Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[Fuzzmom]

Yikes my store is lie 9 per bottle!!! How much is a gallon I imagine the 
shipping is out of this world? 
  - Original Message - 
  From: zoe w 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:25 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax


  Amazon.com   sells it by the gallon.

  zoe


  Roger and Lisa Royal wrote: 
Are you in the US?  I buy ACV at the health food store or Kroger, etc.  for 
about $4 per 16 oz.  I only use about a tablespoon in his drinking water--maybe 
even half of that (1/2 tablespoon)  Yes, you need the cloudy kind with the 
"mother".
  - Original Message - 
  From: Fuzzmom 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:34 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax


  Oh thank you will get..need about a gallon of it..and i assume 
youmean the raw cloudy type? where would I find a large amount the small 
bottles are expensive. 
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Re: CS> Native American stories--OT

[AHorse52251]

There but for the grace...

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Sandy  wrote:

> From: Sandy 
> Subject: Re: CS>  Native American stories--OT
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 10:41 PM
> Hi Donna...
> 
> It is sad the way some people treat others but if we learn
> from it [in a good way] then we will teach our children not
> to be prejudice.
> 
> The man who refused to buy a horse from your Grandfather
> shows how little he knew because it is a well known fact the
> Cherokee have a wonderful way with horses.
> 
> I have found that many people do not know how to act around
> handicapped people...I feel for your daughter. I had a
> stroke 6 years ago and do not walk very fast and I have had
> people honk at me to hurry up and get across the the
> street...they are in such a hurry they could care less that
> I might have a problem walking. The funny thing is when
> someone tries to rush me I get excited and go twice as
> slow...lol.
> 
> Sandy 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: Donna 
> > Subject: Re: CS>  Native American stories--OT
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:39 PM
> > 
> > > Sandy, 
> > 
> > > Glad you shared your story!  It is sad the way
> > people have been so cruel to others.  I know being
> from
> > Cherokee my Grandfather use to deal with alot of
> > discrimination.  He had a farm and one time a man
> came
> > looking to buy a horse from my Grandfather but the man
> ended
> > up not buying it saying he would never trust an Indian
> and
> > would not pay him a dime for his horse.  I raised my
> > children to be respectful to everyone and not to
> > be   prejudice.  I also have a
> > handicapped daughter and young children would come up
> to her
> > wheelchair and ask why she can't walk and their
> parents
> > would pull them away.  I would always try to answer
> > them to let them know.  I feel sorry for these kids
> > that are taught prejudice by their ignorant parents,
> > children are not born that way.
> > 
> > Donna ACS
> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: CS> Native American stories--OT

[AHorse52251]

   Apparently I have lived a much-too-sheltered life. I was not aware that 
there was such prejudice against NAs. I'm sorry.
   I look at things a bit backward from the rest of the world anyway. I 
remember as a child my mother was explaining to me how the Jews were hated and 
what Hitler had done. My question was why did people hate the Jews when it 
should be the Germans that were hated? Of course, no one nationality should be 
*hated* for anything. That would be like "throwing the baby out with the bath 
water." It can be hard, however...especially when it seems a whole country 
backs the craziness.
   I wonder how many times NAs have saved our white butts...
Janis

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Sandy  wrote:

> From: Sandy 
> Subject: Re: CS>  Native American stories--OT
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 10:29 PM
> Yes, Zoe...I know. I've tried to
> learn from the things that have come my way whether good or
> bad. If we learn to be better from the negative things then
> they in one respect are a positive learning experience. My
> father's negativity has taught me how to be a better
> parent...I will always be there for my children and they
> know that.
> 
> I knew you all would understand what I was saying because
> we experience similar things.
> 
> I guess the point I was making is...whether it happened
> hundreds of years ago it is still happening today and unless
> you are aware of how the NAs were treated most people would
> have no idea.
> 
> Prejudice is terrible and I have hopes that one day it will
> be done away with but it will only happen through teaching
> the future generations not to practice it.
> 
> Sandy 
> 
> --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: zoe w 
> > Subject: Re: CS>  Native American stories--OT
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:47 PM
> > Sorry   hit the wrong
> > button earlier.
> > 
> > Sandy  thanks so much for sharing your story.  It
> > is unfortunate,  but many of us  suffered 
> > similar torments.    Hang on to that pride, 
> > it will carry you thru  many a trial and
> tribulation.
> > 
> > zoe
> > 
> > zoe w wrote:
> > > Sandy wrote:
> > >> My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache
> but she
> > died before I had the opportunity to meet her. My
> Mother
> > used to tell us stories about Geronimo and the
> Superstition
> > Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth place. She
> took us
> > to see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his
> horse
> > jumped from into the Medicine River to get away from
> the US
> > Calvary...he lived and did get away.
> > >> 
> > >> My Mother was a half-breed and as a child
> when
> > walking in Phoenix the white men would spit on her and
> her
> > family and then they [the white people] would cross to
> the
> > other side of the street so as to not be soiled by
> their
> > presence.
> > >> 
> > >> I lived with prejudice from within my own
> father's
> > family [his mother did not want anything to do with
> us
> > Native American brown skinned children]...even from my
> own
> > father. Now that my Mother has passed on my father
> claims we
> > are not Apache but he lies...my Mother was very proud
> of her
> > heritage and wanted her children to be proud of it too
> and
> > we are.
> > >> 
> > >> Just thought I would share some of my Native
> > American history.
> > >> 
> > >> Sandy
> > >> --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w 
> > wrote:
> > >> 
> > >>  
> > 
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Re: CS>subscribing address

[sol]

zoe w wrote:
It would appear that the silverlist website is  down.   All we have now 
is the eskimo.com  main page.   Hopefully  this is temporary   and will 
be back up soon.


Well that worries me, I have no confidence in eskimo. A site being down 
or temporarily unavailable doesn't usually disappear the links to that 
site
Shouldn't there still be links to the silverlist subcribing info at 
either eskimo or at www.silvermedicine.org which is where it always used 
to be?

sol


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Re: CS>subscribing address

[sol]

Smitty wrote:

Is this it ?  =
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If you can find subscribing instructions at that link, please point me 

to them, I couldn't find any, and that is indeed where I looked.
sol

Re: CS>Lypo-spheric vitamin C

[ted mozell]

Pat  I had a similar reaction from lipo c i purchased from Dr Donsbach down
right painful but no nausea i took it right after some amalgam fillings were
removed  and i have not used any since  i will be trying  my hand at making
some and see if i still had a problem , In all fairness i have been having
stomach problems for years off and on i think this just flared it Ted

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Pat  wrote:

> I suppose all you who are making liposomal vitamin C are also taking it.
>  Have any of you had stomach pains or worse?  The first two times I took my
> Livon lipospheric C, I felt a little queasy which went away soon as I ate
> something.  The last time, Friday night, I took some late because I felt a
> little funny like I might have something coming on or an allergy.  I woke
> about 2 1/2 hours later with terrible sharp stomach pain which then turned
> queasy.  (Runs X 3 after that) After sipping colloidal silver every 10 or 15
> minutes, I was feeling well enough to go back to bed in about an hour.  I
> was back to normal in 12 hours.  I probably had picked up germs from eating
> persimmons off the ground, or who knows where, but I'm a little afraid it
> was the C.  I'll wait for a good day when I don't have anywhere to go to try
> it again.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>DMSO and poke

[polo]

   Medicinal Properties of Poke Root:  Medical qualities which 
have been linked to Poke are alternative (metabolism balancer), anodyne 
(painkiller), antifungal, antiviral, anti-inflammatory, antirheumatic, 
antitumor (cancer fighting), cathartic (bowel evacuation), emetic (induce 
vomiting),  immune stimulant, laxative, and lymphatic decongestant.  Quite 
an impressive list, eh? This is probably why much of traditional Herbalogy 
is poo-poohed by the medical professions.  How can a medicine have so many 
uses?  Certainly the modern refined drugs have only one or two specific 
indications. Well, this is exactly the reason why many herbs have multiple 
medical indications. Plants are not refined, single drugs, but a package of 
many chemical compounds which work together to make that unique plant 
viable.  When one prescribes a whole herb extract, a whole series of 
extracted components are being given to the patient, not one.  Luckily, most 
of these plant compounds are synergistic and will often improve the 
medicinal values of the complete plant extract as a remedy.  As is the 
nature of the beast, that extract can have multiple uses and influences on 
varied metabolic functions.
















 Poke was first judiciously utilized and known in 19th century 
medicine as a emetic and cathartic.  Those were the days when our medical 
physicians highly relied on the process of purging body toxins via both the 
mouth and anus as a routine method of achieving lost health.  Such body 
evacuations have long gone out of fashion which is why I think Poke has been 
dismissed as a valuable medicinal herb.  It was the Eclectics of the last 
century that saw in Poke (Phytolacca) something much more valuable than its 
purging properties.


  John King's American Dispensatory reviews the other virtues of 
Poke.  It says Poke is an important therapeutic aid in skin conditions.  It 
will kill scabies infestations, sooth inflamed skin, and aid in healing 
dermal abscesses/ulcerations/boils.  Phytolacca is indicated in chronic 
eczema, psoriasis, varicose veins, syphilitic types of eruptions, fissures, 
and painful lymphatic enlargements.  It can be employed both internally and 
externally for such conditions.  King's text further praises the usefulness 
of Poke in diseases of the mouth and throat:   laryngitis, tracheitis, 
influenza, diphtheria, tonsillitis, stomatitis, follicular pharyngitis, and 
ordinary sore mouth.  It will stimulate the mucous membranes of the mouth 
and promote glandular activity.  Sore, irritated, inflamed throats have been 
cured by it.  The Eclectics held Poke in the highest esteem in glandular 
conditions of the mammary.  It shines as a remedy in acute mastitis.  It has 
further been shown of value in treating granular conjunctivitis and other 
eye inflammations.  It holds relieve for certain rheumatic conditions.  King 
describes the use of the root and leaves: "The root, roasted in hot ashes 
until soft, and then mashed and applied as a poultice, is unrivaled in 
felons (purulent infection) and tumors of various kinds. It discusses them 
rapidly, or if too far advanced, hastens their suppuration."  He goes on to 
tell that an infusion of the bruised leaves may be applied to indolent 
ulcers with the best of results.  Phytolacca has had a long history as a 
cancer fighting herb.  One of its name is Cancerroot.


  The benefits of Poke Root as an immune stimulant and lymphatic 
decongestant is a more modern revelation.  Simon Mills in his text, 
Principals and Practice of Phytotherapy, describes the immunological 
stimulating properties of Poke.  He cites PWM (poke weed mitogen) as the 
factor which stimulates lymphocyte production and increases the number of 
blood plasma cells.  Poke, also, contains LSF (lymphocyte stimulating 
factors) which induces lymphocytes to differentiate into lgM-secreting cells 
and multiply as such.  Further, LSF causes polyclonal B-cells to 
differentiate into lgM-secreting cells.  Lastly, there seems to be an 
antiviral protein present showing laboratory activity against many plant and 
animal viruses.




 - Original Message - 
 From: Melly Bag

 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:21 PM
 Subject: Re: CS>DMSO and poke


   Forgive me for butting in, but what is pokeweed good for?


<><><><>

Re: CS> Native American stories--OT

[Sandy]

Hi Donna...

It is sad the way some people treat others but if we learn from it [in a good 
way] then we will teach our children not to be prejudice.

The man who refused to buy a horse from your Grandfather shows how little he 
knew because it is a well known fact the Cherokee have a wonderful way with 
horses.

I have found that many people do not know how to act around handicapped 
people...I feel for your daughter. I had a stroke 6 years ago and do not walk 
very fast and I have had people honk at me to hurry up and get across the the 
street...they are in such a hurry they could care less that I might have a 
problem walking. The funny thing is when someone tries to rush me I get excited 
and go twice as slow...lol.

Sandy 



> From: Donna 
> Subject: Re: CS>  Native American stories--OT
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:39 PM
> 
> > Sandy, 
> 
> > Glad you shared your story!  It is sad the way
> people have been so cruel to others.  I know being from
> Cherokee my Grandfather use to deal with alot of
> discrimination.  He had a farm and one time a man came
> looking to buy a horse from my Grandfather but the man ended
> up not buying it saying he would never trust an Indian and
> would not pay him a dime for his horse.  I raised my
> children to be respectful to everyone and not to
> be   prejudice.  I also have a
> handicapped daughter and young children would come up to her
> wheelchair and ask why she can't walk and their parents
> would pull them away.  I would always try to answer
> them to let them know.  I feel sorry for these kids
> that are taught prejudice by their ignorant parents,
> children are not born that way.
> 
> Donna ACS
> 
> 

> > 
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Re: CS>Lung Cancer

[Melly Bag]

Debborah
 
If you decide to use papaya leaves, make sure not to use any metal cookpot.  
Preferably corningware or thick enamelled cookware.  Papaya's papain is so 
strong it reacts with metal.
 
melly

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Deborah Gerard  wrote:


From: Deborah Gerard 
Subject: Re: CS>Lung Cancer
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 9:00 PM






the leaves are even on Hulda Clarks site...I love this group :)





From: Melly Bag 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:57:01 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Lung Cancer






google papaya leaves 4 cancer and also Stan Sheldon + papaya leaves 
 
Melly

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Deborah Gerard  wrote:


From: Deborah Gerard 
Subject: CS>Lung Cancer
To: "cs" 
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:05 PM






I have a 54 year old lady from another group who has sharred she has lung 
cancer. Any and all advice to go after this cancer would surely be appreciated 
by her family,
thanks deb

Re: CS> Native American stories--OT

[Sandy]

Yes, Zoe...I know. I've tried to learn from the things that have come my way 
whether good or bad. If we learn to be better from the negative things then 
they in one respect are a positive learning experience. My father's negativity 
has taught me how to be a better parent...I will always be there for my 
children and they know that.

I knew you all would understand what I was saying because we experience similar 
things.

I guess the point I was making is...whether it happened hundreds of years ago 
it is still happening today and unless you are aware of how the NAs were 
treated most people would have no idea.

Prejudice is terrible and I have hopes that one day it will be done away with 
but it will only happen through teaching the future generations not to practice 
it.

Sandy 

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w  wrote:

> From: zoe w 
> Subject: Re: CS>  Native American stories--OT
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:47 PM
> Sorry   hit the wrong
> button earlier.
> 
> Sandy  thanks so much for sharing your story.  It
> is unfortunate,  but many of us  suffered 
> similar torments.    Hang on to that pride, 
> it will carry you thru  many a trial and tribulation.
> 
> zoe
> 
> zoe w wrote:
> > Sandy wrote:
> >> My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she
> died before I had the opportunity to meet her. My Mother
> used to tell us stories about Geronimo and the Superstition
> Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth place. She took us
> to see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his horse
> jumped from into the Medicine River to get away from the US
> Calvary...he lived and did get away.
> >> 
> >> My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when
> walking in Phoenix the white men would spit on her and her
> family and then they [the white people] would cross to the
> other side of the street so as to not be soiled by their
> presence.
> >> 
> >> I lived with prejudice from within my own father's
> family [his mother did not want anything to do with us
> Native American brown skinned children]...even from my own
> father. Now that my Mother has passed on my father claims we
> are not Apache but he lies...my Mother was very proud of her
> heritage and wanted her children to be proud of it too and
> we are.
> >> 
> >> Just thought I would share some of my Native
> American history.
> >> 
> >> Sandy
> >> --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w 
> wrote:
> >> 
> >>  
> 
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Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[Melly Bag]

Thanks for the valuable information Marshall.  I was always afraid of boric 
acid in the eyes.
 
melly

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Marshall Dudley  wrote:


From: Marshall Dudley 
Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:56 PM


The boric acid I am talking about is pure, a powder. For use in eyes you mix it 
with distilled water. The strength is nothing more than how much you dilute 
it.  According to this site 
http://www.ehow.com/way_5195536_boric-acid-eye-bath-recipe.html :

"The adult strength eye wash is made with 1 tsp. of boric acid in 1 cup of 
water . An 
eye wash for children  should contain 1/2 to 2/3 
tsp. boric acid per cup of water.

Buy medicinal grade boric acid powder at a pharmacy or online. Avoid the 
industrial grade powder used in pesticides. Use distilled water to make your 
eye bath so it won't be contaminated with the chemicals and pollutants often 
present in tap water."

Marshall


Melly Bag wrote:
> Be careful with boric acid for eyes.  They come in different strengths.  My 
> grandma had an eye surgery for cataracts and the nurse used a stronger boric 
> acid than what doc ordered and she got  blind.  Ask your eye doctor what 
> strength  should be used for eyes.
>  Melly
> 
> --- On *Wed, 9/30/09, Clayton Family //* wrote:
> 
> 
>     From: Clayton Family 
>     Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax
>     To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>     Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 12:10 PM
> 
>     In addition, a boiled, saturated solution of boric acid in water
>     makes an effective remedy for pink eye. It used to be the MD's
>     remedy of choice in the 50's.  It may also be helpful for other
>     things.
> 
>     I thought boric acid is much more potent than borax- so less would
>     be needed. Somebody could do the math on it.
> 
>     Kathryn
> 


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Re: CS>D3 fro Flu Prevention

[myro22]

My naturopath has me on 5000 IU of D3 daily here in Alaska, even in the 
summertime with the sun out all day and night.  She indicates that the body 
doesn't absorb all the D it needs from the just the sun.  I haven't 
specifically talked to her about H1N1.  However, the 5000 IU's are supposed to 
be effective in keeping me free of normal flu.  I have been following this 
regiment successfully for about a year without a flu.  No, I do not intend to 
get any flu sots.

Mari

Well, I had not seen any recommended dosages, and had read that 15 
minutes in the noon sun will produce 40,000 units, and that once you 
have that amount the conversion shuts down.  So I figured that if I got 
to 50% of what the sun produces, it should offer me pretty good 
protection, and still be 50% below any possible toxic level. I could be 
off base. I was surprised to see others are taking about 1/5 that 
amount, so I may back down (well actually since the capsules are 5,000 
each, I cannot back down to below that amount until I get some lower 
dosage ones).

Here is information on the safe levels of vitamin D: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_D

Marshall

Garnet wrote:
> Are you dividing your dose or taking it all at the same time?
>
> I have not heard of anyone taking 20,000 iu? Is that an idea
> you just decided to try or did hear of it somewhere? Just
> curious.
>
> Garnet
>
> Marshall Dudley wrote:
> > Yes, I have avoided everything, with seemingly everyone else sick 
> around
> > me. I have been taking 5,000 a day, then upping it to 20,000 when I am
> > out and around a crowd of sick people.
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> > Garnet wrote:
> >> Vit D3 is the best flu preventative, 400 iu for kids and 2000 iu for
> >> adults.
> >>
> >> You can order here and they will give you 400 tabs free for your kids.
> >>
> >> http://www.vitamind3world.com/Vitamin_D_Buy_cancer_diabetes_MS.html
> >>
> >> Garnet

Re: CS>D3 fro Flu Prevention

[myro22]

My naturopath has me on 5000 IU of D3 daily here in Alaska, even in the 
summertime with the sun out all day and night.  She indicates that the body 
doesn't absorb all the D it needs from the just the sun.  I haven't 
specifically talked to her about H1N1.  However, the 5000 IU's are supposed to 
be effective in keeping me free of normal flu.  I have been following this 
regiment successfully for about a year without a flu.  No, I do not intend to 
get any flu sots.

Mari

Well, I had not seen any recommended dosages, and had read that 15 
minutes in the noon sun will produce 40,000 units, and that once you 
have that amount the conversion shuts down.  So I figured that if I got 
to 50% of what the sun produces, it should offer me pretty good 
protection, and still be 50% below any possible toxic level. I could be 
off base. I was surprised to see others are taking about 1/5 that 
amount, so I may back down (well actually since the capsules are 5,000 
each, I cannot back down to below that amount until I get some lower 
dosage ones).

Here is information on the safe levels of vitamin D: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_D

Marshall

Garnet wrote:
> Are you dividing your dose or taking it all at the same time?
>
> I have not heard of anyone taking 20,000 iu? Is that an idea
> you just decided to try or did hear of it somewhere? Just
> curious.
>
> Garnet
>
> Marshall Dudley wrote:
> > Yes, I have avoided everything, with seemingly everyone else sick 
> around
> > me. I have been taking 5,000 a day, then upping it to 20,000 when I am
> > out and around a crowd of sick people.
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> > Garnet wrote:
> >> Vit D3 is the best flu preventative, 400 iu for kids and 2000 iu for
> >> adults.
> >>
> >> You can order here and they will give you 400 tabs free for your kids.
> >>
> >> http://www.vitamind3world.com/Vitamin_D_Buy_cancer_diabetes_MS.html
> >>
> >> Garnet

Re: CS>Getting Started

[Smitty]

> I would like to start out with CS. It would be mainly for myself but perhaps
> also for my young kids at some point.

Here's some info for a start =

http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html

http://educate-yourself.org/cs/

Smitty


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Re: CS>subscribing address

[Smitty]

> It would appear that the silverlist website is  down.

TESTING THE SILVER LIST.

Smitty


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Re: CS>subscribing address

[zoe w]

It would appear that the silverlist website is  down.   All we have now 
is the eskimo.com  main page.   Hopefully  this is temporary   and will 
be back up soon.


zoe


nessie wrote:
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at all to do with the silverlist no sub or unsub info link seems to 
be there.
I also can no longer find sub and unsub silverlist info at 
www.silvermedicine.org

Maybe I'm just braindead today?
I want to refer someone to this list.
thanks,
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Re: CS>subscribing address

[nessie]

I also am having problems. I wish to change some email settings , and am 
at a loss how to do it. The home page listed in the regular emails point 
to a "very busy" so to speak site, and I see no reference to  the 
SilverList.??




sol wrote:
What happened to the link to where to subscribe to the silverlist that 
used to appear at the bottom of emails. If anyone has it please send 
it to me.
All that is there now is this unsub link Instructions for 
unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org 

and that takes me to the eskimo homepage where I can't find anything 
at all to do with the silverlist no sub or unsub info link seems to be 
there.
I also can no longer find sub and unsub silverlist info at 
www.silvermedicine.org

Maybe I'm just braindead today?
I want to refer someone to this list.
thanks,
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Re: CS>DMSO and poke

[Melly Bag]

Forgive me for butting in, but what is pokeweed good for?
 
Melly

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, polo  wrote:


From: polo 
Subject: Re: CS>DMSO and poke
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:42 PM


Oh, just reimburse me for the postage and I can send you some fresh root. It 
needs to be dug after our first frost which is a ways off yet. Berries would be 
much harder and I don't generally pick or sell them.

doug


- Original Message - From: "Norton, Steve" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:30 PM
Subject: RE: CS>DMSO and poke


> Doug,
> 
> I certainly agree that pokeweed is interesting.
> Both in it's unique antiviral properties: Three well-known  different 
> pokeweed antiviral protein (PAP)isoforms from the leaves of the pokeweed 
> (PAP-I from spring leaves, PAPII from early summer leaves, and PAP-III from 
> late summer leaves) that cause concentration-dependent depurination of 
> genomic virus RNA. And there is the pokeweed mitogen. I have not come across 
> mitogens in any other plant, although there may be some with mitogens. And in 
> it's immune stimulating properties.
> 
> I have to admit that the roots worry me a little since they, along with any 
> red parts of the plant (not including the berries), contains the highest 
> amount of toxins. The berries are the lowest as long as you do not eat the 
> seeds.
> 
> When I grew up in Kentucky, pokeweed would be found anywhere you did not cut 
> or weed regularly. I have yet to see it in CA where I live now. I see that 
> you offer pokeweed for sale or trade on your site. What are your prices for 
> shoots, roots, leaves and berries and when are the seasons for each? I would 
> like enough berries for a pie and some jelly to try. The rest would be for 
> tincturing. Except for some shoots that I may cook if there are enough.
> 
> Thanks,
>     Steve N


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Re: CS>Lung Cancer

[Carl & Deb]

Hi Deb

Vitamin B-17, lots of information if you google it (or just buy some 
apricot pits).


Here's one site...

http://www.worldwithoutcancer.org.uk/

Deborah Gerard wrote:

the leaves are even on Hulda Clarks site...I love this group :)


*From:* Melly Bag 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:57:01 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Lung Cancer

google papaya leaves 4 cancer and also Stan Sheldon + papaya leaves
 
Melly


--- On *Wed, 9/30/09, Deborah Gerard //* wrote:


From: Deborah Gerard 
Subject: CS>Lung Cancer
To: "cs" 
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:05 PM

I have a 54 year old lady from another group who has sharred she
has lung cancer. Any and all advice to go after this cancer would
surely be appreciated by her family,
thanks deb





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Re: CS>Lung Cancer

[Garnet]

Oleander and Cansema are worth looking into.

http://altcancer.com/

Garnet

Deborah Gerard wrote:
I have a 54 year old lady from another group who has sharred she has 
lung cancer. Any and all advice to go after this cancer would surely be 
appreciated by her family,

thanks deb




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Re: CS>Lung Cancer

[Deborah Gerard]

the leaves are even on Hulda Clarks site...I love this group :)





From: Melly Bag 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:57:01 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Lung Cancer


google papaya leaves 4 cancer and also Stan Sheldon + papaya leaves 

Melly

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Deborah Gerard  wrote:


>From: Deborah Gerard 
>Subject: CS>Lung Cancer
>To: "cs" 
>Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:05 PM
>
>
>I have a 54 year old lady from another group who has sharred she has lung 
>cancer. Any and all advice to go after this cancer would surely be appreciated 
>by her family,
>thanks deb
> 


  

Re: CS>Lung Cancer

[Melly Bag]

google papaya leaves 4 cancer and also Stan Sheldon + papaya leaves 
 
Melly

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Deborah Gerard  wrote:


From: Deborah Gerard 
Subject: CS>Lung Cancer
To: "cs" 
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:05 PM






I have a 54 year old lady from another group who has sharred she has lung 
cancer. Any and all advice to go after this cancer would surely be appreciated 
by her family,
thanks deb

Re: CS>Lung Cancer thanks

[Deborah Gerard]

Thanks Bob & Jim I will pass this on right away,
debbie



From: Bob Banever 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:51:23 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Lung Cancer

 
Deb.
 
    Look into oleanders...@yahoogroups.com.  Oleander extract has shown to be 
very beneficial for cancer.  Also cannabis oil (not hemp seed oil) is 
supposedly a very effective cure for cancer.  Go to Phoenixtears.ca for more 
info.  If she lives in a state where medical marijuana is legal she can do 
this.  It is said you must consume 60grams of the oil over a 90 day period.  
 
    Good luck.
 
    Bob
- Original Message - 
>From: Acmeair 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:18 PM
>Subject: Re: CS>Lung Cancer
>
>
>ldn_4_can...@yahoogroups.com  
>
>take a look at this site.    jimLDN_4_cancer LDN_4_cancer 
>
>
>Sep 30, 2009 04:06:37 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote:
>
>I have a 54 year old lady from another group who has sharred she has lung 
>cancer. Any and all advice to go after this cancer would surely be appreciated 
>by her family,
>>thanks deb
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Re: CS>Lung Cancer

[Bob Banever]

Deb.

Look into oleanders...@yahoogroups.com.  Oleander extract has shown to be 
very beneficial for cancer.  Also cannabis oil (not hemp seed oil) is 
supposedly a very effective cure for cancer.  Go to Phoenixtears.ca for more 
info.  If she lives in a state where medical marijuana is legal she can do 
this.  It is said you must consume 60grams of the oil over a 90 day period.  

Good luck.

Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Acmeair 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:18 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Lung Cancer


  ldn_4_can...@yahoogroups.com  

  take a look at this site.jimLDN_4_cancer LDN_4_cancer 


  Sep 30, 2009 04:06:37 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote:

I have a 54 year old lady from another group who has sharred she has lung 
cancer. Any and all advice to go after this cancer would surely be appreciated 
by her family,
thanks deb


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Re: CS> Native American stories--OT

[zoe w]

Excellent point Donna,

Prejudice is taught ! No one is born with it.   It has to be 
learned  and as such  it can be
unlearned  just as well.I see it even in my own family  and it makes 
me very sad indeed.


zoe


Donna wrote:


Sandy, 


Glad you shared your story!  It is sad the way people have been so 
cruel to others.  I know being from Cherokee my Grandfather use to 
deal with alot of discrimination.  He had a farm and one time a man 
came looking to buy a horse from my Grandfather but the man ended up 
not buying it saying he would never trust an Indian and would not pay 
him a dime for his horse.  I raised my children to be respectful to 
everyone and not to be   prejudice.  I also have a handicapped 
daughter and young children would come up to her wheelchair and ask 
why she can't walk and their parents would pull them away.  I would 
always try to answer them to let them know.  I feel sorry for these 
kids that are taught prejudice by their ignorant parents, children 
are not born that way.


Donna ACS




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CS>Hidden E-bay

[Deborah Gerard]

http://fatfingers.com/default.aspx


  

Re: CS> Native American stories--OT

[Donna]

Sandy, 


Glad you shared your story!  It is sad the way people have been so 
cruel to others.  I know being from Cherokee my Grandfather use to 
deal with alot of discrimination.  He had a farm and one time a man 
came looking to buy a horse from my Grandfather but the man ended up 
not buying it saying he would never trust an Indian and would not pay 
him a dime for his horse.  I raised my children to be respectful to 
everyone and not to be   prejudice.  I also have a handicapped 
daughter and young children would come up to her wheelchair and ask 
why she can't walk and their parents would pull them away.  I would 
always try to answer them to let them know.  I feel sorry for these 
kids that are taught prejudice by their ignorant parents, children are 
not born that way.


Donna ACS


My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had 
the opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about 
Geronimo and the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth 
place. She took us to see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his 
horse jumped from into the Medicine River to get away from the US 
Calvary...he lived and did get away.


My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the 
white men would spit on her and her family and then they [the white 
people] would cross to the other side of the street so as to not be 
soiled by their presence.


I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother 
did not want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned 
children]...even from my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on 
my father claims we are not Apache but he lies...my Mother was very 
proud of her heritage and wanted her children to be proud of it too 
and we are.


Just thought I would share some of my Native American history.

Sandy
--- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w  wrote:

 

From: zoe w 
Subject: Re: CS>  Native American stories--OT
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 4:11 PM

Im glad you are enjoying the stories.

zoe

AHorse52251 wrote:
   

Zoe,
Thank you for posting the group!
I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive
  

person, tuned into things around me. I wish I were. I can
certainly agree with Lois in what was done to the people
native to this country. There *should* have been white
bodies hanging from trees all across this country for what
the white man did, IMO.
   

No other minority had annihilation attempted on them
  

in this country that I ever heard of. OK, I'll get off my
soapbox, not that I want to...
   

Thanks again. I joined and look foreward
  

to the stories!
   

Janis


--- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w 
  

wrote:
   


From: zoe w 
Subject: Re: CS>  Native American


stories--
   

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:46 PM



 It is good that you are that


sensitive.   Yes  if you
   

listen closely you can still hear them


whisper.   I am hardpressed to
   

find  any place
on this continent  that wasn't once 

either a
   

campground  or
huntingground  or otherwise steeped in the


history  of
   

one tribe or
another.Sleeping out under the


stars  used to put
   

me in touch with
the  ancestors,  wish I could still do


that sort of
   

thing.I can
still  sit in the woods  by myself 

and get tuned in
   

that way.



zoe






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Re: CS> Native American stories--OT

[zoe w]

Sorry   hit the wrong button earlier.

Sandy  thanks so much for sharing your story.  It is unfortunate,  but 
many of us  suffered  similar torments.Hang on to that pride,  it 
will carry you thru  many a trial and tribulation.


zoe

zoe w wrote:

Sandy wrote:
My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had 
the opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about 
Geronimo and the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth 
place. She took us to see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his 
horse jumped from into the Medicine River to get away from the US 
Calvary...he lived and did get away.


My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the 
white men would spit on her and her family and then they [the white 
people] would cross to the other side of the street so as to not be 
soiled by their presence.


I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother 
did not want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned 
children]...even from my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on 
my father claims we are not Apache but he lies...my Mother was very 
proud of her heritage and wanted her children to be proud of it too 
and we are.


Just thought I would share some of my Native American history.

Sandy
--- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w  wrote:

 



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Re: CS>DMSO and poke

[polo]

www.racehorseherbal.com


- Original Message - 
From: "Lisa" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:38 PM
Subject: RE: CS>DMSO and poke



Doug what's your website?



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Re: CS>DMSO and poke

[polo]

Oh, just reimburse me for the postage and I can send you some fresh root. It 
needs to be dug after our first frost which is a ways off yet. Berries would 
be much harder and I don't generally pick or sell them.


doug


- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:30 PM
Subject: RE: CS>DMSO and poke



Doug,

I certainly agree that pokeweed is interesting.
Both in it's unique antiviral properties: Three well-known  different 
pokeweed antiviral protein (PAP)isoforms from the leaves of the pokeweed 
(PAP-I from spring leaves, PAPII from early summer leaves, and PAP-III 
from late summer leaves) that cause concentration-dependent depurination 
of genomic virus RNA. And there is the pokeweed mitogen. I have not come 
across mitogens in any other plant, although there may be some with 
mitogens. And in it's immune stimulating properties.


I have to admit that the roots worry me a little since they, along with 
any red parts of the plant (not including the berries), contains the 
highest amount of toxins. The berries are the lowest as long as you do not 
eat the seeds.


When I grew up in Kentucky, pokeweed would be found anywhere you did not 
cut or weed regularly. I have yet to see it in CA where I live now. I see 
that you offer pokeweed for sale or trade on your site. What are your 
prices for shoots, roots, leaves and berries and when are the seasons for 
each? I would like enough berries for a pie and some jelly to try. The 
rest would be for tincturing. Except for some shoots that I may cook if 
there are enough.


Thanks,
Steve N



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RE: CS>DMSO and poke

[Lisa]

Doug what's your website?

-Original Message-
From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:31 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>DMSO and poke

Doug,

I certainly agree that pokeweed is interesting. 
Both in it's unique antiviral properties: Three well-known  different
pokeweed antiviral protein (PAP)isoforms from the leaves of the pokeweed
(PAP-I from spring leaves, PAPII from early summer leaves, and PAP-III from
late summer leaves) that cause concentration-dependent depurination of
genomic virus RNA. And there is the pokeweed mitogen. I have not come across
mitogens in any other plant, although there may be some with mitogens. And
in it's immune stimulating properties.

I have to admit that the roots worry me a little since they, along with any
red parts of the plant (not including the berries), contains the highest
amount of toxins. The berries are the lowest as long as you do not eat the
seeds. 

When I grew up in Kentucky, pokeweed would be found anywhere you did not cut
or weed regularly. I have yet to see it in CA where I live now. I see that
you offer pokeweed for sale or trade on your site. What are your prices for
shoots, roots, leaves and berries and when are the seasons for each? I would
like enough berries for a pie and some jelly to try. The rest would be for
tincturing. Except for some shoots that I may cook if there are enough.

Thanks,
 Steve N

-Original Message-
From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:57 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>DMSO and poke

Steve,

I recommend a pure (upper 90s%) DMSO menstruum (herbal solvent), if you
are planning on tincturing the fresh green herb. If you are tincturing dry
herbs, I would go with the recommended ratios that are traditionally used
and varies from herb to herb. For instance it is recommended that when you
tincture dry poke root, you use a 50% ethanol/50% water solution, so I would
likewise use a 50% DMSO/50% water solution. Just substitute the DMSO for
ethanol.

DMSO should not need a preservative if used at the higher strengths,
just like ethanol. Things usually do not grow in DMSO as they do not in
ethanol, presuming the strength is high. I would not be afraid of herbal
tinctures 30% or higher in DMSO concentrations. I mostly only use High
purity DMSO in my tincturing process and I have yet to have a tincture
spoil.

I have never tried to combine DMSO and ethanol as a combination
menstruum. Interesting concept! I can only see an advantage to this from a
solvent standpoint if both solvents can extract components of an herb, if
one by itself could not. If you are only adding DMSO to provide a more
efficient vehicle of herbal drug delivery, then yes, that might be an
advantage too, though most people detest DMSO. You could extract the herb by
either using a combined DMSO/ethanol menstruum or just tincturing each herb
in a DMSO or ethanol menstruum then combining the two. Either way should be
ok to my way of thinking.

The eclectic medical movement that specialized in botanical medicines
from the late 1800s up till 1932 or so, found that the best poke root
tincture was made directly from the fresh green poke root. The dry poke root
is no where near as good or potent. The toxic qualities of poke weed are
highly exaggerated. No doubt if you ate the mature weed like you would the
young one or as you would any salad, you would suffer gastro-intestinal
distress, but that's about it--puking. In some circles, it is felt that
vomiting as a result of poke root is actually cathartic. This is held mainly
by the puke & cleanse old time herbalists. I would not be worried about the
widely publicized toxicity of poke. I know you will find that some young
children in the long ago past were said to be poisoned by the berry. Maybe
so. We don't know how much they ate, nor if they were compromised in some
way or if younger systems are more susceptible. In the adult, poke berries
were commonly used for arthritic conditions. As the old cliché goes, all
things are poison in the right amounts and most poisons are medicinal in
smaller amounts. Poke is no different. It is one of my favorite herbs and a
superb anti-viral and lymphatic stimulant. It is great as a topical DMSO
tincture.

doug


- Original Message - 

> Doug,
> A little while back I asked you about making tinctures with DMSO 
> (using the email address provided at your web site). If I remember 
> right you recommended a 50% DMSO solution. Thanks for the info. I was 
> wondering if you use a preservative in your DMSO tinctures? I am 
> considering a DMSO/vodka tincture and wondered if you have tried 
> something similar. If you do, would you need to combine the herb and 
> DMSO  and let it set first before adding the vodka, to maximize 
> bonding between DMSO and herb components rather than DMSO bonding with
alcohol?
> I also have a question regarding the 

RE: CS>DMSO and poke

[Norton, Steve]

Doug,

I certainly agree that pokeweed is interesting. 
Both in it's unique antiviral properties: Three well-known  different pokeweed 
antiviral protein (PAP)isoforms from the leaves of the pokeweed (PAP-I from 
spring leaves, PAPII from early summer leaves, and PAP-III from late summer 
leaves) that cause concentration-dependent depurination of genomic virus RNA. 
And there is the pokeweed mitogen. I have not come across mitogens in any other 
plant, although there may be some with mitogens. And in it's immune stimulating 
properties.

I have to admit that the roots worry me a little since they, along with any red 
parts of the plant (not including the berries), contains the highest amount of 
toxins. The berries are the lowest as long as you do not eat the seeds. 

When I grew up in Kentucky, pokeweed would be found anywhere you did not cut or 
weed regularly. I have yet to see it in CA where I live now. I see that you 
offer pokeweed for sale or trade on your site. What are your prices for shoots, 
roots, leaves and berries and when are the seasons for each? I would like 
enough berries for a pie and some jelly to try. The rest would be for 
tincturing. Except for some shoots that I may cook if there are enough.

Thanks,
 Steve N

-Original Message-
From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:57 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>DMSO and poke

Steve,

I recommend a pure (upper 90s%) DMSO menstruum (herbal solvent), if you are 
planning on tincturing the fresh green herb. If you are tincturing dry herbs, I 
would go with the recommended ratios that are traditionally used and varies 
from herb to herb. For instance it is recommended that when you tincture dry 
poke root, you use a 50% ethanol/50% water solution, so I would likewise use a 
50% DMSO/50% water solution. Just substitute the DMSO for ethanol.

DMSO should not need a preservative if used at the higher strengths, just 
like ethanol. Things usually do not grow in DMSO as they do not in ethanol, 
presuming the strength is high. I would not be afraid of herbal tinctures 30% 
or higher in DMSO concentrations. I mostly only use High purity DMSO in my 
tincturing process and I have yet to have a tincture spoil.

I have never tried to combine DMSO and ethanol as a combination menstruum. 
Interesting concept! I can only see an advantage to this from a solvent 
standpoint if both solvents can extract components of an herb, if one by itself 
could not. If you are only adding DMSO to provide a more efficient vehicle of 
herbal drug delivery, then yes, that might be an advantage too, though most 
people detest DMSO. You could extract the herb by either using a combined 
DMSO/ethanol menstruum or just tincturing each herb in a DMSO or ethanol 
menstruum then combining the two. Either way should be ok to my way of thinking.

The eclectic medical movement that specialized in botanical medicines from 
the late 1800s up till 1932 or so, found that the best poke root tincture was 
made directly from the fresh green poke root. The dry poke root is no where 
near as good or potent. The toxic qualities of poke weed are highly 
exaggerated. No doubt if you ate the mature weed like you would the young one 
or as you would any salad, you would suffer gastro-intestinal distress, but 
that's about it--puking. In some circles, it is felt that vomiting as a result 
of poke root is actually cathartic. This is held mainly by the puke & cleanse 
old time herbalists. I would not be worried about the widely publicized 
toxicity of poke. I know you will find that some young children in the long ago 
past were said to be poisoned by the berry. Maybe so. We don't know how much 
they ate, nor if they were compromised in some way or if younger systems are 
more susceptible. In the adult, poke berries were commonly used for arthritic 
conditions. As the old cliché goes, all things are poison in the right amounts 
and most poisons are medicinal in smaller amounts. Poke is no different. It is 
one of my favorite herbs and a superb anti-viral and lymphatic stimulant. It is 
great as a topical DMSO tincture.

doug


- Original Message - 

> Doug,
> A little while back I asked you about making tinctures with DMSO 
> (using the email address provided at your web site). If I remember 
> right you recommended a 50% DMSO solution. Thanks for the info. I was 
> wondering if you use a preservative in your DMSO tinctures? I am 
> considering a DMSO/vodka tincture and wondered if you have tried 
> something similar. If you do, would you need to combine the herb and 
> DMSO  and let it set first before adding the vodka, to maximize 
> bonding between DMSO and herb components rather than DMSO bonding with 
> alcohol?
> I also have a question regarding the tincturing of polkweed. The toxic 
> components of pokeweed are water soluble. Should one dry and powder 
> the pokeweed and then go through several soaking in w

Re: CS> Native American stories--OT

[zoe w]

Sandy wrote:

My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had the 
opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about Geronimo and 
the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth place. She took us to 
see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his horse jumped from into the 
Medicine River to get away from the US Calvary...he lived and did get away.

My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the white men 
would spit on her and her family and then they [the white people] would cross 
to the other side of the street so as to not be soiled by their presence.

I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother did not 
want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned children]...even from 
my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on my father claims we are not 
Apache but he lies...my Mother was very proud of her heritage and wanted her 
children to be proud of it too and we are.

Just thought I would share some of my Native American history.

Sandy 


--- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w  wrote:

  

From: zoe w 
Subject: Re: CS>  Native American stories--OT
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 4:11 PM

Im glad you are enjoying the stories.

zoe

AHorse52251 wrote:


Zoe,
Thank you for posting the group!
I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive
  

person, tuned into things around me. I wish I were. I can
certainly agree with Lois in what was done to the people
native to this country. There *should* have been white
bodies hanging from trees all across this country for what
the white man did, IMO.


No other minority had annihilation attempted on them
  

in this country that I ever heard of. OK, I'll get off my
soapbox, not that I want to...


Thanks again. I joined and look foreward
  

to the stories!


Janis


--- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w 
  

wrote:

   
  

From: zoe w 
Subject: Re: CS>  Native American


stories--


To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:46 PM



   
  It is good that you are that


sensitive.   Yes  if you


listen closely you can still hear them


whisper.   I am hardpressed to


find  any place
on this continent  that wasn't once 


either a


campground  or
huntingground  or otherwise steeped in the


history  of


one tribe or
another.Sleeping out under the


stars  used to put


me in touch with
the  ancestors,  wish I could still do


that sort of


thing.I can
still  sit in the woods  by myself 


and get tuned in


that way.



zoe






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Re: CS> Native American stories--OT

[Sandy]

My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had the 
opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about Geronimo and 
the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth place. She took us to 
see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his horse jumped from into the 
Medicine River to get away from the US Calvary...he lived and did get away.

My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the white men 
would spit on her and her family and then they [the white people] would cross 
to the other side of the street so as to not be soiled by their presence.

I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother did not 
want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned children]...even from 
my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on my father claims we are not 
Apache but he lies...my Mother was very proud of her heritage and wanted her 
children to be proud of it too and we are.

Just thought I would share some of my Native American history.

Sandy 

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w  wrote:

> From: zoe w 
> Subject: Re: CS>  Native American stories--OT
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 4:11 PM
> 
> Im glad you are enjoying the stories.
> 
> zoe
> 
> AHorse52251 wrote:
> > Zoe,
> >    Thank you for posting the group!
> >    I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive
> person, tuned into things around me. I wish I were. I can
> certainly agree with Lois in what was done to the people
> native to this country. There *should* have been white
> bodies hanging from trees all across this country for what
> the white man did, IMO.
> > No other minority had annihilation attempted on them
> in this country that I ever heard of. OK, I'll get off my
> soapbox, not that I want to...
> >    Thanks again. I joined and look foreward
> to the stories!
> > Janis
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w 
> wrote:
> > 
> >   
> >> From: zoe w 
> >> Subject: Re: CS>  Native American
> stories--
> >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:46 PM
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>   
> >>  It is good that you are that
> sensitive.   Yes  if you
> >> listen closely you can still hear them
> whisper.   I am hardpressed to
> >> find  any place
> >> on this continent  that wasn't once 
> either a
> >> campground  or
> >> huntingground  or otherwise steeped in the
> history  of
> >> one tribe or
> >> another.    Sleeping out under the
> stars  used to put
> >> me in touch with
> >> the  ancestors,  wish I could still do
> that sort of
> >> thing.    I can
> >> still  sit in the woods  by myself 
> and get tuned in
> >> that way.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> zoe
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> zzekel...@aol.com
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >>           In a
> message dated 9/30/2009 12:22:30 A.M. Eastern
> >> Daylight
> >> Time, mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
> >> writes:
> >>   Lois,
> >> 
> >> Most of the stories told by my Grandpa  were
> very
> >> personal  family
> >> stories that would have no meaning to
> outsiders.   Ours
> >> have been
> >> preserved  and are being passed down to
> successive
> >> generations of which
> >> there are three  beyond myself so far. 
>   If you are
> >> looking for the
> >> generic,   creation,  myth
> stories  there is a place
> >> you can go.
> >> 
> >>     
> >>     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IPLStories/
> >> 
> >>     
> >> Wonderful collections of stories
> here,   some old,  some
> >> new.
> >> 
> >>     
> >> zoe
> >> 
> >>         zoe, I think
> it is great you are preserving the
> >> stories... I am
> >> not looking for generic, have read many of them. I
> live in
> >> the land of
> >> the Senecas. One of their camps was within walking
> distance
> >> of where I
> >> live in Letchworth State Park. It is almost as if
> I can
> >> sense their
> >> presence here in my woods. It is said that their
> winter
> >> camp was in
> >> this woods. I just appreciate their history &
> abhor
> >> what was done
> >> to them..   Lois
> >>   
> >> 
> >>  
> 
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Re: CS>Lung Cancer

[Acmeair]

ldn_4_can...@yahoogroups.com  
 
take a look at this site.    jimLDN_4_cancer LDN_4_cancer Sep 30, 2009 04:06:37 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote:


I have a 54 year old lady from another group who has sharred she has lung cancer. Any and all advice to go after this cancer would surely be appreciated by her family,
thanks deb


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Re: CS>Lung Cancer

[Garnet]

Tell her to check out Low Dose Naltrexone. It raises 
endorphin levels
by 300%. Cancers that are sensitive to endorphins, including 
lung

cancer, respond to this increase by shrinking.

Dr Bert Burkson of Las Cruces New Mexico has treated many cancer
patients with LDN and IV Alpha Lipoic Acid. Most are late 
stage by the
time the look for alt treatments. He has video presentations 
on You Tube
that are listed on the LDN Information list along with many 
other videos

from LDN conferences.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information is a resource 
list only
and generates no messages. Just lots of links and files to 
LDN info.


Cancer
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ldnforcancer  

Cancer
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_4_cancer  

Lung Cancer
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lung-Cancer-Support-Group


www.ldndatabase.com  has reports of people taking LDN, the 
site owner's
wife was given months to live and she has been over 18 
months on LDN.



There are many more resources but these should be a good start.

Garnet

Deborah Gerard wrote:
I have a 54 year old lady from another group who has sharred she has 
lung cancer. Any and all advice to go after this cancer would surely be 
appreciated by her family,

thanks deb




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CS>Lung Cancer

[Deborah Gerard]

I have a 54 year old lady from another group who has sharred she has lung 
cancer. Any and all advice to go after this cancer would surely be appreciated 
by her family,
thanks deb


  

Re: CS>Lypo-spheric vitamin C

[cking001]

Well, here's a stab at it...
When I make it, I use a heaping tablespoon of ascorbic acid powder.
Approx 20 grams.

That amount (not liposomal encapsulated) would most definitely exceed
anyone's bowel tolerance.

Going through the encapsulating process, it's tolerable although some
rumbling is noticeable and the stool is somewhat liquid.
I believe I'm pushing the envelope.

I would not be surprised to hear that some might have a bit of
distress. 
My longtime experience with regular large dose C is that you
accustomize to the dosage fairly quickly (a day or so).

Chuck
Virtual reality is its own reward.


On 9/30/2009 4:33:16 PM, Pat (pattycake29...@yahoo.com) wrote:
> I suppose all you who are making liposomal vitamin C are also taking it.
> Have any of you had stomach pains or worse?  The first two times I took my
> Livon lipospheric C, I felt a little queasy which went away soon as I ate
> something.  The last time, Friday night, I took some late because I felt a
> little funny like I might have something coming on or an allergy.  I woke
> about 2 1/2 hours later with terrible sharp stomach pain which then turned
> queasy.  (Runs X 3 after that) After sipping colloidal silver every 10 or
> 15 minutes, I was feeling well enough to go back to bed in about an hour.
> I was back to normal in 12 hours.  I probably had picked up germs from
> eating persimmons off the ground, or who knows where, but
> I'm a little afraid it was the C.  I'll wait for a good day when I don't have 
> anywhere to go to try it again.
> 
> Pat
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>OT boron and borax ( fleas )

[ZZekelink]

 
In a message dated 9/30/2009 3:49:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
fuzzm...@frontier.com writes:

I've  also heard it's good for fleas? Is it?


I have read that it works, also as an ant & other creepys barrier when  put 
in a 2" line around the outside of your house...Haven't tried  it.

Re: CS>OT boron and borax Chuck

[ZZekelink]

 
In a message dated 9/29/2009 6:24:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cking...@nycap.rr.com writes:

Chuck
No moving parts! I'm so sorry.  :-)

Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[zoe w]

Amazon.com   sells it by the gallon.

zoe


Roger and Lisa Royal wrote:
Are you in the US?  I buy ACV at the health food store or Kroger, 
etc.  for about $4 per 16 oz.  I only use about a tablespoon in his 
drinking water--maybe even half of that (1/2 tablespoon)  Yes, you 
need the cloudy kind with the "mother".


- Original Message -
*From:* Fuzzmom 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:34 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>OT boron and borax

Oh thank you will get..need about a gallon of it..and i assume
youmean the raw cloudy type? where would I find a large amount the
small bottles are expensive.

-

Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[Roger and Lisa Royal]

Are you in the US?  I buy ACV at the health food store or Kroger, etc.  for 
about $4 per 16 oz.  I only use about a tablespoon in his drinking water--maybe 
even half of that (1/2 tablespoon)  Yes, you need the cloudy kind with the 
"mother".
  - Original Message - 
  From: Fuzzmom 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:34 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax


  Oh thank you will get..need about a gallon of it..and i assume youmean 
the raw cloudy type? where would I find a large amount the small bottles are 
expensive. 
- Original Message - 
From: Roger and Lisa Royal 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax


We have suffered with fleas on my dog for the past 2 years.  I have tried 
all the natural remedies I could find like DE and garlic, but nothing worked.  
The only thing that worked was Comfortis, a probably vile, monthly medication.  
FINALLY,  I read about apple cider vinegar being good for fleas.  I started 
putting a splash in his water (probably a 4 cup water bowl), and he has been 
flea free for several months now.  It has been a god send for us.  He doesn't 
seem to mind the taste either, thank goodness.  I am so happy to spread the 
word about this and hope it helps someone else!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Fuzzmom 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:53 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax


  Please tell me how you get permanent riddence I am s allergic I can't 
sleep and the sprays dips etc do nothing. 
- Original Message - 
From: zoe w 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax


Borax  does kill the fleas  but not the eggs  which is why you have to 
do it again  in a few days. Twice was all I needed to get permanent 
riddance.

zoe

Kirsteen Wright wrote: 


 I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? i"ve tried 
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am allergic 
to them.

  I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for 
fleas. I don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you manage to get rid 
of them, it keeps them away. We used to regularly get flleas until i discovered 
it, as the cats would bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried 
pennyroyal on the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free. I'd 
also sprinkle some on the floors and then sweep it into the cracks in the 
floorboards (we had varnished floors).

  I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and rub 
pennyroyal through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could literally see 
clouds of fleas leaping off it.  

  good luck
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Re: CS>DMSO and poke

[polo]

Steve,

   I recommend a pure (upper 90s%) DMSO menstruum (herbal solvent), if you 
are planning on tincturing the fresh green herb. If you are tincturing dry 
herbs, I would go with the recommended ratios that are traditionally used 
and varies from herb to herb. For instance it is recommended that when you 
tincture dry poke root, you use a 50% ethanol/50% water solution, so I would 
likewise use a 50% DMSO/50% water solution. Just substitute the DMSO for 
ethanol.


   DMSO should not need a preservative if used at the higher strengths, 
just like ethanol. Things usually do not grow in DMSO as they do not in 
ethanol, presuming the strength is high. I would not be afraid of herbal 
tinctures 30% or higher in DMSO concentrations. I mostly only use High 
purity DMSO in my tincturing process and I have yet to have a tincture 
spoil.


   I have never tried to combine DMSO and ethanol as a combination 
menstruum. Interesting concept! I can only see an advantage to this from a 
solvent standpoint if both solvents can extract components of an herb, if 
one by itself could not. If you are only adding DMSO to provide a more 
efficient vehicle of herbal drug delivery, then yes, that might be an 
advantage too, though most people detest DMSO. You could extract the herb by 
either using a combined DMSO/ethanol menstruum or just tincturing each herb 
in a DMSO or ethanol menstruum then combining the two. Either way should be 
ok to my way of thinking.


   The eclectic medical movement that specialized in botanical medicines 
from the late 1800s up till 1932 or so, found that the best poke root 
tincture was made directly from the fresh green poke root. The dry poke root 
is no where near as good or potent. The toxic qualities of poke weed are 
highly exaggerated. No doubt if you ate the mature weed like you would the 
young one or as you would any salad, you would suffer gastro-intestinal 
distress, but that's about it--puking. In some circles, it is felt that 
vomiting as a result of poke root is actually cathartic. This is held mainly 
by the puke & cleanse old time herbalists. I would not be worried about the 
widely publicized toxicity of poke. I know you will find that some young 
children in the long ago past were said to be poisoned by the berry. Maybe 
so. We don't know how much they ate, nor if they were compromised in some 
way or if younger systems are more susceptible. In the adult, poke berries 
were commonly used for arthritic conditions. As the old cliché goes, all 
things are poison in the right amounts and most poisons are medicinal in 
smaller amounts. Poke is no different. It is one of my favorite herbs and a 
superb anti-viral and lymphatic stimulant. It is great as a topical DMSO 
tincture.


doug


- Original Message - 


Doug,
A little while back I asked you about making tinctures with DMSO (using
the email address provided at your web site). If I remember right you
recommended a 50% DMSO solution. Thanks for the info. I was wondering if
you use a preservative in your DMSO tinctures? I am considering a
DMSO/vodka tincture and wondered if you have tried something similar. If
you do, would you need to combine the herb and DMSO  and let it set
first before adding the vodka, to maximize bonding between DMSO and herb
components rather than DMSO bonding with alcohol?
I also have a question regarding the tincturing of polkweed. The toxic
components of pokeweed are water soluble. Should one dry and powder the
pokeweed and then go through several soaking in water. Throwing away the
water after each soaking before tincturing to eliminate the toxic
substances? Or would you recommend an extraction using a non polar
solvent to remove only the non water soluble components of the pokeweed?
Thanks,
Steve N



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Re: CS>Lypo-spheric vitamin C

[Del]

I took Livon lipospheric C for 30 days (1 box).
Didn't notice a thing.
Darn, wonder what that means?

Del
- Original Message - 
From: "Pat" 

To: "silver list" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:33 PM
Subject: CS>Lypo-spheric vitamin C


I suppose all you who are making liposomal vitamin C are also taking it. 
Have any of you had stomach pains or worse?  The first two times I took my 
Livon lipospheric C, I felt a little queasy which went away soon as I ate 
something.  The last time, Friday night, I took some late because I felt a 
little funny like I might have something coming on or an allergy.  I woke 
about 2 1/2 hours later with terrible sharp stomach pain which then turned 
queasy.  (Runs X 3 after that) After sipping colloidal silver every 10 or 
15 minutes, I was feeling well enough to go back to bed in about an hour. 
I was back to normal in 12 hours.  I probably had picked up germs from 
eating persimmons off the ground, or who knows where, but I'm a little 
afraid it was the C.  I'll wait for a good day when I don't have anywhere 
to go to try it again.


Pat






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Re: CS> Native American stories--OT

[zoe w]

Im glad you are enjoying the stories.

zoe

AHorse52251 wrote:

Zoe,
   Thank you for posting the group!
   I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive person, tuned into things around me. 
I wish I were. I can certainly agree with Lois in what was done to the people 
native to this country. There *should* have been white bodies hanging from 
trees all across this country for what the white man did, IMO.
No other minority had annihilation attempted on them in this country that I 
ever heard of. OK, I'll get off my soapbox, not that I want to...
   Thanks again. I joined and look foreward to the stories!
Janis


--- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w  wrote:

  

From: zoe w 
Subject: Re: CS>  Native American stories--
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:46 PM



  

 
It is good that you are that sensitive.   Yes  if you
listen closely 
you can still hear them whisper.   I am hardpressed to

find  any place
on this continent  that wasn't once  either a
campground  or
huntingground  or otherwise steeped in the history  of
one tribe or
another.Sleeping out under the stars  used to put
me in touch with
the  ancestors,  wish I could still do that sort of
thing.I can
still  sit in the woods  by myself  and get tuned in
that way.



zoe



zzekel...@aol.com
wrote:

  
  
  
  
  In a message dated 9/30/2009 12:22:30 A.M. Eastern

Daylight
Time, mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
writes:
  Lois,

Most of the stories told by my Grandpa  were very
personal  family
stories that would have no meaning to outsiders.   Ours
have been
preserved  and are being passed down to successive
generations of which
there are three  beyond myself so far.If you are
looking for the
generic,   creation,  myth stories  there is a place
you can go.




http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IPLStories/




Wonderful collections of stories here,   some old,  some
new.




zoe


  
  zoe, I think it is great you are preserving the

stories... I am
not looking for generic, have read many of them. I live in
the land of
the Senecas. One of their camps was within walking distance
of where I
live in Letchworth State Park. It is almost as if I can
sense their
presence here in my woods. It is said that their winter
camp was in
this woods. I just appreciate their history & abhor
what was done
to them..   Lois
  



 



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RE: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C

[Norton, Steve]

Doug,
A little while back I asked you about making tinctures with DMSO (using
the email address provided at your web site). If I remember right you
recommended a 50% DMSO solution. Thanks for the info. I was wondering if
you use a preservative in your DMSO tinctures? I am considering a
DMSO/vodka tincture and wondered if you have tried something similar. If
you do, would you need to combine the herb and DMSO  and let it set
first before adding the vodka, to maximize bonding between DMSO and herb
components rather than DMSO bonding with alcohol?
I also have a question regarding the tincturing of polkweed. The toxic
components of pokeweed are water soluble. Should one dry and powder the
pokeweed and then go through several soaking in water. Throwing away the
water after each soaking before tincturing to eliminate the toxic
substances? Or would you recommend an extraction using a non polar
solvent to remove only the non water soluble components of the pokeweed?
Thanks,
 Steve N

-Original Message-
From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:01 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C

You might check out my new webpage:

http://www.racehorseherbal.com/Infections/LET/let.html

I tried to summarize everything,

doug


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Re: CS> Native American stories--OT

[AHorse52251]

Zoe,
   Thank you for posting the group!
   I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive person, tuned into things around me. 
I wish I were. I can certainly agree with Lois in what was done to the people 
native to this country. There *should* have been white bodies hanging from 
trees all across this country for what the white man did, IMO.
No other minority had annihilation attempted on them in this country that I 
ever heard of. OK, I'll get off my soapbox, not that I want to...
   Thanks again. I joined and look foreward to the stories!
Janis


--- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w  wrote:

> From: zoe w 
> Subject: Re: CS>  Native American stories--
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:46 PM
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
>  
> It is good that you are that sensitive.   Yes  if you
> listen closely 
> you can still hear them whisper.   I am hardpressed to
> find  any place
> on this continent  that wasn't once  either a
> campground  or
> huntingground  or otherwise steeped in the history  of
> one tribe or
> another.    Sleeping out under the stars  used to put
> me in touch with
> the  ancestors,  wish I could still do that sort of
> thing.    I can
> still  sit in the woods  by myself  and get tuned in
> that way.
> 
> 
> 
> zoe
> 
> 
> 
> zzekel...@aol.com
> wrote:
> 
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   In a message dated 9/30/2009 12:22:30 A.M. Eastern
> Daylight
> Time, mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
> writes:
>   Lois,
> 
> Most of the stories told by my Grandpa  were very
> personal  family
> stories that would have no meaning to outsiders.   Ours
> have been
> preserved  and are being passed down to successive
> generations of which
> there are three  beyond myself so far.    If you are
> looking for the
> generic,   creation,  myth stories  there is a place
> you can go.
> 
> 
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IPLStories/
> 
> 
> 
> Wonderful collections of stories here,   some old,  some
> new.
> 
> 
> 
> zoe
> 
> 
>   
>   zoe, I think it is great you are preserving the
> stories... I am
> not looking for generic, have read many of them. I live in
> the land of
> the Senecas. One of their camps was within walking distance
> of where I
> live in Letchworth State Park. It is almost as if I can
> sense their
> presence here in my woods. It is said that their winter
> camp was in
> this woods. I just appreciate their history & abhor
> what was done
> to them..   Lois
>   
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 





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CS>Lypo-spheric vitamin C

[Pat]

I suppose all you who are making liposomal vitamin C are also taking it.  Have 
any of you had stomach pains or worse?  The first two times I took my Livon 
lipospheric C, I felt a little queasy which went away soon as I ate something.  
The last time, Friday night, I took some late because I felt a little funny 
like I might have something coming on or an allergy.  I woke about 2 1/2 hours 
later with terrible sharp stomach pain which then turned queasy.  (Runs X 3 
after that) After sipping colloidal silver every 10 or 15 minutes, I was 
feeling well enough to go back to bed in about an hour.  I was back to normal 
in 12 hours.  I probably had picked up germs from eating persimmons off the 
ground, or who knows where, but I'm a little afraid it was the C.  I'll wait 
for a good day when I don't have anywhere to go to try it again.

Pat



  


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CS>Getting Started

[Jeff Maahs]

Hi,


I would like to start out with CS. It would be mainly for myself but perhaps 
also for my young kids at some point.

Is there a standard email that can be posted with some advice for beginners? 

If I buy some is there a better manufacturer? 
Is there a standard ppm to use? 
Dosage amounts for everyday versus when you have come down with something?

Is there a guide for making it yourself? 

Thanks!
Jeff


  

CS>Another questions

[Larry Biggar]

Hi Ken! I don't have shortness of breath, caughing or access mucas. But the VA 
gives me inhalers etc. I don't think i have Astma, etc. But if i get a cold. It 
immediatly becomes a severe breathing problem. But i think that is just a part 
of the cold/flu. The same with my re-occuring bladder infections. Both i feel 
are treatable with CS. Which i intend to treat with your spray and drinking it 
after holding in my mouth as long as i can. My VA nurse, that comes out once a 
week. She has become very interested in CS, my organic food and natural 
healing. She wanted to take a prelimanary blood/uran samples. Then in a few 
weeks another. So, Monday a nurse from my VA Dr. called and left a message. 
That my antisipated use of CS is VERY much frowned upon. I read the book CS 
today that i just baught from you. I wonder if there is some info that could 
talk in Dr. talk why, how and when the bennifits of CS. My Dr. is from India 
and turned me on to Soy Milk has been
 very interested in my doctoring my herbalist was doing and my ongoing 
vitamin/mineral regiment. Since my Dr. and I have a agree to disagree 
arrangement. I can request another Dr. visit at any time. I've already gave him 
several CD's on various subjects. Even the bad additives of the H1N1 and other 
contraversal subjects. I believe that he, my nurse and many other Americans. 
Just don't know. Because we just don't have time to fallow. But i would 
appriciate your help in making more people receptive to CS treatment. Now, if 
you haven't sent out replacement for my funnel and dropper please include them 
on my next order of the battery pack and whatever else you think i should 
order. You have my CC # so you can just use that! Thanks again Ken! I really 
appriciate your far away friendship! Oh, here in Portland, Or. there isn't much 
sun to heat a jug. God Bless!  Larry



  

Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[Fuzzmom]

It was in a deodorant stick sort of.
- Original Message - 
From: "Garnet" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax



She may have been referring to the essential oil of Penny
Royal which
is a lot more concentrated than rubbing on the plant.

Garnet

Fuzzmom wrote:

ll in all if your friend is a herbalist then I'll tae her word over that
of someone who just sells a product..a girl at one of those catalog for
pets told me not to use it but I'll still check it out.

- Original Message -
*From:* Kirsteen Wright 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:39 AM
*Subject:* Re: RE: CS>OT boron and borax



On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Fuzzmom mailto:fuzzm...@frontier.com>> wrote:

Is pennyroyal ok for cats I heard it could ill thems o I avoided
it. I know it's ok for dogs..cool where do you get it?


I've never heard that it's bad for cats but, if you've heard that, I
would check it out before using it. I'd hate to be responsible for
harming someone's pet.

I'm in the UK. i originally got it from a friend in Edinburgh who
was a herbalist at the time. I know it can be difficult to get as it
can be used to bring on an abortion. I did manage to get it later on
from a local herbalist. I can't remember which one but it was either
Neale's Yard or Napiers.

Cheers
Kirsteen




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Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[Garnet]

She may have been referring to the essential oil of Penny 
Royal which

is a lot more concentrated than rubbing on the plant.

Garnet

Fuzzmom wrote:
ll in all if your friend is a herbalist then I'll tae her word over that 
of someone who just sells a product..a girl at one of those catalog for 
pets told me not to use it but I'll still check it out.


- Original Message -
*From:* Kirsteen Wright 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:39 AM
*Subject:* Re: RE: CS>OT boron and borax



On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Fuzzmom mailto:fuzzm...@frontier.com>> wrote:

Is pennyroyal ok for cats I heard it could ill thems o I avoided
it. I know it's ok for dogs..cool where do you get it? 



I've never heard that it's bad for cats but, if you've heard that, I
would check it out before using it. I'd hate to be responsible for
harming someone's pet.

I'm in the UK. i originally got it from a friend in Edinburgh who
was a herbalist at the time. I know it can be difficult to get as it
can be used to bring on an abortion. I did manage to get it later on
from a local herbalist. I can't remember which one but it was either
Neale's Yard or Napiers.

Cheers
Kirsteen




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CS>Liposomal C Post on LDN Database Forum

[Garnet]

For anyone who would like to contribute their experiences 
and benefits of Liposomal C
here is the link to the thread I created. This is a new Low 
Dose Naltrexone Forum created
by the owner of the LDN Database in Ireland. Not much info 
on the forum yet but should
prove to be a great community for discussing all matters 
related to LDN and the range of
conditions it is used to treat which includes Autoimmune 
disease, some Cancers (must
have the opioid receptor), Allergies, Asthma, Autism, 
HIVAIDS, Hormone Imbalance,

Thyroiditis, Flu and Cold Prevention and more.

Would love to have some of you good folks visit and 
contribute as well as help to

spread the word on LDN.

http://ldndatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?p=102&posted=1#post102

Thanks again for everyone's contribution to my LET C thread!

Garnet


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Re: CS> Native American stories--

[zoe w]

It is good that you are that sensitive.   Yes  if you listen closely  
you can still hear them whisper.   I am hardpressed to find  any place 
on this continent  that wasn't once  either a campground  or 
huntingground  or otherwise steeped in the history  of one tribe or 
another.Sleeping out under the stars  used to put me in touch with 
the  ancestors,  wish I could still do that sort of thing.I can 
still  sit in the woods  by myself  and get tuned in that way.


zoe

zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 9/30/2009 12:22:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk writes:


Lois,
Most of the stories told by my Grandpa  were very personal  family
stories that would have no meaning to outsiders.   Ours have been
preserved  and are being passed down to successive generations of
which there are three  beyond myself so far.If you are looking
for the generic,   creation,  myth stories  there is a place you
can go.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IPLStories/

Wonderful collections of stories here,   some old,  some new.

zoe

zoe, I think it is great you are preserving the stories... I am not 
looking for generic, have read many of them. I live in the land of the 
Senecas. One of their camps was within walking distance of where I 
live in Letchworth State Park. It is almost as if I can sense their 
presence here in my woods. It is said that their winter camp was in 
this woods. I just appreciate their history & abhor what was done to 
them..   Lois

Re: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics

[Smitty]

There are some testimonials here for those interested =
http://tinyurl.com/ydkxqv5

Smitty

###

On 9/30/09, Norton, Steve  wrote:
> That is interesting. Thanks.
>   - Steve N
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
>  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:12 AM
>  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>  Subject: Re: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics
>
>  You are correct that the body maintains the blood pH within a very
>  narrow range.  It really never gets out of range, the problem is the
>  problems the body creates for itself maintaining this pH.  It strips
>  calcium from the bones, it causes overload of the liver and kidneys
>  expelling the acid, and according to the book, it stashes acids away
>  into fat.  The book contends that much obesity is caused by the body
>  storing fat simply to be able to stash acids away in the fat.  That if
>  the body is not having to do this, it will burn the fat instead.
>  Interesting theory at any rate.
>
>  Marshall
>
>  Norton, Steve wrote:
>  > Marshall,
>  > The body alkalization theory has always escaped my understanding
>  > except where an alkaline substance is injected into the bloodstream
>  > just upstream of a tumor causing a localized change pH. The body does
>  > an excellent job of controlling blood pH regardless of what is
>  ingested.
>  > Unless there is an excessive ingestion of acidic substances that
>  > depletes the body's stores of alkalizing substances. Even pH in the
>  > intestinal tract is fairly tightly controlled. Studies measuring pH
>  > along the intestinal tract show surprising small variations of pH
>  > regardless of whether acidic or alkaline substances are ingested.
>  > You can measure pH changes in urine or saliva but I think that is
>  > because it is the body's way of releasing excessive amounts of acidic
>  > or alkaline substances and controlling blood pH.
>  >
>  > That said, they have determined a link between low urine pH caused by
>  > gout and insulin resistance. Treatment is to raise the urine pH and to
>
>  > treat the gout. Not sure how that all fits in with the book you have.
>  >  - Steve N
>  >
>  > -Original Message-
>  > From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net]
>  > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:58 AM
>  > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>  > Subject: Re: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics
>  >
>  > I think a better book would be "INFECTIOUS DIABETES" by Doug Kaufmann.
>  > Talk about food for thought! Going further, if diabetes is fungi based
>
>  > as is the book's premise, this would offer some basis for the use of
>  > sodium chlorite for treating diabetes. My sparse experience with MMS
>  > was with my dog that seemed to develop canine diabetes and I seemed to
>
>  > have reversed it with sodium chlorite. So far I am intrigued and
>  elated.
>  >
>  > doug
>  >
>  >
>  > - Original Message -
>  > From: "Marshall Dudley" 
>  > To: 
>  > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:58 AM
>  > Subject: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >> I ordered this book and it came yesterday.  It does have some
>  >> interesting ideas.  However I am put off by his inaccurate or
>  >>
>  > incomplete
>  >
>  >> descriptions of some of the protocols he says to do.  For instance, I
>
>  >> was interested in the alkalinized water as a starting point. On page
>  >>
>  > 68
>  >
>  >> he says: "combine one quart of water with 16 drops of sodium
>  >> chlorite..".  Now first of all sodium chlorite is a solid, not a
>  >>
>  > liquid,
>  >
>  >> so this seemed a rather odd way of expressing it.  So before
>  >>
>  > converting
>  >
>  >> drops to grams and trying it I did some figuring first.  That works
>  >>
>  > out
>  >
>  >> to be approximately 1 gram, and if you drink 4 quarts in a day, would
>
>  >> end up being 4 grams.  Having had experience with MMS, I knew that
>  >> was
>  >>
>  > a
>  >
>  >> huge amount, about 20 times the maximum I was able to work up to in a
>
>  >> day, and over 100 times what I was able to initially take in a day
>  >> without digestive problems.  So I checked the msds, and found that
>  >> the lethal dosage is less than 4 times that amount.  The amount
>  >>
>  > recommended
>  >
>  >> would certainly put anyone in the hospital at best, and possibly kill
>
>  >> them at worst.
>  >>
>  >> So, I checked the index for sodium chlorite to see if he talks about
>  >>
>  > it
>  >
>  >> anywhere else, and found he once again mentions it on page 88   There
>  >>
>  > he
>  >
>  >> says to "add 16 drops per liter of 2 percent sodium chlorite
>  >>
>  > solution".
>  >
>  >> Ahh, now he has it right.  The first place I read his recommendation
>  >> produced a concentration 50 times what he was really wanting.
>  >> Fortunately I had enough experience with this compound to realize
>  >> that something was wrong with the first place he gives the
>  >> information, but others may not be so

Re: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics

[Annie B Smythe]

Hi Steve,

Sorry to break in here. But due to our Western diet most of us lean 
toward the acidic side of the scale anyway. Coffee, tea, soft drinks, 
medications, excessive protein and sugar in the diet, pollution, and 
probably a few others y'all could point out. The body uses calcium to 
buffer acid, and a good portion of people in the US don't get the RDA of 
calcium, much less more than the RDA. Bones and teeth suffer as a 
result. I don't remember the numbers, but it takes so much water and or 
calcium to buffer just one soft drink. I'm not an expert in chemistry 
mind you and I could be wrong, but that's what I understand from my own 
digging around on the subject.


Annie

Norton, Steve wrote:

Marshall,
The body alkalization theory has always escaped my understanding except
where an alkaline substance is injected into the bloodstream just
upstream of a tumor causing a localized change pH. The body does an
excellent job of controlling blood pH regardless of what is ingested.
Unless there is an excessive ingestion of acidic substances that
depletes the body's stores of alkalizing substances. Even pH in the
intestinal tract is fairly tightly controlled. Studies measuring pH
along the intestinal tract show surprising small variations of pH
regardless of whether acidic or alkaline substances are ingested. 
You can measure pH changes in urine or saliva but I think that is

because it is the body's way of releasing excessive amounts of acidic or
alkaline substances and controlling blood pH.

That said, they have determined a link between low urine pH caused by
gout and insulin resistance. Treatment is to raise the urine pH and to
treat the gout. Not sure how that all fits in with the book you have.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:58 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics

I think a better book would be "INFECTIOUS DIABETES" by Doug Kaufmann.
Talk about food for thought! Going further, if diabetes is fungi based
as is the book's premise, this would offer some basis for the use of
sodium chlorite for treating diabetes. My sparse experience with MMS was
with my dog that seemed to develop canine diabetes and I seemed to have
reversed it with sodium chlorite. So far I am intrigued and elated.

doug


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics



I ordered this book and it came yesterday.  It does have some
interesting ideas.  However I am put off by his inaccurate or

incomplete

descriptions of some of the protocols he says to do.  For instance, I
was interested in the alkalinized water as a starting point. On page

68

he says: "combine one quart of water with 16 drops of sodium
chlorite..".  Now first of all sodium chlorite is a solid, not a

liquid,

so this seemed a rather odd way of expressing it.  So before

converting

drops to grams and trying it I did some figuring first.  That works

out

to be approximately 1 gram, and if you drink 4 quarts in a day, would
end up being 4 grams.  Having had experience with MMS, I knew that was

a

huge amount, about 20 times the maximum I was able to work up to in a
day, and over 100 times what I was able to initially take in a day
without digestive problems.  So I checked the msds, and found that the
lethal dosage is less than 4 times that amount.  The amount

recommended

would certainly put anyone in the hospital at best, and possibly kill
them at worst.

So, I checked the index for sodium chlorite to see if he talks about

it

anywhere else, and found he once again mentions it on page 88   There

he

says to "add 16 drops per liter of 2 percent sodium chlorite

solution".

Ahh, now he has it right.  The first place I read his recommendation
produced a concentration 50 times what he was really wanting.
Fortunately I had enough experience with this compound to realize that
something was wrong with the first place he gives the information, but
others may not be so fortunate.

But now I am puzzled.  Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is truly highly
alkaline.  But it breaks down into chlorious acid in the stomach,

which

then breaks down into NaCl and O2 eventually.  So how does this

improve

your body's pH? NaCl is plain old table salt.

Marshall



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Re: CS> Native American stories--

[ZZekelink]

 
In a message dated 9/30/2009 12:22:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk writes:

Lois,
Most of the stories told by my Grandpa  were very  personal  family stories 
that would have no meaning to  outsiders.   Ours have been preserved  and 
are being passed  down to successive generations of which there are three  
beyond myself so  far.If you are looking for the generic,creation,  
myth stories  there is a place you can go.

_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IPLStories/_ 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IPLStories/) 

Wonderful  collections of stories here,   some old,  some  new.

zoe



zoe, I think it is great you are preserving the stories... I am not looking 
 for generic, have read many of them. I live in the land of the Senecas. 
One of  their camps was within walking distance of where I live in Letchworth 
State  Park. It is almost as if I can sense their presence here in my woods. 
It is said  that their winter camp was in this woods. I just appreciate 
their history &  abhor what was done to them..   Lois

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>  I also can no longer find sub and unsub silverlist info at
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to me.
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Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[Clayton Family]

yes it is from the Great Salt Lake in Utah.

It is fairly high inbromines, and I don't do well with it, maybe for  
that reason; but others seem to like it just fine...



On Sep 30, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Garnet wrote:

Concentrace is a brand name. I bought it at the health food store.  
It's a

fairly well known product made from concentrated salt water.

Garnet

Fuzzmom wrote:
concentrated drops? Um..where do you get them and what are they? I  
mean what's the difference.

- Original Message - From: "Garnet" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax

I use Concentrace drops in the distilled drinking water that
I make myself.

Garnet

Fuzzmom wrote:

then how do you take it as a supplement/
- Original Message - From: "frankcuns-r...@comcast.net"

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax



Borax IS NOT safe to eat
Frank ND

Fuzzmom wrote:

Isn't borax a laundry soap is it safe to eat/

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Melly Bag 
   *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
   *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:05 PM
   *Subject:* Re: CS>OT boron and borax

   I use borax to wash my kitchen countertops and floor also in  
the
   laundry as it is a good disinfectant - like chlorine.  Why  
don't
   you just buy the supplement Boron.  There is a liquid  
supplement

   of  silica with boron which i take by jarrows.

   Melly

   --- On *Tue, 9/29/09, Shirley Reed /mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com>>/* wrote:


   From: Shirley Reed 
   Subject: CS>OT boron and borax
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
   Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 3:01 PM

  Does anyone know of any negatives regarding the use of
   borax as a dietary source of boron???  Have read that  
just one
   joint of the index finger coated with borax and popped  
into
   the mouth will give enough boron to suffice for daily  
needs.

   Need confirmation as to this information.  tia  pj





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Re: CS>Snails and moles

[cking001]

Nah! They get rowdy and start smashing up the lawn furniture...

Gawd...can't help myself today

Chuck
Not all men are fools, some are bachelors.


On 9/30/2009 11:34:34 AM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com)
wrote:
> If you are over 21, you can put glasses of beer outside and they will be
> attracted to them, drink the beer, get drunk, fall in and drown.
> 
> Marshall
> 
> Jayson wrote:
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Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[Fuzzmom]

i'll se if my local store carries it.
- Original Message - 
From: "Garnet" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax



Concentrace is a brand name. I bought it at the health food
store. It's a
fairly well known product made from concentrated salt water.

Garnet

Fuzzmom wrote:

concentrated drops? Um..where do you get them and what are they? I mean
what's the difference.
- Original Message - From: "Garnet" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax



I use Concentrace drops in the distilled drinking water that
I make myself.

Garnet

Fuzzmom wrote:

then how do you take it as a supplement/
- Original Message - From: "frankcuns-r...@comcast.net"

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax



Borax IS NOT safe to eat
Frank ND

Fuzzmom wrote:

Isn't borax a laundry soap is it safe to eat/

- Original Message -
*From:* Melly Bag 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:05 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>OT boron and borax

I use borax to wash my kitchen countertops and floor also in the
laundry as it is a good disinfectant - like chlorine.  Why don't
you just buy the supplement Boron.  There is a liquid supplement
of  silica with boron which i take by jarrows.

Melly

--- On *Tue, 9/29/09, Shirley Reed /mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com>>/* wrote:


From: Shirley Reed 
Subject: CS>OT boron and borax
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 3:01 PM

   Does anyone know of any negatives regarding the use of
borax as a dietary source of boron???  Have read that just 
one

joint of the index finger coated with borax and popped into
the mouth will give enough boron to suffice for daily needs.
Need confirmation as to this information.  tia  pj





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Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[Marshall Dudley]

The boric acid I am talking about is pure, a powder. For use in eyes you 
mix it with distilled water. The strength is nothing more than how much 
you dilute it.  According to this site 
http://www.ehow.com/way_5195536_boric-acid-eye-bath-recipe.html :


"The adult strength eye wash is made with 1 tsp. of boric acid in 1 cup 
of water 
. An 
eye wash for children  should contain 1/2 
to 2/3 tsp. boric acid per cup of water.


Buy medicinal grade boric acid powder at a pharmacy or online. Avoid the 
industrial grade powder used in pesticides. Use distilled water to make 
your eye bath so it won't be contaminated with the chemicals and 
pollutants often present in tap water."


Marshall


Melly Bag wrote:
Be careful with boric acid for eyes.  They come in different 
strengths.  My grandma had an eye surgery for cataracts and the nurse 
used a stronger boric acid than what doc ordered and she got  blind.  
Ask your eye doctor what strength  should be used for eyes.
 
Melly


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From: Clayton Family 
Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 12:10 PM

In addition, a boiled, saturated solution of boric acid in water
makes an effective remedy for pink eye. It used to be the MD's
remedy of choice in the 50's.  It may also be helpful for other
things.

I thought boric acid is much more potent than borax- so less would
be needed. Somebody could do the math on it.

Kathryn




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Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[Garnet]

It's also a lung irritant so try not to breathe it in.

Garnet

Sam L. wrote:
If you sprinkle (flour shifter works) borax on your carpet and let sit 
overnight it will kill the fleas, vacuum well the next day and repeat a 
few days later.
Might need to do this every week or two until you have it under control. 
Do not put it on your dogs. 


Sam L.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Fuzzmom > wrote:


It was..pretty much for everything but I didn't think it was still
the same...I thought it had undergone several changes since..aybe
ot? I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? i"ve tried
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am
allergic to them. A mom dog brought them with her when dropped off
and now the whole house has! Can you Bathe..diluted in it? And will
silver..or can silver..help with fleas? Worms..etc?

- Original Message -
*From:* Melly Bag 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:56 PM
*Subject:* Re: RE: CS>OT boron and borax

I thought that is the scientific name of boron, isn't it? If you
go to the 20 Mule website, it states that once  upon a time
before FDA rules were in place, their product was used for
health reasons.
 
Melly 


--- On *Tue, 9/29/09, Acmeair /mailto:res00...@verizon.net>>/* wrote:


From: Acmeair mailto:res00...@verizon.net>>
Subject: Re: RE: CS>OT boron and borax
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 4:38 PM

 
we went thru this situation a year or so ago. many

supporters of using "up to the first finger joint" for a
dose. you have peeked my interest, so i checked my "20 mule
team Borax" natural laundry booster.  a caution,   "contains
sodium tetraborate decahydrate", anyone know what that
is?jim


Sep 29, 2009 12:07:17 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com


wrote:

I use borax as a source for dietary boron and I know of
no negatives.
- Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com

]

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:01 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com


Subject: CS>OT boron and borax


Does anyone know of any negatives regarding the use of
borax as a
dietary source of boron??? Have read that just one joint
of the index
finger coated with borax and popped into the mouth will
give enough
boron to suffice for daily needs. Need confirmation as
to this
information. tia pj





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Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[Garnet]

Concentrace is a brand name. I bought it at the health food 
store. It's a

fairly well known product made from concentrated salt water.

Garnet

Fuzzmom wrote:
concentrated drops? Um..where do you get them and what are they? I mean 
what's the difference.

- Original Message - From: "Garnet" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax



I use Concentrace drops in the distilled drinking water that
I make myself.

Garnet

Fuzzmom wrote:

then how do you take it as a supplement/
- Original Message - From: "frankcuns-r...@comcast.net"

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax



Borax IS NOT safe to eat
Frank ND

Fuzzmom wrote:

Isn't borax a laundry soap is it safe to eat/

- Original Message -
*From:* Melly Bag 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:05 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>OT boron and borax

I use borax to wash my kitchen countertops and floor also in the
laundry as it is a good disinfectant - like chlorine.  Why don't
you just buy the supplement Boron.  There is a liquid supplement
of  silica with boron which i take by jarrows.

Melly

--- On *Tue, 9/29/09, Shirley Reed /mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com>>/* wrote:


From: Shirley Reed 
Subject: CS>OT boron and borax
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 3:01 PM

   Does anyone know of any negatives regarding the use of
borax as a dietary source of boron???  Have read that just one
joint of the index finger coated with borax and popped into
the mouth will give enough boron to suffice for daily needs.
Need confirmation as to this information.  tia  pj





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Re: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C

[Garnet]

Excellent page Doug, thank you!

And thank you for forwarding DB's info Roger!

Garnet

polo wrote:

You might check out my new webpage:

http://www.racehorseherbal.com/Infections/LET/let.html

I tried to summarize everything,

doug


- Original Message - From: "Garnet" 
To: "silver >> Siilver List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:21 PM
Subject: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C


Does anyone have a comprehensive document on how to make Liposomal Vit 
C that includes all aspects of the process. I would like to post it to 
a new LDN Forum where people are discussing using it but they are 
buying it.


I don't want to post a series of unintegrated emails if someone has a 
more recent collation of the methods.


Thanks,

Garnet



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Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[zoe w]

Good Point.
Perhaps the ACV is the best solution for you.
zoe


Fuzzmom wrote:

Um..and then who'd watch the dogs?

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*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:58 AM
*Subject:* Re: CS>OT boron and borax

Re: RE: CS>OT boron and borax

[cking001]

It might...
HHHAAA HoHOhoOhGawd,I'm killing myself

Chuck
NORMAL? That the setting I use on my washing machine...

On 9/30/2009 9:22:37 AM, Melly Bag (tita_...@yahoo.com) wrote:
> Kirsteen and others,
> 
> Would you know if this pennyroyal would also work for mites?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Melly
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Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[Fuzzmom]

Um..and then who'd watch the dogs? 
  - Original Message - 
  From: zoe w 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:58 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax


  I just spread the powder on the carpeting  and  dogs bedding   and left it 
there,   Next week did the same thing.Once  the fleas were gone  I swept it 
all up.   They never came back.

  If you are allergic  then  why not  stay with friends  until this job is 
finished?

  zoe

  Fuzzmom wrote: 
Please tell me how you get permanent riddence I am s allergic I can't 
sleep and the sprays dips etc do nothing. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: zoe w 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:27 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax


  Borax  does kill the fleas  but not the eggs  which is why you have to do 
it again  in a few days. Twice was all I needed to get permanent riddance.

  zoe

  Kirsteen Wright wrote: 


   I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? i"ve tried 
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am allergic 
to them.

I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for fleas. 
I don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you manage to get rid of 
them, it keeps them away. We used to regularly get flleas until i discovered 
it, as the cats would bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried 
pennyroyal on the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free. I'd 
also sprinkle some on the floors and then sweep it into the cracks in the 
floorboards (we had varnished floors).

I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and rub 
pennyroyal through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could literally see 
clouds of fleas leaping off it.  

good luck
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Re: RE: CS>OT boron and borax

[Fuzzmom]

ll in all if your friend is a herbalist then I'll tae her word over that of 
someone who just sells a product..a girl at one of those catalog for pets told 
me not to use it but I'll still check it out. 
  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:39 AM
  Subject: Re: RE: CS>OT boron and borax





  On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Fuzzmom  wrote:

Is pennyroyal ok for cats I heard it could ill thems o I avoided it. I know 
it's ok for dogs..cool where do you get it? 

  I've never heard that it's bad for cats but, if you've heard that, I would 
check it out before using it. I'd hate to be responsible for harming someone's 
pet. 

  I'm in the UK. i originally got it from a friend in Edinburgh who was a 
herbalist at the time. I know it can be difficult to get as it can be used to 
bring on an abortion. I did manage to get it later on from a local herbalist. I 
can't remember which one but it was either Neale's Yard or Napiers.

  Cheers
  Kirsteen 





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Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[Fuzzmom]

Oh thank you will get..need about a gallon of it..and i assume youmean the 
raw cloudy type? where would I find a large amount the small bottles are 
expensive. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Roger and Lisa Royal 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:48 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax


  We have suffered with fleas on my dog for the past 2 years.  I have tried all 
the natural remedies I could find like DE and garlic, but nothing worked.  The 
only thing that worked was Comfortis, a probably vile, monthly medication.  
FINALLY,  I read about apple cider vinegar being good for fleas.  I started 
putting a splash in his water (probably a 4 cup water bowl), and he has been 
flea free for several months now.  It has been a god send for us.  He doesn't 
seem to mind the taste either, thank goodness.  I am so happy to spread the 
word about this and hope it helps someone else!
- Original Message - 
From: Fuzzmom 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax


Please tell me how you get permanent riddence I am s allergic I can't 
sleep and the sprays dips etc do nothing. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: zoe w 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:27 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax


  Borax  does kill the fleas  but not the eggs  which is why you have to do 
it again  in a few days. Twice was all I needed to get permanent riddance.

  zoe

  Kirsteen Wright wrote: 


   I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? i"ve tried 
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am allergic 
to them.

I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for fleas. 
I don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you manage to get rid of 
them, it keeps them away. We used to regularly get flleas until i discovered 
it, as the cats would bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried 
pennyroyal on the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free. I'd 
also sprinkle some on the floors and then sweep it into the cracks in the 
floorboards (we had varnished floors).

I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and rub 
pennyroyal through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could literally see 
clouds of fleas leaping off it.  

good luck
Kirsteen







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Re: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C

[Dan Nave]

The automatic timer cycle is on the order or 2 to 3 minutes a cycle.

I believe that most people are processing their mixture from 6 to 10 minutes.

Dan

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Marshall Dudley  wrote:
> Roger Barker wrote:
>>
>> Here's the one Daddybob sent me a few weeks ago - hope it helps. There has
>> been some talk of adding the baking soda to the C before encapsulation. I
>> have tried this once and will certainly be giving it another go shortly.
>>
>> Cheers,  Roger B
>> NZ
>>
>> From several people who posted their methods in various forums, and my own
>> experience, here is my method:
>>
>> In a blender, 1 cup of distilled water + 3 level tablespoons of granular
>> soy
>> lecithin, blend well (in a blender) until no granules are visible, OR
>> shake
>> this in a jar or "Blender Bottle" until all is dissolved. Do not let it
>> set.
>>
>> Dissolve 1 tablespoon of C powder in ½ cup DW.
>>
>> Combine both in the UC, turn it on and stir it gently with a straw, not
>> touching the actual interior of the UC. Run it for 3 cycles.
>>
>
> How much time is a cycle? My ultrasonic cleaner lets you set the time, so I
> really have no idea how to convert "cycles" to the appropriate time. Also
> are there recommendations on which units work best. I recall that there was
> a discussion that some of them simply do not have the umph to be effective.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marshall
>
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Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[Melly Bag]

Be careful with boric acid for eyes.  They come in different strengths.  My 
grandma had an eye surgery for cataracts and the nurse used a stronger boric 
acid than what doc ordered and she got  blind.  Ask your eye doctor 
what strength  should be used for eyes.
 
Melly

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Clayton Family  wrote:


From: Clayton Family 
Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 12:10 PM


In addition, a boiled, saturated solution of boric acid in water makes an 
effective remedy for pink eye. It used to be the MD's remedy of choice in the 
50's.  It may also be helpful for other things.

I thought boric acid is much more potent than borax- so less would be needed. 
Somebody could do the math on it.

Kathryn

RE: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics

[Norton, Steve]

That is interesting. Thanks.
 - Steve N 

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:12 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics

You are correct that the body maintains the blood pH within a very
narrow range.  It really never gets out of range, the problem is the
problems the body creates for itself maintaining this pH.  It strips
calcium from the bones, it causes overload of the liver and kidneys
expelling the acid, and according to the book, it stashes acids away
into fat.  The book contends that much obesity is caused by the body
storing fat simply to be able to stash acids away in the fat.  That if
the body is not having to do this, it will burn the fat instead.  
Interesting theory at any rate.

Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:
> Marshall,
> The body alkalization theory has always escaped my understanding 
> except where an alkaline substance is injected into the bloodstream 
> just upstream of a tumor causing a localized change pH. The body does 
> an excellent job of controlling blood pH regardless of what is
ingested.
> Unless there is an excessive ingestion of acidic substances that 
> depletes the body's stores of alkalizing substances. Even pH in the 
> intestinal tract is fairly tightly controlled. Studies measuring pH 
> along the intestinal tract show surprising small variations of pH 
> regardless of whether acidic or alkaline substances are ingested.
> You can measure pH changes in urine or saliva but I think that is 
> because it is the body's way of releasing excessive amounts of acidic 
> or alkaline substances and controlling blood pH.
>
> That said, they have determined a link between low urine pH caused by 
> gout and insulin resistance. Treatment is to raise the urine pH and to

> treat the gout. Not sure how that all fits in with the book you have.
>  - Steve N
>
> -Original Message-
> From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:58 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics
>
> I think a better book would be "INFECTIOUS DIABETES" by Doug Kaufmann.
> Talk about food for thought! Going further, if diabetes is fungi based

> as is the book's premise, this would offer some basis for the use of 
> sodium chlorite for treating diabetes. My sparse experience with MMS 
> was with my dog that seemed to develop canine diabetes and I seemed to

> have reversed it with sodium chlorite. So far I am intrigued and
elated.
>
> doug
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:58 AM
> Subject: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics
>
>
>   
>> I ordered this book and it came yesterday.  It does have some 
>> interesting ideas.  However I am put off by his inaccurate or
>> 
> incomplete
>   
>> descriptions of some of the protocols he says to do.  For instance, I

>> was interested in the alkalinized water as a starting point. On page
>> 
> 68
>   
>> he says: "combine one quart of water with 16 drops of sodium 
>> chlorite..".  Now first of all sodium chlorite is a solid, not a
>> 
> liquid,
>   
>> so this seemed a rather odd way of expressing it.  So before
>> 
> converting
>   
>> drops to grams and trying it I did some figuring first.  That works
>> 
> out
>   
>> to be approximately 1 gram, and if you drink 4 quarts in a day, would

>> end up being 4 grams.  Having had experience with MMS, I knew that 
>> was
>> 
> a
>   
>> huge amount, about 20 times the maximum I was able to work up to in a

>> day, and over 100 times what I was able to initially take in a day 
>> without digestive problems.  So I checked the msds, and found that 
>> the lethal dosage is less than 4 times that amount.  The amount
>> 
> recommended
>   
>> would certainly put anyone in the hospital at best, and possibly kill

>> them at worst.
>>
>> So, I checked the index for sodium chlorite to see if he talks about
>> 
> it
>   
>> anywhere else, and found he once again mentions it on page 88   There
>> 
> he
>   
>> says to "add 16 drops per liter of 2 percent sodium chlorite
>> 
> solution".
>   
>> Ahh, now he has it right.  The first place I read his recommendation 
>> produced a concentration 50 times what he was really wanting.
>> Fortunately I had enough experience with this compound to realize 
>> that something was wrong with the first place he gives the 
>> information, but others may not be so fortunate.
>>
>> But now I am puzzled.  Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is truly highly 
>> alkaline.  But it breaks down into chlorious acid in the stomach,
>> 
> which
>   
>> then breaks down into NaCl and O2 eventually.  So how does this
>> 
> improve
>   
>> your body's pH? NaCl is plain old table salt.
>>
>> Marshall
>> 
>
>
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Re: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics

[Marshall Dudley]

You are correct that the body maintains the blood pH within a very 
narrow range.  It really never gets out of range, the problem is the 
problems the body creates for itself maintaining this pH.  It strips 
calcium from the bones, it causes overload of the liver and kidneys 
expelling the acid, and according to the book, it stashes acids away 
into fat.  The book contends that much obesity is caused by the body 
storing fat simply to be able to stash acids away in the fat.  That if 
the body is not having to do this, it will burn the fat instead.  
Interesting theory at any rate.


Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:

Marshall,
The body alkalization theory has always escaped my understanding except
where an alkaline substance is injected into the bloodstream just
upstream of a tumor causing a localized change pH. The body does an
excellent job of controlling blood pH regardless of what is ingested.
Unless there is an excessive ingestion of acidic substances that
depletes the body's stores of alkalizing substances. Even pH in the
intestinal tract is fairly tightly controlled. Studies measuring pH
along the intestinal tract show surprising small variations of pH
regardless of whether acidic or alkaline substances are ingested. 
You can measure pH changes in urine or saliva but I think that is

because it is the body's way of releasing excessive amounts of acidic or
alkaline substances and controlling blood pH.

That said, they have determined a link between low urine pH caused by
gout and insulin resistance. Treatment is to raise the urine pH and to
treat the gout. Not sure how that all fits in with the book you have.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:58 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics

I think a better book would be "INFECTIOUS DIABETES" by Doug Kaufmann.
Talk about food for thought! Going further, if diabetes is fungi based
as is the book's premise, this would offer some basis for the use of
sodium chlorite for treating diabetes. My sparse experience with MMS was
with my dog that seemed to develop canine diabetes and I seemed to have
reversed it with sodium chlorite. So far I am intrigued and elated.

doug


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics


  

I ordered this book and it came yesterday.  It does have some
interesting ideas.  However I am put off by his inaccurate or


incomplete
  

descriptions of some of the protocols he says to do.  For instance, I
was interested in the alkalinized water as a starting point. On page


68
  

he says: "combine one quart of water with 16 drops of sodium
chlorite..".  Now first of all sodium chlorite is a solid, not a


liquid,
  

so this seemed a rather odd way of expressing it.  So before


converting
  

drops to grams and trying it I did some figuring first.  That works


out
  

to be approximately 1 gram, and if you drink 4 quarts in a day, would
end up being 4 grams.  Having had experience with MMS, I knew that was


a
  

huge amount, about 20 times the maximum I was able to work up to in a
day, and over 100 times what I was able to initially take in a day
without digestive problems.  So I checked the msds, and found that the
lethal dosage is less than 4 times that amount.  The amount


recommended
  

would certainly put anyone in the hospital at best, and possibly kill
them at worst.

So, I checked the index for sodium chlorite to see if he talks about


it
  

anywhere else, and found he once again mentions it on page 88   There


he
  

says to "add 16 drops per liter of 2 percent sodium chlorite


solution".
  

Ahh, now he has it right.  The first place I read his recommendation
produced a concentration 50 times what he was really wanting.
Fortunately I had enough experience with this compound to realize that
something was wrong with the first place he gives the information, but
others may not be so fortunate.

But now I am puzzled.  Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is truly highly
alkaline.  But it breaks down into chlorious acid in the stomach,


which
  

then breaks down into NaCl and O2 eventually.  So how does this


improve
  

your body's pH? NaCl is plain old table salt.

Marshall




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Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[Clayton Family]

In addition, a boiled, saturated solution of boric acid in water makes  
an effective remedy for pink eye. It used to be the MD's remedy of  
choice in the 50's.  It may also be helpful for other things.


I thought boric acid is much more potent than borax- so less would be  
needed. Somebody could do the math on it.


Kathryn

On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:

For those who want an inexpensive "finger dip" dosage of boron, and  
are wary of any impurities that may be in borax, you can get USP  
boric acid from most pharmacies which is an inexpensive very very  
pure source of boron.


Marshall

frankcuns-r...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi List Borax is an industrial chemical which contains boron as  
well as a collection of allowable impurities. If you enjoy eating  
them, go ahead.

Frank Chemist, ND

Fuzzmom wrote:
Is pennyroyal ok for cats I heard it could ill thems o I avoided  
it. I know it's ok for dogs..cool where do you get it?


   - Original Message -
   *From:* Kirsteen Wright 
   *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
   *Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:21 AM
   *Subject:* Re: RE: CS>OT boron and borax


I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? i"ve tried
   Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast
   and i am allergic to them.


   I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for
   fleas. I don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you
   manage to get rid of them, it keeps them away. We used to
   regularly get flleas until i discovered it, as the cats would
   bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried pennyroyal
   on the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free.
   I'd also sprinkle some on the floors and then sweep it into the
   cracks in the floorboards (we had varnished floors).

   I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and  
rub

   pennyroyal through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could
   literally see clouds of fleas leaping off it.
   good luck
   Kirsteen


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Re: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics

[Marshall Dudley]

Although the pH aspect of it made no sense to me, what you say does make 
good sense.  I think I will give it a try.  Hmm, I guess 15 drops of 2% 
would be equivalent to about 1 drop of 28% MMS, which I have on hand.


Marshall

polo wrote:
I think a better book would be "INFECTIOUS DIABETES" by Doug Kaufmann. 
Talk about food for thought! Going further, if diabetes is fungi based 
as is the book's premise, this would offer some basis for the use of 
sodium chlorite for treating diabetes. My sparse experience with MMS 
was with my dog that seemed to develop canine diabetes and I seemed to 
have reversed it with sodium chlorite. So far I am intrigued and elated.


doug




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Re: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C

[Dave Darrin]

Here is the link to non soy powdered lecithin.
http://www.austradeinc.com/non-soy-lecithin-powder.html

Dave



On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Garnet  wrote:

> Does anyone have a comprehensive document on how to make Liposomal Vit C
> that includes all aspects of the process. I would like to post it to a new
> LDN Forum where people are discussing using it but they are buying it.
>
> I don't want to post a series of unintegrated emails if someone has a more
> recent collation of the methods.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Garnet
>
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RE: CS>OT boron / PURE SOURCE

[dingyung49]

 
 Does USP boric acid we can get from drug store shelf or we need to ask 
pharmacist to make for us?  What USP boric acid general use for?  I am totally 
no science background.  thanks.  Helen
--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Nenah Sylver  wrote:


From: Nenah Sylver 
Subject: RE: CS>OT boron / PURE SOURCE
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 8:51 AM








[ Marshall ]  For those who want an inexpensive "finger dip" dosage of boron, 
and are wary of any impurities that may be in borax, you can get USP boric acid 
from most pharmacies which is an inexpensive very very pure source of boron.
 
===
Thanks Marshall ! This is valuable information. Boron supplements are quite 
expensive, and this may be a good alternative.
 
Nenah 
 
Nenah Sylver, PhD
author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),
now available in HARDCOVER
& The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
www.nenahsylver.com
 
 

RE: CS>OT boron / PURE SOURCE

[Nenah Sylver]

[Marshall]  For those who want an inexpensive "finger dip" dosage of boron,
and are wary of any impurities that may be in borax, you can get USP boric
acid from most pharmacies which is an inexpensive very very pure source of
boron.

 

===

Thanks Marshall! This is valuable information. Boron supplements are quite
expensive, and this may be a good alternative.

 

Nenah 

 

Nenah Sylver, PhD

author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),

now available in HARDCOVER

& The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

www.nenahsylver.com  

 

 

Re: CS>Snails and moles

[Marshall Dudley]

If you are over 21, you can put glasses of beer outside and they will be 
attracted to them, drink the beer, get drunk, fall in and drown.


Marshall

Jayson wrote:

Can anyone tell me if they have any non-toxic ways of getting rid of both of
 these garden pests! My girl friend has cats they like to lay any where, and
 every where. And I don't like the idea of poison in my food from residues
 that might up-take into, or get on our veggies. Thanks for any idea's that
 might help with these two problems we are dealing with! 



  



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Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[Marshall Dudley]

For those who want an inexpensive "finger dip" dosage of boron, and are 
wary of any impurities that may be in borax, you can get USP boric acid 
from most pharmacies which is an inexpensive very very pure source of boron.


Marshall

frankcuns-r...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi List Borax is an industrial chemical which contains boron as well 
as a collection of allowable impurities. If you enjoy eating them, go 
ahead.

Frank Chemist, ND

Fuzzmom wrote:
Is pennyroyal ok for cats I heard it could ill thems o I avoided it. 
I know it's ok for dogs..cool where do you get it?


- Original Message -
*From:* Kirsteen Wright 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:21 AM
*Subject:* Re: RE: CS>OT boron and borax


 I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? i"ve tried
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast
and i am allergic to them.


I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for
fleas. I don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you
manage to get rid of them, it keeps them away. We used to
regularly get flleas until i discovered it, as the cats would
bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried pennyroyal
on the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free.
I'd also sprinkle some on the floors and then sweep it into the
cracks in the floorboards (we had varnished floors).

I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and rub
pennyroyal through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could
literally see clouds of fleas leaping off it.
good luck
Kirsteen


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Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[Marshall Dudley]

Directly, that is correct. It can kill other things though by killing 
the flora it needs for digestion. I found that out the hard way by 
having it tested on honeybees.


Marshall

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

Silver cannot kill anything other than a single celled organism.  dee

On 30 Sep 2009, at 08:48, Fuzzmom wrote:

It was..pretty much for everything but I didn't think it was still 
the same...I thought it had undergone several changes since..aybe ot? 
I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? i"ve tried 
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am 
allergic to them. A mom dog brought them with her when dropped off 
and now the whole house has! Can you Bathe..diluted in it? And will 
silver..or can silver..help with fleas? Worms..etc?


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RE: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics

[Norton, Steve]

Marshall,
The body alkalization theory has always escaped my understanding except
where an alkaline substance is injected into the bloodstream just
upstream of a tumor causing a localized change pH. The body does an
excellent job of controlling blood pH regardless of what is ingested.
Unless there is an excessive ingestion of acidic substances that
depletes the body's stores of alkalizing substances. Even pH in the
intestinal tract is fairly tightly controlled. Studies measuring pH
along the intestinal tract show surprising small variations of pH
regardless of whether acidic or alkaline substances are ingested. 
You can measure pH changes in urine or saliva but I think that is
because it is the body's way of releasing excessive amounts of acidic or
alkaline substances and controlling blood pH.

That said, they have determined a link between low urine pH caused by
gout and insulin resistance. Treatment is to raise the urine pH and to
treat the gout. Not sure how that all fits in with the book you have.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:58 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics

I think a better book would be "INFECTIOUS DIABETES" by Doug Kaufmann.
Talk about food for thought! Going further, if diabetes is fungi based
as is the book's premise, this would offer some basis for the use of
sodium chlorite for treating diabetes. My sparse experience with MMS was
with my dog that seemed to develop canine diabetes and I seemed to have
reversed it with sodium chlorite. So far I am intrigued and elated.

doug


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics


>I ordered this book and it came yesterday.  It does have some
> interesting ideas.  However I am put off by his inaccurate or
incomplete
> descriptions of some of the protocols he says to do.  For instance, I
> was interested in the alkalinized water as a starting point. On page
68
> he says: "combine one quart of water with 16 drops of sodium
> chlorite..".  Now first of all sodium chlorite is a solid, not a
liquid,
> so this seemed a rather odd way of expressing it.  So before
converting
> drops to grams and trying it I did some figuring first.  That works
out
> to be approximately 1 gram, and if you drink 4 quarts in a day, would
> end up being 4 grams.  Having had experience with MMS, I knew that was
a
> huge amount, about 20 times the maximum I was able to work up to in a
> day, and over 100 times what I was able to initially take in a day
> without digestive problems.  So I checked the msds, and found that the
> lethal dosage is less than 4 times that amount.  The amount
recommended
> would certainly put anyone in the hospital at best, and possibly kill
> them at worst.
>
> So, I checked the index for sodium chlorite to see if he talks about
it
> anywhere else, and found he once again mentions it on page 88   There
he
> says to "add 16 drops per liter of 2 percent sodium chlorite
solution".
> Ahh, now he has it right.  The first place I read his recommendation
> produced a concentration 50 times what he was really wanting.
> Fortunately I had enough experience with this compound to realize that
> something was wrong with the first place he gives the information, but
> others may not be so fortunate.
>
> But now I am puzzled.  Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is truly highly
> alkaline.  But it breaks down into chlorious acid in the stomach,
which
> then breaks down into NaCl and O2 eventually.  So how does this
improve
> your body's pH? NaCl is plain old table salt.
>
> Marshall


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Re: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C

[Marshall Dudley]

Roger Barker wrote:
Here's the one Daddybob sent me a few weeks ago - hope it helps. There 
has been some talk of adding the baking soda to the C before 
encapsulation. I have tried this once and will certainly be giving it 
another go shortly.


Cheers,  Roger B
NZ

From several people who posted their methods in various forums, and my own
experience, here is my method:

In a blender, 1 cup of distilled water + 3 level tablespoons of 
granular soy
lecithin, blend well (in a blender) until no granules are visible, OR 
shake
this in a jar or "Blender Bottle" until all is dissolved. Do not let 
it set.


Dissolve 1 tablespoon of C powder in ½ cup DW.

Combine both in the UC, turn it on and stir it gently with a straw, not
touching the actual interior of the UC. Run it for 3 cycles.



How much time is a cycle? My ultrasonic cleaner lets you set the time, 
so I really have no idea how to convert "cycles" to the appropriate 
time. Also are there recommendations on which units work best. I recall 
that there was a discussion that some of them simply do not have the 
umph to be effective.


Thanks,

Marshall


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Re: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C

[Del at Dri-Wash]

Ok,

I have made two batches of liposomal absorbate using slight variation.I 
use the basic recipe below but add two oz. of DW in which I have dissolved 
the 3/4 tsp. of bob's baking soda.   I then slowly pour the baking soda/DW 
solution SLOWLY into the Vitamin C / DW solution.There really isn't much 
bubbling.   Then I combine with the dissolved lecithin solution in the 
blender and give about a 3 second blend before pouring into the ulta-sonic 
unit.


My belief is it results in the baking soda being encapsulated as well so (in 
theory) it will join the Vitamin C in the blood stream.   Would sure like 
Brooks or someone equally as adept to confirm this theory.   The process 
does make a good blend and absolutely no separation.


Del

- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:55 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C


Not pretending to be any expert at this, and giving credit where it's due to
Brooks, Chuck and Del, here's an update to my own instructions that I used
again just yesterday:



UC: Ultrasonic cleaner (jewelry cleaner) I use the small cheap one from
Harbor Freight.

Any water for such a project, distilled or not, I always treat it with a
Blue Stirwand.

http://www.quantumbalancing.com/stirwand.htm

I am presently using NOW granular soy lecithin. Lewis Labs also makes it. No
one has yet shown me another non-soy granular lecithin that will work. If
anyone finds it, I'd love to know about it. Liquid lecithin will not work
because of oil in it.

I use non-GMO, non corn L-Ascorbic Acid from www.vitamincfoundation.org .


In a blender, 1 cup of distilled water + 3 level tablespoons of granular soy
lecithin, blend well until no granules are visible, OR shake this in a jar
or "Blender Bottle" until dissolved. Do not let it set.

Dissolve 1 tablespoon of C powder in ½ cup DW. (alternative- add 1 teaspoon
sodium bicarbonate and let it fizz and dissolve to make 2/3 Sodium Ascorbate
for encapsulation)

Combine both in the UC, turn it on and stir it gently with a straw, not
touching the actual interior of the UC. Run it for 3 cycles.

Pour it out of the UC into a half gallon pitcher for the next step.

(Drop this next step if you made sodium ascorbate previously)
Add ¾ teaspoon of baking soda to the 3 ounces of DW and stir or shake a bit.
Add this to the mix in the pitcher.
It will foam a lot. Let the head go down before decanting into the final
container.

Refrigerate.


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Re: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C

[Marshall Dudley]

This is needed very much.  If someone wants to put one together, I will 
be happy to post it to a website where anyone can easily access it.


Marshall

Garnet wrote:
Does anyone have a comprehensive document on how to make Liposomal Vit 
C that includes all aspects of the process. I would like to post it to 
a new LDN Forum where people are discussing using it but they are 
buying it.


I don't want to post a series of unintegrated emails if someone has a 
more recent collation of the methods.


Thanks,

Garnet


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Re: CS>Snails and moles

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Sounds a bit cruel though, at least with the beer, they die happy!  dee

On 30 Sep 2009, at 15:36, Melly Bag wrote:

In the Philippines people apply course sea salt.  This is how to do  
it, take the snail and sprinkle salt inside the shell, you will see  
later water oozing out that is because the snail seems to melt. It  
will kill it. Alternatively, if there are many of them, gather them  
and  dump them in a basin filled with water with lots of sea salt.  
They also die this way.


Melly

Re: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C

[polo]

Good idea, thanks

d


- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C




Polo,
DaddyBob points out an important step if you want the best encapsulation 
success:


"... blend well until no granules are visible, OR shake this in a jar or 
"Blender Bottle" until dissolved. Do not let it set."


Use of a blender or shaker dramatically improves the process. I would 
recommend it be added to your description.

Regards,
Steve N



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RE: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C

[Norton, Steve]

 
Polo,
DaddyBob points out an important step if you want the best encapsulation 
success:

"... blend well until no granules are visible, OR shake this in a jar or 
"Blender Bottle" until dissolved. Do not let it set."

Use of a blender or shaker dramatically improves the process. I would recommend 
it be added to your description.
Regards,
 Steve N

-Original Message-
From: rans...@atmc.net [mailto:rans...@atmc.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:56 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C

Not pretending to be any expert at this, and giving credit where it's due to 
Brooks, Chuck and Del, here's an update to my own instructions that I used 
again just yesterday:



UC: Ultrasonic cleaner (jewelry cleaner) I use the small cheap one from Harbor 
Freight.

Any water for such a project, distilled or not, I always treat it with a Blue 
Stirwand.

http://www.quantumbalancing.com/stirwand.htm

I am presently using NOW granular soy lecithin. Lewis Labs also makes it. No 
one has yet shown me another non-soy granular lecithin that will work. If 
anyone finds it, I'd love to know about it. Liquid lecithin will not work 
because of oil in it.

I use non-GMO, non corn L-Ascorbic Acid from www.vitamincfoundation.org .


In a blender, 1 cup of distilled water + 3 level tablespoons of granular soy 
lecithin, blend well until no granules are visible, OR shake this in a jar or 
"Blender Bottle" until dissolved. Do not let it set.

Dissolve 1 tablespoon of C powder in ½ cup DW. (alternative- add 1 teaspoon 
sodium bicarbonate and let it fizz and dissolve to make 2/3 Sodium Ascorbate 
for encapsulation)

Combine both in the UC, turn it on and stir it gently with a straw, not 
touching the actual interior of the UC. Run it for 3 cycles. 

Pour it out of the UC into a half gallon pitcher for the next step.

(Drop this next step if you made sodium ascorbate previously) Add ¾ teaspoon of 
baking soda to the 3 ounces of DW and stir or shake a bit.
Add this to the mix in the pitcher.
It will foam a lot. Let the head go down before decanting into the final 
container.

Refrigerate.


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Re: CS>Snails and moles

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

For slugs and snails put out shallow containers with straight sides  
full of cheap beer.  We got rid of three hundred of them this way (we  
counted) and they just love it!  dee


On 30 Sep 2009, at 14:22, Jayson wrote:

Can anyone tell me if they have any non-toxic ways of getting rid of  
both of these garden pests! My girl friend has cats they like to lay  
any where, and every where. And I don't like the idea of poison in  
my food from residues that might up-take into, or get on our  
veggies. Thanks for any idea's that might help with these two  
problems we are dealing with!






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Re: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics

[polo]

I think a better book would be "INFECTIOUS DIABETES" by Doug Kaufmann. Talk 
about food for thought! Going further, if diabetes is fungi based as is the 
book's premise, this would offer some basis for the use of sodium chlorite 
for treating diabetes. My sparse experience with MMS was with my dog that 
seemed to develop canine diabetes and I seemed to have reversed it with 
sodium chlorite. So far I am intrigued and elated.


doug


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: CS>The pH miracle for diabetics



I ordered this book and it came yesterday.  It does have some
interesting ideas.  However I am put off by his inaccurate or incomplete
descriptions of some of the protocols he says to do.  For instance, I
was interested in the alkalinized water as a starting point. On page 68
he says: "combine one quart of water with 16 drops of sodium
chlorite..".  Now first of all sodium chlorite is a solid, not a liquid,
so this seemed a rather odd way of expressing it.  So before converting
drops to grams and trying it I did some figuring first.  That works out
to be approximately 1 gram, and if you drink 4 quarts in a day, would
end up being 4 grams.  Having had experience with MMS, I knew that was a
huge amount, about 20 times the maximum I was able to work up to in a
day, and over 100 times what I was able to initially take in a day
without digestive problems.  So I checked the msds, and found that the
lethal dosage is less than 4 times that amount.  The amount recommended
would certainly put anyone in the hospital at best, and possibly kill
them at worst.

So, I checked the index for sodium chlorite to see if he talks about it
anywhere else, and found he once again mentions it on page 88   There he
says to "add 16 drops per liter of 2 percent sodium chlorite solution".
Ahh, now he has it right.  The first place I read his recommendation
produced a concentration 50 times what he was really wanting.
Fortunately I had enough experience with this compound to realize that
something was wrong with the first place he gives the information, but
others may not be so fortunate.

But now I am puzzled.  Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is truly highly
alkaline.  But it breaks down into chlorious acid in the stomach, which
then breaks down into NaCl and O2 eventually.  So how does this improve
your body's pH? NaCl is plain old table salt.

Marshall



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RE: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C

[ransley]

Not pretending to be any expert at this, and giving credit where it's due to
Brooks, Chuck and Del, here's an update to my own instructions that I used
again just yesterday:



UC: Ultrasonic cleaner (jewelry cleaner) I use the small cheap one from
Harbor Freight.

Any water for such a project, distilled or not, I always treat it with a
Blue Stirwand.

http://www.quantumbalancing.com/stirwand.htm

I am presently using NOW granular soy lecithin. Lewis Labs also makes it. No
one has yet shown me another non-soy granular lecithin that will work. If
anyone finds it, I’d love to know about it. Liquid lecithin will not work
because of oil in it.

I use non-GMO, non corn L-Ascorbic Acid from www.vitamincfoundation.org .


In a blender, 1 cup of distilled water + 3 level tablespoons of granular soy
lecithin, blend well until no granules are visible, OR shake this in a jar
or “Blender Bottle” until dissolved. Do not let it set.

Dissolve 1 tablespoon of C powder in ½ cup DW. (alternative- add 1 teaspoon
sodium bicarbonate and let it fizz and dissolve to make 2/3 Sodium Ascorbate
for encapsulation)

Combine both in the UC, turn it on and stir it gently with a straw, not
touching the actual interior of the UC. Run it for 3 cycles. 

Pour it out of the UC into a half gallon pitcher for the next step.

(Drop this next step if you made sodium ascorbate previously)
Add ¾ teaspoon of baking soda to the 3 ounces of DW and stir or shake a bit.
Add this to the mix in the pitcher.
It will foam a lot. Let the head go down before decanting into the final
container.

Refrigerate.


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RE: CS>OT boron and borax

[ransley]

 
>Does anyone know of any negatives regarding the use of borax as a dietary
source of boron???  Have read that just one joint of the index finger coated
with borax and popped into the mouth will give enough boron to suffice for
daily needs.  Need confirmation as to this information.  tia  pj<

I've done it for a few years now, no negatives particular to the borax and
finger method, except this- I did three different methods to the edge of
excess just to see what would happen. I separately did the finger in the
borax, took a boron supp, and drank a lot of Bragg vinegar (organic apples
are rich in boron). All three, to excess, gave a "funny feeling" after about
2 weeks. Boron is not something to overdo, a little goes a long way. The
borax method is my favorite. DaddyBob


  




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Re: CS>Snails and moles

[Clayton Family]

We are coffee drinkers, and this summer my husband applied all our  
used grounds to the hosta beds, since we were having slug problems.  
They really don't seem to like the coffee grounds. Can't be fun to  
crawl over either.



On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Dan Nave wrote:


Slugs are repelled by caffeine.  I would suspect snails are too. You
could try sprinkling coffee grounds around (or spray Mountain Dew?).

Dan

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Jayson   
wrote:
Can anyone tell me if they have any non-toxic ways of getting rid  
of both of these garden pests! My girl friend has cats they like to  
lay any where, and every where. And I don't like the idea of poison  
in my food from residues that might up-take into, or get on our  
veggies. Thanks for any idea's that might help with these two  
problems we are dealing with!






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Re: CS>OT boron and borax

[Roger and Lisa Royal]

We have suffered with fleas on my dog for the past 2 years.  I have tried all 
the natural remedies I could find like DE and garlic, but nothing worked.  The 
only thing that worked was Comfortis, a probably vile, monthly medication.  
FINALLY,  I read about apple cider vinegar being good for fleas.  I started 
putting a splash in his water (probably a 4 cup water bowl), and he has been 
flea free for several months now.  It has been a god send for us.  He doesn't 
seem to mind the taste either, thank goodness.  I am so happy to spread the 
word about this and hope it helps someone else!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Fuzzmom 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:53 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax


  Please tell me how you get permanent riddence I am s allergic I can't 
sleep and the sprays dips etc do nothing. 
- Original Message - 
From: zoe w 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: CS>OT boron and borax


Borax  does kill the fleas  but not the eggs  which is why you have to do 
it again  in a few days. Twice was all I needed to get permanent riddance.

zoe

Kirsteen Wright wrote: 


 I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? i"ve tried 
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am allergic 
to them.

  I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for fleas. I 
don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you manage to get rid of them, 
it keeps them away. We used to regularly get flleas until i discovered it, as 
the cats would bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried pennyroyal 
on the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free. I'd also 
sprinkle some on the floors and then sweep it into the cracks in the 
floorboards (we had varnished floors).

  I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and rub 
pennyroyal through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could literally see 
clouds of fleas leaping off it.  

  good luck
  Kirsteen











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Re: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C

[polo]

My pleasure! May I thank Brooks Bradley for his kindness in sharing his 
information, and I am only trying to distribute his information further.  I 
hope I did him justice.


doug


- Original Message - 
From: "Sandy" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Liposomal Vitamin C



Doug...

Thank you very much for putting this LET info in one place. Now we can 
easily send people to your site to get all the ins and outs of what they 
need to know to make LET vit. C.


Greatly appreciated!

Sandy



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Re: CS>Snails and moles

[Melly Bag]

In the Philippines people apply course sea salt.  This is how to do it, take 
the snail and sprinkle salt inside the shell, you will see later water oozing 
out that is because the snail seems to melt. It will kill it. Alternatively, if 
there are many of them, gather them and  dump them in a basin filled with water 
with lots of sea salt. They also die this way.   
 
Melly

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Jayson  wrote:


From: Jayson 
Subject: CS>Snails and moles
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 9:22 AM


Can anyone tell me if they have any non-toxic ways of getting rid of both of 
these garden pests! My girl friend has cats they like to lay any where, and 
every where. And I don't like the idea of poison in my food from residues that 
might up-take into, or get on our veggies. Thanks for any idea's that might 
help with these two problems we are dealing with! 


      


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Re: CS>Snails and moles

[Dan Nave]

Slugs are repelled by caffeine.  I would suspect snails are too. You
could try sprinkling coffee grounds around (or spray Mountain Dew?).

Dan

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Jayson  wrote:
> Can anyone tell me if they have any non-toxic ways of getting rid of both of 
> these garden pests! My girl friend has cats they like to lay any where, and 
> every where. And I don't like the idea of poison in my food from residues 
> that might up-take into, or get on our veggies. Thanks for any idea's that 
> might help with these two problems we are dealing with!
>
>
>
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CS>The pH miracle for diabetics

[Marshall Dudley]

I ordered this book and it came yesterday.  It does have some 
interesting ideas.  However I am put off by his inaccurate or incomplete 
descriptions of some of the protocols he says to do.  For instance, I 
was interested in the alkalinized water as a starting point. On page 68 
he says: "combine one quart of water with 16 drops of sodium 
chlorite..".  Now first of all sodium chlorite is a solid, not a liquid, 
so this seemed a rather odd way of expressing it.  So before converting 
drops to grams and trying it I did some figuring first.  That works out 
to be approximately 1 gram, and if you drink 4 quarts in a day, would 
end up being 4 grams.  Having had experience with MMS, I knew that was a 
huge amount, about 20 times the maximum I was able to work up to in a 
day, and over 100 times what I was able to initially take in a day 
without digestive problems.  So I checked the msds, and found that the 
lethal dosage is less than 4 times that amount.  The amount recommended 
would certainly put anyone in the hospital at best, and possibly kill 
them at worst.


So, I checked the index for sodium chlorite to see if he talks about it 
anywhere else, and found he once again mentions it on page 88   There he 
says to "add 16 drops per liter of 2 percent sodium chlorite solution". 
Ahh, now he has it right.  The first place I read his recommendation 
produced a concentration 50 times what he was really wanting.  
Fortunately I had enough experience with this compound to realize that 
something was wrong with the first place he gives the information, but 
others may not be so fortunate.


But now I am puzzled.  Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is truly highly 
alkaline.  But it breaks down into chlorious acid in the stomach, which 
then breaks down into NaCl and O2 eventually.  So how does this improve 
your body's pH? NaCl is plain old table salt.


Marshall


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