Re: [opensuse-factory] build service
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 09:09:40AM +0100, Adrian Schröter wrote: You can use http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/ It's still somewhat experimental, but makes things easier. Hey, cool stuff ... Benji, would it be okay when we create a temporary link on http://software.opensuse.org to your page, until our real interface for software.o.o is ready ? If he says no (due to e.g. bandwith considerations) it would be nice if he gave you the code, so you can put it on http://software.opensuse.org yourself. -- Dr. Walter Gibbs: Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. -- Tron (1982) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] URL warning (Was: OpenSUSE Home Server ?)
On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 02:04:37PM +0100, jdd wrote: Birger Kollstrand a écrit : I wonder if there is an interest in making a openSUSE Home Server solution? there is, of course, I have even a hole course on it http://fr.opensuse.org/Formation_d'administrateur_Baby When I went to that page with FF 2.0, I got a warning that it was a web-forgery. Probably due to the apostrophe in the name. Somebody with more knowledge can look into it, please? I run Firefox 2.0 on SUSE 10.0 -- Listen do you hear them drawing near in their search for the sinners? Feeding on the power of our fear and the evil within us. Incarnation of Satan's creation of all that we dread. When the demons arrive those alive would be better off dead! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] URL warning (Was: OpenSUSE Home Server ?)
On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 06:23:59PM +0100, jdd wrote: houghi a écrit : On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 02:04:37PM +0100, jdd wrote: Birger Kollstrand a écrit : I wonder if there is an interest in making a openSUSE Home Server solution? there is, of course, I have even a hole course on it http://fr.opensuse.org/Formation_d'administrateur_Baby snip no problem with seamonkey :-( Neither in Lynx or w3m or Opera. It gives a warning in Firefox 2.0 in SUSE 10.0. The message I get is: This page has been reported as a web forgery designed to trick users into sharing personal or financial information. snip I think this is serious enough to start Firefox 2.0 up and check it out. You might need to turnm the following on: Edit, Preference, Security and check 'tell me if the site I'm visiting is a suspected forgery'. I have checked 'Check using a downloaded list of suspected sites' When I let Google check (and them knowing each and every site I visit) I do not get the error. Obviously also not when I disable the detection of forgery. -- Listen do you hear them drawing near in their search for the sinners? Feeding on the power of our fear and the evil within us. Incarnation of Satan's creation of all that we dread. When the demons arrive those alive would be better off dead! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] GM release
On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 07:35:06PM +0100, Christian Boltz wrote: Hello, Am Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2006 03:03 schrieb houghi: If you want rebranding for any of those, look at http://repos.opensuse.org/home:/jnweiger/SUSE_Factory/repodata/ and obviously http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_SUSE_based_distribution I have made the page http://en.opensuse.org/Rembrand as well, but there is not much to see yet. You might be interested in http://en.opensuse.org/Branding_Overview as well. Thanks. The wallpapers are already included, normaly. -- Listen do you hear them drawing near in their search for the sinners? Feeding on the power of our fear and the evil within us. Incarnation of Satan's creation of all that we dread. When the demons arrive those alive would be better off dead! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] URL warning (Was: OpenSUSE Home Server ?)
On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 10:26:22PM +, Pete Connolly wrote: I'm not getting that in FF 2.0 on 10.2 RC1 with updates. I'm running the Google toolbar as well, which complains on 'phishy' sites quite a lot. Strange, unless the Google toolbar interferes somehow with the tandard test and does an online test. snip False positive... I know that. That however does not solve the problem I and potentialy others have and getting falso positives will result in people turning the security off, or not trusting the information. It is not the Apostrophe. I also get it when I go to http://fr.opensuse.org/Bienvenue_sur_openSUSE.org or any other fr page. I have checked all the other languages and saw a pronlem also on http://el.opensuse.org/%CE%9A%CE%B1%CE%BB%CF%89%CF%82_%CE%AE%CE%BB%CE%B8%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B5_%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF_openSUSE.org Not on any of the other languages. Just Greek and French. I have absolutely no idea where this error comes from. I also would like to know what this 'downloaded list of suspected sites' is. -- Listen do you hear them drawing near in their search for the sinners? Feeding on the power of our fear and the evil within us. Incarnation of Satan's creation of all that we dread. When the demons arrive those alive would be better off dead! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] GM release
On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 09:29:19AM +0100, jdd wrote: houghi a écrit : Basicaly what people of those projects can do is first use makeSUSEdvd to get all the files and RPMs the first problem is not making the dvd (thanks to your work) but choosing what to have on it :-) Yes. When looking at the different projects, you see basicaly two directions. One for a 'small' version, be it on low end machines or small in size. The other is the education part. Perhaps it is wise to look at where these projects are similar and concentrate them. Having 5 projects doing almost the same by 5 different people comes to nothing. Having one project by the same 5 people will allow coninuety over a longer period of time. with 10.1, saving the current rpm state of a distro was tricky, I hope this is no more the case with 10.2 (but I didn't test this) Yes, you can now easily make your own patterns. The only thing you now need to do is work out these patterns and think of a way of de-selecting all RPMs that are NOT selected by the patterens. Once you have established that step, making your specific ersonalized distribution is extremely easy. So what we need is a way to see what pattern will need what RPMs and then deduct what RPMs are not needed, or am I dreaming now? -- At the source of every error which is blamed on the computer you will find at least two human errors, including the error of blaming it on the computer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] GM release
On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 02:03:26PM +0100, Monkey 9 wrote: snip FUD Please keep that for another place, not here. My appologies for replying. -- At the source of every error which is blamed on the computer you will find at least two human errors, including the error of blaming it on the computer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] GM release
On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 07:06:15PM -0600, Rajko M wrote: We thought about the problem and it is obvious that we can't agree that one size fit all. By now we have this: http://en.opensuse.org http://en.opensuse.org/SUPER http://en.opensuse.org/1_CD_Install http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE http://en.opensuse.org/JackLab already mentioned http://en.opensuse.org/MicroSUSE and more comming in, like: http://en.opensuse.org/Education If you want rebranding for any of those, look at http://repos.opensuse.org/home:/jnweiger/SUSE_Factory/repodata/ and obviously http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_SUSE_based_distribution I have made the page http://en.opensuse.org/Rembrand as well, but there is not much to see yet. Basicaly what people of those projects can do is first use makeSUSEdvd to get all the files and RPMs in one directory structure. Do all the editing (add or replace the RPMs and npow remove and replace branding) and use makeSUSEdvd to make an ISO. -- At the source of every error which is blamed on the computer you will find at least two human errors, including the error of blaming it on the computer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] new makeSUSEdvd version to be testedf
On Sun, Dec 03, 2006 at 11:34:05AM +0100, Monkey 9 wrote: Tried to contact you few times, spamfilter had caught me i guess... If you use makeSUSEdvd at houghi dot org, it should not enter my filter. The same if you just put makeSUSEdvd in the subject. I looked for your mail, but could not find your adress anywhere, so it was somehow not filterd out. I wanted to thank you for the cute prog, works allright.. (dl the DVD, is sometimes troublesome, still..) So i guess i'll keep using it... Thnaks. The option to put the entrance to the grub failed.. :-( Did you make emprovements for that one too? The option to boot the install from the HDD attracts me the most... Yes, the grub part is not uop to standard and the output need serious adjustment to make it work. If you do the changes, it does work. All installation I don't do in Parallels are with grub from the HDD. What do you have as an entrance in grub now? -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] List Reply-To
On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 03:18:50PM +0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: indeed, that is true. BUT: unfortunately not all mail clients respect these headers. Or to be more precise: most don't That's why houghi (and also I) were pointing to that fact on the list. And apparently, there are more users willing to have this set back. A question to the lists maintainer: Will the lists change back to their previous behaviour or not? -- houghi Do not toppost http://houghi.org Dr. Walter Gibbs: Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. -- Tron (1982)
Re: [opensuse-factory] Introducing the new mailinglist server
On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 09:53:04AM +0200, jdd wrote: Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : If not, the lists will run into the desert because too much answers go wrong, or they will run into starvation because people start unsubscribing because they feel penetrated by double answers (list and private). wether or not you like the new setup you may be aware that it's the very same setup of the suse-e mailing lits, one of the heaviest traffic suse one, so no, people wont go away (not for this reason, at least) The people who are affected are not those users, it is the users here that are affected and even if people don't go away, many postings will go into oblivion. I know I have alread send several mails to individuals instead of to the mailinglist. Fact is that without any cosultation, a very importad part of the mailinglist has changed. -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org You tried, and you failed, so the lesson is, never try. - Homer J. Simpson.
Re: [opensuse-factory] List Reply-Tor
On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 01:00:17PM +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote: Hi, On Friday, August 11, 2006 at 18:37:12, houghi wrote: On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 05:15:49PM +0200, jdd wrote: It is regretable that the list does not wor as before. I have not seen any complaints that the reply was send default to the list. As ml-admin i have seen plenty requests to change this. Darn, and another one send to just one person. Please if you see mails that are send only to you and it is not specificaly stated that it should have been private, be so good and forward it to the list. -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org You tried, and you failed, so the lesson is, never try. - Homer J. Simpson.
Re: [opensuse-factory] Introducing the new mailinglist server
On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 06:16:27PM +0200, jdd wrote: houghi a écrit : oblivion. I know I have alread send several mails to individuals instead of to the mailinglist. I did also. this is not really harmfull. Yes, it is. If you are commenting on a group discussion and the group does not see your reply, then people will not know what you wanted to say. This will mean that some questions are never asked and therefore never answerd. It also means that some ideas are never given and seen. Also it won't be searchable in a later event, resulting in questions asked more then once. -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org You tried, and you failed, so the lesson is, never try. - Homer J. Simpson.
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Introducing the new mailinglist server
On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 03:03:51PM +0200, Andreas Vetter wrote: What do others think about this on that list? (reply-to should go to the list) + 1 +1 Also people will start using a 'reply to all' so I get two mails. When I get a personal mail, I asume that the person does not want to mail the list for whatever reason. That will make me reply or react in a different way. (Almost send this to only Adreas. I probably have send some emails personaly that should have gone to the list) -- houghi Please to not toppost The blue light suddenly flashed on my horrified face. What a disaster! Oh, the humanity! I never thought it would happen to me. How terrifying it is to see for yourself *The Blue Screen of Death*.
Re: [opensuse-factory] List Reply-To
On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 05:15:49PM +0200, jdd wrote: * this setup is the one of suse-linux-e for years now, and that of most linux related lists And that means it should forever be that way? I think it is a very bad way to do it. The fact that everybody else is doing something does not mean it is the right way. * the correct use with all mozilla mailers is to clic on reply to all and delete the sender adress (let only the list one) Now isn't that a silly way to do it? it's in fact very regretfull that mozilla don't implement a reply to list similar with the kmail one (simply manually setup, so no header magic needed) It is regretable that the list does not wor as before. I have not seen any complaints that the reply was send default to the list. -- houghi Please to not toppost The blue light suddenly flashed on my horrified face. What a disaster! Oh, the humanity! I never thought it would happen to me. How terrifying it is to see for yourself *The Blue Screen of Death*.
Re: [opensuse-factory] Introducing the new mailinglist server
On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 06:14:04PM +0200, jdd wrote: the list is made of several people, so the use of reply to all seems the very more obvious system. No, it is not the obvious one. For me the obvious one is to asnwer to the group. That group is not 'all'. It is the readers of the mailinglist. Just as when I send a new message that I send to the mailinglist. Just as when I recieve a message that I get from the mailinglist. Why must a reply be any different? in fact there is little difference between the two setups, the problems comes because some people come from a list that uses one setup and are not acostumed to the other. I did not come from anywhere. I was here already and the administrator decided to change the settings. -- houghi Please to not toppost The blue light suddenly flashed on my horrified face. What a disaster! Oh, the humanity! I never thought it would happen to me. How terrifying it is to see for yourself *The Blue Screen of Death*.
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Hacking SuSE installation process.
On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 12:21:07PM +0200, Samuel Partida wrote: Please do not toppost. Hi Adrian, thanks for your answer, so, I think (sadly) that the only way I have now is to work directly with the released images. Really what I want to know now is about the root image that linuxrc loads at the installation process, but I think it is part of the build process. If there is any possibility and interest to document that process I offer myself to collaborate. http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_SUSE_based_distribution Although it does not have anything to do with the kernel you boot, it shows how you can alter the installation process. Also a must read is http://forgeftp.novell.com/yast/doc/SL10.0/tdg/yast2-installation.html It will most likley not answer all your questions, but it might give you some insight and perhaps even ideas on how to do what you like to do. By the way, is this the correct list for these questions? :) I would think so, yes. -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org My experience with SUSE You can have my keyboard ... if you can pry it from my dead, cold, stiff fingers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] SPAM: How to generate ARCHIVES.gz
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 11:00:16AM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote: * houghi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Aug 09. 2006 04:53]: On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 10:39:33AM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote: Thats black autobuild magic ;-) Our chief autobuild vodoo priest is on vacation currently, just be patient. Is he still on vacation? No, he's not. Find 'mk_listings' attached Thanks. Also I see references to the CVS (e.g. create_package_descr) but I don't seem to be able to find those. Could anybody give info on this? create_package_descr is part of the autoyast2-utils package. I am aware of that. So where is the version that is going to be used for 10.2 Alpha 3 that will use *.pak instead of *.sel? I understand that it is somewhere in CVS and I don't know where that would be. :-( -- houghi http://houghi.org Personally, I think most sports fans are a little gay. They'd rather watch a bunch of sweaty guys jumping all over eachother, than, say fashion TV - where hot models walk down the runway. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Mirrors are wrong on Novell
On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 03:02:30PM +0200, houghi wrote: On http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/downloads/ftp/int_mirrors.html there is at least one mirror that is not active anymore: Belgium Telenet. mirrors.telenet.be/mirrors/ftp.suse.com/ I know that I should mail the webmaster, however I think it might be better if the people who keep themselves busy with the mirrors could look into that page themselves and see what and if anything needs to change. e.g. Are Need any mirrors be deleted or added? Is the Architecture still up to date? Also a link to download.suse.com and/or download.opensuse.org would be great. While you are at it, don't forget to check http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/downloads/ftp/germ_mirrors.html as well. Nobody here having anything to do with mirrors? -- houghi http://houghi.org Personally, I think most sports fans are a little gay. They'd rather watch a bunch of sweaty guys jumping all over eachother, than, say fashion TV - where hot models walk down the runway. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Running a program when launching the SUSE install part
How can I do the following: Each time I run `yast, Software, Software Management` that I first run `createrepo /usr/src/packages/RPMS` so I don't forget to include extra files I downloaded. Would this be something usefull to ask for to be done by default? -- Listen do you hear them drawing near in their search for the sinners? Feeding on the power of our fear and the evil within us. Incarnation of Satan's creation of all that we dread. When the demons arrive those alive would be better off dead! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Running a program when launching the SUSE install part
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 01:27:31PM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: snip reasons That's more efficient, and reduces the startup time of YaST (if such a feature is added to YaST). Yes, that would be the best of both worlds. So anybody have the bugnumber? Otherwise I open a new feature request with the createrepo solution in it. Your run createrepo proposal is a workaround for a missing feature. I don't think so. createrepo is the appropriate tool to manage a repository. I don't know whether zypp is currently capable of using a naked directory of RPMs as an installation source. If it doesn't, I think that just using createrepo is a better solution than adding more complexity to zypp. I don't use zypp. I am an old fashioned YaST users. Have been using createrepo since I leared about it. Can't get much easier then using that program. :-) In the meantime, how could I edit /usr/share/YaST2/clients/sw_single.ycp (At least I asume that is the file I must edit) to run createrepo when called? -- Listen do you hear them drawing near in their search for the sinners? Feeding on the power of our fear and the evil within us. Incarnation of Satan's creation of all that we dread. When the demons arrive those alive would be better off dead! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Running a program when launching the SUSE install part
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 01:50:14PM +0200, Andreas Hanke wrote: - Not having this feature blocks Bug 167611, a showstopper (Don't say people shouldn't install RPMs from the file manager - yes, there are more efficient ways to install software than downloading individual RPMs, but I know 2 people personally and many, many ones from the web that switched away from SUSE 10.1 because of not being able to do that). Download? I have several RPMs that you could not download. Downloaded the source and use checkinstall to make the RPM. (I don't distribute them and they work for me, so don't laugh.) I also asume that the 'better way' is to use a repository. And that is just what createrepo does. It makes a repo for you. :-) Concerning the bug, should I add createrepo solution to that bug, or to 174369? The createrepo solution is not identical to downloading an RPM and installing that. That could perhaps be solved by running `rpm -Uvh file.rpm`. Unfortunatly rpm is already linked to real, but it should not be too hard to change that. Or have it as a left click and run `rpm -Uvh ...rpm`. If you want it done by YaST, a wget to /tmp and then `yast -i /tmp/file.rpm` should sove that as yast can't deal with http or ftp. -- Listen do you hear them drawing near in their search for the sinners? Feeding on the power of our fear and the evil within us. Incarnation of Satan's creation of all that we dread. When the demons arrive those alive would be better off dead! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Running a program when launching the SUSE install part
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 03:05:00PM +0200, Andreas Hanke wrote: Or have it as a left click and run `rpm -Uvh ...rpm`. If you want it done by YaST, a wget to /tmp and then `yast -i /tmp/file.rpm` should sove that as yast can't deal with http or ftp. /bin/rpm doesn't resolve dependencies, we are talking about installation of local packages with depencency resolution. Would `yast -i /tmp/file.rpm` solve that? I asume only after a createrepo (or something similar) Regarding your specific proposal of somehow integrating createrepo into the YaST GUI: Well, if there is no other solution going to be in place for 10.2, doing that might be better than not doing anything because installing RPMs from local directories is a desperately needed feature. But the approach looks strange. Actually I proposed it myself some time ago, but I don't like it. I don't think there will be a complete solution ever. If a person downloads an RPM and want to install it, it will always hapen that he did not download all of the rpms's that he needed to. The reason for that can be various and is unimportand for this discussion. As a quick hack for now, you can create a shell script like this: #!/bin/sh createrepo /usr/src/packages/RPMS /sbin/yast2 sw_single And then change /usr/share/applications/YaST2/sw_single.desktop to have Exec=/path/to/the/script/above instead of Exec=/sbin/yast2 sw_single Thanks. Didn't think it was that easy or that file. :-) By the way, using a directory like /usr/src/packages/RPMS which is world writable by default as an installation source is not secure. Consider defining %_topdir to something else in your ~/.rpmmacros file. I don't use ~/.rpmmacros. Most of the time I just download the RPMs or make them with checkinstall. The only RPM I really make is makeSUSEdvd. About /usr/src/packages/RPMS being writable by default. That is indeed a much more serious issue. You can not then use that as a default. Is there a reason that it is writabel for all? -- Listen do you hear them drawing near in their search for the sinners? Feeding on the power of our fear and the evil within us. Incarnation of Satan's creation of all that we dread. When the demons arrive those alive would be better off dead! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Running a program when launching the SUSE install part
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 07:00:42PM +0200, houghi wrote: As a quick hack for now, you can create a shell script like this: #!/bin/sh createrepo /usr/src/packages/RPMS /sbin/yast2 sw_single And then change /usr/share/applications/YaST2/sw_single.desktop to have Exec=/path/to/the/script/above instead of Exec=/sbin/yast2 sw_single Thanks. Didn't think it was that easy or that file. :-) Does not seem to work. :-( First I delete the repodata, so I am sure that it is created. When I click on 'Software Management' it does not seem to run the script I placed at Exec. It launches the When I directly run the script /usr/local/sbin/REPO_YAST it works as expected. So the only thing I can conclude is that sw_single.desktop is not the correct file to edit. To be sure, I made tried the following: Exec=/opt/gnome/bin/zenity --calendar Still the Software Management popped up. -- Listen do you hear them drawing near in their search for the sinners? Feeding on the power of our fear and the evil within us. Incarnation of Satan's creation of all that we dread. When the demons arrive those alive would be better off dead! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Running a program when launching the SUSE install part
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 07:26:33PM +0200, Andreas Hanke wrote: I don't know whether this default is really a security problem, but making it writable by root only means that only root can build RPMs unless the user sets %_topdir in his ~/.rpmmacros file. I would think that this could be a security problem if used together with createrepo. (This goes for any writable directory where you run createrepo on) e.g. 1) Make a makeSUSEdvd rpm and give it a version of 0.99 2) Wait till the new version 0.35 is out and ask the admin to install that RPM 3) He downloads the RPM and installs it with YaST. Most likely not looking what version he is installing. YaST will (re-)install the latest version. Whatever you put in that RPM is now installed. So you must see that the directories you add as an installation source can't be compromised. I am the only user, so no real danger, but on a multi-user system this can be an issue, so adding /usr/src/packages/RPMS by default is not an option, I think. -- Listen do you hear them drawing near in their search for the sinners? Feeding on the power of our fear and the evil within us. Incarnation of Satan's creation of all that we dread. When the demons arrive those alive would be better off dead! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Running a program when launching the SUSE install part
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 11:15:31PM +0200, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote: Sure, yast could do that by itself, and even on every start, but that would reduce user experience drastically for some setups (My local repo has about 500 packages..) I notice this more and more that apparently a solution must be workable always in any situation. I believe that hinders development more then it helps as it, bcause most likely there will always be an exeption. Yes, some thought needs to go into things. However due to the openness op /usr/src/packages/RPMS I do not think it is a good idea anymore. Maybe a daemon, based on inotify, that triggers the rebuild everytime the repo changes, would be a smart solution to this problem.. If I would have the knowledge on how to write such a deamon, I would. Unfortunatly I am unable to do so. :-( I've a patch pending to createrepo to speed this up considerably again, if the repo didn't change between invocations. Why is it pending? -- Run the following from the bashprompt if you have the kernel sources for I in `find /usr/src/linux/ -name *.c`; \ do A=`grep -i -A 1 -B 1 fuck $I`;if [ $A != ]; \ then printf $I \n$A \n\n; fi ;done|less - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] YaST2 package upgrade operation (was: Packagage Groupings...)
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 07:04:02PM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote: And this is still true for most enterprise systems. Sysadmins will never upgrade because a newer version is available but only because of a fixed bug or a required feature. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. :-) -- The whole principle [of censorship] is wrong. It's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't have steak. -- Robert A. Heinlein in The Man Who Sold the Moon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packagage Groupings - From Selections in 10.1 to Patterns in 10.2
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 07:19:55PM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: btw, just to make sure I got that right, can patterns be organized into a tree (i.e. do they have a hierarchy) ? e.g. Development/Database/Server As patterns can contain other patterns, I would say: yes. I really see a risk of ending up with chaos here. To continue on my analogy with RPM groups and .desktop categories: if we didn't have a closed set of options to choose from (as defined in the SUSE Package Conventions), it would be havoc and the end-user KDE/GNOME menus wouldn't be very deep. Yes and no. e.g somebody makes a pattern 'Non SUSE multi-media' that includes all the MPlayer and mad libraries. e.g. when I now select MPlayer, I get all the extra codecs as well. So what the patern would have is e.g.: MPlayer, xmms-mad and k3b-mad (Don't shoot me if this is already included when installing MPlayer) At the very least, let's keep a pattern database (or rather, just a list) to try to reuse existing patterns if they match. A database would be extremely helpfull, especially if it were outside of SUSE. That way anybody can add their patterns. Would patterns also be able to contain information about installation sources? e.g. if I use a pattern, it will offer me (or add automagicaly) to add an extra installation source? -- The whole principle [of censorship] is wrong. It's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't have steak. -- Robert A. Heinlein in The Man Who Sold the Moon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packagage Groupings - From Selections in 10.1 to Patterns in 10.2
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 09:10:05PM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote: * houghi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jul 25. 2006 19:52]: Would patterns also be able to contain information about installation sources? No. Repositories offer patterns but not vice versa. Pity. Oh well. We still need things we want to change after 10.2 comes out. :-D -- The whole principle [of censorship] is wrong. It's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't have steak. -- Robert A. Heinlein in The Man Who Sold the Moon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Packaga Groupings - From Selections in 10.1 to Patterns in 10.2
On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 04:40:29AM +0200, Andreas Hanke wrote: Hi, Pascal Bleser schrieb: Please also keep us 3rd party packagers in mind when doing all that. Creating repositories for yast2 is a pain as of now (luckily, createrepo is very easy to use but doesn't do the repo signing either). Really, the repository signing thing in 10.1 must be the worst thing you did to us: no communication or beforehand information at all, barely any documentation, no ready-to-use scripts and everyone complaining that our repositories are not signed. We don't have 40h a week to work on the RPMs we build, so it would be really nice to have some smarter scripts that do all the necessary stuff (including repo signing), just as you most probably already have for Factory. The documentation at http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Creating_a_Kernel_Module_Update_Installation_Source#Signing_a_YUM_repository Looks just like http://en.opensuse.org/Creating_a_Kernel_Module_Update_Installation_Source Would it be possible to have http://developer.novell.com/wiki linked somehow to openSUSE.org? -- First we thought the PC was a calculator. Then we found out how to turn numbers into letters with ASCII and we thought it was a typewriter. Then we discovered graphics, and we thought it was television. With the World Wide Web, we've realized it's a brochure. -- Douglas Adams. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Packaga Groupings - From Selections in 10.1 to Patterns in 10.2
On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 03:23:18AM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: Please also keep us 3rd party packagers in mind when doing all that. Creating repositories for yast2 is a pain as of now (luckily, createrepo is very easy to use but doesn't do the repo signing either). Not only the 3rd party packager, but eveybody who is interested in SUSE's processes. Really, the repository signing thing in 10.1 must be the worst thing you did to us: no communication or beforehand information at all, barely any documentation, no ready-to-use scripts and everyone complaining that our repositories are not signed. Except for the scripts that were alrerady in SUSE, I have not seen many ready-to-use scripts from SUSE. We don't have 40h a week to work on the RPMs we build, so it would be really nice to have some smarter scripts that do all the necessary stuff (including repo signing), just as you most probably already have for Factory. And, of course, please consider writing a somewhat more extensive documentation about the whole thing (even if it's just in the wiki). Not only documentation. It would be also great to have a place where we can see the scripts SUSE is using. Now it looks as if you are saying: We are open source, but we don't tell you how we do it. It is a pity that we still have to ask for a lot of information, instead of being given the information. :-( -- First we thought the PC was a calculator. Then we found out how to turn numbers into letters with ASCII and we thought it was a typewriter. Then we discovered graphics, and we thought it was television. With the World Wide Web, we've realized it's a brochure. -- Douglas Adams. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Mirrors are wrong on Novell
On http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/downloads/ftp/int_mirrors.html there is at least one mirror that is not active anymore: Belgium Telenet. mirrors.telenet.be/mirrors/ftp.suse.com/ I know that I should mail the webmaster, however I think it might be better if the people who keep themselves busy with the mirrors could look into that page themselves and see what and if anything needs to change. e.g. Are Need any mirrors be deleted or added? Is the Architecture still up to date? Also a link to download.suse.com and/or download.opensuse.org would be great. While you are at it, don't forget to check http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/downloads/ftp/germ_mirrors.html as well. -- First we thought the PC was a calculator. Then we found out how to turn numbers into letters with ASCII and we thought it was a typewriter. Then we discovered graphics, and we thought it was television. With the World Wide Web, we've realized it's a brochure. -- Douglas Adams. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packagage Groupings - From Selections in10.1 to Patterns in 10.2
On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 06:20:38PM -0700, The Nice Spider wrote: does this the purpose of pattern? or may I misunderstanding this? who send the petrol to ubuntu (gnome), xandos (kde), fox (kde), rh desktop (gnome)? better we provide official package while still include other package as extra/optional package, imho. This is SUSE (soon openSUSE), not ubuntu, xandos, rh desktop, ... The HUGE advantage is that we give real choice. Droping either would be an extremely bad move. It would say to 50% of its users: we don't care what you want. And that is saying it politely. -- We all came out to Montreux Frank Zappa and the Mothers On the Lake Geneva shoreline Were at the best place around To make records with a mobile But some stupid with a flare gun We didn't have much time Burned the place to the ground - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] SPAM: Suggestion to Bugzilla
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 12:51:33AM -0700, The Nice Spider wrote: hi, better provide the last reply by in the bugzilla, to make me easy to know that already reply by someone especially if the status un-changed. currently i must open detail bug one by one to know if there're any reply. I get an email when somebody replies. -- We all came out to Montreux Frank Zappa and the Mothers On the Lake Geneva shoreline Were at the best place around To make records with a mobile But some stupid with a flare gun We didn't have much time Burned the place to the ground - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] SPAM: Warning! SuseFirewall2 by default allow any port for INCOMING!
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 02:13:19PM +0200, jdd wrote: If you want to control _outbound_ access look into using squid, that is what it was designed for. The firewall is designed mainly for _inbound_ access control. and here, inbound mean the inside of the server itself (hence the http for external _and_ internal branches of the network) Inbound normaly means from outside of somthing into something. Incomming is perhaps a better or easier word. So it goes from outside of the server, into the server. Wether this is WAN or LAN is irrelevant. It is perfectly possible to have inbount traffic from WAN to LAN, because you need to look from the point of view of the server. Is it trafic generated by the server then it is outbound. If it is traffic for the server, then it is inbound. If the server IS the firewall, then a connection from WAN to LAN will be both inbound and outbound. Client asks the server access on port 80 - Inbound. Server passes it on the the crrect place - Outbound. -- We all came out to Montreux Frank Zappa and the Mothers On the Lake Geneva shoreline Were at the best place around To make records with a mobile But some stupid with a flare gun We didn't have much time Burned the place to the ground - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packagage Groupings - From Selections in 10.1 to Patterns in 10.2
On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 09:59:43AM +0200, Bjørn Lie wrote: Do you want some petrol to throw at that bonfire? ;-) LOL. It was indeed some bad trolling attempt. As long as WindowMaker is supported, I don't mind SUSE paying a bit attention to things like KDE and Gnome. I tried XFCE for several months, but found it lacking some bits here and there, especially in the easy of configuration. So if SUSE would help there, that would be great. That is however more XFCE development then it is SUSE development. -- houghi Please do not toppost http://houghi.org Please go to : http://tinyurl.com/aqe6y (Google site) and vote for 'Default quoting of previous message in replies' This was a broadcast from the netpolice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] makeSUSEdvd Beta GUI testers seeked
On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 12:45:22AM +0200, Chema Ollés wrote: Hi Houghi: It works to me... ;-) I use SL-10.2-alpha2 with e17 Thanks for the feedback. -- From the day the male foetus' hands grow long enough to grasp at their 'third leg', until the man in question is dead and buried, the penis is a constant source of amusement and amazement to those of the male gender. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A219061 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] sshd attacks blocked by default request
Just do the following as root:
grep sshd /var/log/messages |grep Invalid user| \
awk '{print $NF}'|sort|uniq -c|sort -n
As most people know, sshd attacks are very common. Also there are various
tools out there that can be used to block these attacks.
Would there be a possability to have such a thing included in 10.2?
Some scripts that are out there:
http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~greg/sshdfilter/
http://www.aczoom.com/cms/blockhosts
http://www.securiteam.com/tools/5JP0520G0Q.html
http://linuxmafia.com/pub/linux/security/sshd_sentry/sshd_sentry
http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/
And I am sure there are several more. I think it would help making SUSE a
bit safer and cleans up the logfiles rather nicely.
It should be something that does not run with cron, as it is to slow to
run only each minute.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] sshd attacks blocked by default request
On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 12:24:57PM +0200, houghi wrote:
Just do the following as root:
grep sshd /var/log/messages |grep Invalid user| \
awk '{print $NF}'|sort|uniq -c|sort -n
As most people know, sshd attacks are very common. Also there are various
tools out there that can be used to block these attacks.
Would there be a possability to have such a thing included in 10.2?
Some scripts that are out there:
http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~greg/sshdfilter/
http://www.aczoom.com/cms/blockhosts
http://www.securiteam.com/tools/5JP0520G0Q.html
http://linuxmafia.com/pub/linux/security/sshd_sentry/sshd_sentry
http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/
And I am sure there are several more. I think it would help making SUSE a
bit safer and cleans up the logfiles rather nicely.
It should be something that does not run with cron, as it is to slow to
run only each minute.
If you are interested, I now use http://www.aczoom.com/cms/blockhosts as
it tests each and every time when a connection is made.
The only thing I needed to edit was to let it look at /var/log/messages
and three extra lines in /etc/hosts.allow
Strangely the RPM on the site gave an error about env not being available,
so I used the gziped file.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] sshd attacks blocked by default request
On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 03:33:18PM +0200, Christian Boltz wrote: Hello, Am Sonntag, 16. Juli 2006 12:24 schrieb houghi: As most people know, sshd attacks are very common. Also there are various tools out there that can be used to block these attacks. [...] It should be something that does not run with cron, as it is to slow to run only each minute. The ipt_recent module can do this job without adding a new package: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=104602 The only problem with this: it will also block IPs that legally open more than the allowed number of SSH connections per minute - but I don't consider this a real problem, who needs more than 5 [1] new SSH connections per minute? ;-) Most users will indeed not need more then 5 new SH connection per minute from the same IP. And if they do, then most likley they have some experience with sshd servers and should be able to figure things out themselves after turning of ipt_recent. I have not enough experience in these things to know wether or not blocking IPs at that level is unwanted. Perhaps for SLED or SLES it is. The adbatage of e.g. blockhosts is that it is much easier to configure. All you need to do is edit /etc/hosts.allow It is always good to have alternatives to look at and then decide what is the best way to go. What has the least disadvatages. We agree luckily that something should be done by default when sshd is running. Talking about sshd, is there a reason that ssh 1 is still active as well by default? (or has that changed?) -- From the day the male foetus' hands grow long enough to grasp at their 'third leg', until the man in question is dead and buried, the penis is a constant source of amusement and amazement to those of the male gender. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A219061 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packagage Groupings - From Selections in 10.1 to Patterns in 10.2
On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 01:25:51PM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote: One of the critiques I often hear about YaST is that updating is too much of a chore. I think it is a generic SUSE issue, not just a YaST problem. Other distributions are able to do a version update fairly easy. With SUSE the result can be somewhat different, especially when updating a more non-standard SUSE machine. Now the standard advice is to do a new installation or at least be prepared to do a new installation if things go bad. -- houghi Please do not topposthttp://houghi.org Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. Commissioner Pravin Lal: U.N. Declaration of Rights - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 Release - and distribution rename
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 10:27:38PM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote: Torsdag 13 juli 2006 13:49 skrev houghi: Great news. Not so much the name, but taking away the confusion. You think this will end confusion? No. It will lessen the confusion. - Many of us have been trying to explain to people that the distro is SUSE Linux for the last 10 months. These people are going to be confused. The fact that we needed to explain should be a HUGE hint of how confusing it was. The majority of users still can't get it right. - Many people have been running SUSE Linux for years, but don't follow the news - they're going to be confused when they go to the store and the retail box says openSUSE. No, they won't. If they have been running SUSE for years, they will have at least heard the name openSUSE and the link with SUSE and Novell. What you sugest is the same as saying people might be confused about the Novell logo on SUSE. - I already anticipate a lot of people being confused about non-oss being available on the openSUSE dvd (assuming that'll still be the case on 10.2). And we'll still have to do a lot of explaining. Most people will expect that open means pure open source. Well, if such confusion would exist, we would have heard a LOT about it right now, as that is how the system already works in 10.1. The few pwople who are realy concerned by the complete openness or not of a distro will not buy it because it says open in the name. - There's a huge infrastructure of forums, websites, irc-channels etc. that will be obsoleted and have to change their names. Probably some of those won't change their domain name - that will cause confusion too. Ever heard of re-directions? - On the short term any name change will cause confusion - after all most people know that SUSE Linux is the correct name. It won't be the correct name after 10.2 Beta 3. And don't you remember the days that is was called S.u.S.E, or SuSE or just SUSE instead of SUSE Linux? Besides this namechange makes me feel like SLED/S is the real SUSE - and SL/openSUSE is lowest priority (kind of the same feeling I had when the package management changes were forced through after feature freeze), I expect a lot of other people will also see this as a sign of SL getting lower priority - which can harm the distro. The fact that people see this difference is already happening. I hear people taling about buying SLED instead of downloading 10.1 for whatever reason. I can not understand why that is a bad thing. Giving money to the people who develope openSUSE can not be a bad thing. I just hope that all of that extra money flows back to the developers. :-) Also hereby a lot of the history that SUSE name had is lost. The name is also too long. In other words - I don't like it. Ah, now we are at the real issue. You don't like it. Well, I don't like it either, yet it is the best option in this situation. Furthermore the namechange will steal attention from the community project. People will think openSUSE is just the name of the distro - and noone will know or care about the project. I doubt it. I think it will draw MORE attention to the site and therefore more people will be learning about openSUSE. Then it is up to us (not Novell) to make it interesting enough for people to hang on. On that note, I hope Firefox and other browsers will point to openSUSE by default intead of Novell.com ALL the people I know who actually use SUSE would have preferred to keep that name. All the people I know who likes openSUSE don't know what it's about - and don't use SUSE Linux. ALL the people I know who use SUSE AND the people I see posting prefere openSUSE. All the other people are confused by the two names gfor what they think is the same thing. All in all I think this decision is made 100% for the benefit of SLED/S - with little or no consideration for the many, many loyal and active SUSE Linux users. I again fail to see how this should be a bad thing. More money means ongoing developement for openSUSE. Current mood: Don't know whether to cry or break something. For me the cuurent mode is a hangover, but that has nothing to do with SUSE or openSUSE. On that matter I am happy. To be fair I do see some benefits: - Maybe now we can have everything on one server - unlike both ftp.opensuse.org and ftp.suse.com Also, yes. - A lot of people seem to like the name - hence it's been so damn hard trying to explain to these goofballs it's not the name of the distro. Why would all these goofballs need this explanation? If you need explaining something that abovious over and over again, then perhaps the goofballs are on to something. At first I also thought openSUSE was the name of the new distro and you can look it up how often I went into discussion that the distro was NOT openSUSE but SUSE. However I believe most of these people liked the name because they thought that openSUSE was non-Novell
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packagage Groupings - From Selections in 10.1 to Patterns in 10.2
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 11:18:00AM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: This misses some of the selections and introduces new ones. This is really a first step for discussion. I would like you to come up with better high-level proposals! Let's not discuss we need this pattern as well - but let's discuss and agree on the general framework and then let's discuss adding further patterns. A realy nice idea. How does it work? Does it still use the *.sel things, or is it something completely new? I am asking because with makeSUSEdvd if you add your own RPMs, a makeSUSEdvd.sel is made, making it possible to select during installation. So what are the technical differences between what we have and what we will get? Will adding one cause trouble over the other? Btw. we have a nice way of adding new, third-party patterns: Basically all you need is to have a lightweight add-on product that only has patterns, but no RPMs. So one could create his or her favourite package collections and make them available as an add-on source. Every repository can add patterns. And is there information on that as well? Btw. I've put the above on the wiki at: http://en.opensuse.org/Patterns Thanks. The idea is nice, yet it needs a lot of extra info to look at. -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org You tried, and you failed, so the lesson is, never try. - Homer J. Simpson. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packagage Groupings - From Selections in 10.1 to Patterns in 10.2
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 11:55:10AM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: So what are the technical differences between what we have and what we will get? Will adding one cause trouble over the other? You cannot mix selections and patterns in a product - and we will remove all selection support now. AAARRGG. Needing to re-write makeSUSEdvd again. ;-) It looks like you do all this on purpose, just to anoy me. :-D I asume that `create_package_descr` will be either completely re-written or replaced by something else? If so, would it be possible to see that? On another level, if I place *.pat files in the directory together with *.sel files, the old system does not handle them, so there should be no problem. If there are *.sel in a newer version (10.2 Alpha3) then it won't do anything with that, I asume, because it does not know what to do with it. So also no problem there (I hope) The reason for that would be using the same makeSUSEdvd for all versions. An extra if-then-else to see what is needed and I am done. :-) And is there information on that as well? Not yet AFAIK. :-( -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org You tried, and you failed, so the lesson is, never try. - Homer J. Simpson. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packagage Groupings - From Selections in 10.1 to Patterns in 10.2
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 02:29:23PM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote: It looks like you do all this on purpose, just to anoy me. :-D Yep. ;-) I thought so. ;-) Not quite. SL10.1 libzypp recognizes both and will get confused if it finds .sel and .pat files. We probably will remove .sel support from libzypp in SL10.2 rsn. OK. I will post my answer here, even though it actually is a reply to several postings in this thread. 1) On different .sel or .pat on one iso (in one directory) For me it means checking if there are .sel or .pat files and then use the correct way to install it. Will create_package_descr still be able to make .sel files, or will it be completely removed? If removed, a new program might be more interesting. A forked version if you like. This so coninuity is garanteed. I would prefere the program to be able to do both with using an option for the newer package type. 2) On the ability to save Something that realy can become interesting, as you can then save and even more imortandly share it with others. That way I can make a setup that I think is great, put it on my openSUSE.org space and let other people enjoy it. So it would be great if such an option can be read from somewhere else either during installation or later. 3) General notes. As far as I understand, I could just add OOo and then during installation will install all dependencies? What happens when I then want to deinstall OOo? Will it recognise the extra things it installed, or will that still be left behind? What about things I installed with rpm -Uvh? -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org You tried, and you failed, so the lesson is, never try. - Homer J. Simpson. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packagage Groupings - From Selections in 10.1 to Patterns in 10.2
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 09:53:40AM -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote: I think the two above should be split. I personally never use DHCP but do a lot with DNS. In fact I remove DHCP from most if not all my systems. This would force me to have on my systems DHCP. In the DNS Server would/could include SPF. SPF and DSN Server would for my uses be a better choice. I asume it still will be possible to install and/or remove individual packages. I also think it will be impossible to have a good situation for each and every person, because that would mean having an almost limitless amount of combinations. Having each and every service seperated might not be wanted, because of complexity it will bring. If the selection happens in the same way as it happens now, deselecting DHCP should not e a real problem. I can imagine that most people who use a DHCP server will also use a DNS server and perhaps also the other way around. -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org You tried, and you failed, so the lesson is, never try. - Homer J. Simpson. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packagage Groupings - From Selections in 10.1 to Patterns in 10.2
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 08:04:33PM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote: Having each and every service seperated might not be wanted, because of complexity it will bring. Define one pattern DNS Server and one DHCP Server and one DNS DHCP Server requiring both. Won't that result in too many choices? Too many choices might confuse people more then it helps them. With these two you already have three. Add e.g. Apache, postfix, MySQL and ssh and you have a multitude of choices. e.g. every single one, every combination of two, of three, four five and six. I would thing that on one side that abount of choices is good, on the other side it might become confusing and this is just for a few services. Or am I missing something? -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org You tried, and you failed, so the lesson is, never try. - Homer J. Simpson. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packagage Groupings - From Selections in 10.1 to Patterns in 10.2
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 01:35:17PM -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote: So both the above have a P Server Reguirement, Apache Requirement, but the database is a seperate requirement that may be filled by what ever choice of database/s that are wanted. I hope this explains the idea I am tring to suggest. Ah, ok. Much clearer, yes. -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org You tried, and you failed, so the lesson is, never try. - Homer J. Simpson. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packagage Groupings - From Selections in 10.1 to Patterns in 10.2
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 11:16:15PM +0200, Lars Rupp wrote: On Wednesday 12 July 2006 16:13, houghi wrote (shortened): Will create_package_descr still be able to make .sel files, or will it be completely removed? create_package_descr has never created .sel or .pat files. create_package_descr is only responsible for the creation of the /suse/setup/descr/packages* files. OK, Must be the heat in my studio, or something. I hope to see something before 10.2 Alpha 3 comes out. No need for it to be in RPM. That would make asking questions a lot easier. -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org You tried, and you failed, so the lesson is, never try. - Homer J. Simpson. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] SPAM: How to generate ARCHIVES.gz
On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 10:39:33AM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote: * houghi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jul 10. 2006 16:50]: On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 02:54:27PM +0800, James Li wrote: Hi: How to generate ARCHIVES.gz in suse dvd, thanks Nobody? I asume there is a script for this and it would be nice to bring this out in the open. Thats black autobuild magic ;-) Our chief autobuild vodoo priest is on vacation currently, just be patient. OK, thanks. Perhaps it would be nice to see more of the 'black autobuild magic' tools in general. I personaly would be interested in the tools that make the ISO's. Others might be interested in other parts. Or do you jusr run makeSUSEdvd to make the DVD iso? :-D -- houghi Please to not toppost The blue light suddenly flashed on my horrified face. What a disaster! Oh, the humanity! I never thought it would happen to me. How terrifying it is to see for yourself *The Blue Screen of Death*. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] SPAM: How to generate ARCHIVES.gz
On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 02:54:27PM +0800, James Li wrote: Hi: How to generate ARCHIVES.gz in suse dvd, thanks Nobody? I asume there is a script for this and it would be nice to bring this out in the open. -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org My experience with SUSE You can have my keyboard ... if you can pry it from my dead, cold, stiff fingers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Popup question when installing
On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 03:56:37AM +0200, houghi wrote: For some software (e.g. acroread or fortune) I am 'confonted' with a popup warning me about it. How is this achieved? I would like to add that info to the page I just made: http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_SUSE_based_distribution Nobbody? -- This space left blank intentionaly - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] SPAM: makeSUSEdvd error
On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 05:20:56PM +0800, James Li wrote: hi: I used makeSUSEdvd to combine the 5cds to one dvd. But it show No catalog found at 'cd:///?devices%3d%2fdev%2fhdb'. . Error: No proposal when selecting software. Looks as if you don'y use the latest version. 0.34 works with all versions, including the SLES and SLED beta's -- This space left blank intentionaly - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] SPAM: makeSUSEdvd error
On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 07:42:17PM +0200, jdd wrote: jdd wrote: but I guess we need some more info about the live dvd building :-) may be it's enough to work in two passes, one for the included iso and the other for the live cd? Wether or not this is posstible has nothing to do with makeSUSEdvd anymore. Also I see no RPMs. As I already have deleted the live DVD, I can't look in the *.img anymore. If you are interested, have fun and send me the patch. I have no interest in it, so I won't be looking for it. -- This space left blank intentionaly - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] skipping partition module
On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 10:31:38AM +0200, jdd wrote: So I'm pretty sure there is interest for low profile distro. Why not use one of them for that specific purpose? DSL is very good. I myself have Debian running on a 486 portable with 48MB of ram. Works great. There are many more distributions out there for low end machies. SUSE is just not one of them. -- houghi Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] New makeSUSEdvd tool
I have made an additional script to makeSUSEdvd http://houghi.org/script/makeSUSErsync What it does is rsync and then add those new RPMs to the ISO, removing the old ones. This means that you have the latest version available for software. At this moment I see only one problem. In Installation Setting, you get an error with Software, so you select that, then Details. A popup with a warning comes up about 'kdebase3-SuSE- Select do not install kdebase3-SuSE and then OK -- ry again. Accept, and the installation works for the rest as normal. I am not sure wether this is due to the script or due to the packages itself (or a combination of both). Any insight will be welcome. I am also woring on something else. Somebody gave an idea (and some code) to use autorp¹m on a 'factory' system. That way you can make a DVD iso from any factory. Working on it now. Any insight on wether this would be a good.bad idea is as welcome as info on the kdebase3-SuSE issue. ¹http://www2.autorpm.org:8080/ Unfortunatly ity does not have a maintainer anymore. Any other idea on how to do this is welcome as well. -- houghi They say pesticides have been linked to low sperm counts. In my opinion if you have bugs down there that are so bad you need to use a pesticide, you're not gonna get laid anyway. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] control.xml info
Is there any info availble on control.xml? I have found many references to the file, but not one explaining anythiong about the file. Changing the file sometimes can be obvious, like removing a module or changing a 'yes' into a 'no' or 'true' into 'false. Other things are less obvious what the alternatives might be: ui_modesimple/ui_mode and there is no way of knowing if there are things that are not included in the file that could be. -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org My experience with SUSE You can have my keyboard ... if you can pry it from my dead, cold, stiff fingers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] control.xml info
On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 07:37:06PM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote: * houghi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jun 28. 2006 18:55]: Is there any info availble on control.xml? I have found many references to the file, but not one explaining anythiong about the file. This should help you further: http://forgeftp.novell.com/yast/doc/SL10.0/tdg/yast2-installation.html#control_configuration Thanks. -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org My experience with SUSE You can have my keyboard ... if you can pry it from my dead, cold, stiff fingers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] control.xml info
On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 09:50:46PM +0200, jdd wrote: I noted several times that there are very valuable info in forgeftp. Can we link freely the wiki to this site? or is that somewhat private? If it is accesible without a password, it is available for everybody to link to. If Novell does not like it, they can remove it. So link away, I would say. ;-) It would be a pity to ignore that knowledge and re-invent everything. -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org My experience with SUSE You can have my keyboard ... if you can pry it from my dead, cold, stiff fingers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] skipping partition module
On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 10:46:30PM +0200, jdd wrote: Before I dig in YaST sources, does anybody know a simple way to skip the YaST partition module at install time. I mean, giving an already partitioned disk, install at first in a hard (compile time) given partition. it's this module that uses the most memory and block some memory disabled computers :-). autoyast uses always the hole disk, a solution could be to trigger autoyast to use a disk without erasing it :-) Edit config.xml? -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org My experience with SUSE You can have my keyboard ... if you can pry it from my dead, cold, stiff fingers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 01:41:50PM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote: kdebase3-SuSE could be changed to use createrepo instead of genIS_PLAINcache and the installation_sources replacement. Ideally, the installation_sources replacement would be called installation_sources and support the same commandline syntax as the old installation_sources. Was the old tool and its options sufficiently useful ? How do they compare to e.g. rug or smart ? It was usefull. `installation_sources -a ftp://example.com/URL` Perhaps it is that the current chain of command is not clear. There is zen, there is lybzypp, there is rug, there is yast. And I can imagine that it is confusing what to use when. http://en.opensuse.org/Zmd clears a bit things up, but it is not as clear as it used to be. Perhaps somebody with knowledge (e.g. not me) could make a re-write of http://en.opensuse.org/Examples_using_rug and change it into http://en.opensuse.org/Rug or make a generic Rug page that points towards the examples. Something that is more beginner friendly then a manpage. The fact that `rug st` does not say anything about YaST installation sources does not make things easier. A proper GUI for rug would be nice. If that could be YaST, that would be great. And I mean a single point of contact, not seperate programs, like zen-installer, -updater and -remover. -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org My experience with SUSE You can have my keyboard ... if you can pry it from my dead, cold, stiff fingers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] FSH: mysql tftp
On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 11:18:28PM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: OTOH, what's the default directory being set by MySQL builds ? At first glance, /srv/mysql would make sense, but if SUSE Linux is the only distribution on the planet that uses /srv/mysql and all the others use /var/lib/mysql (and so do the mysql.com builds), then I'm not sure it would be such a good idea... Would a symlink from /var/lib/mysql to /srv/mysql work? Or would there be issues with some things not working, because it is a symlink? -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org My experience with SUSE You can have my keyboard ... if you can pry it from my dead, cold, stiff fingers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] makeSUSEdvd and 10.2
On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 09:12:25PM +0200, houghi wrote: Another version, another problem. :-/ When I just make an iso with CD 1, I get the following problem: When I pick minimal text install at the Installation Settings at Software I get: Cannot solve dependencies automatically. Manual intervention is required (in red). * Minimum System (47.6 MB total) snip Could it be that this is due to the fact that a 1CD does not work? Will wait for Alpha2 and a working CD1. See the issue Vahis had with a 1 CD installation. As far as I can see it has to do with openssh and/or libopensc.so.2 When I either ignore the error or decide not to install openssh, the minimal installation looks good. As I can't reboot my machine and don't have a second machine to test, I can't see if there are any other issues. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] 10.2 errors
On Thu, Jun 15, 2006 at 02:59:52PM +0200, Christian Boltz wrote: I'm not sure about that. The same error message is reported in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=185024 (which seems to happen on a real system). Added that I have the same issue in Parallels. Thanks for the # Even if it is a VM, it might still be interesting to know where the error comes from to help the VM makers solver issues on their side (if that is where the issues are) -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] 10.2 errors
On Thu, Jun 15, 2006 at 09:33:58AM +0200, Stanislav Visnovsky wrote: I've seen this. File bug, I'm not aware of it. Don't forget to properly mark it as 10.2, please. #185286 -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] 10.2 errors
On Thu, Jun 15, 2006 at 10:09:27PM +0300, Vahis wrote: Why does one CD install require CD 2 because of one package? I can't remember what it was but skipping was no option. Most likely because it is an Alpha and the package ended up on the wrong CD. File a bugreport. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] 10.2 errors
Before I file a bug, I want to know wether pther people have noticed it, or if it is due to the fact that I use Parallels (a VM program). 1) No border on the popup windows during the installation 2) When I use the 1 CD installation, minimal textmode, when it goes on to the formatting, I get the following error which prevents installation: Error Failure acured during the following action: Setting disk-label of disk /dev/hda to msdos system. Error code was: -1008 -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] makeSUSEdvd and 10.2
Another version, another problem. :-/ When I just make an iso with CD 1, I get the following problem: When I pick minimal text install at the Installation Settings at Software I get: Cannot solve dependencies automatically. Manual intervention is required (in red). * Minimum System (47.6 MB total) This does not happen if I just use the standard CD1. Only with a ISO made from CD1 made with makeSUSEdvd If I go to software and then details, I get an error for openssh-4.2p1-18.i586 that there is no libopensc.co I get the same issue when I select KDE or Gnome with a 1CD made with makeSUSEdvd. This did not happen with 10.1. There I could make an iso from CD1 and use that (to test, or to add things) It does not happen when I use a CD 1-3. So why does it happen with a CD1? -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Using LVM by default for new installations?
On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 06:05:41PM +0200, Lenz Grimmer wrote: Snip AOL ;-) Do the new installation and still have what you wanted to keep. Am I correct in this idea? Yes, that's how it works. LVM scans the disk for existing volumes and the YaST2 LVM frontend lists these similar to already existing partitions. You can assign these to new mount points without formatting. One last question. So the only risk is that if one disk breaks, all your data is gone. If so, then by all means. Pitty it was not clear when it was decided to go to / and /home, Would have een great to do at the same time and would have stopped the part where people said to also have a seperate /opt, /srv, /var, /boot, /whatever. It really depends what purpose the system is used for. For a server, this might make sense. For a desktop workstation, I think a separation between the root file system and /home should be sufficient. Many people will have something like /music or /Pr0n that they share with otheres and thus not place it in /home To me it is not completely clear where in fhs you should place user data that you share with others. If Alice, Ben and Carl want to listen to music each of them has, where should you place that? `man hier` tells me that /usr should be read only. So you can't add music without root permission. /home is for the users and I do not want others snooping in my directory. I see nothing that is specificaly to share data. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Using LVM by default for new installations?
On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 08:14:44PM +0200, jdd wrote: so plain ext2 is definitively the best choice. As said, that is trivial at this point what it is. It's also a good idea to keep a separate /boot partition, just in case some old hardaware with faulty BIOS (may be there are still some around) If you have old hardware with a faulty BIOS, you can alweays edit it. I don't want it on my new hardware with a working Bios if I can avoid it. The only reason that it is needed is that you can not boot it with /boot being on LVM, otherwise please as little partiotioning as possible. We have had this discussion before with the seperation of /home and /. Please don't start it all over again. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 08:23:23AM +0200, Ulrich Windl wrote: I'm afraid that too much effort is put into making the last two categories of users happy, while in fact those are exactly the kind of users who won't be happy with Linux. They want the possibility to ruin their installation easily, and then they'll abandon Linux, because it's ruined. Or put simpler: Any cheap piece of hardware that doesn't work with Linux is a reason for not using Linux. The reason for this is also easy. Instead of comparing Linux with M$, these users will compare a pre-installed system with a non-pre-installed system. If it is possible, it would be nice as many users expect it. Those with no ideas how things work frequently have odd expectations. They are only odd, because you think they are odd. The request to have an easy way to install software is not odd at all. If many users can not figure it out you can do two things: 1) Say that all these users are idiots and do nothing 2) Listen and find a way to make it easy for these users. Read http://en.opensuse.org/Project_overview and guess wich one we should take. ;-) -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 02:39:20PM +0200, jdd wrote: houghi wrote: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:40:35PM +0200, Marcel Hilzinger wrote: You can ad the root passwort each time, if you want. But why should other users not be able to leave this step out? I click on the world and then on Configure. I can't find where to remove it. As I forgot how I got to this stage I did a new installation. This is what I get is the following: I see that there are updates available, so I click on it and then on Update. Either I add a privaleged user how can you do it? I tried and was not asked to do so nor could find this in a menu (if we speak of the red/orange quotation mark in the tray) I re-installed the system, did add a mirror, did not do the updates. This means that I have no updates. If you have updates, downgrade them. Then wait for the ball to become organge. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 07:31:42AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I already said I believe something along these lines would be useful to users even if only used in conjunction with the build service and existing suse packaging projects. It would of course be even more beneficial if many people used it, but there is no way of knowing whether anyone would adopt it. I have pointed you at projects that have done similar things and been very successful, yet you still think it is unworkable. The way you sugested it, it should be a solution for all $PROGS. I think that is unusable. Some projects will be able to pull it off. The majority won't. snip Do you have any ideas of alternative ways in which this problem might be solved, which doesn't involve users having to learn what repositories are and how to add them. No, because repositories are still needed. What COULD be done is have something like .torrent on wich you click and the repo is to be added. e.g. http://packman.mirror.example.com/somedir/suse10_1.repo or repo://packman.mirror.example.com/somedir/suse10_1 if you just want to point to a directory with not much fuss. So make it easier for the repo's to be added. That might solve some problems, but not all. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug handling
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 11:24:23AM +0200, Andreas Hanke wrote: Hi, and yet another Bug-handling related question: I have also one. How long after nothing has happend to a bug should you start taking action again and what is the correct procedure to 'ping' it? -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] One-click repository management (was: Package Management Design and Experience)
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 04:06:10PM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: - some packager from the openSUSE community (me, Packman, Novell KDE packagers, ...) makes SUSE Linux RPMs of amarok 1.4.1 - that packager sends the amarok devs a file that contains the data as described by Benjamin (see below) - the amarok devs put it on their website, in the download section (instead of just posting an URL that points to the download directory of the amarok RPMs for SUSE Linux); alternatively, they could post a link to that file on the actual repository server the packages are in OK. This is something else what I did not get from Benjamin. It seems that we were mainly talking about the same issues: The developer won't do anything. snip OK, I have already admited I don't know enough about XML, but is there a reason not to use XML? I asume (after reading below) because there already exists a .repo format. What would be needed: - define a format (dare I say a standard/specification) for those files - add MIME handlers for them (Firefox + Konqueror) that trigger a script that passes it to yast2/rug/smart/... - yast2/rug/smart/... first check whether they already have that repository in their list and, if not, they prompt the user for confirmation and then add it That was also something i was directing at: quote e.g. http://packman.mirror.example.com/somedir/suse10_1.repo or repo://packman.mirror.example.com/somedir/suse10_1 /quote Note that those .repo files can already be imported directly as smart channels: smart channel --add \ http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/KDE:Backports.repo So it already exists. It only needs to be included in YaST, lybzipp and what not. snip something like .torrent on wich you click and the repo is to be added. e.g. http://packman.mirror.example.com/somedir/suse10_1.repo or repo://packman.mirror.example.com/somedir/suse10_1 if you just want to point to a directory with not much fuss. Ugh.. what would be the point of using torrent ? Please re-read. *Something like* . And as far as I can see *something like* that already exists. It is is .repo. Great, I just invented hot water and the wheel. :-) So next step: put .repo support into YaST, ... (via browser or directly) Thanks for all the extra info. It seems we were all thinking about the same thing. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:01:10AM +0200, jdd wrote: AFAIK, there is no way (in 10.0) to manage repositories independantly (we can only add or delete one). When I see a package in Yast, I don't know from what repository it comes. YaST, Software Management, Installation Summery. There you pick a package and look at Version. It is amazing. We try to work out things for 10.2 and you are dragging us back to 10.0. Is there realy no way to make you understand that we must look forward? -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:40:43AM +0200, jdd wrote: houghi wrote: What do you mean by 'in the background'? cron job? high nice? Ah, ok. Something like YOU. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 01:47:20PM +0200, Marcel Hilzinger wrote: And implementing it both for X and curses would be a duplication of effort already put into sw_single. It's not so simple. While all other YaST modules have the same code for command line and GUI, the package manager is almost coded twice (YaST developers please correct me, if I'm wrong). This means, that yast on console is additional work. If that is the case, then coding should change in such a way that the developers only have to code once, like they do with other YaST modules. I seriously disagree with the idea that a full-featured, quasi-graphical package manager that works without X is superfluous. Did you use apt or smart? I never used yast on command line any more, when I got used to them. So I see no need for yast package manager in console mode. I use it on a semi-regurlar basis. e.g. when I ssh to my machine, I am using YaST in console. It looks like something I know. It gives me the full power of YaST. Btw: Handle YaST in console mode is not as trivial, as it might seem. So new users eighter do not know about it at all or if the know, they will have problems to use the module. It is also not so difficult so that users are not aware of how to use it. The only real problem I see is that a new user might not know that he needs to use the [TAB] to go from box to box. Furthermore a new user is normally not using theconsole mode. If he needs the console mode, he is still better off then without the console mode and just using command line. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Anybody still into SUPER?
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:07:32PM +0200, jdd wrote: Marcus Meissner wrote: Most of the optimizations found its way into the product itself ;) I see this, but the other part of the project, the 1 cd install is still usefull. If such a project still lives, I will participate If you are able to make a *.sel and a list of files that you want to use, then it is very easy. 1) makeSUSEdvd -i (with the CD's you need) 2) Edit control.xml, add your *.sel file and delete everything you don't need. (1) 3) makeSUSEdvd -C I can however imagine that the need for that is also reduced, because SUSE now has a 1CD installation, although without KDE. (1) It would not be too hard to put this in a script, so people don't need to download the whole CD. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:02:49PM +0200, Andreas Hanke wrote: Why do we need these Windows-Linux comparisons? Superuser capabilities are a genuine UNIX feature. There is nothing MS Windows-like in having an option to grant users certain permissions. Those options are available. sudoers is just for that. It shouldn't be the default, of course, but nobody seriously proposes insecure defaults. sudo exists anyway, so I fail to see the point why having such an option in the software updater can be a problem. Because it is a job for sudoer, not for the software updater to add such a function. I very much dislike the fact that I am not asked for a pasword when I run updater. If it is not an automated job, I want to enter a root password each time I do something as root. Yes, each and every time. Educating people how to manage their systems is out of scope in this discussion IMHO. If someone wants to grant permissions, he will do it anyway, does it really matter if it's the classical UNIX tool named sudo or a built-in feature of the software updater? Yes, that does matter. It is not up to the software updater. It is up to root to change sudoers. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Anybody still into SUPER?
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:48:25PM +0200, jdd wrote: houghi wrote: If you are able to make a *.sel and a list of files that you want to use, then it is very easy. Yes, I know, I've seen this already. but the point is this, what is the file list :-) That is for the interested people to find out. snip and on the dependencies many can be ignored. what ones? I believe the original person did this with trial and error. Remove everything, add what you want (e.g. a kernel and KDE), let YaST solve everything and save the *.sel file. I see this as a work for the build service. Is it a good idea or not? can the build service build distros with only the minimal set of requirements? No idea if this would be something that can be handled by that. My first guestimate would be no. Also because each person might have a different idea on what should be minimal and what not. It could be interesting to see other peoples *.sel. Yet as long as nobody realy takes a look at it, it won't happen. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:40:35PM +0200, Marcel Hilzinger wrote: You can ad the root passwort each time, if you want. But why should other users not be able to leave this step out? I click on the world and then on Configure. I can't find where to remove it. As I forgot how I got to this stage I did a new installation. This is what I get is the following: I see that there are updates available, so I click on it and then on Update. Either I add a privaleged user or I can click OK to accknowledge that I do not have the rights. If I click OK, I can't update. If I enter the rootpassword, I can always update. After entering the root password, I get: User was successfully added to zmd. The next time I am NOT asked for a password. Yes, that does matter. It is not up to the software updater. It is up to root to change sudoers. Yes. And that's how it works in 10.1. So I really do not see your problem... The problem I have is that people want to change it. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 05:53:18PM +0200, jdd wrote: That does not mean that Linux can not work with a capital U. how does mime-types works? It 'should' be done with `file`: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : file suse.mp3 suse.mp3: MPEG ADTS, layer III, v2, 32 kBits, 22.05 kHz, Monaural [EMAIL PROTECTED] : mv suse.mp3 suse.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] : file suse.txt suse.txt: MPEG ADTS, layer III, v2, 32 kBits, 22.05 kHz, Monaural Unfortunatly most will ignore that (including me) and look at the extention instead. Not a real good idea, I think. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 05:52:24PM +0200, jdd wrote: look at the nice k3b sticked progress bar Matter of taste. I hate it. :-) -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 06:53:52PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Konqueror you can already do such a thing. Browse to an RPM, click on it and then select to install with YaST. I am aware of this, this is not what I was suggesting at all. This method of installing a single rpm will only work if yast already has repositories containing all of its dependencies as sources. It is not a solution. Then what you are sugesting is not possible, or at least not workable. You are asking that developers maintain their own repository. That won't happen, even if it might be very easy to do. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 07:06:58PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not at all, of course they can do, and some might wish to. But all they would need to do is host a tiny file containing a list of packages to install their product and repositories they are available from. The developers of most software won't do this. Most likely they don't even know what repositries they need to add for each Who maintains the repository is irrelevant. The would not even have to do this, anyone could do it. They would have to know what the repository is. An example. makeSUSEdvd needs the latest version of autoyast2-utils, or at least create_package_descr So now I have to find out what repositories I must point people to for each version of SUSE. Naturaly this should then also be done for other distributions. Technicaly doable. In reality it won't work. If you see how many deveopers only give you a sourcefile or just sourcefile and a *.deb, I doubt very much that they suddenly will start adding what you want. The void is filled by repositories. The SUSE Build Server should be able to fill that void. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 07:53:50PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) Is this technically feasible? Yes b) Could it make things better for users Yes. c) Will programmers use is? No. It is not the users you need to convince. It is the thousands of people who make the software and might not even use SUSE that you need to convince. Remember that many of them can't even bother to make an RPM package. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 08:40:03PM +0200, jdd wrote: if I understand well the thing, this will be solved (well, can be right now) by the build service. it's probably made for this in the first place :-) Yes. That is what I said. The OP however told this: User visits $app's homepage That leaves out the SUSE Build Service. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] bugs or not bugs
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:43:17PM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote: Check it out here: http://en.opensuse.org/Using_10.1 I, or rather the wiki page, needs some information on the best way to disable the beagle indexing stuff. And I also need some input on howto best recompile the kernel module in case of kernel update when installing nvidia driver with tiny-nvidia-installer. I think perhaps a paragraph on Updating (configuration, ~suse/update/10.1, zen updater, YOU etc.) in 10.1 could be a good idea. Nice. Perhaps also some ndiswrapper info and how to get your wireless online if you don't have any other connection. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 05:03:03PM +0200, jdd wrote: may be better not advertise this before all the bugs are closed :-)) I disagree. Especially on this list we should look at the future. There are two processes. One is debugging or looking at the past. Another is features and looking at the future. Dragging this thread back to include bugs is not the way to go. It will suffocate the thread about current issues. Please don't go there. (No matter if the points are valid or not) Take it to another thread. snip If I can make guesses from what I've seen, the only thing that lacks is a mechanism to add automatically inst-sources. One should be able to navigate to the server and clic add. Yes. That would be very nice for many. then the command line tools. there should be a very precise documentation on how to use all the tools available. much more than what is available now. Yes. e.g. there used to be installation_sources. That seems to be gone. What is the replacement for it? Also other commandline things should be better documented. I asume I am not the only one who likes to do things on the command line. Using rpm is already difficult. I have to use it any two month (approx) and each time I have to RTFM at least 1/2hour... That is a bit over the top. I also use it very seldom. What I use is either `rpm -Uvh file.rpm` or `rpm -e program` Very seldom do I need anything else. I would not call that difficult. Just don't forget to follow by `SuSEconfig`. I think you are being unfair. On one side you complain about not having enough documentation. On the other side you complain that the documentation is too much. Do what I do. Make a file with small tricks that you sometimes use. and have a link to that file. That way the moment you need something you forgot, you can go to that file and see the little trick you used in the past. May I also say that having 20-30Gb dedicated to a local inst-source server will not be a problem in a very near future, given the price fall of Hard drive storage, so a silent, low priority, background daemon to keep such repo uptodate would be a must. Making that is not that difficult. Just rsync the directory. For installation sources, you only need to do it once. You then have everything you want. YOU should take care of the daily updates. The most important thing for me at this moment would be that I can use YaST also to download packages I install and that it make an installation source I can use. This means running createrepo or create_package_descr and do that in such a way that it does the signing automagicaly. The way I do it now is download things to /usr/src/packages/RPMS/*, do a createrepo and then use YaST to install it. At least for the stuff that is not on any of the installation sources. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 07:51:14PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: The most important thing for me at this moment would be that I can use YaST also to download packages I install and that it make an installation source I can use. Why would this be usefull for a single machine? I understand that somebody adminstrating lots of machines might like it. There can be several reasons. First if you do an installation, then a deinstallation and later again an installation, you already have it. Secondly some people just like to have the RPMs that they download. My personal reason is the following. I install a system and add several repo's. Now if I install some programs' via a repo, YaST will see that it installs the missing RPMs as well. And here is what I do, I make a DVD to hand out and it is much nicer to have the sources already there on the DVD ready for installation. It might be that others have other reasons. Look at it in a logical way. You download the RPM anyway, so why not give the user the option to save the file he just downloaded. It should be optional and wether you want it on or off by default is another discussion. Let the user decide wether or not he wants it or not. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Anybody still into SUPER?
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 05:05:19PM +0200, houghi wrote: Is there still movement with SLICK or SUPER. I don't see any recent progress and as far as I can see no 10.1 version. What I would be looking at is a file list for the 1 CD version and a *.sel file for 10.1 However if nobody is interested in it anymore, I am not going to put time and efford in it. If nobody is interested in this anymore, should we remove the pages? -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] How to make your own distro?
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 05:26:47PM +0200, houghi wrote: What files are to be edited or deleted so that it is clear that it is your own distribution based on the 3 or 5 CD set and no longer Novell's? Nobody? -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 02:05:24PM -0300, Druid wrote: Agreed with most of Benjamin. snip Is it me or is this message coming in several times? -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 11:20:21PM +0200, jdd wrote: but if you want, we can forget the actual 10.1 tests and look only at what we need as a package manager... Thank you. bug solving belongs in another thread. snip stuff I agree with I think that in most situations the version info can be retrieved lately, in the background. In most cases, peoples needs only the current version. What do you mean by 'in the background'? we need some kind of repository management. It's possible to have the same package on different repositories and we may need to use an older package for whatever reason. This is an exception from the previous stated system (ignoring the version), seldom used and so in cases we can afford to wait a little... How I see this happening is by saving what you download, not so much tghings you install from the CD or DVD, and save that in /usr/src/packages/RPMS/* for the full RPMs and wherever for the updates. For the RPMs you either need to run createrepo or create_package_descr. Perhaps createrepo might be easier, because smart and the others can use it as well. This means signing the packages and adding the directories to the apropriate places. Perhaps SuSEconfig can include such a thing. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 12:27:40AM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: Signing packages is not mandatory, nor is signing repositories. If you trust the packages and the repository (which is very likely with a copy of RPMs you grabbed from a repository on the internet.. you trust in the first place ;)), just run createrepo . on the directory that has the RPM files (or its parent directory) and you're done. So to sum it up, what needs to be done is have an option to save the RPM's you download in /some/directory, run `createrepo /some/directory` and add /some/directory as an installation source if it is not already added. Adding /some/directory can be done by default, just like the dvd now is added as default. Running /createrepo can be added to SuSEconfig. So only the RPMs need to be saved. Or am I missing something? -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 04:05:18PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Edit /etc/zmd/zmd.conf and change the sleep-interval: [Server] sleep-interval=1800 Change 1800 to something larger... Is there a maximum? Are there disadvantages if you use an extreme large sleep-interval? e.g. what happens if you do a sleepinterval of 24 hours and then use crontab to do a forced update at a moment where it does not matter, like at 04:00 or whenever you least likely are going to use it. One disadvatages I can imagine on the top of my head are unneeded load on the servers. What if you make the timeout a week, or a month, or indefinite? -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Anybody still into SUPER?
Is there still movement with SLICK or SUPER. I don't see any recent progress and as far as I can see no 10.1 version. What I would be looking at is a file list for the 1 CD version and a *.sel file for 10.1 However if nobody is interested in it anymore, I am not going to put time and efford in it. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] my XML project
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 04:56:35PM +0300, Vahis wrote: houghi wrote: I will (probably today) test what 10.1 sources can be added and which ones still give problems from the external repo's from http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories At least packman and guru give no worries when added at least with rug. When added, the globe goes orange and updates work. I added Amarok 1.4 from Guru with the Zen installer GUI, that went well, too. See if there's problems with the others, I only added those two. I tried till now only Schiele and that one did not work. As soon as I know who does or does not have a working 10.1, I can look into why (mostlikely the signing) and ask the individuals to do the signing or put them online, if possible. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 05:55:18AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: Real problem is that during beta testing there were no [EMAIL PROTECTED] update servers available for testing, just a new beta every week, so none of the Zen stuff (practically the only reason for the 10.1 release) ever got any testing. It would be indeed helpfull if there would be an update directory available on factory. This directory does not need to have any security rpms, but to test updates, some RPM's and scripts and whatever would be nice. Changes can be done to just textfiles, like the 'Release Notes' and the like. Just one of each type of update that is possible. (complete RPM, delta RPM, script, ...) That way we can test the concept and see what happens. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
