Re: Vince Gill

[vgs399]

On Saturday in my area we got both the Austin City Limits with Old
97s and Whiskeytown *and* this Vince Gill special.

Anyone know whether this is going to be rebroadcast?

As far as the Vince Gill "Live By Request" special:

It will be rebroadcast  Sunday, February 14 10:00 pm - midnight
and again on Monday, February 15 2:00 am - 4:00 am.
Tera

RE:Our Favorite Band

[Christopher Adams]

http://205.186.189.2/cg/x.exe?p=amgsql=A56836
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Christopher Adams
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Title: All-Music Guide

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spRock  Our Favorite Band is Maury O'Rourk and Donald Spicer; with the help of some heavyweight pals (Jason Ringenberg, Warner Hodges, Michael Stipe, Steve Forbert), they've put out a breezy, polished, tuneful LP of nuevo country-western. It's not surprising to see both Ringenberg and Forbert on this disc, since any one of these songs could (and in Forbert's case should) be on one of their albums...These guys also had the good sense to cover Rodney Crowell's "Leavin' Louisiana..."  --  John Dougan, Option q2_871987LPBig Time6041-1-B8CSBig Time6041-4-B8Steve Forbert-HarmonicaTim Krekel-GuitarJeff Johnson-BassDoug Easley-Guitar, Piano, Guitar (Steel)Warner Hodges-GuitarRoss Johnson-D!
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Re: soul, etc

[Barry Mazor]

I've deferred on my response to this as I've been trying to find an old
article clipping  in which Berry talks about his beginnings and how he
credits Chess, Stax (and others) as the impetous for his success.

I think you'll find that the label Gordy Berry would credit most for
inspiring him was Vee Jay--which was, after all, black-owned and operated
and did  produce crossover pop hits. (Motown eventually put out an
excellent compilation on Motown called "Hits from the Legendary Vee Jay
Records" with Betty Everett and Jerry Butler and Jimmy Reed and Dee Clark
and Roscoe Gordon and the Dells and BobEarl--talk about a label Elvis
knew!...not to speak of that little British import act the Beatles they
quietly introduced.)

Stax was gritty and Motown was pretty.  I love both, except I think Stewart
allowed more artistic freedom, whereas I've heard that Gordy flaunted the
whip with his artists.  Much good music came out of Motown, but still I have
to wonder how much of it was "manufactured" for top 40 sake?
Tera

Well, it was ALL manufactured to get to Top 40 if it could! And they both
had distinctive sounds, after all.  But Motown's ambition  was  to do
something else--to produce acts that could break through to take in he big
bucks and yes respect appearing live anywhere--including Las Vegas, night
clubs, movies, television--none of which had very much been possible.   You
could say that  Motown wasjust doing more than Stax-Volt  to "make it with
the white folks"--but then, I suppose you'd have to say the same thing
about Col. Parker and Elvis--who wanted excatly the same Big Time  show biz
goals!

As for Stax=grit and Motown=pretty--as a longtime fan of both, I'd have to
say that this rounds out their depth and breadth too much.  Martha and the
VDs pretty not gritty?  The Temptations?  (And what David no doubt likes
about those Philly folks is that crossing of gritty and pretty.)
Maybe what us Stax supporters would say is that it's definitely the most
country of the three!  Though there wer other southern soul labels that
could do that too, at this they were unsurpassed. And when these hard soul
artists turn to n outright country lyric, it never seems a stretch.
The Supremes sing Country? Well they did--but they never thought to  get
David's advice on picking the right Countripolitan records to play with...
See, that might have been ineteresting!

Barry

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[Stevie Simkin]

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Stevie

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Re: WOW! (from Alex)

[Stevie Simkin]

Jon Weisberger wrote:


 Stevie, this kind of implies that before 1990 or so country music was widely

 respected in the UK.  Is that correct?

Oh, OK.  I'll admit to indulging a grouchy outburst rather than a considered
expression of opinion.  What is different between 1990 and 1999 I would say is
that country music has much wider exposure over here than it ever did before,
and there is the Daniel O'Donnell factor to contend with too.  The odd
phenomenon of Scots and Irish singers doing cod American country music for a
predoinantly female over 50s audience is one I still cannot fully get my head
around.  Both via this route, and via Shania and Garth and LeAnn's crossovers,
UK audiences are much more aware of country than they were before, and have more
to laugh at.

If I ever admit to my students that I like (some) country music, I have to do it
in a very guarded manner to protect any shreds of credibility I may still own in
their eyes.  I go via the American music - roots - American folk traditions -
thing, and usually stress the alt-country first, at least, talking about wedding
punk ethos with country tradition blah blah blah.  But since if it's not techno
(or derivative 60s guitar driven Britpop, Oasis come on down), it ain't hip, I'm
pretty much on a losing wicket from the get go.  It just hit me (again) that
most of these kids weren't born when punk happened.  I did find a 20 year old
student who liked Ben Harper recently. I nearly had a coronary.

Stevie

Re: WOW! (from Alex)

[Phil Dennison]

 
  Oh, and the other thing is, we found this great CD shop
  today... as in they're Alt Country section was about the
  size of their Pop music section. Anyway, we came across
  that Lucinda williams CD that was stolen for cheep.
 
 I got this email from the boy, who is in London. Alt.country the size of
 Pop?  Can this be true?  You English P2ers know?.  Is it only outside
 the U.S that one can find this stuff in retail shops?
 

There do seem to be more shops in the UK stocking US indie releases at
sensible prices now, I think Direct Distribution do well at putting things
like Bloodshot CDs in the stores. Even Tower had a promotion on these
about a year ago. I recently picked up the Wandering Eyes and Kate Wolf
tribute compilations at UK prices.

That shop does sound good though, any more details on location?

Phil Dennison ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Hank question

[Jon Weisberger]

Ha, I mean Hank Thompson.  I was listening this morning to "We've Gone Too
Far," on the Capitol Collector's Series CD, and caught what sure sounded
like a Dale Potter lick on the fiddle break, but I don't know that Potter
ever recorded with Thompson, at least not that early (1954), and I was under
the impression, perhaps wrongly, that Thompson was recording out west.  So
now I'm really curious as to who the fiddler was; does anyone have the
Thompson boxed set to check it out?

Jon Weisberger  Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
Website revised 2/1/99

RE: All Music Guide

[Jeff Weiss]

At 09:40 PM 1/31/99 -0500, you wrote:
Can anyone recommend or not the All Music Guide to Country Music?

I haven't seen this volume, but I'd be cautious; the AMG website, while
useful, isn't always reliable.  They seem to have a hard time properly
tracking more than one person with the same name; the most egregious mistake
that I've seen in this regard, which I hope has been corrected by now, was
their consolidated discography for Earl Taylor the bluegrass musican and
Earl Taylor the jazz musician...


I was checking on the Gin Blossoms and was looking at the credits for
Robert Becker. Was I surprised when I *learned* Becker had played a variety
of string instruments in the mid seventies for various jazz fusion artists.

jeff


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Alt-Country, rockabilly, bluegrass, folk, power pop and tons more.

Re: NDubb

[Jeff Weiss]

At 12:21 PM 2/1/99 -0800, you wrote:
On Mon, 1 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ooops. It was supposed to be "Show me his *birth* certificate." Duh. That's

Anybody needing the *real* scoop on Mr. Weiss, just E-Mail me late next
week.  I'm planning on a little visit to LA next week just to check on his
P2 creds.  Boy, he'd better hide those Yanni CD's that I just know he has
in his collection. g


Remember, Neal lives in Hollywood. Given this advance notice he can arrange
a complete Hollywood "makeover" of his life.. until you leave. remember,
anything is possible in the land of dreams.

Feel free to gag

Jeff




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FREE printed Catalog: (818) 883-9975 fax: (818) 992-8302, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Alt-Country, rockabilly, bluegrass, folk, power pop and tons more.

Re: WOW! (from Alex)

[lance davis]

If I ever admit to my students that I like (some) country music, I have to
do it
in a very guarded manner to protect any shreds of credibility I may still
own in
their eyes.

Stevie

Hey Stevie, what sort of credibility could Oasis fans possibly offer you?

Re: WOW! (from Alex)

[Will Miner]

On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, lance davis wrote:

 what sort of credibility could Oasis fans possibly offer you?


Now *that* is the correct question to be asking.  Ought to ask it all the 
time.  Replace "Oasis" with anything, *anything*, and it's a great 
question. 

Will Miner
Denver, CO

Re: Hank question

[Lord Rat]

At 09:15 AM 2/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
Ha, I mean Hank Thompson.  I was listening this morning to "We've Gone Too
Far," on the Capitol Collector's Series CD, and caught what sure sounded
like a Dale Potter lick on the fiddle break, but I don't know that Potter
ever recorded with Thompson, at least not that early (1954), and I was under
the impression, perhaps wrongly, that Thompson was recording out west.  So
now I'm really curious as to who the fiddler was; does anyone have the
Thompson boxed set to check it out?

Jon Weisberger  Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
Website revised 2/1/99
 
I can't help you, but maybe you can help me. I love the Vintage Collection
of Hank Thompson, and have been thinking of buying the Capitol Collector's
CD from BMG Music Club. But since it is out of print everywhere else, I
can't get a track list. I don't want to but it if it overlaps the Vintage
CD too much, so if you could provide a track list or, if you have both,
just tell me the # of tracks shared by both CDs.

Thanks

RE: Hank question

[Don Yates]

Here's the track listings for the RCA Essential Hank Snow compilation.
I'd say it looks like a solid Snow primer.  Unfortunately, unlike all the
other American major-label country music reissue series, RCA charges full
price for their Essential comps (and generally does a shoddier job to
boot).  Still, this looks like a good 'un.--don

01. Rhumba Boogie 
02. I'm Movin' On 
03. The Golden Rocket 
04. Unwanted Sign Upon Your Heart 
05. Music Makin' Mama From Memphis 
06. The Gold Rush Is Over 
07. I Don't Hurt Anymore 
08. (Now And Then, There's) A Fool Such As I 
09. The Gal Who Invented Kissin' 
10. I Went To Your Wedding 
11. Would You Mind 
12. Lady's Man 
13. Yellow Roses 
14. Miller's Cave 
15. Beggar To A King 
16. I've Been Everywhere 
17. Ninety Miles An Hour 
18. Let Me Go, Lover 
19. The Wishing Well 
20. Hello Love 
 

On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Jon, you mention Hank Snow, an artist I'd love to buy a good
 compilation of. Can you recommend one? 
 
   Kip
 
 

songs of love and hate (was Re: Hank question)

[Carl Abraham Zimring]

Some of the Hank Snow songs Don mentioned got me to thinking. 
Valentine's Day is coming up, and I'm doing my annual love songs and
breakup songs shows in the next couple of weeks.  Anyone have favorites
from either camp?  Depending on our library, I'm open to requests.

Carl Z. 

Re: Motown stuff

[lance davis]

Once The
Corporation let Wonder and Gaye loose on their own, they produced some
great albums, no question--but they also produced Here My Dear and The
Secret Life of Plants, for example

Cantwell


Wasn't "Here, My Dear" Marvin's alimony "settlement" to his ex-wife? If so,
I could see how he may have been less-than-inspired to create anything more
than a toss-off. Not that it excuses it mind you, but it does make for
interesting context.


Yeah, the Temptations had the smooth/gritty thing down cold.  Really
polished harmonies backing David Ruffin's gospel shouts, all backed by
an ace band -- it got no better than this.

Carl Z.


Though I can't disagree with this assertion, the three-year period following
Ruffin's departure deserves a shout-out. Replacing the
seemingly-irreplacable Ruffin with Dennis Edwards of the Contours ("Do You
Love Me?") was an inspired choice, and made for such classics as "Cloud
Nine," "Runaway Child, Running Wild," "Don't Let the Joneses Get You Down,"
and the, ahem, very Stax-influenced "Gonna Keep on Tryin' Till I Win Your
Love." By the time Eddie Kendricks left in '71, the Temps--and Motown as a
whole, I would say--began to noticeably suffer a drop in their game. But
until then . . . man. It really didn't get much better than that.

Lance . . .

RE: Hank question

[Jon Weisberger]

   Jon, you mention Hank Snow, an artist I'd love to buy a good
 compilation of. Can you recommend one?

The Bombmeister is right that The Essential is a decent collection and that
you'll probably have to pay full price for it.  There's another widely
available collection, Snow Country (Pair) that's budget-priced, and there's
a nominally out-of-print collection called I'm Movin' On and Other Great
Country Hits that can usually be scared up somewhere or other (especially
via BMG's music club), also budget-priced, and with only 2 duplicates from
Snow Country.  Between the two of them, just about all of Essential is
covered, plus a bunch more.

Best bang for the buck, then, is the I'm Movin' On/Snow Country combo (40
cuts, c. $22); best single-disc overview is The Essential (20 cuts, c. $15).
If you're really tight on dough and you don't care so much about having the
hits, Snow Country (20 cuts, c. $11) is o.k. on its own - not that there
aren't plenty of hits on it, but not of the same order as on the Essential.

Jon Weisberger  Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
Website revised 2/1/99

FWD: wilco

[Chaco Daniel]

My only question: more mellow than the last album. I thought 'Being There' was pretty 
darn mellow overall.


CD

--
Date: 2/2/99 7:26 PM
From: greg randall
Wilco Looks To Cut Its 'Teeth' On A Larger Audience 
  BY CARLA HAY

  NEW YORK -- Wilco's folk- and country-influenced rock sound has 
garnered cult status for the band. But with the March 9 release of the group's "Summer 
Teeth" album, Reprise Records hopes  to take Wilco to a level of even wider acceptance.
  Wilco lead singer/songwriter Jeff Tweedy says, "I have no idea how people are going 
to react to the new album. I certainly care, because making music is my livelihood. 
But after I make a record,
  that's the last thing I feel like thinking about: whether or not the new album will 
sell more than the
 last one." 
  The set's first single, "Can't Stand It," goes to triple-A on 
Feb. 15.
  The label will take the song to modern and album rock radio on
  March 9.

  Although "Can't Stand It" has an uptempo, rollicking feel,
  "Summer Teeth," Wilco's third Reprise album, has a decidedly
  more mellow sound than its predecessor, the critically acclaimed
  1996 double album "Being There." The disc has sold 147,000
  copies, according to SoundScan.

  To increase awareness of the new album, Wilco will perform Feb.
  17 at industry gathering Gavin Seminar in New Orleans. In March,
  the band will be making promotional appearances in Canada and
  New York, followed by Europe. In addition, Wilco is booked to
  appear April 1 on "Late Show With David Letterman."

  Wilco -- which includes bassist John Stirratt and drummer Ken 
Coomer -- was formed in 1994 after the demise of Tweedy's previous group, Uncle 
Tupelo. The band released its first album, "A.M.," in 1995 and is managed by Tom 
Margaherita.

  Plans for a new Wilco video will be "based on radio's response to the new single," 
says
 Reprise/Warner Bros. VP of artist development/creative marketing (U.S.) Gary Briggs. 
He adds that
 word-of-mouth about Wilco has grown since "Being There" was released: "I think Wilco 
going on
 the Sheryl Crow tour really helped place this band in front of a pop audience that we 
never had
   before."

 In the period between "Being There" and the release of "Summer Teeth," Tweedy has 
toured as a
  member of Golden Smog (a band that also features members of the Jayhawks and Soul 
Asylum),
 which has released two albums: "Down By The Old Mainstream" (1996) and "Weird Tales" 
(1998).

   Wilco also collaborated with Billy Bragg on last year's "Mermaid Avenue," which 
put Woody
 Guthrie lyrics to music.

 Tweedy says of the collaboration with Bragg: "I think he affected me as a person. The 
experience
 made me open up a little bit and trust myself more. I've been growing as a 
songwriter. Hopefully, I
  can continue to grow." Wilco's songs are published by 
Warner/Chappell (ASCAP).

 As for another collaboration in the future with Golden Smog, Tweedy says, "I don't 
see why not."

Wilco, booked by Frank Raleigh of Peninsula Artists, has developed a reputation as 
a
crowd-pleasing live act. Tour plans for "Summer Teeth" are under way, and Tweedy 
says, "We want to put together a more organized show than we did on the last [Wilco] 
tour. On the last tour, we
  went without a set list or had a vague set list. I don't ever want to lose the 
ability to react and
 respond to an audience."

  He concludes, "I appreciate that we have an audience, but I've never really been 
good about
   doing hasn't  been in vain."

Re: soul, etc

[David Cantwell]

At 10:36 AM 2/2/99 -0600, good ol' Stormin' Soron wrote:

I'm not disagreeing, David, and I'm not putting words in your mouth, but
this seems to me to be a heartbeat away from the commercial assumption
that, if it sells well, it must be good.

I guess I'm saying it doesn't work EITHER direction--commerical success
doesn't mean music will suck, and it doesn't mean it will be great either.
Though if we look back through the history of American pop, it's important
to remember most of what gets heralded as great was also popular--which is
exactly what it was trying like hell to be. 

 I think "entire" and "resounding"
are too strong for what you are saying.

I mean the "entire" not to refer every single single ever put out, hardly,
but to mean every part of the American popular musical tradition. And
resounding, from where I sit, probably isn't strong enough. --david cantwell

PS: I don't know about Jerry Curry's record collection, but MINE sure is
good! g

Re: Motown stuff

[David Cantwell]

At 11:47 AM 2/2/99 -0600, about Marvin Gaye's Here My Dear, Lance wrote:

Wasn't "Here, My Dear" Marvin's alimony "settlement" to his ex-wife? If so,
I could see how he may have been less-than-inspired to create anything more
than a toss-off. Not that it excuses it mind you, but it does make for
interesting context.

It was part of the alimony deal, at least as I recall, but it was also just
a very angry and vindictive and honest and (often) beautiful way of getting
back at a spouse and dealing with a divorce.  I think marvin would've
argued--and many others have definately done so-- that this situation
created more inspiration in him, not less. He certainly didn't intend it as
a toss off, as even a casual listen to this lush and intricate double album
will attest. --david cantwell

Re: songs of love and hate (was Re: Hank question)

[Erin Snyder]

Speaking of Hank S. - "Married by the Bible, Divorced by the Law" would be
good for both shows.  Heh, heh.

Erin

At 12:40 PM 2/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
Some of the Hank Snow songs Don mentioned got me to thinking. 
Valentine's Day is coming up, and I'm doing my annual love songs and
breakup songs shows in the next couple of weeks.  Anyone have favorites
from either camp?  Depending on our library, I'm open to requests.

Carl Z. 
 

Re: wilco

[Ndubb]

 My only question: more mellow than the last album. I thought 'Being There'
was pretty darn mellow overall. 

I'm not sure I'd call it more mellow. I think the real difference is that the
guitars and twang are mostly removed in favor of pianos. If pianos = more
mellow, than so be it. There's still plenty pop, that's for sure. 

NW

RE: Motown stuff

[Jon Weisberger]

Mark me down as a big fan of Here, My Dear, from the music to the cover art.

Jon Weisberger  Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
Website revised 2/1/99

RE: songs of love and hate (was Re: Hank question)

[Jon Weisberger]

Erin says:

 Speaking of Hank S. - "Married by the Bible, Divorced by the Law" would be
 good for both shows.  Heh, heh.

Which is on Snow Country, but not on The Essential.

On the other hand, "I Went To Your Wedding" is on The Essential, but not the
2 CDs I recommended, and it's another one you ought to think about, Carl:

"Your mother was crying, your father was crying
And I was crying too..."

Jon Weisberger  Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
Website revised 2/1/99

PLAYLIST: Progressive Torch and Twang, 26 January 1999

[Douglas Neal]

Re: wilco

[David Cantwell]

At 01:12 PM 2/2/99 EST, Neil wrote:

I'm not sure I'd call it more mellow. I think the real difference is that the
guitars and twang are mostly removed in favor of pianos. If pianos = more
mellow, than so be it. There's still plenty pop, that's for sure. 

I agree, mellow is hardly a word I'd use to describe the new album, not
lyrically or in terms of the sound. 

You're probably right, though, about the reason why it'd get called
that--pianos instead of guitars, so of course it MUST be mellow. Oh
brother...  --dc

Re: songs of love and hate (was Re: Hank question)

[Jamie Hoover]

I'll take any suggestions as well for the Hot, Sweet and Sour Valentine's
Day Show.

Jamie

Carl Abraham Zimring wrote:

 Some of the Hank Snow songs Don mentioned got me to thinking.
 Valentine's Day is coming up, and I'm doing my annual love songs and
 breakup songs shows in the next couple of weeks.  Anyone have favorites
 from either camp?  Depending on our library, I'm open to requests.

 Carl Z.

Re: wilco

[Slate71]

I'm not sure I'd call it more mellow. I think the real difference is that
the
guitars and twang are mostly removed in favor of pianos. If pianos = more
mellow, than so be it. There's still plenty pop, that's for sure. 


I would have to agree, wilco has gone in a sort of pop direction with some of
their songs and added more piano to "being there" although i do like this
album i wish they would do more of the twang it fits tweedy voice sooo
well,until then ill just have to listen to more tupelo 

Re: Hank question

[William F. Silvers]

Jon Weisberger wrote:

 I realize I'm probably in the minority on this, but for sheer enjoyment,
 I'll take Hank Thompson over Hank Williams just about any day.  Hank Snow,
 too, for that matter.  Ain't taste a wonderful thing?

Well, any chance to agree with Jon shouldn't be missed. g Um, me too, on Hank
Thompson anyhow. Something about his smooth blend of honky-tonk and swing hits a
very sweet spot for me. Of course, it's like "who's better, Hank Aaron or Willie
Mays". They can both play for me. gI've only got that RCA Hank Snow comp, so I
shouldn't say much, other'n I like that disc just fine.

b.s.

Re: Global Media

[RoCogs]

In a message dated 99-02-02 13:38:13 EST, you write:

 And as long as, according to the website, you're willing to sign away
 royalties for the webcast.
  


wha' the hI don't get it. Is all internet radio like that, I wonder?

Elena

Re: Motown stuff

[Carl Abraham Zimring]

Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 2-Feb-99 RE: Motown stuff by
"Jon Weisberger"@fuse.ne 
 Mark me down as a big fan of Here, My Dear, from the music to the cover art.

Oh yeah, and that gatefold Monopoly board sleeve.  Man, what a
statement.  Berry Gordy could not have been happy about having to
release that slam at his daughter.

Carl Z. 

Re: songs of love and hate (was Re: Hank question)

[Carl Abraham Zimring]

Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 2-Feb-99 RE: songs of love
and hate .. by "Jon Weisberger"@fuse.ne 
 Erin says:
 
  Speaking of Hank S. - "Married by the Bible, Divorced by the Law" would be
  good for both shows.  Heh, heh.
 
 Which is on Snow Country, but not on The Essential.
 
 On the other hand, "I Went To Your Wedding" is on The Essential, but not the
 2 CDs I recommended, and it's another one you ought to think about, Carl:
 
 "Your mother was crying, your father was crying
 And I was crying too..."
 
Points taken.  Note to self: Mark these down as "Songs that will not be
played at my wedding".

Carl Z. 

FW: Feb 5 6 Opry Performances

[Jon Weisberger]

-Original Message-
From: Bluegrass music discussion. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Rhonda Vincent
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 1:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Feb 5  6 Opry Performances


We'll be performing at the "INCREDIBLEY AWESOME"   "Grand Ole Opry"
on Friday - 2/5 at 8:30 p.m. Saturday - 2/6 at 11:30 p.m.

Rhonda VincentThe Rage (Steve Sutton, Ron Spears, Don Lewis,  Randy
Barnes) http://www.kvmo.net/~rhondav

Re: FWD: wilco

[William F. Silvers]

Chaco clipped:

 Wilco, booked by Frank Raleigh of Peninsula Artists, has developed a reputation 
as a
 crowd-pleasing live act. Tour plans for "Summer Teeth" are under way, and Tweedy 
says, "We want to put together a more organized show than we did on the last [Wilco] 
tour. On the last tour, we
   went without a set list or had a vague set list. I don't ever want to lose the 
ability to react and
  respond to an audience."

With various meats and cheeses? g Nah, gotta love that attitude. And the part about 
a more organized show, well, that's promising.

   He concludes, "I appreciate that we have an audience, but I've never really been 
good about
doing hasn't  been in vain."

Uh, what? Did the original read that way Chaco?

b.s.

Re: soul, etc

[Jerry Curry]

On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, David Cantwell wrote:
 
 PS: I don't know about Jerry Curry's record collection, but MINE sure is
 good! g
 

Huh.just waking up after being prodded here.  My record collection?
Well, my record collection is quite um, eclectic.  it's also in pretty
poor shape since a large percentage of my vinyl came direct from garage
sales  flea markets.

Quite strong in early 70's arena rock and mid 80's Euro-synth pop.  Really
lacking in the soul area.  However, I'm making up for that by acquiring
CD's right  left.

Again, my vinyl is destined for digital reformatting and then I'll divest
it.  Just takes too much damn room.  When I say digital reformatting, I'm
talking DVD-R, NOT that damn CD-R technology.  Not enough space savings in
my humble opinion.

Jerry - who is picking up a Sharp Mobilon handheld tomorrow.  Death to all
laptops, I say.

Re: FWD: wilco

[Chaco Daniel]

 Reply to:   Re: FWD: wilco
No, the original said something else.  
(Blame my inferior clipping skills. I'm just a Caveman. Your system of modern checks 
and balances frightens me) 
I've already trashed it though. Don't worry though, it wasn't as controversial as, 
say, Jeff writing 40 songs on a digeradoo. g

CD
np: Case--Full Service

William F. Silvers wrote:
Chaco clipped:
   He concludes, "I appreciate that we have an audience, but I've never really 
been good about
doing hasn't  been in vain."

Uh, what? Did the original read that way Chaco?

b.s.

Re: soul, etc

[Don Yates]

On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Scary Jerry wrote:

 Come on over folks for a great dose of Bad Company, Foghat, Rainbow,
 Deep Purple, UFO, Yes, Asis, Al Stewart, Blancmange, Ultravox,
 Communards.

You just *had* to name names, didn't ya?  Don't you realize that it's
almost lunchtime on the West Coast?  Jeez, and I was actually kinda hungry
before reading Jerry's post.  What's most frightening about Jerry is a
fella with that kind of a musical "background" could somehow end up with
fairly decent taste in twang.  *All* of us should think seriously about
what that means.g--don

Re: Hank Answer

[Steve Reid]

Ha, I mean Hank Thompson.  I was listening this morning to "We've Gone Too
Far," on the Capitol Collector's Series CD, and caught what sure sounded
like a Dale Potter lick on the fiddle break, but I don't know that Potter
ever recorded with Thompson, at least not that early (1954), and I was under
the impression, perhaps wrongly, that Thompson was recording out west.  So
now I'm really curious as to who the fiddler was; does anyone have the
Thompson boxed set to check it out?

Jon Weisberger  Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
Website revised 2/1/99

Being the lucky owner of the Hank Thompson box set (yes I think he is the
pick of the Hanks as well) the fiddlers listed on this session were: 
Amos Lee Hedrick and Bob White.
Rest of the players were:
Billy Gray - guitar
Merle Travis - lead guitar
Bobbie White - Steel guitar
Pee Wee Whitewing - Steel guitar
Billy Briggs Stewart - Bass guitar
Kermit L Baca- Drums
Gilbert Baca - piano

You have to question the motives of record companies when they allow series
as good as the "Capitol Collectors" to be largely out of print. I believe
there were something like 40 cds issued and there are probably only half a
dozen or so available now.

There is a great el cheapo Hank Thompson cd on the Fat Boy label out of
England. Although a label of dubious origins it offers an excellent
selection of his Dot recordings much better than the two US collections.
As far as box sets go this, along with the Willie Nelson Rca Years and the
Maddox Brothers and Rose are my personal favourites. And it is hard to beat
Hank Thompson's "Songs for Rounders" when nominating the all time great
country albums. And the hard cover book is just so great as well!!

Steve Reid

~

RE: Hank Answer

[Jon Weisberger]

Thanks, Steve, for the fiddler info.

Now, if someone would only reissue Hank's great Nat King Cole and Mills
Brothers tribute albums on CD...

Jon Weisberger  Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
Website revised 2/1/99

Re: Hay Check this out!

[Mike Hays]

http://www.indieaudio.com/

Does that mean AMERICANA Music could get played?

Like there's not any out there now?

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: passenger side [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: Hay Check this out!


GLOBAL MEDIA Announces Launch of Independent Internet Radio Station
Station Includes E-Commerce Point of Purchase for Music
Global Media Corp. announced today it will be launching an online
Independent Radio Station at http://www.indieaudio.com. [PR
Newswire, 938 words]

Re: Gerald Collier...oh, and Tift Merritt and the Carbines

[Steve Gardner]

Hi everyone,

I thought I'd delurk from digest to say again how I just love the music of
that Gerald Collier.  Don Yates, you are a lucky man to see him.  I guess I
better start searching for his first album.

Reading on digest is pretty much impossible.  With about 150 posts a day I
don't even have the patience to read through the subject headings.  However,
I did see the subject "Gerald Collier" and I had to chime in.  Now, back off
to lurkdom.

Sorry, I didn't add anything to this at all.  What a boring post this was.

Oh, hold it.  I do have something.  Tift Merritt and the Carbines (the buzz
of the town) will be playing a show on Valentine's Day at Henry's Bistro in
Chapel Hill.  Earlier that day she'll be on my shift with a fiddle player
(2pm EST, 2/14).  Check her out.  I saw her with her band last Thursday
night and they were totally freaking amazing.  Great country vocals.  WXDU
is live on the internet so anyone (with a computer and a modem) can tune in.
www.wxdu.duke.edu

Tift and the Carbines have a new seven inch coming out which will triple
their commercial output at this point.  Redeye will be distributing it.  I
assume (hope) that Miles of Music will carry it (they should!)

She did a duet with John Howie from the $2 Pistols the other night.  It was
a great Bobby Bare song that I'd never heard before called something like My
Husband/My Wife...basically a cheating song where each cheater is already
married.

Cheers.
Steve
==
Steve Gardner * Sugar Hill Records Radio Promotion
[EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.sugarhillrecords.com

WXDU "Topsoil" * A Century of Country Music
[EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.topsoil.net
==

RE: Hank Answer

[Bob Soron]

On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Jon Weisberger wrote:

 Now, if someone would only reissue Hank's great Nat King Cole and Mills
 Brothers tribute albums on CD...

I may be assuming more than you really want assumed, Jon, but if you like
the Mills Bros. (as opposed to HT's covers), you might want to wander by
Blues Before Sunrise, usually carried midnight-5 AM Sat. night on public
radio. One of its biggest flaws is the DJ's insistence on playing every
song the Mills Bros. ever recorded, in chronological order by session. He
often keeps it to two or three songs, but sometimes it's much longer than
that. (And seems yet longer.)

Bob

Re: wilco

[Bob Soron]

On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  My only question: more mellow than the last album. I thought 'Being There'
 was pretty darn mellow overall. 
 
 I'm not sure I'd call it more mellow. I think the real difference is that the
 guitars and twang are mostly removed in favor of pianos. 

Following in Ryan Adams' footsteps, then.

Bob

Re: Global Media

[Mike Hays]

And as long as, according to the website, you're willing to sign away
royalties for the webcast.
Jeez, it's not but $750 a year for royalties initially. $500 for BMI and
$250 for ASCAP.  Once you start making any real money with a webcast they'll
want more but in weighing that exact option I knew I would have to program
based on a limited selection because I just don't see most publishers giving
up the royalties from BMI and ASCAP.  Maybe I'm wrong but my guess is the
variety and quality will suffer as a result or they'll do what a lot of
people are doing, holding their breath until BMI or ASCAP send a cease and
desist letter, or worse yet, drop a lawsuit in their laps.

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Re: Global Media/Elena's ?

[Mike Hays]

wha' the hI don't get it. Is all internet radio like that, I wonder?

Elena

Elena, when I play your songs on TwangCast during a reporting period, you as
the songwriter will receive credit for that and a check, maybe a small one
but a check nonetheless.
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Niel Young info needed

[Quentin Wilmot]

Someone had posted the info for the Neil Young 2CD tribute albulm. Can 
someone e-mail me offlist, the information; release date, who's on it, 
title,

Thanks
Quentin

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RE: neil's steel

[Chaco Daniel]

 Reply to:   RE: neil's steel
It's Ben Keith. In fact, I don't know that Neil has used another steel player other 
than Ben. Of course, why would you want to Keith is terrific. Simple, yet evocative 
parts. He's kind of the Mark Knopfler of the steel guitar world.

CD

Stevie Simkin wrote:
Following on from the recent steel guitar thread, does anyone know who
provides the heartbreaking steel on Neil Young's "Tired Eyes" from the
"Tonight's the Night" album?  Just listening to the Decade retrospective
right now

oh, and thanks for those reassurances about my feelings of inadequacy in
the face of my students' musical tastes  g

Stevie

Re: neil's steel

[Ndubb]

 Following on from the recent steel guitar thread, does anyone know who
 provides the heartbreaking steel on Neil Young's "Tired Eyes" from the
 "Tonight's the Night" album?  Just listening to the Decade retrospective
 right now 

Ben Keith. Is now a good time to mention that Tonight's the Night just might
be the greatest rock album ever? At least in my screwy head it is. Or at least
close to it.

NW

RE: neil's steel

[Walker, Jason]

That would be Ben Keith who has provided some particularly melancholy steel
guitar over the years on most of Neil's recordings.
Junior Walker

 --
 From: Stevie Simkin[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 1999 8:27
 To:   passenger side
 Subject:  neil's steel
 
 Following on from the recent steel guitar thread, does anyone know who
 provides the heartbreaking steel on Neil Young's "Tired Eyes" from the
 "Tonight's the Night" album?  Just listening to the Decade retrospective
 right now
 
 oh, and thanks for those reassurances about my feelings of inadequacy in
 the face of my students' musical tastes  g
 
 Stevie
 
 

Re: neil's steel

[marie arsenault]

Jerry - regarding Neil:
Also, hoping to come back with a framed copy of the (in)famous
tallywacker  list.

Is this subject heading a new addition to that list?

marie

Re: neil's steel

[Carl Abraham Zimring]

Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 3-Feb-99 RE: neil's steel by
"Walker, Jason"@acp.com. 
 I'd hafta say that I reckon "Tonight's The Night" is the greatest rock album
 ever - it's red-eyed, wrecked, hungover, loud, soft, melancholy, drug-fu**ed
 and beautiful. If there is a better rock album out there, I ain't heard it
 yet.

It's an excellent album, but I wouldn't even call it my favorite Neil
Young album.  On the Beach has that honor, and I hope Young  Reprise
see fit to reissue it on CD soon.

Carl Z. 

Re: neil's steel

[André Kopostynski]

 Following on from the recent steel guitar thread, does anyone know who
 provides the heartbreaking steel on Neil Young's "Tired Eyes" from the
 "Tonight's the Night" album?  Just listening to the Decade retrospective
 right now 


Ndubb:

Ben Keith. Is now a good time to mention that Tonight's the Night just
might
be the greatest rock album ever? At least in my screwy head it is. Or at
least
close to it.


Tonight's the Night *IS* the greatest rock album ever in this screwy head.

Enuff said

Later...

André Kopostynski
Dallas, Texas
E-mail Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone Home (214) 827-1297

Re: neil's steel

[Stevie Simkin]

Son Volt, incidentally, do a killer version of "Let's Go DownTown..." Or they
used to.  All this Del-Vetts/Stooges stuff is fine, but I'd much rather see
them put that, or "Aint No More Cane", back into their repertoire of
encores...

Stevie

Re: Hay Check this out!

[Mike Hays]

Don't feel Snubbed. I dig yours very much Mike.
But It's only the beginning.
We will be on in a couple of weeks too.
the More chances to get these artist heard the better.

Fred, Dont get me wrong on this, I don't feel snubbed at all.  Our server is
smoking already.  And I agree, the more the better.  I just think if you
want to get your music out there you don't have to sign away all your rights
and a hefty sales fee to boot just because a company wants to avoid paying
the writer's licensing fees. Take a hard look at the site and unless I see
things totally wrong it seems to me another attempt to cash in at the
artists and writers expense disguised as a site offering "exposure".   My
first impression wasn't that much different from some of the snakes I and
others have run across in Nashville and on the web who prey on wannabe's.
The "release" paperwork also seems a little vague.  I wouldn't sign anything
over to these folks without a lawyer drawing it up.  I may be wrong, and if
so, great.  I'm all for legitimate exposure.  KEYWORD-LEGITIMATE, as in
compensated fairly.
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P2 talent, Hogwaller Bystanders

[Mike Hays]

Kudos to the Bystanders and the Hogwaller 
Ramblers for some good tunes well done, even rare on occasion. Listen for 
them soon on TwangCast!

NOW ONLINE, http://www.TwangCast.com TM 

RealCountry netcast 24 X 7 Please 
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Re: Hay Check this out!

[Joe Gracey]

My gut response to a netcast that would as you to forego any royalties
or licensing fees would be to tell them to forget it. I've had labels
try to get us to assign our publishing to them in order to defray their
upfront costs and that was an instant deal-killer for me. 

Don't kid yourself. If they are in it to make money, then they need to
pay the license fees. Period.
-- 
Joe Gracey
President-For-Life, Jackalope Records
http://www.kimmierhodes.com

RE: Hank question

[Walker, Jason]

If I was to say that your description of him as a "not particularly
charismatic performer" was WAY OFF I'd, in fact, be kidding myself. You are
of course quite right. And he isn't the greatest country singer ever but I
guess I just have a soft spot for him. On the other hand, were we to talk
about the relative merits of the likes of Ernest Tubb or George Jones for
pure talent...but I won't start that thread off again.
Best regards,
junior
 -Original Message-
 From: Joe Gracey [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 1999 9:26
 To:   passenger side
 Subject:  Re: Hank question
 
 "Walker, Jason" wrote:
  
  Joe,
  I have to say that I take great exception to your assessment of Hank
 Snow as
  a mediocre talent. Far from it - this country music legend overcame a
 number
  of obstacles - being very much an outsider to the Grand Ole Opry as a
  Canadian, he none the less spent years travelling the United States to
 break
  in to the exclusive country music scene.
  His songs are an odd mixture of pathos, bathos and weird humour not to
  mention his phenomenal lead guitar skills - like Hank Thompson he played
 his
  own lead breaks. He recorded a number of award-winning instrumental
 albums
  with none other than Chet Atkins, who says that he thinks Snow is one of
 the
  most distinctive lead guitarists he's ever heard.
  IMO, a mediocre talent he definitely is not.
 
 Yeah, he could play the guitar, and I should have credited him for that.
 However, I honestly think he is the perfect example of a rather
 passionless and not particularly charismatic performer who was supported
 by the Opry machine all out of proportion to his worth. I realize this
 is purely a matter of taste.
 
 
 -- 
 Joe Gracey
 President-For-Life, Jackalope Records
 http://www.kimmierhodes.com

Re: Hay Check this out!

[R.W.Shamy Jr.]

Fred- this is what we been looking for!  Can't wait for us to get on- Can
you imagine our shows live on the internet?  Yeah buddy.   RW Shamy
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: passenger side [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: Hay Check this out!


GLOBAL MEDIA Announces Launch of Independent Internet Radio Station
Station Includes E-Commerce Point of Purchase for Music
Global Media Corp. announced today it will be launching an online
Independent Radio Station at http://www.indieaudio.com. [PR
Newswire, 938 words]

http://www.indieaudio.com/

Does that mean AMERICANA Music could get played?

Re: songs of love and hate

[cwilson]

 Evan mentioned his annual anti-valentine show, 'n (if this doesn't 
 qualify as fluff) prompted me to tell him that the last anti-valentine 
 broadcast he sent on tape has become my road-trip standby, so if the 
 offer's good a second time around... and I dunno if Carl tapes his 
 shows but since Fear  Whiskey's playlists continually convince me 
 it's the best radio show in the world... I will send money. Or tapes. 
 Or music. Or pie.
 
 Woe, regret 'n' recrimination
 being my middle names,
 
 Carl (WRnR) W.

Re: Global Media/Elena's ?

[RoCogs]

In a message dated 99-02-02 16:08:52 EST, you write:

 Elena, when I play your songs on TwangCast during a reporting period, you
as
 the songwriter will receive credit for that and a check, maybe a small one
 but a check nonetheless. 


Thanks for clearing that up Mike, and thanks for playing my songs. I read your
other post explaining the intial outlay of cash to ASCAP and BMI you had to
make, again thanks for remembering us struggling, looking-under-the-sofa-
cushion-for-busfare muscians.

If these guys at Global Media are really serious why don't they just do it as
professionally as you are, and fork over the dough to set the thing straight
and true for the musicians? 

Just wish my ancient computer could download the stuff necessary to tune into
your station, but that too will come with time. 

Thanks Mike,

Elena

Re: Hay Check this out!

[fboenig]

Oh!
Well F#%k them!

I already have a rep for Knee jerk!  I have a real problem with Anyone
making a Killing on the Americana Artists!

Its okay to all share the wealth, but to exploit the guys that are
starving on the road every day. I really hate when some folks live real
well on Americana! And the artist are lucky to make $400 a week touring
after expenses!

Re: Love in Mind

[lance davis]

It originally appeared on TIME FADES AWAY, the live document of the HARVEST
tour, warts and all. I'd like to see that one reissued almost as much as ON
THE
BEACH.

son don't be home too late,
b.s.

Don't count on it, and not just because of the mega-comp that's coming out.
I read an interview with Neil some years back in which he said something to
the effect of: "My albums sound like shit on CD. Buy them on vinyl." Like I
said, this has been years now--which in beer-time is damn-near
generations--but I'm pretty sure it was in reference to Tonight's the Night
being released on CD--and the potential for On the Beach and Time Fades Away
being released on CD as well. Maybe these 32 CDs will contain generous
chunks of OTB and TFA because these are two essential Neil LPs. But, until
further notice, they will remain LPs.

Lance . . .

Re: Rank the Hank question

[Barry Mazor]

Hank Thompson ,well.a tiny maybe..but taking Hank SNOW over Hank
Williams is beyond my comprehension... (I'm not sure we rally need to Rank
the Hanks at this late date anyway!)

I start out pretty much agreeing with Joe Gracey on this one...Mr. Snow, to
my ear, has one of the less soulful and sometimes plain duller  SINGING
styles of major country starsk--but still  somehow you can't let those
records go.
 I'd coincidentally just picked up that Essential Hank Snow disc Don
described earlier, about a week ago, to update what I'd had (an import disc
with the hits and some ol' tapes., The "Essential"  offers sound that's
very good, besides a better selection of cuts than most discs in that odd
series--and this is the interesting thing to me.  Snow has these great
SONGS...some he wrote, more he surely had a role in selecting, and the
records are infectious anyway--with Atkins and anybody else at work on 'em
at RCA, that whole apparatus, yes, they make some really good records out
of the stuff.
  After a while, you start to feel some real affection for the often
comically-imitated Snow nasality...you just give in.  I think they're good
records made by a singer with some real limitations.  (Ever heard Elvis do
his Snow on the Million Dollar Quartet session? Affectionate--but funny.)

Barry



I for one can only attribute Hank Snow's success to the power of the
Opry apparatus to foist mediocre talent on people for 'way too many
years.

--
Joe Gracey

Re: wilco

[LindaRay64]

In a message dated 2/2/99 12:45:46 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 
 You're probably right, though, about the reason why it'd get called
 that--pianos instead of guitars, so of course it MUST be mellow. Oh
 brother...  --dc 

It's not just the pianos.  There's a whole LOT of production stuff it seems to
me after a cursory pass with my mind dagnabbitly on too many other things
right now.  On the whole, it's noisier I think, and that doesn't strike me as
mellow.  It's sort of deconstructed symphonic 70s pop overlaid on some songs
which, as has often struck me about Tweedy songs, you could instrumentate (oh,
you know what I mean) just about any way you want.  Actually, that's one of
the fun things about hearing him sing them solo.  

Linda

RE: Rank the Hank question

[Walker, Jason]

I don't recall actually expressing a preference for Hank Snow over HANK
WILLIAMS at any stage, but if it came down to it, poor old Mr Snow would we
left at the roadside - fortunately, I feel confident in asserting that they
both have a welcome place in my record collection and, in fact, any good
country music record collection would be incomplete without at least a
version of I'm Movin' On.
In retrospect, Hank Snow has been quite influential upon modern music but in
less of an obvious way than Hank Williams Sr.
I love ALL the Hanks except maybe Hank Jr - don't know why exactly but his
brand of country music don't excite me none.
Junior Walker


 --
 From: Barry Mazor[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 1999 12:34
 To:   passenger side
 Subject:  Re: Rank the Hank question
 
 Hank Thompson ,well.a tiny maybe..but taking Hank SNOW over Hank
 Williams is beyond my comprehension... (I'm not sure we rally need to Rank
 the Hanks at this late date anyway!)
 
 I start out pretty much agreeing with Joe Gracey on this one...Mr. Snow,
 to
 my ear, has one of the less soulful and sometimes plain duller  SINGING
 styles of major country starsk--but still  somehow you can't let those
 records go.
  I'd coincidentally just picked up that Essential Hank Snow disc Don
 described earlier, about a week ago, to update what I'd had (an import
 disc
 with the hits and some ol' tapes., The "Essential"  offers sound that's
 very good, besides a better selection of cuts than most discs in that odd
 series--and this is the interesting thing to me.  Snow has these great
 SONGS...some he wrote, more he surely had a role in selecting, and the
 records are infectious anyway--with Atkins and anybody else at work on 'em
 at RCA, that whole apparatus, yes, they make some really good records out
 of the stuff.
   After a while, you start to feel some real affection for the often
 comically-imitated Snow nasality...you just give in.  I think they're good
 records made by a singer with some real limitations.  (Ever heard Elvis do
 his Snow on the Million Dollar Quartet session? Affectionate--but funny.)
 
 Barry
 
 
 
 I for one can only attribute Hank Snow's success to the power of the
 Opry apparatus to foist mediocre talent on people for 'way too many
 years.
 
 --
 Joe Gracey
 
 

Make Me a World (was Rank Hanks)

[BARNARD]

"I'll Make Me a World" seems to be nationwide this week.  The first
installment, last night, was very good; on Harlem Renaissance and such.
I'm checking into the 2nd episode as I write...

--junior

Re: Wilco (ST)

[lance davis]

Well, I've heard the Kinks, the Beach Boys, and the ubiquitous Beatles
referred to, but does anyone else think of the Flaming Lips when they listen
to this new album? Or maybe Neutral Milk Hotel? I'm not necessarily
suggesting an influence here, but in their space-age orchestration and dense
layering of sounds, both of these bands seem to be doing similar things to
Wilco. Differently, granted, but they do sound like they're all in the same
time zone. And while listening to the new Lone Justice, it occurred to me
that Maria has been going through some remarkably familiar changes toTweedy.
In fact, aside from the obvious fact that Life is Sweet is guitar-driven and
ST is piano-driven, they both seem to be experimenting with
hyper-orchestrated pop songs. And that, to me, is a good thing.

Not two cents. More like double nickels.

Lance . . .

Re: Rank the Hank question

[Ndubb]

 There's an interesting program being shown on our local PBS station about
the contribution of African Americans to American popular culture.  It's a
documentary by Spike Lee called "I'll Make Me A World"
(http://www.pbs.org/immaw/ for more).   

The doc ain't by Spike Lee but by the guy who did the wonderful "Eyes on the
Prize" series some years ago and who recently passed on to documentarian
heaven. Spike is featured in it, tho. Just keeping records straight. It's in
my nature. 

NW

Re: Global Media/Elena's ?

[JKellySC1]

In a message dated 2/2/99 6:46:33 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 again thanks for remembering us struggling, looking-under-the-sofa-
 cushion-for-busfare muscians.
 
 I am one of you in the struggling musician category. 


It is because of folks like Mike Hays that I got my second BMI royalty check
in the mail this week, albeit for a whopping $5.58. I am planning to spend
every damn bit of it in tip jars for local bands.

Will the circle be unbroken.

Thanks to all our radio folks on P2. We who play whether for fun or profit
appreciate your support.

Slim

RIP Bill Givens

[Brad Bechtel]

From the Hillbilly list:

From: Cary Ginell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bill Givens, founder of the Origin Jazz Library label, one of the first to reissue 
vintage blues recordings on LP in the early 1960s, died of a sudden heart attack on 
the morning of January 23. He was 68. Bill had been a close friend of mine since 1981, 
when he asked me to annotate two LPs of western swing 78s by Ocie Stockard  his 
Wanderers and Roy Newman  his Boys. We eventually shared a condo for about a year. He 
helped me find my place in this wacky business by advising me to continue my schooling 
at UCLA in DK Wilgus' master's program. Bill continued to be my mentor, counselor, and 
teacher for the next 18 years.

In addition to OJL, Givens took over the Texas Rose label from Alan Roberts, producing 
the 5-CD box set on Milton Brown  the Musical Brownies, which I annotated. We were in 
the process of planning another series of western swing releases.

Apparently, Bill and Alan had just completed a trip to the CD pressing plant to pick 
up completed copies of Volume 2 of the long-awaited Bix Restored series, in which ALL 
recordings in which Bix Beiderbecke made an appearance at were carefully and lovingly 
transferred and restored by John R.T. Davies and Mike Kieffer. Bill was so excited at 
getting the set done that he overexerted himself loading the boxes. Despite warnings 
from Alan to take a break, Bill refused. The next morning, he called 911 and an 
ambulance delivered him to nearby Santa Monica UCLA hospital. He was in full cardiac 
arrest upon arrival and could not be revived.

Other than Bill's 96-year old mother, Alice, who is in a rest home nearby, he leaves 
no survivors. Alan and I spent the day trying to find out details about Bill's last 
hours as well as to sort out his estate. To anyone who has placed an order for either 
Bix vol. 1  2, Milton Brown sets, or any other product on Sunbeam or Texas Rose, 
these probably will not get filled until an heir or an executor can be determined. (We 
don't know if Bill had a will.) Until then, Bill's apartment and storage facility have 
been sealed.

Bill Givens began Origin Jazz Library around 1959. His intention was to reissue rare 
country blues 78s from the '20s and '30s on LP. In addition to anthologies of Delta 
blues, piano solos, women performers, and jug bands, were two LPs of music by the 
legendary Mississippi Delta singer, Charlie Patton (A Givens original sketch of Patton 
was included on the cover.) Givens was also a charter member of "The Saturday Crowd," 
a group of 78 collectors who gathered at The Jazzman Record Shop in Santa Monica, 
California for weekly 78 spinning, arguing, beer swilling, and other such comraderie.

Funeral services are pending. If anyone wishes to convey condolences or reminiscences 
about Bill, please post them on this list and I will make sure that they are read at 
the service, if and when it happens. If there is not a service, I will organize a 
memorial. Anyone in the L.A. will be welcome to attend.

Cary Ginell
Sound Thinking Music Research
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RIP Bill Givens

[Friskics]

brad's post about bill givens' life and passing is just one of the many
reasons why this list is such a gift. thanks, bill f-w

Re: Global Media/Twangcast

[NancyApple]

In a message dated 2/3/99 1:11:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Presumably, that
waiver is the price they're being asked to pay in order to have access to
potential buyers, bookers, etc.

(This may not be on their web site, I have not looked at it but the guy I know
there told me this)  It is my impression that Global Media has a way in the
works that a person can download certain songs thru them and make custom CD's,
and that artist will be paid from the record sales there on a per song basis.

I have a fax from them that says in order to broadcast a song, they need
"Proof of mechanical rights, Signed waver of copyright holders allowing Global
Media COrp to broadcast specific thracks on internet web site"

I guess, they just don't want to pay to play your song, but will pay if
someone buys it. Is this right? This is how I understood it from Bruce
Paisley. I thought Bruce was an ok guy. I met him when he worked for Dwight
Yoakum years ago, and he seemed ok, but hell, what do I know? 

I also got the impression from Bruce that they were really going to pump up
each artist they play with bios and graphics and all kinds of crap like
that who knows.. I would sure hate for him to turn out to be a big ass
LIAR. 

Lets face it, if it turns out to be a crock then it won't be the first time I
ever got screwed. And hell, I look at my music as something I want to share.
If someone wants to bootleg me, more power to 'em. Let karma take care of it
if they make a lot of dough and I end up eating peanut butter the rest of my
life. Yes, I like and need to be paid, but I am the kind that would stand out
on a corner on Beale and play for nothin just to be playing. 

It's great that many of the "hip cool public commercial free radio stations"
play our stuff, but not all of them are hip enough like Mike to report it.

Long live Mike 
Long live Mike 
Long live Twangcast.

California harmonies (was Soul)

[Budrocket]

 Speaking of which, has P2 ever talked about the whole 
California country rock style of harmony where it's always in 
unrelentingly sweet thirds-no tension, no dissonance, no variation? 

Er, ah, that's your basic bluegrass harmony. Not Stanley 
mountain music,bluegrass. Via Chris Hillman, Herb 
Pedersen, Doug Dillard, Bernie Leadon,Jim Dickson (producer), 
et.al...Where's that dang Budrocket when youneed him, anyhow? 
He's got a pretty good grasp of the details.
I only find this style cloying when 
over-used or ILL-used by inferior imitators (which may even include, er, 
US). As for the Byrds, you can't find anything more glorious than the 
outro of Bells Of Rhymney, or the spooky, bagpipe-drone of the pedal 
tone background harmonies on If You're Gone (from the Turn,Turn, 
Turn Lp). 

As for Herb Pedersen, check out his harmony arrangements for 
the Dillards; some really beautiful bluegrass-meets-Beach Boys intervals, lots 
of shape-note influenced note bending.

Interestingly enough, Dillards mandolinist, Dean Webb, 
assisted the Byrds in developing their first hit record. Back in 1964, 
both bands rehearsed at World Pacific Studios (under the ageis of manager Jim 
Dickson)  were friends. Driving home late one night, Dean passed by 
World Pacific  noticed Dickson's Volkswagen parked in the lot. 
Inside, Dickson was vainly attempting to settle a loud argument involving 
members of the Byrds (no surprise there...listen to the hidden track 
on the Notorious Byrd Bros. reissue). They were divided on how the harmony 
should sound on a particular song they were trying to record. Dean was 
drawn into the dispute and asked to solve the dilemma. He took McGuinn 
aside  worked out the parts on tape, singing tenor to McGuinn. When 
that was done, Dean sang the baritone. The Byrds carefully followed Dean's 
arrangement, and easily recorded the song in straight triad harmony. The 
result was Mr. Tambourine Man.

Further revelations on the California sound can be 
found in Desperados, the upcoming book by Canadian writer John Einarson...should 
be a corker, when finally released!

Buddy
Harmony Rockets


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Re: Vince Gill

[mitchell moore]

They're saying: "Vince's two-hour all-request concert Saturday on AE" . .
." that boy can really play some electric geetar" . . . "I pretty much
agree" . . ."he's got great chops as a player and, obviously, a real grasp
of all the country subgenres". . . "a pretty impressive-sounding set ". .
."Vince and band (to my ears, of course) basically  kicked the butt of the
97s and Wtown . . ." etc, etc, etc.
Little behind the curve on this, being a digester, but it's nice to see
Vince getting some props, especially from some who weren't already
converted. With all that's problematic with the Nashville system, Vince is
surely part of any solution. T.V. contrivances aside, it was a terrific
show. Of course, those of us who've seen Vince perform before were not
surprised by the quality of his book or his chops g, or that he and his
pros would have it all over those upstarts, the 97s and Wtown g, again.
What's the name of the guy who's mentored Vince at MCA again?, his producer?
. . .you know . . . uh, um . . Darth?, no . . . oh yeah, Tony Brown.

n.p. The Key, o' course

Re: specific thracks

[NancyApple]

 specific thracks
Damn I can't spell and type.