Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 and KDE 3
Mark You can still use 'most' of the applications on your distribution CD's (including xmms) Those applications that use the KDE2.2.2 widget library libqt2 still work because you can keep libqt2 installed alongside the new libqt3. Those applicatons that use the gtk widget set are unaffected by the upgrade. A few applications (like komba2) need to be upgraded, but they are either included in the kde3 rpm or are available from places like Texstars site at www.pclinuxonline.com ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/ Many people have found installing KDE3.0.1 alongside KDE2.2.2 a straightforward experience. However my own experience is that 'disentangling' KDE2 and KDE3 takes a bit of work and even now my KDE2.2.2 comes up as a mixture of the two. Some useful links that may help you are http://www.club-nihil.net/mub/viewtopic.php?t=74 http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=2310 http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=1797 http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=1801 The best tip I can give is do not resort to 'forcing' RPMS You will probably regret it. HTH derek On Tuesday 04 June 2002 12:47 am, Mark Evans wrote: Hi Could someone answer a question regarding upgrading KDE from 2.2.1 to KDE 3 under Mandrake 8.1. Will the RPM's on the Mandrake distro disks still install under KDE 3? I have read sonewhere that KDE 2... binaries are not compatible with KDE 3. I don't want to install KDE 3 only to find that I can't install other software, such as XMMS for example. Mark Evans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 and KDE 3
Derek Jennings wrote: On Monday 10 June 2002 1:05 am, Mark D. Weaver wrote: Derek Jennings wrote: Just as I pressed 'send' on that last message I realised you are upgrading from Mandrake 8.1 with KDE2.2.1 You can still upgrade to KDE3, but you will not be able to use any of Texstars' KDE3 RPMs since they are for 8.2 derek Derek, I realize this is a few days late, but I thought I'd add my two cents to this thread. I've got Mandrake 8.2 running and it took three installs, the last one being done without kde at all in order to get kde301 installed and working on this machine. I don't know what they've done to KDE to make thing so miserable the packages so impossible to install, but I'd love to find out. The first two attempts completely destroyed the X server rendering the box concole only. The last install, as I mentioned was done on the machine where KDE didn't exist at all and even then it was a HUGE pain in the ass to get the packages to install. two days worth of dependency issues to resolve and even after ALL the dependency issue were taken care of would run the package install with the --test argument and it would tell me that it such and such a package conflicted with one of the kde3 packages I was trying to install. (as I mentioned I installed the system without KDE). the fact that it was complaining about file conflicts between a non-existant kde installation and the one I was attempting to UPGRADE to was more then I could bear. Since I knew there weren't any real reasons for there to be a problem I decided to go ahead with the install. while I didn't have to use the --force argument I did have to use a very similarly forceful means to get the packages to install. and through it all urpmi not only was NOT my friend but was completely useless. the final command with which to install everything looked like this: rpm -Uvh --replacepkgs --replacefiles --nodeps *.rpm So, my one and only question here is what in the world happened to kde and those packages that they're so miserable to install these days? I was expecting the texstar packages to be faster performing, and they are, but as they are a newbie would never be able to get these things installed without killing their system and wanting to walk away from this bad experience forever! Mark Yes, the experience of installing KDE3 has been mixed for many people. With my install it took me the best part of 2 days to get everything installed. Most of that time was spent 'disentangling' KDE2 and KDE3 (Try looking at the 'About' tab in applications like kmixer for example) Moving KDE3 to /opt has caused a lot of the problems. Many of the scripts still call applications in /usr so you end with a mixture of KDE2 and 3. Texstar has got a revised 'startkde' script which resolves that. Also if you want to use KDE3's version of kdm :- Edit /etc/X11/prefdm to set the PATH PATH=/opt/kde3/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin on the next boot it will find kde3 kdm KDE3 is clearly still 'work in progress', which of course is why Mandrake were right in not including it in the 8.2 release. Be prepared to spend some time struggling with it. derek Thankfully, since the install is complete it's been fine since. not a bit of trouble. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 and KDE 3
Just as I pressed 'send' on that last message I realised you are upgrading from Mandrake 8.1 with KDE2.2.1 You can still upgrade to KDE3, but you will not be able to use any of Texstars' KDE3 RPMs since they are for 8.2 derek On Tuesday 04 June 2002 12:47 am, Mark Evans wrote: Hi Could someone answer a question regarding upgrading KDE from 2.2.1 to KDE 3 under Mandrake 8.1. Will the RPM's on the Mandrake distro disks still install under KDE 3? I have read sonewhere that KDE 2... binaries are not compatible with KDE 3. I don't want to install KDE 3 only to find that I can't install other software, such as XMMS for example. Mark Evans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 and KDE 3
Cheers Derek I will give it a go Thanks Mark On Wednesday 05 June 2002 10:04 pm, Derek Jennings wrote: Mark You can still use 'most' of the applications on your distribution CD's (including xmms) Those applications that use the KDE2.2.2 widget library libqt2 still work because you can keep libqt2 installed alongside the new libqt3. Those applicatons that use the gtk widget set are unaffected by the upgrade. A few applications (like komba2) need to be upgraded, but they are either included in the kde3 rpm or are available from places like Texstars site at www.pclinuxonline.com ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/ Many people have found installing KDE3.0.1 alongside KDE2.2.2 a straightforward experience. However my own experience is that 'disentangling' KDE2 and KDE3 takes a bit of work and even now my KDE2.2.2 comes up as a mixture of the two. Some useful links that may help you are http://www.club-nihil.net/mub/viewtopic.php?t=74 http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=2310 http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=1797 http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=1801 The best tip I can give is do not resort to 'forcing' RPMS You will probably regret it. HTH derek On Tuesday 04 June 2002 12:47 am, Mark Evans wrote: Hi Could someone answer a question regarding upgrading KDE from 2.2.1 to KDE 3 under Mandrake 8.1. Will the RPM's on the Mandrake distro disks still install under KDE 3? I have read sonewhere that KDE 2... binaries are not compatible with KDE 3. I don't want to install KDE 3 only to find that I can't install other software, such as XMMS for example. Mark Evans -- Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Mandrake 8.1, KDE 2.2.1, KMail 1.3.1 Pretend to spank me -- I'm a pseudo-masochist! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 cd 3
You can find the individual rpms from cd3 on the ftp servers Try ftp.sunet.se It has 8.2 but does not appear in the download list yet so it is not overloaded. CD3 rpms are here /pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/8.2/contrib/i586 derek On Tuesday 19 March 2002 09:28, Heather Reed wrote: Hi folks Is there anywhere on the net that the 3rd CD can be obtained in bite sized chunks? I have the ISOs for 1 and 2 from a mag cover disk, but the 3rd wasn't included. Is this because it isn't free? I was installing something the other day and software manager asked for it. I've found a complete ISO on the net, but I don't have broadband and the download kept timing out :-(( Heather Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 won't boot from hard drive
Mozy wrote: Hi All, After installing Mandrake 81 on a Dell Dimension XPS T500 with two IDE CD drives (one a CDRW) and two IDE hard drives (Western Digital and Maxtor) I can't get the system to boot without using a boot disk During the install Grub was supposed to have been installed in the MBR I tried various partitioning schemes, I even tried using LILO instead of Grub, all to no avail Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? I have the system up and running just fine, I just don't like having to rely on a boot disk to boot upnot that I have to reboot that often :) TIA Bryan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://wwwmandrakestorecom Are the WD and the Maxtor on the same channel? If so, split them and try a reinstall But anyway you should be aware that WD OFFICIALLY does not support linux Their hardware also fakes the CRC required for ATA/66 and higher and should be read back after every write for data integrity verification GRUB is the required boot manager if you are not on the first disk with at least /boot or /, at least for 81 It appears that LILO may be able to handle it in its current version, finally Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://wwwmandrakestorecom
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 won't boot from hard drive
Kaj, I followed your instructions...didn't help. :( /sbin/lilo results were: Added linux * Added linux-nonfb Added failsafe Added floppy lilo.conf is: boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b vga=normal default=linux keytable=/boot/us.klt lba32 prompt timeout=100 message=/boot/message menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw image=/boot/vmlinuz label=linux root=/dev/hda1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append= hdd=ide-scsi devfs=mount quiet vga=normal read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz label=linux-nonfb root=/dev/hda1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append= hdd=ide-scsi devfs=mount read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz label=failsafe root=/dev/hda1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append= hdd=ide-scsi devfs=mount failsafe read-only other=/dev/fd0 label=floppy unsafe fstab is: /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults 1 1 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hdb7 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,exec,codepage=850,ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom2 auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,exec,codepage=850,ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,sync,exec,codepage=850,noauto 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hdb5 /usr ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdb1 /var ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hdb6 swap swap defaults 0 0 Thanks for your help. Bryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kaj Haulrich Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 won't boot from hard drive Mozy wrote: Hi All, After installing Mandrake 8.1 on a Dell Dimension XPS T500 with two IDE CD drives (one a CDRW) and two IDE hard drives (Western Digital and Maxtor) I can't get the system to boot without using a boot disk. During the install Grub was supposed to have been installed in the MBR. I tried various partitioning schemes, I even tried using LILO instead of Grub, all to no avail. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? I have the system up and running just fine, I just don't like having to rely on a boot disk to boot up...not that I have to reboot that often. :) TIA Bryan Bryan, IMHO Grub is not very mature, at least I had a headache figuring it out and never got it working properly anyhow. Try this : run KDE or Gnome, open Control Center, become root, click Boot, then Boot Config. Now, in the upper, right corner, click Configure, select lilo, and then the place where your MBR shall live, i.e. /dev/hda. Make additional adjustments to your liking, save everything and exit. That is supposed to be all. As an extra precaution, I would open a console, become root once again, and then type the command : /sbin/lilo (everything withour the quotes,of course). The output from lilo should tell you if everything is OK. If you have further trouble, please post your /etc/lilo.conf and /etc/fstab to the list. HTH Kaj Haulrich Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 won't boot from hard drive
Mozy wrote: Kaj, I followed your instructions...didn't help. :( /sbin/lilo results were: Added linux * Added linux-nonfb Added failsafe Added floppy lilo.conf is: boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b vga=normal default=linux keytable=/boot/us.klt lba32 prompt timeout=100 message=/boot/message menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw image=/boot/vmlinuz label=linux root=/dev/hda1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append= hdd=ide-scsi devfs=mount quiet vga=normal read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz label=linux-nonfb root=/dev/hda1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append= hdd=ide-scsi devfs=mount read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz label=failsafe root=/dev/hda1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append= hdd=ide-scsi devfs=mount failsafe read-only other=/dev/fd0 label=floppy unsafe fstab is: /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults 1 1 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hdb7 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,exec,codepage=850,ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom2 auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,exec,codepage=850,ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,sync,exec,codepage=850,noauto 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hdb5 /usr ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdb1 /var ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hdb6 swap swap defaults 0 0 Thanks for your help. Bryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kaj Haulrich Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 won't boot from hard drive Mozy wrote: Hi All, After installing Mandrake 8.1 on a Dell Dimension XPS T500 with two IDE CD drives (one a CDRW) and two IDE hard drives (Western Digital and Maxtor) I can't get the system to boot without using a boot disk. During the install Grub was supposed to have been installed in the MBR. I tried various partitioning schemes, I even tried using LILO instead of Grub, all to no avail. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? I have the system up and running just fine, I just don't like having to rely on a boot disk to boot up...not that I have to reboot that often. :) TIA Bryan Bryan, IMHO Grub is not very mature, at least I had a headache figuring it out and never got it working properly anyhow. Try this : run KDE or Gnome, open Control Center, become root, click Boot, then Boot Config. Now, in the upper, right corner, click Configure, select lilo, and then the place where your MBR shall live, i.e. /dev/hda. Make additional adjustments to your liking, save everything and exit. That is supposed to be all. As an extra precaution, I would open a console, become root once again, and then type the command : /sbin/lilo (everything withour the quotes,of course). The output from lilo should tell you if everything is OK. If you have further trouble, please post your /etc/lilo.conf and /etc/fstab to the list. HTH Kaj Haulrich Bryan, to me everything seems to be OK in your fstab and lilo.conf , just wondering : why 2 swap-partitions ? Not that it matters, though. Anyway, admitting that it's beyond me, I think there was a thread about 2 weeks ago concerning boot-issues on a two-harddisk system. Fairly similar to your problem AFAIR. Tryt a search on the mail archive with something like MBR + hda + hdb. Sorry, I'm out of ideas :-( Kaj Haulrich Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 won't boot from hard drive
Mozy wrote: Hi All, After installing Mandrake 8.1 on a Dell Dimension XPS T500 with two IDE CD drives (one a CDRW) and two IDE hard drives (Western Digital and Maxtor) I can't get the system to boot without using a boot disk. During the install Grub was supposed to have been installed in the MBR. I tried various partitioning schemes, I even tried using LILO instead of Grub, all to no avail. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? I have the system up and running just fine, I just don't like having to rely on a boot disk to boot up...not that I have to reboot that often. :) TIA Bryan Bryan, IMHO Grub is not very mature, at least I had a headache figuring it out and never got it working properly anyhow. Try this : run KDE or Gnome, open Control Center, become root, click Boot, then Boot Config. Now, in the upper, right corner, click Configure, select lilo, and then the place where your MBR shall live, i.e. /dev/hda. Make additional adjustments to your liking, save everything and exit. That is supposed to be all. As an extra precaution, I would open a console, become root once again, and then type the command : /sbin/lilo (everything withour the quotes,of course). The output from lilo should tell you if everything is OK. If you have further trouble, please post your /etc/lilo.conf and /etc/fstab to the list. HTH Kaj Haulrich Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 and Lilo vs Win98: Solved
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:50:09 +, you wrote: On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:52:25 +, you wrote: Theproblem is that booting Windows from the Lilo menu I can no longer see the D: drive under Windows. this also sounds like the old bug regarding the 'relabelling' of the extended partition' to a linux extended partition, but from the archives this seem to have been fixed beyond lm 7.2, anyway 'fdisk /dev/hda' and 'p' to display the parttion types will tell you what partitions you have /dev/hda2 640 1149 4096575 1c Hidden Win95 FAT32 mounted on /mnt/win_d OK folks, solved it. 1. use fdisk to change the partition to type c from 1c and Linux still happily reads it. 1.1 reboot Mandrake - check with fdisk and the partition is type c still. Check, by copying all the data off again that the partition is still readable. 2. Boot '98, and hda2 dissappears 3. Reboot Mandrake and hda2 is magically set back to type 1c (hidden) again... 4. Look under Windows '98 fdisk See 4 partitions, 1 C: drive Primary DOS 2 non-DOS (this is the 2bd 'Primary' partition 3 non-DOS 4 Extended Recall DOS will only recognise 2 'DOS' partitions: 1 Primary (C:) and 1 Extended (containing logical drives D: E: etc) Infer that partition hda2 (intended D: drive) can't exist as a 2nd 'primary DOS' partition under the DOS compatability rules and is therefore marked hidden on '98's boot to stop the rest of '98 getting confused. (isn't legacy compatability wonderful!) Options: - Use fdisk to mark hda2 as an extended partition, beside the primary DOS one, so hda1 and hda2 boot under '98 as C and D. This was rejected as most of my Mandrake install was in the currently existing Extended partition and I didn't want to loose it by trying to have 2 Extended partitions .. having learnt my lesson trying to have 2 primary partitions :- - keep hda2 for use only under Linux despite it's fat32 formatting - Trash hda2 and re-create it as a Linux partition (ext2): This is the route chosen. If I really want to use it from Windows i'll run explore2fs. I've now got: 1 DOS primary (C:) 5Gb 2 non-dos 4Gb 3 non-dos 5Gb 4 Extended 25Gb The DOS Extended partition contains only Linux partitions!. Perhaps I could delete one and use the space to install a FAT32 formatted logical drive there so I get D: back hmmm, maybe later :- I've now got a 40Gb disk with 5Gb for Windows and the rest for Linux .. which dual boots happily under Windows '98 and Mandrake 8.1 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 and Lilo vs Win98
On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:52:25 +, you wrote: Theproblem is that booting Windows from the Lilo menu I can no longer see the D: drive under Windows. this also sounds like the old bug regarding the 'relabelling' of the extended partition' to a linux extended partition, but from the archives this seem to have been fixed beyond lm 7.2, anyway 'fdisk /dev/hda' and 'p' to display the parttion types will tell you what partitions you have Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 4867 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 4867 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 639 5132736c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hda2 640 1149 4096575 1c Hidden Win95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hda3 1150 1787 5124735 83 Linux /dev/hda4 1788 4867 247401005 Extended /dev/hda5 1788 2425 5124703+ 83 Linux /dev/hda6 2426 3063 5124703+ 83 Linux /dev/hda7 3064 3446 3076416 83 Linux /dev/hda8 3447 3574 1028128+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hda9 3575 4867 10385991 83 Linux Bascule, Thank you for the pointer .. from the fdisk output above you can see /dev/hda2 is set to Hidden Win95 Fat32 rather than Win95 FAT32. I think this is the problem but don't know how to edit the partition type without destroying the partition. Can anyone out there point me at the solution? Tony Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 vs. SuSE 7.3
Jose Mirles wrote: But all in all, I like Mandrake better. However, since suse is going to adhere to the Linux standard in placing their files, I may switch back to suse. Jose, Have you (or someone else) heard that Mandrake is not going to adhere to the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard? I'm assuming they will comply, maybe not completely yet or in the next release, but reasonably soon. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 vs. SuSE 7.3
i haven't heard, and would find it hard to believe, i rather thought the slow migration of certain files to certain places i have seen from version to version is part of following the new standards. anyone with real information? not just guesses like us ;-) On Monday 18 February 2002 07:14, you spoke unto me thusly: Have you (or someone else) heard that Mandrake is not going to adhere to the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard? I'm assuming they will comply, maybe not completely yet or in the next release, but reasonably soon. -- ... the only people I fear, are those who never have doubts -Billy Joel shane registered linux user @ http://counter.li.org/ http://shentzu.home.mindspring.com/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org cause humans do it better! Link different. Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 vs. SuSE 7.3
Civilme and others have stated that mandrake is moving over to being 100% compliant with the standard.. in fact I think 8.1 was actually 99% compliant, (or thereabouts.) Check the archives for civilme's posts on the subject. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of shane Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 2:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 vs. SuSE 7.3 i haven't heard, and would find it hard to believe, i rather thought the slow migration of certain files to certain places i have seen from version to version is part of following the new standards. anyone with real information? not just guesses like us ;-) On Monday 18 February 2002 07:14, you spoke unto me thusly: Have you (or someone else) heard that Mandrake is not going to adhere to the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard? I'm assuming they will comply, maybe not completely yet or in the next release, but reasonably soon. -- ... the only people I fear, are those who never have doubts -Billy Joel shane registered linux user @ http://counter.li.org/ http://shentzu.home.mindspring.com/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org cause humans do it better! Link different. Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 vs. SuSE 7.3
On Monday 18 February 2002 09:14, you wrote: Jose Mirles wrote: But all in all, I like Mandrake better. However, since suse is going to adhere to the Linux standard in placing their files, I may switch back to suse. Jose, Have you (or someone else) heard that Mandrake is not going to adhere to the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard? I'm assuming they will comply, maybe not completely yet or in the next release, but reasonably soon. Randy Kramer According to earlier posts way back when, from Deno or Civileme, can't remember which, Mandrakesoft fully intends to make the distribution 100% standards compliant. Of course the can not necessarily speak for some of the commercial packages that they include in boxed sets. But the OS itself is being setup for the FHS and could conform within the next distro after 8.2 as I recall. Somebody correct me if I remember this wrong. HTH -- Dennis M. registered linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 vs. SuSE 7.3
shane wrote: i haven't heard, and would find it hard to believe, i rather thought the slow migration of certain files to certain places i have seen from version to version is part of following the new standards. anyone with real information? not just guesses like us ;-) On Monday 18 February 2002 07:14, you spoke unto me thusly: Have you (or someone else) heard that Mandrake is not going to adhere to the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard? I'm assuming they will comply, maybe not completely yet or in the next release, but reasonably soon. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Where do you think we don't? I believe migration is fairly complete. There are gray areas like KDE and other WMs--they can be treated like integral parts of the system and installed in /usr or like add-in software and installed in /opt/(windowmanagername), and neither FHS 2.2 nor LSB 1.0 say anything about it or offer any guidance. I check the /usr/doc and usr/packagename/doc files regularly and rebuild rpms to put those things into /usr/share/doc where they belong, and all our commercial software packages are set to install in /opt/(packagename) So where, exactly, do you think we don't comply? BTW the bogus /media directory once proposed in March 2001 was never adopted in the FHS final. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 vs. SuSE 7.3
civileme wrote: So where, exactly, do you think we don't comply? civileme, Someone posted about switching from Mandrake to SuSe because SuSe complied or was going to comply, thus hinting that Mandrake would not. That surprised me so I asked where he heard that. regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 vs. SuSE 7.3
first the disclaimer, one mans theology is another mans belly laugh. a must have distro for me may be unusable for you, but... the 2 highest rated distros in most of the current reviews i have found are, you guessed it, suse and mandrake. most place them the same, a few give a slight edge to mandrake, one a slight edge to suse. i am sorry i have not bookmarked all the pages this comes from, but this was my overall impression. in my opinion, the downfall of suse is no simple iso download. the only iso files for i386 suse are live cd. while i really like the live cd idea (and would like to see mandrake release one, hint hint nudge nudge to everyone how reads this at mandrake) i also want the easy iso download for the real install. on the plus side, if you want to try out suse, you can do so (assuming you machine is fairly new) directly from cd, with no haddrive modification needed. in short, i have 2 machines in the office, if i didn't need win2k on the one my wife uses for work i would have one mandrake and one suse machine, and happily pay for both. since i can only have one, i run mandrake. YMMV On Sunday 17 February 2002 07:43, you spoke unto me thusly: Any thoughts on how they compare? -- 'Windows for Dummies' is much more than a book title, it's a Microsoft way of life! shane registered linux user @ http://counter.li.org/ http://shentzu.home.mindspring.com/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org cause humans do it better! Link different. Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 vs. SuSE 7.3
Thanks for your help. - At 09:12 AM 2/17/2002 -0800, you wrote: first the disclaimer, one mans theology is another mans belly laugh. a must have distro for me may be unusable for you, but... the 2 highest rated distros in most of the current reviews i have found are, you guessed it, suse and mandrake. most place them the same, a few give a slight edge to mandrake, one a slight edge to suse. i am sorry i have not bookmarked all the pages this comes from, but this was my overall impression. in my opinion, the downfall of suse is no simple iso download. the only iso files for i386 suse are live cd. while i really like the live cd idea (and would like to see mandrake release one, hint hint nudge nudge to everyone how reads this at mandrake) i also want the easy iso download for the real install. on the plus side, if you want to try out suse, you can do so (assuming you machine is fairly new) directly from cd, with no haddrive modification needed. in short, i have 2 machines in the office, if i didn't need win2k on the one my wife uses for work i would have one mandrake and one suse machine, and happily pay for both. since i can only have one, i run mandrake. YMMV On Sunday 17 February 2002 07:43, you spoke unto me thusly: Any thoughts on how they compare? -- 'Windows for Dummies' is much more than a book title, it's a Microsoft way of life! shane registered linux user @ http://counter.li.org/ http://shentzu.home.mindspring.com/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org cause humans do it better! Link different. Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 and Lilo vs Win98
Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:34:33 +: In attempt to throw the authorities off his trail, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] transmitted: Theproblem is that booting Windows from the Lilo menu I can no longer see the D: drive under Windows. Where did you install Mandrake again? If you slapped it on the partition formerly known as D:, it's probably been re(logically)-partitioned and formatted as ext2, which Windows won't read. There's another thread going on about mounting a Linux partition under Windows and the recommended solution seems to be Explore2fs: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm That doesn't seem to give you write access, however. If you really must have access to everything from within Windows, consider running it within a VMWare session and connecting to the loopback via PuTTY. - Chris Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 and Lilo vs Win98
this also sounds like the old bug regarding the 'relabelling' of the extended partition' to a linux extended partition, but from the archives this seem to have been fixed beyond lm 7.2, anyway 'fdisk /dev/hda' and 'p' to display the parttion types will tell you what partitions you have, if by some cahnce you have got a 'relabelled' extended partition you can change the id back to what it should be, however this might not be your problem since you are installing 8.1 and i'm not aware that this presents that particualr problem, have a look anyway bascule On Saturday 16 February 2002 11:31 pm, you wrote: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:34:33 +: In attempt to throw the authorities off his trail, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] transmitted: Theproblem is that booting Windows from the Lilo menu I can no longer see the D: drive under Windows. -- 'Never trust a ruler who puts his faith in tunnels and bunkers and escape routes. The chances are that his heart isn't in the job.' (Guards! Guards!) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 disk 2 3
Title: RE: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 disk 2 3 Take a look at this page, the CDs 23 should correspond to those in the retail packs so Second Install CD and Supplementary Open Source Apps CD are what you would get with download CDs. HTH http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/81/applications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 disk 2 3 Hi list, I just recently learned of there being a disk 2 3 to the MD8.1 'set'(from a reply in htis mailing list actually). Now before I download this 1.36 Gig for the other disks, can someone inform me of what is on them and its importance to me? tia Dave
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 disk 2 3
thanks.. downloading now On Tue, 2002-02-12 at 09:56, Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote: Take a look at this page, the CDs 23 should correspond to those in the retail packs so Second Install CD and Supplementary Open Source Apps CD are what you would get with download CDs. HTH http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/81/applications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 disk 2 3 Hi list, I just recently learned of there being a disk 2 3 to the MD8.1 'set'(from a reply in htis mailing list actually). Now before I download this 1.36 Gig for the other disks, can someone inform me of what is on them and its importance to me? tia Dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 books?
Again not Mandrake specific but IBM have released a set of tutorials aimed at Linux certification, downloadable in PDF format and IIRC HTML. http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/ -- Poogle. Derby,England Linux MDK 8.1 with kernel 2.4.17-5 mdk using Kmail 2.1.1 Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. -- Mark Twain 5:05pm up 36 min, 2 users, load average: 0.20, 0.25, 0.23 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 books?
If you order PowerPack there are a few good pdf/html books included with in the cds, cheaper in the long run then buying the hard copies. These books include KDE/Gimp/Mandrake. On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Stojs wrote: Is there a good book for beginners about mandrake 8.1? Preferable a printed one, but a digital one would be ok. I would like it to cover from basic stuff like installing rpms and tarballs to networking with windows and internet as an ftp server. Thanks in advance, Stojs Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 books?
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Stojs wrote: Is there a good book for beginners about mandrake 8.1? Preferable a printed one, but a digital one would be ok. I would like it to cover from basic stuff like installing rpms and tarballs to networking with windows and internet as an ftp server. Thanks in advance, Stojs I just bought the power pack, and the Installation and especially the Reference books are practically worth the price by themselves...and then I noticed the Ebooks included on one of the CDs! Go with the Power Pack, Stojs, you won't regret it. Except for the so called Commercial Apps, which are really just demos...I really wish Mandrake had been more up front about that; with the list of stuff you get, I'd have happily bought the power pack anyways. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 books?
Stojs wrote: Is there a good book for beginners about mandrake 8.1? Preferable a printed one, but a digital one would be ok. I would like it to cover from basic stuff like installing rpms and tarballs to networking with windows and internet as an ftp server. Running Linux, by Matt Welsh, Matthias Kalle Dalheimer Lar Kaufman. O'Reilly ISBN 1-56592-469-x. Althoug not mandrake-specific, highly recommeded ! Kaj Haulrich Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 books?
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Stojs wrote: Is there a good book for beginners about mandrake 8.1? Preferable a printed one, but a digital one would be ok. I would like it to cover Running Linux, by Matt Welsh, Matthias Kalle Dalheimer Lar Kaufman. O'Reilly ISBN 1-56592-469-x. Althoug not mandrake-specific, highly recommeded ! Kaj Haulrich Kaj, I'll second that! John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1, VMWare and Networking
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 06:27, Greg Smith wrote: I would like to attach to a network share on a MSWindows machine. I'm stumped!! Even just a referral as to where I can read up on this. I have found lots of info on Samba and how to connect to a Linux share from an MSWindows machine, but not the other way. Greg First off, you need to make sure you have the samba-client package installed. Here's what my laptop reports: [dave@dedannshae dave]$ rpm -qa|grep samba samba-common-2.2.2-3.2mdk samba-client-2.2.2-3.2mdk [dave@dedannshae dave]$ Notice that I do not have the samba-server package installed. I don't share anything on my laptop, I just take from other shares :-) Once you know you've got the necessary packages installed, you can use the command-line samba client like this: [dave@dedannshae dave]$ smbclient -L numidea added interface ip=10.0.0.93 bcast=10.0.0.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 Password: Sharename Type Comment - --- PRINTER$ Disk HPDJ400Printer HOME Disk IPC$ IPC Remote Inter Process Communication Server Comment ---- WorkgroupMaster ---- [dave@dedannshae dave]$ to get a list of available shares on a computer named numidea. I see that there is a HOME share, so I can mount it like this: [dave@dedannshae dave]$ smbmount //numidea/home mnt/numidea/home/ Password: [dave@dedannshae dave]$ This assumes I have a mnt/ directory in my home directory, with numidea/home/ as further subdirectories of mnt/. There are also several GUI clients which make this much prettier (but, IMO, not any easier). However, I generally mount the share from the command line, then simply use Nautilus to browse to the directory and do what I need to do. Dave -- Beware the wrath of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1, VMWare and Networking
Greg Smith wrote: I would like to attach to a network share on a MSWindows machine. I'm stumped!! Try this: http://www.twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/SambaMount I'm going to revise it soon, because it would be more clear if I mentioned that this is what you need to use to mount a shared drive from a Windows machine on a Linux machine. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 / Win 2k
Not sure how to get you going again, but I can tell you what the 'LIL' means. Check out http://linux-embedded.com/howto/Bootdisk-HOWTO-12.html derek On Tuesday 15 January 2002 21:07, you wrote: Hi. I've got Mandrake 8.1 and Win 2k on my computer. I use Mandrake's LILO to choose which OS I want to use. I used Partion Magic to resize my partitons. Now LILO wont start up. All I get is LIL- and then nothing Any ideas on how I can get LILO working again? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 / Win 2k
On Tuesday 15 January 2002 15:07, you wrote: Hi. I've got Mandrake 8.1 and Win 2k on my computer. I use Mandrake's LILO to choose which OS I want to use. I used Partion Magic to resize my partitons. Now LILO wont start up. All I get is LIL- and then nothing Any ideas on how I can get LILO working again? you probably will have to use your linux boot disk or CD # 1 and boot into linux that way then go into the Mandrake Control Center and make sure everything is correct in the lilo boot configuration. Do a save on it and then go into su console and type in /sbin/lilo. That should reset lilo for you. HTH -- Dennis M. registered linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 on a sony vaio
Saturday, January 05, 2002, 3:12:28 AM, you wrote: CJ I wonder if anyone has had the experience of installing Md 8.1 on a Sony CJ Vaio PCG-982L ( the number on the back of the lap top). However the CJ system information windows says it's a PCG-FX250(UC). In trying to find CJ the other information, I get: an Intel Pentium III, 800 mhz, 256k RAM, CJ 20gig hard drive, running windows ME. Bios are PheonixBios 4.0. CJ Intel(R)82815 graphics controller.AnologDevicesInc Soundmax.Cd is a CJ Matshita ujda710. Modem is a Conexant-Ambit 56k DataFax Internal. CJ I don't know where to go to get the motherboard or other designations. CJ But the problem is that both Md 8.0 and 8.1 freeze up at configuring CJ PCMIA cards, which is right up front on the install. CJ Any help or experience would be appreciated. CJ Chuck Check here first http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/errata.php3 if none works, try passing these options to the installation kernel noauto noapic nousb ide=noautotune,noprobe vga16 Like when you are booting your cd, type linux noauto or multiple commands linux noauto noapic nousb Good Luck Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 and mandrake-update
At 18:33 20.12.2001 -0500, you wrote: On Thursday 20 December 2001 18:21, you wrote: At 21:47 20.12.2001 +, you wrote: hi derek, 1) why the hell is the window which lists all the updates so SMALL ? on my screen the list of all the updates is about 2cm in height - with scrolling arrows next to it. its not possible to resize the list - to see more packages at one time, so there are only about 5-8 visible at a time. this is really annoying. True the default window size is small, but if you grab that little grey box at the bottom right of the window you can drag it out and resize it. i can drag the overall window ? - but not the small list of packages ? hmmi will give this a try 2) i choose the packages that i want upgraded - and it begins to search for the packages - after a while it replies an error occured while fetching package x Yes that seems to happen. Some mirrors seem to be considerably worse than others. sourceforge for example has always given me trouble in that respect. Since I switched to sunite.se, I have had no trouble. yes i thought of that too and tried mirrors in austria, germany, france and the sunsite mirror u spoke of. the only package which i was able to download was the mozilla upgrade - nothing else worked. despite of this mandrake-update isnt able to fetch the file - this SUCKS ! 3) sometimes i am not able to start mandrake-update at all - it loads partially - leaving me with a grey main-window I find just getting a few files at a time has more chance of success than a mega upgrade. u r right - but i didnt do a mega-upgrade. for example i tried to upgrade samba-client and server - and mandrake-update came up with a bunch of about 8 packages which the samba packages were depending on. i also tried to select just single packages - which didnt work tooi think the mandrake-update app is simply not ready for use... another thing i hate about the desktop-linux is that there is no browser that can view websites properly. regardless which fonts/font-size/browser i use - i always get bad-looking fonts - not so smooth like ms-ie shows. Well my fonts look terrific, on my desktop and in all my browsers, Konqeuror, Opera, and Galeon, and I wonder why yours does not. One thing might be worth checking. If you open kde Control CenterLookNFeelFonts Open up the drop down list of fonts. If you do not see adobe-helvetica, and mdk-helvetica in that list, then you may be suffering from a KDE 'bug' I had myself recently. The symptoms would be really ugly fonts, and the font appearance would improve if I disabled alti-aliasing in kde. Could it be a video card deficiency? My fonts look great in all 3 of my computers, one with Geforce256, one with Geforce2MX, and the 3rd a crummy old laptop with heaven knows what graphics chip. hmm-.i use a geforce2 pro - and it was recognized by the mandrake-installer with no probs... HTH derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Just thought I would jump in here, if you are using a 56K modem the downloads on the Mandrake update sites can take quite some time. ehm -no, i am using a 512 kbit adsl line - so that should be no prob. And the box will be grey with nothing on it for a while, until it gets enough data transfered or until the transfer starts. hmmm - it doenst look like that - its simply frozen I have been on some sites that I waited for up to 10 minutes before I got an indication of a download occurring. So, I guess what I am saying is try it again and let it sit there for what you begin to feel is an unreasonable amount of time because the servers seem to be slow. well - i dont have to wait that long - because it tells me that it cant download the packages after about 2-3 mins the grey window i spoke before comes up when i initially start the application -not the download. --quay -- Dennis M. registered linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 and mandrake-update
On Thursday 20 December 2001 23:33, Dennis Myers wrote: True the default window size is small, but if you grab that little grey box at the bottom right of the window you can drag it out and resize it. i can drag the overall window ? - but not the small list of packages ? hmmi will give this a try Yes it's the lttle tiny grey square just under and to the right of the display of files that you should grab and pull down. The updater uses the Tcl toolkit and so does not have the widgets you are used to in kde. i also tried to select just single packages - which didnt work tooi think the mandrake-update app is simply not ready for use... Right after I read your original mail I used updater to get the latest samba files. It all worked perfectly. Maybe its because I'm on broadband? derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 and mandrake-update
1) why the hell is the window which lists all the updates so SMALL ? on my screen the list of all the updates is about 2cm in height - with scrolling arrows next to it. its not possible to resize the list - to see more packages at one time, so there are only about 5-8 visible at a time. this is really annoying. True the default window size is small, but if you grab that little grey box at the bottom right of the window you can drag it out and resize it. 2) i choose the packages that i want upgraded - and it begins to search for the packages - after a while it replies an error occured while fetching package x Yes that seems to happen. Some mirrors seem to be considerably worse than others. sourceforge for example has always given me trouble in that respect. Since I switched to sunite.se, I have had no trouble. despite of this mandrake-update isnt able to fetch the file - this SUCKS ! 3) sometimes i am not able to start mandrake-update at all - it loads partially - leaving me with a grey main-window I find just getting a few files at a time has more chance of success than a mega upgrade. another thing i hate about the desktop-linux is that there is no browser that can view websites properly. regardless which fonts/font-size/browser i use - i always get bad-looking fonts - not so smooth like ms-ie shows. Well my fonts look terrific, on my desktop and in all my browsers, Konqeuror, Opera, and Galeon, and I wonder why yours does not. One thing might be worth checking. If you open kde Control CenterLookNFeelFonts Open up the drop down list of fonts. If you do not see adobe-helvetica, and mdk-helvetica in that list, then you may be suffering from a KDE 'bug' I had myself recently. The symptoms would be really ugly fonts, and the font appearance would improve if I disabled alti-aliasing in kde. The fix is simply to delete the file ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals Next time I logged in the file got created again, and my fonts became beautiful with every font appearing in the list. has anybody of u been able to get mandrake-update working - or to get a browser that shows smooth good looking fonts ? Yes and yes dont misunderstand me - i like linux - and i am using a linux server that handles mail-dns-samba-antivir-ftp-telnet and so on. but this is console - and it works well... but what does not work - in my eyes - is the X-part of linuxso - are u experiencing the same problems i do - or is it just my lack of ability to get things working smooth under X ? Could it be a video card deficiency? My fonts look great in all 3 of my computers, one with Geforce256, one with Geforce2MX, and the 3rd a crummy old laptop with heaven knows what graphics chip. HTH derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 and mandrake-update
At 21:47 20.12.2001 +, you wrote: hi derek, 1) why the hell is the window which lists all the updates so SMALL ? on my screen the list of all the updates is about 2cm in height - with scrolling arrows next to it. its not possible to resize the list - to see more packages at one time, so there are only about 5-8 visible at a time. this is really annoying. True the default window size is small, but if you grab that little grey box at the bottom right of the window you can drag it out and resize it. i can drag the overall window ? - but not the small list of packages ? hmmi will give this a try 2) i choose the packages that i want upgraded - and it begins to search for the packages - after a while it replies an error occured while fetching package x Yes that seems to happen. Some mirrors seem to be considerably worse than others. sourceforge for example has always given me trouble in that respect. Since I switched to sunite.se, I have had no trouble. yes i thought of that too and tried mirrors in austria, germany, france and the sunsite mirror u spoke of. the only package which i was able to download was the mozilla upgrade - nothing else worked. despite of this mandrake-update isnt able to fetch the file - this SUCKS ! 3) sometimes i am not able to start mandrake-update at all - it loads partially - leaving me with a grey main-window I find just getting a few files at a time has more chance of success than a mega upgrade. u r right - but i didnt do a mega-upgrade. for example i tried to upgrade samba-client and server - and mandrake-update came up with a bunch of about 8 packages which the samba packages were depending on. i also tried to select just single packages - which didnt work tooi think the mandrake-update app is simply not ready for use... another thing i hate about the desktop-linux is that there is no browser that can view websites properly. regardless which fonts/font-size/browser i use - i always get bad-looking fonts - not so smooth like ms-ie shows. Well my fonts look terrific, on my desktop and in all my browsers, Konqeuror, Opera, and Galeon, and I wonder why yours does not. One thing might be worth checking. If you open kde Control CenterLookNFeelFonts Open up the drop down list of fonts. If you do not see adobe-helvetica, and mdk-helvetica in that list, then you may be suffering from a KDE 'bug' I had myself recently. The symptoms would be really ugly fonts, and the font appearance would improve if I disabled alti-aliasing in kde. hmmi do have the adobe-helvetica and some other fonts - and i selected them in my browser but still some of my fonts are so sharp edged if u know what i mean... (i remember this KDE-Bug, i had to install a fonts package when i was dealing with this problem in version 7.1 i think) but i could try to disable anti-aliasing - didnt find this option yet - where is it ? The fix is simply to delete the file ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals Next time I logged in the file got created again, and my fonts became beautiful with every font appearing in the list. has anybody of u been able to get mandrake-update working - or to get a browser that shows smooth good looking fonts ? Yes and yes dont misunderstand me - i like linux - and i am using a linux server that handles mail-dns-samba-antivir-ftp-telnet and so on. but this is console - and it works well... but what does not work - in my eyes - is the X-part of linuxso - are u experiencing the same problems i do - or is it just my lack of ability to get things working smooth under X ? Could it be a video card deficiency? My fonts look great in all 3 of my computers, one with Geforce256, one with Geforce2MX, and the 3rd a crummy old laptop with heaven knows what graphics chip. hmm-.i use a geforce2 pro - and it was recognized by the mandrake-installer with no probs... HTH derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 and cdrom
SCSI support is require to be able to write to the drive which is why it is installed. -JMS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bob Kauffman Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 and cdrom I installed Mandrake 8.1 on my Dell Dimension (PIII) and everything went very welluntil I tried to access my cdrom drive. This machine has a CD RW drive supplied by Dell, and a DVD rom installed later by myself. In checking with HardDrak, I find three cdroms listed: ATAPI 12X DVDROMdev/hdd ATAPI/IDE LG CD-RW CED-8080B dev/hdc ATAPI/IDE LG CD-RW CED-8080B dev/scd0 SCSI This machine doesn't have SCSI support, to the best of my knowledge. Why is Mandrake seeing two RW drives and why is it seeing a SCSI device? I can't rouse the CD RW drive at all it won't light up and I can't eject the tray. Any ideas? -- Bob Kauffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 573-874-6783 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 and cdrom
Bob, I'm a newbie so I'll leave the experts to tell you how to 'fix' your problem. I do know, however, that creating two CD drives, one a SCSI drive, is standard LM treatment. As I understand it, LM needs to define a second drive (SCSI) to provide for write access. I've had problems with automatic ejecting... a manual 'eject cdrom' or 'umount dev/hdc' should work. Terry Smith Hatchville, MA On Sun, 2001-12-09 at 13:05, Bob Kauffman wrote: I installed Mandrake 8.1 on my Dell Dimension (PIII) and everything went very welluntil I tried to access my cdrom drive. This machine has a CD RW drive supplied by Dell, and a DVD rom installed later by myself. In checking with HardDrak, I find three cdroms listed: ATAPI 12X DVDROMdev/hdd ATAPI/IDE LG CD-RW CED-8080B dev/hdc ATAPI/IDE LG CD-RW CED-8080B dev/scd0 SCSI This machine doesn't have SCSI support, to the best of my knowledge. Why is Mandrake seeing two RW drives and why is it seeing a SCSI device? I can't rouse the CD RW drive at all it won't light up and I can't eject the tray. Any ideas? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 and cdrom
On Sunday 09 December 2001 12:05 pm, you wrote: This machine doesn't have SCSI support, to the best of my knowledge. Why is Mandrake seeing two RW drives and why is it seeing a SCSI device? This is a very common question, easily found in the archives. The linux burning program, cdrecord, relies on a SCSI cd burner. SCSI emulation is provided for IDE burners so that they can work with cdrecord. Matt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 and webcam
Well i recently bought a Quickcam 3000 PRO from logitech without knowing there support behaviour =/ it is supported starting at kernel 2.4.13 . Since it has Phillips ingredients. Phillips webcams are supported (allmost all AFAIK ) they use the kernel module pwc (so does my logitech ) but dont buy the logitech its a good cam but you will have to wait or hack better support for it . Example: i get the camera working fine with a small picture (nokia-display-size on a 1280x1024 screen res) that is because you need to uncompress the signal to get the resolution higher (it SHOULD support 480x600) but to uncompress you need to compile your own kernel with the module pwcx wich you get at http://www.smcc.demon.nl/webcam/ (a recommendable site ) Recommendable is to use a analog camera and a tv grabbercard (bttv) but ofcourse those are more expensive. Cheers Florian On Monday 03 Dec 2001 10:55 pm, you wrote: Hi All, I'm looking at buying a Webcam for my own use under Mandrake 8.1. What is a good brand that will work reliably. Craig -- - POWERED BY LINUX - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd
Steve, Audio CD do not have a file system (so I am told). You must _not_ a CDROM prior to using the CD player. Make sure you have done the umount from the CD and then launch the CD player. Try using Xmms. Here you can indicate the mount point (ex: /dev/cdrom) explicitly. The player should then automatically list the tracks and voilá, musique ! HTH. Hugo - Original Message - From: Steve Weltman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ethan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Hugo Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd I have the same problem with a twist...I can mount and umount a DATA specific CD at will but I can't mount a music CD no matter which method I use. I am trying to play a CD with the media player or the command line, same damn error message... -- [root@sweltman33 /]# mount /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom /dev/scd0: Input/output error mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only /dev/scd0: Input/output error mount: you must specify the filesystem type - The system will play other forms of media (MP3s from a Fat32 partition for example) but just won't recognize a music (Audio) CDROM for the life of me. The device is a Yamaha CD Burner 2200E (IDE) and it's fine because it will read music data on Windowz system loads. I used it to make my Mdk8.1 CDs so I can estimate that it's not broken/damaged. Any suggestions? TIA!! Steve Weltman Friday 23 November 2001 01:25 am, Ethan wrote: I changed my settings back to low and still got the same problem I have only one CD rom drive that can also play DVD.. pls help. thank you. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problem is if you look at his output, both /dev/cdrom0 and /dev/cdrom2 are sym links to the same device. Something was setup wrong during install. By any chance did you pick a security setting other than low during install? I noticed that anything above low (medium, high) supposedly restricts the devices to specific groups (which in MHO doesn't work too well). Most of my problems (sound related) went away when I changed security back to low. -mm On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Hugo Ferreira wrote: Ethan, Seems like yours is not a simple case. This surpasses my knowledge. It seems you have two links to two mount point of type /dev/cdromx. where x is a number. Do you have more than one CD-R/DVD/CD-RW Drive? If so, the player must know which one to use. Hugo. - Original Message - From: Ethan To: Hugo Ferreira Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd Here's the output: [root@Echelon dev]# dmesg | grep cdrom devfs: link of cdrom devfs: link of cdrom [root@Echelon dev]# dmesg | grep CDROM [root@Echelon dev]# dmesg | grep cdrom devfs: link of cdrom devfs: link of cdrom [root@Echelon dev]# ls -la /dev/cdrom? lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 13 Nov 17 2001 /dev/cdrom0 - cdroms/cdrom0 lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 13 Nov 17 2001 /dev/cdrom2 - cdroms/cdrom2 /dev/cdroms: total 0 drwxr-xr-x1 root root0 Nov 14 21:00 ./ drwxr-xr-x1 root root0 Jan 1 1970 ../ lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 33 Nov 17 2001 cdrom0 - ../ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/cd lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 33 Jan 1 1970 cdrom2 - ../ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/cd appreciate your help. Hugo Ferreira wrote: Ethan, What is the result of a: demsg | grep cdrom and a ls -la /dev/cdrom? Don't forget the question mark. Hugo. - Original Message - From: Ethan To:Hugo Ferreira Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd Hugo Ferreira wrote: Ethan, I have had the exact same problem and have finally solved it. Anyone please feel free to correct or suggest a better way of doing this. Try the following: 1. log in as root (in a KDE (or any other) X session, I'll assume KDE for KMixer). 2. unmount the cdrom (just in case, and do as Sridhar indicated): umount /mnt/cdrom Do it twice to make sure it is not mounted. Make sure ypu have no CD in the drive. done. 3. Do a ls -la /dev/hdc to make sure it's there 4. If it is, you must now set a sym link from /dev/cdrom (which your player needs) to the /dev/hdc which is the device that you know works because the /mnt/cdrom is also the mountpoint of the /dev/hdc device and that worked for you. We will do the same for /dev/cdrom ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom [root@Echelon dev]# ln -s /dev/hdc
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd
Did you see the mail I sent you yesterday? Essentially I have configured my own Cdwriter to play audio discs. You have to make a symlink berween /dev/cdrom and /dev/scd0 That is if devfs is disabled. If devfs is enabled then you will not have a /dev/scd0. Instead you will have a /dev/scsi directory and at the end of the chain of directories will be a device. You have to symlink between there and /dev/cdrom (I cannot tell you the exact name because I have devfs disabled and I do not remember what it is called) The reason I have devfs disabled is because my cd writer will not record with it enabled. You can test if you also have a problem by typing as root cdrecord -scanbus If it finds your CD writer you are ok. If not you need to disable devfs by editing /etc/lilo.conf and changing devfs=mount to devfs=nomount then run lilo with /sbin/lilo and reboot. Then look at the changes in the /dev directory/ Derek On Sunday 25 November 2001 05:00, Steve Weltman wrote: Hi Again Derrek, I accidently clipped the error message that kscd gave me... Error Message CDROM read or access error (or no audio disc in the drive). Please make sure you have access permissions to /dev/cdrom. I KNOW that I have permissions to the device (/dev/scd0) but there is NO device hdb so I don't have any way to add permissions to it or create another device (I haven't done this yet). I tried adding the line you suggested below and it said that it links to nowhere (probably because the /dev/ directory doesn't create any hdb link in it or a reference to a device called hdb...I need to make this somehow). CDROM is pointed as such... cdrom - ../cdroms/cdrom0 Thanks again...I am adding another CDROM reader (new 58x one was cheap so I splurged). I'll let you know what it says in hard drake... Steve Weltman On Saturday 24 November 2001 03:45 am, Derek Jennings wrote: On Saturday 24 November 2001 10:55, you wrote: Greetings again Derek, Okay...first the obvious. The cable to the sound card is correct. It works in Windoz. The drive that is connected is not a SCSI device, but is claimed to be so by Linux because it is a CDRW (that's my guess as why), It is a SCSI device because the cdwriting backend used by all the cd burner applications only works with SCSI devices. Rather than rewrite it for IDE (the author says there are good technical reasons why this should not be done), the system instead has to emulate SCSI on an IDE device, hence it comes up as SCSI in fstab but it is the master on the cable (by jumper on the device). Kscd does fail every time (even as root) saying that there is saying that there is what? Okay, now for the not-so-obvious stuff...I just ran Hard Drake and it is ALSO known as hdb (Well,well now...)... So that's the ide interface side of the drive. Now the hard part, it being known as hdb does me very little good if the drive is reachable by scd0 already (for data that is), Don't touch scd0 or fstab. All the configuration is done as links in the /dev directory. because I don't know where to put hdb into the system as a drive that can be used. It isn't already present in /etc/ as hdb, so I need to know how to add this and then I can make a sym link to it (and create a way for the apps to access it). Well thats the next point I made. If the drive is physically /dev/hdb then there needs to be that symlink from /dev/cdrom to /dev/hdb ln -s /dev/hdb /dev/cdrom Does the link /dev/cdrom already exist? and if so where is it pointing? Derek Ideas? Thanks on the tip...I wouldn't have looked for an IDE interface as a source of trouble. Steve Weltman On Saturday 24 November 2001 01:31 am, Derek Jennings wrote: Steve Most of us have no trouble playing music CD's, so we must try to identify what is different about your installation to the rest of us. First of all be assured that music CD's DO NOT have to be mounted at all. They do not contain a 'file system' as such. So any attempt to mount them is futile. Nor do the contents of fstab matter. Fstab is about mounting, and audio CD's are not mounted. Second, it may seem a stupid thing to ask, but is there an audio cable from your CD drive to your sound card? It is possible for audio CD's to work in windows without that audio cable because from Windows ME onwards windows uses the digital interface to play audio CD's. The kscd player in Linux however requires an Analogue cable to the sound card. I don't remember from previous posts, but does kscd actually fail with an error message, or does it look as if the CD is playing? If there is no error message, then kscd thinks it has found the drive, and an audio cable/mixer problem is likely. If there is an error message then see the next paragraph. Third where is the symlink /dev/cdrom pointing?
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd
Steve I have looked deeper at the issue of audio cd's on cdwriters, and have tried it out myself with devfs enabled just like you have. I found that with devfs enabled it will automatically set up /dev/cdrom to point to the /dev/cdroms directory. If you delete it, it comes back again a second later. The second thing I tried was configuring kscd to look directly at /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd which is what devfs names the SCSI interface on your cdwriter. But that causes kscd to crash. So the only conclusion I have is to say that if you want to play audio CD's on your cdwriter you will have to disable devfs. This is not such a bad thing, since in my experience Cdwriters cannot record with devfs enabled. (well my one cannot) (You can test that with 'cdrecord -scanbus' entered in a root terminal.) To disable devfs edit as root /etc/lilo.conf where it says devfs=mount change this to devfs=nomount Then rerun lilo with the command as root '/sbin/lilo' (check there were no error messages before trying to reboot) reboot your computer Now in your devfs directory you should have a device /dev/scd0 Make a link to here from /dev/cdrom ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom Your audio discs should now work.let me know if it works.. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd
On Saturday 24 November 2001 14:01, Ed Tharp wrote: actully I seem to remember something about a scsi-ide drivre (as needed to burn cd) can not play music, something about the scsi emulation... I could prolly remember if I had not tried to adjust he acid level in my battery-brain back durring 'Nam grin but I bet if you search the mail list archives you could find some info about that, maybe from Civilme. I don't think so Ed. I just tried it out with my cdwriter and I can play audio CD's OK (When I say I can play them. I did not go so far as to open the case and move the audio cable, but I can eject them, and when I press the play button it looks as if it plays, and the CD light comes on) All I had to do was make my symlink between /dev/scd0 and /dev/cdrom (That's what I said to do yesterday, but not in my last mail) Now Steve your /dev directory probably looks different to mine because I am not using the devfs system which automatically sets up the /dev directory on boot. If you are using devfs you will not have a /dev/scd0 entry. Instead you will have (If I can remember correctly) /dev/scsi/device/lune/target blah blah blah You should make your symlink between /dev/cdrom and the device at the end of that scsi chain. The reason I am not using devfs is because my CDwriter will not work with devfs enabled. Have you tested your CD writer yet? To test it, as root type 'cdrecord -scanbus' If it discovers the SCSI address ok then you do not have to disable devfs If it comes back with an error message you need to disable devfs. To disable devfs edit the file /etc/lilo.conf where it says devfs=mount change that to nomount Then rerun lilo with the command as root /sbin/lilo (check there are no error messages, or else you will not be able to reboot) Reboot. Now the structure of your /dev directory will be different, and there will be a device called /dev/scd0 There will also be hundreds of other entries for non existent devices. Now check you can mount data CD's, test cdrecord, and try audio CD's Derek On Saturday 24 November 2001 04:31, you wrote: Steve Most of us have no trouble playing music CD's, so we must try to identify what is different about your installation to the rest of us. First of all be assured that music CD's DO NOT have to be mounted at all. They do not contain a 'file system' as such. So any attempt to mount them is futile. Nor do the contents of fstab matter. Fstab is about mounting, and audio CD's are not mounted. Second, it may seem a stupid thing to ask, but is there an audio cable from your CD drive to your sound card? It is possible for audio CD's to work in windows without that audio cable because from Windows ME onwards windows uses the digital interface to play audio CD's. The kscd player in Linux however requires an Analogue cable to the sound card. I don't remember from previous posts, but does kscd actually fail with an error message, or does it look as if the CD is playing? If there is no error message, then kscd thinks it has found the drive, and an audio cable/mixer problem is likely. If there is an error message then see the next paragraph. Third where is the symlink /dev/cdrom pointing? To find out just look at the /dev directory with konqueror at the extreme right is the 'Link' column. In my last mail I said to point this to /dev/scd0, but bearing in mind this is a SCSI interface it might be better to point it directly at the IDE port. So for a master device on the first IDE channel this should point to /dev/hda For a secondary device on the first IDE channel it should be /dev/hdb For a master device on the second IDE channel it should be /dev/hdc For a secondary device on the second IDE channel it should be /dev/hdd Finally, (clutching at straws) Are the jumpers on the back of the cd drive set correctly? The drive should be identified as a master or slave device. It should not be configured for cable select. (I only mention this because a journalist from The Rgister was unable to install Redhat when his drive was configured for cable select) HTH Derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd
I changed my settings back to low and still got the same problem I have only one CD rom drive that can also play DVD.. pls help. thank you. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pine.LNX.4.33L2.061235300.4339-10@havana"> Problem is if you look at his output, both /dev/cdrom0 and /dev/cdrom2 aresym links to the same device. Something was setup wrong during install.By any chance did you pick a security setting other than "low" duringinstall? I noticed that anything above low (medium, high) supposedlyrestricts the devices to specific groups (which in MHO doesn't work toowell). Most of my problems (sound related) went away when I changedsecurity back to low.-mmOn Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Hugo Ferreira wrote: Ethan,Seems like yours is not a simple case. This surpasses my knowledge.It seems you have two links to two mount point of type /dev/cdromx. where x isa number. Do you have more than one CD-R/DVD/CD-RW Drive? If so, the playermust know which one to use.Hugo. - Original Message - From: Ethan To: Hugo Ferreira Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd Here's the output: [root@Echelon dev]# dmesg | grep cdrom devfs: link of "cdrom" devfs: link of "cdrom" [root@Echelon dev]# dmesg | grep CDROM [root@Echelon dev]# dmesg | grep cdrom devfs: link of "cdrom" devfs: link of "cdrom" [root@Echelon dev]# ls -la /dev/cdrom? lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 13 Nov 17 2001 /dev/cdrom0 - cdroms/cdrom0 lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 13 Nov 17 2001 /dev/cdrom2 - cdroms/cdrom2 /dev/cdroms: total 0 drwxr-xr-x1 root root0 Nov 14 21:00 ./ drwxr-xr-x1 root root0 Jan 1 1970 ../ lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 33 Nov 17 2001 cdrom0 - ../ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/cd lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 33 Jan 1 1970 cdrom2 - ../ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/cd appreciate your help. Hugo Ferreira wrote:Ethan,What is the result of a:demsg | grep cdromand als -la /dev/cdrom?Don't forget the question mark.Hugo. - Original Message - From: Ethan To:Hugo Ferreira Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 16, 20 01 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd Hugo Ferreira wrote:Ethan,I have had the exact same problem and have finally solved it.Anyone please feel free to correct or suggest a better way of doing this.Try the following:1. log in as root (in a KDE (or any other) X session, I'll assume KDE for KMixer).2. unmount the cdrom (just in case, and do as Sridhar indicated):umount /mnt/cdromDo it twice to make sure it is not mounted. Make sure ypu have noCD in the drive. done.3. Do a "ls -la /dev/hdc" to make sure it's there4. If it is, you must now set a sym link from /dev/cdrom (which your player needs) tothe "/dev/hdc" which is the device that you know works because the /mnt/cdrom is also themountpoint of the /dev/hdc device and that work ed for you. We will do the same for "/dev/cdrom"ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom [root@Echelon dev]# ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom ln: `/dev/cdrom': File exists5. Now make a "ls -la /dev/cdrom" to check the link. You should see that the permissions willenable anyone to use this mount point.6. Place a CD and fire up your CD player. You should now have music. Still get permissions error. BTW, what does blinking white text over red background mean ?? i get:cdrom@ [root@Echelon dev]# ls -l cdrom lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 16 Nov 17 2001 [cdrom - ../cdroms/cdrom0 ] blinking white over red background7. If you don't, fire up your KMixer and make sure the volume is up. Do the same foryour speakers. If this does not work, you are out of luck. See below for more hints**8. As suming you got this far and all is ok, then change the access for the CDROM.Do a "chmod 666 /dev/hdc".The "ls -la /dev/hdc" should confirm the changes.9. log out of root10. Login as a user11. Fire up your CDPlayer (and KMixer) and enjoy.**Ok. If you did not make it, you have to make sure your sound card is ok (only works ifyou have the sound card connected directlly to your CD Drive). Place a CD in the drive,press the drive's play button. Launch the KMixer. Twiddle with the KMixer's volume andspeaker's volume to check for sound. Works, ok no major hardware problem.Next. Test the cards driver. Here someone may help me. How can we do this. I have anISA sound card ad used RedHat's sndconfig. After probing and set-up, this utility samples
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd
well, when I type mount, I get: /dev/hda1 on / type ext2 (rw,noatime) none on /proc type proc (rw) devfs on /dev type devfs (rw) none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=0620) none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) /dev/hda6 on /home type ext2 (rw,noatime) /proc/bus/usb on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw,devmode=0664,devgid=43) So I don't see the cdrom mounted. Am I missing something here ? thanks. /ethan Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"> My mistake...As root, type # umount MOUNTPOINTWhere MOUNTPOINT is where your CD-ROM drive is mounted. Usually this is/mnt/cdrom.On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:49:16 +0800Ethan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my cdrom is not mounted and umount gives:- umount: /dev/cdrom: not foundI still cannot figure out why I cannot play the music CD. normal CDs I am able to see and work with pls help. thanks, /ethanSridhar Dhanapalan wrote: Assuming that your CD-ROM drive is /dev/cdrom: # umount /dev/cdromThis should be done as root. Once done, try playing your CD.On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:24:23 -"Hugo Ferreira" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sridha,How do you do this?H.F.- Original Message -From: "Sridhar Dhanapalan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Ethan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Mandrake Newbie List"[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:53 PMSubject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:45:42 +0800Ethan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote: -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]On Behalf Of EthanSent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:10 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cdHi all,I am trying to play Music CDs under Mandrake 8.1 but the error from the CD player says: CDROM read or access error, make sure that you haveaccess to /dev/cdrom the permissions are root:root but ls -lL doesnot give any output... pls help how can I play CDs on the CDrom? BTW, I can mount a normal CDROMthanks,.ethanEthan, are you using something like CDplayer or Alsaplayer? You cannot mount a audio CD, it is just put in the CDROM and then started from the CDplayer. Not being well versed in command line I use the players I installed on the KDE desktop so am not shure how you use anaudio player from command line. But if you use KDE click on thekpanelmultimediasound and pick alsaplayer and then click on thefolder icon on the left of the gui and your CD should start. HTH I am using CD player from the KDEmultimedia option. Not using from thecommand line. It does _not_ work like I said, it gives the errorabove. pls help. thanks, /ethan Make sure that the CD-ROM drive is not mounted, as has been mentioned above. Supermount shouldn't give any trouble, but sometimes it helps to disable it.
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd
Hugo Ferreira wrote:
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Ethan,
I have had the exact same problem and
have finally solved it.
Anyone please feel free to correct or
suggest a better way of doing this.
Try the following:
1. log in as root (in a KDE (or any other)
X session, I'll assume KDE for KMixer).
2. unmount the cdrom (just in case, and
do as Sridhar indicated):
umount /mnt/cdrom
Do it twice to make sure it is not
mounted. Make sure ypu have no
CD in the drive.
done.
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3. Do a "ls -la /dev/hdc" to make sure
it's there
4. If it is, you must now set a sym
link from /dev/cdrom (which your player needs) to
the "/dev/hdc" which is the device that
you know works because the /mnt/cdrom is also the
mountpoint of the /dev/hdc
device and that worked for you.We will do the same for "/dev/cdrom"
ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom
[root@Echelon dev]# ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom
ln: `/dev/cdrom': File exists
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5. Now make a "ls -la /dev/cdrom"
to check the link. You should see that the permissions will
enable anyone to use this mount point.
6. Place a CD and fire up your CD
player. You should now have music.
Still get permissions error.
BTW, what does blinking white text over red background mean ??
i get:cdrom@
[root@Echelon dev]# ls -l cdrom
lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 16 Nov 17 2001 [cdrom - ../cdroms/cdrom0
] blinking white over red background
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7. If you don't, fire up your KMixer
and make sure the volume is up. Do the same for
your speakers. If this does not
work, you are out of luck. See below for more hints**
8. Assuming you got this far and
all is ok, then change the access for the CDROM.
Do a "chmod 666 /dev/hdc".The
"ls -la /dev/hdc"
should confirm the changes.
9. log out of root
10. Login as a user
11. Fire up your CDPlayer (and KMixer)
and enjoy.
**
Ok. If you did not make it, you
have to make sure your sound card is ok (only works if
you have the sound card connected
directlly to your CD Drive). Place a
CD in the drive,
press the drive's play button. Launch
the KMixer. Twiddle with the KMixer's volume and
speaker's volume to check for sound.
Works, ok no major hardware problem.
Next. Test the cards driver. Here
someone may help me. How can we do this. I have an
ISA sound card ad used RedHat's
sndconfig. After probing and set-up, this utility samples
two files. You should here the sound.
Any other way to do this?
I got my CDPlayer working thanx
to DaveF who is a Mandrake expert
(see
http://www.mandrakeexpert.com
).
If all else fails, try creating
an incident here.
HTH,
Hugo.
- Original Message -
From:
Ethan
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:Hugo
Ferreira
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 2:49AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Musiccd
my cdrom isnot mounted and umount gives:- umount: /dev/cdrom: not found
I stillcannot figure out why I cannot play the music CD. normal CDs I
am able to seeand work with pls help. thanks, /ethan
Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
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Assuming that your CD-ROM drive is /dev/cdrom: # umount /dev/cdromThis should be done as root. Once done, try playing your CD.On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:24:23 -"Hugo Ferreira" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sridha,How do you do this?H.F.- Original Message -From: "Sridhar Dhanapalan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Ethan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Mandrake Newbie List"[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:53 PMSubject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd
On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:45:42 +0800Ethan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote:
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]On Behalf Of EthanSent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:10 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cdHi all,I am trying to play Music CDs under Mandrake 8.1 but the error from
the
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd
Ethan,
What is the result of a:
demsg | grep cdrom
and a
ls -la /dev/cdrom?
Don't forget the question mark.
Hugo.
- Original Message -
From:
Ethan
To: Hugo Ferreira
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:14
AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music
cd
Hugo Ferreira wrote:
017a01c16e7f$3789bc40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]" type="cite">
Ethan,
I have had the exact same problem and have
finally solved it.
Anyone please feel free to correct or suggest a
better way of doing this.
Try the following:
1. log in as root (in a KDE (or any other) X
session, I'll assume KDE for KMixer).
2. unmount the cdrom (just in case, and do as
Sridhar indicated):
umount
/mnt/cdrom
Do it twice to make sure it
is not mounted. Make sure ypu have no
CD in the
drive.done.
017a01c16e7f$3789bc40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]" type="cite">
3. Do a "ls -la /dev/hdc" to make sure it's
there
4. If it is, you must now set a sym link from
/dev/cdrom (which your player needs) to
the "/dev/hdc" which is the device that you
know works because the /mnt/cdrom is also the
mountpoint of the /dev/hdc device and that worked for you.We will do the same
for "/dev/cdrom"
ln -s /dev/hdc
/dev/cdrom[root@Echelon dev]# ln -s /dev/hdc
/dev/cdromln: `/dev/cdrom': File exists
017a01c16e7f$3789bc40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]" type="cite">
5. Now make a "ls -la /dev/cdrom" to check the
link. You should see that the permissions will
enable anyone to use this mount
point.
6. Place a CD and fire up your CD player. You
should now have music.Still get permissions
error.BTW, what does blinking white text over red background mean
??i get:cdrom@[root@Echelon dev]# ls -l
cdromlr-xr-xr-x 1 root
root 16 Nov
17 2001 [cdrom - ../cdroms/cdrom0 ] blinking white over red
background
017a01c16e7f$3789bc40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]" type="cite">
7. If you don't, fire up your KMixer and make
sure the volume is up. Do the same for
your speakers. If this does not work, you are
out of luck. See below for more hints**
8. Assuming you got this far and all is ok,
then change the access for the CDROM.
Do a "chmod 666
/dev/hdc".The "ls -la
/dev/hdc" should confirm the changes.
9. log out of root
10. Login as a user
11. Fire up your CDPlayer (and KMixer) and
enjoy.
**
Ok. If you did not make it, you have to make
sure your sound card is ok (only works if
you have the sound card connected directlly to
your CD Drive). Place a CD in the drive,
press the drive's play button. Launch the
KMixer. Twiddle with the KMixer's volume and
speaker's volume to check for sound. Works, ok
no major hardware problem.
Next. Test the cards driver. Here someone may
help me. How can we do this. I have an
ISA sound card ad used RedHat's sndconfig.
After probing and set-up, this utility samples
two files. You should here the sound. Any other
way to do this?
I got my CDPlayer working thanx to DaveF who is
a Mandrake expert
(see http://www.mandrakeexpert.com ).
If all else fails, try creating an incident here.
HTH,
Hugo.
- Original Message -
From: Ethan
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:Hugo Ferreira
Sent:
Friday, November 16, 2001 2:49 AM
Subject:
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd
my cdrom is not mounted and umount gives:- umount:
/dev/cdrom: not foundI still cannot figure out why I cannot play
the music CD. normal CDs I am able to see and work with pls help.
thanks, /ethanSridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
type="cite">Assuming that your CD-ROM drive is /dev/cdrom: # umount /dev/cdromThis should be done as root. Once done, try playing your CD.On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:24:23 -"Hugo Ferreira" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sridha,How do you do this?H.F.- Original Message -From: "Sridhar Dhanapalan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Ethan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Mandrake Newbie List"[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:53 PMSubject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd
On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:45:42 +0800Ethan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote:
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]On Behalf Of EthanSent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:10 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cdHi all,I am t
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd
Here's the output: [root@Echelon dev]# dmesg | grep cdrom devfs: link of "cdrom" devfs: link of "cdrom" [root@Echelon dev]# dmesg | grep CDROM [root@Echelon dev]# dmesg | grep cdrom devfs: link of "cdrom" devfs: link of "cdrom" [root@Echelon dev]# ls -la /dev/cdrom? lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 13 Nov 17 2001 /dev/cdrom0 - cdroms/cdrom0 lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 13 Nov 17 2001 /dev/cdrom2 - cdroms/cdrom2 /dev/cdroms: total 0 drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Nov 14 21:00 ./ drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Jan 1 1970 ../ lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 33 Nov 17 2001 cdrom0 - ../ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/cd lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 33 Jan 1 1970 cdrom2 - ../ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/cd appreciate your help. Hugo Ferreira wrote: 028f01c16e8d$9106f180$[EMAIL PROTECTED]"> Ethan, What is the result of a: demsg | grep cdrom and a ls -la /dev/cdrom? Don't forget the question mark. Hugo. - Original Message - From: Ethan To:Hugo Ferreira Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:14AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Musiccd Hugo Ferreira wrote: 017a01c16e7f$3789bc40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]" type="cite"> Ethan, I have had the exact same problem and have finally solved it. Anyone please feel free to correct or suggest a better way of doing this. Try the following: 1. log in as root (in a KDE (or any other) X session, I'll assume KDE for KMixer). 2. unmount the cdrom (just in case, and do as Sridhar indicated): umount /mnt/cdrom Do it twice to make sure it is not mounted. Make sure ypu have no CD in thedrive. done. 017a01c16e7f$3789bc40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]" type="cite"> 3. Do a "ls -la /dev/hdc" to make sure it's there 4. If it is, you must now set a sym link from /dev/cdrom (which your player needs) to the "/dev/hdc" which is the device that you know works because the /mnt/cdrom is also the mountpoint of the /dev/hdc device and that worked for you.We will do the same for "/dev/cdrom" ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom [root@Echelon dev]# ln -s /dev/hdc/dev/cdrom ln: `/dev/cdrom': File exists 017a01c16e7f$3789bc40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]" type="cite"> 5. Now make a "ls -la /dev/cdrom" to check the link. You should see that the permissions will enable anyone to use this mount point. 6. Place a CD and fire up your CD player. You should now have music. Still get permissionserror. BTW, what does blinking white text over red background mean?? i get:cdrom@ [root@Echelon dev]# ls -lcdrom lr-xr-xr-x 1 rootroot 16 Nov17 2001 [cdrom - ../cdroms/cdrom0 ] blinking white over redbackground 017a01c16e7f$3789bc40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]" type="cite"> 7. If you don't, fire up your KMixer and make sure the volume is up. Do the same for your speakers. If this does not work, you are out of luck. See below for more hints** 8. Assuming you got this far and all is ok, then change the access for the CDROM. Do a "chmod 666 /dev/hdc".The "ls -la /dev/hdc" should confirm the changes. 9. log out of root 10. Login as a user 11. Fire up your CDPlayer (and KMixer) and enjoy. ** Ok. If you did not make it, you have to make sure your sound card is ok (only works if you have the sound card connected directlly to your CD Drive). Place a CD in the drive, press the drive's play button. Launch the KMixer. Twiddle with the KMixer's volume and speaker's volume to check for sound. Works, ok no major hardware problem. Next. Test the cards driver. Here someone may help me. How can we do this. I have an ISA sound card ad used RedHat's sndconfig. After probing and set-up, this utility samples two files. You should here the sound. Any other way to do this? I got my CDPlayer working thanx to DaveF who is a Mandrake expert (see http://www.mandrakeexpert.com ). If all else fails, try creating an incident here. HTH, Hugo. - Original Message - From: Ethan
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd
Ethan, Seems like yours is not a simple case. This surpasses my knowledge. It seems you have two links to two mount point of type /dev/cdromx. where x is a number. Do you have more than one CD-R/DVD/CD-RW Drive? If so, the player must know which one to use. Hugo. - Original Message - From: Ethan To: Hugo Ferreira Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd Here's the output:[root@Echelon dev]# dmesg | grep cdromdevfs: link of "cdrom"devfs: link of "cdrom"[root@Echelon dev]# dmesg | grep CDROM[root@Echelon dev]# dmesg | grep cdromdevfs: link of "cdrom"devfs: link of "cdrom"[root@Echelon dev]# ls -la /dev/cdrom?lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 13 Nov 17 2001 /dev/cdrom0 - cdroms/cdrom0lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 13 Nov 17 2001 /dev/cdrom2 - cdroms/cdrom2/dev/cdroms:total 0drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Nov 14 21:00 ./drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Jan 1 1970 ../lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 33 Nov 17 2001 cdrom0 - ../ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/cdlr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 33 Jan 1 1970 cdrom2 - ../ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/cdappreciate your help.Hugo Ferreira wrote: 028f01c16e8d$9106f180$[EMAIL PROTECTED]" type="cite"> Ethan, What is the result of a: demsg | grep cdrom and a ls -la /dev/cdrom? Don't forget the question mark. Hugo. - Original Message - From: Ethan To:Hugo Ferreira Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd Hugo Ferreira wrote: 017a01c16e7f$3789bc40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]" type="cite"> Ethan, I have had the exact same problem and have finally solved it. Anyone please feel free to correct or suggest a better way of doing this. Try the following: 1. log in as root (in a KDE (or any other) X session, I'll assume KDE for KMixer). 2. unmount the cdrom (just in case, and do as Sridhar indicated): umount /mnt/cdrom Do it twice to make sure it is not mounted. Make sure ypu have no CD in the drive.done. 017a01c16e7f$3789bc40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]" type="cite"> 3. Do a "ls -la /dev/hdc" to make sure it's there 4. If it is, you must now set a sym link from /dev/cdrom (which your player needs) to the "/dev/hdc" which is the device that you know works because the /mnt/cdrom is also the mountpoint of the /dev/hdc device and that worked for you.We will do the same for "/dev/cdrom" ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom[root@Echelon dev]# ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdromln: `/dev/cdrom': File exists 017a01c16e7f$3789bc40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]" type="cite"> 5. Now make a "ls -la /dev/cdrom" to check the link. You should see that the permissions will enable anyone to use this mount point. 6. Place a CD and fire up your CD player. You should now have music.Still get permissions error.BTW, what does blinking white text over red background mean ??i get:cdrom@[root@Echelon dev]# ls -l cdromlr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 16 Nov 17 2001 [cdrom - ../cdroms/cdrom0 ] blinking white over red background 017a01c16e7f$3789bc40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]" type="cite"> 7. If you don't, fire up your KMixer and make sure the volume is up. Do the same for your speakers. If this does not work, you are out of luck. See below for more hints** 8. Assuming you got this far and all is ok, then change the access for the CDROM. Do a "chmod 666 /dev/hdc".The "ls -la /dev/hdc" should confirm the changes. 9. log out of root 10. Login as a user 11. Fire up your CDPlayer (and KMixer) and enjoy. ** Ok. If you did not make it, you have to make sure your sound card is ok (only works if you have the sound card connected directlly to your CD Drive). Place a CD in the drive, press the drive's play button. Launch the KMixer. Twiddle with the KMixer's volume and speaker's volume to check for sound. Works, ok no major hardware problem. Next. Test the cards driver. Here someone may help me. How can we do this. I
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd
Problem is if you look at his output, both /dev/cdrom0 and /dev/cdrom2 are sym links to the same device. Something was setup wrong during install. By any chance did you pick a security setting other than low during install? I noticed that anything above low (medium, high) supposedly restricts the devices to specific groups (which in MHO doesn't work too well). Most of my problems (sound related) went away when I changed security back to low. -mm On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Hugo Ferreira wrote: Ethan, Seems like yours is not a simple case. This surpasses my knowledge. It seems you have two links to two mount point of type /dev/cdromx. where x is a number. Do you have more than one CD-R/DVD/CD-RW Drive? If so, the player must know which one to use. Hugo. - Original Message - From: Ethan To: Hugo Ferreira Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd Here's the output: [root@Echelon dev]# dmesg | grep cdrom devfs: link of cdrom devfs: link of cdrom [root@Echelon dev]# dmesg | grep CDROM [root@Echelon dev]# dmesg | grep cdrom devfs: link of cdrom devfs: link of cdrom [root@Echelon dev]# ls -la /dev/cdrom? lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 13 Nov 17 2001 /dev/cdrom0 - cdroms/cdrom0 lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 13 Nov 17 2001 /dev/cdrom2 - cdroms/cdrom2 /dev/cdroms: total 0 drwxr-xr-x1 root root0 Nov 14 21:00 ./ drwxr-xr-x1 root root0 Jan 1 1970 ../ lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 33 Nov 17 2001 cdrom0 - ../ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/cd lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 33 Jan 1 1970 cdrom2 - ../ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/cd appreciate your help. Hugo Ferreira wrote: Ethan, What is the result of a: demsg | grep cdrom and a ls -la /dev/cdrom? Don't forget the question mark. Hugo. - Original Message - From: Ethan To:Hugo Ferreira Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd Hugo Ferreira wrote: Ethan, I have had the exact same problem and have finally solved it. Anyone please feel free to correct or suggest a better way of doing this. Try the following: 1. log in as root (in a KDE (or any other) X session, I'll assume KDE for KMixer). 2. unmount the cdrom (just in case, and do as Sridhar indicated): umount /mnt/cdrom Do it twice to make sure it is not mounted. Make sure ypu have no CD in the drive. done. 3. Do a ls -la /dev/hdc to make sure it's there 4. If it is, you must now set a sym link from /dev/cdrom (which your player needs) to the /dev/hdc which is the device that you know works because the /mnt/cdrom is also the mountpoint of the /dev/hdc device and that worked for you. We will do the same for /dev/cdrom ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom [root@Echelon dev]# ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom ln: `/dev/cdrom': File exists 5. Now make a ls -la /dev/cdrom to check the link. You should see that the permissions will enable anyone to use this mount point. 6. Place a CD and fire up your CD player. You should now have music. Still get permissions error. BTW, what does blinking white text over red background mean ?? i get:cdrom@ [root@Echelon dev]# ls -l cdrom lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 16 Nov 17 2001 [cdrom - ../cdroms/cdrom0 ] blinking white over red background 7. If you don't, fire up your KMixer and make sure the volume is up. Do the same for your speakers. If this does not work, you are out of luck. See below for more hints** 8. Assuming you got this far and all is ok, then change the access for the CDROM. Do a chmod 666 /dev/hdc.The ls -la /dev/hdc should confirm the changes. 9. log out of root 10. Login as a user 11. Fire up your CDPlayer (and KMixer) and enjoy. ** Ok. If you did not make it, you have to make sure your sound card is ok (only works if you have the sound card connected directlly to your CD Drive). Place a CD in the drive, press the drive's play button. Launch the KMixer. Twiddle with the KMixer's volume and speaker's volume to check for sound. Works, ok no major hardware problem. Next. Test the cards driver. Here someone may help me. How can we do this. I have an ISA sound card ad used RedHat's sndconfig. After probing and set-up, this utility samples two files. You should here the sound. Any other way to do this? I got my CDPlayer working thanx to DaveF who is a Mandrake expert
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd
Assuming that your CD-ROM drive is /dev/cdrom: # umount /dev/cdrom This should be done as root. Once done, try playing your CD. On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:24:23 - Hugo Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sridha, How do you do this? H.F. - Original Message - From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ethan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mandrake Newbie List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:45:42 +0800 Ethan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]On Behalf Of Ethan Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd Hi all, I am trying to play Music CDs under Mandrake 8.1 but the error from the CD player says: CDROM read or access error, make sure that you have access to /dev/cdrom the permissions are root:root but ls -lL does not give any output... pls help how can I play CDs on the CDrom? BTW, I can mount a normal CDROM thanks, .ethan Ethan, are you using something like CDplayer or Alsaplayer? You can not mount a audio CD, it is just put in the CDROM and then started from the CDplayer. Not being well versed in command line I use the players I installed on the KDE desktop so am not shure how you use an audio player from command line. But if you use KDE click on the kpanelmultimediasound and pick alsaplayer and then click on the folder icon on the left of the gui and your CD should start. HTH I am using CD player from the KDEmultimedia option. Not using from the command line. It does _not_ work like I said, it gives the error above. pls help. thanks, /ethan Make sure that the CD-ROM drive is not mounted, as has been mentioned above. Supermount shouldn't give any trouble, but sometimes it helps to disable it. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan Jennifer Lopez = JLo (pron: Jay-Low). Bill Gates = BGa (pron: Be-Gay). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd
my cdrom is not mounted and umount gives:- umount: /dev/cdrom: not found I still cannot figure out why I cannot play the music CD. normal CDs I am able to see and work with pls help. thanks, /ethan Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"> Assuming that your CD-ROM drive is /dev/cdrom: # umount /dev/cdromThis should be done as root. Once done, try playing your CD.On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:24:23 -"Hugo Ferreira" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sridha,How do you do this?H.F.- Original Message -From: "Sridhar Dhanapalan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Ethan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Mandrake Newbie List"[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:53 PMSubject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:45:42 +0800Ethan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote: -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]On Behalf Of EthanSent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:10 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cdHi all,I am trying to play Music CDs under Mandrake 8.1 but the error from the CD player says: CDROM read or access error, make sure that you haveaccess to /dev/cdrom the permissions are root:root but ls -lL doesnot give any output... pls help how can I play CDs on the CDrom? BTW, I can mount a normal CDROM thanks,.ethanEthan, are you using something like CDplayer or Alsaplayer? You cannot mount a audio CD, it is just put in the CDROM and then startedfrom the CDplayer. Not being well versed in command line I use theplayers I installed on the KDE desktop so am not shure how you use anaudio player from command line. But if you use KDE click on thekpanelmultimediasound and pick alsaplayer and then click on thefolder icon on the left of the gui and your CD should start. HTH I am using CD player from the KDEmultimedia option. Not using from thecommand line. It does _not_ work like I said, it gives the errorabove. pls help. thanks, /ethan Make sure that the CD-ROM drive is not mounted, as has been mentioned above. Supermount shouldn't give any trouble, but sometimes it helps to disable it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd
My mistake... As root, type # umount MOUNTPOINT Where MOUNTPOINT is where your CD-ROM drive is mounted. Usually this is /mnt/cdrom. On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:49:16 +0800 Ethan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my cdrom is not mounted and umount gives:- umount: /dev/cdrom: not found I still cannot figure out why I cannot play the music CD. normal CDs I am able to see and work with pls help. thanks, /ethan Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: Assuming that your CD-ROM drive is /dev/cdrom: # umount /dev/cdrom This should be done as root. Once done, try playing your CD. On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:24:23 - Hugo Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sridha, How do you do this? H.F. - Original Message - From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ethan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mandrake Newbie List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:45:42 +0800 Ethan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]On Behalf Of Ethan Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 Music cd Hi all, I am trying to play Music CDs under Mandrake 8.1 but the error from the CD player says: CDROM read or access error, make sure that you have access to /dev/cdrom the permissions are root:root but ls -lL does not give any output... pls help how can I play CDs on the CDrom? BTW, I can mount a normal CDROM thanks, .ethan Ethan, are you using something like CDplayer or Alsaplayer? You can not mount a audio CD, it is just put in the CDROM and then started from the CDplayer. Not being well versed in command line I use the players I installed on the KDE desktop so am not shure how you use an audio player from command line. But if you use KDE click on the kpanelmultimediasound and pick alsaplayer and then click on the folder icon on the left of the gui and your CD should start. HTH I am using CD player from the KDEmultimedia option. Not using from the command line. It does _not_ work like I said, it gives the error above. pls help. thanks, /ethan Make sure that the CD-ROM drive is not mounted, as has been mentioned above. Supermount shouldn't give any trouble, but sometimes it helps to disable it. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan One World, One Web, One Programme -- Microsoft Promotional Ad Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer -- Adolf Hitler Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MANDRAKE 8.1 INSTALL PROBLEMS
On Thursday 08 November 2001 08:07 pm, Stephen Liu wrote: AMD athlon 1.4 RAM, DDR 256MB Motherboard 2the Max 8KHA (this PC is now used as Windows Box having 20G ATA100 hard disc, running Win ME) Hoping that some guys on list could read my posting and shed me some comment. AMD Athlon? Configuration Info http://www.amd.com/us-en/ If that 2the Max 8KHA is the EPoX EP-8KHA it's on AMD recommended list for a 1.4g/266fsb. I'd suggest you also get a AMD appr'vd power supply and hs/fan. Use thermal grease, not a thermal pad. Pay more attention to power supply model numbers than brand names. EG, I have a 300w Powerman PS, but it's really made by Sparkle and is AMD appr'vd for my 1.4g. Case ventilation will be very, very important. Can Mandrake 8.1 work on AMD ? Or it only works on Intel ? Works better on AMD IMO ;) When you get it put together, run 'burnK7' ( http://users.ev1.net/~redelm/ ) for at least 30 min. Hopefully you can pass without errors, and keep the cpu temp under 55C. If you start to go over 55C, abort (Ctrl+c) burnK7, and improve your cooling. If you can run burnK7 with no errors and at 52C or less, I promise you'll have a bulletproof Linux (or even Winblows ;) system. Then you can overclock it (I run mine at 1.55g, 1.82 Vcore ; -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay, USA chmod +x /bin/Laden.al-Qaeda.Taliban Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] MANDRAKE 8.1 INSTALL PROBLEMS
Title: Message -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matt KoppelmanSent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [newbie] MANDRAKE 8.1 INSTALL PROBLEMS ok i am installing mandrake 8.1 iso on a clean, brand new machine. its an athlon 1.3 - i am having a few problems with it.. the machine has connectivity on my network, but keeps popping up this message at the prompt. "Probable Hardware Bug: clock timer configuration lost - probably a VIA686a motherboard. --- Yes, Linux has identified a real problem with your motherboard. The Clock Timer chip doesn't work properly on your motherboard (and on almost all motherboards equipped with Windbond clock chips, such as most VIA, and ALiMagik based boards). This results in erroneous interrupt driven clock timer pulses. This upsets timing events and time dependant functions. Linux (thankfully) tries to deal with this. Windows cannot (heh, heh). There is not much you can do about this other than turning off the logs for this... --- heres my second problem.. i have installe dlinux about 10 times on this thing.. every time i install, things that SHOULD be there are not.. like plain ol 'ftp' or 'drakxservices' - i cant find any of these on the computer. i KNOW i specified ftp to install from the beginning, and i also have done reccomended and expert installs. --- The installer is a bit confusing. When you say plain ol "ftp" are you referring to the client or the server software? If the latter, there is more than one FTP server package available in the distro. I.E Pro-FTP and WU-FTP, etc. Try rpm -qa | grep ftp to see what actually was installed. Note: the installer seems to miss about 50% of the available packages on the CDs. Go into the software manager to find the rest. I ended up copying all 3 CD's to the hard drive and point the manager to the directories to avoid the constant swapping of CD's needed to install a lot of the packages and dependancies. --- i have installed mandrake linux numerous times problem-free, but not 8.1 as of yet.. anyone have any ideas? or should i take the damn server back? :) --- 8.1 is pretty good and very stable, but does many things differently. This may add to your frustrations. -JMS
Re: [newbie] MANDRAKE 8.1 INSTALL PROBLEMS
don't know about the mobo, but if mandrake doesn't run on amd i have been running 7.2 then 8.0 and now 8.1 by the grace of a greater power. ;) runs far better on this amd 750 than win 2000 runs on my pent 750. On Thursday 08 November 2001 17:07, you spoke unto me thusly: Can Mandrake 8.1 work on AMD ? Or it only works on Intel ? -- Sometimes I just slip of into my own little word, but atleast they know me there. shane registered linux user #101606 @ http://counter.li.org/ http://www.mystic-light.net/personal/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org cause humans do it better! Link different. Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 on promise ATA100 controller
On October 5, 2001 01:26 pm, quaylar wrote: hiho ppl ! is someone out there having the same problem i have ?: installing mandrake 8.1 on the onboard promise ATA100 controller of motherboard ASUS A7V KT133). i have a 30 gig IBM hd on the primary promise controller jumpered as slave (i already tried master) and i´m getting L 01 01 01 01 etc. at starting of LILO... according to the lilo users guide this would occur when the bios doesnt recognize the drive or when theres a geometry mismatch. so i tried setting the disk=/bios=/sectors, cylinders, heads= options in my lilo.conf, but all to no avail is there any special linux driver for the promise controller ? any hints ? I have the same controller and I have had that problem. You've got two hard drives that have been marked down as the bootable drive and I'm not just about where LILO is installed. For example, I had a drive that had Windoze installed on it and when I installed LM I installed it and LILO to a different hard drive. Diskdrake assumes you know what you're doing and isn't going to go look for other hard drives being marked as bootable and this is what leads to the conflict you see. To fix it, boot into rescue mode and run fdisk on the hard drive you don't want to be booting from and turn off the bootable partition. Richie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 on promise ATA100 controller
At 13:51 05.10.2001 -0400, you wrote: On October 5, 2001 01:26 pm, quaylar wrote: hiho ppl ! is someone out there having the same problem i have ?: installing mandrake 8.1 on the onboard promise ATA100 controller of motherboard ASUS A7V KT133). i have a 30 gig IBM hd on the primary promise controller jumpered as slave (i already tried master) and i´m getting L 01 01 01 01 etc. at starting of LILO... according to the lilo users guide this would occur when the bios doesnt recognize the drive or when theres a geometry mismatch. so i tried setting the disk=/bios=/sectors, cylinders, heads= options in my lilo.conf, but all to no avail is there any special linux driver for the promise controller ? any hints ? I have the same controller and I have had that problem. You've got two hard drives that have been marked down as the bootable drive and I'm not just about where LILO is installed. For example, I had a drive that had Windoze installed on it and when I installed LM I installed it and LILO to a different hard drive. Diskdrake assumes you know what you're doing and isn't going to go look for other hard drives being marked as bootable and this is what leads to the conflict you see. To fix it, boot into rescue mode and run fdisk on the hard drive you don't want to be booting from and turn off the bootable partition. u sure that that will work if i turn off the bootable flag from my first hd (win2k running) then i wouldnt be able to boot it ??? since i boot my os´s with nt loader - i installed lilo in the root partition of the corresponding drive instead of the MBR. i think there has to be another solution - there were some postings on deja that said that there would be a special driver for linux to make it work with the promise controller - but up to now i wasnt able to find it --quay Richie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 on promise ATA100 controller
On October 5, 2001 03:26 pm, quaylar wrote: At 13:51 05.10.2001 -0400, you wrote: On October 5, 2001 01:26 pm, quaylar wrote: hiho ppl ! is someone out there having the same problem i have ?: installing mandrake 8.1 on the onboard promise ATA100 controller of motherboard ASUS A7V KT133). i have a 30 gig IBM hd on the primary promise controller jumpered as slave (i already tried master) and i´m getting L 01 01 01 01 etc. at starting of LILO... according to the lilo users guide this would occur when the bios doesnt recognize the drive or when theres a geometry mismatch. so i tried setting the disk=/bios=/sectors, cylinders, heads= options in my lilo.conf, but all to no avail is there any special linux driver for the promise controller ? any hints ? I have the same controller and I have had that problem. You've got two hard drives that have been marked down as the bootable drive and I'm not just about where LILO is installed. For example, I had a drive that had Windoze installed on it and when I installed LM I installed it and LILO to a different hard drive. Diskdrake assumes you know what you're doing and isn't going to go look for other hard drives being marked as bootable and this is what leads to the conflict you see. To fix it, boot into rescue mode and run fdisk on the hard drive you don't want to be booting from and turn off the bootable partition. u sure that that will work if i turn off the bootable flag from my first hd (win2k running) then i wouldnt be able to boot it ??? The bootable flag just lets the BIOS know which hard drive to give control to. It does not effect a partition's ability to boot an OS. since i boot my os´s with nt loader - i installed lilo in the root partition of the corresponding drive instead of the MBR. The Win2000 NT Loader is very tenacious-- it's not going to give up control just because you have LILO installed on another partition. i think there has to be another solution - there were some postings on deja that said that there would be a special driver for linux to make it work with the promise controller - but up to now i wasnt able to find it The driver was necessary for 2.2 kernels but the module for running the Promise ATA100 controller is included with 2.4 kernels (including LM8.x). --quay Richie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 on promise ATA100 controller
u sure that that will work if i turn off the bootable flag from my first hd (win2k running) then i wouldnt be able to boot it ??? The bootable flag just lets the BIOS know which hard drive to give control to. It does not effect a partition's ability to boot an OS. yes - and i want the bios to give control to the first hd on the via controller - because it holds the nt loader - which has an entry for linux (bootsect.lin on my c: drive) since i boot my os´s with nt loader - i installed lilo in the root partition of the corresponding drive instead of the MBR. The Win2000 NT Loader is very tenacious-- it's not going to give up control just because you have LILO installed on another partition. yes - i dont want it to give up control ;) it has an entry for linux anyways - so i should but it up fine. i think there has to be another solution - there were some postings on deja that said that there would be a special driver for linux to make it work with the promise controller - but up to now i wasnt able to find it The driver was necessary for 2.2 kernels but the module for running the Promise ATA100 controller is included with 2.4 kernels (including LM8.x). yes - i wondered about that - since linux was showing up something labeled promise controller at bootup. meanwhile i came across this on usenet : it seems that lilo doesnt know which drive to boot from because the bios doesnt recognize the drive - and thats right - bios cant recognize the drive because its hooked to the promise controller which has its own bios... so how can i solve this prob ? --quay PS : btw - every email of u is coming twice - any reason for this ? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 on promise ATA100 controller
theres one more thing i just remember : when first installing lilo - i got the messages : Warning : BIOS drive 0x83 may be inaccessible ! what confuses me about this is : 0x83 would be secondary slave - so it would be my LS120 floppy disk drive. it seems to me that lilo is trying to access the LS120 drive - when i boot up in linux and all the 01 are appearing on the screen the little green led on the LS120 is flashing in similar frequency the 01 are appearing. does this look familiar to anyone ?anyone who might shed some light on this one ? --quay Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 on promise ATA100 controller
The man is right... As with any issue regarding linux seeing windows or windows seeing linux... Linux is the better tool for the job, (in your case lilo) since lilo was designed to be able to see and recognise windows partitions. when Micro$oft makes a point of either ignoring or trying not to support linux. use lilo to choose between windows and linux. rgds Frank Hauptle Network Payment Solutions. === |To correct all M$ Windows(tm) problems, only one | |small command is necessary: | | | |format C:| | | |(then press y.) Bingo! Your windows(tm) computer is | |now secure, stable, and everybit as useful. :-) | | | |== |A Shop of Perth Business's for Perth Customers: | | http://www.gshop.com.au | | | |For Australian e-business companies that collect | |payment from anyone, anytime and anywhere. | | | | http://www.e-pay.net.au | | http://networkpaymentsolutions.com| === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of shane Sent: Saturday, 6 October 2001 5:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] mandrake 8.1 on promise ATA100 controller On Friday 05 October 2001 13:12, quaylar spoke unto the masses thusly: yes - and i want the bios to give control to the first hd on the via controller - because it holds the nt loader - which has an entry for linux (bootsect.lin on my c: drive) yes - i dont want it to give up control ;) it has an entry for linux anyways - so i should but it up fine. then why use lilo? am i missing something? -- We know what we are, but not what we may become -William Shakespeare shane http://www.mystic-light.net/personal/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org cause humans do it better! Link different. Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/81.php3 Looked here? It gives quite a lot of info about the noticable changes. Otherwise it just lookes better, and seems to run smoother (except that I can't get my floppy drive to work.. grrr). It includes the impossible_to_install Gnucash (latest), and others which would not install under 8.0. Greetings Ralph On Sun, 30 Sep 2001, Michael Spivak wrote: Can someone post some interesting things about 8.1 - some new apps new tricks, some screenshot ? *** Michael Spivak Topaz QA Team Leader Mercury Interactive Ext. - 2586 Cell. - 054-543234 Home - 09-8358599 *** -- ICQ: 25543458Homepage: http://www.axllent.linux-dude.net/ PGP Public Key:http://prozilla.delrom.ro/RalphSlooten.asc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1
I think overall it is a great improvment. I'm having some Kmail and password problems but that is just a small problem. I think the thing I like the most about it is the fact that it comes with htmldoc. I used this program for my .pdf creations up till the 8.0 version when I had problems getting the FLTK installed. Works like a charm now though. Thanks Mandrake and all those who worked on this version. Will be ordering my powerpack version very soon! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1
On Sunday 30 September 2001 18:40, Michael Spivak wrote: Can someone post some interesting things about 8.1 - some new apps new tricks, some screenshot ? *** Michael Spivak Topaz QA Team Leader Mercury Interactive Ext. - 2586 Cell. - 054-543234 Home - 09-8358599 *** Check out www.mandrakeforum.com for a short FAQ Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition: what's in it?
Michael D. Viron banged on their keyboard and produced the following arrangement of letters: - Is there such a thing as a Linux Mandrake 8.1 i586 edition? - - Anguo, - - By default, Mandrake's distributions are built for i586--the 'i586 edition' - would be extraneous. - - Michael I guess you meant to write: By default, Mandrake's distributions are built for i586; the 'i686 edition' would be extraneous. Since Bill helped me to acertain that my Duron CPU is a i686, and since I am running the default Mandrake 8.0 version for i586, (and since 8.1 would allow me to print chinese, which is not possible with 8.0), I guess I should be looking forward to upgrade to the Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition. But what's the difference? Does this mean that my current distro doesn't use the full capacity of my cpu? Would the system run faster/better with the i686 edition? thanks Anguo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition: what's in it?
On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:04, Anguo wrote: Michael D. Viron banged on their keyboard and produced the following arrangement of letters: - Is there such a thing as a Linux Mandrake 8.1 i586 edition? - - Anguo, - - By default, Mandrake's distributions are built for i586--the 'i586 edition' - would be extraneous. - - Michael I guess you meant to write: By default, Mandrake's distributions are built for i586; the 'i686 edition' would be extraneous. Since Bill helped me to acertain that my Duron CPU is a i686, and since I am running the default Mandrake 8.0 version for i586, (and since 8.1 would allow me to print chinese, which is not possible with 8.0), I guess I should be looking forward to upgrade to the Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition. But what's the difference? i386 = intel 80386 and compatible. i486 = intel 80486 and compatible. i586 = anything built on intel Pentium technology, including Pentium MMX. i686 = anything built on intel Pentium Pro technology, including Pentium II/III and Celeron. The Pentium 4 is an entirely new chip, and for the moment has no specific compilers. Since x86 chips are backwards-compatible, you can use i686 packages. AMD Athlons and Durons have their own architecture (and even their own compilation options in gcc), but are also compatible with i686. The AMD K6 series is Pentium-class, and so is 1586 compatible. Does this mean that my current distro doesn't use the full capacity of my cpu? Would the system run faster/better with the i686 edition? Usually the speed boost isn't large enough to make a real difference. That doesn't stop me from compiling all my packages for i686, though :-) thanks Anguo -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition: what's in it?
Sridhar Dhanapalan banged on their keyboard and produced the following arrangement of letters: - AMD Athlons and Durons have their own architecture (and even their own - compilation options in gcc), but are also compatible with i686. The AMD K6 - series is Pentium-class, and so is 1586 compatible. - Usually the speed boost isn't large enough to make a real difference. That - doesn't stop me from compiling all my packages for i686, though :-) Thanks Sridhar! :-) Anguo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition (poll)
On Sunday 26 August 2001 07:16 pm, Anguo escribió: Would you be interested in a Linux Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition? http://pclinuxonline.com/pollBooth.php?op=resultspollID=30 See poll results. I have a duron 750mhz. does this count as a i686? To verify your cpu architecture just type 'arch' in a terminal. This should return 'i686' for your Duron. Is there such a thing as a Linux Mandrake 8.1 i586 edition? All Mandrake standard editions are i586 for x86 systems. They use to also release a 486 edition. IIRC, 7.x was the last one. If you --rebuild Mandrake src.rpms on your system they will write i686 rpms (if that's what 'arch' returns). BUT, there'll be very little if any performance increase over i586 rpms. Also, i686 will not run properly on i586 systems. I doubt Mandrake will bother to release future i686 versions for just these reasons. -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition (poll)
Ummm, well actually there is a separate flag for the Athlon optimisations., and they should not necessarily be counted with the i686. One list member compiled extensive for 686 a while ago and her results were disappointing. In general the binaries were slower on a 686 than their 586 equivalents. Athlon, on the other hand does show some increased efficiency. Expect that when gcc 3.x is out, there may be some larger benefits available for both processors. Civileme Is there a specific flag that I can use now to optimize on an athlon with gcc-2.96-0.58 ? rpm -bb --target=?? test.spec Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition (poll)
On Monday 27 August 2001 01:05 pm, Bill escribió: Athlon, on the other hand does show some increased efficiency. Expect that when gcc 3.x is out, there may be some larger benefits available for both processors. Civileme Is there a specific flag that I can use now to optimize on an athlon with gcc-2.96-0.58 ? rpm -bb --target=?? test.spec I've tried some Athlon opt'd compiles with gcc-2.96-0.57mdk and the results have been less than stellar. I'm goin to wait till Mandrake has their gcc 3 (probly 3.1) included in the main release. Right now, either 586 or 686 is solid with a 1.55gig Tbird. -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition (poll)
On Monday 27 August 2001 02:40, Bill wrote: Click on KDE control and look next to machine, it will say i686 or i586. On Sunday 26 August 2001 07:16 pm, you wrote: Would you be interested in a Linux Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition? http://pclinuxonline.com/pollBooth.php?op=resultspollID=30 See poll results. I have a duron 750mhz. does this count as a i686? Is there such a thing as a Linux Mandrake 8.1 i586 edition? Anguo Ummm, well actually there is a separate flag for the Athlon optimisations., and they should not necessarily be counted with the i686. One list member compiled extensive for 686 a while ago and her results were disappointing. In general the binaries were slower on a 686 than their 586 equivalents. Athlon, on the other hand does show some increased efficiency. Expect that when gcc 3.x is out, there may be some larger benefits available for both processors. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1
Ooops. Nope. Thanks for the heads up. -s On Thursday 12 July 2001 07:57 am, you wrote: Have a read of the latest Mandrake Cooker Weekly News (July 9): http://mt.mandrake.org/mcwn/ Here they say: Mandrake Linux release 8.1 (scheduled for october 2001) and The KDE 2.2 final version is likely to be released in September. On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:55, s wrote: there's been no announcements, but I read some speculation of about sept or oct. -s On Tuesday 10 July 2001 04:42 pm, you wrote: Just planning migration timetables for some of my machines and wondering what (if any) schedule is planned for 8.1? thanks, ::mark
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1
LOL. :-D -s On Wednesday 11 July 2001 06:44 pm, you wrote: And, until I get my new USB crystal ball configured, that's the best that I can do. Regards, Carroll
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1
there's been no announcements, but I read some speculation of about sept or oct. -s On Tuesday 10 July 2001 04:42 pm, you wrote: Just planning migration timetables for some of my machines and wondering what (if any) schedule is planned for 8.1? thanks, ::mark
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1
As someone posted a few weeks back, the boxed 8.0 PowerPack set includes a rebate on Mandrake PowerPack 8.1 purchased between September 15, 2001 and June 30, 2002. Early fall sounds good. And, until I get my new USB crystal ball configured, that's the best that I can do. Regards, Carroll s wrote: there's been no announcements, but I read some speculation of about sept or oct. -s On Tuesday 10 July 2001 04:42 pm, you wrote: Just planning migration timetables for some of my machines and wondering what (if any) schedule is planned for 8.1? thanks, ::mark
