Re: [newbie] Beware, Firefox is a spyware :)
--- John Drouhard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 23:23:52 -0500 Alex Lingo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do we know that image is real? It's probobly just a joke. If MS Anti-spyware actually did mark Firefox as spyware, we would have heard alot on it by now. Unless anyone else can confirm it, it's a joke. It's a joke. I tried it on my windoze partition and it didn't find firefox as spyware. It's probably a plant by MS marketing operatives. They've done this stuff before. LX __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Connecting a Linux computer to a MS Windows network
--- Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 28 January 2005 02:28, Bryan Phinney wrote: snip Luckily for me, the screensaver was up and I use a generic one so Goober didn't even know what OS I was running. I booted back over to Windows, let it update and then switched right back to Linux. After that, I told them that I had installed VMWare (for Testing purposes) and that it just looked like I had Linux installed. With the McDonald's rejects that get hired for tech support these days, I am not too concerned that I am going to get outsmarted or called on it. If you don't have the drive space, get Mandrake Move (Live CD) or one of the other varieties, put your config files on a small folder set aside for the purpose and boot directly from the CD. If someone happens to come by, simply pull the plug, and complain that this is the 20th time today that Windows has crashed on your computer and I guarantee you won't see a tech around for another month. /snip Good one, Bryan ! To supplement : At my hospital, the techies are just those McDonald's rejects. They force me to have Windows on my office PC, which is impractical for a surgeon (working with a blood pressure way up in the paint cards makes my hands tremble). So, every morning I just throw my Knoppix into the cupholder and off we go. And I still refuse to help my colleagues out when their Windows boxes turn blue, 'cause I never use the crap. Now, just to keep the techies away from my PC, whenever I leave my office I just use this screensaver (see attached picture). Kaj Haulrich. Love it. Classic! If they by any chance reboot, the Knoppix is gone, anyway. Pretty slick. LX __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] File Systems
On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 14:26, Alan Rolfe wrote: Which file system is best to use? Reiser fs or ext3? Jfs LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Strange things are afoot.
On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 12:17, Lanman wrote: I've been seeing some strange activity going when trying to install Mandrake 10.0 or 10.1CE on a few older systems and I was wondering if anyone here had seen the same thing? Both systems are running AMD CPU's, and had previously had Mandrake 9.2 on them. When attempting to start an install from 10.0 or 10.1CE, the systems both boot from the CD, but both of them either freeze before the first install panel pops up or fail for no apparent reason after pressing Enter, or manually setting 'linux noapic nolapic' from the 'F1' boot options console. The console screen is replaced by very dark blue screen (as if the installer couldn't load the first graphics panel where you would select the keyboard layout. In some cases, I've had partial success in getting to the International screen by adjusting P'n'P or APM options in the BIOS of either system, but once a keyboard layout is selected, the system shows me that same dark blue screen. I've had almost the exact same experience with mdk10 on an FIC AU13 system board with a Crush 18G Nforce2 chipset. Juggling the acpi options helped but still wouldn't allow installation. It seemed related to SATA on the mobo. 9.2 went in, 10 official did not. I've tried both systems with different AGP cards and I've run full memtests on both. I've updated the BIOS on both and still no joy. If you have Nforce you are going down a dead end road; it's a mobo related problem. (if not it's something else, but still probably mobo related) 9.2 will install on Nforce mobos, 10 generally will not. I hope that 10.1 has not been rushed out the door too fast and that it will install to this crop of Nforce boards here, but I have not had time to do a test install and Warly has already submitted the first official 10.1 cds for installation testing. One is an Asus board (Slot A - K7 Athlon 650Mhz. First generation Athlon), while the other is an ECS - K7VMM board (Socket A - 750Mhz. Duron). So far, I've been trying AGP cards and I'm currently thinking of slapping in a PCI card to see what happens. On the ECS board, a text mode install shows me the kernel booting, but it freezes at a line which says; 'ESR value before enabling vector: 0002' While the Asus board freezes when it's ; 'Calibrating delay loop' and doesn't even finish the line by displaying the BOGOMips result. Does anyone have some constructive suggestions other than replacing the hardware? Like I mentioned earlier both have a version of Mandrake installed and have been running for some time on 9.2 or 9.1, so hardware shouldn't be the issue. I've re-burned the CD's for 10.0 and 10.1 and I've run the MD5sum on the finished CD's - which checked out fine. H...you don't have Nforce but the symptoms are looking very similar to what I was seeing. The BEST shot you have is to file a ***tload of bug reports on 10.1; right now. You have a slim window of opportunity and I'm not talking days, I'm talking hours; maybe 42 or 72 or a little more if you're lucky. In that case you may be able to get these problems corrected in another set of installation cd's for 10.1. Try itgood luck buddy... LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Using Midnight Commander
On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 09:36, Amichai Rotman wrote: No problem, Et, But you have to realize not all of the ppl on the list know the two of you are friends off-list and such answers (including RTFM) remind me of the BOFH answers I used to get from the SysAdmin I used to work with. There is a nice and diplomatic way to say everything (even RTFM). I guess you could answer him off-list Anyway - I've made my point and I am not looking for a debate on Netiquette. OK, well while we are on the topic of netiquette, I believe that the etiquette rules specific to this list state that top posting is strictly discouraged. http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette There's been alot of it lately, especially on the Expert list. LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ProFTPD?
On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 15:47, Miark wrote: On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:41:20 -0500, Eric wrote: I want to set up my /var/www/html directory with limited FTP access. I can't figure out or find howtos on the webmin module for proftpd, and apparently I don't know how to work the /etc/proftp.conf file because the changes I make seem to make no difference. Can anybodye give me a basic howto to set this up? Dumb question, perhaps, but did you restart ProFTPd after your made your changes? Miark Miark send me something off list -- LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Apache and blocking Referrer spam
On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 06:19, frankieh wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: Don't know if anyone else here is running Apache with web logs, or 'blogs' and has had trouble with referrer spam but I thought I would mention my latest experience. Blogs are one of the more interesting developments of the Internet and there are a lot of packages out there that allow people to maintain their own blogs. If you run Apache and host these packages, you may have noticed a lot of traffic recently as marketers try to adverise their web sites by throwing traffic at a blog and thereby moving their site to the top of the referrer's list. They are also hoping to increase their Google rank by increasing the number of sites that advertise links to their own sites. Mostly porn sites currently, but several others have been doing this. I recently got hit by someone operating (out of Texas, I think) who had several sites hosted at EV1 and was using various open proxies to refer traffic to my blog and increase his rank. Initially, I just figured out how to ban his sites from my referrer listing but I was really unsatisfied with that response since he kept hitting my site anyway with robots and it just wasn't very gratifying to me. I would have had problems blocking his traffic altogether since he was using various open proxies and switching them regularly, so I wanted to be able to focus exclusively on his traffic. He was also rotating the browser agent and so on, so blocking that would have been problematic as well. So, I finally did some research and figured out how to deny access to requests that contained certain keywords (including his web site domain names) in the request (referrer) which effectively resulted in him getting 403 errors rather than actually getting into my web page. After 2-3 days of him not getting into the site, I sent an email (to the admin account at one of the domains) and pointed out to him that he was wasting his time since I was blocking his spam bots and that he might do better to find an easier target. As of today, all the spam referrer traffic has stopped which I suspect means that he has given up. If anyone else is having this problem and runs Apache to host their own site, I can quickly show you how to do this (add a few lines to httpd2.conf) and you can block these out yourself. Yup, please do.. I have had about 200 comment spams added to my site in the last couple of months.. so I setup my router withi a blacklist and I've just been adding the nasty IP to that blacklist. I also changed the blog over to comment moderation.. I'd prefer a better answer though, so I'd love to read about yours. In fact if you like I can even turn it into something of a tute and put it on the site for others to find. rgds Franki Interesting thread; I'd like to learn how to do this as well LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] What Ritter says
On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 07:26, PM wrote: On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 11:22, PM wrote: Many apologies, everybody - wrong list. pm __ It's more or less expected from Joseph PM Goebbels. :) LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] What Ritter says
On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 11:38, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Monday 11 October 2004 07:26 am, PM wrote: On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 11:22, PM wrote: Many apologies, everybody - wrong list. pm roflol! So what other list are you posting such drivel to? (and by a man who was on Saddams payroll, no less!) Good call there, PM. :-) It was accidentally posted to the Newbie list. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] What Ritter says
On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 16:34, Ian wrote: On Monday 11 Oct 2004 12:26, PM wrote: On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 11:22, PM wrote: Many apologies, everybody - wrong list. pm Very informative, though :-) Saddam paid him to do this stuff -- check out the OT list. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Partitioning new HD
On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 04:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I would like to install the 10.1 release of Mandrake on my new notebook. I would like to partition my HD so I will not have to format partition with my data each time I try to fully reinstall linux distribution. My question is, how I should partition my HD and what directories should be on which partition? I was thinking about something like: Partition | Mount | Size GB | Contents ---+--+-+-- Root |/ |5| /boot, /etc, /usr, /var, ... Data |/mnt/disk | ~65| /home, /usr/local, /tmp Windows|/mnt/win | 10| Swap |swap |0.5 | Disk /dev/sda: 36.7 GB, 36703918080 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4462 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 4462 35840983+ 85 Linux extended /dev/sda5 1 6 48132 83 Linux /dev/sda6 793698796 83 Linux /dev/sda794 160538146 82 Linux swap /dev/sda8 161 307 1180746 83 Linux /dev/sda9 308 902 4779306 83 Linux /dev/sda10 903 4462 28595668+ 83 Linux sda5 = boot sda6 = root sda7 = swap sda8 = tmp sda9 = usr sda10 = var /home is symlinked to /var/home. You can use the cylinder numbers above directly; on LBA schemes the cylinders are the same size across all hard drives these days. The above setup is for a 35 gig drive, on other systems, use the same partition sizes except for var, which you allocate the lion's share of the rest of the drive to. Consolidation of var and home has many advantages, just a few of which include consolidation of space resources, and grouping together all files of similar lifetimes. var and home have always been the most similar in terms of file lifetimes. There is no home partition in the Linux partition layout above. The reason for that is in my file lifetime analysis I have found that the files in /home partition and /var partition have a highly similar rate of change; therefore in all installs I symlink /home to /var/home. The rule is to group files with similar rates of change together in the same partition containers whenever possible. Among other things this eliminates another partition divide and allows you to consolidate your /home and /var disk resources in one, giving you much more space flexibility. The more partitions you have the less flexible your space usability becomes. Partition classification by file rates of change also reduces the chances of filesystem corruption overall by utilizing separation of filesystems by destructive risk. The higher the rate of change of a set of files the higher the probability of filesystem faux pas. Hence for example one of the historical reasons behind a separate /tmp partition. You may be asking, why this order of partitions and why these sizes. The sizes are from actual installs (many installs) and are sized to fit MDK 9.2- 10, with space to spare. You should not have to resize the partitions for a long time. The reason for the partition order is because drive access is faster the closer to the spindle (cylinder 0) that you get. Therefore, after boot and root, swap is the first partition in line, getting the prime real estate. /tmp has files with the shortest lifetimes, therefore it benefits overall OS speed for it to be close to the spindle also; but it's priority is after swap. /usr is next so that binaries can be loaded fast. /var is last so that it can get the rest of the drive. Everything except /var can pretty much remain the same as far as size; as long as you put /home in /var/home with a symlink to /home. Boot-root are special cases, don't take up much room, and therefore have a minimal impact on the prime real estate at the drive spindle; and boot speed is my main reason for putting them there, besides there being an old under-the-1024 cylinder OS boot rule that I still subconsciously respect for some reason. Swap is first in line to take advantage of spindle real estate; followed by /tmp. You definitely want swap to have the best seat in the house, with /tmp following a close second. Generally you want to put partitions that have the shortest file lifetimes closer to the spindle and partitions that have files with the longest file lifetimes out towards the edge of the platter. /usr has long file lifetimes and thus as you see above is an exception to the latter speed rule, but I put it where it is for reasons of program load speed. There's always an exception to the rule. ;) There are only two types of partitions; primary and extended. Note also that there is no 'primary partition type' for Linux. This is simply because of symmetry and also because of the fact that Linux doesn't need one. MDK can operate completely
Re: [newbie] Partitioning new HD
On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 11:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Citát Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 04:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Disk /dev/sda: 36.7 GB, 36703918080 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4462 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 4462 35840983+ 85 Linux extended /dev/sda5 1 6 48132 83 Linux /dev/sda6 793698796 83 Linux /dev/sda794 160538146 82 Linux swap /dev/sda8 161 307 1180746 83 Linux /dev/sda9 308 902 4779306 83 Linux /dev/sda10 903 4462 28595668+ 83 Linux sda5 = boot sda6 = root sda7 = swap sda8 = tmp sda9 = usr sda10 = var Looks good. I think I can live with /tmp and /var on one partition. Is it wrong to merge the /boot, /root and /var partitions into one? It looks too fragmented to me ... but it can be because i am just not used to it. Boot and root are negligible if you look at the sizes, so there's no need not to let them remain seperate. Read back over my paragraphs on filesystem lifetimes and filesystem risk. A laptop is worse off because it's in more stringent environments than a desktop. If it was me, the way I have it above would be just the way I would do it. You may be asking, why this order of partitions and why these sizes. The sizes are from actual installs (many installs) and are sized to fit MDK 9.2- 10, with space to spare. You should not have to resize the partitions for a long time. The reason for the partition order is because drive access is faster the closer to the spindle (cylinder 0) that you get. Therefore, after boot and root, swap is the first partition in line, getting the prime real estate. /tmp has files with the shortest lifetimes, therefore it benefits overall OS speed for it to be close to the spindle also; but it's priority is after swap. /usr is next so that binaries can be loaded fast. /var is last so that it can get the rest of the drive. This is interesting. I will try to take this into account. Everything except /var can pretty much remain the same as far as size; as long as you put /home in /var/home with a symlink to /home. I'll do that. snip - What FS would you recommend? Is it possible to have / as ext2/3 and /mnt/disk as reiserfs? On a laptop, use JFS because it uses less cpu cycles than XFS or Reiserfs (which is a cpu hog) but has capabilities on a par with XFS (including speed). How is it with performance of those filesystems? And what other advantages has JFS compared to the Reiser FS except smaller cpu usage? It's faster overall, quicker than XFS in most cases, yet it uses less cpu cycles. Excellent for a laptop. Also for a desktop as well, if you want to maximize your cpu power. Saving cpu cycles will also save power. Which will maximize your battery life on a laptop. I would steer away from Reiser because it's slow and it sucks cpu cycles the worst of all the other filesystems. I have a relatively recent set of performance benchmarks but I'll have to dig them up if you would like to see them. Thanks, Stefan NP LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Audio Query
On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 02:12, Graham Watkins wrote: Morning All, Anybody here know which, if any, Linux media program will play a file with an .asx extension? Have you tried the PLF version of mplayer? LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Audio Query
On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 03:58, Graham Watkins wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 02:12, Graham Watkins wrote: Morning All, Anybody here know which, if any, Linux media program will play a file with an .asx extension? Have you tried the PLF version of mplayer? LX No, but then I can't get the version of Mplayer that I have to play anything at all. That's not unusual if you have the MDK version, I was having problems also. Download the PLF version and try that. Tell us how it did. LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: data cd's
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 11:11, Paul Smith wrote: On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:59:02 +0100, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just installed udftools and checked its project site, but I did not find any documentation. So, does somebody here know how to use udftools for writing on cd-rw disks? Since, nobody has answered this post, is it correct, according to netiquette principles, to ask the same question in a different list? Paul Absolutely. Post this to the expert list and see what you get BTW you have a Reply To set. This is a no no. Check Eric Huff's netiquette rules that are posted periodically to this list. The Reply To should not be set to anything at all. This causes a respondent to send to you rather than the list by default. LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 07:31, Lanman wrote: LX, snip, snip, snip, and more snippage. Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Without that, MDK would be just another gray distro. Definite words of wisdom! How old is this guy? Should we be calling him *Master* ? Personally I'd just settle for being Ann Coulter's webmaster. ;) We need to keep the newbie list the friendliest list on the net, so that we can continue to remain a haven for new users. A worthwhile pursuit even if some of us have become somewhat jaded. Still, we should strive in search of perfection, Yes/No? Exactly, which is the reason for me being Ann Coulter's webmaster, since she is the model of perfection. grin To that end we have an unusually large aggregation of socially aware users on this list; that are also technically capable. Did I hear someone refer to me again? (Grin!) My ears are burning for some reason! LMAO! I should have saved your ears and just said it out loud: LANMAN. grin LX I'm getting bored with constantly agreeing with this guy! I'm not! grin! He is consistently spouting truths and common sense like it's the left over coffee grounds at a StarBuck's. In order to save a lot of time complimenting Lyvim on his wisdom, I propose we simply elect him to the position of *List-Sensei*, and be done with it! All in Favor? However, I don't suggest a pedestal. The air would be too thin up there and he might pass out! Grin! Some might say that the air must be a certain specific gravity in order for me to be able to convert it into hotter air. Hehehe Even though people like Bryan and I can disagree on philosophical and idealogical concepts, we still retain respect for one another (although there are times when you wouldn't easily notice it), and continue to participate on the list with the best intentions. A lot of that has to do with members like Lyvim keeping a steady demeanor and being patient with us passionate types who can get carried away. Yet I myself am a passionate type like yourself. I just believe in sparring with those who I consider to be at least as opinionated and outspoken as I am, yet incorrect in my experience. I am sure you feel the same way about yourself. Such disagreements, IMO, advance the status quo. This is much different than newbie abuse; you can be assured that I *don't* believe in abusing newbies. Which is primarily why I wrote what I did; but I know you already know that. There's a big difference between disagreements between seasoned list members and an unwarranted attack on a newbie that's just getting into the Linux world. But once again I don't need to tell you that. Lyvim is one of the few who maintains a relatively even composure compared to some of us and constantly offers help, suggestions and tactful nudges as to list etiquette instead of attacking newbies or welcoming them with criticism. I'd like to think that guys like LX will make this list a favourite spot for newbies for a long time to come and will ultimately lead to a better experience for most of us. Thanks for the kind words, Lanman. There are some spring loaded prima donna's that might disagree with you, but I think they are the least of our difficulties. Especially since we have the OT list available for political disagreements and otherwise, therefore we can send them over there for decisive ends to disagreements (if they have the cahoneys to go, which most of the milksops that whine or bitch or have politically inflaming sigs don't have the nutsack to do it) and at that point I can handle them with dispatch. BTW you should visit us at the OT list, as you are constantly an interesting topic of conversation. ;) Now, if only we could devise a way to increase Joe's Prozac dosage, and find a way to enforce a minimum caffeine limit of at least 6 cups/day in all list-members this place would be a lot more enjoyable for all! Joe might think that some of this (that I wrote) is directed at him, but it's not really. In fact, Joe of late has been very newbie friendly. I hope that trend will continue. (By the way Lyvim? I hope my check is in the mail? Grin!) It was too big for one payment so it was the first of ten installments with a final bonus upon your subscription to the OT list. ;) LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 13:27, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 07:31:20AM -0400, Lanman wrote: LX, whack Lyvim is one of the few who maintains a relatively even composure compared to some of us and constantly offers help, suggestions and tactful nudges as to list etiquette instead of attacking newbies or welcoming them with criticism. I'd like to think that guys like LX will make this list a favourite spot for newbies for a long time to come and will ultimately lead to a better experience for most of us. snip Are you insane? __ Are you another annoying Democrat? LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: data cd's
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 14:18, Paul Smith wrote: On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:50:33 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just installed udftools and checked its project site, but I did not find any documentation. So, does somebody here know how to use udftools for writing on cd-rw disks? Since, nobody has answered this post, is it correct, according to netiquette principles, to ask the same question in a different list? Absolutely. Post this to the expert list and see what you get BTW you have a Reply To set. This is a no no. Check Eric Huff's netiquette rules that are posted periodically to this list. The Reply To should not be set to anything at all. This causes a respondent to send to you rather than the list by default. The reply-to address issue was already discussed here. It is not my fault, as GMail does not allow the users to set the reply-to address as empty. I contacted GMail staff and they replied me confirming me that. Paul __ Wow, and somebody just sent me an invitation to get a gmail account too. Is this completely web based stuff or can you use a Pop3 client? And if that's possible, is it then possible to change the reply to at that point? LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 14:19, Margot wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 13:27, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 07:31:20AM -0400, Lanman wrote: LX, whack Lyvim is one of the few who maintains a relatively even composure compared to some of us and constantly offers help, suggestions and tactful nudges as to list etiquette instead of attacking newbies or welcoming them with criticism. I'd like to think that guys like LX will make this list a favourite spot for newbies for a long time to come and will ultimately lead to a better experience for most of us. snip Are you insane? __ Are you another annoying Democrat? LX Can we move this to the OT list now please, before it goes any further? And Todd and Lanman would be more than welcome to join us there ;-) That was fast. I didn't even get a chance to complete another round on this one, thanks to Margot's vigilance. ;) Meet me on the OT list for further discussion of this, Margot? LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] archiving to multi volumes
On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 14:55, hugenots wrote: welcome newbie, can someone sugest nice script for making tar arcives with given size from given folder, presuming that data in folder is more than given volume size; that volumes must be independet form each other (no file spliting); that volume name is smart (e.g. vol1.tar; vol2.tar vol3.tar; ...) maybe I'm thinking in the wrong direction, then please enlighten me :) the idea is to make tar arcives for storing to dvd, except storing will be done once in a month, but archiving should be perfomed more or less every night. so there will be hard copy and daily backup. My suggestion is to use rar. With rar, you can do multivolume archives, fully compressed, into whatever size you need. I picked a size number (exactly 3670 bytes) that would allow me to exactly fill up 700 meg CD's with little or no slack space left over. There is about 2 meg or so slack space left over after you put 20 volumes on the CD. You could just as easily pick a size that would fit exactly to the 4.7 gig size of a DVD. Rar also allows you to put recovery data in with the archives. These contain data that can be used to reconstruct a damaged multivolume archive section. So if something happens to your backup media and archive volume number 365 happens to be damaged or incomplete, the recovery volumes (across ALL of the volumes) use their information to reconstruct that particular volume. The rar command line I use to archive: rar a -mdG -r -rr -ol -cl -av- -m5 -v3670b archive_name source_files a is a rar command and instructs it to create an archive. -mdG increases the table of contents to max for large numbers of files. -r instructs rar to be recursive, and descend into subdirectories. -rr instructs rar to put recovery information in every single archive. -ol Important. Tells rar to save symbolic links as a file rather than to follow them. -cl possibly not needed, but I use it to archive windows partitions; converts all filenames to lower case. Use judiciously and as needed. -av- disables volume authentication, which is not available in the free version of rar anyhow. Omitting this may cause non-critical errors whenever you access the archives. -m5 Maximum compression. Unbeatable by any other compression utility in Linux. Adjust downward if you want faster archiving. Maximum compression gives you the absolute most data per CD, but it takes alot of time to create; you may want to sacrifice compression for speed. Extraction from archives does not seem to be affected by the initial compression level. One reason I like multivolume archives, if you don't already know this, is because of recovery information as well as risk distribution. Big files that take up a whole CD are a bad thing(tm). You lose the file, you lose the whole archive. It's much better to split the whole storage up into recoverable handleable pieces. That way if you lose a piece, you don't lose the whole thing. Large CD-sized archives are a disaster waiting to happen. One bad spot on the CD and your data is toast. Not so with multivolume archives. You lose one archive, you still have a prayer of recovering the lost piece. The more mulitvolumes you have, the more the risk is distributed. 20 archives per cd is a number I chose, however the number of archives per cd could be 30 or 40, if you greatly value your data. The risk of loss is distributed more as you increase the number of archives. With tar, you cannot do multivolume archives unless you are writing to removable media that can be changed out. That normally doesn't happen these days for the normal user. I write to free space on the hard drive first, then burn the result to CD. Also, with tar or gzip, you can forget recovery capabilities. Not happening. With rar the compression is superior, multivolume archiving is possible, recovery information per volume is possible, and if your cd gets damaged you still have the chance of reconstructing volumes. Example archive cd listing: [EMAIL PROTECTED] elx]$ ll /mnt/cdrom2 total 711500 -r-xr-xr-x1 root root 3670 Jan 18 10:24 bg2.part001.rar* -r-xr-xr-x1 root root 3670 Jan 18 10:26 bg2.part002.rar* -r-xr-xr-x1 root root 3670 Jan 18 10:28 bg2.part003.rar* -r-xr-xr-x1 root root 3670 Jan 18 10:30 bg2.part004.rar* -r-xr-xr-x1 root root 3670 Jan 18 10:32 bg2.part005.rar* -r-xr-xr-x1 root root 3670 Jan 18 10:34 bg2.part006.rar* -r-xr-xr-x1 root root 3670 Jan 18 10:36 bg2.part007.rar* -r-xr-xr-x1 root root 3670 Jan 18 10:37 bg2.part008.rar* -r-xr-xr-x1 root root 3670 Jan 18 10:40 bg2.part009.rar* -r-xr-xr-x1 root root 3670 Jan 18 10:42 bg2.part010.rar* -r-xr-xr-x1 root root 3670 Jan 18 10:44 bg2.part011.rar* -r-xr-xr-x1 root root 3670 Jan 18 10:46
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 05:57, et wrote: On Friday 01 October 2004 01:01, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Without that, MDK would be just another gray distro. We need to keep the newbie list the friendliest list on the net, so that we can continue to remain a haven for new users. To that end we have an unusually large aggregation of socially aware users on this list; that are also technically capable. damn,,, first thing in the morning,,, and I _have_ to agree with LX. Is that a first? ;) LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 00:47, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Friday 01 October 2004 09:55 pm, Eric Huff wrote: Shortly after that, they set up a script at mandrake to kill bouncing addresses, so the two are linked, though it's funny that was the last post! It's a shame mandrake never re-subscribed themselves to the list after the big burp. I'm a little confused. What do you mean mandrake never re-subscribed? The non-mandrake archives get the messages by being subscribed to the list. I may be jumping to conclusions, but when mandrake's newbie archive stopped at exactly the same time as a mass unsubbing, i had assumed the same of the mandrake archives. eric Eric: IIRC, you're right that the archives stopped being maintained simultaneously with the mass unsubscribing. I just did a little more digging, and the expert archives are not only current, but they appear to be complete. This was definitely not the case the last time I checked early this year when there were no updates of either archive beyond November 15, 2003. Somewhere along the line, Mandrake seems to have corrected the problem with the expert archives but the newbie list got missed in the shuffle. Curious. As for the subscription thing: Aren't they all part of the same company? Hell, for all that I know, the servers are in the same room. -- cmg They are; Todd Lyons used to maintain them when he was working for MDK in the nutbar state. LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thats a relief!
On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 12:26, Ronald J. Hall wrote: The US Patent office has *rejected* all claims by Microsoft to the FAT filesystem. :-) http://linuxtoday.com/news/2004093003026NWLL That means they don't have the power to kill it like they want to. LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 19:15, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:50:35 +0200 H.J.Bathoorn disseminated the following: Hey jerkoff, you might want to actually visit those URL's and notice they are *out of date*. heh heh,trust you to notice!;) It should be in the welcome message: Don't RTFM when Joe Hill's about or you'll get cussed at ;D I don't mind the odd 'polite' RTFM, but hey, at least don't be such a beast about it, and make some effort to at least know of what you speak, eh? Right on both counts. LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 19:08, David B. Carter wrote: Thanks, Joe. I appreciate the help. To the other not-so-kind poster: perhaps you should read the RTFQ(uestion) before spewing acronyms. It clearly said in my post, that I HAVE visited those URL's and they don't contain any archives from this year! This being the newbie list, it is supposed to be friendly to newbies and helpful, and not a place for somebody to try to look smart by slashing anyone with a pertinent question. There are plenty of lists out there that do this already. Red Hat mailing lists are famous for their rudeness and complete lack of social skills online. I don't know what linux list on the net would rank as the all time greatest concentration of social imbeciles, but I'm pretty sure that the Red Hat list scores pretty good. Linux is already unfairly propagandized as being unfriendly without having the extra burden of being accused of encompassing a bunch of a**hole users. One reason I think Mandrake is successful as it is is because of it's receptiveness to new users and it's acceptance (and also education) of them. Without that, MDK would be just another gray distro. We need to keep the newbie list the friendliest list on the net, so that we can continue to remain a haven for new users. To that end we have an unusually large aggregation of socially aware users on this list; that are also technically capable. LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 01:14, Eric Huff wrote: Looks like they updated the Expert list, but Newbie is still showing nothing for September. Joe: I dug a little deeper, and found that the last message indexed at archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie was by Eric Huff at 04:29 on November 15, 2003; the subject was (are you ready) ** LIST ISSUES: PLEASE READ **. (How's that for irony?) LOL! If i remember correctly, that post was probably about the thousands of emails bouncing from ex-listmembers or members with full accounts. Shortly after that, they set up a script at mandrake to kill bouncing addresses, so the two are linked, though it's funny that was the last post! It's a shame mandrake never re-subscribed themselves to the list after the big burp. I'm a little confused. What do you mean mandrake never re-subscribed? Who do we contact there these days? Is Vincent still active? eric Active, no. Responsible for list servers staying up, probably. LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Helix vs. Real Player?
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 21:38, JoeHill wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:31:48 +0200 H.J.Bathoorn disseminated the following: I second that. Mileage varies on other players, mplayer always just works on all sorts of distro's and plays almost anything you throw at it. I'd be way pleased if you or anyone could tell me why this isn't working: http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/ Yes I can. You are running into the same problem I have been running into, which is javascripts that shield the raw url from you. What we need is a javascript plugin that will extract the raw links from the embedded javascript. Then you can play whatever you want to play; mplayer is fully capable, as you already know; we just need the raw links. Perhaps some fiddling with file associations might work. I use Opera and have Open Javascript console on error. When I pick the Face the Nation video I get: Inline script thread Error: name: TypeError message: Statement on line 47: Expression evaluated to null or undefined and is not convertible to Object: navigator.mimeTypes[application/x-mplayer2] Backtrace: Line 47 of linked script http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/detectWM.js var player = navigator.mimeTypes[application/x-mplayer2].enabledPlugin; Line 100 of linked script http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/detectWM.js var detectionResults = detectWMP(); Line 3 of inline#1 script in http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.php?player=realplayertype=vquality=highreposid=/multimedia/tds/headlines/9035.html checkRedirect(error.php); So it looks like it's a realplayer stream. The last line looks sort of like a raw URL, but it isn't because native realplayer won't pull it up. We need a way to extract raw urls from javascript. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Helix vs. Real Player?
On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 08:56, Todd Slater wrote: On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 09:38:41PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:31:48 +0200 H.J.Bathoorn disseminated the following: I second that. Mileage varies on other players, mplayer always just works on all sorts of distro's and plays almost anything you throw at it. I'd be way pleased if you or anyone could tell me why this isn't working: http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/ ...and yet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$rpm -qa | grep codecs win32-codecs-1.4-2plf real-codecs-1.2-1plf xanim-codecs-1.0-3plf and: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$rpm -qa | grep mplayer mplayer-1.0-0.pre3.14plf mplayer-gui-1.0-0.pre3.15plf mplayerplugin-0.80-1mdk mplayer-skins-1.3-8mdk When I try to view a clip, I get 'loading movie...', but that turns out to be a damned lie! ;-) It's a conspiracy perpetrated by the U.S. and Canadian governments and a handful of these two nations' most powerful telecommunications companies. After all, what is said on one end is never exactly the same as what comes out on the other. Todd And don't forget -- watch the comedy channel to learn more. g LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Helix vs. Real Player?
On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 09:36, Lanman wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 08:56, Todd Slater wrote: When I try to view a clip, I get 'loading movie...', but that turns out to be a damned lie! ;-) It's a conspiracy perpetrated by the U.S. and Canadian governments and a handful of these two nations' most powerful telecommunications companies. After all, what is said on one end is never exactly the same as what comes out on the other. Todd And don't forget -- watch the comedy channel to learn more. g LX Lyvim - Nice one! The site seems to be set up only for Windows Media Player version 9.0. Tried it using a client's system which has WMP8.0 and an error came up regarding the fact that it only accepts WMP 9.0 as the player. Looks like they either changed to WM Encoding recently, or it never worked with any other player at all. My guess is that they changed it recently. Sorry Guys. Lanman Either way, all this would be a moot point if we had the raw link. Then you just pass the raw link to mplayer on the command line, like so: mplayer -cache 512 rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/c04/c04090104_rnc2.rm As long as we can't extract raw links from javascript, we will continually be at the mercy of any website that wants to be a bitch. Someone needs to write an all purpose java plugin that will search and destroy embedded javascript, spitting out raw urls and/or passing them onto applications that we select. LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Off Topic?
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 00:42, Stephen Kühn wrote: Anyone know the address for re-addressing the off-toping crud? What's off-toping crud? LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Helix vs. Real Player?
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 12:59, Sevatio wrote: How does Real Player 10 compare with Helix Player? Neither one of them hold a candle to Mplayer. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Helix vs. Real Player?
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 15:42, Sevatio wrote: So, you use Mplayer to play Real codecs? Sevatio Correct, and use the plf version of mplayer also. That will give you the best functionality. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Helix vs. Real Player?
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 16:39, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Tuesday 28 September 2004 21:42, Sevatio wrote: So, you use Mplayer to play Real codecs? Sevatio Frankly, they haven't crossed my path for the last 2 years. So I don't knowI doubt it. Yes, I just played some cspan stuff today. The Real codecs work perfectly here. IIRC I did see them being used for TV over internet and used mozilla (with plugins) to view them. Horrible quality, that's what chased me away. Sounds like a wierd configuration was the culprit. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] iso
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 20:12, Melvin M wrote: Can anyone help me with an iso file?..i downloaded mandrake 10.1 and got all three disks but i dont know how to open them or instal Is there a difference in iso files or am i doing something wrong?..Hhhhep...Melvin Run gcombust, or if it doesn't run, 'urpmi gcombust' LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd Internet problem...
On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 21:52, Ronald J. Hall wrote: Okay, all of a sudden my 13 year olds comp refuses to get on the Internet. This is a system loaded with v9.2 (download editon) of Mandrake. I've got cablemodem service, with a DLink router. I've always used static ip addresses and MAC addresses assigned to each comp on the Lan. My 13 year olds is: darkforce2.ky.org 192.168.0.101 When he boots up, he can ping himself, or any other comp on the LAN. When I run ifconfig as root, it shows his ip address above, and it looks just the output from ifconfig on the other comps on the LAN (noting of course, the diff. mac and ip addressess). This was a reliably working setup, for over a year now and I can't for the life of me figure out what changed. He swears that he didn't touch or change anything. I looked at /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and it looks like its supposed to, identical to the other comps on the LAN, noting the diff. in ip addressess again. Okay, after further scouting around we did notice something really odd. The hardware address for his NIC is now different than it was before. Why would this change? I tried going into the config page for my router and changing it to the new hardware address then restarting everything but it made no difference. Any ideas anyone? Any directions or leads? Does he have onboard 10/100 and is it a Broadcomm chip? Seems I remember reading that the mac addresses for onboard stuff could be changed...somewhere. I thought it interesting at the time but right now I can't remember exactly what the context was. Check the route via the route command and make sure he has the right gateway. Don't depend on the config files, use route and see what's there from the command line. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Yet another MS threat
On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 22:19, JoeHill wrote: On 20 Sep 2004 14:34:45 -0500 Eric Scott disseminated the following: Lol, ranks right up there with freeyourmachine.org, only this stuff's logical instead of the ramblings of an overemphasizing MS-hater. This link is... um... the logical, reasonable, believable ramblings of an overemphasizing MS-hater. Thanks for the positive feedback. I'm really glad you joined our little group here. Now fuck off. While I think that your arrival was bad to the point that you caused your own name to be added to the etiquette rules list. This email is a prime example of why that was. Eric might also be interested to know that your candy ass was spanked so bad on the OT list that you ran back over here. Now stop growling and snapping at the zoo visitors, or your daily supply of weed will be sharply curtailed. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Yet another MS threat
On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 22:55, Lanman wrote: JoeHill wrote: On 20 Sep 2004 14:34:45 -0500 Eric Scott disseminated the following: Lol, ranks right up there with freeyourmachine.org, only this stuff's logical instead of the ramblings of an overemphasizing MS-hater. This link is... um... the logical, reasonable, believable ramblings of an overemphasizing MS-hater. Thanks for the positive feedback. I'm really glad you joined our little group here. Now fuck off. Ah yes, Once again, Joe Hill opens his yap and eloquent responses spew out. It's the pothead thing. Like alchoholism, the death of a critical number of neurons leads to serotonin imbalance, lack of comprehension and a corresponding need to emit snaps and growls. Keep visitors away from the cage for two months, and administer a forced rectal exam every day during that period until the behavior subsides. All Hail Joe Hill, or you might get sworn at and then plonked! OH, NOOooo! Not plonked by the Mighty Joe Hill? Say it isn't so! How can we manage to live without his snappy, witty, intelligent retorts and enlightened opinions! Please! Someone pinch me before I suffocate from laughing this hard! Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Good, Intuitive developement platform?
On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 13:43, JoeHill wrote: On 16 Sep 2004 01:39:02 + Eric Scott disseminated the following: Though I'm not a proficient or experience developer, I like to tinker with code every now and then and learn what I can. What are some of the best development environments can I run on my Mandrake 9.1 box that have something like the intuitiveness of KDevelop and something in the neighborhood, or at least the same state, as Visual Studio .net? I use a file manager called ROX, which is developed using PyGTK. From what I've seen, the learning curve is not too steep, people seem to pick it up pretty quickly (no personal experience, just observation of others' progress). Check out code samples and development notes here: Joe, a development environment in the context that Eric Scott is speaking of means an IDE, or Integrated Development Environment. An IDE is a special-purpose client application that allows you to code, either C or C++, compile, debug, and do consistency and syntax checks on source code. Vi can be thought of as a rather raw, spartan and extremely low level IDE. Kdevelop, on the other hand, can be thought of as a very advanced and friendly high level IDE. The first IDE I was ever exposed to was shipped with Borland C, and it was so popular that several clones still exist even today, such as RHIDE http://sourceforge.net/projects/rhide And another clone that I used for awhile before I discovered RHIDE and kdevelop -- http://www.identicalsoftware.com/xwpe/ These two IDE's are excellent for beginners to C programming. Rhide is better maintained. Kdevelop is a little too much for a beginner and (IMO)detracts from learning c at a lower level. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Good, Intuitive developement platform?
On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 21:39, Eric Scott wrote: Yo; Though I'm not a proficient or experience developer, I like to tinker with code every now and then and learn what I can. What are some of the best development environments can I run on my Mandrake 9.1 box that have something like the intuitiveness of KDevelop and something in the neighborhood, or at least the same state, as Visual Studio .net? Thanx, ES Eric, You won't find much that's superior to Kdevelop, that I know about, anyway. If you like, you can download a version of Kylix from Borland for linux and check that out. I have looked at Kylix, but I don't like it because it's just too darn big and complicated. Kylix is tailored for the GUI programmer, and has alot of crap that I don't think is necessary(borland widget libraries). But evidently someone does, and I'm not a Borland widget type guy. Kylix seems geared to put you into Borland's libraries, while Kdevelop is engineered to make things as functional as possible without sacrificing ease of use. Kdevelop is geared towards getting your project documented, debugged, compiled, tested, packaged, and out the door. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10.1 community on bittorrent = slow
On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 13:16, Dennis Myers wrote: Is anyone else d/ling the 10.1 community on bt? I have discs 4 and 5 very quickly but the CD1-3 torrent is very slow. At best I get 10kbs. I have checked all the settings and do not know what to do to make it d/l faster. Any suggestions? TIA for your recommendations. Doing the same and getting the same. I've got the proper ports opened up and AFAIK the configuration is correct. Similar 10.0.2 download was 80k or better on average. I don't know how to fix. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Put on your tinfoil hats...
On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 12:06, Eric Scott wrote: You have been paying too much attention to CBS the like we still havent given up to the neocomms. I know how you feel, as I had just about the same view a year or so ago. But I've found that if you give it a second chance... and turn a blind eye to the political corruption... America really isn't all that bad. We've got plenty of flaws, PLENTY, but all the same America is still the greatest and, relatively, one of the free-est contries on earth, and I'm sticking with it. If all else fails we can all move to Scotland. Cheers, ES Thanks for the complement, Eric. You should join us on the MandrakeOT mailing list. You've got a uk addy though. Are you not in the states? LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 14:11, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 15 September 2004 19:26, David E. Fox wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:29:59 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And thanks for the roses for my daughter. Actually she grew up with Linux, and when she got her brand new WindowsXP computer, her first remark was : good heavens, what a childish system ! (In fact, her Just don't get her one of those barbie-doll computers (hot pink color) :). (duck) Is a Barbie-doll PC more childish than a Windows PC ? Kaj Haulrich. That's a tough call. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 19:00, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Never mind Barbie. Check this out: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=314966pfp=BROWSE After all, shouldn't a Mickey Mouse operating system be run on a genuine Mickey Mouse computer? -- cmg Wow...I thought I'd seen the last of the mickey mouse computers when the American division of Packard Bell shut down. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Put on your tinfoil hats...
On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 22:35, John Wilson wrote: On September 15, 2004 07:42 am, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:25:59 -0400 Ronald J. Hall disseminated the following: I love my country but I fear my government Amen to that. I think that's something that most people have in common, to varying degrees, all over the world. Having said that, just let me note that no matter how bad my government got, I'd never turn my back on my country, or disavow it. Well, I guess it depends on how you define 'country', at least to me. If you mean the people around you, that you live with and work with, and all the people that share your goals and values, basic to most of us, like 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (of course, in Canada it's: 'Life, Liberty, and the Security of the Person'...typical vague and somehow disturbing Canadian shite), then of course no one would disavow their country, IMO. Don't worry, though, the real people, the people that really make up a 'country', always win. The Government is always at a disadvantage: http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/s/SNAFUprinciple.html Actually, it's Peace, Order and Good Government which you, of all people should know, Joe. And it's been used in rather disturbing fashion. AKA the War Measures Act in 1970 when we Canadians were dealing with our own happy band of terrorists in Quebec. The Patriot Act, for all the it stinks to high heaven, is a piker conpared to what we went through here at the time. And better than 90% of the population supported it at the time! It's one reason that I dispair of all the criticism that goes on among my holier-than-thou countrymen who seem to forget our own track record when we flay George W Bush. We do that while naming mountains, airports and anything else not nailed down after Pierre E Trudeau who imposed the war measures act. Need I point out our hypocracy? And, though you wouldn't know it by all the uninformed hand wringing going on in some circles in Washington, DC, our current security laws haven't elimiated that bit of wartime nonsense. It's just been renamed, repackaged and taught to smile. Oh, and guess which country is home to the most developed, efficent and most secret communications interception and decryting agency on the planet? Why it's Canada. For all that I'm still Canadian and always will be. I just don't trust government much. Any government. Then again, I don't expect much from them either. Not bad for a unreconstructed lefty :) ttfn John Nice stuff, John! Again! g LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 22:05, aron Smith wrote: On Monday 13 September 2004 04:18 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Monday 13 September 2004 04:14 pm, JoeHill wrote: The next time someone tries to come at you with the old 'well, Microsoft has helped the economy by creating jobs and expanding IT' crap, you can throw a number back in their face: $60 Billion. That's how much MS has sucked out of the IT industry, sitting on it's hoard like a Great Worm: http://tinyurl.com/5ford Best part: A Microsoft representative was not immediately available for comment. Joe: Kinda makes you want to go out and buy a copy of Suse, doesn't it? Resist the urge. Tried SUSE didn't work near as good as mandrake Not surprising. And exactly what I would expect. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Rootkit Hunter
On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 21:21, Chris wrote: Found this little app in my Freshmeat daily newsletter. Seems to check much more than chkrootkit. That being the case, you or someone else should go to Mandrakeclub and propose this program as an rpm for packaging by the contributors in the rpm voting section. As far as I know, chkrootkit has no competition except for this applet. If this applet is better maybe it could replace chkrootkit. License: GNU General Public License (GPL) URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/rkhunter/ LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 23:34, JoeHill wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:05:41 -0700 aron Smith disseminated the following: Joe: Kinda makes you want to go out and buy a copy of Suse, doesn't it? Resist the urge. Tried SUSE didn't work near as good as mandrake Shite, it doesn't even come with DeCSS, so you can't play/rip DVD's. What a bunch of wankers. If I *was* going to switch it would definitely be to Debian or to a Debian-based distro like Libranet or Xandros, those that, like Mandrake, aim at pleasing the user, not some draconian and corrupt legislators who came up with the DMCA. I havent' really seen any huge advantage in Debian except in gathering together a group of self interested narcissistic users that think they're better than everyone else. That's when compared to Mandrake. My personal take on Linux is that you handle the installation problems first, make them as foolproof as possible, handle as much hardware as possible, then add the user gui interfaces for the less technically capable, and then after all that is said and done, the user still has the opportunity to become a more technical user if they like. The CLI and other deeper features of Linux will always be there for technical users who want to delve into deeper layers of sophistication. This propaganda that there are more technical versions of linux out there is a bunch of tripe. There are not any more technical versions available, only versions that are harder to use and require more expertise. The technical aspects of all Linux versions are essentially the same; it is only the ease of installation and hardware detection that is better or worse. I tend to think that other distros advertise themselves as technical just for the reason that they don't allocate the developer resources to the installation and hardware configuration challenges to the degree that Mandrake does. Mandrake just adds a layer, and it doesn't remove any layers. It's an elitist cop out. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 09:35, JoeHill wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:52:26 -0400 Lanman disseminated the following: You can argue with Lyvim's point of view, but only if you like being wrong. So, are you taking over Lyvim's arrogant side now? G I don't think anyone is arguing with his point of view anyhow, *he's* arguing against a point *that no one made*, at least in this thread. It's called an observation. By definition that cannot be called an argument; and as I already pointed out my response should have been taken as adjunct and not comparative. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 10:30, Lanman wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 09:03, Lanman wrote: Stephen Kühn wrote: They're a fiendish, murdering, pillaging lot, they are. Rape, murder and steal. Entire villages at that. Swindlers unlike no other. Ruffians and roughnecks; beating up old women for their pension money. Taking not only candy from babies, but embezzling Canadians out of their jelly donuts and bacon... -- stephen kuhn - proprietor Wait a sec! We've been getting hosed on our doughnuts and bacon? When did this happen? Why didn't someone send me a memo on this? GRRR! This is much more disastrous than anything else that Stephen has ever said before! lmao Where are these Debian people? I say that all Canadians should rise up in revolt and fight back! At least they didn't try to steal our toques! Then we'd have to get really pissed! Memo to all Canadians - Let's meet at Tim Horton's to plan a strategy. I'm buying! LOL! Can an American come to act as sternographer? :) LX You're always welcome here Lyvim. I'll even supply the pen and paper. Thanks my friend. :) LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 04:09, frankieh wrote: I think in some ways Debian has it all over Mandrake (and SUSE and REDHAT).. As an example, I can load Debian Woody on a machine, (woody is a couple of years old) And then use sources like backports.org to load the newest packages I need on that old linux. The result is an extremely stable platform that works exactly as you need it to, without having to upgrade the machine at least every year, or compiling stuff from scratch each time a new version comes out. Mandrake can't do that, because they make their money off selling memberships and the distro itself, so they need to create regular releases. Its sad, because I love the mandrake layout, but I've slowly been changing all the servers I am in charge of over to Debian from mandrake. That's the first good reason I've heard to use Debian. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Ya don't know ehat you got til its gone
On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 18:23, Marc wrote: I had ML 9.0 running dual boot with XP on a Mach speed mobo P4 2.5 ghz cpu and a 90 GB IBM hitachi HDD. All was well and good. I just went to wipe out the whole ML installation installation and replace it with ML 10.0.2 and it hangs on formatting HDE7. I tried a ML 10.0 CD and it uung at the same point again I next tried the same thing with ML 9.0 and all went well. Anyone have any idea what the problem could be. TIA Marc List your hardware, be descriptive, and put all that plus your problem in a bugzilla report. I don't know if you are running MDK10 or the newer rawer 10.1 community, but if you are trying to load MDK10 I wouldn't bother. Your time would be better served loading 10.1 community and submitting bug reports on installation problems BEFORE the release goes official. From what I understand, RC2 and RC3 steps have been skipped, and the RC1 release has been labeled the community release, which is the last release before official. So you don't have alot of time; none of us do really, to whip this last release into shape for our hardware. The place to enter bugs is here: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/enter_bug.cgi The link for stable versions is there also. Like I said tho I wouldn't waste any time with MDK10, you have alot more leverage right now with MDK Community. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 18:40, David E. Fox wrote: On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:26:47 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Win4Linux runs Win98 only, not XP. Crossover doesn't list other applications then the most common, such as Office. Derive is a very special beast. It might still. I don't think it's going to require a lot of extras, somehow. I mean it's not one of those shoot-em-up games that requires esoteric hardware. It might work in vmware too. But as there is no OSS or TI didn't (yet) port Derive, isn't there something that does run on Linux that is comparable? mupad, macsyma, and the like spring to mind. I'm not qualified (no maths degree) enough to really judge the capabilities and what Derive will do that OSS replacements wouldn't, however. (mupad I think is still OSS or free for personal use; macsyma is in contrib last time I looked. The command line version is lisp-based and clunky as hell, but the X11 version is a little more polished.) Kaj Haulrich. I think his daughter is required to have Derive. :( LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 13:17, JoeHill wrote: On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 10:56, Lanman wrote: JoeHill wrote: So, are you taking over Lyvim's arrogant side now? G I don't think anyone is arguing with his point of view anyhow, *he's* arguing against a point *that no one made*, at least in this thread. What it is with you Joe? Are you determined to piss somebody off today? Did you wake up and decide that this was a good day to annoy and insult someone again? Don't disguise your insult by making it sound like you're kidding. The G notation will only allow you to get away with things to a certain extent. I was simply agreeing with Lyvim, who's opinions I happen to respect. Virtually everything he says is right on target IMNSHO. And I wasn't replying to you in particular but was replying to the whole list. Why would you feel that you need to reply to my one comment and insult Lyvim at the same time, while assuming that Lyvim or I were arguing any points at all with anyone at all? He was merely offering his point of view. I was agreeing with him and with the fact that it would be difficult to refute his opinion. That's it. Move on. Get over it. You know, for an old fart you can be pretty grumpy sometimes. You're always trying to pick a fight with someone, and you seem to think it's appreciated. It's like having a house guest that tries to take over the household, only you try to do it with your opinions and when that fails you insult people. Here's a news flash for ya Joe. It's doesn't make you a better person when you put others down, it makes you less than them, BECAUSE you put them down. Perhaps you should forward a list to us outlining what things you'd like to defend, comment or argue about and we'll just avoid those items from now on, OK? It'll make life a lot simpler for all of us. Or maybe we can just start a new Joe mailing list instead of an Off-Topic list. Then anyone who wants to hear your insults and condescending assumptions would be able to go there to get their daily dose of Joe. While I'm at it, give us a break on the List Nazi stuff, OK? Netiquette is intended to be a guideline and most people will comply or will be told by others about what they should or shouldn't do on the list. More often than not, you seem to come across as rude or obnoxious about it, and that will send people off to other lists or distros. More and more, we're seeing newbies show up who have never even been on a list before, and aren't even aware that there are considerations to make when dealing with this list, but a suggestion to help them set up their emails client is always better than a link and a terse message. Work on those People Skills will ya? Give it a rest, Dude. Jeez! Who pissed in your Corn Flakes this morning? On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:56:46 -0400 Lanman disseminated the following: whack a whole bunch of typical Lanman bullshit ...aand once again: *plonk* Oh well, it was nice while it lasted, but bozos are bozos I guess. Only *you* had the power to crystallize the irony in that statement to the hardness of tungsten steel. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Ya don't know ehat you got til its gone
On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 21:50, Greg Meyer wrote: On Tuesday 14 September 2004 06:36 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 18:23, Marc wrote: I had ML 9.0 running dual boot with XP on a Mach speed mobo P4 2.5 ghz cpu and a 90 GB IBM hitachi HDD. All was well and good. I just went to wipe out the whole ML installation installation and replace it with ML 10.0.2 and it hangs on formatting HDE7. I tried a ML 10.0 CD and it uung at the same point again I next tried the same thing with ML 9.0 and all went well. Anyone have any idea what the problem could be. Try with one of the alternate installaiton kernels. Maybe the install kernel is having trouble with your chipset IDE controller and needs something more vanilla and safer. Hit F1 at the splash and specify one of the alternate kernels, I think they are listed. Which won't solve the underlying problem mdk10 has with his hardware and also won't get his hardware registered and working with the newer versions of MDK. TIA Marc List your hardware, be descriptive, and put all that plus your problem in a bugzilla report. I don't know if you are running MDK10 or the newer rawer 10.1 community, but if you are trying to load MDK10 I wouldn't bother. Your time would be better served loading 10.1 community and submitting bug reports on installation problems BEFORE the release goes official. From what I understand, RC2 and RC3 steps have been skipped, and the RC1 release has been labeled the community release, which is the last release before official. So you don't have alot of time; none of us do really, to whip this last release into shape for our hardware. The place to enter bugs is here: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/enter_bug.cgi The link for stable versions is there also. Like I said tho I wouldn't waste any time with MDK10, you have alot more leverage right now with MDK Community. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Put on your tinfoil hats...
On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 00:04, aron Smith wrote: No ...Power is the guiding word guess we'lll just have to start encrypting our mail Charles Edwards' gpg Standard Operating Procedure is looking better and better all the time. If they do manage to usurp the public will on this and institute those measures, which are completely unecessary in my opinion, I wouldn't have a problem encrypting everything, including list mail, just on principle alone. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Put on your tinfoil hats...
On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 00:16, JoeHill wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:04:57 -0700 aron Smith disseminated the following: No ...Power is the guiding word I know, I know, I'm just yankin' the ol' neocon chain ;-) guess we'lll just have to start encrypting our mail That's the problem: What this means is that IP protocols may have to be adjusted, and the future of encryption may also be in doubt. If I'm reading this correctly, adding this extra bit of overhead to TCP/IP will enable both legitimate authorities (due process and all that), *and* the not-so-legitimate the ability to get past things like encryption. No, if the mail is encrypted before it is sent, then the tcp/ip stack is transmitting encrypted data. Interception modality is then irrelevant. I believe the real goal here is not to intercept data necessarily, but rather to be able to more efficiently target sources. If they are having trouble finding spammers, then they are certainly having trouble with more pertinent things. That still is no reason to put such a system in place. Especially if the law is being bastardized in order to do it. The whole thing stinks. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 10:10, David T Battler wrote: Too Much Reading between The Lines With One Another's Thoughts, Motives, Actions is Bad For Your Health. You guys should all stick to Linux Discussions. I would enjoy that more, and learn something more worthwhile. Point taken. Now please don't send in html. Second of all your computer's date is off. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HHGTTG - Tertiary Phase
On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 06:33, Derek Jennings wrote: On Monday 13 September 2004 09:38, John Layt wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 02:13, Derek Jennings wrote: Marvellous new for all HitchHiker fans is the broadcast of a new radio series based on the last three books starting on 21st Sept http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/hitchhikers/ Now the question is. How can I record a real audio stream? RealPlayer 10 plays the preview stream OK, but I cannot persuade mplayer to play it. Preview stream is here http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/hitchhikers/media/hitchhikers_trail.ram derek Never used it, but there's a kde prog called realrekord which claims to do this. You can find it at the PLF. John. This would be perfect if it only worked :-( I have tried with RealPlayer 8 and 10, but it either just does not record, or else locks up. Thanks anyway. derek Have you taken my suggestion and tried sox yet? LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Format NTFS?
On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 15:38, Vincent Voois wrote: Eric Scott wrote: Anybody know of a program that will let me format a given partition as NTFS? Fat32 might do it, I don't know. I'm trying to deal with a faulty Windows installation, and as I'm sure you know, Windows' installer/rescue is the worst on earth. No joke. Anyway, it wants me to have a Windows 2000 compatable partition on hda for (I assume) it's bootloader process, even though I'm installing on hdb. Windows installer tells me to make a Win2k compatable partition on hda, but doesn't provide me with the resources to do so. (The diskdrake thingy in MDK control center doesn't create a valid FAT partition, which is why I need another) FAT16 and FAT32 are also Windows 2000 compatible partitions :P Try fdisk. Huh? Fdisk doesn't do format. The only thing he can do with fdisk is set the partition type to 7 which is NTFS. That's not the same thing as formatting. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Ghost in the machine?
On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 23:07, Angus Auld wrote: Greetings, I had something strange occur today as I was doing some downloading with Apollon on my Mandrake10 system. Suddenly my cd burner drive spun up for no reason. I didn't have a cd in the drive, and wasn't doing anything with the drive at all. My system seemed to be responding normally otherwise, so I rebooted, and things seem OK now. What could have caused the glitch? My cdrw crapping out on me? It's an LG GCE-8525B, and is only a few months old. Anyone ever note this sort of thing, or have any ideas on it? Many TIA's for your time. Regards. --Angus If supermount is in use, it will automatically scan every one of it's entries in /etc/fstab whenever you go into the /mnt directory. That includes when you do a dir of /mnt/floppy, /mnt/hd, or whatever. Whenever supermount does a scan of course it pulls a dir from every one of it's fstab entries. If you scan the /mnt dir with konqueror the same thing happens. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Format NTFS?
On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 14:18, John Richard Smith wrote: Eric Scott wrote: Anybody know of a program that will let me format a given partition as NTFS? Fat32 might do it, Put Windows OS on the first partition on hda. You do NOT have to have the Windows OS on the first partition on the hard drive. A linux extended partition can occupy the lions share of the drive(which would contain all the needed logical linux partitions) and then an hda2 primary partition can be on the last part of the drive, on the least most valuable real estate, thus putting linux on the best part of the drive. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Apache2
On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 16:12, Katinka Peter wrote: Hi, I`ve downloaded the latest Apache version httpd-2.0.50, but when I try installing it with ./configure, I get the foloowing message: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH [...] configure failed for srclib/apr. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Kathy __ Do you realize that you just hijacked a thread? Probably not, but I thought I'd bring it to your attention. :) LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HHGTTG - Tertiary Phase
On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 12:13, Derek Jennings wrote: Marvellous new for all HitchHiker fans is the broadcast of a new radio series based on the last three books starting on 21st Sept http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/hitchhikers/ Now the question is. How can I record a real audio stream? RealPlayer 10 plays the preview stream OK, but I cannot persuade mplayer to play it. Preview stream is here http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/hitchhikers/media/hitchhikers_trail.ram derek You can record with sox if your soundcard (AND IT'S DRIVERS) support full duplex. If your card doesn't support full duplex, then you can still get full duplex by downloading a better set of sound drivers than what's in the kernel. You can get them from opensound.com. Using the opensound drivers, I regularly record netbroadcasts using the record device provided by the opensound drivers, which in my case is set to be dsp7. Sox is told to use the hardware recording device [EMAIL PROTECTED] elx]# cat /dev/sndstat OSS/Linux 3.99.1f (C) 4Front Technologies 1996-2004 License serial number: N0X987GPP Drivers: MIX VORTEX INTELPCI This copy of OSS is licensed to L. Xaphir Build: 200408222004 Card config: Intel ICH AC97 audio controller at 0xd000 irq 21 MPU-401 (UART) at 0x330 irq 5 (Intel ICH AC97 audio controller) MPU-401 (UART) at 0x300 irq 7 OSS Virtual Mixer Pro (OSS Virtual Mixer Pro) Audio devices: 0: Nvidia nForce2 (DUPLEX) 1: Nvidia nForce2 (shadow) (DUPLEX) 2: Nvidia nForce2 (S/PDIF) (GRC3) 3: OSS Virtual Mixer v2.5 Playback CH #0 (GRC3) 4: OSS Virtual Mixer v2.5 Playback CH #1 (GRC3) 5: OSS Virtual Mixer v2.5 Playback CH #2 (GRC3) 6: OSS Virtual Mixer v2.5 Playback CH #3 (GRC3) 7: SoftOSS v2.0 Record CH #0 (GRC3) 8: SoftOSS v2.0 Record CH #1 (GRC3) 9: SoftOSS v2.0 Record CH #2 (GRC3) Synth devices: 0: OSS Virtual Synth v2.5 Midi devices: 0: MPU-401 (UART) 1: MPU-401 (UART) Mixers: 0: AC97 Mixer (ALC650) 1: Virtual Mixer That's the sound device layout. You can have as many record devices as you set the config files to give you, or you can have as many playback devices as you set your oss config files to give. The limit is your hardware. The sox command line for this configuration is: sox -V -c 2 -r 22050 -t ossdsp -w -s /dev/dsp7 gop_1083104.ogg Do man sox for a description of the options presented. -t ossdsp is actually supposed to designate a file type, because sox was originally designed to convert one kind of sound file into another kind. The conversion possibilities are endless; but in this case, the file type is designated to be the sound card hardware itself, which sox uses instead of a sound file. In this case, sox is recording directly to ogg format. It could just as easily record to any other file format. I just use ogg for netbroadcasts because it is twice the quality of mp3 in the same space. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Sound card not working
On Sat, 2004-09-11 at 00:13, Aldous Huxley wrote: When I first installed 10.0, the alsa driver worked, but sounded like shit...very distorted, like a cheap stereo system with the volume too high. I tinkered with settings (stupidly) without tracking what I was doing in order to undo if problems occured (which did). Um...I'd like to have sound back without having to reinstall everything...suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks. If you want the best quality sound drivers with the most features, I highly recommend you go to opensound.com and download the drivers for your sound card. OSS is superior to Alsa. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard Drive Question
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 17:45, BJ Tracy wrote: Hello All, Well I finally had to reboot my system because of something I did in the console and it froze up. On the reboot I was watching the screen and there was a bunch of hd errors so I went into Mandrake Mount Points and here is what I found. My desktop has three hard drives and I can see all three in Mount Points. When I loaded MDK 10.0 on my desktop I installed it on my new hard drive and have been up and running great. Here is what I have then I will ask for advice / help. My new hard drive has / swap and /home on it. the other two are just journalized ext 3 but not mounted ( I guess is the term). My question is: If I go into Mount Points and go to each hard drive and choose the partition size and define it what should they be ? /var another /home . just what I'm not sure. I have all this space and it's not showing up usable. Partitioning is one thing you must do yourself as far as I am concerned because everybody has different space requirements. One place you can start is by analyzing the space requirements of 9.2 MDK itself. On my system I have a pretty hefty installation, as far as number of total mdk packages installed. The RULE is for the /usr partition is to be at 40% or less usage AFTER you finish a brand new MDK install. Why? Because as your installation grows you want plenty of room for the upgrade/bugfix packages and more brand new packages. Through trial and error over the years I have found that 40% usage at installation time on the /usr partition pretty much covers all bases until the next upgrade. What is that size, you ask? Well I have a pretty loaded install and for me that means the /usr partition is 4.6 gigs total. The only other partitions you have to worry about as far as size goes are /var and /home. I don't do separate /var and /home partitions because the file lifetimes on those partitions are very similar (and I don't put a large number of separate hard drives in my box). One main criterion for separation of partitions is file lifetimes; the more files change, the higher the probability of filesystem failure or corruption. Therefore file groups with high rates of change are historically grouped on their own partitions, such as /tmp. For that reason I symlink /home to /var/home, and during partitioning the lion's share of the drive space is always allocated to /var. (var also has a habit of being extremely variable in size, which is another important reason to give it the lions share of the space along with /var/home. That way your logs will never cause the system to outstrip it's available space on /var. Another advantage of doing a /home-/var/home symlink setup.) The current 9.2 MDK partition size requirements as I have determined them are as follows: root = not more than 540 megs boot = exactly 43 megs(JFS and XFS filesystems require at least this much, which is overkill) tmp = not more than 1.2 gig (depending on if you use it for downloading or not. If you download stuff to other spots, 1.2G is more than enough) usr = not more than 4.6 gigs as long as your default install is at or below 40% usage of /usr. In other words at 40% usage my /usr is 1.7 gigs of program/other data. Your usage at the end of making your installation choices may be more; the only way to know is to install and look. I myself always do manual selections (on EVERYTHING) with no group selections except for kde workstation and documentation; and then use the floppy save feature of the package install step to save what I have selected. Then on the next install I just deselect all group selections, select individual selections, and then load the floppy save from the previous installation. This is a real fast way to pick your packages, but it does require that you go through a total individual selection install at least once. It also requires that you know what you like and use and what you don't like and don't use. Floppy-style package selection during installation just plain takes pre-preparation. That in turn requires a little time and experience with the distro, and ALOT of reading of the package descriptions at installation time. Also do I need a swap on all three drives? Short answer: NO, you technically do not need swap on all three drives. HOWEVER...*supposedly* if the kernel sees that you have multiple swap on several drives, then (according to the docs) it will stripe it's swap across those three drives. This means a three-fold swap performance increase, because you now have three drives doing the work of one. I personally don't depend on the kernel doing swap; I've got two identical drives raided together into raid-0 partitions, and I've soft-raided the swap partition myself at raid-0. That way I know for a fact that the swap is raided. The other way I can't see what the kernel is doing with swap for sure, but if I do swap with soft raid then I know exactly what
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 20:30, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:07:00 -0400 Carroll Grigsby disseminated the following: I thought they where a good serve as a cup-placemat. snip Using Win CDs for target practice is not good destroys the environment (the M$ crap not the target practice) ;-) What's wrong with the traditional practice of popping old CDs in the microwave? ...doesn't fulfill the ultimate purpose of popping off a few rounds from a great big gun, which is of course to compensate for below-average physical characteristics in certain areas ;-) So you've been running around examining or taking samples? It's about time you came out of the closet. It's all starting to make sense now. Now, a launcher that would fire old CD's at 1000 FPS and 300 rounds per minute would be a *gas*. If CD's have any metal in them, couldn't you even build like a CD railgun? Heh. Look out Bill, yer about to feel the pain you've inflicted on others oh these many years... If we extrapolate your original premise, then by your own logic your preference for a railgun means you are outgunned by the gun owners in the certain physical characteristics category. Tongue in cheek alert for the comically impaired. :) LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Okay, one more on SP2...
On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 20:23, JoeHill wrote: I promise, my last post on this subject, but this is just hilarious. Not only does SP2 *break* functionality, to varying degrees, on many XP machines, but it does absolutely nothing, according to this review, to improve security: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/02/winxpsp2_security_review/ Oh, this is just so sweet, to watch them twist in the wind :-) Tommorrow I've got a reinstall scheduled to fix a box that was hosed by SP2. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Dual HDD
On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 03:04, SnapafunFrank wrote: OK. You are teaching me something here but I haven't quite nailed it yet. Re partitions:] /dev/hda1 * 1 125 1004031 83 Linux /dev/hda2 126293722587390 85 Linux extended /dev/hda32938443412024652+ 83 Linux /dev/hda444354870 35021706 FAT16 /dev/hda5 126 250 1004031 83 Linux /dev/hda6 251149610008463+ 83 Linux /dev/hda714971559 506016 82 Linux swap /dev/hda81560280510008463+ 83 Linux /dev/hda928062937 1060258+ 83 Linux and: /dev/hdb1 * 1182714675346c W95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hdb218281829 16065 83 Linux /dev/hdb318302491 5317515f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hdb518301841 96358+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb618421853 96358+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb718542263 3293293+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb822642295 257008+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hdb922962491 1574338+ 83 Linux Now I'm lost with the non-FAT' statement. As you can see I have FAT on both HDDs so your reply suggested that I needed to configure things? No, that's not what he was saying. He was just saying that the drive letter C will ONLY be assigned to partitions that winblows stuff understands, and that happens to be restricted to winblows partitions and not non-dos or non-ntfs stuff. Technically you can have a fat anywhere you like. I personally would have done a type c which is Win95 FAT32 in LBA mode. Most of the time that's what win98 chooses for itself. The file system is a little faster and allows for larger partitions. I do recall that when attempting to update to Mandrake 10 that lilo thought that my FAT partitions were windows OS's but I didn't see this when I went ahead with a clean install. I have fought hard with this partition problem for some time and feel that I might be missing something real simple, so forgive me for persevering. Right now everything runs fine in this regard but the next time I go to update or try something different I can see me getting balder. What you probably ought to do is hang with what you have for a bit until you get sorted out and get all your ducks in a row, and then decide what you're layout is going to be based on what you know and what you need. What would be handy is if you could post your /etc/fstab so that I could see how you are mounting these partitions. There's a simple method to layout and then there are more unecessarily complex methods; it seems to me that what you are doing may be a little more complex than it needs to be. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [Blondes protection] Linux Pitfalls.
On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 06:55, Vincent Voois wrote: We've been talking about Linux security issues... i'm just wondering how many fool-traps are in there and how they can be recovered, i mention one: -bash-2.05b$ su Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# chmod +444 -R * If anybody can see what is going on... i just changed all file-permissions to read-only on all files from the root. I was fortunate enough to do it in one of the var subfolders so i could quickly restore the damage i had done. I found this neat script that offers you to backup a file-permission state of the path's you supply, but it's a disaster recovery method and not a prevention tool against typo's: Looks good. :) However this problem has happened before with many other here (ahem) and I think that MDK will partially fix this if you use msec. Last time I used msec, I think it had some drawbacks for this problem, such as it would not restore permissions for non-system-related stuff. Which would make your script superior for this kind of thing, so I will definitely save this script for a deeper later look. (i also made stupid typo's like chmod +spermbackup.sh, but this aside) lmao I'm wondering how many pitfalls there are that one should be very cautious for and if one do falls in, how it can be restored. The worst one I've ever done was what you did, but I did it worse because I was at /. (!) So I lost the perms for the entire filesystem. Fortunately I've never been at root and done anything like rm -rf. Knock on wood. :) LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Dual HDD
On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 04:42, SnapafunFrank wrote: Hmmm. First I had WinMe then using Mandrake9.1 I was able to repartiton the HDD for dual booting. Having got 9.1 settled I had to make a choice, dump WinMe and use the space for Linux storage or start again with another HDD. I still needed windows for autocad at the very least so went with another HDD. I used Mandrake 9.2 to install then partition some of the partitions you see on hda today, and I included a FAT partition for file sharing. NB here that I had simply relegated the windows HDD to slave without doing any configuring of anything. I had great problems when I tried to update to Mandrake 10 it never really took, so I back-up'ed and went for the clean install. This is not at all an unusual experience. Using the installation tools I further split up hda and though everything works fine my first confusion started with the number of partitions now available to me. My understanding was a max of 4 primary with one being further split to 4 logical, a total of 7 usable partition less one for swap. There are three types of partitions, primary, extended and logical. There are numerous filesystem subtypes but the three partition types always remain the same. The number of primary partitions slots is always four. An extended partition always takes up a primary partition slot. Since the number of primary partitions is greatly limited, and since Linux works perfectly with logical partitions(while needing more *total* partitions than dumber os's, which typically only need one), it's better to put mdk installs inside extended partitions on logicals and keep the primaries for your winblows stuff. You can have a maximum of 12 logical partitions inside any single extended partition before fdisk barfs. Linux does not need a primary partition, and I have seen linux primary partitions get hosed during winblows installs. On the other hand I have never seen a linux installation get hosed if all it's partitions were logical on a dual boot box. My table shows that, but it is frustrating when the tools mentioned earlier suggested I could have more. Now, when I tried to go the update route with Mandrake10, lilo showed me boot options for partitions that had no OS on them, ie the FAT partitions. Yet when I did a clean install I didn't strike this problem? That's not really a problem. Why would you think that it was? MDK doesn't scan for the OS files, it just types the partition and makes the assumption that it is bootable. I don't really see any use in MDK scanning for other operating system files beyond partition level boot related stuff; that's way outside it's venue AFAIAC. I am missing something here because all the info and help I see out there suggests that I should have seen the same problem even with a clean install. If this is what I think you are talking about then yes you would and no it's not really a problem, unless I don't understand what the problem really is. Just for clarification, what is it that you perceive as the problem? Anyway, here is a good layout example. I posted another contribution on this earlier in this thread, I helpfully suggest that you check it out. In the meantime for convenience, here is a one drive layout: [EMAIL PROTECTED] elx]# fdisk -l /dev/sda Disk /dev/sda: 160.2 GB, 160226334720 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19478 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 4462 35840983+ 85 Linux extended /dev/sda5 1 6 48132 83 Linux /dev/sda6 793698796 83 Linux /dev/sda794 160538146 82 Linux swap /dev/sda8 161 307 1180746 83 Linux /dev/sda9 308 902 4779306 83 Linux /dev/sda10 903 4462 28595668+ 83 Linux /dev/sda2 * 4463 7961 28113718+ 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda3 7962 19478 92510302+ c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) sda5 = boot sda6 = root sda7 = swap sda8 = tmp sda9 = usr sda10 = var Boot-root are special cases, don't take up much room, and therefore have a minimal impact on the prime real estate at the drive spindle; and boot speed is my main reason for putting them there, besides there being an old under-the-1024 cylinder OS boot rule that I still subconsiously respect for some reason. Swap is first in line to take advantage of spindle real estate; followed by /tmp. You definitely want swap to have the best seat in the house, with /tmp following a close second. Generally you want to put partitions that have the shortest file lifetimes closer to the spindle and partitions that have files with the longest file lifetimes out towards the edge of the platter. /usr has long file lifetimes and thus as you see above is an exception to the latter speed rule, but I put it
RE: [newbie] [Blondes protection] Linux Pitfalls.
On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 07:31, Tony S. Sykes wrote: I have, on a production server at work. With the unix guru sat on my shoulder and he let me su and then rm *. So evidently you were not held culpable. (??) LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Dual HDD
On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 14:26, JRH wrote: Hi all, Bit of a good one this! I have 2 HDD's in my machine, and I want to boot from both Drives. My main drive (/dev/hdc) is where LiLo is installed. On my main drive, I have: hdc1: Windows 98SE, hdc5: /root, hdc7: /usr, hdc8: /home. The second drive, contains Windows ME (dont ask!!), and DiskDrake sees it as /dev/hda, and LiLo sees it as hda1. In theory, all looks like it should work. But it dont! When I boot, I select Win ME in LiLo, then I get a boot failure message (something along the lines of invalid boot disk, please replace and hit any key to retry- looks like it's BIOS initiated.) Swop the drives over, and it will boot into ME fine, so the OS is intact etc. Any Ideas?? or am I just hoping for too much? :-( JRH First some basics: There is a current mythology running around these days that Winblows (be it me or xp or 98 or whatever) must have a partition at the beginning of the drive. This is patently false and I want to debunk this old wives tale right now, I'm tired of seeing it. Second, the prime real estate for any drive is at the beginning of the drive, not the end. If a Linux installation is put at the end then you are most likely depriving your MDK of some prime real estate. Third, most bioses these days allow you to choose which drive you boot from. The installation trick with me, XP, or whatever is to boot your MDK installation disk #1 into it's install routine, and get the installation program to the point where you see the partition layouts at the install screen. I know about the rescue disk option but I've done extensive work both ways, and it turns out that for low level maintenance, an install boot is handier than a rescue disk boot. An MDK install boot to the partitioning step makes a better rescue disk than the rescue disk. Once you see that screen, you do ctrl-alt-f2 and that puts you in a console screen, with all filesystem modules loaded that you need for that box. After you do that, use fdisk to set up all your partitons, including the Windows one. What I do is allocate an extended partition first, the size I want the linux install to be. It would look like this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] elx]# fdisk -l /dev/sda Disk /dev/sda: 160.2 GB, 160226334720 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19478 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 4462 35840983+ 85 Linux extended /dev/sda5 1 6 48132 83 Linux /dev/sda6 793698796 83 Linux /dev/sda794 160538146 82 Linux swap /dev/sda8 161 307 1180746 83 Linux /dev/sda9 308 902 4779306 83 Linux /dev/sda10 903 4462 28595668+ 83 Linux /dev/sda2 * 4463 7961 28113718+ 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda3 7962 19478 92510302+ c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) sda5 = boot sda6 = root sda7 = swap sda8 = tmp sda9 = usr sda10 = var Boot-root are special cases, don't take up much room, and therefore have a minimal impact on the prime real estate at the drive spindle; and boot speed is my main reason for putting them there, besides there being an old under-the-1024 cylinder OS boot rule that I still subconsiously respect for some reason. Swap is first in line to take advantage of spindle real estate; followed by /tmp. You definitely want swap to have the best seat in the house, with /tmp following a close second. Generally you want to put partitions that have the shortest file lifetimes closer to the spindle and partitions that have files with the longest file lifetimes out towards the edge of the platter. /usr has long file lifetimes and thus as you see above is an exception to the latter speed rule, but I put it where it is for reasons of program load speed. There's always an exception to the rule. ;) Note that I have given NTFS and Win98 primary partitions and I have put Linux inside a type 85. The reason for that is that Winblows is less likely to screw with the tables of a non-dos partition that it does not understand, and a type 85 has historically fallen within that category. Note also that I have put these partitions at the end of the drive; that is because they simply have the lowest priority. ;) Note also that there is no primary partition for Linux. This is simply because of symmetry and also because of the fact that Linux doesn't need one. MDK can operate completely within an extended partition shell with no problem and it is preferable to do it this way for many reasons. Retain your primary partition entries (which are very limited in number) for dumber stupider OS's like XP, ME, or 98se. Now the trick. After partitioning layout is done you start your winblows installation; do not install MDK. You tell your bios to boot from the winblows drive after you have done all your partitioning setup with
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Dual HDD
On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 04:29, Asa Rossoff wrote: Vincent Voois wrote: Asa Rossoff wrote: snip Second, Windows boots from the first boot-device, but it can be configured to have it's OS on another drive by altering the MSDOS.INI and in case of WinNT 4.x, 5.x you can alter the BOOT.INI to set the drive and startup-path where the os is stored. If your bootmanager on the primary IDE drive allows you to boot from the second drive, you can install all of the Windows data on there but in the win9x/ME cases you for sure have to modify the system settings to make it boot properly. I didn't realize Win98 and Me had a similar boot config file to NT/XP. It looks like it's actually msdos.sys on Win98 at least, rather than msdos.ini. Since he is running both 98 and Me, on seperate drives and partitions, and using Lilo to select them (currently), in theory he could just edit the msdos.ini (or msdos.sys) file on his WinMe partition (second drive) to indicate that the OS is on drive D: -- it might work. BUT, he would have to reinstall WinMe while the drive is recognized as D: (if the WinMe installer allows it) or do some major registry, shortcut and config file hacking. IMHO:Ditch WinME, it's really not worth the trouble, either install '98SE or XP, but Win'98 is currently less vulnerable to virusses these days as most viruses dedicates themselves to NT5.x exploites (XP/2000/2003). Asa I'm not at all sure you guys have a good understanding of what msdos.sys does. Msdos.sys doesn't have jack to do with the boot process; that is set at windows installation time. The only thing that msdos.sys does is set the path for windows; it merely tells windows where to look for it's binaries (dll exe etc). The true motherload of drive relevant information resides in the registry. Msdos.sys merely sets environment variables; that's all. Another thing to realize is that at it's core, msdos.sys is truly a dos artifact and NOT a windows artifact. Dos loads first and then winblows gets loaded by the dos environment, depending on what dos tells it to do by virtue of the parameters in msdos.sys. Also, msdos.sys was not always a text file. In Dos version 6.22 it was binary and was actually part of three components of the operating system. (I include the command interpreter in that number.) Subsequently in dos 7.00 it was kept for some wierd compatibility reasons, but changed to a parameter text file. Dos 7.10 kept that convention. Barring reinstallation it is very problematic to mess around with the msdos.sys file path line. You still have a bazillion inf and registry entries to deal with if there is a drive change. Much better to reinstall. Having said that there's alot of stuff you can do with msdos.sys. For instance: -- [Paths] WinDir=C:\USR\98R2 WinBootDir=C:\USR\98R2 HostWinBootDrv=C [Options] AutoScan=0 BootDelay=0 BootWarn=0 BootGUI=0 BootKeys=1 BootMenu=1 BootMenuDelay=2 BootMulti=1 DoubleBuffer=0 DblSpace=1 DrvSpace=0 LoadTop=0 Logo=0 ; ;The following lines are required for compatibility with other programs. ;Do not remove them (MSDOS.SYS needs to be 1024 bytes). ;xa ;xb ;xc ;xd ;xe ;xf ;xg ;xh ;xi ;xj ;xk ;xl ;xm ;xn ;xo ;xp ;xq ;xr ;xs DisableLog=0 WinVer=4.10. -- Why the funky nonstandard path? Once upon an age ago I was experimenting with wine and 98se under Linux. But in any case, as some examples, looking above you can see where you can keep the logo from being displayed or you can have the system boot you directly into dos and then
Re: [newbie] File System Problem
On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 11:01, David Johnson wrote: Hi all, We had a power failure the other day and now my ML10.0 system barfs out messages every so often to the main screen (presumably when it does an FS check) that look like the following: INFO : [2004-08-31T06:33:15-0700] msg=,Check failed., path=/etc/ioctl.save I presume that this is due to file system errors caused by the power failure and the system not shutting down properly, but how can I fix the problem? I have tried running fsck and forcing it, but I'm still getting the problem. Can anyone offer a different solution? TIA You havent told us wether you are running a journaling file system or for that matter even what kind of file system you have. The first thing I would do were I you would be to get your data backed up to another drive. I'd do this before attempting any more fixes. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] System locks up every 10days
On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 21:25, Chris wrote: This an odd question and there may not be a valid answer, but here goes. About every 10days the system locks up for seemingly unrelated reasons. For instance, last time it happened it locked up while one of the X-Screensavers was running. I noted which one was on the screen at the time and disabled it. I've since only enabled two of the screensavers, Nose Guy and Phosper. Last night I installed FSV just to see how it looked, install went fine and it ran great, tonight I brought it up, went to open a directory and the system locked up tighter than a drum, uptime was at about 10days, 20+ hrs. Last time the lockup came at about the same amount of uptime. This is with MDK 9.0. Althought I've gone 30+ days previously before I had to hit the reset due to a lockup and if I remember that was due to a game that the system just didn't like. Any ideas on what could be the problem? Install lm-sensors and start monitoring your motherboard and cpu temperatures to eliminate that as a possibility. Sometimes a system fan will get clogged with dust and the cpu temp will climb to borderline levels; this is especially true with AMD cpus, which are notorious for maintaining deceptively respectable behavior right up until they flake out. I have also seen AMD's that are overclocked pass Prime95 tests perfectly, but still lock up after a few days. This probably isn't your case but high case or cpu temperatures can cause the same thing to happen. I would say that you could have a program running that has a memory leak, but it sounds like you've reinstalled and had the same symptoms across multiple installs. This would pretty much eliminate the memory leak possibility. If you want to try to narrow it down to hardware a little better, what you can do is run the box at runlevel 3 for 11+ days and see if it locks up without a gui running. That would give is a little more information. It also wouldn't hurt for you to download the sysrescuecd and run some hardware checks and a test of the memory: http://www.sysresccd.org/download.en.php Regardless of how you feel about your hardware or your confidence level you should still follow troubleshooting procedure and eliminate memory and cpu as possibilities. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Question about Linux partition
On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 20:40, Paul Smith wrote: Hoyt Bailey wrote: I have 12GB of my hard disk assigned to Mandrake. However, the command df -h produces the following: FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part6 4,5G 1,7G 2,6G 40% / /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 7,8G 5,9G 2,0G 76% /mnt/windows Should it not appear 12G instead of 4,5G? Also, there may be a partition that isn't being mounted...forgot to mention that mate... There is no swap part listed and the total adds up to 12.3 GB + swap. How big is the drive? Hoyt, As Stephen correctly guessed, what was missing was not mounted. Paul If you ever want verification of how a drive is partitioned, just do fdisk -l /dev/hd? At a root shell. It will just dump the partition layout to the shell. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Existential Linux Question
On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 19:51, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Monday 30 August 2004 00:35, Richard Urwin wrote: Sorry if I jumped down your throat. I'm following this SCO et al debacle fairly closely, and you hit a trigger phrase. (as you know, Ken Brown, [probably bank-rolled by MS,] has accused Linus of copying MINIX when creating Linux. That would be an unlicensed use of MINIX and if it were true would call into question the legality of Linux.) Linus wrote wrote the first version of his code on Minix, yes. Does that mean, that if someone writes a love-letter using Microsoft Word that Bill and Steve have a date ? Does Remington own James Joyce's Ulysses because it was typed on a Remington typewriter ? Does Gutenberg own the Bible ? Does the goose own the works of Shakespeare because it was written with a feather ? And so on. Professor Tanenbaum - who wrote Minix - explicitely declared, that there is NO Minix-code in Linux. Period. Not only that Kaj but if memory serves me correctly I believe Tanenbaum explicitly gave Linus permission to use the code anyway. I came across a set of those emails when I was researching the legality issues surrounding the pwx.o hooks for phillips webcam. LX Kaj Haulrich. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 05:58, Amy wrote: Hey everyone! Anyhow, thanks for all the help you've given me thus far, and thanks in advance for putting up with me as I start off on this adventure of bringing my technologically inept father out of the evil embrace of windows. ^_^ Amy Very good. We stand ready to help! LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 07:28, Lanman wrote: Now for my 2 cents,... Folks, if you think SP2 is gonna sway a lot of Microsoft users over to Linux, just wait until Microsoft releases LongHorn! There's gonna be a huge groundswell of people switching to linux when that happens! Lanman Yah well the truth is that Micro$haft has been giving users the LongHorn right from the start wouldn't you say LM. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 17:35, charlie wrote: Something strange happened to me this morning as I was downloading mail into Kmail. I deleted one of Lanman's mails and the Kmail desktop locked up solid, my CPU usage went into the 100% and stayed there. But nothing was happening in Kmail that I could see. So went into a terminal, and top showed that Kmail was gobbling up 98% of my CPU muscle. Killed the pid and all is back to as it should be. Is Kmail going flaky or are Lanman's mail becoming sacred or precious? Charlie. LOL! LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 03:25, frankieh wrote: Ok, well I'll just have to settle for blaming you for everything that is wrong in Australia. Your a yank, so you should be used to that sort of thing. :-) Nice. I like that. g LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 02:59, frankieh wrote: First off, let me say that not everything MS does is bad. Windows does do some stuff well, usually with regards to usability. (before anyone calls me an MS shill, check the list of my stories on: http://htmlfixit.com/article_index.php ) I slag MS off on a regular basis, for all manner of reasons. What does slag off mean? I get the general idea but what specifically. I'm curious because a brit friend of mine was fond of saying that at choice times. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
--- Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Dale... Right now I've re-installed this XP crap on her box. I did it with the ethernet cable unplugged. that seemed to cause some issues, but we'll see. I have downloaded most of all those AV/firewall/spykillers from my linux box and burned them to CD. After that, I intend to follow your (and others) advice exactly. And, I've no intention of getting this SP2. Good heavens : and Windows should be user-friendly ??? - Wonder how my old aunt and Joe Sixpack use this OS. Thanks again Kaj Haulrich. Kaj, isn't it amazing how much easier it is to install MDK than it is to install XP? :) LX __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
--- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you purchased this box with XP on it and they didn't give you XP installation discs then they usually supply backup file somewhere on the HD in a spare partition.If so it might well be worthwhile reinstalling from that. they are usually some drive image type of backup file and don't take very long to reinstall a brand new pristine condition OS as originally supplied. That's the best way to get rid of virus problems, provided that they have not spread to bios and partition tables, in which case it's a different ball game. John On partition installation files are not reliable on M$ boxes because of the spread of cab archive infections. LX ___ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
--- JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 05:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Lyvim Xaphir disseminated the following: Good heavens : and Windows should be user-friendly ??? - Wonder how my old aunt and Joe Sixpack use this OS. Thanks again Kaj Haulrich. Kaj, isn't it amazing how much easier it is to install MDK than it is to install XP? :) ...and then connect it to a LAN! I've now seen two machines that, with SP2 or the equivalent updates installed, will *not* find its workgroup. Got a proper IP, can ping everything, but no access to shares on the network. The 'Network Wizard' just makes things worse... And now, no Netbeui, of course, not that it should even be necessary. Oh well, I'm off to deposit my cheque for the time I spent with clients dealing with this crap! LOL! -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org Rock on, Joe. :) LX __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
--- Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Lyvim and John... maybe I screwed things up again : When doing the re-install, I used the built-in function from HP to create the restore CDs. Could that mean I transferred all the Trojans, Worms, Viruses and Spyware to the restore disks ? Anyway, right now I've scanned the HD for viruses, and no one seems to have survived, but nevertheless, each time I've cleaned the drive with XoftSpy, Adaware and Spybot, they tell me that various numbers of malware have been quarantained and will be deleted at next reboot. Only to the effect, that next time I reboot and run the tools, I've got another s%#t-load of worms, etc... etc... I'm very tempted to give up. Not in my wildest imagination could I come up with an OS this horrible ! My daughter feels sorry for me : for my birthday present I wanted a new toilet bag, so she gave me one. You can admire it here : http://haulrich.net/Family/toiletbag.jpg She's a real cutie. Kaj Haulrich. -- Kaj, Are you actually getting new worms on reboot? Or are you just seeing spyware entries in the registry, or other true spyware entities? If you scan the restore CD's and they are virus free across several virus checkers including ClamAV, then you are probably OK with regard to virus/trojans. If on the other hand you are seeing worms after a clean and a reboot then something is badly wrong. This is all assuming that you have reinstalled. ? So did you reinstall from the restore cd's or are you still working with the original mess? The most desirable situation is to format the NTFS partition, install fresh from a factory CD and then put sp1a in place. It's always possible to get an XP cd ISO from a bud and then use your XP license number that came with your machine for branding the software. That wouldn't cost you anything. If you haven't installed from the restore CD's yet, it would be instructional to do a fresh installation using those and then do a massive scan while taking notes. Spyware on a new installation is normal for any Windows version. Worms and trojans on a new installation is not. LX __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Emails are being sent with my username but I didn't send them :(
--- JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 02:33:58 +0200 Kaj Haulrich disseminated the following: Bofore doing any further USA-bashing, I'd like you to consider : I did not intend any 'bashing', as I said, I only meant to point out that this phenomena is present and growing (at varying degrees) in most of the Western world. I don't think you can ascribe it to socialism, conservatism, or whatever philosophy, which Hoyt seemed to be doing. If Hoyt was ascribing negative retrograde constitutional evolution to socialism in regards to erosion of rights then he is correct. Can the police search your home at will ? Yep. The police in my country can detain me at will without charge, for any reason they see as a 'National Security Issue'. Nice, huh? And guess where we got that idea? Yep. From the good ol' US of A, which with the Patriot Act in effect, grants police there the same 'privleges'. And our government calls themselves 'The Liberal Party'. LOL! Sorry, but you did NOT get that idea from the US. You are greatly misinformed on the Patriot Act and it comes from the same socialist propaganda that fed you other nonfacts. The police cannot search a house without a warrant under the Patriot Act (and thus without a judge issuing a warrant) in the United States. We have something called the Bill of Rights, which by the way the socialists in the Democratic Party have been seeking to erode. NOT the Republicans. The fact is that since you have a Socialist government and since they are responsible for the types of searches and seizures you suffer by your authorities, it only stands to reason that your Socialist government is the one responsible for it and not the Republicans. The Republicans have no power either in your government or the ABC communist broadcast networks. To point to conservatives in another country and blame them for the decisions of a Socialist government is patently, well, not smart. Can your government read your harddisk ? Oh probably, but then probably so can most governments, if they have the will. And there's just as many 'Conservative' governments as 'Socialist' among those that do. Right wing, left wing, they're all just as bad. Not really, that's more propaganda and is also along the same lines of thinking as moral equivalence, which is a supremely evil mode of thought. The fact is that it takes a warrant to search a hard drive and again that takes a judge to issue one. In the US, anyway. At the risk of being classed as another Greg Meyer, I would suggest this thread should be moved to the MandrakeOT list where it can be more thoroughly explored. LX __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
--- frankieh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hoyt Bailey wrote: downloading the database that was when I got all kinds of infection once the database was installed it was AOK. They do have on their website removers for most infections, IIRC you have to be a paid up member to get them ($15 or so). Numerous tests have shown that Nortons is one of the slower scanners with a high CPU and memory footprint. It isn't any more effective then any of the others, and its usually more expensive. Right on, Franki. Same experience here. In fact I've used ClamAV to clean up boxes that hsd been treated to Symantec. In nearly every case I've found viruses/trojans that Symantec left behind. I look after allot of windows clients, While subtlely suggesting Linux solutions, I bet. ;) and I've managed to keep them all virus free, and didn't use Nortons on any of them. (though I might if I want to convince them to upgrade their PC's.) You devil. ;) -- rgds Franki LX __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP
--- Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list... I am sorry for bothering you with this, but knowing that some of you have Windows on your box, I rely on your forgiveness : A week ago I had to buy a new PC for one of my daughters (14 years old). She absolutely needed Windows in order to run some special, school-related apps. The PC came with WinXP pre-installed. The first thing I did was to install Mozilla, OpenOffice and some sort of firewall, called ZoneAlarm. Now, I thought it was safe Hi, Kaj. Good to hear from you. The thing is that if you applied XP update patches online *before* you installed Zonealarm, that is not good. Because of the weaknesses in XP it is possible for XP to get infected just by sitting on the network. M$ messenger has a security hole that allows trojans to get in unless it is updated or killed. Zonealarm is the best as far as I am concerned, I think you made a good decision there. Suddenly, when she tries to send an e-mail (from within Mozilla, of course, I'm not THAT stupid), up pops a message from our ISP saying that the box is compromized, accordingly the smtp-server won't accept the mail. In fact, her IP was blacklisted. Some on-line security scans, revealed no less than 159 trojans, worms and viruses ! This seems like an unholy lot IF you didn't perform online updates. If you did then maybe not. What I'm thinking is that it's possible it might have arrived with the infestation. Depends on how much work you did online before you installed the firewall. Usually infestations occur when the user installs XP while online and/or peforms online service updates. (NOT a good idea) However your machine came with XP preinstalled, so After heavy googling around, I purchased a spyware/trojan scanner called XoftSpy, which cleaned most of the shit. But nevertheless, a spyware trojan keeps coming in (SAHAgent). No matter what I do. (The bugger doesn't show up in ControlPanel -- Remove software). I had a friend yesterday purchase one of these before I could stop him. There is a spyware scanner called Ad-aware that is free and will do an excellent job of cleaning your box -- http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/ Well, I know next to nothing about Windows, but before I subscribe to a windows-list (which I would hate, really), I would like to ask if you can recommend : 1. A good, reliable firewall for Windows (preferably OSS and free) ? Zonealarm is good 2. A spyware/trojan/worm cleaner capable of removing all malware ? Ad-aware has won numerous awards and doesn't cost you a dime for the standard version. I think it's the best 3. Shutting down the whole kaboodle and wait for SP2 ? When you do updates, the only thing I can recommend is what I do for customers. Generally I download the network version of sp1a service pack so that the XP box does not do any updating over the web. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp1/network.mspx After that, don't do any more updating. SP2 will hose your box. I did try a suggestion by Bryan Phinney that is out there on the web for free called Autopatcher, but so far I haven't been able to get an Autopatcher installation in place that's not hosed. That may be because of the particular release of XP I happen to have, I don't know. I look forward to when either I or they can get it working because Autopatcher is a good idea. Anyways, my personal advice is to use the standard sp1a service pack and then stop right there. You should also go to sourceforge and download the virus scanner darling of the Linux world -- http://sourceforge.net/projects/clamwin/ ClamAV. IMO this scanner is better than Symantec's scanner, without the bloat. It's lightweight, fast, does one thing and does it well; exactly what a virus scanner should be. Linux Journal just gave it an Editor's Choice award. Don't be confused, this is a native Linux project that's been cross-compiled for the win32 world. So yes you will see a larger Linux project entry for ClamAV on Sourceforge. Look forward to hearing how it goes -- take care LX __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 02:07, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:55:46 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir wrote: You remind me of a 44 magnum revolver with two chambers loaded hollow point. You spin the cylinder and pull the trigger. You either hear a click or you blow a hole in the target a foot wide. And that shows only 1 of my E desktops whereas there are in fact 4 which I use. Charles P.S. Yes I use Xfce on 10.0 but I use E. on this my main system; and yes it is Cooker. Xfce is for the discriminating user but E is for the connoisseur. AhhhTruer words were never spoken. I take note that you and I use the same WM theme which is Hand of God. Try as I might I have never encountered another theme that equals this one. I've toyed around with the idea of starting a Hand of God mailing list, if nothing else to honor Craigo and Technoir. But perhaps also to bring together fans of The Theme. And E, of course. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - OT
On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 15:44, PM wrote: Could someone please remind me of the OT list address? I'm suffering badly from abuse withdrawal. LOL! Funny, Paul. :) http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 00:33, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:14:15 -0400 JoeHill wrote: Only 3 I can see, and I can't see my name mentioned, for better or worse There may be only 3 but for those who are as familiar with your disposition and demeanor as I, there is no doubt as to the aspect which is the representation of you. If it was clutching sheep it Could be Stephen but as it is not it by elimination could only be a true-to-life pictorial of you of you. Charles Good grief Charles.. You piqued my curiosity so I went to look. I saw the three. WOW...what a powerful message you transmitted. You remind me of a 44 magnum revolver with two chambers loaded hollow point. You spin the cylinder and pull the trigger. You either hear a click or you blow a hole in the target a foot wide. Gotta watch out for those quiet ones.. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 04:08, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 14:50, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: You mean like sendmail? ;) Cheap potshot; can't help it mate. Just cuz I'm familiar with it and I feel it does what I WANT it to do quite quickly...NYAH! I did put a winkie in after all. g My subliminal point was however that you could potentially place sendmail in a class with M$ in the regard that it will always need fixing and therefore you guarantee residuals. LX -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 23:36, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:13:52 +1000 Stephen Kühn disseminated the following: More on the complete stupidity of SP2 for XP: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117380,00.asp ...and yeah, Stephen, it's this kind of crap what pays them bills, eh? As usual, Microsoft puts out a product that is already broken. And I'm sure a slew of patches are in the making as we speak. I'm still surprised that a vast majority of the public even bothers with Microsoft products and it´s high maintenance scheme - then again, I shouldn't whinge about it because I do need the money. This is my fav part: Microsoft admits that, in some cases, malicious code could indeed switch the firewall off. However, this isn't so much a flaw as a limitation on the role firewalls should play in a company's security system, according to Microsoft. What??!! If malicious code makes it past the firewall, it is the role of anti-virus software to protect the machine, Overton adds. Likewise, it is not the firewall's place to stop malicious code from sending outbound packets--... So what the fsck is it good for??!! LOL! Nice way to pass the buck *and* pay lip service to security at the same time! BTW, just had a client that had Norton 2004, fully updated, found no viruses. AVG? Found *nine* of them. So, keep it up MS and Norton! I made 700 bucks this week! I had a very similar experience very recently. Some virii bypassed Symantec's NAV scans entirely and were stopped by an open sourced scanner I was using. Quite frankly the latrine level drivel that M$ continues to vomit forth is repelling. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 00:23, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 14:00, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: So, keep it up MS and Norton! I made 700 bucks this week! I had a very similar experience very recently. Some virii bypassed Symantec's NAV scans entirely and were stopped by an open sourced scanner I was using. Quite frankly the latrine level drivel that M$ continues to vomit forth is repelling. LX BUT, mind you, it DOES make some of us money, and since M$ refuses to create a product that actually works properly, those of us in the support biz can be rest assured that we have income. You mean like sendmail? ;) Yes, you are right. I guess it's ok to punish the pocketbooks of the ignorant until they become educated. I'm not being facetious either. And as long as it ain't installed on MY computer, I don't care. If I can't run it in a VMware isolated environment, then I don't want it. -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ Agreed. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 01:45, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:26:54 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Go easy, Charles; this is the newbie list and we don't know anything about him. I meant no offence to him personally only to his usage of applications. Were there no linux MUA which I believed to be either equivalent, not to mention superior, to OE my mouth would have remained securely silent. As to being a Newbie, on this my main system I run cooker and in aspect in Some relations I equate my knowledge to that level But in others for which I have little usage I Am myself still a newbie and will always be. I understand, I just got off the phone with a relative whom I told that IE was a very poor choice for a browser client. I just hang around so that I can occasionally help and encourage the newbies that come on the list. Lots of times the newbies are exploring Linux as an alternative and are wholly unaware that they are probably compromised by their use of XP and are themselves virus spreading agents because of it. Sometimes, like Tomas, their english is weak and they have trouble enunciating what they mean; plus sometimes they are unaware of the total angst that we Linux users have for Micro$haft or even the reasons why. Take care, LX LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] modem problems - speak slowly please
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 09:34, Julie Sloan wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: http://pricewatch.com and search for external 56k modem and you will find a list of places that are currently selling a cendyne external serial modem for around $17 US. Granted, that is not a top of the line modem, but it uses an equivalent chipset to a Zoom external serial modem version that costs about $60. If you currently have a winmodem (crapmodem) and have always wanted to have a real honest to goodness external serial modem but are financially challenged, you might want to consider it. Eeee - what about those of us that are financially challenged AND are operating on only a checkbook (not a charge card)? I'm *still* waiting for a linux book I ordered from Amazon - which should arrive on July 19th. Wonder did they mean 2005? (sorry - veered way OT) J Believe methis is *not* OT yet. ;) LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 01:08, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:09:48 +0100 Tomas Tudja wrote: BTW I am using winxp2k2, because I like it : Since I am in the mood and no one else has stated it if you are so enamored of xp2k2 what the fuck are you doing on a MandrakeLINUX list. If your communication of choice relies on XP the falsify of your connection belies the insecurities unleashed and condoned simply by the means with which you choose to facilitate that connection. Go easy, Charles; this is the newbie list and we don't know anything about him. Charles LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] After running chkrootkit
On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 14:59, Trevor Rhodes wrote: Hello Oh Great Guru Types, What the hell should I be doing now? Checking `lkm'... You have48 process hidden for readdir command You have48 process hidden for ps command Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed Back up your data and reinstall. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] After running chkrootkit
On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 15:14, Charlie Mahan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On August 3, 2004 12:59:12, Trevor Rhodes wrote: Hello Oh Great Guru Types, What the hell should I be doing now? Checking `lkm'... You have48 process hidden for readdir command You have48 process hidden for ps command Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed Regards Trevor Rhodes I'd probably start by reading this thread: http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/securityfocus/focus-linux/2003-02/0034.html It's specific to that Trojan. To answer the next obvious question from the lurkers (this is the only freebie you get! grin) What's a rootkit read this: http://www.linuxsecurity.com/docs/Hack-FAQ/unix/rootkit.shtml I was rooted a couple weeks back, but since I was preparing to do a fresh install (the day it was first logged) it wasn't a big deal. I just formatted the drive and started over. The best part was the duplicate drive (USB) was clean so I didn't lose anything. If I was relatively a newbie and I had an alert from chkrootkit like that I would waste no time backing up and reinstalling. Good luck, you may need it. Charlie How did they manage to break into your box? I've never had that happen so I'm very curious as to what avenue they pursued. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
