[MBZ] Anybody there?

[WILTON]

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[WILTON]

Nope; just 'lectrons.

Wilt

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[WILTON]

Watch out!  I may hafta throw in another Sondy Tale.  ;<)

Wilt

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[Jon Agne]

Adjusting valves.  For the first time in almost a week, the wind is not gusting 
25-30.

Jon

'85 300D 108k

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[WILTON]

Beautiful, calm, sunny day here (Goldsboro, NC); 63°, s'posed to get to 79°F 
today.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?


Adjusting valves.  For the first time in almost a week, the wind is not 
gusting 25-30.


Jon

'85 300D 108k

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Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.

[Randy Bennell]

I think, that what happens, is that the wire oxidizes. If you could 
clean the wire it would be fine but given the cost of a new roll, it is 
easier to buy a new one.


Randy

On 06/04/2013 9:37 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Apr 6, 2013 6:51 PM, "Greg Fiorentino"  wrote:

I'm by no means an expert on wire welding, but everyone seems to agree to
toss the HF wire and buy a decent brand.  The word is that it makes all

the

difference.


That has been my experience as a beginner with a HF wire feed unit as well.

Also, the wire goes stale after a while, and even good-quality wire that
has been sitting in the garden shed for a year or so is only going to
frustrate you.  (Hurts to throw it away, though--the good stuff ain't
cheap!)

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[Frederick Moir]

No body here but us chickens


 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: WILTON 
>To: mercedes list  
>Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 10:34 AM
>Subject: [MBZ] Anybody there?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[Chris James]

Yes, here too. Up to 73F today in the far west part of the state & looks 
like it will stay in the 70s for most of the week. Nice! :-)



On 4/8/2013 10:59 AM, WILTON wrote:

Beautiful, calm, sunny day here (Goldsboro, NC); 63°, s'posed to get to
79°F today.

Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] OT A tasty recipe

[Russ Williams]

Darn FF (Fat Fingers) should be Brine.
On 4/7/2013 23:19, Craig wrote:

On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 23:01:10 -0500 Russ Williams 
wrote:


Love Rack of Lamb.
I did a Garlic Stuffed Pork Roast for D-I-L's B-day today. Birned it
for 2 days. M'm M'm Good
Also made her favorite Cake, Red Velvet from scratch

Birned?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[Rich Thomas]

I like those tales.  My granddaddy would spin long-winded tales that I 
never wanted to listen to, but now what I would give...


My uncle, his oldest son, appears to have inherited the trait (and some 
accuse me) so he is interesting to be around (for awhile).  He got his 
ship sunk by the Japs in WWII and has some interesting tales about that, 
floating around in the middle of the Pacific for some hours waiting to 
be found, one of few survivors.


--R

On 4/8/13 10:36 AM, WILTON wrote:

Watch out!  I may hafta throw in another Sondy Tale. ;<)

Wilt

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[Jon Agne]

Valves done...all tight, but it's been 18,000 since I last did them.

HURT me on the temperature!  It might get to 60 here in Maine.

Jon


On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:59 AM, WILTON wrote:

> Beautiful, calm, sunny day here (Goldsboro, NC); 63°, s'posed to get to 79°F 
> today.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jon Agne" 
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> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?
> 
> 
>> Adjusting valves.  For the first time in almost a week, the wind is not 
>> gusting 25-30.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> '85 300D 108k
>> 
>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:34 AM, WILTON wrote:
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[Randy Bennell]

Minus 5 C here today.
Not much melting at that temperature.

Randy

On 08/04/2013 11:32 AM, Jon Agne wrote:

Valves done...all tight, but it's been 18,000 since I last did them.

HURT me on the temperature!  It might get to 60 here in Maine.

Jon


On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:59 AM, WILTON wrote:


Beautiful, calm, sunny day here (Goldsboro, NC); 63°, s'posed to get to 79°F 
today.

Wilton

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Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?



Adjusting valves.  For the first time in almost a week, the wind is not gusting 
25-30.

Jon

'85 300D 108k

On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:34 AM, WILTON wrote:


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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[WILTON]

Well, 60 should be enough to melt a lot of that snow and ice, anyway.  ;<)

Wilton

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Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?


Valves done...all tight, but it's been 18,000 since I last did them.

HURT me on the temperature!  It might get to 60 here in Maine.

Jon


On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:59 AM, WILTON wrote:

Beautiful, calm, sunny day here (Goldsboro, NC); 63°, s'posed to get to 
79°F today.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Jon Agne" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?


Adjusting valves.  For the first time in almost a week, the wind is not 
gusting 25-30.


Jon

'85 300D 108k

On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:34 AM, WILTON wrote:


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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[WILTON]

Yep, I heard a lot of good stories, too, that I should have recorded but 
never did.  Mom was born in 1897; Dad was born in 1879, paternal grndad was 
drafted into Confederate Army in 1862 (wife and 2 children), wounded in 
Battle of Petersburg, captured at Holder's Run (POW at Pt Lookout, MD).  He 
and his wife (my grndmom) each had brother killed at Gettysburg July 3, 
1863.  Grndad also had an uncle who died as POW at Pt. Lookout.


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?


I like those tales.  My granddaddy would spin long-winded tales that I 
never wanted to listen to, but now what I would give...


My uncle, his oldest son, appears to have inherited the trait (and some 
accuse me) so he is interesting to be around (for awhile).  He got his 
ship sunk by the Japs in WWII and has some interesting tales about that, 
floating around in the middle of the Pacific for some hours waiting to be 
found, one of few survivors.


--R

On 4/8/13 10:36 AM, WILTON wrote:

Watch out!  I may hafta throw in another Sondy Tale. ;<)

Wilt

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[WILTON]

You reminded me:  2 of my brothers had their ships sunk during WWII; one on 
supply/troop carrier off Casablanca; 'was later in D-Day invasion of France 
(Omaha Beach) and Okinawa; other brother, a medical corpsman on aircraft 
carrier Hornet, gave the Doolittle Raiders shots before their departure to 
bomb Japan - "Thirty Seconds over Tokyo."


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?


I like those tales.  My granddaddy would spin long-winded tales that I 
never wanted to listen to, but now what I would give...


My uncle, his oldest son, appears to have inherited the trait (and some 
accuse me) so he is interesting to be around (for awhile).  He got his 
ship sunk by the Japs in WWII and has some interesting tales about that, 
floating around in the middle of the Pacific for some hours waiting to be 
found, one of few survivors.


--R

On 4/8/13 10:36 AM, WILTON wrote:

Watch out!  I may hafta throw in another Sondy Tale. ;<)

Wilt

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[Max Dillon]

Shots of Jack Daniels or typhoid/yellow fever/etc?

;)

-- 
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Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

WILTON  wrote:

>You reminded me:  2 of my brothers had their ships sunk during WWII;
>one on 
>supply/troop carrier off Casablanca; 'was later in D-Day invasion of
>France 
>(Omaha Beach) and Okinawa; other brother, a medical corpsman on
>aircraft 
>carrier Hornet, gave the Doolittle Raiders shots before their departure
>to 
>bomb Japan - "Thirty Seconds over Tokyo."
>
>Wilton
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Rich Thomas" 
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 12:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?
>
>
>>I like those tales.  My granddaddy would spin long-winded tales that I
>
>>never wanted to listen to, but now what I would give...
>>
>> My uncle, his oldest son, appears to have inherited the trait (and
>some 
>> accuse me) so he is interesting to be around (for awhile).  He got
>his 
>> ship sunk by the Japs in WWII and has some interesting tales about
>that, 
>> floating around in the middle of the Pacific for some hours waiting
>to be 
>> found, one of few survivors.
>>
>> --R
>>
>> On 4/8/13 10:36 AM, WILTON wrote:
>>> Watch out!  I may hafta throw in another Sondy Tale. ;<)
>>>
>>> Wilt
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "WILTON" 
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>>> Subject: [MBZ] Anybody there?
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[WILTON]

medical corpsman - typhoid/yellow fever, etc.

Yeah, I know, Max, it was hard to resist.  'Had that thought, myself, but 
also thought "medical corpsman" would squelch the urge.  ;<)


Wilton

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Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?



Shots of Jack Daniels or typhoid/yellow fever/etc?

;)

--
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Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

WILTON  wrote:


You reminded me:  2 of my brothers had their ships sunk during WWII;
one on
supply/troop carrier off Casablanca; 'was later in D-Day invasion of
France
(Omaha Beach) and Okinawa; other brother, a medical corpsman on
aircraft
carrier Hornet, gave the Doolittle Raiders shots before their departure
to
bomb Japan - "Thirty Seconds over Tokyo."

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?



I like those tales.  My granddaddy would spin long-winded tales that I



never wanted to listen to, but now what I would give...

My uncle, his oldest son, appears to have inherited the trait (and

some

accuse me) so he is interesting to be around (for awhile).  He got

his

ship sunk by the Japs in WWII and has some interesting tales about

that,

floating around in the middle of the Pacific for some hours waiting

to be

found, one of few survivors.

--R

On 4/8/13 10:36 AM, WILTON wrote:

Watch out!  I may hafta throw in another Sondy Tale. ;<)

Wilt

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To: "mercedes list" 
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:34 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Anybody there?



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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[Randy Bennell]

On 08/04/2013 1:20 PM, WILTON wrote:

medical corpsman - typhoid/yellow fever, etc.

Yeah, I know, Max, it was hard to resist.  'Had that thought, myself, 
but also thought "medical corpsman" would squelch the urge.  ;<)


Wilton



"corpsman" does not really instill confidence does it?

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Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.

[Fmiser]

> > On 06/04/2013 9:37 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> >
> > Also, the wire goes stale after a while, and even
> > good-quality wire that has been sitting in the garden shed
> > for a year or so is only going to frustrate you.

> Randy Bennell wrote:
>
> I think, that what happens, is that the wire oxidizes.

If that's the case, then storing it in the freezer should slow
down the oxidation.

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[WILTON]

'Til ya need one.

Wilton

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On 08/04/2013 1:20 PM, WILTON wrote:

medical corpsman - typhoid/yellow fever, etc.

Yeah, I know, Max, it was hard to resist.  'Had that thought, myself, 
but also thought "medical corpsman" would squelch the urge.  ;<)


Wilton



"corpsman" does not really instill confidence does it?

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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Bob Rentfro]

Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key
is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in
the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start
position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is
tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas?

Bob R
On Apr 7, 2013 6:23 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:

> Should click (energize) at position 2, position 3 is the last spring
> loaded position which energizes the starter?  I'm assuming position zero is
> off, and 1 is the accessory position...
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>
> Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>
> >The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was
> >a
> >disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial
> >problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its
> >clicking when I turn the key to position three.
> >
> >Bob R
> >On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, "Fmiser"  wrote:
> >
> >> > Bob Rentfro wrote:
> >>
> >> > Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light.
> >> > Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one
> >> > kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area.
> >> > The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has
> >> > been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition
> >> > switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT.
> >> > What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D.
> >>
> >> If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch,
> >> I'd suspect trouble there.  With a test light (or a volt meter),
> >> I'd try to track the flow.
> >>
> >> Is +12 getting _to_ the switch?
> >>
> >> Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch
> >> positions?
> >>
> >> --Philip
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Max Dillon]

Wiring diagram, digital multi-meter, basic understanding of direct current 
electrical theory, and time with the patient...

-OR-

A friend with identical year/model car you can compare to your car, but that 
isn't a sure thing if the problem is deeper than crossed wires.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Bob Rentfro  wrote:

>Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when
>key
>is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have
>power in
>the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start
>position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is
>tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas?
>
>Bob R
>On Apr 7, 2013 6:23 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:
>
>> Should click (energize) at position 2, position 3 is the last spring
>> loaded position which energizes the starter?  I'm assuming position
>zero is
>> off, and 1 is the accessory position...
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>>
>> Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>>
>> >The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch
>was
>> >a
>> >disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the
>initial
>> >problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now.
>Its
>> >clicking when I turn the key to position three.
>> >
>> >Bob R
>> >On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, "Fmiser"  wrote:
>> >
>> >> > Bob Rentfro wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light.
>> >> > Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one
>> >> > kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area.
>> >> > The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has
>> >> > been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition
>> >> > switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT.
>> >> > What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D.
>> >>
>> >> If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch,
>> >> I'd suspect trouble there.  With a test light (or a volt meter),
>> >> I'd try to track the flow.
>> >>
>> >> Is +12 getting _to_ the switch?
>> >>
>> >> Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch
>> >> positions?
>> >>
>> >> --Philip
>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Dan Penoff]

If you have B+ at the solenoid wire then it should work when you reconnect the 
wire to the solenoid - unless the solenoid has a problem.

Dan

On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key
> is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in
> the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start
> position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is
> tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas?
> 
> Bob R
> On Apr 7, 2013 6:23 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:
> 
>> Should click (energize) at position 2, position 3 is the last spring
>> loaded position which energizes the starter?  I'm assuming position zero is
>> off, and 1 is the accessory position...
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>> 
>> Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>> 
>>> The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was
>>> a
>>> disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial
>>> problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its
>>> clicking when I turn the key to position three.
>>> 
>>> Bob R
>>> On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, "Fmiser"  wrote:
>>> 
> Bob Rentfro wrote:
 
> Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light.
> Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one
> kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area.
> The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has
> been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition
> switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT.
> What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D.
 
 If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch,
 I'd suspect trouble there.  With a test light (or a volt meter),
 I'd try to track the flow.
 
 Is +12 getting _to_ the switch?
 
 Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch
 positions?
 
 --Philip
 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[WILTON]

Have ya banged the starter with a stick from the top while holding the key 
in START position?  If not, please, do and see what happens (don't be 
shy/bashful with the stick).


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.


Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when 
key
is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power 
in

the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start
position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is
tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas?

Bob R
On Apr 7, 2013 6:23 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:


Should click (energize) at position 2, position 3 is the last spring
loaded position which energizes the starter?  I'm assuming position zero 
is

off, and 1 is the accessory position...
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Bob Rentfro  wrote:

>The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was
>a
>disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial
>problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its
>clicking when I turn the key to position three.
>
>Bob R
>On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, "Fmiser"  wrote:
>
>> > Bob Rentfro wrote:
>>
>> > Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light.
>> > Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one
>> > kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area.
>> > The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has
>> > been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition
>> > switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT.
>> > What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D.
>>
>> If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch,
>> I'd suspect trouble there.  With a test light (or a volt meter),
>> I'd try to track the flow.
>>
>> Is +12 getting _to_ the switch?
>>
>> Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch
>> positions?
>>
>> --Philip
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[MBZ] Rear brake calipers

[Curt Raymond]

Please excuse the on-topic talk for a minute :)

The rear driver's side caliper on my '84 190D has quit doing anything so today 
when I was at CarQuest I inquired the price on replacements. He says we need to 
know if the "Inspection hole is 1 5/8" or 1 1/2"" the picture provided in the 
computer is no help and we were both left scratching our heads.

New Q has some calipers that note "With 1 1/2" inspection hole" and some that 
are "not for ASR".

I'm guessing this difference refers to the mount and I'll have to measure 
something on the car, anybody got any ideas?

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Bob Rentfro]

The solenoid/ starter is new Bosch. Well, 3 months old. And yes Wilton, I
have mechanically agitated it. Getting a little frustrating.

Bob R
On Apr 8, 2013 12:46 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

> If you have B+ at the solenoid wire then it should work when you reconnect
> the wire to the solenoid - unless the solenoid has a problem.
>
> Dan
>
> On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>
> > Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when
> key
> > is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power
> in
> > the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start
> > position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is
> > tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas?
> >
> > Bob R
> > On Apr 7, 2013 6:23 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:
> >
> >> Should click (energize) at position 2, position 3 is the last spring
> >> loaded position which energizes the starter?  I'm assuming position
> zero is
> >> off, and 1 is the accessory position...
> >> --
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
> >>
> >> Bob Rentfro  wrote:
> >>
> >>> The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was
> >>> a
> >>> disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial
> >>> problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its
> >>> clicking when I turn the key to position three.
> >>>
> >>> Bob R
> >>> On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, "Fmiser"  wrote:
> >>>
> > Bob Rentfro wrote:
> 
> > Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light.
> > Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one
> > kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area.
> > The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has
> > been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition
> > switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT.
> > What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D.
> 
>  If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch,
>  I'd suspect trouble there.  With a test light (or a volt meter),
>  I'd try to track the flow.
> 
>  Is +12 getting _to_ the switch?
> 
>  Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch
>  positions?
> 
>  --Philip
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Curt Raymond]

Add one more point you've missed, starter spins when you jump the big lugs on 
the starter it spins.

Last test, short big lug to little lug (ie apply power direct to solenoid) if 
car doesn't start its a bad solenoid.

Personally I'd skip that last test, if you have power to the solenoid but not 
power THROUGH the solenoid its the solenoid...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 12:19:17 -0700
From: Bob Rentfro 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
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Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key
is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in
the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start
position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is
tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas?

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Craig]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 12:19:17 -0700 Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when
> key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have
> power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in
> start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything.
> Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas?

What happens when you short the top large terminal on the starter (with
the large wire that goes to the battery) to the small, middle terminal on
the starter?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.

[Randy Bennell]

On 08/04/2013 2:15 PM, Fmiser wrote:

On 06/04/2013 9:37 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

Also, the wire goes stale after a while, and even
good-quality wire that has been sitting in the garden shed
for a year or so is only going to frustrate you.

Randy Bennell wrote:

I think, that what happens, is that the wire oxidizes.

If that's the case, then storing it in the freezer should slow
down the oxidation.

-- Philip




But, it is a bit of a pain to take it off of the machine and put it back 
on etc.
Although, it might be a good idea if you buy an extra roll when it is on 
sale, to keep it well sealed and maybe in the freezer too.


OR, vacuum bag it!

My wife just bought a kitchen appliance that seals food in plastic bags 
after sucking the air out. It is a cool doodad.
She buys fresh meat in fairly large trays at Costco and then divides it 
up into smaller packages and freezes it.
We were getting some freezer burn on packages that got a bit lost in the 
freezer so she is trying this to see if it helps.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[Randy Bennell]

But, if you are a corpse you likely don't need them too bad.
Then it is time to call the padre.

Randy

On 08/04/2013 2:15 PM, WILTON wrote:

'Til ya need one.

Wilton

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On 08/04/2013 1:20 PM, WILTON wrote:

medical corpsman - typhoid/yellow fever, etc.

Yeah, I know, Max, it was hard to resist.  'Had that thought, 
myself, but also thought "medical corpsman" would squelch the urge.  
;<)


Wilton



"corpsman" does not really instill confidence does it?

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Randy Bennell]

That was my immediate thought as well.
If there is power to the solenoid, it should try to kick in unless the 
solenoid is bad.


Unfortunately, with diesels of this vintage (at least on mine) you can't 
just turn the key on and off a few times to see if it catches.
When the solenoid contacts were going bad on our 4Runner, I could get it 
to go like that. Flip the key back and forth and it would catch - the 
down side was that the cold start injector would fire too so there was a 
bit of smoke on start up.
I know with my car, if I turn the key off, I have to start over again so 
I cannot just flip the key back on quickly.


Randy

On 08/04/2013 2:45 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

If you have B+ at the solenoid wire then it should work when you reconnect the 
wire to the solenoid - unless the solenoid has a problem.

Dan

On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:


Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key
is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in
the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start
position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is
tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas?

Bob R




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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Bob Rentfro]

Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the solenoid
and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens.
Bad solenoid?
On Apr 8, 2013 12:56 PM, "Craig"  wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 12:19:17 -0700 Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>
> > Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when
> > key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have
> > power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in
> > start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything.
> > Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas?
>
> What happens when you short the top large terminal on the starter (with
> the large wire that goes to the battery) to the small, middle terminal on
> the starter?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Dieselhead]

I used a piece of 1/2 or 3/4" pipe.  If that does not get the starter 
working, then you need a different starter.



Have ya banged the starter with a stick from the top while holding 
the key in START position?  If not, please, do and see what happens 
(don't be shy/bashful with the stick).


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.


Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key
is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in
the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start
position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is
tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas?

Bob R


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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Fmiser]

> Bob Rentfro wrote:

> nothing when key is turned to start position. Get all
> the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from
> ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All
> voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is
> tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas?

Do you mean "nothing" or "starter motor doesn't turn nor does
the solenoid doesn't click" 'cause correct dash lights doesn't
sound like "nothing".

At which end of the switch-to-solenoid wire did you measure
voltage?  If there is 12 V at the small terminal on the solenoid
on the starter, and it doesn't "clunk", then it would seem a
dead solenoid is the problem.  One way to test is to jumper from
the big battery (top) terminal on the solenoid to the small one
on the side.  The solenoid should "clunk" and the starter motor
should spin.  If there is no "clunk", and jumping the two big
ones makes the starter spin, then the solenoid is dead.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Randy Bennell]

On 08/04/2013 3:02 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the solenoid
and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens.
Bad solenoid?
On Apr 8, 2013 12:56 PM, "Craig"  wrote:



Let me suggest that you get one of the remote starter tester doodads.
Basically a switch with a cable and two clips.
Hook it on the terminals and press the button or squeeze the trigger.
You can do it from beside the car instead of laying under there with a 
screwdriver wondering if it will fire and take off, running over you in 
the process.


And yes, it sounds like the solenoid has failed.

Unless  . . . .

Who installed the solenoid - did it come on the starter??

I know we ran into an issue with the 4Runner I mentioned in another 
post. I had installed the new contacts so it was my fault.
There was a ball on the end of a spring that fit in a certain spot. On 
assembly the ball got out of the spot it was supposed to be in.

The starter worked for a few days and then one day would not.
When I took it apart, I found that the ball had gotten jammed into a 
spot that prevented the solenoid from pulling in the contacts.
Put a dab of grease on the ball to hold it in place where it belonged 
long enough to reassemble the starter and it has worked fine for years. 
No damage was done.


So, if this starter has anything like that inside, it might just be fixable.
If not, then one would think, either the contacts are not working - got 
burned somehow?? - or the coil is an open circuit - the solenoid is 
essentially an electromagnet that activates when current flows and pulls 
the contacts into place.
So, one would think one could check to see if the coil is open or 
grounded out with a multi-meter before removing the thing from the vehicle.


Forgive me if this is off the mark. I have no experience with MB 
starters and solenoids - jsut that most all that I have worked on with 
other vehicles work as above and I am trusting that the MB one does too.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

[Max Dillon]

Sounds like you may have a plugged rubber hose, not a caliper problem.
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Curt Raymond  wrote:

>Please excuse the on-topic talk for a minute :)
>
>The rear driver's side caliper on my '84 190D has quit doing anything
>so today when I was at CarQuest I inquired the price on replacements.
>He says we need to know if the "Inspection hole is 1 5/8" or 1 1/2""
>the picture provided in the computer is no help and we were both left
>scratching our heads.
>
>New Q has some calipers that note "With 1 1/2" inspection hole" and
>some that are "not for ASR".
>
>I'm guessing this difference refers to the mount and I'll have to
>measure something on the car, anybody got any ideas?
>
>-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Bob Rentfro]

The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months
ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head?
On Apr 8, 2013 1:14 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:

> On 08/04/2013 3:02 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
>
>> Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the
>> solenoid
>> and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens.
>> Bad solenoid?
>> On Apr 8, 2013 12:56 PM, "Craig"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Let me suggest that you get one of the remote starter tester doodads.
> Basically a switch with a cable and two clips.
> Hook it on the terminals and press the button or squeeze the trigger.
> You can do it from beside the car instead of laying under there with a
> screwdriver wondering if it will fire and take off, running over you in the
> process.
>
> And yes, it sounds like the solenoid has failed.
>
> Unless  . . . .
>
> Who installed the solenoid - did it come on the starter??
>
> I know we ran into an issue with the 4Runner I mentioned in another post.
> I had installed the new contacts so it was my fault.
> There was a ball on the end of a spring that fit in a certain spot. On
> assembly the ball got out of the spot it was supposed to be in.
> The starter worked for a few days and then one day would not.
> When I took it apart, I found that the ball had gotten jammed into a spot
> that prevented the solenoid from pulling in the contacts.
> Put a dab of grease on the ball to hold it in place where it belonged long
> enough to reassemble the starter and it has worked fine for years. No
> damage was done.
>
> So, if this starter has anything like that inside, it might just be
> fixable.
> If not, then one would think, either the contacts are not working - got
> burned somehow?? - or the coil is an open circuit - the solenoid is
> essentially an electromagnet that activates when current flows and pulls
> the contacts into place.
> So, one would think one could check to see if the coil is open or grounded
> out with a multi-meter before removing the thing from the vehicle.
>
> Forgive me if this is off the mark. I have no experience with MB starters
> and solenoids - jsut that most all that I have worked on with other
> vehicles work as above and I am trusting that the MB one does too.
>
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Bob Rentfro]

Sothis is the first time I've tried to remove a solenoid. It appears
that the electrical part comes off and the mechanical part stays on the
starter is that correct?

Bob R
On Apr 8, 2013 1:26 PM, "Bob Rentfro"  wrote:

> The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months
> ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head?
> On Apr 8, 2013 1:14 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:
>
>> On 08/04/2013 3:02 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
>>
>>> Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the
>>> solenoid
>>> and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens.
>>> Bad solenoid?
>>> On Apr 8, 2013 12:56 PM, "Craig"  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Let me suggest that you get one of the remote starter tester doodads.
>> Basically a switch with a cable and two clips.
>> Hook it on the terminals and press the button or squeeze the trigger.
>> You can do it from beside the car instead of laying under there with a
>> screwdriver wondering if it will fire and take off, running over you in the
>> process.
>>
>> And yes, it sounds like the solenoid has failed.
>>
>> Unless  . . . .
>>
>> Who installed the solenoid - did it come on the starter??
>>
>> I know we ran into an issue with the 4Runner I mentioned in another post.
>> I had installed the new contacts so it was my fault.
>> There was a ball on the end of a spring that fit in a certain spot. On
>> assembly the ball got out of the spot it was supposed to be in.
>> The starter worked for a few days and then one day would not.
>> When I took it apart, I found that the ball had gotten jammed into a spot
>> that prevented the solenoid from pulling in the contacts.
>> Put a dab of grease on the ball to hold it in place where it belonged
>> long enough to reassemble the starter and it has worked fine for years. No
>> damage was done.
>>
>> So, if this starter has anything like that inside, it might just be
>> fixable.
>> If not, then one would think, either the contacts are not working - got
>> burned somehow?? - or the coil is an open circuit - the solenoid is
>> essentially an electromagnet that activates when current flows and pulls
>> the contacts into place.
>> So, one would think one could check to see if the coil is open or
>> grounded out with a multi-meter before removing the thing from the vehicle.
>>
>> Forgive me if this is off the mark. I have no experience with MB starters
>> and solenoids - jsut that most all that I have worked on with other
>> vehicles work as above and I am trusting that the MB one does too.
>>
>> Randy
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Craig]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:02:54 -0700 Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> > What happens when you short the top large terminal on the starter
> > (with the large wire that goes to the battery) to the small, middle
> > terminal on the starter?
>
> Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the
> solenoid and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing
> happens. Bad solenoid?

Yes.

The solenoid should simultaneously push the starter's gear into the ring
gear and short the two big terminals together, causing the starter to
turn the engine.

You already proved that shorting the two big terminals together causes
the starter to spin (though, because the starter's gear isn't pushed into
the ring gear, it won't turn the engine).

So, the starter is good but its solenoid is not.

All the other troubleshooting you have done is a waste of time.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Bob Rentfro]

I get it now. Thanks for all the advice, men. Gotta get the pug on the
road. Gotta  find a solenoid
On Apr 8, 2013 1:39 PM, "Craig"  wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:02:54 -0700 Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>
> > > What happens when you short the top large terminal on the starter
> > > (with the large wire that goes to the battery) to the small, middle
> > > terminal on the starter?
> >
> > Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the
> > solenoid and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing
> > happens. Bad solenoid?
>
> Yes.
>
> The solenoid should simultaneously push the starter's gear into the ring
> gear and short the two big terminals together, causing the starter to
> turn the engine.
>
> You already proved that shorting the two big terminals together causes
> the starter to spin (though, because the starter's gear isn't pushed into
> the ring gear, it won't turn the engine).
>
> So, the starter is good but its solenoid is not.
>
> All the other troubleshooting you have done is a waste of time.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Craig]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:38:49 -0700 Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> Sothis is the first time I've tried to remove a solenoid. It appears
> that the electrical part comes off and the mechanical part stays on the
> starter is that correct?

You will first need to remove the starter from the car.

Then loosen the nut on the solenoid's big bolt closest to the starter and
remove the wire that goes into the starter from the bolt.

Then loosen the bolts that hold the solenoid to the casting that bolts
the starter to the engine.

Now, carefully pull the solenoid away from the casting. You will most
likely find that the lever that pushes the starter's gear out into the
ring gear is engaged with an extension of the solenoid's core. (Sorry, I
haven't taken a starter apart for awhile.) You will need to undo that
engagement to be able to remove the solenoid from the starter.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Craig]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three
> months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head?

You bought it new three months ago?

What kind of warranty does it have?

Can you not make good on the warranty?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Bob Rentfro]

I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this
starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service
right now.
And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by
them self anymore.

Bob R
On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, "Craig"  wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>
> > The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three
> > months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head?
>
> You bought it new three months ago?
>
> What kind of warranty does it have?
>
> Can you not make good on the warranty?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[WILTON]

I guess you turned in the old starter when you got the "new" one?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.



I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this
starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service
right now.
And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by
them self anymore.

Bob R
On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, "Craig"  wrote:


On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three
> months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head?

You bought it new three months ago?

What kind of warranty does it have?

Can you not make good on the warranty?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

[Curt Raymond]

Possibly at one point you were correct, at this point I would think I have a 
caliper problem. I don't know how long its been stuck but I'd hazard a guess 
that its been many months...

Regardless I intend to do the full Monty for the rear brakes, calipers, pads, 
rotors. I'd like to do ceramic pads if they're available. Q got me some for the 
front that are nice, no squeaks, squeals or dust.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:24:50 -0400
From: Max Dillon 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers
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Sounds like you may have a plugged rubber hose, not a caliper problem.
-- 
Max Dillon
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'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Curt Raymond  wrote:

>Please excuse the on-topic talk for a minute :)
>
>The rear driver's side caliper on my '84 190D has quit doing anything
>so today when I was at CarQuest I inquired the price on replacements.
>He says we need to know if the "Inspection hole is 1 5/8" or 1 1/2""
>the picture provided in the computer is no help and we were both left
>scratching our heads.
>
>New Q has some calipers that note "With 1 1/2" inspection hole" and
>some that are "not for ASR".
>
>I'm guessing this difference refers to the mount and I'll have to
>measure something on the car, anybody got any ideas?
>
>-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Bob Rentfro]

Yes. I know I thought the same thing

Bob R
On Apr 8, 2013 2:22 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

> I guess you turned in the old starter when you got the "new" one?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Bob Rentfro" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 5:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
>
>
>  I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this
>> starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service
>> right now.
>> And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by
>> them self anymore.
>>
>> Bob R
>> On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, "Craig"  wrote:
>>
>>  On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three
>>> > months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head?
>>>
>>> You bought it new three months ago?
>>>
>>> What kind of warranty does it have?
>>>
>>> Can you not make good on the warranty?
>>>
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.

[Dan Penoff]

Those work well for high speed marinating, too. Putting something under a 
vacuum really forces the liquid into the meat, so you don't have to marinade as 
long.

Dan

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> But, it is a bit of a pain to take it off of the machine and put it back on 
> etc.
> Although, it might be a good idea if you buy an extra roll when it is on 
> sale, to keep it well sealed and maybe in the freezer too.
> 
> OR, vacuum bag it!
> 
> My wife just bought a kitchen appliance that seals food in plastic bags after 
> sucking the air out. It is a cool doodad.
> She buys fresh meat in fairly large trays at Costco and then divides it up 
> into smaller packages and freezes it.
> We were getting some freezer burn on packages that got a bit lost in the 
> freezer so she is trying this to see if it helps.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

[Dan Penoff]

Check the stealership. They are surprisingly competitive on things like rotors 
and pads.

Rotors and pads for the front of my S500 are only a few dollars more than the 
OE ones. Not only that, MB throws in the brake paste, too!

Dan

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On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Possibly at one point you were correct, at this point I would think I have a 
> caliper problem. I don't know how long its been stuck but I'd hazard a guess 
> that its been many months...
> 
> Regardless I intend to do the full Monty for the rear brakes, calipers, pads, 
> rotors. I'd like to do ceramic pads if they're available. Q got me some for 
> the front that are nice, no squeaks, squeals or dust.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:24:50 -0400
> From: Max Dillon 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Sounds like you may have a plugged rubber hose, not a caliper problem.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
> 
> Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
>> Please excuse the on-topic talk for a minute :)
>> 
>> The rear driver's side caliper on my '84 190D has quit doing anything
>> so today when I was at CarQuest I inquired the price on replacements.
>> He says we need to know if the "Inspection hole is 1 5/8" or 1 1/2""
>> the picture provided in the computer is no help and we were both left
>> scratching our heads.
>> 
>> New Q has some calipers that note "With 1 1/2" inspection hole" and
>> some that are "not for ASR".
>> 
>> I'm guessing this difference refers to the mount and I'll have to
>> measure something on the car, anybody got any ideas?
>> 
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Dan Penoff]

If you can find a solenoid it will cost almost as much as a complete starter. 
That's just the way the market is.

This solenoid works by pulling in the armature to engage the bendix drive on 
the starter. When the armature pulls in, a large copper disc on the armature 
shorts the two large terminals on the solenoid together, completing the circuit 
between the battery and starter motor.

The disc could be damaged, the coil could be open, there are a myriad of 
potential issues.

Long story short, as you have already surmised, it's time for a new starter.

Dan

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On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this
> starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service
> right now.
> And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by
> them self anymore.
> 
> Bob R
> On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, "Craig"  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>> 
>>> The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three
>>> months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head?
>> 
>> You bought it new three months ago?
>> 
>> What kind of warranty does it have?
>> 
>> Can you not make good on the warranty?
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

[Max Dillon]

Have you already replaced the hose?  If you open the bleed valve, will brake 
fluid flow out under pedal pressure?

I REALLY like the ceramic brake pads.  Will never go back.  Fantastic stopping 
power, very very little dust.  They seem a little extra strong when cold, a 
good thing.  Not quite "grabby", but getting there.
-- 
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Charleston SC
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Curt Raymond  wrote:

>Possibly at one point you were correct, at this point I would think I
>have a caliper problem. I don't know how long its been stuck but I'd
>hazard a guess that its been many months...
>
>Regardless I intend to do the full Monty for the rear brakes, calipers,
>pads, rotors. I'd like to do ceramic pads if they're available. Q got
>me some for the front that are nice, no squeaks, squeals or dust.
>
>-Curt
>
>Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:24:50 -0400
>From: Max Dillon 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers
>Message-ID: 
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>Sounds like you may have a plugged rubber hose, not a caliper problem.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Bob Rentfro]

I have removed the starter, but the solenoid back on, packed up and I'm
heading over to UPS. Gary provided stellar customer serviceso far.

Bob R
On Apr 8, 2013 3:27 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

> If you can find a solenoid it will cost almost as much as a complete
> starter. That's just the way the market is.
>
> This solenoid works by pulling in the armature to engage the bendix drive
> on the starter. When the armature pulls in, a large copper disc on the
> armature shorts the two large terminals on the solenoid together,
> completing the circuit between the battery and starter motor.
>
> The disc could be damaged, the coil could be open, there are a myriad of
> potential issues.
>
> Long story short, as you have already surmised, it's time for a new
> starter.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>
> > I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this
> > starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service
> > right now.
> > And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by
> > them self anymore.
> >
> > Bob R
> > On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, "Craig"  wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three
> >>> months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head?
> >>
> >> You bought it new three months ago?
> >>
> >> What kind of warranty does it have?
> >>
> >> Can you not make good on the warranty?
> >>
> >>
> >> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Dan Penoff]

Funny story about starter abuse:

Co-worker had a PT Cruiser that had intermittent starting problems, as in it 
would not crank at random times. Knowing I had a "little" automotive experience 
(his words) he asked me if I had any idea as to the problem.

"Check all of your battery terminals, chassis grounds and the battery."

Next day it acts up again. He takes it to a Firestone shop across the street 
from work. Comes back at the end of the day with a new battery and cables.

A week later it pukes again in our parking structure. It goes back to 
Firestone. "Just had a loose cable. No charge!"

Yup, you guessed it. Did it again a few weeks later. Just so happens I was 
leaving late and he was there in the parking structure trying to get it to work.

"So what do you think it is, Dan?", Manny asks me. "Did you check everything I 
told you?" "Sure did. All the cables are tight, battery is new, etc."

"Got anything in the trunk like a tire iron or a golf club?"



"I have a baseball bat."

"Perfect! Bring it here."

So I manage to locate the starter, which on this PT Cruiser was in the front of 
the engine and fairly accessible. I took the bat and rapped on the starter with 
the end of the bat several times.

The car started.

He had the car for another 6-8 months before he sold it. Never failed to start 
again.

Dan

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On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I used a piece of 1/2 or 3/4" pipe.  If that does not get the starter 
> working, then you need a different starter.
> 
> 
>> Have ya banged the starter with a stick from the top while holding the key 
>> in START position?  If not, please, do and see what happens (don't be 
>> shy/bashful with the stick).
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

[clay]

http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html

Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort.  Probably does 
pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life

clay

On Apr 7, 2013, at 5:55 PM, WILTON wrote:

> Too many don't seem to give a damned; seem to think somebody else is gonna 
> take care of it for 'em.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> 
>> Question is, you love your country right? So why trash it?
>> Perhaps send em to live at the rubbish dump for a while.
>> Me thinks it's the 'someone else will clean up after me' attitude.
>> And don't worry we have grot bags here too, took some visiting yanks for a 
>> drive through the hills and we stopped at a look out and there was junk just 
>> dumped down the hill, was a tad embarrassing.
>> 
>> Hendrik
>> who empties the ash tray in the 'trash can'
>> 
>> On 08/04/13 05:23, WILTON wrote:
>>> 'Damned appalling - trash and crap all up and down the streets and roads 
>>> everywhere.  I'd be highly embarrassed for any of my foreign friends to see 
>>> it.  I'm embarrassed, now, to think that Henny and his family might have 
>>> seen such.
>>> 
>>> Wilton
>>> 
>>> 
 The same reason the low-lives that live around me (high dollar exurbs 
 these days) toss their bottles, cans, drink cups, and McDonald's trash out 
 at the stop sign in my front yard.
 
 Americans, sadly, tend to be VERY trashy.
 
 Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

[OK Don]

Call the new Q with your VIN, and I suspect that he will be able to fix you
right up!


On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Please excuse the on-topic talk for a minute :)
>
> The rear driver's side caliper on my '84 190D has quit doing anything so
> today when I was at CarQuest I inquired the price on replacements. He says
> we need to know if the "Inspection hole is 1 5/8" or 1 1/2"" the picture
> provided in the computer is no help and we were both left scratching our
> heads.
>
> New Q has some calipers that note "With 1 1/2" inspection hole" and some
> that are "not for ASR".
>
> I'm guessing this difference refers to the mount and I'll have to measure
> something on the car, anybody got any ideas?
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Mountain Man]

Bob R wrote:
> I have removed the starter, but the solenoid back on, packed up and I'm
> heading over to UPS. Gary provided stellar customer serviceso far.

Yes.
Our problem was in December.  We used hammer on starter for about 10 days
and then the problem disappeared.  Gary found us a German solenoid - he
knew we do not allow china in our house - china junque does not cut it in
our house, no matter what.  Death By China documentary - has anyone seen
that flick yet?  The issue is not merely low cost, low quality - it is
environmental degradation, child labor, low wages, more...  I want to see
this when DVD comes available and library purchases.  youtube trailers are
interesting.
mao
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Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

[Curt Raymond]

Closest dealer is ~50 miles away and just about as inconvenient as possible.

My local CarQuest has high quality stuff (just today I put Moog sway bar links 
and bushings on the Ranger) at good prices plus warranty is a snap since 
they're right around the corner.

Their price on calipers got my attention, remans for $70 each, at that price I 
won't bother to look anywhere else.
I know some guys hate remans (Hursty had some quite unkind words) but the set I 
put on my '83 240D worked out just fine.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 18:21:13 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Check the stealership. They are surprisingly competitive on things like rotors 
and pads.

Rotors and pads for the front of my S500 are only a few dollars more than the 
OE ones. Not only that, MB throws in the brake paste, too!

Dan

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On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Possibly at one point you were correct, at this point I would think I have a 
> caliper problem. I don't know how long its been stuck but I'd hazard a guess 
> that its been many months...
> 
> Regardless I intend to do the full Monty for the rear brakes, calipers, pads, 
> rotors. I'd like to do ceramic pads if they're available. Q got me some for 
> the front that are nice, no squeaks, squeals or dust.
> 
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Sorry, I'm late to all this, but I see your post where you mention the
problem is the relay... I didn't catch up on all the rest of them yet.  But,

Being a 1980, this probably has the earlier style relay.  You can open
these up and clean the contacts.  If you hear it clicking, then the
solenoid inside is probably good. On my 79 300SD (same relay design), one
of the two contacts was bent up a bit from heat and not making any contact.
 The second contact was dirty and not conducting well.  Bending things back
into shape and some cleaning with emory cloth got it working well again.

Maybe this is a useful tidbit.

Also, I know this is obvious and probably mentioned before, but check the
fuse carefully.  It may look good, but a slight crack means its bad.
 Remove it to inspect it.

And finally, just speaking from experience here, don't assume that just
because you fixed something, that its still fixed.  That is, check you
batter cables again very carefully, and all your other grounds for that
matter.

Good luck!
Jaime



On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to
> start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from
> the fuse bus area.
> The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced.
> New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good.
> Battery readings are SAT.
> What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D.
>
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[WILTON]

Years ago (probably 20 or so) SWMBO was Executive Director of Community Arts 
Council; she called early one afternoon from local bank president's home; 
our '80 240D wouldn't start.  Mr. and Mrs. Bnk Pres. wanted to call AAA for 
her; she said, "Let me call Wilton first."  'Just happened to catch me at 
home; I rushed over, pulled up behind the 240D, got out with broom stick in 
my hand; asked SWMBO to "get in, pull hood latch and when I say, 'Start it,' 
start it."  I opened hood, stuck broom stick down into right rear of engine 
compartment, and, as I went "Bam, bam, bam!" with stick on starter, I said, 
"Start it!"  240D said, "Kernk!, RRDDDRR, RRDDRR, RRDDRR," etc. (Some call 
it 'klata, klata,' sounds more like RRDDRR, RRDDRR, RRDDRR, to me).   Mr. 
and Mrs. Banker were amazed by my magic stick.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.



Funny story about starter abuse:

Co-worker had a PT Cruiser that had intermittent starting problems, as in 
it would not crank at random times. Knowing I had a "little" automotive 
experience (his words) he asked me if I had any idea as to the problem.


"Check all of your battery terminals, chassis grounds and the battery."

Next day it acts up again. He takes it to a Firestone shop across the 
street from work. Comes back at the end of the day with a new battery and 
cables.


A week later it pukes again in our parking structure. It goes back to 
Firestone. "Just had a loose cable. No charge!"


Yup, you guessed it. Did it again a few weeks later. Just so happens I was 
leaving late and he was there in the parking structure trying to get it to 
work.


"So what do you think it is, Dan?", Manny asks me. "Did you check 
everything I told you?" "Sure did. All the cables are tight, battery is 
new, etc."


"Got anything in the trunk like a tire iron or a golf club?"



"I have a baseball bat."

"Perfect! Bring it here."

So I manage to locate the starter, which on this PT Cruiser was in the 
front of the engine and fairly accessible. I took the bat and rapped on 
the starter with the end of the bat several times.


The car started.

He had the car for another 6-8 months before he sold it. Never failed to 
start again.


Dan

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On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

I used a piece of 1/2 or 3/4" pipe.  If that does not get the starter 
working, then you need a different starter.



Have ya banged the starter with a stick from the top while holding the 
key in START position?  If not, please, do and see what happens (don't 
be shy/bashful with the stick).


Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Sometimes remans are the only way to go.  I just did all four calipers on
my '95 E320 wagon.  The front listed for $1000 each for new!  Rebuilt from
Gary were less than 10% of that.  So, the choice was clear.  Just keep an
eye on on them first week or two to make sure they're not leaking.

Funny thing about those wagon calipers... it seems they're 94 or 95 only,
and wagon only.  I was luck to get rebuilds considering how rare they are!

Jaime



On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Closest dealer is ~50 miles away and just about as inconvenient as
> possible.
>
> My local CarQuest has high quality stuff (just today I put Moog sway bar
> links and bushings on the Ranger) at good prices plus warranty is a snap
> since they're right around the corner.
>
> Their price on calipers got my attention, remans for $70 each, at that
> price I won't bother to look anywhere else.
> I know some guys hate remans (Hursty had some quite unkind words) but the
> set I put on my '83 240D worked out just fine.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 18:21:13 -0400
> From: Dan Penoff 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Check the stealership. They are surprisingly competitive on things like
> rotors and pads.
>
> Rotors and pads for the front of my S500 are only a few dollars more than
> the OE ones. Not only that, MB throws in the brake paste, too!
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> > Possibly at one point you were correct, at this point I would think I
> have a caliper problem. I don't know how long its been stuck but I'd hazard
> a guess that its been many months...
> >
> > Regardless I intend to do the full Monty for the rear brakes, calipers,
> pads, rotors. I'd like to do ceramic pads if they're available. Q got me
> some for the front that are nice, no squeaks, squeals or dust.
> >
> > -Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

[WILTON]

A pity.

Wilton

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http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html

Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort.  Probably 
does pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life


clay

On Apr 7, 2013, at 5:55 PM, WILTON wrote:

Too many don't seem to give a damned; seem to think somebody else is 
gonna take care of it for 'em.


Wilton



Question is, you love your country right? So why trash it?
Perhaps send em to live at the rubbish dump for a while.
Me thinks it's the 'someone else will clean up after me' attitude.
And don't worry we have grot bags here too, took some visiting yanks for 
a drive through the hills and we stopped at a look out and there was 
junk just dumped down the hill, was a tad embarrassing.


Hendrik
who empties the ash tray in the 'trash can'

On 08/04/13 05:23, WILTON wrote:
'Damned appalling - trash and crap all up and down the streets and 
roads everywhere.  I'd be highly embarrassed for any of my foreign 
friends to see it.  I'm embarrassed, now, to think that Henny and his 
family might have seen such.


Wilton


The same reason the low-lives that live around me (high dollar exurbs 
these days) toss their bottles, cans, drink cups, and McDonald's trash 
out at the stop sign in my front yard.


Americans, sadly, tend to be VERY trashy.

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

[OK Don]

Or get the appropriate kit from new Q and "reman" them yourself - not that
difficult on a 201 - BTDT.


On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Closest dealer is ~50 miles away and just about as inconvenient as
> possible.
>
> My local CarQuest has high quality stuff (just today I put Moog sway bar
> links and bushings on the Ranger) at good prices plus warranty is a snap
> since they're right around the corner.
>
> Their price on calipers got my attention, remans for $70 each, at that
> price I won't bother to look anywhere else.
> I know some guys hate remans (Hursty had some quite unkind words) but the
> set I put on my '83 240D worked out just fine.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 18:21:13 -0400
> From: Dan Penoff 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Check the stealership. They are surprisingly competitive on things like
> rotors and pads.
>
> Rotors and pads for the front of my S500 are only a few dollars more than
> the OE ones. Not only that, MB throws in the brake paste, too!
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> > Possibly at one point you were correct, at this point I would think I
> have a caliper problem. I don't know how long its been stuck but I'd hazard
> a guess that its been many months...
> >
> > Regardless I intend to do the full Monty for the rear brakes, calipers,
> pads, rotors. I'd like to do ceramic pads if they're available. Q got me
> some for the front that are nice, no squeaks, squeals or dust.
> >
> > -Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

[Curt Raymond]

What? You mean a BA in English isn't a ticket to the good life?


-Curt

Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:45:47 -0700
From: clay 
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http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html

Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort.  Probably does 
pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life

clay

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

[Dan Penoff]

Right up there with Art History.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:15 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> What? You mean a BA in English isn't a ticket to the good life?
> 
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:45:47 -0700
> From: clay 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html
> 
> Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort.  Probably does 
> pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life
> 
> clay
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

[clay]

Not really.

My mother had one and all it served was for her to teach middle schoolers

My sister  has one and she had to get a professional degree to become more than 
just a barista at an art house theater.  Then she ended up a teacher.

The rest of the liberal arts folks I knew ended up married to teachers. or 
working starbucks

clay

On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> What? You mean a BA in English isn't a ticket to the good life?
> 
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:45:47 -0700
> From: clay 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html
> 
> Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort.  Probably does 
> pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life
> 
> clay
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

[dseretakis]

I've used reman calipers on my 240D and 280SL. No issues to date.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> Sometimes remans are the only way to go.  I just did all four calipers on
> my '95 E320 wagon.  The front listed for $1000 each for new!  Rebuilt from
> Gary were less than 10% of that.  So, the choice was clear.  Just keep an
> eye on on them first week or two to make sure they're not leaking.
> 
> Funny thing about those wagon calipers... it seems they're 94 or 95 only,
> and wagon only.  I was luck to get rebuilds considering how rare they are!
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
>> Closest dealer is ~50 miles away and just about as inconvenient as
>> possible.
>> 
>> My local CarQuest has high quality stuff (just today I put Moog sway bar
>> links and bushings on the Ranger) at good prices plus warranty is a snap
>> since they're right around the corner.
>> 
>> Their price on calipers got my attention, remans for $70 each, at that
>> price I won't bother to look anywhere else.
>> I know some guys hate remans (Hursty had some quite unkind words) but the
>> set I put on my '83 240D worked out just fine.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 18:21:13 -0400
>> From: Dan Penoff 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers
>> Message-ID: 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> Check the stealership. They are surprisingly competitive on things like
>> rotors and pads.
>> 
>> Rotors and pads for the front of my S500 are only a few dollars more than
>> the OE ones. Not only that, MB throws in the brake paste, too!
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>>> Possibly at one point you were correct, at this point I would think I
>> have a caliper problem. I don't know how long its been stuck but I'd hazard
>> a guess that its been many months...
>>> 
>>> Regardless I intend to do the full Monty for the rear brakes, calipers,
>> pads, rotors. I'd like to do ceramic pads if they're available. Q got me
>> some for the front that are nice, no squeaks, squeals or dust.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

[Dieselhead]

An auto electric shop that repairs/rebuilds starters can get them. 
If you find a source, you want a Bosch.





I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this
starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service
right now.
And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by
them self anymore.

Bob R
On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, "Craig"  wrote:


 On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro  wrote:

 > The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three
 > months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head?

 You bought it new three months ago?

 What kind of warranty does it have?

 Can you not make good on the warranty?


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

[Dieselhead]

Reminds me of the old sign:  Your lack of planning does not 
constitute and emergency to me.


That said,  this is not the country it was 40 years ago.



A pity.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "clay" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day


http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html

Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort. 
Probably does pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her 
life


clay

On Apr 7, 2013, at 5:55 PM, WILTON wrote:

Too many don't seem to give a damned; seem to think somebody else 
is gonna take care of it for 'em.


Wilton


Question is, you love your country right? So why trash it?
Perhaps send em to live at the rubbish dump for a while.
Me thinks it's the 'someone else will clean up after me' attitude.
And don't worry we have grot bags here too, took some visiting 
yanks for a drive through the hills and we stopped at a look out 
and there was junk just dumped down the hill, was a tad 
embarrassing.


Hendrik
who empties the ash tray in the 'trash can'

On 08/04/13 05:23, WILTON wrote:
'Damned appalling - trash and crap all up and down the streets 
and roads everywhere.  I'd be highly embarrassed for any of my 
foreign friends to see it.  I'm embarrassed, now, to think that 
Henny and his family might have seen such.


Wilton

The same reason the low-lives that live around me (high dollar 
exurbs these days) toss their bottles, cans, drink cups, and 
McDonald's trash out at the stop sign in my front yard.


Americans, sadly, tend to be VERY trashy.

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

[Rich Thomas]

Guess who she voted for, and still has Hope that things will Change.  I 
guess she is not down with the fundamental transformation.


I guess I shouldn't be political and all that, but this kind of stuff 
just drips irony, which is probably better entertainment than worrying 
about our situation.


--R

On 4/8/13 8:08 PM, WILTON wrote:

A pity.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "clay" 
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Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day


http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html 



Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort. Probably 
does pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life


clay

On Apr 7, 2013, at 5:55 PM, WILTON wrote:

Too many don't seem to give a damned; seem to think somebody else is 
gonna take care of it for 'em.


Wilton



Question is, you love your country right? So why trash it?
Perhaps send em to live at the rubbish dump for a while.
Me thinks it's the 'someone else will clean up after me' attitude.
And don't worry we have grot bags here too, took some visiting 
yanks for a drive through the hills and we stopped at a look out 
and there was junk just dumped down the hill, was a tad embarrassing.


Hendrik
who empties the ash tray in the 'trash can'

On 08/04/13 05:23, WILTON wrote:
'Damned appalling - trash and crap all up and down the streets and 
roads everywhere.  I'd be highly embarrassed for any of my foreign 
friends to see it.  I'm embarrassed, now, to think that Henny and 
his family might have seen such.


Wilton


The same reason the low-lives that live around me (high dollar 
exurbs these days) toss their bottles, cans, drink cups, and 
McDonald's trash out at the stop sign in my front yard.


Americans, sadly, tend to be VERY trashy.

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

[clay]

The comment section did seem rather polarized as to support for her 

clay

On Apr 8, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

> Guess who she voted for, and still has Hope that things will Change.  I guess 
> she is not down with the fundamental transformation.
> 
> I guess I shouldn't be political and all that, but this kind of stuff just 
> drips irony, which is probably better entertainment than worrying about our 
> situation.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 4/8/13 8:08 PM, WILTON wrote:
>> A pity.
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "clay" 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 6:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day
>> 
>> 
>>> http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html 
>>> 
>>> Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort. Probably does 
>>> pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2013, at 5:55 PM, WILTON wrote:
>>> 
 Too many don't seem to give a damned; seem to think somebody else is gonna 
 take care of it for 'em.
 
 Wilton
 
 
> Question is, you love your country right? So why trash it?
> Perhaps send em to live at the rubbish dump for a while.
> Me thinks it's the 'someone else will clean up after me' attitude.
> And don't worry we have grot bags here too, took some visiting yanks for 
> a drive through the hills and we stopped at a look out and there was junk 
> just dumped down the hill, was a tad embarrassing.
> 
> Hendrik
> who empties the ash tray in the 'trash can'
> 
> On 08/04/13 05:23, WILTON wrote:
>> 'Damned appalling - trash and crap all up and down the streets and roads 
>> everywhere.  I'd be highly embarrassed for any of my foreign friends to 
>> see it.  I'm embarrassed, now, to think that Henny and his family might 
>> have seen such.
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>> 
>>> The same reason the low-lives that live around me (high dollar exurbs 
>>> these days) toss their bottles, cans, drink cups, and McDonald's trash 
>>> out at the stop sign in my front yard.
>>> 
>>> Americans, sadly, tend to be VERY trashy.
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

[Scott Ritchey]

Gee, do you think there is could be some connection between an anti-business
climate and a lack of jobs?

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Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

Guess who she voted for, and still has Hope that things will Change.  I 
guess she is not down with the fundamental transformation.

I guess I shouldn't be political and all that, but this kind of stuff 
just drips irony, which is probably better entertainment than worrying 
about our situation.

--R

On 4/8/13 8:08 PM, WILTON wrote:
> A pity.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "clay" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 6:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day
>
>
>>
http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html 
>>
>>
>> Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort. Probably 
>> does pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life
>>
>> clay
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2013, at 5:55 PM, WILTON wrote:
>>
>>> Too many don't seem to give a damned; seem to think somebody else is 
>>> gonna take care of it for 'em.
>>>
>>> Wilton
>>>
>>>
 Question is, you love your country right? So why trash it?
 Perhaps send em to live at the rubbish dump for a while.
 Me thinks it's the 'someone else will clean up after me' attitude.
 And don't worry we have grot bags here too, took some visiting 
 yanks for a drive through the hills and we stopped at a look out 
 and there was junk just dumped down the hill, was a tad embarrassing.

 Hendrik
 who empties the ash tray in the 'trash can'

 On 08/04/13 05:23, WILTON wrote:
> 'Damned appalling - trash and crap all up and down the streets and 
> roads everywhere.  I'd be highly embarrassed for any of my foreign 
> friends to see it.  I'm embarrassed, now, to think that Henny and 
> his family might have seen such.
>
> Wilton
>
>
>> The same reason the low-lives that live around me (high dollar 
>> exurbs these days) toss their bottles, cans, drink cups, and 
>> McDonald's trash out at the stop sign in my front yard.
>>
>> Americans, sadly, tend to be VERY trashy.
>>
>> Peter
>>
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