Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-packaging] Should we evaluate Zimbra ? - a next-gen Mail Server
I think besides Zimbra and Kolab there is: Courier that is both email-server/email-client/HTTP server for emails. http://www.courier-mta.org/intro.html I see no screenshots of it. -- -Alexey Eremenko Technologov - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] 3M's src TWDrv.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, (No answer for the call for GPL and getting the driver in the official kernel...yet...) But as it is very dangerous, and also very difficullt, to use a mouse in a car..(while driving), i tried to build the suggested driver for 'specific' kernel.. Helas, it did not build. So i wrote to 3M about it: [snip] + rm -rf /var/tmp/TWDrv-5.64-root + KVER=2.6.18.8-0.3-default + export KVER + cd TwDrvKit + make clean + make make -C /lib/modules/2.6.18.8-0.3-default/build SUBDIRS=/usr/src/packages/BUILD/TWDrv-5.64/TwDrvKit modules make[2]: *** Er is geen regel om doel 'modules' te maken. Gestopt. make[1]: *** [default] Fout 2 make: *** [makeit] Fout 2 error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.81539 (%build) RPM build errors: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.81539 (%build) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/packages/SPECS cd '/usr/src/packages/SPECS' [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/packages/SPECS is there something i can do about it? Despite the fact that it is not a GPL-licenced driver, i still need it, because it is very dangerous, and difficult, to use a mouse in a car. tia, for the trouble and attention needed to answer my question. Possible reason, according to an associate from 3M, jgmciver: Good Afternoon: I think the kernel that you are using made devfs obsolete in favor of using udev. Our driver compiles with devfs, but I have attached a document with some suggested changes to get around this probelm Thank you, Technical Support 3M Touch Systems, Methuen 978-659-9200 Helas, the document attached, did not contain a solution for this problem.. The Kernel indeed uses udev, if i recall correct.. But if so, is there something to be done about it, to get the driver built? Or, as TWDrv, is indeed a proprietary driver, this can only be fixed by its maintainer?. (i would realy hate it, to have to go back M$, to have a working touchscreen..:-( (In my reply I asked for the reason not to want a GPL for the driver, and told him about the miljons of people all over the world, that would be happy, if they could use a touchscreen under linux, which would be possible, when the driver would be in the official kernel... ) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.8-03-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 release 45.4 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGRZx0X5/X5X6LpDgRArJHAKCOFXRniSFOF8dUTzi2u7Nad/CbMwCdGPY9 vv3qL4/wmKTIHz3AYxINmoA= =N1vz -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-packaging] Should we evaluate Zimbra ? - a next-gen Mail Server
Op Saturday 12 May 2007 11:41:28 schreef Alexey Eremenko: I think besides Zimbra and Kolab there is: Courier that is both email-server/email-client/HTTP server for emails. And?? Courier on its own does not provide a groupware solution, that is what zimbra and kolab do. If you like, it would be possible to swap cyrus for courier in the kolab solution. -- Richard Bos We are borrowing the world of our children, It is not inherited from our parents. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Add to wishlist (SSH)
On Sat, 2007-05-12 at 16:32 +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: On Sat 12 May 2007 16:02:42 NZST +1200, Ciro Iriarte wrote: Isn't that just for commandline?, it would be nice to have an applet in KDE to add/delete the keys snip Hi list, Some time ago, i came across a very nice tutorial (some hundred pages) how to build your own yast(2) applets, and the the main example that the SuSE-engineer was using, was the management of SSH !! AFAIR, from FOSDEM-2006, the intention was to include it into the mainstream distro, but i guess other projects have a higher priority! I keep the printed tutorial at work ;(. So i can't give you the exact URL but perhaps might another kind soul give you the exact location. HW -- pgp-id: 926EBB12 pgp-fingerprint: BE97 1CBF FAC4 236C 4A73 F76E EDFC D032 926E BB12 Registered linux user: 75761 (http://counter.li.org) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Add to wishlist (SSH)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hans Witvliet wrote: [...] Some time ago, i came across a very nice tutorial (some hundred pages) how to build your own yast(2) applets, and the the main example that the SuSE-engineer was using, was the management of SSH !! AFAIR, from FOSDEM-2006, the intention was to include it into the mainstream distro, but i guess other projects have a higher priority! I keep the printed tutorial at work ;(. So i can't give you the exact URL but perhaps might another kind soul give you the exact location. Indeed, Stefan Hundhammer gave a session about writing YaST2 modules at FOSDEM 2006. Slides/videos: http://en.opensuse.org/FOSDEM2006 http://www.suse.de/~sh/fosdem-2006/ycp-tutorial/ Small video (Ogg/Theora): http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/FOSDEM/2006/FOSDEM2006-openSUSE-10-Writing_YaST_Modules-2006-02-26-video_small.ogg Large video (Ogg/Theora, high quality): http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/FOSDEM/2006/FOSDEM2006-openSUSE-10-Writing_YaST_Modules-2006-02-26-video_full.ogg As a side note, slides and videos from the openSUSE developer room at FOSDEM 2007 are linked directly on the fosdem.org site: http://fosdem.org/2007/schedule/devroom/opensuse cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGRbvpr3NMWliFcXcRAsetAKCj1eVLRgsGtQxj5eskX9pHaffcRwCgvRIu H119Je33P6jO8Ws58KiWo8w= =9SO0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Meeting Minutes Dist Meeting 2007-05-10
Here're the minutes from the last meeting, Andreas * dbus restart Restarting of d-bus needs special handling in every package, otherwise they might crash. Upstream d-bus maintainer currently say that d-bus should not get restarted. The long-term goal is that all applications and services should handle d-bus restarts gracefully. For the short term, we will advice the user to reboot the system and not automatically restart d-bus during package updates. * Moving d-bus to / This is need for some potential changes in hal. Since we did not have enough details, we decided to stay for now with the default and rediscuss when needed. * Shared library policy see: http://en.opensuse.org/Shared_Library_Packaging_Policy If nobody raises objections, we'll move forward with it and add it to the packagers manual. Note: This is not enforced for existing packages. It should be done for major updates and must be done for new package submissions. AI: everybody to read and comment on opensuse-packaging mailing list. * Improve debuginfo packages To get a complete stack trace, we need several debuginfo packages. The simple idea would be to copy dependencies from the main package to the debuginfo package. But this would give too many dependencies since it would lead to include always the gcc-debuginfo package (currently 300 MB). Another idea is to reduce the size of debuginfo packages and mark them only for backtrace - with removing the source code. We run out of time and will discuss this further next time. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpRqCylEi5P0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[opensuse-factory] Audacity replacement
Audacity disapeared from the repositories; what audio editor is the replacement for Audacity? Thanks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt
Stephan von Krawczynski escribió: And the reason I am forwarding this as a last point to aj is that I am deeply concerned about the ongoings. Whenever I experienced situations like this they did not survive. With situations like this I explicitely mean people not listening and acting like being Jesus in terms of knowing everything or most of it and therefore stopped questioning their own work. And this is caused by the fact that this list sometimes have people like you that : 1. have a problem. 2. Do not describe the exact problem and asks meta questions. 3. want to rant and blame others for their own problems. 4. does not want to move their asses to contribute a solution for the problem, instead they want other people to fix the problem for them. 5. resist to understand that distributions needs to move on in every aspect. and that usually means that legacy software should be removed. 6. they fail to figure the rest of the world is doing the same thing and what is really wrong is their own stuff. I listened to Cristian saying that he will for sure remove all PHP4 stuff around beginning next year. Sorry to say that, but he hasn't even understood the basics of the whole community which is that you do not delete already done work, In the same pharagraph you talked about Ubuntu, well Ubuntu has already deleted PHP4 from their repositories and was unsupported in the last **3 releases**, so your argumentation is bogus, also is not about deleting already done work. is a about wasting countless hours of my/our time mantaining a dying beast. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Add to wishlist (SSH)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-05-12 at 16:32 +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: On Sat 12 May 2007 16:02:42 NZST +1200, Ciro Iriarte wrote: Isn't that just for commandline?, it would be nice to have an applet in KDE to add/delete the keys kgpg Note key management is done with gpg, reading passphrases from the user with gpg-agent, No, we are talking of ssh-agent, not gpg-agent here. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGRkz1tTMYHG2NR9URAisMAKCWBK7THzwpt1LtxSKrtOrhLheR/gCeOxqd UPfjt/z84qtT1fFRhGBBrqc= =iuK7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Add to wishlist (SSH)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-05-12 at 00:02 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote: Please, trim extra text from the emails. Hi, it would be nice to have an SSH Key Agent on KDE, like Ksshaskpass (http://hanz.nl/p/program). I make extensive use of Putty Pageant at the office just for this... There is ssh-agent Isn't that just for commandline?, it would be nice to have an applet in KDE to add/delete the keys Yes and no. In my ~/.xsession I see: # # If ssh is configured and ssh-agent is wanted set yes # usessh=no If it is set yo yes you would get it. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGRk3ytTMYHG2NR9URApl2AJ9KJ4sKja9+KET7PiPHYz+1FrLEPwCeM2Fq iWNa5Mnsy9pEJ2AZ6kRpRKU= =GAFS -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt
On Sun 13 May 2007 09:16:09 NZST +1200, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote: 5. resist to understand that distributions needs to move on in every aspect. and that usually means that legacy software should be removed. Nice theory. In practice I think I understand what Stephan is talking about. Suppose your boss decides it's time to use http://www.phpprobid.com/auction-script-requirements.php or your customers decide to do the same, you have Stephan's situation: someone decides to use a piece of junk, and it's your job to make it work. No it won't work with php 5 (or mysql 5). Whichever way you look, you're stuffed. You said fix the script? Good luck when you're only having half the source, very common I take it with this zend smokescreen. I'd probably install SUSE 10.0 and hope that nothing else will require 10.1+. And I'd be swearing at the php people for a lousy language design which doesn't stay compatible with itself (Visual Basic is better than that?), and be annoyed with every lemming using it, thus forcing it down my throat as well (indirectly). Fortunately I don't have that job atm. My personal preference is still mv PHP /dev/null. I know someone who isn't having php on his server anymore because of the astronomical grief it caused. Does .asp cause less trouble? Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems
On Friday 11 May 2007 23:27, M Harris wrote: If the file system has problems then every system would display symptoms of those problems... under conditions that are (software remember) repeatable... reproduceable... and most importantly, fixable. Where are the bug reports... ? How come those bugs are not affecting my systems? ... and these are some interesting benchmarks for Reiser4 http://www.namesys.com/benchmarks.html -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] RE: Suitable File Systems
On Saturday 12 May 2007, M Harris wrote: On Friday 11 May 2007 23:27, M Harris wrote: If the file system has problems then every system would display symptoms of those problems... under conditions that are (software remember) repeatable... reproduceable... and most importantly, fixable. Where are the bug reports... ? How come those bugs are not affecting my systems? ... and these are some interesting benchmarks for Reiser4 http://www.namesys.com/benchmarks.html Man. When you go off you REALLY GO OFF! There is no need to be rude. I do not religiously believe in EXF3 over ReiserFS. Frankly I do not care as long as it works. I simply have better experience with EXF3 then ReiserFS. And I have read many articles on the subject and was impressed with the results.until I had problems. I was using both in my classes (I taught Linux for three years) and EXF3 simply gave me longer mileage. If I could compare that experience with anything then I would probably mention my experience with MAXTOR drives (or superdrives). They were supposed to be superior,best, fastest and all that advertising rubbish. I can tell you that after burning several of them I have replaced my last Maxtor drive a couple of weeks ago and there is no Maxtor for me ever. This can be just my personal experience but it does not change my opinion. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- Regards, George Osvald OK Studio ® http://www.okstudio.com.au Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
hi all ! Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX ? They should stop being lazy all the day. That is not a feature-request but a bug. The lazy number one is: marcio ferreira and Stefan Hundhammer link: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=264716 What's worse is that they tell me something like: If you do that again I will formally ask a certain account of bugzilla to be canceled. How am I supposed it eat that as a community-member ? -- -Alexey Eremenko Technologov -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 10:14:25AM +0100, Alexey Eremenko wrote: hi all ! Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX ? They should stop being lazy all the day. That is not a feature-request but a bug. The lazy number one is: marcio ferreira and Stefan Hundhammer link: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=264716 What's worse is that they tell me something like: If you do that again I will formally ask a certain account of bugzilla to be canceled. How am I supposed it eat that as a community-member ? Because you reopened a minor issue that will go away anyway at some point in time anyway. Stefan has quite a huge number of incoming bugs and loses his cool on such minor requests occasionaly. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Delete the LDAP database?
How do I delete the entire contents of my LDAP database to then import the edited version via slapadd? If I use slapadd directly, it of course doesn't delete the entries that are in the LDAP but not in the ldif file. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Linux server company info
Jack Malone schreef: Hey taharka I will give them a look see. Thanks for info. hey jack, i have good experiences with supermicro motherboards, and they specify a compatibilty matrix. They have complete servers, or home grown. But indeed, if you want to be sure, and spend more money, a good server company can be of great help, my linuxjournal is full of these guys jef peeraer Jack -Original Message- From: taharka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:39 PM To: Jack Malone Cc: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] Linux server company info How do, On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 13:47 -0500, Jack Malone wrote: I'm in the market for a new server for work here. I'm looking for some company that builds server class machines that are pretty much certified to run suse linux either version (enterprise or opensuse). I do not have to the have the os installed on it but it would be ok if it came with the machine. I need a raid 10 setup in the machine. I just want some good sources to start looking at that are known linux vendors. I know I can build my own machine up but at this point I'm ready to get a machine that I know will run suse with no problems, just have to plug the os into the machine an start working. How about giving these guys a try? http://www.rcubedtech.com/ Thanks in advance. Jack Malone taharka Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
On 5/12/07, Richard Bos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Provide updated/improved icons, so it is easy to patch. Did you read the bug report ? Look at the gray-background. The updated icons exist, but are not rendered correctly somehow... (In Yast) -- -Alexey Eremenko Technologov -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] kmail duplicating message
I have a perplexing problem. It seems to be since the last kde update from the build service for my opensuse10.2 kmail is duplicating mails. This is how it is doing it. I have an imap server where I collect all my incoming mail from (dovecot). The emails are delived through postfix to the imap server where the emails are stored Now when kmail runs I have a rule (well several) which looks to see if the mail is from this list and moves it to a local folder What is happening is that the kmail move rule is happily making a copy of the email in the local folder but is not removing the message from the imap. Hence with every refresh it creates a new copy of the email in my local folder. The only thing that has changed is the kde upgrade I did yesterday Has anyone else noticed this? Andrew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
Op Saturday 12 May 2007 11:14:25 schreef Alexey Eremenko: What's worse is that they tell me something like: If you do that again I will formally ask a certain account of bugzilla to be canceled. How am I supposed it eat that as a community-member ? Provide updated/improved icons, so it is easy to patch. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] opensuse and problem of poland users
George Osvald wrote: I came late to this thread so I appologize if I repeat something that was said before. What do you mean if they need ADSL support? I am running 5 computers all with SUSE on them and they are all connected to internet via ADSL. There is absolutely no problem with it. We're talking about direct support of ADSL modems (USB). The Polish users are using them quite often. Mandriva and Ubuntu have suited their needs and according to Andreas SUSE also will follow within the next release. Thx Jan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] opensuse and problem of poland users
While I agree that buying ADSL Ethernet router is the way to go in most cases, I also believe that we need better support for ADSL and Cable Modems, among other technologies. Cable Modems in Israel usually use L2TP protocol which is patented and very problematic to support for Linux, but it must be done. ADSL in Israel is less of a problem, because it uses PPPoE which is supported perfectly in SUSE. -- -Alexey Eremenko Technologov -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems
On Friday 11 May 2007, Patrick Shanahan wrote: No, there are problems with reiserfs. I also lost data when a reiserfs system crashed and was unrecoverable. Since, I have moved to exf3 and have not lost data. Reiser crashed? It just up and crashed all by itself? Are you sure your machine didn't crash or you hare drive didn't fail? Are you sure there was no electrical failure, power surge? You are sure it was Reiser? Or did you fix the underlying problem, and change file systems and not had a data loss since? Post hoc, ergo propter hoc! -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
On Saturday 12 May 2007, Alexey Eremenko wrote: hi all ! Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX ? They should stop being lazy all the day. That is not a feature-request but a bug. The lazy number one is: marcio ferreira and Stefan Hundhammer link: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=264716 What a sheltered life you must live if this is the biggest thing you can find to complain about! Fire up Gimp, fix it your self, and submit the fix with the bug report. My god man, get a grip! -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems
On Friday 11 May 2007, M Harris wrote: hy don't you (suse) fix the problems?? So, Hans is in the slammer... its open source--- fix it! (if its broke, that is). Exactly SO! This is one of the clearest demonstrations of the a FAILURE of open source. This free open source package with no critical flaws was dropped (de-standardized is more like it) for quite arbitrary reasons. To be fair, suse dropped Reiserfs as its standard the week before Hans got arrested because, they said, there was no user base to handle maintenance of the package. Since Suse was the principal proponent of Reiserfs among distros this was probably true. Every other distro was probably looking to Suse for maintenance on this/ OTOH, nobody has pointed out any serious breakage with the package either. Somebody said it didn't scale well. I have yet to learn just what that means or how much scaling is necessary for your typical workstation, laptop, or even small to medium size servers. I still prefer it. I use Reiserfs on Raid1 and Raid5 as well as regular disks. I have had to rebuild a tree once or twice after power supply failures. Latest news on Hans suggests there may be another player involved in the disappearance of his wife. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Delete the LDAP database?
A bit hamfisted approach is to stop ldap server, delete contents of /var lib/ldap, start server, stop it once again (it will create empty database) and then import. Tosuja Anders Norrbring wrote: How do I delete the entire contents of my LDAP database to then import the edited version via slapadd? If I use slapadd directly, it of course doesn't delete the entries that are in the LDAP but not in the ldif file. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-05-12 at 00:00 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: No, there are problems with reiserfs. I also lost data when a reiserfs system crashed and was unrecoverable. Since, I have moved to exf3 and have not lost data. I will stand the extra four or five minutes when I reboot every other month or so for the file system checks. And I have lost data on an ext3 partition. And on another with XFS. And with reiserfs. So? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGRZZYtTMYHG2NR9URAndIAKCCIO5ac95b6qHBsVsILQniF2zLCwCeNk5G YRoDltFJ8eR6BQadotUszjY= =MVNj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Bonding two network card
Hi People, I configured bonding (mode=1 - active-backup) and it seems to work properly but there's on thing which maybe I'm missing. Two network cards are used, as far as I understood one is the master (eth0) and the other one (eth1) is the slave. Testing the job I found that when eth0 goes down the bond0 interface still replies to the IP requests whereas if the eth1 goes down the bond0 doesn't work anymore though the it's up and running. I also tried using the mode=3 (broadcast) which seems to be the other choice for multiple switch topology network but I have the same problem. What I simply need is a fault tolerance only configuration where one network card is connected to one switch and the other one to another switch. Any advice? Cheers, Jan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] kmail duplicating message
On Saturday 12 May 2007, Andrew Colvin wrote: What is happening is that the kmail move rule is happily making a copy of the email in the local folder but is not removing the message from the imap. Hence with every refresh it creates a new copy of the email in my local folder. Check your rule to make sure it says MOVE and not COPY. Perhaps that got changed somehow. On Imap, I generally use server side filtering/sorting so that mail is in a consistent place regardless of which machine I use to process the mail, and I use server side subfolders rather than local folders. That being said, I do not have a problem with Kmail and Imap, I use Cyrus. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] More display problems
On Saturday 12 May 2007 01:44:18 Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Bob Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-11-07 18:47]: then copy /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.save.0511 as root from a console in runlevel 3, run either: nvidia-xconfig or sax2 -r -m 0=nvidia and do as above: nvidia-xconfig --force-generate --sli=auto and try glxinfo | grep direct again looking for: direct rendering: Yes if you don't get it, then try: sax2 -r -m 0=nvidia and do glxinfo | again. If none of these achieve desired results, I would reinstall the nvidia driver, which you didn't identify, and try again. note that I have had many problems with my present system. openSUSE 10.1 install with 2.6.16 kernel does not recognize my usb ports and all nvidia drivers until NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.03-pkg2.run and the stock nv drivercause a kernel segfault/video reset. I am running a 10.2 2.6.18.8-396-default kernel (x86_64 SMP) with the NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.03 driver and *everything* works as expected. gud luk, -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org Thank you and good morning. A combination of your magic incantations and reinstalling the nvidia drivers via Yast did the trick. BTW, Patrick, if you make your signature separator dash dash space as opposed to just dash dash, then intelligent mail programs will automagically strip your signature out of replies. All the best -- Bob openSUSE 10.2 x86_64, Kernel 2.6.18.8-0.3, KDE 3.5.6 r31.4 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Delete the LDAP database?
On Saturday 12 May 2007, Anders Norrbring wrote: Petr Klíma skrev: A bit hamfisted approach is to stop ldap server, delete contents of /var lib/ldap, start server, stop it once again (it will create empty database) and then import. Tosuja Anders Norrbring wrote: How do I delete the entire contents of my LDAP database to then import the edited version via slapadd? If I use slapadd directly, it of course doesn't delete the entries that are in the LDAP but not in the ldif file. I was thinking about it, but wasn't sure it would work correctly to delete all the bdb files... Anders. I hope you aren't running SLES. It uses LDAP for lots and lots of stuff, and deleting the database may leave you with a system that is more than a little hozed... -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Build Service Index or Search?
On Friday 11 May 2007, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Joe Morris (NTM) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-11-07 20:41]: Since the Build Service has become such a wealth of packages, is there any way to search for a package there? I realize there is individual indexes for a particular version for adding as a Yast source, but there are a number of times I have wondered if a certain package was available, but searching through every directory and subdirectory is a daunting task. Just wondering if there already exists such a thing, which I think would be a very helpful feature. http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/ Why would anyone know about that? And why isn't it on the build service or at least hosted at opensuse? I run into the same problem often. Google sometimes helps but I can't believe an search and index was not builtin from the ground up. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
hi all ! Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX ? Your bug can be perfectly valid, but is a minor issue that will dissapear soon. They should stop being lazy all the day. That is not a feature-request but a bug. The lazy number one is: marcio ferreira and Stefan Hundhammer link: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=264716 Bugzilla flooding annoys people, again, please make a reasonable use of it, developer time is a limited resource and there are a lot of more important things fix or do ( just look at the 10.3 roadmap to have an idea) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Maximum PC's article and shot about Linux gaming
On Friday 11 May 2007, Pueblo Native wrote: i thought that this was a rather unfair and inaccurate shot about Linux gaming. Maybe it's just that my definition of limited is, well, limited, but when you get around 100 games (arcade, strategy, board, card, etc), Computer Games and Computer Gaming are two different worlds, two different concepts. The games you mention are merely computer games, or games on the computer. What Maximum PC was talking about were multi-player, internet based games like Doom, Quake, Hexen, Unreal Tournament, and several dozen others (I'm dating myself here) where you are competing with other players all over the world in real time across the internet. That whole industry has poured tons of money into the construction of the interent, the development of faster PCs, and better video cards. Infact, until Compiz and Vista's Aero theme, the only thing driving Video card development was gaming. Most of these First Person Shooter games are released only for Windows. Maximum PC's assessment is pretty much on the mark. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Linux server company info
On Friday 11 May 2007, steve reilly wrote: On Friday 11 May 2007 14:47, Jack Malone wrote: I'm in the market for a new server for work here. I'm looking for some company that builds server class machines that are pretty much certified to run suse linux either version (enterprise or opensuse). I do not have to the have the os installed on it but it would be ok if it came with the machine. I need a raid 10 setup in the machine. I just want some good sources to start looking at that are known linux vendors. I know I can build my own machine up but at this point I'm ready to get a machine that I know will run suse with no problems, just have to plug the os into the machine an start working. Thanks in advance. Jack Malone you look at dell poweredge servers yet? Yup, very nice boxes. Come in a variety of sizes and capabilities. They even sell SLED with them and I highly recommend it for a server. Dell's high mid to high end Poweredge servers are industrial grade, and built to last. I still know where there is one with SuSE Linux 7.0 running from the original installation I did on it when 7.0 was just released. The machine had a nic burned out by a lightning strike and replaced. Other than that its been running all these years, a single purpose machine secured behind a firewall with no reason to update either the hardware or the software. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Delete the LDAP database?
Back up the dir and try. If there's *CONFIG* file, don't delete it... I've done that myself several times. Tosuja Anders Norrbring wrote: Petr Klíma skrev: A bit hamfisted approach is to stop ldap server, delete contents of /var lib/ldap, start server, stop it once again (it will create empty database) and then import. Tosuja Anders Norrbring wrote: How do I delete the entire contents of my LDAP database to then import the edited version via slapadd? If I use slapadd directly, it of course doesn't delete the entries that are in the LDAP but not in the ldif file. I was thinking about it, but wasn't sure it would work correctly to delete all the bdb files... Anders. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Linux server company info
On Friday 11 May 2007, taharka wrote:
On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 15:55 -0500, Jack Malone wrote:
Hey taharka I will give them a look see. Thanks for info.
Please do, they'll appreciate your business go the extra mile for you.
Bear in mind, I'm slightly biased towards them, as they're located in my
home town {^_-} Also, note the selection of operating systems that they
preinstall {^_^}
Don't ever let somebody else install your server's OS.
If they do, nuke it and start again.
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Re: [opensuse] Delete the LDAP database?
Petr Klíma skrev: A bit hamfisted approach is to stop ldap server, delete contents of /var lib/ldap, start server, stop it once again (it will create empty database) and then import. Tosuja Anders Norrbring wrote: How do I delete the entire contents of my LDAP database to then import the edited version via slapadd? If I use slapadd directly, it of course doesn't delete the entries that are in the LDAP but not in the ldif file. I was thinking about it, but wasn't sure it would work correctly to delete all the bdb files... Anders. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
On Saturday 12 May 2007 10:46, Alexey Eremenko wrote: On 5/12/07, Richard Bos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Provide updated/improved icons, so it is easy to patch. Did you read the bug report ? Look at the gray-background. The updated icons exist, but are not rendered correctly somehow... (In Yast) -- -Alexey Eremenko Technologov Yeah, Why do you have OpenSuse? Is it to look at icons all day? - in which case it is badly broken. But if anyone has work to do, these icons don't stop them. If it was to be fixed, it only justifies the lowest priority, and as the icons are to be updated or reviewed, I would agree with wontfix. Having said that, I think Mr Ferriera needs to accept that there are diverse views of the acceptable quality level and save the threats for genuinely disruptive input. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Video editing with Cinelerra Kino
I am using Kino to capture my miniDV movies, and would like to use Cinelerra for the editing, but it runs pig slow even though I've recently upgraded my graphics card to nvidia 7600 and got direct rendering working. Having read Rob Fisher's http://www.robfisher.net excellent guides I understand that cinelerra needs it's movie clips to be in *.mov format. Kino can capture in raw DV or *.avi. Does anyone know of a utility for encapsulating *.dv files into *.mov format. The utility mentioned by Rob Fisher doesn't work here. Maybe because it's 32-bit? and I'm running a 64-bit system? -- Bob openSUSE 10.2 x86_64, Kernel 2.6.18.8-0.3, KDE 3.5.6 r31.4 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Build Service Index or Search?
On Saturday 12 May 2007 06:16, John Andersen wrote: Why would anyone know about that? And why isn't it on the build service or at least hosted at opensuse? Look for this threads: [opensuse-project] Add/Remove Programs idea [opensuse-project] Community Meeting: Package Manager Redesign on Saturday May, 12, 2007 As you mentioned, it is seriously needed project. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
Alexey Eremenko wrote: On 5/12/07, Richard Bos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Provide updated/improved icons, so it is easy to patch. Did you read the bug report ? Look at the gray-background. The updated icons exist, but are not rendered correctly somehow... (In Yast) Like somebody commented, it could be a QT bug. Maybe this one? http://www.trolltech.com/developer/task-tracker/index_html?method=entryid=111391 Sorin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems
* M Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-12-07 00:25]: On Friday 11 May 2007 23:00, Patrick Shanahan wrote: No, there are problems with reiserfs. I also lost data when a reiserfs system crashed and was unrecoverable. I have several questions for you: I will answer as best I recall. 1) Were you aware of the rebuild-index option, and did you try it? yes 2) Do you honestly believe that reiserfs caused the problem, yes or might you be honest enough to admit that something else may have caused the problem which left reiserfs with a broken index... which you did not know how to recover? yes 3) What were the circumstances which led you to know that reiserfs was the culprit? I do not have them documented, but there was data loss several times prior to disk crash. btw, that disk is still in service with ext3. It's an ibm 20.4GB IBM-DJNA-352030. I had to return two of it's siblings for replacement. 4) If there are problems with reiserfs, why and how are so many systems able to run for years without any difficulty? --- how is this possible? The sky is blue, usually, but it may be gray at times and also may have white clouds. If the file system has problems then every system would display symptoms of those problems... under conditions that are (software remember) repeatable... reproduceable... and most importantly, fixable. Where are the bug reports... ? How come those bugs are not affecting my systems? Computer science is not voodoo and superstition folks... nor is it about how anyone religiously feels about their favorite file system (like vi vs emacs discussions). Think about this... if you believe that reiserfs has problems... and everyone knows that the technical reasons for using it in the first place are for the provided advantages... why don't you (suse) fix the problems?? So, Hans is in the slammer... its open source--- fix it! (if its broke, that is). Last point... you lost data not because reiserfs was broke, or because raid stripe didn't work, or because of the phase of the moon or the length of a witches skirt... you lost data because YOU didn't have it backed up. You make valid points and ask good questions, then you go bonkers as if your meds gave way. I suppose you also debate with an ak47. You are not interested in the subject, only your preception of the subject and your overwhelming and infinite understanding that yours is the only valid position. We are not in a court of law but you act as a lawyer, Not A Good Thing! (tm). ps: I lost data on a disk, I didn't say that I didn't have it backed up. An ill-formed mis-interpretation of facts not in evidence. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems
* John Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-12-07 06:18]: On Friday 11 May 2007, Patrick Shanahan wrote: No, there are problems with reiserfs. I also lost data when a reiserfs system crashed and was unrecoverable. Since, I have moved to exf3 and have not lost data. Reiser crashed? It just up and crashed all by itself? Are you sure your machine didn't crash or you hare drive didn't fail? Are you sure there was no electrical failure, power surge? You are sure it was Reiser? Or did you fix the underlying problem, and change file systems and not had a data loss since? Post hoc, ergo propter hoc! It must be in the water supply, as it is spreading. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems
* Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-12-07 06:29]: [...] And I have lost data on an ext3 partition. And on another with XFS. And with reiserfs. So? I've even had an 8 floppy fail :^) -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Build Service Index or Search?
* John Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-12-07 07:16]: On Friday 11 May 2007, Patrick Shanahan wrote: http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/ Why would anyone know about that? And why isn't it on the build service or at least hosted at opensuse? I run into the same problem often. Google sometimes helps but I can't believe an search and index was not builtin from the ground up. I have record of it mentioned in opensuse list in no less than 8 posting since 12 Dec last not counting this thread :^) not much but it is HERE. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How can I disable xgl-compiz from CLI (solved)
On Sat, 2007-05-12 at 20:43 +0800, Art Fore wrote: Done an upgrade to xgl and compiz, now all I get is a white screen. I an rotate the cube etc, in either gnome or kde, but everything is white. This dis work before the upgrade, so guess I messed up something. Is there a way to disable the xgl from the command line and if so, how? Art Never mind. A google search resulted in gnome-xgl-switch --disable-xgl which works. Art -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] More display problems
* Bob Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-12-07 07:11]: Thank you and good morning. A combination of your magic incantations and reinstalling the nvidia drivers via Yast did the trick. good :^) BTW, Patrick, if you make your signature separator dash dash space as opposed to just dash dash, then intelligent mail programs will automagically strip your signature out of replies. better look again, cauz it is dashdashspace Yur softwaare must be changing it. btw, the delete key and/or delete-line function of your editor will also accomplish that task on your software failing to do so. :^) -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] How can I disable xgl-compiz from CLI
Done an upgrade to xgl and compiz, now all I get is a white screen. I an rotate the cube etc, in either gnome or kde, but everything is white. This dis work before the upgrade, so guess I messed up something. Is there a way to disable the xgl from the command line and if so, how? Art -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [opensuse] Linux server company info
On Friday 11 May 2007, taharka wrote:
On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 15:55 -0500, Jack Malone wrote:
Hey taharka I will give them a look see. Thanks for info.
Please do, they'll appreciate your business go the extra mile for you.
Bear in mind, I'm slightly biased towards them, as they're located in my
home town {^_-} Also, note the selection of operating systems that they
preinstall {^_^}
Don't ever let somebody else install your server's OS.
If they do, nuke it and start again.
Well that is normally what I do anyway because I like things done my way.
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RE: [opensuse] Linux server company info
On Friday 11 May 2007, steve reilly wrote: On Friday 11 May 2007 14:47, Jack Malone wrote: I'm in the market for a new server for work here. I'm looking for some company that builds server class machines that are pretty much certified to run suse linux either version (enterprise or opensuse). I do not have to the have the os installed on it but it would be ok if it came with the machine. I need a raid 10 setup in the machine. I just want some good sources to start looking at that are known linux vendors. I know I can build my own machine up but at this point I'm ready to get a machine that I know will run suse with no problems, just have to plug the os into the machine an start working. Thanks in advance. Jack Malone you look at dell poweredge servers yet? Yup, very nice boxes. Come in a variety of sizes and capabilities. They even sell SLED with them and I highly recommend it for a server. Dell's high mid to high end Poweredge servers are industrial grade, and built to last. Ok Thanks to all who have replied so far. I have looked at dell not that much but I did briefly spec out one machine. My boss is not favor of buying a prebuilt machine, but everyone else including me is ready to go out an get a nice machine that is cerified to run suse on it. I'm quiet tired at this point of the trial an error of the home breew boxes for a server. Now I will continue to spec out boxes for workstations for a while. He keeps harping on that we are farming out our maintance everytime its brought up from anyone but I'm working on him I think a little bit. Again thanks to all who have replied so far. Jack -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Maximum PC's article and shot about Linux gaming
John Andersen wrote: What Maximum PC was talking about were multi-player, internet based games like Doom, Quake, Hexen, Unreal Tournament, and several dozen others (I'm dating myself here) where you are competing with other players all over the world in real time across the internet. That whole industry has poured tons of money into the construction of the interent, the development of faster PCs, and better video cards. Infact, until Compiz and Vista's Aero theme, the only thing driving Video card development was gaming. Even if we ignore tremulous for a second, that would presume that the only games worth anything were First Person Shooters and/or MMORPGs. And the article doesn't seem to make the distinction you do between gaming and games (which is the term that it uses). I will give you that more of the games you are talking about are being developed exclusively for Windows, when you stack the amount of freely available games out there vs the amount on Windows (those that aren't either crippleware or shareware), I think you do have more than enough to entertain you for quite a while. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] kmail duplicating message
On Saturday 12 May 2007 12:05:30 John Andersen wrote: On Saturday 12 May 2007, Andrew Colvin wrote: What is happening is that the kmail move rule is happily making a copy of the email in the local folder but is not removing the message from the imap. Hence with every refresh it creates a new copy of the email in my local folder. Check your rule to make sure it says MOVE and not COPY. Perhaps that got changed somehow. It is most definately a move - as I stated it makes a copy of the message in the destination folder but never removes or downloads it from the imap. Currently my work around is to use copy and delete the emails manually from the imap. So I hope this list doesnt pick up in the meantime On Imap, I generally use server side filtering/sorting so that mail is in a consistent place regardless of which machine I use to process the mail, and I use server side subfolders rather than local folders. I like to keep the mailing list on this client on local so that it can be searched without hitting the network (i keep all messages) That being said, I do not have a problem with Kmail and Imap, I use Cyrus. I never had an issue until this last kde update when the filter processing seems to have broke! -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
On Saturday 12 May 2007 11:32:42 Marcus Meissner wrote: What's worse is that they tell me something like: If you do that again I will formally ask a certain account of bugzilla to be How am I supposed it eat that as a community-member ? Stefan has quite a huge number of incoming bugs and loses his cool on such minor requests occasionaly. And to Stefan's defense, above quote originates from a community member. Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] ATI driver problems - continued
This is an updated post on problem getting the new ATI driver to work. I can get to KDE, but there are things still broken. What I've done so far: 1. Installed the new ATI driver rpm (v. 8.35.5) thru YAST sources, got black screen, uninstalled. 2. Followed instructions at http://en.opensuse.org/ATI, made rpm, installed, got black screen. 3. Followed trouble shooting at the ATI page, never got past black screen. 4. Uninstalled the rpm. 5. I now have KDE, but my screensaver will not start. I see many others having problems with the ATI driver, some on this list, many others thru searching google. At this point I'd like to get back to my original defalult KDE/xorg install. I will try the ATI driver agian later, but for now I'd like to get back to the original install. How do I do this? Running glxinfo returns the following message, glxinfo: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmCloseOnce Running openSUSE 10.2, radeon 9800 pro. Thanks for any assistance. Jim Flanagan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Build Service Index or Search?
On Saturday 12 May 2007 13:16:02 John Andersen wrote: http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/ Why would anyone know about that? And why isn't it on the build service or It was linked from http://software.opensuse.org for a long time until the service had a temporary problem and the link was removed. Should be readded. Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-05-12 at 08:13 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: And I have lost data on an ext3 partition. And on another with XFS. And with reiserfs. So? I've even had an 8 floppy fail :^) And I have dozens of tea saucers with a hole in the middle, of the 4700 series :-p Seriosly, what I mean is that all filesystems types can fail. Just because we were bitten doesn't mean that particular type is worse than the other. Reiserfs is very sofisticated and innovative, and it's problems can be comparatively innovative. I use it in the partitions where I have source code and compilations, for instance. My home is xfs, my root is ext3. I would use reiser for a maildir partition. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGRdFDtTMYHG2NR9URAgq3AJoCMEYIXVQXSJI2BxNj9a7SejzYhACfQ2AV YmKuJ7bwr/xPS7pLr4ZfckQ= =o/5X -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-05-12 at 02:13 -0800, John Andersen wrote: On Friday 11 May 2007, Patrick Shanahan wrote: No, there are problems with reiserfs. I also lost data when a reiserfs system crashed and was unrecoverable. Since, I have moved to exf3 and have not lost data. Reiser crashed? It just up and crashed all by itself? Are you sure your machine didn't crash or you hare drive didn't fail? Are you sure there was no electrical failure, power surge? You are sure it was Reiser? I am. I recall some years ago (2..4) reiserfs claimed that a file with a certain name had the same name as another file, which had a different name in fact. This was reported in the security list at the time. I was one of the people that tried it... and my partition was completely hosed, I had to reformat it. The problem was duly corrected. All on record. Also, I can report failures with XFS and EXT3. I still have an XFS partition that crashes the recovery program, which I forgot to report. One of this days, if I can still reproduce the failure or find my notes. Software is fallible. The more complex a piece of software is, the more fallible it is. That doesn't make it necessarily bad. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGRdQPtTMYHG2NR9URAsaWAJ0U0+xb64cFFrTYg7GvRdT9Wza6qACeMRAl fPmy1hs2xm2aOqY/rWTKcoU= =lTeO -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[opensuse] LVM usage wrong
I have an LVM consisting of 3 300GB SATA drives reporting the wrong usage info... FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/system-Data 839G -64Z 872G 101% /data I can access the volume with no problem and all its files and folders, but applications complain of no disk space when there is only ~175GB used on the volume. How can I correct this usage info? -- Robert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] kde keyboard problem
I had a curious problem with my keyboard, related to Kde (openSUSE 10.1) I know it's Kde, because I could fixit :-), but not on a convenient way. Suddenly, my keyboard stopped working- mouse was OK, so I could go out, even reboot, with no change. after some tweaks, it turned back partially, but the key still didn't work (great problem editing a wiki) I could by gess and try figure out that the problem is in the .kde/share/config file, but couldn't understand what file :-( so I had to copy over this config folder the initial suse one (from a freshly created account, and all is good.. except I did lost most of my kde config (a small part is stored in .kderc, not lost) do you know what can be the faulty file? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Cécile, esthéticienne à Montpellier http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list mail
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 19:41 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote: On 2007-05-10 18:09, James D. Parra wrote: Is the mail list having problems? I am not seeing my posts. Thank you, James It arrived here.. I seem to be having the same problem. Looks like the your getting bit by the problem which hit me on My Real Box which was down for over two weeks. I could post from there but not receive. this proves its a opensuse list problem. And not just American servers as one of you is dot ca which I remember being Canadian. I am ccing you so you will receive off list. -- ___ _ _ _ _ _ _ || | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/ | \ /|\ || |\ / |~~\ /~~\ /~~| //~~\ | \ / | \ || | X |__/||| |( `--. |__ | | \| \_/ / \ | \ \__/ \__| \\__/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
This is not different from the previous bugzilla abuses where one-closes-bug-other-reopens-countless-times that happened a lot and usually ends with the bug being set private... Its an abuse what you did, and I mean exaclty what Ive wrote, that if you kept re-opening and making people waste time with that Id send an email to whoever is in charge of bugzilla to cancel your account. If they will cancel, I dont know, but sure as hell I will ask to. And Im not a novell employer obviously. If I were Id be to be polite when you were doing the prickness arrogant and clueless actions you like to do, and distribute orders to people as you knew better about every single topic, alexey. Im very happy Im not so I can talk straight and clear the problem you cause, although you like to ignore, in a way that has more chances to be understood than a novell guy message, that will always (almost always?) friendly and not getting straight to the point. And by the way, what Ive told here and in bugzila you can bet is something lots of people wanted to say, but they cant, for example, because they are novell people get a clue, you abuse people's time... Marcio --- druid On 5/12/07, Stephan Binner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 12 May 2007 11:32:42 Marcus Meissner wrote: What's worse is that they tell me something like: If you do that again I will formally ask a certain account of bugzilla to be How am I supposed it eat that as a community-member ? Stefan has quite a huge number of incoming bugs and loses his cool on such minor requests occasionaly. And to Stefan's defense, above quote originates from a community member. Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Yast Update
On Friday 11 May 2007 13:02, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote: Susemail wrote: myhome:~ # grubonce 0: XEN -- openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3 1: openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3 2: Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3 3: openSUSE 10.2 4: Floppy 5: Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2 Using openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3 or openSUSE 10.2 gives me a blank screen except for a ~1 inch line at the top of the screen. Using Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3 or Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2 gives me the output from my original post: It looks like that is the only kernel you now have installed. Check with rpm -qa | grep kernel and if the xen kernel is the only kernel installed, and that is not what you want, go to Yast and install the correct kernel and uninstall or leave the xen kernel. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 I have the default kernel installed also: :~ rpm -qa | grep kernel kernel-source-2.6.18.8-0.3 linux-kernel-headers-2.6.18.2-3 kernel-default-2.6.18.8-0.3 kernel-docs-2.6.18.2-34 kernel-xen-2.6.18.8-0.3 Shouldn't the kernel-headers and document number be the same as the kernel-source number? If true, they weren't updated by the update. Jerome -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] ATI driver problems - continued
Jim Flanagan wrote: This is an updated post on problem getting the new ATI driver to work. I can get to KDE, but there are things still broken. Running glxinfo returns the following message, glxinfo: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmCloseOnce Another issue is that clicking on My Computer on the desktop is broken as well. The window opens and shows... An error occurred while loading sysinfo:/: Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_sysinfo'. How do I restore my previous X and KDE setup? thanks, Jim Flanagan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
On Saturday 2007-05-12 05:14, Alexey Eremenko wrote: Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX ? They should stop being lazy all the day. That is not a feature-request but a bug. lazy is unfair and exaggerated. Every version of Suse since I started with 8.0 has had substantial and obvious modifications and improvement. I don't believe anyone working on the distro has been lazy. link: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=264716 I read the link. This bug is a very MINOR issue with the way an icon is hilighted when selected. I had to look twice to see the problem. It's not as if the icon shows up as an unsightly blob of random pixels. The fate of the Suse distro is not likely to depend on this icon issue. Also, perhaps you don't understand this quote from the bugzilla discussion, I don't consider this to be a serious issue though, especially in the long term when we want to unify the icon style. I take this to mean there is a long term plan to revise all the icons. So, you can see why they don't consider it important to fix an icon that will be replaced in any case. (I think a far more important bug is that the words Suse, distro, and bugzilla are not present in the ISpell dictionary by default. ;-) What's worse is that they tell me something like: If you do that again I will formally ask a certain account of bugzilla to be canceled. How am I supposed it eat that as a community-member ? Be a part of the community and learn how to fix the icon yourself and submit it to the svn repository? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Delete the LDAP database?
John Andersen wrote: I hope you aren't running SLES. It uses LDAP for lots and lots of stuff, and deleting the database may leave you with a system that is more than a little hozed... Well, SLES (as well as other distros) use LDAP only where you set it. I don't see a problem being within system itself, but remote computers. I don't baby-sit people therefore I expect that he/she is aware of his actions consequences. Doing that on standalone/testing machine is absolutely safe. However, provided that nothing goes wrong, you can do whole operation within 15-30 seconds which doesn't make much room for the system become hozed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] fatal error in chmod-ing on root partition /
Hello,
On Fri, 11 May 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Now, we have to get those modes into something we can use... Let me see:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ rpm -q -a --queryformat
%{FILEMODES:octal}\t%{DIRNAMES}%{BASENAMES}\n
40755 /usr
40755 /etc/udev
40755 /usr/share/latex2html
100644 /usr/share/susehelp/docserver/index.html.en
That shows only the first file of each package. You need to use a loop
(using []) for the Arrayvariables of RPM:
rpm -qa --queryformat [%{FILEMODES:octal}\t%{FILENAMES}\n]
It's much easier though to just use --setperms mode of rpm:
rpm -a --setperms
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[opensuse] Palm Pilot problems
I borrowed a Palm Pilot to use. I can't seem to get it to connect to my computer at all. I am not too familiar with these at all so please bear with me. The back of the unit says Palm TX, I have the usb cable for it. It can also connect via wireless, and I have actually done that while testing. When plugged in and I do an lsusb I do not see it in the list of devices, I do see my kb, mouse, and printer. The computer is an AMD 64, suse 10.2-x86-64 From what I see ther palm software Kpilot and Kitchensink are installed but I can't get them to see any device. How do I proceed? Thanks, Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [OT] - Australian extradited to US to stand trial
Damon Register wrote: M Harris wrote: On Wednesday 09 May 2007 18:08, George Osvald wrote: I bought a new fridge yesterday. Anybody cares to discuss? Is it one of those smart fridges with an embedded linux server? Is that the one that makes ice cream? I remember reading about an ice cream vending machine that was linux based. Penguin flavour ice cream? ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
Private message sent to a bug author - mine was a dupe. It was been partially edited for understandable reasons Scott OMG its morning 08:08 GMT+10 Quote With respect to the above bug, I also raised the same issue after I installed 10.2 when it was first installed by me and my bug was duped as created on 2007-01-02 however yours was created on 2006-11-16. I feel there are a few things about the whole in personnel who are involved in development. Looking at how hard you have had to battle, as I often need to, just to get an acknowledgement that there is a bug. Is an issue by itself. The possibility that almost all needinfo comments are commonly buck passing or offensive attitude back to the author often prevails; I have almost given up. I don't know if its a conflict cultural exchange, but its always an uphill battle. If you look at a recent survey of the huge number of users 86% aprox. with development/application testing/fault rectification type experience it is easy to see when asked that only 6.8% were willing to raise a bug report. With respect to this current bug labelling it as a enhancement current classification is insulting. The expected standard of the work from mostly paid workers at suse.de is from a development point of view, unacceptable. Years ago if I speced a new Functional Change or Trouble report and finished testing it and put it online and it fell over or was not 98% sound, I would have to justify my job if it happened too much. Those were different times, I was dealing with an enormous Mainframe with Global fingers attached and you were expected to perform. Sorry to have a twinge in your year directly, but for what its worth, just getting this very small, but significant bug fixed has been a huge effort on your behalf, lest a battle and I thank you for making the software just a little better. I have lost so much faith in suse.de I could open aprox 10 serious bug reports right now, but to tell you the truth - I don't want to have to battle and deal with attitude. No one ever says thanks to us bug finders but in this particular bug Thanks for you (correct) belief and you got 1 out of over 1000 bugs open still in 10.2. Unquote Alexey Eremenko wrote: hi all ! Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX ? They should stop being lazy all the day. That is not a feature-request but a bug. The lazy number one is: marcio ferreira and Stefan Hundhammer link: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=264716 What's worse is that they tell me something like: If you do that again I will formally ask a certain account of bugzilla to be canceled. How am I supposed it eat that as a community-member ? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [opensuse] About Backing Up
I have raised a bug because the current system back in yast only offers an incremental backup - so if you loose the first achieve your stuffed. The reply came back and described it as a Hugh code re-write within Yast and it was just a font end based on ---I forgot: I suggested that the new front end should be written around CPIO . The bug is now Assigned for a LATER status.. - Cross you fingers everyone Scott Carlos E. R. wrote: The Friday 2007-02-23 at 12:39 -, David Bolt wrote: What is par2? The home page describing it is here: URL:http://parchive.sourceforge.net/ Interestingly, the distro has a par from that same page, but not par. There isn't even a man page for par. I guess from what you say that they are not the same. [...] I saw a link explaining the differences. What would I need to compile - from sourceforge? gpar2-0.3.tar.gz libpar2-0.2.tar.gz par2cmdline-0.4.tar.gz Curiously, they have par-v0.1alpha.tar.gz, when suse has par-1.1-62 [...] AH! It is hidden as older releases, par-v1.1.tar.gz. [...] The make run (par2cmdline-0.4) fails... reedsolomon.cpp:54: error: explicit specialization of bool ReedSolomonGalois8u, 285u, unsigned char ::SetInput(const std::vectorbool, std::allocatorbool ) must be introduced by template reedsolomon.cpp:54: error: template-id SetInput for bool ReedSolomonGalois8u, 285u, unsigned char ::SetInput(const std::vectorbool, std::allocatorbool ) does not match any template declaration reedsolomon.cpp:54: error: invalid function declaration And a lot more. ... With the values I use, I should be able to recreate upto 5 missing files, or significantly more files if dd can copy most of the data. Interesting :-) What are you using, where did you get it from? Source code from sourceforge, patched it to handle GCC4, and then built an RPM for it. I keep copies of it built for multiple versions of SUSE here: URL:http://www.davjam.org/~davjam/linux/par2/index.htm Ah! So you had to modify them... But... that is version par2-0.4-5. At http://sourceforge.net/projects/parchive I can only see release 0.3 (feb 2006). Where does the 0.4.5 comes from? Now I wonder if the dar we have in the distro has that implemented [...] it seems it does. Dar may have PAR support built in but, since PAR2 hasn't been included in SUSE, I don't think it'll have PAR2 support. It may have but, since I haven't used dar, I've no idea. No, it is par - form man dar: This has of course its limitations, in particular when a data corruption occurs in the vital part of the backup, i.e. the few first bytes of each slice, and the last part of the archive (the catalogue). In case you need to store archive on a bad quality medium, you could protect each slice with a Parchive recovery file. (see NOTES for more information about Parchive, and how to transparently run Parchive from dar) smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems
Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-12-07 06:29]: [...] And I have lost data on an ext3 partition. And on another with XFS. And with reiserfs. So? I've even had an 8 floppy fail :^) And I've had punch cards and paper tape get chewed up. Also, anyone who's used audio cassettes for data storage can tell you about failures! ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems
On Sat 12 May 2007 22:18, James Knott wrote: Also, anyone who's used audio cassettes for data storage can tell you about failures! ;-) TRS-80 days . . . probs with wobbly plugs! . -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
On Saturday 12 May 2007, Registration Account wrote: but for what its worth, just getting this very small, but significant bug fixed has been a huge effort on your behalf, lest a battle and I thank you for making the software just a little better. very small, but significant bug Background shading on an icon counts as significant? You must be mad! -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] RE: Native Distro does not include your Laser Printer Model - what do you do first?
Just about every Laser printer in the Market, and NOTHING to do with brand/Model, will either has a PCL or Postscript emulation. Printer Control Language is propriety (PCL) to HP. There are a few exception, notably a small release of cannon laser printer which were released with their proprietary language (casual) (sp). IF your Laser Printer Model is not in the list of drivers - its time to dig out the user manual and find out what the engine language is based upon. You would normally expect a PCL/ v X. /I.E PCL3/45/6 etc.. You could also find a Postscript emulation option to either Postscript level 1 or 2. In this case an Apple Laser writer 2NTX would be fine - there is a trade off using postscript and that is the print files are outrageously large and I am being very serious here, however Postscript is Postscript is Postscript. Before using a native emulation print driver there are 2 things that will require you to obtain the Badged Label Driver and these include. - Multiple paper trays - Some degree of differences in printable page area - which possibly will never effect you - Software enhancements that provide greater DPI accuracy Now you CAN find a printer driver, based on its emulation, not its badge. And this, depending on your situation may get you out of a whole lot of bother. Comments welcome from all Scott smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
[opensuse] Project launch: openSUSE Software Portal / Application Manager
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (sorry for the somewhat exhaustive list of recipients, just trying to spread the word and hunt for participants) We had our kickoff openSUSE Software Portal project meeting today. The goals are to provide the best possible end-user experience with regards to package installation/upgrading at large. The idea is to provide several software components and services: * a server backend that aggregates various kinds of information * a web client, including one-click installation (yast2-mpp) * a desktop client (GTK/Qt/YaST) More information about the project: http://en.opensuse.org/Software_Portal http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2007/05/project-launch-opensuse-software-portal.html Basic infrastructure is set up, so if you want to join the effort (any help is more than welcome), please subscribe to our mailing-list [1] We're definitely looking for Java/Python/YCP developers, web designers, artwork designers, and people with ideas, suggestions, and motivation. [1]http://forge.novell.com/mailman/listinfo/appinstaller-devel Please spread the word ;) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGRk8Hr3NMWliFcXcRAnufAJ9fU68sxeaKL8NoKKYWQRtuQKGRZQCdGHeU A/HjKGDtiVefXYQ9AjU6Kmg= =JH/6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] fatal error in chmod-ing on root partition /
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The Saturday 2007-05-12 at 22:32 +0200, David Haller wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Now, we have to get those modes into something we can use... Let me see:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ rpm -q -a --queryformat
%{FILEMODES:octal}\t%{DIRNAMES}%{BASENAMES}\n
40755 /usr
40755 /etc/udev
40755 /usr/share/latex2html
100644 /usr/share/susehelp/docserver/index.html.en
That shows only the first file of each package. You need to use a loop
(using []) for the Arrayvariables of RPM:
rpm -qa --queryformat [%{FILEMODES:octal}\t%{FILENAMES}\n]
Curious! Obviously, I didn't test it, I was just thinking aloud.
It's much easier though to just use --setperms mode of rpm:
rpm -a --setperms
Indeed! I knew there was a way, but I couldn't remember/find how.
I'm saving your email for possible eventual need ;-)
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Carlos E. R.
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Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
If anything this bug should just have been changed to an enhancement - Major reason functionality was not effected. This would have been a far more productive exercise. If I log a serious bug and some one closes it wontfix, and after considering the impact of a fault in functionality I am happy to re-open, however I change it back to the QA team for re-assessment. On the other hand if I get some code cutter that is verging on abuse or enters into conversation of anything Like The bug in the functionality, is noted, however considered not import - why are you worrying me... If they become emotive in any response I will close the bug as wontfix as I will not enter into a non-factual emotive discussion. The concept of quality in creation and testing of new code they produce myself is in my opinion - extremely poor, non verified and management obviously takes no interest in how development or Quality measures are being implemented by suse.de. I do have respect for many guys, but I know the ones I will close bug as wontfix - comment - author has no confidence in bug assignee. Scott :-) Alexey Eremenko wrote: hi all ! Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX ? They should stop being lazy all the day. That is not a feature-request but a bug. The lazy number one is: marcio ferreira and Stefan Hundhammer link: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=264716 What's worse is that they tell me something like: If you do that again I will formally ask a certain account of bugzilla to be canceled. How am I supposed it eat that as a community-member ? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
My guess is that those on the SUSE payroll have a portion of their job performance officially measured by how many bugs assigned to them remain open and how long they stay open while assigned to them, which would make it in their own personal best interest to get rid of them as quickly as possible by any method possible, regardless of best interest to the distro -- The path of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn, shining ever brighter till the full light of day. Proverbs 4:18 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Changes in .RPM files - Their Technical Future - Personal issue.
Does anyone know what is contained the the last byte of an RPM update file. Hey you say.What the hell ?? I ask this question because in version 10.0.-10.1 I did not need to include an exemption from application gateway Layer inspection done by my IDS02. It is an easy thing to place exemptions in my IDS02. Without exemption, without failure, update RPM files will download but error out with download halted with 1 byte remaining. The download traffic, either HTTP or FTP are both subject to ALG filtering in both directions. Are there any real comms'y type people who understand how RPM packets have changed in format from 10.0-10.1 so we can all understand, please try to keep it simple, as I think this would be a very interesting topic of conversation for many. In the case I sighted above, the last packet has been accepted, however its as if there is NO EOF marker lest EOP marker. I am probably being a little selfish in asking a question that helps me only, however with the inclusion of describing the change in .RPM files lately, would seem one worth discussing - There is still a huge argument raging as to the value of remaining committed to the .RPM files. I will try to search for the comms article that I have stored that explains a technical argument of further development of the .RPM file and its package Management in the light of being able to reliably update an extrapolated native traffic issue and Red Hat and opens suse users over the next 10 years. Happy mothers day here in Australia to our mums - Sunday 10:20 GMT+10 Scott :-* smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
On Saturday 12 May 2007, Registration Account wrote: The concept of quality in creation and testing of new code they produce myself is in my opinion - extremely poor, If you had to restate that into meaningful english, how would you rephrase it? In other words: What in the hell did you mean? -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Palm Pilot problems
On Saturday 12 May 2007 17:07, ka1ifq wrote: I borrowed a Palm Pilot to use. I can't seem to get it to connect to my computer at all. I am not too familiar with these at all so please bear with me. The back of the unit says Palm TX, I have the usb cable for it. It can also connect via wireless, and I have actually done that while testing. When plugged in and I do an lsusb I do not see it in the list of devices, I do see my kb, mouse, and printer. The computer is an AMD 64, suse 10.2-x86-64 From what I see ther palm software Kpilot and Kitchensink are installed but I can't get them to see any device. How do I proceed? Thanks, Mike Ok, I did a couple hrs of googling and reading and have found the error of my ways. Thanks, Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] LVM usage wrong
Robert Fitzpatrick wrote: I have an LVM consisting of 3 300GB SATA drives reporting the wrong usage info... FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/system-Data 839G -64Z 872G 101% /data I can access the volume with no problem and all its files and folders, but applications complain of no disk space when there is only ~175GB used on the volume. How can I correct this usage info? When is the last time the volume was fsck'ed? -- Robert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
Felix Miata wrote: My guess is that those on the SUSE payroll have a portion of their job performance officially measured by how many bugs assigned to them remain open and how long they stay open while assigned to them, which would make it in their own personal best interest to get rid of them as quickly as possible by any method possible, regardless of best interest to the distro Every place that I've worked, there has never been a motivation to dispose of trouble-tickets by any method possible because IMPROPERLY closed tickets bring negative attention from managment. Having said that, whoever closed ticket to WONTFIX was correct -- there IS a fix on the way -- the unified icon set...but there was probably no category which is a MORE appropriate to say taken care of in next release, but not worth correcting in this release -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Palm Pilot problems
* ka1ifq [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-12-07 21:35]: Ok, I did a couple hrs of googling and reading and have found the error of my ways. Well, be sure not to tell any secrets. We wouldn't want anyone else to be able to connect to their Psalm Pylots. Must remember that this forum is for bragging about our secrets, not to research the archives to solve problems or to ask for help! -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] looking for Mplayer
I looking for Mplayer for 10.2 and the dvd iso of 10.2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Palm Pilot problems
On Saturday 12 May 2007 22:10, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * ka1ifq [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-12-07 21:35]: Ok, I did a couple hrs of googling and reading and have found the error of my ways. Well, be sure not to tell any secrets. We wouldn't want anyone else to be able to connect to their Psalm Pylots. Must remember that this forum is for bragging about our secrets, not to research the archives to solve problems or to ask for help! Hi Patrick, I have a weird problem, If I ask a question while doing some searching I usually end up finding my own answer, well at least 80% of the time. Ok, I'll spill the beans! :) My search went to kpilot.org which redirected to http://cvs.codeyard.net/kpilot/faq.php I found this info: SuSE 10.0 (perhaps other Linuxes): Create a file /etc/udev/rules.d/10-custom.rules and include the line (wrapped for clarity -- it should be a single line): KERNEL=ttyUSB*, NAME=%k, SYMLINK=pilot, GROUP=uucp, MODE=0666 I opened up Kpilot and it ran perfect. Hope this helps someone else. Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] ATI driver problems - continued
On Saturday 12 May 2007 08:57, Jim Flanagan wrote: At this point I'd like to get back to my original defalult KDE/xorg install. I will try the ATI driver agian later, but for now I'd like to get back to the original install. How do I do this? This is really easy... ... put the machine in runlevel 3: sudo init 3 runsax2 -r or sax2 -r -m 0=radeon Sax will rebuild your install /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. (or) If this is the card you installed the machine with, then you probably still have a file called /etc/X11/xorg.conf.install you might try using that by linking to it in /etc/X11 cd /etc/X11as root rm xorg.conf ln -sf xorg.conf.install xorg.conf -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
On Saturday 2007-05-12 20:51, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Felix Miata wrote: My guess is that those on the SUSE payroll have a portion of their job performance officially measured by how many bugs assigned to them remain open and how long they stay open while assigned to them, which would make it in their own personal best interest to get rid of them as quickly as possible by any method possible, regardless of best interest to the distro Every place that I've worked, there has never been a motivation to dispose of trouble-tickets by any method possible because IMPROPERLY closed tickets bring negative attention from managment. Lucky you. I have worked at worse places where the culture imposed by management encouraged rapid disposal of trouble reports by any means possible. You just had to remind me of this. I thought I had successfully repressed these memories. At one place there was a manager who was an exceptionally nasty piece of work. She was entirely nontechnical and non IT -- her previous management experience was directing an assembly line for Nike sport shoes. She managed the software development process for failure, I think intentionally. The worse things got the more people she could justify hiring in her deparment and the more defacto control she had over the company. She had this bizarre belief that every problem could (SHOULD! WOULD!) be fixed in two days. Typo in an SQL script? Two days to fix. Object class for messages between the server and data collection client needs to be revised from the top down? Two days to fix. While her division foundered under the weight of over a couple dozen developers and QA testers six of us in the unix development department were making payroll for the entire company. Of course, you can guess which group was actually viewed as important. So when the company neglected to pursue further development contracts for the unix products we were transferred to HER barnyard. I saw people repeatedly fix problems by causing other bugs which were then fixed later by reinstating the original bug. It was horrible to watch. Everyone from the original unix development shop left in the space of a couple months. Now I need to restart my visits to the therapist. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] looking for Mplayer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 12 May 2007 22:16, William Biggs wrote: I looking for Mplayer for 10.2 and the dvd iso of 10.2 youll find everything you need in this guide. http://www.softwareinreview.com/cms/content/view/60/ - -- powered by OPENSuSE 10.2 athlon i386 GNU/Linux http://reillyblog.com http://norwichlinuxusersgroup.com 10:42pm up 23:59, 1 user, load average: 0.20, 0.24, 0.11 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGRnuBlUTSIL6z5CARAsARAJwMOU18fYYHiV0upMIGLHHfUCZ7iACfdjcD td4N4AUlC32zaJR63NAkpEw= =ae3A -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems
On Saturday 12 May 2007 07:08, Patrick Shanahan wrote: You make valid points and ask good questions, then you go bonkers as if your meds gave way. I suppose you also debate with an ak47. heh... no... sorry No, we is the USA use the M16 to settle our debates... its a little bulkier, maybe not as good in water... but still all in all a nice peace... I mean piece. sigh The main response point I failed to make directly, for which I am sorry, is that reiserfs is stable... very stable. When it fails--- its not reiserfs that fails... its the hardware... always. (almost always) That's why I put the FAQ up there, and that is why I pointed everyone to the buglist, and that is why I pointed y'all to the namesys benchmarks and buglist... because reiserfs failures (at this point) are 99.% hardware related period. What is interesting is that an HD will run with failures on EXT3 where the same HD will fail running reiserfs. The tolerances on reiserfs are not as forgiving... but the bottom line is that the EXT3 file system will eventually fail also as the HD continues to degrade. Reiserfs also is prone to failure with certain chipsets... notoriously the VIA chipset particularly in the Pentium II AMDK5 -6 era. Again... not because there is anything wrong with reiserfs, but because the hardware tolerances were off. The answer to my question--- why to hundreds of thousands of machines run just fine without failure on reiserfs?--- its valid. And the answer is simple... because reiserfs is stable as a rock. The main point for the entire discussion is that openSUSE should NOT drop reiserfs --- they should embrace it, continue to sponsor it, and continue to drive Reiser4 towards mainline inclusion in the kernel. Its a good filesystem... and it works well for openSUSE. Plus, that would demonstrate one of the primary advantages of open source software. Ps. Sorry for the snippet about your data backup practices... too much caffeine... however, in my own defense I would offer the suggestion that it might be better to say you lost a drive vs you lost data. I have lost dives many times... but I have never lost data... I know Iknow--semantics. peace -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
On Saturday 12 May 2007 19:38, John Andersen wrote: On Saturday 12 May 2007, Registration Account wrote: The concept of quality in creation and testing of new code they produce myself is in my opinion - extremely poor, If you had to restate that into meaningful english, how would you rephrase it? In other words: What in the hell did you mean? Taking 2 posts in the same style, it seems that personal frustration talks. Skipping link to bug, A bug was of little importance even if there would be no planned changes that will fix it. One of changes is what Alexey should be aware is effort to overhaul installation: http://en.opensuse.org/Pimp_My_Installer Ideas are welcome. It is probably not in sight for 10.3, but it will be after that. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] RE: Suitable File Systems
On Saturday 12 May 2007 02:14, George Osvald wrote: If I could compare that experience with anything then I would probably mention my experience with MAXTOR drives (or superdrives). They were supposed to be superior,best, fastest and all that advertising rubbish. Yes. The folks at namesys might agree with you also. You should take a look at their FAQ and specs... most of the time (like almost without exclusion) reiserfs bugs turn out to be the hardware. I will also point out for your benefit (hope it makes you feel a little better anyway) that every single one of my own lost drives was a Maxtor drive...but to be fair... it is never a question of if your drive will go out... its a matter of when your drive will go out... and if you're running EXT3 when it goes out you're going down if you're running reiserfs when it goes out you're also going down. I hope you read the note I wrote to Pat too... but I would suspect that your experience was hardware related and not reiserfs related--- seriously. At any rate (as you might have guessed) I'm really hoping that openSUSE will reconsider on making reiserfs the default... and I hope that a good group will take the namesys folks on and help them get the Reiser4 fs into the mainline kernel soon. The filesystem is good, and its worth saving and promoting... regardless what happens with Hans. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] looking for Mplayer
On Sat, 2007-05-12 at 22:16 -0400, William Biggs wrote: I looking for Mplayer for 10.2 and the dvd iso of 10.2 If you mean the dvd iso for the dvd in the retail box you will never find it. If you mean the openSUSE dvd you will find it here: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/iso/dvd/ and additional software here: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/ -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] ATI driver problems - continued
M Harris wrote: On Saturday 12 May 2007 08:57, Jim Flanagan wrote: At this point I'd like to get back to my original defalult KDE/xorg install. I will try the ATI driver agian later, but for now I'd like to get back to the original install. How do I do this? This is really easy... ... put the machine in runlevel 3: sudo init 3 runsax2 -r or sax2 -r -m 0=radeon Sax will rebuild your install /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. (or) If this is the card you installed the machine with, then you probably still have a file called /etc/X11/xorg.conf.install you might try using that by linking to it in /etc/X11 cd /etc/X11as root rm xorg.conf ln -sf xorg.conf.install xorg.conf Hi Mike, I did the sax2 -r -m 0=radeon The test screen in sax did not look too good, but it was readable. Got back up to runlevel 5 OK, but screensaver will not run, nor will glxinfo or glxgears. I have not tried your last method yet. Tha ~install file is in /etc/X11/. Why would I use ln instead of just cp xorg.config.install xorg.config? Jim F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems
Without Prejudice:- I trust we all utilise and share our experiences here and without mentioning OT discussions, we are all after the one thing Technical Excellence. We are discussing technical issues here and a statement, as mention Specs on paper and superior technology are not always the best route. are about as relevant My gut feeling You all have given me great technical resigns to use reiser, however mostly in our technical world there is normally some type of trade off. I respect your technical reasons, however if there is any Technical disadvantage we need to look at these (unknown) and form an opinion (Me here) on what Is better. Currently without technical disadvantages, my decision is clear and I thank everyone who allowed my to pick their brain for free Scott :-D Patrick Shanahan wrote: * M Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-11-07 23:56]: On Friday 11 May 2007 21:50, George Osvald wrote: My experience with Reiser is exact opposite. Exf3 has not caused any problems to me ever. Reiser corrupted the file system a couple of times beyond the point of recovery. Also the recovery in Exf3 is much faster. Exf3 simply replays the journal and that's it. Reiser was re-playing records one by one and that usually took much longer (both tested on AMD 64 with 1GB of memory) Your reported experience is irrelevant to the discussion. Reiserfs is technically what it is... no more... no less. It is a superior filesystem to EXTx for several technical reasons which are incompatible with your experience. I would have to question your experience. This is a technical discussion, not a religious testimony. No, there are problems with reiserfs. I also lost data when a reiserfs system crashed and was unrecoverable. Since, I have moved to exf3 and have not lost data. I will stand the extra four or five minutes when I reboot every other month or so for the file system checks. Specs on paper and superior technology are not always the best route. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [opensuse] ATI driver problems - continued
On Saturday 12 May 2007 08:57, Jim Flanagan wrote: Running openSUSE 10.2, radeon 9800 pro. Thanks for any assistance. ... and another thing... ... did you try running aticonfig --initial ?? The instructions change for suse 10.2 and on... previous to 10.2 you run: aticonfig --initial --input=/blah/blah/... profile ... but on 10.2 you do not need the profile. Also, when you built the driver did you receive any errors or warnings about symbols not being resolved? The kernel sources may not be installed correctly or completely, or you may need to copy the kernel config to the sources tree and then run make dep to get the dependencies right. Also, take a look in /var/log/Xorg.log to see if there are any clues... My experience so far with the radeon card and the fglrx driver: So far its been a PITA and very flaky. My kernel kept crashing on my boys machine... anywhere from 10 to 30 minutes of use down she goes... no hits, no runs, no error messages, no panic... just dead. (very unLinux like). I have now set my AGP bios settings down to 4x , 64M apature, fastwrite off, and things seem to be stable now. I still get a double X server running even though I'm configured for one head, and only have one card/monitor. And two of the games which ship with openSUSE 10 do not play ... Amazon Queen, and Steel Blue SKy... both cause the monitor to blank... turn grey... with streaks... not good. All other 3D stuff works well, and for the most part we're happy... but I have to be honest... this is my very last ATI card, period. What we need is a 3D hardware standard with open drivers period. (ok, I'll spare you the rant) Good luck with your card. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] ATI driver problems - continued
On Saturday 12 May 2007 22:25, Jim Flanagan wrote: I have not tried your last method yet. Tha ~install file is in /etc/X11/. Why would I use ln instead of just cp xorg.config.install xorg.config? Sorry... forgot to tell you... ... I have several xorg.conf files... like this: xorg.conf.install xorg.conf.radeon xorg.conf.fglrx xorg.conf.640x480 And, I have a script that I run in a wrapper when I startx (from runlevel3) that selects the xorg.conf file (driver) I need based on what I'm going to do. For text processing I use the radeon driver... more stable... one X server... and I don't need 3D. For 3D the fglrx xorg.conf file is what is needed...the script takes the choice input and then links forinstance: ln -sf xorg.conf.fglrx xorg.conf ... creates a symbolic link in /etc/X11 that looks like this: xorg.conf -- xorg.conf.fglrx Its just a personal preference... I like symbolic links, and I make heavy use of them too. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] RE Processors
Given the choice when getting a new PC would you choose Intel Core 2 duo or AMD Athlon 64bit x 2 CPU With 1000 and 1 benchmarks and both are similar cost to me - can you help. Please don't go anywhere outside the CPU - I can do all the limiting factors of different I/O subsystems. On the other hand please don't offer example of number of instruction that can be processed in ring 0 of the CPU (for example). Thanks again everyone Scott smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [opensuse] RE Processors
On Saturday 2007-05-12 23:40, Registration Account wrote: Given the choice when getting a new PC would you choose Intel Core 2 duo or AMD Athlon 64bit x 2 CPU With 1000 and 1 benchmarks and both are similar cost to me - can you help. Please don't go anywhere outside the CPU - I can do all the limiting factors of different I/O subsystems. On the other hand please don't offer example of number of instruction that can be processed in ring 0 of the CPU (for example). I would go with AMD, because it offers quite enough performance except for those who like to live on the bleeding edge, and the AMD prices have come down a LOT now that Intel's newest CPUs have displaced AMD at the highest end of the performance scale. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
