Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 06:32, Russell W. Behne wrote: Today at 00:22, Greg Meyer wrote: On Monday 25 October 2004 09:04 pm, Russell W. Behne wrote: Ok, I got the switch, installed it, and the two hosts can ping each other, but neither can ping the server, and when I try to ping either host from the server I get this error message: ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Any idea what's causing this, and how to fix it? A quick google search turned up this. Does it help? Ok, I did this: ]# iptables -L OUTPUT -n -v Chain OUTPUT (policy DROP 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 10175 4066K ACCEPT all -- * lo 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 0 0 DROP!icmp -- * *0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state INVALID 24541 1478K fw2net all -- * eth0 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 4286 336K all2all all -- * eth1 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 0 0 Reject all -- * *0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 0 0 LOG all -- * *0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 LOG flags 0 level 6 prefix `Shorewall:OUTPUT:REJECT:' 0 0 reject all -- * * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 Being a complete newbie at this, it appears that shorewall is blocking ALL pings. Exactly how should I enable bidirectional pings (and everything else for that matter) within my local network, and still block only those pings coming from outside, (from the Internet)? I've never had to manually config shorewall, and haven't a clue what ccommand to use, or where to put it to make it permanent. Yes shorewall will by default block pings from both the Internet and the local network. It will also block ALL traffic from the local network to the firewall. So if you want to run as a firewall AND as a server you must open up traffic to the local network. SHorewall is actually pretty easy to configure once you understand it. There are a number of text config files. /etc/shorewall/zones defines the zones to protect. net- is the internet, fw- is the firewall itself, loc- is the local network /etc/shorewall/interfaces defines which interface is in which zone. /etc/shorewall/policy defines the general firewall policy /etc/shorewall/masq defines masquerading (Network address translation) /etc/shorewall/rules defines exceptoins to the policy (ports you want to open) The text is self explanatory to allow ping from local net in 'rules' ACCEPT loc fw icmp8 to open up all services from local net to firewall in 'policy' change loc fw ACCEPT Then 'shorewall restart' in a root terminal see www.shorewall.net for documentation. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
Today at 09:54, Derek Jennings wrote: Yes shorewall will by default block pings from both the Internet and the local network. It will also block ALL traffic from the local network to the firewall. So if you want to run as a firewall AND as a server you must open up traffic to the local network. SHorewall is actually pretty easy to configure once you understand it. There are a number of text config files. /etc/shorewall/zones defines the zones to protect. net- is the internet, fw- is the firewall itself, loc- is the local network /etc/shorewall/interfaces defines which interface is in which zone. /etc/shorewall/policy defines the general firewall policy /etc/shorewall/masq defines masquerading (Network address translation) /etc/shorewall/rules defines exceptoins to the policy (ports you want to open) The text is self explanatory to allow ping from local net in 'rules' ACCEPTloc fw icmp8 to open up all services from local net to firewall in 'policy' change loc fw ACCEPT Then 'shorewall restart' in a root terminal see www.shorewall.net for documentation. Allright, I did all that just now, and after the restart trried to ping the 2 hosts from the server - no joy. Nothing's changed. I still can't ping them.. -- Mit freundlichen Gren, Russ. Sick of democrat and republican lies? http://badnarik.org/whybadnarik.php What is freedom, really? See this great flash presentation: http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli (June 7, 1797). Article 11 states: The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.'' --John Adams (the second President of the United States) A ship under sail and a big-bellied woman, are the handsomest two things that can be seen common. ---Benjamin Franklin http://www.TruthAboutWar.org Visit my nursery: http://www.angelfire.com/linux/behnesnursery/ The Behne Family Genealogy Project: http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/rwbehne/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
Wednesday at 10:49, Anne Wilson wrote: Russell, if you don't mind me saying so, you are a sucker for punishment ;-) Get your switch. It's a doddle after that. You won't believe how easy it is after what you were trying to do. Ok, I got the switch, installed it, and the two hosts can ping each other, but neither can ping the server, and when I try to ping either host from the server I get this error message: ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Any idea what's causing this, and how to fix it? -- Mit freundlichen Gren, Russ. Sick of democrat and republican lies? http://badnarik.org/whybadnarik.php What is freedom, really? See this great flash presentation: http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf Enjoy the present hour, be mindful of the past; And neither fear nor wish the approaches of the last. From a letter to Thomas Jefferson: ``I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved ---the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!'' --John Adams (the second President of the United States) http://www.TruthAboutWar.org Visit my nursery: http://www.angelfire.com/linux/behnesnursery/ The Behne Family Genealogy Project: http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/rwbehne/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
On Monday 25 October 2004 09:04 pm, Russell W. Behne wrote: Ok, I got the switch, installed it, and the two hosts can ping each other, but neither can ping the server, and when I try to ping either host from the server I get this error message: ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Any idea what's causing this, and how to fix it? A quick google search turned up this. Does it help? -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
Today at 00:22, Greg Meyer wrote: On Monday 25 October 2004 09:04 pm, Russell W. Behne wrote: Ok, I got the switch, installed it, and the two hosts can ping each other, but neither can ping the server, and when I try to ping either host from the server I get this error message: ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Any idea what's causing this, and how to fix it? A quick google search turned up this. Does it help? Ok, I did this: ]# iptables -L OUTPUT -n -v Chain OUTPUT (policy DROP 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 10175 4066K ACCEPT all -- * lo 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 0 0 DROP!icmp -- * *0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state INVALID 24541 1478K fw2net all -- * eth0 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 4286 336K all2all all -- * eth1 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 0 0 Reject all -- * *0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 0 0 LOG all -- * *0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 LOG flags 0 level 6 prefix `Shorewall:OUTPUT:REJECT:' 0 0 reject all -- * *0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 Being a complete newbie at this, it appears that shorewall is blocking ALL pings. Exactly how should I enable bidirectional pings (and everything else for that matter) within my local network, and still block only those pings coming from outside, (from the Internet)? I've never had to manually config shorewall, and haven't a clue what ccommand to use, or where to put it to make it permanent. -- Mit freundlichen Gren, Russ. Sick of democrat and republican lies? http://badnarik.org/whybadnarik.php What is freedom, really? See this great flash presentation: http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf ``All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed; second, it is violently opposed; and third, it is accepted as self-evident.'' ---Arthur Schopenhauer He that best understands the World, least likes it. http://www.TruthAboutWar.org Visit my nursery: http://www.angelfire.com/linux/behnesnursery/ The Behne Family Genealogy Project: http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/rwbehne/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
On Sunday 31 October 2004 02:17, Russell W. Behne wrote: Oct 20 at 01:38, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: For one: I've never used 2 or more networkcards for the same net on the same PC before (I use a hubcheapefficient) but I don't think it poses a problem. They should be connected with a crossover cable (comparable to a nul modem serial cable) otherwise you're going to get nowhere!! You're not using straight through cat5, right? The cable package says Belkin FastCAT5e Network Cable, with RJ45 male connectors on each end. Are you saying that I have to switch a couple wires on one end of these cables? Both the kids PC's are configured using static IP (11 12) so you should setup the connected nics accordinglyi.e. ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1 up and what'll happen when you ifconfig eth2 192.16.0.1 up..Don't know??? Maybe you could use a diferent subnet there like 192.168.1. and rename one of the 2 kids 192.168.1.11 and bridge the two nics...that I know howto, keep it for later:) OK, I changed the ip numbers, did the `ifconfig ethx 192.168.x.x up' thing, and now the route works: Kernel IP routing table (on behne.us) Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 67.21.58.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 192.168.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth2 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 127.0.0.0* 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo default va-staff-u1-c3f 0.0.0.0 UG0 0 0 eth0 And pings now work to both hosts from the server: ping -c1 jackie ; ping -c1 jennifer PING jackie.behne.us (192.168.2.22) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from jackie.behne.us (192.168.2.22): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.122 ms --- jackie.behne.us ping statistics --- 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.122/0.122/0.122/0.000 ms PING jennifer.behne.us (192.168.1.11) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from jennifer.behne.us (192.168.1.11): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.119 ms ...and that's odd, since host jennifer is a Windblows box not properly configured yet. (I keep getting the error message `network cable unplugged' --- and no clue, since it is plugged in.) Host jackie (MDK 9.1) can ping the server and gets responses just fine, but nothing else works yet. I tried a browser to http://behne.us (which should work within my localnet,) but it gets a `can't connect' message. You're getting there:) Apparently you have crossover cabling oherwise you wouldn't be able to ping directly. For Jennifer and Jackie to get www names resolved you need to tell their boxes where the name server for the outside-world is. They're both going via the main box so: edit /etc/resolv.conf with the following command (as root) cat nameserver 192.168.1.1 /etc/resolv.conf on Jackie. As Jennifer has a winblows box you'll have to muck with the IP/TCP properties somewhere and add 192.168.2.1 as nameserver. Make sure to either edit the network scripts as Greg said or use mandrake control centre for your network settingsotherwise you'll lose all your settings (except /etc/resolv.conf) at a reboot. Having jackie and Jennifer on 2 different subnets means they both can communicate with the main box and the internet but not with each other. If you want to have that too, you can bridge the 2 nics with bridge-utils. You'll probably have to install the package though. -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
Today at 08:57, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: You're getting there:) Apparently you have crossover cabling otherwise you wouldn't be able to ping directly. Actually, I discovered that's not what's happening. I was wondering why I was getting ping responses, but nothing else works. I did a telnet jackie 25, and to my surprise I was connected to the mail server. It was surprising because I didn't recall ever installing one on jackie. So I did a telnet jennifer 25, and when I found myself connected to the same mail server I knew something was wrong. I ran nmap against both hosts and found that in both cases it was reporting my server's condition. I now believe that since I don't have crossover cabling the ping responses are false, and apparently each nic is `bouncing' all tcp/ip frames back at the server's kernel, which responds back to the nic cards, which in turn bounce the frames back at the terminal. I have no idea why it's acting this way, but that's what's happening. I will simply have to get a switch - no doubt about it now. For Jennifer and Jackie to get www names resolved you need to tell their boxes where the name server for the outside-world is. They're both going via the main box so: edit /etc/resolv.conf with the following command (as root) cat nameserver 192.168.1.1 /etc/resolv.conf on Jackie. As Jennifer has a winblows box you'll have to muck with the IP/TCP properties somewhere and add 192.168.2.1 as nameserver. Done all that, but I'll have to redo it as soon as I get the switch and reassign ip addresses again. Make sure to either edit the network scripts as Greg said or use mandrake control centre for your network settingsotherwise you'll lose all your settings (except /etc/resolv.conf) at a reboot. Having jackie and Jennifer on 2 different subnets means they both can communicate with the main box and the internet but not with each other. If you want to have that too, you can bridge the 2 nics with bridge-utils. You'll probably have to install the package though. The switch should solve this too, shouldn't it? I hope so. With the switch they'll be put back on the same subnet. I'll probably be back with other problems after the switch is installed --- and hopefully running right. Thanks! -- Mit freundlichen Gren, Russ. Visit my nursery: http://www.angelfire.com/linux/behnesnursery/ The Behne Family Genealogy Project: http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/rwbehne/ Should we continue to trust Bush as our leader? Read this, then you decide: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4636.shtml --=[Russell's Quotes 1]=-- If you ride a horse, sit close and tight, if you ride a man, sit easy and light. =[Russell's Quotes 2]= A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government. -- George Washington --- http://www.TruthAboutWar.org What is freedom, really? See this great flash presentation: http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
On Wednesday 20 Oct 2004 08:43, Russell W. Behne wrote: The switch should solve this too, shouldn't it? I hope so. With the switch they'll be put back on the same subnet. I'll probably be back with other problems after the switch is installed --- and hopefully running right. Russell, if you don't mind me saying so, you are a sucker for punishment ;-) Get your switch. It's a doddle after that. You won't believe how easy it is after what you were trying to do. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
Today at 21:25, bascule wrote: re: crossover cables Russell, while in general it's true you will need crossover for machine to machine, there are nics that do autodetection of the cable and adjust accordingly, as far as I'm aware that's hardware based, if you happened to have such a nic you might be able to avoid new cables, though the other advice you've had to go for a switch as part of your lan is good, it allows for easy expansion and, depending on your initial hardware, provide better performance than routing all traffic between clients through one server bascule Normally, I ignore the documentation that comes with things like this, because it only talks about Micro$oft installations. Based on what you said I decided to have a look, and no, this one doesn't autodetect and adjust. At least, there's nothing in the manual saying so. I've already ordered this switch: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-130-107depa=5, and so I'll pull out one of the boards, return it to walmart, and use eth1 to connect to the switch. In the long term this is a better solution for me, since I'll not only avoid headaches, but I'll have extra ports for future expansion. I figure that someday I'll throw together on old system, as an X-term put it in my woodshop, and run a cable from there to the switch, that way I'll be able to log in from the woodshop office without having to walk back to the house. Thanks! -- Mit freundlichen Gren, Russ. Visit my nursery: http://www.angelfire.com/linux/behnesnursery/ The Behne Family Genealogy Project: http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/rwbehne/ Should we continue to trust Bush as our leader? Read this, then you decide: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4636.shtml --=[Russell's Quotes 1]=-- Glass, China, and Reputation, are easily crack'd, and never well mended. =[Russell's Quotes 2]= The Proud hate Pride -- in others. --- http://www.TruthAboutWar.org What is freedom, really? See this great flash presentation: http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
On Wednesday 20 October 2004 22:46, Russell W. Behne wrote: extra ports for future expansion. I figure that someday I'll throw together on old system, as an X-term put it in my woodshop, and run a cable from there to the switch, that way I'll be able to log in from the woodshop office without having to walk back to the house. Thanks! there ya gocorrupted for life;) Rather configure an old PC for a few hours than walk to the house.you're in the same bucket we are, LOL Hey...don't forget wireless!! That way you can even toss the cables;) -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
On Tuesday 19 October 2004 04:50, Russell W. Behne wrote: I want to network 2 computers off of my host. (One for each of my kids.) Right now both new boxes are windows only. I have a couple old hard drives that I will install, one in each box, to use for Linux. I want: 1. Both computers to be able to dual boot using lilo, Linux as default, with a super-bare-bones Linux install, (See #3.) 2. Use static IP addresses for all 3 machines, 127.0.0.1 for mine, 127.0.0.11 for the first dual-boot machine, and 127.0.0.12 for the second. Russel, the adress 127.0.0.1 is reserved as local host and you'll be having some trouble trying t get that range of numbers to work. On a private lan you should use ranges like 192.168.0.xxx or 192.168.1.xxx whre xxx goes up to 254. What you want is all very feasible but as apparently you have no idea what so-ever about networking: Browse through a book about setting up a network (for beginners) first! It should save you a lot of frustration setting up and maintaining your lan. You don't want us to set up your lan...you want to do it yourself, don't you? -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
Today at 08:54, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: the address 127.0.0.1 is reserved as local host and you'll be having some trouble trying t get that range of numbers to work. On a private lan you should use ranges like 192.168.0.xxx or 192.168.1.xxx where xxx goes up to 254. That right. I didn't realize until after I clicked `send' that i put 127.0.0.1 there, I did mean 192.168.0.1, but didn't remember that particular number at the time. I'll use 192.168.0.1 for the server, then 192.168.0.11 and 192.168.0.12 for the hosts. What you want is all very feasible but as apparently you have no idea what so-ever about networking: Precisely. Browse through a book about setting up a network (for beginners) first! It should save you a lot of frustration setting up and maintaining your lan. You don't want us to set up your lan...you want to do it yourself, don't you? H Actually, it would be nice if y'all do drop in and do it all for me, but I'd just as soon everyone just guide me and I'll do all the configuring myself, so that I get familiar with what's what. That way, once it's done, should there be a problem later on, I'll have an idea where to look. I would just like some guidance from folks that have been there before me, so as to prevent getting into common mistakes (particularly in regards to security.) Also, books can be loaded with so many obtuse examples and chit-chat- that I get confused on just what I _need_ to do, and what I need to ignore. I did receivee another, longer, letter from someone else with helpfull comments, but I'll have to wait until I get some sleep before continuing. It's 3:30 am here, so I'll get some rest and start fresh `tomorow'. By then I may also have a few more helpfull answers, and every little bit will help! -- Mit freundlichen Gren, Russ. Visit my nursery: http://www.angelfire.com/linux/behnesnursery/ The Behne Family Genealogy Project: http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/rwbehne/ Should we continue to trust Bush as our leader? Read this, then you decide: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4636.shtml --=[Russell's Quotes 1]=-- ``More and more of our imports come from overseas.'' --G. W. Bush, (Source: Slate) [Just how thick-headed can a guy be? --Russ.] =[Russell's Quotes 2]= To err is human, to repent divine; to persist devilish. --- http://www.TruthAboutWar.org What is freedom, really? See this great flash presentation: http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
On Tuesday 19 October 2004 09:32, Russell W. Behne wrote: H Actually, it would be nice if y'all do drop in and do it all for me, but I'd just as soon everyone just guide me and I'll do all the configuring myself, so that I get familiar with what's what. That way, once it's done, should there be a problem later on, I'll have an idea where to look. That's just the point I was trying to make. You start at just setting up a simple lan. After that, get in deeper step by step. I would just like some guidance from folks that have been there before me, so as to prevent getting into common mistakes (particularly in regards to security.) Also, books can be loaded with so many obtuse examples and chit-chat- that I get confused on just what I _need_ to do, and what I need to ignore. What you're asking (all your questions combined) would certainly be confusing too. Like I said: get a basic setup going...then add/configure your specific needs one by one. Don't try to take all the hurdles in one go, you're bound to end up face down. -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
On Tuesday 19 October 2004 03:50, Russell W. Behne wrote: I want to network 2 computers off of my host. (One for each of my kids.) Right now both new boxes are windows only. I have a couple old hard drives that I will install, one in each box, to use for Linux. I want: 1. Both computers to be able to dual boot using lilo, Linux as default, with a super-bare-bones Linux install, (See #3.) 2. Use static IP addresses for all 3 machines, 127.0.0.1 for mine, 127.0.0.11 for the first dual-boot machine, and 127.0.0.12 for the second. 3. Linux to boot its files systems from my host over the network, so on upgrades upgrading the main box will update all 3. 4. A common password system, where all passwords are maintained on the main box. 5. Each of the 2 boxes will have it's own /home/$user directory (to save space on the server), the main box will have all other user directories in its /home, and /home appears identical on all 3 boxes, so one can login on any machine. 6. Set up things to that the 2 kid's boxes have a `time window' when they can be connected to the Internet, (not 24/7.) 7. Limit instant messaging, as above, to certain times of the day, and set a quota of how long per day they can use IM. 8. Keep a watchfull eye on what they're doing, and what they're viewing. How do I accomplish all this, in what order? Exactly which howtos can help? I don't even know where to begin! 2/ You have already know not to use those addresses. 3/ Yes its possible, but if you know nothing about networking, then it will be quite a challenge. There are some specialist Linux distros designed to be booted this way. A simpler alternative approach is to use the standard Mandrake Software updating system urpmi in its 'parallel mode' in which it will update many computers simultaneously. See 'man urpmi' for details. Mandrake use urpmi in its parallel mode to update super computer clusters. 4/ LDAP will do this http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/LDAP-Implementation-HOWTO.html never had to use it myself. I just set the paswords the same on all the kids computers. If you install the 'drakwizard' rpm, then your Mandrake Control Centre will contain a new 'server' section which includes a wizard to set up LDAP. 5/ It is actually simpler to keep the /home on the server. If your kids computers are capable of a PXE boot (network boot), then you do not need a hard drive on the kids computers at all. Absolutly everything can be done over the network. 6/ I do that very simply by using a cron job to put a command into the shorewall firewall to block or unblock connections. I restrict access to individual sites to 15 minutes in each hour so they cannot spend hours at a time in chat rooms. See http://www.shorewall.net/ (shorewall is the standard firewall installed by Mandrake) 7/ As per 6. The shorewall firewall will do that for you in association with cron. 8/ DansGuardian or SquidGuard will restrict access to unsavoury sites. They both work in conjunction with the Squid proxy server. There are many reporting tools for use with Squid. I use Squeezer, but squeezer is not particularly easy to get working. http://www.squid-cache.org/ http://dansguardian.org/ Operating a Squid proxy will speed up Internet access for you all by caching frequently used pages. HTH derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
Russell W. Behne wrote: I want to network 2 computers off of my host. (One for each of my kids.) Right now both new boxes are windows only. I have a couple old hard drives that I will install, one in each box, to use for Linux. I want: 1. Both computers to be able to dual boot using lilo, Linux as default, with a super-bare-bones Linux install, (See #3.) 2. Use static IP addresses for all 3 machines, 127.0.0.1 for mine, 127.0.0.11 for the first dual-boot machine, and 127.0.0.12 for the second. 3. Linux to boot its files systems from my host over the network, so on upgrades upgrading the main box will update all 3. 4. A common password system, where all passwords are maintained on the main box. 5. Each of the 2 boxes will have it's own /home/$user directory (to save space on the server), the main box will have all other user directories in its /home, and /home appears identical on all 3 boxes, so one can login on any machine. 6. Set up things to that the 2 kid's boxes have a `time window' when they can be connected to the Internet, (not 24/7.) 7. Limit instant messaging, as above, to certain times of the day, and set a quota of how long per day they can use IM. 8. Keep a watchfull eye on what they're doing, and what they're viewing. How do I accomplish all this, in what order? Exactly which howtos can help? I don't even know where to begin! Russell, At the risk of sounding like Joe Hill, please remove your email address from the Reply To line in your email settings. Otherwise, no one else on the list can see replies from other list-members that try to help you. Back to the fun part,... By the sounds of things, you've got a handle on the IP address problem, but I was looking at the rest of your shopping list, and it seems to me that you would be better off using LTSP for your children. LTSP would allow you to leave your two new PC's untouched and intact, and they wouldn't need extra hard drives. Since your intention is to have Linux delivered to their systems via your PC and you want to maintain and control their Internet access from your system, it seems to be the logical choice. Have a look at http://www.ltsp.org and get back to the list. LTSP will allow you to install the necessary packages onto your system, and to create boot floppy disks for the two kids PC's. Booting those PC's from the floppy disks will automatically connect the PC's to yours and they will receive a desktop and only the applications you want them to have. The site also has useful goodies such as meter Maid which will allow you to track and enable/disable their Internet access and/or access to Linux. At those times when they need Windows, the can simply reboot their PC's without the floppy disks and Windows will still be ready to go and untouched by Linux. This also means that you won't have to install extra hard drives in those two PC's. As of version 4.0, LTSP also came with a pretty good setup wizard which simplifies the whole setup considerably. While you're at it, this site will also help you create the necessary bootdisks for each system as long as you know which network cards you have in those two PC's. http://www.rom-o-matic.net/ With a small bit of tweaking, you'll be able to lock down what the kids can/can't do and when. Hope that helps. -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Russell W. Behne wrote: I want to network 2 computers off of my host. (One for each of my kids.) Right now both new boxes are windows only. I have a couple old hard drives that I will install, one in each box, to use for Linux. I want: 1. Both computers to be able to dual boot using lilo, Linux as default, with a super-bare-bones Linux install, (See #3.) 2. Use static IP addresses for all 3 machines, 127.0.0.1 for mine, 127.0.0.11 for the first dual-boot machine, and 127.0.0.12 for the second. That's the loopback IP you want to use for yours, a private subnet might be better, 192.168.x.x for instance. 3. Linux to boot its files systems from my host over the network, so on upgrades upgrading the main box will update all 3. You could look at drakTermServ, you would need no Linux install on the cient machines. 4. A common password system, where all passwords are maintained on the main box. See above. 5. Each of the 2 boxes will have it's own /home/$user directory (to save space on the server), the main box will have all other user directories in its /home, and /home appears identical on all 3 boxes, so one can login on any machine. Conflicts with a terminal-server setup. Actually many nfs type setups will share /home, rather than have it on the seperate machines. If you want seperate /home, it could be done, but you'd need to keep them in sync somehow if you want them identical (rsync). 6. Set up things to that the 2 kid's boxes have a `time window' when they can be connected to the Internet, (not 24/7.) 7. Limit instant messaging, as above, to certain times of the day, and set a quota of how long per day they can use IM. 8. Keep a watchfull eye on what they're doing, and what they're viewing. Probably some proxy work and logging could handle the above. I used to use a piece of software when I was an admin at a plant that tracked all the employees internet activities. (drakonian, I know, but that's what management wanted.) -- Stew Benedict Mandrakesoft --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
Ok. I'm at the point where I have the 2 extra network cards installed. eth0 goes to my cable modem, and is the default route. eth1 and eth2 are for the 2 kids computers. When I do ifconfig I get this: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:10:B5:C0:C0:40 inet addr:67.21.58.221 Bcast:67.21.58.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::210:b5ff:fec0:c040/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:56456 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:15420 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:6678890 (6.3 Mb) TX bytes:1220724 (1.1 Mb) Interrupt:5 Base address:0x3000 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0C:41:E7:BE:A6 inet6 addr: fe80::20c:41ff:fee7:bea6/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:30 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:60 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:10 Base address:0xdc00 eth2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0C:41:EA:80:36 inet6 addr: fe80::20c:41ff:feea:8036/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:20 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:40 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:11 Base address:0xe000 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:5247 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:5247 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:2097769 (2.0 Mb) TX bytes:2097769 (2.0 Mb) So both cards are now reecognised by the kernel. But pings to 192.168.0.11 and 192.168.0.12 aren't answered; doing a traceroute to 192.168.0.11 shows that the pings are going out the cable modem on eth0 to my ISP's private network instead of eth1. So my next problem is how to set up routing for the 2 hosts. The route command shows: Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 67.21.58.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0* 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo default va-staff-u1-c3f 0.0.0.0 UG0 0 0 eth0 This isn't working: # route add -host 192.168.0.11 dev eth1 SIOCADDRT: No such device How do I add the routes for the 2 hosts so that pings go to them? I can't sseem to find a howto that explains how to get the machines pinging back and forth without dhcp. Once I get things right on the server, I want to do each host, and get them pinging bothh ways. -- Mit freundlichen Gren, Russ. Visit my nursery: http://www.angelfire.com/linux/behnesnursery/ The Behne Family Genealogy Project: http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/rwbehne/ Should we continue to trust Bush as our leader? Read this, then you decide: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4636.shtml --=[Russell's Quotes 1]=-- An undutiful Daughter, will prove an unmanageable Wife. =[Russell's Quotes 2]= Poverty wants some things, luxury many things, avarice all things. --- http://www.TruthAboutWar.org What is freedom, really? See this great flash presentation: http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
On Sunday 31 October 2004 00:09, Russell W. Behne wrote: Ok. I'm at the point where I have the 2 extra network cards installed. eth0 goes to my cable modem, and is the default route. eth1 and eth2 are for the 2 kids computers. When I do ifconfig I get this: eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0C:41:E7:BE:A6 inet6 addr: fe80::20c:41ff:fee7:bea6/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:30 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:60 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:10 Base address:0xdc00 eth2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0C:41:EA:80:36 inet6 addr: fe80::20c:41ff:feea:8036/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:20 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:40 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:11 Base address:0xe000 So both cards are now reecognised by the kernel. But pings to 192.168.0.11 and 192.168.0.12 aren't answered; doing a traceroute to 192.168.0.11 shows that the pings are going out the cable modem on eth0 to my ISP's private network instead of eth1. So my next problem is how to set up routing for the 2 hosts. The route command shows: SNIP If you look at the ifconfig display for eth1 and eth2 you will notice that you have not assigned them an IP address. You need to create files called /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 and ifcfg-eth2 containing for example DEVICE=eth1 BOOTPROTO=static IPADRR=192.168.0.11 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 BROADCAST=192.168.0.255 ONBOOT=yes Then do 'service network restart' in a root terminal. alternatively just go through the connection GUI in Mandrake Control centre. It will do the same thing. derek BTW: Please remove the Reply To in your mail client. (Second time of asking) -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004, Russell W. Behne wrote: Ok. I'm at the point where I have the 2 extra network cards installed. eth0 goes to my cable modem, and is the default route. eth1 and eth2 are for the 2 kids computers. When I do ifconfig I get this: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:10:B5:C0:C0:40 inet addr:67.21.58.221 Bcast:67.21.58.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 SNIP eth1, eth2 aren't configured, they have no IP address. 3 cards on a machine to network to 2 others is kind of overkill. Each of the cards need an IP address on your machine. Then I guess you'll route each 1-1 connection through the appropriate device. (personally I'd use a hub or switch, and only 2 cards on the server machine, routing the local subnet through eth1). -- Stew Benedict Mandrakesoft --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
Oct 20 at 00:20, Derek Jennings wrote: If you look at the ifconfig display for eth1 and eth2 you will notice that you have not assigned them an IP address. You need to create files called /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 and ifcfg-eth2 containing for example DEVICE=eth1 BOOTPROTO=static IPADRR=192.168.0.11 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 BROADCAST=192.168.0.255 ONBOOT=yes Then do 'service network restart' in a root terminal. alternatively just go through the connection GUI in Mandrake Control centre. It will do the same thing. The 2 appropriate files already exist, created in Mandrake Control Center. I did a 'service network restart' for the heck of it, and among the messages I got these 2: Bringing up interface eth1: [FAILED] Bringing up interface eth2: [FAILED] Got an idea what's wrong? BTW: Please remove the Reply To in your mail client. (Second time of asking) Sorry. I've been looking for the place in my pine con fig to stop that, but I can't find it for some reason. The mailing list software is supposed to strip out that header and replace it with one for the list, but it isn't. (When I used to run SmartList here, it did so automatically.) I'm having to manually delete that line every time I write an email, and it's a pain. If you can tell me how to get pine to stop doing that, I'd really appreciate it! -- Mit freundlichen Gren, Russ. Visit my nursery: http://www.angelfire.com/linux/behnesnursery/ The Behne Family Genealogy Project: http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/rwbehne/ Should we continue to trust Bush as our leader? Read this, then you decide: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4636.shtml --=[Russell's Quotes 1]=-- One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -- Plato =[Russell's Quotes 2]= When you're an anvil, hold you still; when you're a hammer strike your fill. --- http://www.TruthAboutWar.org What is freedom, really? See this great flash presentation: http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
On Sunday 31 October 2004 01:09, Russell W. Behne wrote: So both cards are now reecognised by the kernel. But pings to 192.168.0.11 and 192.168.0.12 aren't answered; doing a traceroute to 192.168.0.11 shows that the pings are going out the cable modem on eth0 to my ISP's private network instead of eth1. So my next problem is how to set up routing for the 2 hosts. The route command shows: Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 67.21.58.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo default va-staff-u1-c3f 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 This isn't working: # route add -host 192.168.0.11 dev eth1 SIOCADDRT: No such device How do I add the routes for the 2 hosts so that pings go to them? I can't sseem to find a howto that explains how to get the machines pinging back and forth without dhcp. Once I get things right on the server, I want to do each host, and get them pinging bothh ways. For one: I've never used 2 or more networkcards for the same net on the same PC before (I use a hubcheapefficient) but I don't think it poses a problem. They should be connected with a crossover cable (comparable to a nul modem serial cable) otherwise you're going to get nowhere!! You're not using straight through cat5, right? Both the kids PC's are configured using static IP (11 12) so you should setup the connected nics accordinglyi.e. ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1 up and what'll happen when you ifconfig eth2 192.16.0.1 up..Don't know??? Maybe you could use a diferent subnet there like 192.168.1. and rename one of the 2 kids 192.168.1.11 and bridge the two nics...that I know howto, keep it for later:) I hope somebody else can chip in on the 3 nics. In short: two boxes connected: 192.168.0.1-192.168.0.10 on each box ifconfig ethx 192.168.0.n up ---where x is the device n° and n it's own adress n°. IF they're connected you can ping the other and yourself...that's it! the route command should be run on the kids PC's to tell where the gateway (to internet ) is...i.e.route add default gw 192.168.0.1 and respectively route add default gw 192.68.1.1 -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
Oct 20 at 01:38, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: For one: I've never used 2 or more networkcards for the same net on the same PC before (I use a hubcheapefficient) but I don't think it poses a problem. They should be connected with a crossover cable (comparable to a nul modem serial cable) otherwise you're going to get nowhere!! You're not using straight through cat5, right? The cable package says Belkin FastCAT5e Network Cable, with RJ45 male connectors on each end. Are you saying that I have to switch a couple wires on one end of these cables? Both the kids PC's are configured using static IP (11 12) so you should setup the connected nics accordinglyi.e. ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1 up and what'll happen when you ifconfig eth2 192.16.0.1 up..Don't know??? Maybe you could use a diferent subnet there like 192.168.1. and rename one of the 2 kids 192.168.1.11 and bridge the two nics...that I know howto, keep it for later:) OK, I changed the ip numbers, did the `ifconfig ethx 192.168.x.x up' thing, and now the route works: Kernel IP routing table (on behne.us) Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 67.21.58.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 192.168.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth2 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 127.0.0.0* 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo default va-staff-u1-c3f 0.0.0.0 UG0 0 0 eth0 And pings now work to both hosts from the server: ping -c1 jackie ; ping -c1 jennifer PING jackie.behne.us (192.168.2.22) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from jackie.behne.us (192.168.2.22): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.122 ms --- jackie.behne.us ping statistics --- 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.122/0.122/0.122/0.000 ms PING jennifer.behne.us (192.168.1.11) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from jennifer.behne.us (192.168.1.11): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.119 ms ...and that's odd, since host jennifer is a Windblows box not properly configured yet. (I keep getting the error message `network cable unplugged' --- and no clue, since it is plugged in.) Host jackie (MDK 9.1) can ping the server and gets responses just fine, but nothing else works yet. I tried a browser to http://behne.us (which should work within my localnet,) but it gets a `can't connect' message. -- Mit freundlichen Gren, Russ. Visit my nursery: http://www.angelfire.com/linux/behnesnursery/ The Behne Family Genealogy Project: http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/rwbehne/ Should we continue to trust Bush as our leader? Read this, then you decide: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4636.shtml --=[Russell's Quotes 1]=-- Never spare the parson's wine, nor the baker's pudding. =[Russell's Quotes 2]= He that goes far to marry, will either deceive or be deceived. --- http://www.TruthAboutWar.org What is freedom, really? See this great flash presentation: http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
On Saturday 30 October 2004 09:17 pm, Russell W. Behne wrote: Oct 20 at 01:38, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: For one: I've never used 2 or more networkcards for the same net on the same PC before (I use a hubcheapefficient) but I don't think it poses a problem. They should be connected with a crossover cable (comparable to a nul modem serial cable) otherwise you're going to get nowhere!! You're not using straight through cat5, right? The cable package says Belkin FastCAT5e Network Cable, with RJ45 male connectors on each end. Are you saying that I have to switch a couple wires on one end of these cables? Yep, you need a crossover cable. The crossing is taken care of when you use a hub or a switch, but when you connect two devices directly, you need to cross over the send line from one box to the receive line of the other. If you look at the ends of the standard ethernet cable, you should see a pattern something like this. **end1****end2** orange stripe -- orange stripe orange solid -- orange solid green stripe -- green stripe blue solid -- blue solid blue stripe-- blue stripe green solid-- green solid brown stripe -- brown stripe brown solid-- brown solid A crossover looks like this: **end1****end2** orange stripe -- green stripe orange solid -- green solid green stripe -- orange stripe blue solid -- blue solid blue stripe-- blue stripe green solid-- orange solid brown stripe -- brown stripe brown solid-- brown solid blue and brown are not used in the ethernet setup, so you can ignore them. You can buy them or make them yourself if you have a crimper, or know of someone that does. Or, the simplest route is just to buy a simple four port switch and be done with it. ...and that's odd, since host jennifer is a Windblows box not properly configured yet. (I keep getting the error message `network cable unplugged' --- and no clue, since it is plugged in.) Host jackie (MDK 9.1) can ping the server and gets responses just fine, but nothing else works yet. I tried a browser to http://behne.us (which should work within my localnet,) but it gets a `can't connect' message. It thinks the cable is unplugged because it's listen end is plugged into the listen end of the other machine instead of the send end. Kind of like having two people on the phone with no one talking. Both callers can't tell if there is someone on the other end of the line. The crossover cables will solve this problem -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
On Saturday 30 October 2004 11:00 pm, Russell W. Behne wrote: Thanks for the info on the crossover cable/hub, Greg. One or two last questions, about how much do hubs run? What's the cheapest I can expect? A simple 4-5 port switch (switch is better than hub) should run you $20-$30 US. One with a router in it that will conect your home net to DSL or cable modem is going to be more like $40. With what I know the cost of crossover cables are at most retailers, your cheapest option is the hardware. All the crossing over will happen in the switch. You don't say where you are located, but a great place in the US for this kind of stuff is newegg.com. Great service and very reasonable prices. -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Home network help needed
Oct 19 at 23:20, Greg Meyer wrote: A simple 4-5 port switch (switch is better than hub) should run you $20-$30 US. What's the actual difference between a hub and switch? As you can probably guess, I'll only want the most bare-bones one that connects the two hosts directly to my server, and let my server be the default route for the hosts. One with a router in it that will connect your home net to DSL or cable modem is going to be more like $40. I'll avoid ones with a router. I'd rather use my Linux box and its firewall as I am now, and just add the network so that all the kid's tcp/ip frames pass through here. With what I know the cost of crossover cables are at most retailers, your cheapest option is the hardware. All the crossing over will happen in the switch. You don't say where you are located, but a great place in the US for this kind of stuff is newegg.com. Great service and very reasonable prices. I'm in Stafford Virginia. I'll check out newegg.com to see what I can learn. Thanks! -- Mit freundlichen Gren, Russ. Visit my nursery: http://www.angelfire.com/linux/behnesnursery/ The Behne Family Genealogy Project: http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/rwbehne/ Should we continue to trust Bush as our leader? Read this, then you decide: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4636.shtml --=[Russell's Quotes 1]=-- Marry above thy match, and thou 'lt get a master. =[Russell's Quotes 2]= Benjamin Franklin made clear the ultimate intended result of America's experiment in liberty, when he said, God grant that not only the love of liberty but a thorough knowledge of the rights of man may pervade all the nations of the earth, so that a philosopher may set his foot anywhere on its surface and say: This is my country. As wereflect on the political developments of the day, we shouldtake a moment to reflect on how far we are from that goal, and ask how new life can be brought to that ideal which America was intended to embody. --- http://www.TruthAboutWar.org What is freedom, really? See this great flash presentation: http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Home network help needed
I want to network 2 computers off of my host. (One for each of my kids.) Right now both new boxes are windows only. I have a couple old hard drives that I will install, one in each box, to use for Linux. I want: 1. Both computers to be able to dual boot using lilo, Linux as default, with a super-bare-bones Linux install, (See #3.) 2. Use static IP addresses for all 3 machines, 127.0.0.1 for mine, 127.0.0.11 for the first dual-boot machine, and 127.0.0.12 for the second. 3. Linux to boot its files systems from my host over the network, so on upgrades upgrading the main box will update all 3. 4. A common password system, where all passwords are maintained on the main box. 5. Each of the 2 boxes will have it's own /home/$user directory (to save space on the server), the main box will have all other user directories in its /home, and /home appears identical on all 3 boxes, so one can login on any machine. 6. Set up things to that the 2 kid's boxes have a `time window' when they can be connected to the Internet, (not 24/7.) 7. Limit instant messaging, as above, to certain times of the day, and set a quota of how long per day they can use IM. 8. Keep a watchfull eye on what they're doing, and what they're viewing. How do I accomplish all this, in what order? Exactly which howtos can help? I don't even know where to begin! -- Mit freundlichen Gren, Russ. Visit my nursery: http://www.angelfire.com/linux/behnesnursery/ The Behne Family Genealogy Project: http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/rwbehne/ Should we continue to trust Bush as our leader? Read this, then you decide: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4636.shtml --=[Russell's Quotes 1]=-- After crosses and losses, men grow humbler and wiser. =[Russell's Quotes 2]= ``Christianity...[has become] the most perverted system that ever shone on manRogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.'' --Thomas Jefferson (Third president of the United States.) --- http://www.TruthAboutWar.org What is freedom, really? See this great flash presentation: http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: about cables Re: [newbie] home network Mandrake howto
On Saturday 15 Nov 2003 4:22 pm, Anguo wrote: Right now, I am trying to figure out what kind of cables and hardware I have. The setup is temporary and the primary purpose is to setup/upgrade my friend's computer via internet and transfer some big files from my computer. It is also a learning experience for a more permanent setup in the near future. I have borrowed some hardware. I also struggle a bit with the terminology. As always I'll put complementary information on the wiki. I have a D-Link Ethernet Broadband Router. A router is only a small box, and its fonctions are limited while a hub can be a whole computer serving as a dedicated server, right? No. See below. I have two cables. A short one, over a meter in length and a long one, 20+ meters. If I understand well, we have two kinds of cable (looking both at the link above and your email): 1- special 'Twisted Pair Crossover' cable/ cross-over ethernet lead 2- 'Cat 5' 'twisted pair' (UTP) cables / straight-through lead Both use the same RJ45 connectors. I am not sure about the UTP and Cat 5 bit: both have that written on them. Do that mean that they are not crossover cables? No. UTP is Unshielded Twisted Pair ie there is no overall braided screen around it, and pairs of wires are twisted together. CAT5 is an international standard for network wiring. Don't worry about either of them. Doing your test, this is what I notice: For the short cable, I see the same colored cables at the two ends, but the order is not the same: orange-blue-green-red vs green-blue-orange-red (actually the same but the other way round and with some transposition.) For the long cable, the order of the colors are the same at both ends. I would agree with you: the short wire is a cross-over, the long one is straight-through. For the sake of completeness, which part of the information written on the cable is relevant? The short one reads: E195773 (UL) CM 75oC EMC Cat 5E UTP 4 PAIR 24 AWG HYPER-PLUS PS-NEXT VERIFIED TO ISO/IEC 11801 004283M The long one reads: ENHANCED CABLE CAT.5E UTP TYPE CM 24AWG 75oC S.C.E. 114481 CMG ETL VERIFIED EIA/TIA-568A SHYARO CHI None of it. It all refers to the type of cable, not how it's connected. From all this, I don't know what conclusion to take. In the case of someone buying the stuff in a supply shop, what exactly should be written on the box, for both types of cables? Normal patch cables are straight-through. Cross-over cables should be clearly marked as such. Hmmm... again, what's the difference between a hub and a router (if any)? A hub is a very simple box that basically joins all the wires up together. (It's a bit more complex than that, of course.) So with four machines A,B,C and D on the network only one of them can talk at any one time. A switch is very similar to a hub, but allows simultaneous conversations to happen at the same time, so A can talk to B while C is talking to D. But you can still only have one machine on each port. Also called a switched hub. A router is an altogether more complex device that understands the protocols and decides where they need to go. So if one port leads to another network then the router only sends traffic out of that port if it needs to go there. In your case the traffic between your two machines would stay in your network, but both machines could talk to the Internet. Many broad-band routers have built-in firewalls. (A firewall filters the traffic going through it and only permits traffic that meets certain criteria. A good initial set-up is to allow all outgoing traffic, and no incoming traffic. That will not be sufficient if you need to run a mail server etc., and it stops some instant messanger functionality, but it is fairly safe.) Would my D-link box I mentionned qualify? Yes. It stands to logic that beside the adsl cable that would connect in the WAN slot of the router, I would need two length of straight-through cables. Not necessarily. A lot of switches and routers these days have logic in them that can correct a crossed-over cable. Check the manual. If so then you can use the cables that you have. From a quick browse on the D-Link website... If your router is a D-Link 502G then it would be better to use the cross-over cable between the computers. It only has one ethernet port and one USB port. Although you can use both to access the Internet it doesn't say that the two machines can talk to each other. All other routers mentioned on that site have at least four ethernet ports. I have just checked the 604's manual and it doesn't say that it handles cross-over cables. You could just try it and see, or an ethernet patch cable is cheap. Since this is a quick hack, I would prefer to use the router if possible. Using the cross-over cable between the machines means that you have to configure your machine to pass-through traffic to your friends machine. Webmin might make that easy, but
Re: [newbie] home network Mandrake howto
On Friday 14 November 2003 12:48 am, Anguo wrote: On Friday 14 Nov 2003 12:57 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Thursday 13 November 2003 11:33 pm, Anguo wrote: Hello, I have not been able to find a simple step by step howto for home networking. So far, I have absolutely no experience in networking, or any IP address stuff. This is older, but might be helpful http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/connect/index.html#lfs Thanks a lot, Greg! That's just what I was looking for. I am reading it right now and I'll see if I have further questions later. I have updated the following page accordingly: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/HomeNetworking That page I sent you to was from an oldish website maintained by Tom Berger. Mandrake brought Tom in to the fold a few years ago and then he disappeared without a trace sometime in 2002. I know it was part of the original plan for the Twiki that a lot of his old documentation be folded in eventually, maybe this could be the start of that process. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] home network Mandrake howto
Hello, I have not been able to find a simple step by step howto for home networking. So far, I have absolutely no experience in networking, or any IP address stuff. Right now, I have a friend's computer at home and I would like 1- to share the internet connection with my own computer's adsl. 2- be able to do file transfer from one computer to the other. To start with, I am not sure I have all the required hardware: I don't have a hub or (obviously) a dedicated server. My computer has two ethernet cards, one being connected to my adsl modem. My friend's computer also has an ethernet card. What I did is connect my second ethernet card to the second computer's card directly, with a cable running from one card to the other. I am not sure that's the proper way to do it... all the beautiful graphs I find on the internet picture little box, whatever it's called, that sits between the two computers. I don't have that and I don't know if it is possible to connect the two computers the way I did. Next, I tried to run the configuration wizard in MCC on both computers, on mine to share the internet connection, and on my friend computer to set a LAN connection, but so far no good. I am not sure what I am missing and I can't find a mandrake specific step by step howto. I created this page here: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/HomeNetworking You can write your reply directly there, so that other can benefit from your answers, or to the list and I'll put everything there afterwards. thanks Augustin -- Linux. The Future is Open. If Linux were a person, he would be growing, fast. Taught by the best. Gaining wisdom beyond his years. And sharing. He would be in business, education, government and homes. He would be a nine-year-old boy changing the world. IBM about Linux http://www-3.ibm.com/e-business/doc/content/lp/prodigy.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] home network Mandrake howto
On Thursday 13 November 2003 11:33 pm, Anguo wrote: Hello, I have not been able to find a simple step by step howto for home networking. So far, I have absolutely no experience in networking, or any IP address stuff. This is older, but might be helpful http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/connect/index.html#lfs Right now, I have a friend's computer at home and I would like 1- to share the internet connection with my own computer's adsl. 2- be able to do file transfer from one computer to the other. To start with, I am not sure I have all the required hardware: I don't have a hub or (obviously) a dedicated server. My computer has two ethernet cards, one being connected to my adsl modem. My friend's computer also has an ethernet card. What I did is connect my second ethernet card to the second computer's card directly, with a cable running from one card to the other. I am not sure that's the proper way to do it... all the beautiful graphs I find on the internet picture little box, whatever it's called, that sits between the two computers. I don't have that and I don't know if it is possible to connect the two computers the way I did. Next, I tried to run the configuration wizard in MCC on both computers, on mine to share the internet connection, and on my friend computer to set a LAN connection, but so far no good. I am not sure what I am missing and I can't find a mandrake specific step by step howto. I created this page here: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/HomeNetworking You can write your reply directly there, so that other can benefit from your answers, or to the list and I'll put everything there afterwards. thanks Augustin -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Home network - printing
OK, this is a pre-emptive "howto" question. Meaning I haven't tried it at all, but wanted to gather knowledge first and experience afterward. It goes against every ounce of testosterone in my body, of course, because it is tantamount to reading the manual, but I'm willing to cope with the fallout of that choice. Environment: Home network (linksys DSL router if it matters) "main" PC is a Win2k workstation box that is sharing printers and drives "laptop" is running Mandrake 9.1 printers are a Samsung ML-1430 laser and an HP Photosmart 1115 I would like to connect from the laptop to the printers and print. Nothing special, just print out emails, Office.org documents, etc. I will take my answers in teh form of "go read this HOWTO" or "xxx application is the key grasshopper - go there and seek knowledge further", or even cryptic anagrams which contain web links to the answer. Thanks in advance Leon Adato---email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: (440) 542-9659fax: (305) 832-2818
Re: [newbie] Home network - printing
On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 10:57, Leon Adato wrote: OK, this is a pre-emptive howto question. Meaning I haven't tried it at all, but wanted to gather knowledge first and experience afterward. It goes against every ounce of testosterone in my body, of course, because it is tantamount to reading the manual, but I'm willing to cope with the fallout of that choice. Environment: Home network (linksys DSL router if it matters) main PC is a Win2k workstation box that is sharing printers and drives laptop is running Mandrake 9.1 printers are a Samsung ML-1430 laser and an HP Photosmart 1115 I would like to connect from the laptop to the printers and print. Nothing special, just print out emails, Office.org documents, etc. I will take my answers in teh form of go read this HOWTO or xxx application is the key grasshopper - go there and seek knowledge further, or even cryptic anagrams which contain web links to the answer. Thanks in advance Leon Adato I will assume that you have shared your printer in Windows. Open Mandrake Control Center-Hardware-Printers (or enter printerdrake in a root terminal). Click on Add a New Printer, select a Printer on SMB/Windows and follow instructions to connect to your network printer. -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //mobile: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / _/ \__\\ //__/ // fax : +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Home network - printing
On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 00:57, Leon Adato wrote: I will take my answers in teh form of go read this HOWTO or xxx application is the key grasshopper - go there and seek knowledge further, or even cryptic anagrams which contain web links to the answer. Thanks in advance Leon Adato Find out if either of the printers works under linux - www.cups.org You'll probably have to use the CUPS admin utility or Webmin to connect to the printer(s) if the Mandrake Control Centre doesn't pick them up and set them up initially. -- Mon Jun 9 09:00:01 EST 2003 09:00:01 up 1 day, 18:51, 3 users, load average: 0.07, 0.18, 0.09 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Your love life will be... interesting. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Home network - printing
Hello Leon, First, a word of warning. I'm a relative newbie, but I did do something similar to what you want. Experts - please correct my suggestions if need be. First thing I would suggest is to make an 'orig' copy of every .conf file!!! Especially smb.conf, the samba configuration file. You will be setting up samba to do the file sharing and printer sharing. I found the conf file to be helpful in understanding what the GUI configuration is changing. Running the GUI overwrites the conf file, and almost all the useful comments are lost! Sunday, June 8, 2003, 7:57:52 AM, you wrote: LA main PC is a Win2k workstation box that is sharing printers and LA drives laptop is running Mandrake 9.1 I saw a suggestion to install 'printer sharing for unix' in Win2000 and did it. It is on the Win2000 install disks. LA printers are a Samsung ML-1430 laser and an HP Photosmart 1115 I believe Samsung drivers are on the Mandrake disks. Whew. :-)) LA I will take my answers in teh form of go read this HOWTO or xxx LA application is the key grasshopper For samba, I had the best luck with webmin, not the MD control center. Open a console, 'su' to root, run webmin as root. Servers tab, Samba Win File Sharing. Set workgroup, name [in server description], use 'share level' security. Use encrypted passwords, enter the MD directory to share [probably /home/yourname]. Use MD control center to install the printer. Should have both file and printer sharing. In linux, other shares must be 'mounted' in order to use them. Run LinNeighborhood, browse to the comp you want, and mount the directories you need. These mount points will be in file:/mnt, and you can see them with konqueror. BTW - you might want to change your mailer to send replies to the list instead of you. HTH... -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] home network vision (kind of long)
- Original Message - From: BCSoft@TowerTraining [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Newbie@Linux-Mandrake. Com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: [newbie] home network vision (kind of long) Help, help, help Since downloading and installing ML 8.2 I have been bit by the Linux bug and now want to set up a home network. I ordered ML 9.0 from CheapBytes and have tried to install it on an old Hsing Tech motherboard with a Cyrex 686 processor and a BocaLAN 2000 network card. I apparently order the wrong kind of DRAM because only 65 meg of the 256 meg is recognized and the mouse only works sporadically. I'm serious about this network so I'm asking for suggestions. If I'm having trouble with the serial port on the motherboard then it seems unwise to try to upgrade the processor, buy the correct memory (if I can figure out what that is) and change the network card. I also think a 7 gig hd isn't enough for a server so I'm looking at something 20 gig or so. Of course, budget matters and also, I would like to make this a learning experience rather than buy a server box configured. The end result should be a server with and old HP printer connected to it (just in case) that is storing files for two Compaq Armada laptops, five Toshiba Satellite laptops and old iMac running System 8.6 and an even older Apple Workgroup Server that I use to run the ancient Mirror scanner. I don't care if the server is an internet gateway since I have a couple of 5 port hubs connected to the cable modem to allow internet access for multiple machines. I would, however, like to learn how to set up a mail server so that I can take advantage of the fact that I own a couple of domain names without paying someone like Hypermart 40 or 50 bucks a month. I also don't care about form factor. I can screw the motherboard right to the wall in my 'server closet', use the power supply from the tower case and string cables all over the walls if necessary. I just want the thing to work. So. Upgrade the processor or replace the motherboard? - Richard L. Babcock, Owner Tower Training At Tower Training, We Bring the Classroom to You! www.towertraining.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] home network vision (kind of long)
Scrap the motherboard. It isn't worth the time and effort if there is even one thing wrong with the board. If you shop around on the Web, you can still find someone selling AT/ATX boards that will fit your case and power supply, not to mention your processor and maybe the memory you bought for the old one. If you live in an area where you have a computer shop, check with them for any old boards that work, but are no longer of interest to them. For $25 or less, you might find the perfect solution to your needs. If you are going to put money into this box, seriously conside buying a new box, maybe without the monitor, keyboard, etc. for a couple of hundred dollars. As long as you find that the components are Linux compatible, you will have a much better server this way than what you would have sticking with what you got now. The advice that everyone else is giving you is good advice. However, if you are working on a tight budget and your needs/expectations are meager, I would suggest that you buy a new box for the most that you can afford and spend your time configuring the software. Nothing is more frustrating than wasting good money on bad hardware. Even a local computer shop could build you a barebones box for the money you would spend on memory, hard drive and processor upgrades. I am curious... If you have hubs connected to your cable modem, one must be a gateway/IP forwarding unit, with the others feeding off of it. Unless you are paying for multiple IPs through your cable modem service provider, as soon as the second machine comes on line, it will be denied access to the Web. Most cable modem service providers will not serve two boxes or more without paying for the privilege. I went through this here, and found that the best option for protection and network service was to let the Linksys gateway/firewall/switch do all the DHCP and IP forwarding to all my network clients. I never have to worry about the server being up to serf the Web. Is this what you are doing now? If so, I wouldn't put another NIC in the server...let the harware gateway/firewall do the work. My opinion based on what works for me and my clients. But, you do have some decisions to make before you can worry about that. T - Original Message - From: BCSoft@TowerTraining [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Newbie@Linux-Mandrake. Com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: [newbie] home network vision (kind of long) Help, help, help Since downloading and installing ML 8.2 I have been bit by the Linux bug and now want to set up a home network. I ordered ML 9.0 from CheapBytes and have tried to install it on an old Hsing Tech motherboard with a Cyrex 686 processor and a BocaLAN 2000 network card. I apparently order the wrong kind of DRAM because only 65 meg of the 256 meg is recognized and the mouse only works sporadically. I'm serious about this network so I'm asking for suggestions. If I'm having trouble with the serial port on the motherboard then it seems unwise to try to upgrade the processor, buy the correct memory (if I can figure out what that is) and change the network card. I also think a 7 gig hd isn't enough for a server so I'm looking at something 20 gig or so. Of course, budget matters and also, I would like to make this a learning experience rather than buy a server box configured. The end result should be a server with and old HP printer connected to it (just in case) that is storing files for two Compaq Armada laptops, five Toshiba Satellite laptops and old iMac running System 8.6 and an even older Apple Workgroup Server that I use to run the ancient Mirror scanner. I don't care if the server is an internet gateway since I have a couple of 5 port hubs connected to the cable modem to allow internet access for multiple machines. I would, however, like to learn how to set up a mail server so that I can take advantage of the fact that I own a couple of domain names without paying someone like Hypermart 40 or 50 bucks a month. I also don't care about form factor. I can screw the motherboard right to the wall in my 'server closet', use the power supply from the tower case and string cables all over the walls if necessary. I just want the thing to work. So. Upgrade the processor or replace the motherboard? - Richard L. Babcock, Owner Tower Training At Tower Training, We Bring the Classroom to You! www.towertraining.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] home network vision (kind of long)
Help, help, help Since downloading and installing ML 8.2 I have been bit by the Linux bug and now want to set up a home network. I ordered ML 9.0 from CheapBytes and have tried to install it on an old Hsing Tech motherboard with a Cyrex 686 processor and a BocaLAN 2000 network card. I apparently order the wrong kind of DRAM because only 65 meg of the 256 meg is recognized and the mouse only works sporadically. I'm serious about this network so I'm asking for suggestions. If I'm having trouble with the serial port on the motherboard then it seems unwise to try to upgrade the processor, buy the correct memory (if I can figure out what that is) and change the network card. I also think a 7 gig hd isn't enough for a server so I'm looking at something 20 gig or so. Of course, budget matters and also, I would like to make this a learning experience rather than buy a server box configured. The end result should be a server with and old HP printer connected to it (just in case) that is storing files for two Compaq Armada laptops, five Toshiba Satellite laptops and old iMac running System 8.6 and an even older Apple Workgroup Server that I use to run the ancient Mirror scanner. I don't care if the server is an internet gateway since I have a couple of 5 port hubs connected to the cable modem to allow internet access for multiple machines. I would, however, like to learn how to set up a mail server so that I can take advantage of the fact that I own a couple of domain names without paying someone like Hypermart 40 or 50 bucks a month. I also don't care about form factor. I can screw the motherboard right to the wall in my 'server closet', use the power supply from the tower case and string cables all over the walls if necessary. I just want the thing to work. So. Upgrade the processor or replace the motherboard? - Richard L. Babcock, Owner Tower Training At Tower Training, We Bring the Classroom to You! www.towertraining.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] home network vision (kind of long)
Richard; Before deciding what to do with your server, start by asking yourself if you plan on using it for quite a while, and whether or not it will become an important piece of your network. Slapping a server together out of spare parts and setting it up as a learning experience is always a good thing, but if you plan on relying on that server for storing important data, Internet gateway, FTP site, web-site, email, etc., then it makes good sense to invest some money into a reliable piece of equipment. Once you know the answer to these questions, you'll know how much money to invest in the server. By the way, sounds like your motherboard is NFG, and don't consider running a server on a Cyrix CPU, unless it's only for fun. Assuming that you've got some additional PC's connected to your network, consider using one of the more powerful ones as your server, and replacing that PC with something better. As an example, a PII-350 with 512 Mb of Ram, and a 10Gb drive to run the server, should do pretty good, as long as you install a second hard drive for storage purposes. If you install a CD burner in the server, then all the systems on your network should be able to share it via webmin, or Samba, allowing everyone in the house to burn CD's without disturbing anyone else. I haven't heard of a cablemodem that allows you to plug a hub into it, but the easiest way to solve any issues with that, would be to install 2 network cards in the server - one for the cablemodem, and one to the hub for the rest of your network. Get started with that and get back to the list. Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 10/11/2002 at 3:45 PM BCSoftTowerTraining wrote: Help, help, help Since downloading and installing ML 8.2 I have been bit by the Linux bug and now want to set up a home network. I ordered ML 9.0 from CheapBytes and have tried to install it on an old Hsing Tech motherboard with a Cyrex 686 processor and a BocaLAN 2000 network card. I apparently order the wrong kind of DRAM because only 65 meg of the 256 meg is recognized and the mouse only works sporadically. I'm serious about this network so I'm asking for suggestions. If I'm having trouble with the serial port on the motherboard then it seems unwise to try to upgrade the processor, buy the correct memory (if I can figure out what that is) and change the network card. I also think a 7 gig hd isn't enough for a server so I'm looking at something 20 gig or so. Of course, budget matters and also, I would like to make this a learning experience rather than buy a server box configured. The end result should be a server with and old HP printer connected to it (just in case) that is storing files for two Compaq Armada laptops, five Toshiba Satellite laptops and old iMac running System 8.6 and an even older Apple Workgroup Server that I use to run the ancient Mirror scanner. I don't care if the server is an internet gateway since I have a couple of 5 port hubs connected to the cable modem to allow internet access for multiple machines. I would, however, like to learn how to set up a mail server so that I can take advantage of the fact that I own a couple of domain names without paying someone like Hypermart 40 or 50 bucks a month. I also don't care about form factor. I can screw the motherboard right to the wall in my 'server closet', use the power supply from the tower case and string cables all over the walls if necessary. I just want the thing to work. So. Upgrade the processor or replace the motherboard? - Richard L. Babcock, Owner Tower Training At Tower Training, We Bring the Classroom to You! www.towertraining.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] home network vision (kind of long)
Correct memory should only be an issue with a really old mobo - these days it's just a choice between SDRAM (Athlons, Celerons and Pentiums I-III) and DDRAM (Pentium IV, which you obviously don't have). It's possible that you have a duff RAM chip. Otherwise go for a lower speed RAM or get a new mobo. How big a hard-disk you need for a server depends on what you're serving. 7GB sounds OK for most purposes, but if you have a humungous website or something to show the world (or your other computers) then obviously you'll need to upgrade. Sir Robin BCSoftTowerTraining wrote: Help, help, help Since downloading and installing ML 8.2 I have been bit by the Linux bug and now want to set up a home network. I ordered ML 9.0 from CheapBytes and have tried to install it on an old Hsing Tech motherboard with a Cyrex 686 processor and a BocaLAN 2000 network card. I apparently order the wrong kind of DRAM because only 65 meg of the 256 meg is recognized and the mouse only works sporadically. I'm serious about this network so I'm asking for suggestions. If I'm having trouble with the serial port on the motherboard then it seems unwise to try to upgrade the processor, buy the correct memory (if I can figure out what that is) and change the network card. I also think a 7 gig hd isn't enough for a server so I'm looking at something 20 gig or so. Of course, budget matters and also, I would like to make this a learning experience rather than buy a server box configured. The end result should be a server with and old HP printer connected to it (just in case) that is storing files for two Compaq Armada laptops, five Toshiba Satellite laptops and old iMac running System 8.6 and an even older Apple Workgroup Server that I use to run the ancient Mirror scanner. I don't care if the server is an internet gateway since I have a couple of 5 port hubs connected to the cable modem to allow internet access for multiple machines. I would, however, like to learn how to set up a mail server so that I can take advantage of the fact that I own a couple of domain names without paying someone like Hypermart 40 or 50 bucks a month. I also don't care about form factor. I can screw the motherboard right to the wall in my 'server closet', use the power supply from the tower case and string cables all over the walls if necessary. I just want the thing to work. So. Upgrade the processor or replace the motherboard? - Richard L. Babcock, Owner Tower Training At Tower Training, We Bring the Classroom to You! www.towertraining.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- A free man ought not to learn anything under duress. Compulsory physical exercise does no harm to the body, but compulsory learning never sticks in the mind. - Plato Robin Turner IDMYO, Bilkent University Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] home network vision (kind of long)
A board that old will more than likely require 72 pin SIMMs that MUST be installed in pairs. Either the remaining memory is DIMM or it isn't installed in pairs. Is the 64MB in there now installed as 2 32MBs or 1 64MB? If it's 2 32MBs then the board takes SIMMs. Also do you know how much memory the board supports? I imagine it must be more than 64MB but that's something else to look into (I have an old P90 and it supports up to 512MB so I imagine your board is somewhere in that range.) Hope that helps Ryan = Original Message From BCSoft@TowerTraining [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Help, help, help Since downloading and installing ML 8.2 I have been bit by the Linux bug and now want to set up a home network. I ordered ML 9.0 from CheapBytes and have tried to install it on an old Hsing Tech motherboard with a Cyrex 686 processor and a BocaLAN 2000 network card. I apparently order the wrong kind of DRAM because only 65 meg of the 256 meg is recognized and the mouse only works sporadically. I'm serious about this network so I'm asking for suggestions. If I'm having trouble with the serial port on the motherboard then it seems unwise to try to upgrade the processor, buy the correct memory (if I can figure out what that is) and change the network card. I also think a 7 gig hd isn't enough for a server so I'm looking at something 20 gig or so. Of course, budget matters and also, I would like to make this a learning experience rather than buy a server box configured. The end result should be a server with and old HP printer connected to it (just in case) that is storing files for two Compaq Armada laptops, five Toshiba Satellite laptops and old iMac running System 8.6 and an even older Apple Workgroup Server that I use to run the ancient Mirror scanner. I don't care if the server is an internet gateway since I have a couple of 5 port hubs connected to the cable modem to allow internet access for multiple machines. I would, however, like to learn how to set up a mail server so that I can take advantage of the fact that I own a couple of domain names without paying someone like Hypermart 40 or 50 bucks a month. I also don't care about form factor. I can screw the motherboard right to the wall in my 'server closet', use the power supply from the tower case and string cables all over the walls if necessary. I just want the thing to work. So. Upgrade the processor or replace the motherboard? - Richard L. Babcock, Owner Tower Training At Tower Training, We Bring the Classroom to You! www.towertraining.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Home Network Problems
Hi, OK my home net, at the moment is as below: CableModem-XP PC--Linux PC Now I have some questions: 1. I have Internet Connection Sharing on the XP box, this doles out an IP to the Linux box via DHCP. I can browse from the Linux box, read news, email and ftp no problems. However when I try and use Gnomemeeting to the XP box I get a load of DNS queries coming from the Linux box, directed to the XP box, which it reckons is a DNS server, trying to find out who has the name of the linux box. It then tries to open the connection to the XP box, it sends the out TCP packets and the Q.931 SETUP packet. Netmeeting however does not respond. 2. I also have a problem when trying to configure samba via the browser, it comes back telling me connection to localhost is broken, anyone know how to cure that one ? 3. Is it a good idea to update the /etc/hosts file from the dhcp reply with the name/address doled out ? This would stop the DNS queries as the host would be fully resolved in the /etc/hosts file. Thanks for any help. Richard. PS Soon WiFi will be installed to replace the XP box as the NAT. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Home Network: What's Next?
To everyone- Goal: -I want to convert my Win2k ICS network to a Mandrake 8.1 Network -I want Printer and Drive sharing for all -I want Internet access for all -I want a firewall -I want a webserver Problem: -I don't know how to get my network and internet setup with Mandrake 8.1 for other drives and PCs on the network. Specs: -I have a PIII 500 Intel box dual booted win Win2K and Mandrake 8.1 as my server. -I have a Motorola Surfboard USB Cable Modem installed and working-connected to server. -I have 2 laptops and an AMD 1.4ghz on the network. -My old network had all these PCs, printers, and drives, shared and working fine through an Ethernet/USB hubs and Orinoco RG for the laptop I don't know what my next step is. I need to know about IP Masquerading, firewall, IP tables (chains), and I have to be able to have the server drives accessible by all of the above PCs, as I have a lot of storage on the server (80GB). What do I do? Thanks. -Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Home network Samba question
There is one problem they will both be fighting for browse master so on one set the wins support = no wins server = ip of other smb server Brandon Caudle -- 15yr Old Avid Unix User (HP-UX,FreeBSD,Linux) Larkhaven Golf Course Charlotte, NC There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full. -- Henry Kissinger From: Michael Picco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael D. Viron [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Linux Mandrake Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Home network Samba question Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:59:41 -0700 Michael D. Viron wrote: One question that keeps nagging at me and impedes my understanding is: Will the box that is acting as a gateway have a specific gateway IP address in addition to the address I've already given it? Yes. All Gateways have at least 2 IPs (sometimes more depending on how many networks they connect to). On the internal interface, you need to statically assign 192.168.1.1 That's what it is set to at the moment. What would be a correct setting for the 'gateway' IP, knowing the internet is accessed via a dialup connection? The Samba question is: In order for both Linux boxes to be seen by the Win9x boxes, my understanding is that both Linux boxes must be running Samba. IF this is correct, should one Samba box be set up as the 'Samba server' and the other be set up as the 'Samba client'? Nope, both machines must be running as samba servers. The Samba client is for connecting via smb to an existing samba (smb) server. Is there any inherent problem with having two Samba servers on a single LAN? Will there be any conflicts? Thanks, Michael Michael -- Michael Viron Registered Linux User #81978 Senior Systems Administration Consultant Web Spinners, University of West Florida _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Home network Samba question
Michael D. Viron wrote: One question that keeps nagging at me and impedes my understanding is: Will the box that is acting as a gateway have a specific gateway IP address in addition to the address I've already given it? Yes. All Gateways have at least 2 IPs (sometimes more depending on how many networks they connect to). On the internal interface, you need to statically assign 192.168.1.1 That's what it is set to at the moment. What would be a correct setting for the 'gateway' IP, knowing the internet is accessed via a dialup connection? The Samba question is: In order for both Linux boxes to be seen by the Win9x boxes, my understanding is that both Linux boxes must be running Samba. IF this is correct, should one Samba box be set up as the 'Samba server' and the other be set up as the 'Samba client'? Nope, both machines must be running as samba servers. The Samba client is for connecting via smb to an existing samba (smb) server. Is there any inherent problem with having two Samba servers on a single LAN? Will there be any conflicts? Thanks, Michael Michael -- Michael Viron Registered Linux User #81978 Senior Systems Administration Consultant Web Spinners, University of West Florida
RE: [newbie] Home network Samba question
Michael D. Viron wrote: One question that keeps nagging at me and impedes my understanding is: Will the box that is acting as a gateway have a specific gateway IP address in addition to the address I've already given it? Yes. All Gateways have at least 2 IPs (sometimes more depending on how many networks they connect to). On the internal interface, you need to statically assign 192.168.1.1 That's what it is set to at the moment. What would be a correct setting for the 'gateway' IP, knowing the internet is accessed via a dialup connection? --- If you are NOT using DHCP your OTHER machines (the one's without the modem/connection) will use the IP address of your internet connected machine's ethernet card as the gateway. I.E. 192.168.1.1 as Michael indicated. The internet connected machine is it's own gateway to the internet, so do not give it an explicit gateway address. If you've set the following ppp options... noipdefault defaultroute a ppp connection will automatically establish itself to 1) have no default IP, but instead use that assigned by the ISP, 2) use the modem connection as a default route to the internet... The Samba question is: In order for both Linux boxes to be seen by the Win9x boxes, my understanding is that both Linux boxes must be running Samba. IF this is correct, should one Samba box be set up as the 'Samba server' and the other be set up as the 'Samba client'? Nope, both machines must be running as samba servers. The Samba client is for connecting via smb to an existing samba (smb) server. Is there any inherent problem with having two Samba servers on a single LAN? Will there be any conflicts? --- No. I've set up 20 Samba servers on a single LAN... Although you should set up the unit likely to remain up the longest, as the browse master. This permits it to maintain the list of available shares in both winblows and Samba.. I normally kick up the os level of the browse master from 33 to 34 to insure that it wins the elections... You might also consider utilizing DOMAIN logins so that your Winblows machines need only use one login to access all the Samba resources... -JMS
Re: [newbie] Home network Samba question
On Sunday 12 August 2001 21:31, Michael Picco wrote: Having just switched a pair of boxes from Mandrake 7.1 to 8.0, I've had my run of problems getting things working again. The setup here consists of four machines: Win98, Win95 and two Mandrake 8.0. They are all connected via a four-port hub as a local LAN. One of the Mandrake boxes has a modem hanging off of a serial port, which I hope to set up as the gateway box. Each box has an assigned IP address of the order: 192.168.1.x One question that keeps nagging at me and impedes my understanding is: Will the box that is acting as a gateway have a specific gateway IP address in addition to the address I've already given it? No, the IP u gave is fine. Also consider setting up SNF as your gateway, ie, Mandrakes Single Network Firewall. Look for it on Madrakes Products web page. Its a much securer option and it was made to fullfil that function. The Samba question is: In order for both Linux boxes to be seen by the Win9x boxes, my understanding is that both Linux boxes must be running Samba. IF this is correct, should one Samba box be set up as the 'Samba server' and the other be set up as the 'Samba client'? No, both should be running Samba server. Peace Amien Salie
[newbie] Home network problems
I am attempting to network a Mandrake 7.0 (as server) with a Win98. When the Win98 trys to conect I get the following message in var/log/messages: dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 24.163.154.74 from 00:50:ba:43:c7:aa via eth1: ignored (not authoritative) What do I need to do to make it authoritative if that's what it needs. Dana
[newbie] Home Network
Can anyone recommend a system I can use like Intel's Anypoint to connect my Linux and Windoze machines over my home telphone wiring?
Re: [newbie] Home Network
Isnt that whats SAMBA is for? I think hehe - Original Message - From: Mike Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 8:20 PM Subject: [newbie] Home Network Can anyone recommend a system I can use like Intel's Anypoint to connect my Linux and Windoze machines over my home telphone wiring? _ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
