[MBZ] Anybody there?
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?
Nope; just 'lectrons. Wilt - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: [MBZ] Anybody there? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Watch out! I may hafta throw in another Sondy Tale. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: [MBZ] Anybody there? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?
Adjusting valves. For the first time in almost a week, the wind is not gusting 25-30. Jon '85 300D 108k On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:34 AM, WILTON wrote: Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Beautiful, calm, sunny day here (Goldsboro, NC); 63°, s'posed to get to 79°F today. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there? Adjusting valves. For the first time in almost a week, the wind is not gusting 25-30. Jon '85 300D 108k On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:34 AM, WILTON wrote: Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.
I think, that what happens, is that the wire oxidizes. If you could clean the wire it would be fine but given the cost of a new roll, it is easier to buy a new one. Randy On 06/04/2013 9:37 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Apr 6, 2013 6:51 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: I'm by no means an expert on wire welding, but everyone seems to agree to toss the HF wire and buy a decent brand. The word is that it makes all the difference. That has been my experience as a beginner with a HF wire feed unit as well. Also, the wire goes stale after a while, and even good-quality wire that has been sitting in the garden shed for a year or so is only going to frustrate you. (Hurts to throw it away, though--the good stuff ain't cheap!) Alex ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No body here but us chickens Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: [MBZ] Anybody there? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, here too. Up to 73F today in the far west part of the state looks like it will stay in the 70s for most of the week. Nice! :-) On 4/8/2013 10:59 AM, WILTON wrote: Beautiful, calm, sunny day here (Goldsboro, NC); 63°, s'posed to get to 79°F today. Wilton -- Chris J. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT A tasty recipe
Darn FF (Fat Fingers) should be Brine. On 4/7/2013 23:19, Craig wrote: On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 23:01:10 -0500 Russ Williams rawil...@eatel.net wrote: Love Rack of Lamb. I did a Garlic Stuffed Pork Roast for D-I-L's B-day today. Birned it for 2 days. M'm M'm Good Also made her favorite Cake, Red Velvet from scratch Birned? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6231 - Release Date: 04/07/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?
I like those tales. My granddaddy would spin long-winded tales that I never wanted to listen to, but now what I would give... My uncle, his oldest son, appears to have inherited the trait (and some accuse me) so he is interesting to be around (for awhile). He got his ship sunk by the Japs in WWII and has some interesting tales about that, floating around in the middle of the Pacific for some hours waiting to be found, one of few survivors. --R On 4/8/13 10:36 AM, WILTON wrote: Watch out! I may hafta throw in another Sondy Tale. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: [MBZ] Anybody there? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?
Valves done...all tight, but it's been 18,000 since I last did them. HURT me on the temperature! It might get to 60 here in Maine. Jon On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:59 AM, WILTON wrote: Beautiful, calm, sunny day here (Goldsboro, NC); 63°, s'posed to get to 79°F today. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there? Adjusting valves. For the first time in almost a week, the wind is not gusting 25-30. Jon '85 300D 108k On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:34 AM, WILTON wrote: Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?
Minus 5 C here today. Not much melting at that temperature. Randy On 08/04/2013 11:32 AM, Jon Agne wrote: Valves done...all tight, but it's been 18,000 since I last did them. HURT me on the temperature! It might get to 60 here in Maine. Jon On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:59 AM, WILTON wrote: Beautiful, calm, sunny day here (Goldsboro, NC); 63°, s'posed to get to 79°F today. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there? Adjusting valves. For the first time in almost a week, the wind is not gusting 25-30. Jon '85 300D 108k On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:34 AM, WILTON wrote: Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?
Well, 60 should be enough to melt a lot of that snow and ice, anyway. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there? Valves done...all tight, but it's been 18,000 since I last did them. HURT me on the temperature! It might get to 60 here in Maine. Jon On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:59 AM, WILTON wrote: Beautiful, calm, sunny day here (Goldsboro, NC); 63°, s'posed to get to 79°F today. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there? Adjusting valves. For the first time in almost a week, the wind is not gusting 25-30. Jon '85 300D 108k On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:34 AM, WILTON wrote: Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yep, I heard a lot of good stories, too, that I should have recorded but never did. Mom was born in 1897; Dad was born in 1879, paternal grndad was drafted into Confederate Army in 1862 (wife and 2 children), wounded in Battle of Petersburg, captured at Holder's Run (POW at Pt Lookout, MD). He and his wife (my grndmom) each had brother killed at Gettysburg July 3, 1863. Grndad also had an uncle who died as POW at Pt. Lookout. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there? I like those tales. My granddaddy would spin long-winded tales that I never wanted to listen to, but now what I would give... My uncle, his oldest son, appears to have inherited the trait (and some accuse me) so he is interesting to be around (for awhile). He got his ship sunk by the Japs in WWII and has some interesting tales about that, floating around in the middle of the Pacific for some hours waiting to be found, one of few survivors. --R On 4/8/13 10:36 AM, WILTON wrote: Watch out! I may hafta throw in another Sondy Tale. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: [MBZ] Anybody there? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?
You reminded me: 2 of my brothers had their ships sunk during WWII; one on supply/troop carrier off Casablanca; 'was later in D-Day invasion of France (Omaha Beach) and Okinawa; other brother, a medical corpsman on aircraft carrier Hornet, gave the Doolittle Raiders shots before their departure to bomb Japan - Thirty Seconds over Tokyo. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there? I like those tales. My granddaddy would spin long-winded tales that I never wanted to listen to, but now what I would give... My uncle, his oldest son, appears to have inherited the trait (and some accuse me) so he is interesting to be around (for awhile). He got his ship sunk by the Japs in WWII and has some interesting tales about that, floating around in the middle of the Pacific for some hours waiting to be found, one of few survivors. --R On 4/8/13 10:36 AM, WILTON wrote: Watch out! I may hafta throw in another Sondy Tale. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: [MBZ] Anybody there? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?
Shots of Jack Daniels or typhoid/yellow fever/etc? ;) -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: You reminded me: 2 of my brothers had their ships sunk during WWII; one on supply/troop carrier off Casablanca; 'was later in D-Day invasion of France (Omaha Beach) and Okinawa; other brother, a medical corpsman on aircraft carrier Hornet, gave the Doolittle Raiders shots before their departure to bomb Japan - Thirty Seconds over Tokyo. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there? I like those tales. My granddaddy would spin long-winded tales that I never wanted to listen to, but now what I would give... My uncle, his oldest son, appears to have inherited the trait (and some accuse me) so he is interesting to be around (for awhile). He got his ship sunk by the Japs in WWII and has some interesting tales about that, floating around in the middle of the Pacific for some hours waiting to be found, one of few survivors. --R On 4/8/13 10:36 AM, WILTON wrote: Watch out! I may hafta throw in another Sondy Tale. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: [MBZ] Anybody there? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?
medical corpsman - typhoid/yellow fever, etc. Yeah, I know, Max, it was hard to resist. 'Had that thought, myself, but also thought medical corpsman would squelch the urge. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there? Shots of Jack Daniels or typhoid/yellow fever/etc? ;) -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: You reminded me: 2 of my brothers had their ships sunk during WWII; one on supply/troop carrier off Casablanca; 'was later in D-Day invasion of France (Omaha Beach) and Okinawa; other brother, a medical corpsman on aircraft carrier Hornet, gave the Doolittle Raiders shots before their departure to bomb Japan - Thirty Seconds over Tokyo. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there? I like those tales. My granddaddy would spin long-winded tales that I never wanted to listen to, but now what I would give... My uncle, his oldest son, appears to have inherited the trait (and some accuse me) so he is interesting to be around (for awhile). He got his ship sunk by the Japs in WWII and has some interesting tales about that, floating around in the middle of the Pacific for some hours waiting to be found, one of few survivors. --R On 4/8/13 10:36 AM, WILTON wrote: Watch out! I may hafta throw in another Sondy Tale. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: [MBZ] Anybody there? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?
On 08/04/2013 1:20 PM, WILTON wrote: medical corpsman - typhoid/yellow fever, etc. Yeah, I know, Max, it was hard to resist. 'Had that thought, myself, but also thought medical corpsman would squelch the urge. ;) Wilton corpsman does not really instill confidence does it? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.
On 06/04/2013 9:37 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Also, the wire goes stale after a while, and even good-quality wire that has been sitting in the garden shed for a year or so is only going to frustrate you. Randy Bennell wrote: I think, that what happens, is that the wire oxidizes. If that's the case, then storing it in the freezer should slow down the oxidation. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?
'Til ya need one. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there? On 08/04/2013 1:20 PM, WILTON wrote: medical corpsman - typhoid/yellow fever, etc. Yeah, I know, Max, it was hard to resist. 'Had that thought, myself, but also thought medical corpsman would squelch the urge. ;) Wilton corpsman does not really instill confidence does it? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 6:23 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Should click (energize) at position 2, position 3 is the last spring loaded position which energizes the starter? I'm assuming position zero is off, and 1 is the accessory position... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was a disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its clicking when I turn the key to position three. Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Rentfro wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch, I'd suspect trouble there. With a test light (or a volt meter), I'd try to track the flow. Is +12 getting _to_ the switch? Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch positions? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Wiring diagram, digital multi-meter, basic understanding of direct current electrical theory, and time with the patient... -OR- A friend with identical year/model car you can compare to your car, but that isn't a sure thing if the problem is deeper than crossed wires. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 6:23 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Should click (energize) at position 2, position 3 is the last spring loaded position which energizes the starter? I'm assuming position zero is off, and 1 is the accessory position... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was a disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its clicking when I turn the key to position three. Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Rentfro wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch, I'd suspect trouble there. With a test light (or a volt meter), I'd try to track the flow. Is +12 getting _to_ the switch? Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch positions? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
If you have B+ at the solenoid wire then it should work when you reconnect the wire to the solenoid - unless the solenoid has a problem. Dan On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 6:23 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Should click (energize) at position 2, position 3 is the last spring loaded position which energizes the starter? I'm assuming position zero is off, and 1 is the accessory position... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was a disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its clicking when I turn the key to position three. Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Rentfro wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch, I'd suspect trouble there. With a test light (or a volt meter), I'd try to track the flow. Is +12 getting _to_ the switch? Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch positions? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Have ya banged the starter with a stick from the top while holding the key in START position? If not, please, do and see what happens (don't be shy/bashful with the stick). Wilton - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update. Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 6:23 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Should click (energize) at position 2, position 3 is the last spring loaded position which energizes the starter? I'm assuming position zero is off, and 1 is the accessory position... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was a disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its clicking when I turn the key to position three. Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Rentfro wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch, I'd suspect trouble there. With a test light (or a volt meter), I'd try to track the flow. Is +12 getting _to_ the switch? Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch positions? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rear brake calipers
Please excuse the on-topic talk for a minute :) The rear driver's side caliper on my '84 190D has quit doing anything so today when I was at CarQuest I inquired the price on replacements. He says we need to know if the Inspection hole is 1 5/8 or 1 1/2 the picture provided in the computer is no help and we were both left scratching our heads. New Q has some calipers that note With 1 1/2 inspection hole and some that are not for ASR. I'm guessing this difference refers to the mount and I'll have to measure something on the car, anybody got any ideas? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
The solenoid/ starter is new Bosch. Well, 3 months old. And yes Wilton, I have mechanically agitated it. Getting a little frustrating. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 12:46 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: If you have B+ at the solenoid wire then it should work when you reconnect the wire to the solenoid - unless the solenoid has a problem. Dan On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 6:23 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Should click (energize) at position 2, position 3 is the last spring loaded position which energizes the starter? I'm assuming position zero is off, and 1 is the accessory position... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was a disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its clicking when I turn the key to position three. Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Rentfro wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch, I'd suspect trouble there. With a test light (or a volt meter), I'd try to track the flow. Is +12 getting _to_ the switch? Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch positions? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Add one more point you've missed, starter spins when you jump the big lugs on the starter it spins. Last test, short big lug to little lug (ie apply power direct to solenoid) if car doesn't start its a bad solenoid. Personally I'd skip that last test, if you have power to the solenoid but not power THROUGH the solenoid its the solenoid... -Curt Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 12:19:17 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update. Message-ID: CAKOy=fx5gyzuhsepxnnf8zyvggzprgonwxyfadhk74z1ttg...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 12:19:17 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? What happens when you short the top large terminal on the starter (with the large wire that goes to the battery) to the small, middle terminal on the starter? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.
On 08/04/2013 2:15 PM, Fmiser wrote: On 06/04/2013 9:37 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Also, the wire goes stale after a while, and even good-quality wire that has been sitting in the garden shed for a year or so is only going to frustrate you. Randy Bennell wrote: I think, that what happens, is that the wire oxidizes. If that's the case, then storing it in the freezer should slow down the oxidation. -- Philip But, it is a bit of a pain to take it off of the machine and put it back on etc. Although, it might be a good idea if you buy an extra roll when it is on sale, to keep it well sealed and maybe in the freezer too. OR, vacuum bag it! My wife just bought a kitchen appliance that seals food in plastic bags after sucking the air out. It is a cool doodad. She buys fresh meat in fairly large trays at Costco and then divides it up into smaller packages and freezes it. We were getting some freezer burn on packages that got a bit lost in the freezer so she is trying this to see if it helps. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?
But, if you are a corpse you likely don't need them too bad. Then it is time to call the padre. Randy On 08/04/2013 2:15 PM, WILTON wrote: 'Til ya need one. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there? On 08/04/2013 1:20 PM, WILTON wrote: medical corpsman - typhoid/yellow fever, etc. Yeah, I know, Max, it was hard to resist. 'Had that thought, myself, but also thought medical corpsman would squelch the urge. ;) Wilton corpsman does not really instill confidence does it? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
That was my immediate thought as well. If there is power to the solenoid, it should try to kick in unless the solenoid is bad. Unfortunately, with diesels of this vintage (at least on mine) you can't just turn the key on and off a few times to see if it catches. When the solenoid contacts were going bad on our 4Runner, I could get it to go like that. Flip the key back and forth and it would catch - the down side was that the cold start injector would fire too so there was a bit of smoke on start up. I know with my car, if I turn the key off, I have to start over again so I cannot just flip the key back on quickly. Randy On 08/04/2013 2:45 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: If you have B+ at the solenoid wire then it should work when you reconnect the wire to the solenoid - unless the solenoid has a problem. Dan On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the solenoid and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens. Bad solenoid? On Apr 8, 2013 12:56 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 12:19:17 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? What happens when you short the top large terminal on the starter (with the large wire that goes to the battery) to the small, middle terminal on the starter? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
I used a piece of 1/2 or 3/4 pipe. If that does not get the starter working, then you need a different starter. Have ya banged the starter with a stick from the top while holding the key in START position? If not, please, do and see what happens (don't be shy/bashful with the stick). Wilton - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update. Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Bob Rentfro wrote: nothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Do you mean nothing or starter motor doesn't turn nor does the solenoid doesn't click 'cause correct dash lights doesn't sound like nothing. At which end of the switch-to-solenoid wire did you measure voltage? If there is 12 V at the small terminal on the solenoid on the starter, and it doesn't clunk, then it would seem a dead solenoid is the problem. One way to test is to jumper from the big battery (top) terminal on the solenoid to the small one on the side. The solenoid should clunk and the starter motor should spin. If there is no clunk, and jumping the two big ones makes the starter spin, then the solenoid is dead. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
On 08/04/2013 3:02 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the solenoid and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens. Bad solenoid? On Apr 8, 2013 12:56 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Let me suggest that you get one of the remote starter tester doodads. Basically a switch with a cable and two clips. Hook it on the terminals and press the button or squeeze the trigger. You can do it from beside the car instead of laying under there with a screwdriver wondering if it will fire and take off, running over you in the process. And yes, it sounds like the solenoid has failed. Unless . . . . Who installed the solenoid - did it come on the starter?? I know we ran into an issue with the 4Runner I mentioned in another post. I had installed the new contacts so it was my fault. There was a ball on the end of a spring that fit in a certain spot. On assembly the ball got out of the spot it was supposed to be in. The starter worked for a few days and then one day would not. When I took it apart, I found that the ball had gotten jammed into a spot that prevented the solenoid from pulling in the contacts. Put a dab of grease on the ball to hold it in place where it belonged long enough to reassemble the starter and it has worked fine for years. No damage was done. So, if this starter has anything like that inside, it might just be fixable. If not, then one would think, either the contacts are not working - got burned somehow?? - or the coil is an open circuit - the solenoid is essentially an electromagnet that activates when current flows and pulls the contacts into place. So, one would think one could check to see if the coil is open or grounded out with a multi-meter before removing the thing from the vehicle. Forgive me if this is off the mark. I have no experience with MB starters and solenoids - jsut that most all that I have worked on with other vehicles work as above and I am trusting that the MB one does too. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers
Sounds like you may have a plugged rubber hose, not a caliper problem. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Please excuse the on-topic talk for a minute :) The rear driver's side caliper on my '84 190D has quit doing anything so today when I was at CarQuest I inquired the price on replacements. He says we need to know if the Inspection hole is 1 5/8 or 1 1/2 the picture provided in the computer is no help and we were both left scratching our heads. New Q has some calipers that note With 1 1/2 inspection hole and some that are not for ASR. I'm guessing this difference refers to the mount and I'll have to measure something on the car, anybody got any ideas? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? On Apr 8, 2013 1:14 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 08/04/2013 3:02 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the solenoid and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens. Bad solenoid? On Apr 8, 2013 12:56 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Let me suggest that you get one of the remote starter tester doodads. Basically a switch with a cable and two clips. Hook it on the terminals and press the button or squeeze the trigger. You can do it from beside the car instead of laying under there with a screwdriver wondering if it will fire and take off, running over you in the process. And yes, it sounds like the solenoid has failed. Unless . . . . Who installed the solenoid - did it come on the starter?? I know we ran into an issue with the 4Runner I mentioned in another post. I had installed the new contacts so it was my fault. There was a ball on the end of a spring that fit in a certain spot. On assembly the ball got out of the spot it was supposed to be in. The starter worked for a few days and then one day would not. When I took it apart, I found that the ball had gotten jammed into a spot that prevented the solenoid from pulling in the contacts. Put a dab of grease on the ball to hold it in place where it belonged long enough to reassemble the starter and it has worked fine for years. No damage was done. So, if this starter has anything like that inside, it might just be fixable. If not, then one would think, either the contacts are not working - got burned somehow?? - or the coil is an open circuit - the solenoid is essentially an electromagnet that activates when current flows and pulls the contacts into place. So, one would think one could check to see if the coil is open or grounded out with a multi-meter before removing the thing from the vehicle. Forgive me if this is off the mark. I have no experience with MB starters and solenoids - jsut that most all that I have worked on with other vehicles work as above and I am trusting that the MB one does too. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Sothis is the first time I've tried to remove a solenoid. It appears that the electrical part comes off and the mechanical part stays on the starter is that correct? Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 1:26 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? On Apr 8, 2013 1:14 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 08/04/2013 3:02 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the solenoid and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens. Bad solenoid? On Apr 8, 2013 12:56 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Let me suggest that you get one of the remote starter tester doodads. Basically a switch with a cable and two clips. Hook it on the terminals and press the button or squeeze the trigger. You can do it from beside the car instead of laying under there with a screwdriver wondering if it will fire and take off, running over you in the process. And yes, it sounds like the solenoid has failed. Unless . . . . Who installed the solenoid - did it come on the starter?? I know we ran into an issue with the 4Runner I mentioned in another post. I had installed the new contacts so it was my fault. There was a ball on the end of a spring that fit in a certain spot. On assembly the ball got out of the spot it was supposed to be in. The starter worked for a few days and then one day would not. When I took it apart, I found that the ball had gotten jammed into a spot that prevented the solenoid from pulling in the contacts. Put a dab of grease on the ball to hold it in place where it belonged long enough to reassemble the starter and it has worked fine for years. No damage was done. So, if this starter has anything like that inside, it might just be fixable. If not, then one would think, either the contacts are not working - got burned somehow?? - or the coil is an open circuit - the solenoid is essentially an electromagnet that activates when current flows and pulls the contacts into place. So, one would think one could check to see if the coil is open or grounded out with a multi-meter before removing the thing from the vehicle. Forgive me if this is off the mark. I have no experience with MB starters and solenoids - jsut that most all that I have worked on with other vehicles work as above and I am trusting that the MB one does too. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:02:54 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: What happens when you short the top large terminal on the starter (with the large wire that goes to the battery) to the small, middle terminal on the starter? Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the solenoid and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens. Bad solenoid? Yes. The solenoid should simultaneously push the starter's gear into the ring gear and short the two big terminals together, causing the starter to turn the engine. You already proved that shorting the two big terminals together causes the starter to spin (though, because the starter's gear isn't pushed into the ring gear, it won't turn the engine). So, the starter is good but its solenoid is not. All the other troubleshooting you have done is a waste of time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
I get it now. Thanks for all the advice, men. Gotta get the pug on the road. Gotta find a solenoid On Apr 8, 2013 1:39 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:02:54 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: What happens when you short the top large terminal on the starter (with the large wire that goes to the battery) to the small, middle terminal on the starter? Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the solenoid and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens. Bad solenoid? Yes. The solenoid should simultaneously push the starter's gear into the ring gear and short the two big terminals together, causing the starter to turn the engine. You already proved that shorting the two big terminals together causes the starter to spin (though, because the starter's gear isn't pushed into the ring gear, it won't turn the engine). So, the starter is good but its solenoid is not. All the other troubleshooting you have done is a waste of time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:38:49 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Sothis is the first time I've tried to remove a solenoid. It appears that the electrical part comes off and the mechanical part stays on the starter is that correct? You will first need to remove the starter from the car. Then loosen the nut on the solenoid's big bolt closest to the starter and remove the wire that goes into the starter from the bolt. Then loosen the bolts that hold the solenoid to the casting that bolts the starter to the engine. Now, carefully pull the solenoid away from the casting. You will most likely find that the lever that pushes the starter's gear out into the ring gear is engaged with an extension of the solenoid's core. (Sorry, I haven't taken a starter apart for awhile.) You will need to undo that engagement to be able to remove the solenoid from the starter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? You bought it new three months ago? What kind of warranty does it have? Can you not make good on the warranty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service right now. And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by them self anymore. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? You bought it new three months ago? What kind of warranty does it have? Can you not make good on the warranty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
I guess you turned in the old starter when you got the new one? Wilton - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update. I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service right now. And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by them self anymore. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? You bought it new three months ago? What kind of warranty does it have? Can you not make good on the warranty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers
Possibly at one point you were correct, at this point I would think I have a caliper problem. I don't know how long its been stuck but I'd hazard a guess that its been many months... Regardless I intend to do the full Monty for the rear brakes, calipers, pads, rotors. I'd like to do ceramic pads if they're available. Q got me some for the front that are nice, no squeaks, squeals or dust. -Curt Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:24:50 -0400 From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers Message-ID: a38a477e-4723-432d-9c68-f129f26f9...@email.android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sounds like you may have a plugged rubber hose, not a caliper problem. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Please excuse the on-topic talk for a minute :) The rear driver's side caliper on my '84 190D has quit doing anything so today when I was at CarQuest I inquired the price on replacements. He says we need to know if the Inspection hole is 1 5/8 or 1 1/2 the picture provided in the computer is no help and we were both left scratching our heads. New Q has some calipers that note With 1 1/2 inspection hole and some that are not for ASR. I'm guessing this difference refers to the mount and I'll have to measure something on the car, anybody got any ideas? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Yes. I know I thought the same thing Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 2:22 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I guess you turned in the old starter when you got the new one? Wilton - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update. I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service right now. And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by them self anymore. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? You bought it new three months ago? What kind of warranty does it have? Can you not make good on the warranty? Craig __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.
Those work well for high speed marinating, too. Putting something under a vacuum really forces the liquid into the meat, so you don't have to marinade as long. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: But, it is a bit of a pain to take it off of the machine and put it back on etc. Although, it might be a good idea if you buy an extra roll when it is on sale, to keep it well sealed and maybe in the freezer too. OR, vacuum bag it! My wife just bought a kitchen appliance that seals food in plastic bags after sucking the air out. It is a cool doodad. She buys fresh meat in fairly large trays at Costco and then divides it up into smaller packages and freezes it. We were getting some freezer burn on packages that got a bit lost in the freezer so she is trying this to see if it helps. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers
Check the stealership. They are surprisingly competitive on things like rotors and pads. Rotors and pads for the front of my S500 are only a few dollars more than the OE ones. Not only that, MB throws in the brake paste, too! Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Possibly at one point you were correct, at this point I would think I have a caliper problem. I don't know how long its been stuck but I'd hazard a guess that its been many months... Regardless I intend to do the full Monty for the rear brakes, calipers, pads, rotors. I'd like to do ceramic pads if they're available. Q got me some for the front that are nice, no squeaks, squeals or dust. -Curt Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:24:50 -0400 From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers Message-ID: a38a477e-4723-432d-9c68-f129f26f9...@email.android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sounds like you may have a plugged rubber hose, not a caliper problem. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Please excuse the on-topic talk for a minute :) The rear driver's side caliper on my '84 190D has quit doing anything so today when I was at CarQuest I inquired the price on replacements. He says we need to know if the Inspection hole is 1 5/8 or 1 1/2 the picture provided in the computer is no help and we were both left scratching our heads. New Q has some calipers that note With 1 1/2 inspection hole and some that are not for ASR. I'm guessing this difference refers to the mount and I'll have to measure something on the car, anybody got any ideas? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
If you can find a solenoid it will cost almost as much as a complete starter. That's just the way the market is. This solenoid works by pulling in the armature to engage the bendix drive on the starter. When the armature pulls in, a large copper disc on the armature shorts the two large terminals on the solenoid together, completing the circuit between the battery and starter motor. The disc could be damaged, the coil could be open, there are a myriad of potential issues. Long story short, as you have already surmised, it's time for a new starter. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service right now. And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by them self anymore. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? You bought it new three months ago? What kind of warranty does it have? Can you not make good on the warranty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers
Have you already replaced the hose? If you open the bleed valve, will brake fluid flow out under pedal pressure? I REALLY like the ceramic brake pads. Will never go back. Fantastic stopping power, very very little dust. They seem a little extra strong when cold, a good thing. Not quite grabby, but getting there. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Possibly at one point you were correct, at this point I would think I have a caliper problem. I don't know how long its been stuck but I'd hazard a guess that its been many months... Regardless I intend to do the full Monty for the rear brakes, calipers, pads, rotors. I'd like to do ceramic pads if they're available. Q got me some for the front that are nice, no squeaks, squeals or dust. -Curt Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:24:50 -0400 From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers Message-ID: a38a477e-4723-432d-9c68-f129f26f9...@email.android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sounds like you may have a plugged rubber hose, not a caliper problem. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
I have removed the starter, but the solenoid back on, packed up and I'm heading over to UPS. Gary provided stellar customer serviceso far. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 3:27 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: If you can find a solenoid it will cost almost as much as a complete starter. That's just the way the market is. This solenoid works by pulling in the armature to engage the bendix drive on the starter. When the armature pulls in, a large copper disc on the armature shorts the two large terminals on the solenoid together, completing the circuit between the battery and starter motor. The disc could be damaged, the coil could be open, there are a myriad of potential issues. Long story short, as you have already surmised, it's time for a new starter. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service right now. And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by them self anymore. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? You bought it new three months ago? What kind of warranty does it have? Can you not make good on the warranty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Funny story about starter abuse: Co-worker had a PT Cruiser that had intermittent starting problems, as in it would not crank at random times. Knowing I had a little automotive experience (his words) he asked me if I had any idea as to the problem. Check all of your battery terminals, chassis grounds and the battery. Next day it acts up again. He takes it to a Firestone shop across the street from work. Comes back at the end of the day with a new battery and cables. A week later it pukes again in our parking structure. It goes back to Firestone. Just had a loose cable. No charge! Yup, you guessed it. Did it again a few weeks later. Just so happens I was leaving late and he was there in the parking structure trying to get it to work. So what do you think it is, Dan?, Manny asks me. Did you check everything I told you? Sure did. All the cables are tight, battery is new, etc. Got anything in the trunk like a tire iron or a golf club? puzzled look I have a baseball bat. Perfect! Bring it here. So I manage to locate the starter, which on this PT Cruiser was in the front of the engine and fairly accessible. I took the bat and rapped on the starter with the end of the bat several times. The car started. He had the car for another 6-8 months before he sold it. Never failed to start again. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I used a piece of 1/2 or 3/4 pipe. If that does not get the starter working, then you need a different starter. Have ya banged the starter with a stick from the top while holding the key in START position? If not, please, do and see what happens (don't be shy/bashful with the stick). Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day
http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort. Probably does pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life clay On Apr 7, 2013, at 5:55 PM, WILTON wrote: Too many don't seem to give a damned; seem to think somebody else is gonna take care of it for 'em. Wilton Question is, you love your country right? So why trash it? Perhaps send em to live at the rubbish dump for a while. Me thinks it's the 'someone else will clean up after me' attitude. And don't worry we have grot bags here too, took some visiting yanks for a drive through the hills and we stopped at a look out and there was junk just dumped down the hill, was a tad embarrassing. Hendrik who empties the ash tray in the 'trash can' On 08/04/13 05:23, WILTON wrote: 'Damned appalling - trash and crap all up and down the streets and roads everywhere. I'd be highly embarrassed for any of my foreign friends to see it. I'm embarrassed, now, to think that Henny and his family might have seen such. Wilton The same reason the low-lives that live around me (high dollar exurbs these days) toss their bottles, cans, drink cups, and McDonald's trash out at the stop sign in my front yard. Americans, sadly, tend to be VERY trashy. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers
Call the new Q with your VIN, and I suspect that he will be able to fix you right up! On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Please excuse the on-topic talk for a minute :) The rear driver's side caliper on my '84 190D has quit doing anything so today when I was at CarQuest I inquired the price on replacements. He says we need to know if the Inspection hole is 1 5/8 or 1 1/2 the picture provided in the computer is no help and we were both left scratching our heads. New Q has some calipers that note With 1 1/2 inspection hole and some that are not for ASR. I'm guessing this difference refers to the mount and I'll have to measure something on the car, anybody got any ideas? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2013 F150 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Bob R wrote: I have removed the starter, but the solenoid back on, packed up and I'm heading over to UPS. Gary provided stellar customer serviceso far. Yes. Our problem was in December. We used hammer on starter for about 10 days and then the problem disappeared. Gary found us a German solenoid - he knew we do not allow china in our house - china junque does not cut it in our house, no matter what. Death By China documentary - has anyone seen that flick yet? The issue is not merely low cost, low quality - it is environmental degradation, child labor, low wages, more... I want to see this when DVD comes available and library purchases. youtube trailers are interesting. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers
Closest dealer is ~50 miles away and just about as inconvenient as possible. My local CarQuest has high quality stuff (just today I put Moog sway bar links and bushings on the Ranger) at good prices plus warranty is a snap since they're right around the corner. Their price on calipers got my attention, remans for $70 each, at that price I won't bother to look anywhere else. I know some guys hate remans (Hursty had some quite unkind words) but the set I put on my '83 240D worked out just fine. -Curt Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 18:21:13 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers Message-ID: dbbc9db3-2167-45a0-aeb8-b2aeed2ba...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Check the stealership. They are surprisingly competitive on things like rotors and pads. Rotors and pads for the front of my S500 are only a few dollars more than the OE ones. Not only that, MB throws in the brake paste, too! Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Possibly at one point you were correct, at this point I would think I have a caliper problem. I don't know how long its been stuck but I'd hazard a guess that its been many months... Regardless I intend to do the full Monty for the rear brakes, calipers, pads, rotors. I'd like to do ceramic pads if they're available. Q got me some for the front that are nice, no squeaks, squeals or dust. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Sorry, I'm late to all this, but I see your post where you mention the problem is the relay... I didn't catch up on all the rest of them yet. But, Being a 1980, this probably has the earlier style relay. You can open these up and clean the contacts. If you hear it clicking, then the solenoid inside is probably good. On my 79 300SD (same relay design), one of the two contacts was bent up a bit from heat and not making any contact. The second contact was dirty and not conducting well. Bending things back into shape and some cleaning with emory cloth got it working well again. Maybe this is a useful tidbit. Also, I know this is obvious and probably mentioned before, but check the fuse carefully. It may look good, but a slight crack means its bad. Remove it to inspect it. And finally, just speaking from experience here, don't assume that just because you fixed something, that its still fixed. That is, check you batter cables again very carefully, and all your other grounds for that matter. Good luck! Jaime On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Years ago (probably 20 or so) SWMBO was Executive Director of Community Arts Council; she called early one afternoon from local bank president's home; our '80 240D wouldn't start. Mr. and Mrs. Bnk Pres. wanted to call AAA for her; she said, Let me call Wilton first. 'Just happened to catch me at home; I rushed over, pulled up behind the 240D, got out with broom stick in my hand; asked SWMBO to get in, pull hood latch and when I say, 'Start it,' start it. I opened hood, stuck broom stick down into right rear of engine compartment, and, as I went Bam, bam, bam! with stick on starter, I said, Start it! 240D said, Kernk!, RRDDDRR, RRDDRR, RRDDRR, etc. (Some call it 'klata, klata,' sounds more like RRDDRR, RRDDRR, RRDDRR, to me). Mr. and Mrs. Banker were amazed by my magic stick. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update. Funny story about starter abuse: Co-worker had a PT Cruiser that had intermittent starting problems, as in it would not crank at random times. Knowing I had a little automotive experience (his words) he asked me if I had any idea as to the problem. Check all of your battery terminals, chassis grounds and the battery. Next day it acts up again. He takes it to a Firestone shop across the street from work. Comes back at the end of the day with a new battery and cables. A week later it pukes again in our parking structure. It goes back to Firestone. Just had a loose cable. No charge! Yup, you guessed it. Did it again a few weeks later. Just so happens I was leaving late and he was there in the parking structure trying to get it to work. So what do you think it is, Dan?, Manny asks me. Did you check everything I told you? Sure did. All the cables are tight, battery is new, etc. Got anything in the trunk like a tire iron or a golf club? puzzled look I have a baseball bat. Perfect! Bring it here. So I manage to locate the starter, which on this PT Cruiser was in the front of the engine and fairly accessible. I took the bat and rapped on the starter with the end of the bat several times. The car started. He had the car for another 6-8 months before he sold it. Never failed to start again. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I used a piece of 1/2 or 3/4 pipe. If that does not get the starter working, then you need a different starter. Have ya banged the starter with a stick from the top while holding the key in START position? If not, please, do and see what happens (don't be shy/bashful with the stick). Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers
Sometimes remans are the only way to go. I just did all four calipers on my '95 E320 wagon. The front listed for $1000 each for new! Rebuilt from Gary were less than 10% of that. So, the choice was clear. Just keep an eye on on them first week or two to make sure they're not leaking. Funny thing about those wagon calipers... it seems they're 94 or 95 only, and wagon only. I was luck to get rebuilds considering how rare they are! Jaime On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Closest dealer is ~50 miles away and just about as inconvenient as possible. My local CarQuest has high quality stuff (just today I put Moog sway bar links and bushings on the Ranger) at good prices plus warranty is a snap since they're right around the corner. Their price on calipers got my attention, remans for $70 each, at that price I won't bother to look anywhere else. I know some guys hate remans (Hursty had some quite unkind words) but the set I put on my '83 240D worked out just fine. -Curt Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 18:21:13 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers Message-ID: dbbc9db3-2167-45a0-aeb8-b2aeed2ba...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Check the stealership. They are surprisingly competitive on things like rotors and pads. Rotors and pads for the front of my S500 are only a few dollars more than the OE ones. Not only that, MB throws in the brake paste, too! Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Possibly at one point you were correct, at this point I would think I have a caliper problem. I don't know how long its been stuck but I'd hazard a guess that its been many months... Regardless I intend to do the full Monty for the rear brakes, calipers, pads, rotors. I'd like to do ceramic pads if they're available. Q got me some for the front that are nice, no squeaks, squeals or dust. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day
A pity. Wilton - Original Message - From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort. Probably does pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life clay On Apr 7, 2013, at 5:55 PM, WILTON wrote: Too many don't seem to give a damned; seem to think somebody else is gonna take care of it for 'em. Wilton Question is, you love your country right? So why trash it? Perhaps send em to live at the rubbish dump for a while. Me thinks it's the 'someone else will clean up after me' attitude. And don't worry we have grot bags here too, took some visiting yanks for a drive through the hills and we stopped at a look out and there was junk just dumped down the hill, was a tad embarrassing. Hendrik who empties the ash tray in the 'trash can' On 08/04/13 05:23, WILTON wrote: 'Damned appalling - trash and crap all up and down the streets and roads everywhere. I'd be highly embarrassed for any of my foreign friends to see it. I'm embarrassed, now, to think that Henny and his family might have seen such. Wilton The same reason the low-lives that live around me (high dollar exurbs these days) toss their bottles, cans, drink cups, and McDonald's trash out at the stop sign in my front yard. Americans, sadly, tend to be VERY trashy. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers
Or get the appropriate kit from new Q and reman them yourself - not that difficult on a 201 - BTDT. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Closest dealer is ~50 miles away and just about as inconvenient as possible. My local CarQuest has high quality stuff (just today I put Moog sway bar links and bushings on the Ranger) at good prices plus warranty is a snap since they're right around the corner. Their price on calipers got my attention, remans for $70 each, at that price I won't bother to look anywhere else. I know some guys hate remans (Hursty had some quite unkind words) but the set I put on my '83 240D worked out just fine. -Curt Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 18:21:13 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers Message-ID: dbbc9db3-2167-45a0-aeb8-b2aeed2ba...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Check the stealership. They are surprisingly competitive on things like rotors and pads. Rotors and pads for the front of my S500 are only a few dollars more than the OE ones. Not only that, MB throws in the brake paste, too! Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Possibly at one point you were correct, at this point I would think I have a caliper problem. I don't know how long its been stuck but I'd hazard a guess that its been many months... Regardless I intend to do the full Monty for the rear brakes, calipers, pads, rotors. I'd like to do ceramic pads if they're available. Q got me some for the front that are nice, no squeaks, squeals or dust. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2013 F150 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day
What? You mean a BA in English isn't a ticket to the good life? /sarcasm -Curt Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:45:47 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day Message-ID: ce00e0ee-d5e5-4aaf-b060-18b44c076...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort. Probably does pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day
Right up there with Art History. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:15 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: What? You mean a BA in English isn't a ticket to the good life? /sarcasm -Curt Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:45:47 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day Message-ID: ce00e0ee-d5e5-4aaf-b060-18b44c076...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort. Probably does pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day
Not really. My mother had one and all it served was for her to teach middle schoolers My sister has one and she had to get a professional degree to become more than just a barista at an art house theater. Then she ended up a teacher. The rest of the liberal arts folks I knew ended up married to teachers. or working starbucks clay On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: What? You mean a BA in English isn't a ticket to the good life? /sarcasm -Curt Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:45:47 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day Message-ID: ce00e0ee-d5e5-4aaf-b060-18b44c076...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort. Probably does pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers
I've used reman calipers on my 240D and 280SL. No issues to date. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes remans are the only way to go. I just did all four calipers on my '95 E320 wagon. The front listed for $1000 each for new! Rebuilt from Gary were less than 10% of that. So, the choice was clear. Just keep an eye on on them first week or two to make sure they're not leaking. Funny thing about those wagon calipers... it seems they're 94 or 95 only, and wagon only. I was luck to get rebuilds considering how rare they are! Jaime On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Closest dealer is ~50 miles away and just about as inconvenient as possible. My local CarQuest has high quality stuff (just today I put Moog sway bar links and bushings on the Ranger) at good prices plus warranty is a snap since they're right around the corner. Their price on calipers got my attention, remans for $70 each, at that price I won't bother to look anywhere else. I know some guys hate remans (Hursty had some quite unkind words) but the set I put on my '83 240D worked out just fine. -Curt Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 18:21:13 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers Message-ID: dbbc9db3-2167-45a0-aeb8-b2aeed2ba...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Check the stealership. They are surprisingly competitive on things like rotors and pads. Rotors and pads for the front of my S500 are only a few dollars more than the OE ones. Not only that, MB throws in the brake paste, too! Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Possibly at one point you were correct, at this point I would think I have a caliper problem. I don't know how long its been stuck but I'd hazard a guess that its been many months... Regardless I intend to do the full Monty for the rear brakes, calipers, pads, rotors. I'd like to do ceramic pads if they're available. Q got me some for the front that are nice, no squeaks, squeals or dust. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
An auto electric shop that repairs/rebuilds starters can get them. If you find a source, you want a Bosch. I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service right now. And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by them self anymore. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? You bought it new three months ago? What kind of warranty does it have? Can you not make good on the warranty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day
Reminds me of the old sign: Your lack of planning does not constitute and emergency to me. That said, this is not the country it was 40 years ago. A pity. Wilton - Original Message - From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort. Probably does pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life clay On Apr 7, 2013, at 5:55 PM, WILTON wrote: Too many don't seem to give a damned; seem to think somebody else is gonna take care of it for 'em. Wilton Question is, you love your country right? So why trash it? Perhaps send em to live at the rubbish dump for a while. Me thinks it's the 'someone else will clean up after me' attitude. And don't worry we have grot bags here too, took some visiting yanks for a drive through the hills and we stopped at a look out and there was junk just dumped down the hill, was a tad embarrassing. Hendrik who empties the ash tray in the 'trash can' On 08/04/13 05:23, WILTON wrote: 'Damned appalling - trash and crap all up and down the streets and roads everywhere. I'd be highly embarrassed for any of my foreign friends to see it. I'm embarrassed, now, to think that Henny and his family might have seen such. Wilton The same reason the low-lives that live around me (high dollar exurbs these days) toss their bottles, cans, drink cups, and McDonald's trash out at the stop sign in my front yard. Americans, sadly, tend to be VERY trashy. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day
Guess who she voted for, and still has Hope that things will Change. I guess she is not down with the fundamental transformation. I guess I shouldn't be political and all that, but this kind of stuff just drips irony, which is probably better entertainment than worrying about our situation. --R On 4/8/13 8:08 PM, WILTON wrote: A pity. Wilton - Original Message - From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort. Probably does pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life clay On Apr 7, 2013, at 5:55 PM, WILTON wrote: Too many don't seem to give a damned; seem to think somebody else is gonna take care of it for 'em. Wilton Question is, you love your country right? So why trash it? Perhaps send em to live at the rubbish dump for a while. Me thinks it's the 'someone else will clean up after me' attitude. And don't worry we have grot bags here too, took some visiting yanks for a drive through the hills and we stopped at a look out and there was junk just dumped down the hill, was a tad embarrassing. Hendrik who empties the ash tray in the 'trash can' On 08/04/13 05:23, WILTON wrote: 'Damned appalling - trash and crap all up and down the streets and roads everywhere. I'd be highly embarrassed for any of my foreign friends to see it. I'm embarrassed, now, to think that Henny and his family might have seen such. Wilton The same reason the low-lives that live around me (high dollar exurbs these days) toss their bottles, cans, drink cups, and McDonald's trash out at the stop sign in my front yard. Americans, sadly, tend to be VERY trashy. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day
The comment section did seem rather polarized as to support for her clay On Apr 8, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Guess who she voted for, and still has Hope that things will Change. I guess she is not down with the fundamental transformation. I guess I shouldn't be political and all that, but this kind of stuff just drips irony, which is probably better entertainment than worrying about our situation. --R On 4/8/13 8:08 PM, WILTON wrote: A pity. Wilton - Original Message - From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort. Probably does pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life clay On Apr 7, 2013, at 5:55 PM, WILTON wrote: Too many don't seem to give a damned; seem to think somebody else is gonna take care of it for 'em. Wilton Question is, you love your country right? So why trash it? Perhaps send em to live at the rubbish dump for a while. Me thinks it's the 'someone else will clean up after me' attitude. And don't worry we have grot bags here too, took some visiting yanks for a drive through the hills and we stopped at a look out and there was junk just dumped down the hill, was a tad embarrassing. Hendrik who empties the ash tray in the 'trash can' On 08/04/13 05:23, WILTON wrote: 'Damned appalling - trash and crap all up and down the streets and roads everywhere. I'd be highly embarrassed for any of my foreign friends to see it. I'm embarrassed, now, to think that Henny and his family might have seen such. Wilton The same reason the low-lives that live around me (high dollar exurbs these days) toss their bottles, cans, drink cups, and McDonald's trash out at the stop sign in my front yard. Americans, sadly, tend to be VERY trashy. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
