Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Did the same thing with my triple slider doors that open on to our lanai.  A 
couple of the bearings in the door rollers were failing and they made some 
awful noise. Since replacement involves removing the doors to get at the 
rollers, I had to wait until the weather was milder to do it.

Now they glide smoothly without a sound.  Good for another 10-15 years for an 
hour’s work and maybe $30 worth of parts.

Did the same with the pocket door between the bathroom and master bedroom.  The 
payoff was even greater since I am up at 5:00 and now closing the door doesn’t 
make any noise….

It’s the simple fixes that are often the most rewarding.

-D 

 
> On Feb 14, 2017, at 11:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My thoughts exactly.  I recently fixed my sliding closet doors, which had
> been dragging noisily in the track. Now they glide effortlessly.  I'm in
> heaven several times daily.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It's those little things in life that make us happy

TRIM YOUR POSTS!

--FT


On 2/14/17 11:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

My thoughts exactly.  I recently fixed my sliding closet doors, which had
been dragging noisily in the track. Now they glide effortlessly.  I'm in
heaven several times daily.




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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My thoughts exactly.  I recently fixed my sliding closet doors, which had
been dragging noisily in the track. Now they glide effortlessly.  I'm in
heaven several times daily.

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Having put a new transmission into the wagon at about 185k, I can say that
> delays are not normal, in any gear, even if it runs for years like that.
>
> Its great to see how long things will last. Very parsimonious. But also
> comforting in a 30 year old machine to know your transmission is newish.
>
> The things you use every day should be nice, in proportion to their usage
> and the budget. Having a transmission that functions perfectly is
> satisfying every time I use the car. Sort of like having a nice hazet oil
> plug wrench, I imagine.
>
> On Feb 11, 2017 9:18 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I thought some years ago the solution was supposed to be the K3 spring.
> > Anyone else remember that discussion?  Does it fix other problems?  I
> > thought the k3 spring was supposed to fix the 2-3 flare.  Anyone have the
> > part number for the k3 spring kit?
> >
> > Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> February 11, 2017 at 6:53 PM
> >> Many thanks to Dan for this k1 link.
> >> My 82 SD (722.303) has always upshifter poorly and easing off the
> throttle
> >> only made it worse.  I've played with the cable, modulator, and orifice
> in
> >> the past but only achieved modest improvements.
> >> I think I'll do these k1/2 springs if I ever change fluid again.
> >> In googling around, I found this link which seemed to have interesting
> >> background info:
> >> http://starwiki.info/722.3
> >> Scott
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-
> >>> From:  Dan--- via Mercedes
> >>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:07 AM
> >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
> >>>
> >>> Here's a link to the job, complete with pictures:
> >>>
> >>> http://w123maintenance.blogspot.com/2008/02/k-1-
> spring-kit-replacement-
> >>> and
> >>> .html
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:41 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes
> >>>>
> >>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks. I have a technical book on these transmissions in the shop, so
> >>>>
> >>> maybe that will help locate these guides after I pull the pan.
> >>>
> >>>> Gerry
> >>>> ~
> >>>> Dan wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Actually, the accumulator spring in K1 will fix your 2-3 "stacked"
> >>>>>
> >>>> shift, and replacing the accumulator spring in K2 will soften and
> >>> slightly
> >>>
> >> delay
> >>
> >>> your 3-4 shift.  You can do one or both, it's not mandatory to do both.
> >>>
> >> For sure
> >>
> >>> do K1, as it will make a noticeable difference in the 2-3 upshift.
> >>>
> >>>> -D
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:12 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dan answered both of our questions, Manfred. The delay in reverse
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> seems to be normal for these transmissions, but mine will need 2
> >>> "Spring
> >>> gudes" in order to correct the 2-3 delay according to Dan.
> >>>
> >>>> Gerry
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> MG wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mine doesn't hesitate between 2-3 so probably the B2 piton won't
> >>>>>>> need any fix. I was just poking at Andrew about needing a new
> >>>>>>> transmission. I'll try to do an adjustment and see if it helps.
> >>>>>>> Can you send me instructions on how to do that?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Manfred
> >>>>>>>

Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Having put a new transmission into the wagon at about 185k, I can say that
delays are not normal, in any gear, even if it runs for years like that.

Its great to see how long things will last. Very parsimonious. But also
comforting in a 30 year old machine to know your transmission is newish.

The things you use every day should be nice, in proportion to their usage
and the budget. Having a transmission that functions perfectly is
satisfying every time I use the car. Sort of like having a nice hazet oil
plug wrench, I imagine.

On Feb 11, 2017 9:18 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> I thought some years ago the solution was supposed to be the K3 spring.
> Anyone else remember that discussion?  Does it fix other problems?  I
> thought the k3 spring was supposed to fix the 2-3 flare.  Anyone have the
> part number for the k3 spring kit?
>
> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> February 11, 2017 at 6:53 PM
>> Many thanks to Dan for this k1 link.
>> My 82 SD (722.303) has always upshifter poorly and easing off the throttle
>> only made it worse.  I've played with the cable, modulator, and orifice in
>> the past but only achieved modest improvements.
>> I think I'll do these k1/2 springs if I ever change fluid again.
>> In googling around, I found this link which seemed to have interesting
>> background info:
>> http://starwiki.info/722.3
>> Scott
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From:  Dan--- via Mercedes
>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:07 AM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
>>>
>>> Here's a link to the job, complete with pictures:
>>>
>>> http://w123maintenance.blogspot.com/2008/02/k-1-spring-kit-replacement-
>>> and
>>> .html
>>>
>>> -D
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:41 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes
>>>>
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks. I have a technical book on these transmissions in the shop, so
>>>>
>>> maybe that will help locate these guides after I pull the pan.
>>>
>>>> Gerry
>>>> ~
>>>> Dan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually, the accumulator spring in K1 will fix your 2-3 "stacked"
>>>>>
>>>> shift, and replacing the accumulator spring in K2 will soften and
>>> slightly
>>>
>> delay
>>
>>> your 3-4 shift.  You can do one or both, it's not mandatory to do both.
>>>
>> For sure
>>
>>> do K1, as it will make a noticeable difference in the 2-3 upshift.
>>>
>>>> -D
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:12 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes
>>>>>>
>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dan answered both of our questions, Manfred. The delay in reverse
>>>>>>
>>>>> seems to be normal for these transmissions, but mine will need 2
>>> "Spring
>>> gudes" in order to correct the 2-3 delay according to Dan.
>>>
>>>> Gerry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MG wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mine doesn't hesitate between 2-3 so probably the B2 piton won't
>>>>>>> need any fix. I was just poking at Andrew about needing a new
>>>>>>> transmission. I'll try to do an adjustment and see if it helps.
>>>>>>> Can you send me instructions on how to do that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as a delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by
>>> adjustment. Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission
>>>
>> from
>>
>>> Sun in California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to
>>>
>> slightly
>>
>>> backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to
>>> 3 gear until I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the
>>>
>> transmission
>>
>>&g

Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Suspension, steering??

RB

On 12/02/2017 10:18 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

Not sure how lucky yet.  Drove it home, the 1-2 shift is a lurch, 2-3 a bit 
less violent.  All gears work well enough.  Odo is non-op., speedo is good, as 
is tach.  Seats work for the most part, windows not that much.



Clay




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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[clay via Mercedes]

Not sure how lucky yet.  Drove it home, the 1-2 shift is a lurch, 2-3 a bit 
less violent.  All gears work well enough.  Odo is non-op., speedo is good, as 
is tach.  Seats work for the most part, windows not that much.  



Clay

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> On Feb 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I would say you are one lucky bas**rd!
> 
> 
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>  Original message From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2017-02-10  8:22 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
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> You are a bastard
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 7:43 PM, clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I just picked up a ton of stuff from the free car fellow.  I pick that up 
>> Saturday morning.
>> 
>> He had the ATSG 722.3.4 service manual.  I am going to read all about them 
>> so  I can be edjumukated though not likely to actually do work.  The new to 
>> me SD has a good trans, as does the spare engine and trans included.  Same 
>> thing with the SDL.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, if you’re working on a 722.3xx transmission.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So you need 2
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Depends on the transmission model but in the case of a 722.3xx it 
>>>>> replaces both the K1 and K2 accumulators.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I used to have the part number but if you can get it that would be great.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

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That's it

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 12, 2017, at 5:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That’s the Superior transmission spring kit:
> 
> http://www.bulkpart.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD_Code=2_Code=S68165D
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 12:27 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There is actually a 3rd party kit which I have use a few times that has a 
>> bunch of different springs in the kit that and it tells you which springs to 
>> use to do what things. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s the Superior transmission spring kit:

http://www.bulkpart.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD_Code=2_Code=S68165D

-D


> On Feb 12, 2017, at 12:27 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is actually a 3rd party kit which I have use a few times that has a 
> bunch of different springs in the kit that and it tells you which springs to 
> use to do what things. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

There is actually a 3rd party kit which I have use a few times that has a bunch 
of different springs in the kit that and it tells you which springs to use to 
do what things. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2017, at 11:18 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I thought some years ago the solution was supposed to be the K3 spring.  
> Anyone else remember that discussion?  Does it fix other problems?  I thought 
> the k3 spring was supposed to fix the 2-3 flare.  Anyone have the part number 
> for the k3 spring kit?
> 
>> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> February 11, 2017 at 6:53 PM
>> Many thanks to Dan for this k1 link.
>> My 82 SD (722.303) has always upshifter poorly and easing off the throttle
>> only made it worse.  I've played with the cable, modulator, and orifice in
>> the past but only achieved modest improvements.
>> I think I'll do these k1/2 springs if I ever change fluid again.
>> In googling around, I found this link which seemed to have interesting
>> background info:
>> http://starwiki.info/722.3
>> Scott
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From:  Dan--- via Mercedes
>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:07 AM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
>>> 
>>> Here's a link to the job, complete with pictures:
>>> 
>>> http://w123maintenance.blogspot.com/2008/02/k-1-spring-kit-replacement-
>>> and
>>> .html
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:41 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:
>>>> Thanks. I have a technical book on these transmissions in the shop, so
>>> maybe that will help locate these guides after I pull the pan.
>>>> Gerry
>>>> ~
>>>> Dan wrote:
>>>>> Actually, the accumulator spring in K1 will fix your 2-3 "stacked"
>>> shift, and replacing the accumulator spring in K2 will soften and slightly
>> delay
>>> your 3-4 shift.  You can do one or both, it's not mandatory to do both.
>> For sure
>>> do K1, as it will make a noticeable difference in the 2-3 upshift.
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:12 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:
>>>>>> Dan answered both of our questions, Manfred. The delay in reverse
>>> seems to be normal for these transmissions, but mine will need 2 "Spring
>>> gudes" in order to correct the 2-3 delay according to Dan.
>>>>>> Gerry
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> MG wrote:
>>>>>>> Mine doesn't hesitate between 2-3 so probably the B2 piton won't
>>>>>>> need any fix. I was just poking at Andrew about needing a new
>>>>>>> transmission. I'll try to do an adjustment and see if it helps.
>>>>>>> Can you send me instructions on how to do that?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>>> When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well
>>> as a delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by
>>> adjustment. Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission
>> from
>>> Sun in California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to
>> slightly
>>> backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to
>>> 3 gear until I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the
>> transmission
>>> shifted normally.
>>>>>>>> Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it
>>> the same way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt
>> transmission
>>> although I might spend a little over $100 and install a new
>>> (B-2?) piston through a plate in the side of the transmission since I've
>> been
>>> told that would correct the problem.
>>>>>>>> It is a 722.315 transmission.
>>>>>>>> YMMV
>>>>>>>> Gerry
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> MG wrote:
>>&

Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I thought some years ago the solution was supposed to be the K3 spring.  
Anyone else remember that discussion?  Does it fix other problems?  I 
thought the k3 spring was supposed to fix the 2-3 flare.  Anyone have 
the part number for the k3 spring kit?



Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
February 11, 2017 at 6:53 PM
Many thanks to Dan for this k1 link.
My 82 SD (722.303) has always upshifter poorly and easing off the throttle
only made it worse.  I've played with the cable, modulator, and orifice in
the past but only achieved modest improvements.
I think I'll do these k1/2 springs if I ever change fluid again.
In googling around, I found this link which seemed to have interesting
background info:
http://starwiki.info/722.3
Scott


-Original Message-
From:  Dan--- via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:07 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

Here's a link to the job, complete with pictures:

http://w123maintenance.blogspot.com/2008/02/k-1-spring-kit-replacement-
and
.html

-D

Sent from my iPad


On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:41 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes

<mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:

Thanks. I have a technical book on these transmissions in the shop, so

maybe that will help locate these guides after I pull the pan.

Gerry
~
Dan wrote:

Actually, the accumulator spring in K1 will fix your 2-3 "stacked"

shift, and replacing the accumulator spring in K2 will soften and slightly

delay

your 3-4 shift.  You can do one or both, it's not mandatory to do both.

For sure

do K1, as it will make a noticeable difference in the 2-3 upshift.

-D

Sent from my iPad


On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:12 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes

<mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:

Dan answered both of our questions, Manfred. The delay in reverse

seems to be normal for these transmissions, but mine will need 2 "Spring
gudes" in order to correct the 2-3 delay according to Dan.

Gerry

MG wrote:

Mine doesn't hesitate between 2-3 so probably the B2 piton won't
need any fix. I was just poking at Andrew about needing a new
transmission. I'll try to do an adjustment and see if it helps.
Can you send me instructions on how to do that?

Manfred

archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well

as a delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by
adjustment. Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission

from

Sun in California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to

slightly

backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to
3 gear until I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the

transmission

shifted normally.

Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it

the same way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt

transmission

although I might spend a little over $100 and install a new
(B-2?) piston through a plate in the side of the transmission since I've

been

told that would correct the problem.

It is a 722.315 transmission.
YMMV
Gerry

MG wrote:

The transmission in my TD has had a delay going into reverse for
over 5 years now more then 20k miles. I guess I'll have to get a
rebuilt tranny right quick now.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

How much of a delay when going into reverse?  That could be a

forewarning.

My 1983 300TD exhibited that behavior a few weeks before

permanently losing

reverse + all forward gears in the Home Depot parking lot. You

might want

to start shopping for a good used transmission to lug around in

the trunk.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes

<mercedes@okiebenz.com>

wrote:


What Rick and Curt said.

These cars are built to a very different standard than you're

used to.

While we all chuckle at the "million mile engine" claims in CL

ads, there's

a lot more truth to that than many might believe.

Your car is barely broken in. Short of a catastrophic failure,
to

go out

and try to find a back up drive train is false economy, as it's

unlikely

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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I found the bulletin:  AF27.51-U-6100A

Here’s a link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/20zbyc14fsjl1ph/K1%20and%20K2.pdf?dl=0

-D


On Feb 11, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:
> 
> Based on my findings, the 126 270 04 35 and 05 35 are for the 722.4xx K2 
> accumulator, not the 722.3xx.
> 
> Everything I’ve seen suggests that the 126 270 44 77 spring kit fits both the 
> K1 and K2 accumulators in the 722.3xx transmission.  This was stated in the 
> WIS back in the late 1990s.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 7:53 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Many thanks to Dan for this k1 link.  
>> My 82 SD (722.303) has always upshifter poorly and easing off the throttle
>> only made it worse.  I've played with the cable, modulator, and orifice in
>> the past but only achieved modest improvements.
>> I think I'll do these k1/2 springs if I ever change fluid again.
>> In googling around, I found this link which seemed to have interesting
>> background info:
>> http://starwiki.info/722.3
>> Scott
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Based on my findings, the 126 270 04 35 and 05 35 are for the 722.4xx K2 
accumulator, not the 722.3xx.

Everything I’ve seen suggests that the 126 270 44 77 spring kit fits both the 
K1 and K2 accumulators in the 722.3xx transmission.  This was stated in the WIS 
back in the late 1990s.

Dan


> On Feb 11, 2017, at 7:53 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Many thanks to Dan for this k1 link.  
> My 82 SD (722.303) has always upshifter poorly and easing off the throttle
> only made it worse.  I've played with the cable, modulator, and orifice in
> the past but only achieved modest improvements.
> I think I'll do these k1/2 springs if I ever change fluid again.
> In googling around, I found this link which seemed to have interesting
> background info:
> http://starwiki.info/722.3
> Scott
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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Many thanks to Dan for this k1 link.  
My 82 SD (722.303) has always upshifter poorly and easing off the throttle
only made it worse.  I've played with the cable, modulator, and orifice in
the past but only achieved modest improvements.
I think I'll do these k1/2 springs if I ever change fluid again.
In googling around, I found this link which seemed to have interesting
background info:
http://starwiki.info/722.3
Scott

> -Original Message-
> From:  Dan--- via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:07 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
> 
> Here's a link to the job, complete with pictures:
> 
> http://w123maintenance.blogspot.com/2008/02/k-1-spring-kit-replacement-
> and
> .html
> 
> -D
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:41 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks. I have a technical book on these transmissions in the shop, so
> maybe that will help locate these guides after I pull the pan.
> > Gerry
> > ~
> > Dan wrote:
> >> Actually, the accumulator spring in K1 will fix your 2-3 "stacked"
> shift, and replacing the accumulator spring in K2 will soften and slightly
delay
> your 3-4 shift.  You can do one or both, it's not mandatory to do both.
For sure
> do K1, as it will make a noticeable difference in the 2-3 upshift.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:12 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dan answered both of our questions, Manfred. The delay in reverse
> seems to be normal for these transmissions, but mine will need 2 "Spring
> gudes" in order to correct the 2-3 delay according to Dan.
> >>> Gerry
> >>>
> >>> MG wrote:
> >>>> Mine doesn't hesitate between 2-3 so probably the B2 piton won't
> >>>> need any fix. I was just poking at Andrew about needing a new
> >>>> transmission. I'll try to do an adjustment and see if it helps.
> >>>> Can you send me instructions on how to do that?
> >>>>
> >>>> Manfred
> >>>>
> >>>> archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>>> When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well
> as a delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by
> adjustment. Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission
from
> Sun in California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to
slightly
> backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to
> 3 gear until I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the
transmission
> shifted normally.
> >>>>> Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it
> the same way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt
transmission
> although I might spend a little over $100 and install a new
> (B-2?) piston through a plate in the side of the transmission since I've
been
> told that would correct the problem.
> >>>>> It is a 722.315 transmission.
> >>>>> YMMV
> >>>>> Gerry
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> MG wrote:
> >>>>>> The transmission in my TD has had a delay going into reverse for
> >>>>>> over 5 years now more then 20k miles. I guess I'll have to get a
> >>>>>> rebuilt tranny right quick now.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>>>>> How much of a delay when going into reverse?  That could be a
> forewarning.
> >>>>>>> My 1983 300TD exhibited that behavior a few weeks before
> permanently losing
> >>>>>>> reverse + all forward gears in the Home Depot parking lot. You
> might want
> >>>>>>> to start shopping for a good used transmission to lug around in
> the trunk.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> What Rick and Curt said.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> These cars are built to a very different standard than you're
> used to.
> >>>>>>>> While we all chuckle at the &q

Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

I would say you are one lucky bas**rd!


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<mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2017-02-10  8:22 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
<ka...@striplin.net> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida 
You are a bastard

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> On Feb 10, 2017, at 7:43 PM, clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I just picked up a ton of stuff from the free car fellow.  I pick that up 
> Saturday morning.
> 
> He had the ATSG 722.3.4 service manual.  I am going to read all about them so 
>  I can be edjumukated though not likely to actually do work.  The new to me 
> SD has a good trans, as does the spare engine and trans included.  Same thing 
> with the SDL.
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, if you’re working on a 722.3xx transmission.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So you need 2
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Depends on the transmission model but in the case of a 722.3xx it replaces 
>>>> both the K1 and K2 accumulators.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I used to have the part number but if you can get it that would be great.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

At 250k, your SDL is just a pup; well, maybe an adolescent. I figger at 
200k it is just broken in. (pup)   My first SDL was acquired at 175k and 
although it was rusty when I bought it, I drove it another 240k miles.  
The whole time it was "slow to go into reverse"   The other 3 have been 
similar.  My advice is don't worry about it.  Don't fix it if it ain't 
broke.  Unless the delay becomes noticeably longer, maybe over 5 sec, I 
would not worry about it.  It is a great car!  Drive it and enjoy it.   
My current rustbucket runs great at somewhere around 500K.


If you must have an "expert" check it, the only one I'd trust is Sun 
Valley, in Sun Valley, CA.  I know of nobody in North or South America 
who is as good as Mark is, and he is very kind.



Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
February 11, 2017 at 6:52 AM
This is a very interesting thread as I have an '87 300SDL with about 
250K miles.  The tranny does seem sluggish getting into 4th., and also 
slow going into reverse.  I have read about the reverse syndrome and 
have been very leery about it failing me for some time now.  However, 
with this new information there is a glimmer of hope.  I would also 
like some further info and details that I can use to have a qualified 
tranny service operator to view and do the necessary repairs.  Thanks 
very much for any info you can forward.

ralph '87 SDL '84 CD

On Friday, February 10, 2017 6:26 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:



Bingo! I've been waiting 17 years for a definitive answer to that 
question!

Thanks you, Dan! Thank you!
Part number and instructions would be greatly appreciated!
Gerry
~~


archer75--- via Mercedes 
February 10, 2017 at 5:03 AM
Bingo! I've been waiting 17 years for a definitive answer to that 
question!

Thanks you, Dan! Thank you!
Part number and instructions would be greatly appreciated!
Gerry
~~


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
February 9, 2017 at 5:08 PM
Gerry,

It’s not a B2 piston you need, it’s the K1 and K2 valves. They’re 
$5/each from a dealer and take all of maybe 3-4 minutes to replace 
when you’ve got the pan off the transmission.


I just did mine on the 300D, and it shifts like a totally different 
car. The 2-3 isn’t “stacked” like it used to be and the 3-4 comes in 
later and is smooth.


I can get you the part number if you want it along with some 
instructions. The parts are the same for both, which makes it even 
simpler.


-D




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archer75--- via Mercedes 
February 9, 2017 at 5:00 PM
When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well as 
a delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by 
adjustment. Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt 
transmission from Sun in California but never got around to it. 
Gradually I got used to slightly backing off the throttle when the 
transmission changed from 2 to 3 gear until I did it without thinking 
about it. By doing that the transmission shifted normally.
Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it the 
same way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt 
transmission although I might spend a little over $100 and install a 
new (B-2?) piston through a plate in the side of the transmission 
since I've been told that would correct the problem.

It is a 722.315 transmission.
YMMV
Gerry



MG via Mercedes 
February 9, 2017 at 1:26 PM
The transmission in my TD has had a delay going into reverse for over 
5 years now more then 20k miles. I guess I'll have to get a rebuilt 
tranny right quick now.




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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The k1/k2 spring upgrade will not affect reverse. When reverse takes a while to 
engage it is simply worn out. On the older transmissions there was a bolt that 
could be tightened for the slow reverse issue.

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> On Feb 11, 2017, at 6:52 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> This is a very interesting thread as I have an '87 300SDL with about 250K 
> miles.  The tranny does seem sluggish getting into 4th., and also slow going 
> into reverse.  I have read about the reverse syndrome and have been very 
> leery about it failing me for some time now.  However, with this new 
> information there is a glimmer of hope.  I would also like some further info 
> and details that I can use to have a qualified tranny service operator to 
> view and do the necessary repairs.  Thanks very much for any info you can 
> forward.
> ralph '87 SDL '84 CD 
> 
>On Friday, February 10, 2017 6:26 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Bingo! I've been waiting 17 years for a definitive answer to that question!
> Thanks you, Dan! Thank you!
> Part number and instructions would be greatly appreciated!
> Gerry
> ~~
> Dan Penoff wrote:
>> Gerry,
>> It’s not a B2 piston you need, it’s the K1 and K2 valves.  They’re $5/each 
>> from a dealer and take all of maybe 3-4 minutes to replace when you’ve got 
>> the pan off the transmission.
>> 
>> I just did mine on the 300D, and it shifts like a totally different car.  
>> The 2-3 isn’t “stacked” like it used to be and the 3-4 comes in later and is 
>> smooth.
>> 
>> I can get you the part number if you want it along with some instructions.  
>> The parts are the same for both, which makes it even simpler.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:00 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well as a 
>>> delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by adjustment. 
>>> Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission from Sun in 
>>> California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to slightly 
>>> backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to 3 gear 
>>> until I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the transmission 
>>> shifted normally.
>>> Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it the same 
>>> way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt transmission although 
>>> I might spend a little over $100 and install a new (B-2?) piston through a 
>>> plate in the side of the transmission since I've been told that would 
>>> correct the problem.
>>> It is a 722.315 transmission.
>>> YMMV
>>> Gerry
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes]

This is a very interesting thread as I have an '87 300SDL with about 250K 
miles.  The tranny does seem sluggish getting into 4th., and also slow going 
into reverse.  I have read about the reverse syndrome and have been very leery 
about it failing me for some time now.  However, with this new information 
there is a glimmer of hope.  I would also like some further info and details 
that I can use to have a qualified tranny service operator to view and do the 
necessary repairs.  Thanks very much for any info you can forward.
ralph '87 SDL         '84 CD 

On Friday, February 10, 2017 6:26 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:
 

 Bingo! I've been waiting 17 years for a definitive answer to that question!
Thanks you, Dan! Thank you!
Part number and instructions would be greatly appreciated!
Gerry
~~
Dan Penoff wrote:
> Gerry,
> It’s not a B2 piston you need, it’s the K1 and K2 valves.  They’re $5/each 
> from a dealer and take all of maybe 3-4 minutes to replace when you’ve got 
> the pan off the transmission.
> 
> I just did mine on the 300D, and it shifts like a totally different car.  The 
> 2-3 isn’t “stacked” like it used to be and the 3-4 comes in later and is 
> smooth.
> 
> I can get you the part number if you want it along with some instructions.  
> The parts are the same for both, which makes it even simpler.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:00 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well as a 
> > delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by adjustment. 
> > Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission from Sun in 
> > California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to slightly 
> > backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to 3 gear 
> > until I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the transmission 
> > shifted normally.
> > Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it the same 
> > way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt transmission although 
> > I might spend a little over $100 and install a new (B-2?) piston through a 
> > plate in the side of the transmission since I've been told that would 
> > correct the problem.
> > It is a 722.315 transmission.
> > YMMV
> > Gerry
> > 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

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You are a bastard

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> On Feb 10, 2017, at 7:43 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I just picked up a ton of stuff from the free car fellow.  I pick that up 
> Saturday morning.
> 
> He had the ATSG 722.3.4 service manual.  I am going to read all about them so 
>  I can be edjumukated though not likely to actually do work.  The new to me 
> SD has a good trans, as does the spare engine and trans included.  Same thing 
> with the SDL.
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, if you’re working on a 722.3xx transmission.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So you need 2
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 9, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Depends on the transmission model but in the case of a 722.3xx it replaces 
 both the K1 and K2 accumulators.
 
 -D
 
 
> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I used to have the part number but if you can get it that would be great.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[clay via Mercedes]

I just picked up a ton of stuff from the free car fellow.  I pick that up 
Saturday morning.

He had the ATSG 722.3.4 service manual.  I am going to read all about them so  
I can be edjumukated though not likely to actually do work.  The new to me SD 
has a good trans, as does the spare engine and trans included.  Same thing with 
the SDL.

clay

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, if you’re working on a 722.3xx transmission.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So you need 2
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Depends on the transmission model but in the case of a 722.3xx it replaces 
>>> both the K1 and K2 accumulators.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I used to have the part number but if you can get it that would be great.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[MG via Mercedes]

I think that was the not a delay into drive. The 3 seconds into 
reverse is a bit too much as 2 of my 83 300Ds and my daughter's 
81 SD all go in in about 1 second. I did some more looking and 
from what I could find it seems the only transmissions that have 
a reverse band that can be adjusted are the older ones with only 
4 bolts holding the pan on from then on all the ones with the 6 
bolts have the reverse done internally with a clutch pack and the 
1st gear is now the band.


I agree with Dan that the K fixes will do a bit of change to the 
way the transmission shifts.


Manfred

archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Dan answered both of our questions, Manfred. The delay in reverse seems to be normal for 
these transmissions, but mine will need 2 "Spring gudes" in order to correct 
the 2-3 delay according to Dan.
Gerry

MG wrote:
Mine doesn't hesitate between 2-3 so probably the B2 piton won't 
need any fix. I was just poking at Andrew about needing a new 
transmission. I'll try to do an adjustment and see if it helps. 
Can you send me instructions on how to do that?


Manfred

archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well as a delay 
between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by adjustment. 
Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission from Sun in 
California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to slightly backing 
off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to 3 gear until I did it 
without thinking about it. By doing that the transmission shifted normally.
Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it the same way 
and will never get around to installing a rebuilt transmission although I might 
spend a little over $100 and install a new (B-2?) piston through a plate in the 
side of the transmission since I've been told that would correct the problem.
It is a 722.315 transmission.
YMMV
Gerry

MG wrote:
The transmission in my TD has had a delay going into reverse for 
over 5 years now more then 20k miles. I guess I'll have to get a 
rebuilt tranny right quick now.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

How much of a delay when going into reverse?  That could be a forewarning.
My 1983 300TD exhibited that behavior a few weeks before permanently losing
reverse + all forward gears in the Home Depot parking lot. You might want
to start shopping for a good used transmission to lug around in the trunk.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


What Rick and Curt said.

These cars are built to a very different standard than you're used to.
While we all chuckle at the "million mile engine" claims in CL ads, there's
a lot more truth to that than many might believe.

Your car is barely broken in. Short of a catastrophic failure, to go out
and try to find a back up drive train is false economy, as it's unlikely
you'll ever need it.

Now I certainly wouldn't discourage someone from trying to find a tired
OM617 they can disassemble and rebuild as a learning experience and
potential backup if ever needed, but to purposely seek a drive train as a
spare would be silly, in my opinion, not to mention a waste of resources.

My 350SDL just turned 269,000 miles. Compression is great, it doesn't leak
or burn oil, and other than having a little delay when engaging reverse,
everything is in great working order. As long as I maintain it well there's
no reason why it wouldn't go another 260k or more without major work.  I'm
not about to tie up coin in a spare engine or transmission when there's no
need.

-D

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On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <

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Theres no reason a gas powered car can't go 200,000 miles, then have top

end work and go another 200,000 miles.

You've been lied to your whole life about how often you need to replace

your car...

-Curt

 From: Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Kyle Arola <kylearola1...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

I guess I am just not used to thinking of a drive train lasting an
additional 600,000 miles in addition to the already almost 300k on it

now!

Hahaha! That would be amazing to be sure! I know there are OTR truckers
that get 1 million miles on their rigs, and I am guessing their diesels

are

similar engineering wise as far as robustness goes...

Just a paradigm shift in thinking for me as I am part of the throwaway
generation and have been taught to replace my car every 80k miles, or 10
years at most!

Kyle

On Feb 9, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" <

mercedes@okiebenz.com>

wrote:

Kyle sez:


True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be

prepared

so that in anot

Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Ok that's what I was thinking. It has been so long since I have messed with the 
722.3 transmission I had forgot.

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> On Feb 10, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It will reduce flaring of the 3-4 upshift, at least it did on my car.
> 
> -D
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> IIRC there was issues with flaring between 3-4 that was fixed with spring 
>> upgrade, you you are saying this will soften 3-4?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 8:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, the accumulator spring in K1 will fix your 2-3 "stacked" shift, 
>>> and replacing the accumulator spring in K2 will soften and slightly delay 
>>> your 3-4 shift.  You can do one or both, it's not mandatory to do both. For 
>>> sure do K1, as it will make a noticeable difference in the 2-3 upshift.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:12 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Dan answered both of our questions, Manfred. The delay in reverse seems to 
 be normal for these transmissions, but mine will need 2 "Spring gudes" in 
 order to correct the 2-3 delay according to Dan.
 Gerry
 
 MG wrote:
> Mine doesn't hesitate between 2-3 so probably the B2 piton won't 
> need any fix. I was just poking at Andrew about needing a new 
> transmission. I'll try to do an adjustment and see if it helps. 
> Can you send me instructions on how to do that?
> 
> Manfred
> 
> archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well as a 
>> delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by 
>> adjustment. Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission 
>> from Sun in California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used 
>> to slightly backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 
>> 2 to 3 gear until I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the 
>> transmission shifted normally.
>> Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it the 
>> same way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt transmission 
>> although I might spend a little over $100 and install a new (B-2?) 
>> piston through a plate in the side of the transmission since I've been 
>> told that would correct the problem.
>> It is a 722.315 transmission.
>> YMMV
>> Gerry
>> 
>> MG wrote:
>>> The transmission in my TD has had a delay going into reverse for 
>>> over 5 years now more then 20k miles. I guess I'll have to get a 
>>> rebuilt tranny right quick now.
>>> 
>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 How much of a delay when going into reverse?  That could be a 
 forewarning.
 My 1983 300TD exhibited that behavior a few weeks before permanently 
 losing
 reverse + all forward gears in the Home Depot parking lot. You might 
 want
 to start shopping for a good used transmission to lug around in the 
 trunk.
 
 On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
 
 wrote:
 
> What Rick and Curt said.
> 
> These cars are built to a very different standard than you're used to.
> While we all chuckle at the "million mile engine" claims in CL ads, 
> there's
> a lot more truth to that than many might believe.
> 
> Your car is barely broken in. Short of a catastrophic failure, to go 
> out
> and try to find a back up drive train is false economy, as it's 
> unlikely
 
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[Dan--- via Mercedes]

It will reduce flaring of the 3-4 upshift, at least it did on my car.

-D

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> On Feb 10, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> IIRC there was issues with flaring between 3-4 that was fixed with spring 
> upgrade, you you are saying this will soften 3-4?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 8:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, the accumulator spring in K1 will fix your 2-3 "stacked" shift, 
>> and replacing the accumulator spring in K2 will soften and slightly delay 
>> your 3-4 shift.  You can do one or both, it's not mandatory to do both. For 
>> sure do K1, as it will make a noticeable difference in the 2-3 upshift.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:12 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dan answered both of our questions, Manfred. The delay in reverse seems to 
>>> be normal for these transmissions, but mine will need 2 "Spring gudes" in 
>>> order to correct the 2-3 delay according to Dan.
>>> Gerry
>>> 
>>> MG wrote:
 Mine doesn't hesitate between 2-3 so probably the B2 piton won't 
 need any fix. I was just poking at Andrew about needing a new 
 transmission. I'll try to do an adjustment and see if it helps. 
 Can you send me instructions on how to do that?
 
 Manfred
 
 archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well as a 
> delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by adjustment. 
> Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission from Sun in 
> California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to slightly 
> backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to 3 gear 
> until I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the transmission 
> shifted normally.
> Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it the 
> same way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt transmission 
> although I might spend a little over $100 and install a new (B-2?) piston 
> through a plate in the side of the transmission since I've been told that 
> would correct the problem.
> It is a 722.315 transmission.
> YMMV
> Gerry
> 
> MG wrote:
>> The transmission in my TD has had a delay going into reverse for 
>> over 5 years now more then 20k miles. I guess I'll have to get a 
>> rebuilt tranny right quick now.
>> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> How much of a delay when going into reverse?  That could be a 
>>> forewarning.
>>> My 1983 300TD exhibited that behavior a few weeks before permanently 
>>> losing
>>> reverse + all forward gears in the Home Depot parking lot. You might 
>>> want
>>> to start shopping for a good used transmission to lug around in the 
>>> trunk.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 What Rick and Curt said.
 
 These cars are built to a very different standard than you're used to.
 While we all chuckle at the "million mile engine" claims in CL ads, 
 there's
 a lot more truth to that than many might believe.
 
 Your car is barely broken in. Short of a catastrophic failure, to go 
 out
 and try to find a back up drive train is false economy, as it's 
 unlikely
>>> 
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

IIRC there was issues with flaring between 3-4 that was fixed with spring 
upgrade, you you are saying this will soften 3-4?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 10, 2017, at 8:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Actually, the accumulator spring in K1 will fix your 2-3 "stacked" shift, and 
> replacing the accumulator spring in K2 will soften and slightly delay your 
> 3-4 shift.  You can do one or both, it's not mandatory to do both. For sure 
> do K1, as it will make a noticeable difference in the 2-3 upshift.
> 
> -D
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:12 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dan answered both of our questions, Manfred. The delay in reverse seems to 
>> be normal for these transmissions, but mine will need 2 "Spring gudes" in 
>> order to correct the 2-3 delay according to Dan.
>> Gerry
>> 
>> MG wrote:
>>> Mine doesn't hesitate between 2-3 so probably the B2 piton won't 
>>> need any fix. I was just poking at Andrew about needing a new 
>>> transmission. I'll try to do an adjustment and see if it helps. 
>>> Can you send me instructions on how to do that?
>>> 
>>> Manfred
>>> 
>>> archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
 When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well as a 
 delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by adjustment. 
 Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission from Sun in 
 California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to slightly 
 backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to 3 gear 
 until I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the transmission 
 shifted normally.
 Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it the same 
 way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt transmission 
 although I might spend a little over $100 and install a new (B-2?) piston 
 through a plate in the side of the transmission since I've been told that 
 would correct the problem.
 It is a 722.315 transmission.
 YMMV
 Gerry
 
 MG wrote:
> The transmission in my TD has had a delay going into reverse for 
> over 5 years now more then 20k miles. I guess I'll have to get a 
> rebuilt tranny right quick now.
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> How much of a delay when going into reverse?  That could be a 
>> forewarning.
>> My 1983 300TD exhibited that behavior a few weeks before permanently 
>> losing
>> reverse + all forward gears in the Home Depot parking lot. You might want
>> to start shopping for a good used transmission to lug around in the 
>> trunk.
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> What Rick and Curt said.
>>> 
>>> These cars are built to a very different standard than you're used to.
>>> While we all chuckle at the "million mile engine" claims in CL ads, 
>>> there's
>>> a lot more truth to that than many might believe.
>>> 
>>> Your car is barely broken in. Short of a catastrophic failure, to go out
>>> and try to find a back up drive train is false economy, as it's unlikely
>> 
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[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Here's a link to the job, complete with pictures:

http://w123maintenance.blogspot.com/2008/02/k-1-spring-kit-replacement-and.html

-D

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> On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:41 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks. I have a technical book on these transmissions in the shop, so maybe 
> that will help locate these guides after I pull the pan.
> Gerry
> ~
> Dan wrote:
>> Actually, the accumulator spring in K1 will fix your 2-3 "stacked" shift, 
>> and replacing the accumulator spring in K2 will soften and slightly delay 
>> your 3-4 shift.  You can do one or both, it's not mandatory to do both. For 
>> sure do K1, as it will make a noticeable difference in the 2-3 upshift.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:12 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dan answered both of our questions, Manfred. The delay in reverse seems to 
>>> be normal for these transmissions, but mine will need 2 "Spring gudes" in 
>>> order to correct the 2-3 delay according to Dan.
>>> Gerry
>>> 
>>> MG wrote:
 Mine doesn't hesitate between 2-3 so probably the B2 piton won't 
 need any fix. I was just poking at Andrew about needing a new 
 transmission. I'll try to do an adjustment and see if it helps. 
 Can you send me instructions on how to do that?
 
 Manfred
 
 archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well as a 
> delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by adjustment. 
> Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission from Sun in 
> California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to slightly 
> backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to 3 gear 
> until I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the transmission 
> shifted normally.
> Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it the 
> same way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt transmission 
> although I might spend a little over $100 and install a new (B-2?) piston 
> through a plate in the side of the transmission since I've been told that 
> would correct the problem.
> It is a 722.315 transmission.
> YMMV
> Gerry
> 
> MG wrote:
>> The transmission in my TD has had a delay going into reverse for 
>> over 5 years now more then 20k miles. I guess I'll have to get a 
>> rebuilt tranny right quick now.
>> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> How much of a delay when going into reverse?  That could be a 
>>> forewarning.
>>> My 1983 300TD exhibited that behavior a few weeks before permanently 
>>> losing
>>> reverse + all forward gears in the Home Depot parking lot. You might 
>>> want
>>> to start shopping for a good used transmission to lug around in the 
>>> trunk.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 What Rick and Curt said.
 
 These cars are built to a very different standard than you're used to.
 While we all chuckle at the "million mile engine" claims in CL ads, 
 there's
 a lot more truth to that than many might believe.
 
 Your car is barely broken in. Short of a catastrophic failure, to go 
 out
 and try to find a back up drive train is false economy, as it's 
 unlikely
>>> 
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[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Thanks. I have a technical book on these transmissions in the shop, so maybe 
that will help locate these guides after I pull the pan.
Gerry
~
Dan wrote:
> Actually, the accumulator spring in K1 will fix your 2-3 "stacked" shift, and 
> replacing the accumulator spring in K2 will soften and slightly delay your 
> 3-4 shift.  You can do one or both, it's not mandatory to do both. For sure 
> do K1, as it will make a noticeable difference in the 2-3 upshift.
> 
> -D
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:12 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Dan answered both of our questions, Manfred. The delay in reverse seems to 
> > be normal for these transmissions, but mine will need 2 "Spring gudes" in 
> > order to correct the 2-3 delay according to Dan.
> > Gerry
> > 
> > MG wrote:
> >> Mine doesn't hesitate between 2-3 so probably the B2 piton won't 
> >> need any fix. I was just poking at Andrew about needing a new 
> >> transmission. I'll try to do an adjustment and see if it helps. 
> >> Can you send me instructions on how to do that?
> >> 
> >> Manfred
> >> 
> >> archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well as a 
> >>> delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by adjustment. 
> >>> Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission from Sun in 
> >>> California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to slightly 
> >>> backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to 3 gear 
> >>> until I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the transmission 
> >>> shifted normally.
> >>> Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it the 
> >>> same way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt transmission 
> >>> although I might spend a little over $100 and install a new (B-2?) piston 
> >>> through a plate in the side of the transmission since I've been told that 
> >>> would correct the problem.
> >>> It is a 722.315 transmission.
> >>> YMMV
> >>> Gerry
> >>> 
> >>> MG wrote:
>  The transmission in my TD has had a delay going into reverse for 
>  over 5 years now more then 20k miles. I guess I'll have to get a 
>  rebuilt tranny right quick now.
>  
>  Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > How much of a delay when going into reverse?  That could be a 
> > forewarning.
> > My 1983 300TD exhibited that behavior a few weeks before permanently 
> > losing
> > reverse + all forward gears in the Home Depot parking lot. You might 
> > want
> > to start shopping for a good used transmission to lug around in the 
> > trunk.
> > 
> > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
> > 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> What Rick and Curt said.
> >> 
> >> These cars are built to a very different standard than you're used to.
> >> While we all chuckle at the "million mile engine" claims in CL ads, 
> >> there's
> >> a lot more truth to that than many might believe.
> >> 
> >> Your car is barely broken in. Short of a catastrophic failure, to go 
> >> out
> >> and try to find a back up drive train is false economy, as it's 
> >> unlikely
> > 
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Actually, the accumulator spring in K1 will fix your 2-3 "stacked" shift, and 
replacing the accumulator spring in K2 will soften and slightly delay your 3-4 
shift.  You can do one or both, it's not mandatory to do both. For sure do K1, 
as it will make a noticeable difference in the 2-3 upshift.

-D

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:12 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan answered both of our questions, Manfred. The delay in reverse seems to be 
> normal for these transmissions, but mine will need 2 "Spring gudes" in order 
> to correct the 2-3 delay according to Dan.
> Gerry
> 
> MG wrote:
>> Mine doesn't hesitate between 2-3 so probably the B2 piton won't 
>> need any fix. I was just poking at Andrew about needing a new 
>> transmission. I'll try to do an adjustment and see if it helps. 
>> Can you send me instructions on how to do that?
>> 
>> Manfred
>> 
>> archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well as a 
>>> delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by adjustment. 
>>> Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission from Sun in 
>>> California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to slightly 
>>> backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to 3 gear 
>>> until I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the transmission 
>>> shifted normally.
>>> Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it the same 
>>> way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt transmission although 
>>> I might spend a little over $100 and install a new (B-2?) piston through a 
>>> plate in the side of the transmission since I've been told that would 
>>> correct the problem.
>>> It is a 722.315 transmission.
>>> YMMV
>>> Gerry
>>> 
>>> MG wrote:
 The transmission in my TD has had a delay going into reverse for 
 over 5 years now more then 20k miles. I guess I'll have to get a 
 rebuilt tranny right quick now.
 
 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> How much of a delay when going into reverse?  That could be a forewarning.
> My 1983 300TD exhibited that behavior a few weeks before permanently 
> losing
> reverse + all forward gears in the Home Depot parking lot. You might want
> to start shopping for a good used transmission to lug around in the trunk.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
> 
> wrote:
> 
>> What Rick and Curt said.
>> 
>> These cars are built to a very different standard than you're used to.
>> While we all chuckle at the "million mile engine" claims in CL ads, 
>> there's
>> a lot more truth to that than many might believe.
>> 
>> Your car is barely broken in. Short of a catastrophic failure, to go out
>> and try to find a back up drive train is false economy, as it's unlikely
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Dan answered both of our questions, Manfred. The delay in reverse seems to be 
normal for these transmissions, but mine will need 2 "Spring gudes" in order to 
correct the 2-3 delay according to Dan.
Gerry

MG wrote:
> Mine doesn't hesitate between 2-3 so probably the B2 piton won't 
> need any fix. I was just poking at Andrew about needing a new 
> transmission. I'll try to do an adjustment and see if it helps. 
> Can you send me instructions on how to do that?
> 
> Manfred
> 
> archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well as a 
> > delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by adjustment. 
> > Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission from Sun in 
> > California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to slightly 
> > backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to 3 gear 
> > until I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the transmission 
> > shifted normally.
> > Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it the same 
> > way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt transmission although 
> > I might spend a little over $100 and install a new (B-2?) piston through a 
> > plate in the side of the transmission since I've been told that would 
> > correct the problem.
> > It is a 722.315 transmission.
> > YMMV
> > Gerry
> > 
> > MG wrote:
> >> The transmission in my TD has had a delay going into reverse for 
> >> over 5 years now more then 20k miles. I guess I'll have to get a 
> >> rebuilt tranny right quick now.
> >>
> >> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> How much of a delay when going into reverse?  That could be a forewarning.
> >>> My 1983 300TD exhibited that behavior a few weeks before permanently 
> >>> losing
> >>> reverse + all forward gears in the Home Depot parking lot. You might want
> >>> to start shopping for a good used transmission to lug around in the trunk.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
> >>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> What Rick and Curt said.
> >>>>
> >>>> These cars are built to a very different standard than you're used to.
> >>>> While we all chuckle at the "million mile engine" claims in CL ads, 
> >>>> there's
> >>>> a lot more truth to that than many might believe.
> >>>>
> >>>> Your car is barely broken in. Short of a catastrophic failure, to go out
> >>>> and try to find a back up drive train is false economy, as it's unlikely
> >>>> you'll ever need it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now I certainly wouldn't discourage someone from trying to find a tired
> >>>> OM617 they can disassemble and rebuild as a learning experience and
> >>>> potential backup if ever needed, but to purposely seek a drive train as a
> >>>> spare would be silly, in my opinion, not to mention a waste of resources.
> >>>>
> >>>> My 350SDL just turned 269,000 miles. Compression is great, it doesn't 
> >>>> leak
> >>>> or burn oil, and other than having a little delay when engaging reverse,
> >>>> everything is in great working order. As long as I maintain it well 
> >>>> there's
> >>>> no reason why it wouldn't go another 260k or more without major work.  
> >>>> I'm
> >>>> not about to tie up coin in a spare engine or transmission when there's 
> >>>> no
> >>>> need.
> >>>>
> >>>> -D
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Theres no reason a gas powered car can't go 200,000 miles, then have top
> >>>> end work and go another 200,000 miles.
> >>>>> You've been lied to your whole life about how often you need to replace
> >>>> your car...
> >>>>> -Curt
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  From: Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>>>> Cc: Kyle Arola <kylearola1...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> Sent

Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Bingo! I've been waiting 17 years for a definitive answer to that question!
Thanks you, Dan! Thank you!
Part number and instructions would be greatly appreciated!
Gerry
~~
Dan Penoff wrote:
> Gerry,
> It’s not a B2 piston you need, it’s the K1 and K2 valves.  They’re $5/each 
> from a dealer and take all of maybe 3-4 minutes to replace when you’ve got 
> the pan off the transmission.
> 
> I just did mine on the 300D, and it shifts like a totally different car.  The 
> 2-3 isn’t “stacked” like it used to be and the 3-4 comes in later and is 
> smooth.
> 
> I can get you the part number if you want it along with some instructions.  
> The parts are the same for both, which makes it even simpler.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:00 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well as a 
> > delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by adjustment. 
> > Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission from Sun in 
> > California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to slightly 
> > backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to 3 gear 
> > until I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the transmission 
> > shifted normally.
> > Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it the same 
> > way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt transmission although 
> > I might spend a little over $100 and install a new (B-2?) piston through a 
> > plate in the side of the transmission since I've been told that would 
> > correct the problem.
> > It is a 722.315 transmission.
> > YMMV
> > Gerry
> > 
> 
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I agree that is not a delay

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:23 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> That's not a delay. all of my cars have done that into drive all the time. 
> The transmission in my TD has taken 3 seconds into reverse since it's been in 
> there. Could be a band adjustment would take care of it. Anyone know where 
> and how tight to adjust it? I don't have a manual for the transmission on a 
> 123.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Maybe a one Mississippi, a little more possibly.  Not like 405 seconds.  PO 
>> said it had done it as long as he owned the car, and it’s done it for me as 
>> well, so I’m not worried about it.
>> Heck, even if I have to put a Sun Valley rebuild in it it’s well worth it 
>> when the time comes.
>> -D
>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> But how long is he delay?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 9, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 Done it for over six years, according to the PO.  A non-issue as far as 
 I'm concerned. All other shifts are crisp and on the money.
 
 It got a Mann filter and Febi fluid change when I got it, and the pan was 
 clean as was the magnet in it.  Fluid was fine and smelled good.
 
 -D
 
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Here ya go!   Wave when ya go by!

https://neworleans.craigslist.org/cto/5954070453.html  Cheep vagon.

Or better, stop and have some crawdaddies, jambalaya, or shrimpies.

Kyle Arola via Mercedes 
February 9, 2017 at 1:31 PM
Manfred, that is what I was thinking as well. I did some research on the
rebuild and if I have good post one then the cost is not too bad. I will
think on it and keep my eyes peeled for a spare wagon. If it is a steal it
would be silly to pass it up.

Kyle


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[MG via Mercedes]

That's not a delay. all of my cars have done that into drive all 
the time. The transmission in my TD has taken 3 seconds into 
reverse since it's been in there. Could be a band adjustment 
would take care of it. Anyone know where and how tight to adjust 
it? I don't have a manual for the transmission on a 123.


Manfred


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Maybe a one Mississippi, a little more possibly.  Not like 405 seconds.  PO 
said it had done it as long as he owned the car, and it’s done it for me as 
well, so I’m not worried about it.

Heck, even if I have to put a Sun Valley rebuild in it it’s well worth it when 
the time comes.

-D


On Feb 9, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

But how long is he delay?

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 9, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

Done it for over six years, according to the PO.  A non-issue as far as I'm 
concerned. All other shifts are crisp and on the money.

It got a Mann filter and Febi fluid change when I got it, and the pan was clean 
as was the magnet in it.  Fluid was fine and smelled good.

-D

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[MG via Mercedes]

Mine doesn't hesitate between 2-3 so probably the B2 piton won't 
need any fix. I was just poking at Andrew about needing a new 
transmission. I'll try to do an adjustment and see if it helps. 
Can you send me instructions on how to do that?


Manfred

archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well as a delay 
between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by adjustment. 
Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission from Sun in 
California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to slightly backing 
off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to 3 gear until I did it 
without thinking about it. By doing that the transmission shifted normally.
Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it the same way 
and will never get around to installing a rebuilt transmission although I might 
spend a little over $100 and install a new (B-2?) piston through a plate in the 
side of the transmission since I've been told that would correct the problem.
It is a 722.315 transmission.
YMMV
Gerry

MG wrote:
The transmission in my TD has had a delay going into reverse for 
over 5 years now more then 20k miles. I guess I'll have to get a 
rebuilt tranny right quick now.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

How much of a delay when going into reverse?  That could be a forewarning.
My 1983 300TD exhibited that behavior a few weeks before permanently losing
reverse + all forward gears in the Home Depot parking lot. You might want
to start shopping for a good used transmission to lug around in the trunk.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


What Rick and Curt said.

These cars are built to a very different standard than you're used to.
While we all chuckle at the "million mile engine" claims in CL ads, there's
a lot more truth to that than many might believe.

Your car is barely broken in. Short of a catastrophic failure, to go out
and try to find a back up drive train is false economy, as it's unlikely
you'll ever need it.

Now I certainly wouldn't discourage someone from trying to find a tired
OM617 they can disassemble and rebuild as a learning experience and
potential backup if ever needed, but to purposely seek a drive train as a
spare would be silly, in my opinion, not to mention a waste of resources.

My 350SDL just turned 269,000 miles. Compression is great, it doesn't leak
or burn oil, and other than having a little delay when engaging reverse,
everything is in great working order. As long as I maintain it well there's
no reason why it wouldn't go another 260k or more without major work.  I'm
not about to tie up coin in a spare engine or transmission when there's no
need.

-D

Sent from my iPad


On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Theres no reason a gas powered car can't go 200,000 miles, then have top

end work and go another 200,000 miles.

You've been lied to your whole life about how often you need to replace

your car...

-Curt

 From: Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Kyle Arola <kylearola1...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

I guess I am just not used to thinking of a drive train lasting an
additional 600,000 miles in addition to the already almost 300k on it

now!

Hahaha! That would be amazing to be sure! I know there are OTR truckers
that get 1 million miles on their rigs, and I am guessing their diesels

are

similar engineering wise as far as robustness goes...

Just a paradigm shift in thinking for me as I am part of the throwaway
generation and have been taught to replace my car every 80k miles, or 10
years at most!

Kyle

On Feb 9, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" <

mercedes@okiebenz.com>

wrote:

Kyle sez:


True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be

prepared

so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace

and

get another 500k miles out of the wagon.

If you do proper maintenance and repairs, the wagon
should last your lifetime. The period for catastrophic failures
from manufacturing defects is long over.

You just have to stay on top of things and use premium parts
for maintenance and repairs. Rust is not an issue for
you, so no problem there.

Rick


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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

As did Larry.
(but a different kind of fool)


Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
February 9, 2017 at 4:50 PM


And avoid fools who may wreck it for you.
Our poor Wilton suffered that abuse.

RB


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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Oh geez, some of you might remember when John Peterson had a transmission 
"serviced" and they put a couple quarts too much trans fluid in and ruined it. 
Then a "dealership" put a rotten transmission in. Hadta get the MB zone rep to 
finally get things worked out at another dealership...
Scammers everywhere, a good indy is worth his weight.

-Curt


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 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
 Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 5:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
   
On 09/02/2017 11:10 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> Kyle sez:
>
>> True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
>> so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace and
>> get another 500k miles out of the wagon.
> If you do proper maintenance and repairs, the wagon
> should last your lifetime. The period for catastrophic failures
> from manufacturing defects is long over.
>
> You just have to stay on top of things and use premium parts
> for maintenance and repairs. Rust is not an issue for
> you, so no problem there.
>
> Rick
>
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Our poor Wilton suffered that abuse.

RB

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yes, if you’re working on a 722.3xx transmission.

-D



> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So you need 2
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Depends on the transmission model but in the case of a 722.3xx it replaces 
>> both the K1 and K2 accumulators.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I used to have the part number but if you can get it that would be great.
>>> 
>>> 


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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So you need 2

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> On Feb 9, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Depends on the transmission model but in the case of a 722.3xx it replaces 
> both the K1 and K2 accumulators.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I used to have the part number but if you can get it that would be great.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/9/2017 5:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Gerry,
>>> 
>>> It’s not a B2 piston you need, it’s the K1 and K2 valves.  They’re $5/each 
>>> from a dealer and take all of maybe 3-4 minutes to replace when you’ve got 
>>> the pan off the transmission.
>>> 
>>> I just did mine on the 300D, and it shifts like a totally different car.  
>>> The 2-3 isn’t “stacked” like it used to be and the 3-4 comes in later and 
>>> is smooth.
>>> 
>>> I can get you the part number if you want it along with some instructions.  
>>> The parts are the same for both, which makes it even simpler.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> 
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Depends on the transmission model but in the case of a 722.3xx it replaces both 
the K1 and K2 accumulators.

-D


> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I used to have the part number but if you can get it that would be great.
> 
> 
> On 2/9/2017 5:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Gerry,
>> 
>> It’s not a B2 piston you need, it’s the K1 and K2 valves.  They’re $5/each 
>> from a dealer and take all of maybe 3-4 minutes to replace when you’ve got 
>> the pan off the transmission.
>> 
>> I just did mine on the 300D, and it shifts like a totally different car.  
>> The 2-3 isn’t “stacked” like it used to be and the 3-4 comes in later and is 
>> smooth.
>> 
>> I can get you the part number if you want it along with some instructions.  
>> The parts are the same for both, which makes it even simpler.
>> 
>> -D
>> 


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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

How many do you need?

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> On Feb 9, 2017, at 5:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 126 270 44 77, “Spring Guide”.  Looks like it lists for around $6.75.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I used to have the part number but if you can get it that would be great.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/9/2017 5:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Gerry,
>>> 
>>> It’s not a B2 piston you need, it’s the K1 and K2 valves.  They’re $5/each 
>>> from a dealer and take all of maybe 3-4 minutes to replace when you’ve got 
>>> the pan off the transmission.
>>> 
>>> I just did mine on the 300D, and it shifts like a totally different car.  
>>> The 2-3 isn’t “stacked” like it used to be and the 3-4 comes in later and 
>>> is smooth.
>>> 
>>> I can get you the part number if you want it along with some instructions.  
>>> The parts are the same for both, which makes it even simpler.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> 
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

126 270 44 77, “Spring Guide”.  Looks like it lists for around $6.75.

-D



> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I used to have the part number but if you can get it that would be great.
> 
> 
> On 2/9/2017 5:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Gerry,
>> 
>> It’s not a B2 piston you need, it’s the K1 and K2 valves.  They’re $5/each 
>> from a dealer and take all of maybe 3-4 minutes to replace when you’ve got 
>> the pan off the transmission.
>> 
>> I just did mine on the 300D, and it shifts like a totally different car.  
>> The 2-3 isn’t “stacked” like it used to be and the 3-4 comes in later and is 
>> smooth.
>> 
>> I can get you the part number if you want it along with some instructions.  
>> The parts are the same for both, which makes it even simpler.
>> 
>> -D
>> 


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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Give me a second and I’l get it out of the file.

-D


> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I used to have the part number but if you can get it that would be great.
> 
> 
> On 2/9/2017 5:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Gerry,
>> 
>> It’s not a B2 piston you need, it’s the K1 and K2 valves.  They’re $5/each 
>> from a dealer and take all of maybe 3-4 minutes to replace when you’ve got 
>> the pan off the transmission.
>> 
>> I just did mine on the 300D, and it shifts like a totally different car.  
>> The 2-3 isn’t “stacked” like it used to be and the 3-4 comes in later and is 
>> smooth.
>> 
>> I can get you the part number if you want it along with some instructions.  
>> The parts are the same for both, which makes it even simpler.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:00 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well as a 
>>> delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by adjustment. 
>>> Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission from Sun in 
>>> California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to slightly 
>>> backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to 3 gear 
>>> until I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the transmission 
>>> shifted normally.
>>> Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it the same 
>>> way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt transmission although 
>>> I might spend a little over $100 and install a new (B-2?) piston through a 
>>> plate in the side of the transmission since I've been told that would 
>>> correct the problem.
>>> It is a 722.315 transmission.
>>> YMMV
>>> Gerry
>>> 
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I used to have the part number but if you can get it that would be 
great.



On 2/9/2017 5:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Gerry,

It’s not a B2 piston you need, it’s the K1 and K2 valves.  They’re $5/each from 
a dealer and take all of maybe 3-4 minutes to replace when you’ve got the pan 
off the transmission.

I just did mine on the 300D, and it shifts like a totally different car.  The 
2-3 isn’t “stacked” like it used to be and the 3-4 comes in later and is smooth.

I can get you the part number if you want it along with some instructions.  The 
parts are the same for both, which makes it even simpler.

-D



On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:00 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
wrote:

When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well as a delay 
between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by adjustment. 
Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission from Sun in 
California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to slightly backing 
off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to 3 gear until I did it 
without thinking about it. By doing that the transmission shifted normally.
Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it the same way 
and will never get around to installing a rebuilt transmission although I might 
spend a little over $100 and install a new (B-2?) piston through a plate in the 
side of the transmission since I've been told that would correct the problem.
It is a 722.315 transmission.
YMMV
Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Gerry,

It’s not a B2 piston you need, it’s the K1 and K2 valves.  They’re $5/each from 
a dealer and take all of maybe 3-4 minutes to replace when you’ve got the pan 
off the transmission.

I just did mine on the 300D, and it shifts like a totally different car.  The 
2-3 isn’t “stacked” like it used to be and the 3-4 comes in later and is smooth.

I can get you the part number if you want it along with some instructions.  The 
parts are the same for both, which makes it even simpler.

-D


> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:00 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well as a delay 
> between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by adjustment. 
> Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission from Sun in 
> California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to slightly 
> backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to 3 gear until 
> I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the transmission shifted 
> normally.
> Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it the same 
> way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt transmission although I 
> might spend a little over $100 and install a new (B-2?) piston through a 
> plate in the side of the transmission since I've been told that would correct 
> the problem.
> It is a 722.315 transmission.
> YMMV
> Gerry
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well as a delay 
between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by adjustment. 
Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission from Sun in 
California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to slightly backing 
off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to 3 gear until I did it 
without thinking about it. By doing that the transmission shifted normally.
Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it the same way 
and will never get around to installing a rebuilt transmission although I might 
spend a little over $100 and install a new (B-2?) piston through a plate in the 
side of the transmission since I've been told that would correct the problem.
It is a 722.315 transmission.
YMMV
Gerry

MG wrote:
> The transmission in my TD has had a delay going into reverse for 
> over 5 years now more then 20k miles. I guess I'll have to get a 
> rebuilt tranny right quick now.
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > How much of a delay when going into reverse?  That could be a forewarning.
> > My 1983 300TD exhibited that behavior a few weeks before permanently losing
> > reverse + all forward gears in the Home Depot parking lot. You might want
> > to start shopping for a good used transmission to lug around in the trunk.
> > 
> > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> What Rick and Curt said.
> >>
> >> These cars are built to a very different standard than you're used to.
> >> While we all chuckle at the "million mile engine" claims in CL ads, there's
> >> a lot more truth to that than many might believe.
> >>
> >> Your car is barely broken in. Short of a catastrophic failure, to go out
> >> and try to find a back up drive train is false economy, as it's unlikely
> >> you'll ever need it.
> >>
> >> Now I certainly wouldn't discourage someone from trying to find a tired
> >> OM617 they can disassemble and rebuild as a learning experience and
> >> potential backup if ever needed, but to purposely seek a drive train as a
> >> spare would be silly, in my opinion, not to mention a waste of resources.
> >>
> >> My 350SDL just turned 269,000 miles. Compression is great, it doesn't leak
> >> or burn oil, and other than having a little delay when engaging reverse,
> >> everything is in great working order. As long as I maintain it well there's
> >> no reason why it wouldn't go another 260k or more without major work.  I'm
> >> not about to tie up coin in a spare engine or transmission when there's no
> >> need.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> Theres no reason a gas powered car can't go 200,000 miles, then have top
> >> end work and go another 200,000 miles.
> >>> You've been lied to your whole life about how often you need to replace
> >> your car...
> >>> -Curt
> >>>
> >>>  From: Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> Cc: Kyle Arola <kylearola1...@gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:15 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
> >>>
> >>> I guess I am just not used to thinking of a drive train lasting an
> >>> additional 600,000 miles in addition to the already almost 300k on it
> >> now!
> >>> Hahaha! That would be amazing to be sure! I know there are OTR truckers
> >>> that get 1 million miles on their rigs, and I am guessing their diesels
> >> are
> >>> similar engineering wise as far as robustness goes...
> >>>
> >>> Just a paradigm shift in thinking for me as I am part of the throwaway
> >>> generation and have been taught to replace my car every 80k miles, or 10
> >>> years at most!
> >>>
> >>> Kyle
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 9, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Kyle sez:
> >>>
> >>>> True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be
> >> prepared
> >>>> so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to rep

Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 09/02/2017 11:10 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Kyle sez:


True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace and
get another 500k miles out of the wagon.

If you do proper maintenance and repairs, the wagon
should last your lifetime. The period for catastrophic failures
from manufacturing defects is long over.

You just have to stay on top of things and use premium parts
for maintenance and repairs. Rust is not an issue for
you, so no problem there.

Rick


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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Maybe a one Mississippi, a little more possibly.  Not like 405 seconds.  PO 
said it had done it as long as he owned the car, and it’s done it for me as 
well, so I’m not worried about it.

Heck, even if I have to put a Sun Valley rebuild in it it’s well worth it when 
the time comes.

-D

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> But how long is he delay?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Done it for over six years, according to the PO.  A non-issue as far as I'm 
>> concerned. All other shifts are crisp and on the money.
>> 
>> It got a Mann filter and Febi fluid change when I got it, and the pan was 
>> clean as was the magnet in it.  Fluid was fine and smelled good.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[MG via Mercedes]

That's why we are keeping it since it still works very nicely.

Manfred

clay via Mercedes wrote:

#1 boy picked up the w140 with over 240k on the clock.  My SL came to me with 
203K.  The ‘yodas get sold off when they approach 200k, since they are still in 
really good condition, but at the bottom of the value curve.

clay





On Feb 9, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:

Theres no reason a gas powered car can't go 200,000 miles, then have top end 
work and go another 200,000 miles.
You've been lied to your whole life about how often you need to replace your 
car...
-Curt

 From: Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Kyle Arola <kylearola1...@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

I guess I am just not used to thinking of a drive train lasting an
additional 600,000 miles in addition to the already almost 300k on it now!
Hahaha! That would be amazing to be sure! I know there are OTR truckers
that get 1 million miles on their rigs, and I am guessing their diesels are
similar engineering wise as far as robustness goes...

Just a paradigm shift in thinking for me as I am part of the throwaway
generation and have been taught to replace my car every 80k miles, or 10
years at most!

Kyle

On Feb 9, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

Kyle sez:


True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace and
get another 500k miles out of the wagon.

If you do proper maintenance and repairs, the wagon
should last your lifetime. The period for catastrophic failures
from manufacturing defects is long over.

You just have to stay on top of things and use premium parts
for maintenance and repairs. Rust is not an issue for
you, so no problem there.

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Tommy's W140 is approaching 300k and still going strong despite the eldest 
son's lack of care (sorry, Tom!). I stay on top of him on maintenance, but he's 
not a good housekeeper. Guess he didn't get the Martha gene

-D

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:10 PM, clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> #1 boy picked up the w140 with over 240k on the clock.  My SL came to me with 
> 203K.  The ‘yodas get sold off when they approach 200k, since they are still 
> in really good condition, but at the bottom of the value curve.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Theres no reason a gas powered car can't go 200,000 miles, then have top end 
>> work and go another 200,000 miles.
>> You've been lied to your whole life about how often you need to replace your 
>> car...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> From: Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> Cc: Kyle Arola <kylearola1...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
>> 
>> I guess I am just not used to thinking of a drive train lasting an
>> additional 600,000 miles in addition to the already almost 300k on it now!
>> Hahaha! That would be amazing to be sure! I know there are OTR truckers
>> that get 1 million miles on their rigs, and I am guessing their diesels are
>> similar engineering wise as far as robustness goes...
>> 
>> Just a paradigm shift in thinking for me as I am part of the throwaway
>> generation and have been taught to replace my car every 80k miles, or 10
>> years at most!
>> 
>> Kyle
>> 
>> On Feb 9, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Kyle sez:
>> 
>>> True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
>>> so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace and
>>> get another 500k miles out of the wagon.
>> 
>> If you do proper maintenance and repairs, the wagon
>> should last your lifetime. The period for catastrophic failures
>> from manufacturing defects is long over.
>> 
>> You just have to stay on top of things and use premium parts
>> for maintenance and repairs. Rust is not an issue for
>> you, so no problem there.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
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[clay via Mercedes]

#1 boy picked up the w140 with over 240k on the clock.  My SL came to me with 
203K.  The ‘yodas get sold off when they approach 200k, since they are still in 
really good condition, but at the bottom of the value curve.

clay




> On Feb 9, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Theres no reason a gas powered car can't go 200,000 miles, then have top end 
> work and go another 200,000 miles.
> You've been lied to your whole life about how often you need to replace your 
> car...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: Kyle Arola <kylearola1...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
> 
> I guess I am just not used to thinking of a drive train lasting an
> additional 600,000 miles in addition to the already almost 300k on it now!
> Hahaha! That would be amazing to be sure! I know there are OTR truckers
> that get 1 million miles on their rigs, and I am guessing their diesels are
> similar engineering wise as far as robustness goes...
> 
> Just a paradigm shift in thinking for me as I am part of the throwaway
> generation and have been taught to replace my car every 80k miles, or 10
> years at most!
> 
> Kyle
> 
> On Feb 9, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Kyle sez:
> 
>> True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
>> so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace and
>> get another 500k miles out of the wagon.
> 
> If you do proper maintenance and repairs, the wagon
> should last your lifetime. The period for catastrophic failures
> from manufacturing defects is long over.
> 
> You just have to stay on top of things and use premium parts
> for maintenance and repairs. Rust is not an issue for
> you, so no problem there.
> 
> Rick
> 
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[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

"if I have good post one then the cost is not too bad."

Should have read, if I have good pistons

Kyle

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Kyle Arola  wrote:

> Manfred, that is what I was thinking as well. I did some research on the
> rebuild and if I have good post one then the cost is not too bad.  I will
> think on it and keep my eyes peeled for a spare wagon.  If it is a steal it
> would be silly to pass it up.
>
> Kyle
>
> Kyle
>
> On Feb 9, 2017 2:25 PM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:
>
>> If I was you I would look for another engine for the TD even if it
>> doesn't run. Get it real cheap and have it rebuilt. That's about $7000 or
>> so but then you have an engine that will "run a million miles". ;-) Or at
>> least you will know how a new engine runs and be the only one who has
>> worked on it from new. You can do the same with the transmission for a lot
>> less. I think around $1700 to $1900 or so from the place in California. At
>> those prices I wouldn't wait as they will only go up.
>>
>> Manfred
>>
>> Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
>>> so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace
>>> and
>>> get another 500k miles out of the wagon. If I love that long...
>>>
>>> Kyle
>>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2017 7:25 PM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The good news is... it is a very well made car that can last and last, if
 you take good care of it.

 I'm in a similar boat with my '95 E300, which has its own collection of
 unique single-model-year parts (exhaust, IP, monovalve, ...).

 -
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[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

Manfred, that is what I was thinking as well. I did some research on the
rebuild and if I have good post one then the cost is not too bad.  I will
think on it and keep my eyes peeled for a spare wagon.  If it is a steal it
would be silly to pass it up.

Kyle

Kyle

On Feb 9, 2017 2:25 PM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:

> If I was you I would look for another engine for the TD even if it doesn't
> run. Get it real cheap and have it rebuilt. That's about $7000 or so but
> then you have an engine that will "run a million miles". ;-) Or at least
> you will know how a new engine runs and be the only one who has worked on
> it from new. You can do the same with the transmission for a lot less. I
> think around $1700 to $1900 or so from the place in California. At those
> prices I wouldn't wait as they will only go up.
>
> Manfred
>
> Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
>> so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace
>> and
>> get another 500k miles out of the wagon. If I love that long...
>>
>> Kyle
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2017 7:25 PM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The good news is... it is a very well made car that can last and last, if
>>> you take good care of it.
>>>
>>> I'm in a similar boat with my '95 E300, which has its own collection of
>>> unique single-model-year parts (exhaust, IP, monovalve, ...).
>>>
>>> -
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>>> Charleston SC
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[MG via Mercedes]

The transmission in my TD has had a delay going into reverse for 
over 5 years now more then 20k miles. I guess I'll have to get a 
rebuilt tranny right quick now.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

How much of a delay when going into reverse?  That could be a forewarning.
My 1983 300TD exhibited that behavior a few weeks before permanently losing
reverse + all forward gears in the Home Depot parking lot. You might want
to start shopping for a good used transmission to lug around in the trunk.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


What Rick and Curt said.

These cars are built to a very different standard than you're used to.
While we all chuckle at the "million mile engine" claims in CL ads, there's
a lot more truth to that than many might believe.

Your car is barely broken in. Short of a catastrophic failure, to go out
and try to find a back up drive train is false economy, as it's unlikely
you'll ever need it.

Now I certainly wouldn't discourage someone from trying to find a tired
OM617 they can disassemble and rebuild as a learning experience and
potential backup if ever needed, but to purposely seek a drive train as a
spare would be silly, in my opinion, not to mention a waste of resources.

My 350SDL just turned 269,000 miles. Compression is great, it doesn't leak
or burn oil, and other than having a little delay when engaging reverse,
everything is in great working order. As long as I maintain it well there's
no reason why it wouldn't go another 260k or more without major work.  I'm
not about to tie up coin in a spare engine or transmission when there's no
need.

-D

Sent from my iPad


On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Theres no reason a gas powered car can't go 200,000 miles, then have top

end work and go another 200,000 miles.

You've been lied to your whole life about how often you need to replace

your car...

-Curt

 From: Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Kyle Arola <kylearola1...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

I guess I am just not used to thinking of a drive train lasting an
additional 600,000 miles in addition to the already almost 300k on it

now!

Hahaha! That would be amazing to be sure! I know there are OTR truckers
that get 1 million miles on their rigs, and I am guessing their diesels

are

similar engineering wise as far as robustness goes...

Just a paradigm shift in thinking for me as I am part of the throwaway
generation and have been taught to replace my car every 80k miles, or 10
years at most!

Kyle

On Feb 9, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" <

mercedes@okiebenz.com>

wrote:

Kyle sez:


True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be

prepared

so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace

and

get another 500k miles out of the wagon.

If you do proper maintenance and repairs, the wagon
should last your lifetime. The period for catastrophic failures
from manufacturing defects is long over.

You just have to stay on top of things and use premium parts
for maintenance and repairs. Rust is not an issue for
you, so no problem there.

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[MG via Mercedes]

If I was you I would look for another engine for the TD even if 
it doesn't run. Get it real cheap and have it rebuilt. That's 
about $7000 or so but then you have an engine that will "run a 
million miles". ;-) Or at least you will know how a new engine 
runs and be the only one who has worked on it from new. You can 
do the same with the transmission for a lot less. I think around 
$1700 to $1900 or so from the place in California. At those 
prices I wouldn't wait as they will only go up.


Manfred

Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:

True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace and
get another 500k miles out of the wagon. If I love that long...

Kyle

On Feb 8, 2017 7:25 PM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:


The good news is... it is a very well made car that can last and last, if
you take good care of it.

I'm in a similar boat with my '95 E300, which has its own collection of
unique single-model-year parts (exhaust, IP, monovalve, ...).

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[MG via Mercedes]

For sure. My wife's 03 Tacoma 4 cyl has 286,000mi and is still 
going strong with not even any leaks. I can't complain.


Manfred

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Theres no reason a gas powered car can't go 200,000 miles, then have top end 
work and go another 200,000 miles.
You've been lied to your whole life about how often you need to replace your 
car...
-Curt

  From: Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Kyle Arola <kylearola1...@gmail.com>

 Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
   
I guess I am just not used to thinking of a drive train lasting an

additional 600,000 miles in addition to the already almost 300k on it now!
Hahaha! That would be amazing to be sure! I know there are OTR truckers
that get 1 million miles on their rigs, and I am guessing their diesels are
similar engineering wise as far as robustness goes...

Just a paradigm shift in thinking for me as I am part of the throwaway
generation and have been taught to replace my car every 80k miles, or 10
years at most!

Kyle

On Feb 9, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

Kyle sez:


True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace and
get another 500k miles out of the wagon.


If you do proper maintenance and repairs, the wagon
should last your lifetime. The period for catastrophic failures
from manufacturing defects is long over.

You just have to stay on top of things and use premium parts
for maintenance and repairs. Rust is not an issue for
you, so no problem there.

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

But how long is he delay?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Done it for over six years, according to the PO.  A non-issue as far as I'm 
> concerned. All other shifts are crisp and on the money.
> 
> It got a Mann filter and Febi fluid change when I got it, and the pan was 
> clean as was the magnet in it.  Fluid was fine and smelled good.
> 
> -D
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> How much of a delay when going into reverse?  That could be a forewarning.  
>> My 1983 300TD exhibited that behavior a few weeks before permanently losing 
>> reverse + all forward gears in the Home Depot parking lot. You might want to 
>> start shopping for a good used transmission to lug around in the trunk.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> What Rick and Curt said.
>>> 
>>> These cars are built to a very different standard than you're used to. 
>>> While we all chuckle at the "million mile engine" claims in CL ads, there's 
>>> a lot more truth to that than many might believe.
>>> 
>>> Your car is barely broken in. Short of a catastrophic failure, to go out 
>>> and try to find a back up drive train is false economy, as it's unlikely 
>>> you'll ever need it.
>>> 
>>> Now I certainly wouldn't discourage someone from trying to find a tired 
>>> OM617 they can disassemble and rebuild as a learning experience and 
>>> potential backup if ever needed, but to purposely seek a drive train as a 
>>> spare would be silly, in my opinion, not to mention a waste of resources.
>>> 
>>> My 350SDL just turned 269,000 miles. Compression is great, it doesn't leak 
>>> or burn oil, and other than having a little delay when engaging reverse, 
>>> everything is in great working order. As long as I maintain it well there's 
>>> no reason why it wouldn't go another 260k or more without major work.  I'm 
>>> not about to tie up coin in a spare engine or transmission when there's no 
>>> need.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Theres no reason a gas powered car can't go 200,000 miles, then have top 
>>>> end work and go another 200,000 miles.
>>>> You've been lied to your whole life about how often you need to replace 
>>>> your car...
>>>> -Curt
>>>> 
>>>> From: Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>> Cc: Kyle Arola <kylearola1...@gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
>>>> 
>>>> I guess I am just not used to thinking of a drive train lasting an
>>>> additional 600,000 miles in addition to the already almost 300k on it now!
>>>> Hahaha! That would be amazing to be sure! I know there are OTR truckers
>>>> that get 1 million miles on their rigs, and I am guessing their diesels are
>>>> similar engineering wise as far as robustness goes...
>>>> 
>>>> Just a paradigm shift in thinking for me as I am part of the throwaway
>>>> generation and have been taught to replace my car every 80k miles, or 10
>>>> years at most!
>>>> 
>>>> Kyle
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Kyle sez:
>>>> 
>>>>> True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
>>>>> so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace 
>>>>> and
>>>>> get another 500k miles out of the wagon.
>>>> 
>>>> If you do proper maintenance and repairs, the wagon
>>>> should last your lifetime. The period for catastrophic failures
>>>> from manufacturing defects is long over.
>>>> 
>>>> You just have to stay on top of things and use premium parts
>>>> for maintenance and repairs. Rust is not an issue for
>>>> you, so no problem there.
>>>> 
>>>> Rick
>>>> 

Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Unless you happen to come across a cheap enough deal on one. Of course I have 
many spare drive trains, but that's just me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> What Rick and Curt said.
> 
> These cars are built to a very different standard than you're used to. While 
> we all chuckle at the "million mile engine" claims in CL ads, there's a lot 
> more truth to that than many might believe.
> 
> Your car is barely broken in. Short of a catastrophic failure, to go out and 
> try to find a back up drive train is false economy, as it's unlikely you'll 
> ever need it.
> 
> Now I certainly wouldn't discourage someone from trying to find a tired OM617 
> they can disassemble and rebuild as a learning experience and potential 
> backup if ever needed, but to purposely seek a drive train as a spare would 
> be silly, in my opinion, not to mention a waste of resources.
> 
> My 350SDL just turned 269,000 miles. Compression is great, it doesn't leak or 
> burn oil, and other than having a little delay when engaging reverse, 
> everything is in great working order. As long as I maintain it well there's 
> no reason why it wouldn't go another 260k or more without major work.  I'm 
> not about to tie up coin in a spare engine or transmission when there's no 
> need.
> 
> -D
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Theres no reason a gas powered car can't go 200,000 miles, then have top end 
>> work and go another 200,000 miles.
>> You've been lied to your whole life about how often you need to replace your 
>> car...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> From: Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> Cc: Kyle Arola <kylearola1...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
>> 
>> I guess I am just not used to thinking of a drive train lasting an
>> additional 600,000 miles in addition to the already almost 300k on it now!
>> Hahaha! That would be amazing to be sure! I know there are OTR truckers
>> that get 1 million miles on their rigs, and I am guessing their diesels are
>> similar engineering wise as far as robustness goes...
>> 
>> Just a paradigm shift in thinking for me as I am part of the throwaway
>> generation and have been taught to replace my car every 80k miles, or 10
>> years at most!
>> 
>> Kyle
>> 
>> On Feb 9, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Kyle sez:
>> 
>>> True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
>>> so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace and
>>> get another 500k miles out of the wagon.
>> 
>> If you do proper maintenance and repairs, the wagon
>> should last your lifetime. The period for catastrophic failures
>> from manufacturing defects is long over.
>> 
>> You just have to stay on top of things and use premium parts
>> for maintenance and repairs. Rust is not an issue for
>> you, so no problem there.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Done it for over six years, according to the PO.  A non-issue as far as I'm 
concerned. All other shifts are crisp and on the money.

It got a Mann filter and Febi fluid change when I got it, and the pan was clean 
as was the magnet in it.  Fluid was fine and smelled good.

-D

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> How much of a delay when going into reverse?  That could be a forewarning.  
> My 1983 300TD exhibited that behavior a few weeks before permanently losing 
> reverse + all forward gears in the Home Depot parking lot. You might want to 
> start shopping for a good used transmission to lug around in the trunk.
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> wrote:
>> What Rick and Curt said.
>> 
>> These cars are built to a very different standard than you're used to. While 
>> we all chuckle at the "million mile engine" claims in CL ads, there's a lot 
>> more truth to that than many might believe.
>> 
>> Your car is barely broken in. Short of a catastrophic failure, to go out and 
>> try to find a back up drive train is false economy, as it's unlikely you'll 
>> ever need it.
>> 
>> Now I certainly wouldn't discourage someone from trying to find a tired 
>> OM617 they can disassemble and rebuild as a learning experience and 
>> potential backup if ever needed, but to purposely seek a drive train as a 
>> spare would be silly, in my opinion, not to mention a waste of resources.
>> 
>> My 350SDL just turned 269,000 miles. Compression is great, it doesn't leak 
>> or burn oil, and other than having a little delay when engaging reverse, 
>> everything is in great working order. As long as I maintain it well there's 
>> no reason why it wouldn't go another 260k or more without major work.  I'm 
>> not about to tie up coin in a spare engine or transmission when there's no 
>> need.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> > On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Theres no reason a gas powered car can't go 200,000 miles, then have top 
>> > end work and go another 200,000 miles.
>> > You've been lied to your whole life about how often you need to replace 
>> > your car...
>> > -Curt
>> >
>> >  From: Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > Cc: Kyle Arola <kylearola1...@gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:15 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
>> >
>> > I guess I am just not used to thinking of a drive train lasting an
>> > additional 600,000 miles in addition to the already almost 300k on it now!
>> > Hahaha! That would be amazing to be sure! I know there are OTR truckers
>> > that get 1 million miles on their rigs, and I am guessing their diesels are
>> > similar engineering wise as far as robustness goes...
>> >
>> > Just a paradigm shift in thinking for me as I am part of the throwaway
>> > generation and have been taught to replace my car every 80k miles, or 10
>> > years at most!
>> >
>> > Kyle
>> >
>> > On Feb 9, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Kyle sez:
>> >
>> >> True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
>> >> so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace 
>> >> and
>> >> get another 500k miles out of the wagon.
>> >
>> > If you do proper maintenance and repairs, the wagon
>> > should last your lifetime. The period for catastrophic failures
>> > from manufacturing defects is long over.
>> >
>> > You just have to stay on top of things and use premium parts
>> > for maintenance and repairs. Rust is not an issue for
>> > you, so no problem there.
>> >
>> > Rick
>> >
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

How much of a delay when going into reverse?  That could be a forewarning.
My 1983 300TD exhibited that behavior a few weeks before permanently losing
reverse + all forward gears in the Home Depot parking lot. You might want
to start shopping for a good used transmission to lug around in the trunk.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> What Rick and Curt said.
>
> These cars are built to a very different standard than you're used to.
> While we all chuckle at the "million mile engine" claims in CL ads, there's
> a lot more truth to that than many might believe.
>
> Your car is barely broken in. Short of a catastrophic failure, to go out
> and try to find a back up drive train is false economy, as it's unlikely
> you'll ever need it.
>
> Now I certainly wouldn't discourage someone from trying to find a tired
> OM617 they can disassemble and rebuild as a learning experience and
> potential backup if ever needed, but to purposely seek a drive train as a
> spare would be silly, in my opinion, not to mention a waste of resources.
>
> My 350SDL just turned 269,000 miles. Compression is great, it doesn't leak
> or burn oil, and other than having a little delay when engaging reverse,
> everything is in great working order. As long as I maintain it well there's
> no reason why it wouldn't go another 260k or more without major work.  I'm
> not about to tie up coin in a spare engine or transmission when there's no
> need.
>
> -D
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Theres no reason a gas powered car can't go 200,000 miles, then have top
> end work and go another 200,000 miles.
> > You've been lied to your whole life about how often you need to replace
> your car...
> > -Curt
> >
> >  From: Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: Kyle Arola <kylearola1...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
> >
> > I guess I am just not used to thinking of a drive train lasting an
> > additional 600,000 miles in addition to the already almost 300k on it
> now!
> > Hahaha! That would be amazing to be sure! I know there are OTR truckers
> > that get 1 million miles on their rigs, and I am guessing their diesels
> are
> > similar engineering wise as far as robustness goes...
> >
> > Just a paradigm shift in thinking for me as I am part of the throwaway
> > generation and have been taught to replace my car every 80k miles, or 10
> > years at most!
> >
> > Kyle
> >
> > On Feb 9, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Kyle sez:
> >
> >> True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be
> prepared
> >> so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace
> and
> >> get another 500k miles out of the wagon.
> >
> > If you do proper maintenance and repairs, the wagon
> > should last your lifetime. The period for catastrophic failures
> > from manufacturing defects is long over.
> >
> > You just have to stay on top of things and use premium parts
> > for maintenance and repairs. Rust is not an issue for
> > you, so no problem there.
> >
> > Rick
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

What Rick and Curt said.

These cars are built to a very different standard than you're used to. While we 
all chuckle at the "million mile engine" claims in CL ads, there's a lot more 
truth to that than many might believe.

Your car is barely broken in. Short of a catastrophic failure, to go out and 
try to find a back up drive train is false economy, as it's unlikely you'll 
ever need it.

Now I certainly wouldn't discourage someone from trying to find a tired OM617 
they can disassemble and rebuild as a learning experience and potential backup 
if ever needed, but to purposely seek a drive train as a spare would be silly, 
in my opinion, not to mention a waste of resources.

My 350SDL just turned 269,000 miles. Compression is great, it doesn't leak or 
burn oil, and other than having a little delay when engaging reverse, 
everything is in great working order. As long as I maintain it well there's no 
reason why it wouldn't go another 260k or more without major work.  I'm not 
about to tie up coin in a spare engine or transmission when there's no need.

-D

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Theres no reason a gas powered car can't go 200,000 miles, then have top end 
> work and go another 200,000 miles.
> You've been lied to your whole life about how often you need to replace your 
> car...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: Kyle Arola <kylearola1...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
> 
> I guess I am just not used to thinking of a drive train lasting an
> additional 600,000 miles in addition to the already almost 300k on it now!
> Hahaha! That would be amazing to be sure! I know there are OTR truckers
> that get 1 million miles on their rigs, and I am guessing their diesels are
> similar engineering wise as far as robustness goes...
> 
> Just a paradigm shift in thinking for me as I am part of the throwaway
> generation and have been taught to replace my car every 80k miles, or 10
> years at most!
> 
> Kyle
> 
> On Feb 9, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Kyle sez:
> 
>> True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
>> so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace and
>> get another 500k miles out of the wagon.
> 
> If you do proper maintenance and repairs, the wagon
> should last your lifetime. The period for catastrophic failures
> from manufacturing defects is long over.
> 
> You just have to stay on top of things and use premium parts
> for maintenance and repairs. Rust is not an issue for
> you, so no problem there.
> 
> Rick
> 
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Theres no reason a gas powered car can't go 200,000 miles, then have top end 
work and go another 200,000 miles.
You've been lied to your whole life about how often you need to replace your 
car...
-Curt

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I guess I am just not used to thinking of a drive train lasting an
additional 600,000 miles in addition to the already almost 300k on it now!
Hahaha! That would be amazing to be sure! I know there are OTR truckers
that get 1 million miles on their rigs, and I am guessing their diesels are
similar engineering wise as far as robustness goes...

Just a paradigm shift in thinking for me as I am part of the throwaway
generation and have been taught to replace my car every 80k miles, or 10
years at most!

Kyle

On Feb 9, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

Kyle sez:

>True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
>so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace and
>get another 500k miles out of the wagon.

If you do proper maintenance and repairs, the wagon
should last your lifetime. The period for catastrophic failures
from manufacturing defects is long over.

You just have to stay on top of things and use premium parts
for maintenance and repairs. Rust is not an issue for
you, so no problem there.

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Staying on top of things is #1, if you let something stay broken the next time 
something breaks it has a major psychological effect...
I've got Angie's Golf nearly up to 100% and intend to keep it there. On the 
other hand my Jetta is pretty much at the point where I only fix what is 
absolutely required to keep it road worthy...
-Curt

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Kyle sez:

>True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
>so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace and
>get another 500k miles out of the wagon.

If you do proper maintenance and repairs, the wagon
should last your lifetime. The period for catastrophic failures
from manufacturing defects is long over. 

You just have to stay on top of things and use premium parts
for maintenance and repairs. Rust is not an issue for 
you, so no problem there.

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

I guess I am just not used to thinking of a drive train lasting an
additional 600,000 miles in addition to the already almost 300k on it now!
Hahaha! That would be amazing to be sure! I know there are OTR truckers
that get 1 million miles on their rigs, and I am guessing their diesels are
similar engineering wise as far as robustness goes...

Just a paradigm shift in thinking for me as I am part of the throwaway
generation and have been taught to replace my car every 80k miles, or 10
years at most!

Kyle

On Feb 9, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Kyle sez:

>True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
>so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace and
>get another 500k miles out of the wagon.

If you do proper maintenance and repairs, the wagon
should last your lifetime. The period for catastrophic failures
from manufacturing defects is long over.

You just have to stay on top of things and use premium parts
for maintenance and repairs. Rust is not an issue for
you, so no problem there.

Rick


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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Kyle sez:

>True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
>so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace and
>get another 500k miles out of the wagon.

If you do proper maintenance and repairs, the wagon
should last your lifetime. The period for catastrophic failures
from manufacturing defects is long over. 

You just have to stay on top of things and use premium parts
for maintenance and repairs. Rust is not an issue for 
you, so no problem there.

Rick


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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I don't see a replacement engine as the way to go about that. If it needs it 
rebuild/repair what you've got. You know how its been treated so its a better 
platform for repair. A new to you engine comes with an unknown history...
-Curt

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True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace and
get another 500k miles out of the wagon. If I love that long...

Kyle

On Feb 8, 2017 7:25 PM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> The good news is... it is a very well made car that can last and last, if
> you take good care of it.
>
> I'm in a similar boat with my '95 E300, which has its own collection of
> unique single-model-year parts (exhaust, IP, monovalve, ...).
>
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

True, I am counting on the last and last part. I also want to be prepared
so that in another 100k miles I have the engine/transmission to replace and
get another 500k miles out of the wagon. If I love that long...

Kyle

On Feb 8, 2017 7:25 PM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> The good news is... it is a very well made car that can last and last, if
> you take good care of it.
>
> I'm in a similar boat with my '95 E300, which has its own collection of
> unique single-model-year parts (exhaust, IP, monovalve, ...).
>
> -
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

The good news is... it is a very well made car that can last and last, if
you take good care of it.

I'm in a similar boat with my '95 E300, which has its own collection of
unique single-model-year parts (exhaust, IP, monovalve, ...).

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[MG via Mercedes]

Yes the wagon rear doors are different.
Probably best to get the whole wagon just in case. May need rear 
hatch, rear side windows, various trim strips, sliding roof, rear 
seats etc.


Manfred

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Kyle, the SD is the "S-Class" and as you've learned there are a lot of
differences.

Your '85 version TD is unique in several ways, let's see how many I can get
right.

(1) the head for the SLS pump, any other 123 wagon engine will work.

(2) Tail lights, rear bumper lights

(3) Tailgate hardware and wiper motor with fluid reservoir

(4) Third row rear seat stuff including belts

(6) SLS rear suspension _may_ share some parts with 126 500SEL cars with
SLS, like the control valve, struts.

(7) '85 123 cars have a different injection pump with the IP timing port

(8) '85 123 cars have KLIMA relay with the AC compressor belt saving
function (does that make the AC compressor different as well, for the speed
sensor?)

(9) '85 123 cars have a different transmission from earlier 123 cars

(10) '85 123 cars have a different differential from earlier 123 cars

(11) Yours is an '85 California version?  Different air cleaner?  Other
differences for emmisions?

(12) wagons have different muffler system

(13) wagons have different fuel tank, fuel level sender

In other words, if you ever run across a wagon for parts, you'll want to
collect the parts mentioned above "just in case".

Are the 123 wagon rear doors different from sedans?

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[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

Holy poop!!!

Mind blown...

The motor is a Cali... I did do the egr and can delete already but lots of
air cleaner difference.

I am guessing that a donor 85 wagon is in my future. Hahaha!

Kyle

On Feb 8, 2017 6:43 PM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Kyle, the SD is the "S-Class" and as you've learned there are a lot of
differences.

Your '85 version TD is unique in several ways, let's see how many I can get
right.

(1) the head for the SLS pump, any other 123 wagon engine will work.

(2) Tail lights, rear bumper lights

(3) Tailgate hardware and wiper motor with fluid reservoir

(4) Third row rear seat stuff including belts

(6) SLS rear suspension _may_ share some parts with 126 500SEL cars with
SLS, like the control valve, struts.

(7) '85 123 cars have a different injection pump with the IP timing port

(8) '85 123 cars have KLIMA relay with the AC compressor belt saving
function (does that make the AC compressor different as well, for the speed
sensor?)

(9) '85 123 cars have a different transmission from earlier 123 cars

(10) '85 123 cars have a different differential from earlier 123 cars

(11) Yours is an '85 California version?  Different air cleaner?  Other
differences for emmisions?

(12) wagons have different muffler system

(13) wagons have different fuel tank, fuel level sender

In other words, if you ever run across a wagon for parts, you'll want to
collect the parts mentioned above "just in case".

Are the 123 wagon rear doors different from sedans?

-
Max
Charleston SC
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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Kyle, the SD is the "S-Class" and as you've learned there are a lot of
differences.

Your '85 version TD is unique in several ways, let's see how many I can get
right.

(1) the head for the SLS pump, any other 123 wagon engine will work.

(2) Tail lights, rear bumper lights

(3) Tailgate hardware and wiper motor with fluid reservoir

(4) Third row rear seat stuff including belts

(6) SLS rear suspension _may_ share some parts with 126 500SEL cars with
SLS, like the control valve, struts.

(7) '85 123 cars have a different injection pump with the IP timing port

(8) '85 123 cars have KLIMA relay with the AC compressor belt saving
function (does that make the AC compressor different as well, for the speed
sensor?)

(9) '85 123 cars have a different transmission from earlier 123 cars

(10) '85 123 cars have a different differential from earlier 123 cars

(11) Yours is an '85 California version?  Different air cleaner?  Other
differences for emmisions?

(12) wagons have different muffler system

(13) wagons have different fuel tank, fuel level sender

In other words, if you ever run across a wagon for parts, you'll want to
collect the parts mentioned above "just in case".

Are the 123 wagon rear doors different from sedans?

-
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Charleston SC
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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 17:49:45 -0500 Kyle Arola via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Oh man!!! That is a ton of difference.

Well, your TD is a W123. The SD is a W126, a totally different car.


> Thanks Manfred for the dose of knowledge! I really did figure they were
> mostly the same. I can see I was a bit off... Hahaha!

Yes.


Craig

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[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

Every 3rd for me. 15k miles. I will do them before the 50k mile goal, the
goal is trouble free driving, not maintenance free driving!

Probably good I clarify that.

Kyle

On Feb 8, 2017 5:53 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Valves are like every second oil change aren't they?
> -Curt
>
>   From: Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> Cc: Kyle Arola <kylearola1...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 5:49 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
>
> Oh man!!! That is a ton of difference. I did not call her today as the head
> issue was enough. I am going to finish the front brakes, time the ip and
> set the valves, run the diesel purge through and then rebuild and pressure
> check the injectors. That should take care of me for another 50,000 miles
> or so!
>
> Thanks Manfred for the dose of knowledge! I really did figure they were
> mostly the same. I can see I was a bit off... Hahaha!
>
> On Feb 8, 2017 5:44 PM, "MG via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes the head is the one major difference. You may have to change the
> > tailhousing and speedo gear drive on the transmission. The 84 SD that I
> > took the transmission out of had an electronic speedo so in order to use
> it
> > in my TD I had to change the tailhousing and the speedo drive gear from
> the
> > original TD transmission to the SD transmission. It all still works
> great.
> > I probably should have changed out the torque converter also but other
> then
> > a slightly higher stall speed it has worked fine.
> >
> > The interior parts have a lot of differences. You will not be able to use
> > the vacuum door lock parts unless you also use the electric switches and
> > the electric vacuum/pressure pump from the SD. The window winders are
> also
> > different and can be used with some modification to the lift arm ends.
> If I
> > remember correctly. switches and ACC controls are the same as well as the
> > vacuum pods for the climate control but I do believe the evaporator and
> air
> > box stuff may be different.
> >
> > Manfred
> >
> > Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Manfred!
> >>
> >> So, if I understand correctly, the difference between the om617 sedan
> and
> >> wagon motors are the heads? And that is because of the SLS pump,
> correct?
> >> That is the only "major" difference? My google search on the subject was
> >> sorely lacking in good results.
> >>
> >> From my reading the transmission and drive train are all the same, along
> >>>
> >> with the vacuum parts and the ACC, most interior door parts etc. Is that
> >> right?
> >>
> >> Kyle
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 7, 2017 5:56 PM, "MG via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> No I don't know anything about that one. It looks kind of like one that
> >>> was for sale in the Ocala area about 2 years or so ago.
> >>> I think that one was on a farm or something.
> >>>
> >>> Manfred
> >>>
> >>> Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Here is a local machine!  I may check it out for a spare motor and
> >>>> transmission...
> >>>>
> >>>> https://gainesville.craigslist.org/cto/5993397080.html
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you know this car Manfred?
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Valves are like every second oil change aren't they?
-Curt

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
   
Oh man!!! That is a ton of difference. I did not call her today as the head
issue was enough. I am going to finish the front brakes, time the ip and
set the valves, run the diesel purge through and then rebuild and pressure
check the injectors. That should take care of me for another 50,000 miles
or so!

Thanks Manfred for the dose of knowledge! I really did figure they were
mostly the same. I can see I was a bit off... Hahaha!

On Feb 8, 2017 5:44 PM, "MG via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes the head is the one major difference. You may have to change the
> tailhousing and speedo gear drive on the transmission. The 84 SD that I
> took the transmission out of had an electronic speedo so in order to use it
> in my TD I had to change the tailhousing and the speedo drive gear from the
> original TD transmission to the SD transmission. It all still works great.
> I probably should have changed out the torque converter also but other then
> a slightly higher stall speed it has worked fine.
>
> The interior parts have a lot of differences. You will not be able to use
> the vacuum door lock parts unless you also use the electric switches and
> the electric vacuum/pressure pump from the SD. The window winders are also
> different and can be used with some modification to the lift arm ends. If I
> remember correctly. switches and ACC controls are the same as well as the
> vacuum pods for the climate control but I do believe the evaporator and air
> box stuff may be different.
>
> Manfred
>
> Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Thanks Manfred!
>>
>> So, if I understand correctly, the difference between the om617 sedan and
>> wagon motors are the heads? And that is because of the SLS pump, correct?
>> That is the only "major" difference? My google search on the subject was
>> sorely lacking in good results.
>>
>> From my reading the transmission and drive train are all the same, along
>>>
>> with the vacuum parts and the ACC, most interior door parts etc. Is that
>> right?
>>
>> Kyle
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2017 5:56 PM, "MG via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> No I don't know anything about that one. It looks kind of like one that
>>> was for sale in the Ocala area about 2 years or so ago.
>>> I think that one was on a farm or something.
>>>
>>> Manfred
>>>
>>> Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is a local machine!  I may check it out for a spare motor and
>>>> transmission...
>>>>
>>>> https://gainesville.craigslist.org/cto/5993397080.html
>>>>
>>>> Do you know this car Manfred?
>>>>
>>>> Kyle
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

Oh man!!! That is a ton of difference. I did not call her today as the head
issue was enough. I am going to finish the front brakes, time the ip and
set the valves, run the diesel purge through and then rebuild and pressure
check the injectors. That should take care of me for another 50,000 miles
or so!

Thanks Manfred for the dose of knowledge! I really did figure they were
mostly the same. I can see I was a bit off... Hahaha!

On Feb 8, 2017 5:44 PM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:

> Yes the head is the one major difference. You may have to change the
> tailhousing and speedo gear drive on the transmission. The 84 SD that I
> took the transmission out of had an electronic speedo so in order to use it
> in my TD I had to change the tailhousing and the speedo drive gear from the
> original TD transmission to the SD transmission. It all still works great.
> I probably should have changed out the torque converter also but other then
> a slightly higher stall speed it has worked fine.
>
> The interior parts have a lot of differences. You will not be able to use
> the vacuum door lock parts unless you also use the electric switches and
> the electric vacuum/pressure pump from the SD. The window winders are also
> different and can be used with some modification to the lift arm ends. If I
> remember correctly. switches and ACC controls are the same as well as the
> vacuum pods for the climate control but I do believe the evaporator and air
> box stuff may be different.
>
> Manfred
>
> Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Thanks Manfred!
>>
>> So, if I understand correctly, the difference between the om617 sedan and
>> wagon motors are the heads? And that is because of the SLS pump, correct?
>> That is the only "major" difference? My google search on the subject was
>> sorely lacking in good results.
>>
>> From my reading the transmission and drive train are all the same, along
>>>
>> with the vacuum parts and the ACC, most interior door parts etc. Is that
>> right?
>>
>> Kyle
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2017 5:56 PM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:
>>
>> No I don't know anything about that one. It looks kind of like one that
>>> was for sale in the Ocala area about 2 years or so ago.
>>> I think that one was on a farm or something.
>>>
>>> Manfred
>>>
>>> Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is a local machine!  I may check it out for a spare motor and
 transmission...

 https://gainesville.craigslist.org/cto/5993397080.html

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[MG via Mercedes]

You know I was thinking of doing that but I don't know if it 
bolts up the same way or not.


Manfred

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

No, before you do that you could buy a dual pump as used on the 87 300TD.

Surely somebody makes an aftermarket electric hydraulic pump that could 
use the proper fluid.


Ruining the car is NOT an option

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February 7, 2017 at 2:54 PM
The engine will fit but you will need to disconnect the SLS and install
conventional rear shocks, which would be a shame.


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[MG via Mercedes]

Yes the head is the one major difference. You may have to change 
the tailhousing and speedo gear drive on the transmission. The 84 
SD that I took the transmission out of had an electronic speedo 
so in order to use it in my TD I had to change the tailhousing 
and the speedo drive gear from the original TD transmission to 
the SD transmission. It all still works great. I probably should 
have changed out the torque converter also but other then a 
slightly higher stall speed it has worked fine.


The interior parts have a lot of differences. You will not be 
able to use the vacuum door lock parts unless you also use the 
electric switches and the electric vacuum/pressure pump from the 
SD. The window winders are also different and can be used with 
some modification to the lift arm ends. If I remember correctly. 
switches and ACC controls are the same as well as the vacuum pods 
for the climate control but I do believe the evaporator and air 
box stuff may be different.


Manfred

Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks Manfred!

So, if I understand correctly, the difference between the om617 sedan and
wagon motors are the heads? And that is because of the SLS pump, correct?
That is the only "major" difference? My google search on the subject was
sorely lacking in good results.


From my reading the transmission and drive train are all the same, along

with the vacuum parts and the ACC, most interior door parts etc. Is that
right?

Kyle



On Feb 7, 2017 5:56 PM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:


No I don't know anything about that one. It looks kind of like one that
was for sale in the Ocala area about 2 years or so ago.
I think that one was on a farm or something.

Manfred

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Here is a local machine!  I may check it out for a spare motor and
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https://gainesville.craigslist.org/cto/5993397080.html

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[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

After some additional readings, it is in fact way to problematic to swap
out these motors without the head exchange. Adding the electric pump, or
converting to the newer dual pump (which I have not seen a picture of
actually working) is also not a good option as I want to keep the SLS
functioning.  It appears that I will be looking for a wagon motor to
eliminate these problems.  Not that I need a motor, far from it, but I do
like to be prepared.  Now if a sedan had my blue interior, I can see where
having the extra parts would be handy, but it doesn't so I don't.

Thanks!

kyle

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> I forget why exactly, but I did try.
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 10:24 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> > Why?
> >
> > Sez who?
> >
> > I have not tried, but i'm thinking it CAN be done.  It mounts the same as
> > the single PS pump.  Belts and pulleys could be problematic.
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >> February 7, 2017 at 9:20 PM
> >> The dual pump canNOT be retrofitted to the W123.
> >>
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I forget why exactly, but I did try.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 10:24 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Why?
>
> Sez who?
>
> I have not tried, but i'm thinking it CAN be done.  It mounts the same as
> the single PS pump.  Belts and pulleys could be problematic.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> February 7, 2017 at 9:20 PM
>> The dual pump canNOT be retrofitted to the W123.
>>
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Why?

Sez who?

I have not tried, but i'm thinking it CAN be done.  It mounts the same 
as the single PS pump.  Belts and pulleys could be problematic.



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
February 7, 2017 at 9:20 PM
The dual pump canNOT be retrofitted to the W123.


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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The dual pump canNOT be retrofitted to the W123.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yeah. I am never going to disable the SLS, or ruin the car. Just want to be
> prepared for the future And a spare setup seems like a smart move.
>
> Kyle
>
> On Feb 7, 2017 7:33 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > No, before you do that you could buy a dual pump as used on the 87 300TD.
> >
> > Surely somebody makes an aftermarket electric hydraulic pump that could
> > use the proper fluid.
> >
> > Ruining the car is NOT an option
> >
> >> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >> February 7, 2017 at 2:54 PM
> >> The engine will fit but you will need to disconnect the SLS and install
> >> conventional rear shocks, which would be a shame.
> >>
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[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

Yeah. I am never going to disable the SLS, or ruin the car. Just want to be
prepared for the future And a spare setup seems like a smart move.

Kyle

On Feb 7, 2017 7:33 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> No, before you do that you could buy a dual pump as used on the 87 300TD.
>
> Surely somebody makes an aftermarket electric hydraulic pump that could
> use the proper fluid.
>
> Ruining the car is NOT an option
>
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> February 7, 2017 at 2:54 PM
>> The engine will fit but you will need to disconnect the SLS and install
>> conventional rear shocks, which would be a shame.
>>
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

No, before you do that you could buy a dual pump as used on the 87 300TD.

Surely somebody makes an aftermarket electric hydraulic pump that could 
use the proper fluid.


Ruining the car is NOT an option

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
February 7, 2017 at 2:54 PM
The engine will fit but you will need to disconnect the SLS and install
conventional rear shocks, which would be a shame.


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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

like that one in NOLA.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
February 7, 2017 at 2:45 PM
Motor won't work - you need the head with the built in SLS pump. Find a
rusty 85 wagon if you must get another vehicle..



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That is correct.  In a pinch if you need an engine for a wagon and 
do not have a wagon engine available, you just swap the heads over 
from your old wagon motor.



On 2/7/2017 5:56 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks Manfred!

So, if I understand correctly, the difference between the om617 sedan and
wagon motors are the heads? And that is because of the SLS pump, correct?
That is the only "major" difference? My google search on the subject was
sorely lacking in good results.

>From my reading the transmission and drive train are all the same, along
with the vacuum parts and the ACC, most interior door parts etc. Is that
right?

Kyle



On Feb 7, 2017 5:56 PM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:


No I don't know anything about that one. It looks kind of like one that
was for sale in the Ocala area about 2 years or so ago.
I think that one was on a farm or something.

Manfred

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https://gainesville.craigslist.org/cto/5993397080.html

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[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

Thanks Dan!

I will give her a call tomorrow and have a conversation about the car..

Kyle

On Feb 7, 2017 7:00 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> That is correct.  The drive for the SLS pump is unique to the version of
> the OM617 used in the wagon.  Otherwise, the engine is the same as all
> others in the W123 and W126 chassis models.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Manfred!
> >
> > So, if I understand correctly, the difference between the om617 sedan and
> > wagon motors are the heads? And that is because of the SLS pump, correct?
> > That is the only "major" difference? My google search on the subject was
> > sorely lacking in good results.
> >
> > From my reading the transmission and drive train are all the same, along
> > with the vacuum parts and the ACC, most interior door parts etc. Is that
> > right?
> >
> > Kyle
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 7, 2017 5:56 PM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:
> >
> >> No I don't know anything about that one. It looks kind of like one that
> >> was for sale in the Ocala area about 2 years or so ago.
> >> I think that one was on a farm or something.
> >>
> >> Manfred
> >>
> >> Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
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> >>> transmission...
> >>>
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That is correct.  The drive for the SLS pump is unique to the version of the 
OM617 used in the wagon.  Otherwise, the engine is the same as all others in 
the W123 and W126 chassis models.

-D


> On Feb 7, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Manfred!
> 
> So, if I understand correctly, the difference between the om617 sedan and
> wagon motors are the heads? And that is because of the SLS pump, correct?
> That is the only "major" difference? My google search on the subject was
> sorely lacking in good results.
> 
> From my reading the transmission and drive train are all the same, along
> with the vacuum parts and the ACC, most interior door parts etc. Is that
> right?
> 
> Kyle
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 7, 2017 5:56 PM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:
> 
>> No I don't know anything about that one. It looks kind of like one that
>> was for sale in the Ocala area about 2 years or so ago.
>> I think that one was on a farm or something.
>> 
>> Manfred
>> 
>> Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> Here is a local machine!  I may check it out for a spare motor and
>>> transmission...
>>> 
>>> https://gainesville.craigslist.org/cto/5993397080.html
>>> 
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[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

Thanks Manfred!

So, if I understand correctly, the difference between the om617 sedan and
wagon motors are the heads? And that is because of the SLS pump, correct?
That is the only "major" difference? My google search on the subject was
sorely lacking in good results.

>From my reading the transmission and drive train are all the same, along
with the vacuum parts and the ACC, most interior door parts etc. Is that
right?

Kyle



On Feb 7, 2017 5:56 PM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:

> No I don't know anything about that one. It looks kind of like one that
> was for sale in the Ocala area about 2 years or so ago.
> I think that one was on a farm or something.
>
> Manfred
>
> Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Here is a local machine!  I may check it out for a spare motor and
>> transmission...
>>
>> https://gainesville.craigslist.org/cto/5993397080.html
>>
>> Do you know this car Manfred?
>>
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[MG via Mercedes]

No I don't know anything about that one. It looks kind of like 
one that was for sale in the Ocala area about 2 years or so ago.

I think that one was on a farm or something.

Manfred

Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:

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https://gainesville.craigslist.org/cto/5993397080.html

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[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

I will do some more investigation as to what would be involved with a swap
and maybe check the car out.

Kyle



On Feb 7, 2017 3:58 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> The only difference is the head I think. If you were keeping it for a
> "spare" and assumed that the head from the old car would be okay it'd still
> be a valid idea.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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>
> Oh no!!!  I get that they were a little different, I just didn't know how
> much  Bummer.
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Motor won't work - you need the head with the built in SLS pump.  Find a
> > rusty 85 wagon if you must get another vehicle..
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The only difference is the head I think. If you were keeping it for a "spare" 
and assumed that the head from the old car would be okay it'd still be a valid 
idea.
-Curt

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Oh no!!!  I get that they were a little different, I just didn't know how
much  Bummer.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> Motor won't work - you need the head with the built in SLS pump.  Find a
> rusty 85 wagon if you must get another vehicle..
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > Here is a local machine!  I may check it out for a spare motor and
> > transmission...
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The engine will fit but you will need to disconnect the SLS and install
conventional rear shocks, which would be a shame.

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> Oh no!!!  I get that they were a little different, I just didn't know how
> much  Bummer.
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > Motor won't work - you need the head with the built in SLS pump.  Find a
> > rusty 85 wagon if you must get another vehicle..
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Here is a local machine!  I may check it out for a spare motor and
> > > transmission...
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

Oh no!!!  I get that they were a little different, I just didn't know how
much  Bummer.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Motor won't work - you need the head with the built in SLS pump.  Find a
> rusty 85 wagon if you must get another vehicle..
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Here is a local machine!  I may check it out for a spare motor and
> > transmission...
> >
> > https://gainesville.craigslist.org/cto/5993397080.html
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

Pretty sure they are just excited that their clock still works... As they
all should  hahaha!

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> Is the analog clock actually rare? I've never had an MB that didn't have
> one...
> -Curt
>
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>  Subject: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
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> Here is a local machine!  I may check it out for a spare motor and
> transmission...
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Motor won't work - you need the head with the built in SLS pump.  Find a
rusty 85 wagon if you must get another vehicle..

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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Is the analog clock actually rare? I've never had an MB that didn't have one...
-Curt

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 Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 3:42 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
   
Here is a local machine!  I may check it out for a spare motor and
transmission...

https://gainesville.craigslist.org/cto/5993397080.html

Do you know this car Manfred?

Kyle
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