Re: Viewfinder registration

2004-11-15 Thread Lon Williamson
My question with regard to this thread is:
How difficult is it to test and repair registration
problems, assuming a competent repair person is
handed the camera?  Anyone had experiences?
-Lon


Re: macro teleconverters

2004-11-15 Thread Lon Williamson
We've got two Vivitar A macro TCs here; the one I use
typically gets slapped on a Kiron 105 macro or a K 135 to give
me a cheap long macro lens.  Works well enough that I
no longer feel the need for an expensive 200 macro.
Pentax, AFAIK, did not make a TC with variable extension.
Pentax DID make a variable extension tube, though, and you
can still buy it (as well as both tube sets, the 50mm tube,
and the 100mm tube) from BH.
-Lon
Don Sanderson wrote:
I don't believe Pentax ever did.
I own 2 of the Vivitars, 1 M and 1 A version.
I'm quite pleased with both, before I owned true macro lenses
one of the Vivitars and an A 50/1.4 made a very nice 100mm
F2.8 macro.
Don



Re: OT: Reducing File Size with Photoshop

2004-11-15 Thread Lon Williamson
Here's a neat trick:  Reduce the file size in one big
mushy step, then use Focus Magic.  It does a very nifty
job of demushing in this situation.
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I recently heard that the best way to reduce a large file to one that's
substantially smaller is by using a step-by-step process rather than just
making the reduction in one step. I've numerous 4000ppi scanned BW film
images of about 40mb and I want to reduce it to 100ppi with a wide
dimension of 800-900 pixels. Does anyone know what the procedure is for
doing a step-by-step reduction?  I tried it by going from 4000ppi to
2000ppi to 1000ppi, etc., but the results were soft and mushy.  Is there a
better way to reduce the size and rez of such files?
Shel 





Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-15 Thread Carlos Royo
Jens Bladt escribió:
I did some quick tests - and now it seems to have improved to the same
performance as the Tokina 2.8-4.3 28-70mm at 28mm and still much better at
70mm. It's still not as impressive as it used to be. Not as sharp as the
(very expensive) SMC FA 2.8/28-70mm.
Yes, I agree. If I could afford the FA 28-70 mm 2.8, no doubt I would 
have bought it. But it is a question of getting what you pay for. 
Anyway, my Tokina is an excellent lens for the price.

As for flare: I don't have the original tulip shaped lens hood anymore. I
droped it in the sea from a chopper sometime ago. I use a metal hood, I got
from a water damaged, later version. I think it's not quite as effective as
the original hood. At 28mm the front element is almost at the front of the
lens barrel. I guess there's not much flare protection at 28mm.
You are right. The original hood is to shallow to provide adequate 
masking at 28 mm.



RE: DS

2004-11-15 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Chris Stoddart wrote:

 Out of interest, in the UK BestCameras are now offering the *istDS for
 £759.99 inc a 18-55mm lens. Says it's due Nov/Dec.

 http://tinyurl.com/3o2sp

http://parkcameras.co.uk are on the same wavelength.

Kostas



Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-15 Thread Carlos Royo
William Robb escribió:
Well cripes almighty Carlos!
How can you get on your high horse and make a statment like that without 
making formal, scientific, error free tests.
Don't you realize that visual impressions gotten by long experience in 
the field don't mean shit around here?
Haven't you figured out that in order for a statement to be valid you 
have to test the equipment six ways from Sunday?
You just don't get it do you?
You have to test your equipment on a test bench, seek out every possible 
flaw in it and toss out anything that is less than perfect.
If you don't do it that way, you are just a hack photographer, and a 
dumb one at that.
Go back to shooting swimming pools and stop wasting our time here.

HAR!!!
It's a joke.
I'm afraid now it is too cold and windy in town to go to the nearest 
swimming pool and shoot some frames ;-)
Seriously, the only test I have performed in the last few years has 
been a series of shots of an IT8 target with a pair of different films, 
in order to build an ICC profile of those films to use such profiles 
with Vuescan.
Previously, I also shot a resolution target to see what was the real 
resolution of my Epson scanner, but I haven't returned to that 
scientific path since.



Re: A Question About Macro Lenses

2004-11-15 Thread Lon Williamson
I only own older extension only macros; from what I gather from
reading, zoomy zoom macros suffer no light falloff when close-focusing
but may lose a bit of focal length.  Sounds like a good trade-off to
me.
-Lon
Rob Studdert wrote:
I find using macro lenses at non-macro distances most often more advantageous 
than not. I see (and test) no optical deficit for one (over regular lenses of 
comparable quality, FL and speed) and secondly I only have to lug a single lens 
for the FL to cover a multitude of shooting situations. I'd still like to see 
indisputable proof of just how inferior my zoomy zoom zoom type macros are over 
the old fixed lens designed macros in normal shooting situations.



Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.

2004-11-15 Thread Nick Clark
The same argument would apply to CF vs PC Card (PCMCIA) memory cards, but where 
are they? SD cards will be cheaper and higher capacity than CF in the future 
due to the demand from their use in PDAs, phones, MP3 players, etc. CF will go 
and Pentax will be  een as having led the pack into the future.

Nick


-Original Message-
From: Rob Studdert[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 But, since SD is increasing capacity, and the
 price is coming down,as a new user there seems to be little benefit to 
using CF.
  IOW, I see them as about the same, both suited to their purpose.

What I was alluding to is that at any point in time the maximum memory 
capacity 
per silicon is the same regardless of containers in which they are placed, 
ie 
SD will never catch up unless manufactures purposefully neglect the CF 
product 
line. CF are now at 8GB and SD are 2GB, the larger the solid state memory 
option the less we will need to rely upon sensitive and power hungry 
electro-
mechanical devices for bulk storage in the field.
  



Re: A Question About Macro Lenses

2004-11-15 Thread Rob Studdert
On 15 Nov 2004 at 6:25, Lon Williamson wrote:

 I only own older extension only macros; from what I gather from
 reading, zoomy zoom macros suffer no light falloff when close-focusing
 but may lose a bit of focal length.  Sounds like a good trade-off to
 me.

I'd say that's a pretty accurate assumption WRT FL, my V125/2.5 looks to be 
just a tad over 100mm FL when approaching 1:1 mag. However in a recent little 
test I made comparing my V to an older bellows lens the V seemed to need about 
a half stop extra exposure a any aperture to equal the old lens exposure wise.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



RE: A Question About Macro Lenses

2004-11-15 Thread Rob Studdert
On 15 Nov 2004 at 7:23, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

 Unless the 125mm zoomed out to 62.5mm at 1:1, it is
 going to need exposure compensation.

Of course you are correct, I was simply drawing a relative comparison to 
another lens.

 What you have is essentially
 a variable aperture zoom with that lens, how do
 do you know what exposure compensations to use?

I don't really care but I do know now that relative to a non-zoom macro lens 
it requires about an extra half stop when approaching 1:1. I haven't used 
external meters for macro photography since the late 80's. Then I had a 67 and 
bellows and I was glad to get my hands on a TTL prism.

 Does the lens barrel have exposure compensation
 markings on it?

No
 
 At least with a fixed focal length and aperture you
 can calculate the correct compensations based on
 magnification or bellows extension, but with
 variable aperture those techniques won't work...

..or you (I) could use the TTL metering, which I do quite successfully.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW

2004-11-15 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
I see good black hair detail on Copper.
Of course one could get picky about pose, etc.
But there's no real need to do so.  Very good work, Dave.

When you get to a darkroom to make some prints, it wold be nice to see one at 
each of grades 2, 3, and 3 1/2.

Sincerely,

C. Brendemuehl

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realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.'   Ronald Reagan 
 





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Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.

2004-11-15 Thread Keith Whaley

Keith Whaley wrote:
[...]
Actually, what you mean is, 35mm format won out over all the dozen or 
other film sizes attempted over the years.
The same thing will likely happen to digital cameras. I imagine we'll 
end up with two sizes in the end.
While I suspect 35mm film is overwhelmingly dominant, you still CAN get 
120 film here and there.
What will win out?
I meant which digicard, not which film!  g   [kw]
It looks like CF at the moment, maybe SD will be the second?
I don't know how xD or SmartMedia is progressing.
My little Optio S4 uses SD/MMC. At least that's one commitment for 
Pentax... g

keith whaley



RE: Help me find a flash/umbrella bracket

2004-11-15 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Hi Collin,

Do these have the bracket with them to mount a hot
shoe style flash on?  I can only see an umbrella?

Thanks for the info.!

They're fairly general-purpose.
There's a bracket avaialble for connecting a handle-type flash.
The post on the back has a threaded head so you can mount a shoe slave and set 
a shoe flash on top of it.

These are long brackets, about 2 1/2 ft.  Nice for the home studio.  

The Manfrotto shoe/clamp mentioned earlier is what I'd get if I wasn't already 
using this type.  The onlyl issue there is the closeness of the flash to the 
umbrella.  But just put a wide angle diffuser on your flash and you're set.  
And you can use a shave shoe under the flash.  They're pretty cheap on eBay.  
Like $10-$15 or so.

Sincerely,

C. Brendemuehl

'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to 
realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.'   Ronald Reagan 
 





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RE: A Question About Macro Lenses

2004-11-15 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Unless the 125mm zoomed out to 62.5mm at 1:1, it is
going to need exposure compensation.

What you have is essentially
a variable aperture zoom with that lens, how do
do you know what exposure compensations to use?
Does the lens barrel have exposure compensation
markings on it?

At least with a fixed focal length and aperture you
can calculate the correct compensations based on
magnification or bellows extension, but with
variable aperture those techniques won't work...

JCO

-Original Message-
From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 7:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Question About Macro Lenses


On 15 Nov 2004 at 6:25, Lon Williamson wrote:

 I only own older extension only macros; from what I gather from 
 reading, zoomy zoom macros suffer no light falloff when 
 close-focusing but may lose a bit of focal length.  Sounds like a good

 trade-off to me.

I'd say that's a pretty accurate assumption WRT FL, my V125/2.5 looks to
be 
just a tad over 100mm FL when approaching 1:1 mag. However in a recent
little 
test I made comparing my V to an older bellows lens the V seemed to need
about 
a half stop extra exposure a any aperture to equal the old lens exposure
wise.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.

2004-11-15 Thread Keith Whaley

William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.

OK ... your points are valid, to a point.  As a user who has not sunk any
money into CF cards, and a minimal amount into a few memory sticks, 
I'm not
wedded to the CF concept, although, admittedly, I kind of like CF cards.
However, one reason I like them is because they had/have the largest
capacity and many purchasing options.  But, since SD is increasing
capacity, and the price is coming down,as a new user there seems to be
little benefit to using CF.  IOW, I see them as about the same, both 
suited
to their purpose.  For someone who has a lot invested in CF, I can
certainly understand their preference.

The problem as I see it is that either way, they are going to irritate 
their customers (not that Pentax ever seems concerned about that).
If this is the start of a trend, and they continue it into a new high 
spec camera, they irritate present istD users who want to upgrade.
If it is not the start of a trend, and they put out a high spec camera 
that uses CF cards, they irritate the istDS user who is looking for an 
upgrade path.

As for the comment about CF getting phased out, ultimately to be followed
by the phasing out of SD cards, well, that's what you get when you go
digital. The cameras, and all else associated with them, are a product
designed to promote obsolescence.
Oh damn! I missed that prediction! Get rid of CF and SD, whither next?
And why would those cards go anyhow?
Having missed the statement, maybe I also missed the rationale...if 
there was any.

At some point, enough people will just say fuck you to the manufacturers 
and boycott new purchases until the companies that deliberately 
obsolesce support equipment pull their heads out of their asses.

Film shooters have had a capture format standard (35mm film cartridges) 
for almost 80 years.
I think digital shooters should be demanding the same respect.

William Robb
Actually, what you mean is, 35mm format won out over all the dozen or 
other film sizes attempted over the years.
The same thing will likely happen to digital cameras. I imagine we'll 
end up with two sizes in the end.
While I suspect 35mm film is overwhelmingly dominant, you still CAN get 
120 film here and there.
What will win out?
It looks like CF at the moment, maybe SD will be the second?
I don't know how xD or SmartMedia is progressing.

My little Optio S4 uses SD/MMC. At least that's one commitment for 
Pentax... g

keith whaley


Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.

2004-11-15 Thread Rob Studdert
On 15 Nov 2004 at 11:24, Nick Clark wrote:

 The same argument would apply to CF vs PC Card (PCMCIA) memory cards, but 
 where
 are they? SD cards will be cheaper and higher capacity than CF in the future 
 due
 to the demand from their use in PDAs, phones, MP3 players, etc. CF will go and
 Pentax will be  een as having led the pack into the future.

Wishful thinking. You would happen to own an ATRAC, DAT, DCC, SA-CD or HD-CD 
audio player? There's nothing like leading the pack :-)


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW

2004-11-15 Thread brooksdj
Thanks Bruce.
She's pretty attached to her owner. Iwas suprised i got her to stand this long 
with out
running over to 
him.
I have a head/shoulder shot i'll scan and see how that looks.

Dave

 Dave,
 
 That is a nice shot!  The background is great and having him standing
 up on the rock...The only improvement I can think of would be to have
 him looking directly at you.
 
 Bruce
 
 
 Saturday, November 13, 2004, 5:19:45 PM, you wrote:
 
 bcin Got busy Friday night and developed a few rolls of Tmax
 bcin 100 from Sept and October. Some
 bcin swamps 
 bcin and Split rail fences on roll two,but i like this one of
 bcin Copper. Very over cast day,in the
 bcin hills of 
 bcin Madawaska Ontario,K1000 with 35-80 4.5/5.6 zoom,developed
 bcin in Tmax developer. I went over
 bcin the time 
 bcin by 35 sec cause i was not paying attention to the stop
 bcin watch.g(It was Friday night after
 bcin all.LOL)
 
 bcin Hope you enjoy and comments welcome.  
 
   
 bcin http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/copper2.jpg   
 
 bcin Dave
 
 
 
 
 






Re: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW

2004-11-15 Thread brooksdj
 Should have been  - champion
 
 Kenneth Waller

UnderstoodvbgThanks for the comment.

Dave




Re: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW

2004-11-15 Thread brooksdj
Thanks Peter. I saw her jump on the rock and i just knew i had to get that 
shot.:-)

My daughter and i would love to get a chocolate lab one day. They are a great 
dog,but take
up a lot of 
time for training and we just dont have that at the moment. MAYBE after next 
show season
if the horse 
gets sold.

Dave 

 That's a very nice shot of Copper, almost a 
bread standard 
 illustration.  He appears to have a very proud bearing which
 you caught perfectly.
 





RE: A Question About Macro Lenses

2004-11-15 Thread J. C. O'Connell
TTL is fine but a lot of people do
Macro with strobes (myself included),
and I am not aware of any SLR cameras
that can do TTL flash metering.

My technique is I use a flash meter, calculate
bellows factor exposure compensation, and determine
a base fstop. But even then I usually bracket
unless I have used exact same lighting setup, film speed,
lens and magnification, etc.

I would imagine with a DSLR its just a matter
of running a few exposures and adjust fstop
until you get what you want on the image review
screen.

JCO

-Original Message-
From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:46 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: A Question About Macro Lenses


On 15 Nov 2004 at 7:23, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

 Unless the 125mm zoomed out to 62.5mm at 1:1, it is
 going to need exposure compensation.

Of course you are correct, I was simply drawing a relative comparison to

another lens.

 What you have is essentially
 a variable aperture zoom with that lens, how do
 do you know what exposure compensations to use?

I don't really care but I do know now that relative to a non-zoom
macro lens 
it requires about an extra half stop when approaching 1:1. I haven't
used 
external meters for macro photography since the late 80's. Then I had a
67 and 
bellows and I was glad to get my hands on a TTL prism.

 Does the lens barrel have exposure compensation
 markings on it?

No
 
 At least with a fixed focal length and aperture you
 can calculate the correct compensations based on magnification or 
 bellows extension, but with variable aperture those techniques won't 
 work...

..or you (I) could use the TTL metering, which I do quite successfully.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



RE: A Question About Macro Lenses

2004-11-15 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

 What you have is essentially
 a variable aperture zoom with that lens, how do
 do you know what exposure compensations to use?

You don't, TTL calculates things for you.

Kostas



Re: A Question About Macro Lenses

2004-11-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
Most SLR cameras made in the last 25 years or so can do TTL flash 
metering. The LX does it quite nicely. When checking exposures with a 
DSLR, you don't want to rely on the image review. It can be very 
misleading. You really have to look at the histogram.
On Nov 15, 2004, at 8:30 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

TTL is fine but a lot of people do
Macro with strobes (myself included),
and I am not aware of any SLR cameras
that can do TTL flash metering.
My technique is I use a flash meter, calculate
bellows factor exposure compensation, and determine
a base fstop. But even then I usually bracket
unless I have used exact same lighting setup, film speed,
lens and magnification, etc.
I would imagine with a DSLR its just a matter
of running a few exposures and adjust fstop
until you get what you want on the image review
screen.
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:46 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: A Question About Macro Lenses
On 15 Nov 2004 at 7:23, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
Unless the 125mm zoomed out to 62.5mm at 1:1, it is
going to need exposure compensation.
Of course you are correct, I was simply drawing a relative comparison 
to

another lens.
What you have is essentially
a variable aperture zoom with that lens, how do
do you know what exposure compensations to use?
I don't really care but I do know now that relative to a non-zoom
macro lens
it requires about an extra half stop when approaching 1:1. I haven't
used
external meters for macro photography since the late 80's. Then I had a
67 and
bellows and I was glad to get my hands on a TTL prism.
Does the lens barrel have exposure compensation
markings on it?
No
At least with a fixed focal length and aperture you
can calculate the correct compensations based on magnification or
bellows extension, but with variable aperture those techniques won't
work...
..or you (I) could use the TTL metering, which I do quite successfully.
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



RE: A Question About Macro Lenses

2004-11-15 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

 TTL is fine but a lot of people do
 Macro with strobes (myself included),
 and I am not aware of any SLR cameras
 that can do TTL flash metering.

I probably don't understand what you mean by TTL flash metering. All
Pentax AF, the Super-A and the LX do TTL flash metering during
exposure (off the film/sensor). They quench the flash.

I guess the strobes are not controllable like that or sth?

Kostas



RE: Help me find a flash/umbrella bracket

2004-11-15 Thread alexander
Yes you need a hot shoe that screws onto the umbrella
adapter. Either 1/4 or 3/8 thread. There is a
genuine pentax adapter that screws into the umbrella
adapter. This one allows the use of dedicated flash
functions (such as TTL, contrast control etc.). I
think it is termed off-camera shoe adapter F (- don't
mix it up with the hot shoe adapters F and FG that do
not have a tripod mount).
Alexander 

- Original Message - From: Steve Pearson
Subject: RE: Help me find a flash/umbrella bracket

 Thanks for the suggestion.  However, I don't think
 this will work for what I'm trying to do.  I'm
trying
 to mount a hot shoe style flash, say a Vivitar
285,
 and then bounce it into an umbrella.  Maybe I did
not
 see the flash mount on this bracket???

 I'm sure Larson makes such a thing. I have a couple
of them for my
 old portable system, pretty sure they were Larson.
 Have you checked with Porter's? They used to carry
all sorts of neat
 little adaptors and stuff.
 
 William Robb




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Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.

2004-11-15 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Peter J. Alling
Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:42:10 -0800

It's also possible that Pentax needed to go to the SD card 
in the *ist-Ds to fit into the form
factor available. It's a bitch for those who have CF cards 
but Pentax needs a selling point, they've
gone for Smallest, it's easily understandable and entry 
level buyers will look at it and possibly disregard
the CF vs SD problem. If they need an upgrade path they can
get a SD to CF converter. It's those looking
for an inexpensive backup body who are screwed.

Smaller.  Hmmm.  Should this not have been the istDM?


Sincerely,

C. Brendemuehl

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realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.'   Ronald Reagan 
 





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Another very nice shot. Your trip was an obvious success, at least in 
terms of the photography. Thanks for sharing.
Paul
On Nov 13, 2004, at 2:40 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

 Seems about half of my posts the last day or two have not made it to
 the list.  So I'm hoping this one does.

 Taken on 17 Mile Drive between Carmel and Monterey.
 Pentax *istD, Sigma 55-200/3.5-5.6 DC, Handheld, Manual Focus

 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/pinnacles_0088.htm


 In case you didn't get the post for the last one:
 Pentax *istD, DA 16-45/4, circular polarizer, handheld:

 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/pinnacles_0032.htm


 Comments welcome.


 Bruce



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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:45:50 -0500
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Really? The Mac jockeys you know must be very deluded. I  can't imagine 
not selecting one's color space or scratch disk. For example, if you 
don't choose your preferences, the startup disk will be the scratch 
disk. To get good performance from PS on a Mac you need a firewire hard 
drive with a lot of empty space as your scratch disk. If you print PS 
documents from a Mac, you want to set up PhotoShop for ColorSynch. And 
as noted before, the bicubic interpolation is not always the best. I 
can't believe that anyone who uses a Mac for photography and has any 
notion of what they're doing would use all of the default preferences.

On Nov 13, 2004, at 1:29 PM, Herb Chong wrote:

 the Mac jockeys i know tend not to look for preferences and always 
 leave
 everything just the way it came. Bicubic is the default out of the box 
 and i
 wonder why anyone would ever change it.

 Herb...
 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 9:09 AM
 Subject: Re: OT: Reducing File Size with Photoshop


 The file size change preference in General Preferences. I think
 everyone knows how to set those. The default is Bicubic Better.
 Bicubic Smoother seems to give better interpolation when upsizing.
 I'm not certain, but I think it's irrelevant when downsizing. However,
 getting back to Shel's question, one step downsizing is better than a
 mutitude of steps. The same is reportedly true of upsizing
 (interpolation).



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you went like 
Try it yourself and then comment.  I've done it 

Re: unsubscribe

2004-11-15 Thread Steve Jolly
Don't do that, it's *extremely* rude.
S
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Re: unsubscribe

2004-11-15 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Nasty boy! Especially considering long digest that you send to us
mindlessly... Wouldn't that be better to ask on the list how to
unsubscribe???

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Re: unsubscribe

2004-11-15 Thread Peter J. Alling
Burgess, Otto (LNG-DAY) wrote:
snip entire digest
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Especially if you keep posting the entire digest back to the list.
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Re: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW

2004-11-15 Thread brooksdj
  I see good black hair detail on Copper.
 Of course one could get picky about pose, etc.
 But there's no real need to do so.  Very good work, Dave.

Thanks very much Collin.

 
 When you get to a darkroom to make some prints, it wold be nice to see one at 
 each of
grades 2, 3, and 3 1/2.

Winter is fast approching,so i need something to do on weekends. :-) 
I use Ilford or Agfa's RC multi purpose pearl papers. I have Ilford 
filters,which i think
you are refering 
to,or is it the paper.

Dave
 
 Sincerely,
 
 C. Brendemuehl
 
 'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to 
 realize that it
bears a very close resemblance to the first.'   Ronald Reagan 
  
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: unsubscribe

2004-11-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: Steve Jolly 
Subject: Re: unsubscribe


Don't do that, it's *extremely* rude.
Shucks Steve, now your probably going to give me heck too..
William Robb


Re: A Question About Macro Lenses

2004-11-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: A Question About Macro Lenses


At least with a fixed focal length and aperture you
can calculate the correct compensations based on
magnification or bellows extension, but with
variable aperture those techniques won't work...
Your question applies to when ttl flash control is not available, 
such as when using studio strobes.
Since all my cameras have a built in meter, I use the continuous 
light meter to render an accurate assessment of the required exposure 
compensation by measuring how many stops of light I lose when 
extending the lens from infinity to the focus point.

William Robb



Re: unsubscribe

2004-11-15 Thread William Robb
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From: Burgess, Otto (LNG-DAY) 
Subject: unsubscribe


Not likely, girly-boy.
WW


RE: A Question About Macro Lenses

2004-11-15 Thread J. C. O'Connell
See my last post, TTL Auto Flash is not same as TTL
flash meteringAnd yes I would think most studio
type strobes do not interface with the camera even if
you wanted to do TTL AUTO flash...

JCO

-Original Message-
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: A Question About Macro Lenses


On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

 TTL is fine but a lot of people do
 Macro with strobes (myself included),
 and I am not aware of any SLR cameras
 that can do TTL flash metering.

I probably don't understand what you mean by TTL flash metering. All
Pentax AF, the Super-A and the LX do TTL flash metering during exposure
(off the film/sensor). They quench the flash.

I guess the strobes are not controllable like that or sth?

Kostas



Re: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW

2004-11-15 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
brooksdj
Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:14:25 -0800

Winter is fast approching,so i need something to do on weekends. :-) 
I use Ilford or Agfa's RC multi purpose pearl papers. I have Ilford 
filters,which i think you are refering 
to,or is it the paper.

You can do it with filters or with graded papers.
Use filters if you have variable contrast papers.
That's what most people do.
Have fun.

Sincerely,

C. Brendemuehl

'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to 
realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.'   Ronald Reagan 
 





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RE: A Question About Macro Lenses

2004-11-15 Thread J. C. O'Connell
TTL flash metering is not the same a TLL AUTO FLASH.
TTL flash metering gives you the correct fstop value to use
with a fixed (usually maximum output) flash power.

TTL Auto flash on the other hand uses a fixed fstop
and adjusts the flash power DOWN to match that fstop
via TTL. Not the same and not as good when you need
maximum light

JCO

-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Question About Macro Lenses


Most SLR cameras made in the last 25 years or so can do TTL flash 
metering. The LX does it quite nicely. When checking exposures with a 
DSLR, you don't want to rely on the image review. It can be very 
misleading. You really have to look at the histogram.
On Nov 15, 2004, at 8:30 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

 TTL is fine but a lot of people do
 Macro with strobes (myself included),
 and I am not aware of any SLR cameras
 that can do TTL flash metering.

 My technique is I use a flash meter, calculate
 bellows factor exposure compensation, and determine
 a base fstop. But even then I usually bracket
 unless I have used exact same lighting setup, film speed, lens and 
 magnification, etc.

 I would imagine with a DSLR its just a matter
 of running a few exposures and adjust fstop
 until you get what you want on the image review
 screen.

 JCO

 -Original Message-
 From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:46 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: A Question About Macro Lenses


 On 15 Nov 2004 at 7:23, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

 Unless the 125mm zoomed out to 62.5mm at 1:1, it is
 going to need exposure compensation.

 Of course you are correct, I was simply drawing a relative comparison
 to

 another lens.

 What you have is essentially
 a variable aperture zoom with that lens, how do
 do you know what exposure compensations to use?

 I don't really care but I do know now that relative to a non-zoom 
 macro lens it requires about an extra half stop when approaching 1:1. 
 I haven't used
 external meters for macro photography since the late 80's. Then I had
a
 67 and
 bellows and I was glad to get my hands on a TTL prism.

 Does the lens barrel have exposure compensation
 markings on it?

 No

 At least with a fixed focal length and aperture you
 can calculate the correct compensations based on magnification or 
 bellows extension, but with variable aperture those techniques won't 
 work...

 ..or you (I) could use the TTL metering, which I do quite 
 successfully.


 Rob Studdert
 HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
 Tel +61-2-9554-4110
 UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998




Re: Bit Depth confusion! (Long)

2004-11-15 Thread Graywolf
I think your problem is not realizing you are comparing two very different 
things here.

First off color depth is really shades of one color. Whether 8, 12, or 16 bits 
you are still talking about the shades of the color from white (no color) to 
black (100% color). The difference is how many shades you can divide it up into. 
Is that clear?

Second colors (as on the screen) is a combination of all the color channels. 
They are talking about, for instance, 3 channels of 8 bits each (64^3) = 262144 
(so called) colors, or 256K in octal(base8).

Now when your expand your file from say the 12 bits (from the camera) to 16 bits 
(in photoshop) all you are doing is taking that 256 shades of one color and 
filling in (by interpolation) the blanks with calculated intermediate values.

The 12bits in the camera is simply padded out to 16 bits because our computers 
these days are all based upon module-8 (that was not always so back when they 
were made up of discrete components). That is the 16 bits have  
values (where the * indicate data bits, and the x indicate no data (padding) bits).

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
-
Don Sanderson wrote:
(Warning to scientific types: Some numbers are rounded to keep me reasonably
sane)
A  .PEF (12bit) file is ~12MB or ~2B per pixel.
A .TIF file (16bit) is   ~36MB or ~6B per pixel.
A .TIF file (8bit) is ~18MB or ~3B per pixel.
**If this is correct so far continue, if not stop and correct me.
Without further processing:
8 bits can describe 256 colors.
12 bits can describe 4096 colors.
16 bits can describe 65536 colors.
**If this is correct so far continue, if not stop and correct me.
.PEF files use 2B per pixel because you have to use 2Bytes to store the
12bits.
.PEF files open in PS CS as 16bit files because they ARE 16bit files.
PS CS can save these .PEF files as 8bit or 16bit .TIF files.
PS Elements can ONLY open and save .TIF files in 8bit.
**If this is correct so far continue, if not stop and correct me.
I am running my monitor at 32bit color depth, that's over 32 million
possible colors.
**If this is correct so far continue, if not stop and correct me.
Irfanview tells me my 8bit .TIF file contains 910727 unique colors.
Irfanview tells me my 16bit .TIF file contains 909879 unique colors.
Both these files were created from a .PEF file in PS CS, the .PEF file
was imported into CS as is  using the CS converter.
It was then saved as 8 bit and 16 bit  .TIFs from CS with no manipulation
of any kind.
WARNING: **Now for the Dumb Don questions:**
1.) If the D has only 12  bits to describe each pixel, where do
all these thousands of colors come from? I know each pixel is one color,
is it the *converter* that figures out from adjacent pixel information how
to determine the color of EACH pixel to a resolution of many thousands
of colors?
2.) I didn't know till today that PS Elements was using only 8 bit .TIFs.
Irfanview indicates that for this particular file 8 bits holds MORE color
info than the 16 bit version. Why/How?
3.) Obviously an 8 bit .TIF file resolves far more than 8 bits
(256 colors) per pixel and must use all of the 24 bits alloted
to each pixel to do this. (I realise these bits store other info as well.)
So what is the distinction between an 8 bit and 16 bit .TIF?
Would these more accurately be called 24bit and 48bit .TIFs?
Or is this more an indication of the platform and software
requirements than the file structure?
I think I've answered a lot of my own questions by typing this
all out but I'd still like some clarification or correction to my
jumbled thoughts. ;-)
TIA
Don (NOW, for dinner and a few aspirin..)




Re: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW

2004-11-15 Thread Christian


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/14/2004, 4:19 AM:

 
  http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/copper2.jpg

Great looking dog and a great pose.  Is she a hunter?  She doesn't have 
the new AKC-Labrador-Retriever-breed-standard-short-fat look about her.

-- 
Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW

2004-11-15 Thread brooksdj
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/14/2004, 4:19 AM:
 
  
   http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/copper2.jpg
 
 Great looking dog and a great pose.  Is she a hunter?  She doesn't have 
 the new AKC-Labrador-Retriever-breed-standard-short-fat look about her.
 
 -- 
 Christian
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

  Yup. Its my buddies bird dog. Trained her from a wee pup.She's 2 1/2 or 3 
years old.
Memory fart here, sorry.:-)Lives for water.LOL

Thanks for the comments,BTW.

Dave




Re: unsubscribe

2004-11-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/11/04, Steve Jolly, discombobulated, unleashed:

Don't do that, it's *extremely* rude.

S

Could you please restate your post in blocks of 8.




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Photoshop Elements 3 review posted

2004-11-15 Thread Cotty
Now with RAW support. 'Photoshop for the rest of us' apparently

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/adobeelements3/




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Re: OT: Reducing File Size with Photoshop

2004-11-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi,

When the file size is reduced in one step, using Bicubic or Bicubic
Sharper, there is no mushiness.  It's only when reducing by steps, or
increments, did the mushiness appear.  Focus Magic is an interesting
program, but I'd much rather use good Photoshop techniques and implement
them well than to rely on plug-ins and programs to do the work for me. 
Since posting the original question I've learned a couple of techniques
that can only improve the quality of reduced files without having to rely
on outside programs or plug-ins, and which also allow for very precise
local sharpening, contrast control, and the like.

Thanks for your suggestion.  For now, at least, I'll pass on it.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 11/15/2004 2:45:09 AM
 Subject: Re: OT: Reducing File Size with Photoshop

 Here's a neat trick:  Reduce the file size in one big
 mushy step, then use Focus Magic.  It does a very nifty
 job of demushing in this situation.

 Shel Belinkoff wrote:

  I recently heard that the best way to reduce a large file to one that's
  substantially smaller is by using a step-by-step process rather than
just
  making the reduction in one step. I've numerous 4000ppi scanned BW film
  images of about 40mb and I want to reduce it to 100ppi with a wide
  dimension of 800-900 pixels. Does anyone know what the procedure is for
  doing a step-by-step reduction?  I tried it by going from 4000ppi to
  2000ppi to 1000ppi, etc., but the results were soft and mushy.  Is
there a
  better way to reduce the size and rez of such files?
  
  Shel 




Re: OT: Reducing File Size with Photoshop

2004-11-15 Thread pnstenquist
I've never really experienced a mushiness problem with downsized files. It 
seems that if one starts with a nice sharp, high-res image, it's hard to wreck 
it by making it smaller. I had to downsize some 72 meg tiffs for web use this 
weekend. I tried doing it with Bicubic, Bicubic Smoother, and Bicubic Sharper. 
The three resulting jpegs (13 inches on the long side, 72dpi) were identical to 
my eye, even when wearing my glasses :-). But since the consensus appears to be 
that Bicubic Sharper is better for downsizing, I'll continue to use it, while 
using Bicubic Smoother for upsizing.
Paul


 Hi,
 
 When the file size is reduced in one step, using Bicubic or Bicubic
 Sharper, there is no mushiness.  It's only when reducing by steps, or
 increments, did the mushiness appear.  Focus Magic is an interesting
 program, but I'd much rather use good Photoshop techniques and implement
 them well than to rely on plug-ins and programs to do the work for me. 
 Since posting the original question I've learned a couple of techniques
 that can only improve the quality of reduced files without having to rely
 on outside programs or plug-ins, and which also allow for very precise
 local sharpening, contrast control, and the like.
 
 Thanks for your suggestion.  For now, at least, I'll pass on it.
 
 Shel 
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 11/15/2004 2:45:09 AM
  Subject: Re: OT: Reducing File Size with Photoshop
 
  Here's a neat trick:  Reduce the file size in one big
  mushy step, then use Focus Magic.  It does a very nifty
  job of demushing in this situation.
 
  Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
   I recently heard that the best way to reduce a large file to one that's
   substantially smaller is by using a step-by-step process rather than
 just
   making the reduction in one step. I've numerous 4000ppi scanned BW film
   images of about 40mb and I want to reduce it to 100ppi with a wide
   dimension of 800-900 pixels. Does anyone know what the procedure is for
   doing a step-by-step reduction?  I tried it by going from 4000ppi to
   2000ppi to 1000ppi, etc., but the results were soft and mushy.  Is
 there a
   better way to reduce the size and rez of such files?
   
   Shel 
 
 



Re: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW

2004-11-15 Thread brooksdj
 You can do it with filters or with 
graded papers.
 Use filters if you have variable contrast papers.
 That's what most people do.
 Have fun.
 
 Sincerely,
 
 C. Brendemuehl

I use the variable paper and have the filters.Maybe this weekend as its 
supposed to rain
both days.

Dave




PAW PESO - Air Mail

2004-11-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Just a silly snap, referencing something Frank mentioned a while back. 
Maybe someone has a suggestion for evening out the tonality in the sky,
which is really why I posted this image instead of one of some similar pics.

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/mailboxes/airmail.html

Shel 




Re: PAW PESO - Air Mail

2004-11-15 Thread Keith Whaley
Hey! Good for my first chuckle of the day, and it's only Monday!
Like the old joke, it's a good start!  g
Thanks,
keith
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Just a silly snap, referencing something Frank mentioned a while back. 
Maybe someone has a suggestion for evening out the tonality in the sky,
which is really why I posted this image instead of one of some similar pics.

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/mailboxes/airmail.html
Shel 



OT - Paparazzi doc on TV in UK

2004-11-15 Thread Cotty
Tonight (Monday) on BBC 3

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/tv/paparazzi.shtml




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Re: OT: Reducing File Size with Photoshop

2004-11-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
After playing around with this a lot over the past week or so, I am not
convinced that Bicubic Sharper is ~better~ than Bicubic, they just afford
different results.  It's quite possible - it seemst to be true based on the
number of images I've experimented with - some images lend themselves to
Sharper better than others.  The problem with Sharper is that the user has
no control over the results unless using other techniques, such as multiple
layers.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 11/15/2004 9:00:06 AM
 Subject: Re: OT: Reducing File Size with Photoshop

 I've never really experienced a mushiness problem with downsized files.
It seems that if one starts with a nice sharp, high-res image, it's hard to
wreck it by making it smaller. I had to downsize some 72 meg tiffs for web
use this weekend. I tried doing it with Bicubic, Bicubic Smoother, and
Bicubic Sharper. The three resulting jpegs (13 inches on the long side,
72dpi) were identical to my eye, even when wearing my glasses :-). But
since the consensus appears to be that Bicubic Sharper is better for
downsizing, I'll continue to use it, while using Bicubic Smoother for
upsizing.
 Paul


  Hi,
  
  When the file size is reduced in one step, using Bicubic or Bicubic
  Sharper, there is no mushiness.  It's only when reducing by steps, or
  increments, did the mushiness appear.  Focus Magic is an interesting
  program, but I'd much rather use good Photoshop techniques and implement
  them well than to rely on plug-ins and programs to do the work for me. 
  Since posting the original question I've learned a couple of techniques
  that can only improve the quality of reduced files without having to
rely
  on outside programs or plug-ins, and which also allow for very precise
  local sharpening, contrast control, and the like.
  
  Thanks for your suggestion.  For now, at least, I'll pass on it.
  
  Shel 
  
  
   [Original Message]
   From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: 11/15/2004 2:45:09 AM
   Subject: Re: OT: Reducing File Size with Photoshop
  
   Here's a neat trick:  Reduce the file size in one big
   mushy step, then use Focus Magic.  It does a very nifty
   job of demushing in this situation.
  
   Shel Belinkoff wrote:
  
I recently heard that the best way to reduce a large file to one
that's
substantially smaller is by using a step-by-step process rather than
  just
making the reduction in one step. I've numerous 4000ppi scanned BW
film
images of about 40mb and I want to reduce it to 100ppi with a wide
dimension of 800-900 pixels. Does anyone know what the procedure is
for
doing a step-by-step reduction?  I tried it by going from 4000ppi to
2000ppi to 1000ppi, etc., but the results were soft and mushy.  Is
  there a
better way to reduce the size and rez of such files?

Shel 
  
  




Re: OT - Paparazzi doc on TV in UK

2004-11-15 Thread Keith Whaley
Awww, dang! Yet another fine BBC program I can't get over here... sighhh.
keith whaley
Oh! Almost forgot:  Cheers ~ and keep your pecker up, mates!   g
Cotty wrote:
Tonight (Monday) on BBC 3
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/tv/paparazzi.shtml

Cheers,
  Cotty



RE: OT - Paparazzi doc on TV in UK

2004-11-15 Thread Rob Brigham
Br - you beat me to it!

Add BBC4 to the list tonight too though - if you haven't seen it before:

Frank Hurley: The Man who Made History (BBC4 Monday, 15.11.2004
21:30-22:30)

A look at the life and work of photographer Frank Hurley, who captured
some of the earliest images of the world's most remote places. The
cinematographer on Ernest Shackleton's doomed Endurance expedition to
the Antarctic, Hurley also photographed both World Wars and explored New
Guinea. But today's experts believe some of his pictures to be elaborate
fakes.  Was he a giant of photography or just a conjurer with a camera?



 
  

-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 15 November 2004 18:04
To: pentax list
Subject: OT - Paparazzi doc on TV in UK

Tonight (Monday) on BBC 3

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/tv/paparazzi.shtml




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Re: OT - Paparazzi doc on TV in UK

2004-11-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/11/04, Keith Whaley, discombobulated, unleashed:

Awww, dang! Yet another fine BBC program I can't get over here... sighhh.

Keith, Tell you what - I'm recording these docs on VHS, I've got the
Robert Frank doc and the Helena Wosname model-turned-photog already and
will put this doc on the same tape. When it's full, if you like, I can
post it to you and you can view and send it back to me.

Otherwise you'll have to emigrate ;-)




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RE: Over to the Dark side.. ist D vs 20D brief comparison

2004-11-15 Thread Rob Brigham
Read this:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinion_text.asp?prodkey=canon_eos2
0dopinion=23637

Har!



Re: OT - Paparazzi doc on TV in UK

2004-11-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/11/04, Rob Brigham, discombobulated, unleashed:

Br - you beat me to it!

;-)




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RE: OT - Paparazzi doc on TV in UK

2004-11-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
A little more on the subject:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/22/1093113057723.html

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 11/15/2004 10:14:09 AM
 Subject: RE: OT - Paparazzi doc on TV in UK

 Br - you beat me to it!

 Add BBC4 to the list tonight too though - if you haven't seen it before:

 Frank Hurley: The Man who Made History (BBC4 Monday, 15.11.2004
 21:30-22:30)

 A look at the life and work of photographer Frank Hurley, who captured
 some of the earliest images of the world's most remote places. The
 cinematographer on Ernest Shackleton's doomed Endurance expedition to
 the Antarctic, Hurley also photographed both World Wars and explored New
 Guinea. But today's experts believe some of his pictures to be elaborate
 fakes.  Was he a giant of photography or just a conjurer with a camera?



  
   

 -Original Message-
 From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 15 November 2004 18:04
 To: pentax list
 Subject: OT - Paparazzi doc on TV in UK

 Tonight (Monday) on BBC 3

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/tv/paparazzi.shtml




 Cheers,
   Cotty


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RE: Over to the Dark side.. ist D vs 20D brief comparison

2004-11-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
ROTFLMAO

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Read this:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinion_text.asp?prodkey=canon_eos20do
pinion=23637




Re: Multiple exposures with * ist D

2004-11-15 Thread Jostein
I've only tried this once, and IIRC, it doesn't work exactly the same
way as it did on Z-1.
The Z-1 would subtract some time from each exposure to make the final
result correct.
I think the *istD doesn't do that, but rather take all exposures
straight according to the meter.
Jostein
- Original Message - 
From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:20 PM
Subject: Multiple exposures with * ist D


 Any listers have experience using this function?
 I'd like to hear of your experience/comments on using this function.
Was
 exposure acceptable etc?

 Kenneth Waller




Re: Evil! EVIL! EEEVIL!

2004-11-15 Thread Jostein
Have a nice trip, Bob.
Careful with your back!
Jostein
- Original Message - 
From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: Evil! EVIL! EEEVIL!


 Damn! Folding focusing hood for the 67. Two more 120 and two more
220 film
 holders for the 645 and a Bogen 3251 tripod, long strap  3039 head.
I'm in
 deep trouble! Good thing I don't have a wife! Off to the top of
Saddleback
 mountain for some scenics...

 Regards,
 Bob...




Re: OT - Paparazzi doc on TV in UK

2004-11-15 Thread Bob W
Hi,

Monday, November 15, 2004, 6:11:18 PM, Rob wrote:

 Br - you beat me to it!

 Add BBC4 to the list tonight too though - if you haven't seen it before:

 Frank Hurley: The Man who Made History (BBC4 Monday, 15.11.2004
 21:30-22:30)

 A look at the life and work of photographer Frank Hurley, who captured
 some of the earliest images of the world's most remote places. The
 cinematographer on Ernest Shackleton's doomed Endurance expedition to
 the Antarctic, Hurley also photographed both World Wars and explored New
 Guinea. But today's experts believe some of his pictures to be elaborate
 fakes.  Was he a giant of photography or just a conjurer with a camera?

that's a very interesting documentary - it was on a few months ago.
I'd only heard of him for his Shackleton photos, but the rest of his
career was also very interesting. Quite a man.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: OT - Paparazzi doc on TV in UK

2004-11-15 Thread Bob W
Hi,

Awww, dang! Yet another fine BBC program I can't get over here... sighhh.

 Keith, Tell you what - I'm recording these docs on VHS, I've got the
 Robert Frank doc and the Helena Wosname model-turned-photog already and
 will put this doc on the same tape. When it's full, if you like, I can
 post it to you and you can view and send it back to me.

Incompatible standards might be your downfall. I tried something
similar for Shel a couple of years ago, and even had the tape converted
to the US standard, but the quality was apparently so poor at the
other end it was unwatchable.

Unless you have privileged access to some specialist kit, of course.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: 20x30 from 6MP?

2004-11-15 Thread Joseph Tainter
Bruce wrote:
I just had MPix.com print up quantity 10 - 20X30 inch prints.  They
looked very nice.  Beyond standard prepping for printing, I did not
res them up at all.  My local lab tells me that their Epson 7660
resizes files very nicely.  I'm guessing that MPix resizes them for
printing.
--
Bruce, what do you do about sharpening in an order like this?
Thanks,
Joe


Re: OT - Paparazzi doc on TV in UK

2004-11-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/11/04, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

 Keith, Tell you what - I'm recording these docs on VHS, I've got the
 Robert Frank doc and the Helena Wosname model-turned-photog already and
 will put this doc on the same tape. When it's full, if you like, I can
 post it to you and you can view and send it back to me.

Incompatible standards might be your downfall. I tried something
similar for Shel a couple of years ago, and even had the tape converted
to the US standard, but the quality was apparently so poor at the
other end it was unwatchable.

Unless you have privileged access to some specialist kit, of course.

Hmm. I can watch NTSC tapes on my PAL vhs machine - if Keith's vhs can
see PAL, it should be okay?




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Annother pile of test shots

2004-11-15 Thread Jens Bladt
I have now published my next testboard. This time it's lenses at focal
length 35mm (@ f2.8  4.0  5.6  8.0)

Tokina AT-X 270AF PRoII
Tokina 2.8-4.3 28-70mm
Pentax SMC F 4-5.6 35-80mm
Pentax SMC M 2.8 35mm
Similar test shots done with these lengts will follow shortly: 28mm, 50mm
and 70mm.



The pixelation of 6MP digital shots, saved as 300ppi jpegs is limiting the
judgement of the performance of the lenses.
The differences between the lenses would increase at a higher resolution
such as 35mm film, I suppose.



Shel and Rob: I believe the Pentax SMC M 2.8 35mm is doing well, compared to
the zoom lenses.


http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p9164139.html

http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p9164140.html

All the best

Jens


Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt








Re: Over to the Dark side.. ist D vs 20D brief comparison

2004-11-15 Thread Sam Jost
Yup, some just have too much money. This had been a question in a local 
pentax forum a few days ago, too, someone who asked if the *istD could not 
show a live preview.

He accepted it ok, the really sad thing was: his dealer told him it could 
show a live display.

Ah well, local shops - when I aked for the price of a SMC-A 50/1.2 in 
january the local dealer tried to persuade me to buy a sigma that was 'even 
faster and cheaper' then the 1:1.2/50, a 1:1/50 from sigma for half the 
price!

He was looking at a macro lens 2.8/50 with 1:1 macro ratio. I bought my 
*istD at some internet shop who was way cheaper and knew a lot more about 
what he sold.

Sam
- Original Message - 
From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 7:17 PM
Subject: RE: Over to the Dark side.. ist D vs 20D brief comparison


Read this:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinion_text.asp?prodkey=canon_eos2
0dopinion=23637
Har! 



Re: Multiple exposures with * ist D

2004-11-15 Thread Bruce Dayton
The *istD way makes more sense to me - leaves you in control of amount
of exposure for each shot.

Bruce


Monday, November 15, 2004, 10:44:03 AM, you wrote:

J I've only tried this once, and IIRC, it doesn't work exactly the same
J way as it did on Z-1.
J The Z-1 would subtract some time from each exposure to make the final
J result correct.
J I think the *istD doesn't do that, but rather take all exposures
J straight according to the meter.
J Jostein
J - Original Message - 
J From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
J To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
J Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:20 PM
J Subject: Multiple exposures with * ist D


 Any listers have experience using this function?
 I'd like to hear of your experience/comments on using this function.
J Was
 exposure acceptable etc?

 Kenneth Waller







Re: Over to the Dark side.. ist D vs 20D brief comparison

2004-11-15 Thread Peter J. Alling
A case of the brain drain, his brain is draining...
Rob Brigham wrote:
Read this:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinion_text.asp?prodkey=canon_eos2
0dopinion=23637
Har!
 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke




Re: OT - Paparazzi doc on TV in UK

2004-11-15 Thread Bob W
Hi,

 Hmm. I can watch NTSC tapes on my PAL vhs machine - if Keith's vhs can
 see PAL, it should be okay?


Might not go the  other way. I can also watch NTSC on mine. But it
records as PAL (I assume). I had that converted, sent it to
California, but apparently it was unwatchable. Maybe Shel remembers
and can tell you more.

It occurs to me that it should be possible to receive on your computer
(if you have a TV receiver card) and perhaps save it as an MPEG or
something, and send that.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob




Re: 20x30 from 6MP?

2004-11-15 Thread Kevin Waterson
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:56:05 -0700
Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bruce wrote:
 
 I just had MPix.com print up quantity 10 - 20X30 inch prints.  They
 looked very nice.  Beyond standard prepping for printing, I did not
 res them up at all.  My local lab tells me that their Epson 7660
 resizes files very nicely.  I'm guessing that MPix resizes them for

I simply resize the files in The GIMP and send them off for 30x40

works fine
Kevin

-- 
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. 
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.



Re: Over to the Dark side.. ist D vs 20D brief comparison

2004-11-15 Thread brooksdj
He'll have the same problem with the Nikon to.
LOL

Dave
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 7:17 PM
 Subject: RE: Over to the Dark side.. ist D vs 20D brief comparison
 
 
  Read this:
  http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinion_text.asp?prodkey=canon_eos2
  0dopinion=23637
 
  Har! 
 






RE: Annother pile of test shots

2004-11-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I think you better take another look at the comparison photos.  They don't
seem to match up with their designations.  All I see are air force target
tests.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 11/15/2004 11:03:49 AM
 Subject: Annother pile of test shots

 I have now published my next testboard. This time it's lenses at focal
 length 35mm (@ f2.8  4.0  5.6  8.0)

 Tokina AT-X 270AF PRoII
 Tokina 2.8-4.3 28-70mm
 Pentax SMC F 4-5.6 35-80mm
 Pentax SMC M 2.8 35mm
 Similar test shots done with these lengts will follow shortly: 28mm, 50mm
 and 70mm.



 The pixelation of 6MP digital shots, saved as 300ppi jpegs is limiting the
 judgement of the performance of the lenses.
 The differences between the lenses would increase at a higher resolution
 such as 35mm film, I suppose.



 Shel and Rob: I believe the Pentax SMC M 2.8 35mm is doing well, compared
to
 the zoom lenses.


 http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p9164139.html

 http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p9164140.html

 All the best

 Jens


 Jens Bladt
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt









Rumor of DA 50-200

2004-11-15 Thread Joseph Tainter
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=11073371
I hope they make it a constant f4. If it's another cheap, variable 
aperture telezoom, I'll probably pass. Since the excellent SMC F 70-210, 
Pentax hasn't done too well with those.

If it was a conservative zoom range, say 50-150, we could probably be 
confident that it would be a good lens. At 50-200, it is harder to predict.

Joe


Re: PAW PESO - Air Mail

2004-11-15 Thread Jostein
Missed the original here (again), but here's a suggestion for evening
out the sky gradient.

In Photoshop, use the Eyedropper to select the darkest hue you want
the gradient to be based on.
Then swap background and foreground colour, and use the Eyedropper to
select the lightest hue.

Use the Magic Wand to select the sky area (had some trouble with the
antenna on the web version, but I gueess it'll be OK on a full version
of the pic), and apply a small dash of feathering. Then use the
Gradient tool to apply a linear gradient from the lower right to the
upper left corners and see what happens. To have a bit more control,
one can copy the selected sky into a new layer and apply the gradient
there.

Jostein

- Original Message - 
From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: PAW PESO - Air Mail


 Hey! Good for my first chuckle of the day, and it's only Monday!
 Like the old joke, it's a good start!  g

 Thanks,

 keith

 Shel Belinkoff wrote:

  Just a silly snap, referencing something Frank mentioned a while
back.
  Maybe someone has a suggestion for evening out the tonality in the
sky,
  which is really why I posted this image instead of one of some
similar pics.
 
  http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/mailboxes/airmail.html
 
  Shel




Re: Photoshop Elements 3 review posted

2004-11-15 Thread Christian


Cotty wrote on 11/15/2004, 11:09 AM:

  Now with RAW support. 'Photoshop for the rest of us' apparently
 
  http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/adobeelements3/

It's very good actually.  I bought it the other day and then 2 days 
later got PS CS as a gift.  Anyone want an opened-box almost new PSE 3 
(windows version) cheap?


-- 
Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Over to the Dark side.. ist D vs 20D brief comparison

2004-11-15 Thread John Francis
Sam Jost mused:
 
 Yup, some just have too much money. This had been a question in a local 
 pentax forum a few days ago, too, someone who asked if the *istD could not 
 show a live preview.

Indeed.   I'm sure it's going to be a common question from first-time
DSLR purchasers, especially if they are upgrading from a digital PS.

I don't think it's a particularly stupid question - you need to know
a great deal about the internal implementation detail of a DSLR before
you even know how (let alone why) this capability is rendered impossible.

I think sneering at the purchaser, or dismissing him as having more money
than sense, says rather more about the disparager than about the customer.
I suspect I'm probably among the more technically oriented in this group,
but when I first played with a DSLR (a Nikon D1, back when they were new)
I wondered why it still made noises as though it had a shutter.

 He accepted it ok, the really sad thing was: his dealer told him it could 
 show a live display.

Unfortunately you can't really believe most sales staff.  It's usually just
ignorance, but there are still some commisson-based product pushers with
rather elastic morals (around here they seem to end up working for Frys :-)

 Ah well, local shops - when I aked for the price of a SMC-A 50/1.2 in 
 january the local dealer tried to persuade me to buy a sigma that was 'even 
 faster and cheaper' then the 1:1.2/50, a 1:1/50 from sigma for half the 
 price!
 
 He was looking at a macro lens 2.8/50 with 1:1 macro ratio. I bought my 
 *istD at some internet shop who was way cheaper and knew a lot more about 
 what he sold.
 
 Sam
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 7:17 PM
 Subject: RE: Over to the Dark side.. ist D vs 20D brief comparison
 
 
  Read this:
  http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinion_text.asp?prodkey=canon_eos2
  0dopinion=23637
 
  Har! 
 



Re: Rumor of DA 50-200

2004-11-15 Thread Bruce Dayton
If it were a constant f4 I would buy it.  If it is a variable 4-5.6 I
would pass.  I don't need another zoom like all the rest.

Right now, my lightweight kit is the *istD (sans grip), DA 16-45 and
Sigma 55-200/3.5-5.6 DC.  I would love to have a constant f4 zoom with
about the same optical quality as the DA 16-45.

Please listen, Pentax!

Bruce


Monday, November 15, 2004, 11:21:23 AM, you wrote:

JT http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=11073371

JT I hope they make it a constant f4. If it's another cheap, variable
JT aperture telezoom, I'll probably pass. Since the excellent SMC F 70-210,
JT Pentax hasn't done too well with those.

JT If it was a conservative zoom range, say 50-150, we could probably be
JT confident that it would be a good lens. At 50-200, it is harder to predict.

JT Joe






Re: OT - Paparazzi doc on TV in UK

2004-11-15 Thread Keith Whaley

Cotty wrote:
On 15/11/04, Keith Whaley, discombobulated, unleashed:

Awww, dang! Yet another fine BBC program I can't get over here... sighhh.

Keith, Tell you what - I'm recording these docs on VHS, 
Thing is, I'm not sure you folks use the same VHS arrangement we do in 
the U.S.
I have a commercial VHS tape made here that I want to send to a mate in 
Wales, but I _think_ I'll have to get it converted first.
I only know enough to get a bit anxious about it. Not sure if they (U.S. 
vs. UK) are compatible is simply what I heard...

I've got the
Robert Frank doc and the Helena Wosname model-turned-photog already and
will put this doc on the same tape. When it's full, if you like, I can
post it to you and you can view and send it back to me.
Otherwise you'll have to emigrate ;-)
Only if I could relocate within crawling distance of a fine old pub, 
thank you... g

Cheers,
  Cotty
I'll be looking into it. Thanks for the offer! We'll talk!
keith


Hi folks- Survived open-heart monitoring site

2004-11-15 Thread Pentxuser
Just wanted to let everyone know that I survived my open heart surgery with 
flying colours and am kind of back on the list just monitoring the Digest 
version while I continue to recuperate. I got out of hospital four days after a 
double-by-pass. Modern medicine sure has come a long way.
Looking forward to getting back in gear.
thanks Vic 



Re: Hi folks- Survived open-heart monitoring site

2004-11-15 Thread pnstenquist
Congratulations! Good to have you back.
Paul


 Just wanted to let everyone know that I survived my open heart surgery with 
 flying colours and am kind of back on the list just monitoring the Digest 
 version while I continue to recuperate. I got out of hospital four days after 
 a 
 double-by-pass. Modern medicine sure has come a long way.
 Looking forward to getting back in gear.
 thanks Vic 
 



Re: Hi folks- Survived open-heart monitoring site

2004-11-15 Thread Keith Whaley
Totally amazing, isn't it!
Mighty glad it worked out okay.
Do take care for a while, but do the exercises recommended... all for 
your own benefit!

Thanks for letting us know!
keith whaley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just wanted to let everyone know that I survived my open heart surgery with 
flying colours and am kind of back on the list just monitoring the Digest 
version while I continue to recuperate. I got out of hospital four days after a 
double-by-pass. Modern medicine sure has come a long way.
Looking forward to getting back in gear.
thanks Vic 





Re: Hi folks- Survived open-heart monitoring site

2004-11-15 Thread brooksdj
Good to hear Vic, and welcome back.

Dave   

 Just wanted to let everyone know that I 
survived my open heart surgery with 
 flying colours and am kind of back on the list just monitoring the Digest 
 version while I continue to recuperate. I got out of hospital four days after 
 a 
 double-by-pass. Modern medicine sure has come a long way.
 Looking forward to getting back in gear.
 thanks Vic 
 






Re: Hi folks- Survived open-heart monitoring site

2004-11-15 Thread Fred
 Just wanted to let everyone know that I survived my open heart
 surgery with flying colours and am kind of back on the list just
 monitoring the Digest version while I continue to recuperate. I
 got out of hospital four days after a double-by-pass. Modern
 medicine sure has come a long way. Looking forward to getting back
 in gear.

Hey, ~great~ news, Vic.  Welcome back.

Gee, if you'd've let me know, I could've brought over the VS1
90-180/4.5 Flat-Field Zoom (supposedly optimized for surgical
photography - g) and taken some souvenir pictures - g.

Seriously, Vic, it's ~great~ to hear of your recovery.  Cheers,

Fred




Re: Over to the Dark side.. ist D vs 20D brief comparison

2004-11-15 Thread Sam Jost
From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sam Jost mused:
Yup, some just have too much money. This had been a question in a local
pentax forum a few days ago, too, someone who asked if the *istD could 
not
show a live preview.
Indeed.   I'm sure it's going to be a common question from first-time
DSLR purchasers, especially if they are upgrading from a digital PS.
I don't think it's a particularly stupid question - you need to know
a great deal about the internal implementation detail of a DSLR before
you even know how (let alone why) this capability is rendered impossible.
And I don't think it is impossible. I'd even go so far to say the live view 
of digicams will render the DSLR mirror system obsolete one day when there 
are better sensors and displays.
Live view has many advantages: 100% viewfinder, live histogram, silent 
shutter to name only a few.
The stuff is not good enough yet (battery life, display resolution, sensor 
quality) but it will be.

I think sneering at the purchaser, or dismissing him as having more money
than sense, says rather more about the disparager than about the customer.
I sneer not at not knowing something but at someone who buys very expensive 
gadgets without trying them first or at least reading a lot about them. I 
read up reviews, opinions, technical data, handbooks of DSLRs when I wanted 
to buy one. I didn't just walk in some store, grab the next one looking nice 
and bought it.
Hell, for the money I spent on the *istD, the lenses and stuff my brother 
bought a used car, and not a small or slow one.

I suspect I'm probably among the more technically oriented in this group,
but when I first played with a DSLR (a Nikon D1, back when they were new)
I wondered why it still made noises as though it had a shutter.
Yeah, but you didn't buy and later complain about it. Thats quite a 
difference, don't you think so?

Sam 



Re: Hi folks- Survived open-heart monitoring site

2004-11-15 Thread Joseph Tainter
Great news, Vic. Glad to hear.
Joe


RE: Annother pile of test shots

2004-11-15 Thread Jens Bladt
The remaining three focal lengths:

28mm: http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p9168605.html
50mm: http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p9168606.html
70mm: http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p9168607.html


A you can see the Tokina AT-X 270AF Pro II is no good at F2.8 and F4.0, by
far the least sharp of the tested zoom lemnses.
It's either faulty or not good suitable for digital cameras. I assume that
the first reason is best guess.

All the best
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 15. november 2004 20:02
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Annother pile of test shots


I have now published my next testboard. This time it's lenses at focal
length 35mm (@ f2.8  4.0  5.6  8.0)

Tokina AT-X 270AF PRoII
Tokina 2.8-4.3 28-70mm
Pentax SMC F 4-5.6 35-80mm
Pentax SMC M 2.8 35mm
Similar test shots done with these lengts will follow shortly: 28mm, 50mm
and 70mm.



The pixelation of 6MP digital shots, saved as 300ppi jpegs is limiting the
judgement of the performance of the lenses.
The differences between the lenses would increase at a higher resolution
such as 35mm film, I suppose.



Shel and Rob: I believe the Pentax SMC M 2.8 35mm is doing well, compared to
the zoom lenses.


http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p9164139.html

http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p9164140.html

All the best

Jens


Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt










Re: Hi folks- Survived open-heart monitoring site

2004-11-15 Thread Bruce Dayton
Welcome back!  Glad things went well.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Monday, November 15, 2004, 12:29:07 PM, you wrote:

Pac Just wanted to let everyone know that I survived my open heart surgery with
Pac flying colours and am kind of back on the list just monitoring the Digest
Pac version while I continue to recuperate. I got out of hospital four days 
after a
Pac double-by-pass. Modern medicine sure has come a long way.
Pac Looking forward to getting back in gear.
Pac thanks Vic 






RE: Tokina 1:2.8~4.3 28-70mm (PKA mount)

2004-11-15 Thread Jens Bladt
Kieth. See my two mails: Annother pile of test shots, regarding the Tokina
2.8-4.3 28-70mm lens.

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 14. november 2004 13:05
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Tokina 1:2.8~4.3 28-70mm (PKA mount)




Jens Bladt wrote:

 Funny you should ask: I was just leaving the house to make test shots,
 comparing

 Tokina 2.8-4.3/28-70mm

 Tokina AT-X ProII 2.6-2.8/28-70mm

 Pentax SMC-F 4-5.6/35-80mm

This lens is, I think, still made. I used mine extensively on recent
trips and find that at 35mm, wide open, it's not all that sharp.
That's merely one observation, and I've not made it a priority to check
it out more carefully, but right now it's on probation!
I like the convenience of the lens, but...unless it performs better than
that, it will have a short life.

If you plan to test it further, I'd be interested in seeing what you get
out of it.

 The only standard zoom lenses I have got until I get myself a 18-35mm,
 18-50mm or a 16-45mm.

 I'll check the focusing as well and post some tests later today.
 I did some casual test shots the other day, but couldn't really tell the
 difference - and I thought the Pentax was doing pretty well, cosidering
the
 cost of the lens.

I suspect this may end up being a 'sunlight' lens. One I use only on
sunny days (stopped down to f/8 or so)  and am otherwise quite happy
with. For me, in the midrange of apertures, it seems to perform well.

keith whaley

 BTW how come some lenses seem to focus elsewhere than at the screen/film
 plane, when mounted on the *ist D ??

 Jens Bladt
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


 -Oprindelig meddelelse-
 Fra: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sendt: 13. november 2004 22:19
 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Emne: RE: Tokina 1:2.8~4.3 28-70mm (PKA mount)


 On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Jens Bladt wrote:


Tis lens arrived today.  Very nice, almost MINT. It's seemingly a good
performer. The machro mode is a great feature and I miss having this on my
more expensive lenses.


 Do they perhaps focus closer by default? I noticed that the FA28-80
 (lacking macro) is actually more versatile that the F28-80 (with
 macro) as it focuses at 0.45m anyway.

 Kostas










RE: Hi folks- Survived open-heart monitoring site

2004-11-15 Thread Jens Bladt
Congrats Vic. I suppose they didn't have to use a Pentax Endoscope :-)
Welcome back!
Take it easy!
Jens

Jens Bladt
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http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 15. november 2004 21:29
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Hi folks- Survived open-heart monitoring site


Just wanted to let everyone know that I survived my open heart surgery with
flying colours and am kind of back on the list just monitoring the Digest
version while I continue to recuperate. I got out of hospital four days
after a
double-by-pass. Modern medicine sure has come a long way.
Looking forward to getting back in gear.
thanks Vic





Re: Hi folks- Survived open-heart monitoring site

2004-11-15 Thread Lasse Karlsson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:29 PM
Subject: Hi folks- Survived open-heart monitoring site


 Just wanted to let everyone know that I survived my open heart surgery with 
 flying colours and am kind of back on the list just monitoring the Digest 
 version while I continue to recuperate. I got out of hospital four days after 
 a 
 double-by-pass. Modern medicine sure has come a long way.
 Looking forward to getting back in gear.
 thanks Vic 

Well done, Vic!
Welcome back!

Hoping for a speedy recovery to an excellent condition, speaking in second 
hand gear terms.

Lasse



Re: Hi folks- Survived open-heart monitoring site

2004-11-15 Thread Fred
 Hoping for a speedy recovery to an excellent condition,
 speaking in second hand gear terms.

Gee, why not shoot for LN- - g.

Fred




RE: macro teleconverters

2004-11-15 Thread Jens Bladt
I have a KENKO Macro TELEPLUS MC7 for KA mount. Made by Tokina, I believe.
The only thing missing is an Auto Focus option. I think it's just brilliant.
I use it as a regular converter as well.

Tests in German FotoMagazine says that the regular Kenko MC7 is SUPER (one
of the best of it's kind), but his one is supposed to be average.

But I happen to think it's brilliant for my purposes. I rarely use it for
macro's but often for photographing drawings, books etc. for Power Point
presentations - and even for drawings, I can put into Adobe Illustrator
applications as a base for new drawings/layers for projects etc., where
digital maps aren't available. I can get anything into my computer this way!
Next to my Pentax 1.7 X AF Adapter, it's the best K-mount accessory I ever
bought! It's always in my camera bag.

Jens Bladt
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http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Lon Williamson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 15. november 2004 11:33
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: macro teleconverters


We've got two Vivitar A macro TCs here; the one I use
typically gets slapped on a Kiron 105 macro or a K 135 to give
me a cheap long macro lens.  Works well enough that I
no longer feel the need for an expensive 200 macro.

Pentax, AFAIK, did not make a TC with variable extension.
Pentax DID make a variable extension tube, though, and you
can still buy it (as well as both tube sets, the 50mm tube,
and the 100mm tube) from BH.

-Lon

Don Sanderson wrote:

 I don't believe Pentax ever did.
 I own 2 of the Vivitars, 1 M and 1 A version.
 I'm quite pleased with both, before I owned true macro lenses
 one of the Vivitars and an A 50/1.4 made a very nice 100mm
 F2.8 macro.

 Don






Re: Hi folks- Survived open-heart monitoring site

2004-11-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/11/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:

Just wanted to let everyone know that I survived my open heart surgery with 
flying colours and am kind of back on the list just monitoring the Digest 
version while I continue to recuperate. I got out of hospital four days
after a 
double-by-pass. Modern medicine sure has come a long way.
Looking forward to getting back in gear.
thanks Vic 

Wow - congrats Vic - probably like most here, I had no idea you were due
on the table! If it's any consolation (which it's not) - I have filmed
open heart surgery so I have seen what you've been through. Great to hear
you're doing well and thanks for letting us know.

Take it easy mate!




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: OT - Paparazzi doc on TV in UK

2004-11-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/11/04, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

It occurs to me that it should be possible to receive on your computer
(if you have a TV receiver card) and perhaps save it as an MPEG or
something, and send that.

Yes the thought had crossed my mind, and in fact I have a basic TV tuner
called a MyTV2Go but I haven't got it set up for Freeview. What i really
need is a Formac Studio box - then I can come straight in from the VHS
and dump off to DVD.

I'm working on it ;-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: OT - Paparazzi doc on TV in UK

2004-11-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/11/04, Keith Whaley, discombobulated, unleashed:

I have a commercial VHS tape made here that I want to send to a mate in 
Wales, but I _think_ I'll have to get it converted first.
I only know enough to get a bit anxious about it. Not sure if they (U.S. 
vs. UK) are compatible is simply what I heard...

Your mate in Wales will probably be okay - the vast majority of domestic
VHS machines in the UK (which operates the PAL standard) are switcheable
to NTSC (the north American standard). I would be surprised if your mate
couldn't watch it.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Photoshop Elements 3 review posted

2004-11-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/11/04, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:

It's very good actually.  I bought it the other day and then 2 days 
later got PS CS as a gift.  Anyone want an opened-box almost new PSE 3 
(windows version) cheap?

Are you sure it's Windows only? a lot of those Elements CDs are hybrid
Mac and PC versions...




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: OT - Paparazzi doc on TV in UK

2004-11-15 Thread Cotty
Great doc - and this is the first of three X 1 hour. Brilliant insight
into the loathsome profession of real paps - they are absolute vultures!
I am an blessed angel in comparison. If I can get them onto DVD I will
post some off to those interested.



Cheers,
  Cotty


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RE: macro teleconverters

2004-11-15 Thread Rob Studdert
On 15 Nov 2004 at 23:20, Jens Bladt wrote:

 I have a KENKO Macro TELEPLUS MC7 for KA mount. Made by Tokina, I believe.
 The only thing missing is an Auto Focus option. I think it's just brilliant. I
 use it as a regular converter as well.
 
 Tests in German FotoMagazine says that the regular Kenko MC7 is SUPER (one
 of the best of it's kind), but his one is supposed to be average.

I had one (Kenko Pz-AF 2X Teleplus MC7) a few years back for a short while, I 
sold it pretty quickly as the reduction in contrast compared to my Pentax S, L 
and AF convertors was very noticeable. Maybe FotoMagazine didn't test for 
contrast, mine certainly was like new so it wasn't a fogging effect.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Hi folks- Survived open-heart monitoring site

2004-11-15 Thread Peter J. Alling
Glad you're back.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just wanted to let everyone know that I survived my open heart surgery with 
flying colours and am kind of back on the list just monitoring the Digest 
version while I continue to recuperate. I got out of hospital four days after a 
double-by-pass. Modern medicine sure has come a long way.
Looking forward to getting back in gear.
thanks Vic 

 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke




Re: Hi folks- Survived open-heart monitoring site

2004-11-15 Thread Lasse Karlsson
From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lasse Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: Hi folks- Survived open-heart monitoring site


  Hoping for a speedy recovery to an excellent condition,
  speaking in second hand gear terms.
 
 Gee, why not shoot for LN- - g.

Good (rhetorical) question, Fred.
I  - was - actually going for the next to MINT quality, but simply forgot 
about  the like new, and thought excellent was next to mint...
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to make this clarification. :-)

Lasse




Re: Reducing File Size with Photoshop

2004-11-15 Thread Lasse Karlsson
From: Sam Jost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: Reducing File Size with Photoshop
 From: Lasse Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Each time you save as jpeg, a further compression, and consequently a 
  degradation of image quality, will take place.
  However if you only close it, there is nothing that will affect the 
  quality of the image that you opened.
 
 Not necesseraly - Some software take due note that the jpeg is unchanged and 
 copy the bitstream of the original jpeg on saving.

Thanks, Sam. I didn't know this.
Do you know which software does, or if there is a way to know?

Lasse



Re: Annother pile of test shots

2004-11-15 Thread Rob Studdert
On 15 Nov 2004 at 20:01, Jens Bladt wrote:

 Shel and Rob: I believe the Pentax SMC M 2.8 35mm is doing well, compared to 
 the
 zoom lenses.

I appreciate your effort but your results don't actually surprise me, I hope 
the M28/2.8 would be better than the zoom. I like like your test compilation 
however if you also presented sections towards the edges of the frame I believe 
that it would prove a lot more useful and revealing.

On your full frame image see the edge of the white fence to the left, there is 
significant CA even though it was shot at f8. This is often the type of thing 
that differentiates a good lens from a great one, a case in point being the 
FA24/2. It is razor sharp dead centre but it performs far worse than most other 
Pentax 24mm primes towards the edges at any aperture. A centre section wouldn't 
reveal this significant performance issue.

To see just how badly CA can affect certain types of images check out the 
hideous sample image on the following Sigma page shot using a Sigma 18-50mm 
F3.5-5.6 DC at f9:

http://www.sigma-photo.co.jp/sd10/english/photographer/miyake.htm

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



PAW: Walk and Talk

2004-11-15 Thread frank theriault
Comments are always welcome:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2884479size=lg

thanks,
frank
-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



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