[newbie] Linux Ghost
Does anyone know of a free Linux program that is like Nortan Ghost, and bootable from either a Floppy or CD? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Linux riskier than Windows study says
Ahh, another study funded by MS thats only purpose seems to be to cause FUD. Linux riskier than Windows? Companies face greater risks if they run their Web sites on Linux rather than Windows, a Microsoft-funded study has concluded. http://ct.zdnet.com.com/clicks?c=90480-571387brand=zdnetds=5 -- Chris Registered Linux User 283774 http://counter.li.org 21:00:51 up 10 days, 1:35, 2 users, load average: 0.70, 0.71, 0.54 Mandrake Linux 10.1 Official, kernel 2.6.8.1-12mdk Obviously your filters are throwing away mail from Randal. :-) -- Larry Wall in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux riskier than Windows study says
On Thursday 24 Mar 2005 03:03, Chris wrote: Ahh, another study funded by MS thats only purpose seems to be to cause FUD. Linux riskier than Windows? Companies face greater risks if they run their Web sites on Linux rather than Windows, a Microsoft-funded study has concluded. http://ct.zdnet.com.com/clicks?c=90480-571387brand=zdnetds=5 Well they would say that wouldn't they? After all, it is the competition. They could say that about Macs but no doubt Apple would turn it around and use it to sell more things including an aadd like that... Elwyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux riskier than Windows study says
On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:28 pm, Elwyn wrote: On Thursday 24 Mar 2005 03:03, Chris wrote: Ahh, another study funded by MS thats only purpose seems to be to cause FUD. Linux riskier than Windows? Companies face greater risks if they run their Web sites on Linux rather than Windows, a Microsoft-funded study has concluded. http://ct.zdnet.com.com/clicks?c=90480-571387brand=zdnetds=5 Well they would say that wouldn't they? After all, it is the competition. They could say that about Macs but no doubt Apple would turn it around and use it to sell more things including an aadd like that... I can just see the ad bill gates and steve balmer dressed like clowns dissing linux. (all channel 24X7 for 3 months.cost them oh..probably the petty cash Elwyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux riskier than Windows study says
On Thursday 24 Mar 2005 03:38, Aron Smith wrote: On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:28 pm, Elwyn wrote: On Thursday 24 Mar 2005 03:03, Chris wrote: And I thought I was mad to be going to work this time in the morning, but I am, once again, mistaken :) Elwyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux riskier than Windows study says
On Wednesday 23 March 2005 09:40 pm, Elwyn wrote: On Thursday 24 Mar 2005 03:38, Aron Smith wrote: On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:28 pm, Elwyn wrote: On Thursday 24 Mar 2005 03:03, Chris wrote: And I thought I was mad to be going to work this time in the morning, but I am, once again, mistaken :) Elwyn Now that's odd, I originally wrote the msg at 21:03 on 23 March, must have gone through a wormhole or something to suddenly get 6hrs ahead, even my copy on the list shows 21:03. -- Chris Registered Linux User 283774 http://counter.li.org 22:03:11 up 10 days, 2:37, 1 user, load average: 0.42, 0.45, 0.44 Mandrake Linux 10.1 Official, kernel 2.6.8.1-12mdk kceee^ I hate users knghtbrd you sound like a sysadmin already! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux riskier than Windows study says
On Wednesday 23 March 2005 08:04 pm, Chris wrote: On Wednesday 23 March 2005 09:40 pm, Elwyn wrote: On Thursday 24 Mar 2005 03:38, Aron Smith wrote: On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:28 pm, Elwyn wrote: On Thursday 24 Mar 2005 03:03, Chris wrote: And I thought I was mad to be going to work this time in the morning, but I am, once again, mistaken :) Elwyn Now that's odd, I originally wrote the msg at 21:03 on 23 March, must have gone through a wormhole or something to suddenly get 6hrs ahead, even my copy on the list shows 21:03. interesting I have had a run of my system clock randomly switching time zones. Not lately tho Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
snipped it all since I only want to add my $.02USD.. one way to learn available commands at the text console is to use tab. (as someone pointed out, tab can be a good friend. just type a letter hit tab, and see all the commands that start with that letter (it is case sensitive and root gets more choices) -- linux counter #167806 (http://counter.li.org/) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
et wrote: snipped it all since I only want to add my $.02USD.. one way to learn available commands at the text console is to use tab. (as someone pointed out, tab can be a good friend. just type a letter hit tab, and see all the commands that start with that letter (it is case sensitive and root gets more choices) Try hitting tab-tab (tab twice) and see what you get. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
On Friday 18 March 2005 04:36 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: et wrote: snipped it all since I only want to add my $.02USD.. one way to learn available commands at the text console is to use tab. (as someone pointed out, tab can be a good friend. just type a letter hit tab, and see all the commands that start with that letter (it is case sensitive and root gets more choices) Try hitting tab-tab (tab twice) and see what you get. Hmm. I get (immediately) with the first tab: [EMAIL PROTECTED] darklord]$ Display all 2504 possibilities? (y or n) 2nd tab only gets a beep from my system speaker. I tried the tab-tab very fast, very slow and in between. Was something truly exciting supposed to happen and I missed it? :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:37:32 -0500 Julie Sloan disseminated the following: They started after you left :) Hey! You know why in Alabama they don't teach ...oops, wrong list. Sure sure sure - just like a woman. Lead us all on and then drop us like a hot tater. Oh okay :) ...sex educattion and drivers' education on the same day? Punchline? I'm betting it's the same reason as in Northern Ontario... -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 18:13:58 up 25 days, 20:18, 7 users, load average: 1.13, 1.19, 0.79 +++ Call on God, but row away from the rocks. -- Hunter S. Thompson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
On Sat, 2005-03-19 at 10:15, JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:37:32 -0500 Julie Sloan disseminated the following: They started after you left :) Hey! You know why in Alabama they don't teach ...oops, wrong list. Sure sure sure - just like a woman. Lead us all on and then drop us like a hot tater. Oh okay :) ...sex educattion and drivers' education on the same day? Punchline? I'm betting it's the same reason as in Northern Ontario... If you didn't get the punchline, Joe, I reckon it's time you, er, nevermind. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- When in doubt, do it. It's much easier to apologize than to get permission. -- Grace Murray Hopper Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
On Friday 18 March 2005 06:15 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:37:32 -0500 Julie Sloan disseminated the following: They started after you left :) Hey! You know why in Alabama they don't teach ...oops, wrong list. Sure sure sure - just like a woman. Lead us all on and then drop us like a hot tater. Oh okay :) ...sex educattion and drivers' education on the same day? Punchline? I'm betting it's the same reason as in Northern Ontario... Oh, I forgot all about this. Uh, okay, punchline: both classes need the mule -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
On Sat, 2005-03-19 at 10:49, Julie Sloan wrote: On Friday 18 March 2005 06:15 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:37:32 -0500 Julie Sloan disseminated the following: They started after you left :) Hey! You know why in Alabama they don't teach ...oops, wrong list. Sure sure sure - just like a woman. Lead us all on and then drop us like a hot tater. Oh okay :) ...sex educattion and drivers' education on the same day? Punchline? I'm betting it's the same reason as in Northern Ontario... Oh, I forgot all about this. Uh, okay, punchline: both classes need the mule Julie, we're dealing with JoeHill here. THAT in itself would require that you explain the joke - from top to bottom - with foot notes, 8x10 full colour glossy photos with notes scribbled on the back of each explaining what each 8x10 full colour glossy photo was... -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- We the Users, in order to form a more perfect system, establish priorities, ensure connective tranquility, provide for common repairs, promote preventive maintenance, and secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our processes, do ordain and establish this Software of The Unixed States of America. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
On Friday 18 March 2005 06:51 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sat, 2005-03-19 at 10:49, Julie Sloan wrote: On Friday 18 March 2005 06:15 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:37:32 -0500 Julie Sloan disseminated the following: They started after you left :) Hey! You know why in Alabama they don't teach ...oops, wrong list. Sure sure sure - just like a woman. Lead us all on and then drop us like a hot tater. Oh okay :) ...sex educattion and drivers' education on the same day? Punchline? I'm betting it's the same reason as in Northern Ontario... Oh, I forgot all about this. Uh, okay, punchline: both classes need the mule Julie, we're dealing with JoeHill here. THAT in itself would require that you explain the joke - from top to bottom - with foot notes, 8x10 full colour glossy photos with notes scribbled on the back of each explaining what each 8x10 full colour glossy photo was... Just saw that movie last week. Gobbless Netflix :) I bet we watched fifteen movies last month. Alice's Restaurant was cute, but it's not one that aged well. :( -- Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] linux command tutorial
I found a new-newbie oriented tutorial at http://www.linuxcommand.org/ which everyone here probably already knows about. But just in case some lurker doesn't, there's the link. I may not be pestering y'all with questions for a while. I'm busy reading. -- Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 04:23, Julie Sloan wrote: I found a new-newbie oriented tutorial at http://www.linuxcommand.org/ which everyone here probably already knows about. But just in case some lurker doesn't, there's the link. I may not be pestering y'all with questions for a while. I'm busy reading. Dang. Didn't know they taught reading in Kentucky. (http://linuxfordummies.org) -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- Syntactic sugar causes cancer of the semicolon. -- Epigrams in Programming, ACM SIGPLAN Sept. 1982 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
Julie Sloan wrote: I found a new-newbie oriented tutorial at http://www.linuxcommand.org/ which everyone here probably already knows about. But just in case some lurker doesn't, there's the link. I may not be pestering y'all with questions for a while. I'm busy reading. Julie, Thanks for the link. I've never heard of it myself, and it looks like it will be helpful in explaining some of the CLI commands and options. -- Mr. Geek Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
Also there is this site, www.free-itebooks.com, where you'll find all kind of books: C++, Java, VBasic, etc. In particular, there is a section for Linux. Maybe you'll find something useful there. I found a vi book, and it was rather useful too me. Greetings, Fernando Gómez. == Registered Linux User 381647. Usuario Registrado de Linux 381647 http://counter.li.org - Original Message - From: Mr. Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial Julie Sloan wrote: I found a new-newbie oriented tutorial at http://www.linuxcommand.org/ which everyone here probably already knows about. But just in case some lurker doesn't, there's the link. I may not be pestering y'all with questions for a while. I'm busy reading. Julie, Thanks for the link. I've never heard of it myself, and it looks like it will be helpful in explaining some of the CLI commands and options. -- Mr. Geek Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
On Thursday 17 March 2005 04:52 pm, Mr. Geek wrote: Julie Sloan wrote: I found a new-newbie oriented tutorial at http://www.linuxcommand.org/ which everyone here probably already knows about. But just in case some lurker doesn't, there's the link. Julie, Thanks for the link. I've never heard of it myself, and it looks like it will be helpful in explaining some of the CLI commands and options. G knit a row, read a page, purl a row, read a page... I'm multitasking. Stephen Kühn wrote: Julie Sloan wrote: I may not be pestering y'all with questions for a while. I'm busy reading. Dang. Didn't know they taught reading in Kentucky. (http://linuxfordummies.org) They started after you left :) Hey! You know why in Alabama they don't teach ...oops, wrong list. -- Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 09:27, Julie Sloan wrote: Dang. Didn't know they taught reading in Kentucky. (http://linuxfordummies.org) They started after you left :) Hey! You know why in Alabama they don't teach ...oops, wrong list. Sure sure sure - just like a woman. Lead us all on and then drop us like a hot tater. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- Mister Teatime had a truly brilliant mind, but it was brilliant like a fractured mirror, all marvellous facets and rainbows but, ultimately, also something that was broken. (Hogfather) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
On Thursday 17 March 2005 05:32 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 09:27, Julie Sloan wrote: Dang. Didn't know they taught reading in Kentucky. (http://linuxfordummies.org) They started after you left :) Hey! You know why in Alabama they don't teach ...oops, wrong list. Sure sure sure - just like a woman. Lead us all on and then drop us like a hot tater. Oh okay :) ...sex educattion and drivers' education on the same day? -- Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
On Thursday 17 March 2005 04:35 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 04:23, Julie Sloan wrote: I found a new-newbie oriented tutorial at http://www.linuxcommand.org/ which everyone here probably already knows about. But just in case some lurker doesn't, there's the link. I may not be pestering y'all with questions for a while. I'm busy reading. Dang. Didn't know they taught reading in Kentucky. Julie, meet Stephen. Stephen rarely has anything good (read accurate as well) to say about Kentucky or Kentuckians, as a general rule. You'll get used to it. :-) I had to post pictures of my home and yard before he would believe that there weren't cars up on blocks in the front yard, refrigerators on the porch, blah, blah, blah... -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 00:53, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Thursday 17 March 2005 04:35 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 04:23, Julie Sloan wrote: I found a new-newbie oriented tutorial at http://www.linuxcommand.org/ which everyone here probably already knows about. But just in case some lurker doesn't, there's the link. I may not be pestering y'all with questions for a while. I'm busy reading. Dang. Didn't know they taught reading in Kentucky. Julie, meet Stephen. Stephen rarely has anything good (read accurate as well) to say about Kentucky or Kentuckians, as a general rule. You'll get used to it. :-) I had to post pictures of my home and yard before he would believe that there weren't cars up on blocks in the front yard, refrigerators on the porch, blah, blah, blah... Go on Ronald, admit it. That wasn't really a photo of your house was it? 8-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
Paul wrote: Go on Ronald, admit it. That wasn't really a photo of your house was it? 8-) It was probably the guest house. -- Mr. Geek Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
Julie Sloan wrote: Dang. Didn't know they taught reading in Kentucky. (http://linuxfordummies.org) They started after you left :) Hey! You know why in Alabama they don't teach ...oops, wrong list. Ouch! She definitely got you on that one Stephen! LMAO! -- Mr. Geek Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
Ronald J. Hall wrote: Julie, meet Stephen. Stephen rarely has anything good (read accurate as well) to say about Kentucky or Kentuckians, as a general rule. You'll get used to it. :-) I had to post pictures of my home and yard before he would believe that there weren't cars up on blocks in the front yard, refrigerators on the porch, blah, blah, blah... Zing! Uh-Oh, Stephen, You're 0 and 2 now! Nice to see some Linux Geeks still have a sense of humor! I'm going back to lurking now. Watching this thread is getting way too interesting! -- Mr. Geek Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux command tutorial
On Thursday 17 March 2005 07:04 pm, Mr. Geek wrote: Paul wrote: Go on Ronald, admit it. That wasn't really a photo of your house was it? 8-) It was probably the guest house. Well, actually it was my house. I guess I should have stood at an angle and got the mailbox (with my name on it) in the pics to convince this lot though. ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux books
Duncan Anderson wrote: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Thanks everyone for your suggestions. Will try get one or two from library first, then buy one. That is very wise, Rosemary. Not wanting to dampen anyone's enthusiasm, but all Computer books are out of date by the time they are published. The best up-to-date information is freely available on the Net. Having said that, even old computer books can be useful in terms of learning the concepts and methods involved. They are not always good at the finer details of the newer releases of various Linux distributions. Linux for Dummies isn't bad. cheers Duncan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Since posting - have been doing the rounds of various places and following links and bookmarking them. Printing bits and pieces as I need it, and *hoping* I'm beginning to learn something. Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux books
riccardo wrote: On Thursday 24 February 2005 07:47 am, Duncan Anderson wrote: but all Computer books are out of date by the time they are published most are not page-turners/good bedtime reading . . . thus, a Google Search is more likely to turn up the goods :) best rgds Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Indeed! Rather heavy reading. Have been following links and have some good bookmarks to catch up on. Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux books
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Thanks everyone for your suggestions. Will try get one or two from library first, then buy one. That is very wise, Rosemary. Not wanting to dampen anyone's enthusiasm, but all Computer books are out of date by the time they are published. The best up-to-date information is freely available on the Net. Having said that, even old computer books can be useful in terms of learning the concepts and methods involved. They are not always good at the finer details of the newer releases of various Linux distributions. Linux for Dummies isn't bad. cheers Duncan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux books
On Thursday 24 February 2005 07:47 am, Duncan Anderson wrote: but all Computer books are out of date by the time they are published most are not page-turners/good bedtime reading . . . thus, a Google Search is more likely to turn up the goods :) best rgds Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux books
I read O'reilly's Running Linux and Understanding the Linux Kernel (www.oreily.com) Joris On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:50:26 -0600, John Michael Schneiderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 21 February 2005 23:55, Aron Smith wrote: On Monday 21 February 2005 09:35 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: On Tuesday 22 Feb 2005 18:33, Aron Smith wrote: On Monday 21 February 2005 08:30 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hi all Just wondering if there is any recommended texts suitable for beginners. I know there's heaps of stuff on the web, and I do download and print stuff. I like to have a written reference to follow when doing new things. Rute urpmi rute or download it http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.gz or just read it online Thanks Rosemary Yes I am wading through that and have some printed. Linux Etudes is also good but very basic For very beginners there's Linux For Non-Geeks by Rickford Grant. It's based off of Fedora, but much of the information can be gained from it. It's written in a very informal style. For a more in depth, but not too in depth, I liked Linux Administration: A beginner's Guide by Steven Graham and Steve Shah. It gives a few Red Hat information, though they confesses to love and use Mandrake, but what I love is that he also shows how to administer using the actual configuration files. -- Injustice is happening now; suffering is happening now. We have choices to make now. To insist on absolute certainty before starting to apply ethics to life decisions is a way of choosing to be amoral. Richard Stallman (Slashdot interview 1 May 2000) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux books
Linux Etudes is also good but very basic For very beginners there's Linux For Non-Geeks by Rickford Grant. It's based off of Fedora, but much of the information can be gained from it. It's written in a very informal style. For a more in depth, but not too in depth, I liked Linux Administration: A beginner's Guide by Steven Graham and Steve Shah. It gives a few Red Hat information, though they confesses to love and use Mandrake, but what I love is that he also shows how to administer using the actual configuration files. My personal favorites that have not been mentioned are Linux+: In Depth An excellent book on using linux as an administrator, with not much mention of the graphical side. Multitool Linux- Practical Uses for Open Source Software A great book on how to use the tools in Linux to do what we want to do from managing and dealing with graphic images, networking, sound, remote CD burning, and more Its my most recent find, and I am quite excited. Linux! I Didn't Know You Could Do That An older beginner minded text that covers the basics. The Complete Reference to Linux, 5th Ed. 5th ed covers the 2.4 kernel, and its based on RH 8.2, but there is alot of good information there. It deals with Linux with more of a server mentaility, but is a good reference on the nuts and bolts. One thing for sure, is to not worry about getting stuff that is a little older say for the 2.4 kernel, as program names don't change and their root usages stay the same, so in an older book you will learn the basics, and in a man page you will learn the details. -- Linux User #183693 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux books
Rob Blomquist wrote: Linux Etudes is also good but very basic For very beginners there's Linux For Non-Geeks by Rickford Grant. It's based off of Fedora, but much of the information can be gained from it. It's written in a very informal style. For a more in depth, but not too in depth, I liked Linux Administration: A beginner's Guide by Steven Graham and Steve Shah. It gives a few Red Hat information, though they confesses to love and use Mandrake, but what I love is that he also shows how to administer using the actual configuration files. My personal favorites that have not been mentioned are Linux+: In Depth An excellent book on using linux as an administrator, with not much mention of the graphical side. Multitool Linux- Practical Uses for Open Source Software A great book on how to use the tools in Linux to do what we want to do from managing and dealing with graphic images, networking, sound, remote CD burning, and more Its my most recent find, and I am quite excited. Linux! I Didn't Know You Could Do That An older beginner minded text that covers the basics. The Complete Reference to Linux, 5th Ed. 5th ed covers the 2.4 kernel, and its based on RH 8.2, but there is alot of good information there. It deals with Linux with more of a server mentaility, but is a good reference on the nuts and bolts. One thing for sure, is to not worry about getting stuff that is a little older say for the 2.4 kernel, as program names don't change and their root usages stay the same, so in an older book you will learn the basics, and in a man page you will learn the details. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Thanks everyone for your suggestions. Will try get one or two from library first, then buy one. Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux books
Dana Tue February 22 2005 06:33, Aron Smith je napisao: On Monday 21 February 2005 08:30 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hi all Just wondering if there is any recommended texts suitable for beginners. I know there's heaps of stuff on the web, and I do download and print stuff. I like to have a written reference to follow when doing new things. Rute urpmi rute or download it http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.gz or just read it online Thanks Rosemary You could check this book on www.sunsite.dk/linux-newbie the manual is called Linux for dumies look for latest edition Its very well explained for you if you are beginer best one i started with it cant tell i learned everithing but i learned great deal of understanding linux and linux structure.When i install linux on my friends PC i give them this manual to learn something about it and after that they can read ebooks with taht contain 5000+ pages. Cheers -- We must die because we have known them. -- Ptah-hotep, 2000 B.C. Linux bsielektronik.com 2.6.8.1-12mdk #1 Fri Oct 1 12:53:41 CEST 2004 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2700+ GNU/Linux 16:12:06 up 3 d 12 h 22 min, 1 user, load average: 0.72, 0.69, 0.35 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux books
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 09:57 am, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: whack Thanks everyone for your suggestions. Will try get one or two from library first, then buy one. Rosemary Rosemary: Check out O'Reilly's (www.oreilly.com) Safari which allows you to read various O'Reilly publications online. I'm not sure what it costs, but they offer a 14 day free trial. They also make portions of various books (usually a chapter or so) available online at the main site. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux books
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 06:57 am, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Rob Blomquist wrote: Linux Etudes is also good but very basic For very beginners there's Linux For Non-Geeks by Rickford Grant. It's based off of Fedora, but much of the information can be gained from it. It's written in a very informal style. For a more in depth, but not too in depth, I liked Linux Administration: A beginner's Guide by Steven Graham and Steve Shah. It gives a few Red Hat information, though they confesses to love and use Mandrake, but what I love is that he also shows how to administer using the actual configuration files. My personal favorites that have not been mentioned are Linux+: In Depth An excellent book on using linux as an administrator, with not much mention of the graphical side. Multitool Linux- Practical Uses for Open Source Software A great book on how to use the tools in Linux to do what we want to do from managing and dealing with graphic images, networking, sound, remote CD burning, and more Its my most recent find, and I am quite excited. Linux! I Didn't Know You Could Do That An older beginner minded text that covers the basics. The Complete Reference to Linux, 5th Ed. 5th ed covers the 2.4 kernel, and its based on RH 8.2, but there is alot of good information there. It deals with Linux with more of a server mentaility, but is a good reference on the nuts and bolts. One thing for sure, is to not worry about getting stuff that is a little older say for the 2.4 kernel, as program names don't change and their root usages stay the same, so in an older book you will learn the basics, and in a man page you will learn the details. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Thanks everyone for your suggestions. Will try get one or two from library first, then buy one. You will over the next few years buy a *lot* of books ;-) Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] linux autocad
hi, i just wanna ask if someone here is familiar or using Autocad application under mndk 10 environment.? if there is then where to find the installer? thanks.. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux autocad
On Tuesday 22 February 2005 12:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, i just wanna ask if someone here is familiar or using Autocad application under mndk 10 environment.? if there is then where to find the installer? thanks.. Hi, why don't you try BricsCAD? It's fully compatible with AutoCAD. You must install wine first: you can get the very last mdk rpm from http://www.winehq.com/site/download Here's the link. It's a freedownload: http://www.cad.cl/bricscad/linux/cadforlinux_beta_download.htm If you insist on AutoCAD, you'll find helpful hints here: http://appdb.winehq.org/appbrowse.phpi Luck -- Pablo Ortúzar Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux autocad
k. have to try.. Salamat (thanks) |-+--- | | Pablo Ortuzar | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | | | | Sent by:| | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | andrake.com | | | | | | | | | 02/22/05 07:28 PM | | | Please respond to | | | newbie | | | | |-+--- --| | | | To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [newbie] linux autocad | --| On Tuesday 22 February 2005 12:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, i just wanna ask if someone here is familiar or using Autocad application under mndk 10 environment.? if there is then where to find the installer? thanks.. Hi, why don't you try BricsCAD? It's fully compatible with AutoCAD. You must install wine first: you can get the very last mdk rpm from http://www.winehq.com/site/download Here's the link. It's a freedownload: http://www.cad.cl/bricscad/linux/cadforlinux_beta_download.htm If you insist on AutoCAD, you'll find helpful hints here: http://appdb.winehq.org/appbrowse.phpi Luck -- Pablo Ortzar Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux autocad
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, i just wanna ask if someone here is familiar or using Autocad application under mndk 10 environment.? if there is then where to find the installer? thanks.. The leading apps I know of for CAD under Linux are www.qcad.org, www.cycas.de and www.varicad.com, but http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html has a heap more. Some of these can be found in Mdk Contrib. John. - Forget that new hard drive, save some lives instead, donate to the Red Cross: USA: https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp UK: https://www.donate.bt.com/bt_form_dec.htm Oz: https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineTsunamiDonations.asp NZ: https://www.banqonit.com/proxypage.aspx?boiid=205 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux books
On Monday 21 February 2005 11:30 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hi all Just wondering if there is any recommended texts suitable for beginners. I know there's heaps of stuff on the web, and I do download and print stuff. I like to have a written reference to follow when doing new things. Thanks Rosemary Rosemary: The two best dead-tree books are Running Linux and Linux in a Nutshell. Both are published by O'Reilly (www.oreilly.com). -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux books
On Monday 21 February 2005 23:55, Aron Smith wrote: On Monday 21 February 2005 09:35 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: On Tuesday 22 Feb 2005 18:33, Aron Smith wrote: On Monday 21 February 2005 08:30 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hi all Just wondering if there is any recommended texts suitable for beginners. I know there's heaps of stuff on the web, and I do download and print stuff. I like to have a written reference to follow when doing new things. Rute urpmi rute or download it http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.gz or just read it online Thanks Rosemary Yes I am wading through that and have some printed. Linux Etudes is also good but very basic For very beginners there's Linux For Non-Geeks by Rickford Grant. It's based off of Fedora, but much of the information can be gained from it. It's written in a very informal style. For a more in depth, but not too in depth, I liked Linux Administration: A beginner's Guide by Steven Graham and Steve Shah. It gives a few Red Hat information, though they confesses to love and use Mandrake, but what I love is that he also shows how to administer using the actual configuration files. -- Injustice is happening now; suffering is happening now. We have choices to make now. To insist on absolute certainty before starting to apply ethics to life decisions is a way of choosing to be amoral. Richard Stallman (Slashdot interview 1 May 2000) pgpHq0oZ5j6SW.pgp Description: PGP signature
[newbie] linux books
Hi all Just wondering if there is any recommended texts suitable for beginners. I know there's heaps of stuff on the web, and I do download and print stuff. I like to have a written reference to follow when doing new things. Thanks Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux books
On Monday 21 February 2005 08:30 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hi all Just wondering if there is any recommended texts suitable for beginners. I know there's heaps of stuff on the web, and I do download and print stuff. I like to have a written reference to follow when doing new things. Rute urpmi rute or download it http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.gz or just read it online Thanks Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux books
On Tuesday 22 Feb 2005 18:33, Aron Smith wrote: On Monday 21 February 2005 08:30 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hi all Just wondering if there is any recommended texts suitable for beginners. I know there's heaps of stuff on the web, and I do download and print stuff. I like to have a written reference to follow when doing new things. Rute urpmi rute or download it http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.gz or just read it online Thanks Rosemary Yes I am wading through that and have some printed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux books
On Monday 21 February 2005 09:35 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: On Tuesday 22 Feb 2005 18:33, Aron Smith wrote: On Monday 21 February 2005 08:30 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hi all Just wondering if there is any recommended texts suitable for beginners. I know there's heaps of stuff on the web, and I do download and print stuff. I like to have a written reference to follow when doing new things. Rute urpmi rute or download it http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.gz or just read it online Thanks Rosemary Yes I am wading through that and have some printed. Linux Etudes is also good but very basic Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Mandrake 7.1 support
On Friday 04 February 2005 08:00 pm, NE MASANGANE wrote: Mandrake 7.1 and I want to install the operating system but now I use windows xp pro ( NTFS ) I need both operating systems in one machine. 1.. How to install the operating system in these situation ? 2.. How to do partition on the hard disk in these situation ? 3.. Linux mandrake 7.1 can support internal modem 56 kbps ? __ partitions: _ what i did ~ _ HDA1 about 100 mb for /boot [after installs i used grub/or, lilo, to boot all systems] HDA2 about 2500 mb for Windows HDA3 about 1000 mb for Linux Swap [ put swap as sandwich between Windows and Linux, because Windows formatting does not always respect 'boundaries'] HDA5 Linux system about 15 gigs HDA6 Linux system about 15 gigs [ 1st backup of whole system ] HDA7 Linux system about 15 gigs [ 2nd backup of whole system ] YMMV best rgds __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Mandrake 7.1 support
On Friday 04 February 2005 20:00, NE MASANGANE wrote: - Original Message - From: NE MASANGANE To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Linux Mandrake 7.1 support LINUX MANDRAKE 7.1 Help I have linux Mandrake 7.1 and I want to install the operating system but now I use windows xp pro ( NTFS ) I need both operating systems in one machine. 1.. How to install the operating system in these situation ? 2.. How to do partition on the hard disk in these situation ? 3.. Linux mandrake 7.1 can support internal modem 56 kbps ? subscribe newbie From Irvin ( South Africa ) My e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mandrake 7.1 is VERY OLD. It was released before Windows XP and will not partition a hard drive formatted with NTFS file system. The applications on the CD are all out of date. I would recommend you obtain a more recent version. Mandrake 10.1 will partition the hard drive for you. Internal 56k modems are usually 'winmodems' and require a proprietary driver. Drivers are available from www.linuxant.com The driver is speed limited to 14.4 kbps and you have to pay $15 to make it work at 56k. It is often cheaper to buy a used external serial modem which needs no driver. Mandrake 10.1 is available for download from the Internet for free. If you do not have access to high speed broadband you can buy CDs locally in South Africa at low cost from places like http://www.linuxwarehouse.co.za If cost is important to you it is possible to get CDs of the local South African linux distribution Ubuntu totally free without even postage charges. http://www.ubuntu.com/ I have never tried Ubuntu, but I hear it is very good. HTH derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Mandrake 7.1 support
On Friday 04 February 2005 12:00 pm, NE MASANGANE wrote: | - Original Message - | From: NE MASANGANE | To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com | Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:46 PM | Subject: Linux Mandrake 7.1 support | | | | | LINUX MANDRAKE 7.1 | Help | | I have linux Mandrake 7.1 and I want to install the operating system but | now I use windows xp pro ( NTFS ) I need both operating systems in one | machine. 1.. How to install the operating system in these situation ? My advice--don't. | 2.. How to do partition on the hard disk in these situation ? Not with 7.1--it's partition tool doesn't understand ntfs. You need a more modern system (7.1 is roughly equivalent to Win98). I would recommend at least Mandrake 9.1. Anything less and you will have extreme configuration problems. | 3.. Linux mandrake 7.1 can support internal modem 56 kbps ? Likely, you have a WinModem. These are WINDOWS modems, designed to use the operating system. Some of these can be configured and some can't--drivers may be available-- that work with Linux (hence the term LinModem, but if you install Mandrake 10 and above with the 2.6 kernel you may have to compile the drivers yourself. These drivers are for a specific kernel, and you may not be able to download an exact match for your kernel (I just went through this). That is another advantage of the older 9.1 and 9.2--they have the 2.4 kernel and if your modem happens to be a LinModem the drivers for whatever kernel you have will be available to download as a package--no compiling. Have a look at http://www.linmodems.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Mandrake 7.1 support
On Saturday 05 February 2005 04:12 am, Derek Jennings wrote: On Friday 04 February 2005 20:00, NE MASANGANE wrote: - Original Message - From: NE MASANGANE To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Linux Mandrake 7.1 support LINUX MANDRAKE 7.1 Help I have linux Mandrake 7.1 and I want to install the operating system but now I use windows xp pro ( NTFS ) I need both operating systems in one machine. 1.. How to install the operating system in these situation ? 2.. How to do partition on the hard disk in these situation ? 3.. Linux mandrake 7.1 can support internal modem 56 kbps ? subscribe newbie From Irvin ( South Africa ) snip Internal 56k modems are usually 'winmodems' and require a proprietary driver. Drivers are available from www.linuxant.com The driver is speed limited to 14.4 kbps and you have to pay $15 to make it work at 56k. It is often cheaper to buy a used external serial modem which needs no driver. If Irvin is running an old ISA modem, he may be OK. My wife is using an old (circa 1998) Zoom 2919 ISA modem that still works just fine; the key to getting it to work is to configure the jumpers on the modem card for a specific COM port and IRQ. No drivers required; it just works. While there were a number of ISA modems that were winmodems, there were a number of others that were the real McCoy. The best way for Irvin to determine if he has a winmodem, linmodem or real modem is to go to http://linmodems.org and click on the link at the bottom of the page to Rob Clark's site, then select the mirror site, and finally select the ISA Modems link to get a (very big) list of ISA modems and their Linux compatibility. If his modem is a real modem, then there is no reason that he should discard, OTOH, if it is not a real modem, then an external serial port modem is the proper way to go. Mandrake 10.1 is available for download from the Internet for free. If you do not have access to high speed broadband you can buy CDs locally in South Africa at low cost from places like http://www.linuxwarehouse.co.za If cost is important to you it is possible to get CDs of the local South African linux distribution Ubuntu totally free without even postage charges. http://www.ubuntu.com/ I have never tried Ubuntu, but I hear it is very good. Irvin should also search for a LUG (Linux User Group) in his area Here's a list that our friend Google found: http://www.linux.org/groups/southafrica.html Any listmember with some knowledge of the Linux world in South Africa is encouraged to jump in here. HTH -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux commands...???
I'll try thiis fix tonight! -thanks so much. On Thursday 03 February 2005 11:44 pm, Eric Huff wrote: I get the eth0 internet connection failure thing.It works OK though.It just annoying... A couple solutions: - Thanks to several tips I found my problem. Turning off 'Network Hotplugging' in MCC networking fixed it. One poster mentioned you could get the same effect by setting MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=no in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0. - - Here was the fix from Derek: From Mandrake Control Centre NetworkManageConnectionsOptions Uncheck Network Hotplugging then restart networking from Mandrake Control CentreSystemServices If that does not help. Open a terminal enter 'su' to become root user then 'ifconfig' You will see a page showing the state of your link. If you see anything in the'collisions' counter, then your connection is trying to work half duplex. In that case come back with details of the ethernet card and driver you are using, and I will show you how to force half or full duplex. HTH derek - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Linux Mandrake 7.1 support
- Original Message - From: NE MASANGANE To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Linux Mandrake 7.1 support LINUX MANDRAKE 7.1 Help I have linux Mandrake 7.1 and I want to install the operating systembutnow I use windows xp pro (NTFS ) I need both operating systemsin one machine. How to install the operating system in these situation ? Howto do partition on the hard disk in these situation? Linux mandrake 7.1can support internal modem 56 kbps? subscribe newbie From Irvin ( South Africa ) My e-mail addressis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Linux commands...???
JR wrote: On Saturday 29 January 2005 04:40 am, teguh wrote: Hi all, I have some questions and do need your help since I'm really,really,really new in Linux. 1. on booting my comp shows this status Bringing up interface loopback eth0 FAILED. But the rest are OK. What does it mean? and how to fix it? Dunno what it means but I get it all the time. In my case eth0 refers to my internet connection which works perfectly once the computer is up and running. If your internet or other network connection works OK, I suggest you don't worry about it. Cheers, Graham Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux commands...???
I get the eth0 internet connection failure thing.It works OK though.It just annoying... On Thursday 03 February 2005 01:02 pm, Graham Watkins wrote: Dunno what it means but I get it all the time. In my case eth0 refers to my internet connection which works perfectly once the computer is up and running. If your internet or other network connection works OK, I suggest you don't worry about it. Cheers, Graham Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux commands...???
I get the eth0 internet connection failure thing.It works OK though.It just annoying... A couple solutions: - Thanks to several tips I found my problem. Turning off 'Network Hotplugging' in MCC networking fixed it. One poster mentioned you could get the same effect by setting MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=no in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0. - - Here was the fix from Derek: From Mandrake Control Centre NetworkManageConnectionsOptions Uncheck Network Hotplugging then restart networking from Mandrake Control CentreSystemServices If that does not help. Open a terminal enter 'su' to become root user then 'ifconfig' You will see a page showing the state of your link. If you see anything in the'collisions' counter, then your connection is trying to work half duplex. In that case come back with details of the ethernet card and driver you are using, and I will show you how to force half or full duplex. HTH derek - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux commands.......????
teguh wrote: Hi, Thank you Julie for asking Making New Connection cause I have the same problem since I live in Asia (Indonesia). I don't know which provider should I choose. Beside that I have problem with my connection so i'll work on building connecting first then ask that question.Till now i'm still struggling to connect my comp to internet under Linux or save my money to buy an external modem to overcome this. ===it's just a blow of my thought today!!=== Hi teguh - - here is the external modem I bought last summer; it works well for me: http://www.bestdata.com/product.asp?pid=41catID=4 I think I have the same setup as you - - dual booting Mandrake-10.0 and WinXP. The call-waiting feature only works on the Winduh side though. :( hth Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux commands.......????
On Monday 31 January 2005 09:46 am, Julie Sloan wrote: teguh wrote: Hi, Thank you Julie for asking Making New Connection cause I have the same problem since I live in Asia (Indonesia). I don't know which provider should I choose. Beside that I have problem with my connection so i'll work on building connecting first then ask that question.Till now i'm still struggling to connect my comp to internet under Linux or save my money to buy an external modem to overcome this. ===it's just a blow of my thought today!!=== Hi teguh - - here is the external modem I bought last summer; it works well for me: http://www.bestdata.com/product.asp?pid=41catID=4 I think I have the same setup as you - - dual booting Mandrake-10.0 and WinXP. The call-waiting feature only works on the Winduh side though. :( hth Julie call witing features of the modem are something setup with the init string you send the modem just before calling. copy the init string you use in winders, and/or look through the book that came with your modem. you can set the same init string in the setup of kppp.. -- linux counter #167806 (http://counter.li.org/) website=http://ed-tharp.kicks-ass.org; Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux commands.......????
et wrote: On Monday 31 January 2005 09:46 am, Julie Sloan wrote: Hi teguh - - here is the external modem I bought last summer; it works well for me: http://www.bestdata.com/product.asp?pid=41catID=4 I think I have the same setup as you - - dual booting Mandrake-10.0 and WinXP. The call-waiting feature only works on the Winduh side though. :( call witing features of the modem are something setup with the init string you send the modem just before calling. copy the init string you use in winders, and/or look through the book that came with your modem. you can set the same init string in the setup of kppp.. Sorry - where do you suggest I should begin looking for the init string? (Having call waiting would be so cool.) Got no book with it, just a slim paper folder and that tells next to nothing... there should be an install CD here somewhere... ewww eww ick ick cobwebs... not there... got discs for everything else... Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux commands...???
On Saturday 29 January 2005 21:11, Julie Sloan wrote: Hi Thank you Pablo for the explanation. Now I have a question: when I open kppp and choose configure, my modem device is shown as /dev/ttyS0. How is that the same or different from eth0 ? I am using an external modem since my Winmodem wouldn't configure for Mandrake10.0. Also, when I go to MCC Network and Internet Make New Connection, on the second or third screen I am asked to choose my provider, which shows a bunch of European providers but none so far as I can tell, that apply to me. I do not have a problem connecting, just a problem understanding this method of setting up a new connection. thanks, Julie Hi, modems and ethernet cards are different: you must use one OR the other. If you want to set up a connection via eth0, in MCC Network and Internet Make New Connection, choose ADSL or cable, depending on what your ISP (Internet Service Provider) uses. You're right: the list of available providers *is* very incomplete, and I do not see any way of adding options. I find the MCCNetwork and Internet interface so confusing that I can no longer recall how *I* got connected! You'll have to get help from someone else: try the Mandrakelinux documentation (it's in your computer) and the TWiki: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/WebHome -- Pablo Ortúzar Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re:[newbie] Linux commands.......????
Hi, Thank you Julie for asking Making New Connection cause I have the same problem since I live in Asia (Indonesia). I don't know which provider should I choose. Beside that I have problem with my connection so i'll work on building connecting first then ask that question.Till now i'm still struggling to connect my comp to internet under Linux or save my money to buy an external modem to overcome this. ===it's just a blow of my thought today!!=== Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Linux commands...???
Hi all, I have some questions and do need your help since I'm really,really,really new in Linux. 1. on booting my comp shows this status Bringing up interface loopback eth0 FAILED. But the rest are OK. What does it mean? and how to fix it? 2. And on the taskbar (at the bottom right) there's an orange circle telling network downblahblah...blah(don't remember exactly!!). can anyone tell me what happened with my computer? I use Mandrake 10.0; KDE 3.2 3. what is the command to install or to upgrade using console?For example, i have MySQL 4.0.18 in my comp now and want to be upgraded to MySQL 4.0.21. does this group have archives about Linux commands? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux commands...???
On Saturday 29 January 2005 04:40 am, teguh wrote: Hi all, I have some questions and do need your help since I'm really,really,really new in Linux. 1. on booting my comp shows this status Bringing up interface loopback eth0 FAILED. But the rest are OK. What does it mean? and how to fix it? This means a network or internet connection could not be established - or possibly that your network card is not present. Someone might have a more accurate definition for you. 2. And on the taskbar (at the bottom right) there's an orange circle telling network downblahblah...blah(don't remember exactly!!). can anyone tell me what happened with my computer? I use Mandrake 10.0; KDE 3.2 This is as a result of the former/ 3. what is the command to install or to upgrade using console?For example, i have MySQL 4.0.18 in my comp now and want to be upgraded to MySQL 4.0.21. does this group have archives about Linux commands? On any rpm based system, you can just download that package from the mysql website and install it. The command would be: rpm -Uhv newer-package.rpm But mandrake also has a great set of tools called 'urmp' that would be even easier - as long as the packages in the repository are as up to date as you need. If you want more detail on any of these, just shout. Regards, Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux commands...???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 29 Jan 2005 09:40, teguh wrote: Hi all, I have some questions and do need your help since I'm really,really,really new in Linux. 1. on booting my comp shows this status Bringing up interface loopback eth0 FAILED. But the rest are OK. What does it mean? and how to fix it? Your NIC is either mis-configured or not recognised. To get help you need to find some information for us, such as whether it is listed by Mandrake Control Center Hardware Hardware, and all information it gives if it is. If it isn't, what model is it (if a card) or any information your motherboard manual gives if it is an on-board one. 2. And on the taskbar (at the bottom right) there's an orange circle telling network downblahblah...blah(don't remember exactly!!). can anyone tell me what happened with my computer? I use Mandrake 10.0; KDE 3.2 That's Mandrake OnLine. Ignore it until you get the other thing sorted, then ask for help with this. 3. what is the command to install or to upgrade using console?For example, i have MySQL 4.0.18 in my comp now and want to be upgraded to MySQL 4.0.21. does this group have archives about Linux commands? Read http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UsingUrpmi - urpmi is a very powerful tool with many uses. http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/ABeginnersStartWithMandrakeLinux is a good introduction to the Community TWiki, which is a large and useful resource. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB+2cYkFAvMr/nNX8RAlhLAKCEFwP7kUuZZURVrfEluF2mKy2pxQCdGvBe sQUuKtYun7pr7WdaWIIfeiQ= =/rR8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux commands...???
teguh wrote: Hi all, I have some questions and do need your help since I'm really,really,really new in Linux. 1. on booting my comp shows this status Bringing up interface loopback eth0 FAILED. But the rest are OK. What does it mean? and how to fix it? If you are connecting with a modem rather than LAN then you don't use the eth0. I *think* eth0 referes to LAN. If you are connected despite the FAILED, then you don't need the eth0 to start at boot. MCC Network Internet Manage Connections click the arrow, pulldown menu, whatever it's called, near the top and select eth0. Below are tabs: TCP/IP, Options, Information. Under Options disable (uncheck) start at boot. HTH Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux commands...???
On Saturday 29 January 2005 19:06, Julie Sloan wrote: teguh wrote: Hi all, I have some questions and do need your help since I'm really,really,really new in Linux. 1. on booting my comp shows this status Bringing up interface loopback eth0 FAILED. But the rest are OK. What does it mean? and how to fix it? If you are connecting with a modem rather than LAN then you don't use the eth0. I *think* eth0 referes to LAN. If you are connected despite the FAILED, then you don't need the eth0 to start at boot. Hi, eth0 is your ethernet (computer network) card. Since you can have several ethernet cards, they're numbered: eth0, eth1, etc. If you have only one card, then it's eth0. The network ethernet cards can connect to are 1) the Internet 2) a local area network (LAN) In order to connect to the Internet (I assume it's what you want), you must previously 1) configure your ethernet card 2)set up your connection. Select Configure your computer. You'll be asked for your root password. Choose Network and Internet, then New connection. Depending on your connection, choose modem, ISDN, ADSL, Cable, LAN or Wireless . Connection can be set up to be started on demand or -always- at boot. -- Pablo Ortúzar Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux commands...???
Pablo Ortuzar wrote: On Saturday 29 January 2005 19:06, Julie Sloan wrote: If you are connecting with a modem rather than LAN then you don't use the eth0. I *think* eth0 referes to LAN. If you are connected despite the FAILED, then you don't need the eth0 to start at boot. Hi, eth0 is your ethernet (computer network) card. Since you can have several ethernet cards, they're numbered: eth0, eth1, etc. If you have only one card, then it's eth0. The network ethernet cards can connect to are 1) the Internet 2) a local area network (LAN) In order to connect to the Internet (I assume it's what you want), you must previously 1) configure your ethernet card 2)set up your connection. Select Configure your computer. You'll be asked for your root password. Choose Network and Internet, then New connection. Depending on your connection, choose modem, ISDN, ADSL, Cable, LAN or Wireless . Connection can be set up to be started on demand or -always- at boot. Hi Thank you Pablo for the explanation. Now I have a question: when I open kppp and choose configure, my modem device is shown as /dev/ttyS0. How is that the same or different from eth0 ? I am using an external modem since my Winmodem wouldn't configure for Mandrake10.0. Also, when I go to MCC Network and Internet Make New Connection, on the second or third screen I am asked to choose my provider, which shows a bunch of European providers but none so far as I can tell, that apply to me. I do not have a problem connecting, just a problem understanding this method of setting up a new connection. thanks, Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux commands...???
On Saturday 29 January 2005 12:11 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: Pablo Ortuzar wrote: On Saturday 29 January 2005 19:06, Julie Sloan wrote: If you are connecting with a modem rather than LAN then you don't use the eth0. I *think* eth0 referes to LAN. If you are connected despite the FAILED, then you don't need the eth0 to start at boot. Hi, eth0 is your ethernet (computer network) card. Since you can have several ethernet cards, they're numbered: eth0, eth1, etc. If you have only one card, then it's eth0. The network ethernet cards can connect to are 1) the Internet 2) a local area network (LAN) In order to connect to the Internet (I assume it's what you want), you must previously 1) configure your ethernet card 2)set up your connection. Select Configure your computer. You'll be asked for your root password. Choose Network and Internet, then New connection. Depending on your connection, choose modem, ISDN, ADSL, Cable, LAN or Wireless . Connection can be set up to be started on demand or -always- at boot. Hi Thank you Pablo for the explanation. Now I have a question: when I open kppp and choose configure, my modem device is shown as /dev/ttyS0. /dev/ttyS0. refers to device serial 0 the first srial device which your external modem is How is that the same or different from eth0 ? I am using an external modem since my Winmodem wouldn't configure for Mandrake10.0. eth0 refers to ethernet device 0 or your lan Also, when I go to MCC Network and Internet Make New Connection, on the second or third screen I am asked to choose my provider, which shows a bunch of European providers but none so far as I can tell, that apply to me. I do not have a problem connecting, just a problem understanding this method of setting up a new connection. thanks, Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux commands...???
Julie Sloan wrote: Pablo Ortuzar wrote: On Saturday 29 January 2005 19:06, Julie Sloan wrote: If you are connecting with a modem rather than LAN then you don't use the eth0. I *think* eth0 referes to LAN. If you are connected despite the FAILED, then you don't need the eth0 to start at boot. Hi, eth0 is your ethernet (computer network) card. Since you can have several ethernet cards, they're numbered: eth0, eth1, etc. If you have only one card, then it's eth0. The network ethernet cards can connect to are 1) the Internet 2) a local area network (LAN) In order to connect to the Internet (I assume it's what you want), you must previously 1) configure your ethernet card 2)set up your connection. Select Configure your computer. You'll be asked for your root password. Choose Network and Internet, then New connection. Depending on your connection, choose modem, ISDN, ADSL, Cable, LAN or Wireless . Connection can be set up to be started on demand or -always- at boot. Hi Thank you Pablo for the explanation. Now I have a question: when I open kppp and choose configure, my modem device is shown as /dev/ttyS0. /dev/ttyS0 is the Linux equivelent of Windows COM1. It is the first serial port. The other common way to tell programs what port to do is to tell them to use /dev/modem. If things are set up correctly, this should be a sym-link to the real modem device. How is that the same or different from eth0 ? I am using an external modem since my Winmodem wouldn't configure for Mandrake10.0. They are different peices of hardware. To confuse things further, then actule network connection kppp sets up will show up as ppp0. (Point to Point Protocal) Kppp sets up the PPP connection on the fly, and does not create network scripts in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. Also, when I go to MCC Network and Internet Make New Connection, on the second or third screen I am asked to choose my provider, which shows a bunch of European providers but none so far as I can tell, that apply to me. Are you trying to set up a modem connection, or one of the other types of PPP connections? I don't remember MCC asking for my ISP when I set up a modem connection. But my memory isn't as good as it used to be... I do not have a problem connecting, just a problem understanding this method of setting up a new connection. thanks, Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Linux, Wine and viruses
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Here's an amusing article: http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222 Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB+QmZkFAvMr/nNX8RAuVHAKCXhwiftBsMe1FWsZIG1emfFTQ94ACfdGhY oNWhXtJSda+oktlWFhNc0A4= =9TbV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] linux shell commands
I don't know if anyone knows of this site, but it seems to be one heck of a resource for newbies on linux commands and what they do. Thanks google for showing me where it was. http://linux.about.com/od/commands/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux shell commands
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 21 Jan 2005 20:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if anyone knows of this site, but it seems to be one heck of a resource for newbies on linux commands and what they do. Thanks google for showing me where it was. http://linux.about.com/od/commands/ Added to the TWiki. If you haven't sampled it yet, try http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewbieFriendly Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB8XaDkFAvMr/nNX8RAmK1AJ0XCAv/w5WbxKHxjqEomC2f7BxaTACff3AC 386VpMHgRYHMu9/ubKdL2aE= =ZgTN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] linux simulator-DESKTOP
Il gio, 2005-01-06 alle 19:01, alfonso flores ha scritto: hi everyone, happy new year, once upon a time i found a web site that offers a linux simulator desktop that run under the browser does anybody knows where can i find or have any idea, i work in a school and we one to gradually change from windows to linux, thanks and best regards to everyone What are you looking for is crossX-desktop , which isn't only a linux-demonstration web-page , but a complete html/browser-based DESKTOP solution ,cross-platform (ALL platforms : Linux-Window$-BeOS-Mac-Amiga-any-Other-javascript-browser-featured) only few browsers currently not support this desktop-windowManager ( OPERA - KONQUEROR ???) Go to this page , bookmark this page,DownLoad the complete platform http://www.x-desktop.org/ http://www.lartob.com/x-desktop.org/appsdemo.html DEVELOP http://www.cross-browser.com/ For more web-demo of various applications select from menu apps demo and from the new frame select one of the items ( Developement relese for a quick page) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] linux simulator
hi everyone, happy new year, once upon a time i found a web site that offers a linux simulator desktopthat run under the browser does anybody knows where can i find or have any idea, i work in a school and we one to gradually change from windows to linux, thanks and best regards to everyoneIan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 06 Jan 2005 14:33, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 20:41, Anders Lind wrote: Hello friends, I have a question, I might have to go back to W2K for a short period of time because I cannot find a software that is similiar to DVDShrink in Windows for Linux (If somebody has an idea for a program that can do the same thing in Linux I am happy to listen. I can't get DVD::Rip to work properly), anyway at this point I have a partition in Linux called /extra which is /dev/hda8 and if I install W2K och /dev/hda1 and later go back to Linux, will the /dev/hda8 be there and just to add during the installation as /extra or whatever.I presume that this isn't a problem but I would like it confirmed before I do it ; Cheers Anders Anders, I'm surprised at you. You can't get DVD::Rip to work? Did you download and install all the dependencies? I just finished ripping Speilberg's "Taken" disk one and two (only takes a few minutes to rip to disk) - and going to convert to AVI and then to SVCD at my leisure. DVD::Rip is so much better than any of the others - especially MS Windows based rippersI'd second the request for a linux based program similar to DVD shrink.I take it Stephen has never used this "ripper", it automatically reduces a dual-layer DVD to the size required to fit on a "normal" DVD--/+r disk , writing the vob's as well. It can also edit the disk before this to remove any parts of the disk that aren't wanted, if you only wanted the movie, without the menu or any other part of the disk including additional soundtracks.Why would anyone want to convert a DVD quality movie and downgrade it to SVCD standard? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]Powered by Mandrake 10.1Microsoft FreeWant to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.comJoin the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more.
Re: [newbie] linux simulator
On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 10:01 -0800, alfonso flores wrote: hi everyone, happy new year, once upon a time i found a web site that offers a linux simulator desktop that run under the browser does anybody knows where can i find or have any idea, i work in a school and we one to gradually change from windows to linux, thanks and best regards to everyone Wouldn't recommend installing anything to run under windows, but there are several versions that boot from a CD (or USB memory stick). Mandrake Move, Knoppix, Gnoppix, are three that come to mind, all readily available from web. Knoppix/Gnoppix (and others) you can get cheaply from many retailers (well under USD 5). Stick the CD in, turn on computer, tell it to boot from CD and it will use the computers memory, etc., but not its harddisk you may have the odd problem with hardware - especially if you use winmodems. Next step would possibly be to dual-boot - choose either linux or windows when you turn on. As you work in a school, check out skolelinux at http://www.skolelinux.org/portal/ designed originally for Norwegian schools, but supports many languages - sets up servers and clients from a CD. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Linux: Fewer Bugs Than Rivals
Okay, we already know this, but here's some heavy duty numbers to prove it: http://www.wired.com/news/linux/0,1411,66022,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 18:43:46 up 23 days, 9:55, 8 users, load average: 0.22, 0.08, 0.02 +++ There is no fire like passion, there is no shark like hatred, there is no snare like folly, there is no torrent like greed. -- Buddha Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux on the rise
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:06:53 -0800 (PST) Thomas Wilkowski disseminated the following: I found this article interesting and thought it would be good to share. http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~33~2577377,00.html This inspired me to redo an old wallpaper I'd abandoned work on, maybe a little 'over the top', but hey, that's me! http://www.freeyourmachine.org/chewall.png -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 19:28:57 up 17 days, 10:39, 6 users, load average: 0.12, 0.21, 0.11 +++ Where the state begins, individual liberty ceases, and vice versa. -- Bakunin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux on the rise
JoeHill wrote: On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:06:53 -0800 (PST) Thomas Wilkowski disseminated the following: I found this article interesting and thought it would be good to share. http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~33~2577377,00.html This inspired me to redo an old wallpaper I'd abandoned work on, maybe a little 'over the top', but hey, that's me! http://www.freeyourmachine.org/chewall.png Nice. To both the wallpaper and the article. Article's in my bookmarks, wallpaper is my desktop. Cheers, ES Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Linux on the rise
I found this article interesting and thought it would be good to share. http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~33~2577377,00.html tsw __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux on the rise
I found this article interesting and thought it would be good to share. http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~33~2577377,00.html This has to be the single most positive article I have ever read on Linux that was published in the regular press. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Linux printing using HP 170X Jetdirect Print Server / Lexmark Z22 printer
Hi I have a Lexmark Z22 printer connected to my home network through an HP 170X Jetdirect print server. The arrangement works fine with Win XP (forgive me for still dual-booting) and now I'd like to print from Linux on the same printer. How do I go about it? Raja _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Fact or Fiction
On Friday 22 Oct 2004 7:27 am, Russell W. Behne wrote: In that case, Mikkel, it's not a virus, what you're describing is a trojan horse program. Agreed. But 99% of mal-ware these days are not real viruses either. They are called viruses by the unknowing because they don't know the difference, and by the knowing as a shorthand. IMHO, the Linux defence that a virus can only infect a single user's account is anachronistic. A trojan only needs user privileges to become a spam proxy. Consider a Linux user who uses P2P or bittorrent applications. Their firewall will have open ports that user-level programs can listen on. A Trojan could install itself on one of those ports to receive commands and use a self-contained mailing program to send spam. While installed in user-space it would allow hacker access to attempt vulnerability probing, but even without that it is still useful to the black-hats. We cannot become complacent. Every element of security is important. The TheRegister link posted by Derek Jennings is very interesting and useful. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Fact or Fiction
Yesterday at 23:31, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: I think you did a great job of summing it up. But one thing I have never seen talked about as a way to get a virus into a Linux system is to include it in an RPM. Lets face it, how many people actualy check the scripts that are run when an rpm is installed? Do you check that it is signed properly? (I know urpmi will check, but I also remember problem with package signitures talked about on the lists...) Remember, almost all RPMs are installed by root, so any scripts an RPM runs are also run by root. And all that is needed is to hack an update mirror site to infect a large number of machines... In that case, Mikkel, it's not a virus, what you're describing is a trojan horse program. A virus is defined as `a self-replicating automaton'. Once a system is infected by a virus it then can replicate itself to other systems, provided those systems are no more secure than Micro$oft's. On Linux the virus would have to first gain root privledges on the target host before it can replicate itself there. It's too hard to produce a virus that can do that on real operating systems (Unices,) but easy as pie on a Micro$oft toy. I had a book written in 1990 called `The little black book of computer viruses'. It was my introduction to writing viruses on M$-DOS machines. I learned so much about how viruses work that I got rather good at removing them manually. I even wrote a virus-removing stealth-type boot sector virus while living in the Philippines to deal with a particular virus that was written by some college student in Manila, who then was selling a TSR program to remove his own virus, (the jerk!) Bootlegging software was so widespread there that viruses were commonplace, and that made it easy to launch mine. My virus did the job for free destroying the jerk's virus, cleaning it completly out of people's systems while it spread itself, and keeping the jerk's virus out. It then self-destructed after a 5 year period. It worked so good that only 2 other people (as far as I know) in the Philippines ever knew about it. About 7 years ago I switched to Linux and haven't seen a virus infect my system since. Trojan horses are another story. -- Mit freundlichen Gren, Russ. Visit my nursery: http://www.angelfire.com/linux/behnesnursery/ The Behne Family Genealogy Project: http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/rwbehne/ Should we continue to trust Bush as our leader? Read this, then you decide: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4636.shtml --=[Russell's Quotes 1]=-- He that pursues two hares at once, does not catch one and lets t'other go. =[Russell's Quotes 2]= The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. --Benjamin Franklin --- http://www.TruthAboutWar.org What is freedom, really? See this great flash presentation: http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Fact or Fiction
On Friday 22 Oct 2004 05:31, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: John Wilson wrote: - snip John, I think you did a great job of summing it up. But one thing I have never seen talked about as a way to get a virus into a Linux system is to include it in an RPM. Lets face it, how many people actualy check the scripts that are run when an rpm is installed? Do you check that it is signed properly? (I know urpmi will check, but I also remember problem with package signitures talked about on the lists...) Remember, almost all RPMs are installed by root, so any scripts an RPM runs are also run by root. And all that is needed is to hack an update mirror site to infect a large number of machines... Which is why you should be extremely careful about any software that does not come from known and trusted sources. Reputable sources do have checks built in to make sure they start with safe packages and their boxes are not cracked. As always, the ultimate check is your own care and common sense. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Fact or Fiction
John, I think you did a great job of summing it up. But one thing I have never seen talked about as a way to get a virus into a Linux system is to include it in an RPM. Lets face it, how many people actualy check the scripts that are run when an rpm is installed? Do you check that it is signed properly? (I know urpmi will check, but I also remember problem with package signitures talked about on the lists...) Remember, almost all RPMs are installed by root, so any scripts an RPM runs are also run by root. And all that is needed is to hack an update mirror site to infect a large number of machines... Which is why you should be extremely careful about any software that does not come from known and trusted sources. Reputable sources do have checks built in to make sure they start with safe packages and their boxes are not cracked. As always, the ultimate check is your own care and common sense. Anne Which is the problem with most users on Microsoft. People either just install any program which offers itself to the user (what I just recently saw with one of our trainees in the office on her private laptop using XP) or they carefully select the programs. What I saw with MS is the threat that programs can easily execute itself over websites, an open port to many PCs and users which trust everyone and everything... ohh... a program so my pc runs faster, ok I install). It is much more difficult under Linux to get a program installed, especially if the sysop limits the right to execute files to the admin. Basically a PC is only as safe as the user is careful and it doesn't matter if you run windows or linux. And under Linux I am sure that the more user friendly Linux gets, the more people are using it and the more people are not really careful about the programs they install we will see an increase of viruses and especially trojan horses under Linux as well. However, and I am not an it-guy just a stupid user of linux (just as joe average ms user), I am sure that the linux community will be able to defend the os from viruses and trojan horses very effectively as long as the community develops the software and not a monopolistic company like MS (which is in my opinion the reason why windows is so vulnerable since ms reacts to slowly to developments which threaten their os). Anyway, what I wrote above might not make sense but I am just an agronomists who got bored with windows and has not that insight into software etc ;) Alex Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Fact or Fiction
John Wilson wrote: On October 21, 2004 04:11 pm, Elliot Somers wrote: This is a pretty general question, I've heard it said by one party that linux/unix is virus proof, other's say it's that virus authors go after the big guys, so MS, wintel servers, etc. What I want to know is what's true and what's not. Also I'm curious not only if it is, or not, but why? If there's any references you all know of to point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Elliot Goodness, here we go again. To a degree it's true that virus writers go after the big guys. It's also true that virus/trojan/spyware writers go after the easiest system to use to propagate their nasties and that also happens to be Windows. One, in fact the only, reason the crackers charge after Windows is that from 95 to XP Pro most windows boxes run in administrator mode or with administration rights widely given. Even when they are not things like adding new software default to that. Toss in Microsoft's much vaunted ease of use mantra which has led to VBA, scripting languages that operate system wide, browsers and email clients that happily install just about anything so that you won't have to trouble yourself about it. Oh...and browsers and email clients that will follow HTML code anywhere no matter where it goes. What all this boils down to is that a cracker can devise a simple program that will install itself on your Windows box without your so much as even knowing about it. Nice, eh? And Windows users have shown themselves the most undiciplined of surfers, well perhaps that title goes to AOL users, who will go to a web site and download any old crap, usually spyware, so they can get the video feeds of porn, stock tickers, latest prices of medicines or whatever. As for wintel servers on the internet they are a definite minority when compared to Linux, one of the BSDs or UNIX. But they are as easily breakable as the desktop Windows on which they're based and for the same reasons. Only a near total moron would put anything on a windows server on the internet these days and for good reason. Admittedly this is much simplifed and much understated, beleive it or not. Try Bugtraq or CERT is you want to know more. You might also want to google virus writing to see how much there actually is out there. Now, Linux, in common with almost all POSIX compliant software also has an administrators account and you can, if you want to, set up as insecure a system as any old Windows box. Responsible Linux distributions will insist that you have at least one regular user as well as root and will boot you in as that. Now it's possible for a virus to be written for Linux and it's been done. But, unlike the Windows situation, there is absolutely nothing that can be done in user space that overlaps with or conflicts with the root/system space. In short, a virus cannot propagate itself. Oh, it can mess up the user's home in short order but not the machine itself. Spyware can find out everything it wants about you but nothing at all about the root or any other user on the box. Nasties do exist for Linux but they are much further and fewer between than the almost daily attacks on Windows. And they are, in general, far easier to defend against. Also, it often takes less than 24 hours for a package to be fixed after a vulnerability is found, often before it's exploited, and the fix sent out. Compare that to the rather cavalier attitude of Micosoft to such things. ttfn John Wow! what a reply! :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Fact or Fiction
On Friday 22 Oct 2004 05:31, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: John Wilson wrote: - snip John, I think you did a great job of summing it up. But one thing I have never seen talked about as a way to get a virus into a Linux system is to include it in an RPM. Lets face it, how many people actualy check the scripts that are run when an rpm is installed? Do you check that it is signed properly? (I know urpmi will check, but I also remember problem with package signitures talked about on the lists...) Remember, almost all RPMs are installed by root, so any scripts an RPM runs are also run by root. And all that is needed is to hack an update mirror site to infect a large number of machines... Which is why you should be extremely careful about any software that does not come from known and trusted sources. Reputable sources do have checks built in to make sure they start with safe packages and their boxes are not cracked. As always, the ultimate check is your own care and common sense. Anne So how exactly does one safeguard against a trojan when installing an RPM? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Fact or Fiction
On Friday 22 Oct 2004 14:42, cervixcouch wrote: So how exactly does one safeguard against a trojan when installing an RPM? You don't install rpms from sources that are not well-known to be reputable - Mandrake mirrors, Sourceforge sites, PLF mirrors are OK, and there are others. If you don't know the site, ask on the lists whether others can vouch for it. Pretty straightforward, really. After all, if someone was wanting to put a Trojan into an rpm they could just as easily add a signature, so knowing your sources is the best safeguard. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Fact or Fiction
Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 22 Oct 2004 14:42, cervixcouch wrote: So how exactly does one safeguard against a trojan when installing an RPM? You don't install rpms from sources that are not well-known to be reputable - Mandrake mirrors, Sourceforge sites, PLF mirrors are OK, and there are others. If you don't know the site, ask on the lists whether others can vouch for it. Pretty straightforward, really. After all, if someone was wanting to put a Trojan into an rpm they could just as easily add a signature, so knowing your sources is the best safeguard. Anne One more thing,NEVER install Microsoft RPM's ! Grin! -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Fact or Fiction
On Friday 22 October 2004 12:56, Brandon Rife wrote: John Wilson wrote: On October 21, 2004 04:11 pm, Elliot Somers wrote: This is a pretty general question, I've heard it said by one party that linux/unix is virus proof, other's say it's that virus authors go after the big guys, so MS, wintel servers, etc. What I want to know is what's true and what's not. Also I'm curious not only if it is, or not, but why? If there's any references you all know of to point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Elliot Goodness, here we go again. To a degree it's true that virus writers go after the big guys. It's also true that virus/trojan/spyware writers go after the easiest system to use to propagate their nasties and that also happens to be Windows. One, in fact the only, reason the crackers charge after Windows is that from 95 to XP Pro most windows boxes run in administrator mode or with administration rights widely given. Even when they are not things like adding new software default to that. Toss in Microsoft's much vaunted ease of use mantra which has led to VBA, scripting languages that operate system wide, browsers and email clients that happily install just about anything so that you won't have to trouble yourself about it. Oh...and browsers and email clients that will follow HTML code anywhere no matter where it goes. What all this boils down to is that a cracker can devise a simple program that will install itself on your Windows box without your so much as even knowing about it. Nice, eh? And Windows users have shown themselves the most undiciplined of surfers, well perhaps that title goes to AOL users, who will go to a web site and download any old crap, usually spyware, so they can get the video feeds of porn, stock tickers, latest prices of medicines or whatever. As for wintel servers on the internet they are a definite minority when compared to Linux, one of the BSDs or UNIX. But they are as easily breakable as the desktop Windows on which they're based and for the same reasons. Only a near total moron would put anything on a windows server on the internet these days and for good reason. Admittedly this is much simplifed and much understated, beleive it or not. Try Bugtraq or CERT is you want to know more. You might also want to google virus writing to see how much there actually is out there. Now, Linux, in common with almost all POSIX compliant software also has an administrators account and you can, if you want to, set up as insecure a system as any old Windows box. Responsible Linux distributions will insist that you have at least one regular user as well as root and will boot you in as that. Now it's possible for a virus to be written for Linux and it's been done. But, unlike the Windows situation, there is absolutely nothing that can be done in user space that overlaps with or conflicts with the root/system space. In short, a virus cannot propagate itself. Oh, it can mess up the user's home in short order but not the machine itself. Spyware can find out everything it wants about you but nothing at all about the root or any other user on the box. Nasties do exist for Linux but they are much further and fewer between than the almost daily attacks on Windows. And they are, in general, far easier to defend against. Also, it often takes less than 24 hours for a package to be fixed after a vulnerability is found, often before it's exploited, and the fix sent out. Compare that to the rather cavalier attitude of Micosoft to such things. ttfn John Wow! what a reply! :) This is quite a good read http://www.theregister.co.uk/security/security_report_windows_vs_linux/ derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Fact or Fiction
cervixcouch wrote: So how exactly does one safeguard against a trojan when installing an RPM? Check the signiture of the RPM, to be sure it is realy from the source you think it is. You can also look at the file list, and the scripts that are run when installing, removing, ect. I use Midnight Commander (mc) to look at what is in the RPM, and rpm --checksig rpm name to verify the RPM. urpmi also checks the signiture, and asks you about installing if it doesn't match. (Not sure what it does if they do not match when running in the auto mode.) You do have to make sure your keys are kept up to date. If you are building from a source RPM, check the .spec file to see what scripts it runs, as well as checking the source. Build as a normal user, and not root. Most .spec files are written to allow this. (You do not have to build as root for the files in the RPM to be owned by root when installed.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Fact or Fiction
On October 22, 2004 10:54, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: cervixcouch wrote: So how exactly does one safeguard against a trojan when installing an RPM? Check the signiture of the RPM, to be sure it is realy from the source you think it is. You can also look at the file list, and the scripts that are run when installing, removing, ect. I use Midnight Commander (mc) to look at what is in the RPM, and rpm --checksig rpm name to verify the RPM. urpmi also checks the signiture, and asks you about installing if it doesn't match. (Not sure what it does if they do not match when running in the auto mode.) You do have to make sure your keys are kept up to date. ... Mikkel This is interesting, given the oft-repeated advice on this list to ignore the urpmi warnings about signatures not matching and install anyway! The signature check is there for a reason, to detect tampering (by someone other than the package distributer of course, since they can tamper with it and still sign it). The only way someone other that the distributor can tamper with a package without setting off the warning is by cracking the host and obtaining the private signing key. Of course, if you don't have the correct keys installed, you get this warning for everything. This is part of the safeguard - you first have to make an explicit decision to trust the key by installing it. But if you take the lazy way out and just hit y for every signature warning, you are leaving yourself open to tampering. If you are obtaining rpms from a site other than the standard ones (for which the keys are pre-installed), in addition to checking the reputation of the distributor, you should insist on a key from them for you to install, such as the one our friendly neighbourhood Charles Edwards provides. Also insist that all the packages be signed using that key. Of course, you have to trust that the key hasn't been tampered with as well. The really paranoid among us rely on key signatures exchanged by some other channel, such as telephone, to verify a key before installing it. It's kind of like Spy vs. Spy. -- Ron Hunter-Duvar ronhd at users dot sourceforge dot net Opinions expressed here are all mine. Rights to use these opinions are granted under the GNU GPL. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Fact or Fiction
On Friday 22 October 2004 23:27, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: Of course, you have to trust that the key hasn't been tampered with as well. The really paranoid among us rely on key signatures exchanged by some other channel, such as telephone, to verify a key before installing it. The really paranoid under us prefer source packages and skim through them before compiling and installing..binaries require trust! -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Linux Fact or Fiction
This is a pretty general question, I've heard it said by one party that linux/unix is virus proof, other's say it's that virus authors go after the big guys, so MS, wintel servers, etc. What I want to know is what's true and what's not. Also I'm curious not only if it is, or not, but why? If there's any references you all know of to point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Elliot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Fact or Fiction
On October 21, 2004 04:11 pm, Elliot Somers wrote: This is a pretty general question, I've heard it said by one party that linux/unix is virus proof, other's say it's that virus authors go after the big guys, so MS, wintel servers, etc. What I want to know is what's true and what's not. Also I'm curious not only if it is, or not, but why? If there's any references you all know of to point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Elliot Goodness, here we go again. To a degree it's true that virus writers go after the big guys. It's also true that virus/trojan/spyware writers go after the easiest system to use to propagate their nasties and that also happens to be Windows. One, in fact the only, reason the crackers charge after Windows is that from 95 to XP Pro most windows boxes run in administrator mode or with administration rights widely given. Even when they are not things like adding new software default to that. Toss in Microsoft's much vaunted ease of use mantra which has led to VBA, scripting languages that operate system wide, browsers and email clients that happily install just about anything so that you won't have to trouble yourself about it. Oh...and browsers and email clients that will follow HTML code anywhere no matter where it goes. What all this boils down to is that a cracker can devise a simple program that will install itself on your Windows box without your so much as even knowing about it. Nice, eh? And Windows users have shown themselves the most undiciplined of surfers, well perhaps that title goes to AOL users, who will go to a web site and download any old crap, usually spyware, so they can get the video feeds of porn, stock tickers, latest prices of medicines or whatever. As for wintel servers on the internet they are a definite minority when compared to Linux, one of the BSDs or UNIX. But they are as easily breakable as the desktop Windows on which they're based and for the same reasons. Only a near total moron would put anything on a windows server on the internet these days and for good reason. Admittedly this is much simplifed and much understated, beleive it or not. Try Bugtraq or CERT is you want to know more. You might also want to google virus writing to see how much there actually is out there. Now, Linux, in common with almost all POSIX compliant software also has an administrators account and you can, if you want to, set up as insecure a system as any old Windows box. Responsible Linux distributions will insist that you have at least one regular user as well as root and will boot you in as that. Now it's possible for a virus to be written for Linux and it's been done. But, unlike the Windows situation, there is absolutely nothing that can be done in user space that overlaps with or conflicts with the root/system space. In short, a virus cannot propagate itself. Oh, it can mess up the user's home in short order but not the machine itself. Spyware can find out everything it wants about you but nothing at all about the root or any other user on the box. Nasties do exist for Linux but they are much further and fewer between than the almost daily attacks on Windows. And they are, in general, far easier to defend against. Also, it often takes less than 24 hours for a package to be fixed after a vulnerability is found, often before it's exploited, and the fix sent out. Compare that to the rather cavalier attitude of Micosoft to such things. ttfn John -- *** Composed on a 100% Microsoft Free Computer Guaranteed Virus Free Mandrake Linux 10.0 OE Registered Linux User 362316 *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Fact or Fiction
John Wilson wrote: - snip Now, Linux, in common with almost all POSIX compliant software also has an administrators account and you can, if you want to, set up as insecure a system as any old Windows box. Responsible Linux distributions will insist that you have at least one regular user as well as root and will boot you in as that. Now it's possible for a virus to be written for Linux and it's been done. But, unlike the Windows situation, there is absolutely nothing that can be done in user space that overlaps with or conflicts with the root/system space. In short, a virus cannot propagate itself. Oh, it can mess up the user's home in short order but not the machine itself. Spyware can find out everything it wants about you but nothing at all about the root or any other user on the box. Nasties do exist for Linux but they are much further and fewer between than the almost daily attacks on Windows. And they are, in general, far easier to defend against. Also, it often takes less than 24 hours for a package to be fixed after a vulnerability is found, often before it's exploited, and the fix sent out. Compare that to the rather cavalier attitude of Micosoft to such things. ttfn John John, I think you did a great job of summing it up. But one thing I have never seen talked about as a way to get a virus into a Linux system is to include it in an RPM. Lets face it, how many people actualy check the scripts that are run when an rpm is installed? Do you check that it is signed properly? (I know urpmi will check, but I also remember problem with package signitures talked about on the lists...) Remember, almost all RPMs are installed by root, so any scripts an RPM runs are also run by root. And all that is needed is to hack an update mirror site to infect a large number of machines... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux connecting to a ms sql server
Hey en php.net encontre info que te sera de gran ayuda... http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.mssql.php El mar, 14-09-2004 a las 02:24, Avi Schwartz escribi: Jeb Barger wrote: Ok, I was working on this most of the day today, and there has got to be a better way. I am converting a webapp to Mandrake 10 using php, however, it still needs to connect to the microsoft sql server. Is there an easy way to do this? Articles I have read, suggest using a piece that converts the odbc connection to xml, and using php to connect that way. I am new to linux, and I know there has to be a better way. Any suggestions? It all depends whether MDK built PHP with freetds. If it was, when you should be able to access SQL Server directly from PHP like any other database. If not, then you will have to compile PHP yourself. Check http://www.freetds.org/ for more information. BTW, you have set reply-to in your mailer which screws up replies to the list. Please remove it from you kmail settings. Avi Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Linux connecting to a ms sql server
Ok, I was working on this most of the day today, and there has got to be a better way. I am converting a webapp to Mandrake 10 using php, however, it still needs to connect to the microsoft sql server. Is there an easy way to do this? Articles I have read, suggest using a piece that converts the odbc connection to xml, and using php to connect that way. I am new to linux, and I know there has to be a better way. Any suggestions? Jeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux connecting to a ms sql server
Jeb Barger wrote: Ok, I was working on this most of the day today, and there has got to be a better way. I am converting a webapp to Mandrake 10 using php, however, it still needs to connect to the microsoft sql server. Is there an easy way to do this? Articles I have read, suggest using a piece that converts the odbc connection to xml, and using php to connect that way. I am new to linux, and I know there has to be a better way. Any suggestions? It all depends whether MDK built PHP with freetds. If it was, when you should be able to access SQL Server directly from PHP like any other database. If not, then you will have to compile PHP yourself. Check http://www.freetds.org/ for more information. BTW, you have set reply-to in your mailer which screws up replies to the list. Please remove it from you kmail settings. Avi Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
