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I gave British Airways an interesting consumer test last week along these lineand they passed with flying colours. I was flying with my 16 y.o. in BA First class (funded by BA miles I hasten to add. I can't afford the £7,000 a ticket price). I let my son go first when entering lounges or boarding the plane so that the BA staff were confronted by a grungy, hairy teenager with a First class boarding pass. I was expecting some strange looks or comments from staff, but BA treated him like a millionaire. Peter - Original Message - From: "David Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: Re: Interesting marketing On Feb 17, 2006, at 12:52 AM, Leon Altoff wrote: He was driving along and though he might like to buy a convertible (he does this). He stopped at a Honda dealership and asked to test drive their convertible. He was dressed very casually at the time - shorts, polo shirt, $2000 watch - and the salesman replied with "You can drive it when you've bought it". The guy who started a company I once worked for did something similar. Only he was dressed in shorts, shirt and flip-flops. This has always been his standard attire (he gets hot feet and shoes make him uncomfortable - I've seen a photo of him wearing flip-flops with a suit at a function). Oh and he was attempting to buy a red car of Italian manufacture. The first dealer wasn't particularly accommodating so he took his business elsewhere... I don't remember how many Italian (and German) cars he owns now. - Dave http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/ http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
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On 17/2/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: >"You're only young once but you can be immature forever" Words to live by! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, John Francis wrote: Porsche seem to attract the good guys. So what are you doing messing with BMW? Sorry, could not resist. Kostas (will never forgive what they did to Rover)
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> > From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/02/17 Fri PM 02:08:54 GMT > To: > Subject: Re: Interesting marketing > > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Jens Bladt" > Subject: SV: Interesting marketing > > > > Why do sales people hate Pentax? > > I could never figure that out. I guess they get paid less?? > > Since any camera will do pretty much the same job as any camera in it's > segment, it behoves salemen to sell what they can sell quickly, spend as > little time as possible with the customer and get them out the door. If they > spend too much time with a customer, they are potentially losing sales by > keeping other customers waiting. > > This is especially a problem with big box retailers. > For amusement, appear to have second thoughts just as you get the credit card out. My brother was immediately offered a discount on a sizeable purchase he was making. m - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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- Original Message - From: "Jens Bladt" Subject: SV: Interesting marketing Why do sales people hate Pentax? I could never figure that out. I guess they get paid less?? It's not that they hate Pentax, it's more that the Nikons and Canons have more market appeal. These are the brands that the pros use. This makes the brand more appealing. If the pros use it, it must be good. Consequently, it's an easier sell. This discounts spiff programs and manufacturer generated sales commissions, which can give one brand a leg up over the other, since a good spiff is an incentive to sell a certain product. Since any camera will do pretty much the same job as any camera in it's segment, it behoves salemen to sell what they can sell quickly, spend as little time as possible with the customer and get them out the door. If they spend too much time with a customer, they are potentially losing sales by keeping other customers waiting. This is especially a problem with big box retailers. William Robb
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mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >On 16/2/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: >> > >> >>Want me to have a look around Pittsburgh's record shops? >> > >> >If you believe in miracles >> >> That song's not by Jefferson Airplane, is it? >> >> > >Close. >http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/jefferson-starship/70383.html > >Cotty's a bit younger than me 8-) "You're only young once but you can be immature forever" -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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> > From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/02/17 Fri AM 02:53:39 GMT > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: Interesting marketing > > Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >On 16/2/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: > > > >>Want me to have a look around Pittsburgh's record shops? > > > >If you believe in miracles > > That song's not by Jefferson Airplane, is it? > > Close. http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/jefferson-starship/70383.html Cotty's a bit younger than me 8-) - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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> Why do sales people hate Pentax? > I could never figure that out. I guess they get paid less?? My local dealer won't even stock them now it's been that way for years. Everyone that goes in for an SLR including all the students from our college inevitably comes out with a C***n, needless to say I never buy anything there, not even film. The last film I bought there was out of date so I took it back for a refund, the local chemist has fresh stock. There's another camera shop within quarter of a mile that still has secondhand stock, every Pentax lens he gets is well below the price I'd expect to pay on Ebay. If he had enough stock I could make a living out of his business!!! Regards, John John Whittingham Technician "you can't be optimistic with a misty optic" -- Original Message --- From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:00:51 +0100 Subject: SV: Interesting marketing > Why do sales people hate Pentax? > I could never figure that out. I guess they get paid less?? > Regards > > Jens Bladt > http://www.jensbladt.dk > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: Scott Loveless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sendt: 16. februar 2006 07:28 > Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Emne: Re: Interesting marketing > > Bring a tape recorder. Please. Reminds me of the time the sales > monkey told me I should get the Nikon because the "Ni-core" lenses > were better. When I asked how, she told me they were built better. > I proceeded to point out the metal mount on the Pentax kit lens vs. the > plastic mount on the Nikkor. She responded with something along the > lines of "you can't get accessories for the Pentax." Gotta love it. > > On 2/16/06, Jon Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, do describe in detail the exchange. ;) > > > > > > --- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I'd love to be there for that... maybe pick up a DS2 > > > as well > > > > > > Shel > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: William Robb > > > > > > > We have a box retailer in Canada called Bset Buy. > > > > We have another called Future Shop. > > > > I believe Best Buy owns Future Shop. > > > > One sells Pentax DSLRs, the other sells Nikon. > > > > A friend of mine just shoed up with his new D70. > > > > He preferred the Pentax offering, and it was much > > > less money. > > > > Sadly, he believed the Nikon sales droid who told > > > him that CCD's were > > > passe, > > > > that the one in the Pentax was failure prone and > > > that all the real camera > > > > makers were using CMOS, just like his Nikon. > > > > My friend was quite put off when I showed him the > > > specs in his camera > > > > documentation. > > > > We might go to Best Buy on the weekend so that I > > > can grace his salesman > > > with > > > > my most charming and best behaved self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > -- > Scott Loveless > http://www.twosixteen.com > > -- > "You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006 --- End of Original Message --- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message.
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On Feb 17, 2006, at 12:52 AM, Leon Altoff wrote: He was driving along and though he might like to buy a convertible (he does this). He stopped at a Honda dealership and asked to test drive their convertible. He was dressed very casually at the time - shorts, polo shirt, $2000 watch - and the salesman replied with "You can drive it when you've bought it". The guy who started a company I once worked for did something similar. Only he was dressed in shorts, shirt and flip-flops. This has always been his standard attire (he gets hot feet and shoes make him uncomfortable - I've seen a photo of him wearing flip-flops with a suit at a function). Oh and he was attempting to buy a red car of Italian manufacture. The first dealer wasn't particularly accommodating so he took his business elsewhere... I don't remember how many Italian (and German) cars he owns now. - Dave http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/ http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
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Entertaining stories, Shel! Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 16. februar 2006 14:39 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Interesting marketing Long ago I learned never to judge people by their appearance or how they present themselves. I had a small ranch for sale in Northern California in 1974, and received an inquiry written on a torn off piece of grocery bag. I dismissed the matter. A few weeks later I received a phone call from the person saying that she was going to be in Northern California in a few days and wanted me to meet her at the property. Begrudgingly I agreed, and made the long drive to the area near the Oregon Border. I met the woman and her two crying kids, and a friend of hers who went along for the ride. She looked the place over, said she liked it, went out to her truck and came back with a paper sack stuffed with $75,000 in cash and a .357 magnum. I was stunned. Turns out her husband was working in the North Sea as an oil explorer, and she was chosen to buy the property. I asked her why she brought cash and she said she didn't want me to think she was just effing around. We did up some paperwork and she gave me the cash and the gun. When she gave me the gun she said "You'll need this now ..." I had to spend three days guarding the cash until the title company opened after the weekend. In 1968 a few of us were bopping down Van Ness Avenue in San Francisco, and were along Auto Row. One of the group, "a raggedy looking hippy chick," spied a car that caught her eye, walked into the showroom, and said she wanted to buy it. The salesman treated her like trash ... his mistake. The raggedy looking woman was Grace Slick, the lead singer for the very popular (and quite successful) Jefferson Airplane. Shel > Leon Altoff wrote: > > Someone I know had a different experience. > He was driving along and though he might like to buy a convertible (he > does this). He stopped at a Honda dealership and asked to test drive > their convertible. He was dressed very casually at the time - shorts, > polo shirt, $2000 watch - and the salesman replied with "You can drive > it when you've bought it". > He just shook his head and went away. On his way home he passed a > Mazda dealership and saw a limited edition MX5 on display. They said > that the limited edition wasn't for test driving, but he could take > the standard model which drives the same so he could get a feel for > it. he came back from the test drive and pointed at the limited > edition and said, "I'll have one of those". > The salesman asked him to come inside to fill in the finance forms and > he just handed him his credit card and said "Just put it on this". > The salesman looked a bit shocked when he went in but was smiling when > he came out and said that the car would be ready on Wednesday. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006
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Why do sales people hate Pentax? I could never figure that out. I guess they get paid less?? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Scott Loveless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 16. februar 2006 07:28 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Interesting marketing Bring a tape recorder. Please. Reminds me of the time the sales monkey told me I should get the Nikon because the "Ni-core" lenses were better. When I asked how, she told me they were built better. I proceeded to point out the metal mount on the Pentax kit lens vs. the plastic mount on the Nikkor. She responded with something along the lines of "you can't get accessories for the Pentax." Gotta love it. On 2/16/06, Jon Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, do describe in detail the exchange. ;) > > > --- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'd love to be there for that... maybe pick up a DS2 > > as well > > > > Shel > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: William Robb > > > > > We have a box retailer in Canada called Bset Buy. > > > We have another called Future Shop. > > > I believe Best Buy owns Future Shop. > > > One sells Pentax DSLRs, the other sells Nikon. > > > A friend of mine just shoed up with his new D70. > > > He preferred the Pentax offering, and it was much > > less money. > > > Sadly, he believed the Nikon sales droid who told > > him that CCD's were > > passe, > > > that the one in the Pentax was failure prone and > > that all the real camera > > > makers were using CMOS, just like his Nikon. > > > My friend was quite put off when I showed him the > > specs in his camera > > > documentation. > > > We might go to Best Buy on the weekend so that I > > can grace his salesman > > with > > > my most charming and best behaved self. > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- "You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006
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He'll probably just say: "I never said so"! Amazing what some people will do to sell a Nikon. isn't it? Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 16. februar 2006 07:05 Til: Pentax Discuss Emne: Interesting marketing We have a box retailer in Canada called Bset Buy. We have another called Future Shop. I believe Best Buy owns Future Shop. One sells Pentax DSLRs, the other sells Nikon. A friend of mine just shoed up with his new D70. He preferred the Pentax offering, and it was much less money. Sadly, he believed the Nikon sales droid who told him that CCD's were passe, that the one in the Pentax was failure prone and that all the real camera makers were using CMOS, just like his Nikon. My friend was quite put off when I showed him the specs in his camera documentation. We might go to Best Buy on the weekend so that I can grace his salesman with my most charming and best behaved self. William Robb -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006
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On Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 08:53:28PM -0500, Kenneth Waller wrote: > >I really despair of salesmen. > > Normally I do also. > > My $.02 on the matter. > > Last year I got a post card from Porsche U.S HQ, in Atlanta, inviting me to > drop by my nearest Porsche dealer to sample their latest offering. [snip, snip, snip] > I was so impressed with his handling of this matter that I gave him a > bottle of wine at delivery of the car in appreciation. Porsche seem to attract the good guys. I stopped back by the BMW dealership earlier this evening, and chatted for a while to one of their senior salesmen about the Z4, and what the new 2006 version was going to offer. We discussed the various options, and he pretty much agreed with me about what would be a nice used Z4 configuration. Then I dropped the bombshell that I'd been told, by their internet and used sales consultant, that configuration wasn't a good idea, and that I really didn't appreciate being treated that way :-) I fully expect I'll hear if a Z4 configured the way I want one shows up as a trade-in on the new 2006 models. I also stopped by the Porsche dealership (which is quite close by), and had a look at the pre-owned Boxsters on the lot. Then, just as I was about to leave, I just had to step inside the showroom and take a look at the nice toy they had sitting at the front of the display - a Carrerra GT (price somewhere around $500,000 - if you have to ask ...) I had a very nice little chat with one of their salesmen, discussing older Porsches (the only ones I've driven are the 944T and the 928). He assured me that he's be only too happy to lighten my bank balance by any amount I chose, whenever I thought the time was right. He knew I was pretty much at the bottom end of his market, but he couldn't have been nicer if I'd told him to load the GT onto a trailer.
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John Francis wrote: I don't think you're allowed to do that over here. Or, at least, not with a true credit card - I don't know if you can charge a car to American Express, but I doubt it. Not because of credit limits - the credit line on my Visa is high enough to buy a Porsche 911, never mind a Honda or Mazda - but there's some other reaon that prevents most car dealerships from taking credit for anything except a place-holder deposit. You're not supposed to make the down payment with a credit card, either, but that's because most finance agreements explicitly prohibit you from using credit for the deposit - not an issue if you're not financing. He's missing something if he took the MX5 over the Honda 2000, though. The Honda is a much nicer car. As it should be, considering the fact that it's priced at least 50% higher than the MX5. He likes the classic lines of the MX5, and he never got to test drive the Honda. He gets it detailed every fortnight and has had a turbo installed to make up for the lack of power. He's happy with it and apart from looking at the turbo model when it came out (just before he put the turbo in his) he hasn't looked at another car since. He has an Amex Black card now, not sure what he had then, but it seemed to work. It all gets paid off every month anyway (as does mine) so limits don't really make much difference. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
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>The raggedy looking woman was Grace Slick, the lead singer for the very >popular (and quite successful) Jefferson Airplane. > >Shel Pictures Please! Powell PS: I had a very, very minor role in the Airplanes take off. Pre Grace Slick they filled to over flowing the War Memorial Gym at UBC and their manager was very pleased when I sold him photos of the event for, I think, the huge sum of $50. It was the biggest crowd they had ever drawn at that time. Wish I still had those pictures.
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Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 16/2/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>Want me to have a look around Pittsburgh's record shops? > >If you believe in miracles That song's not by Jefferson Airplane, is it? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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I really despair of salesmen. Normally I do also. My $.02 on the matter. Last year I got a post card from Porsche U.S HQ, in Atlanta, inviting me to drop by my nearest Porsche dealer to sample their latest offering. I called the local, advised the guy that answered the phone of the postcard & asked when I could come by to test drive. He told me any time. I never identified myself. I showed up a few days later, spoke to the guy that answered the phone, we chatted for a few minutes & then he asked which Porsche I'd like to sample. He went out back & returned with that vehicle. He placed a temp plate on it, showed me how to operate the top & gave me the keys. I asked if he was going to come with me, he said no - he was going to lunch, I said you're going to turn me loose with this vehicle just like that? He hesitated & then said oh yeah, I guess I need to make a copy of your license - up to this point he only knew me as Ken. I told him I didn't know how long I'd be with the car (it was around 1:30pm) & he replied that the dealership would be closing 6:00pm. I returned an hour later, handed him back the keys & told him I'd be in touch. (I knew then & there I was going to purchase a version of the car I had just driven). Two weeks later I returned with my wife & drove another vehicle. Returned & proceeded to place an order. He took my order & proceeded to give me his opinion on several of the options I requested - some he recommended & some he advised against. He placed my order with the factory & advised me weekly of the status. I was so impressed with his handling of this matter that I gave him a bottle of wine at delivery of the car in appreciation. This almost makes up for the countless car sales jerks I've dealt with over the years. Kenneth Waller - Original Message ----- From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Interesting marketing On Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 12:04:30AM -0600, William Robb wrote: We might go to Best Buy on the weekend so that I can grace his salesman with my most charming and best behaved self. I really despair of salesmen. I'm in the process of beginning to shop for a new car. One option is a BMW Z4, but they get pretty expensive. So I registered with BMW to be notified by email if a "certified pre-owned" Z4 with the particular rare set of options that I want comes on the market. Unfortunately this means that BMW have my email address, and pass it on to my local BMW dealer. I wasn't too bothered by this, because I've been in that dealership, and they are a very low-pressure outfit. Apparently this doesn't seem to apply to their eMail contact. Not only did I get email from him as soon as he saw I was interested in Z4s, trying to get me to come in and look at the cars he had on the lot (none of which were anywhere close to my pre-owned search criteria), but when I explained this to him, and told him what I was looking for, I got email back telling me I didn't want to look for those options, but would be better off changing my criteria. I'm going to pay another visit to the dealership, and let the sales manager know: 1) How much I appreciate their low-pressure showroom staff 2) Just how much I dislike having some arrogant little twit telling me I don't know what I want, and to instead switch to buying what he happens to have on the lot.
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- Original Message - From: "Leon Altoff" Subject: Re: Interesting marketing The salesman asked him to come inside to fill in the finance forms and he just handed him his credit card and said "Just put it on this". The salesman looked a bit shocked when he went in but was smiling when he came out and said that the car would be ready on Wednesday. When I bought my truck, I had just gotten off my job site, and walked into the dealership in a state of extreme construction filth. Office boy asked me how I planned on financing said purchase. I asked if a cheque was acceptable. His chin hit the desk. William Robb
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John Francis wrote: I don't think you're allowed to do that over here. Or, at least, not with a true credit card - I don't know if you can charge a car to American Express, but I doubt it. Not because of credit limits - the credit line on my Visa is high enough to buy a Porsche 911, never mind a Honda or Mazda - but there's some other reaon that prevents most car dealerships from taking credit for anything except a place-holder deposit. About nine years ago, I was told by a car dealer that it couldn't be put on a credit card because of something to do with them then not having a lien on the car. (Or because the credit card company wouldn't?) I'm fuzzy on the details as to why, since the key thing I needed to know at the time was that I couldn't do that. The issue was SOMETHING to do with somebody not having a lien ... Anyway, that was nine years ago -- I don't know if things have changed since.
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d edition and said, "I'll > have one of those". The salesman asked him to come inside to fill in the finance forms and he just handed him his credit card and said "Just put it on this". The salesman looked a bit shocked when he went in but was smiling when he came out and said that the car would be ready on Wednesday. I don't think you're allowed to do that over here. Or, at least, not with a true credit card - I don't know if you can charge a car to American Express, but I doubt it. Not because of credit limits - the credit line on my Visa is high enough to buy a Porsche 911, never mind a Honda or Mazda - but there's some other reaon that prevents most car dealerships from taking credit for anything except a place-holder deposit. The dealer does not want to pay the the interchange fee to Visa/MC/Amex/Discover, which can be as high as 6% of the price if the transaction is considered risky. That fee would come right out of the dealer's profit. Some will take a credit card if they want the sale badly enough and they are making enough money on it. -- Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 16/2/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: >Want me to have a look around Pittsburgh's record shops? If you believe in miracles Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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We bought a car in 1984 and put the entire purchase on our credit card. Shel > [Original Message] > From: John Francis > > The salesman asked him to come inside to fill in the finance forms and > > he just handed him his credit card and said "Just put it on this". > > > > The salesman looked a bit shocked when he went in but was smiling when > > he came out and said that the car would be ready on Wednesday. > > I don't think you're allowed to do that over here. Or, at least, not > with a true credit card - I don't know if you can charge a car to American > Express, but I doubt it. Not because of credit limits - the credit line on > my Visa is high enough to buy a Porsche 911, never mind a Honda or Mazda - > but there's some other reaon that prevents most car dealerships from > taking credit for anything except a place-holder deposit. You're not > supposed to make the down payment with a credit card, either, but > that's because most finance agreements explicitly prohibit you from > using credit for the deposit - not an issue if you're not financing.
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This one time, at band camp, Leon Altoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The salesman looked a bit shocked when he went in but was smiling when > he came out and said that the car would be ready on Wednesday. I had a similar experience myself, I walked into a local BMW dealer to purchase a new MZ-3 (Australian name). I was casually dressed and stood in the reception/showroom for about 25 mins whilst staff just walked by me. Nobody even said "good morning". I left and purchased a Porsche 944, cash, instead . (entry level porsche) I related this to a friend who owns a tyre dealership and he subsiquently knew the owner of the BMW dealer ship and told him of my lack of service and was immediately on the phone to me. Too late I told him Even in a suit I still look rather scruffy around the edges, but this should not have sales staff pre-judging a book. And irrespective of how one dressed, this should not determine the level of service one gets. Kind regards Kevin -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
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On Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 10:52:53PM +1100, Leon Altoff wrote: > > Someone I know had a different experience. > > He was driving along and though he might like to buy a convertible (he > does this). He stopped at a Honda dealership and asked to test drive > their convertible. He was dressed very casually at the time - shorts, > polo shirt, $2000 watch - and the salesman replied with "You can drive > it when you've bought it". > > He just shook his head and went away. On his way home he passed a Mazda > dealership and saw a limited edition MX5 on display. They said that the > limited edition wasn't for test driving, but he could take the standard > model which drives the same so he could get a feel for it. he came back > from the test drive and pointed at the limited edition and said, "I'll > have one of those". > > The salesman asked him to come inside to fill in the finance forms and > he just handed him his credit card and said "Just put it on this". > > The salesman looked a bit shocked when he went in but was smiling when > he came out and said that the car would be ready on Wednesday. I don't think you're allowed to do that over here. Or, at least, not with a true credit card - I don't know if you can charge a car to American Express, but I doubt it. Not because of credit limits - the credit line on my Visa is high enough to buy a Porsche 911, never mind a Honda or Mazda - but there's some other reaon that prevents most car dealerships from taking credit for anything except a place-holder deposit. You're not supposed to make the down payment with a credit card, either, but that's because most finance agreements explicitly prohibit you from using credit for the deposit - not an issue if you're not financing. He's missing something if he took the MX5 over the Honda 2000, though. The Honda is a much nicer car. As it should be, considering the fact that it's priced at least 50% higher than the MX5.
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On Feb 16, 2006, at 5:58 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Adornments help. I've never been particularly fashion conscious and I in my 20's I was very fond of my very comfy old ripped jeans (the type that could potentially lead to public exposure charges) however I also drove a late model Porsche. So even though I literally looked like I had the a** out of my pants I could generally easily secure a test drive in any top end vehicle so long as I made it plain what I was driving. Reminds me of a guy who used to work for me in my camera shop back in the early 70s. He came from a "money" family, and drove a new Porsche. He also wore torn up jeans and went around barefoot. I put up with his eccentricities because he knew cameras inside out and was the proverbial salesman who could sell ice makers to Eskimos. He also had a sharp wit. His name's Fred. I don't know if I told this story here before, but since it's an actual Pentax story I'll tell it again. People around here are mostly "good ol' boys". Country people. They have trouble with "furrin" words like Asahi. One day this good ol' boy came in the shop, walked over to the counter, and asked Fred, "You got any o' them Ass-High Pentax cameras?" Without pausing for a second, Fred turned to the shelf behind him, took down a Pentax 6 X 7, put it in front of the fellow, and said," No sir, this is the biggest one we carry." I made a quick retreat into the office before I collapsed in laughter. Bob
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On 16 Feb 2006 at 5:38, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > In 1968 a few of us were bopping down Van Ness Avenue in San Francisco, and > were along Auto Row. One of the group, "a raggedy looking hippy chick," > spied a car that caught her eye, walked into the showroom, and said she > wanted to buy it. The salesman treated her like trash ... his mistake. > The raggedy looking woman was Grace Slick, the lead singer for the very > popular (and quite successful) Jefferson Airplane. Adornments help. I've never been particularly fashion conscious and I in my 20's I was very fond of my very comfy old ripped jeans (the type that could potentially lead to public exposure charges) however I also drove a late model Porsche. So even though I literally looked like I had the a** out of my pants I could generally easily secure a test drive in any top end vehicle so long as I made it plain what I was driving. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Charles Robinson wrote: On Feb 16, 2006, at 9:54, mike wilson wrote: From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2006/02/16 Thu PM 02:42:58 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: Interesting marketing [snip!] However, Bark is available on CD ... Japanese release. I bet you could find it on eBay or any number of venues. Shel Excellent news. Time to start gurgling. Thanks. http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6937702/a/Bark+(Jpn+LP +Sleeve).htm Found this without much effort... -Charles Thanks. As I mentioned to Shel offlist, I've been looking sporadically for about five years now but without success. It certainly hasn't been rereleased by the original record company, unlike some of the earlier catalogue and a lot of "Jefferson Starship" era stuff. mike
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Mark Roberts wrote: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> However, Bark is available on CD ... Japanese release. I bet you could find it on eBay or any number of venues. Excellent news. Time to start gurgling. Thanks. Want me to have a look around Pittsburgh's record shops? I'd appreciate that. Thanks.
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Leon Altoff wrote: Peter McIntosh wrote: Peter, He's not like that. he will just never have anything to do with that dealership and probably Honda ever again. He is very brand loyal once he finds something he likes - Sony have made a lot of money from him. He also tends to recommend the good places rather than tell off the bad ones. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon P Oops - I meant to put a big TIC in there. Sorry, Leon. Ciao, Peter in Sydney
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Peter McIntosh wrote: Leon Altoff wrote: He was driving along and though he might like to buy a convertible (he does this). He stopped at a Honda dealership and asked to test drive their convertible. He was dressed very casually at the time - shorts, polo shirt, $2000 watch - and the salesman replied with "You can drive it when you've bought it". But he forgot the most important part - driving back to the Honda dealership with the credit card receipt, and waving it under the Honda salesman's (and his boss') nose! Ciao, Peter in Sydney Peter, He's not like that. he will just never have anything to do with that dealership and probably Honda ever again. He is very brand loyal once he finds something he likes - Sony have made a lot of money from him. He also tends to recommend the good places rather than tell off the bad ones. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon P
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There's a similar story about Ronnie Hawkins in Toronto, who went into a British import dealer wearing jeans etc, and asked the dealer what was the price of the Rolls. The dealer told him, " You can't afford that sonny" Ronnie, so the story goes, came back later that day, with a shopping bag filed with money, dumped it on the dealer's desk and asked "Is that enough. sir?" Oh, BTW, that ws in the mid '60's and Rolls were about $35, 000, within many people's budget :-) herb >In 1968 a few of us were bopping down Van Ness Avenue in San Francisco, and >were along Auto Row. One of the group, "a raggedy looking hippy chick," >spied a car that caught her eye, walked into the showroom, and said she >wanted to buy it. The salesman treated her like trash ... his mistake. >The raggedy looking woman was Grace Slick, the lead singer for the very >popular (and quite successful) Jefferson Airplane.
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On Feb 16, 2006, at 9:54, mike wilson wrote: From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2006/02/16 Thu PM 02:42:58 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: Interesting marketing [snip!] However, Bark is available on CD ... Japanese release. I bet you could find it on eBay or any number of venues. Shel Excellent news. Time to start gurgling. Thanks. http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6937702/a/Bark+(Jpn+LP +Sleeve).htm Found this without much effort... -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org
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mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> However, Bark is available on CD ... Japanese release. I bet you could >> find it on eBay or any number of venues. >> >Excellent news. Time to start gurgling. Thanks. Want me to have a look around Pittsburgh's record shops? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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> > From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/02/16 Thu PM 02:42:58 GMT > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: Re: Interesting marketing > > I never knew her very well ... we were all just a bunch of hippies hangin' > out at the time. Everyone just happened to be living in the same > neighborhood. I just knew her from the neighborhood, and like neighbors > do, sometimes we'd do things together. After the Airplane moved to 2400 > Fulton Street, we'd sometimes go over there to shoot pool and hang out. > The pool table was in the dining room, the house had very little furniture, > and more often than not was left unlocked People would go in and out even > if none of the band were at home, which was often the case. Those were > pretty loose days, Mike ... everyone knew everyone, even if only > superficially and for a short time. > > However, Bark is available on CD ... Japanese release. I bet you could > find it on eBay or any number of venues. > > Shel Excellent news. Time to start gurgling. Thanks. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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I never knew her very well ... we were all just a bunch of hippies hangin' out at the time. Everyone just happened to be living in the same neighborhood. I just knew her from the neighborhood, and like neighbors do, sometimes we'd do things together. After the Airplane moved to 2400 Fulton Street, we'd sometimes go over there to shoot pool and hang out. The pool table was in the dining room, the house had very little furniture, and more often than not was left unlocked People would go in and out even if none of the band were at home, which was often the case. Those were pretty loose days, Mike ... everyone knew everyone, even if only superficially and for a short time. However, Bark is available on CD ... Japanese release. I bet you could find it on eBay or any number of venues. Shel > [Original Message] > From: mike wilson > > The raggedy looking woman was Grace Slick > > If you still know her, could you ask if she's got a spare copy of "Bark"? Not released on CD yet and my vinyl copy was stolen decades ago. 8-( > > m > > > - > Email sent from www.ntlworld.com > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software > Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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> > From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In 1968 a few of us were bopping down Van Ness Avenue in San Francisco, and > were along Auto Row. One of the group, "a raggedy looking hippy chick," > spied a car that caught her eye, walked into the showroom, and said she > wanted to buy it. The salesman treated her like trash ... his mistake. > The raggedy looking woman was Grace Slick, the lead singer for the very > popular (and quite successful) Jefferson Airplane. > If you still know her, could you ask if she's got a spare copy of "Bark"? Not released on CD yet and my vinyl copy was stolen decades ago. 8-( m - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Shel Belinkoff wrote: The raggedy looking woman was Grace Slick, the lead singer for the very !!! What an acquaintance! Kostas
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Best Buy is the US chain that bought Future Shop a while back. Guess the sales guy hasn't seen the spec on the D200 (CCD sensor) -Adam William Robb wrote: We have a box retailer in Canada called Bset Buy. We have another called Future Shop. I believe Best Buy owns Future Shop. One sells Pentax DSLRs, the other sells Nikon. A friend of mine just shoed up with his new D70. He preferred the Pentax offering, and it was much less money. Sadly, he believed the Nikon sales droid who told him that CCD's were passe, that the one in the Pentax was failure prone and that all the real camera makers were using CMOS, just like his Nikon. My friend was quite put off when I showed him the specs in his camera documentation. We might go to Best Buy on the weekend so that I can grace his salesman with my most charming and best behaved self. William Robb
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Long ago I learned never to judge people by their appearance or how they present themselves. I had a small ranch for sale in Northern California in 1974, and received an inquiry written on a torn off piece of grocery bag. I dismissed the matter. A few weeks later I received a phone call from the person saying that she was going to be in Northern California in a few days and wanted me to meet her at the property. Begrudgingly I agreed, and made the long drive to the area near the Oregon Border. I met the woman and her two crying kids, and a friend of hers who went along for the ride. She looked the place over, said she liked it, went out to her truck and came back with a paper sack stuffed with $75,000 in cash and a .357 magnum. I was stunned. Turns out her husband was working in the North Sea as an oil explorer, and she was chosen to buy the property. I asked her why she brought cash and she said she didn't want me to think she was just effing around. We did up some paperwork and she gave me the cash and the gun. When she gave me the gun she said "You'll need this now ..." I had to spend three days guarding the cash until the title company opened after the weekend. In 1968 a few of us were bopping down Van Ness Avenue in San Francisco, and were along Auto Row. One of the group, "a raggedy looking hippy chick," spied a car that caught her eye, walked into the showroom, and said she wanted to buy it. The salesman treated her like trash ... his mistake. The raggedy looking woman was Grace Slick, the lead singer for the very popular (and quite successful) Jefferson Airplane. Shel > Leon Altoff wrote: > > Someone I know had a different experience. > He was driving along and though he might like to buy a convertible (he > does this). He stopped at a Honda dealership and asked to test drive > their convertible. He was dressed very casually at the time - shorts, > polo shirt, $2000 watch - and the salesman replied with "You can drive > it when you've bought it". > He just shook his head and went away. On his way home he passed a > Mazda dealership and saw a limited edition MX5 on display. They said > that the limited edition wasn't for test driving, but he could take > the standard model which drives the same so he could get a feel for > it. he came back from the test drive and pointed at the limited > edition and said, "I'll have one of those". > The salesman asked him to come inside to fill in the finance forms and > he just handed him his credit card and said "Just put it on this". > The salesman looked a bit shocked when he went in but was smiling when > he came out and said that the car would be ready on Wednesday.
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> Have someone come along with a camcorder... > > > -- > Mark Roberts > Photography and writing > www.robertstech.com > What about one of those mp3 type of voice recorders that look like a jump drive.??Never know what hit them. I bet if the salesman/manager see's a video they'll clam up. Last two times i have been at Henry's in Newmarket, customers have been comparing a Pentax and or Canon and Nikon. I quite often want to correct he salesman on his mis leading remarks on the Pentax gear, but dont have the courage. Dave
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> We have a box retailer in Canada called Bset Buy. > We have another called Future Shop. > I believe Best Buy owns Future Shop. You are correct. > One sells Pentax DSLRs, the other sells Nikon. > A friend of mine just shoed up with his new D70. > He preferred the Pentax offering, and it was much less money. > Sadly, he believed the Nikon sales droid who told him that CCD's were passe, > that the one in the Pentax was failure prone and that all the real camera > makers were using CMOS, just like his Nikon. I beleived the D2X has the Cmos, the D70 and D200 have CCD;s if i read the specs right. > My friend was quite put off when I showed him the specs in his camera > documentation. > We might go to Best Buy on the weekend so that I can grace his salesman with > my most charming and best behaved self. You go guy.:-) Dave > > William Robb > >
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"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >We have a box retailer in Canada called Bset Buy. >We have another called Future Shop. >I believe Best Buy owns Future Shop. >One sells Pentax DSLRs, the other sells Nikon. >A friend of mine just shoed up with his new D70. >He preferred the Pentax offering, and it was much less money. >Sadly, he believed the Nikon sales droid who told him that CCD's were passe, >that the one in the Pentax was failure prone and that all the real camera >makers were using CMOS, just like his Nikon. >My friend was quite put off when I showed him the specs in his camera >documentation. >We might go to Best Buy on the weekend so that I can grace his salesman with >my most charming and best behaved self. Have someone come along with a camcorder... -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Leon Altoff wrote: John Francis wrote: Someone I know had a different experience. He was driving along and though he might like to buy a convertible (he does this). He stopped at a Honda dealership and asked to test drive their convertible. He was dressed very casually at the time - shorts, polo shirt, $2000 watch - and the salesman replied with "You can drive it when you've bought it". He just shook his head and went away. On his way home he passed a Mazda dealership and saw a limited edition MX5 on display. They said that the limited edition wasn't for test driving, but he could take the standard model which drives the same so he could get a feel for it. he came back from the test drive and pointed at the limited edition and said, "I'll have one of those". The salesman asked him to come inside to fill in the finance forms and he just handed him his credit card and said "Just put it on this". The salesman looked a bit shocked when he went in but was smiling when he came out and said that the car would be ready on Wednesday. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon But he forgot the most important part - driving back to the Honda dealership with the credit card receipt, and waving it under the Honda salesman's (and his boss') nose! Ciao, Peter in Sydney
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John Francis wrote: I'm in the process of beginning to shop for a new car. One option is a BMW Z4, but they get pretty expensive. So I registered with I'm going to pay another visit to the dealership, and let the sales manager know: 1) How much I appreciate their low-pressure showroom staff 2) Just how much I dislike having some arrogant little twit telling me I don't know what I want, and to instead switch to buying what he happens to have on the lot. Someone I know had a different experience. He was driving along and though he might like to buy a convertible (he does this). He stopped at a Honda dealership and asked to test drive their convertible. He was dressed very casually at the time - shorts, polo shirt, $2000 watch - and the salesman replied with "You can drive it when you've bought it". He just shook his head and went away. On his way home he passed a Mazda dealership and saw a limited edition MX5 on display. They said that the limited edition wasn't for test driving, but he could take the standard model which drives the same so he could get a feel for it. he came back from the test drive and pointed at the limited edition and said, "I'll have one of those". The salesman asked him to come inside to fill in the finance forms and he just handed him his credit card and said "Just put it on this". The salesman looked a bit shocked when he went in but was smiling when he came out and said that the car would be ready on Wednesday. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, William Robb wrote: We might go to Best Buy on the weekend so that I can grace his salesman with my most charming and best behaved self. Can your mate carry a camcorder, please? Kostas
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John Francis wrote: > I'm going to pay another visit to the dealership, and let the > sales manager know: > > 1) How much I appreciate their low-pressure showroom staff > > 2) Just how much I dislike having some arrogant little twit > telling me I don't know what I want, and to instead switch > to buying what he happens to have on the lot. Oh, I just love this! I went through this with a local Land-Rover dealer. I'd put money on the manager remembering the conversation I had with him. Malcolm
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> We might go to Best Buy on the weekend so that I can grace his > salesman with my most charming and best behaved self. Give'm hell! Regards, John John Whittingham Technician "you can't be optimistic with a misty optic" -- Original Message --- From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discuss" Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:04:30 -0600 Subject: Interesting marketing > We have a box retailer in Canada called Bset Buy. > We have another called Future Shop. > I believe Best Buy owns Future Shop. > One sells Pentax DSLRs, the other sells Nikon. > A friend of mine just shoed up with his new D70. > He preferred the Pentax offering, and it was much less money. > Sadly, he believed the Nikon sales droid who told him that CCD's > were passe, that the one in the Pentax was failure prone and that > all the real camera makers were using CMOS, just like his Nikon. My > friend was quite put off when I showed him the specs in his camera documentation. > We might go to Best Buy on the weekend so that I can grace his > salesman with my most charming and best behaved self. > > William Robb --- End of Original Message --- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message.
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On Feb 16, 2006, at 7:04 PM, William Robb wrote: We have a box retailer in Canada called Bset Buy. We have another called Future Shop. I believe Best Buy owns Future Shop. We have a couple of box-stores that are owned by the same parent company. They typically have their stores side-by-side, and many of the products they sell are identical. I know of one local whiteware manufacturer who lock distributors into a dodgy exclusive contract, so owning two chains of stores means they can sell that brand in one store, and all the other brands in the other. [I don't know why the government hasn't jumped all over that manufacturer as it seems anticompetitive] Once I received a small refund due to the price-matching policy after I'd bought something from store and the other had a sale the following week :) We might go to Best Buy on the weekend so that I can grace his salesman with my most charming and best behaved self. I await your amusing tale :) The salesman must be on commission to behave like that, as the parent company won't care which store you buy from. - Dave http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/ http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
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> > From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/02/16 Thu AM 06:04:30 GMT > To: "Pentax Discuss" > Subject: Interesting marketing > > We have a box retailer in Canada called Bset Buy. > We have another called Future Shop. > I believe Best Buy owns Future Shop. > One sells Pentax DSLRs, the other sells Nikon. > A friend of mine just shoed up with his new D70. > He preferred the Pentax offering, and it was much less money. > Sadly, he believed the Nikon sales droid who told him that CCD's were passe, > that the one in the Pentax was failure prone and that all the real camera > makers were using CMOS, just like his Nikon. > My friend was quite put off when I showed him the specs in his camera > documentation. > We might go to Best Buy on the weekend so that I can grace his salesman with > my most charming and best behaved self. > Will there be video? - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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On Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 12:04:30AM -0600, William Robb wrote: > We might go to Best Buy on the weekend so that I can grace his salesman with > my most charming and best behaved self. I really despair of salesmen. I'm in the process of beginning to shop for a new car. One option is a BMW Z4, but they get pretty expensive. So I registered with BMW to be notified by email if a "certified pre-owned" Z4 with the particular rare set of options that I want comes on the market. Unfortunately this means that BMW have my email address, and pass it on to my local BMW dealer. I wasn't too bothered by this, because I've been in that dealership, and they are a very low-pressure outfit. Apparently this doesn't seem to apply to their eMail contact. Not only did I get email from him as soon as he saw I was interested in Z4s, trying to get me to come in and look at the cars he had on the lot (none of which were anywhere close to my pre-owned search criteria), but when I explained this to him, and told him what I was looking for, I got email back telling me I didn't want to look for those options, but would be better off changing my criteria. I'm going to pay another visit to the dealership, and let the sales manager know: 1) How much I appreciate their low-pressure showroom staff 2) Just how much I dislike having some arrogant little twit telling me I don't know what I want, and to instead switch to buying what he happens to have on the lot.
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Bring a tape recorder. Please. Reminds me of the time the sales monkey told me I should get the Nikon because the "Ni-core" lenses were better. When I asked how, she told me they were built better. I proceeded to point out the metal mount on the Pentax kit lens vs. the plastic mount on the Nikkor. She responded with something along the lines of "you can't get accessories for the Pentax." Gotta love it. On 2/16/06, Jon Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, do describe in detail the exchange. ;) > > > --- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'd love to be there for that... maybe pick up a DS2 > > as well > > > > Shel > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: William Robb > > > > > We have a box retailer in Canada called Bset Buy. > > > We have another called Future Shop. > > > I believe Best Buy owns Future Shop. > > > One sells Pentax DSLRs, the other sells Nikon. > > > A friend of mine just shoed up with his new D70. > > > He preferred the Pentax offering, and it was much > > less money. > > > Sadly, he believed the Nikon sales droid who told > > him that CCD's were > > passe, > > > that the one in the Pentax was failure prone and > > that all the real camera > > > makers were using CMOS, just like his Nikon. > > > My friend was quite put off when I showed him the > > specs in his camera > > > documentation. > > > We might go to Best Buy on the weekend so that I > > can grace his salesman > > with > > > my most charming and best behaved self. > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- "You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman
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Yeah, do describe in detail the exchange. ;) --- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd love to be there for that... maybe pick up a DS2 > as well > > Shel > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: William Robb > > > We have a box retailer in Canada called Bset Buy. > > We have another called Future Shop. > > I believe Best Buy owns Future Shop. > > One sells Pentax DSLRs, the other sells Nikon. > > A friend of mine just shoed up with his new D70. > > He preferred the Pentax offering, and it was much > less money. > > Sadly, he believed the Nikon sales droid who told > him that CCD's were > passe, > > that the one in the Pentax was failure prone and > that all the real camera > > makers were using CMOS, just like his Nikon. > > My friend was quite put off when I showed him the > specs in his camera > > documentation. > > We might go to Best Buy on the weekend so that I > can grace his salesman > with > > my most charming and best behaved self. > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I'd love to be there for that... maybe pick up a DS2 as well Shel > [Original Message] > From: William Robb > We have a box retailer in Canada called Bset Buy. > We have another called Future Shop. > I believe Best Buy owns Future Shop. > One sells Pentax DSLRs, the other sells Nikon. > A friend of mine just shoed up with his new D70. > He preferred the Pentax offering, and it was much less money. > Sadly, he believed the Nikon sales droid who told him that CCD's were passe, > that the one in the Pentax was failure prone and that all the real camera > makers were using CMOS, just like his Nikon. > My friend was quite put off when I showed him the specs in his camera > documentation. > We might go to Best Buy on the weekend so that I can grace his salesman with > my most charming and best behaved self.
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We have a box retailer in Canada called Bset Buy. We have another called Future Shop. I believe Best Buy owns Future Shop. One sells Pentax DSLRs, the other sells Nikon. A friend of mine just shoed up with his new D70. He preferred the Pentax offering, and it was much less money. Sadly, he believed the Nikon sales droid who told him that CCD's were passe, that the one in the Pentax was failure prone and that all the real camera makers were using CMOS, just like his Nikon. My friend was quite put off when I showed him the specs in his camera documentation. We might go to Best Buy on the weekend so that I can grace his salesman with my most charming and best behaved self. William Robb
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On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 12:23 PM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: I was in WalMart this a.m. Kodak has an odd retail package. 4 rolls of 400 color print film, plus 1 roll of 400 b&w film. The outside of the box doesn't say what type of b&w film it is -- CN, Tri-X, or T-Max. Odd that they'd push b&w like that. Maybe it's just surplus. Collin I bought one of those last month. I think it was the film they market as "Kodak Black & White" a C-41 film. I think they just want even more people to try it. Dan Scott
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I was in WalMart this a.m. Kodak has an odd retail package. 4 rolls of 400 color print film, plus 1 roll of 400 b&w film. The outside of the box doesn't say what type of b&w film it is -- CN, Tri-X, or T-Max. Odd that they'd push b&w like that. Maybe it's just surplus. Collin
