Re: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That's applied at the factory, so if he doesn't have it now it's too 
late to get it.


--FT


On 11/11/17 10:21 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Yabbut don’t get the TruCoat.  That’s a ripoff.

-D


On Nov 11, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Be sure to spring for the lifetime warranty - it's only $9.95/mo. extra.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Well it’s been 3 days since they decided I need this, and I have not
dropped dead yet. Just 3 more days to go.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 11, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Having a stent put in was not at all painful for me. IIRC I was pretty

much awake during the procedure.

Greg

-Original Message-
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Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 2:56 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
Subject: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

So you remember the story a while back where I went to ER because it

felt like I had skipped heart beats, tightness in the chest etc. That
prompted a referral to cardiologist. They put me on a monitor for a couple
of days that I wore around, which found noting. Of course all of this led
me to cutting carbs to lose weight. So anyway they then set me up for a
stress test which I did last week. Today was my follow up. It came up
positive. There was some irregularity which long story short, I have any
appointment next week for a cath, or whatever they call it. The will see if
they find any blockage and fix it if they do. This is just great. I am way
too young to be having these sorts of problems.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

You can celebrate by going to McD's for a coupla Big Macs

--FT


On 11/11/17 7:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Well it’s been 3 days since they decided I need this, and I have not dropped 
dead yet. Just 3 more days to go.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 11, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Having a stent put in was not at all painful for me. IIRC I was pretty much 
awake during the procedure.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. 
Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 2:56 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
Subject: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

So you remember the story a while back where I went to ER because it felt like 
I had skipped heart beats, tightness in the chest etc. That prompted a referral 
to cardiologist. They put me on a monitor for a couple of days that I wore 
around, which found noting. Of course all of this led me to cutting carbs to 
lose weight. So anyway they then set me up for a stress test which I did last 
week. Today was my follow up. It came up positive. There was some irregularity 
which long story short, I have any appointment next week for a cath, or 
whatever they call it. The will see if they find any blockage and fix it if 
they do. This is just great. I am way too young to be having these sorts of 
problems.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Yabbut don’t get the TruCoat.  That’s a ripoff.

-D

> On Nov 11, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Be sure to spring for the lifetime warranty - it's only $9.95/mo. extra.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well it’s been 3 days since they decided I need this, and I have not
>> dropped dead yet. Just 3 more days to go.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Having a stent put in was not at all painful for me. IIRC I was pretty
>> much awake during the procedure.
>>> 
>>> Greg
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 2:56 PM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
>>> Subject: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc
>>> 
>>> So you remember the story a while back where I went to ER because it
>> felt like I had skipped heart beats, tightness in the chest etc. That
>> prompted a referral to cardiologist. They put me on a monitor for a couple
>> of days that I wore around, which found noting. Of course all of this led
>> me to cutting carbs to lose weight. So anyway they then set me up for a
>> stress test which I did last week. Today was my follow up. It came up
>> positive. There was some irregularity which long story short, I have any
>> appointment next week for a cath, or whatever they call it. The will see if
>> they find any blockage and fix it if they do. This is just great. I am way
>> too young to be having these sorts of problems.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Be sure to spring for the lifetime warranty - it's only $9.95/mo. extra.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well it’s been 3 days since they decided I need this, and I have not
> dropped dead yet. Just 3 more days to go.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 11, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Having a stent put in was not at all painful for me. IIRC I was pretty
> much awake during the procedure.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 2:56 PM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
> > Subject: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc
> >
> > So you remember the story a while back where I went to ER because it
> felt like I had skipped heart beats, tightness in the chest etc. That
> prompted a referral to cardiologist. They put me on a monitor for a couple
> of days that I wore around, which found noting. Of course all of this led
> me to cutting carbs to lose weight. So anyway they then set me up for a
> stress test which I did last week. Today was my follow up. It came up
> positive. There was some irregularity which long story short, I have any
> appointment next week for a cath, or whatever they call it. The will see if
> they find any blockage and fix it if they do. This is just great. I am way
> too young to be having these sorts of problems.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well it’s been 3 days since they decided I need this, and I have not dropped 
dead yet. Just 3 more days to go. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Having a stent put in was not at all painful for me. IIRC I was pretty much 
> awake during the procedure.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. 
> Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 2:56 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
> Subject: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc
> 
> So you remember the story a while back where I went to ER because it felt 
> like I had skipped heart beats, tightness in the chest etc. That prompted a 
> referral to cardiologist. They put me on a monitor for a couple of days that 
> I wore around, which found noting. Of course all of this led me to cutting 
> carbs to lose weight. So anyway they then set me up for a stress test which I 
> did last week. Today was my follow up. It came up positive. There was some 
> irregularity which long story short, I have any appointment next week for a 
> cath, or whatever they call it. The will see if they find any blockage and 
> fix it if they do. This is just great. I am way too young to be having these 
> sorts of problems. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Having a stent put in was not at all painful for me. IIRC I was pretty much 
awake during the procedure.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. 
Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 2:56 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
Subject: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

So you remember the story a while back where I went to ER because it felt like 
I had skipped heart beats, tightness in the chest etc. That prompted a referral 
to cardiologist. They put me on a monitor for a couple of days that I wore 
around, which found noting. Of course all of this led me to cutting carbs to 
lose weight. So anyway they then set me up for a stress test which I did last 
week. Today was my follow up. It came up positive. There was some irregularity 
which long story short, I have any appointment next week for a cath, or 
whatever they call it. The will see if they find any blockage and fix it if 
they do. This is just great. I am way too young to be having these sorts of 
problems. 

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

42

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2017, at 8:26 PM, Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> How old are you? I had my stents put in 8 years ago, just before my 33rd 
> birthday...
> 
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 5:56 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc
> 
> So you remember the story a while back where I went to ER because it felt 
> like I had skipped heart beats, tightness in the chest etc. That prompted a 
> referral to cardiologist. They put me on a monitor for a couple of days that 
> I wore around, which found noting. Of course all of this led me to cutting 
> carbs to lose weight. So anyway they then set me up for a stress test which I 
> did last week. Today was my follow up. It came up positive. There was some 
> irregularity which long story short, I have any appointment next week for a 
> cath, or whatever they call it. The will see if they find any blockage and 
> fix it if they do. This is just great. I am way too young to be having these 
> sorts of problems. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

How old are you? I had my stents put in 8 years ago, just before my 33rd 
birthday...

-Curt


  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
 Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 5:56 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc
   
So you remember the story a while back where I went to ER because it felt like 
I had skipped heart beats, tightness in the chest etc. That prompted a referral 
to cardiologist. They put me on a monitor for a couple of days that I wore 
around, which found noting. Of course all of this led me to cutting carbs to 
lose weight. So anyway they then set me up for a stress test which I did last 
week. Today was my follow up. It came up positive. There was some irregularity 
which long story short, I have any appointment next week for a cath, or 
whatever they call it. The will see if they find any blockage and fix it if 
they do. This is just great. I am way too young to be having these sorts of 
problems. 

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Rick wrote:
> If exercise was a prescription drug with a patent, it would probably be 
> quashed...

That sounds like hemp a century ago.  Someone said it was 30-percent
of the economy.  A substantial player in our economy for paper,
fabric, etc.  Then maryjane was the name applied to hemp and it became
illegal.  Take away 30-percent of an economy sounds good for somebody,
not the economy.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Ignore it and it will go away?  not likely, more like ignore it and have a big 
infarction instead.

Far better to get the catherization done, you'll get one anyway when you have 
that heart attack and have a lot more heart muscle damage.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Kaleb wrote:
> I should just ignore it and it will go away.

Perhaps, you haven't tried.  Low Carb is a good start.
Hopefully you do not believe baloney from anyone.
And how do we know your physician is not speaking baloney?
Your physician is like you - someone pays him, i.e. BigPharma, etc.
Your physician does like you do - you and your physician do what the
boss says or the paycheck does not arrive.
You are led to believe that ignoring it will end in tragedy for you
and R.  Not necessarily.
Med-Industrial-Complex has us buffaloed to fear ignoring them.  Try
ignoring them - you might like it.  After all, you like DIY but the
dealers want you afraid of failure if you do not let them maintain the
automobile.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

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OK Don wrote:
> Sorry to hear about the "troubles". To quote somebody:
> "Old age is not for the faint of heart." - Welcome to my world . . .
> 
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > So I only ended up with 1 prescription. It’s metoprolol tartrate, whatever
> > that is. Also 81mg aspirin once a day.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Nov 7, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yup, you'll be on a beta blocker and something like Lisinopril ---
> > reduces blood pressure, helps circulation by blocking angiotension and
> > dilating arteries a bit.  Same stuff I'm on, standard treatment.
> > >
> > > If you've been on statins, likely you an expect some blockage.  Good
> > news is that you will feel MUCH better if they put some stents in.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

"Yeah, you got a bad heart, and you're ugly too"

--Rodney


On 11/8/17 9:44 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Kaleb sez:


‎I should just ignore it and it will go away.

~~
The thing to do if you are concerned about having the cath is to get a second 
opinion. Most insurance companies will pay for a second opinion since they are 
far cheaper than a surgical procedure.

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

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> Kaleb sez:
> 
> >‎I should just ignore it and it will go away.
~~
The thing to do if you are concerned about having the cath is to get a second 
opinion. Most insurance companies will pay for a second opinion since they are 
far cheaper than a surgical procedure.

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs, heart, etc

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 7, 2017 at 5:56 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am way too young to be having these sorts of problems. 

My nephew-in-law's father died when he was 42. Stepdad went about five years 
ago, and now his mom's dead too. Nephew in law's around 50-51 now and he's had 
some heart trouble of his own. 

Didn't Curt have stents put in before he was 40?

Mitch.

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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Kaleb sez:

>‎I should just ignore it and it will go away.

Uh, no. However, with diet and exercise a lot of ailments can be controlled 
and/or reversed. If exercise was a prescription drug with a patent, it would 
probably be quashed because it is too beneficial, or it would be the most 
expensive drug on the planet, only available to the very wealthy and powerful. 

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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Blood pressure meds. Beta blocker and they interact with a lot of things. 

‎https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-11207/metoprolol-tartrate-oral/details

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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I should just ignore it and it will go away.

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> On Nov 7, 2017, at 8:08 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> -D wrote:
>> Glad they found something - at least now you know it wasn’t in your head.
> 
> You would be disappointed if they did not find something.  They know that.
> Stay away and things will be fine.  Don't trust doctors.
> tin.man
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Curly sez:

>‎Statins are a breach of the Hippocratic >oath.

I am pretty sure I posted this once before, but the gentleman that discovered 
statins, took them for a while then stopped. When asked why he replied "the 
indigo dyer wears white pants". Meaning he knows good and well there are not 
healthy. 

‎https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/news-blog/cholesterol-drug-scientist-receives-2008-09-12/

‎https://www.ketogenicforums.com/t/the-indigo-dyer/8046

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-D wrote:
> Glad they found something - at least now you know it wasn’t in your head.

You would be disappointed if they did not find something.  They know that.
Stay away and things will be fine.  Don't trust doctors.
tin.man

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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Statins are a breach of the Hippocratic oath.  They can be harmful and 
offer no real benefit.  The alleged "benefits" were derived by 
manipulation.  Studies NOT paid for by the drug pushers show NO benefit, 
but lots of potential bad side effects.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
November 7, 2017 at 5:51 PM
It’s thru the groin they said. I have had a very poor diet all my 
life. I never really paid attention to what I was eating. I have 
changed that recently. I have been on statins for a few years but the 
prescription ran out about 6 months ago and the dr would not refill it 
until I came back in. The earliest appointment is late this month, 
which I sat months ago.


This is scary.


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Sorry to hear about the "troubles". To quote somebody:
"Old age is not for the faint of heart." - Welcome to my world . . .

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> So I only ended up with 1 prescription. It’s metoprolol tartrate, whatever
> that is. Also 81mg aspirin once a day.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Nov 7, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yup, you'll be on a beta blocker and something like Lisinopril ---
> reduces blood pressure, helps circulation by blocking angiotension and
> dilating arteries a bit.  Same stuff I'm on, standard treatment.
> >
> > If you've been on statins, likely you an expect some blockage.  Good
> news is that you will feel MUCH better if they put some stents in.
> >
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So I only ended up with 1 prescription. It’s metoprolol tartrate, whatever that 
is. Also 81mg aspirin once a day.

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> On Nov 7, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yup, you'll be on a beta blocker and something like Lisinopril --- reduces 
> blood pressure, helps circulation by blocking angiotension and dilating 
> arteries a bit.  Same stuff I'm on, standard treatment.
> 
> If you've been on statins, likely you an expect some blockage.  Good news is 
> that you will feel MUCH better if they put some stents in.
> 
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We'll all be pulling for you!  Great motivation to make a positive change in 
your lifestyle.
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[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Yup, you'll be on a beta blocker and something like Lisinopril --- reduces 
blood pressure, helps circulation by blocking angiotension and dilating 
arteries a bit.  Same stuff I'm on, standard treatment.

If you've been on statins, likely you an expect some blockage.  Good news is 
that you will feel MUCH better if they put some stents in.

Peter
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It’s thru the groin they said. I have had a very poor diet all my life. I never 
really paid attention to what I was eating. I have changed that recently. I 
have been on statins for a few years but the prescription ran out about 6 
months ago and the dr would not refill it until I came back in. The earliest 
appointment is late this month, which I sat months ago. 

This is scary.

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> On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:36 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hopefully they will do the brachial one (through the wrist) rather than up 
> the femoral artery.  Not fun, but at least you just have a small puncture 
> wound in your wrist and a pressure bandage for a few hours, then a 5 lb 
> lifting limit for a week instead of a clip and stitches.
> 
> I don't remember much of mine, they give you a big dose of nitrates to dilate 
> your arteries and a big dose of morphine to keep the pain under control, some 
> people have a rough time.  I think I may have felt the catheter moving once 
> or twice, but was in la-la land for most of it.
> 
> They will put in any stents needed while they check you out -- there are 
> several conditions that can cause reduced blood flow to the heart muscle, 
> including tears in the artery wall that act just like deteriorated brake line 
> inner sections.  Cured by stents.
> 
> If you have eaten large amounts of trans fats earlier in life you could also 
> have quite a bit of sludge in your arteries, again a stent will fix that 
> along with dietary changes.
> 
> Have you had an echocardiogram?  Those, at least, are just a PITA, not 
> particularly painful.
> 
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well hopefully I don’t have one between now and next week. I have some 
prescriptions to pick up, something about beta blockers or blood pressure, but 
they didn’t really say to limit activity until then or anything. 

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> On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:09 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, you probably just avoided a heart attack.  SO that is good news.  Make 
> sure you go to a major heart center and that the surgeon has a stellar 
> record.  Around here, the Mercy hospitals are the best.  (Still catholic 
> AFIK)  I was lucky to be hauled to Mercy in DM.
> 
> I figured a nearly steady diet of $1 hamburgers on the road did me in.
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> November 7, 2017 at 5:00 PM
>> I didn’t really know what it was. Or if it was anything at all. I am not 
>> sure I like the idea of a procedure that has a certain risk of death.
>> 
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Hopefully they will do the brachial one (through the wrist) rather than up the 
femoral artery.  Not fun, but at least you just have a small puncture wound in 
your wrist and a pressure bandage for a few hours, then a 5 lb lifting limit 
for a week instead of a clip and stitches.

I don't remember much of mine, they give you a big dose of nitrates to dilate 
your arteries and a big dose of morphine to keep the pain under control, some 
people have a rough time.  I think I may have felt the catheter moving once or 
twice, but was in la-la land for most of it.

They will put in any stents needed while they check you out -- there are 
several conditions that can cause reduced blood flow to the heart muscle, 
including tears in the artery wall that act just like deteriorated brake line 
inner sections.  Cured by stents.

If you have eaten large amounts of trans fats earlier in life you could also 
have quite a bit of sludge in your arteries, again a stent will fix that along 
with dietary changes.

Have you had an echocardiogram?  Those, at least, are just a PITA, not 
particularly painful.

Hope all goes well.
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, you probably just avoided a heart attack.  SO that is good news.  
Make sure you go to a major heart center and that the surgeon has a 
stellar record.  Around here, the Mercy hospitals are the best.  (Still 
catholic AFIK)  I was lucky to be hauled to Mercy in DM.


I figured a nearly steady diet of $1 hamburgers on the road did me in.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
November 7, 2017 at 5:00 PM
I didn’t really know what it was. Or if it was anything at all. I am 
not sure I like the idea of a procedure that has a certain risk of death.




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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I didn’t really know what it was. Or if it was anything at all. I am not sure I 
like the idea of a procedure that has a certain risk of death.

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> On Nov 7, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Glad they found something - at least now you know it wasn’t in your head.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So you remember the story a while back where I went to ER because it felt 
>> like I had skipped heart beats, tightness in the chest etc. That prompted a 
>> referral to cardiologist. They put me on a monitor for a couple of days that 
>> I wore around, which found noting. Of course all of this led me to cutting 
>> carbs to lose weight. So anyway they then set me up for a stress test which 
>> I did last week. Today was my follow up. It came up positive. There was some 
>> irregularity which long story short, I have any appointment next week for a 
>> cath, or whatever they call it. The will see if they find any blockage and 
>> fix it if they do. This is just great. I am way too young to be having these 
>> sorts of problems. 
>> 
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Glad they found something - at least now you know it wasn’t in your head.

-D


> On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So you remember the story a while back where I went to ER because it felt 
> like I had skipped heart beats, tightness in the chest etc. That prompted a 
> referral to cardiologist. They put me on a monitor for a couple of days that 
> I wore around, which found noting. Of course all of this led me to cutting 
> carbs to lose weight. So anyway they then set me up for a stress test which I 
> did last week. Today was my follow up. It came up positive. There was some 
> irregularity which long story short, I have any appointment next week for a 
> cath, or whatever they call it. The will see if they find any blockage and 
> fix it if they do. This is just great. I am way too young to be having these 
> sorts of problems. 
> 
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So you remember the story a while back where I went to ER because it felt like 
I had skipped heart beats, tightness in the chest etc. That prompted a referral 
to cardiologist. They put me on a monitor for a couple of days that I wore 
around, which found noting. Of course all of this led me to cutting carbs to 
lose weight. So anyway they then set me up for a stress test which I did last 
week. Today was my follow up. It came up positive. There was some irregularity 
which long story short, I have any appointment next week for a cath, or 
whatever they call it. The will see if they find any blockage and fix it if 
they do. This is just great. I am way too young to be having these sorts of 
problems. 

Sent from my iPhone

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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Me too.

I had no idea there was something called "healthy lard".  Sort of like
"healthy scrapple" I suppose...

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I use mostly maple syrup for sweetener, my wife buys honey every time she
> sees it so we have tons. Its local honey thats supposed to help with
> allergies. You gotta be careful with grocery store honey as its often from
> global sources and adulterated with who knows what.
> I take the Louis Black attitude for soy "milk", if it doesn't have boobs
> it doesn't make milk...
> -Curt
>
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2017, 9:56:47 AM EDT, Floyd Thursby via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  Ah, yes, sugars -- if you want something sweet buy local honey, you will
> get the local pollen and airborne crap in it which supposedly helpful
> for allergies and such.  Careful with the stuff at the store, a lot of
> that is chinee honee, no bueno.  A little local honey goes a long way too.
>
> And another thing -- unsweetened almond milk smoothies for brekkie --
> almond milk (I like the vanilla flavor), some fresh or frozen berries,
> bananas, maybe a little cinnamon or cocoa power, and a squirt of honey
> -- YUMS!!!  Some like soy milk but that can make manboobs (moobs).  The
> coconut is good too.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 10/14/17 9:01 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
> > First - eliminate processed sugars. Cane sugar, corn syrup,
> > high fructose corn syrup, etc. will all mess up the bodies
> > ability to take care of itself, warp mineral balance and
> > distort appetite.  I think it was Rich that said "sugar should
> > be classified as a drug".  I agree.
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I use mostly maple syrup for sweetener, my wife buys honey every time she sees 
it so we have tons. Its local honey thats supposed to help with allergies. You 
gotta be careful with grocery store honey as its often from global sources and 
adulterated with who knows what. 
I take the Louis Black attitude for soy "milk", if it doesn't have boobs it 
doesn't make milk...
-Curt


On Monday, October 16, 2017, 9:56:47 AM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Ah, yes, sugars -- if you want something sweet buy local honey, you will 
get the local pollen and airborne crap in it which supposedly helpful 
for allergies and such.  Careful with the stuff at the store, a lot of 
that is chinee honee, no bueno.  A little local honey goes a long way too.

And another thing -- unsweetened almond milk smoothies for brekkie -- 
almond milk (I like the vanilla flavor), some fresh or frozen berries, 
bananas, maybe a little cinnamon or cocoa power, and a squirt of honey 
-- YUMS!!!  Some like soy milk but that can make manboobs (moobs).  The 
coconut is good too.

--FT


On 10/14/17 9:01 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
> First - eliminate processed sugars. Cane sugar, corn syrup,
> high fructose corn syrup, etc. will all mess up the bodies
> ability to take care of itself, warp mineral balance and
> distort appetite.  I think it was Rich that said "sugar should
> be classified as a drug".  I agree.


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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Ah, yes, sugars -- if you want something sweet buy local honey, you will 
get the local pollen and airborne crap in it which supposedly helpful 
for allergies and such.  Careful with the stuff at the store, a lot of 
that is chinee honee, no bueno.  A little local honey goes a long way too.


And another thing -- unsweetened almond milk smoothies for brekkie -- 
almond milk (I like the vanilla flavor), some fresh or frozen berries, 
bananas, maybe a little cinnamon or cocoa power, and a squirt of honey 
-- YUMS!!!  Some like soy milk but that can make manboobs (moobs).  The 
coconut is good too.


--FT


On 10/14/17 9:01 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

First - eliminate processed sugars. Cane sugar, corn syrup,
high fructose corn syrup, etc. will all mess up the bodies
ability to take care of itself, warp mineral balance and
distort appetite.  I think it was Rich that said "sugar should
be classified as a drug".  I agree.



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We make bread with 1/3 whole grain spelt (and older wheat variety), 1/3
rye, and 1/3 buckwheat (high in protean), with a bit of flax seed meal and
gluten thrown in. It's really good! I can also share recipes if anyone is
interested.

On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
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> More on carbs:
>
> Try to include more rye vs. wheat. My favorite is a rye or pumpernickel
> bread made with 50% whole wheat and 50% rye (plus a bit of gluten added to
> make up for the lack in the rye). When I make this bread I do it from
> freshly milled flour I do at home. I have a good bread machine recipe if
> anyone is interested.
>
> The carbohydrates in rye are mostly made up of pentose sugars (5 carbon
> molecule) rather than glucose or fructose (6 carbon) . These metabolize
> more slowly and also hydrate much more while going through the digestive
> system, giving a feeling of fullness. Also, the pentose sugars happen to be
> important building blocks of DNA and RNA.
>
> Some people complain that this "binds them up".
>
> Greg
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

More on carbs:

Try to include more rye vs. wheat. My favorite is a rye or pumpernickel bread 
made with 50% whole wheat and 50% rye (plus a bit of gluten added to make up 
for the lack in the rye). When I make this bread I do it from freshly milled 
flour I do at home. I have a good bread machine recipe if anyone is interested.

The carbohydrates in rye are mostly made up of pentose sugars (5 carbon 
molecule) rather than glucose or fructose (6 carbon) . These metabolize more 
slowly and also hydrate much more while going through the digestive system, 
giving a feeling of fullness. Also, the pentose sugars happen to be important 
building blocks of DNA and RNA.

Some people complain that this "binds them up".

Greg




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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Sehr Gut!+1


fmiser via Mercedes 
October 14, 2017 at 8:01 PM
Short summary, based on the research and experience of me and
my family. It does not fit what the medical industry
currently touts.

First - eliminate processed sugars. Cane sugar, corn syrup,
high fructose corn syrup, etc. will all mess up the bodies
ability to take care of itself, warp mineral balance and
distort appetite. I think it was Rich that said "sugar should
be classified as a drug". I agree.

Next try to eliminate all highly processed "food", like white
flour, white rice, etc. As much as possible, eat the entire
fruit/grain. Eat an orange rather than drink orange juice.
We have found that whole ground dates (chucks coated in oat
flour to keep it from becoming one big lump) works well as a
sweetener in a lot of baking. Avoid the "fake" sweeteners.
All the ones I've researched are nasty.

Quite likely, that will take care of a lot of divers stuff -
possibly even sleep issues. If that isn't enough to get your
weight where you want it, the next step is to separate the
eating of starch and fats/oils. THM (Trim Healthy Mama) has
popularized this technique. No need to count carbs, limit
service sizes, etc - just keep eat the starch and the
fats/oils at least 4 hours apart.

And drink water. It's really hard to drink too much.

Oh, and get sea salt with lots of trace minerals. Then use as
much as your tongue wants.

There will be a few weeks of sugar withdrawal, but after that it's
not hard - unless you try to eat food made someplace other than
your own kitchen. :)

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Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
October 14, 2017 at 1:16 PM
Can't have tater salad, too many carbs.

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Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
October 14, 2017 at 1:02 PM
Diet anything can't be good for you. Ice tea in large quantities is 
why you've lost weight, it's just water you've let go as tea is a 
dieuretic. Drink water, it's all you really need. Pack your own lunch, 
fast food is loaded with salt and expensive. Ranch is just sugar...

Curt

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On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via 
Mercedes wrote: Well I hear you will fell like 
crap for a few days but after it passes you will have more energy.


My problem is I'm on the go all day so I have to find things at fast 
food places to eat. Yesterday it was Arby's classic with no but and 
just a touch of Arby's sauce with a side salad. That was 11 carbs. 
Today it was a McDonald quarter pounder with cheese with no bun or 
Catsup with a side salad. I can have ranch but their ranch had 11 
carbs as opposed to most other ranch that has 1-2. So that meal ended 
up being 20 carbs. Dinner will be grilled chicken breast and green 
beans with probably a hard boiled egg and maybe a couple is slices of 
cheese. Should keep me under 30 which is well under my goal.


I have been sticking with unsweetened tea but am considering trying 
diet soda. I have heard mixed reviews on it. Some say it's fine to 
drink with this sort of diet, others say it can slow down things even 
though it has no calories or carbs. I may try it and see how it goes. 
I do know several years ago I pretty much cut out all sugar and drank 
diet soda and I lost weight just doing that.


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Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
October 13, 2017 at 6:45 PM
Well I hear you will fell like crap for a few days but after it passes 
you will have more energy.


My problem is I'm on the go all day so I have to find things at fast 
food places to eat. Yesterday it was Arby's classic with no but and 
just a touch of Arby's sauce with a side salad. That was 11 carbs. 
Today it was a McDonald quarter pounder with cheese with no bun or 
Catsup with a side salad. I can have ranch but their ranch had 11 
carbs as opposed to most other ranch that has 1-2. So that meal ended 
up being 20 carbs. Dinner will be grilled chicken breast and green 

Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[fmiser via Mercedes]

Short summary, based on the research and experience of me and
my family.  It does not fit what the medical industry
currently touts.

First - eliminate processed sugars. Cane sugar, corn syrup,
high fructose corn syrup, etc. will all mess up the bodies
ability to take care of itself, warp mineral balance and
distort appetite.  I think it was Rich that said "sugar should
be classified as a drug".  I agree.

Next try to eliminate all highly processed "food", like white
flour, white rice, etc.  As much as possible, eat the entire
fruit/grain.  Eat an orange rather than drink orange juice.
We have found that whole ground dates (chucks coated in oat
flour to keep it from becoming one big lump) works well as a
sweetener in a lot of baking.  Avoid the "fake" sweeteners.
All the ones I've researched are nasty.

Quite likely, that will take care of a lot of divers stuff -
possibly even sleep issues.  If that isn't enough to get your
weight where you want it, the next step is to separate the
eating of starch and fats/oils.  THM (Trim Healthy Mama) has
popularized this technique.  No need to count carbs, limit
service sizes, etc - just keep eat the starch and the
fats/oils at least 4 hours apart.

And drink water.  It's really hard to drink too much.

Oh, and get sea salt with lots of trace minerals.  Then use as
much as your tongue wants.

There will be a few weeks of sugar withdrawal, but after that it's
not hard - unless you try to eat food made someplace other than
your own kitchen. :)

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Can't have tater salad, too many carbs.

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> On Oct 14, 2017, at 1:07 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I was on the road, whenever I was near a grocery store, I picked up a 
> lot of meals at the meat or deli counter.  Sliced roast beef, or turkey, etc 
> with some tater salad makes a good meal or two.
> 
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> October 14, 2017 at 1:02 PM
>> Diet anything can't be good for you. Ice tea in large quantities is why 
>> you've lost weight, it's just water you've let go as tea is a dieuretic. 
>> Drink water, it's all you really need. Pack your own lunch, fast food is 
>> loaded with salt and expensive. Ranch is just sugar...
>> Curt
> 
> Low sugar varieties of prepared foods are generally high in fat.
> Low fat varieties of prepared foods are generally high in sugar, or worse, 
> HFCS.
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

When I was on the road, whenever I was near a grocery store, I picked up 
a lot of meals at the meat or deli counter.  Sliced roast beef, or 
turkey, etc with some tater salad makes a good meal or two.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
October 14, 2017 at 1:02 PM
Diet anything can't be good for you. Ice tea in large quantities is 
why you've lost weight, it's just water you've let go as tea is a 
dieuretic. Drink water, it's all you really need. Pack your own lunch, 
fast food is loaded with salt and expensive. Ranch is just sugar...

Curt


Low sugar varieties of prepared foods are generally high in fat.
Low fat varieties of prepared foods are generally high in sugar, or 
worse, HFCS.

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Diet anything can't be good for you. Ice tea in large quantities is why you've 
lost weight, it's just water you've let go as tea is a dieuretic. Drink water, 
it's all you really need. Pack your own lunch, fast food is loaded with salt 
and expensive. Ranch is just sugar...
Curt

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  On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via 
Mercedes wrote:   Well I hear you will fell like crap 
for a few days but after it passes you will have more energy. 

My problem is I'm on the go all day so I have to find things at fast food 
places to eat. Yesterday it was Arby's classic with no but and just a touch of 
Arby's sauce with a side salad. That was 11 carbs. Today it was a McDonald 
quarter pounder with cheese with no bun or Catsup with a side salad. I can have 
ranch but their ranch had 11 carbs as opposed to most other ranch that has 1-2. 
So that meal ended up being 20 carbs. Dinner will be grilled chicken breast and 
green beans with probably a hard boiled egg and maybe a couple is slices of 
cheese. Should keep me under 30 which is well under my goal. 

I have been sticking with unsweetened tea but am considering trying diet soda. 
I have heard mixed reviews on it. Some say it's fine to drink with this sort of 
diet, others say it can slow down things even though it has no calories or 
carbs. I may try it and see how it goes. I do know several years ago I pretty 
much cut out all sugar and drank diet soda and I lost weight just doing that. 

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> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb sez:
> 
>> ‎Well this is day 2 of no sugar and very low >carbs. I had 27 net carbs 
>> yesterday and >so far today have had about 20 of my 69 I >have allowed 
>> myself.
> 
> Wait until the withdrawals hit...
> 
> Sugar should be classified as a drug.
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

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Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
October 13, 2017 at 7:57 PM
Think bacon butter... whole milk... full fat Greek yogurt... 
And don't use vegetable oils, or that artificial crap.


Rick


If if won't spoil, it is NOT food!   Locally grown fats are the best.  
Find a local meat locker, dairy etc.  BTW, store lard is plastic, don't 
use it.  Render your own or buy it from a locker that renders their own 
and tells you it has to be refrigerated or frozen to keep a while.   Try 
to avoid meats grown with antibiotics, hormones, etc.   Try to avoid 
GMO: corn, soybean, canola, cotton seed oil, etc.  Grape seed oil or a 
few brands of olive oil are ok where you can't use butter or clean 
animal fat.


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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 

I have been sticking with unsweetened tea but am considering trying 
diet soda. I have heard mixed reviews on it. l
Diet pop will kill you.  STAY AWAY!  As bad as the sugar is, it won't 
harm you as  much as the chemical pop.

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Peter Hertzing via Mercedes]

Start drinking water...  I gave up all soda that didn't have Rum in it and it 
really helped my digestive track, and makes cut my heart palpitations in half.  
I carry the 64? Ounce yeti thermos with ice and water.  Gotten used to it.  
Still drink some unsweetened tea when I need something else.

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> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well I hear you will fell like crap for a few days but after it passes you 
> will have more energy. 
> 
> My problem is I'm on the go all day so I have to find things at fast food 
> places to eat. Yesterday it was Arby's classic with no but and just a touch 
> of Arby's sauce with a side salad. That was 11 carbs. Today it was a McDonald 
> quarter pounder with cheese with no bun or Catsup with a side salad. I can 
> have ranch but their ranch had 11 carbs as opposed to most other ranch that 
> has 1-2. So that meal ended up being 20 carbs. Dinner will be grilled chicken 
> breast and green beans with probably a hard boiled egg and maybe a couple is 
> slices of cheese. Should keep me under 30 which is well under my goal. 
> 
> I have been sticking with unsweetened tea but am considering trying diet 
> soda. I have heard mixed reviews on it. Some say it's fine to drink with this 
> sort of diet, others say it can slow down things even though it has no 
> calories or carbs. I may try it and see how it goes. I do know several years 
> ago I pretty much cut out all sugar and drank diet soda and I lost weight 
> just doing that. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Kaleb sez:
>> 
>>> ‎Well this is day 2 of no sugar and very low >carbs. I had 27 net carbs 
>>> yesterday and >so far today have had about 20 of my 69 I >have allowed 
>>> myself.
>> 
>> Wait until the withdrawals hit...
>> 
>> Sugar should be classified as a drug.
>> 
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That's how many carbs their ranch has in it. Way too many but I still stayed 
under 30 carbs yesterday. 

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> On Oct 14, 2017, at 2:03 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb asks:
> 
>> ‎What sort of salad dressing comes on >that?
> 
> Newman's Own Southwest. It's got a few carbs in it, but you don't have to use 
> the whole thing. You can probably get whatever else they have though.
> 
> https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/newmans-own-creamy-southwest-dressing.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Kaleb asks:

>‎What sort of salad dressing comes on >that?

Newman's Own Southwest. It's got a few carbs in it, but you don't have to use 
the whole thing. You can probably get whatever else they have though.

https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/newmans-own-creamy-southwest-dressing.html

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 00:57:49 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> And don't use vegetable oils, 

Even olive oil?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

What sort of salad dressing comes on that?

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> On Oct 13, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb sez:
> 
>> ‎My problem is I'm on the go all day so I >have to find things at fast food 
>> places to >eat.
> 
> McD's Southwest salad with grilled chicken is good. Skip the corn chips. For 
> bread for sandwiches for lunch I use Ezekiel ‎Flax seed bread. 10 grams of 
> net carbs per slice. You have to increase your fat intake too, not increase 
> protein. Think bacon butter... whole milk... full fat Greek yogurt... 
> And don't use vegetable oils, or that artificial crap. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Kaleb sez:

>‎My problem is I'm on the go all day so I >have to find things at fast food 
>places to >eat.

McD's Southwest salad with grilled chicken is good. Skip the corn chips. For 
bread for sandwiches for lunch I use Ezekiel ‎Flax seed bread. 10 grams of net 
carbs per slice. You have to increase your fat intake too, not increase 
protein. Think bacon butter... whole milk... full fat Greek yogurt... 
And don't use vegetable oils, or that artificial crap. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

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Great on the tea!
You will find time to pack lunch, if the other option is to do without . . .

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I brew loose leaf tea at home.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:51 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I've seen studies that say you will gain weight drinking diet sodas. If
> > nothing else, they have zero redeeming nutritional value. Stick to tea -
> > that you brewed yourself. Pure tea from leaves, not the floor sweepings
> > that they put in those bags.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Well I hear you will fell like crap for a few days but after it passes
> you
> >> will have more energy.
> >>
> >> My problem is I'm on the go all day so I have to find things at fast
> food
> >> places to eat. Yesterday it was Arby's classic with no but and just a
> touch
> >> of Arby's sauce with a side salad. That was 11 carbs. Today it was a
> >> McDonald quarter pounder with cheese with no bun or Catsup with a side
> >> salad. I can have ranch but their ranch had 11 carbs as opposed to most
> >> other ranch that has 1-2. So that meal ended up being 20 carbs. Dinner
> will
> >> be grilled chicken breast and green beans with probably a hard boiled
> egg
> >> and maybe a couple is slices of cheese. Should keep me under 30 which is
> >> well under my goal.
> >>
> >> I have been sticking with unsweetened tea but am considering trying diet
> >> soda. I have heard mixed reviews on it. Some say it's fine to drink with
> >> this sort of diet, others say it can slow down things even though it
> has no
> >> calories or carbs. I may try it and see how it goes. I do know several
> >> years ago I pretty much cut out all sugar and drank diet soda and I lost
> >> weight just doing that.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Kaleb sez:
> >>>
>  ‎Well this is day 2 of no sugar and very low >carbs. I had 27 net
> carbs
> >> yesterday and >so far today have had about 20 of my 69 I >have allowed
> >> myself.
> >>>
> >>> Wait until the withdrawals hit...
> >>>
> >>> Sugar should be classified as a drug.
> >>>
> >>> Rick
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> > --
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> > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> of
> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
> > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I brew loose leaf tea at home. 

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> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:51 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I've seen studies that say you will gain weight drinking diet sodas. If
> nothing else, they have zero redeeming nutritional value. Stick to tea -
> that you brewed yourself. Pure tea from leaves, not the floor sweepings
> that they put in those bags.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well I hear you will fell like crap for a few days but after it passes you
>> will have more energy.
>> 
>> My problem is I'm on the go all day so I have to find things at fast food
>> places to eat. Yesterday it was Arby's classic with no but and just a touch
>> of Arby's sauce with a side salad. That was 11 carbs. Today it was a
>> McDonald quarter pounder with cheese with no bun or Catsup with a side
>> salad. I can have ranch but their ranch had 11 carbs as opposed to most
>> other ranch that has 1-2. So that meal ended up being 20 carbs. Dinner will
>> be grilled chicken breast and green beans with probably a hard boiled egg
>> and maybe a couple is slices of cheese. Should keep me under 30 which is
>> well under my goal.
>> 
>> I have been sticking with unsweetened tea but am considering trying diet
>> soda. I have heard mixed reviews on it. Some say it's fine to drink with
>> this sort of diet, others say it can slow down things even though it has no
>> calories or carbs. I may try it and see how it goes. I do know several
>> years ago I pretty much cut out all sugar and drank diet soda and I lost
>> weight just doing that.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kaleb sez:
>>> 
 ‎Well this is day 2 of no sugar and very low >carbs. I had 27 net carbs
>> yesterday and >so far today have had about 20 of my 69 I >have allowed
>> myself.
>>> 
>>> Wait until the withdrawals hit...
>>> 
>>> Sugar should be classified as a drug.
>>> 
>>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I am going to try packing lunch but never seem to have time.

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> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:49 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There ARE other options to fast food (not really food). You can pack a
> lunch, for instance. When we are traveling, we bring a bag of trail mix for
> each of us. Homemade trail mix, not the sugar, salt, oil laden stuff from
> the store.
> Home made whole grain bread (ALL whole grain, no white flour) still has
> carbs, but they release slowly and are much better for you.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well I hear you will fell like crap for a few days but after it passes you
>> will have more energy.
>> 
>> My problem is I'm on the go all day so I have to find things at fast food
>> places to eat. Yesterday it was Arby's classic with no but and just a touch
>> of Arby's sauce with a side salad. That was 11 carbs. Today it was a
>> McDonald quarter pounder with cheese with no bun or Catsup with a side
>> salad. I can have ranch but their ranch had 11 carbs as opposed to most
>> other ranch that has 1-2. So that meal ended up being 20 carbs. Dinner will
>> be grilled chicken breast and green beans with probably a hard boiled egg
>> and maybe a couple is slices of cheese. Should keep me under 30 which is
>> well under my goal.
>> 
>> I have been sticking with unsweetened tea but am considering trying diet
>> soda. I have heard mixed reviews on it. Some say it's fine to drink with
>> this sort of diet, others say it can slow down things even though it has no
>> calories or carbs. I may try it and see how it goes. I do know several
>> years ago I pretty much cut out all sugar and drank diet soda and I lost
>> weight just doing that.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kaleb sez:
>>> 
 ‎Well this is day 2 of no sugar and very low >carbs. I had 27 net carbs
>> yesterday and >so far today have had about 20 of my 69 I >have allowed
>> myself.
>>> 
>>> Wait until the withdrawals hit...
>>> 
>>> Sugar should be classified as a drug.
>>> 
>>> Rick
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I've seen studies that say you will gain weight drinking diet sodas. If
nothing else, they have zero redeeming nutritional value. Stick to tea -
that you brewed yourself. Pure tea from leaves, not the floor sweepings
that they put in those bags.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well I hear you will fell like crap for a few days but after it passes you
> will have more energy.
>
> My problem is I'm on the go all day so I have to find things at fast food
> places to eat. Yesterday it was Arby's classic with no but and just a touch
> of Arby's sauce with a side salad. That was 11 carbs. Today it was a
> McDonald quarter pounder with cheese with no bun or Catsup with a side
> salad. I can have ranch but their ranch had 11 carbs as opposed to most
> other ranch that has 1-2. So that meal ended up being 20 carbs. Dinner will
> be grilled chicken breast and green beans with probably a hard boiled egg
> and maybe a couple is slices of cheese. Should keep me under 30 which is
> well under my goal.
>
> I have been sticking with unsweetened tea but am considering trying diet
> soda. I have heard mixed reviews on it. Some say it's fine to drink with
> this sort of diet, others say it can slow down things even though it has no
> calories or carbs. I may try it and see how it goes. I do know several
> years ago I pretty much cut out all sugar and drank diet soda and I lost
> weight just doing that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Kaleb sez:
> >
> >> ‎Well this is day 2 of no sugar and very low >carbs. I had 27 net carbs
> yesterday and >so far today have had about 20 of my 69 I >have allowed
> myself.
> >
> > Wait until the withdrawals hit...
> >
> > Sugar should be classified as a drug.
> >
> > Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[OK Don via Mercedes]

There ARE other options to fast food (not really food). You can pack a
lunch, for instance. When we are traveling, we bring a bag of trail mix for
each of us. Homemade trail mix, not the sugar, salt, oil laden stuff from
the store.
Home made whole grain bread (ALL whole grain, no white flour) still has
carbs, but they release slowly and are much better for you.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well I hear you will fell like crap for a few days but after it passes you
> will have more energy.
>
> My problem is I'm on the go all day so I have to find things at fast food
> places to eat. Yesterday it was Arby's classic with no but and just a touch
> of Arby's sauce with a side salad. That was 11 carbs. Today it was a
> McDonald quarter pounder with cheese with no bun or Catsup with a side
> salad. I can have ranch but their ranch had 11 carbs as opposed to most
> other ranch that has 1-2. So that meal ended up being 20 carbs. Dinner will
> be grilled chicken breast and green beans with probably a hard boiled egg
> and maybe a couple is slices of cheese. Should keep me under 30 which is
> well under my goal.
>
> I have been sticking with unsweetened tea but am considering trying diet
> soda. I have heard mixed reviews on it. Some say it's fine to drink with
> this sort of diet, others say it can slow down things even though it has no
> calories or carbs. I may try it and see how it goes. I do know several
> years ago I pretty much cut out all sugar and drank diet soda and I lost
> weight just doing that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Kaleb sez:
> >
> >> ‎Well this is day 2 of no sugar and very low >carbs. I had 27 net carbs
> yesterday and >so far today have had about 20 of my 69 I >have allowed
> myself.
> >
> > Wait until the withdrawals hit...
> >
> > Sugar should be classified as a drug.
> >
> > Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

We have a treadmill here at the house. I did run on it a few years ago and 
worked myself up to about 30 minutes. Right now I bet I could not make it 5 
minutes at a fairly brisk pace at an incline. 

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> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes.
> 
> https://spinning.com 
> 
> It’s a stationary bicycle with a heavy flywheel on which you control the 
> resistance.  It’s done in groups with an instructor or team leader who gives 
> you direction on what you should be doing, for instance, standing, climbing a 
> hill, etc., usually done along with music so you’ve got a beat to follow. A 
> typical class lasts about 45 minutes including the warm up and cool down.
> 
> If you’re spinning regularly you’re using a heart rate monitor to check your 
> heart rate to have it at the optimum level.
> 
> You’ll burn about 400-600 calories in a class once you get acclimated and 
> have your heart rate established.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2017, at 7:21 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 19:18:54 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> That’s why I liked spinning.  Hard core cardio in under 45 minutes and
>>> easy on the knees.
>> 
>> Is spinning riding a stationary bicycle?
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well I hear you will fell like crap for a few days but after it passes you will 
have more energy. 

My problem is I'm on the go all day so I have to find things at fast food 
places to eat. Yesterday it was Arby's classic with no but and just a touch of 
Arby's sauce with a side salad. That was 11 carbs. Today it was a McDonald 
quarter pounder with cheese with no bun or Catsup with a side salad. I can have 
ranch but their ranch had 11 carbs as opposed to most other ranch that has 1-2. 
So that meal ended up being 20 carbs. Dinner will be grilled chicken breast and 
green beans with probably a hard boiled egg and maybe a couple is slices of 
cheese. Should keep me under 30 which is well under my goal. 

I have been sticking with unsweetened tea but am considering trying diet soda. 
I have heard mixed reviews on it. Some say it's fine to drink with this sort of 
diet, others say it can slow down things even though it has no calories or 
carbs. I may try it and see how it goes. I do know several years ago I pretty 
much cut out all sugar and drank diet soda and I lost weight just doing that. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb sez:
> 
>> ‎Well this is day 2 of no sugar and very low >carbs. I had 27 net carbs 
>> yesterday and >so far today have had about 20 of my 69 I >have allowed 
>> myself.
> 
> Wait until the withdrawals hit...
> 
> Sugar should be classified as a drug.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yes.

https://spinning.com 

It’s a stationary bicycle with a heavy flywheel on which you control the 
resistance.  It’s done in groups with an instructor or team leader who gives 
you direction on what you should be doing, for instance, standing, climbing a 
hill, etc., usually done along with music so you’ve got a beat to follow. A 
typical class lasts about 45 minutes including the warm up and cool down.

If you’re spinning regularly you’re using a heart rate monitor to check your 
heart rate to have it at the optimum level.

You’ll burn about 400-600 calories in a class once you get acclimated and have 
your heart rate established.

-D
  
> On Oct 13, 2017, at 7:21 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 19:18:54 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> That’s why I liked spinning.  Hard core cardio in under 45 minutes and
>> easy on the knees.
> 
> Is spinning riding a stationary bicycle?
> 
> 
> Craig
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Kaleb sez:

>‎Well this is day 2 of no sugar and very low >carbs. I had 27 net carbs 
>yesterday and >so far today have had about 20 of my 69 I >have allowed myself.

Wait until the withdrawals hit...

Sugar should be classified as a drug.

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

No, it's when he spins his crack pipe on the table while posting cars to BAT.

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> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:21 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 19:18:54 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> That’s why I liked spinning.  Hard core cardio in under 45 minutes and
>> easy on the knees.
> 
> Is spinning riding a stationary bicycle?
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dan sez:
>>> 
 ‎I have knee issues that make it really >hard on me when running, so
 I walk or >bike. If you do the gym thing the elliptical >is good,
 too. I just can’t take the shock of >running on the knees, it makes
 them hurt >like heck and swell up slightly.
>>> 
>>> Stationary bike or a Nordic Track. The Nordic Track takes some
>>> coordination to learn, but it's great low impact cardiovascular
>>> exercise.
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well this is day 2 of no sugar and very low carbs. I had 27 net carbs yesterday 
and so far today have had about 20 of my 69 I have allowed myself. Down 5 lbs 
from yesterday. Of course I know there is daily fluctuations in weight anyway 
but maybe we are headed in the right direction. From what I have read you tent 
to shed a ton of water weight pretty quick when first starting then it evens 
out.

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> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That’s why I liked spinning.  Hard core cardio in under 45 minutes and easy 
> on the knees.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dan sez:
>> 
>>> ‎I have knee issues that make it really >hard on me when running, so I walk 
>>> or >bike. If you do the gym thing the elliptical >is good, too. I just 
>>> can’t take the shock of >running on the knees, it makes them hurt >like 
>>> heck and swell up slightly.
>> 
>> Stationary bike or a Nordic Track. The Nordic Track takes some coordination 
>> to learn, but it's great low impact cardiovascular exercise.
>> 
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 19:18:54 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> That’s why I liked spinning.  Hard core cardio in under 45 minutes and
> easy on the knees.

Is spinning riding a stationary bicycle?


Craig

> > On Oct 13, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Dan sez:
> > 
> >> ‎I have knee issues that make it really >hard on me when running, so
> >> I walk or >bike. If you do the gym thing the elliptical >is good,
> >> too. I just can’t take the shock of >running on the knees, it makes
> >> them hurt >like heck and swell up slightly.
> > 
> > Stationary bike or a Nordic Track. The Nordic Track takes some
> > coordination to learn, but it's great low impact cardiovascular
> > exercise.

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s why I liked spinning.  Hard core cardio in under 45 minutes and easy on 
the knees.

-D


> On Oct 13, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan sez:
> 
>> ‎I have knee issues that make it really >hard on me when running, so I walk 
>> or >bike. If you do the gym thing the elliptical >is good, too. I just can’t 
>> take the shock of >running on the knees, it makes them hurt >like heck and 
>> swell up slightly.
> 
> Stationary bike or a Nordic Track. The Nordic Track takes some coordination 
> to learn, but it's great low impact cardiovascular exercise.
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dan sez:

>‎I have knee issues that make it really >hard on me when running, so I walk or 
>>bike. If you do the gym thing the elliptical >is good, too. I just can’t take 
>the shock of >running on the knees, it makes them hurt >like heck and swell up 
>slightly.

Stationary bike or a Nordic Track. The Nordic Track takes some coordination to 
learn, but it's great low impact cardiovascular exercise.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Peter wrote:
> Exercise and restrict carbs should work pretty well.

It sounds like you know foods as medicine - thanks for writing this
information for us.  It seems that Peter is our new Dr. Booth?
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Stereotypical pre heart attack symptoms, on activity I'd get chest pain 
radiating down my left arm. Fortunately when I stopped the activity the pain 
went away. Buncha tests didn't show anything, finally a cardiac cat scan showed 
95% blockage in two arteries feeding my heart.
Just before the stents it had gotten bad, to avoid the pain I had to walk slow, 
I couldn't walk and talk, etc...
Curt

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  On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via 
Mercedes wrote:   So at age 33 what caused you to come 
to the conclusion you needed stints? I assume you were having symptoms of some 
sort that lead to a dr visit.

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> On Oct 13, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Back when I had my stents put in (at age 33) my cholesterol was around 170. 
> They put me on a statin which chewed up my back, it felt like somebody had 
> put a handful of sand in each joint. My cholesterol was 140 when I quit 
> taking it. It took 6 months or more for my back to feel normal. I told my 
> cardiologist I was NEVER doing that again. He shrugged and admitted I 
> probably didn't need it anyway.
> Current research suggests our "understanding" of cholesterol is probably weak 
> at best and possibly completely faulty.
> 
> Losing weight wont hurt you, it'd be a good idea to increase your activity 
> too. Start slow, walk for 10 minutes twice a day. I've been building up for 
> the last two months, I'm up to a mile run with no issue at a relatively slow 
> pace. Stretching my distance and pace now. Current goal is 2 miles without 
> having to walk. Then I want to get under 10 min miles.
> Interestingly I haven't lost any weight but my legs have changed shape 
> considerably.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> So I have realized I am probably at least 40lbs overweight. Sunday night I 
> thought I might be having a heart attack so went to the er where everything 
> came back good. My blood pressure was way too high at about 180/80 when I 
> came in but was down to about 150/80. They did not seem concerned. So they 
> sent me to get monitor put on that I wore for the last 2 days. Did not really 
> have any problems so I don't except they will get anything off that. I think 
> I may have just had a panic attack or something. Thinking about being too 
> fat, thinking about a coworker who is my age who had a heart attack last 
> year, and thinking about how I am already probably at risk due to my father 
> who has heart problems and my grandfather had heart problems.  I also think 
> it could have something to do with the Cpap. Since I have started using it I 
> seem to sometimes had a weird feeling almost like a lung issue or just 
> muscular soreness in my diaphragm. 
> 
> I have high cholesterol and the dr had me on a statin which I am really not 
> sure about. I have not taken in for about 6 months because the refills ran 
> out and they won't refill them until I come can in. Earliest appointment is 
> next month, which I set several months ago.
> 
> So anyway I have decided to cut out all sugar and most cards, trying to stay 
> around 20 carbs a day but at least under 50. Maybe a sort of extreme keto or 
> whatever they call it diet. Anybody btdt?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I had never run because I "couldn't" now I want to run a primitive biathlon so 
I need to run. Turns out it's easier than I'd thought although still pretty 
hard. It took a couple weeks before I started to see any improvement. Now OK 
Don humbles me, his walks are the same speed as my runs...
Curt

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  On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   I have knee issues that make it really 
hard on me when running, so I walk or bike.  If you do the gym thing the 
elliptical is good, too.  I just can’t take the shock of running on the knees, 
it makes them hurt like heck and swell up slightly.

Of course, with weight loss the knees and other parts of your body aren’t 
abused nearly as much, either…

-D



> On Oct 13, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Back when I had my stents put in (at age 33) my cholesterol was around 170. 
> They put me on a statin which chewed up my back, it felt like somebody had 
> put a handful of sand in each joint. My cholesterol was 140 when I quit 
> taking it. It took 6 months or more for my back to feel normal. I told my 
> cardiologist I was NEVER doing that again. He shrugged and admitted I 
> probably didn't need it anyway.Current research suggests our "understanding" 
> of cholesterol is probably weak at best and possibly completely faulty.
> Losing weight wont hurt you, it'd be a good idea to increase your activity 
> too. Start slow, walk for 10 minutes twice a day. I've been building up for 
> the last two months, I'm up to a mile run with no issue at a relatively slow 
> pace. Stretching my distance and pace now. Current goal is 2 miles without 
> having to walk. Then I want to get under 10 min miles.Interestingly I haven't 
> lost any weight but my legs have changed shape considerably.
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 


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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

If you really need an oral antibacterial melaleuca oil works great. Doesn't 
taste terrific but the effect passes quickly.
Curt

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  On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 9:00 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:   Speaking of which, back in the early '70's when I was a "professional"
mechanic (a shop paid me to work on other people's cars), I developed a
wart on the second knuckle of my middle finger (I forget which hand) that
would bleed like a stuck hog when ever I even got close to a radiator. My
Dad bought a tube of some magic cream that was supposed to chemically burn
off the wart. It sounded painful and inconvenient, so I just put the tube
in the medicine cabinet and forgot about it. The wart disappeared, and is
still gone. eventually the cream ate through the tube, and I had to throw
it away. Luckily, the wart still did not return.

This process happened again a few years ago. The dentist told me I needed
to rinse my mouth with this awful anti-bacteria stuff to cure some bleeding
when I flossed. One of the side effects was that it killed your sense of
taste, and this was just before Thanksgiving. No way was I going to lose my
sense of taste before the tastiest holiday of the year. I put the bottle of
the stuff beside the sink, unopened, and the bleeding stopped. My wife now
swears by the wart medicine effect . . .

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 5:06 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Medico wanted me to give them a try based on some numbers.  That was
> almost two decades ago.  I have been symptom free ever since.
>
> Oh, I never took the things.
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So at age 33 what caused you to come to the conclusion you needed stints? I 
assume you were having symptoms of some sort that lead to a dr visit.

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> On Oct 13, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Back when I had my stents put in (at age 33) my cholesterol was around 170. 
> They put me on a statin which chewed up my back, it felt like somebody had 
> put a handful of sand in each joint. My cholesterol was 140 when I quit 
> taking it. It took 6 months or more for my back to feel normal. I told my 
> cardiologist I was NEVER doing that again. He shrugged and admitted I 
> probably didn't need it anyway.
> Current research suggests our "understanding" of cholesterol is probably weak 
> at best and possibly completely faulty.
> 
> Losing weight wont hurt you, it'd be a good idea to increase your activity 
> too. Start slow, walk for 10 minutes twice a day. I've been building up for 
> the last two months, I'm up to a mile run with no issue at a relatively slow 
> pace. Stretching my distance and pace now. Current goal is 2 miles without 
> having to walk. Then I want to get under 10 min miles.
> Interestingly I haven't lost any weight but my legs have changed shape 
> considerably.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> So I have realized I am probably at least 40lbs overweight. Sunday night I 
> thought I might be having a heart attack so went to the er where everything 
> came back good. My blood pressure was way too high at about 180/80 when I 
> came in but was down to about 150/80. They did not seem concerned. So they 
> sent me to get monitor put on that I wore for the last 2 days. Did not really 
> have any problems so I don't except they will get anything off that. I think 
> I may have just had a panic attack or something. Thinking about being too 
> fat, thinking about a coworker who is my age who had a heart attack last 
> year, and thinking about how I am already probably at risk due to my father 
> who has heart problems and my grandfather had heart problems.  I also think 
> it could have something to do with the Cpap. Since I have started using it I 
> seem to sometimes had a weird feeling almost like a lung issue or just 
> muscular soreness in my diaphragm. 
> 
> I have high cholesterol and the dr had me on a statin which I am really not 
> sure about. I have not taken in for about 6 months because the refills ran 
> out and they won't refill them until I come can in. Earliest appointment is 
> next month, which I set several months ago.
> 
> So anyway I have decided to cut out all sugar and most cards, trying to stay 
> around 20 carbs a day but at least under 50. Maybe a sort of extreme keto or 
> whatever they call it diet. Anybody btdt?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have knee issues that make it really hard on me when running, so I walk or 
bike.  If you do the gym thing the elliptical is good, too.  I just can’t take 
the shock of running on the knees, it makes them hurt like heck and swell up 
slightly.

Of course, with weight loss the knees and other parts of your body aren’t 
abused nearly as much, either…

-D



> On Oct 13, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Back when I had my stents put in (at age 33) my cholesterol was around 170. 
> They put me on a statin which chewed up my back, it felt like somebody had 
> put a handful of sand in each joint. My cholesterol was 140 when I quit 
> taking it. It took 6 months or more for my back to feel normal. I told my 
> cardiologist I was NEVER doing that again. He shrugged and admitted I 
> probably didn't need it anyway.Current research suggests our "understanding" 
> of cholesterol is probably weak at best and possibly completely faulty.
> Losing weight wont hurt you, it'd be a good idea to increase your activity 
> too. Start slow, walk for 10 minutes twice a day. I've been building up for 
> the last two months, I'm up to a mile run with no issue at a relatively slow 
> pace. Stretching my distance and pace now. Current goal is 2 miles without 
> having to walk. Then I want to get under 10 min miles.Interestingly I haven't 
> lost any weight but my legs have changed shape considerably.
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 


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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Back when I had my stents put in (at age 33) my cholesterol was around 170. 
They put me on a statin which chewed up my back, it felt like somebody had put 
a handful of sand in each joint. My cholesterol was 140 when I quit taking it. 
It took 6 months or more for my back to feel normal. I told my cardiologist I 
was NEVER doing that again. He shrugged and admitted I probably didn't need it 
anyway.Current research suggests our "understanding" of cholesterol is probably 
weak at best and possibly completely faulty.
Losing weight wont hurt you, it'd be a good idea to increase your activity too. 
Start slow, walk for 10 minutes twice a day. I've been building up for the last 
two months, I'm up to a mile run with no issue at a relatively slow pace. 
Stretching my distance and pace now. Current goal is 2 miles without having to 
walk. Then I want to get under 10 min miles.Interestingly I haven't lost any 
weight but my legs have changed shape considerably.

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via 
Mercedes wrote:   So I have realized I am probably at 
least 40lbs overweight. Sunday night I thought I might be having a heart attack 
so went to the er where everything came back good. My blood pressure was way 
too high at about 180/80 when I came in but was down to about 150/80. They did 
not seem concerned. So they sent me to get monitor put on that I wore for the 
last 2 days. Did not really have any problems so I don't except they will get 
anything off that. I think I may have just had a panic attack or something. 
Thinking about being too fat, thinking about a coworker who is my age who had a 
heart attack last year, and thinking about how I am already probably at risk 
due to my father who has heart problems and my grandfather had heart problems.  
I also think it could have something to do with the Cpap. Since I have started 
using it I seem to sometimes had a weird feeling almost like a lung issue or 
just muscular soreness in my diaphragm. 

I have high cholesterol and the dr had me on a statin which I am really not 
sure about. I have not taken in for about 6 months because the refills ran out 
and they won't refill them until I come can in. Earliest appointment is next 
month, which I set several months ago.

So anyway I have decided to cut out all sugar and most cards, trying to stay 
around 20 carbs a day but at least under 50. Maybe a sort of extreme keto or 
whatever they call it diet. Anybody btdt?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:29:04 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Good thing you're in an arid climate. If there was open water around
> you I suspect you would feel obligated to start swimming upstream once
> a year

Touché!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Binary switch or logic switch depending on how you look at it.  The 
studies "for" statins have funding from statin producers.  Those 
"against" statins are not funded by the the statin producers.  go figger...



Mountain Man via Mercedes 
October 12, 2017 at 3:29 PM

This "Dan" said "No" to statins ten years ago also. Some people do
well with statins but there is much out there that speaks against
statins, also.
tin.man


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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

+1
Brian Peskin:  +1 more
Dr. Joel Wallach, M.D., DVM  +1 more

and lotsa others


Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
October 12, 2017 at 1:34 PM
‎

If the gentleman that discovered statins won't take them because he 
believes they are poison, why would I?


Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Read the research NOT paid for by the drug companies.  Death rate WITH 
statins is higher than without.  Drug funded research says 
otherwise  Docs are trained by the drug pushers.

Statins will not help at best, and at worst will kill ya!


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
October 12, 2017 at 1:21 PM
My overweight friend says statins are safe and should be taken daily 
by all

men over 50 regardless of their blood chemistry. He's been taking them for
years and should be dead by now due to his overweight problem and other
health issues, but isn't, so I credit the statins for this.



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[OK Don via Mercedes]

Speaking of which, back in the early '70's when I was a "professional"
mechanic (a shop paid me to work on other people's cars), I developed a
wart on the second knuckle of my middle finger (I forget which hand) that
would bleed like a stuck hog when ever I even got close to a radiator. My
Dad bought a tube of some magic cream that was supposed to chemically burn
off the wart. It sounded painful and inconvenient, so I just put the tube
in the medicine cabinet and forgot about it. The wart disappeared, and is
still gone. eventually the cream ate through the tube, and I had to throw
it away. Luckily, the wart still did not return.

This process happened again a few years ago. The dentist told me I needed
to rinse my mouth with this awful anti-bacteria stuff to cure some bleeding
when I flossed. One of the side effects was that it killed your sense of
taste, and this was just before Thanksgiving. No way was I going to lose my
sense of taste before the tastiest holiday of the year. I put the bottle of
the stuff beside the sink, unopened, and the bleeding stopped. My wife now
swears by the wart medicine effect . . .

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 5:06 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Medico wanted me to give them a try based on some numbers.  That was
> almost two decades ago.  I have been symptom free ever since.
>
> Oh, I never took the things.
>
>
>


-- 
OK Don

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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Exercise and restrict carbs should work pretty well.  Watch the fat calorie 
intake, you don't want to over-do the calories -- eat lots of veggies and 
salads with non sweetened dressings.  Sugar, it turns out, causes all sorts of 
problems, including coronary artery disease, high cholesterol, and diabetes 
along with severe weight gain.  Starch (which is all glucose) isn't as bad, 
although you can overdose on that too.  The problem is the fructose, which is 
not normally found in large amounts in nature except in ripe fruit, which 
digests slowly.  High fructose corn syrup is the worst, by far, but white sugar 
isn't good for you either.

There is no evidence that I know of that indicates people without coronary 
artery disease benefit from statins, and certainly none that indicates statins 
AND changes in diet and exercise reduce heart disease more than diet/exercise 
changes alone.  They do appear to help when there is evidence of coronary 
artery disease and high LDL, but since there is, at least as far as I know at 
the moment, no defined mechanism by which high LDL cholesterol CAUSES heart 
disease, I'd not take them.  Too many very serious side effects for no known 
benefit.  I believe, as does a goodly portion of the scientific community, that 
coronary artery disease is an inflammation problem made worse by high 
cholesterol. not caused by it.  I suspect trans fats are a much worse problem.

My father died at 51 from a coronary infarct (heart attack) following 
congestive heart failure from decades of high blood pressure in 1976.  No 
stents, no significant beta blockers, no high blood pressure meds, etc.  
Terrible coronary artery disease, again probably from a lifetime of eating 
trans fats.  Mom fixed everything from natural sources (lard instead of Crisco, 
for instance) and other than margarine when I lived at home, I've stayed away 
from hydrogenated fats since I was an undergrad -- the Doctoral student in my 
research lab was convinced that trans fats were poison as they cannot be 
metabolized -- she was a lipid scientist, and I firmly believe she is right.

I had some severe congestive heart failure a couple years ago due to some kind 
of viral infection, but have zero coronary artery disease, high but not 
treatable triglyderides and cholesterol (unchanged from 1983) and BP that runs 
around 150/90.  According to my cardiologist, I should live forever.

Lose the 40 lbs, you will breathe MUCH better, feel much better, and sleep 
better.  I dropped 20 over the last couple years, and need to get serious about 
getting another 20 or so off, it's mostly internal belly fat, the worst kind 
and the stuff that interferes with breathing.  Sadly, I lost most of mine when 
I had a broken ankle in Dec, and was incapacitated for four weeks, had to 
depend on my 93 year old mother to get meals during the day.  She fed me a lot 
less than I normally eat, it was a good thing.  Now that my ankle will tolerate 
normal activities, I need to get out and get moving, probably need to walk 30 
min a day or so.



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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

You sunk my battleship!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 12, 2017 5:51:45 PM EDT, rkmercedes via Mercedes 
 wrote:
> Z8 
>
>

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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Medico wanted me to give them a try based on some numbers.  That was almost two 
decades ago.  I have been symptom free ever since.

Oh, I never took the things.  

maybe  I drop dead one day


clay
 Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical 
minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the 
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the 
clean end.



> On Oct 12, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My overweight friend says statins are safe and should be taken daily by all
> men over 50 regardless of their blood chemistry. He's been taking them for
> years and should be dead by now due to his overweight problem and other
> health issues, but isn't, so I credit the statins for this.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < 

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think portion control is one of the major concerns when one is looking to 
lose weight/eat healthy.  A while ago I did the “cut everything in half and 
only eat half” approach and it definitely had a positive effect on me.  My 
typical daily routine is a tall glass of “crappaccino” (Lots of milk with 
espresso) for breakfast, a yogurt for lunch, and a good dinner.

I might swap that around for a good lunch and yogurt or something very light 
for “dinner”.

Weight/health is a concern due to my job being relatively sedentary.  I do get 
up and walk every morning, lunch and afternoon for about 6-8 blocks each time 
unless the weather is really lousy.  I also take the stairs between floors when 
possible.

-D


> On Oct 12, 2017, at 4:42 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I was up to 200 when we bought our current house. Wife and I replaced the
> floor and painted the whole thing (inside) before we moved in. I lost 20
> lbs. just from that increased activity. I've since reduced the portions
> that I eat, and have reduced the red meat (though not eliminated at all)
> and increased veggies, fruits, and nuts. that plus walking 2 miles a day
> (in 28 minutes) and I'm down to 172 this morning.
> My blood pressure has been borderline high - I started drinking 3 - 5 cups
> of hibiscus tea a day - brought it down between 5 and 10 points (depending
> on the day). This was before the increased exercise).
> The hibiscus is the pure stuff, not the crap in bags with all kinds of
> other stuff: http://www.sfherb.com/Hibiscus-Flowers-Cut--1-Lb_p_13.html
> My wife doesn't have blood pressure issues, but drinks a couple of cups a
> day just because she likes it . . .
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[rkmercedes via Mercedes]

 Z8 


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 Original message From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 10/12/17  3:05 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 'Mercedes 
Discussion List' <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
<greg.fiorent...@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbs 
I try to keep carbs down to a reasonable level. One way that works for me is to 
think of veggies. An example is cauliflower rice. I get the big bag of this 
fresh at Costco. I use this instead of rice for a stir fry. It has the texture 
of rice and works well to absorb a sauce or gravy. I've lost about 35 lbs. 
without going crazy just by cutting down on carbs and making sure I have a big 
portion of veggies with dinner to fill me up. Exercise bike and walks help too.

Greg

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Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 11:17 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
Subject: [MBZ] Carbs

So I have realized I am probably at least 40lbs overweight. Sunday night I 
thought I might be having a heart attack so went to the er where everything 
came back good. My blood pressure was way too high at about 180/80 when I came 
in but was down to about 150/80. They did not seem concerned. So they sent me 
to get monitor put on that I wore for the last 2 days. Did not really have any 
problems so I don't except they will get anything off that. I think I may have 
just had a panic attack or something. Thinking about being too fat, thinking 
about a coworker who is my age who had a heart attack last year, and thinking 
about how I am already probably at risk due to my father who has heart problems 
and my grandfather had heart problems.  I also think it could have something to 
do with the Cpap. Since I have started using it I seem to sometimes had a weird 
feeling almost like a lung issue or just muscular soreness in my diaphragm. 

I have high cholesterol and the dr had me on a statin which I am really not 
sure about. I have not taken in for about 6 months because the refills ran out 
and they won't refill them until I come can in. Earliest appointment is next 
month, which I set several months ago.

So anyway I have decided to cut out all sugar and most cards, trying to stay 
around 20 carbs a day but at least under 50. Maybe a sort of extreme keto or 
whatever they call it diet. Anybody btdt?

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Good thing you're in an arid climate. If there was open water around you I 
suspect you would feel obligated to start swimming upstream once a year

-D

> On Oct 12, 2017, at 4:40 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Eat anything you want, any time you want.. as long as you walk 5 miles to
> eat it, and 5 miles back home..
> 
> You'll be good.
> 
> As a alternate to statins, try 100% Salmon Oil, Don't buy the fake stuff..
> any decent health food place will have the "good stuff". 2,000 units per
> day should get you sorted out. It has a cumulative effect, so take it every
> day. One pill is 1,000 units.. so one in morn, one at evening. No side
> effects.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> If you're not diabetic I wouldn't focus on carbs, focus on all calories
>> but be sure to keep sufficient protein in your diet.  My Fitness Buddy app
>> is what I used, lost about 20 lbs over a year.  I also added some easy
>> exercise (walking) which I do every day and twice on Sunday.
>> 
>> Starting and keeping to a diet is hard but the app tracks your weight and
>> waist measurement over time and charts them; watching the steady progress
>> toward your goal is motivating.  Key is making changes to your life that
>> are easy to do forever, that won't become a chore that you are then going
>> to be tempted to avoid.
>> --
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>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Mao is correct. I did my due diligence and was not pleased with what I found. 
Doctor concurred, but played it as a "which is worse" kind of scenario and 
gladly accepted my willingness to take a healthier approach.

Unfortunately, I haven't kept up with spinning due to things beyond my control, 
but I do walk regularly and pay attention to what I eat.

-D

> On Oct 12, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> -D wrote:
>> Internist tried putting me on statins about ten years ago. I told her "No".
> 
> This "Dan" said "No" to statins ten years ago also.  Some people do
> well with statins but there is much out there that speaks against
> statins, also.
> tin.man
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I was up to 200 when we bought our current house. Wife and I replaced the
floor and painted the whole thing (inside) before we moved in. I lost 20
lbs. just from that increased activity. I've since reduced the portions
that I eat, and have reduced the red meat (though not eliminated at all)
and increased veggies, fruits, and nuts. that plus walking 2 miles a day
(in 28 minutes) and I'm down to 172 this morning.
My blood pressure has been borderline high - I started drinking 3 - 5 cups
of hibiscus tea a day - brought it down between 5 and 10 points (depending
on the day). This was before the increased exercise).
The hibiscus is the pure stuff, not the crap in bags with all kinds of
other stuff: http://www.sfherb.com/Hibiscus-Flowers-Cut--1-Lb_p_13.html
My wife doesn't have blood pressure issues, but drinks a couple of cups a
day just because she likes it . . .

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I thought you lost more weight than that, must have shed the fat (inches)
> and packed on the muscle...
> --
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> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On October 12, 2017 3:40:58 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >Exactly a year ago for various reasons I decided to make some life
> >changes which included drinking much less alcohol (no problem with it,
> >I just enjoy my home brews, decent wines, and a nightcap of interesting
> >grain-based products!) and eating much less meat and a lot more veg,
> >fish mostly when I eat meat, and less carb. And an occasional dessert.
> >I have vegan/vegetarian friends who ride my ass too, and the farmstand
> >is at the end of my driveway which makes it very easy to get wonderful
> >fresh veg any time.
> >
> >It took a few weeks to get into a “new normal “ but I did and I don’t
> >really miss all that stuff much now. And if I do eat red meat or have
> >more than a beer or wine or two I don’t feel quite well. I still have
> >some if I feel like it, but I don’t feel like it that much. So my body
> >has adapted to the “new normal “ and I kinda like it. I ride my bike
> >when I can but not near as much as I want. If I eat out I try to get
> >stuff that is not meat, salt, fat , sugar etc.
> >
> >Scale this morning shows -24lb from 202 in about 10 months, with no
> >massive crash effort, and my older clothes fit now!  I actually feel
> >better too, and I think sleep better, and less than I used to. Oh, and
> >the system flow is quite regular and easy!
> >
> >You might also want to get your thyroid checked, if low output you can
> >gain weight, low energy, poor sleep, etc. it’s easy to fix, one little
> >pill a day.
> >
> >Good luck!  If you need help or reassurance or support feel free to
> >reach out.
> >
> >--R
> >Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 12, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> So I have realized I am probably at least 40lbs overweight. Sunday
> >night I thought I might be having a heart attack so went to the er
> >where everything came back good. My blood pressure was way too high at
> >about 180/80 when I came in but was down to about 150/80. They did not
> >seem concerned. So they sent me to get monitor put on that I wore for
> >the last 2 days. Did not really have any problems so I don't except
> >they will get anything off that. I think I may have just had a panic
> >attack or something. Thinking about being too fat, thinking about a
> >coworker who is my age who had a heart attack last year, and thinking
> >about how I am already probably at risk due to my father who has heart
> >problems and my grandfather had heart problems.  I also think it could
> >have something to do with the Cpap. Since I have started using it I
> >seem to sometimes had a weird feeling almost like a lung issue or just
> >muscular soreness in my diaphragm.
> >>
> >> I have high cholesterol and the dr had me on a statin which I am
> >really not sure about. I have not taken in for about 6 months because
> >the refills ran out and they won't refill them until I come can in.
> >Earliest appointment is next month, which I set several months ago.
> >>
> >> So anyway I have decided to cut out all sugar and most cards, trying
> >to stay around 20 carbs a day but at least under 50. Maybe a sort of
> >extreme keto or whatever they call it diet. Anybody btdt?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Eat anything you want, any time you want.. as long as you walk 5 miles to
eat it, and 5 miles back home..

You'll be good.

As a alternate to statins, try 100% Salmon Oil, Don't buy the fake stuff..
any decent health food place will have the "good stuff". 2,000 units per
day should get you sorted out. It has a cumulative effect, so take it every
day. One pill is 1,000 units.. so one in morn, one at evening. No side
effects.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If you're not diabetic I wouldn't focus on carbs, focus on all calories
> but be sure to keep sufficient protein in your diet.  My Fitness Buddy app
> is what I used, lost about 20 lbs over a year.  I also added some easy
> exercise (walking) which I do every day and twice on Sunday.
>
> Starting and keeping to a diet is hard but the app tracks your weight and
> waist measurement over time and charts them; watching the steady progress
> toward your goal is motivating.  Key is making changes to your life that
> are easy to do forever, that won't become a chore that you are then going
> to be tempted to avoid.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Max, how does the app track your weight?

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I thought you lost more weight than that, must have shed the fat (inches)
> and packed on the muscle...
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On October 12, 2017 3:40:58 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >Exactly a year ago for various reasons I decided to make some life
> >changes which included drinking much less alcohol (no problem with it,
> >I just enjoy my home brews, decent wines, and a nightcap of interesting
> >grain-based products!) and eating much less meat and a lot more veg,
> >fish mostly when I eat meat, and less carb. And an occasional dessert.
> >I have vegan/vegetarian friends who ride my ass too, and the farmstand
> >is at the end of my driveway which makes it very easy to get wonderful
> >fresh veg any time.
> >
> >It took a few weeks to get into a “new normal “ but I did and I don’t
> >really miss all that stuff much now. And if I do eat red meat or have
> >more than a beer or wine or two I don’t feel quite well. I still have
> >some if I feel like it, but I don’t feel like it that much. So my body
> >has adapted to the “new normal “ and I kinda like it. I ride my bike
> >when I can but not near as much as I want. If I eat out I try to get
> >stuff that is not meat, salt, fat , sugar etc.
> >
> >Scale this morning shows -24lb from 202 in about 10 months, with no
> >massive crash effort, and my older clothes fit now!  I actually feel
> >better too, and I think sleep better, and less than I used to. Oh, and
> >the system flow is quite regular and easy!
> >
> >You might also want to get your thyroid checked, if low output you can
> >gain weight, low energy, poor sleep, etc. it’s easy to fix, one little
> >pill a day.
> >
> >Good luck!  If you need help or reassurance or support feel free to
> >reach out.
> >
> >--R
> >Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 12, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> So I have realized I am probably at least 40lbs overweight. Sunday
> >night I thought I might be having a heart attack so went to the er
> >where everything came back good. My blood pressure was way too high at
> >about 180/80 when I came in but was down to about 150/80. They did not
> >seem concerned. So they sent me to get monitor put on that I wore for
> >the last 2 days. Did not really have any problems so I don't except
> >they will get anything off that. I think I may have just had a panic
> >attack or something. Thinking about being too fat, thinking about a
> >coworker who is my age who had a heart attack last year, and thinking
> >about how I am already probably at risk due to my father who has heart
> >problems and my grandfather had heart problems.  I also think it could
> >have something to do with the Cpap. Since I have started using it I
> >seem to sometimes had a weird feeling almost like a lung issue or just
> >muscular soreness in my diaphragm.
> >>
> >> I have high cholesterol and the dr had me on a statin which I am
> >really not sure about. I have not taken in for about 6 months because
> >the refills ran out and they won't refill them until I come can in.
> >Earliest appointment is next month, which I set several months ago.
> >>
> >> So anyway I have decided to cut out all sugar and most cards, trying
> >to stay around 20 carbs a day but at least under 50. Maybe a sort of
> >extreme keto or whatever they call it diet. Anybody btdt?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I thought you lost more weight than that, must have shed the fat (inches) and 
packed on the muscle...
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 12, 2017 3:40:58 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Exactly a year ago for various reasons I decided to make some life
>changes which included drinking much less alcohol (no problem with it,
>I just enjoy my home brews, decent wines, and a nightcap of interesting
>grain-based products!) and eating much less meat and a lot more veg,
>fish mostly when I eat meat, and less carb. And an occasional dessert.
>I have vegan/vegetarian friends who ride my ass too, and the farmstand
>is at the end of my driveway which makes it very easy to get wonderful
>fresh veg any time. 
>
>It took a few weeks to get into a “new normal “ but I did and I don’t
>really miss all that stuff much now. And if I do eat red meat or have
>more than a beer or wine or two I don’t feel quite well. I still have
>some if I feel like it, but I don’t feel like it that much. So my body
>has adapted to the “new normal “ and I kinda like it. I ride my bike
>when I can but not near as much as I want. If I eat out I try to get
>stuff that is not meat, salt, fat , sugar etc. 
>
>Scale this morning shows -24lb from 202 in about 10 months, with no
>massive crash effort, and my older clothes fit now!  I actually feel
>better too, and I think sleep better, and less than I used to. Oh, and
>the system flow is quite regular and easy!
>
>You might also want to get your thyroid checked, if low output you can
>gain weight, low energy, poor sleep, etc. it’s easy to fix, one little
>pill a day. 
>
>Good luck!  If you need help or reassurance or support feel free to
>reach out. 
>
>--R
>Sent from iPhone
>
>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> So I have realized I am probably at least 40lbs overweight. Sunday
>night I thought I might be having a heart attack so went to the er
>where everything came back good. My blood pressure was way too high at
>about 180/80 when I came in but was down to about 150/80. They did not
>seem concerned. So they sent me to get monitor put on that I wore for
>the last 2 days. Did not really have any problems so I don't except
>they will get anything off that. I think I may have just had a panic
>attack or something. Thinking about being too fat, thinking about a
>coworker who is my age who had a heart attack last year, and thinking
>about how I am already probably at risk due to my father who has heart
>problems and my grandfather had heart problems.  I also think it could
>have something to do with the Cpap. Since I have started using it I
>seem to sometimes had a weird feeling almost like a lung issue or just
>muscular soreness in my diaphragm. 
>> 
>> I have high cholesterol and the dr had me on a statin which I am
>really not sure about. I have not taken in for about 6 months because
>the refills ran out and they won't refill them until I come can in.
>Earliest appointment is next month, which I set several months ago.
>> 
>> So anyway I have decided to cut out all sugar and most cards, trying
>to stay around 20 carbs a day but at least under 50. Maybe a sort of
>extreme keto or whatever they call it diet. Anybody btdt?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

If you're not diabetic I wouldn't focus on carbs, focus on all calories but be 
sure to keep sufficient protein in your diet.  My Fitness Buddy app is what I 
used, lost about 20 lbs over a year.  I also added some easy exercise (walking) 
which I do every day and twice on Sunday.

Starting and keeping to a diet is hard but the app tracks your weight and waist 
measurement over time and charts them; watching the steady progress toward your 
goal is motivating.  Key is making changes to your life that are easy to do 
forever, that won't become a chore that you are then going to be tempted to 
avoid.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-D wrote:
> Internist tried putting me on statins about ten years ago. I told her "No".

This "Dan" said "No" to statins ten years ago also.  Some people do
well with statins but there is much out there that speaks against
statins, also.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Hmm.  I sleep lousy. Maybe I should have my thyroid checked.  My mom had
thyroid issues.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Exactly a year ago for various reasons I decided to make some life changes
> which included drinking much less alcohol (no problem with it, I just enjoy
> my home brews, decent wines, and a nightcap of interesting grain-based
> products!) and eating much less meat and a lot more veg, fish mostly when I
> eat meat, and less carb. And an occasional dessert. I have vegan/vegetarian
> friends who ride my ass too, and the farmstand is at the end of my driveway
> which makes it very easy to get wonderful fresh veg any time.
>
> It took a few weeks to get into a “new normal “ but I did and I don’t
> really miss all that stuff much now. And if I do eat red meat or have more
> than a beer or wine or two I don’t feel quite well. I still have some if I
> feel like it, but I don’t feel like it that much. So my body has adapted to
> the “new normal “ and I kinda like it. I ride my bike when I can but not
> near as much as I want. If I eat out I try to get stuff that is not meat,
> salt, fat , sugar etc.
>
> Scale this morning shows -24lb from 202 in about 10 months, with no
> massive crash effort, and my older clothes fit now!  I actually feel better
> too, and I think sleep better, and less than I used to. Oh, and the system
> flow is quite regular and easy!
>
> You might also want to get your thyroid checked, if low output you can
> gain weight, low energy, poor sleep, etc. it’s easy to fix, one little pill
> a day.
>
> Good luck!  If you need help or reassurance or support feel free to reach
> out.
>
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Oct 12, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > So I have realized I am probably at least 40lbs overweight. Sunday night
> I thought I might be having a heart attack so went to the er where
> everything came back good. My blood pressure was way too high at about
> 180/80 when I came in but was down to about 150/80. They did not seem
> concerned. So they sent me to get monitor put on that I wore for the last 2
> days. Did not really have any problems so I don't except they will get
> anything off that. I think I may have just had a panic attack or something.
> Thinking about being too fat, thinking about a coworker who is my age who
> had a heart attack last year, and thinking about how I am already probably
> at risk due to my father who has heart problems and my grandfather had
> heart problems.  I also think it could have something to do with the Cpap.
> Since I have started using it I seem to sometimes had a weird feeling
> almost like a lung issue or just muscular soreness in my diaphragm.
> >
> > I have high cholesterol and the dr had me on a statin which I am really
> not sure about. I have not taken in for about 6 months because the refills
> ran out and they won't refill them until I come can in. Earliest
> appointment is next month, which I set several months ago.
> >
> > So anyway I have decided to cut out all sugar and most cards, trying to
> stay around 20 carbs a day but at least under 50. Maybe a sort of extreme
> keto or whatever they call it diet. Anybody btdt?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Exactly a year ago for various reasons I decided to make some life changes 
which included drinking much less alcohol (no problem with it, I just enjoy my 
home brews, decent wines, and a nightcap of interesting grain-based products!) 
and eating much less meat and a lot more veg, fish mostly when I eat meat, and 
less carb. And an occasional dessert. I have vegan/vegetarian friends who ride 
my ass too, and the farmstand is at the end of my driveway which makes it very 
easy to get wonderful fresh veg any time. 

It took a few weeks to get into a “new normal “ but I did and I don’t really 
miss all that stuff much now. And if I do eat red meat or have more than a beer 
or wine or two I don’t feel quite well. I still have some if I feel like it, 
but I don’t feel like it that much. So my body has adapted to the “new normal “ 
and I kinda like it. I ride my bike when I can but not near as much as I want. 
If I eat out I try to get stuff that is not meat, salt, fat , sugar etc. 

Scale this morning shows -24lb from 202 in about 10 months, with no massive 
crash effort, and my older clothes fit now!  I actually feel better too, and I 
think sleep better, and less than I used to. Oh, and the system flow is quite 
regular and easy!

You might also want to get your thyroid checked, if low output you can gain 
weight, low energy, poor sleep, etc. it’s easy to fix, one little pill a day. 

Good luck!  If you need help or reassurance or support feel free to reach out. 

--R
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> On Oct 12, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So I have realized I am probably at least 40lbs overweight. Sunday night I 
> thought I might be having a heart attack so went to the er where everything 
> came back good. My blood pressure was way too high at about 180/80 when I 
> came in but was down to about 150/80. They did not seem concerned. So they 
> sent me to get monitor put on that I wore for the last 2 days. Did not really 
> have any problems so I don't except they will get anything off that. I think 
> I may have just had a panic attack or something. Thinking about being too 
> fat, thinking about a coworker who is my age who had a heart attack last 
> year, and thinking about how I am already probably at risk due to my father 
> who has heart problems and my grandfather had heart problems.  I also think 
> it could have something to do with the Cpap. Since I have started using it I 
> seem to sometimes had a weird feeling almost like a lung issue or just 
> muscular soreness in my diaphragm. 
> 
> I have high cholesterol and the dr had me on a statin which I am really not 
> sure about. I have not taken in for about 6 months because the refills ran 
> out and they won't refill them until I come can in. Earliest appointment is 
> next month, which I set several months ago.
> 
> So anyway I have decided to cut out all sugar and most cards, trying to stay 
> around 20 carbs a day but at least under 50. Maybe a sort of extreme keto or 
> whatever they call it diet. Anybody btdt?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I try to keep carbs down to a reasonable level. One way that works for me is to 
think of veggies. An example is cauliflower rice. I get the big bag of this 
fresh at Costco. I use this instead of rice for a stir fry. It has the texture 
of rice and works well to absorb a sauce or gravy. I've lost about 35 lbs. 
without going crazy just by cutting down on carbs and making sure I have a big 
portion of veggies with dinner to fill me up. Exercise bike and walks help too.

Greg

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Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 11:17 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
Subject: [MBZ] Carbs

So I have realized I am probably at least 40lbs overweight. Sunday night I 
thought I might be having a heart attack so went to the er where everything 
came back good. My blood pressure was way too high at about 180/80 when I came 
in but was down to about 150/80. They did not seem concerned. So they sent me 
to get monitor put on that I wore for the last 2 days. Did not really have any 
problems so I don't except they will get anything off that. I think I may have 
just had a panic attack or something. Thinking about being too fat, thinking 
about a coworker who is my age who had a heart attack last year, and thinking 
about how I am already probably at risk due to my father who has heart problems 
and my grandfather had heart problems.  I also think it could have something to 
do with the Cpap. Since I have started using it I seem to sometimes had a weird 
feeling almost like a lung issue or just muscular soreness in my diaphragm. 

I have high cholesterol and the dr had me on a statin which I am really not 
sure about. I have not taken in for about 6 months because the refills ran out 
and they won't refill them until I come can in. Earliest appointment is next 
month, which I set several months ago.

So anyway I have decided to cut out all sugar and most cards, trying to stay 
around 20 carbs a day but at least under 50. Maybe a sort of extreme keto or 
whatever they call it diet. Anybody btdt?

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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Oh, and it's not a diet, it's a lifestyle change. You go back to eating crap, 
and drinking gallons of pop you'll be overweight again in no time. 

‎http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3289664

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3405842

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3406845

If you're not into reading, you can watch / listen to this. Warning, she has a 
bit of a shrill voice. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4DNYdnuWGs=em

Heck, watch them all. Or pick and choose. 

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC61A-gdOvrzm4xGsZPMMuOA

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Internist tried putting me on statins about ten years ago. I told her "No".

I started working out by spinning (hard core stationary bike) four times a 
week.  My numbers dropped significantly, and I didn't change a thing when it 
came to diet.

Your work situation doesn't lend itself to regularly scheduled workouts, but 
maybe you can try walking or biking as often as possible?

-D

> On Oct 12, 2017, at 2:28 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Seconded.  Statins do help.
> 
> Check with your sleep specialist; perhaps your CPAP needs to be turned down
> a notch?
> 
> -MMM-
> 
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> My overweight friend says statins are safe and should be taken daily by all
>> men over 50 regardless of their blood chemistry. He's been taking them for
>> years and should be dead by now due to his overweight problem and other
>> health issues, but isn't, so I credit the statins for this.
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> So I have realized I am probably at least 40lbs overweight. Sunday night
>> I
>>> thought I might be having a heart attack so went to the er where
>> everything
>>> came back good. My blood pressure was way too high at about 180/80 when I
>>> came in but was down to about 150/80. They did not seem concerned. So
>> they
>>> sent me to get monitor put on that I wore for the last 2 days. Did not
>>> really have any problems so I don't except they will get anything off
>> that.
>>> I think I may have just had a panic attack or something. Thinking about
>>> being too fat, thinking about a coworker who is my age who had a heart
>>> attack last year, and thinking about how I am already probably at risk
>> due
>>> to my father who has heart problems and my grandfather had heart
>> problems.
>>> I also think it could have something to do with the Cpap. Since I have
>>> started using it I seem to sometimes had a weird feeling almost like a
>> lung
>>> issue or just muscular soreness in my diaphragm.
>>> 
>>> I have high cholesterol and the dr had me on a statin which I am really
>>> not sure about. I have not taken in for about 6 months because the
>> refills
>>> ran out and they won't refill them until I come can in. Earliest
>>> appointment is next month, which I set several months ago.
>>> 
>>> So anyway I have decided to cut out all sugar and most cards, trying to
>>> stay around 20 carbs a day but at least under 50. Maybe a sort of extreme
>>> keto or whatever they call it diet. Anybody btdt?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Kaleb asks:

>So anyway I have decided to cut out all >sugar and most cards, trying to stay 
>>around 20 carbs a day but at least under >50. Maybe a sort of extreme keto or 
>>whatever they call it diet. Anybody btdt?

Yep. Lost 45 pounds. 
Ask Alex G. on Banned, or FB. 
You gotta exercise too.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎Andy sez>

>My overweight friend says statins are >safe and should be taken daily by all
>men over 50 regardless of their blood >chemistry.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/news-blog/cholesterol-drug-scientist-receives-2008-09-12/

A 2006 profile of Endo noted that he briefly took Mevacor, a Merck statin 
produced with a fungal byproduct close to the one he discovered. But Endo 
stopped taking it, and when a doctor found he still had elevated LDL, he 
decreased his levels by exercising, he told the Wall Street Journal. 

When asked why, he gave the Journal a cryptic answer in the form of a Japanese 
proverb: "The indigo dyer wears white trousers."

http://www.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_indigo_dyer_wears_white_trousers_mean

If the gentleman that discovered statins won't take them because he believes 
they are poison, why would I? 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Seconded.  Statins do help.

Check with your sleep specialist; perhaps your CPAP needs to be turned down
a notch?

-MMM-

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My overweight friend says statins are safe and should be taken daily by all
> men over 50 regardless of their blood chemistry. He's been taking them for
> years and should be dead by now due to his overweight problem and other
> health issues, but isn't, so I credit the statins for this.
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > So I have realized I am probably at least 40lbs overweight. Sunday night
> I
> > thought I might be having a heart attack so went to the er where
> everything
> > came back good. My blood pressure was way too high at about 180/80 when I
> > came in but was down to about 150/80. They did not seem concerned. So
> they
> > sent me to get monitor put on that I wore for the last 2 days. Did not
> > really have any problems so I don't except they will get anything off
> that.
> > I think I may have just had a panic attack or something. Thinking about
> > being too fat, thinking about a coworker who is my age who had a heart
> > attack last year, and thinking about how I am already probably at risk
> due
> > to my father who has heart problems and my grandfather had heart
> problems.
> > I also think it could have something to do with the Cpap. Since I have
> > started using it I seem to sometimes had a weird feeling almost like a
> lung
> > issue or just muscular soreness in my diaphragm.
> >
> > I have high cholesterol and the dr had me on a statin which I am really
> > not sure about. I have not taken in for about 6 months because the
> refills
> > ran out and they won't refill them until I come can in. Earliest
> > appointment is next month, which I set several months ago.
> >
> > So anyway I have decided to cut out all sugar and most cards, trying to
> > stay around 20 carbs a day but at least under 50. Maybe a sort of extreme
> > keto or whatever they call it diet. Anybody btdt?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My overweight friend says statins are safe and should be taken daily by all
men over 50 regardless of their blood chemistry. He's been taking them for
years and should be dead by now due to his overweight problem and other
health issues, but isn't, so I credit the statins for this.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So I have realized I am probably at least 40lbs overweight. Sunday night I
> thought I might be having a heart attack so went to the er where everything
> came back good. My blood pressure was way too high at about 180/80 when I
> came in but was down to about 150/80. They did not seem concerned. So they
> sent me to get monitor put on that I wore for the last 2 days. Did not
> really have any problems so I don't except they will get anything off that.
> I think I may have just had a panic attack or something. Thinking about
> being too fat, thinking about a coworker who is my age who had a heart
> attack last year, and thinking about how I am already probably at risk due
> to my father who has heart problems and my grandfather had heart problems.
> I also think it could have something to do with the Cpap. Since I have
> started using it I seem to sometimes had a weird feeling almost like a lung
> issue or just muscular soreness in my diaphragm.
>
> I have high cholesterol and the dr had me on a statin which I am really
> not sure about. I have not taken in for about 6 months because the refills
> ran out and they won't refill them until I come can in. Earliest
> appointment is next month, which I set several months ago.
>
> So anyway I have decided to cut out all sugar and most cards, trying to
> stay around 20 carbs a day but at least under 50. Maybe a sort of extreme
> keto or whatever they call it diet. Anybody btdt?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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[MBZ] Carbs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So I have realized I am probably at least 40lbs overweight. Sunday night I 
thought I might be having a heart attack so went to the er where everything 
came back good. My blood pressure was way too high at about 180/80 when I came 
in but was down to about 150/80. They did not seem concerned. So they sent me 
to get monitor put on that I wore for the last 2 days. Did not really have any 
problems so I don't except they will get anything off that. I think I may have 
just had a panic attack or something. Thinking about being too fat, thinking 
about a coworker who is my age who had a heart attack last year, and thinking 
about how I am already probably at risk due to my father who has heart problems 
and my grandfather had heart problems.  I also think it could have something to 
do with the Cpap. Since I have started using it I seem to sometimes had a weird 
feeling almost like a lung issue or just muscular soreness in my diaphragm. 

I have high cholesterol and the dr had me on a statin which I am really not 
sure about. I have not taken in for about 6 months because the refills ran out 
and they won't refill them until I come can in. Earliest appointment is next 
month, which I set several months ago.

So anyway I have decided to cut out all sugar and most cards, trying to stay 
around 20 carbs a day but at least under 50. Maybe a sort of extreme keto or 
whatever they call it diet. Anybody btdt?

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