Re: CSColloidal Silver Eliminating Anthrax and Malaria
I heard Dr. Gordon in an interview say he knew of work that showed disappointing results with CS and malaria. But then there is also ALBs brands (ASAP, etc) which they wrote a paper where 54 out of 54 malaria cases in Africa recovered in a handful of days. They are HVAC process - mostly particles. I didnt watch the video, but can someone tell us whether or not they are talking about ABL products? David On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Sara Mandal-Joy smjl...@wavewls.comwrote: I'm not set up for watching youtube on this system (computer doesn't belong to me). but I contracted malaria in Papua New Guinea, where I was born - my dad was a missionary there. Anyways, I had recurrent shakes, episodes where I was freezing and shaking, throughout my life. Never knew what it was, till I tried to give blood, and they told me I couldn't due to malaria. Since I began using cs regularly I have never had the shakes again. So it seems likely there is something to this... Sara Colloidal Silver Eliminating Anthrax and Malaria - 1/2 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JongSudd0uc - Colloidal Silver Eliminating Anthrax and Malaria - 2/2 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKpfcuK0BAo
Re: CSAre Silver Nanoparticles Harmful (Science Daily article)
The particles that appear in our home brews some here would say are not metallic silver but are clumps of silver compounds like AgOH. They just are not the same thing. David 2012/3/16 André Juthe andre.ju...@gmail.com What is LVDC particles? The article talk about silver nano particles, are those metallic silver? /André 2012/3/16 David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com: Seeing as how LVDC particles arent metallic silver anyway, this does seem not apply. But perhaps there is relevance to other types of silver products? On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: No mention of concentration; in vivio with weird cells to start. From that info, I deduce that you should remove your scotum and soak your cancerous testicles in large-particle Ag sols of unknown concentration. On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:28 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Someone needs to get the full text and see what concentrations of nanoparticles they are talking about. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAre Silver Nanoparticles Harmful (Science Daily article)
Roughly 5 to 20% of the silver ends up in particles actually. 2012/3/16 André Juthe andre.ju...@gmail.com But most brews are simply ionic silver solutions, you make it via electrolysis i distilled water. 2012/3/16 David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com: The particles that appear in our home brews some here would say are not metallic silver but are clumps of silver compounds like AgOH. They just are not the same thing. David 2012/3/16 André Juthe andre.ju...@gmail.com What is LVDC particles? The article talk about silver nano particles, are those metallic silver? /André 2012/3/16 David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com: Seeing as how LVDC particles arent metallic silver anyway, this does seem not apply. But perhaps there is relevance to other types of silver products? On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: No mention of concentration; in vivio with weird cells to start. From that info, I deduce that you should remove your scotum and soak your cancerous testicles in large-particle Ag sols of unknown concentration. On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:28 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Someone needs to get the full text and see what concentrations of nanoparticles they are talking about. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAre Silver Nanoparticles Harmful (Science Daily article)
100 micrograms per ml is the same as 100,000 micrograms per liter, is the same as 100mg per liter, is the same as 100PPM. That is higher than will ever be reached in the body. But the last chart writes a concentration as low os 12.5micrograms per ml, which is 12.5PPM. This is also not really attainable in the body. But it would be nice to be able to access the graphs and see them closely. Also note that the footnotes on the graphs refer to Ag2O nanoparticles...not metallic silver. Is there any of that in LVDC brew? David 2012/3/16 André Juthe andre.ju...@gmail.com 100 μg ml−1 NPs for 24 h http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0300483X11004616 /André 2012/3/16 David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com: Someone needs to get the full text and see what concentrations of nanoparticles they are talking about. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSusing magnets to make high density EIS?
Can one use a magnet to make silver ions conregate on one side of a jar, and then suck of water from the other side of the jar with a syringe? Could this leave the remaining solution with a higher ion concentration? David
Re: CSusing magnets to make high density EIS?
Ph waiot, silver is not magnetic is it? Is their any analogous concept one can think of to make silver ions migrate to one side of a jar? On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: Can one use a magnet to make silver ions conregate on one side of a jar, and then suck of water from the other side of the jar with a syringe? Could this leave the remaining solution with a higher ion concentration? David
Re: CSmagnetized water study: implications with CS?
Thanks for the useless information. No sarcasm intended.
David
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote:
I vortexed water through 2 microwave electron magnets 'X' number of times
c/wise and anticlockwise before brewing several batches and didn't notice
any difference with regard to the standard observations I do, such as meter
readings {both uS and tds}, production time, monitoring of readings until
stabilisation, temperature and coloration of water while in storage.
Unfortunately I haven't lab facilities so couldn't test for pH or anything
else, so based simply on the above, I didn't notice anything different on
the face of it, nor did I notice anything to my person upon consumption of
my daily ritual in all those batches.
However, I don't know if the hole in the centre of the magnet has a north
and south pole, I believe it does when I tried to get metal to stick to the
centre, but then I'm no scientist or magnet expert so it could be the field
surrounding the faces of the magnet that made the metal stick g.
Pretty useless information I know, but at least I know there is nothing
different on the face of it.
N.
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:44:47 -0700
From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSmagnetized water study: implications with CS?
Just happened to stumble on this...magnetized water studied to increase
rate at
which acidic waste is excreted. (i.e. urine pH measurably decreases)
http://greenmagnetfoundation.org/abstracts_of_magnetized_water
Can be implemented for the cost of a $25 magnet
http://www.biomagscience.net/magnet-therapy/water-jar-energizers
This might be a better approach than others for those interested in
alkalizing, as it is
cheap, easy, harmless, and allows your own body to regulate the pH for
you.
Perhaps it has other properties worth discussing. For example,
placing herbal drops in magnetized water might more it more
bioavailable? Or could it be
useful to brew CS in magnetized water? Or magnetize after the CS is
already brewed? Any experience here?
This can also be used a one of many natural approaches to reverse kidney
failure discussed earlier on this list. It does the same thing the
bicarb supplementation does, but from the other end.
David
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CSHow long does a plain single 9V setup take to brew?
I am helping someone in India who I got to buy this unit: http://alchemist.co/ (scroll down to the super silver option) This is the only reasonable unit for sale that I have located in all of India, btw. It appears to be a single 9 volt with no resistor. Supplements plus this CS appears to be reversing the person's otherwise terminal cancer. But I need to have a better sense of how long it would take to brew say 15PPM with this unit. My guess is 45 minutes, total, wiping the electrodes every now and then? The guy who sells it seems to be unreachable at the moment. Thanks, David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmagnetized water study: implications with CS?
Oh wait! I meant to say Sarcasm INTENDED. Haha, brain fog.
David
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote:
That's cool. It was 4 magnets too, not 2, I'd better get it right g.
N.
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:37:07 -0700
Subject: Re: CSmagnetized water study: implications with CS?
From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Thanks for the useless information. No sarcasm intended.
David
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com
wrote:
I vortexed water through 2 microwave electron magnets 'X' number of
times
c/wise and anticlockwise before brewing several batches and didn't
notice
any difference with regard to the standard observations I do, such as
meter
readings {both uS and tds}, production time, monitoring of readings
until
stabilisation, temperature and coloration of water while in storage.
Unfortunately I haven't lab facilities so couldn't test for pH or
anything
else, so based simply on the above, I didn't notice anything different
on
the face of it, nor did I notice anything to my person upon consumption
of
my daily ritual in all those batches.
However, I don't know if the hole in the centre of the magnet has a
north
and south pole, I believe it does when I tried to get metal to stick to
the
centre, but then I'm no scientist or magnet expert so it could be the
field
surrounding the faces of the magnet that made the metal stick g.
Pretty useless information I know, but at least I know there is nothing
different on the face of it.
N.
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:44:47 -0700
From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSmagnetized water study: implications with CS?
Just happened to stumble on this...magnetized water studied to increase
rate at
which acidic waste is excreted. (i.e. urine pH measurably decreases)
http://greenmagnetfoundation.org/abstracts_of_magnetized_water
Can be implemented for the cost of a $25 magnet
http://www.biomagscience.net/magnet-therapy/water-jar-energizers
This might be a better approach than others for those interested in
alkalizing, as it is
cheap, easy, harmless, and allows your own body to regulate the pH for
you.
Perhaps it has other properties worth discussing. For example,
placing herbal drops in magnetized water might more it more
bioavailable? Or could it be
useful to brew CS in magnetized water? Or magnetize after the CS is
already brewed? Any experience here?
This can also be used a one of many natural approaches to reverse
kidney
failure discussed earlier on this list. It does the same thing the
bicarb supplementation does, but from the other end.
David
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CSAre Silver Nanoparticles Harmful (Science Daily article)
Please ensue discussitation: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120314100416.htm?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Fhealth_medicine+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Health+%26+Medicine+News%29 Silver nanoparticles cause more damage to testicular cells than titanium dioxide nanoparticles, according to a recent study by the Norwegian Institute of Public Health. However, the use of both types may affect testicular cells with possible consequences for fertility. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAre Silver Nanoparticles Harmful (Science Daily article)
Someone needs to get the full text and see what concentrations of nanoparticles they are talking about. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHow long does a plain single 9V setup take to brew?
Yes, get this...the hospital is supplying it. On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:52 PM, HARSHA GODAVARI h.godav...@shaw.ca wrote: I hope that your friend has distilled water and not de-ionised or filtered water. Distilled water seems to be , essentially, unavailable. Regards hg - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Date: Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:56 pm Subject: CSHow long does a plain single 9V setup take to brew? To: silver-list@eskimo.com I am helping someone in India who I got to buy this unit: http://alchemist.co/ (scroll down to the super silver option) This is the only reasonable unit for sale that I have located in all of India, btw. It appears to be a single 9 volt with no resistor. Supplements plus this CS appears to be reversing the person's otherwise terminal cancer. But I need to have a better sense of how long it would take to brew say 15PPM with this unit. My guess is 45 minutes, total, wiping the electrodes every now and then? The guy who sells it seems to be unreachable at the moment. Thanks, David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver- l...@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAre Silver Nanoparticles Harmful (Science Daily article)
Seeing as how LVDC particles arent metallic silver anyway, this does seem not apply. But perhaps there is relevance to other types of silver products? On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: No mention of concentration; in vivio with weird cells to start. From that info, I deduce that you should remove your scotum and soak your cancerous testicles in large-particle Ag sols of unknown concentration. On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:28 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: Someone needs to get the full text and see what concentrations of nanoparticles they are talking about. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSintroduction and request for help
Learn how to make it from people on this forum. It will be clear and less than 15PPM. Drink it by the jar full, and you will almost definitely not turn blue. And even if you did, it would happen gradually, and you would just decide to stop before anything happened. On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.netwrote: A friend cured herself of Lyme after many years - I will have to asked her what method she used again - although homeopathy helped considerably she worked with other disciplines too Jane From: Brennan Michaels and John Beattie owlho...@wildblue.net I am Brennan Michaels and have been struggling with Lyme disease for 3 years now. 1 and1/2 years undiagnosed so the disease became entrenched in my body. Have been on multiple courses of antibiotics with various Herx reactions. I am coming to a place of Rife machine therapy and colloidal silver. I have read scary things about colloidal silver such as one's skin turning gray forever and the fact that the medical community deems colloidal silver either dangerous or worthless. I would like help knowing dosages and safe products. thank you, brennan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: root canal
CS is good, but adding some DMSO will help it penetrate. But unless your dental issue is caused by infection, I don't know what might help you. But if it is caused by infection, you might try some things, and see if you can get another xray and see if looks clear again? I dunno.
Re: CSintroduction and request for help
Many people on this forum likethe SilverPuppy or the SilverGen to make their own colloidal silver. There are other good generators out there too. Whoever you get it from could guide you in using the machine to make CS. For lyme and co, I would start with just 1 tsp a day, or even less if there is too much herx from that. Then at your own comfort, just to avoid any bad herx reactions, work up the dose as you see fit up to I'd say 16 fl. oz. a day spread out into 2 doses on empty stomach. Aim to always be taking the daily dose that causes just a BARELY noticeable herx reaction. Then as you no longer get such a reaction at a given dose, increase the dose again tell you again start getting such a reaction. Eventually youll get up to 16 fl oz a day this way. Then when you no longer herx or improve in health, it is time to reevaluate your situation and think of the next move. David On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Brennan Michaels and John Beattie owlho...@wildblue.net wrote: I would appreciate that very much. brennan On Mar 12, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Jane MacRoss wrote: A friend cured herself of Lyme after many years - I will have to asked her what method she used again - although homeopathy helped considerably she worked with other disciplines too Jane From: Brennan Michaels and John Beattie owlho...@wildblue.net I am Brennan Michaels and have been struggling with Lyme disease for 3 years now. 1 and1/2 years undiagnosed so the disease became entrenched in my body. Have been on multiple courses of antibiotics with various Herx reactions. I am coming to a place of Rife machine therapy and colloidal silver. I have read scary things about colloidal silver such as one's skin turning gray forever and the fact that the medical community deems colloidal silver either dangerous or worthless. I would like help knowing dosages and safe products. thank you, brennan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: root canal
I think it is not a good idea to get root canal without trying a thing or two first. Unless there is some emergency. 4 anecdotes of lipo - C curing tooth pain. I would try that and also CS + DMSO. And also I'd try a saturated solution of salt + DMSO. Then also I'd try the godzilla approach. David
Re: CSColloidal silver ingestion with copper and caeruloplasmin deficiency
If anyone has access to the full text that would be great. On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:15 PM, D B mothman...@gmail.com wrote: That some hospital has stated this lady had been using colloidal silver should not necessarily be taken to be direct proof of any definite link between psychosis, copper deficiency, and colloidal silver. The hospital will have asked her what she has been doing, any supplements she has been taking that might have caused some changes, and naturally she will have mentioned taking silver sol if she has been, and the hospital staff has merely noted this fact down, whether it might possibly correlate with the incidence of psychosis in any way or not; that is literally the way hospital staff note things down, and all of a sudden, wham, 'silver might cause psychosis'. Far more likely the copper deficiency is due to something entirely different, and in fact the copper deficiency may be nothing at all to do with her psychosis. For instance, a poultry farmer many years ago found that by feeding his turkeys large amounts of zinc, their growth rate was massively boosted, but a few months later, nearly 100% of the turkeys died with burst hearts and burst blood vessels in their brains. What the farmer had not realized, was that zinc and copper are antagonistic towards each other in the body, and displace each other from the body. Nonetheless, copper and zinc must still be taken together, in a ratio of 15mg zinc to 1.5-2 mg copper, as copper maintains the elasticity of blood vessels, and without the copper, the blood vessels simply rupture and burst wide open. Far more likely that this lady has a either a low intake of copper, or an excessive intake of zinc, or some similar antagonist, as any amount of silver from taking a sol would have been extremely minimal, unless she was an extreme enthusiast who drinks a gallon a day, as some people have been known to do. For instance, some athletes buy 50 mg tablets of zinc, as do men seeking to enhance their sexual potency, and these tablets sometimes have no copper in, and this is extremely dangerous and an almost guaranteed way to suffer a heart attack or a stroke, like the turkeys, as above 50 mg intake of zinc a day, zinc is noted to be toxic to humans in this way, and copper supplementation is thoroughly recommended above that level as an absolute must. I myself will only take even 10-15mg zinc a day when combined with 1.5-2 mg copper, otherwise one is just asking for trouble. Most chemists and doctors tell us we get enough copper from copper water pipes, but that is certainly not true for all of us, as I only drink distilled water, raw milk and pressed fruit and vegetable juice, and some herb teas made with distilled water. Chick peas (organic, grown in properly enriched soil, i.e. with rock dust such as basalt) provide a good balance of zinc and copper, and can be eaten raw, nice and crunchy, but not too hard, after being soaked overnight and rinsed a few times to freshen them up, with a little black pepper, lemon juice and yoghurt (the yoghurt will protect the teeth from the enamel dissolving property of the lemon juice); raw chick peas are very full of chi when raw like this, and form a regular part of a typical Indian breakfast to provide great vitality at the beginning of the day. I have no idea what type of silver she may have been using. On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 4:35 AM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22375039 Can someone find out for us what the type of silver she used was? David
CSWash Your Mouth out With Silver, to Treat Hard-To-Treat Mouth Infections?
You just gotta laugh: As the nanoparticles are relatively stable in liquid medium they could be developed into a mouthwash solution in the near future. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120308062553.htm?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Fhealth_medicine+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Health+%26+Medicine+News%29 David
CSSilvercillin
http://www.lymediseaseresource.com/wordpress/new-colloidal-silver-for-lyme-disease/ Is anyone able to find the patent for the product so I can verify what it is? Vendors are claiming it is not ordinary EIS and I want see. Thanks, David
Re: CSSilvercillin
Awesome. How do you know it is the right one? Holladay and Moeller...where have I heard them before with other silver products? They mention hydrogen peroxide. Also elemental silver coated in silver oxide. No mention of free silver ions. Also strange that they list it going up to 40PPM. Maybe it is true colloidal silver (i.e. particles and not ions), with hydrogen peroxide then added? Any other guesses? David On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.google.com/patents/US7135195 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com wrote: I found it -- patent 7,135,195 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: You might check here = http://www.google.com/patents Smitty On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:44 AM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.lymediseaseresource.com/wordpress/new-colloidal-silver-for-lyme-disease/ Is anyone able to find the patent for the product so I can verify what it is? Vendors are claiming it is not ordinary EIS and I want see. Thanks, David -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution) -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilvercillin
Ah, I didnt realize there was the full PDF link on the side. Yes, this is the same people from ABL also it seems. HVAC process, giving 97% particles, then addition of peroxide. Now the question is whether or not they also add peroxide in their ASAP/Guardian/Silver Sol brands, which are also HVAC. Everything else appears to be exactly identical. David On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:46 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Awesome. How do you know it is the right one? Holladay and Moeller...where have I heard them before with other silver products? They mention hydrogen peroxide. Also elemental silver coated in silver oxide. No mention of free silver ions. Also strange that they list it going up to 40PPM. Maybe it is true colloidal silver (i.e. particles and not ions), with hydrogen peroxide then added? Any other guesses? David On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.google.com/patents/US7135195 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com wrote: I found it -- patent 7,135,195 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: You might check here = http://www.google.com/patents Smitty On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:44 AM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.lymediseaseresource.com/wordpress/new-colloidal-silver-for-lyme-disease/ Is anyone able to find the patent for the product so I can verify what it is? Vendors are claiming it is not ordinary EIS and I want see. Thanks, David -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution) -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver info,sec.try,
Silver/copper zeolite reduced titers of all viruses tested, suggesting that it may be effective against related pathogens of interest [i.e., SARS coronavirus, other coronaviruses, human norovirus (calicivirus)]. From a PDF paper: http://www.gpwindowfilms.com/support-files/viral-testing.pdf David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: 130V CS Generator
There is definitely a great deal to be explored in this area I think. But I think a number of variations in setups can accomplish it. The quart I was brewing reached 110uS. I got bored and stopped. I see no theoretical limit to the amount of silver ions we can put into solution. The batch was clear with a slight amber (not yellow) tint. David On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: From: Robert Toborek rtobo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CSRE: 130V CS Generator Hi Mike, ... That's my five cents worth of thoughts. Again, thank you, Mike for making this available. I'l looking forward to this new project. Cheers! Robert I wouldn't hold your breath Robert. I'm sorry to say it but we've heard all this before. If you cut through all the waffle you'll find Mike is making extravagant claims based on virtually no credible evidence whatsover. The simple process that Mike promises seems to be far more complicated that anything already available, and may only achieve a minor increase in ionic content, which is of arguable benefit anyway. Do yourself a favor and concentrate on making or buying a generator using simple and proven techniques that everyone else on this list can attest to. This may seem harsh, but new members come here for information... not to be led up the garden path. David (Australia) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C - Brook's latest updated process
FYI there is a DIY LET yahoo group all on this topic. David On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 8:15 AM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: I got mine at Harbor Freight online. It was much less expensive there than in their stores. It is an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner. I got the larger size they offered at the time. PT ** ** *From:* Gayla Roberts [mailto:aera...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:05 AM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C - Brook's latest updated process ** ** OK, what is an ultra sonic cleaner bowl? Where would I get one? Thanks.*** * Gayla - Original Message - *From:* Harold har...@telus.net *To:* Theresa Widmer tlwid...@sbcglobal.net ; Silver-List@Eskimo. Com ** ** *Sent:* Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:16 PM *Subject:* Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C - Brook's latest updated process ** ** From: Brooks Bradley Of Harborne Research Foundation‘ brooks76...@lycos.com To: Silver-list@eskimo.com silverl...@eskimo.com Sent: Tue Aug 11 14:20:01 2009 Subject: CSLiposomal Encapsulation Technology: Vit C [*1*] Dissolve 3 level tablespoons of soy lecithin in 1 cup of water (preferably distilled).[*2*[ Dissolve 1 level tablespoon of ascorbic acid powder (Vit. C) in 1/2 cup of water.[*3*]. Pour both solutions together in the ultrasonic cleaner bowl and turn the unit on. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4833 - Release Date: 02/26/12* ***
Re: CSStrawberry Birthmark Query
A case of spina bifida was cured with liposomal colostrum. If it is some kind of premature birth defect and more development is needed, that might help. On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: ** I believe I have read that these can sometimes be removed with a laser, similar to how they remove a tattoo. My wife has one on her arm exactly the same place her mother spilled hot water on her arm and burned it when she was pregnant. Marshall On 2/10/2012 12:29 PM, gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know how to help, but I will say that when I was a child there was a girl in town that had a huge strawberry mark on her face. It covered all one side of her face, from under her eye to her chin. And there must have been something inside the face too, as that side was more puffy looking than her other side. She had this all her life, until she became an adult. One day I ran into her on the street and didn't recognize her because she'd had the mark removed. It also made that side go back to normal so they must have taken the inside growth out too. Perhaps surgery is the best way. I know that lady, as a child, went through a lot of teasing from other kids. Samala, Renee
Re: CSBeck Zapper for Renal Support
If you could send it to me I would appreciate it. Or why not just share it with the group? On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Jared De la Torriente jarochoda...@hotmail.com wrote: joy,i read some literature about using silver hidrosol -- ionic silver to perform tratment of renal issue, they did it by spraying bout 3 5 times a day a ionic silver solution directly into the rectum. this clerared the simptoms in matter of days. ill happyly send all the literature i have on it if you like. just semd me a PV email. NAMASTE: -- --Forwarded Message Attachment-- Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 06:56:19 +0200 From: 2wordsproduct...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSBeck Zapper for Renal Support Does anyone know if there's a protocol that would be beneficial for renal regeneration? If only to clean the blood, I am looking now for a zapper - Beck or other. If someone has a device in working order and would like to donate it to my friend, please let me know. We do not have much money to spare as most of it is going towards supplements and diagnostics, we both live on fixed incomes which is making finding a cure rather challenging. If at possible, perhaps we can barter. I can record an angelic chant of 3 Hebrew Psalms of your choice or if you prefer to allow me to choose that for you based on Kabbalistic assessment. All recordings are done from the Holy Land and are geared individually to the individual and the intent is only for the higher good and transformation of darkness into light. If interested in this barter, please send me an email. Thank you very much, Joy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBeck Zapper for Renal Support
There were a lot of good options in the previous thread on kidney failure if you ask me. Ubiquinol I think is the foremost. Better, but more expensive would be liposomal ubiquinol. Then Kibow Probiotics was another one. Sorry, I don't know any one-time-cost approaches for kidney failure however... On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:56 PM, 2 Words Production 2wordsproduct...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know if there's a protocol that would be beneficial for renal regeneration? If only to clean the blood, I am looking now for a zapper - Beck or other. If someone has a device in working order and would like to donate it to my friend, please let me know. We do not have much money to spare as most of it is going towards supplements and diagnostics, we both live on fixed incomes which is making finding a cure rather challenging. If at possible, perhaps we can barter. I can record an angelic chant of 3 Hebrew Psalms of your choice or if you prefer to allow me to choose that for you based on Kabbalistic assessment. All recordings are done from the Holy Land and are geared individually to the individual and the intent is only for the higher good and transformation of darkness into light. If interested in this barter, please send me an email. Thank you very much, Joy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLYME Disease 2012
If you have been herxing with CS but not improving, killing bugs is not what you need to be focusing on right now. Lyme is very complicated. To put it bluntly, you do not have lyme disease like you think you have. You have a mental concept that you have a lyme bacteria and if you kill that bacteria you will get well. This is not at all true. You have a disease that has many flavors and that falls under a broad category called lyme disease simply for lack of a better name. You need guidance from a professional who treats lyme full time or at the very least the guidance of some experienced patients who have dealt with lyme for years. You have been stuck on colloidal silver cure-all hopes too long. You are sedentary and have many other complicating factors in your case. Killing bugs is not going to get you well. You have a lot of things that need working on. Time to adjust your expectations here. You are in for hard work. On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Rodney Samuelson rsamuels...@cox.netwrote: ** ** There any many websites on Lyme disease which I have. A doctor in Italy gave me a web site to look at. I take colloidal silver and only one person commented on it. I have take antibiotics and was told that was a no-no. I do have antibiotics but only one person said do not use. Please comment. How much 10 ppm should I use and how often? Please call me as I was a field rep in **India** and Italy and do better one the phone. Please respond to my email. ** ** Cell phone is 860-881-3734 ** ** rod ** ** ** **
CShigh PPM EIS update
So I got this quart still just brrewing super slow...now it is up to about 82uS! This may be the highest made by anyone so far. It is taking on a light amber color. Not a yellow color, but an beautiful amber color like mesosilver. It seems that perhaps more and more fine particles are being placed in suspension along with higher ion content! One wonders: 1. How high can this go!? 2. Perhaps LVDC could make predominantly colloid suspensions if the ions were gotten rid of some how. It may just take a long long time to brew? 3. Could one take colloid suspension like mesosilver and use it as a starting point for brewing to purposely add ions? (Not that anyone would want to) 4. What would happen if you added peroxide to these higher PPMs brews as compared to adding peroxide at the PPMs we are used to? David
Re: CSCS prevents mold?
I just had an interesting experience with the new CDS (chlorine dioxide solution). 100 drops of activated MMS used transdermally with DMSO did nothing for me in the past. Recently about 5 ml of CDS transdermally gave me strong intestinal herx. 1ml of CDS is said to be equivalent to 3 drops of activated MMS. Presumably this means has the same amount of CD as is created by the MMS. But it seems to be, that it is much more used by the body in solution. On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: Another amazing anti-mold treatment is Thieves' Oil (google it) Completely cleared an RV with lurking mold issues, after MMS treatments didn't really do it. Gets every nook and cranny. Be well, Léna On Jan 16, 2012, at 10:51 PM, Thomas Mayhew wrote: Check out this stuff for mold CS = Colloidal Silver MMS = Miracle Mineral Solution On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: ** It can help, but the real powerhouse is chlorine dioxide and activated MMS. for killing it, including spores. Marshall On 1/16/2012 3:54 PM, Gayla Roberts wrote: Can anyone tell me if CS will prevent mold from growing? Thanks! Gayla -- Thomas Mayhew, BSSE, BROKER, REALTOR®, ePRO Residential/Commercial - By Appt. Only A Real Estate Voice You Can Trust COLDWELL BANKER TOMLINSON AB Kennewick, WA www.TopTriCityHomes.com http://www.toptricityhomes.com/ Call: 509.302.7145 Email: tho...@toptricityhomes.com http://www.facebook.com/pages/365-Things-To-Do-In-Tri-Cities-WA/290634757654265 http://www.facebook.com/pages/365-Things-To-Do-In-Tri-Cities-WA/290634757654265?sk=videos
CSultrasonic nebulizer recommendation
anyone want to recommend me a cost-effective ultrasonic nebulizer? Need to step up from the Edge portable and get every last drop of bug killing power I can. David
Re: CScitrate
I bought silver oxide powder from salt lake metals. Then I bought citric acid from somewhere. Then I put silver oxide powder in water, keeping track of how much elemental silver by mass there is. This was actually a pain to figure out how to measure it somewhat accurately as I do not have fancy measuring spoons, etc. Then I slowly add citric acid and stir like crazy. Then I keep adding citric acid until all the silver oxide dissolves. I made about 16,000PPM elemental silver in a solution that was saturated with citric acid. Burns like hell. If you made it at 100PPM for example, one would barely even know there is any acidic taste at all. On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:49 PM, mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com wrote: If anyone would like to summarize about making silver citrate, I would appreciate it. ratios? Silver must be oxide first? This is possible with hydrogen peroxide? what about the 80% ions, what happens? Can be made simply be adding citrate to water when making a batch with typical low voltage method? chloride in lemon juice defeats the purpose of the citrate? Thank you mg -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal Silver Enema?
I've done 8 oz and none of it comes back out. It seemed to reach some bugs in the lower intestines that was not getting reached when taken orally. On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: I do retention enema's when I am fighting a really bad cold or a bug going around..Debbie -Original Message- Date: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:35:46 pm To: silver-list@eskimo.com From: marshall nelson mnels...@gmail.com Subject: CSColloidal Silver Enema? I just saw a YouTube video that says a CS enema is the most efficient way to get silver into the blood stream. Any comments? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNetti Pot and CS
I did neti pot once with CS. Stings like hell. Would not recommend it. I think nasal spray CS is not uncomfortable though. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Kathryn Neff n...@swtexas.net wrote: In a recent alert on the internet regarding problems with using the Netti Pot with regular water that allow some pathogen to pass through the membranes of the brain by way of the nasal passages..was wondering if anyone uses CS in the water of the Netti Pot and if so how much would be appropriate. If it is so that there is a connection between the brain and nasal passages would CS pass through and help the brain. Kathy Neff
Re: CSNetti Pot and CS
Negative! My neti pot came with salt. Is their an additive that would reduce stinging and not react with the CS? On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: ** My wife got and used one for the first time yesterday. Said it didn't sting. You did mix in the electrolyte that comes with it didn't you? Marshall On 1/12/2012 2:42 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: I did neti pot once with CS. Stings like hell. Would not recommend it. I think nasal spray CS is not uncomfortable though. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Kathryn Neff n...@swtexas.net wrote: In a recent alert on the internet regarding problems with using the Netti Pot with regular water that allow some pathogen to pass through the membranes of the brain by way of the nasal passages..was wondering if anyone uses CS in the water of the Netti Pot and if so how much would be appropriate. If it is so that there is a connection between the brain and nasal passages would CS pass through and help the brain. Kathy Neff
Re: CSNetti Pot and CS
Undiluted. Like 10 PPM. There is some belief in the lyme world right now that a particular nasal staph infection is part of the overall puzzle for some people. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Kathryn Neff n...@swtexas.net wrote: David: What how much CS did you put in a full pot of water? I would not think it would have to be very strong to clear the nasal passages of germs that were inhaled. Kathy Neff *From:* David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2012 1:42 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSNetti Pot and CS I did neti pot once with CS. Stings like hell. Would not recommend it. I think nasal spray CS is not uncomfortable though. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Kathryn Neff n...@swtexas.net wrote: In a recent alert on the internet regarding problems with using the Netti Pot with regular water that allow some pathogen to pass through the membranes of the brain by way of the nasal passages..was wondering if anyone uses CS in the water of the Netti Pot and if so how much would be appropriate. If it is so that there is a connection between the brain and nasal passages would CS pass through and help the brain. Kathy Neff
Re: CSNetti Pot and CS
When we say silver citrate do we mean molecules in suspension, or dissolved silver ions and citrate ions? And if dissolved, why would that stop silver chloride from forming? On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: ** The salt will produce silver chloride, not as effective but still effective. If you add a little citric acid to the CS to produce silver citrate first, that should make it inactive to the chlorine ion when you add salt. Marshall On 1/12/2012 3:33 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: Negative! My neti pot came with salt. Is their an additive that would reduce stinging and not react with the CS? On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: My wife got and used one for the first time yesterday. Said it didn't sting. You did mix in the electrolyte that comes with it didn't you? Marshall On 1/12/2012 2:42 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: I did neti pot once with CS. Stings like hell. Would not recommend it. I think nasal spray CS is not uncomfortable though. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Kathryn Neff n...@swtexas.net wrote: In a recent alert on the internet regarding problems with using the Netti Pot with regular water that allow some pathogen to pass through the membranes of the brain by way of the nasal passages..was wondering if anyone uses CS in the water of the Netti Pot and if so how much would be appropriate. If it is so that there is a connection between the brain and nasal passages would CS pass through and help the brain. Kathy Neff
Re: CSThe Silvercell process?
Trem, Tel, and Others, When you made your higher PPM brews, did you stop just because you felt like it, or because you actually hit a limit in PPM? I have a batch at 50PPM right now, and am going to work it up til it wont go no more. It is however very slow, as I run off 2 AA's. It seems to me that this incremental upping of PPM could be possible indefinitely. I notice that transferring the brew to another jar, then right back to the first jar actually increases PPM by about 1 or so. Then I clean the electrodes and continue the brew. I think that perhaps if you have a uniformly dispersed brew, that there is a time window when you first turn on the power when very little silver hydroxide is forming, as the denser regions of ions just coming off the electrodes have not had time to migrate to the other electrodes yet. During this time window is when the conductance will increase. When boatloads of pilgrims reach the other electrodes however, conductance may peak. This might suggest that vigorous stirring is definitely a help in lengthening that time frame. It might also suggest that increased distance between electrodes could help. This would not get rid of the nernst layer, but simply make it a non-issue for a time frame. Then the unit can be turned off for a while, and maybe continue to be stirred. Then do it again and again. Ultra low current would get rid of a theoretical nernst layer, but perhaps still in that case, eventually when boatloads of pilgrims start plating out - arriving from the other electrode in dense amounts - , this would be a second reason of a peaking conductance. Again solvable by turning off the power for a while. Just guessing! Anyone wanna have a PPM-off?
Re: CShow to get moisture out of silver oxide powder
I have made about 16,500 PPM silver citrate. This appears to be the saturation point I was able to practically reach in a saturated solution of citric acid. A study referenced earlier says 20,000PPM was the limit of silver citrate solubility. So it is in the same ballpark. 10 drops sublingually with 20 drops DMSO...no big effect. Little herx feelings here and there. [insert swear words]. I will be avoiding bright sun light. Also tried transdermally. Actually, the very first time I took just 1 drop sublingually and felt some clear improvement that same evening. Did not repeat with future doses though. The citric acid is so strong it burns. But it is tolerable. Going to try to add lots of potassium citrate shift the equilibrium and delay the release of silver ions. Also going to try doing it as an oral spray with DMSO to get more tissue area to absorb through. Also going to try liposomal version. Should help protect me from citric acid burn, and allow larger doses. I will not be opening my blinds during the day...
Re: CSRe: CS OT-- Does anyone know of a group for nattokinase ??
I had three blot clots in a vein in an arm after getting 3 consecutive
IV HCl pushes. Castor oil pack removed one of them the next day. The
other two went away with a couple months of lumbrokinase. I used
nutricology brand. It is cheaper. Lumbrokinase, nattokinase, and
serrapeptase and wobenzym are all options. Lumbrokinase is the
strongest.
For cancer, you can use your platelet count as an indicator of your
hypercoagulation. Repeatedly redo your CBC and see your platelet
count while taking enzymes. You may see the count decrease. When it
gets into mid normal range, then reduce the dose of enzymes and keep
retesting til you have a dose that keeps the platelet count stable. I
saw in one patient that platelet count clearly went up and down when
he complied and did not comply with lumbrokinase.
For cancer, I would start with 2 lumbrokinase, 3x/day on empty, plus
10 wobenzym, 3 times a day on empty, with the lumbrokinase. Have your
doctor monitor whatever needs to be done with the warfarin, and
hopefully wean you off of it slowly.
David
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:33 AM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote:
You might also want to check in with a top rate Oriental Medical herbalist
to dissolve the clots and keep your blood thinner. But they would have to
be someone who is really good at what they do.
Good luck.
PT
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Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 9:14 AM
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Subject: CSRe: CS OT-- Does anyone know of a group for nattokinase ??
I want to stop the Warfarin I have--Ovarian cancer---{Operation removed
over 99% } Have a blood clot in each lung. { just to stay balanced of
course } one in my leg... { not balanced but ok with me}---I started
Warfarin last year really don't want to use it. I have done quite a bit of
research but haven't found any help in the process for the change... Thanks
for any advice-- Lois
Also going to post this on the DMSO site}
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Re: CSgrey nail moons
Hi Marshall, About trying MMS on argyria, FYI, Humble and pals have a new product. Called CDS (chlorine dioxide solution). They trap the gas and it runs through a tube into a different bottle of water and you ned up with the dissolved gas. This plus DMSO may be an interesting experiment for the fingernails. FYI, I have done 100 drop of activated MMS transdermally with no adverse effects. David On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: Marshall wrote: My sister was successful using the Bob Beck protocol. I think she drunk around a pint of CS a day. When I was bitten by a tick 5 or so years ago, and noticed the lyme circle, I panicked,s having had it decades earlier for many years, and drank a couple of quarts a day of 10 or so ppm for a week. It took care of it, but also caused my fingernail moons to turn gray. Marshall, Don't think I've asked you recently, but have you had any luck lightening the grey moons? I've had mine about 6 years now, I think, and though they do vary, sometimes lighter, sometimes darker, and sometimes even a bit of the center of the nail on my right thumb will almost clear, I have not been able to get rid of them in any finger. Have you done the argryia removal protocol with the selenium and vit. e and other things? Anytime I swallow any CS for any reason, such as to stop an attack of the runs, they get darker. thanks, sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSobservation on electrode tarnish
FYI, brewing at higher PPMs (around 50PPM), I see both electrodes consistently tarnish to a dark gray color very quickly. I don't recall seeing both electrodes turning that color at lower PPMs - only one of them. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe Silvercell process?
I am thinking that may be the case. Though it may also be that finding out how to tweak the parameters correctly could get much higher than 50PPM. It would be interesting for people with different types of gens to try it on their setups. Basically run it until the conductance peaks. Then clean the electrodes and put the electrodes back in the solution, but rotate it say 90 degrees (just so they are not in the same location as they just were). Then keep repeating until conductance does not increase at all with brewing. At this point, let the brew sit for a day, then try again. I think using silver tubing instead of wires might help for higher PPMs. On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: So, would you say that making highly ionic CS is not really that difficult after all? David (Australia) From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Date: 5 January 2012 7:25:48 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSThe Silvercell process? I stopped brewing at about a stable 50 uS. Slight yellow tinge. It is possible it could go higher if I just kept sticking the generator in it. But I got bored. This concentration brew also does not appear to make me herx or anything. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSremoving silver stains
Just last night I was actually wondering if DMSO + a ClO2 solution might help argyria topically. Also wonder the same thing about citric acid. On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:03 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: Marshall wrote: I just discovered something that will remove silver stains within a minute or two. I have a countertop which is rather badly stained with silver from over the years. Although hydrogen peroxide can be used to remove new silver stains, my experience is that once it has sat a while, it tarnishes becoming silver sulfide. Silver is happiest with sulfur, so I had been unable to find anything to react with it a and produce a soluble silver compound. Unfortunately silver sulfide is 100% insoluble, so once you have the stain, it seemed to be there forever. I have applied hydrogen peroxide to these stains in the past for hours at a time. Just curious what kind of counter top you have? I have ancient formica and have gotten a lot of silver stains on it over the years, but they invariably come out with hydrogen peroxide and baking soda (applied together) and a little scrubbing. Rarely, on old stains, I've had to let the mixture sit on the stain an hour or more, and once or twice have had to repeat the treatment, but I've never had it not work. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe Silvercell process?
The tubing could be bent in a U so the inside is unexposed. On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 12:53 PM, D Glover mothman...@gmail.com wrote: But the tubes would be filled with oxide particles that you couldn't clean out and you would be leaving them in the tubes to seed big ionic clusters in your next batch, leading to bottoming out. I would suggest wire is still the best, I use 12 electrodes cut from 2 metres of 2 mm 99.999% pure silver from Alfa Aesar in Germany, a subdivision of Johnson Matthey (I know I have mentioned some of this before to you, just repeating a little for the benefit of new readers). On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 8:30 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: I am thinking that may be the case. Though it may also be that finding out how to tweak the parameters correctly could get much higher than 50PPM. It would be interesting for people with different types of gens to try it on their setups. Basically run it until the conductance peaks. Then clean the electrodes and put the electrodes back in the solution, but rotate it say 90 degrees (just so they are not in the same location as they just were). Then keep repeating until conductance does not increase at all with brewing. At this point, let the brew sit for a day, then try again. I think using silver tubing instead of wires might help for higher PPMs. On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: So, would you say that making highly ionic CS is not really that difficult after all? David (Australia) From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Date: 5 January 2012 7:25:48 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSThe Silvercell process? I stopped brewing at about a stable 50 uS. Slight yellow tinge. It is possible it could go higher if I just kept sticking the generator in it. But I got bored. This concentration brew also does not appear to make me herx or anything. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.comsilver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CShow to get moisture out of silver oxide powder
I am trying to make a highly concentrated silver citrate solution but encountered a problem. The first time I did this I did not have this issue. I took silver oxide powder and put it in distilled water. Then I added citric acid until it could all dissolve, stirring vigorously. Made about 1,000PPM This time I first made a solution nearly saturated with citric acid. Then I added the silver oxide. But it appears the silver oxide is a little clumpy and does not disperse into a fine mist will stirring it. I think it may be because of some moisture in the jar of silver oxide powder I have. The result is that the silver oxide is taking forever and ever to dissolve and is very frustrating. It is dissolving, but just super slowly. Almost up to 5,000PPM. I won't be able to tell when saturation with silver really happens if the reason for not dissolving is due to something else. Any ideas how to remove the moisture? Adding grains of rice to the silver oxide bottle? A tiny swig of the 1,000PPM had an effect on me, so I need to explore higher concentrations (while staying out of the sun). David
CSDMSO and EIS nebulizer recipe
What is an acceptable ratio by volume of DMSO and EIS when used with nebulizer? I nebulized the 50PPM EIS I made, and I got some mild feelings of herx in my brain. So again, I need to explore this route more also. Orally, I did not notice any clear effect. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShow to get moisture out of silver oxide powder
Good idea. I just stuffed one in therebarely fit. Had the packet punctured pushing it in, that would have been not so good. Now just have to wait. On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:15 PM, D Glover mothman...@gmail.com wrote: How about those little sachets of moisture absorbing stuff they stick in new trainers and packets of capsules? On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:09 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to make a highly concentrated silver citrate solution but encountered a problem. The first time I did this I did not have this issue. I took silver oxide powder and put it in distilled water. Then I added citric acid until it could all dissolve, stirring vigorously. Made about 1,000PPM This time I first made a solution nearly saturated with citric acid. Then I added the silver oxide. But it appears the silver oxide is a little clumpy and does not disperse into a fine mist will stirring it. I think it may be because of some moisture in the jar of silver oxide powder I have. The result is that the silver oxide is taking forever and ever to dissolve and is very frustrating. It is dissolving, but just super slowly. Almost up to 5,000PPM. I won't be able to tell when saturation with silver really happens if the reason for not dissolving is due to something else. Any ideas how to remove the moisture? Adding grains of rice to the silver oxide bottle? A tiny swig of the 1,000PPM had an effect on me, so I need to explore higher concentrations (while staying out of the sun). David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: DMSO and EIS nebulizer recipe
Also, what is a good ration of DMSO and CS for eye drops? Want to try it on someone with a cataract. David On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:13 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: What is an acceptable ratio by volume of DMSO and EIS when used with nebulizer? I nebulized the 50PPM EIS I made, and I got some mild feelings of herx in my brain. So again, I need to explore this route more also. Orally, I did not notice any clear effect. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShow to get moisture out of silver oxide powder
Any idea what temperature would be needed? I have a boat made out of aluminum foil with some of the silver oxide powder in it at 170F right now. On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: The two standard methods of drying a powder are putting in an oven, and mixing with silica gel. You can reuse silica gel by heating it in an oven to dry it. Marshall On 1/6/2012 4:09 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: I am trying to make a highly concentrated silver citrate solution but encountered a problem. The first time I did this I did not have this issue. I took silver oxide powder and put it in distilled water. Then I added citric acid until it could all dissolve, stirring vigorously. Made about 1,000PPM This time I first made a solution nearly saturated with citric acid. Then I added the silver oxide. But it appears the silver oxide is a little clumpy and does not disperse into a fine mist will stirring it. I think it may be because of some moisture in the jar of silver oxide powder I have. The result is that the silver oxide is taking forever and ever to dissolve and is very frustrating. It is dissolving, but just super slowly. Almost up to 5,000PPM. I won't be able to tell when saturation with silver really happens if the reason for not dissolving is due to something else. Any ideas how to remove the moisture? Adding grains of rice to the silver oxide bottle? A tiny swig of the 1,000PPM had an effect on me, so I need to explore higher concentrations (while staying out of the sun). David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShow to get moisture out of silver oxide powder
It is reduced by Hydrogen gas at 100°C ( 212°F ), forming Silver Powder and water. http://www.saltlakemetals.com/Silver_Oxide.htm On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 4:22 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Any idea what temperature would be needed? I have a boat made out of aluminum foil with some of the silver oxide powder in it at 170F right now. On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: The two standard methods of drying a powder are putting in an oven, and mixing with silica gel. You can reuse silica gel by heating it in an oven to dry it. Marshall On 1/6/2012 4:09 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: I am trying to make a highly concentrated silver citrate solution but encountered a problem. The first time I did this I did not have this issue. I took silver oxide powder and put it in distilled water. Then I added citric acid until it could all dissolve, stirring vigorously. Made about 1,000PPM This time I first made a solution nearly saturated with citric acid. Then I added the silver oxide. But it appears the silver oxide is a little clumpy and does not disperse into a fine mist will stirring it. I think it may be because of some moisture in the jar of silver oxide powder I have. The result is that the silver oxide is taking forever and ever to dissolve and is very frustrating. It is dissolving, but just super slowly. Almost up to 5,000PPM. I won't be able to tell when saturation with silver really happens if the reason for not dissolving is due to something else. Any ideas how to remove the moisture? Adding grains of rice to the silver oxide bottle? A tiny swig of the 1,000PPM had an effect on me, so I need to explore higher concentrations (while staying out of the sun). David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWhat is this silver product APeX
http://www.apexuap.com/index.html David
Re: CSWhat is this silver product APeX
I thought I read 1 bottle a month. Anyway, somewhere they said they would sell it at cost under circumstances I already forgot. They also apparently have no way for the public to purchase it except through practitioners who agree to document cases for them. Still reading their pages. No info on what it actually is. Some wrong info about colloidal silver is there. But in general, I am not getting a intentionally scammy vibe from these folk as is present in other sites. I am getting a sincere vibe. I am recalling a product called OxySilver. I seem to remember concluding it was the same thing as ASAP - colloids made by HVAC. This APeX product also touts something or the other about oxygen. Anyh... On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:39 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.netwrote: I don't know but... it is $ 100.00 for a 4 oz bottle and it says it takes four bottles per month to follow the protocol. whew.. !! Lola On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 4:20 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.apexuap.com/index.html David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhat is this silver product APeX
Well, they talk about cancer data, but then its nowhere on their site. Guess it's privy info...no way to tell if it is any better than anecdotal cures with EIS... One thing their site made me realize was that their appears to be a product by ABL called Super Silver Solution that Frank tested in 2010 to be ionic silver. There advertising does not suggest it of course. This then casts doubt on ABLs patent claims on ASAP and their other brands being 10nm colloids nearly 100% with properties x,y,z.
Re: CSWhat is this silver product APeX
A presentation by a doctor on the product: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6EAkTrauss He writes on a slide that a similar product (tetrasilver tetroxide) developed by Marvin Antelman demonstrated similar beneficial effects. He goes on to say that Marvin is an Israeli scientist and his product is the one that cured breast cancer in the south american study by IV administration. Maybe their negative ABL talk is to reduce ASAP as a competitor, as ABL claims it contains Ag4O4. The presentation has only a few documented cases. No summary of results of all documented cases. On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 2:14 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: Well, they talk about cancer data, but then its nowhere on their site. Guess it's privy info...no way to tell if it is any better than anecdotal cures with EIS... One thing their site made me realize was that their appears to be a product by ABL called Super Silver Solution that Frank tested in 2010 to be ionic silver. There advertising does not suggest it of course. This then casts doubt on ABLs patent claims on ASAP and their other brands being 10nm colloids nearly 100% with properties x,y,z.
Re: CSWhat is this silver product APeX
Has anyone here actually tried tetrasil, tetrasil cream, or terrasil cream (appears to be renaming of tetrasil cream)? Only terrasil appears to be available. Think it is worth a long shot for systemic infection?
Re: CSThe Silvercell process?
I stopped brewing at about a stable 50 uS. Slight yellow tinge. It is possible it could go higher if I just kept sticking the generator in it. But I got bored. This concentration brew also does not appear to make me herx or anything.
Re: CSbrain a barrier?
Just a few months ago on a lyme forum a lady had fast developing paralysis. CS reversed it very quickly. This, and many other anecdotes, would suggest that CS does cross the BBB to a meaningful degree. David On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:13 PM, mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com wrote: Is there information on silver crossing the blood brain barrier? Informed person says it does. I witnessed someone putting a poultice of c silver on the arm and this seemed to cause a slightly raised, de pigmented scar tissue like area. If I can vaguely remember, Becker said that silver can de differentiate cells and that skin mediated voltage fields can sustain a re differentiation and thus some regeneration of limb and bone, even cancerous. I may not have it right, but I dont have the book anymore. Another part of the conundrum is that when the silver forms brown stains on the colloidal making apparatus, this is very difficult to clean. So I imagine the silver staining the brain and causing dedifferentiation and this seems totally frightening. What is uncontrolled de-differentiation? Perhaps almost a cancer, perhaps a scar tissue, but anyway, not good I can imagine. Sorry if this has been covered, I looked at the archives but didnt find anything thanks mg -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbrain a barrier?
Nebulized CS can treat lung cancer. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:04 PM, slickpic...@cox.net wrote: What is uncontrolled de-differentiation? Perhaps almost a cancer, perhaps a scar tissue, but anyway, not good I can imagine. So those who nebulize CS are increasing their chances of lung cancer? Terry mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com wrote: Is there information on silver crossing the blood brain barrier? Informed person says it does. I witnessed someone putting a poultice of c silver on the arm and this seemed to cause a slightly raised, de pigmented scar tissue like area. If I can vaguely remember, Becker said that silver can de differentiate cells and that skin mediated voltage fields can sustain a re differentiation and thus some regeneration of limb and bone, even cancerous. I may not have it right, but I dont have the book anymore. Another part of the conundrum is that when the silver forms brown stains on the colloidal making apparatus, this is very difficult to clean. So I imagine the silver staining the brain and causing dedifferentiation and this seems totally frightening. What is uncontrolled de-differentiation? Perhaps almost a cancer, perhaps a scar tissue, but anyway, not good I can imagine. Sorry if this has been covered, I looked at the archives but didnt find anything thanks mg -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbrain a barrier?
We posted an abstract earlier that implied that silver ions can be liposomally encapsulated without reacting with the lecithin. If true, one could take silver citrate solution and like 20,000 PPM and do some professional lipo or PEG-lipo encapsulation on it. Liposomes, especially PEG liposomes, can passively accumulate in tumors. If one wanted to use silver for cancer, this would be the approach one might take as an oral supplement. If no one else does it, heck, I think I might sell it someday. Citric acid also has some anticancer properties to boot. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Jason R Eaton ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: Greetings, According to Becker's work contrasted with Bart Flick's work contrasted with Steven Quinto's work, the following statement can be made: With the right amount of current (extremely small amount), silver ions delivered by this current can cause cancer cells to dedifferentiate, and thus return to a pre-cancerous state. However, Becker refuted this claim; based on his work, it is clear that the RIGHT amount of current must be used. Stephen Quinto followed up and studied the effect that silver ions had on human cancer cells, and found that the silver ion has the capability to destroy cancer cells. His lab studies were never published, but they were very interesting. However, I do not view silver as a primary treatment modality for cancer, as the silver ion must reach the cancer, and with cancer/tumors in the body, if you're not a surgeon, getting that task done guaranteed is not easy. ~Jason From: slickpic...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 16:04 Subject: Re: CSbrain a barrier? What is uncontrolled de-differentiation? Perhaps almost a cancer, perhaps a scar tissue, but anyway, not good I can imagine. So those who nebulize CS are increasing their chances of lung cancer? Terry mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com wrote: Is there information on silver crossing the blood brain barrier? Informed person says it does. I witnessed someone putting a poultice of c silver on the arm and this seemed to cause a slightly raised, de pigmented scar tissue like area. If I can vaguely remember, Becker said that silver can de differentiate cells and that skin mediated voltage fields can sustain a re differentiation and thus some regeneration of limb and bone, even cancerous. I may not have it right, but I dont have the book anymore. Another part of the conundrum is that when the silver forms brown stains on the colloidal making apparatus, this is very difficult to clean. So I imagine the silver staining the brain and causing dedifferentiation and this seems totally frightening. What is uncontrolled de-differentiation? Perhaps almost a cancer, perhaps a scar tissue, but anyway, not good I can imagine. Sorry if this has been covered, I looked at the archives but didnt find anything thanks mg -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.comsilver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/**maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSsilver and iodine
Is it dangerous to ingest these two supplements near each other? I heard silver iodide is harmful to health.
Re: CSThe Silvercell process?
FYI my unit runs off of two AA batteries and has slowly made its way up to a 36uS batch right now. Hope it just keeps going. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:58 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: This is interesting as this suggest that while there is a limit to how much AgOH can dissolve, there may be a totally different (if not no theoretical limit) for how much Ag+ and OH- can be in solution (i.e. not as a result of dissolving AgOH). Can that physically/chemically make sense? Perhaps it is as Mike suggests in that whatever AgOH is formed is done so immediately in the so called nernst diffusion layer. This would imply that the drop in conductance after a batch finishes is caused by something entirely different than AgOH forming. What could be causing the drop then? And why is it less pronounced in the higher density EIS? (perhaps some of the conductance drop is not seen in the higher PPM EIS, as it is actually obscured by the still overall increasing conductance since the higher PPM EIS is being processed for a much longer time?) This could also explain a mechanism of particle formation as AgOH clumps right at the site of the electrode? just talking out of something David
Re: CScollodial silver for parkinsons. Please help. I need your advice/ suggestions
*from this store:* http://www.healthyitems.com/Liposomals-s/41.htm liposomal glutathione : work up to like 1,000 mg a day, all in the evening (this is glutathioen but way way better) liposomal vitamin C: work up to like 5 grams a day, taken at least a few hours before glutathione liposomal curcumin: like 1 gram a day *from other places:* *(google shop)* colloidal silver - make it yourself and work up to like 8 oz a day on empty. Or try silver100 if yo udont wanna make anything yourself. **get meridian valley labs food allergy tests: 190 foods both IgE and IgG antibodies. Call them up and ask. passion4life, 1 fl oz a day. Special liquid multivitamin Yes EFA. 2 capsules twice a day. esssential fatty acids. MAP amino acids, 5 tablets a day liposomal ubiquinol http://www.amazon.com/Sugar-Free-Liquid-Liposomal-Ubiquinol-bottle/dp/B001XQV1EY (this is coq10 but way way better. I'd do 200 or even 400mg a day) liposomal colostrum: 1 tsp twice a day. (2 grams per tsp) http://www.newlifehealthsolutions.com/our-products?page=shop.product_detailsproduct_id=24flypage=flypage.tplpop=0 Swanson magnesium oil. (you rub it on the skin) MSM (source of sulfur) BioSil (bioavailable silica) That's what I would start with if it were me. Get the things out that could be causing it (toxins, infections, food allergies). And put the things the body needs to build it all back up (vitamins, minerals, amino acids, phospholipids, essential fatty acids). David
CSPassing of Jim Meissner at age 70
This is to inform members of this list of the passing away of Jim Meissner at the age of 70 from cancer. He is a member of this group (though hasn't posted much for several years I believe). He was an inventor and sold a CS generator among other things. He first introduced me to silver which did in fact save my life, and I believe is still what is keeping me alive. The last several years of his life were largely spent focusing on people with lyme disease and its coinfections. He invented a number of rife-type devices which have profoundly benefited or even remitted a number of people with lyme-related illness. His forum on this topic will continue to be carried by others. He pursued alternative treatments, and got significant results, but it seems the diagnosis may have just come too late. 6 days before his passing, he willfully decided to stop the fight. He suffered no pain except the last 4 days of his life after ceasing the use of his rife-type devices. Below is a copy of his local obituary: Juergen Jim Paul Meissner Juergen Jim Paul Meissner, 70, died Tuesday, December 20, 2011 of colon cancer at his residence in Afton. He was preceded in death by his parents and 3 grandchildren. He is survived by his loving partner, Carol Monroe; and by two children from his first marriage, a son, Thomas Meissner; a daughter, Suzanne Jacobs, and four grandchildren. Born in Berlin, Germany, September 22, 1941, he was the son of the late Hellmuth Meissner and Edith Maria Strauch Meissner. At age 11, he migrated with his parents to Guelph, Ontario, then in 1956 to the United States. Prior to moving to Nelson Country in 1997, he lived in New Jersey and Arizona. He was a graduate of the Pennington School for Boys (Pennington, NJ), and attended Phoenix College, (Phoenix, AZ), and Arizona State University. Jim accumulated all the tools and electrical gear he could. He put together a workshop in the basement of the family home when he was in his early teens, and added to it all his life. At age 16, he won first place in the New Jersey State Science Fair for designing and building a complete hi-fi system. Jim always loved music. He acted and sang in professional theater, sang in the Bach Madrigal Society and the Phoenix Symphonic Choir, sang in the church choir and was in several musical plays. He was a member of the touring choirs of Phoenix College and Arizona State University. In 1960, he won the seldom-awarded Trudel Award for excellence in music. While attending college, he earned money by repairing radios, televisions, and phonographs and building hi-fi systems and enclosures. He opened a recording studio, designing and building all the necessary electronic equipment. He later designed, patented and built stereo speakers that worked on a new principle that resulted in uniform sound regardless of placement. After college, he was for many years employed as a consultant for companies in the aerospace, electronics and health-care industries. In addition to his consulting business, he purchased and for ten years managed a company that made transistors and capacitors. Among the companies he consulted for were Goodyear Aerospace Corp., North American Aviation, Arizona Electronics Standards Lab, Julie Research Laboratories, RFL Industries, and many more. Jim's unique understanding of how things worked, his incessant curiosity, and his skill in researching and experimenting led him to produce inventions in the fields of energy, health, and food production. Always interested in enhancing human performance, he developed ways to retrain the brain using electronics. One such device, which he called the Brain State Synchronizer, could be used to improve performance in sports and other activities. He was the holder of numerous patents. Jim's greatest joy in life was helping people. Perhaps the most important project of his later years was sharing the knowledge he had acquired through research into the causes and treatment of cancer, Lyme disease, and other ailments through personal contact and a health forum he ran on the internet. Since his own illness became known, he received hundreds of encouraging and grateful messages from people from all over the country, saying how much he had helped them. Condolences can be sent to http://meissnerresearch.com/contact/. A celebration of his life will be held in mid-January. The family requests that memorial donations be made to the Hospice of the Piedmont, 675 Peter Jefferson Parkway, Suite 300, Charlottesville, VA 22911, in appreciation of their support through the last months of his illness. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour
Re: CSYour INNUENDO is damaging -- can even make the cancer grow
I don't know about magnetic pulsers, but I know anecdotes that clearly show using the wrong pole of a magnet can be very damaging to health. On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 2:36 AM, Douglas Haack douglasha...@yahoo.comwrote: Melly B, let me be as gentle as I can. Please state your reference/s and source -- when making such critical statements. You apparently have NO practical Knowledge of Magnets and Pulsing. Your INNUENDO is damaging and generally contrary to all the literature going back 75 plus years. Think before you blithely write in this way!! Do some real research before making such Throw-Away statements and inform yourself. I've used Mag pulsers for 11 years and could/would NOT live without mine. I own 4 definitive books on the subject -- this does not make me an expert -- it makes me careful and certainly thankful that those before us have taken the time to experiment and research for our comfort and care. I make my own custom magnetic wraps of differing sizes and have done so for years. with thanks and in SILvation -- Douglas H -- *From:* Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 December 2011 3:53 PM *Subject:* CSMagnets Thank you Renee and PT for your advice. Again, i will repeat what i have read about pulsers. If the Hz is not high enough, it can even make the cancer grow. From what i understand the good Hz is 30,000+. Very expensive though. Melly
Re: CSargyria bath
I don't have argyria. Just brainstorming. EDTA chelation has not worked on argyria. On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 4:49 AM, Vigilius Haufniensis thehatefuln...@comcast.net wrote: You need chelation. On 12/25/2011 12:26 AM, David AuBuchon wrote: Could you take a bath in something like peroxide or citric acid or idunno to treat argyria? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSExperiments with silver oxide and citric acid - please advise
So based on the Silver 100 patent, I got silver oxide, citric acid, and potassium citrate. Their solution is 100ppm silver. I scaled up their recipe proportionally to be 1,000PPM. That turned out to be not nearly enough citric acid (roughly 5 grams total in a quart of water). Most of the brown silver oxide powder disappeared, but eventually a lot of white powder precipitated. Presumably this was silver hyroxide. Though I don't understand why silver hydroxide would have precipitated as opposed to the silver oxide just not mostly dissolving. Anyway, if one could get the silver hydroxide that way, one could test its solubility independently. Same goes with the store bought silver oxide. So I ended up adding about 100grams citric acid (about 3 fl. oz. in volume of powder). Also added much more potassium citrate (in total about 40 grams). All of that for about 1.1 grams silver oxide. Even still some powder is left on the bottom. Mostly brown now, but a little white. Overall perhaps 95% of the silver has dissolved. So now I am wondering how I should ingest this without throwing up? I previously bought a bottle of silver 100 and evaporated the water. I accidentally was not paying attention and completely evaporated everything. Then I reconstituted the residual powder to be about 400PPM silver, assuming the over cooking did not do something I do not realize. It is interesting that this appeared to be completely dissolved at this PPM, but to make 1000 PPM required many many many times more citric acid. I am thinking I am missing something here... Anyway, I swigged about 1/4th a fluid ounce of that and did indeed get a herx reaction. But it was not the most comfortable feeling on my stomach. Now I have this slightly under 1,000PPM solution that is way more acidic. Need a way to get this into my body. I can try rectally, but somehow I imagine intense burning just thinking about it. I could take some orally, but it may not be enough to get the job done. I could also liposomally encapsulate it. That would make it easier I think. I posted a study earlier that seemed to imply that silver ions do not interact with the liposomes once encapsulated. Any thoughts? David
Re: CSExperiments with silver oxide and citric acid - please advise
Oh and now I'm out of citric acid. Anyone know if I can get it in bulk locally? Or the best deal online? On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 9:24 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: So based on the Silver 100 patent, I got silver oxide, citric acid, and potassium citrate. Their solution is 100ppm silver. I scaled up their recipe proportionally to be 1,000PPM. That turned out to be not nearly enough citric acid (roughly 5 grams total in a quart of water). Most of the brown silver oxide powder disappeared, but eventually a lot of white powder precipitated. Presumably this was silver hyroxide. Though I don't understand why silver hydroxide would have precipitated as opposed to the silver oxide just not mostly dissolving. Anyway, if one could get the silver hydroxide that way, one could test its solubility independently. Same goes with the store bought silver oxide. So I ended up adding about 100grams citric acid (about 3 fl. oz. in volume of powder). Also added much more potassium citrate (in total about 40 grams). All of that for about 1.1 grams silver oxide. Even still some powder is left on the bottom. Mostly brown now, but a little white. Overall perhaps 95% of the silver has dissolved. So now I am wondering how I should ingest this without throwing up? I previously bought a bottle of silver 100 and evaporated the water. I accidentally was not paying attention and completely evaporated everything. Then I reconstituted the residual powder to be about 400PPM silver, assuming the over cooking did not do something I do not realize. It is interesting that this appeared to be completely dissolved at this PPM, but to make 1000 PPM required many many many times more citric acid. I am thinking I am missing something here... Anyway, I swigged about 1/4th a fluid ounce of that and did indeed get a herx reaction. But it was not the most comfortable feeling on my stomach. Now I have this slightly under 1,000PPM solution that is way more acidic. Need a way to get this into my body. I can try rectally, but somehow I imagine intense burning just thinking about it. I could take some orally, but it may not be enough to get the job done. I could also liposomally encapsulate it. That would make it easier I think. I posted a study earlier that seemed to imply that silver ions do not interact with the liposomes once encapsulated. Any thoughts? David
CSargyria bath
Could you take a bath in something like peroxide or citric acid or idunno to treat argyria?
Re: CSNettie Pot and CS
I second the pure CS stings like heck in neti pot. David
Re: Re: CSnutrasilver experience
Frank has an ASAP lab test on his site. I assume it is from years ago. It was mostly ionic. This I assume was from the time of the first patent then. Their latest patent claims 98% particles (10nm roughly). Is that what would in fact be produced by HVAC? I emailed Frank suggesting he add it to his list of true colloidal silver products, but never got a response. David
Re: Re: CSnutrasilver experience
Just clarifying, the nutrasilver is dark brown. The ASAP (from ABL) is clear. The ASAP is made by HVAC something or the other if I remember right. The nutrasilver process is not known to us. I doubt it is just adding peroxide, as the silver taste is really quite strong. It stains the cup yellow in the grooves also, but it comes of with a scrub. David
CSWhat exactly is plating out
So say for example you have some silver snowflakes growing on the bottom of your finished jar of EIS. What actually entices silver ions in that solution to give up an electron and become metallic, stuck to the rest of the snowflake. How might this apply in vivo also. I recall Marshall's write up suggested that particles provide sites of nucleation (which I guess just means places for plateout to start?), and silver chloride plateouts out on them. And it does not matter that the particles are not metallic silver as in the case of the snowflake? David
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387
What are the general parameters that can be decided in the use of magnets? I can think of: 1. Placement of magnets (i.e. near an injury, tumor...I gather also important to consider location of energy meridians) 2. Length of use 3. Which pole to use 4. Strength profile of the magnet. As I understand, it is necessary to chart the field strength in gauss as a function of distance from the surface of the magnet. For example, some magnets have unbelievably high gauss rating at the surface, but taper off into almost nothing within an inch or so. That may be useless for a tumor in the center of the body, but most useful for a skin cancer for example. Then some magnets have lower gauss ratings, but do not decline all that fast with distance, even after going away 10 or 12 inches. This type of magnet may not be as good for say a skin cancer, but better for a internal tumor, etc. So am I getting it correctly? David
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387
So regarding cancer, I looked into it in the past, and found a Dr. Phillpot (spelling?) now deceased. I ordered some of his printed reports, and the gist of it is if I recall correcty, if you expose all areas of a tumor to at least 20 gauss for 30 days continuously, using the correct magnet pole, then the tumor will be dead by then according to his clinical experience. He had a number of colleagues. One is Dr. Dean Bonlie (I think he is a dentist technically). He has a company called magnetico sleep. They sell magnetic mattresses. The highest end model I looked into and found out that if you sleep on one of those, you are covering your entire body all night long with around 15 gauss, based on how far you are from the surface of the magnet, and the guass profile they gave me as a function of distance from the surface of the magnet. I spoke with Dr. Bonlie on the phone and he told me that although Dr. Phillpot did great work, towards the end of his life, he lost mental clarity, and did not make it clear that there is some potential harm in using magnets next to the skin, as the field from the other pole (the one you don't want) still wraps around and gets the body a little. This is why the magnetico sleep pads go UNDER the mattress. The mattress is a buffer that keeps you far enough away to not be exposed to the bad magnetic field that is wrapping around from the other pole. Then you are left with only being exposed to the good field. Also, my friend Scott recently published this excellent article on PEMF. Makes me really want to get one ($20,000 for the best unit though!) Maybe someday. (IT IS A PDF): http://www.publichealthalert.org/pdf/2012_01.pdf David
Re: CSThe Silvercell process?
This is interesting as this suggest that while there is a limit to how much AgOH can dissolve, there may be a totally different (if not no theoretical limit) for how much Ag+ and OH- can be in solution (i.e. not as a result of dissolving AgOH). Can that physically/chemically make sense? Perhaps it is as Mike suggests in that whatever AgOH is formed is done so immediately in the so called nernst diffusion layer. This would imply that the drop in conductance after a batch finishes is caused by something entirely different than AgOH forming. What could be causing the drop then? And why is it less pronounced in the higher density EIS? (perhaps some of the conductance drop is not seen in the higher PPM EIS, as it is actually obscured by the still overall increasing conductance since the higher PPM EIS is being processed for a much longer time?) This could also explain a mechanism of particle formation as AgOH clumps right at the site of the electrode? just talking out of something David
Re: CSHighly ionic CS.
Mike has done stable high 30's at least. There is something he is doing that has a lesson in it, I'll say. I'll be interested to see how high my ordinary unit can go though. David On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 4:41 AM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Date: 20 December 2011 12:42:07 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSThe Silvercell process? How is the 40PPM measured on the SilverGen? A built in meter? Short of getting a batch lab-analyzed, the correctness and relevance of the reading that that meter gives would need to be validated. The conductance drop over time after the batch is finished would also need to be viewed. Also visible plateout or fallout. Also potential contamination sources. David Trems was measured with a PWT meter I assume. Mike claims that basic gens only make 5 ppm. Thats self-serving BS. He creates a lot of straw man arguments to make his process sound more impressive than it really is. Just about any gen can make pretty high ppm with a little practice and experimentation. 23 ppm (eg Natural immunogenics) is typical of the maximum acheivable for a 'stable' batch that you can bottle and store, but its not hard to make CS thats 'temporarily' highly ionic, and isn't that all you need? Why worry about conductance drop? Just drink the stuff while its fresh and highly ionic. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQuinton Marine Plasma
I've tried it. Did not feel anything. I have chronic lyme related illness. I have heard 4 anecdotes of liposomal vitamin C removing tooth pain. Other people spray DMSO and CS on the tooth, and also nasally. David On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: Have any of you tried Original Quinton Marine Plasma? Discovered by French physiologist René Quinton in 1897, this nutrient-rich seawater (cold sterilized and processed according to pharmaceutical grades) has been used for over 110 years to restore the bio-terrain. I just got some from my holistic dentist to ward off what might possibly be a sinus infection causing tooth pain. He said to sniff it up, let it linger in the throat, and swallow. He said it really helps one to recover quickly after a difficult exercise session. He asked what I do when I feel a cold coming on. I said I nebulize with colloidal silver. He said to do that also, then. He didn't even blink an eye or look at me like I'm a bit nutty like most other people do when I mention colloidal silver. So glad I found this dentist! Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSnutrasilver experience
So I got a bottle. Though it says nothing clear on the paperwork, it is claimed nanoparticles of silver from 2 to 20nm @ 3600PPM Physical observations: -dark brown liquid. -When added to water, it has a tendency to sink, indicating the particles are clumped together - I punctured the top of the bottle with a diaper pin. The instructions were to do so with a toothpick. Then drops come out of this hole. I estimate I am only getting 300 to 400 drops out of this bottle. There is a claimed 600 per bottle (which is the standard drop count for 1 fl. oz.). I don't think using a toothpick would have yielded 600 drops. Results: 60 drops gives me some intestinal herx, and couple days of taking 60 drops once a day, I notice some very slight overall health improvements. No systemic herx however. Could provide some more incremental improvement for me due to killing bartonella in the intestines, but it will not be able to handle the systemic problem. It is noteworthy that I get any results at all, as at present, no other silver product does so for me. Though EIS does prevent me from backsliding systemically. David
Re: CSnutrasilver experience
That is from ABL. I tried it under the label ASAP 30 PPM. Their patent claims the nanoparticles are coated in Ag4O4 incidentally as a result of the process. I would not know how to verify the claim though. The product did not help me though. Ag4O4 perhaps has different arrangements also? Ag4O4 as an isolated chemical in higher amounts would be a completely different product. People mention it from time to time, and I would be interested in trying it if someone can guide me how to do so (i.e. how to obtain it and take it) David On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: ** David, ** ** Have you tried silver tetroxide? I’ve found this form of silver to be very effective for infections. It’s made by a company called Guardian and they claim it is only 10ppm but it works quite well. Cleared a food poisoning I had in about 4 or 5 hours. ** ** Bob ** ** -- *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 20, 2011 4:53 PM *To:* **silver-list@eskimo.com** *Subject:* CSnutrasilver experience ** ** So I got a bottle. Though it says nothing clear on the paperwork, it is claimed nanoparticles of silver from 2 to 20nm @ 3600PPM ** ** Physical observations: -dark brown liquid. -When added to water, it has a tendency to sink, indicating the particles are clumped together - I punctured the top of the bottle with a diaper pin. The instructions were to do so with a toothpick. Then drops come out of this hole. I estimate I am only getting 300 to 400 drops out of this bottle. There is a claimed 600 per bottle (which is the standard drop count for 1 fl. oz.). I don't think using a toothpick would have yielded 600 drops. ** ** Results: 60 drops gives me some intestinal herx, and couple days of taking 60 drops once a day, I notice some very slight overall health improvements. No systemic herx however. Could provide some more incremental improvement for me due to killing bartonella in the intestines, but it will not be able to handle the systemic problem. ** ** It is noteworthy that I get any results at all, as at present, no other silver product does so for me. Though EIS does prevent me from backsliding systemically. ** ** David
Re: magnetic pulser, was Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387
PEMF and magnetic mattresses are two other magnetic applications. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:37 PM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: Renee, I really would appreciate any info you can find for me re magnetic pulser use instead of taped on magnets. I cannot use tape.as I have not found one I do not react to. I did have magnet therapy from an anesthesiologist, but those didn't help much. They were small magnets though, tiny in fact, and I could not leave them on very long because i couldn't leave them taped on as long as I was suggested to do. I DO have a Sota Magnetic Pulser, and have found it helpful, but have not experienced the kind of pain relief you are talking about in this thread. It helps, but nothing that dramatic. Perhaps I am not using it to its full potential. thanks, sol gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure exactly the difference. I did ask Peter once about a device that I THINK was a mag pulser, if I remember correctly. He told me that they were good, but that the constant use of a regular magnet was better. You can tape it on your body and wear it 24/7. But I could ask him again if you want more specifics. Samala, Renee /---Original Message---/ Where does a magnetic pulser fit into magnetic therapy? Or is magnetic pulser therapy too different? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe Silvercell process?
It could be, though I am also skeptical. Natural Immunogenics for example only has 23PPM with all their years of work. And that is also suspiciously close to one hypothetical upper bound of roughly 26PPM (13PPM silver oxide, 13 PPM silverhydroxide). This lends credence to that hypothetical upper bound (without using ultra low current density like Mike is doing, that is). How is the 40PPM measured on the SilverGen? A built in meter? Short of getting a batch lab-analyzed, the correctness and relevance of the reading that that meter gives would need to be validated. The conductance drop over time after the batch is finished would also need to be viewed. Also visible plateout or fallout. Also potential contamination sources. David On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com wrote: Would you mind sharing more details on this? How small must the batch be? How pure must the water be? -Alan On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: Anyway, I've made 40+ ppm CS with a Silverpuppy in the past. Its not that hard. Its just a matter of using very pure water and keeping the batch size small. Trem has also said he's made 40+ with a Silvergen. Mike would dispute this of course. David -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
Re: CSMaking highly ionic CS. (Was the Silvercell process)
That is interesting. List members might try taking finished batches and sticking the generator back in it and seeing if this works. This is also somewhat similar to what Mike was mentioning. He would need to swap polarity every now and then to overcome what I called earlier some kind of secondary limit (the first limit hypothetically being the nernst diffusion layer, made a non issue with very low current density). Or perhaps the argument about he nernt diffusion layer is not real at all, and it is only this secondary limitation that is somewhat alleviated by using super low current. That, in essence, could give more time for things to disperse (analogous to turning off the power on a higher current generator every now and then). Skepticism diminishing... David On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: One other thing I forgot to metion in my previous post is that consuming large amounts of high ppm CS may may not be such a good idea anyway, unless you have a very good reason to do so. Any claim that highly ionic CS 'cannot cause argyria' is purely speculative. David As I said, its not that hard, but hardly worth the effort in my experience. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 40 PPM is so simple.
They've been making an EIS generator since 1968??? David On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Tel Tofflemire telt...@me.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Jim Holmes wrote: Hello Ted,-- (Tel) That looks like a great device, and at a good price. But when reading about it, I came upon this: A micron is one billionth of a meter. No. A nanometer is one billionth. A micron is one millionth. I is most surely a simple error, but does not look good on their home page. Surely it has not been there since 1998? How long does it take for the unit to make a gallon of 10 PPM? What current/voltage/phase/pulse rate etc. does the unit use? Do you know how he maker verifies the machine's particle size distribution? I look forward to meeting you and visiting your shop the next time I come out of the wilderness and get down to ABQ. Jim Hey Jim, your welcome in my store anytime, I know his I have a great tester (Hanna Pro ) and I do send in a sample of my colloidal silver to (2 ) Universities , U of Ohio, and Arkansas Herbal College. The wanted to know my silver maker's name, and said i was 20 PPM and very clean from any break down of silver . I always test my distilled water before I make CS, if the water has *more* than 3.0 or 2.0 undissolved PPM . I do not use it for CS, I have found several from time to time that are only oo.2 or oo.3 ppm , wallmart was one place I got it in AZ, but Here the walmart Distilled is not as pure? I get it now at Smiths, (Crogger) it's ok and the best I can find, but around 1.3 ppm sometimes? Yes, the Colloidal Master was invented in Idaho when I lived there, By Steve and Pearl, of Wishgranted.com, they are now in northern Minn, I looked at it in 1968, but never bought one untill about 1978? When I started my company. QuailwoodHerbal.com I still use it at least once a week, Never had a bit of trouble, it is known for it's aoutomatic shutoff, Just set it what you want and go do something else. I love it and I have tried others before this one. ( I won't mention) Tel Tofflemire On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com wrote: I Have made all my Colloidal Silver 40 p.p.m. and more for over 12 years now. In fact I told everyone on the list how to do it several times. You use a good unit, and you make a gallon at a time, it doesn't take me any longer to make a gallon than a quart with a Colloidal Master AC. The best part is I de-vide the gallon of 40 or more p.p.m. into another gallon jar and add more distilled water until I get what PPM I want. Lots of times I only want around 20 PPM. That is all you need for most of the time. By the way, I know several on the list that use the colloidal Master, and are very happy with it what it does. There made by (www.wishgranted.com ) Tel Tofflemire -- *From:* Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2011 4:49 PM *Subject:* CSMaking highly ionic CS. (Was the Silvercell process) One other thing I forgot to metion in my previous post is that consuming large amounts of high ppm CS may may not be such a good idea anyway, unless you have a very good reason to do so. Any claim that highly ionic CS 'cannot cause argyria' is purely speculative. David As I said, its not that hard, but hardly worth the effort in my experience. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe Silvercell process?
Nope. Not that I know of. It is all just assuming that the use of conductance to approximate silver content (thus far used for things under about 15PPM) continues to hold true at higher PPM. Does conductance in fact increase linearly with silver ion content? In the limit, a solution would have eventually get an infinite conductance and the curve may look asymptotic at some point. I recall that after terminating the brew, there is some conductance drop in the next day or so, but it is much less than the conductance drop seen with regular EIS. David On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote: I didn't follow him to his site so I don't know, but has he ever put up two (2) laboratory analysis reports from the *same* batch brewed indicating ion/particle ratio and total amount of silver in aforesaid product sample? 1. Within 24 hours of production cessation including a pH level, and 2. Another a week later from the same batch including a pH level? And even praps another two (2) samples tested in similar fashion from separate batch brewed? N. To: silver-list@eskimo.com From: da...@alchemysa.com.au Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:35:10 +1030 Subject: CSThe Silvercell process? Anyone been able to make head or tail of this? Mike originally suggested the whole thing was just about finalised, but it seems far from it. In fact its looking more and more like one long meander up the garden path to me. Things seem still to be very much in the development phase to me, and for very little benefit anyway. A few extra ppm of ionic silver 'might' be produced, but for exactly what purpose? Mike's claims of high ionic ppm being vastly superior is based on a clinical trail of one person - himself. (A man who is constantly sick). Sadly some of his 'followers' seem to be hanging on tenterhooks waiting for the big breakthrough instead of just being directed on how to make easy, simple CS like we do. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe Silvercell process?
Well, If I recall, he said he had a few people with some viral infections who took care of it with his stuff sublingually (not swallowed), when lower PPM EIS did not do it with swallowing. That is not something that should be ignored. I also know on the salt/C forum, there are I think 2 or 3 people with lyme who peaked on oral EIS, but continued to herx after switching to Silver 100. So different silver products of various types of concentrations can be complementary and/or work differently or better than others. I seem to recall some people on this forum have shared anecdotes of a certain PPM not cutting it, but then working once the brewed it at a higher PPM. Could be mistaken though. He has produced roughly 40PPM before (last I checked anyway, before he kicked me off his forum). As I see it, there is potential for much higher than 40PPM actually. It is definitely worth investigating. The very fact that he got anything significantly above 26PPM raises questions about the theoretical limitation of his process. What if it were possible to make 100PPM for example? His process seems to avoid the nernst diffusion layer becoming too thick and forming silver hydroxide at the electrodes, but then there is a flattening out of conductance when he gets higher up towards 40PPM. There is some secondary limitation now, that is not due to the nernst diffusion layer. He said it had something to do with ions becoming to gathered around the electrode to which is had migrated, reaching a point where they plateout as fast than they are added to solution if I remember correctly. He could manage this for a while by swapping polarity once or twice once the conductivity started flattening out. There would be further increases in the conductivity this way, but eventually this polarity swapping stopped providing additional increase in conductance. I suggested to him a very very light thermal stirring might disperse the silver ions near the electrodes more evenly into the solution, and possibly make his process bypass this secondary limitation, possibly getting PPM much higher than 40, even without need for polarity swapping. He dismissed it as laughable like half of every other suggestion people make. The other half of comments he praises as being genius. One way to really keep a low current density is use the 99.9 silver tubing I linked to like a month ago. No one seems to have used that in a generator yet. It has many times the surface area of 12 gauge wire. They have many widths to choose from. More electrode surface area might also alleviate this congregating of silver ions near the electrode (perhaps proportionally with the increase of surface area), which is the secondary limitation he runs into - the first limitation being the nernst layer, not being a problem in theory as his current density stays constant below an unspecified experimental threshold for the parameters of his generator. He is super sick with mold illness. Unfortunately it seems he does not know anything about treating it. He is constantly exposed to mold, and if he does not move, it is hopeless. He would rather fiddle with this and that device to try and manage the mold in his apartment. Even if you are not exposed to mold at all, people are still sick, not at all because of mold exposure or mold infection, but because of leftover biotoxons that they cannot properly eliminate. Killing mold in your body is not enough to beat mold illness. Detox is the main problem. There are doctors who treat mold illness specifically, and he has no chance on stumbling over what they know he needs to do. It is actually a really complicated treatment. His plan to make it doable for the single mom is not going to work. He drives here and there scrounging for cheap parts that stores are trashing. etc. No one is gonna do that. It needs to be sold prebuilt or its hopeless. David, are you still on his forum? Supposedly he will eventually have a instruction manual for others to replicate his generator, so for most of us, we just wait for that and his documentation of the process and his experiments. Seriously though, a lot of info could eventually come out of his stuff. David On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: Anyone been able to make head or tail of this? Mike originally suggested the whole thing was just about finalised, but it seems far from it. In fact its looking more and more like one long meander up the garden path to me. Things seem still to be very much in the development phase to me, and for very little benefit anyway. A few extra ppm of ionic silver 'might' be produced, but for exactly what purpose? Mike's claims of high ionic ppm being vastly superior is based on a clinical trail of one person - himself. (A man who is constantly sick). Sadly some of his 'followers' seem to be hanging on tenterhooks waiting for the big breakthrough instead of just being directed on how to
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #377
I the files section of the iodine yahoo group, I am sure there must be detailed info on how to do an iodine loading test properly. David On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:50 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: Paul wrote: . if I put some Iodine on a flat surface like a desk it stains it immediately, then I remove the source and it does something not unlike 'evaporates', so I'm not sure this method of testing means anything... I have read many times that skin painting tests for iodine sufficiency/deficiency ARE meaningless. Not all medical doctors, or medical researchers agree with the iodine proponents. sol Paul B On 12/12/2011 04:44, silver-digest-request@eskimo.**comsilver-digest-requ...@eskimo.comwrote: ...to paint a spot about the size of a quarter on your tummy in the evening and if the spot had been absorbed by morning ,then you needed it. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNeed expert advice ASAP
I know this is bizarre, but when I looked up Ingrid's site, the first thing that come into my head was she looks like Budwig. David On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: I believe that if you are able to contact Ingrid Naiman, who has a website, she might be able to offer very concrete advice. Her book about cancer salves has photos of tumor expulsion from a female breast, and the healing process. Greg or Kathryn Caton in Equador, with altcancer.com, might also have suggestions or links to useful facts. Based on my reading -- I am a layman with no expertise and offering no advice -- the consensus is that once expulsion has begin it will continue until the mass is ejected, and that keeping the area clean and covered with sterile gauze is sufficient. That said, please keep in mind that no one on the Silver List can do what a licensed medical practitioner who is amenable to alternative therapies can do. The contact persons above might be able to direct you to some of those persons. Prescription pain relief alone might be a Godsend. On 2011/12/10, at 4:58, rans...@atmc.net rans...@atmc.net wrote: To everyone who knows about our challenging past 2 years and 9 months since Glenda found the lump in her breast, we send this out and ask for any expert advice on what to do when a large tumor is expelled from the body. Please don't take this wrong, but please don't inundate me with well-meant cancer advice right now. It looks like we've won or are very well on our way to winning now. What we are apparently facing now is the aftermath- it looks like the tumor is dead or quickly dying and is about to be expelled. That is bound to leave a hole and we need to know what to do next. But first- here's what happened this morning... Just to backtrack a bit, we forced the tumor to the surface first with inhaled hydrogen peroxide, then with nebulized hydrogen peroxide, then with nebulized saline that was treated with a NightHawk Water Stone to make radon and ozone, then we combined that 50-50 with hydrogen peroxide. The real kicker was Iodine Cataphoresis. That really forced it to open up and stay open and drain out. I have been updating my document about IC and if anyone has the old one, you should ask me for the updated version. Anyone else who wants it, just ask but do so directly to me at ransley at atmc dot net. Since this thing really opened up, we kept it covered during the workday with zinc oxide ointment on bandages, then we applied a poultice at night of green clay and charcoal (there have been numerous other poultices used, but this one worked best with an open draining ulcer). We kept seeing a white surface inside the opening. We thought that was remnants of zinc oxide or flesh exposed to air. Most people who have read much about alternative medicine have run across the idea in the last few years that a tumor is white. Apparently, that is what we were looking at all along and didn't know it until this morning. All of a sudden, after she took a shower and removed the clay and charcoal, this thing was a dull yellowish color and looked shriveled and dry. All of a sudden, there was no drainage or bleeding. She called to me- although not overtly in a commanding way, but any man who has been long married knows that there is something in that call that says Husband Come Here Now. She said- what we've been seeing is the tumor. As she made a twisting move, I suddenly saw the flesh at the edge of the hole make a gap as it separated from the tumor. First time that's ever happened and it didn't bleed. I immediately knew that meant that flesh and tumor were disengaging from each other. The hole is presently the size of a nickel (US 5 cent coin) and is fairly circular. This thing is going to come out and pretty soon I think. What we need to know now is... If it doesn't come out right away all in one piece, what kind of external treatment might dissolve it? No matter if it comes out in one piece, pieces or if we dissolve it and it oozes out, there's going to be a cavity. I know enough to know not to prematurely speed the closing of that cavity, that it must heal from the inside out. What treatments would hasten that process without engendering infection? We've avoided infection nicely so far. Lastly- whatever suggestions we get must be cheap and simple. Not to bore anyone with this, but we're hanging on by our financial teeth right now. Not to worry, we never got much above our raising anyway and that raising was to do the best you can with what you got. As the joke goes, we've done so much for so long with so little that we're now qualified to do anything with nothing ;) Thanks for all the help so far and thanks in advance for any more. DaddyBob -- The Silver List is a
Re: CS Need some iodine info please...
There are different strengths of lugol's. I think the one you got is 5
drops is equivalent to 1 tablet of iodoral. One tablet of iodoral has
12.5mg total iodine.
Dr. Brownstein used to recommend 12.5 mg iodinea day for healthy people as
general maintenance. I heard he has increase this number to 50mg now and
to 200 to 300mg for people with cancer.
It detoxes bromide and fluoride so you have to work up the dose. I am
getting detox reactions with iodine right now also.
David
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 3:43 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net
phoenix23...@tds.netwrote:
Hi... There is a terrific website, www.earthclinic.com that shares
the stories of many users of iodine and their experiences.
http://earthclinic.com/Remedies/iodine.html
Yahoo may also have an iodine group you can check in with. But, just
start off slow (a drop or two in water and drink once x day to begin
with) and watch for any reactions. Iodine will detox some folks so
build up the dosage gradually.
If one is allergic to seafood, kelp, etc do NOT take iodine at all. Lola
Wish I could be more help with the specs of your iodine.
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 6:18 PM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
My daughter wants to start taking Lugol's iodine-I ordered some --
This
is what I received-- J Crow's Lugol's solution 2%...{ Ingredients = 94%
distilled water---4% Potassium Iodide 2% Iodine }... Got 2- 2 ounce
glass
bottles...
{{I should have read more of the iodine posts but time wouldn't
allow
it right now }} Is this a good mix ??? If so how much should a person
take
how often ??? Thanks for any all help anyone can give--- Thanks, Lois
{{ I got it on amazon.com--- this is the site---{ It was on sale--2
bottles
for $20}}--J.Crow's® Marketplace, J.Crow Company, Herbs,Spices,Essential
Oils,Fragrances,
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Re: CSNeed expert advice ASAP
Being a silver forum, many might suggest spraying colloidal silver all day long onto the wound. It controls infections, and boosts stem cells, both of which accelerate healing. Oral ingestion could also help I believe. It is cheap to boot. David On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:58 AM, rans...@atmc.net wrote: To everyone who knows about our challenging past 2 years and 9 months since Glenda found the lump in her breast, we send this out and ask for any expert advice on what to do when a large tumor is expelled from the body. Please don't take this wrong, but please don't inundate me with well-meant cancer advice right now. It looks like we've won or are very well on our way to winning now. What we are apparently facing now is the aftermath- it looks like the tumor is dead or quickly dying and is about to be expelled. That is bound to leave a hole and we need to know what to do next. But first- here's what happened this morning... Just to backtrack a bit, we forced the tumor to the surface first with inhaled hydrogen peroxide, then with nebulized hydrogen peroxide, then with nebulized saline that was treated with a NightHawk Water Stone to make radon and ozone, then we combined that 50-50 with hydrogen peroxide. The real kicker was Iodine Cataphoresis. That really forced it to open up and stay open and drain out. I have been updating my document about IC and if anyone has the old one, you should ask me for the updated version. Anyone else who wants it, just ask but do so directly to me at ransley at atmc dot net. Since this thing really opened up, we kept it covered during the workday with zinc oxide ointment on bandages, then we applied a poultice at night of green clay and charcoal (there have been numerous other poultices used, but this one worked best with an open draining ulcer). We kept seeing a white surface inside the opening. We thought that was remnants of zinc oxide or flesh exposed to air. Most people who have read much about alternative medicine have run across the idea in the last few years that a tumor is white. Apparently, that is what we were looking at all along and didn't know it until this morning. All of a sudden, after she took a shower and removed the clay and charcoal, this thing was a dull yellowish color and looked shriveled and dry. All of a sudden, there was no drainage or bleeding. She called to me- although not overtly in a commanding way, but any man who has been long married knows that there is something in that call that says Husband Come Here Now. She said- what we've been seeing is the tumor. As she made a twisting move, I suddenly saw the flesh at the edge of the hole make a gap as it separated from the tumor. First time that's ever happened and it didn't bleed. I immediately knew that meant that flesh and tumor were disengaging from each other. The hole is presently the size of a nickel (US 5 cent coin) and is fairly circular. This thing is going to come out and pretty soon I think. What we need to know now is... If it doesn't come out right away all in one piece, what kind of external treatment might dissolve it? No matter if it comes out in one piece, pieces or if we dissolve it and it oozes out, there's going to be a cavity. I know enough to know not to prematurely speed the closing of that cavity, that it must heal from the inside out. What treatments would hasten that process without engendering infection? We've avoided infection nicely so far. Lastly- whatever suggestions we get must be cheap and simple. Not to bore anyone with this, but we're hanging on by our financial teeth right now. Not to worry, we never got much above our raising anyway and that raising was to do the best you can with what you got. As the joke goes, we've done so much for so long with so little that we're now qualified to do anything with nothing ;) Thanks for all the help so far and thanks in advance for any more. DaddyBob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNeed expert advice ASAP
I heard about a different type of plastic wrap called Press N Seal that supposedly also sticks to the skin. A nurse suggested it to me to over an IV line I keep in my arm at the moment, so that it does not get wet in the shower. Perhaps something like that could seal over the wound an create a pouch that you can fill with EIS as a pure liquid. you would need a insulin syringe to inject the EIS through the wrap, then something to plug the needle hole (such as a second layer of press N seal) On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:41 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: I agree with Marshall. I would think a sterile bandage soaked in sterile EIS as packing and then covered with another sterile bandage and taped on would do the trick. I would imagine you can also find a sterile barrier so the EIS doesn't evaporate. That might take the place of the second bandage. Obviously you need to use your judgment as only you are there with her. Good luck. PT -Original Message- From: Marshall [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 3:15 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNeed expert advice ASAP According to Bob Becker's book The Body Electric EIS, or silver ions are great for promoting healing without scarring. Personally I would keep it wet with EIS as much as possible, and give it time to heal. That will of course also prevent infection. Marshall On 12/9/2011 2:58 PM, rans...@atmc.net wrote: To everyone who knows about our challenging past 2 years and 9 months since Glenda found the lump in her breast, we send this out and ask for any expert advice on what to do when a large tumor is expelled from the body. Please don't take this wrong, but please don't inundate me with well-meant cancer advice right now. It looks like we've won or are very well on our way to winning now. What we are apparently facing now is the aftermath- it looks like the tumor is dead or quickly dying and is about to be expelled. That is bound to leave a hole and we need to know what to do next. But first- here's what happened this morning... Just to backtrack a bit, we forced the tumor to the surface first with inhaled hydrogen peroxide, then with nebulized hydrogen peroxide, then with nebulized saline that was treated with a NightHawk Water Stone to make radon and ozone, then we combined that 50-50 with hydrogen peroxide. The real kicker was Iodine Cataphoresis. That really forced it to open up and stay open and drain out. I have been updating my document about IC and if anyone has the old one, you should ask me for the updated version. Anyone else who wants it, just ask but do so directly to me at ransley at atmc dot net. Since this thing really opened up, we kept it covered during the workday with zinc oxide ointment on bandages, then we applied a poultice at night of green clay and charcoal (there have been numerous other poultices used, but this one worked best with an open draining ulcer). We kept seeing a white surface inside the opening. We thought that was remnants of zinc oxide or flesh exposed to air. Most people who have read much about alternative medicine have run across the idea in the last few years that a tumor is white. Apparently, that is what we were looking at all along and didn't know it until this morning. All of a sudden, after she took a shower and removed the clay and charcoal, this thing was a dull yellowish color and looked shriveled and dry. All of a sudden, there was no drainage or bleeding. She called to me- although not overtly in a commanding way, but any man who has been long married knows that there is something in that call that says Husband Come Here Now. She said- what we've been seeing is the tumor. As she made a twisting move, I suddenly saw the flesh at the edge of the hole make a gap as it separated from the tumor. First time that's ever happened and it didn't bleed. I immediately knew that meant that flesh and tumor were disengaging from each other. The hole is presently the size of a nickel (US 5 cent coin) and is fairly circular. This thing is going to come out and pretty soon I think. What we need to know now is... If it doesn't come out right away all in one piece, what kind of external treatment might dissolve it? No matter if it comes out in one piece, pieces or if we dissolve it and it oozes out, there's going to be a cavity. I know enough to know not to prematurely speed the closing of that cavity, that it must heal from the inside out. What treatments would hasten that process without engendering infection? We've avoided infection nicely so far. Lastly- whatever suggestions we get must be cheap and simple. Not to bore anyone with this, but we're hanging on by our financial teeth right now. Not to worry, we never got much above our raising anyway and that raising was to do the best you
Re: CSNeed expert advice ASAP
Tegaderm I think might work for that actually. I think you can get it at CVS. An adhesive, clear, water proof film. You wouldn't want atual adhesive exposed to the EIS, so you might take a second tegaderm and stick it to the first, leaving only the perimeter of the first tegaderm patch with exposed adhesive, to adhere to the skin around the wound. That might just retain EIS. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:46 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: I heard about a different type of plastic wrap called Press N Seal that supposedly also sticks to the skin. A nurse suggested it to me to over an IV line I keep in my arm at the moment, so that it does not get wet in the shower. Perhaps something like that could seal over the wound an create a pouch that you can fill with EIS as a pure liquid. you would need a insulin syringe to inject the EIS through the wrap, then something to plug the needle hole (such as a second layer of press N seal) On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:41 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: I agree with Marshall. I would think a sterile bandage soaked in sterile EIS as packing and then covered with another sterile bandage and taped on would do the trick. I would imagine you can also find a sterile barrier so the EIS doesn't evaporate. That might take the place of the second bandage. Obviously you need to use your judgment as only you are there with her. Good luck. PT -Original Message- From: Marshall [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 3:15 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNeed expert advice ASAP According to Bob Becker's book The Body Electric EIS, or silver ions are great for promoting healing without scarring. Personally I would keep it wet with EIS as much as possible, and give it time to heal. That will of course also prevent infection. Marshall On 12/9/2011 2:58 PM, rans...@atmc.net wrote: To everyone who knows about our challenging past 2 years and 9 months since Glenda found the lump in her breast, we send this out and ask for any expert advice on what to do when a large tumor is expelled from the body. Please don't take this wrong, but please don't inundate me with well-meant cancer advice right now. It looks like we've won or are very well on our way to winning now. What we are apparently facing now is the aftermath- it looks like the tumor is dead or quickly dying and is about to be expelled. That is bound to leave a hole and we need to know what to do next. But first- here's what happened this morning... Just to backtrack a bit, we forced the tumor to the surface first with inhaled hydrogen peroxide, then with nebulized hydrogen peroxide, then with nebulized saline that was treated with a NightHawk Water Stone to make radon and ozone, then we combined that 50-50 with hydrogen peroxide. The real kicker was Iodine Cataphoresis. That really forced it to open up and stay open and drain out. I have been updating my document about IC and if anyone has the old one, you should ask me for the updated version. Anyone else who wants it, just ask but do so directly to me at ransley at atmc dot net. Since this thing really opened up, we kept it covered during the workday with zinc oxide ointment on bandages, then we applied a poultice at night of green clay and charcoal (there have been numerous other poultices used, but this one worked best with an open draining ulcer). We kept seeing a white surface inside the opening. We thought that was remnants of zinc oxide or flesh exposed to air. Most people who have read much about alternative medicine have run across the idea in the last few years that a tumor is white. Apparently, that is what we were looking at all along and didn't know it until this morning. All of a sudden, after she took a shower and removed the clay and charcoal, this thing was a dull yellowish color and looked shriveled and dry. All of a sudden, there was no drainage or bleeding. She called to me- although not overtly in a commanding way, but any man who has been long married knows that there is something in that call that says Husband Come Here Now. She said- what we've been seeing is the tumor. As she made a twisting move, I suddenly saw the flesh at the edge of the hole make a gap as it separated from the tumor. First time that's ever happened and it didn't bleed. I immediately knew that meant that flesh and tumor were disengaging from each other. The hole is presently the size of a nickel (US 5 cent coin) and is fairly circular. This thing is going to come out and pretty soon I think. What we need to know now is... If it doesn't come out right away all in one piece, what kind of external treatment might dissolve it? No matter if it comes out in one piece, pieces or if we dissolve it and it oozes out, there's going to be a cavity. I know
Re: CSArgyria
If he does not know what is in it, how does he know it is 3,600PPM? Maybe he can get lucky and find out his product is normal EIS? Maybe he ought to get Franks to test a sample?
Re: CSArgyria
He should probably update his site to say impossible to get argyria when used as directed. On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:41 AM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: If he does not know what is in it, how does he know it is 3,600PPM? Maybe he can get lucky and find out his product is normal EIS? Maybe he ought to get Franks to test a sample?
Re: CSArgyria
This was in one of their PDF test reports: Ionized silver compound in a double colloidal solution Active ingredient: Ionized silver 0.36% On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:44 AM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: He should probably update his site to say impossible to get argyria when used as directed. On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:41 AM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: If he does not know what is in it, how does he know it is 3,600PPM? Maybe he can get lucky and find out his product is normal EIS? Maybe he ought to get Franks to test a sample?
Re: CSArgyria
And in another PDF: Base: 0.36% colloidal silver ... Appearance/color: liquid, dark brown Odor: none pH: 7 Emulation point: 201.2 F Solubility in water: extremely soluble Vapor pressure: N/A Evaporation rate: N/A ... One drop of nutrasilver per liter of water contains only 0.090mg of silver (this is inconsistent with 3,600PPM. He may have had a different product back then though)
Re: CSArgyria
It can't contain protein. It can't be a compound that has anything other than oxygen and hydrogen. That means it must be the vacuum reduced EIS that you suggested, if I am not mistaken. On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: On 12/7/2011 1:41 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: If he does not know what is in it, how does he know it is 3,600PPM? Maybe he can get lucky and find out his product is normal EIS? Maybe he ought to get Franks to test a sample? No, he had it tested, and knows what is in it, only hydrogen, oxygen, and silver, IE water and silver. And the test confirmed the mfg. claim on potency. EIS cannot be made that high, because the ionic portion is ab out 80%, and has a solubility of only 26 ppm (oxide plus hydroxide). But colloidal silver can be made in much higher dosages by sputtering under a inert gas blanket, or by removing water from EIS. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSArgyria
Sorry, brain fog...duh...or colloids.
Re: CSArgyria
2 PPChicken-mc-nugget.
