Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 and ppp 242 update?
Perhaps, you could get all you want at that link: http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/1/start/4 Pierre Le Jeudi 7 Août 2003 19:45, m.canada a écrit : Does anyone know if I can get an update to ppp for Mandrake 9.0? I would like to get ppp-2.4.2, but can't seem to locate it anywhere. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 9.0 and ppp 242 update?
Does anyone know if I can get an update to ppp for Mandrake 9.0? I would like to get ppp-2.4.2, but can't seem to locate it anywhere. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks...
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 on M787CL+ mainboard
On Wednesday March 26 2003 11:27 pm, Irfan Khan wrote: based on what i read at http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2002-09/msg05544.php my understanding is that the M787CL+ reports itself to be a i686 class machine and Mandrake puts in glibc package optimized for i686. only if there is a way to stop this and let Mandrake use glibc for i586. i guess that Mandrake 9.1 may have corrected this, but i cannot download 690+ MB ISOs at the moment. is there some way that Mandrake 9.0 is forced to use glibc for i586? irfan Actually Via-Cyrix cpu's are an i586/i486 combo. http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/errata.php3 and click on the link Problems installing on VIA C3 processor -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 on M787CL+ mainboard
On Thursday 27 Mar 2003 3:07 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday March 26 2003 11:27 pm, Irfan Khan wrote: based on what i read at http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2002-09/msg05544.php my understanding is that the M787CL+ reports itself to be a i686 class machine and Mandrake puts in glibc package optimized for i686. only if there is a way to stop this and let Mandrake use glibc for i586. i guess that Mandrake 9.1 may have corrected this, but i cannot download 690+ MB ISOs at the moment. is there some way that Mandrake 9.0 is forced to use glibc for i586? irfan Actually Via-Cyrix cpu's are an i586/i486 combo. http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/errata.php3 and click on the link Problems installing on VIA C3 processor I just tested it today. Mandrake 9.1 installs on a Via C3 OK The i686 libraries are installed, so I suppose it must install a version compiled to not use the offending 'CMOV' instruction. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 on M787CL+ mainboard
--- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually Via-Cyrix cpu's are an i586/i486 combo. http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/errata.php3 and click on the link Problems installing on VIA C3 processor -- tom, thanks for writing. i had already tried the method (floppy boot + remove i686 directory) without any success :-( irfan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 9.0 on M787CL+ mainboard
I am facing problems in installing Mandrake 9.0 (I don't have 9.1) on a PCChips M787CL+ mainboard [http://www.pcchips.com.tw/M787cl+v30.html ] with 256 MB RAM, and 40 GB IDE harddisk. The following error appears: error in exec of stage2 :-( trying to execute '/usr/bin/runinstall2' from the installation volume, the following fatal error occurred FATA ERROR IN STAGE1: Not a directory The CDs and the ISO images are fine (MD5 checked). Moreover Knoppix 3.1 boots without any problem, hence no problem with the hardware as such. A Google search revealed that a similar problem was reported for VIA Epia 700 C3 mainboard at http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2002-09/msg05544.php I tried to follow some of the tips, but without any success :( Has anyone on this forum tried installing Mandrake 9.0 on M787CL+ mainboard? Is there any method through which 9.0 may be installed? Irfan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 on M787CL+ mainboard
On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 06:02, Irfan Khan wrote: I am facing problems in installing Mandrake 9.0 (I don't have 9.1) on a PCChips M787CL+ mainboard [http://www.pcchips.com.tw/M787cl+v30.html ] with 256 MB RAM, and 40 GB IDE harddisk. The following error appears: error in exec of stage2 :-( trying to execute '/usr/bin/runinstall2' from the installation volume, the following fatal error occurred FATA ERROR IN STAGE1: Not a directory The CDs and the ISO images are fine (MD5 checked). Moreover Knoppix 3.1 boots without any problem, hence no problem with the hardware as such. A Google search revealed that a similar problem was reported for VIA Epia 700 C3 mainboard at http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2002-09/msg05544.php I tried to follow some of the tips, but without any success :( Has anyone on this forum tried installing Mandrake 9.0 on M787CL+ mainboard? Is there any method through which 9.0 may be installed? Irfan Irfan, are you passing any parameters to the kernel when you're doing the installation? What is your partition table setup - that's going to help alot - and if you can tell us what size partitions you're using for the installation - that would help heaps as well, mate...Cheers! -- Thu Mar 27 09:15:00 EST 2003 09:15:00 up 5 days, 20:02, 3 users, load average: 1.19, 1.15, 1.17 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** No manual is ever necessary. May I politely interject here: BULLSHIT. That's the biggest Apple lie of all! (Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of interfaces.) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 on M787CL+ mainboard
--- Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 06:02, Irfan Khan wrote: I am facing problems in installing Mandrake 9.0 (I don't have 9.1) on a PCChips M787CL+ mainboard [http://www.pcchips.com.tw/M787cl+v30.html ] with 256 MB RAM, and 40 GB IDE harddisk. The following error appears: error in exec of stage2 :-( trying to execute '/usr/bin/runinstall2' from the installation volume, the following fatal error occurred FATA ERROR IN STAGE1: Not a directory The CDs and the ISO images are fine (MD5 checked). Moreover Knoppix 3.1 boots without any problem, hence no problem with the hardware as such. A Google search revealed that a similar problem was reported for VIA Epia 700 C3 mainboard at http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2002-09/msg05544.php I tried to follow some of the tips, but without any success :( Has anyone on this forum tried installing Mandrake 9.0 on M787CL+ mainboard? Is there any method through which 9.0 may be installed? Irfan Irfan, are you passing any parameters to the kernel when you're doing the installation? What is your partition table setup - that's going to help alot - and if you can tell us what size partitions you're using for the installation - that would help heaps as well, mate...Cheers! my first few installation attempts were quite 'normal': i inserted Mandrake 9.0 CD#1, and started the computer. a graphical screen appears [F1 for more options; enter to install...]. after a few seconds, it displays Please Wait | Loading program into memory with a progress bar, and then an error occurs in the very beginning: error in exec of stage2 :-( trying to execute '/usr/bin/runinstall2' from the installation volume, the following fatal error occurred FATA ERROR IN STAGE1: Not a directory i have reasons to believe that the harddisk is not a problem here; the problem occurs much before it could ask me to partition/format the disk. based on what i read at http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2002-09/msg05544.php my understanding is that the M787CL+ reports itself to be a i686 class machine and Mandrake puts in glibc package optimized for i686. only if there is a way to stop this and let Mandrake use glibc for i586. i guess that Mandrake 9.1 may have corrected this, but i cannot download 690+ MB ISOs at the moment. is there some way that Mandrake 9.0 is forced to use glibc for i586? irfan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 9.0 launcher errors, possible corruption...
For some of you, this will be an easy question. I've been using Mandrake 9 for a few weeks. Yesterday, something happened that corrupted my root user preferences, and I can't determine how to fix this. 1) Under root log in, no apps will launch in KDE or Enlightenment from the menu / icon buttons. This happened suddenly. Core dumps every time I try. Under another user on this same install, *no problems* 2) The following shows in the system logs and .Xsession errors: ** ERROR **: First `engine' section must include a `stock' section. aborting... This shows for any application I try to launch from KDE menu. Not even harddrake can launch. From the command line, the same prints at STDOUT. I've done all the obvious things, like remove those hidden files in /root that have anything to do with KDE (or X in general) No luck. This is not system-wide screw-up; only one user on my system is hindered in any way. So, I ask: a) What sort of files could be corrupted for a given user? b) If that user is root, is there any way of getting back vanilla files, short of re-installing to whole system? For a regular user, I could just run adduser, get stuff from /etc/skel, manually do a new group/user id. But for root... I couldn't remove the root user. Could I? c) Why would something like this affect kde? xmms was the first thing to go, But I was able to run this under GNOME, as root. What kde-specific prefs could be screwed for a particular user? I've seen several posts on this problem across the internet. Either the question was ignored, or flamed in a rude way. Thank you for any leads! -John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
R: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Install on SCSI
A I wrote I tried that way but I had the message Insmod failed maybe 'cause I missed feeding it his parameters which I don't know anything about. Thanks Leonardo. -Messaggio originale- Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di darklord Inviato: martedì 18 marzo 2003 23.40 A: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oggetto: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Install on SCSI On Tuesday 18 March 2003 10:50 am, Leonardo Diciolla wrote: Sorry, actually It was Mandrake 9.0 instead of RH 8.0 (even though had a similar issue) --- Leonardo Diciolla [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha Hi Leonardo - I had problems getting an Adaptec SCSI card to work with a Shuttle motherboard here, and although I finally gave up and moved the SCSI setup to another motherboard, I was told that during installation, you must pick expert and try to get the install to pick another SCSI driver. Apparently, mine was always picking the wrong one during installation and the install would always fail. Do a search on the mailing list archives for SCSI and you should find the threads about it. Hope this helps. :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Install on SCSI
Hi everybody, It's the first time I try to install RH 8.0 on my machine that has the following HW: M/B: Soyo SY RX400 Ultra Platinum Edtion w/embedded HPT372 Ide Raid and a 80 gb hd on it SCSI Card: Tekram DC390 U2W with the following drives: (LUN 0) IBM 9.1 gb (LUN 2) Toshiba CD-ROM XM-640 (LUN 3) CD Burner Yamaha CRW4416S While detecting devices it happens that after correct detection of HPT372 starts looping forever on the SCSI Controller with a message that roughly says: Sym53c8xx: The SCSI bus has been reset. Looked on the NET but the only thing I could find is that the SCSI table maight be worn out. That's not my case 'cause it works correclty under Win2K/XP, in addition it also correclty detected by KNOPPIX live cdrom linux (it loads NCR53C8XX instead of SYM53C8XX. So I tryed installing from floppy using the cdrom.img that I found on the errata section of MDK site (wich loads floppy.o) and tryed loading the ncr53c8xx that I compiled before as a module. I didn't give any parameter to the module and had the message that Insmod failed. driver. What else am I supposed to do? Thanks in advance. Leonardo Diciolla Attachments: Desg.txt (dmesg output from KNOPPIX Linux box) Pci.txt (Copy of /proc/pci from KNOPPIX linux box) __ Yahoo! Cellulari: loghi, suonerie, picture message per il tuo telefonino http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mobile.yahoo.com/index2002.htmlPCI devices found: Bus 0, device 0, function 0: Host bridge: PCI device 1106:3168 (VIA Technologies, Inc.) (rev 3). Master Capable. Latency=8. Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe000 [0xe3ff]. Bus 0, device 1, function 0: PCI bridge: PCI device 1106:b168 (VIA Technologies, Inc.) (rev 0). Master Capable. No bursts. Min Gnt=12. Bus 0, device 8, function 0: SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic (formerly NCR) 53c895 (rev 1). IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=32. Min Gnt=30.Max Lat=64. I/O at 0xb000 [0xb0ff]. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe812 [0xe81200ff]. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe8123000 [0xe8123fff]. Bus 0, device 10, function 0: Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics Venus Modem (V90, 56KFlex) (rev 0). IRQ 5. Master Capable. No bursts. Min Gnt=252.Max Lat=14. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe8121000 [0xe81210ff]. I/O at 0xb400 [0xb4ff]. I/O at 0xb800 [0xb8ff]. I/O at 0xbc00 [0xbc07]. Bus 0, device 13, function 0: Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C (rev 16). IRQ 5. Master Capable. Latency=32. Min Gnt=32.Max Lat=64. I/O at 0xc000 [0xc0ff]. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe8122000 [0xe81220ff]. Bus 0, device 14, function 0: Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 16). IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=32. Min Gnt=2.Max Lat=24. I/O at 0xc400 [0xc4ff]. Bus 0, device 15, function 0: RAID bus controller: Triones Technologies, Inc. HPT366 / HPT370 (rev 5). IRQ 10. Master Capable. Latency=120. Min Gnt=8.Max Lat=8. I/O at 0xc800 [0xc807]. I/O at 0xcc00 [0xcc03]. I/O at 0xd000 [0xd007]. I/O at 0xd400 [0xd403]. I/O at 0xd800 [0xd8ff]. Bus 0, device 16, function 0: USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 128). IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=32. I/O at 0xdc00 [0xdc1f]. Bus 0, device 16, function 1: USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (#2) (rev 128). IRQ 10. Master Capable. Latency=32. I/O at 0xe000 [0xe01f]. Bus 0, device 16, function 2: USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (#3) (rev 128). IRQ 5. Master Capable. Latency=32. I/O at 0xe400 [0xe41f]. Bus 0, device 16, function 3: USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 130). IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=32. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe8124000 [0xe81240ff]. Bus 0, device 17, function 0: ISA bridge: PCI device 1106:3177 (VIA Technologies, Inc.) (rev 0). Bus 0, device 17, function 1: IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 6). Master Capable. Latency=32. I/O at 0xe800 [0xe80f]. Bus 1, device 0, function 0: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS (rev 0). IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=32. Min Gnt=8. Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe400 [0xe7ff]. I/O at 0xa000 [0xa0ff]. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe802 [0xe8023fff]. Linux version 2.4.19-xfs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)) #1 SMP Son Okt 6 20:14:17 CEST 2002 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820:
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Install on SCSI
Sorry, actually It was Mandrake 9.0 instead of RH 8.0 (even though had a similar issue) --- Leonardo Diciolla [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hi everybody, It's the first time I try to install RH 8.0 on my machine that has the following HW: M/B: Soyo SY RX400 Ultra Platinum Edtion w/embedded HPT372 Ide Raid and a 80 gb hd on it SCSI Card: Tekram DC390 U2W with the following drives: (LUN 0) IBM 9.1 gb (LUN 2) Toshiba CD-ROM XM-640 (LUN 3) CD Burner Yamaha CRW4416S While detecting devices it happens that after correct detection of HPT372 starts looping forever on the SCSI Controller with a message that roughly says: Sym53c8xx: The SCSI bus has been reset. Looked on the NET but the only thing I could find is that the SCSI table maight be worn out. That's not my case 'cause it works correclty under Win2K/XP, in addition it also correclty detected by KNOPPIX live cdrom linux (it loads NCR53C8XX instead of SYM53C8XX. So I tryed installing from floppy using the cdrom.img that I found on the errata section of MDK site (wich loads floppy.o) and tryed loading the ncr53c8xx that I compiled before as a module. I didn't give any parameter to the module and had the message that Insmod failed. driver. What else am I supposed to do? Thanks in advance. Leonardo Diciolla Attachments: Desg.txt (dmesg output from KNOPPIX Linux box) Pci.txt (Copy of /proc/pci from KNOPPIX linux box) __ Yahoo! Cellulari: loghi, suonerie, picture message per il tuo telefonino http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mobile.yahoo.com/index2002.html PCI devices found: Bus 0, device 0, function 0: Host bridge: PCI device 1106:3168 (VIA Technologies, Inc.) (rev 3). Master Capable. Latency=8. Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe000 [0xe3ff]. Bus 0, device 1, function 0: PCI bridge: PCI device 1106:b168 (VIA Technologies, Inc.) (rev 0). Master Capable. No bursts. Min Gnt=12. Bus 0, device 8, function 0: SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic (formerly NCR) 53c895 (rev 1). IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=32. Min Gnt=30.Max Lat=64. I/O at 0xb000 [0xb0ff]. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe812 [0xe81200ff]. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe8123000 [0xe8123fff]. Bus 0, device 10, function 0: Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics Venus Modem (V90, 56KFlex) (rev 0). IRQ 5. Master Capable. No bursts. Min Gnt=252.Max Lat=14. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe8121000 [0xe81210ff]. I/O at 0xb400 [0xb4ff]. I/O at 0xb800 [0xb8ff]. I/O at 0xbc00 [0xbc07]. Bus 0, device 13, function 0: Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C (rev 16). IRQ 5. Master Capable. Latency=32. Min Gnt=32.Max Lat=64. I/O at 0xc000 [0xc0ff]. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe8122000 [0xe81220ff]. Bus 0, device 14, function 0: Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 16). IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=32. Min Gnt=2.Max Lat=24. I/O at 0xc400 [0xc4ff]. Bus 0, device 15, function 0: RAID bus controller: Triones Technologies, Inc. HPT366 / HPT370 (rev 5). IRQ 10. Master Capable. Latency=120. Min Gnt=8.Max Lat=8. I/O at 0xc800 [0xc807]. I/O at 0xcc00 [0xcc03]. I/O at 0xd000 [0xd007]. I/O at 0xd400 [0xd403]. I/O at 0xd800 [0xd8ff]. Bus 0, device 16, function 0: USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 128). IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=32. I/O at 0xdc00 [0xdc1f]. Bus 0, device 16, function 1: USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (#2) (rev 128). IRQ 10. Master Capable. Latency=32. I/O at 0xe000 [0xe01f]. Bus 0, device 16, function 2: USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (#3) (rev 128). IRQ 5. Master Capable. Latency=32. I/O at 0xe400 [0xe41f]. Bus 0, device 16, function 3: USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 130). IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=32. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe8124000 [0xe81240ff]. Bus 0, device 17, function 0: ISA bridge: PCI device 1106:3177 (VIA Technologies, Inc.) (rev 0). Bus 0, device 17, function 1: IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 6). Master Capable. Latency=32. I/O at 0xe800 [0xe80f]. Bus 1, device 0, function 0: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS (rev 0). IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=32. Min Gnt=8. Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe400
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Install on SCSI
On Tuesday 18 March 2003 10:50 am, Leonardo Diciolla wrote: Sorry, actually It was Mandrake 9.0 instead of RH 8.0 (even though had a similar issue) --- Leonardo Diciolla [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha Hi Leonardo - I had problems getting an Adaptec SCSI card to work with a Shuttle motherboard here, and although I finally gave up and moved the SCSI setup to another motherboard, I was told that during installation, you must pick expert and try to get the install to pick another SCSI driver. Apparently, mine was always picking the wrong one during installation and the install would always fail. Do a search on the mailing list archives for SCSI and you should find the threads about it. Hope this helps. :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing
Thanks to everyone for your help concerning this subject. -- Marshall Lake -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mlake.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 03:47, Eileen Lopp wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marshall Lake Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 7:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing I have version 9.0 of Mandrake. My hardware is an HP Media Center 873n. I'm having a problem getting Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 to co-exist. I understand it's better to have Windows already installed when you try to install Mandrake. Is this correct? During the Mandrake installation process at disk partitioning time I have three choices (paraphrasing): 1. Erase entire disk. 2. Use the free space on a Windows partition. 3. Custom partitioning. The biggest problem here is that you're using an HP-provided disk to install XP. HP ships restore or recovery disks, not install disks with their systems. You aren't actually installing XP with that disk, you're copying a drive image, which is why you don't get any options when running it. Contact HP support and demand a real install disk -- they'll send one if you insist on it. Failing that,it's probably worth investing in Partition Magic - makes it simple to resize and shift XP partitions around and convert a data partition from NTFS to FAT32 so that it's writable from Linux. Have the space above the XP partitions Unallocated and install Mandrake 9.0 in the unallocated space. Install LILO boot loader and you should be able to boot to XP or to Linux OK. -- Douglas B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing
Hi Just a quick note! Although partition magic is extremely powerful and easy to use, it can cost you a buck or two. There are many alternative including 'line command' option which you can find instructions to in WinXP help. Also try Kazaa for partition magic (if I dare suggest that). Good luck Oren -Original Message- From: Douglas B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 March 2003 10:45 To: Beginners' Mailing List Subject: RE: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 03:47, Eileen Lopp wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marshall Lake Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 7:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing I have version 9.0 of Mandrake. My hardware is an HP Media Center 873n. I'm having a problem getting Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 to co-exist. I understand it's better to have Windows already installed when you try to install Mandrake. Is this correct? During the Mandrake installation process at disk partitioning time I have three choices (paraphrasing): 1. Erase entire disk. 2. Use the free space on a Windows partition. 3. Custom partitioning. The biggest problem here is that you're using an HP-provided disk to install XP. HP ships restore or recovery disks, not install disks with their systems. You aren't actually installing XP with that disk, you're copying a drive image, which is why you don't get any options when running it. Contact HP support and demand a real install disk -- they'll send one if you insist on it. Failing that,it's probably worth investing in Partition Magic - makes it simple to resize and shift XP partitions around and convert a data partition from NTFS to FAT32 so that it's writable from Linux. Have the space above the XP partitions Unallocated and install Mandrake 9.0 in the unallocated space. Install LILO boot loader and you should be able to boot to XP or to Linux OK. -- Douglas B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email Disclaimer This email has been sent from KPMG LLP, a UK limited liability partnership, or from one of the companies within its control (which include KPMG Audit Plc , KPMG United Kingdom Plc and KPMG UK Limited). The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 22:29, Tsur, Oren wrote: Hi Just a quick note! Although partition magic is extremely powerful and easy to use, it can cost you a buck or two. There are many alternative including 'line command' option which you can find instructions to in WinXP help. Also try Kazaa for partition magic (if I dare suggest that). Good luck Oren There are demo versions of Partition Magic floating around - you can always try the PowerQuest website for it - luckily, I've got Partition Magic complete sets from version 3 upwards to version 8 (grin) - just the luck of the industry I'm in, I reckon... -- Fri Mar 14 22:50:00 EST 2003 22:50:00 up 4:20, 4 users, load average: 0.45, 0.45, 0.47 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** And remember: Evil will always prevail, because Good is dumb. -- Spaceballs Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing
Stephen Kuhn wrote: There are demo versions of Partition Magic floating around - you can always try the PowerQuest website for it - luckily, I've got Partition Magic complete sets from version 3 upwards to version 8 (grin) - just the luck of the industry I'm in, I reckon... and there's a shareware offering (a work-a-like) called 'Bootit NG'. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ -- Alan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Recall: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing
And by the way, I own the patent on that folder-and-envelope metaphor for filesystems, so if any of you use it anywhere else, I'll sue your asses ;-) Yeah, that was a very good explanation - I'd offer a twist - the pages are stored in a number of different 'subject' folders, which are of course directories. The only difference with Windows is that oftentimes your maths homework pages end up being put in the folder for psychology :). Of course, the OS can find it in the right folder, but only after rummaging through all the pages that tell it where to look. That's the File Allocation Table (FAT) in Windows. It's reminding me of a story I read as a child where the kids were trying to help Mommy by washing all the cans in the pantry -- when after a while they found out all the labels were gone from the cans. Dutifully, they tried to reglue the labels, but of course that didn't help. :) Sir Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing
I have version 9.0 of Mandrake. My hardware is an HP Media Center 873n. I'm having a problem getting Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 to co-exist. I understand it's better to have Windows already installed when you try to install Mandrake. Is this correct? During the Mandrake installation process at disk partitioning time I have three choices (paraphrasing): 1. Erase entire disk. 2. Use the free space on a Windows partition. 3. Custom partitioning. Selecting option 2 fails. If I select option 3 Mandrake installs all right but trying to boot XP afterwards fails. From the little investigation I've done it seems that maybe I should be installing Windows into a small partition to begin with. But I don't see that the Windows installation process allows me to do that. Another possibility is shrinking the Windows partition before trying to install Mandrake. I'm completely Microsoft and Windows ignorant. Is there a freeware program that will allow me to shrink the Windows partition? Besides the above possibilities, is there something else I can do? -- Marshall Lake -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mlake.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing
Hi I am no expert so if this look like rubbish to you please ignore... If you install through 'expert' you should be able to partition your disk (using diskdrak - or was it the other way around). After resizing your windows partition you should be able to install mandrake no problems. See the Demos on the Mandrake-Linux site http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/demos/ They are really helpful! Oren -Original Message- From: Marshall Lake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 March 2003 15:06 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing I have version 9.0 of Mandrake. My hardware is an HP Media Center 873n. I'm having a problem getting Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 to co-exist. I understand it's better to have Windows already installed when you try to install Mandrake. Is this correct? During the Mandrake installation process at disk partitioning time I have three choices (paraphrasing): 1. Erase entire disk. 2. Use the free space on a Windows partition. 3. Custom partitioning. Selecting option 2 fails. If I select option 3 Mandrake installs all right but trying to boot XP afterwards fails. From the little investigation I've done it seems that maybe I should be installing Windows into a small partition to begin with. But I don't see that the Windows installation process allows me to do that. Another possibility is shrinking the Windows partition before trying to install Mandrake. I'm completely Microsoft and Windows ignorant. Is there a freeware program that will allow me to shrink the Windows partition? Besides the above possibilities, is there something else I can do? -- Marshall Lake -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mlake.net Email Disclaimer This email has been sent from KPMG LLP, a UK limited liability partnership, or from one of the companies within its control (which include KPMG Audit Plc , KPMG United Kingdom Plc and KPMG UK Limited). The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing
Hi I am no expert so if this look like rubbish to you please ignore... If you install through 'expert' you should be able to partition your disk (using diskdrak - or was it the other way around). After resizing your windows partition you should be able to install mandrake no problems. See the Demos on the Mandrake-Linux site http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/demos/ They are really helpful! Oren -Original Message- From: Marshall Lake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 March 2003 15:06 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing I have version 9.0 of Mandrake. My hardware is an HP Media Center 873n. I'm having a problem getting Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 to co-exist. I understand it's better to have Windows already installed when you try to install Mandrake. Is this correct? During the Mandrake installation process at disk partitioning time I have three choices (paraphrasing): 1. Erase entire disk. 2. Use the free space on a Windows partition. 3. Custom partitioning. Selecting option 2 fails. If I select option 3 Mandrake installs all right but trying to boot XP afterwards fails. From the little investigation I've done it seems that maybe I should be installing Windows into a small partition to begin with. But I don't see that the Windows installation process allows me to do that. Another possibility is shrinking the Windows partition before trying to install Mandrake. I'm completely Microsoft and Windows ignorant. Is there a freeware program that will allow me to shrink the Windows partition? Besides the above possibilities, is there something else I can do? -- Marshall Lake -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mlake.net Email Disclaimer This email has been sent from KPMG LLP, a UK limited liability partnership, or from one of the companies within its control (which include KPMG Audit Plc , KPMG United Kingdom Plc and KPMG UK Limited). The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Recall: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing
Tsur, Oren would like to recall the message, [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing. Email Disclaimer This email has been sent from KPMG LLP, a UK limited liability partnership, or from one of the companies within its control (which include KPMG Audit Plc , KPMG United Kingdom Plc and KPMG UK Limited). The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing
I am not all that Linux saavy, but I do knwo a thing or two about Windows. Since it looks like you need to reinstall XP anyways, you may want to start from there. During XP setup you can delete existing partitions and then instead of installing XP to an empty unpartitioned hard drive (which will automatically claim the entire drive for you in a single partition) you can create a partitoin and specify its size, and then install there. Once you do that your options when installing Mandrake seem to open up and getting Mandrake onto the remaining space is quite easy. This is how I installed Mandrake over XP and it worked fine. B Marshall Lake wrote: I have version 9.0 of Mandrake. My hardware is an HP Media Center 873n. I'm having a problem getting Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 to co-exist. I understand it's better to have Windows already installed when you try to install Mandrake. Is this correct? During the Mandrake installation process at disk partitioning time I have three choices (paraphrasing): 1. Erase entire disk. 2. Use the free space on a Windows partition. 3. Custom partitioning. Selecting option 2 fails. If I select option 3 Mandrake installs all right but trying to boot XP afterwards fails. From the little investigation I've done it seems that maybe I should be installing Windows into a small partition to begin with. But I don't see that the Windows installation process allows me to do that. Another possibility is shrinking the Windows partition before trying to install Mandrake. I'm completely Microsoft and Windows ignorant. Is there a freeware program that will allow me to shrink the Windows partition? Besides the above possibilities, is there something else I can do? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing
Marshall Lake wrote: Besides the above possibilities, is there something else I can do? fips will reduce a fat32. do not know about other oos type. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . =+= think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send email: text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code attachments. =+= if you are proud to be an american, then buy made in america. =+= Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 02:05, Marshall Lake wrote: I have version 9.0 of Mandrake. My hardware is an HP Media Center 873n. I'm having a problem getting Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 to co-exist. I understand it's better to have Windows already installed when you try to install Mandrake. Is this correct? By far, installing Windows and making sure it's on a FAT32 partition is the best choice for compatibility and sharing data between the two OS's. By installing XP first (or any version of Winblows thereof) you're at least making sure that it's not going to frig up your partition tables - installing XP AFTER you install any distro of linux is going to be a headache - in a bad bad way. During the Mandrake installation process at disk partitioning time I have three choices (paraphrasing): 1. Erase entire disk. 2. Use the free space on a Windows partition. 3. Custom partitioning. Selecting option 2 fails. If I select option 3 Mandrake installs all right but trying to boot XP afterwards fails. From the little investigation I've done it seems that maybe I should be installing Windows into a small partition to begin with. But I don't see that the Windows installation process allows me to do that. Another possibility is shrinking the Windows partition before trying to install Mandrake. I'm completely Microsoft and Windows ignorant. Is there a freeware program that will allow me to shrink the Windows partition? Besides the above possibilities, is there something else I can do? If you have the ability to install Windows and then move that partition to the end of the disk (using like Partition Magic or something similar to do so) you're ensuring that the freespace before the Windows installation is going to be for your beloved linux. Also, but putting your linux partitions (or at least the boot partition) in front of the Windows partition, should you hose up the disk, at least you can access SOMETHING of your installation... -- Fri Mar 14 07:55:00 EST 2003 07:55:00 up 1 day, 17:18, 3 users, load average: 0.01, 0.10, 0.15 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** It seems there's this magician working one of the luxury cruise ships for a few years. He doesn't have to change his routines much as the audiences change over fairly often, and he's got a good life. The only problem is the ship's parrot, who perches in the hall and watches him night after night, year after year. Finally, the parrot figures out how almost every trick works and starts giving it away for the audience. For example, when the magician makes a bouquet of flowers disappear, the parrot squawks Behind his back! Behind his back! Well, the magician is really annoyed at this, but there's not much he can do about it as the parrot is a ship's mascot and very popular with the passengers. One night, the ship strikes some floating debris, and sinks without a trace. Almost everyone aboard was lost, except for the magician and the parrot. For three days and nights they just drift, with the magician clinging to one end of a piece of driftwood and the parrot perched on the other end. As the sun rises on the morning of the fourth day, the parrot walks over to the magician's end of the log. With obvious disgust in his voice, he snaps OK, you win, I give up. Where did you hide the ship? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marshall Lake Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 7:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Windows XP Co-existing I have version 9.0 of Mandrake. My hardware is an HP Media Center 873n. I'm having a problem getting Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 to co-exist. I understand it's better to have Windows already installed when you try to install Mandrake. Is this correct? During the Mandrake installation process at disk partitioning time I have three choices (paraphrasing): 1. Erase entire disk. 2. Use the free space on a Windows partition. 3. Custom partitioning. Selecting option 2 fails. If I select option 3 Mandrake installs all right but trying to boot XP afterwards fails. From the little investigation I've done it seems that maybe I should be installing Windows into a small partition to begin with. But I don't see that the Windows installation process allows me to do that. Another possibility is shrinking the Windows partition before trying to install Mandrake. I'm completely Microsoft and Windows ignorant. Is there a freeware program that will allow me to shrink the Windows partition? Besides the above possibilities, is there something else I can do? -- Marshall Lake -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mlake.net The biggest problem here is that you're using an HP-provided disk to install XP. HP ships restore or recovery disks, not install disks with their systems. You aren't actually installing XP with that disk, you're copying a drive image, which is why you don't get any options when running it. Contact HP support and demand a real install disk -- they'll send one if you insist on it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 9.0 and Oracle 9i
I have just installed Mandrake 9.0 onto my computer and I am interested in installing Oracle 9i onto the comp as well. I have just downloaded the Oracle 9i Database for Linux software from Oracle.com. Does anyone know anything, or have any experience with this? If so, please help me. If you want, email me your AOL IM screen name and maybe you could provide assistance a little easier. I am running a PII, 8GB, 128MB system with Mandrake 9.0. I believe that I will need to get more RAM in order to install Oracle 9i. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
[newbie] Mandrake 9.0/9.1 b3 Software RAID Issues
Hi Everyone, I am looking to install Mandrake on an IDE Software RAID 1 Mirror However, when I go to create the Raid Device /dev/md0 I am given an error message. When I look at the logs it seems that md.o is unable to be insmod'ed. I know that using a RAID Mirror as the root file system isnt the best approach. But due to hardware constraints I am forced to do this. I checked in the mailling list archives and I found a bug in the cooker archives but nothing was said. Is there any idea's anyone has? I'm stumped :( Thanks in advance! -- Jesse G-Tez Houston Softimage XSI Certified Instructor http://www.gtez.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0/9.1 b3 Software RAID Issues
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 08:39 am, Jesse G-Tez Houston wrote: Hi Everyone, I am looking to install Mandrake on an IDE Software RAID 1 Mirror However, when I go to create the Raid Device /dev/md0 I am given an error message. When I look at the logs it seems that md.o is unable to be insmod'ed. I know that using a RAID Mirror as the root file system isnt the best approach. But due to hardware constraints I am forced to do this. I checked in the mailling list archives and I found a bug in the cooker archives but nothing was said. Is there any idea's anyone has? I'm stumped :( Thanks in advance! Slow down there... What are you using for your RAID Devices? What procedure did you try to use to set up the RAID? Were you using 9.0 or 9.1 beta3? I am using 9.1Beta3 with RAID0 and I had no problem setting up. Ideas are usually only as good as the information provided, so I won't even risk one til I know more about your situation. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0/9.1 b3 Software RAID Issues
Hello Again, Okay I'll run a little deeper into the hardware layout right now... I have the following IDE layout /dev/hda - 40 Gig Maxtor DMA /dev/hdb - 52X CDROM DMA /dev/hdc - 40 Gig Maxtor DMA (Note: Both hard drives have the exact same geometry) (Im not sure how much of the following might apply but may be useful) eth0 is a 3com359x - ip 10.0.0.1 eth1 is a realtek - ip (DHCP Bound 24.x.x.x) A RivaTNT on the AGP I would like to have the server setup as follows : /dev/hda1 - /boot (Linux Software RAID with /dev/hdc1) - 100 Megs /dev/hda2 - / (Linux Software RAID with /dev/hdc2) - 36 Gigs /dev/hda3 - SWAP - 3.6 Gigs /dev/hdc1 - /boot (Linux Software RAID with /dev/hda1) - 100 Megs /dev/hdc2 - / (Linux Software RAID with /dev/hda2) - 36 Gigs /dev/hdc3 - SWAP - 3.6 Gigs /dev/hdb - /mnt/cdrom I used the following procedure 1 Boot into the Mandrake Installer using the expert option 2 Create the partition table as shown above.Using custom drive layout (also tried using fdisk on an existing Mandrake box) 3 created the Raid device /dev/md0 using the Add to RAID button. 4 attempt to format fails loading the md.o file (according to the log console crtl+alt+F5 Does this help? -Jess civileme wrote: On Tuesday 18 February 2003 08:39 am, Jesse G-Tez Houston wrote: Hi Everyone, I am looking to install Mandrake on an IDE Software RAID 1 Mirror However, when I go to create the Raid Device /dev/md0 I am given an error message. When I look at the logs it seems that md.o is unable to be insmod'ed. I know that using a RAID Mirror as the root file system isnt the best approach. But due to hardware constraints I am forced to do this. I checked in the mailling list archives and I found a bug in the cooker archives but nothing was said. Is there any idea's anyone has? I'm stumped :( Thanks in advance! Slow down there... What are you using for your RAID Devices? What procedure did you try to use to set up the RAID? Were you using 9.0 or 9.1 beta3? I am using 9.1Beta3 with RAID0 and I had no problem setting up. Ideas are usually only as good as the information provided, so I won't even risk one til I know more about your situation. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jesse G-Tez Houston Softimage XSI Certified Instructor http://www.gtez.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 PNY GeForce4 MX 440-SE
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 01:38 pm, John S. Chalice wrote: Hey there.. I just upgraded my video card to a new PNY PCI GeForce4 MX 440-SE, from my previous of a Radeon 7000. Unfortunately, I am still having a problem getting XWindows to work for Mandrake 9.0. I tried installing the I32 nVidia driver rpm binaries (both the GLX and the kernel) for Mandrake from nVidia's site.. I also tried making the drivers from the .tar.gz source files as well, *and* I tried playing with some of the options in the XF86Config-4 file.. but I still couldn't get the GUI to show up. It doesn't lock up the keyboard, but I can't see anything but a black screen. Does anybody have any suggestions? Thanks for your time. -- John Chalice a.k.a. crysaliq If it's an AGP card, you have to add a certain option to the XF86Config-4 file. Under Option DPMS On, add: Option NvAGP 1 HTH, John Drouhard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 PNY GeForce4 MX 440-SE
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 08:38 am, John S. Chalice wrote: Hey there.. I just upgraded my video card to a new PNY PCI GeForce4 MX 440-SE, from my previous of a Radeon 7000. Unfortunately, I am still having a problem getting XWindows to work for Mandrake 9.0. I tried installing the I32 nVidia driver rpm binaries (both the GLX and the kernel) for Mandrake from nVidia's site.. I also tried making the drivers from the .tar.gz source files as well, *and* I tried playing with some of the options in the XF86Config-4 file.. but I still couldn't get the GUI to show up. It doesn't lock up the keyboard, but I can't see anything but a black screen. Does anybody have any suggestions? Thanks for your time. -- John Chalice a.k.a. crysaliq ??startx?? init 5? post XF86Config-4 file? what happens if you hit enter? any flashing lites or prompt? do you have anything on screen durring bootup? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 PNY GeForce4 MX 440-SE
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 05:38 am, John S. Chalice wrote: Hey there.. I just upgraded my video card to a new PNY PCI GeForce4 MX 440-SE, from my previous of a Radeon 7000. Unfortunately, I am still having a problem getting XWindows to work for Mandrake 9.0. I tried installing the I32 nVidia driver rpm binaries (both the GLX and the kernel) for Mandrake from nVidia's site.. I also tried making the drivers from the .tar.gz source files as well, *and* I tried playing with some of the options in the XF86Config-4 file.. but I still couldn't get the GUI to show up. It doesn't lock up the keyboard, but I can't see anything but a black screen. Does anybody have any suggestions? Thanks for your time. Humm, my Chaintech G4 MX 440 was detected automagically and has run flawlessly, Rob -- Rob Blomquist Kirkland, WA On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section, it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux and lived happily ever after. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 9.0 PNY GeForce4 MX 440-SE
Hey there.. I just upgraded my video card to a new PNY PCI GeForce4 MX 440-SE, from my previous of a Radeon 7000. Unfortunately, I am still having a problem getting XWindows to work for Mandrake 9.0. I tried installing the I32 nVidia driver rpm binaries (both the GLX and the kernel) for Mandrake from nVidia's site.. I also tried making the drivers from the .tar.gz source files as well, *and* I tried playing with some of the options in the XF86Config-4 file.. but I still couldn't get the GUI to show up. It doesn't lock up the keyboard, but I can't see anything but a black screen. Does anybody have any suggestions? Thanks for your time. -- John Chalice a.k.a. crysaliq Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 on Intel Hardware
Actually, I think it would run on this toaster just fine: http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/toasterpc/ ;-) R - Richard L. Babcock, Owner Tower Training At Tower Training, We Bring the Classroom to You! www.towertraining.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marc Oestreicher Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 on Intel Hardware -snip- anything with 64 MB or more of ram and a large enough hard drive for all the options that you want to install. Well anything with in reason don't try to run it on a toaster or can opener. Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 9.0 on Intel Hardware
Hello, I would like to put Mandrake 9.0 on a white box that I have at home. Will Mandrake 9.0 run on Intel hardware? Would this be the i586 designation, or is there another distribution that I should be downloading? Thanks for your help, Brian
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 on Intel Hardware
On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 16:35, Brian Smith wrote: Hello, I would like to put Mandrake 9.0 on a 'white box' that I have at home. Will Mandrake 9.0 run on Intel hardware? Would this be the i586 designation, or is there another distribution that I should be downloading? Yup, it sure will, and yes your designation would be i586. -- Anthony Abby - http://www.aplusdata.com Comic Book Community News | Web Programming Inventory Control, Auction, Management | Cold Fusion PHP ASP Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 on Intel Hardware
Should run just fine!! ~~Brad On Thursday 06 February 2003 02:35 pm, you wrote: Hello, I would like to put Mandrake 9.0 on a 'white box' that I have at home. Will Mandrake 9.0 run on Intel hardware? Would this be the i586 designation, or is there another distribution that I should be downloading? Thanks for your help, Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 on Intel Hardware
On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:35:46 -0500 Brian Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I would like to put Mandrake 9.0 on a 'white box' that I have at home. Will Mandrake 9.0 run on Intel hardware? Would this be the i586 designation, or is there another distribution that I should be downloading? Thanks for your help, Brian To the Best of my knowledge Mandrake 9.0 will run on all most anything with 64 MB or more of ram and a large enough hard drive for all the options that you want to install. Well anything with in reason dont try to run it on a toaster or can opener. Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 update on install CDs?
On Friday 10 January 2003 02:40, A. Contreras wrote: Maar je praat zo goed engels! Je hoeft niet de Nederlandse versie te installeren! A. Contreras My CR website: http://www.elnonio.dns04.com Some people do have non multi-lingual kids, every now and then=;o) Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 update on install CDs?
On Thursday 09 January 2003 07:09, ivette brusselmans wrote: Hello, is it possible to burn install CDs that include the updates? There is that bug in the dutch version which blocks Mandrake Control Center, so when I reinstall, I have to pick the English version, do an update that fixes dutch bug and than change the language. Would be easier to burn an updated (dutch bug free) install version. Thanx Well for one thing if you downloaded the .iso images you could mount them with the -o loop option and remove the bugged .rpm and replace it with the other one. Make sure to change the name (if necessary) exactly to match the removed packages name so as not to confuse the urpmi-database which is on the first install disk AFAIK. Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 update on install CDs?
On Thu, 2003-01-09 at 22:40, A. Contreras wrote: Maar je praat zo goed engels! Je hoeft niet de Nederlandse versie te installeren! A. Contreras Estoy 100% de acuerdo con esto Adolfo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 9.0 update on install CDs?
Hello, is it possible to burn install CDs that include the updates? There is that bug in the dutch version which blocks Mandrake Control Center, so when I reinstall, I have to pick the English version, do an update that fixes dutch bug and than change the language. Would be easier to burn an updated (dutch bug free) install version. Thanx _ Ontvang je Hotmail Messenger berichten op je mobiele telefoon met Hotmail SMS http://www.msn.nl/jumppage/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 9.0, Linksys Wireless WPM11 V3 PCMCIA Card
I have installed Mandrake 9.0 on my Sony Vaio Laptop with a Linksys Wireless WPM11 V3 PCMCIA card. I have searched all the forums for information, and there is alot of it, some of which seems conflicting. I am very new to Linux and need step-by-step instructions on how to get my card to work properly in Linux. The first problem is that when I boot Linux with the card installed, I get the message: ... Starting PCMCIA cardmgr[871]: unsupported card in socket 0 My kernel is: 2.4.19-16mdk Any ideas on where I should go next? Thanks! Mark
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Installation Error
On Tuesday 31 December 2002 09:29 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I'm a Linux newbie, and I'm installing Mandrake 9.0 PowerPack Edition on a Sony Vaio FX170 Laptop. During the IDE/SCSI detection early in the installation, I get the following error message: insmod'ing module ohci1394 failed at /usr/bin/perl-install/modules.pm line 389. My attached harware includes: Maxtor 160gig external firewire drive Linksys Wireless PCMCIA WPC11 Card Logitech Wireless keyboard and Mouse Any ideas? Thanks, Mark do you use a firewire (ieee1394) port? if not, fugettabutit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Installation Error
Hello everyone, I'm a Linux newbie, and I'm installing Mandrake 9.0 PowerPack Edition on a Sony Vaio FX170 Laptop. During the IDE/SCSI detection early in the installation, I get the following error message:
[newbie] Mandrake 9.0 Installation Error
Hello everyone, I'm a Linux newbie, and I'm installing Mandrake 9.0 PowerPack Edition on a Sony Vaio FX170 Laptop. During the IDE/SCSI detection early in the installation, I get the following error message: insmod'ing module ohci1394 failed at /usr/bin/perl-install/modules.pm line 389. My attached harware includes: Maxtor 160gig external firewire drive Linksys Wireless PCMCIA WPC11 Card Logitech Wireless keyboard and Mouse Any ideas? Thanks, Mark
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.0 never asks for another CD during installation
Thanks. Now Iknow what to do. I gather that you do all this stuff as root on the running system, and not during the initial installation. On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 10:04:30PM -0800, Brandon Vanderberg wrote: Adding sources and disabling supermount are two different things. To disable supermount, it was something like 'supermount -i disable', then 'mount -a'. The main thing was adding the other sources. Now you have a choice. If you have a slow cd like I do, then you don't want to add the other cds. If you don't have much hard disk space, then you don't want to copy the cd's onto your disk. And if you don't have a fast Internet connection, then you don't wanna add the FTP source. Once you figure out which you'd like to do, follow the relevant procedure below. BTW, in my case, I've got a slow cd and limited hd space but a fast connection. I chose to add the ftp source. To add FTP sources, go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php#third it'll have you chose which mirror, version, and architecture you want, then present you with a command to type in. I found it very easy. Then go into software sources manager and remove the installation cd as one of the sources. To copy the CD to the hd, create a dir on a partition that has enough space for all 3 cds - something like /home/mandrake will work. Insert and mount your first cd and copy the contents to this directory. Somewhere in there will be a dir called RPMS. On the 2nd and 3rd cd are directories called RPM2, RPM3, etc. Copy these dirs over so that all the rpm dirs are in the same place. Now from the software sources manager, remove the installation cd as one of the sources, and then add a new source. I'd call it local or something like that and browse to find where the hdlist is in this new dir. So the new Mandrake/RPMS directory on hard disk sjould contains copies of the contents of RPM2, RPM3, etc, all merged together? Or should the Mandrake directory on hard disk contain new subdirectories RPM2, RPM3, etc? Also interesting that some of the things I couldn't find in my system after the the single-disk install (samba and emacs) are actually in packages on the first CD. This wants some investigation... Thank you. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finally, to just add the 2nd and 3rd cds, go into software sources manager and add removable media with each (in turn) inserted and mounted. If you edit the cd source that's already there, you'll see how to do the others. ~Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hendrik Boom Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 5:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Hendrik Boom Subject: Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.0 never asks for another CD during installation On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:52:48 -0800 Spencer Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:22:49 -0500 Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:04:43 -0800 Spencer Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you will find that the problem is lack of memory. The bare minimum for ML9 is 64megs. In this case the reason is more apt to be lack of fd space. For a PowerPack install to request other than cd1 requires around 2 gigs or more. This is due to the pkgs being ordered on the cds in to include depends and as they need to be installed and the fact the the installation creates a /tmp to which many of the pkgs are copied prior to installation. This being why the fd space required for installation exceeds the space required for the actually used once the installation is complete. Charles I'm finding that even with more than adequate space, if you have a slow, low memory computer ( I have several g ), the installer doesn't want to put much more in than what is necessary. This is really obvious if you need to go to a text install. Spence Well, disk space is not a problem. I have 2 gig available in my Mandrake root partition, and can easily expand that to 10 gig if necessary. The 48 meg is probably the real restriction. And it's stupid, too. The machine has more than enough capacity for what I really want to do, and am doing on SuSE Linux now. Occasionally it slows doen, but not seriously, and I did want to get started with the new kernel, which is rumoured to be smaller and faster, and do a better and more flexible job of packet filtering. And even emacs did not appear during the install. There must be a way around this. Could it be that the installer really needs more than 48 meg to sort dependencies, and is incapable of using swap space? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go
RE: [newbie] mandrake 9.0 never asks for another CD during installation
Adding sources and disabling supermount are two different things. To disable supermount, it was something like 'supermount -i disable', then 'mount -a'. The main thing was adding the other sources. Now you have a choice. If you have a slow cd like I do, then you don't want to add the other cds. If you don't have much hard disk space, then you don't want to copy the cd's onto your disk. And if you don't have a fast Internet connection, then you don't wanna add the FTP source. Once you figure out which you'd like to do, follow the relevant procedure below. BTW, in my case, I've got a slow cd and limited hd space but a fast connection. I chose to add the ftp source. To add FTP sources, go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php#third it'll have you chose which mirror, version, and architecture you want, then present you with a command to type in. I found it very easy. Then go into software sources manager and remove the installation cd as one of the sources. To copy the CD to the hd, create a dir on a partition that has enough space for all 3 cds - something like /home/mandrake will work. Insert and mount your first cd and copy the contents to this directory. Somewhere in there will be a dir called RPMS. On the 2nd and 3rd cd are directories called RPM2, RPM3, etc. Copy these dirs over so that all the rpm dirs are in the same place. Now from the software sources manager, remove the installation cd as one of the sources, and then add a new source. I'd call it local or something like that and browse to find where the hdlist is in this new dir. Finally, to just add the 2nd and 3rd cds, go into software sources manager and add removable media with each (in turn) inserted and mounted. If you edit the cd source that's already there, you'll see how to do the others. ~Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hendrik Boom Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 5:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Hendrik Boom Subject: Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.0 never asks for another CD during installation On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:52:48 -0800 Spencer Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:22:49 -0500 Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:04:43 -0800 Spencer Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you will find that the problem is lack of memory. The bare minimum for ML9 is 64megs. In this case the reason is more apt to be lack of fd space. For a PowerPack install to request other than cd1 requires around 2 gigs or more. This is due to the pkgs being ordered on the cds in to include depends and as they need to be installed and the fact the the installation creates a /tmp to which many of the pkgs are copied prior to installation. This being why the fd space required for installation exceeds the space required for the actually used once the installation is complete. Charles I'm finding that even with more than adequate space, if you have a slow, low memory computer ( I have several g ), the installer doesn't want to put much more in than what is necessary. This is really obvious if you need to go to a text install. Spence Well, disk space is not a problem. I have 2 gig available in my Mandrake root partition, and can easily expand that to 10 gig if necessary. The 48 meg is probably the real restriction. And it's stupid, too. The machine has more than enough capacity for what I really want to do, and am doing on SuSE Linux now. Occasionally it slows doen, but not seriously, and I did want to get started with the new kernel, which is rumoured to be smaller and faster, and do a better and more flexible job of packet filtering. And even emacs did not appear during the install. There must be a way around this. Could it be that the installer really needs more than 48 meg to sort dependencies, and is incapable of using swap space? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.0 never asks for another CD during installation
On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:52:48 -0800 Spencer Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:22:49 -0500 Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:04:43 -0800 Spencer Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you will find that the problem is lack of memory. The bare minimum for ML9 is 64megs. In this case the reason is more apt to be lack of fd space. For a PowerPack install to request other than cd1 requires around 2 gigs or more. This is due to the pkgs being ordered on the cds in to include depends and as they need to be installed and the fact the the installation creates a /tmp to which many of the pkgs are copied prior to installation. This being why the fd space required for installation exceeds the space required for the actually used once the installation is complete. Charles I'm finding that even with more than adequate space, if you have a slow, low memory computer ( I have several g ), the installer doesn't want to put much more in than what is necessary. This is really obvious if you need to go to a text install. Spence Well, disk space is not a problem. I have 2 gig available in my Mandrake root partition, and can easily expand that to 10 gig if necessary. The 48 meg is probably the real restriction. And it's stupid, too. The machine has more than enough capacity for what I really want to do, and am doing on SuSE Linux now. Occasionally it slows doen, but not seriously, and I did want to get started with the new kernel, which is rumoured to be smaller and faster, and do a better and more flexible job of packet filtering. And even emacs did not appear during the install. There must be a way around this. Could it be that the installer really needs more than 48 meg to sort dependencies, and is incapable of using swap space? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] mandrake 9.0 never asks for another CD during installation
How strange, last night I did the same thing with an old pc. The pc is a very old Pentium 100 or 200 w/ 48meg of ram and a 6 gig disk. I didn't know about the 64meg requirement, but xfree86 (ver 4) and KDE came up and loaded fine with 48. It wasn't a speed demon, but it worked well. This was with the regular 3 CD set and regular (not text) install. It only used the 1st cd for me too, but I disabled supermount, and added the 2 other cds to the source list and it worked well. I didn't see this as anything more than a very minor annoyance. Incidently, the cd-rom drive is an old 4 speed, so since then I've changed the urpmi sources to one of the ftp mirrors. But I've loaded stuff from the 2nd and 3rd cd without issue. ~Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hendrik Boom Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 5:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Hendrik Boom Subject: Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.0 never asks for another CD during installation On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:52:48 -0800 Spencer Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:22:49 -0500 Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:04:43 -0800 Spencer Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you will find that the problem is lack of memory. The bare minimum for ML9 is 64megs. In this case the reason is more apt to be lack of fd space. For a PowerPack install to request other than cd1 requires around 2 gigs or more. This is due to the pkgs being ordered on the cds in to include depends and as they need to be installed and the fact the the installation creates a /tmp to which many of the pkgs are copied prior to installation. This being why the fd space required for installation exceeds the space required for the actually used once the installation is complete. Charles I'm finding that even with more than adequate space, if you have a slow, low memory computer ( I have several g ), the installer doesn't want to put much more in than what is necessary. This is really obvious if you need to go to a text install. Spence Well, disk space is not a problem. I have 2 gig available in my Mandrake root partition, and can easily expand that to 10 gig if necessary. The 48 meg is probably the real restriction. And it's stupid, too. The machine has more than enough capacity for what I really want to do, and am doing on SuSE Linux now. Occasionally it slows doen, but not seriously, and I did want to get started with the new kernel, which is rumoured to be smaller and faster, and do a better and more flexible job of packet filtering. And even emacs did not appear during the install. There must be a way around this. Could it be that the installer really needs more than 48 meg to sort dependencies, and is incapable of using swap space? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.0 never asks for another CD during installation
On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 12:58:38PM -0800, Brandon Vanderberg wrote: How strange, last night I did the same thing with an old pc. The pc is a very old Pentium 100 or 200 w/ 48meg of ram and a 6 gig disk. I didn't know about the 64meg requirement, but xfree86 (ver 4) and KDE came up and loaded fine with 48. It wasn't a speed demon, but it worked well. This was with the regular 3 CD set and regular (not text) install. It only used the 1st cd for me too, but I disabled supermount, and added the 2 other cds to the source list and it worked well. I didn't see this as anything more than a very minor annoyance. Incidently, the cd-rom drive is an old 4 speed, so since then I've changed the urpmi sources to one of the ftp mirrors. But I've loaded stuff from the 2nd and 3rd cd without issue. That sounds like what I need. Just how do you disable supermount and add other cds to the source list. Is this something you do before installation? Or during? Or after? With a previous version onf Mandrake (I forget which) is asked me during install which CD's I had. With 9.0 it never asks. I hope there is another way to add to the source list than to answer this question! Or if I try a hard-disk install and start by putting the contents of the all the CD's on hard disk, do I put each in a separate directory? Or should I merge them all into one directory? by, say tarring each CD into a tarfile and then untarring them all into the same directory? That way there would be no separate CD to think of mounting. ~Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hendrik Boom Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 5:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Hendrik Boom Subject: Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.0 never asks for another CD during installation On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:52:48 -0800 Spencer Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:22:49 -0500 Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:04:43 -0800 Spencer Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you will find that the problem is lack of memory. The bare minimum for ML9 is 64megs. In this case the reason is more apt to be lack of fd space. For a PowerPack install to request other than cd1 requires around 2 gigs or more. This is due to the pkgs being ordered on the cds in to include depends and as they need to be installed and the fact the the installation creates a /tmp to which many of the pkgs are copied prior to installation. This being why the fd space required for installation exceeds the space required for the actually used once the installation is complete. Charles I'm finding that even with more than adequate space, if you have a slow, low memory computer ( I have several g ), the installer doesn't want to put much more in than what is necessary. This is really obvious if you need to go to a text install. Spence Well, disk space is not a problem. I have 2 gig available in my Mandrake root partition, and can easily expand that to 10 gig if necessary. The 48 meg is probably the real restriction. And it's stupid, too. The machine has more than enough capacity for what I really want to do, and am doing on SuSE Linux now. Occasionally it slows doen, but not seriously, and I did want to get started with the new kernel, which is rumoured to be smaller and faster, and do a better and more flexible job of packet filtering. And even emacs did not appear during the install. There must be a way around this. Could it be that the installer really needs more than 48 meg to sort dependencies, and is incapable of using swap space? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.0 never asks for another CD duringinstallation
On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:42:03 -0800 Spencer Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm finding that even with more than adequate space, if you have a slow, low memory computer ( I have several g ), the installer doesn't want to put much more in than what is necessary. This is really obvious if you need to go to a text install. All mine exceed specs so I will bow (-: to one who has first hand experience. Charles I prefer rogues to imbeciles, because they sometimes take a rest. -- Alexandre Dumas (fils) -- Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation hangs
Title: RE: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation hangs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Rye Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 11:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation hangs On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:26:01 -0600 Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 12/16/02 9:14:29 PM, Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Th 60GB Western Digital HDD was formated with windoze 98 SE installed. I first tried installing 9.0 for a dual boot the standard way by just useing the Mandrake installation disc and that was the first time that the installation hung. Next I installed Partion Magic on windoze and put in a 30 GB free space partition to install mandrake 9.0 on and tried again , same result, then tried 8.2 and again same result. I then tried 8.1 and that installed with no problems, Great I thought!! I then tried to upgrade to 8.2 and 9.0 and again the same hang on both. Thanks for giving it a shot though Marc Marc I'm very late coming in on this. There was some major discussion way back in the days of 8.2 being developed on Western Digital drives. Memory is a little faded but as I recall the problem was to do with the method in which the data was written to the media ?? sans CRC I think. Do you have another brand drive to test with? For my part, Santa came early and I have a new beast to play with. PCChips M825ULR, AthlonXP 1.8, 256Mb Ram, GeForce2 MX 32mb, Seagate ST34081A hdd LG DVD-ROM DRD-8160B - dvdrom LG CDRW GCE-8240B - cdrw It will NOT accept a 9.0 install! It boots to first splash screen off either drive or floppy bootdisk without hesitation, but crashes at about 80% of the progress bar when I try to start the install process regardless of what parameters I append (noapic etc). However, 8.2 download and propak versions install without problems. Go figure!! I'll stick with 8.2 for the time being!! Cheers John One last piece of input here, Linux Journal had an inquiry about the install stall, and the guru answer was that DMA setting for the hard drive should be checked in bios, an incorrect setting can cause the install hang in any distro. For what it is worth. Maybe the CDROM is set wrong for DMA also? Somebody elses $.02. : ) Dennis M.
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation hangs
12/13/02 12:18:26 PM, Vasiliy Boulytchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentlemen, I have had this error in the past, but I believe with FreeBSD 4.6. I do NOT remember what exactly it was that I did. OH YEAH!!! I think it was the CDROM. Believe it or not. Replace the IDE cdrom, and install will fly right through, unbelievable, but im 99 percent sure thats what i did, because Ive swapped a few HDs and it was doing the same . You can at least try. On Friday 13 December 2002 08:31 am, wouter pos wrote: I had have the same problem HELP US greetings wouter pos --- Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a set of 9.0 CDs that I am shure are good because I have used them to install 9.0 on 2 other machines. Last night I went to install mandrake on a friends machine , things seemed to be going well for the first minite or 2 and then it hung while on hard drive detection part of the installation. I tried to repeat the installation several times useing the reccomended and then the expert mode. I even tried to use Partition Magic to repartiton the hard drive first still no luck. This machine allready has windoze 98se installed on a 60 GB western digital hard drive, Athlon 1.7XP processor and 256 MB ram I was useing a cd drive installed on IDE channel 2 and operating as a slave. Could this be the problem ? I have never tried to install off a cd that was a slave before however it seems to me that It should be ok. Any one have any Ideas where this installation is going wrong? Thanks in advance Marc I tried switching the CD drive to master, no luck Then I replaced the CD drive with a new one fresh out of the box and still no luck. Tried mandrake 8.2 instead of 9.0 and still no luck. I then tried to install 8.1 IT WORKED!!! After that I tried to upgrade to 9.0 and back to the same old story, the installation hung in the same spot again. Anyone have any idea what is going on and how to fix it? Thanks Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation hangs
Marc, Yeap, its a driver issue, its the limited amount of drivers loaded into 9.0 kernel. H, did you replace the CDROM with the same model of the CDROM? Search on Mandrake for errate on your Hardware manufacturers. I thought we were done with this crap years ago On Monday 16 December 2002 06:59 am, Marc wrote: 12/13/02 12:18:26 PM, Vasiliy Boulytchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentlemen, I have had this error in the past, but I believe with FreeBSD 4.6. I do NOT remember what exactly it was that I did. OH YEAH!!! I think it was the CDROM. Believe it or not. Replace the IDE cdrom, and install will fly right through, unbelievable, but im 99 percent sure thats what i did, because Ive swapped a few HDs and it was doing the same . You can at least try. On Friday 13 December 2002 08:31 am, wouter pos wrote: I had have the same problem HELP US greetings wouter pos --- Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a set of 9.0 CDs that I am shure are good because I have used them to install 9.0 on 2 other machines. Last night I went to install mandrake on a friends machine , things seemed to be going well for the first minite or 2 and then it hung while on hard drive detection part of the installation. I tried to repeat the installation several times useing the reccomended and then the expert mode. I even tried to use Partition Magic to repartiton the hard drive first still no luck. This machine allready has windoze 98se installed on a 60 GB western digital hard drive, Athlon 1.7XP processor and 256 MB ram I was useing a cd drive installed on IDE channel 2 and operating as a slave. Could this be the problem ? I have never tried to install off a cd that was a slave before however it seems to me that It should be ok. Any one have any Ideas where this installation is going wrong? Thanks in advance Marc I tried switching the CD drive to master, no luck Then I replaced the CD drive with a new one fresh out of the box and still no luck. Tried mandrake 8.2 instead of 9.0 and still no luck. I then tried to install 8.1 IT WORKED!!! After that I tried to upgrade to 9.0 and back to the same old story, the installation hung in the same spot again. Anyone have any idea what is going on and how to fix it? Thanks Marc -- Vasiliy Boulytchev Colorado Information Technologies Inc. (719) 473-2800 x15 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation hangs
I replaced it with a different model and manufactuer cd drive. Also it does make it to the second level part of the installation. The first part where I am asked to select language and type of installation , reccomended or expert seems to work just fine. The problem is in the next stage. it hangs on detecting hard drive. At this point I can still use the mouse pointer that appears as a wrist wach however I am unable to do anything else. To get out of the installation I have to do a hard restart. I really dont understand the fine points of installing a OS but it seems to me that if it was a issue with a driver for the cd the installation would not make it through the first stage. Please correct me if I am wrong. Just trying to mae some sense of it all and maybe learn a bit along the way. Thanks for all the help so far. Marc Marc, Yeap, its a driver issue, its the limited amount of drivers loaded into 9.0 kernel. H, did you replace the CDROM with the same model of the CDROM? Search on Mandrake for errate on your Hardware manufacturers. I thought we were done with this crap years ago On Monday 16 December 2002 06:59 am, Marc wrote: 12/13/02 12:18:26 PM, Vasiliy Boulytchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentlemen, I have had this error in the past, but I believe with FreeBSD 4.6. I do NOT remember what exactly it was that I did. OH YEAH!!! I think it was the CDROM. Believe it or not. Replace the IDE cdrom, and install will fly right through, unbelievable, but im 99 percent sure thats what i did, because Ive swapped a few HDs and it was doing the same . You can at least try. On Friday 13 December 2002 08:31 am, wouter pos wrote: I had have the same problem HELP US greetings wouter pos --- Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a set of 9.0 CDs that I am shure are good because I have used them to install 9.0 on 2 other machines. Last night I went to install mandrake on a friends machine , things seemed to be going well for the first minite or 2 and then it hung while on hard drive detection part of the installation. I tried to repeat the installation several times useing the reccomended and then the expert mode. I even tried to use Partition Magic to repartiton the hard drive first still no luck. This machine allready has windoze 98se installed on a 60 GB western digital hard drive, Athlon 1.7XP processor and 256 MB ram I was useing a cd drive installed on IDE channel 2 and operating as a slave. Could this be the problem ? I have never tried to install off a cd that was a slave before however it seems to me that It should be ok. Any one have any Ideas where this installation is going wrong? Thanks in advance Marc I tried switching the CD drive to master, no luck Then I replaced the CD drive with a new one fresh out of the box and still no luck. Tried mandrake 8.2 instead of 9.0 and still no luck. I then tried to install 8.1 IT WORKED!!! After that I tried to upgrade to 9.0 and back to the same old story, the installation hung in the same spot again. Anyone have any idea what is going on and how to fix it? Thanks Marc -- Vasiliy Boulytchev Colorado Information Technologies Inc. (719) 473-2800 x15 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation hangs
I don't know if this is relevant but I had a similar problem with my g/fs machine which turned out to be the MS blue USB optical mouse she was using (she liked the colour). In desperation I took everything back to basics an used my Logitech USB mouse and everything went thru fine. I was curious and tried a complete re-install with the MS USB mouse and got the problem back again. Tried again with the Logitech mouse and no further problems. I can only suggest that mdk 9 is touchy about the 'rodent' you use as I've noticed previously others had mouse problems after 9 was released. May not be the problem but just sharing my experience with the list. HTH Graham Marc wrote: I replaced it with a different model and manufactuer cd drive. Also it does make it to the second level part of the installation. The first part where I am asked to select language and type of installation , reccomended or expert seems to work just fine. The problem is in the next stage. it hangs on detecting hard drive. At this point I can still use the mouse pointer that appears as a wrist wach however I am unable to do anything else. To get out of the installation I have to do a hard restart. I really dont understand the fine points of installing a OS but it seems to me that if it was a issue with a driver for the cd the installation would not make it through the first stage. Please correct me if I am wrong. Just trying to mae some sense of it all and maybe learn a bit along the way. Thanks for all the help so far. Marc Marc, Yeap, its a driver issue, its the limited amount of drivers loaded into 9.0 kernel. H, did you replace the CDROM with the same model of the CDROM? Search on Mandrake for errate on your Hardware manufacturers. I thought we were done with this crap years ago On Monday 16 December 2002 06:59 am, Marc wrote: 12/13/02 12:18:26 PM, Vasiliy Boulytchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentlemen, I have had this error in the past, but I believe with FreeBSD 4.6. I do NOT remember what exactly it was that I did. OH YEAH!!! I think it was the CDROM. Believe it or not. Replace the IDE cdrom, and install will fly right through, unbelievable, but im 99 percent sure thats what i did, because Ive swapped a few HDs and it was doing the same . You can at least try. On Friday 13 December 2002 08:31 am, wouter pos wrote: I had have the same problem HELP US greetings wouter pos --- Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a set of 9.0 CDs that I am shure are good because I have used them to install 9.0 on 2 other machines. Last night I went to install mandrake on a friends machine , things seemed to be going well for the first minite or 2 and then it hung while on hard drive detection part of the installation. I tried to repeat the installation several times useing the reccomended and then the expert mode. I even tried to use Partition Magic to repartiton the hard drive first still no luck. This machine allready has windoze 98se installed on a 60 GB western digital hard drive, Athlon 1.7XP processor and 256 MB ram I was useing a cd drive installed on IDE channel 2 and operating as a slave. Could this be the problem ? I have never tried to install off a cd that was a slave before however it seems to me that It should be ok. Any one have any Ideas where this installation is going wrong? Thanks in advance Marc I tried switching the CD drive to master, no luck Then I replaced the CD drive with a new one fresh out of the box and still no luck. Tried mandrake 8.2 instead of 9.0 and still no luck. I then tried to install 8.1 IT WORKED!!! After that I tried to upgrade to 9.0 and back to the same old story, the installation hung in the same spot again. Anyone have any idea what is going on and how to fix it? Thanks Marc -- Vasiliy Boulytchev Colorado Information Technologies Inc. (719) 473-2800 x15 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation hangs
I have a set of 9.0 CDs that I am shure are good because I have used them to install 9.0 on 2 other machines. Last night I went to install mandrake on a friends machine , things seemed to be going well for the first minite or 2 and then it hung while on hard drive detection part of the installation. I tried to repeat the installation several times useing the reccomended and then the expert mode. I even tried to use Partition Magic to repartiton the hard drive first still no luck. This machine allready has windoze 98se installed on a 60 GB western digital hard drive, Athlon 1.7XP processor and 256 MB ram I was useing a cd drive installed on IDE channel 2 and operating as a slave. Could this be the problem ? I have never tried to install off a cd that was a slave before however it seems to me that It should be ok. Any one have any Ideas where this installation is going wrong? Thanks in advance Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation hangs
I had have the same problem HELP US greetings wouter pos --- Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a set of 9.0 CDs that I am shure are good because I have used them to install 9.0 on 2 other machines. Last night I went to install mandrake on a friends machine , things seemed to be going well for the first minite or 2 and then it hung while on hard drive detection part of the installation. I tried to repeat the installation several times useing the reccomended and then the expert mode. I even tried to use Partition Magic to repartiton the hard drive first still no luck. This machine allready has windoze 98se installed on a 60 GB western digital hard drive, Athlon 1.7XP processor and 256 MB ram I was useing a cd drive installed on IDE channel 2 and operating as a slave. Could this be the problem ? I have never tried to install off a cd that was a slave before however it seems to me that It should be ok. Any one have any Ideas where this installation is going wrong? Thanks in advance Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com = Visit http://www.xs4all.nl/~wpos For dj exalted online !! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 9.0 install
Tried to install M9.0. Hung up at package install stage. Noticed in the boot up that script called for needs ide-cd and a couple of steps later the Warning: insmod failed (ide-cd (null)). Changed CD Roms. No difference. Tried M8.2. No warning about ide-cd. It found it. I am using a Tyan S1598 Trinity ATX MB with an AMD K62 MHz CPU. 1999 version. I have 128 Megs of RAM that tested good with memtest. Any suggestions? Gary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 9.0 not working with ICH3M IDE controllers?
Has anyone gotten Mandrake 9.0 to work with the following hardware: ICH3M (82801CAM) IDE controller Thanks in advance... _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 pre-orders Wandering off topic again
I am still waiting for mine also. I received a confirming email after I first ordered a couple of months ago but have not herd anything since. It seems that the shipping process is spreading out several weeks and I would have to guess that the folks doing the shipping must be very understaffed or that they are receiveing the CDs in a trickle and shipping them out the same way, although that seems unlikely. I am starting to wonder if 9.1 will be out before I receive 9.0 If they ever come out with a 9.0 OEM Edition I think I will get several copys of it but at this rate there is no telling how long that will take. I tend to think we are seeing the results of the cutbacks that Mandrake had to make to keep the company alive. I am looking forward to the day that Mandrake becomes profitable and can afford to have a larger staff to inprove customer service and also maybe be able to hire back some of the EXCELENT employes that they had to lay off like Civileme. I havent seen civileme on the mandrake list here for quite a while and I hope he is doing well. Also hope to see him back here some time in the future, His layoff was a hell of a loss to Mandrake and the mandrake community. Marc 11/20/02 9:01:39 PM, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 20 November 2002 08:44 pm, you said, and I quote: On Wednesday 20 November 2002 09:26 pm, Anthony Abby wrote: On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 21:22, Chris wrote: Have quite few of those who pre-ordered the 9.0 Power Pack in the states received them yet? I'm just wondering since I'm still waiting Anthony/Chris: My 9.0 PowerPack CDs arrived last Friday (11/15) via Airborne; MandrakeStore had sent me an e-mail several days earlier (11/12) with the shipping information and a tracking number. -- cmg Thanks, guess I'll just keep waiting :( -- Regards Chris Registered Linux user #283774 @ http://counter.li.org 9:00pm up 3:01, 1 user, load average: 0.21, 0.05, 0.01 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 pre-orders
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 10:01 pm, Chris wrote: On Wednesday 20 November 2002 08:44 pm, you said, and I quote: On Wednesday 20 November 2002 09:26 pm, Anthony Abby wrote: On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 21:22, Chris wrote: Have quite few of those who pre-ordered the 9.0 Power Pack in the states received them yet? I'm just wondering since I'm still waiting Anthony/Chris: My 9.0 PowerPack CDs arrived last Friday (11/15) via Airborne; MandrakeStore had sent me an e-mail several days earlier (11/12) with the shipping information and a tracking number. -- cmg Thanks, guess I'll just keep waiting :( Chris: In case you didn't see it, there was a status report about shipping 9.0 at Mandrake Forum last week: http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=2535lang=en Maybe it's time to give them a prod... -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 pre-orders
On Thursday 21 November 2002 09:26 am, you said, and I quote: Thanks, guess I'll just keep waiting :( Chris: In case you didn't see it, there was a status report about shipping 9.0 at Mandrake Forum last week: http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=2535lang=en Maybe it's time to give them a prod... -- cmg Thanks, I dropped them an email last night, see if I get an answer. -- Regards Chris Registered Linux user #283774 @ http://counter.li.org 9:56pm up 1 day, 3:56, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.11, 0.08 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 9.0 pre-orders
Have quite few of those who pre-ordered the 9.0 Power Pack in the states received them yet? I'm just wondering since I'm still waiting for mine. -- Regards Chris Registered Linux user #283774 @ http://counter.li.org 8:20pm up 2:21, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.06, 0.07 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 pre-orders
On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 21:22, Chris wrote: Have quite few of those who pre-ordered the 9.0 Power Pack in the states received them yet? I'm just wondering since I'm still waiting for mine. I'm still waiting for mine as well, and wrote customer service inquiring about it. Have yet to receive a reply. Anthony Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 pre-orders
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 09:26 pm, Anthony Abby wrote: On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 21:22, Chris wrote: Have quite few of those who pre-ordered the 9.0 Power Pack in the states received them yet? I'm just wondering since I'm still waiting for mine. I'm still waiting for mine as well, and wrote customer service inquiring about it. Have yet to receive a reply. Anthony Anthony/Chris: My 9.0 PowerPack CDs arrived last Friday (11/15) via Airborne; MandrakeStore had sent me an e-mail several days earlier (11/12) with the shipping information and a tracking number. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 pre-orders
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 08:44 pm, you said, and I quote: On Wednesday 20 November 2002 09:26 pm, Anthony Abby wrote: On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 21:22, Chris wrote: Have quite few of those who pre-ordered the 9.0 Power Pack in the states received them yet? I'm just wondering since I'm still waiting Anthony/Chris: My 9.0 PowerPack CDs arrived last Friday (11/15) via Airborne; MandrakeStore had sent me an e-mail several days earlier (11/12) with the shipping information and a tracking number. -- cmg Thanks, guess I'll just keep waiting :( -- Regards Chris Registered Linux user #283774 @ http://counter.li.org 9:00pm up 3:01, 1 user, load average: 0.21, 0.05, 0.01 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 pre-orders
I got mine about a week ago in Wisconsin. Lois - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:22 PM Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 pre-orders Have quite few of those who pre-ordered the 9.0 Power Pack in the states received them yet? I'm just wondering since I'm still waiting for mine. -- Regards Chris Registered Linux user #283774 @ http://counter.li.org 8:20pm up 2:21, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.06, 0.07 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 / EBDA boot error on extended drive
On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 07:20, Michael wrote: My wife just installed Mandrake 9.0, dual boot, on her Win 98 box. After the install, which went fine, everytime she tries to boot from the harddrive she gets an error message saying EBDA too big, and it fails. When she boots from the floppy, it works fine. Her system has a 6Gb harddrive with an extended 80Gb drive, which is operated through the BIOS and which Mandrake did recognize during the install. Does anyone have any ideas on how to appraoch this? Michael That's a strange one - but has she tried re-running lilo from a command line after booting into linux? That would be the first shot to take... -- Fri Nov 15 08:50:01 EST 2002 |____ | | / \ /| |'-. | | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | | | / \__.`=._) (_ |kuhn media australia | |/ ._/ || |http://kma.0catch.com | |'. `\ | | |stephen kuhn | ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | smk ) /_/| |.---.| |mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' |linux user:267497 It's a very *__UN*lucky week in which to be took dead. -- Churchy La Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 / EBDA boot error on extended drive
On Thursday 14 November 2002 03:54 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 07:20, Michael wrote: My wife just installed Mandrake 9.0, dual boot, on her Win 98 box. After the install, which went fine, everytime she tries to boot from the harddrive she gets an error message saying EBDA too big, and it fails. When she boots from the floppy, it works fine. Her system has a 6Gb harddrive with an extended 80Gb drive, which is operated through the BIOS and which Mandrake did recognize during the install. Does anyone have any ideas on how to appraoch this? Michael That's a strange one - but has she tried re-running lilo from a command line after booting into linux? That would be the first shot to take... It is a MBR problem, put the install CD1 in and hit the F1 key then at the control prompt type rescue then you should get a interface with re-install bootloader as an option. Hit that and reboot and you should get your lilo boot back with the option to boot linux or M$. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 / EBDA boot error on extended drive
Tried this and still get the same message: Loading LinuxEBDA too big. I guess we'll just try switching to grub and see what happens Thanks On Thursday 14 November 2002 03:54 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 07:20, Michael wrote: My wife just installed Mandrake 9.0, dual boot, on her Win 98 box. After the install, which went fine, everytime she tries to boot from the harddrive she gets an error message saying EBDA too big, and it fails. When she boots from the floppy, it works fine. Her system has a 6Gb harddrive with an extended 80Gb drive, which is operated through the BIOS and which Mandrake did recognize during the install. Does anyone have any ideas on how to appraoch this? Michael On Thursday 14 November 2002 03:36 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: It is a MBR problem, put the install CD1 in and hit the F1 key then at the control prompt type rescue then you should get a interface with re-install bootloader as an option. Hit that and reboot and you should get your lilo boot back with the option to boot linux or M$. HTH Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.0
On Wednesday 30 Oct 2002 5:50 am, aaron wrote: Hi I just finished installing mandrake 9.0 and am a bit bewildered. I look at /mnt/cdrom and in konqueror I see a lock on the icon. My scsi cdrom drive also has a lock on it. I can't access the drive from the command line. I can't chmod I can't chown. I have one cddrive with no lock on it but the disc shows all the content locked I am guessing this is due to the supermount but don't see any documentation on this. Is there a CD in the drive? (Not an audio CD, as that is not a file system and cannot be browsed.) derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.0
Derek Jennings wrote: On Wednesday 30 Oct 2002 5:50 am, aaron wrote: Hi I just finished installing mandrake 9.0 and am a bit bewildered. I look at /mnt/cdrom and in konqueror I see a lock on the icon. My scsi cdrom drive also has a lock on it. I can't access the drive from the command line. I can't chmod I can't chown. I have one cddrive with no lock on it but the disc shows all the content locked I am guessing this is due to the supermount but don't see any documentation on this. Is there a CD in the drive? (Not an audio CD, as that is not a file system and cannot be browsed.) derek You bet and I tried a few. I had just deleted debian (too much bother at this stage in my life) they worked fine then. In mandrake 8 all was fine. I am seeing a picture of a lock on the icons and also on the contents on the inserted cd of the one drive that doesn't have the lock thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.0
On Wednesday 30 Oct 2002 8:35 am, aaron wrote: Derek Jennings wrote: On Wednesday 30 Oct 2002 5:50 am, aaron wrote: Hi I just finished installing mandrake 9.0 and am a bit bewildered. I look at /mnt/cdrom and in konqueror I see a lock on the icon. My scsi cdrom drive also has a lock on it. I can't access the drive from the command line. I can't chmod I can't chown. I have one cddrive with no lock on it but the disc shows all the content locked I am guessing this is due to the supermount but don't see any documentation on this. Is there a CD in the drive? (Not an audio CD, as that is not a file system and cannot be browsed.) derek You bet and I tried a few. I had just deleted debian (too much bother at this stage in my life) they worked fine then. In mandrake 8 all was fine. I am seeing a picture of a lock on the icons and also on the contents on the inserted cd of the one drive that doesn't have the lock thanks Sorry if it seemed a dumb thing to ask, but you would be surprised how many people have asked that question without having a data CD in the drive :) Maybe your /etc/fstab file is incorrect. Here is what mine looks like :- none /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umas k=0 0 0 (Note I am using scsi emulation that is why it is /dev/scd0 instead of /dev/hdc) If you are not using supermount, then of course the CD has to be mounted before use. If you are using supermount, any attempt to mount the CD will just screw up supermount. derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.0
Derek Jennings wrote: On Wednesday 30 Oct 2002 8:35 am, aaron wrote: Derek Jennings wrote: On Wednesday 30 Oct 2002 5:50 am, aaron wrote: Hi I just finished installing mandrake 9.0 and am a bit bewildered. I look at /mnt/cdrom and in konqueror I see a lock on the icon. My scsi cdrom drive also has a lock on it. I can't access the drive from the command line. I can't chmod I can't chown. I have one cddrive with no lock on it but the disc shows all the content locked I am guessing this is due to the supermount but don't see any documentation on this. Is there a CD in the drive? (Not an audio CD, as that is not a file system and cannot be browsed.) derek You bet and I tried a few. I had just deleted debian (too much bother at this stage in my life) they worked fine then. In mandrake 8 all was fine. I am seeing a picture of a lock on the icons and also on the contents on the inserted cd of the one drive that doesn't have the lock thanks Sorry if it seemed a dumb thing to ask, but you would be surprised how many people have asked that question without having a data CD in the drive :) Maybe your /etc/fstab file is incorrect. Here is what mine looks like :- none /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umas k=0 0 0 (Note I am using scsi emulation that is why it is /dev/scd0 instead of /dev/hdc) If you are not using supermount, then of course the CD has to be mounted before use. If you are using supermount, any attempt to mount the CD will just screw up supermount. derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I looked in the archives and I guessed that the problem was related to the supermount issue. I have a strong feeling I should just remove it. I have no problem with mounting drives. i am currently on my windows partition. (no internet in lin yet) I will reboot and try this out and let you know. Thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.0
You bet and I tried a few. I had just deleted debian (too much bother at this stage in my life) they worked fine then. In mandrake 8 all was fine. I am seeing a picture of a lock on the icons and also on the contents on the inserted cd of the one drive that doesn't have the lock I have the same problem, but turning off supermount clears it up for me. su, then supermount disable should enable you to manually mount the disks and get to the content. Anthony Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] mandrake 9.0
Hi I just finished installing mandrake 9.0 and am a bit bewildered. I look at /mnt/cdrom and in konqueror I see a lock on the icon. My scsi cdrom drive also has a lock on it. I can't access the drive from the command line. I can't chmod I can't chown. I have one cddrive with no lock on it but the disc shows all the content locked I am guessing this is due to the supermount but don't see any documentation on this. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] mandrake 9.0 - elm?
hey what happened to elm? it's got to be the fastest email reading/sending thing out there... I had broken my install , tried to install 9.0 but failed early on, since then I haven't gotten email - if someone sees this can they reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] I posted a test message here not too long ago and it shows up on the archive list, but new messages haven't arrived here. I figure I have to resubscribe because I was offline for a couple of days -- however subscribe messages aren't making it here either. I suspect something wrong or misconfigured with my postfix. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems
you think you have problems.. my Compaq M700 laptop, (not that old either) had a 10 gig IBM Travelstar laptop drive, which recently died So I thought, no problem, I'll just go get another one.. off I went and got a 20 gig travelstar to replace it.. (Compaq offered the M700 with up to a 30 gig drive.) Didn't work, the drive didn't even spin up.. (yet some elses 10gig did) Thats with the latest BIOS update... So I now have a useless laptop. And the method Compaq used to install the harddrive is seriously pathetic.. its a long thin ribbon stuck to the actual drive... (making it really hard to swap over without breaking..) Its the worst designed laptop, made of the flimsyest materials I have ever encountered, (and I was in the industry so I have had a few and sold alot more.) Moral of the story?? STAY AWAY FROM ANYTHING WITH COMPAQ ON IT.. and possibly HP if its a compaq design or manufacture. As for your laptop CD problem, get a USB, USB2, FIREWIRE or PCMCIA external drive. (usb would probably be best for linux I'm guessing. though maybe PCMCIA would be ok to...) rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Rodriguez Sent: Friday, 11 October 2002 12:10 AM To: newbie Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems Can't get a new drive for my laptop, and it's not even that old. - Paul On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 11:07, shane wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 07 October 2002 3:25 am, Technoslick did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: I see this is a lack of awareness on Mandrake's part, not their failure to so something right. Unless someone(s) make it known to them that there are quite a few users out there that cannot use the first CDs or ISO's because of their size, nothing will be done about it. I would be well they did take polls on forum and club if i recall asking about ISO size. the overwhelming answers (when i looked) were for 700MB. now (my bad) i haven't been reading this thread, but if the trouble is burning, cheap bytes, or a kind fellow user close enough to mail you CDs for low cost, are your friends. if the trouble is reading, get a new drive! what are we talking, $15 here? something close to that? - -- Microsoft claims 92% of all PCs have windows installed. I have learned that being outnumbered doesn't always mean you're wrong. There are more cockroaches than humans, but it doesn't make them a higher life-form. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 @ http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9oaNEBwq+ZwvIN/oRAnjnAJ9J8xFq8OZYN1urqqWxUrsjzmqv0gCfWFGS BJpUYQB9rPUaTQpLIqkAHh8= =6fvX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems
On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 11:31, Paul Rodriguez wrote: Hi. Sorry to but in here, but to add another perspective... It's not just a question of buying new hardware (something that Linux tends to pride itself in not requiring). In some cases, for example, there is no new hardware available. In the case of my 2.5 year old Dell Inspiron laptop, for example, the cd-rom drive will not recognize cd's written past the 650Mb mark. No work-arround or new hardware exists. To clarify this part... If a cd is written past the 650Mb mark, these drives will not recognize the disk at all. As if it didn't exist. - Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems
On Sunday 06 Oct 2002 11:01 pm, you wrote: On Sunday 06 October 2002 11:24 am, Alastair Scott did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: I have a feeling the next medium type to die off will be the 100MB Zip disk. someone has those? ;-) I have a usb LS120 drive. I bought an internal one when files started to get too big for a floppy, and changed to a usb to make it simple to transfer the occasional but vital files between my pc and my daughter's. I had a rewriter by this time, but she didn't. I rarely use it as such now, though occasionally it still does the vital job (she uses hers regularly for backup, much simpler for her than installing packet writing). However.. It is now earning its keep. The floppy on this pc is now so unreliable - disks are rarely readable on any other machine, and it's hardly worth replacing it. I simply keep the usb LS120 plugged in, switch on when required, and write standard floppies in it. Aren't I glad I kept it! Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems
Exactly! At the very least they could redo the ISO's on-line. If you are going to the small effort to do so, it probably would be best to leave the the smaller-sized ISO set as an 'additional' choice instead of replacing the ones that they have already done the work in creating. With future releases, it would make sense to have only the smaller-sized ones available. Creating a new Powerpack or ProSuite creates additional costs that may be beyond their budget this time around. I could accept this, knowing that they will change this in the future. A judicial word or two on the 'problem' within the marketing end of the Mandrake Web site would handle the current 'problem' for now, with a promise to make future editions in the smaller size for as long as the need seems to be there. It becomes our responsibility then, as Mandrake's most loyal and dedicated group of users, to inform them of when the 650 MB limit has gone the way of the Dodo. I see this is a lack of awareness on Mandrake's part, not their failure to so something right. Unless someone(s) make it known to them that there are quite a few users out there that cannot use the first CDs or ISO's because of their size, nothing will be done about it. I would be more than happy to write that requesting email or letter, if I thought that only my voice was enough incentive for them to make the change(s) necessary. It seems unlikely that my is enough, all by itself. What do you think, Ed? T et wrote: well, to be honest, I have often found that sitting back and expecting the same from almost any group works best as far as predicting behavior. as long as the same is a long record of attempting excellence within the realm of Open Source and/or GNU, I see no reason to expect any less. I do agree that as far as a powerpack or prosuite, I would hope they could do the math over and figure that they have enough space left on the 3rd cd to make the first 2 isos down to 650 for the pressed and sale versions. I know it would cut into the pool of potential purchasers if the box needs to note that it only runs on computers with a CD reader newer than the last 2 years. that said, why not redo the ISOs and post a location to find them? On Sunday 06 October 2002 08:15 am, you wrote: Your welcome, Brian! I'm glad you found what your problem was. Now, what do you (and I who also have a CD-RW in my Linux 8.2 machine that won't read 700 MB CDs properly) and the others with this problem do about it? It seems that this will be a reoccurring theme until all of us get rid of our older CD-ROM/DVD-ROM/CD-RW drives. However, this might be a good opportunity to rally together as a group of users who feel that a change needs to be made. There's no reason beyond convenience for Mandrake (I include the very obvious cost factor of burning, packaging and shipping out one extra CD as part of this) to have any of the distribution disks larger than 650 MBs. At least for a little while longer. Mandrake would be sympathetic to our needs if they knew that there were enough users suffering from this problem. If a few of us make our thoughts known, we might get a second set of ISOs on-line. If a LOT of us make our needs very real to them, they might even see the logic of commercially producing a second set of CDS. We represent their proud and elite. We make them what they are by our presence on their listserv, helping users learn to get the most from their product. Our devoted and dedicated, not to mention the very fact that we choice their distribution over others, makes us their front line. They are aware of this, and I'm sure that they care. Howeverenough of us have to voice our concerns to make it be known to them that this is bigger concern than they might have once thought. Otherwise, things will continue on as they are and those of us with older drives on our Linux machines will have to buy new drives, find ways to reverse engineer the ISOs, or install in another way. We shouldn't have to do this. We shouldn't have to replace a good working piece of hardware (supported by the distro, at that!) just to install a newer version. Not yet. Not until our old machines are like 286 doorstops, I would think. Those of you who have been here longer than me must know of a proper way to make this request in numbers. I urge everyone, even those who are not plagued with this problem, to band together and let Mandrake know that we are hurting for change: a very small change that is possible and manageable. We do it right, with respect, but with an obvious underlining strength derived from need. Now that I have everyone's attention and the word mutiny being murmured is being whispered within the gathered crowd, does anyone have an productive ideas as to how we should make such a respectful plea to Mandrake with the greasiest impact possible? All for one, and one for all! (Sorry for that...I just recently watched the movie, The Musketeer.) :-D
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems
Getting and using firmware updates from the mfg. is a great thing, if your ROM supports them and such a site exists. I haven't checked Acer's site in a about a year, so maybe they have a newer update for me that will let my CDRW-6202a burn/read the larger format. Many of us have good working ROM drives that do not have flash ROMs onboard. It still comes down to whether the larger format is really justifiable at this point in time. As for the medium size having anything to do with readability, I have not found this to be the case, so far. I haven't used a 650 MB/74 min. CD-R blank in over a year. Once the price of 700 MB/70 min. CD-R blanks came down to the same price as their predecessor, it made no sense to bother with the other. As long as I burn up to the 650 MB limit, any CD-ROM drive capable of reading CD-Rs only up to that limit have been able to do so. I don't think the medium is a problem for the older drives. I think it is only the amount of data and whether the older drive can read the shallower pitting done by a CD-R versus its commercial counterpart. I agree with your supply/demand rationale. New products are created to improve our ability to do something, with the price to be paid by us in foregoing our old 'stand-by' for the newer stuff. Backward compatibility is becoming a rarer feature than it once was. Profit drives marketing, and it is good marketing sense to put out to the public something so desirable that it makes everyone throw their old away for the the new toy now available to them. I wish that I had the money and justification to throw away all of my computer hardware for the latest and the greatest, every couple of years. I doubt I would if I could; I don't think my conscience and upbringing would allow it. I must be getting old. I am starting to be such a frickin' miser! ;-) Viva la old! If it still breathes, its alive --- in my book. T Charlie wrote: On Sunday 06 October 2002 08:57 am, et wrote: well, to be honest, I have often found that sitting back and expecting the same from almost any group works best as far as predicting behavior. as long as the same is a long record of attempting excellence within the realm of Open Source and/or GNU, I see no reason to expect any less. I do agree that as far as a powerpack or prosuite, I would hope they could do the math over and figure that they have enough space left on the 3rd cd to make the first 2 isos down to 650 for the pressed and sale versions. I know it would cut into the pool of potential purchasers if the box needs to note that it only runs on computers with a CD reader newer than the last 2 years. that said, why not redo the ISOs and post a location to find them? snip I'm not sure that newer than the last 2 years statement would be accurate in all cases Ed. Both my CD-ROM and my CD-RW (a Liteon 40x LTN403L, and Mitsumi CR-4804-TE 4x4x24) are considerably older than 2 years old. Neither has a problem with larger media; nor have they since I checked for firmware updates and installed the relevant ones from the manufacturer's sites. That was the CD-RW, I don't remember doing anything with the Liteon and don't have any 'notes' in my odds'n'sods directory in my back-up partition about it. There was a firmware update for the Mitsumi. Two in fact; one specifically to handle larger media. The disks for 8.2 and 9.0beta2 were made with 700 MB blanks (Maxells, which appear to be made by Ritek) and the disks for Dolphin were made on 90 minute blanks from a spindle of 50 that I couldn't resist for the price. Seemed a waste of some space but it worked and full capacity was read by the CD-RW. The install of 9.0 was a breeze except for no desktop icons; but that was minor since I get rid of most of them anyway, then add a few of my own choosing for things I use often. BTW have you noticed how difficult it has become to buy 650 MB blanks in the past few months? The last -RWs I bought were 700 MB. I blame hardware and peripheral manufacturers a hell of a lot more for this type of trouble than I ever would the developers for any distribution. The convenience of the end user is a distant last place in the 'roadmaps' for all manufacturers. If it's considered at all. If you have a drive that won't read/write larger media correctly; and that's all you can buy, you'll likely have to buy something newer won't you? The manufacturers get the cash then, don't they? Manufacturers such as HP that don't even attempt to make older drives behave properly with newer media sizes and types won't get any of my upgrade dollars. Not that they ever have. :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems
Whoa! That's quite a lot to ask for IMHO! By any chance, did anyone forget how much those download CD's cost you? Proud and Elite? Who says? Isn't that just a tad arrogant? I take pride in my knowledge of Linux as well, but an elitist attitude won't do any good here! Did you ever consider that with all the cash you're saving on NOT having to buy an O/S that you might consider buying a newer CD Burner? They're quite inexpensive these days! Even if you buy a PowerPack or Prosuite, the alternatives cost considerably more, especially when you add up all the applications you'd have to buy to equal the packages you get in a Retail box. Besides, you should be able to sell your old burner to a WinBlows user for a decent price, and that would offset the cost of a new burner. Years ago, and even recently, one of the biggest complaints on this list, was the lack of programs available for Linux. Now that things are improving, you're complaining that it's too much ?!!! What makes you think that things will stay the way they are? CD's will most likely become the next media to be dropped. DVD burners will probably drop in price, and everyone will be changing to that. It's called progress! While you're at it, why not demand that Mandrake come to your house to install they're next distro? Give it a rest, and update your burner, or get a friend to burn it for you. But don't expect Mandrake to change their distro to suit you. Elitist my ass! Stop your whining! Get a Grip! And a new burner. Flamers, please place comments here,... Lanman On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 06:25, Technoslick wrote: Exactly! At the very least they could redo the ISO's on-line. If you are going to the small effort to do so, it probably would be best to leave the the smaller-sized ISO set as an 'additional' choice instead of replacing the ones that they have already done the work in creating. With future releases, it would make sense to have only the smaller-sized ones available. Creating a new Powerpack or ProSuite creates additional costs that may be beyond their budget this time around. I could accept this, knowing that they will change this in the future. A judicial word or two on the 'problem' within the marketing end of the Mandrake Web site would handle the current 'problem' for now, with a promise to make future editions in the smaller size for as long as the need seems to be there. It becomes our responsibility then, as Mandrake's most loyal and dedicated group of users, to inform them of when the 650 MB limit has gone the way of the Dodo. I see this is a lack of awareness on Mandrake's part, not their failure to so something right. Unless someone(s) make it known to them that there are quite a few users out there that cannot use the first CDs or ISO's because of their size, nothing will be done about it. I would be more than happy to write that requesting email or letter, if I thought that only my voice was enough incentive for them to make the change(s) necessary. It seems unlikely that my is enough, all by itself. What do you think, Ed? T et wrote: well, to be honest, I have often found that sitting back and expecting the same from almost any group works best as far as predicting behavior. as long as the same is a long record of attempting excellence within the realm of Open Source and/or GNU, I see no reason to expect any less. I do agree that as far as a powerpack or prosuite, I would hope they could do the math over and figure that they have enough space left on the 3rd cd to make the first 2 isos down to 650 for the pressed and sale versions. I know it would cut into the pool of potential purchasers if the box needs to note that it only runs on computers with a CD reader newer than the last 2 years. that said, why not redo the ISOs and post a location to find them? On Sunday 06 October 2002 08:15 am, you wrote: Your welcome, Brian! I'm glad you found what your problem was. Now, what do you (and I who also have a CD-RW in my Linux 8.2 machine that won't read 700 MB CDs properly) and the others with this problem do about it? It seems that this will be a reoccurring theme until all of us get rid of our older CD-ROM/DVD-ROM/CD-RW drives. However, this might be a good opportunity to rally together as a group of users who feel that a change needs to be made. There's no reason beyond convenience for Mandrake (I include the very obvious cost factor of burning, packaging and shipping out one extra CD as part of this) to have any of the distribution disks larger than 650 MBs. At least for a little while longer. Mandrake would be sympathetic to our needs if they knew that there were enough users suffering from this problem. If a few of us make our thoughts known, we might get a second set of ISOs on-line. If a LOT of us make our needs very real to them, they might even see the logic of commercially producing a second set of CDS.
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 07 October 2002 3:25 am, Technoslick did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: I see this is a lack of awareness on Mandrake's part, not their failure to so something right. Unless someone(s) make it known to them that there are quite a few users out there that cannot use the first CDs or ISO's because of their size, nothing will be done about it. I would be well they did take polls on forum and club if i recall asking about ISO size. the overwhelming answers (when i looked) were for 700MB. now (my bad) i haven't been reading this thread, but if the trouble is burning, cheap bytes, or a kind fellow user close enough to mail you CDs for low cost, are your friends. if the trouble is reading, get a new drive! what are we talking, $15 here? something close to that? - -- Microsoft claims 92% of all PCs have windows installed. I have learned that being outnumbered doesn't always mean you're wrong. There are more cockroaches than humans, but it doesn't make them a higher life-form. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9oaNEBwq+ZwvIN/oRAnjnAJ9J8xFq8OZYN1urqqWxUrsjzmqv0gCfWFGS BJpUYQB9rPUaTQpLIqkAHh8= =6fvX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems
On Monday 07 October 2002 06:25 am, you wrote: Exactly! At the very least they could redo the ISO's on-line. If you are going to the small effort to do so, it probably would be best to leave the the smaller-sized ISO set as an 'additional' choice instead of replacing the ones that they have already done the work in creating. With future releases, it would make sense to have only the smaller-sized ones available. Creating a new Powerpack or ProSuite creates additional costs that may be beyond their budget this time around. I could accept this, knowing that they will change this in the future. A judicial word or two on the 'problem' within the marketing end of the Mandrake Web site would handle the current 'problem' for now, with a promise to make future editions in the smaller size for as long as the need seems to be there. It becomes our responsibility then, as Mandrake's most loyal and dedicated group of users, to inform them of when the 650 MB limit has gone the way of the Dodo. I see this is a lack of awareness on Mandrake's part, not their failure to so something right. Unless someone(s) make it known to them that there are quite a few users out there that cannot use the first CDs or ISO's because of their size, nothing will be done about it. I would be more than happy to write that requesting email or letter, if I thought that only my voice was enough incentive for them to make the change(s) necessary. It seems unlikely that my is enough, all by itself. What do you think, Ed? the short of it is _I_ have a dialup connection, but a dvd player, and I get the dvd version, so for _me_, I get the (preordered, and with club discount) dvd version. but that's just me. I don't have a clue as to the reasoning (besides making packeges fit together) behind making the first 2 cds over 650 megs and the last one around 450, maybe a chance to make the pressed versions a little different. or maybe the concept that a newer cdrom costs less than the powerpack, and they probly don't sell much to folks that can't put in a newer cdrom. T et wrote: well, to be honest, I have often found that sitting back and expecting the same from almost any group works best as far as predicting behavior. as long as the same is a long record of attempting excellence within the realm of Open Source and/or GNU, I see no reason to expect any less. I do agree that as far as a powerpack or prosuite, I would hope they could do the math over and figure that they have enough space left on the 3rd cd to make the first 2 isos down to 650 for the pressed and sale versions. I know it would cut into the pool of potential purchasers if the box needs to note that it only runs on computers with a CD reader newer than the last 2 years. that said, why not redo the ISOs and post a location to find them? On Sunday 06 October 2002 08:15 am, you wrote: Your welcome, Brian! I'm glad you found what your problem was. Now, what do you (and I who also have a CD-RW in my Linux 8.2 machine that won't read 700 MB CDs properly) and the others with this problem do about it? It seems that this will be a reoccurring theme until all of us get rid of our older CD-ROM/DVD-ROM/CD-RW drives. However, this might be a good opportunity to rally together as a group of users who feel that a change needs to be made. There's no reason beyond convenience for Mandrake (I include the very obvious cost factor of burning, packaging and shipping out one extra CD as part of this) to have any of the distribution disks larger than 650 MBs. At least for a little while longer. Mandrake would be sympathetic to our needs if they knew that there were enough users suffering from this problem. If a few of us make our thoughts known, we might get a second set of ISOs on-line. If a LOT of us make our needs very real to them, they might even see the logic of commercially producing a second set of CDS. We represent their proud and elite. We make them what they are by our presence on their listserv, helping users learn to get the most from their product. Our devoted and dedicated, not to mention the very fact that we choice their distribution over others, makes us their front line. They are aware of this, and I'm sure that they care. Howeverenough of us have to voice our concerns to make it be known to them that this is bigger concern than they might have once thought. Otherwise, things will continue on as they are and those of us with older drives on our Linux machines will have to buy new drives, find ways to reverse engineer the ISOs, or install in another way. We shouldn't have to do this. We shouldn't have to replace a good working piece of hardware (supported by the distro, at that!) just to install a newer version. Not yet. Not until our old machines are like 286 doorstops, I would think. Those of you who have been here longer than me must know of a proper way to make this request in
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems
On Monday 07 October 2002 07:04 am, you wrote: Whoa! That's quite a lot to ask for IMHO! By any chance, did anyone forget how much those download CD's cost you? Proud and Elite? Who says? Isn't that just a tad arrogant? I take pride in my knowledge of Linux as well, but an elitist attitude won't do any good here! Did you ever consider that with all the cash you're saving on NOT having to buy an O/S that you might consider buying a newer CD Burner? hell, his problem ain't even the burner it is the antique reader Elitist my ass! Stop your whining! Get a Grip! And a new burner. Flamers, please place comments here,... Lanman On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 06:25, Technoslick wrote: Exactly! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems
On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:55:43 -0400, you wrote: Your 24X Mitsumi IDE/ATAPI CD-ROM drive (Mfg. date - circa 1997) is designed to read CD-Rs, BUT is limited to a max storage capacity of 630 MBs in Mode 2 (standard read mode). You may not be able to read the Install CD for MDK 9 (~690+ MBs) properly or at all. Good one - hadn't thought of that. Is this burn of MDK 9 from the very same burner you used to make your MDK 8.2 CDs? Yes. Is your CD-RW capable of burning 700 MB CD-Rs? Yes. Have you checked disc number one for complete readability? Yes, but not on the Mitsumi drive. It sounds like the size of the first CD of MDK 9 is your problem. Either your burner cannot accommodate beyond 650 MBs No, it's not that. and/or your CD-ROM drive cannot read beyond that point (as your specs suggest!) Sounds likely. BTW: If you lack the specs on your CD-ROM drive, they are here: http://support.tulip.com/TulipExchange/Public/nlhe0016.nsf/332a0dc0f76dd553412567370035f4a2/3055793e2171be614125654c00493b53?OpenDocument (careful! one very long URL!) Shane has been able to trick some CD-ROM drives into reading beyond their mfg. capacity. However, if I understand him correctly, the drives at least allowed the install to get to the point of picking out the packages (where you could choose to nix those that were in the nether regions of your CD-R.) If you aren't able to get the installation to recognize the drive, it would seem this is a moot technique. Nope, the installation doesn't start up at all. Some things to consider in your hardware setup of drives and CD-ROMs for the future: 1. It would be best for your setup if you slaved the two drives together on the primary IDE channel and made the CD-ROM drive the master on the second IDE channel. It's really not best for the performance of the drive to have a CD-ROM on the same channel and can cause problems. Yes, I should switch them around - the PC used to have a third hard drive, but I had to steal that one for another PC. snip Does any of this help? Yes, I think you've probably got the answer with the capacity of the CD-ROM. Damn! I'd much sooner have seen Mandrake go to a fourth image than cause this problem - in fact, given that those of us who run both Windows and Linux will tend to use the older boxes for Linux (for obvious reasons!) I'd even question the commercial logic of Mandrake's decision. I guess the newer CD-ROMs aren't that expensive these days Thanks for the help, Brian. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems
Your welcome, Brian! I'm glad you found what your problem was. Now, what do you (and I who also have a CD-RW in my Linux 8.2 machine that won't read 700 MB CDs properly) and the others with this problem do about it? It seems that this will be a reoccurring theme until all of us get rid of our older CD-ROM/DVD-ROM/CD-RW drives. However, this might be a good opportunity to rally together as a group of users who feel that a change needs to be made. There's no reason beyond convenience for Mandrake (I include the very obvious cost factor of burning, packaging and shipping out one extra CD as part of this) to have any of the distribution disks larger than 650 MBs. At least for a little while longer. Mandrake would be sympathetic to our needs if they knew that there were enough users suffering from this problem. If a few of us make our thoughts known, we might get a second set of ISOs on-line. If a LOT of us make our needs very real to them, they might even see the logic of commercially producing a second set of CDS. We represent their proud and elite. We make them what they are by our presence on their listserv, helping users learn to get the most from their product. Our devoted and dedicated, not to mention the very fact that we choice their distribution over others, makes us their front line. They are aware of this, and I'm sure that they care. Howeverenough of us have to voice our concerns to make it be known to them that this is bigger concern than they might have once thought. Otherwise, things will continue on as they are and those of us with older drives on our Linux machines will have to buy new drives, find ways to reverse engineer the ISOs, or install in another way. We shouldn't have to do this. We shouldn't have to replace a good working piece of hardware (supported by the distro, at that!) just to install a newer version. Not yet. Not until our old machines are like 286 doorstops, I would think. Those of you who have been here longer than me must know of a proper way to make this request in numbers. I urge everyone, even those who are not plagued with this problem, to band together and let Mandrake know that we are hurting for change: a very small change that is possible and manageable. We do it right, with respect, but with an obvious underlining strength derived from need. Now that I have everyone's attention and the word mutiny being murmured is being whispered within the gathered crowd, does anyone have an productive ideas as to how we should make such a respectful plea to Mandrake with the greasiest impact possible? All for one, and one for all! (Sorry for that...I just recently watched the movie, The Musketeer.) :-D Rabble-Rousing T Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems
well, to be honest, I have often found that sitting back and expecting the same from almost any group works best as far as predicting behavior. as long as the same is a long record of attempting excellence within the realm of Open Source and/or GNU, I see no reason to expect any less. I do agree that as far as a powerpack or prosuite, I would hope they could do the math over and figure that they have enough space left on the 3rd cd to make the first 2 isos down to 650 for the pressed and sale versions. I know it would cut into the pool of potential purchasers if the box needs to note that it only runs on computers with a CD reader newer than the last 2 years. that said, why not redo the ISOs and post a location to find them? On Sunday 06 October 2002 08:15 am, you wrote: Your welcome, Brian! I'm glad you found what your problem was. Now, what do you (and I who also have a CD-RW in my Linux 8.2 machine that won't read 700 MB CDs properly) and the others with this problem do about it? It seems that this will be a reoccurring theme until all of us get rid of our older CD-ROM/DVD-ROM/CD-RW drives. However, this might be a good opportunity to rally together as a group of users who feel that a change needs to be made. There's no reason beyond convenience for Mandrake (I include the very obvious cost factor of burning, packaging and shipping out one extra CD as part of this) to have any of the distribution disks larger than 650 MBs. At least for a little while longer. Mandrake would be sympathetic to our needs if they knew that there were enough users suffering from this problem. If a few of us make our thoughts known, we might get a second set of ISOs on-line. If a LOT of us make our needs very real to them, they might even see the logic of commercially producing a second set of CDS. We represent their proud and elite. We make them what they are by our presence on their listserv, helping users learn to get the most from their product. Our devoted and dedicated, not to mention the very fact that we choice their distribution over others, makes us their front line. They are aware of this, and I'm sure that they care. Howeverenough of us have to voice our concerns to make it be known to them that this is bigger concern than they might have once thought. Otherwise, things will continue on as they are and those of us with older drives on our Linux machines will have to buy new drives, find ways to reverse engineer the ISOs, or install in another way. We shouldn't have to do this. We shouldn't have to replace a good working piece of hardware (supported by the distro, at that!) just to install a newer version. Not yet. Not until our old machines are like 286 doorstops, I would think. Those of you who have been here longer than me must know of a proper way to make this request in numbers. I urge everyone, even those who are not plagued with this problem, to band together and let Mandrake know that we are hurting for change: a very small change that is possible and manageable. We do it right, with respect, but with an obvious underlining strength derived from need. Now that I have everyone's attention and the word mutiny being murmured is being whispered within the gathered crowd, does anyone have an productive ideas as to how we should make such a respectful plea to Mandrake with the greasiest impact possible? All for one, and one for all! (Sorry for that...I just recently watched the movie, The Musketeer.) :-D Rabble-Rousing T Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems
On Sunday 06 October 2002 08:57 am, et wrote: well, to be honest, I have often found that sitting back and expecting the same from almost any group works best as far as predicting behavior. as long as the same is a long record of attempting excellence within the realm of Open Source and/or GNU, I see no reason to expect any less. I do agree that as far as a powerpack or prosuite, I would hope they could do the math over and figure that they have enough space left on the 3rd cd to make the first 2 isos down to 650 for the pressed and sale versions. I know it would cut into the pool of potential purchasers if the box needs to note that it only runs on computers with a CD reader newer than the last 2 years. that said, why not redo the ISOs and post a location to find them? snip I'm not sure that newer than the last 2 years statement would be accurate in all cases Ed. Both my CD-ROM and my CD-RW (a Liteon 40x LTN403L, and Mitsumi CR-4804-TE 4x4x24) are considerably older than 2 years old. Neither has a problem with larger media; nor have they since I checked for firmware updates and installed the relevant ones from the manufacturer's sites. That was the CD-RW, I don't remember doing anything with the Liteon and don't have any 'notes' in my odds'n'sods directory in my back-up partition about it. There was a firmware update for the Mitsumi. Two in fact; one specifically to handle larger media. The disks for 8.2 and 9.0beta2 were made with 700 MB blanks (Maxells, which appear to be made by Ritek) and the disks for Dolphin were made on 90 minute blanks from a spindle of 50 that I couldn't resist for the price. Seemed a waste of some space but it worked and full capacity was read by the CD-RW. The install of 9.0 was a breeze except for no desktop icons; but that was minor since I get rid of most of them anyway, then add a few of my own choosing for things I use often. BTW have you noticed how difficult it has become to buy 650 MB blanks in the past few months? The last -RWs I bought were 700 MB. I blame hardware and peripheral manufacturers a hell of a lot more for this type of trouble than I ever would the developers for any distribution. The convenience of the end user is a distant last place in the 'roadmaps' for all manufacturers. If it's considered at all. If you have a drive that won't read/write larger media correctly; and that's all you can buy, you'll likely have to buy something newer won't you? The manufacturers get the cash then, don't they? Manufacturers such as HP that don't even attempt to make older drives behave properly with newer media sizes and types won't get any of my upgrade dollars. Not that they ever have. :-) -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Economists can certainly disappoint you. One said that the economy would turn up by the last quarter. Well, I'm down to mine and it hasn't. -- Robert Orben Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems
On Sun, 2002-10-06 at 18:01, shane wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 06 October 2002 11:24 am, Alastair Scott did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: I have a feeling the next medium type to die off will be the 100MB Zip disk. someone has those? ;-) Uhh, me! Don't really use it, but yeah, got 'em. - -- When everyone agrees around here, it means that something must be wrong. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQE9oLKuBwq+ZwvIN/oRAsO6AJ97MMYfTxYa06oxbbpHpFLeRtmbUACVE8Ub 2sjxwwVJacUGzC5HHWYNrw== =RVoB -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- *Michael Notforyou* Registered Linux User #197888 Registered Linux Machine #166780 LINUX ON A COMPAQ PRESARIO 700 SERIES: http://www.quack-net.com/presario/ //42! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems
At 11:24 AM 10/6/2002 -0600, you wrote: huge snip of irrelevancies the disks for Dolphin were made on 90 minute blanks from a spindle of 50 that I couldn't resist for the price. We live in the same city... where the hell did you find 90 minute CD's!? --- Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems
Yeah...that, too. Geez... I got to stop writing these things late at night and at the end of a long day slaving over a hot computerI'm missing the obvious, now... T shane wrote: snip did you install from cd boot before? my older machines (166) simply do not boot correctly from cd. ever. floppy time.. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 installation problems
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:02:42 -0700, you wrote: On Friday 04 October 2002 7:12 pm, Brian Meadows did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: I'm trying to upgrade a box currently running Mandrake 8.2 (Pentium 133, 64 MB RAM, one 6.4GB hard drive as the primary master, a Mitsumi FX240S as the primary slave, and a second 2GB hard drive as the secondary master). Insert the 9.0 disk 1, with the PC set to boot from CD-ROM of course, I get the usual POST and BIOS messages, then the following did you install from cd boot before? my older machines (166) simply do not boot correctly from cd. ever. Yes. The machine boots from the CD-ROM just fine, that was how 8.2 was installed. I think the answer is the near 700 MB CD and the old drive. Brian. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: FW: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 i18n ISO
Hi... i want download Mandrake 9.0 iso too, but I still did not find the best server that have faster bandwidh to download it. may you give me, where you download the iso image of Mandrake 9.0 sorry my english i'm from indonesia. Teddy --- Craig Williamson (ENZ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again, I'll expand my logic. I have downloaded 3 ISO images: Mandrake90-cd1-inst.i586.iso MandrakeLinux-90-inst-1.i586.iso MandrakeLinux-90-inst-2.i586.iso There is another ISO image there: MandrakeLinux-90-i18n.i586.iso Do I need to download this. Because I'm confused to what I need to install Mandrake. Thanks again. Craig -Original Message- From: Craig Williamson (ENZ) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 04 October, 2002 11:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 i18n ISO Hi All, I finally downloaded it. Do you need to download the i18n ISO image or can you get away without it. Thanks in advance. Craig __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: FW: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 i18n ISO
Hi... i want download Mandrake 9.0 iso too, but I still did not find the best server that have faster bandwidh to download it. may you give me, where you download the iso image of Mandrake 9.0 sorry my english i'm from indonesia. Teddy --- Craig Williamson (ENZ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again, I'll expand my logic. I have downloaded 3 ISO images: Mandrake90-cd1-inst.i586.iso MandrakeLinux-90-inst-1.i586.iso MandrakeLinux-90-inst-2.i586.iso There is another ISO image there: MandrakeLinux-90-i18n.i586.iso Do I need to download this. Because I'm confused to what I need to install Mandrake. Thanks again. Craig -Original Message- From: Craig Williamson (ENZ) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 04 October, 2002 11:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 9.0 i18n ISO Hi All, I finally downloaded it. Do you need to download the i18n ISO image or can you get away without it. Thanks in advance. Craig __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
