[newbie] importing urpmi keys.
Hi guys, I recently added all the new mirrors for mandrake 10 official so I could update my community install to official.. upon running: urpmi --auto --auto-select I got a ton of key errors... and it exited.. I had previously added plf and imported they key... but maybe I accidently removed the keys for the main urpmi sources... how can I make sure I have all the correct keys imported to remove these errors and allow me to update??? rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] importing urpmi keys.
Hi guys, I recently added all the new mirrors for mandrake 10 official so I could update my community install to official.. upon running: urpmi --auto --auto-select I got a ton of key errors... and it exited.. I had previously added plf and imported they key... but maybe I accidently removed the keys for the main urpmi sources... how can I make sure I have all the correct keys imported to remove these errors and allow me to update??? If you have the ASCII armored key (there are 3 Mandrake keys in /etc/RPM-GPG-KEYS), you can import them into the RPM keyring by using rpm --import keyfilename For example: $ ls /etc/RPM-GPG-KEYS/ 22458a98.asc 70771ff3.asc 9b4a4024.asc $ rpm --import /etc/RPM-GPG-KEYS/22458a98.asc The filename is the key ID. You can figure out which one you need to import from the error message when you install (MISSING KEY xxx) HTH //philip pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[newbie] Mandrake 10
Reading through the recent posts, it appears that many on the list who have broadband (lucky lot!!) and have downloaded version 10(CE) or version 10 (Official) are having problems. There seem to be many bugs still in them. My question, and it is a serious one, is: When the boxed sets come out in a few weeks time, will they still be buggy, or will the bugs have been sorted? Or would it be better to wait several weeks before buying, if this means that all the updates to sort these bugs out are available on CD? Alternatively, I could buy the download edition on cheap CDs, and use that as a test to see how things are beforebuying the boxed set. Cheers Keith Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Backing up files.
On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 23:46, Marc wrote:
Well my upgrade to ML 10.0 official was not a total success. It looks like I
will have to do a clean installation from scratch.
I haven't tried the upgrade option recently but I've had limited success
with it in the past. In a way it's fair enough- there are an enormous
number of packages and making sure that the users' data the system
settings are still valid (syntactically semantically) for every one of
those constantly evolving pieces of software is a huge job. Technically
I think it is the responsibility of the software to upgrade the data
structures if they are from a previous version (Evolution does this
well) but generally the non-commercial packages don't seem to. And
guessing at which packages are required is tough. It seems to me it
might be best to take that option out and force people to properly
back-up only the data they need and select the packages they want. These
unsuccessful upgrades don't do a great deal for the image of the distro.
Just my $0.02.
I would like to do this clean installation without lozeing to much stuff,
espicially bookmarks in opera, emails in kmail and contact list in kmail. It
seems like every time I try this I have problems with those things.
The trick is to find the directories, in your home directory, in which
these user-specific settings/data are stored and only move those to the
new set up. For instance opera stores its settings in '.opera', so
backing up this will save your bookmarks. Kmail settings will be in the
'.kde' directory, I'd think. I wouldn't recommend carrying all that
folder forward. Best just to copy the actual kmail folder, which might
be at '/home/bar/.kde/share/apps/kmail/' but I don't use it so don't
really know. Go in and look at the file structure/date stamps/file sizes
and see if this tallies with yr data and latest check of mail.
I would be thankful for any advice on what to back up or any tips on how to
make this as painless as possible.
Back up everything, all the time! ;) But seriously, it is worth taking
backups, as regularly as you can afford to loose the data.
Make sure you can get back to the state you're in at the moment if it
all goes pete tong. Although I've recommended moving as few directories
as possible, to keep success rate as high as possible, make sure you
back everything up.
Generally what I do when moving to a new version of mdk is (as root,
clearly- with nobody else logged in):
1) move my home directories to a different place on my home partition.
ie. mv /home/bar/ /home/foo/ .
2) Then I run the install, choose the 'new installation' option (or
whatever it's called!) then, at the partition formatting stage I leave
the home partition deselected. That way it doesn't delete my data.
3) On restart I log in as root, copy (not move- I want to keep the
integrity of my old home dir) the directories I want to salvage to the
new account and change the owner of them, recursively, to the new user
('bar'). (Unless you've got lucky and put yr users back on in the same
order yr UIDs match from last install.)
4) Profit. Or at least u'll be able to log on fire up yr apps with all
old data intact.
For apps which don't let you use old setting/data directories there are
ways to salvage the situation. If you have any of those then let us
know.
YMMV- if you're not completely comfortable with what I've just described
then just restore from media. In either case copy yr data onto removable
media before installing. Don't take any risks!
Good luck!
A.
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Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:27:00 +0100, Keith Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading through the recent posts, it appears that many on the list who have broadband (lucky lot!!) and have downloaded version 10(CE) or version 10 (Official) are having problems. There seem to be many bugs still in them. It all depends. I for one haven't been seeing any of these bugs. And my system specs, for lack of a better word, is manure. Horse. :P So you won't really know until you try, but if you don't want to risk it, leaving off until the official comes out is also alright. :) //philip pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] importing urpmi keys.
Philip Cronje wrote: Hi guys, I recently added all the new mirrors for mandrake 10 official so I could update my community install to official.. upon running: urpmi --auto --auto-select I got a ton of key errors... and it exited.. I had previously added plf and imported they key... but maybe I accidently removed the keys for the main urpmi sources... how can I make sure I have all the correct keys imported to remove these errors and allow me to update??? If you have the ASCII armored key (there are 3 Mandrake keys in /etc/RPM-GPG-KEYS), you can import them into the RPM keyring by using rpm --import keyfilename For example: $ ls /etc/RPM-GPG-KEYS/ 22458a98.asc 70771ff3.asc 9b4a4024.asc $ rpm --import /etc/RPM-GPG-KEYS/22458a98.asc The filename is the key ID. You can figure out which one you need to import from the error message when you install (MISSING KEY xxx) HTH //philip Thanks for that dude.. I just did some reading up on man rpm I querired all my keys: rpm -qa gpg-pubkey* then I removed them all: rpm -q gpg-pubkey- (where the xx is the id of the key) Then I added all three from /etc/RPM-GPG-KEYS Then I added plf again... So far no errors... so now I am running: urpmi --auto --auto-select and it is downloading nicely... I was starting to think this was going to require a reinstall... god I love linux :-) rgds Franki . Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] soundcard woes
Rory wrote: I ran alsaconf and it's got me to the next stage. I now have sound!! If I run a CD, I can play music. However, the sound is drowned out with lots of white noise. I had similar problems to yours with 9.2. I solved the cruddy sound quality problem by adjusting the settings in kmix. If you open it up you'll find a number of sliding controlls labelled 0100 1001. I got good sound by switching the third and the fifth ones off (click on green light at top so it's dark). I have no idea why this works or whether it will work in the same way for you. -- Graham Watkins On the whole, I preferred cats to women because cats seldom if ever used the word relationship.(Kinky Friedman - Greenwich Killing Time) Registered Linux user number 265254 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 17 April 2004 08:27, Keith Powell wrote: Reading through the recent posts, it appears that many on the list who have broadband (lucky lot!!) and have downloaded version 10(CE) or version 10 (Official) are having problems. There seem to be many bugs still in them. My question, and it is a serious one, is: When the boxed sets come out in a few weeks time, will they still be buggy, or will the bugs have been sorted? As I undertand it, 'Official' is what will be in the boxed sets. Or would it be better to wait several weeks before buying, if this means that all the updates to sort these bugs out are available on CD? The greatest number of bugs have been ironed out between CE and Official. There are, of course, always bug fixes to follow. Alternatively, I could buy the download edition on cheap CDs, and use that as a test to see how things are beforebuying the boxed set. - From Mandrake's point of view, buying the cheapies and subscribing to the club is much better than buying direct from MandrakeSoft. They get all of club money, but only a bit from sales. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAgOiDkFAvMr/nNX8RAqiHAJ0SLZXWJFAQKE5gYVZxgJ2aaody1ACfaNX9 MkZkzs+dxA9F4bg0OliK7Wo= =7p+e -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] soundcard woes
Rory wrote: Okay, thanks for the alsa-utils tip. Not sure why it was on CD4 if it's necessary to activate some sound cards. But, finding it via FTP solves that. It should install as a default. I ran alsaconf and it's got me to the next stage. I now have sound!! If I run a CD, I can play music. However, the sound is drowned out with lots of white noise. However, I can't hear trailers that I see playing at apple.com/trailers/ As well, I don't hear the sound start-up at the beginning. So, I made a nice, big step that time. But, still a ways to go. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com I had similar problems to yours with 9.2. I solved the cruddy sound quality problem by adjusting the settings in kmix. If you open it up you'll find a number of sliding controlls labelled 0100 1001. I got good sound by switching the third and the fifth ones off (click on green light at top so it's dark). I have no idea why this works or whether it will work in the same way for you. -- Graham Watkins On the whole, I preferred cats to women because cats seldom if ever used the word relationship.(Kinky Friedman - Greenwich Killing Time) Registered Linux user number 265254 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Searching in pdf documents?
xpdf Press 'f' to stasrt search. You may also consider installing the Acrobat Reader for Linux. Just check it out at the Acrobat site. Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] howto addmedia
Hi, I found server which works, but easyurpmi page doesn't? Now I'm wondering howto add source main source contrib source updates with command line? I have done that many times but always with help of page http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/ Mainly just copypaste text from the page. Especially this end part with dots .. cz etc is confusing? Can somebody say what is the syntax to addmedia? I have 10.0 C Which by the way works beautifully with 2.6.3 :-) Thank you advance best rgds ~tt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
On Saturday 17 April 2004 9:19 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 17 April 2004 08:27, Keith Powell wrote: Reading through the recent posts, it appears that many on the list who have broadband (lucky lot!!) and have downloaded version 10(CE) or version 10 (Official) are having problems. There seem to be many bugs still in them. My question, and it is a serious one, is: When the boxed sets come out in a few weeks time, will they still be buggy, or will the bugs have been sorted? As I undertand it, 'Official' is what will be in the boxed sets. Or would it be better to wait several weeks before buying, if this means that all the updates to sort these bugs out are available on CD? The greatest number of bugs have been ironed out between CE and Official. There are, of course, always bug fixes to follow. Alternatively, I could buy the download edition on cheap CDs, and use that as a test to see how things are beforebuying the boxed set. - From Mandrake's point of view, buying the cheapies and subscribing to the club is much better than buying direct from MandrakeSoft. They get all of club money, but only a bit from sales. Anne A very good suggestion, Anne. There is one thing, which I am hoping that you, or anyone else with a greater knowledge of Mandrakesoft than I, can answer. I assume that the cheap CDs I would buy from, for instance, The Libranet Emporium, would be the download edition. If I remember correctly, it was mentioned on the list some time ago that the download edition will have adverts which will pop up at any time. This inconvenience is to help 'persuade' us to buy the boxed sets, which will be free of them. Is this correct, or am I dreaming it? Knowing me, it is probably the latter! Any information will be greatfully received. Many thanks Keith Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
On Saturday 17 April 2004 8:47 am, Philip Cronje wrote: On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:27:00 +0100, Keith Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading through the recent posts, it appears that many on the list who have broadband (lucky lot!!) and have downloaded version 10(CE) or version 10 (Official) are having problems. There seem to be many bugs still in them. It all depends. I for one haven't been seeing any of these bugs. And my system specs, for lack of a better word, is manure. Horse. :P So you won't really know until you try, but if you don't want to risk it, leaving off until the official comes out is also alright. :) //philip Thanks for the reply and suggestion, Philip. My system too, is over two years old. So it's ready to donate to the local museum to put in their Prehistoric Techical Equipment section. Cheers Keith Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 08:17, Keith Powell wrote: I assume that the cheap CDs I would buy from, for instance, The Libranet Emporium, would be the download edition. If I remember correctly, it was mentioned on the list some time ago that the download edition will have adverts which will pop up at any time. This inconvenience is to help 'persuade' us to buy the boxed sets, which will be free of them. Is this correct, or am I dreaming it? Knowing me, it is probably the latter! Any information will be greatfully received. This is mis-information! no adverts pop up walt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
Alternatively, I could buy the download edition on cheap CDs, and use that as a test to see how things are beforebuying the boxed set. - From Mandrake's point of view, buying the cheapies and subscribing to the club is much better than buying direct from MandrakeSoft. They get all of club money, but only a bit from sales. I am going to ask a stupid question: I don´t mind which way I do it but I need a version as reliable as possible because I am a total ignoramus. On top of that, I have a lousy modem connection so big downloads are not possible. Wouldn´t buying the cheapies and subscribing to the club make me too dependant on too many downloads? Also I gave up Windows 3 years ago so if the install doesn´t work, I am stuck. It would be nice if someone could get KRUD to do Mandrake updates on CDs. Maryse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
M.Schild wrote: Alternatively, I could buy the download edition on cheap CDs, and use that as a test to see how things are beforebuying the boxed set. - From Mandrake's point of view, buying the cheapies and subscribing to the club is much better than buying direct from MandrakeSoft. They get all of club money, but only a bit from sales. I am going to ask a stupid question: I don´t mind which way I do it but I need a version as reliable as possible because I am a total ignoramus. On top of that, I have a lousy modem connection so big downloads are not possible. Wouldn´t buying the cheapies and subscribing to the club make me too dependant on too many downloads? Also I gave up Windows 3 years ago so if the install doesn´t work, I am stuck. It would be nice if someone could get KRUD to do Mandrake updates on CDs. Maryse Not such a stupid question Maryse. Here's a suggestion though. Have you considered joining a Linux User's Group? They usually have a high-speed connections available, and someone should be able to burn the updates for you. It would also give you an opportunity to learn more, and to contribute from your own experiences. As far as getting a reliable version is concerned, the boxed-set may be the best choice, since it includes drivers which may be better suited to your needs. Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] From KDE to Fluxbox
On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 08:44:28PM -0400, Marv Boyes wrote: [BTW, if you're suggesting menudrake as a means of getting command names to configure my xfce launchers, that's exactly what I'm doing. ;) ] The launchers in the panel are not intended to be an all encompassing menu system for applications. That's what the right-click (or whatever click you configure it to use) on the desktop is for. If you want an easy go of creating that, try MenuMaker, which is capable of generating relatively decent menus for several different WM's. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
From what I understand, the majority of the problems are a result of upgrading rather than formatting the hard drive and doing a clean install. I never upgrade for this very reason. Doing a clean install aleviates many headaches. Upgrading should not even be a consideration. On Saturday 17 April 2004 12:27 am, Keith Powell wrote: Reading through the recent posts, it appears that many on the list who have broadband (lucky lot!!) and have downloaded version 10(CE) or version 10 (Official) are having problems. There seem to be many bugs still in them. My question, and it is a serious one, is: When the boxed sets come out in a few weeks time, will they still be buggy, or will the bugs have been sorted? Or would it be better to wait several weeks before buying, if this means that all the updates to sort these bugs out are available on CD? Alternatively, I could buy the download edition on cheap CDs, and use that as a test to see how things are beforebuying the boxed set. Cheers Keith -- - Registered Linux User #350412 MacGregor Despite Them! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
I have been using a download edition which I purchased from almostfreelinux.com about 3 months ago for $10.00 US. I have never seen any adverts. And, I have never had any of the problems reported by others on theis list. On Saturday 17 April 2004 5:17 am, Keith Powell wrote: On Saturday 17 April 2004 9:19 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 17 April 2004 08:27, Keith Powell wrote: Reading through the recent posts, it appears that many on the list who have broadband (lucky lot!!) and have downloaded version 10(CE) or version 10 (Official) are having problems. There seem to be many bugs still in them. My question, and it is a serious one, is: When the boxed sets come out in a few weeks time, will they still be buggy, or will the bugs have been sorted? As I undertand it, 'Official' is what will be in the boxed sets. Or would it be better to wait several weeks before buying, if this means that all the updates to sort these bugs out are available on CD? The greatest number of bugs have been ironed out between CE and Official. There are, of course, always bug fixes to follow. Alternatively, I could buy the download edition on cheap CDs, and use that as a test to see how things are beforebuying the boxed set. - From Mandrake's point of view, buying the cheapies and subscribing to the club is much better than buying direct from MandrakeSoft. They get all of club money, but only a bit from sales. Anne A very good suggestion, Anne. There is one thing, which I am hoping that you, or anyone else with a greater knowledge of Mandrakesoft than I, can answer. I assume that the cheap CDs I would buy from, for instance, The Libranet Emporium, would be the download edition. If I remember correctly, it was mentioned on the list some time ago that the download edition will have adverts which will pop up at any time. This inconvenience is to help 'persuade' us to buy the boxed sets, which will be free of them. Is this correct, or am I dreaming it? Knowing me, it is probably the latter! Any information will be greatfully received. Many thanks Keith -- - Registered Linux User #350412 MacGregor Despite Them! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Yet another mdk 10.0 sound problem
On Saturday 17 April 2004 12:22 am, Rory wrote: Nothing works except ksCD, and somebody wrote that it's because it cabled (but it won't work with any other dirver). Ahh, very interesting. This is *exactly* the same pattern I have. Something definitely broke between 9.x and 10.0. It is very discouraging when upgrading an OS Absolutely. The help of people on these forums has been most impressive, though. I've search MDK Bugzilla and haven't really found a bug filed that fits this problem, so it may not be seen by the developers as a priority. ~Rory If you find a solution, please post it. I will do the same. mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
Here's a suggestion though. Have you considered joining a Linux User's Group? They usually have a high-speed connections available, and someone should be able to burn the updates for you. I hadn´t thought, good idea It would also give you an opportunity to learn more, and to contribute from your own experiences. As far as getting a reliable version is concerned, the boxed-set may be the best choice, since it includes drivers which may be better suited to your needs. That´s what I was planning to do Thank you Maryse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 17 April 2004 13:17, Keith Powell wrote: I assume that the cheap CDs I would buy from, for instance, The Libranet Emporium, would be the download edition. They will be the download edition - for the moment, of Community, but in a couple of weeks the Official will be available too. If I remember correctly, it was mentioned on the list some time ago that the download edition will have adverts which will pop up at any time. This inconvenience is to help 'persuade' us to buy the boxed sets, which will be free of them. This was talked about, but was gossip, not fact. There are a couple of adverts during the install. The only thing you will find once you are using it is much the same as 9.2 had - the link to Safari books, for instance. No pop-ups at all. Is this correct, or am I dreaming it? Knowing me, it is probably the latter! No - the gossip was a bit like bar-room lawyers :-) Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAgTzUkFAvMr/nNX8RAg27AJ9sPwQrRBk8WnWWi9q5WLi2+POE3gCfanLH svjhyAV2g9OGnnVpet7HeMk= =Hrcv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Floppy Access
Since installing Mdk10 CE on both of my computers I've had a problem accessing the floppy drive. I can mount and read the drive but can't copy to/from it, there is an input/output error message. This happens however I'm logged in as owner or as root, the message is the same. Anyone have a clue as to what the problem could be? Rich -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[newbie] QT and QCanvasView
Hi, I am developing a QT project in which I would like to draw an image somewhere on a form (in a frame for example or anyway in some space within the form). I am currently able to create a form and draw into it, but when it comes to drawing onto a frame I only get a small piece draw, whereas the rest is hidden and I can only see it using scrollbars. The code I use to create the QCanvasView is this: QImage image(width,height,32); some code to initialize the image QPixmap pix(image); QCanvas *c = new QCanvas( width,height ); QCanvasView *cv = new QCanvasView( c ,frame); c-setBackgroundPixmap(pix); c-update(); cv-show(); In this code frame is of class QFrame. If I set frame=0 new windows are open and everything works fine within them, but if I use a real frame the error I have told occurs. What can I do? Thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 17 April 2004 14:48, Ian MacGregor wrote: From what I understand, the majority of the problems are a result of upgrading rather than formatting the hard drive and doing a clean install. I never upgrade for this very reason. Doing a clean install aleviates many headaches. Upgrading should not even be a consideration. I'm inclined to second that. I know many people say they do it successfully, but this is the first time that I have done it, and I'm not entirely happy. I'm going to wipe and install Official. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAgT5ikFAvMr/nNX8RAqkeAJ9aft44yv6wSgPkfZz0tOhYnMpfJgCbBvl0 11a532y+O8FSzLa+weljgNI= =LrAl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Payback's a Bitch!
Hope this is a sign of things to come! BayStar wants to cash out of SCO deal! http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci960176,00.html Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Calgary gets smart!
Another Canadian city gets smart. Ya gotta love this stuff! http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3340731 Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
Ian MacGregor wrote: From what I understand, the majority of the problems are a result of upgrading rather than formatting the hard drive and doing a clean install. I never upgrade for this very reason. Doing a clean install aleviates many headaches. Upgrading should not even be a consideration. I've been saying this for years Ian. The good news is that you can leave your /home partition unformatted and untouched, and in this way you can save your complete desktop setup, emails, etc. Even so and just in case, it's always a good ides to copy your home folder to another drive or unaffected partition so that you can protect your data and settings in case some glitch occurs. Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 18 April 2004 15:54, Lanman wrote: Another Canadian city gets smart. Ya gotta love this stuff! http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3340731 The thing that makes me uneasy if the quote Linux's killer app is not Apache, it's cost,. It has been said that M$ have contingency plans to give away windows if necessary until linux is beaten. They are stockpiling funds to cover it. Let's hope that's another report that's wrong, because cost is *the* big factor in too many decisions. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAgUaLkFAvMr/nNX8RAhjSAJsGaK9WpH1osmCYQcPZyF5f6a7dWQCfRxBD xSkl90gEvCzOlQY8m+iEWnM= =fg5l -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Kopete Questions
On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 19:15, Sevatio wrote: Hi everyone, How do you make Kopete Chat send your line of text upon hitting the Enter Key instead of having to hit Ctrl-Enter? 2nd Question: How do you restore the menu on Kopete Chat? Thanks, Sevatio For your first question, it's Settings - Configure Shortcuts (The one you want to change is Send Message). Choose 'Custom' then the 'Enter' key. I'm not sure what you're asking in the second question. Please clarify. -- Cheers, Trey --- No lake so still but that it has its wave; No circle so perfect but that it has a blur. I would change things for you if I could; As I can't, you must take them as they are. -Han fei Tzu 11:03:17 up 5 days, 3:53, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.02 Linux salamander 2.6.5 #1 SMP Mon Apr 5 01:03:13 PDT 2004 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On April 18, 2004 07:54 am, Lanman wrote: Another Canadian city gets smart. Ya gotta love this stuff! http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3340731 Lanman Intresting, given that the cultural reputation of cowtown would lead me to believe that it would stay with UNIX or go with M$. To see them move to Linux is good news indeed. :-) ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] re: Mandrake 10
Hi, I'm totally new to Linux and Mandrake. I have the 10 Community discs now. But, I decided to get the boxed official set because I am a newby and the boxed set comes with a manual, and probably fewer bugs to contend with. I should get the boxed set in a couple weeks. About upgrading vs. clean install. I will definitely do a clean install. I know from my experience with my Mac computer that a clean install saved me from all sorts of grief. The advice on all the Mac lists was to do a clean install because the computer doesn't have to work around or through or in opposition to bits of detritous from previous settings and data. Also, thanks for reminding me about LUG...there are some in my area and I think I will join one. Laura
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 18 April 2004 15:54, Lanman wrote: Another Canadian city gets smart. Ya gotta love this stuff! http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3340731 The thing that makes me uneasy if the quote Linux's killer app is not Apache, it's cost,. It has been said that M$ have contingency plans to give away windows if necessary until linux is beaten. They are stockpiling funds to cover it. Let's hope that's another report that's wrong, because cost is *the* big factor in too many decisions. Anne Anne; i can understabd your concern, but hopefully consumers will simply take advantage of Microsoft if they start giving Windows away (Wouldn't that be poetic justice? Consumers taking advantage of Microsoft instead of the other way around?), and then migrate to open-source products when M$ tries to gouge them on Office, etc.. I'm fairly optimistic that consumers will recognize Microsoft's give-away strategy for what it is and exploit Redmond until the feebie's ends. Also, it could be legally argued that Microsoft is using it's domination in the global market to unfairly change it's pricing and marketing strategies. Wouldn't surprise me if some of the other big companies started a class-action suit against M$ if they tried to give Windows away. Still, Windows would finally be priced in direct relation to it's actual value! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] OK...I need an external modem...any suggestions?
Well, I've learned a Linux lessonI have a winmodem on my Dell 8300 Dimension desktop computer. None of the distros I've tried, including Mandrake, will accept it. So, I did some research last night and learned that an external modem in this situation is the best thing. The ones advertized at the computer store near me (Microcenter) are Best Data, Diamond, US Robotics and Zoom. Are any of these brands better than the others? This would be for dial up right now. Each brand has several types, which is confusing. Thanks, Laura Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
On Saturday 17 April 2004 09:48 am, Ian MacGregor wrote: From what I understand, the majority of the problems are a result of upgrading rather than formatting the hard drive and doing a clean install. I would agree. upgrades are for people that really know what they are doing and can clean all the cruft off manually. I have done it on several boxes and have had problems that I was able to fix only because I am more of an advanced intermediate at this point. Newb's are screwed with some of these problems. BTW, for those that like to criticize Linux for this, this is good advice for Windows upgrades too. -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OK...I need an external modem...any suggestions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 17 April 2004 16:26, Laura Callier wrote: Well, I've learned a Linux lessonI have a winmodem on my Dell 8300 Dimension desktop computer. None of the distros I've tried, including Mandrake, will accept it. So, I did some research last night and learned that an external modem in this situation is the best thing. The ones advertized at the computer store near me (Microcenter) are Best Data, Diamond, US Robotics and Zoom. Are any of these brands better than the others? This would be for dial up right now. Each brand has several types, which is confusing. Generally, any external modem that has a serial connector will be fine. I don't know much about usb ones, though. Are you able to identify the winmodem in your Dell machine? If you know which chipset it uses it may be possible to get that going. Start by reading http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MoDems. The links at the bottom of the page will get you more info. HTH Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAgVEdkFAvMr/nNX8RAtOpAKCCQFLSyrAbNS6W6ddGbPZZFqxBRwCfdIIr F0z1YPx/85ITj9IfVbpuF2g= =oICX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] howto addmedia
On Saturday 17 April 2004 13:08, Thujan wrote: Hi, I found server which works, but easyurpmi page doesn't? Now I'm wondering howto add source main source contrib source updates with command line? I have done that many times but always with help of page http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/ Mainly just copypaste text from the page. Especially this end part with dots .. cz etc is confusing? Can somebody say what is the syntax to addmedia? I have 10.0 C Which by the way works beautifully with 2.6.3 :-) Thank you advance best rgds ~tt Actually, it is not that hard. If you've found a good, up to date mirror, you can do it along these lines : Open a terminal, become root and type : urpmi.addmedia main here you can copy paste the URL of the ftp server from i.e. a browsers address field, when you are in the correct directory. Then go back to the browser, go up parent directories until you are in the base directory. Notice how many times you have to go up. Now, be sure to find a file in the base directory called hdlist.cz. Go back to your root command line, and append to your previous line : with ../../../base/hdlist.cz (where the ../ represents one directory up). Finally, run the command. Repeat those steps for every source, i.e. contrib, updates and so on. HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OK...I need an external modem...any suggestions?
On Saturday 17 April 2004 08:26 am, Laura Callier wrote: Well, I've learned a Linux lessonI have a winmodem on my Dell 8300 Dimension desktop computer. None of the distros I've tried, including Mandrake, will accept it. So, I did some research last night and learned that an external modem in this situation is the best thing. The ones advertized at the computer store near me (Microcenter) are Best Data, Diamond, US Robotics and Zoom. Are any of these brands better than the others? This would be for dial up right now. Each brand has several types, which is confusing. I used to use the Bestdata V.92 had no problem using it. you can get winmodems to work.. but it is not a trivial exercise. Thanks, Laura Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Sunday 18 April 2004 08:22 am, Lanman wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 18 April 2004 15:54, Lanman wrote: Another Canadian city gets smart. Ya gotta love this stuff! http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3340731 The thing that makes me uneasy if the quote Linux's killer app is not Apache, it's cost,. It has been said that M$ have contingency plans to give away windows if necessary until linux is beaten. They are stockpiling funds to cover it. Let's hope that's another report that's wrong, because cost is *the* big factor in too many decisions. Anne Anne; i can understabd your concern, but hopefully consumers will simply take advantage of Microsoft if they start giving Windows away (Wouldn't that be poetic justice? Consumers taking advantage of Microsoft instead of the other way around?), and then migrate to open-source products when M$ tries to gouge them on Office, etc.. I'm fairly optimistic that consumers will recognize Microsoft's give-away strategy for what it is and exploit Redmond until the feebie's ends. Also, it could be legally argued that Microsoft is using it's domination in the global market to unfairly change it's pricing and marketing strategies. Wouldn't surprise me if some of the other big companies started a class-action suit against M$ if they tried to give Windows away. Still, Windows would finally be priced in direct relation to it's actual value! Still overpriced IMHO Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Mandrake 10
Thanks to all who replied. Here is a composite reply instead of wasting bandwidth with individual ones. Hope no one minds! Anne suggested waiting a couple of weeks for the Official download edition to be available. I'll do that, Anne. Thanks for the information that there are not the pop-up adverts I wondered about in the download edition. False alarm!! I always first burn my home directory to a CD and then do a clean install rather than an upgrade. For me, it is much safer than risking an upgrade - although others get away with it. In the past and, I assume for version 10, an individually burnt CD with all the updates/bug patches to the date of ordering it, has been available from: www.linuxemporium.co.uk I have bought them several times and they have saved me much time, trouble and cost, trying to download the updates with my modem. Thanks again, all, for your replies. Keith Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
On Saturday 17 April 2004 1:17 pm, Keith Powell wrote: I assume that the cheap CDs I would buy from, for instance, The Libranet Emporium, would be the download edition. Whoops! I meant to type The Linux Emporium. Sorry!! Keith Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OK...I need an external modem...any suggestions?
Well, I've learned a Linux lessonI have a winmodem on my Dell 8300 Dimension desktop computer. None of the distros I've tried, including Mandrake, will accept it. So, I did some research last night and learned that an external modem in this situation is the best thing. The ones advertized at the computer store near me (Microcenter) are Best Data, Diamond, US Robotics and Zoom. Are any of these brands better than the others? This would be for dial up right now. Each brand has several types, which is confusing. I´ve gone through 3 Olitec ( www.olitec.com) because of lightning and forgetting to unplug the phone line. They work well and are linux friendly Maryse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:00:26 +0100, Anne wrote: The thing that makes me uneasy if the quote Linux's killer app is not Apache, it's cost,. It has been said that M$ have contingency plans to give away windows if necessary until linux is beaten. They are stockpiling funds to cover it. IMNSHO, that's no threat. As long as the Winblows giveaway is temporary--and it must be, even for M$--IT people will simply see that freebee period as the calm before the storm. And M$ can make Winblows free, but not the rest of the software out there. Linux, on the other hand, will. Let's hope that's another report that's wrong, because cost is *the* big factor in too many decisions. If Linux and Windows are both free, people will likely start comparing on technical merits, and that'll put Winsux in an even worse position. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] MDK 10 DVD w/ Linux Magazine
There's an MDK 10 DVD with Linux Mag for May. Does anyone know which version of MDK? I'm assuming it's Official, of course. But, does anyone know if it would be the MDK Powerpack or MDK Powerpack+, etc? http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/42 ~Rory Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
On Saturday 17 April 2004 9:53 am, Ian MacGregor wrote: I have been using a download edition which I purchased from almostfreelinux.com about 3 months ago for $10.00 US. I'm familiar with almostfreelinux.com. Are there other CD-purchase sites people can recommend? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OK...I need an external modem...any suggestions?
On Saturday 17 April 2004 11:26 am, Laura Callier wrote: Well, I've learned a Linux lessonI have a winmodem on my Dell 8300 Dimension desktop computer. None of the distros I've tried, including Mandrake, will accept it. So, I did some research last night and learned that an external modem in this situation is the best thing. The ones advertized at the computer store near me (Microcenter) are Best Data, Diamond, US Robotics and Zoom. Are any of these brands better than the others? This would be for dial up right now. Each brand has several types, which is confusing. Thanks, Laura Almost any newer modem with a hardware controller will work, internal or external. I recently installed and internal Best Data ISA 56k modem Model 56sf92. Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
On Saturday 17 April 2004 12:29 pm, Rory wrote: On Saturday 17 April 2004 9:53 am, Ian MacGregor wrote: I have been using a download edition which I purchased from almostfreelinux.com about 3 months ago for $10.00 US. I'm familiar with almostfreelinux.com. Are there other CD-purchase sites people can recommend? I got a 4 CD set of MDK 10.0 from www.edmunds-enterprises.com for $9.96, including postage/handling. mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
Anne; i can understabd your concern, but hopefully consumers will simply take advantage of Microsoft if they start giving Windows away (Wouldn't that be poetic justice? Consumers taking advantage of Microsoft instead of the other way around?), and then migrate to open-source products when M$ tries to gouge them on Office, etc.. MS is already allowing consumers to take advantage of MS. It's called pirating CDs. MS has quietly practiced a strategy of allowing CDs (and floppies, originally) to be easily copied between people and installed for free on different machines. It's been one of their tactics to enhance marketshare. One poster made a comment about MS giving away their products until Linux is beaten. How do we define beaten? Forcing MDK in to Chapter 11, again? Buying them out? Forcing Novell out of the Linux business. No. Open source is here to stay. Push the corporate players out and others will rise up. Beaten means marketshare, as open source can't be bought out or put out of business, only certain Linux players can be. I think MS has plans to run a much leaner operation one day, relaying in 60% marketshare. Mature industries usually have a #1 player about around 50-70%, a #2 player at 20%-40% and everyone else carves up what's left over. MS know this will happen with the OS industry and they just want to be that #1. I'm fairly optimistic that consumers will recognize Microsoft's give-away strategy for what it is and exploit Redmond until the feebie's ends. Also, it could be legally argued that Microsoft is using it's domination in the global market to unfairly change it's pricing and marketing strategies. Wouldn't surprise me if some of the other big companies started a class-action suit against M$ if they tried to give Windows away. Still, Windows would finally be priced in direct relation to it's actual value! Lanman -- ~Rory Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Sunday 18 April 2004 11:22 am, Lanman wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 18 April 2004 15:54, Lanman wrote: Another Canadian city gets smart. Ya gotta love this stuff! http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3340731 The thing that makes me uneasy if the quote Linux's killer app is not Apache, it's cost,. It has been said that M$ have contingency plans to give away windows if necessary until linux is beaten. They are stockpiling funds to cover it. Let's hope that's another report that's wrong, because cost is *the* big factor in too many decisions. Anne Anne; i can understabd your concern, but hopefully consumers will simply take advantage of Microsoft if they start giving Windows away (Wouldn't that be poetic justice? Consumers taking advantage of Microsoft instead of the other way around?), and then migrate to open-source products when M$ tries to gouge them on Office, etc.. the real thing is M$ really is crap software,,, they give away the 64 bit version of winXP,,, for now,,, and It is still crap.. I don't use linux cause I can not afford to buy M$, I use linux cause, from where I sit, it ain't broken, and Windows is..ymmv I'm fairly optimistic that consumers will recognize Microsoft's give-away strategy for what it is and exploit Redmond until the feebie's ends. Also, it could be legally argued that Microsoft is using it's domination in the global market to unfairly change it's pricing and marketing strategies. Wouldn't surprise me if some of the other big companies started a class-action suit against M$ if they tried to give Windows away. Still, Windows would finally be priced in direct relation to it's actual value! Lanman -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 10 DVD w/ Linux Magazine
On Saturday 17 Apr 2004 17:23, Rory wrote: There's an MDK 10 DVD with Linux Mag for May. Does anyone know which version of MDK? I'm assuming it's Official, of course. But, does anyone know if it would be the MDK Powerpack or MDK Powerpack+, etc? http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/42 ~Rory From the DVD Mandrake Linux 10.0 Community-download-i586 20040305 18:50 -- http://www.poogle.co.uk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Just as a reminder...
On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 12:28, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Friday 16 April 2004 04:07 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: http://www.coredumpconsulting.cjb.net/mandrake/ ...cuz I forgot it was there... Is Wollangong east of Hamtramack, or is to the north? -- cmg Ha - Hamtramk - I reckon Wollongong is probably 13,000 km west and south of Hamtramk - not really all that far, and in a different day (tomorrow). stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Thinking you know something is a sure way to blind yourself. -- Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse: Dune Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] From KDE to Fluxbox
On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 23:21, Todd Slater wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 08:44:28PM -0400, Marv Boyes wrote: [BTW, if you're suggesting menudrake as a means of getting command names to configure my xfce launchers, that's exactly what I'm doing. ;) ] The launchers in the panel are not intended to be an all encompassing menu system for applications. That's what the right-click (or whatever click you configure it to use) on the desktop is for. If you want an easy go of creating that, try MenuMaker, which is capable of generating relatively decent menus for several different WM's. Todd I still don't see why it's so hard to manually edit the /usr/local/etc/xfce4/menu.xml - at least it's customised that way...ahem... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- The one charm of marriage is that it makes a life of deception a neccessity. - Oscar Wilde Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:52:33 -0400 et disseminated the following: the real thing is M$ really is crap software,,, they give away the 64 bit version of winXP,,, for now,,, and It is still crap.. I don't use linux cause I can not afford to buy M$, I use linux cause, from where I sit, it ain't broken, and Windows is..ymmv How many people have actually *paid* for XP Pro anyway? There's prolly more pirated copies out there than legit. IIRC, I never forked over a single dime for Windows or any software that ran on it. Then I found out I could go legit (well, okay, the MPAA might have a few issues with me), get a better OS, with all the software I needed, and still not pay a dime. I can see a lot of other people making the same discovery. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ Saddam killed his own people, just like general Pinochet, and once upon a time both these evil men were supported by the U.S.A.; and whisper it, even Bin Laden once drank from America's cup just like that election down in Florida this shit doesn't all add up.. -- Billy Bragg, 'The Price of Oil' Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] What's this with transparent proxies and bittorrrent?????
As I've about given up on ever updating CE I thought about downloading the final using bittorrent. (My computer has nothing better to do for the next week.) Now it tells me it can't do it because of a transparent proxy and what, to me, is a very cryptic note about opening ports and such. One problem is the ports ARE open. I'm getting very discouraged and after so much enthusiasm for 10CE. :( ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 01:00, Anne Wilson wrote: The thing that makes me uneasy if the quote Linux's killer app is not Apache, it's cost,. It has been said that M$ have contingency plans to give away windows if necessary until linux is beaten. They are stockpiling funds to cover it. Let's hope that's another report that's wrong, because cost is *the* big factor in too many decisions. Anne Even if Windows is given away, there is still heavy cost involved; cost of being online whilst doing updates, cost of an office suite, cost of other software; and there ARE some folks - and IT departments, that are getting a bit tired of the same old thing and the same old problems associated with Windows (whatever version); the public is slowly becoming aware of the benefits of a non-Windows environment and the lack of problematic issues - such as viruses, trojans, spyware... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Old age is the most unexpected of things that can happen to a man. -- Trotsky Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 17 April 2004 17:09, Keith Powell wrote: In the past and, I assume for version 10, an individually burnt CD with all the updates/bug patches to the date of ordering it, has been available from: www.linuxemporium.co.uk That does sound an excellent service. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAgWx8kFAvMr/nNX8RAlE3AJ9AMkwO9+q1IHSKIeVEjuQ6IsVjlACcDdZK zIQlyyBJGxuLaM1Kum2jGjU= =cVFK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 17 April 2004 17:52, et wrote: the real thing is M$ really is crap software,,, they give away the 64 bit version of winXP,,, for now,,, and It is still crap.. I don't use linux cause I can not afford to buy M$, I use linux cause, from where I sit, it ain't broken, and Windows is..ymmv I totally agree - but I'm not certain other (windows) users would see it the same way. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAgW5UkFAvMr/nNX8RAr0TAKCU7aYnWl8/lp8aKckdM5T0bGpmXQCggt7v Y0ykC5Q2tLNm7PX4ps6pDwI= =oJnY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 10 DVD w/ Linux Magazine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 17 April 2004 17:23, Rory wrote: There's an MDK 10 DVD with Linux Mag for May. Does anyone know which version of MDK? I'm assuming it's Official, of course. But, does anyone know if it would be the MDK Powerpack or MDK Powerpack+, etc? http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/42 It's Community, download edition Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAgWyhkFAvMr/nNX8RAuTzAKCabda5oNM9JUVyAkGXBmLOki+ZDgCdHki7 6ExE70WW8xB/AwM0OkOYlr4= =pO9h -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10
On Saturday 17 Apr 2004 6:42 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 17 April 2004 17:09, Keith Powell wrote: In the past and, I assume for version 10, an individually burnt CD with all the updates/bug patches to the date of ordering it, has been available from: www.linuxemporium.co.uk That does sound an excellent service. Anne It is, Anne. I have found them an excellent firm, with very god prices and same day despatch. Can't fault them. Keith Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Saturday 17 April 2004 19:47, Guy Rouillier wrote: snip So when you blather on about winsux and winblows, try to explain why for desktop users everything just seems to work in Windows, while Linux continues to be a challenge. /snip .such as viruses, worms, trojans, spyware, phone-home? ;-) Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Payback's a Bitch!
On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 00:49, Lanman wrote: Hope this is a sign of things to come! BayStar wants to cash out of SCO deal! I almost pee'd myself on that one...hehehhehe...The worm turns stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Arthur's consciousness approached his body as from a great distance, and reluctantly. It had had some bad times in there. Slowly, nervously, it entered and settled down into its accustomed position. Arthur sat up. `Where am I?' he said. `Lord's Cricket Ground,' said Ford. `Fine,' said Arthur, and his consciousness stepped out again for a quick breather. His body flopped back on the grass. -- Arthur coping with his return to Earth as best as he could. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Yet another mdk 10.0 sound problem
On Saturday 17 April 2004 12:22 am, Rory wrote: Nothing works except ksCD, and somebody wrote that it's because it cabled (but it won't work with any other dirver). Ahh, very interesting. This is *exactly* the same pattern I have. Something definitely broke between 9.x and 10.0. It is very discouraging when upgrading an OS Absolutely. The help of people on these forums has been most impressive, though. I've search MDK Bugzilla and haven't really found a bug filed that fits this problem, so it may not be seen by the developers as a priority. ~Rory I got SOUND! I played with mixing and now I have sound. I ran alsamixer, which gives you a visual (read only). It shows red, which usally means distortion, but I had to put Master Digital in the red (93) and PCM in the red (89) to get things to work. While alsamixer was running, I used Kmix to adjust levels (aumix has no control for Master Digital). Master Digital is on the Input tab (first control on left) PCM in on the output tab (first control on the left) No other controls seemed to have any effect, except CD which controls volume only when playing a CD. I now have CD, DVD audio, and MP3 (both totem and xine work fine). Hope this helps. Let me know. mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Saturday 17 April 2004 20:30, Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 17 April 2004 19:21, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Saturday 17 April 2004 19:47, Guy Rouillier wrote: snip So when you blather on about winsux and winblows, try to explain why for desktop users everything just seems to work in Windows, while Linux continues to be a challenge. /snip .such as viruses, worms, trojans, spyware, phone-home? But you see, in the eyes of many a user, it's not windows that has done this to them, it's 'someone else' that's evil. Of course, Anne. And I'm not the one to take part in this discussion seriously, because I never used Windows myself. My experience stems from wathching my collegues and some of my family and friends fighting with their Windows-PCs. It seems to be an eternal re-install-fest. I don't know if it's possible to clean a WindowsPC, at least it isn't for them. And they don't enjoy it, that's for sure, what with swearing all the time. It doesn't appear to me that Windows it especially userfriendly. On the other hand, I always enjoy to install a new Mandrake, not because I have to, but because it's fun (well, most of the time). A few weeks ago, some friends watched me install MDK 10.0CE. Half an hour later everything was functional and updated. And I never had a virus, a worm, a trojan or anything malicious. And updating is a no-brainer nowadays. That, I call userfriendly. Just my two ¤-cents. Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 17 April 2004 19:36, Guy Rouillier wrote: I work with some Unix/Linux diehards. When I asked one for help with my digital camera under LInux, he sheepishly admitted that he uses Windows at home, simply because of device support. Now there he has to be joking. Nothing is simpler than a usb digital camera in linux, and I've just had to sort out a mess caused by windows software for a digital camera. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAgX1xkFAvMr/nNX8RAlTnAJ9+cvMbeH9j5+pRjyLKn//8+nVG+gCfQJjR Mfll/v/vSW6MWfuumArb6Q0= =bL1U -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] What's this with transparent proxies and bittorrrent?????
On April 17, 2004 10:53 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 17 April 2004 18:40, John Wilson wrote: As I've about given up on ever updating CE I thought about downloading the final using bittorrent. (My computer has nothing better to do for the next week.) Now it tells me it can't do it because of a transparent proxy and what, to me, is a very cryptic note about opening ports and such. One problem is the ports ARE open. I'm getting very discouraged and after so much enthusiasm for 10CE. :( I have to say that I'm disappointed with bittorrent. Last night I went to bed confident that my download would be finished by 9am, given the rate at which it had been downloading. Here I am, 6pm, and it's telling me that it still needs another 7 hours. I have been getting 1/10th the speed that I had yesterday. I assume that a lot of people have switched off their machines for the weekend, which is very frustrating. Anne I'd be just happy to be able to use it right now. :-) ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 17 April 2004 19:53, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Of course, Anne. And I'm not the one to take part in this discussion seriously, because I never used Windows myself. My experience stems from wathching my collegues and some of my family and friends fighting with their Windows-PCs. It seems to be an eternal re-install-fest. I don't know if it's possible to clean a WindowsPC, at least it isn't for them. And they don't enjoy it, that's for sure, what with swearing all the time. It doesn't appear to me that Windows it especially userfriendly. On the other hand, I always enjoy to install a new Mandrake, not because I have to, but because it's fun (well, most of the time). A few weeks ago, some friends watched me install MDK 10.0CE. Half an hour later everything was functional and updated. And I never had a virus, a worm, a trojan or anything malicious. And updating is a no-brainer nowadays. That, I call userfriendly. It's not so much pig-headed resistance to change that's the enemy, I find, as the fear that it will take too much time to learn a new system. I'm pluggin away at the family, but getting nowhere. You are right about the constant battles, though in fairness, the only machines that I maintain that had problems before the virus storms of the last year were two boxes where demos and such were constantly being installed and uninstalled. All the ones that were used seriously were pretty stable. Problem is that they would be the ones who would benefit most from changing now, and they are the ones where the owners can't face the change, especially since I won't be on hand to hold hands during the aclimatisation. It's not the value of windows that has so many enthralled, just the installed base. So many people have similar experiences and can help out. One of my users, for instance, needed help on a day when I just could not get to her. The problem appeared to be connected to Mozilla (for windows). She rang the small computer firm down the road, who said that the only way they could help her was by taking off Mozilla. She can go to them for upkeep of her box, no problem, but she would have to use M$ Office and Outlook. They only know windows software and they were not even prepared to look at the box if she wanted to keep Moz. She had to wait until the next day when I could go to her. The problem was fixed in 2 minutes, and it took me an hour's drive each way to do it. It was her modem, by the way, not the software at all. So, inertia on the part of some, and fear on the part of others, is what I'm seeing. I do believe that we will gradually win people over, but the battle is far from won. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAgYBlkFAvMr/nNX8RAqVYAKCN+bTKr8abV1RboUNOFb3/0OibSQCeLWAd aYPM7wTsr5V8FKpxBojbl7Y= =4obY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Saturday 17 April 2004 21:07, Anne Wilson wrote: snip I do believe that we will gradually win people over, but the battle is far from won. /snip I'm very confident you're right, Anne. - However, I sometimes get this strange and forbidden feeling : What happens when everybody changes over ? - Or, to rephrase : when everybody scuttles their Volkswagens and drive Ferraris, what joy do I have with my Ferrari ? ;-) Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 05:25, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Saturday 17 April 2004 21:07, Anne Wilson wrote: snip I do believe that we will gradually win people over, but the battle is far from won. /snip I'm very confident you're right, Anne. - However, I sometimes get this strange and forbidden feeling : What happens when everybody changes over ? - Or, to rephrase : when everybody scuttles their Volkswagens and drive Ferraris, what joy do I have with my Ferrari ? ;-) Kaj Haulrich. CUSTOMISED Ferraris, mate. If everyone turned to linux (bearing in mind all the available distros and variations on such) we'd just have more customised and personalised desktops...as is human nature, we all make something our own and personalise it as much as is within our power - and tho everyone would be driving Ferraris, they'd each be different and personal... Don't ya reckon? stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Dorothy: But how can you talk without a brain? Scarecrow: Well, I don't know... but some people without brains do an awful lot of talking. -- The Wizard of Oz Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Mozilla fonts
2004-04-17
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Per-Olof Litby - Reg'l Mgr - Nordic/Baltic - Java System Software - Sun Microsystems
Greetings, I've noticed that Mozilla ignores the KDE system font settings - it apparently uses its own font settings. The fonts used to display messages are easily specified in the Mozilla preferences, but how do I make Mozilla use the same fonts used by KDE for menus and other stuff? Thanks ahead, P O Litby Stockholm, Sweden Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] RPM's
Using the install software feature, I downloaded some rpm's which didn't install as it couldn't read the files. Where does it store these, so I can remove them and re-download them? Thanks for any help to a complete novice :-/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Saturday 17 April 2004 12:25 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Saturday 17 April 2004 21:07, Anne Wilson wrote: snip I do believe that we will gradually win people over, but the battle is far from won. /snip I'm very confident you're right, Anne. - However, I sometimes get this strange and forbidden feeling : What happens when everybody changes over ? - Or, to rephrase : when everybody scuttles their Volkswagens and drive Ferraris, what joy do I have with my Ferrari ? ;-) Kaj Haulrich. I switched my wife's machine to Mandrake 2 years ago. There was a LOT of kicking and screaming, but guess what? Within a couple of days she was used to it and found that she can do anything in KDE that she could do with Windows, except become infected by the worms that are constant headaches for her friends. Her address is on the internet because of the volunteer work she does for a national organization, and SA is a godsend for her inbox, too. She's as happy as can be running a real OS, and when she's happy, so am I. A couple of months ago, she was talking to a friend who was thinking of switching away from Windows, and she said, It's really easy to use--it must be if I can do it without any problems. For 99% of the people using computers, it is a matter of word processing, e-mail and web surfing, so for 99% of the users Linux would be the best choice. Don't let anyone tell you different--Linux is not only ready for the desktop, it is the best desktop. Hardware is the only issue, but if you choose your hardware with the intent to run Linux, even that is moot. e, Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Saturday 17 April 2004 11:36 am, Guy Rouillier wrote: On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 20:21:36 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 17 April 2004 19:47, Guy Rouillier wrote: snip So when you blather on about winsux and winblows, try to explain why for desktop users everything just seems to work in Windows, while Linux continues to be a challenge. /snip .such as viruses, worms, trojans, spyware, phone-home? Admitted, but that doesn't have anything to do with usability, consistency and device support, right? And don't get too comfortable, as soon as Linux gets enough penetration in the desktop market (which I definitely think it will - think of 1.3 billion users in China), the evil-doers will turn their attention on it. They've pretty much ignored it for now since they get so much more bang for the buck from Windows. I work with some Unix/Linux diehards. When I asked one for help with my digital camera under LInux, he sheepishly admitted that he uses Windows at home, simply because of device support. If you had chosen your camera with the intent to use it with Linux, that wouldn't be an issue, now would it? Because I run Linux, I have to think ahead and choose my hardware carefully, and then my hardware works. And I don't care if the bad guys turn their attention to Linux. What you don't seem to understand is that the system architecture is different. Someone's script can't run on my machine without my jumping through very specific hoops to allow it to do so (unless I run as root--in which case Darwinian theory comes into play). The evil-doers have ignored Linux because they can't figure a way to get me to su to a terminal and chmod +x the toy that they've created, and then ./etc. etc. e Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 19:54:41 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 17 April 2004 19:36, Guy Rouillier wrote: I work with some Unix/Linux diehards. When I asked one for help with my digital camera under LInux, he sheepishly admitted that he uses Windows at home, simply because of device support. Now there he has to be joking. Nothing is simpler than a usb digital camera in linux, and I've just had to sort out a mess caused by windows software for a digital camera. He has a high end camera, 6 Mp with all the fancy features. The software for it under Windows does all sorts of fancy stuff I can't relate to. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAgX1xkFAvMr/nNX8RAlTnAJ9+cvMbeH9j5+pRjyLKn//8+nVG+gCfQJjR Mfll/v/vSW6MWfuumArb6Q0= =bL1U -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Guy Rouillier Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:19:02 -0700 Erylon Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Admitted, but that doesn't have anything to do with usability, consistency and device support, right? And don't get too comfortable, as soon as Linux gets enough penetration in the desktop market (which I definitely think it will - think of 1.3 billion users in China), the evil-doers will turn their attention on it. They've pretty much ignored it for now since they get so much more bang for the buck from Windows. I work with some Unix/Linux diehards. When I asked one for help with my digital camera under LInux, he sheepishly admitted that he uses Windows at home, simply because of device support. If you had chosen your camera with the intent to use it with Linux, that wouldn't be an issue, now would it? Because I run Linux, I have to think ahead and choose my hardware carefully, and then my hardware works. And I don't care if the bad guys turn their attention to Linux. What you don't seem to understand is that the system architecture is different. Someone's script can't run on my machine without my jumping through very specific hoops to allow it to do so (unless I run as root--in which case Darwinian theory comes into play). The evil-doers have ignored Linux because they can't figure a way to get me to su to a terminal and chmod +x the toy that they've created, and then ./etc. I understand what you are saying, but I don't agree with it. I'm going to pick a camera that does what I want, not one that suits Linux. Besides, the issue I mentioned is with a memory card reader, which would have occurred regardless of which camera I picked. Regarding your comments about the *nix architecture providing protection, true, it does make it harder to exploit. But that's the thing about intrusions - they find holes you don't know about. Obviously, Linux has much fewer of them given the number of publicized intrusions to date. Look, I'm here, I like Linux, I'm finding more tools that make Linux becoming my full time OS more feasible. I just find the winsux-winblows comments irritating. Since Windows 2000, I've found that platform to be very stable and interface design pretty consistent across applications. Ever try to cut and paste from nedit into sylpheed, for example? Why can't everyone agree on something simple like a clipboard, for crying out loud? -- Guy Rouillier Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:36:04 -0400 Guy Rouillier disseminated the following: the evil-doers will turn their attention on it. Yaaawwwn. I'm so bored of this. Anyhow, this *bullshit* thoroughly and totally debunked: http://securityfocus.com/columnists/188 The extent to which Windows is attacked has *nothing whatsoever to do with market share on the desktop*. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. -- George Carlin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
Erylon Hines wrote: On Saturday 17 April 2004 11:36 am, Guy Rouillier wrote: On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 20:21:36 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 17 April 2004 19:47, Guy Rouillier wrote: snip So when you blather on about winsux and winblows, try to explain why for desktop users everything just seems to work in Windows, while Linux continues to be a challenge. /snip .such as viruses, worms, trojans, spyware, phone-home? Admitted, but that doesn't have anything to do with usability, consistency and device support, right? And don't get too comfortable, as soon as Linux gets enough penetration in the desktop market (which I definitely think it will - think of 1.3 billion users in China), the evil-doers will turn their attention on it. They've pretty much ignored it for now since they get so much more bang for the buck from Windows. I work with some Unix/Linux diehards. When I asked one for help with my digital camera under LInux, he sheepishly admitted that he uses Windows at home, simply because of device support. If you had chosen your camera with the intent to use it with Linux, that wouldn't be an issue, now would it? Because I run Linux, I have to think ahead and choose my hardware carefully, and then my hardware works. And I don't care if the bad guys turn their attention to Linux. What you don't seem to understand is that the system architecture is different. Someone's script can't run on my machine without my jumping through very specific hoops to allow it to do so (unless I run as root--in which case Darwinian theory comes into play). The evil-doers have ignored Linux because they can't figure a way to get me to su to a terminal and chmod +x the toy that they've created, and then ./etc. etc. e If Linux becomes a dominant force in the desktop market, then there's going to be some idiots running as root the whole time. Given that even the worst virus outbreaks only involve a fraction of one percent of windows machines being infected, it would be possible for something serious to happen as a result of these few ignorant root users. Plus - it's obvious that better and easier software installation is needed for Linux to become more newbie-friendly. And that will also make it easier for malicious scripts to be run. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] URPMI mirrors broken?
John Wilson wrote: [snip] That said, with the exception of one very important update, the rollout of 10CE has been a fairly painless experience for all concerned if traffic on this list is any indication. It's been polished, works and most of the rough edges taken off. What's surprising is how few messages have appeared saying that this release broke something compared to past releases. It broke a few things for me, but I'm not complaining. It was released as a beta, so I expect that. MDK 10 is a high quality bit of software, make no mistake about that. It's even better when we consider that 10CE is a public beta. In fact, it's gorgeous. :-) That 2.6 kernel just hums. At one point I considered going back to 9.2, but I decided to fix what I could, and wait for the official edition for the few remaining problems. Sir Robin -- If the lion could speak, we would not understand it. - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] URPMI mirrors broken?
RichardA wrote: On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:12:15 +0100, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 14 April 2004 08:21, RichardA wrote: There are some very angry people on the forums, and I don't blame them. Frustrated, definitely. Angry. No one expects Mandrake to actually communicate to their customers, even before a major restructure of the mirrors, but it seems they all went home for Easter withour fixing it. So much for Mandrake's 'enterprise' ambitions. An unfair and unjustified comment. Try reading the explanation on the Club pages. The situation only developed as people were going home for the holidays. Warly tried to contact the various mirror owners, but they are totally independent of Mandrake, and most of them were unavailable. Oddly enough, they like holidays, too. There is no way that Mandrake employees can guarantee how long it will take mirror owners to sort out this problem. Let's just hope that not too many of them are taking an extended break. Anne I don't think my comment was unfair or unjust. This should have been tested, and there should have been a backout. The mirror maintainers should have been contacted _before_ this change. We all like holidays, but if we work in IT and we break something mission-critical, we stay and work until it is fixed. Their behaviour is acceptable for a hobby distro, but Mandrake are making 'Enterprise' noises. Mandrake is a great distro -- which is why we're all here -- but the company... The best thing the company could do, IMHO, is have someone hang out in this forum, like the much-missed Civileme. Sir Robin -- If the lion could speak, we would not understand it. - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] xfce-4.0.5
Xfce-4.0.5 rpms for Mdk 9.2 and Mdk 10.0 are now available from my site Charles -- How can you work when the system's so crowded? -- Mandrake Linux 10.0 on BigBoy #184142 Registered Linux user #182463 *http://www.eslrahc.com* 2.6.4-1.tmb.5mdkenterprise -- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:23:31 +0100 Anne Wilson disseminated the following: He has a high end camera, 6 Mp with all the fancy features. The software for it under Windows does all sorts of fancy stuff I can't relate to. Nuts - can't think of anything he might want to do that can't be done by Gimp Just one: lock up the entire system requiring a reboot, probably causing loss of data ;-) -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ The US is our trading partner, our neighbour, our ally and our friend... and sometimes we'd like to give them such a smack! -- Rick Mercer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OK...I need an external modem...any suggestions?
On Saturday 17 April 2004 11:26 am, Laura Callier wrote: Well, I've learned a Linux lessonI have a winmodem on my Dell 8300 Dimension desktop computer. None of the distros I've tried, including Mandrake, will accept it. So, I did some research last night and learned that an external modem in this situation is the best thing. The ones advertized at the computer store near me (Microcenter) are Best Data, Diamond, US Robotics and Zoom. Are any of these brands better than the others? This would be for dial up right now. Each brand has several types, which is confusing. Thanks, Laura Laura: I've had good luck with Zoom modems. Currently using a Zoom 2761 external serial modem; I had an internal ISA Zoom before that. I've heard good things about Best Data and USR, too. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] URPMI mirrors broken? (Partially solved????)
On April 17, 2004 09:52 pm, robin wrote: That 2.6 kernel just hums. At one point I considered going back to 9.2, but I decided to fix what I could, and wait for the official edition for the few remaining problems. Sir Robin I think you can now. These two worked for me and Mandrake Update actually recognizes them as update media (or is that medium? :) ) The Offical tree is: urpmi.addmedia --update new-updates ftp://ftp.proxad.net/mirrors1/ftp.mandrake-linux.com/Mandrakelinux/official/updates/10.0/RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz The CE tree is: urpmi.addmedia --update final-updates ftp://ftp.proxad.net/mirrors1/ftp.mandrake-linux.com/Mandrakelinux/devel/10.0/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/ with ../base/hdlist.cz You'll need both if you're running CE. Evidentally there are other mirrors up to date as well but I haven't spent any time poking around them yet. It's kinda slow, which could be overload at my end or dealing with two update sources or just overload on the server. Still, I'm now up to offical, I guess. Finally. :-) ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:38:30 -0400 JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:52:33 -0400 et disseminated the following: How many people have actually *paid* for XP Pro anyway? There's prolly more pirated copies out there than legit. IIRC, I never forked over a single dime for Windows or any software that ran on it. Then I found out I could go legit(well, okay, the MPAA might have a few issues with me), get a better OS, with all the software I needed, and still not pay a dime. I can see a lot of other people making the same discovery. I unfortunately have two legal copies of XP. One copy came with my Gateway laptop even though I begged them not to put it on there (The CD is still in the original shrink wrap). The other copy was received as part of a 'special' Microsoft was having on campus in which they gave away copies of XP to students. Just about anybody who buys a new computer gets stuck buying a copy of XP! -- Job Evers Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 21:44:45 +0100 Owain Sutton disseminated the following: Plus - it's obvious that better and easier software installation is needed for Linux to become more newbie-friendly. And that will also make it easier for malicious scripts to be run. ...okay, lets follow that logic, shall we? Mandrake is one of the easiest to install of the Linux distros. Is it the least secure? Nope. A four-year-old could use Xandros, is it less secure than any other distro? Suse? Red Hat? I think we can safely heave that one into the bin. MS chose a certain path in seeking what they call 'ease of use', that is they integrated every piece of software that comes bundled in the OS with the core, gave the default user full admin rights, and then to top it all off, they broke perfectly secure standards and practices in favour of a bloated, insecure architecture (HTML mail?! Activex?! A freaking mail client and web browser that allow scripts to be run locally without the user's knowledge?!) GNU/Linux would have to literally blow it's brains out and reengineer the OS to ever even come close to the vulnerability Windows, and vice versa. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ Everybody knows that the dice are loaded; Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed; Everybody knows that the war is over; Everybody knows the good guys lost; Everybody knows the fight was fixed; The poor stay poor, the rich get rich; That's how it goes; Everybody knows -- Leonard Cohen, 'Everybody Knows' Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OK...I need an external modem...any suggestions?
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:26 am, many eyes viewed Laura Callier's words:- Well, I've learned a Linux lessonI have a winmodem on my Dell 8300 Dimension desktop computer. None of the distros I've tried, including Mandrake, will accept it. So, I did some research last night and learned that an external modem in this situation is the best thing. The ones advertized at the computer store near me (Microcenter) are Best Data, Diamond, US Robotics and Zoom. Are any of these brands better than the others? This would be for dial up right now. Each brand has several types, which is confusing. Thanks, Laura I selected a Diamond Voice because it actually said that it was suitable for Linux, and it works a treat. Small compact and works right out of the box. Charlie. -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 + The man who is dissatisfied with himself, what can he do? ...Henry David Thoreau This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.2, KMail v1.5.3 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OK...I need an external modem...any suggestions?
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 02:00 am, many eyes viewed Aron Smith's words:- types, which is confusing. I used to use the Bestdata V.92 had no problem using it. you can get winmodems to work.. but it is not a trivial exercise. If you ever have the time or care to share the axe and adze rough idea of how to make a winmodem work Aron I would be interested to read it. Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 + Books, not which afford us a cowering enjoyment, but in which each thought is of unusual daring; such as an idle man cannot read, and a timid one would not be entertained by, which even make us dangerous to existing institution --such call I good books. ...Henry David Thoreau This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.2, KMail v1.5.3 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:39:04 -0400 Guy Rouillier disseminated the following: Look, I'm here, I like Linux, I'm finding more tools that make Linux becoming my full time OS more feasible. I just find the winsux-winblows comments irritating. Then you are going to get very irritated around here :-D Since Windows 2000, I've found that platform to be very stable and interface design pretty consistent across applications. It goes beyond just stability and useability. Microsoft is a *criminal organization*, whose top executives, if they didn't have billions of dollars and a president in their pocket, would be facing *jail time*. They have stifled innovation, broken standards, interfered with and ultimately destroyed viable companies and technologies. Proprietary standards and software are dangerous to the freedoms the 'Net offers, and MS is at the forefront of efforts to curtail those freedoms. Ever try to cut and paste from nedit into sylpheed, for example? Why can't everyone agree on something simple like a clipboard, for crying out loud? Hmmm, select in one, middle-click in the other, seems to work fine for me ;-) -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways. The point, however, is to change it. -- Karl Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] URPMI mirrors broken?
On Sunday 18 April 2004 06:54, robin wrote: snip The best thing the company could do, IMHO, is have someone hang out in this forum, like the much-missed Civileme. /snip I'll second that, indeed. Does anyone here know his whereabouts these days ? - Last I heard he was digging gold (or some such) in Alaska. Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Saturday 17 April 2004 21:35, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 05:25, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Saturday 17 April 2004 21:07, Anne Wilson wrote: snip I do believe that we will gradually win people over, but the battle is far from won. /snip I'm very confident you're right, Anne. - However, I sometimes get this strange and forbidden feeling : What happens when everybody changes over ? - Or, to rephrase : when everybody scuttles their Volkswagens and drive Ferraris, what joy do I have with my Ferrari ? ;-) Kaj Haulrich. CUSTOMISED Ferraris, mate. If everyone turned to linux (bearing in mind all the available distros and variations on such) we'd just have more customised and personalised desktops...as is human nature, we all make something our own and personalise it as much as is within our power - and tho everyone would be driving Ferraris, they'd each be different and personal... Don't ya reckon? Yep ! - And I could add : wouldn't we all have more fun driving Ferraris, Maseratis, Lamborghinis, Bugattis, Aston Martins, Jensens, Bentleys, Jags, Porsches... ? BTW, Stephen, what fine cars do you build down under ? ;-) Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 17 April 2004 21:16, Guy Rouillier wrote: He has a high end camera, 6 Mp with all the fancy features. The software for it under Windows does all sorts of fancy stuff I can't relate to. Nuts - can't think of anything he might want to do that can't be done by Gimp Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAgaBTkFAvMr/nNX8RAkMbAJ4jZkvjTtYDoV/Eh8TnNH0zI/ByswCgmGWQ 3zKrqEHwhFpm663o9YF+OiE= =6kWa -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Kopete Questions
Thanks for your answer. On Q#2, to clarify, the menubar disappeared but I just figured out how to get it back (Ctrl+M). A new question is how do you get Kopete Chat to stop saying Message to 'Username' at 04:20:00pm? I just want to see the message and not so much additional information. Thanks... Trey Sizemore wrote: On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 19:15, Sevatio wrote: Hi everyone, How do you make Kopete Chat send your line of text upon hitting the Enter Key instead of having to hit Ctrl-Enter? 2nd Question: How do you restore the menu on Kopete Chat? Thanks, Sevatio For your first question, it's Settings - Configure Shortcuts (The one you want to change is Send Message). Choose 'Custom' then the 'Enter' key. I'm not sure what you're asking in the second question. Please clarify. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Saturday 17 April 2004 11:31 am, M.Schild wrote: Sorry to sound cynical, but most people do not see beyond the end of their noses. And they wouldn't even have to give it away - just drop the price to £xx rather than £xxx, and most people would go for it. I'm not denying that linux is superior, but I suspect it would all be too much effort if the cost factor wasn't there. I am not sure Linux is more complicated. As a homeuser, I got tired of freezing screens and having to reboot and reinstall. I chucked it 2-3 years ago and never looked back. And if I can do it...anyone can. I heard the Mairie of Paris has switched to Linux Maryse I was given a copy of MDk 8.1 ran dual boot for 6 months then noticed that windows had crashed big time while linux kept on trucking and also I hadn't accessed the winbox for a long time .100% linux desttop now Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Saturday 17 April 2004 12:35 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 05:25, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Saturday 17 April 2004 21:07, Anne Wilson wrote: snip I do believe that we will gradually win people over, but the battle is far from won. /snip I'm very confident you're right, Anne. - However, I sometimes get this strange and forbidden feeling : What happens when everybody changes over ? - Or, to rephrase : when everybody scuttles their Volkswagens and drive Ferraris, what joy do I have with my Ferrari ? ;- Me? Me driving a 4WD Farrari Pickup?ya think so? Kaj Haulrich. CUSTOMISED Ferraris, mate. If everyone turned to linux (bearing in mind all the available distros and variations on such) we'd just have more customised and personalised desktops...as is human nature, we all make something our own and personalise it as much as is within our power - and tho everyone would be driving Ferraris, they'd each be different and personal... Don't ya reckon? stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Dorothy: But how can you talk without a brain? Scarecrow: Well, I don't know... but some people without brains do an awful lot of talking. -- The Wizard of Oz Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 08:51, Kaj Haulrich wrote: BTW, Stephen, what fine cars do you build down under ? ;-) Kaj Haulrich. Well, like in the US the Aussies constantly whinge and fight over Ford vs Holden (GM/Chevrolet) - but I'll settle for my POS/PITA 1983 blue Toyota Corona four-door (actually three door since the one door won't open any more) four cylinder that I generally call my Rolls C'anardly (Rolls down one hill and c'anardly make it up the next); but like linux - to each their own, right? stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Every journalist has a novel in him, which is an excellent place for it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 08:59, Job Evers wrote: Just about anybody who buys a new computer gets stuck buying a copy of XP! ...and that's legal, ya? FORCED to purchase something you don't want? C'mon y'all - ain't that a frigged up practice? M$ ain't forcing itself on the public? (BTW, this entire anti-trust thing has not affected the way M$ does biz and until the US government REALLY locks down on the M$ criminal invasion, nothing will change) stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- The Unknown surrounds us at any given moment. That is where we seek knowledge. -MOTHER SUPERIOR RAQUELLA BERTO-ANIRUL: Oratory Against Fear Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OK...I need an external modem...any suggestions?
On Saturday 17 April 2004 03:38 pm, Charlie wrote: On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 02:00 am, many eyes viewed Aron Smith's words:- types, which is confusing. I used to use the Bestdata V.92 had no problem using it. you can get winmodems to work.. but it is not a trivial exercise. If you ever have the time or care to share the axe and adze rough idea of how to make a winmodem work Aron I would be interested to read it. I gave up on it but there was a long thread on that subject on the expert list a couple of months ago IIRC Charlie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 09:23, Aron Smith wrote: Me? Me driving a 4WD Farrari Pickup?ya think so? I think more in the fact of YOU DRIVING - that's the bit that's hard to swallow...(g) stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- A Severe Strain on the Credulity As a method of sending a missile to the higher, and even to the highest parts of the earth's atmospheric envelope, Professor Goddard's rocket is a practicable and therefore promising device. It is when one considers the multiple-charge rocket as a traveler to the moon that one begins to doubt... for after the rocket quits our air and really starts on its journey, its flight would be neither accelerated nor maintained by the explosion of the charges it then might have left. Professor Goddard, with his chair in Clark College and countenancing of the Smithsonian Institution, does not know the relation of action to re-action, and of the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react... Of course he only seems to lack the knowledge ladled out daily in high schools. -- New York Times Editorial, 1920 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Saturday 17 April 2004 04:33 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 09:23, Aron Smith wrote: Me? Me driving a 4WD Farrari Pickup?ya think so? I think more in the fact of YOU DRIVING - that's the bit that's hard to swallow...(g) At least my girlfriend takes the ciggerette out of her mouth ..BEFORE she starts cussin out the state troopers ;-) stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- A Severe Strain on the Credulity As a method of sending a missile to the higher, and even to the highest parts of the earth's atmospheric envelope, Professor Goddard's rocket is a practicable and therefore promising device. It is when one considers the multiple-charge rocket as a traveler to the moon that one begins to doubt... for after the rocket quits our air and really starts on its journey, its flight would be neither accelerated nor maintained by the explosion of the charges it then might have left. Professor Goddard, with his chair in Clark College and countenancing of the Smithsonian Institution, does not know the relation of action to re-action, and of the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react... Of course he only seems to lack the knowledge ladled out daily in high schools. -- New York Times Editorial, 1920 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:19:39 -0700 Aron Smith disseminated the following: I am not sure Linux is more complicated. As a homeuser, I got tired of freezing screens and having to reboot and reinstall. I chucked it 2-3 years ago and never looked back. And if I can do it...anyone can. I heard the Mairie of Paris has switched to Linux Maryse I was given a copy of MDk 8.1 ran dual boot for 6 months then noticed that windows had crashed big time while linux kept on trucking ...and didn't interfere in the proper and uninterrupted viewing of goat pr0n. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ The report by the New York-based Human Rights Watch...described harsh conditions and treatment in U.S. military detention facilities, such as depriving prisoners of sleep... Such practices are regularly condemned by U.S. officials when they occur in other countries. -- Washington Post, March 9 2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Re: Installing newer Mozilla on Mandrake 9.1
Anne Wilson wrote: The most important is to make safe the existing email. What should I do? How to backup the email and restore it back? I read somewhere that an older Mozilla should be de-installed before to install the new one. This is harder than it should be. Unless you get the preparation right you will lose all your mail. I have been browsing over the last couple of days, as I have to deal with a windows install where I will have to do this. Two resources I have found that should help are a website with list and description of files in the Mozilla profile directory, at gemal.dk I have looked at gemal site and it seemed to me that it covers Windows version of Mozilla only. an email reply to a mailing list that says that you should copy your profile folder to a safe directory, then allow a new profile to be created by the install. It then says I backup by simply copying the files. If you have the old profile directory intact somewhere just copy those files, without the .msf files, which Mozilla recreates any time they are missing. I have not tested this myself, but it may help you. Anne Although I did backup my profile folder to a safe place, seemed that at Linux such an action is not a must, because as usual a user's profile is placed at different place (into a 'home') than the Mozilla 'system' files. Anyway thanks for suggestions. Well, there is another issue. Mandrake 9.1 comes with Mozilla 1.3 that is placed within /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3 directory. At first I didn't want to make problems with that original Mozilla, so I installed Mozilla 1.6 to its suggested 'default' directory: /usr/local/mozilla. I did it all as root and later, running under user privileges, Mozilla 1.6 recognized the existing old profile, mail and other settings. So far - so good. The problem is that v 1.6 looks awful i.e. its appearance is worse than v 1.3 including its fonts and others. The similar situation I had a couple of months ago, when I installed Netscape 7.1 to the system (it went to its 'default' /usr/local/netscape directory). Now I thought maybe /usr/lib might be better path than /usr/local (because the original Mozilla 1.3 lives in /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3). So, on the other computer, I made a directory /usr/lib/mozilla-1.6 prior to Mozilla 1.6 installation. All went ok, but the look of Mozilla 1.6 is still awful. Any idea what to do in oder to improve its behavior? Misko Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
