Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 12, Issue 97
On 11/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Message: 11 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 20:12:52 -0800 From: Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Non MB Diesel Question To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 240s are a great and durable workhorse, but I'd also recommend the 7-series Volvos, which are a great value, and have more usable space. If I had to drive a gasser, and wasn't hip to MBs, I'd be driving either an Audi A4 wagon or a Volvo 740 wagon. Will seCOnd the 740 reCommendation. Have had a '92 740 turbo wagon for three years- is tough and reliable as an anvil, through teCHnologiCAlly advanCed as an anvil as well. Mine i deemed the MulCHwagon- at 215k miles also the designated baCkup for wHen my MB is wonky. On an only tangentially related note, would NOT reCOmmend a Toshiba laptop- as of this morning we're having our third keyboard problem and the 1 year warranty ended YEsterday. Freaking great. Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] Non MB Diesel Question
> > 240s are a great and durable workhorse, but I'd also recommend the 7-series > Volvos, which are a great value, and have more usable space. If I had to > drive a gasser, and wasn't hip to MBs, I'd be driving either an Audi A4 > wagon or a Volvo 740 wagon. > Will seCOnd the 740 reCommendation. Have had a '92 740 turbo wagon for three years- is tough and reliable as an anvil, through teCHnologiCAlly advanCed as an anvil as well. Mine i deemed the MulCHwagon- at 215k miles also the designated baCkup for wHen my MB is wonky. On an only tangentially related note, would NOT reCOmmend a Toshiba laptop- as of this morning we're having our third keyboard problem and the 1 year warranty ended YEsterday. Freaking great. Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] Funny boo boo among MB owners
Sunil wrote the rear fog light is a European thing - pull out the headlight knob once for front fog lights, pull again for rear. And its an annoyingly American thing to leave fogs on all the time, even when there isn't fog for 500 miles. Seems people think hey look, I have fog lights and am kool. And hey, if front fogs to blind the public are cool running the rear fogs is more cooler. Have no clue that 95% of fogs are almost perfectly useless, projecting a light pattern that doesn't do anything if going more then say 10-15MPH. On many cars (insert any Dodge or Pontiac I've driven) decorative only. Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos
VWs are off the list just because I don't get the attraction: everyone I know who has one, is always fixing some dumb sh*t or other. If you have a Chevette or a K-Car for sale, you can do really well around here. They were laughed at in the day, but now people want them back. That says something, donnit? Mac Mac: Where you at? Here in the Philadelphia area Chevettes had Flintstone brakes (i.e. rusted out floorpans) in 5-6 years. For the age, don't many rusted K-cars though- maybe they had galvanized metal? Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] OT VW rabbit conv w/1.6L diesel engine!
Kevin wrote What do you think about that price? Seems high Yeah, $3500 does seem a bit over the top. If one bought the good diesel engine and the complete gasser convertible with blown engine, it wouldn't be that expensive. There mighnt be some complications involved in the engine swap, but $3500...? Once upon a time I almost traded my diesel Rabbit pickup for such a conversion, but didn't in the end. If I recall, modifications were minor- figure out a place for the timing advance in the car and where to hang to the fuse holder for the glow plugs in the engine compartment was about it; the original fuel tank was used. WIth the 1.6 NA diesel the convertible was a dog- I think it had something like 300lbs extra reinforcement to make up for the lost roof structure. That way, the car only folded up in an accident, and not just driving down the road! Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Convertible
I'd rather fit a OM603 into an SL chassis. I love the coupe and all, but a diesel SL would be light years more fun:D On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:46:09 -0600, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://tinyurl.com/y6ego7 whitewalls!
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
My 91 doesn;t have the headlight washers either - I read somewhere (maybe on the CarFax?) - they were optional on diesels - standard on the more expensive models - My understanding- headlight wipers were standard on the 300e, didn't come on the 2.6 liter models like mine. That's fine, makes life easier when pitching the crappy headlights and replacing with euros! Then there were the 94/95 e320s; I *think* they were made optional in '95 when a bunch of stuff was removed as standard equipment. Tony Wirtel
[MBZ] Studded tires and 300sd fuel mileage
Just "resurrected" an '85 300sd that has studded snows on the back. Anyone have a ballpark figure for how much MPG running studded tires costs? I have no idea- am only running the car for a few weeks to get to know it before I sell it. Tony Wirtel 300sd, 300e
Re: [MBZ] Studded tires and 300sd fuel mileage
Regular snows on my 240D cost a couple mpg consistantly. -Curt Thanks- the energy to create all that noise has to come from somewhere! Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] Studded tires and 300sd fuel mileage
Tony Wirtel wrote: > Just "resurrected" an '85 300sd that has studded snows on the back. > Anyone have a ballpark figure for how much MPG running studded tires > costs? I have no idea- am only running the car for a few weeks to get > to know it before I sell it. > > Tony Wirtel > 300sd, 300e Four studded snows and winter fuel used to cut about 15% off of my spring/fall fuel mileage. Can't separate the tires from the winter fuel though. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Marshall! Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] OT House Build Quality
Okay, I know there's been a lot of OT lately (which I think keeps things fun), but I want to draw upon the knowledge our discriminating collective: As new-build houses go, how can one tell if a house is built with quality as opposed to corner-cutting cheapness? I know that new techniques are being used, such as a few pieces of plywood bonded together to make a "2 x 4". Is stuff like that okay, and what else is there to look out for? Brian> Brian- My take? There have been too many "latest and greatest" wood laminates that have come and gone, mostly after owners find that they fall apart and/or spontaneously combust. Build quality is typically so bad today that new houses with critical failures such as roof leaks are more the norm than the exception. Across the road from where I am theres a new collection of McMansions. Cost ranges from the "cheapie" at $800k for the poor folk to the model at 1.2million. On the inside you can see how out of plumb the walls are thanks in part to the wallpaper selected. Occasional creaks in the floor, bad trim work, sloppy paint most everywhere. On the outside, wavy siding with gaps in the corners and in the j-channel near windows. Hope you like the $2.00 Home Depot special lights out back! Oh, and in that model you get a kitchen with cheap looking formica counters. All the doors are plastic- the kind that start warping in 5-10 years or so. CanNOT get wood as an "upgrade." This model has an unfinished basement where a non-trained eye can see short cuts all over the place And the crowning achievement? The vista out the cathedral-ceilinged living room is the cooling towers of a nuclear plant 8 miles away. Sorry for the tangent- BUT the point (and there is a point) is that with engineered lumbar trusses this and most other houses now use, water leaks (or poor ventilation) can create spaces with sufficient moisture that these beams will loose integrity- depending on how much moisture and how much time. The products may be based on good theory, but there are so many things that MUST be done correctly as part of installation that are not likely to that the odds of long term success are not good. Finally, in talking to people who do permits in our township there are already problems. The oldest of these houses are 18 months old. I'm confident that our old and creaky 200 year old house will be here in another 40-50 years when these houses across the way are being torn down. Tony Wirtel 1805 farmhouse (decrepit by "modern" standards), 85 300sd (just plain decrepit), 92 300e (decent)
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
The double roller timing chain that came out in mid-83 is a plus. The earlier single roller chain is the one that tends to explode & if you are lucky, you only bend 2 vaves. If you are in the States, you need to know that the the 126 body 380's were all grey market cars. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Tom- you might be thinking of the 280s; I believe all of those were grey market, as were any 500s other than the 85 500sel. Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] [OT] The Imperial Presidency
Hell, if I were the Prez, I would have a whole bunch of old Benzes in the back, I would have probably hopped in a 115 or something and just drove over there. Well, he is from Texas- since the whole shindig was about alternative fuels, how 'bout at least a US of A pick-em-up with a diesel and "BIODIESEL" on the liftgate.... Tony Wirtel
[MBZ] 300sd FS near Philadelphia
I'd like to say "usual disclaimers blah blah blah" but, it's my car! http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/266674708.html Have more pictures too at http://s124.photobucket.com/albums/p12/tonywirtel/?start=0 This heap just rescued my family when my wife's Passat couldn't manage but the first of three hills leading to our house. Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] 300sd FS near Philadelphia
Heap? Looks and sounds like a great car to me. I think you could charge more. Wish I could buy it for winter driving. Would have to use block heater here though. BTW, how do you know the engine was replaced at 53k? Brian Brian- the engine was replaced in 1999 with a junkyard engine- have a receipt somewhere, and the supplier has a decent rep. I'm not exact on the miles; could be as little as 225k on the motor or as much as 275k, so said about 265k to be safe. Runs well and has had decent maintenance. Price is where it is because of the rust- this car won't be here in 5 years, at least as a whole automobile. But it is running well and PA inspected, which is pretty demanding. Because of this car, I can say I've done MB ball joints AND say that I hope I don't have to do them again! That, and as many have said before, the person who spec'ed 6mm hex socket bolts for engine mounts was a moron. Tony Wirtel
[MBZ] 300SD starter jumper wire??
Dumb question: Which wire is it? The only likely-looking candidate on the 5-part "block" on under the intake tube isn't kicking the starter on. This has to have been asked before, 'cept I can't find any info! Tony Wirtel '85 300SD...adjusting valves
Re: [MBZ] MB & Chrysler
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, OK Don wrote: > I'd consider a Crossfire - but that's about it. Thats really a SLK with a custom skinjob IIRC. -j. Yep- just recycled the chassis and shipped it w/new skin to Chrysler dealers who cannot and/or don't know how to fix the things and a supposed DCX mandate that MB dealers can't service them. Sounds like LOTS of fun to me. If you liked 'Merican cars from the 70's that you sat down low in with high belt lines and cheap plastic everywhere, you'll love the Magnum/Charger/300's. The Magnums are big cars with practically no cargo utility- its all about the styling. Tony Wirtel Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] Ball Joint Replacement
On my TD that precision tool was a BF mallet, a vise, and my calibrated hand/arm combo. --T Peter Frederick wrote: > The main reason for not changing the ball joint alone is that the > control arm bushings are often gone as well, and replacing them is > problematic (they are swaged in place with a precision tool), and by > the time to figure in the time and effort, a new control arm is cheaper > and it has a new ball joint in it. > > Peter > A big vise, stout bench, 4 lb hammer and the loaner tool from AutoZone worked for me- barely. Heat from a little propane torch I used might have helped somewhat. Time spent for both side was about 12 hours, including upper control arm to torsion bar bushing replacements that a previous indy had butchered last year. FWIW, the local dealer here gets $800-900 for this job. By the time I bought some tools, it cost about $100 so I think I came out ahead- plus, I'd never done ball joints on one of these and wanted to try it. Tony Wirtel '85 300sd, 92 300e
Re: [MBZ] Emailing: PICT0001, PICT0002, PICT0003, PICT0004,
Did anyone mention the wheels are from a 201/124 chassis car and are about an inch too narrow? Those poor tires look like they're ready to roll off the rim at the first curve. Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] Maryland inspections/registration
Tom- Yea but...if you compare inspection in PA to NY, NY is a joke. At least that was the case when I was there 6 years ago. On the flip side, inspection in NJ has just been made even less stringent than it already was...coming soon, cracked headlights/lenses and bad license plate bulbs are no longer cause for failure. But you do have to go to one of a limited number of state-run facilities to get the rubber glove treatment. Tony Wirtel > > Here in the great state of Alabama, we have no vehicle inspection & we > have > no smog testing. We also have very little rust & almost no snow. > > But I understand the plight of those of you in the "poor states". I'm from > just south of Buffalo, NY & I remember the pains of both. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924
[MBZ] W126 turn signals don't cancel- fix or replace?
Wondering if this can be fixed- it looks like there is a cam on the steering column shaft thats supposed to trip something on the switch that isn't there. Darned junk plastics failing after 21 years! Tony wirtel '85 300sd
Re: [MBZ] swiss invasions
on 3/10/07 17:05, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > illegals and incorrigibles roam the streets with impunity as the > government workers stand helpless at the donut shop while a trail of > blood is left and you guys worry about whether some ancient dude who > burns veggie is getting over on you for a couple of bucks on his fair > share of "paying for the road" As someone else used to say, NAIL HEAD BANG. This reminds me of people defending used tire disposal fees, which mostly go to anything but exploring tire recycling methodologies. And NO ONE picked up the irony of a Canadian arguing against gummermint intrusions while a bunch of Americans defend it. That, as they say in the commercials is priceless. Plant a tree to mark the spot, etc. What next, the Swiss invade Spain? Mac No, but the Swiss did invade Liechtenstein last week. Liechtenstein didn't notice until the Swiss dutifully reported it to them, tho- Tony Wirtel
[MBZ] Yea or nay: '91 300D, 305k miles
Car has mucho service history and drives well, though the turbo didn't kick when I drove it BUT before starting I'd also just connected the overboost switch on the manifold that had been "mysteriously" detached. At least one glow plug is weak/out (light off before start, on about a minute after), but almost no smoke at idle even when cool, after Decent condition, but smoke silver paint has two dime-sized rust spots. Water leak from trunk lid into trunk. Shifting is only OK, but trans is probably original- thinking this might be a good candidate to re-do, 2 seconds to reverse engagement. HVAC is good but sunroof iffy. One tear in the burgundy leather. Am getting for $900 with deposit down but still could back out. How crazy would it be to buy this car? Am also starting a new job where I'll be driving 90 miles/day. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yea or nay: '91 300D, 305k miles
> > I understand it's a $900 car but he's expecting to start immediately > driving it 90 miles a day and the car may have transmission issues? > > Thanks, Tom > 256-656-1924 Tom- I should have been clearer- this will be a 4th car with three drivers, so I've got some time to shake it down locally and see if its suitable for commuter duty. You're correct that caution is needed, through! I'm curious about how it will shift with the turbo working correctly and everything warmed up. If the transmission is in bad shape, I'll wait to drive until I can do a seals and clutches rebuild. I appreciate all the comments- now to tell SWMBO! Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 squirrely rear, yet again
> > Just a thought -- y'all might want to check and see if indeed you have > some squirrels in your rear end! Those little buggers are all over the > place these days burying acorns everywhere, running across streets, > etc. They might be trying to get your rear end nuts off or something. > I got one the other day, it did not get in my rear (stayed on the street > a bit less vertically integrated), so no problems in that regard. > > Happy Halloween! > > --R Yep- after seeing hundreds of squirrels I took out the first chipmunk yesterday that I'd seen in a couple of years. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel powered planes
> Ethiopian Airlines Orders 10 Cessna 172TDs. Will Replace Older, > Avgas-Powered XP Models > > Ethiopian Airlines announced this week a contract for 10 new turbo-diesel > Skyhawks at the 2007 Dubai Air Show. > > Introduced last month at AOPA Expo > 2007, the Cessna Skyhawk TD (turbo diesel) is a new > variant of the erstwhile 172. The Skyhawk TD is powered by a 155 > horsepower Centurion 2.0 diesel engine manufactured by > Germany's Thielert Aircraft Engines Gmbh. The engine burns > JetA-1 fuel, making it a popular option in countries where avgas is > scarce. AND based on a Mercedes engine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centurion_engine At airventure 2006 the valve cover said mercedes, don't know if thats still the case. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] top 10 fave.was best benz
> Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:14:43 -0600 > From: "Kaleb C. Striplin, work" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] top 10 fave.was best benz > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > handles like what sports car? A pinto? :) > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor > Ya beat me to it. My memories of my '85 TD are of a heavy car that liked to roll and lumber more than handle, combined with 70 series tires that didn't help things. The 116 300sd I had seemed (relatively) much more nimble. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant
> > I'm guessing the patent on 134 runs out about then. > > The deal about R-12 was that Dupont could no longer control the world > supply, and therefore prices for R-12, so we had to figure out a way > to get rid of it. Dupont owns the 134 patent. Here we go again. > As said patent issues for R-12 and -134a are urban legends stuff. By the cynic wonders how someone might figure how to modify CO2 (or combo with something else) to make THAT patentable and then the lobbyists make sure that's the only permitted blend. Also: With all the trouble with using circulating 120 bar CO2 as a fluid why not just go and compress AIR, dump heat under expansion, and use THAT? I can't pretend to know anything about the efficiency, and moisture would likely be an issue. But it gets me thinking... Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ebay 300SDL with level control
Kind of an odd duck, no? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1991-Mercedes-Benz-S350-SD-Diesel-w-78k-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ180183622509QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6336QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ebay 300SDL with level control
> > What makes you think it has level control? If you are talking about the > tank under the hood, that is for the ASD. These did not have level > control, only the 560 did (US cars). > Oops. But couldn't (at least rear) level control be special ordered for the other 126 cars? I thought it could, tho' it was expensive, a hassle and thus, rare. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '02 C230 Sports Coupe
> Evidently my two remaining at home girls saw this yesterday: > > > > > > http://www.germanautoservice.com/show_auto.php?idno=58 > > > > > > They "love it". What is the story on these? Do I make my gals happy or run > away? > > > > Bob R. > > Bob: My 2 cents: Run. That's an optimistic price for a car with few buyers. In my area that money will get you a decent 1-2 year older E class , but understandably a 4 door sedan doesn't have the same appeal! The ones I've seen have all screamed cheap. One example is doors that when closed sound more like Chevy Cavalier than Mercedes, and when the door closes the outer skin flexes and shimmies worse than that POS Cavalier. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] No boost in '91 300d
I've got the 300d home and found that the transmission needs a rebuild as expected, but also that I don't have boost. What I know: - Tracing vacuum diagrams I found that the EGR and recirc flap control have already been BB'ed at the vacuum source - Turbo seems to turn freely. Some oil in the intake but nothing big. - Putting pressure gauge in line between intake and ALDA see about 3 PSI, max. - With pressure to ALDA on acceleration (5-10 PSI) there isn't a jump in power from expected fuel enrichment - Putting a line direct from intake to ALDA doesn't help (something that worked on another car) - Applying pressure to the ALDA shows minimal leakage - EGR has a plate covering the port - Turbo overpressure rod moves freely - Car doe not appear to have a cat/trap in the exhaust system - OVP is OK This car has a LOT more going on than the last car I had a no-boost problem with. On that, a 300sdl, jumping a failed switchover valve fixed it. This car has at least 2 more vacuum/pressure control pots, a mass air flow sensor, and a boost sensor near the battery. I'm not familiar with any of these, and the service CD's are at best spotty with coverage. My questions: - With the added systems is there an electrical element added to the injection pump that would prevent enrichment when jumpering the intake to ALDA? - Does anyone have a used Garrett TB025 turbo if mine proves bad - Anywhere else I should be looking? Thanks! Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No boost in '91 300d
The only way to get the car running like it > should is go to thru the 170 some page diagnostic procedure on the CD. Have > fun!! > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor THAT is what I was afraid of! Oh well, better me than the indy who put that BB there in the first place. I'd hoped that with bypassing EVERYTHING- going straight from the intake manifold to the ALDA, given that the vacuum transducers had already had vacuum supply cut off- it would work like an olde-fashioned, purely mechanical system. With the looking I didn't see how the electronics would still regulate fuel enrichment, unless theres something integrated into the pump I can't see or elsewhere that I just don't understand. So tonight, a good read of the diagnostics in front of the football game. Too bad I don't have a fireplace anymore and I'm out of scotch... Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No boost in '91 300d
> > Tony, > > Marshall (MHRIP) would have told you to not assume the transmission is bad > until you have the engine performing as designed. The power produced by the > engine will affect the position of the throttle, hence the shifting firmness > and also the shift timing. > > Some time in the 90s, it became a no-no to tamper with the EGR on the turbo > diesels as the computer would know, and lock out the boost, or fuel, somehow. > Basically go into non boosted configuration. > You should pin that down! > > Did you change all the fuel filters? Also try driving without the fuel > filler cap on the tank, in case it is not venting properly. > > I have a very nice Garrett from an 87 603 engine, but it is marked TBO 359. > Photos available. $275, no core required. > > Regards, > > Jim Friesen > Phoenix AZ > 79 300SD, 264 K miles > 98 ML 320, 152 K miles > Jim, I've been playing with this car for about a week here and there, and ya know after being on this and the R/E list for some time now I've caught myself thinking a bunch of times "don't assume; think it through- what would Marshall say here with what I have (or DON'T have) in front of me?" Last weekend when I was playing with this the thought came to mind that Marshall would know what to do here, and I instinctively thought to post and ask. But since we haven't heard much, I assumed that he was dealing with something more important with some sense that it wasn't good. But we have his example of being a teacher, of methodically assessing and evaluating a problem to a logical conclusion, at least most of the time. And we will still miss him. Anyway, on the transmission: There can be 4-5 seconds delay to get to reverse, and even then I've sensed a slight slip once. When in drive I don't get the slamming I think I should with the vacuum disconnected- shifts are firmer, but probably not as firm as they should be. Also the info I have is that at 305k miles the transmission has never been out of the car. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] No boost in '91 300d/ early results
a HA! With a direct connection between the ALDA and intake, and controlled vacuum applied to the turbo control valve via mity vac in car, the turbo IS alive and the car pulls much better. Limited test to two runs of 5 seconds each and 18" vacuum. Won't know how healthy the car really is until getting things done by the local indy reset to original configuration. Initial thoughts of going the "easy" way- monitoring EGT and limiting pressure to the ALDA through a regulator- not only brought back the your PISTONS will MELT post but of everything else der Doktor would have said, starting with a stern reminder to consider what I THINK I know vs what the teams of Mercedes engineers who designed the engine ACTUALLY knew when they did the work! Will post when finally fixed. Thank You to all! Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
> > On Dec 5, 2007 9:30 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It will use the MB 3 litre turbocharged CDI V6, an all aluminum engine, > >producing 367 ft-lbs of torque.? > > Seems like the sale of Chrysler to Cerberus would have aborted this plan. > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. Alex- the TD grand cherokees are out there, just not that many. In Chrysler's thinking b/c its a diesel it has to be marked up as a ~ 5k "option"; by the time you get to the bottom of the window sticker you have a price thats up with the gen-u-ine article MB's. Saw one at a local dealer here in the late Summer. And just think of how much fun it would be to get serviced. I've heard stories about Crossfire (rebodied, previous-generation SLK) customers- dealers who don't know a thing about them. Go to a MB dealer and there is a rumor that MB dealers aren't to touch them. Now, take the completely foreign diesel plopped into a Jeep and see what fun dealers will have with figuring those out. Tony Wirtel 92 300e, 91 300d, others ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Testing vacuum transducers
I've searched through the service CD but thus far haven't found a test method for vacuum transducers. These are the black units used to control things like EGR, intake vacuum flaps, and turbo pressure. According to info I've found these were used in 201, 124 and 126 diesels from at least 1986-1991. Thanks! Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic levelling device
Wasn't the OEM (someone like BOGE) pressured to stop selling them so MB could mark them up more? This far out there can't possibly be any IP issues but then again, it would be a small market in any case. A former '67 230s (110 or 111) had a bad one. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Toyota/Mercedes hoods
> > Looks like where getting ripped off on the price of Mercs over here, not > that I am in the market for one of the new plastic fantastics. > I suppose the bonnets are sealed and can only be opened by a certified > technician with a special tool. > Also loved ones don't let loved ones drive death traps like the corolla. > No, not exactly sealed, but when one pulls the hood release a warning comes on the display that sez "Warning: There be Dragons under there; Return to Dealer." Tony Wirtel 2 x w124's ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Climate Control 1980 300D
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Climate Control 1980 300D > > I am going to disconnect the foam tube and see if it will work on > > different temp settings. What is going on with that tube is it a > > vacuum to draw air in slightly from the cabin? > > Exactly. The 124/126 use aspirator motors, others just > tap the suck side of the main blower. (Not sure about > the 201.) If either side is disconnected, due to jostling > or foam rot, cabin temperature regulation goes all to hell. > > -- Jim I've had success with cleaning and applying ATF to get one of these working again- this on a w126 300sd. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123
> > Besides being pretty, it's nice and safe too with those added crumple zones. > lol > > Ed > 300E Yeah- I saw South Carolina plates; I perhaps no inspection mechanism there? Here in Pennsylvania you'd be having uncomfortable conversations with law enforcement, quickly. Tony Wirtel Coupla w124s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Kaleb- Parts?
Let me know if you still have the w124 trunk latch and vacuum transducer valve- I need to get this rolling, soon. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] QANTAS dive
> > In case anyone believes laptops and such can interfere with flight controls: > > > QANTAS DIVE TRACED TO COMPUTER GLITCH > The abrupt dive of a Qantas A330-300 last week that injured scores of > passengers wasn't caused by a passenger's electronic device, but by an > internal > breakdown in the Airbus's flight-control computer system, the Australian > Transport > Safety Bureau said on Tuesday. The aircraft was flying at FL 370 en route from > Singapore to Perth when the Inertial Reference System malfunctioned, which > resulted in the autopilot automatically disconnecting, the ATSB said. However, > the faulty unit continued to feed false information to the flight-control > computers, which even with autopilot off, still command the control surfaces. > Very > high, random and incorrect values of the angle of attack led the computers to > command a nose-down aircraft movement. The crew was able to recover within > seconds, with a maximum altitude loss of 650 feet and a maximum pitch down of > about 8.5 degrees, the ATSB said. Airbus told the ATSB it has never heard of a > similar malfunction, but all operators of aircraft that use the system have > been > informed of the incident and provided guidance for a crew response to > minimize the effect of any similar failure. The ATSB said its investigation is > continuing. > > RLE Hope the next similar Airbus "glitch" doesn't occur at 600 ft AGL. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Interesting engine
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Interesting engine > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hey you guys are like encyclopedias, I think you are right -- it was > sorta missing on some strokes, I guess it did not need to fire on them. > Cool. > > When I was a kid my dad would go and take me every year to a gathering > of old steam engines. Lots of old farts in funny hats and bibs fussing > with the things while they chuffed and made very loud dangerous sounds > (the engines, not the old farts, though some of them let fly some choice > words occasionally).. I loved it. > > --R > Rich- If you enjoyed that then, you'd love this place http://www.roughandtumble.org/rt-albums/rt-2007_reun/rt_photo_2007_reun.asp The museum is close to Lancaster, PA and about 60 miles of Philadelphia. We went there in August and saw so much big steam equipment like http://www.roughandtumble.org/rt-albums/rt-2007_reun/c/4764rt_2007_1_040.asp#Photo that we got numb to it. And about 50 or so hit-and-miss engines of various power and design, some standalone, some as a piece of equipment like this saw http://www.roughandtumble.org/rt-albums/rt-2007_reun/c/5518rt_2007_2_259.asp#Photo Wonder what OSHA would saw about this little marvel today... Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)
> > With Mobil 1 15W-50 now in the crankcase (and the car well warmed up), the > oil pressure needle sits at 2.5 (very little bouncing) at idle. Don- I used Delo 400 for a change in my '92 300e and went through something similar; replaced with Delvac 1300 and pressure was back to normal. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carfax/ 454 milage
> > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:45:43 -0600 > From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carfax > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > with a 350 12, with a 454, 6-8 > Ouch- we have a 26' box truck with a 454, and that thing will do 6-7 MPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] E420 problems
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] E420 problems >> >> 3. When first driven when cold, the transmission won't shift from 1 to 2 >> unless the engine is revved above 3,000 RPM. I'd rather not have to >> make it go that fast immediately and would prefer the trailing-throttle >> upshifts it does after it's been driven a little while. > If like my '92 300e there is a switchover valve above the brake booster. For testing purposes, you can unplug this and see if the 1st gear hold is temporarily disabled. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.6/2.8
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.6/2.8 > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >> ...It's a M104 2.8L. Hendrik.. >> > So says the description, but the trunk lid number is 2.6. The 300E 2.6 is an > M103 153HP stripper 300E whereas the 300E 2.8 is a 194HP M104. > > RLE Yep- I've got a '92 300e/2.6, and while I'd have preferred a '93 2.8 service records sold me on my car. If all other things are equal, get the 2.8 (starts in '93) or better yet, 94/95 3.2 but be aware of the biodegradable engine wiring harnesses. The 2.6 is a decent car, but gutless. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] GM downsizing
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car buying Calculus was Re: OT 87 Isuzu trooper > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Wow so some places will have an awful surplus of Chevy dealers? > > Mac not for long. Plan is to drop another ~ 20 % of dealers, mostly in more populated areas. Local Chevy dealer had a full front and back lot last week; yesterday it was EMPTY. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] atomic SOMETHING
Brought to you by Ebay, a Show Car... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Unique-1977-Ford-Mustang-II-Show-Car_W0QQitemZ160137678977QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6236QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I thought these got crushed long ago. Especially in colors like those. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: More HF Must Have Tools
> > This one just arrived. Got a powder coating device for $50 and a bunch > of other random useful stuff cheap. Some of this stuff, for occasional > use when you need it, is OK. The blood from the prisoners washes off > pretty easily. > > --R Rich: Remember, they're NOT political prisoners- they are happy Falun Gong volunteers being re-educated through labor for the greater glory of the state. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] i'm going insane
> > > My 2.5 turbo sold on ebay, WAY TOO CHEAP. Geez. As cheap as it went, I > > cant believe somebody here didnt buy it. Now THAT is insane. > > You're right, $3,755.00 is cheap. > > > Craig Local dealer had a 2.5 turbo 124 that for about the same, but without the rash and a bit higher miles (I think 270k). Was listed at ~3,500 and gone within a week. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ph.D.'s
> > That all depends if you are doing your doctorate in something you really > love and there is a need for. It's a big mountain to climb and unless > you really love doing IT stuff, you may not make it. > My Uncle did a PhD in toxicology with emphasis on the blue ring octopus. > >From memory he was in his fifties (I think he started it in his > thirties) when he finally presented his paper, however he did it before > they started changing the Unis to make them more profit orientated. One of the factors that drove me to stop at a masters was a comment by a wise department head I was talking to. He said that he regrets the shift in academic research (at least in engineering) to grant driven projects; said that once upon a time a PhD was about a building a strong mind, whereas now it was simply a matter of having a strong back. That said, at the conclusion of my masters defense this May one of my committee members asked me (and my advisor) why the work I presented wasn't a for a Ph.D.! I have no regrets, though. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] handguns & the & now flavored H20
> Pete Arnold > > New Rule: There's no such thing as flavored water. There's a whole > aisle of this crap at the supermarket - water, but without that watery > taste. Sorry, but flavored water is called a soft drink, or juice. > You want flavored water? Pour some Maker's Mark over ice and let it > melt. That's my flavored water. Amen! > And the choir sang with gusto, A- MEN! Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate
> > Do you think there's much danger of Australia eventually falling under the > domination of China? I've read that there is quite a bit of Chinese > immigration. > Gerry > Domination in what regard? In terms of immigration, there is typically a mixing with the host. People go somewhere else to better themselves and/or future generations; there is a blending, assimilation and (I'd say) an enrichment of the culture as a whole. But how about economic domination? There is so much US debt (and currency) held by China that the US is already under the influence of Beijing. And our consumer markets are certainly reliant on (one might even say addicted to) China for cheap goods. At least for now. It is eye opening to see a government predicated on centralized planning and control attempt to ride the rodeo bull that is the Chinese economy. There are 1+ billion people aspiring to a Western standard of living and consumption that this one planet most likely doesn't have the resources to support, at least if fueled by energy supplied by fossil fuels. And most of those 1+ billion aspire to drive Buicks! Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels in Nascar
> > I think they are. I know little about NASCAR, so I might not have the > particulars correct, but I do think that the fuel (ethanol I believe), > the engine displacement, carburetors, etc. are all very tightly > controlled so as to make all the cars nearly equal in terms of engine > performance. Allan- I fall into the same camp of NASCAR knowledge. But I do dimly recall in my "yout" seeing Richard Petty in some of his last races, which took place in cars I could recognize from street versions. With first the replacement of cars by "skins" on tube-frame versions and now the "Car of Tomorrow" exactly what on a "stock" car today might even POSSIBLY appear on a car that you might find on the street? I sure don't see anything beyond the stickers. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M103 vs OM603 vs OM617: Help me decide
> Nice but breathless, lousy milage from too small an engine. > > The SDL is a better buy IF it has a new head. I've never heard of > anyone successfully welding those up. > > New head will be good for about 300,000 more miles. > > Peter I had a 300sd and 300e and side by side and in daily driving preferred the performance of the sd. If you have any hills, the 617 pulls better. For the same peformance the 103 is shifting more often to get into a powerband that isn't that great to begin with- and this is in a 124 chassis car. The 126 is heavier, but not by a huge amount. 420's and 560's can be had for dirt cheap now, and the mileage difference isn't great. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D manny
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-190-Series-1987-Mercedes-190D-Diesel-2-5-with-Rare-5-speed-Manual_W0QQitemZ220153666396QQihZ012QQcategoryZ6328QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK With SAAB seats? The whole interior is a Frankenstein exercise- thankfully, no shag carpet. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Getting taken by mechanic currently
> > How does this sound to y'all? > > About $750 dollars to replace the alternator, and the tensioner pulley > and its shock. > > and about $160 to replace the thermostat. > > The alternator the guy wants to sell me is some $350. > > He won't accept outside parts. > > Is this price what I should expect? > > Anybody want to buy an 87 190D? > > Brian > I can't remember where the alternator was on my 603 300sdl (that's assuming they're similar) but on the tensioner, you should be able to replace it from the top with nothing more than the tools in the trunk. This I learned when the car began to shred its belt about 1/2 mile from the dealer. Considerate old girl, she was. Now- the tensioner on a 103 motor car- a whole different kettle of fish. TOny Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel values still inflated?
> > Mine is for sale! :) But at this point we are trying to take advantage > of the inflated market, and get a price for it that I'm sure most > listers would balk at. > > Brian > 87 190D > 83 240D Is the market still as inflated (or at least as hyper-inflated) as it was say a year ago? I'm seeing cars at much lower prices than last year. Many have scars from "free fuel" people dumping in straight waste oil, and given cars showing 20+ years of wear and aging there is simply little real value left. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 tumbler close call!
Wilton, Congratulations on getting the tumbler out! One thing I've learned the hard way (and this only applies IF the steering lock on the W124 is made in the same way as the 123/126) is that after replacing a tumbler on two cars, I had a steering lock problem soon after. With my cars it was really the lock that was at issue, and the tumbler mechanism was secondary. That said, replacing the tumbler on both cars was due in any case. Tony Wirtel '92 300e, former 300TD and 300sdl ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W115 Chicago CL
> > unless you can fashion some 12v 120mm computer fans to suck hot air > through the vents > > involves removing the console and messing around under the dash. > Otherwise you remove the dash and anything remotely attached to the > front end of the cabin. > > clay Local Best Buy had some fans on clearance fans for $1.99. Got two "just because." Best part is a neat glowing blue LED in center to complement the rest of your 115's bling. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't mess with Grandma!
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 06:05:50 -0700 > From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don't mess with Grandma! > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > If you're going to have a Senior Moment, make it a memorable one! > > Humph. If you're going to have a _car_, make it a memorable one! > > -- Jim > Jim: Have you seen the recent GM ads for the new Malibu? Theme is that its the "cure" for the blend-into-the-background anonymous car blues. Key prop is a ~ 10 year old Olds Cutlass that gets unnoticed in dramatic ways. I wonder if they realize that with different trim that WAS the old malibu. Then again, perhaps that is the point... Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] (No MB) Safety- Olde big car vs. new small car, buying used rentals
Not directly MB related, but many of us (myself included) own old Volvo wagons and the following includes a "crash test" of a Volvo wagon and a newer European small car. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123091 Really not terribly scientific, but does give some food for thought. I wish they had some basic sensors and telemetry on the cars/test dummies. Also, taking a page from another recent discussion, there is also another video showing that purchase of a used rental car may be a "hot" idea for all the wrong reasons. One of my fraternity brothers (let's call him Walt because that's his name and the statute of limitations has expired) used to think nothing of driving down the road at speed and throwing the car in reverse saying, Let's see what happens! Wonder if computers would catch and record that kind of stuff today. Tony Wirtel '92 300e 125k mi, '92 Volvo 745t 226k, '01 Passat 102k ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (No MB) Safety- Olde big car vs. new small car
> > i'm wondering if a 240 volvo wagon would have done any better > > and as the guy says he paid roughly 1300 for the wagon, rust might have been > an issue. > > but there really is something to think about here. the primary reason i > started driving mercedes is the issue of safety. back in the day, mercedes > and volvo thought about safety while many other imports put you in a tin can > to die. i've been in 2 big accidents in my life and am happy that both were > in substantial older cars (82 caprice and 72 220D). i had many times > thought of going cheap and new into some kind of geo metro/ford festiva > class of vehicle and am glad i never did on account of crash safety > concerns. > > however, it is not implausible that the combination of automotive engineers > and government stooges have done something right and have now made > "ordinary" cars crashworthy. i generally simply presume all such government > collaborative efforts are doomed to failure, but it is possible they got it > right for once. Gary- On rust I've got a rust free 92 740 wagon that identical to the one crashed, except for a couple of trim pieces. After living its life in the Northeast there is no rust, even where the PO ran over a log and exposed either primer or galvanized metal on the rocker panels 4+ years ago. I don't THINK that rust was likely a factor on the 740. The 240 is a different kettle of fish; I've seen them rust in ways that would think the740 and 240 were built by different companies. One difference in US volvos is that by '90 I think they all had at least a driver airbag; my '92 does. Gov't may have influenced better safety, but public demand has made it happen. When people see on Dateline that some cars crumple in bang-you're-dead ways and some don't, it has an effect. If you go to the IHS site they've got info for 10+ years and the improvement in crash performance is remarkable. I personally think the combo of TV/internet showing IIHS offset testing and the desire of people to survive anything (witness the soccer mom's ginormous SUV) have played a bigger part. After people have seen it, enough want better to make it worthwhile then its the marketing weanies job to go sell it. My 0.02 anyway. Tony Wirtel A bunch of old cars that maybe aren't as safe as I'd like to think. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 602 head
What do new 602/603 heads go for? My recollection (for a 603 at least) was in the same ballpark. Of course, that was before the euro went nuts. Tony Wirtel > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 602 head > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 > > No, but I have a "cracked" 603 > > Luther > > On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:42:54 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > anybody need a 602 head? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-cyl-head-2-5-90-91-92-93-Mercedes-Benz-cylinder-head-300D-2-5_W0QQitemZ220164125693QQihZ012QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > > > > > --- > > Kaleb C. Striplin > > Cox Auto Trader > > 730 FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay sucks
> > So I've been looking for a 1999 S500 for my wife and I win the bid on > > one yesterday: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=280192872719&rd=1 > > I pay for a CarFax - It's clean, so I PayPal the guy $500 for a > > deposit and email the guy to set up a time to go get it. > > He emails back a bit later saying he sold the car to someone else and > > refunds my deposit. > > > > I'm way pissed. Do I have any recourse? > > > > -Dave Walton Reading the ad the guy sez that its relisted b/c original winner couldn't execute quickly, implying that that person is some kind of jerk for not playing fair and THEN sells it out from under you as the high bidder? Bogus. I'd guess there are ways to make this more difficult for the seller, but would probably be twice the hassle for you and that in the end negative feedback is all you've got. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Transmission modulator questions
Hello list- Got a replacement modulator for my '91 300D from Rusty and have a few questions. 1) This is the updated modulator with a different setting mechanism but NO tee. I assume I need to transfer the tee from old to new? 2) The new modulator leaks down from 20 to 15" vacuum in about 1.5 seconds. It should hold vacuum, no? Also tested my mity vac and while seals aren't perfect my finger at the end of the tube holds from 20 to 15" in about 9 seconds. When the modulator is connected I have to pump vigorously just to get to 20". 3) The new modulator requires use of an "updated" pin (p/n 126 277 93 75) which I got. Question is this: The modulator comes with what looks like a two piece pin, with a pin thats removable from the piston. The required pin 126 277 93 75 is single piece and it APPEARS that the piston piece should be pulled from the modulator. Is this correct? Any insights are helpful; I called and Tom didn't have any info for these. Thanks! Tony Wirtel '91 300d ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Transmission modulator replacement
Hello list- Got a replacement modulator for my '91 300D from Rusty: The new modulator requires use of an "updated" pin (p/n 126 277 93 75) which I got. Question is this: The modulator comes with what looks like a two piece pin, with a pin thats removable from the piston. The required pin 126 277 93 75 is single piece and it APPEARS that the piston piece should be pulled from the modulator. Is this correct? I can't get it out of the bore with reasonable force. Any insights are helpful; I called and Tom didn't have any info for these. Thanks! Tony Wirtel '91 300d ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Debit cards
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Debit cards [was Re: W220 rust] > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 24/02/2008, Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I use a credit card but pay my bill off every month. > > > > In the credit card industry, a person doing thsi is known as a "deadbeat"! > What does that tell you about them? > > Zedic If any question, read this- http://www.forbes.com/2008/02/15/credit-cards-banking-biz-wall-cx_lm_0215badcards.html?feed=rss_popstories Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '86 SDL tranny leak
> > > http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm#transmission > > 41mm 6 point socket? > > No, I don't think so. I think it's one of the 30mm 12-point > jobs. (I don't have one.) > > -- Jim > > At least on my '91 300d its a 12 point nut. While (I think) its nominally a 30mm bolt, my 30mm 1/2 drive 12 point socket wasn't deep enough- I ended up using a 3/4 drive 12 point 'Merican socket (I think its 1 3/16, can check tonight if you want) that my Dad had in his box. I always wondered why- might be usable on old Bug rear wheels or something like that. The nut is peened over at one point as well- Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
> You must have lifted your foot -- the engine will race otherwise. If > you were coasting, it might have dropped, but with the CC it should > have raced the engine. > > The speedometer dropping to zero might indicate that the drive gear > failed, but it should keep reading if the driveline is turning as the > car rolled, unless you sheared a flex disk or snapped a pinion gear. > > You need to examine the driveline for damage, and check to make sure > the bolts that hold the torque convertor to the flywheel are intact > (although they usually make a racket when they break off). Check the > shifter bushings and link to make sure it didn't fall off (it > happens) leaving the shift lever unconnected to the transmission. > > Otherwise, the most likely thing is a sheared pump drive. No pump, no > pressure, no pressure no clutch engagement, it's in neutral and will > stay there. > > Peter Peter- I was thinking along the same lines. But this car has a second pump at the rear, so there would still be pressure to operate the transmission although if the torque converter bolt went theres no power to transmit from the engine. When it went wonky did the speedo go to zero immediately or as you slowed to a stop? IF the converter bolts went it should be easy to see, but you need the car up in the air to find out- with the car up and the engine running, the converter would be stationary when viewed from underneath through the same cutout you drain the converter from. When at idle is it at regular idle speed or does it seem slower than usual? Does running the AC really lug it? If not, then the OVP is fine (I'm pretty sure you lose the tach w/o the OPV). Other than that, I can't connect these dots! In any case you'll need to get underneath; would also be good to check for operating and modulator pressures. Another thing (grasping at straws) is perhaps the filter is plugged and theres no fluid being drawn? Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
> > From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Oil companies should be nationalized and run by the federal government, > > with all excess income going to fund programs. That ought to make > > things better. > > > > --R > > > > Rich > > That's been done in several countries. Mexico comes to mind. Lots of > oil available, but after years of quasi-governmental control they've > been importing- especially in refined fuels. > > Venezuela? Take a look at their recent production trends. Russia has > also been active in re-appropriating oil fields, and they've also seen > production stagnate with their former "partners" gone. > > Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 29, Issue 141
> > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:37:28 -0500 > From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Oil companies should be nationalized and run by the federal government, > with all excess income going to fund programs. That ought to make > things better. > > --R > Rich That's been done in several countries. Mexico comes to mind. Lots of oil available, but after years of quasi-governmental control they've been importing- especially in refined fuels. Venezuela? Take a look at their recent production trends. Russia has also been active in re-appropriating oil fields, and they've also seen production stagnate with their former "partners" gone. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trans R&R shade-tree style
> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:00:04 -0400 > From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] trans R&R shade-tree style > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm thinking I'd put my ramps on doubled 2x12s to gain an extra 3", > drive the front onto the ramps, then jack up the back and put it > on a pair of those big truck jack stands. If the drive isn't concrete, > I'd put the stands on 2x12 for stability. > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=38847 > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=34924 > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=39178 > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=3185 > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=95640 > > Luther wrote: > > > > I'm thinking I need about 2' of clearance under the engine to squeeze > > the tranny > > in and out. Maybe those leftover 2x12s that I have will work when stacked > and > > screwed together. > > > > -- > > Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark Luther: I did my 300d (w124) w/the 6 ton stands (4 of them, under still sound lifting pads, front higher than rear) and the 800lb jack above. With the stands about 3/4 up and the jack down and plate tilted forward a bit to lower the bell housing I cleared by about 1/2 inch. Don't screw w/the scissors jack; not worth the hassles (800lb one much more stable and adjustability saves time and grief). can always sell the jack when done! Personally I don't like ramps. Would advise against wood as replacement for jack stands. If using wood at least bolt together- screws break WAY too easily. While you're in there- great time to replace the rear main seal. Are you putting in a reman/junkyard tranny or DIY rebuild? The rebuild isn't as hard as it might sound! Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 Front Seat Sag Fix
> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:29:53 -0400 > From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 Front Seat Sag Fix > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yes, I have tired various kinds of stuffing over the years on 123 seat > bottoms . Only real fix is new spring frame-and since you are at it put a > new pad on -only about 90 dollars from Rusty. > FWIW > Dwight > > Dwight E. Giles, Jr. > 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. > 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles > 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. > Wickford, RI Dwight, I did a pad and frame renewal on a 123 about 6 years ago; I think prices are MUCH higher now! Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] trans output flange nut
> > > What size is the nut on the rear output shaft flange deal? Is it 30mm > > 12pt or some special size? Looked locally and closest I can find are > > some SAE sizes. What would the equivelant sae size be, if any? Bought > > a 1 1/4 I believe and it would not work, a hair too big I think > > 30 > 30 mm is = 1.181 inch > 25.4 > > > 1-3/16 inch = 1.187 inch, a lot closer than 1-1/4. > > > Craig Craig, Kaleb- I used a 1 3/16 12 point but unless you've got a deep socket you may not get to the nut- there is a centering shaft that is > 1/2". . I used a 3/4" drive socket with success. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - "Sluggo" 1985 300CD
Andrew- Having recently been in and through the transmission of my '91 300d I can GUARANTEE there are other parts and seals ready for replacement. Many (but not all) o-rings were so brittle that they broke on removal. At minimum, with the pump out you're 90% of the labor time/cost to go in all the way and replace the clutches and at least examine the bands for condition. On my car (with 306k miles) many of the friction discs still has visible printing on them, but there were three (two in the reverse K2 pack and one in K1) that were breaking down and worn to the point where there were significant delays going into gear (~ 5-7 seconds reverse, 2-3 forward). And this was in a car thats "only" 17 years old! If your indy is good at these (they're not hard, just have to be precise and work in a clean environment) the $600 differential is a bargain. If the trans needs ANYTHING else it'll be close to $600 just for R&R! That said, with the problem you describe if you do go the indy route make sure he is aware of the process to drill out rivets and then tap/replace with screws to renew one of the seals. I can't remember when the change to rivets occurred, so your car may be easier, but if there is an identified pump issue this is one definite area to attend to. With all of that said, did the dealer tell you what the working pressures were at? Tony WIrtel w124 300d, 300e > > Too late - like I say, the dealer's cappuccino rocks... > > We'll see how much time this simple replacement buys us. She only drives > about 5k miles/year. > > On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 8:46 PM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If the pump is worn enough to not generate enough pressures, I suspect >> that most other parts are similarly worn. At that price, I would not >> stop at changing the pump. I'd do as the others have suggested - buy a >> rebuilt from Rusty and have it installed. >> >> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:37 AM, andrew strasfogel >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Hey stay focussed! This is NOT about either Clinton. >> > >> > Upon more rigorous road testing, the dealer ascertained that car still >> > refused to shift into 4th gear despite the linkage adjustment. Further >> shop >> > testing diagnosed the front tranmission pump was leaking (internally), >> > thereby preventing adequate pressure to get the car to shift into >> fourth. >> > They claim that replacing the pump ($1300) will solve the problem. This >> is >> > "cheaper" than a rebuild ($1900 at an indy shop) and way cheaper than >> > installing a factory rebuilt transmission ($4500). >> > Any advice or comment? SWMBO is leaning toward having them replace the >> > pump. >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - "Sluggo" 1985 300CD
> > Tony, > What sort of pressures should they be? Andrew, Will send some info directly- Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SOS - "Sluggo" 1985 300CD
> Hey Tony, >As someone who also owns a 91 300D I was happy to hear how your 300 is > doing! At 150k miles I can look forward to many more miles of happy > motoring! I use Mobil 1 ATF and it shifts so smoothly I cannot feel it > unless I really try to detech the shifts. Same for all other systems. Now > that I hear you have 300k+ and things are still holding together well it > makes me think this might be the best MB we've owned. Sounds like the > clutch packs were on the way out in your tranny - > >One question, how hard would you say the tranny was to rebuild?? Maybe > on a scale ot > >My '91 had low miles when I bought her in Jan 06 at just 99k miles. It > just keeps getting better - it's got to be one of my favorite MBs! > >Thx for the info - > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) Larry, I've not driven another w124 chassis diesel, but compared to yours I'd guess the shifts on mine are more firm. Personally, I prefer it that way! For degree of difficulty its a matter of keeping clean, having lots of work space that won't mind exposure to ATF, some good documentation and keeping good track of the process. Take your time and keep things organized. I did mine when my wife and kids were out of town for a long weekend and could completely focus on the job. On a scale of 1-10 with 1 being 123 chassis brake pads, I'd guess this is a 7? That comes from experience with a bunch of other areas on these cars. In the last year I've done rear subframe mounts, ball joints, spring replacement and head gasket replacement on my M103 car. Compared to things like subframe mounts the transmission could be considered easier, as the work is straightforward, at least as compared to removing the old mounts! Having some decent tools is a great help. If you can't get the transmission out safely nothing else matters! I bought a transmission jack with a tilting table deck to make alignment a non issue and some 6 ton jack stands to get good clearance of the transmission once its down. While I thought the transmission jack would be a one time thing, I've found its great to lift my riding mower and I'm sure I'll find other uses as well. Now back together this car has impressed me. For some reason the 300d rides better than the 300e, and the D is a more relaxed driver with the available torque. I just might sell both and get a newer wagon, who knows. But it sure is an enjoyable car to drive. I also just found out that the ALDA still has the original cap; I think it would be even nicer adjusted ~ 1/2 turn CCW! Tony Wirtel '91 300d, '92 300e/2.6 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Civic
Sunil, If gas keeps edging up my gut is on the high of the numbers. Heck, read this for yourself...$7,300 for a 12 year old Metro... http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/05/20/geo.metro/index.html?iref=newssearch Tony Wirtel '91 300d w/crazy high miles for sale ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Horrible noise - And the WINNER IS ....
> This is why our '90 300D 2.5 is named "Rattled" - as in past tense. > One motor mount was totally collapsed when I bought it - wife was > certain that I was out of my mind for trading good money for a car > that made that kind of racket. She's amazed at how nice it is with new > mounts. > >> amazingly quieter when the engine mounts and the frame are >> not in direct contact. > Trashed motor mounts were the first thing I replaced in my just-departed '91 300D. Nice and easy, with near-instant payback. But for rewards its hard to beat a transmission rebuild with everything working well after the pressures are dialed in right! Tony Wirtel '91 300e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Mixing 87 and 93 octane
>> Well, I think we'll be trying that! I just always figured >> it'd react like that 250C: badly. > > Last time I topped off the 16v, I pumped 5 gallons of 93 octane, then finished > with 6 gallons of 87, which gave me a mix of about 70% premium. No ping > noticed > so far. Getting near half a tank again, I'll probably lower the premium > content > to 60% today and see what happens. > Mitch: Have tried that successfully with my 300E, ~ 9 gal 87 and 6 of 93. Saves about $2-3 tank compared to using mid-grade ane net octane is higher. Takes less than 2 extra minutes. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mixing 87 and 93 octane
> > Some stations (Sonoco?) used to have pumps that allowed you to select the > exact octane you wanted with a lever. In the background, the pump dispensed > a mix of super premium & regular based on the lever setting. > > The 102 octane leaded racing gas I mix with regular works better in my > Corvette! > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > Tom, The stations here have button selectors that mix 93 and 87 internally to dispense 89. I "mix" to get 89 or better octane at lower cost. In my area, regular, mid and premium are about 4.09, 4.29 and 4.42, respectively. If the pricing was applied linearly, 89 would not be 4.29 but instead about 4.20 instead. Saves about $2/tank and takes less than two minutes more time. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: sandblasting, and Sears is the new Harbor Freight
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: sandblasting, and Sears is the new Harbor >Freight > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Tom Hargrave wrote: >> Sears has sold products that were made overseas for a lot longer than you >> realize. Tom- After buying two different saws from Sears I've come to the conclusion that if I'd normally consider Sears I might as well get it from HF. IN GENERAL a lot cheaper, about the same quality, and a lot less gnashing of teeth when it breaks sooner than expected. That said I tend to buy "keeper" things from estate sales and such. Craigslist is a great source. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Midnight on the dash 24/7
> > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:34:20 -0500 > From: Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Midnight on the dash 24/7 > There was some fellow name James, I believe, who was on this (or > mbz.org?) list a few years back who retrofitted his with LEDs. > He liked the results. I believe he replaced the lightpipes with > wires and put the LEDs out at the end. The rheostat will > probably not dim the lights much because the LEDs will draw a > lot less power. > > -- Philip I resemble that! http://www.mbz.org/articles/interior/dashlights/ Could use a good re-write, though. When I did mine I tried foil first, but wanted more so went with LEDs. Good news is that white LEDs are now more white, readily available and cheaper to boot. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Airbus retaining wall crash
Also- a/c was a "pedestrian" A340 rather than A380. Happened in November. Tony WIrtel > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: THE TALE OF THE ARAB FLIGHT CREW > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > No secret about this - it's posted in a number of public forums. > > http://airlineworld.wordpress.com/2007/11/16/etihad-airbus-slams-into-wall-while-engine-testing/ > > Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] stupid tranmission
> Subject: [MBZ] stupid tranmission > To: mercedes Mailing List > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > So I have spent all weekend trying to pull the stupid transmission on > this 190D Im working on. Its tight but I got all the bolts out with no > problems at all. Unbolted torque converter etc, then get ready to slide > the tranny back. At this point the damn thing is about out and is just > hanging there but there is NO ROOM for it to drop all the way out. You > see, instead of the torque converter coming out with the tranny, it > stayed where it was and the tranny came out of it. Kaleb- Do what you can to get the TC back into the tranny. put the rear mount back in and pound the TC free through the access hole in the bottom of the block. Might have to rotate the TC 90-120 degrees a few times to do it. I don't think that the trans will drop with the TC in place, and having the mass of the motor free while trying to drop the trans would cause me some concern. WHen I did the rebuild on my 300d 2.5 the converter didn't fight much, but it did try to stay in place. Also FWIW I found loosening the engine mount bolts ~ 3 turns seem to help let the motor tilt a bit more. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Now SST's - was B-58
> > If I remember correctly the Russians actually put them in scheduled > service inside the USSR for a while. They were retired because they > burned too much fuel -- took a full 30 min of afterburner at full > reheat to get up to altitude and speed, and that shortened the range > too much (along with the usual Russian airplane maintenance, etc). > > The TU is pretty snaz for 1968 -- variable pitch turbofan with duct > burning reheat, and I believe variable pitch compressor first stage, > too. > > If the Ruskies could every keep their aircraft stuck together and > used rational tactics, they'd beat the pants off of us. Good thing > is that's not likely to change! The Georgians shot down at least one > Backfire bomber and a couple top of the line fighters last week. > > Peter Peter, If *I* remember correctly the Concordski burned so much fuel b/c it had to run reheat to stay over Mach 1. If you compare the design of the wings, the Concorde was more complex and that was the reason I recall for better fuel efficiency. Of course, efficiency here is ENTIRELY relative. One story I read was that the Tu-144 was used to haul mail for the proletariat at one point. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 flywheel - how many bolts?
> From: Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [MBZ] OM603 flywheel - how many bolts? > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > specifically a 603 in an '87 300TD, although I don't think that matters. > > Thanks! > > Chris > > > B?nter u. B?gel Diesel Sales & Service > -1985 300SD, 239K mi, "Wulf" > -1982 VW Vanagon Diesel, 229K mi > -1992 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon (Drosselklappengeh?use Einspritzung) > -'75 240D, '80 300SD, '82 300Dt, '82 300Dt, '83 240D, '84 300Dt, '87 190E 2.3 > > -'85 300Dt Cali (parting out - need anything?) > > Chris- Shouldn't be any different from a 602, which has 6 bolts, "paired" together and visible through the cutout in the bottom of the block case. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 flywheel - how many bolts?
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 flywheel - how many bolts? > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I dont think he is talking about torque converter bolts > Good point- I simply thing of it as a flex plate; didn't have mine off when I redid the trans as the rear seal was dry. Given the weight of the TC empty, what does the flywheel weigh? Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] little man is home
> Subject: [MBZ] little man is home > To: Banned List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mercedes Mailing List > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Brought him home today. > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK Congrats- Remember fondly those nights of uninterrupted sleep. You'll get 'em back, somewhere between 3 weeks and 3 years! TOny Wirtel '92 300e, '00 boy child, '04 girl child ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? > How hard is it to pull the valve body? Im guessing a hell of a lot > easier than pulling the whole tranny. Kickdown cable unplugged? You > mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, > does same thing plugged in. > Pulling the body is easy- Keep track of the bolts; several lengths are involved and there are a lot of them. The body will drop from the trans as a unit but actually has 4 layers. Do NOT disassemble the body unless you have gaskets and diagrams to know what goes back where when a few springs jump out (do this in a contained space where springs cannot get lost!). . When dropping the body Also keep an eye out for a few little bits. If like the 722.418 on my 300d there is a little plastic valve and other bits that MUST be set "just so" and may come out from where they belong when you drop the valve body. Do you have any pics to show the lines you mention? Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190 2.6 gasser/was 1996 E300
Hello Friends, I have a friend with more money than I do who is looking at the /1996-1998 E class diesels/. Am I wrong to be telling him that MB diesels are wonderful and he is going to love them? I warned him that the '96 non turbo would be slow, but as far as reliability and what we have all come to expect from our 123's and 124's, do these compare? Are they a quality item? I personally have been toying with the idea of getting a 190 2.6 gasser for a third car here, along with my question about the later Diesels above, anybody have a 190? Opinions? Thanks John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 84k Kingston, RI John, The 190 wasn't intended for the 103 motor; took a big shoehorn to make it fit and there is a decent amount of maintenance stuff becomes a PITA as a result. Have you considered a 124 with a gas motor? I know around here 124 values are dropping and the 201s are falling faster. As the "cheap" mercedes many (or most?) of 'em have had the snot beat out of them by now, but there have to be a few nice ones left. I've had a 300e with 2.6 motor for a little more than a year; has been a decent car but would imagine a 104 engined one even better. On 210 cars- look out for rust! If a '98 is an option, its a MUCH nicer car to drive than the non-turbos IMNSHO. Tony Wirtel '92 300e/2.6
[MBZ] Questions on my windfall
A friend needed to borrow a VOM and I took one of my many $2.99 Harbor Freight units over and told him to keep it. He said while you are here, I need to get rid of some 124 parts left over from his once owned 300E. So I get four wheels with a fair amount of the Michelin rubber still there. Brand new set of springs for the front and and rear and a re man cruise amp, never out of the box. My question is, will any of this fit my 300SDLs, 1981 240D or 85 300TD. I really like the look of the 8 hole rims. Harry Harry, My *guess* is that the springs would be a longshot for any 123 or 126 but who knows. If you want to sell the springs let me know- I've been thinking of replacing mine. Do you know what year/model it was for? Probably a gasser 6 cylinder, but I wouldn't want to try to put springs for a 500e in my 300e!! Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] Cirrus Design Sued for Wrongful Death in Lidle/Stanger
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:54:54 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Cirrus Design Sued for Wrongful Death in Lidle/Stanger Crash To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Press Release: Cirrus Design Sued for Wrongful Death in Lidle/Stanger Crash The complaint alleges causes of action for product liability, negligence and breach of warranty against Cirrus, Teledyne, Hartzel Propeller, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice Aviation. I think they forgot some people to sue: The FAA for not having a protective anti-gravity force field to gently correct their errant path; Mother Nature is surely on the hook for not changing the course of the wind to provide the required headwind to execute that 180 degree box canyon turn; finally those wretched rich people for wanting to live in buildings near the river. Tony Wirtel
[MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....
300SD: "Rare Gas Saver" that gets 45 MPG- don't miss the interior shots... http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/330303412.html Same guy jerked my chain on my former 300sd. Tony Wirtel
[MBZ] OT - Replication errors
Just screwing around with an old ipod trying to make sure it would work for my 6 year old to listen to. Got one of those off the wall thoughts pop in to my empty head What would the replication errors be, or would there be, if a woman were to carry her own clone? How many generations hence before errors would be induced if you used the original donor in succeeding generation vs. donation from prior generation to source the next? Off the wall, but I am sure there is enough brain power on the list to at least shine a very dim light on the topic -- Clay Seattle Bioburner Clay: Not an expert, but there are ALWAYS replication errors; what changes are the quantity. After that I believe its simply a matter of statistics of error probability taking over. To VERY broadly generalize if you're error rate is 1%, over 10 generations the probability of success would be about 90%; if error rate is 99.9%, then over the same 10 generations you'd be at about 99%. This assumes much, perhaps the most important factor being that the error rate would not change. That said, with advances in science and medicine as well as cars that are more reliable while also increasingly DIY unfriendly men are pretty much SOL, anyway (grin). Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] Safe forms of payment in a car sale
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 01:21:18 -0500 From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] Safe forms of payment in a car sale To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'll hopefully be selling my car very soon, and I thought that forms of payment such as certified check, or money order were some of the safest ways to go (as opposed to a personal check). But now I see that a certified check seems to be the weapon of choice in the scammers' arsenal? When selling a vehicle, what are some of the safest ways to accept payment? I'll be doing this transaction in person. Brian 83 240D 84 Saab 900 Cash- period and full stop. Take the cash to your bank for deposit directly into your account, then sign the title there and get a bill of sale notarized for you at the same time so that if the buyer goes and does crime with your old car you've got evidence of the sale. On the bill of sale put the date, time, statement of miles and that the buyer assumes all responsibility for the car as of x time. Both you/buyer signs and you keep. Not perfect, but gives you some ammo. Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] http://www.mercedestechstore.com/
Seems mercedes has a new website for technical documentation, http:// www.mercedestechstore.com/ Also seems some of the training material is readable PDFs for the curious http://www.mercedestechstore.com/pdfs/index.htm John: I like the ML crossword puzzle... http://www.mercedestechstore.com/pdfs/ml%20files/handouts/316%20HO%20M-Class%20Crossword%20puzzle%20WJB%2010-01-01.pdf Tony Wirtel
