not on the shaft in the right position, or the arm is bent. Or the drive linkage is bent. Or the pivots are worn. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why you DON'T want to install a WVO kit...
Is there any documented study of the problems that the use of WVO causes on Mercedes diesels? Or is this just anecdotal? On 1/25/12, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: No one who can afford a new Benz diesel is going to run it on wvo from new. Why do you think this is? Maybe because WVO is not proven as a good fuel source and is a ticking time bomb beginning the engine destruction process? You might save money now, but start stocking up on used engines, you'll need them soon. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 1/24/2012 4:38 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Hence all of the dead wvo cars. They all did not end up in the boneyard from a wvo related issue. Cheapskate wvo users don't generally keep up on maintenance. My cheap Mercedes drives like it should, gets taken care of like it should and treats me well. As far as a documented 300k miles on wvo, good luck with that. No one who can afford a new Benz diesel is going to run it on wvo from new. I will gladly replace an injector pump eventually, I have saved around $1500 or so on fuel with just this car, I can afford to fix it for that kind of savings. Mike On Jan 24, 2012 12:23 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Because WVO is almost never done well. Almost always some idiot is running cold WVO (or not completely heated WVO) straight into the engine. I'm not completely opposed to cold WVO if its mixed with diesel but not straight and not for short drives around town. It also seems to me that WVO cars have loads of other maintenance issues. Like the owners put all their money into a poorly designed WVO system and ignored massive issues with the car. -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:37:35 -0500 From: Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why you DON'T want to install a WVO kit... Message-ID: calhj_1bkozt_jf8kud7bo_c8vshjjcfnifxwhn0eg3_ryj0...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So why not? I run wvo in all of my diesels in warm weather with no ill effect. You just have to have the brains to do it right. Mike On Jan 24, 2012 10:16 AM, Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: This guy has been trying to unload this car for months. http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2789925113.html Says price dropped but doesn't seem by much. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
What I wanted to hear last night was Look, oil is expensive but natural gas is plentiful and the price is really now and projected to stay that way. Let's take steps (as T Boone Pickens suggests) to massivlely convert trucks from diesel to the use of natural gas. Maybe we could do something similar for passenger vehicles. A little goose from the gov'r. and then the private markets will do the rest. On 1/25/12, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I suspect there are others over in the Gary/East Chicago area as well. At least based on the odors that come from there Once when we were driving through the area at night, my oldest son, who was maybe 4-5 years old at the time, watched the gas flares and all the related stuff as we drove through and remarked to me, This must be what Hell looks like. No, son, Hell probably smells better. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: There's a huge refinery south of Joliet (way south ChiBurb) and I'm willing to bet that it's not the northernmost refinery. That's a good suggestion. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Who wanted an SL? And WOW!
Here is a brace of SLs for the discerning buyer: Nice: charleston.craigslist.org/cto/280002.html Crack addict: charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2813556834.html ran when parked [20 yr ago] Wow, who knew they were so valuable? charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2808037864.html Oh, and here is a really good deal from another crackhead: charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2793071078.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126
The 126 is blimp-like? Are we talking about the same car? --R On 1/25/12 9:06 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: That's a matter of taste. I find the body shape blimp-like and the interior tacky: the wood appears thin, and the seating the apex of faux-luxury. Give me an honest, working man's W123 any day.:) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
What I wanted to hear last night was Look, oil is expensive but natural gas is plentiful and the price is really now and projected to stay that way. Let's take steps (as T Boone Pickens suggests) to massivlely convert trucks from diesel to the use of natural gas. Maybe we could do something similar for passenger vehicles. A little goose from the gov'r. and then the private markets will do the rest. Gummit gums up things. That is their job, that is what they do best, hence the name Gummit. Looking to the Gummit to solve anything, makes as much sense as putting chewing gum in the tank of your vehicle. Your thought processes are bass ackwards ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
Yes, there are BP is doing an expansion that is taking several years and several billion dollars. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I suspect there are others over in the Gary/East Chicago area as well. At least based on the odors that come from there ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it will be done. The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would have to be built out. But it probably would make best sense for fleet vehicles that could be refueled from a central location. --R On 1/25/12 9:21 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: What I wanted to hear last night was Look, oil is expensive but natural gas is plentiful and the price is really now and projected to stay that way. Let's take steps (as T Boone Pickens suggests) to massivlely convert trucks from diesel to the use of natural gas. Maybe we could do something similar for passenger vehicles. A little goose from the gov'r. and then the private markets will do the rest. On 1/25/12, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I suspect there are others over in the Gary/East Chicago area as well. At least based on the odors that come from there Once when we were driving through the area at night, my oldest son, who was maybe 4-5 years old at the time, watched the gas flares and all the related stuff as we drove through and remarked to me, This must be what Hell looks like. No, son, Hell probably smells better. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: There's a huge refinery south of Joliet (way south ChiBurb) and I'm willing to bet that it's not the northernmost refinery. That's a good suggestion. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
Nothing that makes sense for the people will happen. Americans are too bullheaded to change. Gummit (I like that term.) is too greedy. Why use natural gas? The pipleliners I speak to around here(they are working in northern PA.) tell me there are huge reserves of oil under all of the gas. What they are doing now is pumping out gas and capping oil wells. They speculate that there is more oil under the USA than several Saudi Arabias. Imagine the chaos that would ensue if the public knew we have these huge reserves but still pay out trillions to import oil. Hush, hush is the rule for the gas workers. Mike On Jan 25, 2012 9:34 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it will be done. The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would have to be built out. But it probably would make best sense for fleet vehicles that could be refueled from a central location. --R On 1/25/12 9:21 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: What I wanted to hear last night was Look, oil is expensive but natural gas is plentiful and the price is really now and projected to stay that way. Let's take steps (as T Boone Pickens suggests) to massivlely convert trucks from diesel to the use of natural gas. Maybe we could do something similar for passenger vehicles. A little goose from the gov'r. and then the private markets will do the rest. On 1/25/12, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I suspect there are others over in the Gary/East Chicago area as well. At least based on the odors that come from there Once when we were driving through the area at night, my oldest son, who was maybe 4-5 years old at the time, watched the gas flares and all the related stuff as we drove through and remarked to me, This must be what Hell looks like. No, son, Hell probably smells better. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: There's a huge refinery south of Joliet (way south ChiBurb) and I'm willing to bet that it's not the northernmost refinery. That's a good suggestion. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126
Rich Thomas wrote: The 126 is blimp-like? Are we talking about the same car? I thought that's what a 140 looked like when parked next to a 126. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126
Well, the wood not only APPEARS thin, it IS thin - paper thin, glued onto pressed aluminum sheets, 'cept that little bar across top of ashtray - that's actually a little solid block of real wood. Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126 That's a matter of taste. I find the body shape blimp-like and the interior tacky: the wood appears thin, and the seating the apex of faux-luxury. Give me an honest, working man's W123 any day. :) On 1/24/12, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: Plus the body IMO is one of the most beautiful of MB sedans. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:33 PM To: mercedes list Subject: [MBZ] Amazing 126 'Had Indy in Raleigh R R engine and tranny mounts on the 91 350SDL this afternoon. I was reminded on the trip there and back (almost all interstate highway) what a pleasure it is to drive a 126, especially more so on the return trip with new mounts making it even quieter and solid as a rock cruising at 75 mph. Like I've said before, 'feels like flying on a cool, clear day. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126
140 is blimpie to me; 'never thought of a 126 as blimpie. 'Course, that's why we all have different names - we're all different, and that's OK, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126 The 126 is blimp-like? Are we talking about the same car? --R On 1/25/12 9:06 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: That's a matter of taste. I find the body shape blimp-like and the interior tacky: the wood appears thin, and the seating the apex of faux-luxury. Give me an honest, working man's W123 any day.:) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
CITGO has a big one between Lockport and Lemont, a bit northeast of Joliet. Used to ride through it every day on the Metra line between Chicago and Joliet when I lived in Lockport. On Wed, Jan 25, 2012, at 07:40 AM, Benz Hogs wrote: There's a huge refinery south of Joliet (way south ChiBurb) and I'm willing to bet that it's not the northernmost refinery. That's a good suggestion. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
Wonder why refineries flare off all that gas, could they not run a generator and produce some electricity with it? Allan On Wed, Jan 25, 2012, at 09:06 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I suspect there are others over in the Gary/East Chicago area as well. At least based on the odors that come from there Once when we were driving through the area at night, my oldest son, who was maybe 4-5 years old at the time, watched the gas flares and all the related stuff as we drove through and remarked to me, This must be what Hell looks like. No, son, Hell probably smells better. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - Northern Tool
'Stopped by a Northern Tool store in Raleigh yesterday. 'Had a flood of ideas for my walker as I walked/hobbled past many small engines (5 hp to 15/18 hp, etc). ;))) BTW, years ago, there was a Northern Hydraulics store in Raleigh; is Northern Tool the same outfit? They look much the same. Oh, 'just had another good idea - mount a 10-or-so-hp engine on back (under seat) of my electric mobility scooter. ;))) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012, at 09:33 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it will be done. The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would have to be built out. But it probably would make best sense for fleet vehicles that could be refueled from a central location. Which they are already doing. CNG or propane is not uncommon for fleet vehicles. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Northern Tool
On Jan 25, 2012 7:33 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Stopped by a Northern Tool store in Raleigh yesterday. FWIW Northern Tool is on my naughty list (as in gonna find out who's been naughty and nice). They seem to sell all the same Chinese stuff as Harbor Freight but their prices are 20-30% higher. And, around here at least, HF has a no-questions-asked return policy for anything within the warranty period, whereas it was like pulling teeth when I tried to get Northern Tool to replace a defective electric log splitter they'd sent me. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why you DON'T want to install a WVO kit...
Well, simply because if you can afford the new Benz then you most likely can afford the fuel and your time is likely spent pursuing endeavors that create the capitol it requires. I, on the other hand, prefer to spend my time at home with my family. Sometimes that may be spent wrenching on an antique Mercedes or fiddling around with a new idea to filter oil or maybe just a nice ride through the country in my old crew cab Chevy(getting 20mpg on wvo) to go pick up some oil. Either way, that time is worth way more than $50 per hour to me. I will however agree with you that WVO is not the best fuel for our engines. I think of it as an acceptable substitute, unlike the foul smelling ulsd that doesn't lube the injector pump well enough. It does cause premature wear due, mostly, to the polymerization you speak of. It probably cuts a new engines' life in half. With a 400k mile engine like our MBZ's I will accept the 200k mile life and change out a few parts to make it get that far in trade for the fuel savings. It is great to go load up the truck with a bunch of oil and go wherever I want without having to stop at a gas station and spend hundreds of dollars to do it. WVO is not for everybody or every car. It is not the fuel source of the future. It will eventually damage or clog up parts of your car. It will cause you to change fuel filters on the side of the road if you put it in a dirty fuel tank or don't filter well to begin with. It can and will destroy an injector pump if you don't get all of the water out of it. Mike On Jan 25, 2012 8:58 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: No one who can afford a new Benz diesel is going to run it on wvo from new. Why do you think this is? Maybe because WVO is not proven as a good fuel source and is a ticking time bomb beginning the engine destruction process? You might save money now, but start stocking up on used engines, you'll need them soon. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 1/24/2012 4:38 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Hence all of the dead wvo cars. They all did not end up in the boneyard from a wvo related issue. Cheapskate wvo users don't generally keep up on maintenance. My cheap Mercedes drives like it should, gets taken care of like it should and treats me well. As far as a documented 300k miles on wvo, good luck with that. No one who can afford a new Benz diesel is going to run it on wvo from new. I will gladly replace an injector pump eventually, I have saved around $1500 or so on fuel with just this car, I can afford to fix it for that kind of savings. Mike On Jan 24, 2012 12:23 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Because WVO is almost never done well. Almost always some idiot is running cold WVO (or not completely heated WVO) straight into the engine. I'm not completely opposed to cold WVO if its mixed with diesel but not straight and not for short drives around town. It also seems to me that WVO cars have loads of other maintenance issues. Like the owners put all their money into a poorly designed WVO system and ignored massive issues with the car. -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:37:35 -0500 From: Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why you DON'T want to install a WVO kit... Message-ID: CALHJ_1BkOzT_JF8KuD7BO_**C8VshjJcFNiFxwHn0EG3_RYj0h1w@** mail.gmail.comcalhj_1bkozt_jf8kud7bo_c8vshjjcfnifxwhn0eg3_ryj0...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So why not? I run wvo in all of my diesels in warm weather with no ill effect. You just have to have the brains to do it right. Mike On Jan 24, 2012 10:16 AM, Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: This guy has been trying to unload this car for months. http://bloomington.craigslist.**org/cto/2789925113.htmlhttp://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2789925113.html Says price dropped but doesn't seem by much. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126
And the original sales brochure made a point to explain the efforts they went to, to make it that way, and why, as I remember. ;-) Guess the engineers figured enough Jag owners died from splinters following a shunt; they wanted to try and do something about it. hee hee. Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 10:14, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Well, the wood not only APPEARS thin, it IS thin - paper thin, glued onto pressed aluminum sheets, 'cept that little bar across top of ashtray - that's actually a little solid block of real wood. Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126 That's a matter of taste. I find the body shape blimp-like and the interior tacky: the wood appears thin, and the seating the apex of faux-luxury. Give me an honest, working man's W123 any day. :) On 1/24/12, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: Plus the body IMO is one of the most beautiful of MB sedans. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-bounces@** okiebenz.com mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:33 PM To: mercedes list Subject: [MBZ] Amazing 126 'Had Indy in Raleigh R R engine and tranny mounts on the 91 350SDL this afternoon. I was reminded on the trip there and back (almost all interstate highway) what a pleasure it is to drive a 126, especially more so on the return trip with new mounts making it even quieter and solid as a rock cruising at 75 mph. Like I've said before, 'feels like flying on a cool, clear day. Wilton __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm amazed
On Jan 24, 2012 7:25 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Could be that too. When I first got the 300E, I found the back end didn't feel like what I thought it should, so I had the guy doing the inspection give it a good look over. I had a lot of the rubber bits changed, and it went around corners much better after that. Apples to oranges, I'm afraid. 124s with worn rear suspension are without exception dangerously unstable especially in corners at speed. Curt's car is a 123, with a completely different rear suspension design. An old, worn one is noticeably vague to drive, but not really uncontrollable. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
Andrew, Or we could convert the natural gas to synthetic diesel, leave the trucks as they are and produce more diesel cars. Synthetic diesel has the same properties as natural gas without being as explosive. Personally, I don't want to pull in to a station to fill up my tank and have to worry about being blown into the next county by a careless explosion. Gov'ts and some businesses use natural gas in their vehicles because they can maintain control over distribution and training for proper fueling techniques by employees. The Germans produced synthetic diesel out of necessity during the war. I think we are on the verge of necessity if we are to extract ourselves from Arab oil problems. Just my opinion. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm amazed
Yeah, higher pressures will make the car sharper (twitchy) feeling. You're stiffening the sidewalls, which will make the car turn in sharper with less slip angle. It will follow ruts in the road easier too, or tram-track. I haven't checked the manual in ages, but I believe for your 300E, there are two pressure recommendations. One for normal driving, and one if you are planning to do extended driving over, um, I think it's 160kph ? Don't quote me on that, as it's been ages. I personally run pressures a bit higher in all my cars, and minivan. Yes, it effects the ride quality, but for me, the trade-off is worth it, given my driving style. I do find that extra care is needed when modulating the brakes in snow and rain though, Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 07:16, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe that tire inflation is extremely critical to handling, and here's a for instance: My recently acquired 300E seemed twitchy at highway speeds, something I initially attributed to the possible need for new lower control arm bushings. When I got home and checked cold pressures , I found them to be at or near 40 psi. I lowered the pressures to the MB recommended amounts, and took the car for a drive. Purposely attempting to swerve and/or upset the car at highway speeds yielded a far different response from previous experiences, and the car felt far more attached to the road and much less twitchy. Just my $0.02. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 24, 2012, at 10:45 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: It could be several things, or that model may just be sensitive to tire pressures. Maybe the tires on the front and back or of different vintages? Snow tires are gummy, and after a few years, they lose a lot of that ( a lot sooner actually) stick, even if there is lots of tread left. You can check the manufacturing date by checking the code on the sidewall of the tires. More pressure will stiffen the sidewall, and reduce the contact patch, somewhat. But the contact patch is quite small, and I think the added pressure would probably have more effect on the sidewall, especially an old style high profile tire. On high performance cars with a really low sidewall, it can be a bit trickier to feel the difference in tire pressures at times, or to my butt anyway. hee hee. Good reason to check pressures often. Another thing to check, is that the tires aren't under inflated. If a tire is under inflated, once rolling at speed, the added friction generated from things like a sloppy sidewall etc, will cause the air inside the tire to heat and expand. Factors like speed, cornering forces, ambient temp, and the weight on them (engine, trunk full of cinder blocks..hee hee), and just how under inflated all play into it. So, check the tires before driving on them, to make sure the tires with more pressure, didn't get that way do to being under inflated, and then just expanded while driving. Just some thoughts I'm throwing out there. Still, seems like a big change in handling and performance, if 4 lbs of tire pressure was the only factor involved between front and rear tires. And hey, what are you doing driving a 240D at 75mph Curt ?? ;-) hee hee. You madman you!! ;-) Ed 300E On 24 January 2012 22:02, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Could it be that the higher pressure changed the front wheels contact pressure center which was reflected in steering geometry? ie. Older car, cumulative wear of all the steering components, which in effect change the caster/camber of the front end, which translates to buttock feel that the rear end was loose? Following that line of thinking, at 32 PSI the tire is harder, the contact area is smaller, and steering becomes more sensitive at 28 PSI the tire is softer, the contact area is spread over a wider area, and the softer tire cushions the worn component movement of the steering assembly. Result, less squirrel... [engineering term, I'm sure]. ;)) Grant... AZ... On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:47 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: After work, did you check the pressures cold, or after your drive home? My backside is quite sensitive to differences in tire pressures. I can feel a 4 lb difference, but I'm a little surprised it would take your car from being really stable, to where the back end feels like it's walking all over the place. I guess some cars are more sensitive to pressure changes than others. Wasn't the old 300SEL 6.3 really sensitive to tire pressures, or they had something funky going on with the tires, that owners often complained about ?? Ed 300E On 24 January 2012 21:16, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I put the snowtires from my '83 240D onto my '78 240D the other day. They were a little squirmy at first but I figured they just needed to get fully warmed up with a good
Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126
Rich , Being the owner of a 116 300SD for around 14 years, I too think the 126 is blimp like. But most of all, I dislike the plastic bumpers and plastic around the bottom of the car. More places for rust to hide and easier to scrape and need painting if bumped. If you take a trip in a 116, you'll enjoy the old Benz engineering; softer ride, better seats, great cruiser. I know we all love our individual selection of cars. I also have a 123 which I seriously enjoy for around town, but on the interstate, the 116 beats the 123 for comfort. Again, just my opinion. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm amazed
My car was far from uncontrollable. But given the cars I used to driving, my butt it quite attuned to what's moving around at the back end of cars. ;-) hee hee. I tend to replace such important components before they reach the end of their life. If going down the road in a 123, and it feels similar to a trailer walking the back of the car around; I believe that's how it was described? I would call that a bit more than noticeably vague. If a worn 123 will only feel noticeable vague as you say, then, as the car was moving around as described, perhaps further investigation beyond just tire pressures is warranted. Can never to too safe. Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 11:17, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 24, 2012 7:25 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Could be that too. When I first got the 300E, I found the back end didn't feel like what I thought it should, so I had the guy doing the inspection give it a good look over. I had a lot of the rubber bits changed, and it went around corners much better after that. Apples to oranges, I'm afraid. 124s with worn rear suspension are without exception dangerously unstable especially in corners at speed. Curt's car is a 123, with a completely different rear suspension design. An old, worn one is noticeably vague to drive, but not really uncontrollable. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
From another list: The product coming out of Canadian tar sands is similar to Venezuelan oil Very thick and viscous, hard to extract without heat, hard to pump And most of all hard to refine Only a few refineries in the world can handle oil like this And they're all in Houston. Gerry From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net There's a huge refinery south of Joliet (way south ChiBurb) and I'm willing to bet that it's not the northernmost refinery. That's a good suggestion. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 1/24/2012 10:07 PM, OK Don wrote: We ought to build a refinery or two up north, closer to the source, rther than piping it all the way across a continent, then bck up for distribution. Less interuption form hurricanes in the north as well. More jobs building and operating a refinery than the one time build of a pipe line. Won't happen though - oh well. On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote: No need to go to war to try to secure hotspots to get oil. We figure we have enough for both of us for the next 200-300 years, at current and future use. You don't have to be too innovative either, just run a hose up north, and we'll give you all you want, and cheap too. We already offered once, but you didn't seem interested. Really, we're nice guys here, and we would prefer that you, our friends get it. And we're pretty easy going, so if you decide to accept, you won't have to spend trillions keeping the peace in Alberta. hee hee. As a bonus, there's a good chance, whatever you end up giving us for the oil, we'll turn around and spend a good chunk of it on buying U.S. made goods and/or services anyway. Ed 300E Which is exactly why obummer refuses to do it. Much more fun to attack libya and otherwise help the terrorists. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1416 / Virus Database: 2109/4765 - Release Date: 01/25/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S65
The old girl goes pretty good! The video is just like real life...always some punk in a 911 showing off, and a tuner Honda Civic off on the side of the road, broken. ;-) hee hee One of my neighbours has a C63. Drives it in a way that would make the AMG engineers proud too. ;-) Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 01:18, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Here ya go... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6q04Tjaiccfeature=youtube_gdata_player Old C class commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eOLq07VwSEfeature=youtube_gdata_player Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention On Jan 24, 2012, at 11:45 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Here's that YouTube clip of the 560. Just proper high speed motoring, as is should be. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf3ch_mU8S8 Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 00:16, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Well... I wanted to see track time, darn it! You know, turn off the traction control and consume fuel and tires at a mind numbing rate... Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention On Jan 24, 2012, at 10:05 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: If you guys have 25 minutes or so to kill, here's a nice S Class on YouTube. Maybe not a 560SEL, but I think I could live with it! ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJHhyAwiz1Efeature=g-vreccontext=G2f0b2f8RVAg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126
On 24/01/2012 5:41 PM, E M wrote: It's amazing when a car is designed and bolted together the right way, how many years of great service it will give, if the maintenance is kept up. If you can keep the tin worm out of a 126, I think they'll go pretty much forever. There was a lady ( I say lady, as there was a baby set in the rear), who had a really lovely 560SEL. She would often park in a nearby mall. I haven't seen the car for over a year now, but whenever I'm there, I always have a look for it. I even left a note on it once, asking her to give me a call if she was ever interested in selling. Never heard from her, but I would be happy to part with the current daily drivers, and just use, and maintain that 560 as my daily car for the rest of my motoring days! Ed 300E You might be surprised at how many cars with child seats in them belong to grandparents these days. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Starter spinning -
Hey gang - My son is now the owner of our long term 78 240D and this morning he said it was making a funny noise. He's technically challenged, what can I say? So i go out and the starter is spinning but not engaging the flywheel. The key was out of the ognition and it kept spinning - I had to pull the neg terminal from the battery to stop it - and when I tried to put the battery cable back on the starter started spinning again. The starter did not get hot - but I guess it wasn't under any real load. Is this a starter pinion issue or ring gear issue? Or possibly either? When I did an engine rebuild several years ago both gears looked fine and I've never heard it grind as if missing teeth (like my MGB). What's the best course of action? Thanks - LarryT 78 240D 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
We're currently working on a process to cut it with maple syrup. ;-) Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 11:24, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: From another list: The product coming out of Canadian tar sands is similar to Venezuelan oil Very thick and viscous, hard to extract without heat, hard to pump And most of all hard to refine Only a few refineries in the world can handle oil like this And they're all in Houston. Gerry From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net There's a huge refinery south of Joliet (way south ChiBurb) and I'm willing to bet that it's not the northernmost refinery. That's a good suggestion. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 1/24/2012 10:07 PM, OK Don wrote: We ought to build a refinery or two up north, closer to the source, rther than piping it all the way across a continent, then bck up for distribution. Less interuption form hurricanes in the north as well. More jobs building and operating a refinery than the one time build of a pipe line. Won't happen though - oh well. On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com** wrote: No need to go to war to try to secure hotspots to get oil. We figure we have enough for both of us for the next 200-300 years, at current and future use. You don't have to be too innovative either, just run a hose up north, and we'll give you all you want, and cheap too. We already offered once, but you didn't seem interested. Really, we're nice guys here, and we would prefer that you, our friends get it. And we're pretty easy going, so if you decide to accept, you won't have to spend trillions keeping the peace in Alberta. hee hee. As a bonus, there's a good chance, whatever you end up giving us for the oil, we'll turn around and spend a good chunk of it on buying U.S. made goods and/or services anyway. Ed 300E Which is exactly why obummer refuses to do it. Much more fun to attack libya and otherwise help the terrorists. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1416 / Virus Database: 2109/4765 - Release Date: 01/25/12 __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Starter spinning -
Solenoid stuck ? Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 11:53, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hey gang - My son is now the owner of our long term 78 240D and this morning he said it was making a funny noise. He's technically challenged, what can I say? So i go out and the starter is spinning but not engaging the flywheel. The key was out of the ognition and it kept spinning - I had to pull the neg terminal from the battery to stop it - and when I tried to put the battery cable back on the starter started spinning again. The starter did not get hot - but I guess it wasn't under any real load. Is this a starter pinion issue or ring gear issue? Or possibly either? When I did an engine rebuild several years ago both gears looked fine and I've never heard it grind as if missing teeth (like my MGB). What's the best course of action? Thanks - LarryT 78 240D 91 300D __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
Not certain where it was refined, probably Alberta, but for a while, fuel was being hauled in large quantities to Grand Forks AFB in North Dakota from Winnipeg. Then loaded on tankers and flown to Iraq or Afghanistan. Now that, is just plain silly. Randy On 25/01/2012 6:11 AM, G Mann wrote: The last new Crude Oil refinery built in the USA was commissioned over 25 yrs ago. The EPA has made it impossible since then to build a new one and existing refineries have cut every possible capacity to shrink their exposure to the all mighty EPA to a minimum. In hard fact, the EPA induced costs to upgrade or expand present Crude Oil Refineries is so cost intense, even profit rich Exxon stumbles when faced with the facts. Expected lead time to certify a new refinery is 10 years, if ever. During that 10 yrs. you get to build, file and wait, while your investment capital is frozen with a no limit ceiling commitment to meet all new or imposed regulation, both state and federal. The real world of running a refinery requires nearly 20 compliance officers for every labor person and the standing joke on the yard is when the volume of paper meets or exceeds the volume of fuel, it may be cleared to ship. Because California causes cancer for nearly every substance known to man, and it's main industry is air pollution control, the once thriving oil industry on the west coast is and has been under siege for past 40 yrs. The Gulf Coast area contains the bulk of the largest crude oil processing facilities possibly capable of handling added supply and is presently the receiving point for the bulk of Mid Eastern oil. Under present conditions, a pipe directly to the existing Gulf Coast refinery center would be the least costly for the Crude to Gas equation for this oil field. Or, we could simply close the EPA, capture and imprison the tree huggers, build new refineries close to the oil, and have cheap gas again. That Could be an Option Go Green, Green Back Dollars That is Grant... AZ... - Who designed, built, certified, and licensed the largest Bio Diesel Refinery to ATSM 6751 Standard in the USA in 2007 at 20,000,000 Gallon Per Month capacity and met all EPA , Air Quality, DOD, and Homeland Security requirements.- [as well as every other 3 letter agency known to exist] Cost to build the physical plant, about $10 million. Cost to do the paperwork and get clearances and certifications, about $20 million and ongoing. On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Rick Knoblerickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Actually, I think the idea is to refine crude in the Gulf Coast for shipment overseas. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention On Jan 24, 2012, at 10:07 PM, OK Donokd...@gmail.com wrote: We ought to build a refinery or two up north, closer to the source, rther than piping it all the way across a continent, then bck up for distribution ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126
That could very well be the case. I realized after hitting send, I was probably making an assumption with the baby seat. Could just as easily have been daddy's car, or the grandparents as you say. Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 11:51, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 24/01/2012 5:41 PM, E M wrote: It's amazing when a car is designed and bolted together the right way, how many years of great service it will give, if the maintenance is kept up. If you can keep the tin worm out of a 126, I think they'll go pretty much forever. There was a lady ( I say lady, as there was a baby set in the rear), who had a really lovely 560SEL. She would often park in a nearby mall. I haven't seen the car for over a year now, but whenever I'm there, I always have a look for it. I even left a note on it once, asking her to give me a call if she was ever interested in selling. Never heard from her, but I would be happy to part with the current daily drivers, and just use, and maintain that 560 as my daily car for the rest of my motoring days! Ed 300E You might be surprised at how many cars with child seats in them belong to grandparents these days. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
I am going to go ahead and risk responding before reading the rest of the posts so I might be behind on this one. My understanding is that NG is not that easy to use on road vehicles. There was a recent thread on a boating forum I read where a fellow talked about trying to convert a boat to NG. There are issues with tank size and weight etc. Also NG tends to produce less power. I don't know enough about it to really go much further with this, but generally it is easier said than don. Randy On 25/01/2012 9:12 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Nothing that makes sense for the people will happen. Americans are too bullheaded to change. Gummit (I like that term.) is too greedy. Why use natural gas? The pipleliners I speak to around here(they are working in northern PA.) tell me there are huge reserves of oil under all of the gas. What they are doing now is pumping out gas and capping oil wells. They speculate that there is more oil under the USA than several Saudi Arabias. Imagine the chaos that would ensue if the public knew we have these huge reserves but still pay out trillions to import oil. Hush, hush is the rule for the gas workers. Mike On Jan 25, 2012 9:34 AM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it will be done. The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would have to be built out. But it probably would make best sense for fleet vehicles that could be refueled from a central location. --R On 1/25/12 9:21 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: What I wanted to hear last night was Look, oil is expensive but natural gas is plentiful and the price is really now and projected to stay that way. Let's take steps (as T Boone Pickens suggests) to massivlely convert trucks from diesel to the use of natural gas. Maybe we could do something similar for passenger vehicles. A little goose from the gov'r. and then the private markets will do the rest. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Starter spinning -
Had that happen on several cars. Whacking the solenoid with a a mallet or hammer usually unstuck it. On one car where the starter was inaccessible, I stuck a metal pipe down and bumped it with that. Gerry From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Solenoid stuck ? Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 11:53, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hey gang - My son is now the owner of our long term 78 240D and this morning he said it was making a funny noise. He's technically challenged, what can I say? So i go out and the starter is spinning but not engaging the flywheel. The key was out of the ognition and it kept spinning - I had to pull the neg terminal from the battery to stop it - and when I tried to put the battery cable back on the starter started spinning again. The starter did not get hot - but I guess it wasn't under any real load. Is this a starter pinion issue or ring gear issue? Or possibly either? When I did an engine rebuild several years ago both gears looked fine and I've never heard it grind as if missing teeth (like my MGB). What's the best course of action? Thanks - LarryT 78 240D 91 300D __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1416 / Virus Database: 2109/4765 - Release Date: 01/25/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who wanted an SL? And WOW!
The clean title alone is worth $1K even if the engine is burnt! On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Here is a brace of SLs for the discerning buyer: Nice:  charleston.craigslist.org/cto/280002.html Crack addict:  charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2813556834.html  ran when parked [20 yr ago] Wow, who knew they were so valuable?  charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2808037864.html Oh, and here is a really good deal from another crackhead:  charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2793071078.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
I don't know much about it either, but I do know you don't get much range with a tank of NG, hence why there were used mostly in the city. That's one reason they were used for city vehicles and taxis. They say it burns very clean though, and when they were overhauling engines, noticed a big difference. For awhile, a large percentage of taxis here (usually the older Crown Vics, and Caprices) were using natural gas, along with city trucks and some buses. For whatever reason, NG seems to have fallen out of favour. There are more Toyota cabs running on gas now, and while most buses still run diesel, we see more hybrid buses than NG ones. Over the last 6 months, they have also removed many of the NG filling stations around town, saying they just weren't profitable. It would appear, NG has fallen out of favour, and in it's place, hybrid electric. I don't understand most of it, but I'm sure government incentives, image, etc., play into it as much as anything here. Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 12:05, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I am going to go ahead and risk responding before reading the rest of the posts so I might be behind on this one. My understanding is that NG is not that easy to use on road vehicles. There was a recent thread on a boating forum I read where a fellow talked about trying to convert a boat to NG. There are issues with tank size and weight etc. Also NG tends to produce less power. I don't know enough about it to really go much further with this, but generally it is easier said than don. Randy On 25/01/2012 9:12 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Nothing that makes sense for the people will happen. Americans are too bullheaded to change. Gummit (I like that term.) is too greedy. Why use natural gas? The pipleliners I speak to around here(they are working in northern PA.) tell me there are huge reserves of oil under all of the gas. What they are doing now is pumping out gas and capping oil wells. They speculate that there is more oil under the USA than several Saudi Arabias. Imagine the chaos that would ensue if the public knew we have these huge reserves but still pay out trillions to import oil. Hush, hush is the rule for the gas workers. Mike On Jan 25, 2012 9:34 AM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79TD300@** constructivity.net richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it will be done. The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would have to be built out. But it probably would make best sense for fleet vehicles that could be refueled from a central location. --R On 1/25/12 9:21 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: What I wanted to hear last night was Look, oil is expensive but natural gas is plentiful and the price is really now and projected to stay that way. Let's take steps (as T Boone Pickens suggests) to massivlely convert trucks from diesel to the use of natural gas. Maybe we could do something similar for passenger vehicles. A little goose from the gov'r. and then the private markets will do the rest. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
I would be OK with turning the NG into diesel. On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I am going to go ahead and risk responding before reading the rest of the posts so I might be behind on this one. My understanding is that NG is not that easy to use on road vehicles. There was a recent thread on a boating forum I read where a fellow talked about trying to convert a boat to NG. There are issues with tank size and weight etc. Also NG tends to produce less power. I don't know enough about it to really go much further with this, but generally it is easier said than don. Randy On 25/01/2012 9:12 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Nothing that makes sense for the people will happen. Â Americans are too bullheaded to change. Â Gummit (I like that term.) is too greedy. Â Why use natural gas? Â The pipleliners I speak to around here(they are working in northern PA.) tell me there are huge reserves of oil under all of the gas. What they are doing now is pumping out gas and capping oil wells. Â They speculate that there is more oil under the USA than several Saudi Arabias. Imagine the chaos that would ensue if the public knew we have these huge reserves but still pay out trillions to import oil. Â Hush, hush is the rule for the gas workers. Mike On Jan 25, 2012 9:34 AM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it will be done. Â The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would have to be built out. Â But it probably would make best sense for fleet vehicles that could be refueled from a central location. --R On 1/25/12 9:21 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: What I wanted to hear last night was Look, oil is expensive but natural gas is plentiful and the price is really now and projected to stay that way. Â Let's take steps (as T Boone Pickens suggests) to massivlely convert trucks from diesel to the use of natural gas. Maybe we could do something similar for passenger vehicles. Â A little goose from the gov'r. and then the private markets will do the rest. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why you DON'T want to install a WVO kit...
Just in the number of engines that are dead because the WVO didn't completely combust and collects around the rings and cylinder walls. That, and no definite research that proves an engine can last when using a fuel that is thicker than diesel at 32F. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 1/25/2012 8:15 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Is there any documented study of the problems that the use of WVO causes on Mercedes diesels? Or is this just anecdotal? On 1/25/12, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: No one who can afford a new Benz diesel is going to run it on wvo from new. Why do you think this is? Maybe because WVO is not proven as a good fuel source and is a ticking time bomb beginning the engine destruction process? You might save money now, but start stocking up on used engines, you'll need them soon. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 1/24/2012 4:38 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Hence all of the dead wvo cars. They all did not end up in the boneyard from a wvo related issue. Cheapskate wvo users don't generally keep up on maintenance. My cheap Mercedes drives like it should, gets taken care of like it should and treats me well. As far as a documented 300k miles on wvo, good luck with that. No one who can afford a new Benz diesel is going to run it on wvo from new. I will gladly replace an injector pump eventually, I have saved around $1500 or so on fuel with just this car, I can afford to fix it for that kind of savings. Mike On Jan 24, 2012 12:23 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Because WVO is almost never done well. Almost always some idiot is running cold WVO (or not completely heated WVO) straight into the engine. I'm not completely opposed to cold WVO if its mixed with diesel but not straight and not for short drives around town. It also seems to me that WVO cars have loads of other maintenance issues. Like the owners put all their money into a poorly designed WVO system and ignored massive issues with the car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why you DON'T want to install a WVO kit...
On 25/01/2012 8:15 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Is there any documented study of the problems that the use of WVO causes on Mercedes diesels? Or is this just anecdotal? I am certain I have read that the average WVO conversion is shot within 15 to 20K miles. However, the bottom line is that the vehicle is probably close to the end of its life in most cases to start with. And, of course, most folks doing this have little clue about how to do it at the outset and probably do not produce reasonable quality fuel. Thus, the stats are somewhat skewed. You might do a whole lot better if you start with a reasonable vehicle and spend the time and effort to produce quality fuel but I doubt that there is any real proof one way or the other as to whether it is a potential problem or not. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
On 25/01/2012 11:16 AM, E M wrote: I don't know much about it either, but I do know you don't get much range with a tank of NG, hence why there were used mostly in the city. That's one reason they were used for city vehicles and taxis. They say it burns very clean though, and when they were overhauling engines, noticed a big difference. For awhile, a large percentage of taxis here (usually the older Crown Vics, and Caprices) were using natural gas, along with city trucks and some buses. For whatever reason, NG seems to have fallen out of favour. There are more Toyota cabs running on gas now, and while most buses still run diesel, we see more hybrid buses than NG ones. Over the last 6 months, they have also removed many of the NG filling stations around town, saying they just weren't profitable. It would appear, NG has fallen out of favour, and in it's place, hybrid electric. I don't understand most of it, but I'm sure government incentives, image, etc., play into it as much as anything here. Ed 300E I suspect you mean they ran on propane. We had that for a long while here to. Most of the cabs were running propane for a few years as it was a lot cheaper than gasoline and they were running big old GM and Ford products for the most part. Propane is essentially a liquid. NG has to be compressed so it tends to be a different thing to work with. The other thing is that there is a loss of power with such a conversion. I think they suggest a 15 to 20 % loss of power on a conversion from gasoline to propane. Go to NG and it is even lower. So, the big V8's were capable of losing some power and still running fine around town as cabs. Not so sure it would be as easy to do with a small engine. Not many of the big old engines still running around out there. I suspect that one of the reasons they fell from favour is that the conversions were for carbed cars and there have been few of those since about 1986. I don't think the fuel injection setups are as easy to convert. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
On 25/01/2012 11:17 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I would be OK with turning the NG into diesel. I would think we need to know what that involves. Is it something that is readily doable and makes sense? Or is it like the growing of corn to make fuel? Most don't think that is a feasible thing to do. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Northern Tool
'Haven't bought anything from 'em, yet; 'probably won't. Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Northern Tool On Jan 25, 2012 7:33 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Stopped by a Northern Tool store in Raleigh yesterday. FWIW Northern Tool is on my naughty list (as in gonna find out who's been naughty and nice). They seem to sell all the same Chinese stuff as Harbor Freight but their prices are 20-30% higher. And, around here at least, HF has a no-questions-asked return policy for anything within the warranty period, whereas it was like pulling teeth when I tried to get Northern Tool to replace a defective electric log splitter they'd sent me. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Starter spinning -
LarryT, et al. The solenoid assembly is passing power to the motor without pulling the driven gear into mesh with the flywheel. Perhaps the bridging contact is stuck or welded to one post or both. Adjusting its' attitude with a brass hammer may well free it up. My $0.02 worth. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 1/25/2012 11:53 AM, Larry T wrote: Hey gang - My son is now the owner of our long term 78 240D and this morning he said it was making a funny noise. He's technically challenged, what can I say? So i go out and the starter is spinning but not engaging the flywheel. The key was out of the ognition and it kept spinning - I had to pull the neg terminal from the battery to stop it - and when I tried to put the battery cable back on the starter started spinning again. The starter did not get hot - but I guess it wasn't under any real load. Is this a starter pinion issue or ring gear issue? Or possibly either? When I did an engine rebuild several years ago both gears looked fine and I've never heard it grind as if missing teeth (like my MGB). What's the best course of action? Thanks - LarryT 78 240D 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
You're right Randy, propane. I know as the same filling station I used to fill up the propane tanks for the BBQ, also had a lineup of taxis waiting to fill up. The older style cabs are pretty much all gone now, replaced with smaller vehicles. I think for the most part, they've just gone back to running gas. I believe there is a rule here, where a taxi can't be more than 4-5 years old or something. I asked one driver years ago, when they were using the big V8 cars, how many miles did they get out of an engine. He said at the time, they usually trade them in when they get to about 750,000 kms. And that was with little more than regular oil changes. Guess even those old V8s go a long time, if given just a bit of care. :-) Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 12:25, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 25/01/2012 11:16 AM, E M wrote: I don't know much about it either, but I do know you don't get much range with a tank of NG, hence why there were used mostly in the city. That's one reason they were used for city vehicles and taxis. They say it burns very clean though, and when they were overhauling engines, noticed a big difference. For awhile, a large percentage of taxis here (usually the older Crown Vics, and Caprices) were using natural gas, along with city trucks and some buses. For whatever reason, NG seems to have fallen out of favour. There are more Toyota cabs running on gas now, and while most buses still run diesel, we see more hybrid buses than NG ones. Over the last 6 months, they have also removed many of the NG filling stations around town, saying they just weren't profitable. It would appear, NG has fallen out of favour, and in it's place, hybrid electric. I don't understand most of it, but I'm sure government incentives, image, etc., play into it as much as anything here. Ed 300E I suspect you mean they ran on propane. We had that for a long while here to. Most of the cabs were running propane for a few years as it was a lot cheaper than gasoline and they were running big old GM and Ford products for the most part. Propane is essentially a liquid. NG has to be compressed so it tends to be a different thing to work with. The other thing is that there is a loss of power with such a conversion. I think they suggest a 15 to 20 % loss of power on a conversion from gasoline to propane. Go to NG and it is even lower. So, the big V8's were capable of losing some power and still running fine around town as cabs. Not so sure it would be as easy to do with a small engine. Not many of the big old engines still running around out there. I suspect that one of the reasons they fell from favour is that the conversions were for carbed cars and there have been few of those since about 1986. I don't think the fuel injection setups are as easy to convert. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Starter spinning -
A brass hammer, Larry. See, you can fix just about anything with a hammer, providing you have the right hammer. ;-) What's that old saying, If you can't fix it with a hammer, you just need a larger selection of hammers. hee hee Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 13:05, Fred Moir fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: LarryT, et al. The solenoid assembly is passing power to the motor without pulling the driven gear into mesh with the flywheel. Perhaps the bridging contact is stuck or welded to one post or both. Adjusting its' attitude with a brass hammer may well free it up. My $0.02 worth. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 1/25/2012 11:53 AM, Larry T wrote: Hey gang - My son is now the owner of our long term 78 240D and this morning he said it was making a funny noise. He's technically challenged, what can I say? So i go out and the starter is spinning but not engaging the flywheel. The key was out of the ognition and it kept spinning - I had to pull the neg terminal from the battery to stop it - and when I tried to put the battery cable back on the starter started spinning again. The starter did not get hot - but I guess it wasn't under any real load. Is this a starter pinion issue or ring gear issue? Or possibly either? When I did an engine rebuild several years ago both gears looked fine and I've never heard it grind as if missing teeth (like my MGB). What's the best course of action? Thanks - LarryT 78 240D 91 300D __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm amazed
Cold pressure after work before the drive home. -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:47:04 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm amazed Message-ID: CANth8RUrr7U4O+n4BgwZTgs0u7D5rs=u_m7om9g9eopf37j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 After work, did you check the pressures cold, or after your drive home? My backside is quite sensitive to differences in tire pressures. I can feel a 4 lb difference, but I'm a little surprised it would take your car from being really stable, to where the back end feels like it's walking all over the place. I guess some cars are more sensitive to pressure changes than others. Wasn't the old 300SEL 6.3 really sensitive to tire pressures, or they had something funky going on with the tires, that owners often complained about ?? Ed 300E On 24 January 2012 21:16, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I put the snowtires from my '83 240D onto my '78 240D the other day. They were a little squirmy at first but I figured they just needed to get fully warmed up with a good drive, they've been sitting over a year after all. So I aired them up good Sunday night for the drive to work Monday morning. On the way to work Monday when I hit 65mph the car suddenly got VERY squirrelly. The rear end felt like it really wanted to wag. I slowed down and it was fine again, any time I was over 65mph though it would get all weird. After work I took a look at tire pressure hoping one tire had gone low and realized I had mistakenly put 32psi in the FRONT and 30psi in the REAR. I bled the fronts down to 28psi and on the way home powered up to 75mph with no stability issues at all. In retrospect the feeling was almost exactly like when a trailer with to little tongue weight tries to wag the truck. It amazes me that tire pressure can have that effect... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm amazed
Compared to a 201/124 there aren't hardly any components in the rear of a 123 and no, it was all replaced within the last 5 years. -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:55:51 -0600 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm amazed Message-ID: blu0-p3-eas75165021ee98fc1e3ccc56dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jan 24, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: It amazes me that tire pressure can have that effect... I imagine all the rubber in the rear suspension is nearly worn out too. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm amazed
You can't really compare a 124/201 suspension with a 123 they're totally different. Bad rear links in a 124/201 will result in a scary ride... When I got my '84 190D I had all the rear links replaced immediately, it rides great. -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:25:44 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm amazed Message-ID: CANth8RVwysfEo+ZdNXEMS4=c5n=x7o-d-wcg2a7mldwwo8u...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Could be that too. When I first got the 300E, I found the back end didn't feel like what I thought it should, so I had the guy doing the inspection give it a good look over. I had a lot of the rubber bits changed, and it went around corners much better after that. It didn't feel really bad, but it didn't track as it should. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
I hear the network of CNG stations argument and it doesn't make much sense to me. Why can't a CNG pump (or pump equivalent) be added to the existing network of stations, or some of the existing network of stations? I've seen this at a few stations in greater LA already... -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:33:55 -0500 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ... Message-ID: 4f2012d3.5010...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it will be done. The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would have to be built out. But it probably would make best sense for fleet vehicles that could be refueled from a central location. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126
Oooh I do love a 116. A friend had a 116 300SD and we switched cars for a weekend, what a great car! Only downside is they do rust badly, worse than a 123 I think. -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:22:01 + (UTC) From: roger...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126 Message-ID: 591417085.298578.1327508520963.javamail.r...@sz0097a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Rich , Being the owner of a 116 300SD for around 14 years, I too think the 126 is blimp like. But most of all, I dislike the plastic bumpers and plastic around the bottom of the car. More places for rust to hide and easier to scrape and need painting if bumped. If you take a trip in a 116, you'll enjoy the old Benz engineering; softer ride, better seats, great cruiser. I know we all love our individual selection of cars. I also have a 123 which I seriously enjoy for around town, but on the interstate, the 116 beats the 123 for comfort. Again, just my opinion. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Starter spinning -
Ummm, its either a key issue or a solenoid issue. The starter should stop when the key is not in the start position. More than likely its time for a new starter/solenoid. -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:53:58 -0500 From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Starter spinning - Message-ID: 4f2033a6.5050...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hey gang - My son is now the owner of our long term 78 240D and this morning he said it was making a funny noise. He's technically challenged, what can I say? So i go out and the starter is spinning but not engaging the flywheel. The key was out of the ognition and it kept spinning - I had to pull the neg terminal from the battery to stop it - and when I tried to put the battery cable back on the starter started spinning again. The starter did not get hot - but I guess it wasn't under any real load. Is this a starter pinion issue or ring gear issue? Or possibly either? When I did an engine rebuild several years ago both gears looked fine and I've never heard it grind as if missing teeth (like my MGB). What's the best course of action? Thanks - LarryT 78 240D 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Starter spinning -
Bad solenoid. The disk in the solenoid that connects the battery cable to the starter is welded to the internal contacts, I would venture. This happening without the solenoid retracting the plunger and causing the pinion to engage the ring gear. Replace the solenoid, or better yet, replace the whole starter with a Bosch rebuild from Rusty. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hey gang - My son is now the owner of our long term 78 240D and this morning he said it was making a funny noise. He's technically challenged, what can I say? So i go out and the starter is spinning but not engaging the flywheel. The key was out of the ognition and it kept spinning - I had to pull the neg terminal from the battery to stop it - and when I tried to put the battery cable back on the starter started spinning again. The starter did not get hot - but I guess it wasn't under any real load. Is this a starter pinion issue or ring gear issue? Or possibly either? When I did an engine rebuild several years ago both gears looked fine and I've never heard it grind as if missing teeth (like my MGB). What's the best course of action? Thanks - LarryT 78 240D 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
The best thing ever to happen to combustion engine powered weed whacker is running on Propane. Most small engines that are infrequently used will have old gummed up fuel in them, running from a 1# propane bottle eliminates that problem. Still I think a new 300hp engine that loses 20% is still fairly powerful don't you? I'd take 260hp if it meant the fuel was cheaper. -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:25:05 -0600 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ... Message-ID: 4f203af1.5060...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 25/01/2012 11:16 AM, E M wrote: I don't know much about it either, but I do know you don't get much range with a tank of NG, hence why there were used mostly in the city. That's one reason they were used for city vehicles and taxis. They say it burns very clean though, and when they were overhauling engines, noticed a big difference. For awhile, a large percentage of taxis here (usually the older Crown Vics, and Caprices) were using natural gas, along with city trucks and some buses. For whatever reason, NG seems to have fallen out of favour. There are more Toyota cabs running on gas now, and while most buses still run diesel, we see more hybrid buses than NG ones. Over the last 6 months, they have also removed many of the NG filling stations around town, saying they just weren't profitable. It would appear, NG has fallen out of favour, and in it's place, hybrid electric. I don't understand most of it, but I'm sure government incentives, image, etc., play into it as much as anything here. Ed 300E I suspect you mean they ran on propane. We had that for a long while here to. Most of the cabs were running propane for a few years as it was a lot cheaper than gasoline and they were running big old GM and Ford products for the most part. Propane is essentially a liquid. NG has to be compressed so it tends to be a different thing to work with. The other thing is that there is a loss of power with such a conversion. I think they suggest a 15 to 20 % loss of power on a conversion from gasoline to propane. Go to NG and it is even lower. So, the big V8's were capable of losing some power and still running fine around town as cabs. Not so sure it would be as easy to do with a small engine. Not many of the big old engines still running around out there. I suspect that one of the reasons they fell from favour is that the conversions were for carbed cars and there have been few of those since about 1986. I don't think the fuel injection setups are as easy to convert. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126
A number of years ago, an elderly fellow in my area had one, and his son bought one too. They were really nice examples, and only had a bit or rust around the headlights. I hear if you can see a bit or rust on a W116, it means there's lots more there that you can't see. He later sold it and replaced it with a BMW 7 series. He said he missed the ride of the old SD. Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 13:44, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Oooh I do love a 116. A friend had a 116 300SD and we switched cars for a weekend, what a great car! Only downside is they do rust badly, worse than a 123 I think. -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:22:01 + (UTC) From: roger...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126 Message-ID: 591417085.298578.1327508520963.javamail.r...@sz0097a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Rich , Being the owner of a 116 300SD for around 14 years, I too think the 126 is blimp like. But most of all, I dislike the plastic bumpers and plastic around the bottom of the car. More places for rust to hide and easier to scrape and need painting if bumped. If you take a trip in a 116, you'll enjoy the old Benz engineering; softer ride, better seats, great cruiser. I know we all love our individual selection of cars. I also have a 123 which I seriously enjoy for around town, but on the interstate, the 116 beats the 123 for comfort. Again, just my opinion. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
Randy, The last I read on this a couple of years ago was that the Germans developed synthetic diesel from natural gas during WWII because they obviously had trouble getting regular diesel. Then a few years ago, one of the universities on the left coast reported to have reduced the process to 4 steps. Their report said that synthetic diesel produced better mileage, better power, and near zero emissions. Also, they were looking at a portable production plant that could be moved to some of the remote fields for processing and then truck the fuel to nearby pipelines for distribution. As someone else noted about the lack of NG fueling stations, that would not be the case as we already have diesel tanks and stations throughout the country. As a side note, T Boone Pickens, like others, promote what they think will make them money...to heck with you and me. Just some extra info. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126
My 80 300SD has a slight rust spot on one rear fender because the crazy cloth stuff MB put inside the trunk area holds moisture against the metal. Otherwise, it has no rust and my son-in-law has checked it and he does customized car work. I think a lot of the northern 116s rusted because the owners did not take the time to wash the salt out from inside fenders, inside the engine compartment, etc. I always to that after any salt encounterand yes, we don't use much salt here in the Atlanta area. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Starter spinning -
Thanks Fred (and Ed) A Hammer! Who'da thunk it? If at first you don't succeed? get a bigger hammer! Thanks - I'll give it a shot - If the hammer trick doesn't work, I assume I can replace the solenoid or try to unweld it? Wonder if the Solenoid can be replaced w/o removing the starter? I always hated pulling a starter because they're so darned heavy and hard to hold in place while the fasteners are started! Plus, the MB starter bolts are really hard to reach - Thanks though - now I understand the problem. Larry - On 1/25/2012 1:05 PM, Fred Moir wrote: LarryT, et al. The solenoid assembly is passing power to the motor without pulling the driven gear into mesh with the flywheel. Perhaps the bridging contact is stuck or welded to one post or both. Adjusting its' attitude with a brass hammer may well free it up. My $0.02 worth. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 1/25/2012 11:53 AM, Larry T wrote: Hey gang - My son is now the owner of our long term 78 240D and this morning he said it was making a funny noise. He's technically challenged, what can I say? So i go out and the starter is spinning but not engaging the flywheel. The key was out of the ognition and it kept spinning - I had to pull the neg terminal from the battery to stop it - and when I tried to put the battery cable back on the starter started spinning again. The starter did not get hot - but I guess it wasn't under any real load. Is this a starter pinion issue or ring gear issue? Or possibly either? When I did an engine rebuild several years ago both gears looked fine and I've never heard it grind as if missing teeth (like my MGB). What's the best course of action? Thanks - LarryT 78 240D 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Starter spinning -
Thanks again to Curt and Dan!! LarryT On 1/25/2012 1:52 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Bad solenoid. The disk in the solenoid that connects the battery cable to the starter is welded to the internal contacts, I would venture. This happening without the solenoid retracting the plunger and causing the pinion to engage the ring gear. Replace the solenoid, or better yet, replace the whole starter with a Bosch rebuild from Rusty. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Larry Tl02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hey gang - My son is now the owner of our long term 78 240D and this morning he said it was making a funny noise. He's technically challenged, what can I say? So i go out and the starter is spinning but not engaging the flywheel. The key was out of the ognition and it kept spinning - I had to pull the neg terminal from the battery to stop it - and when I tried to put the battery cable back on the starter started spinning again. The starter did not get hot - but I guess it wasn't under any real load. Is this a starter pinion issue or ring gear issue? Or possibly either? When I did an engine rebuild several years ago both gears looked fine and I've never heard it grind as if missing teeth (like my MGB). What's the best course of action? Thanks - LarryT 78 240D 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
Here in Winnipeg, almost all cabs are Toyota Prius now, except for the mini-vans. Good test for a Prius I assume. They are putting lots of miles on them through all sorts of weather. Randy On 25/01/2012 12:07 PM, E M wrote: You're right Randy, propane. I know as the same filling station I used to fill up the propane tanks for the BBQ, also had a lineup of taxis waiting to fill up. The older style cabs are pretty much all gone now, replaced with smaller vehicles. I think for the most part, they've just gone back to running gas. I believe there is a rule here, where a taxi can't be more than 4-5 years old or something. I asked one driver years ago, when they were using the big V8 cars, how many miles did they get out of an engine. He said at the time, they usually trade them in when they get to about 750,000 kms. And that was with little more than regular oil changes. Guess even those old V8s go a long time, if given just a bit of care. :-) Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 12:25, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 25/01/2012 11:16 AM, E M wrote: I don't know much about it either, but I do know you don't get much range with a tank of NG, hence why there were used mostly in the city. That's one reason they were used for city vehicles and taxis. They say it burns very clean though, and when they were overhauling engines, noticed a big difference. For awhile, a large percentage of taxis here (usually the older Crown Vics, and Caprices) were using natural gas, along with city trucks and some buses. For whatever reason, NG seems to have fallen out of favour. There are more Toyota cabs running on gas now, and while most buses still run diesel, we see more hybrid buses than NG ones. Over the last 6 months, they have also removed many of the NG filling stations around town, saying they just weren't profitable. It would appear, NG has fallen out of favour, and in it's place, hybrid electric. I don't understand most of it, but I'm sure government incentives, image, etc., play into it as much as anything here. Ed 300E I suspect you mean they ran on propane. We had that for a long while here to. Most of the cabs were running propane for a few years as it was a lot cheaper than gasoline and they were running big old GM and Ford products for the most part. Propane is essentially a liquid. NG has to be compressed so it tends to be a different thing to work with. The other thing is that there is a loss of power with such a conversion. I think they suggest a 15 to 20 % loss of power on a conversion from gasoline to propane. Go to NG and it is even lower. So, the big V8's were capable of losing some power and still running fine around town as cabs. Not so sure it would be as easy to do with a small engine. Not many of the big old engines still running around out there. I suspect that one of the reasons they fell from favour is that the conversions were for carbed cars and there have been few of those since about 1986. I don't think the fuel injection setups are as easy to convert. Randy __**_ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
Are they in bunkers? A friend who visited Italy a few years back told of waiting for the car to be filled up. The car was driven into a bunker under ground and everyone stayed well away while it was filled. I believe he also said it had no usable trunk as the whole thing was filled with the gas cylinders. I don't know for certain that was CNG but it must have been that or something similar. He also said it was much cheaper than gasoline in Italy. Randy On 25/01/2012 12:39 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I hear the network of CNG stations argument and it doesn't make much sense to me. Why can't a CNG pump (or pump equivalent) be added to the existing network of stations, or some of the existing network of stations? I've seen this at a few stations in greater LA already... -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:33:55 -0500 From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ... Message-ID:4f2012d3.5010...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it will be done. The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would have to be built out. But it probably would make best sense for fleet vehicles that could be refueled from a central location. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Starter spinning -
Might wish to see if the contacts are available if the rest of it looks to be ok. I know from experience that the contacts on a Toyota starter wear out but one can get new ones and put them in. I did that with our 95 4Runner a number of years ago and it is still working fine. I think the contacts cost about $3 but they are probably more now as copper has become more expensive. I gather from talking to the parts guy at the local generic store that the same sort of thing is doable on the Dodge mini-van starters of the era. Randy On 25/01/2012 1:42 PM, Larry T wrote: Thanks Fred (and Ed) A Hammer! Who'da thunk it? If at first you don't succeed? get a bigger hammer! Thanks - I'll give it a shot - If the hammer trick doesn't work, I assume I can replace the solenoid or try to unweld it? Wonder if the Solenoid can be replaced w/o removing the starter? I always hated pulling a starter because they're so darned heavy and hard to hold in place while the fasteners are started! Plus, the MB starter bolts are really hard to reach - Thanks though - now I understand the problem. Larry - On 1/25/2012 1:05 PM, Fred Moir wrote: LarryT, et al. The solenoid assembly is passing power to the motor without pulling the driven gear into mesh with the flywheel. Perhaps the bridging contact is stuck or welded to one post or both. Adjusting its' attitude with a brass hammer may well free it up. My $0.02 worth. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 1/25/2012 11:53 AM, Larry T wrote: Hey gang - My son is now the owner of our long term 78 240D and this morning he said it was making a funny noise. He's technically challenged, what can I say? So i go out and the starter is spinning but not engaging the flywheel. The key was out of the ognition and it kept spinning - I had to pull the neg terminal from the battery to stop it - and when I tried to put the battery cable back on the starter started spinning again. The starter did not get hot - but I guess it wasn't under any real load. Is this a starter pinion issue or ring gear issue? Or possibly either? When I did an engine rebuild several years ago both gears looked fine and I've never heard it grind as if missing teeth (like my MGB). What's the best course of action? Thanks - LarryT 78 240D 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
Capital investment, and probably some huge set of gummint regulatory requirements, safety and legal liabilities and such. Then you would have to hire someone to pump the stuff so as to lessen liability, and you would have to train that person then pay him/her so s/he does not bolt down the street for more money -- not your usual convenience store clerk. A fleet usually has a limited-access lot, and various people around, and limited hours, etc. ---R On 1/25/12 1:39 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I hear the network of CNG stations argument and it doesn't make much sense to me. Why can't a CNG pump (or pump equivalent) be added to the existing network of stations, or some of the existing network of stations? I've seen this at a few stations in greater LA already... -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:33:55 -0500 From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ... Message-ID:4f2012d3.5010...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it will be done. The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would have to be built out. But it probably would make best sense for fleet vehicles that could be refueled from a central location. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126
I agree that the earlier cars are slicker looking, but I still like the 126 too. I have not ridden in a 116 so cannot compare ride, etc. but it is a nice looking style. --R On 1/25/12 11:22 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Rich , Being the owner of a 116 300SD for around 14 years, I too think the 126 is blimp like. But most of all, I dislike the plastic bumpers and plastic around the bottom of the car. More places for rust to hide and easier to scrape and need painting if bumped. If you take a trip in a 116, you'll enjoy the old Benz engineering; softer ride, better seats, great cruiser. I know we all love our individual selection of cars. I also have a 123 which I seriously enjoy for around town, but on the interstate, the 116 beats the 123 for comfort. Again, just my opinion. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
I heard on the radio the other day that current proven reserves in the US for oil (not including gas) exceed Saudi Arabia and a bunch of the other ME reserves thrown in. I sometimes wonder if it is better to use up their oil (ignoring the political aspects) and save domestic stuff for later. And Brazil has found huge reserves offshore too. The stuff seems to be everywhere! --R On 1/25/12 10:12 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: The pipleliners I speak to around here(they are working in northern PA.) tell me there are huge reserves of oil under all of the gas. What they are doing now is pumping out gas and capping oil wells. They speculate that there is more oil under the USA than several Saudi Arabias. Imagine the chaos that would ensue if the public knew we have these huge reserves but still pay out trillions to import oil. Hush, hush is the rule for the gas workers. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
Most engines will go a long time if you start them up and leave them on all day... -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:07:26 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ... Message-ID: canth8rvax52zundpuh_1wdmd-fmmrvn7d0uamiwmtv+arvf...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You're right Randy, propane. I know as the same filling station I used to fill up the propane tanks for the BBQ, also had a lineup of taxis waiting to fill up. The older style cabs are pretty much all gone now, replaced with smaller vehicles. I think for the most part, they've just gone back to running gas. I believe there is a rule here, where a taxi can't be more than 4-5 years old or something. I asked one driver years ago, when they were using the big V8 cars, how many miles did they get out of an engine. He said at the time, they usually trade them in when they get to about 750,000 kms. And that was with little more than regular oil changes. Guess even those old V8s go a long time, if given just a bit of care. :-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
That is what they claim to be up to. Seems way too costly for some oil. But then think about the idea of the USA having control of the world oil market when the rest of the world's oil is used up. Mike On Jan 25, 2012 3:32 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I heard on the radio the other day that current proven reserves in the US for oil (not including gas) exceed Saudi Arabia and a bunch of the other ME reserves thrown in. I sometimes wonder if it is better to use up their oil (ignoring the political aspects) and save domestic stuff for later. And Brazil has found huge reserves offshore too. The stuff seems to be everywhere! --R On 1/25/12 10:12 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: The pipleliners I speak to around here(they are working in northern PA.) tell me there are huge reserves of oil under all of the gas. What they are doing now is pumping out gas and capping oil wells. They speculate that there is more oil under the USA than several Saudi Arabias. Imagine the chaos that would ensue if the public knew we have these huge reserves but still pay out trillions to import oil. Hush, hush is the rule for the gas workers. Mike __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Northern Tool
WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Stopped by a Northern Tool store in Raleigh yesterday. 'Had a flood of ideas for my walker as I walked/hobbled past many small engines (5 hp to 15/18 hp, etc). I have a four-stroke weed trimmer that a neighbor threw out, looks like it needs new fuel lines (ethanol dissolved the old?). I'll give it to you if you'd like to re-power something. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why you DON'T want to install a WVO kit...
andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any documented study of the problems that the use of WVO causes on Mercedes diesels? Or is this just anecdotal? A few years ago I found one that a university published, they used SVO (straight aka virgin oil). Found dramatic wear, don't remember if they heated the oil, suspect they didn't. The university was in the midwest, I assume they would have preferred the opposite result. I also know of folks like Mike who have tens of thousands of miles on WVO, no dead engine. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
On 25/01/2012 12:54 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: The best thing ever to happen to combustion engine powered weed whacker is running on Propane. Most small engines that are infrequently used will have old gummed up fuel in them, running from a 1# propane bottle eliminates that problem. Still I think a new 300hp engine that loses 20% is still fairly powerful don't you? I'd take 260hp if it meant the fuel was cheaper. -Curt So is there a propane powered weed whacker or is this something you created? I have never heard of such an animal. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why you DON'T want to install a WVO kit...
I have one dead engine. A 6.2 gm. It has over 350k miles and for the last 5000 miles or so the injector pump was so worn that it would not run on regular diesel. It would run on wvo quite well as the thicker fuel must have made up for wear in the pump. Started it on ether with cold wvo down to 40 degrees F and it still runs. A replacement engine is costing me $500 qith 53k miles on it. Beats the heck out of truck payments, obd2 computer issues and fuel stops that require a backpack to carry the cash. I have about 40k miles on wvo with that truck. Mike On Jan 25, 2012 4:31 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any documented study of the problems that the use of WVO causes on Mercedes diesels? Or is this just anecdotal? A few years ago I found one that a university published, they used SVO (straight aka virgin oil). Found dramatic wear, don't remember if they heated the oil, suspect they didn't. The university was in the midwest, I assume they would have preferred the opposite result. I also know of folks like Mike who have tens of thousands of miles on WVO, no dead engine. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: So is there a propane powered weed whacker or is this something you created? Wilton could re-power his chair/walker with my dead four-stroke and convert to propane! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
On 25/01/2012 3:55 PM, Max wrote: Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: So is there a propane powered weed whacker or is this something you created? Wilton could re-power his chair/walker with my dead four-stroke and convert to propane! No, he needs a diesel. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
What he really wants is a flat six. ;-) Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 17:00, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 25/01/2012 3:55 PM, Max wrote: Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: So is there a propane powered weed whacker or is this something you created? Wilton could re-power his chair/walker with my dead four-stroke and convert to propane! No, he needs a diesel. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
I think that is probably a big part of it. I think most machines prefer constant use, to being cycled. Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 15:46, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Most engines will go a long time if you start them up and leave them on all day... -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:07:26 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ... Message-ID: canth8rvax52zundpuh_1wdmd-fmmrvn7d0uamiwmtv+arvf...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You're right Randy, propane. I know as the same filling station I used to fill up the propane tanks for the BBQ, also had a lineup of taxis waiting to fill up. The older style cabs are pretty much all gone now, replaced with smaller vehicles. I think for the most part, they've just gone back to running gas. I believe there is a rule here, where a taxi can't be more than 4-5 years old or something. I asked one driver years ago, when they were using the big V8 cars, how many miles did they get out of an engine. He said at the time, they usually trade them in when they get to about 750,000 kms. And that was with little more than regular oil changes. Guess even those old V8s go a long time, if given just a bit of care. :-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ..Seat problem.
The passenger seat on my 1985 300SD will move up, down, backward, but not forward. I am thinking that there is only one electric motor which powers the movements in all four directions. If this is so, then the possible causes of the problem would seem to be 1) a loose wire, 2)a bad switch, or 3) maybe a bad relay. What do you think the most probable cause is? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
On Jan 25, 2012 2:17 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I think most machines prefer constant use, to being cycled. Generator Dan can probably speak with authority as to the relative longevity and reliability of the same engine operated under different conditions of load, RPM, and engine temperature (i.e., many warm-up/cool-down cycles vs. steady warm operation). Alex Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing 126
A problem with a lot of the cars in the city is this. They heavily salt the roads, and then the cars are parked in semi-warm garages, or in under ground parking for those living in apartments or condos. The heat is just enough to keep all the snow and salt laden junk to melt and run into every seam and cavity. It really speeds up the rusting process. My rule is, if the car is dirty and salty, it stays outside in bad weather (in my case, all winter cars live outdoors over the winter). Salt+water+heat do not make a good combination. Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 14:31, roger...@comcast.net wrote: My 80 300SD has a slight rust spot on one rear fender because the crazy cloth stuff MB put inside the trunk area holds moisture against the metal. Otherwise, it has no rust and my son-in-law has checked it and he does customized car work. I think a lot of the northern 116s rusted because the owners did not take the time to wash the salt out from inside fenders, inside the engine compartment, etc. I always to that after any salt encounterand yes, we don't use much salt here in the Atlanta area. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ..Seat problem.
As with all problems, start with the really simple silly things first. Make sure there is nothing jammed that is blocking the forward movement. I know I always keep a duster, and an old T shirt under the front seat for wiping down the dash and doors. That's probably not much help, but easy to check, and you never know. ;-) Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 17:24, John P. English johnpengl...@hotmail.com wrote: The passenger seat on my 1985 300SD will move up, down, backward, but not forward. I am thinking that there is only one electric motor which powers the movements in all four directions. If this is so, then the possible causes of the problem would seem to be 1) a loose wire, 2)a bad switch, or 3) maybe a bad relay. What do you think the most probable cause is? __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ..Seat problem.
No, there are multiple motors. I would suggest the switch to begin, you can see if there is power at the pins (and I am not sure which is which). It might also be a ground issue, or a wire gone bad at the door hinge area. I took some seats out of a 300SD, if you want tomorrow I could go out and look at the motor area, see what the wire situation is, take a pic if you want. they are not that bad to get out if you can get at the bolts holding the track to the floor (and they are not rusted). --R On 1/25/12 5:24 PM, John P. English wrote: The passenger seat on my 1985 300SD will move up, down, backward, but not forward. I am thinking that there is only one electric motor which powers the movements in all four directions. If this is so, then the possible causes of the problem would seem to be 1) a loose wire, 2)a bad switch, or 3) maybe a bad relay. What do you think the most probable cause is? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
Yeah, that'd work, too. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ... What he really wants is a flat six. ;-) Ed 300E On 25 January 2012 17:00, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 25/01/2012 3:55 PM, Max wrote: Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: So is there a propane powered weed whacker or is this something you created? Wilton could re-power his chair/walker with my dead four-stroke and convert to propane! No, he needs a diesel. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ..Seat problem.
Forward/backward would have to be the same motor. I'd try to tear the switch apart and clean it first. Works a treat with W116/123/201/124 window and sunroof switches. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ..Seat problem.
On Jan 25, 2012 3:26 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: wire gone bad at the door hinge area. From anecdotal evidence this seems to be a problem mostly on 124s, but I guess any car could get it. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
I suspect you mean they ran on propane. We had that for a long while here to. Most of the cabs were running propane for a few years as it was a lot cheaper than gasoline and they were running big old GM and Ford products for the most part. Propane is essentially a liquid. NG has to be compressed so it tends to be a different thing to work with. The other thing is that there is a loss of power with such a conversion. I think they suggest a 15 to 20 % loss of power on a conversion from gasoline to propane. Go to NG and it is even lower. So, the big V8's were capable of losing some power and still running fine around town as cabs. Not so sure it would be as easy to do with a small engine. Not many of the big old engines still running around out there. I suspect that one of the reasons they fell from favour is that the conversions were for carbed cars and there have been few of those since about 1986. I don't think the fuel injection setups are as easy to convert. Randy Right on several points. 1. A carb gasser is pretty easy to convert to propane. FI gassers with computers are not so easy. 2. I recall about 20% was the number of lost HP on a 'Mericun V8 3. The v-8s in many cars and truck are very de-tuned in stock state compared to Euro engines of the time. That allows lots of cubic inches, and losing 20% does not affect normal driving much. 4. It was propane, not CNG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
I would think we need to know what that [converting NG into gasoline] involves. Is it something that is readily doable and makes sense? Randy Not much different that what is currently done in refineries now. Heavy crude is cracked breaking long chain hydrocarbons into hydrocarbons of the desired length. Shorter for gasoline and longer chains for Diesel. With NG to gasoline (or Diesel) they want to take short chain hydrocarbons into longer chain hydrocarbons. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
I hear the network of CNG stations argument and it doesn't make much sense to me. Why can't a CNG pump (or pump equivalent) be added to the existing network of stations, or some of the existing network of stations? I've seen this at a few stations in greater LA already... -Curt uh! a little thing like the difference between atmospheric pressure and 2000+ PSI. One is not dangerous, and the other is. Have you ever seen the videos of what happens when you knock the valve off an oxygen bottle? Can you say rocket and that is with an oxydizer, but not a fuel. Now add fuel and ignition to the 2000PSI, and you can imagine the conflagration. Then there is the other little secret that good ol Tbone doesn't tell you. We have people who want to disqualify ethanol because it has ~10% fewer BTU/lb than good gasoline. The same people support propane with a 20% fewer BTU/lb and the dangers of a compressed flammable gas. But tbone and many ethanol haters are all in love with CNG with the dangers of 2000 PSI fuel gas, and what? 30-40% of the BTU/lb of gasoline? (Somebody can contribute the right number) There are much better alternative fuels. BioD being best, with a 100% drop in and better (Way better) lubricity than ULSD. Butanol is another. It is a 100% dropin for gasoline, from what I have heard. We are sitting on top of a large percentage of the world oil reserves. We are sitting on top of a much larger percentage of the world coal supplies. The Germans may have made some synthetic fuels out of NG, but the majority was made from coal. The Fiischer-Troph process used to convert coal to synfuels (gasoline and Diesel) is likely the process used to make synfuel out of NG. I am not a chemist, but either way you are breaking hydrocarbons into the lengths you want, so to me the process is pretty similar. SynBioFuels can be made with pretty simple processes. One guy made a crude synDiesel by throwing old tires into a large culvert section, lighting the pile on fire and closing the door. The resulting liquid that drained out was used as is as synDiesel. A mo' bettah design is to pyrolize the coal, then sell the resulting BioSyn crude to a refiner. BTW, the BioSynDiesel is highly desired by refineries, as it has a VERY high cetane rating. They want all they can get as a blending ingredient the same as BioDiesel. It also has better lubricity than the petroDiesel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
I vote for Nebraska as the new home of a refining hub. This will allow for new equipment that is less likely to blow up so much, and if it is close enough to the Missouri river, we can send barges south. clay On Jan 24, 2012, at 8:07 PM, OK Don wrote: We ought to build a refinery or two up north, closer to the source, rther than piping it all the way across a continent, then bck up for distribution. Less interuption form hurricanes in the north as well. More jobs building and operating a refinery than the one time build of a pipe line. Won't happen though - oh well. On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: No need to go to war to try to secure hotspots to get oil. We figure we have enough for both of us for the next 200-300 years, at current and future use. You don't have to be too innovative either, just run a hose up north, and we'll give you all you want, and cheap too. We already offered once, but you didn't seem interested. Really, we're nice guys here, and we would prefer that you, our friends get it. And we're pretty easy going, so if you decide to accept, you won't have to spend trillions keeping the peace in Alberta. hee hee. As a bonus, there's a good chance, whatever you end up giving us for the oil, we'll turn around and spend a good chunk of it on buying U.S. made goods and/or services anyway. Ed 300E Which is exactly why obummer refuses to do it. Much more fun to attack libya and otherwise help the terrorists. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
Do a Google Search for bureau of sabotage Frank Herbert knew something clay On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:33 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: No real need to get goosed by the gummint (we are all getting goosed enough) -- if it makes economic sense (without artificial sense) it will be done. The problem is the network of CNG stations, that would have to be built out. But it probably would make best sense for fleet vehicles that could be refueled from a central location. --R On 1/25/12 9:21 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: What I wanted to hear last night was Look, oil is expensive but natural gas is plentiful and the price is really now and projected to stay that way. Let's take steps (as T Boone Pickens suggests) to massivlely convert trucks from diesel to the use of natural gas. Maybe we could do something similar for passenger vehicles. A little goose from the gov'r. and then the private markets will do the rest. On 1/25/12, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I suspect there are others over in the Gary/East Chicago area as well. At least based on the odors that come from there Once when we were driving through the area at night, my oldest son, who was maybe 4-5 years old at the time, watched the gas flares and all the related stuff as we drove through and remarked to me, This must be what Hell looks like. No, son, Hell probably smells better. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: There's a huge refinery south of Joliet (way south ChiBurb) and I'm willing to bet that it's not the northernmost refinery. That's a good suggestion. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
I am going to go ahead and risk responding before reading the rest of the posts so I might be behind on this one. My understanding is that NG is not that easy to use on road vehicles. There was a recent thread on a boating forum I read where a fellow talked about trying to convert a boat to NG. There are issues with tank size and weight etc. Also NG tends to produce less power. I don't know enough about it to really go much further with this, but generally it is easier said than don. Randy Correct again. CNG is not a drop in fuel. It requires very high pressures to transport as a motor fuel. THat means large, dangerous tanks and limited range because the BTU/lb is very low. There is a reason why our utility bill that now bill in therms used to bill based on 1000 cubic feet. (1 therm = 100,000 BTU or about 2 hours of burner time for modern smaller furnaces) It is not easy to use in motor vehicles It is not easy to convert from gasoline There is a large power reduction to the engine. Tbone is a scammer, but not many people bought the scam. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Do a Google Search for bureau of sabotage Frank Herbert knew something Those are some of my favorite stories! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ..Seat problem.
Thanks for all the suggestions. And, Rich, it may be a few days before I get to look into the problem; but I would like to have a rain check on your picture-taking offer. I will let you know if need be. Thanks. -- From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 5:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ..Seat problem. No, there are multiple motors. I would suggest the switch to begin, you can see if there is power at the pins (and I am not sure which is which). It might also be a ground issue, or a wire gone bad at the door hinge area. I took some seats out of a 300SD, if you want tomorrow I could go out and look at the motor area, see what the wire situation is, take a pic if you want. they are not that bad to get out if you can get at the bolts holding the track to the floor (and they are not rusted). --R On 1/25/12 5:24 PM, John P. English wrote: The passenger seat on my 1985 300SD will move up, down, backward, but not forward. I am thinking that there is only one electric motor which powers the movements in all four directions. If this is so, then the possible causes of the problem would seem to be 1) a loose wire, 2)a bad switch, or 3) maybe a bad relay. What do you think the most probable cause is? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S65 is not for sale by me
That's pretty flash, although the average service costs would probably be the same as what my TE is worth. BTW I have no affiliation with that mob http://hendrickmb.com/ although I wouldn't mind the plate that's on the back of the beast. So if anyone in NC has a few minutes to spare and happens to find themselves at Hendrick motors with a screwdriver... Hendrik who is starting to understand why everyone loves to put a c in his name E M wrote: If you guys have 25 minutes or so to kill, here's a nice S Class on YouTube. Maybe not a 560SEL, but I think I could live with it! ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJHhyAwiz1Efeature=g-vreccontext=G2f0b2f8RVAg Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...
Wish I was clever enough to make one... http://www.amazon.com/LEHR-ST025DC-4-Stroke-Detachable-Curved-Shaft/dp/B001H1LS98 With a refill valve you could refill your propane bottles off a grill tank and run one cheap enough. For the amount most people use them I think this is a great idea. -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:42:04 -0600 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ... Message-ID: 4f20772c.3060...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 25/01/2012 12:54 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: The best thing ever to happen to combustion engine powered weed whacker is running on Propane. Most small engines that are infrequently used will have old gummed up fuel in them, running from a 1# propane bottle eliminates that problem. Still I think a new 300hp engine that loses 20% is still fairly powerful don't you? I'd take 260hp if it meant the fuel was cheaper. -Curt So is there a propane powered weed whacker or is this something you created? I have never heard of such an animal. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why you DON'T want to install a WVO kit...
I drove behind a pre-'88 Chevy pickup on the way home, still love that body style. -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:52:24 -0500 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why you DON'T want to install a WVO kit... Message-ID: calhj_1d9sv+tda3jydpe0jr7xq2e_8lak-1-leum8qsjphl...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have one dead engine. A 6.2 gm. It has over 350k miles and for the last 5000 miles or so the injector pump was so worn that it would not run on regular diesel. It would run on wvo quite well as the thicker fuel must have made up for wear in the pump. Started it on ether with cold wvo down to 40 degrees F and it still runs. A replacement engine is costing me $500 qith 53k miles on it. Beats the heck out of truck payments, obd2 computer issues and fuel stops that require a backpack to carry the cash. I have about 40k miles on wvo with that truck. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ..Seat problem.
I think there are 2 motors, one for backward/forward and one for tilt. Having had 2 of them I'd bet on a bad/dirty switch. If you take it apart be VERY careful. Disassemble in a plastic bag, there are many little springs and balls and whatnot in there. -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:24:32 -0600 From: John P. English johnpengl...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] ..Seat problem. Message-ID: snt118-ds18bd5a0e49c93ae165fbffce...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original The passenger seat on my 1985 300SD will move up, down, backward, but not forward. I am thinking that there is only one electric motor which powers the movements in all four directions. If this is so, then the possible causes of the problem would seem to be 1) a loose wire, 2)a bad switch, or 3) maybe a bad relay. What do you think the most probable cause is? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
