Re: Backup with Errors

[Jernej Simončič]

On Saturday, May 9, 2020, 20:13:08, David Elliott wrote:

> Stream read error "E:\Users\Administrator\The
> Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox\MESSAGES.TBB" Data error (cyclic redundancy check)

Try copying (not moving) this file to another directory; if you're
successful, delete the original file, then move the copied file back.

If the copy isn't successful, it's likely that your disk is dying -
make a backup at OS level, and restore it to a new disk.

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Re: Backup with Errors

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello David,

On Sat, 9 May 2020 19:13:08 +0100 GMT (10-May-20, 1:13 +0700 GMT),
David Elliott wrote:

> Hi Thomas,

> On Sun, 3 May 2020, at 20:24:30 [which was on Sunday at 14:24 where I live] 
> you wrote:

>> [...]

>>> When I said previously "I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file". I
>>> should have said "I don't have any .TBI of a .EBI file in any directory"

> [...]

>>>  Directory of E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox

>> [...]
>>> 03/05/2020  12:37 7,232,226 MESSAGES.TBN

>> This should be the file. Rather than deleting it, rename it (I would
>> rename into message.tbn_old, but that's only my system). This way, you
>> can still rename it back if I am wrong.

> Different error now.

> ---
> Maintenance Centre
> ---
> Stream read error "E:\Users\Administrator\The
> Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox\MESSAGES.TBB" Data error (cyclic redundancy check)
> ---
> OK
> ---

Before you started the Maintenance Center, did you recreate the index
file as per my suggestion? Could you access the messages?

Now you have an error in the message base. I don't know what the error
message means.

Is it the same folder?

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Re: Backup with Errors

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello David,

On Sun, 3 May 2020 12:52:31 +0100 GMT (03-May-20, 18:52 +0700 GMT),
David Elliott wrote:

[...]

>> This is not the directory you want to look in. This is the accoount
>> directory, under that you have subdirectories named the same as the
>> folders in your account. If you have not created any new folders, you
>> will find only the standard folders Inbox, Send, Trash (maybe one or
>> two others, I forgot).

> I have created many folders.

>> So, if you have not created any folders, go to the directory Inbox.
>> Here you will find two files: messages.tbb and messages.tbi. It is the
>> latter that you want to delete while TheBat is closed. Reopen TheBat
>> and the index is recreated when you go to that folder in TheBat (may
>> take a couple of seconds if there are a lot of messages in there).

> When I said previously "I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file". I
> should have said "I don't have any .TBI of a .EBI file in any directory"

> [ ... ]

> Example of a correct directory listing
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8<
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> [DELTA-S2]
> 03/05/2020 12:50:07.06
> E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox
>>dir
>  Volume in drive E is Data
>  Volume Serial Number is FC64-460A

>  Directory of E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox

[...]
> 03/05/2020  12:37 7,232,226 MESSAGES.TBN

This should be the file. Rather than deleting it, rename it (I would
rename into message.tbn_old, but that's only my system). This way, you
can still rename it back if I am wrong.

By the way, I don't know what all these .csdsig files are. I don't
have them, maybe someone else has an idea.

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Re: Backup with Errors

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello David,

On Sat, 2 May 2020 12:07:49 +0100 GMT (02-May-20, 18:07 +0700 GMT),
David Elliott wrote:

>>> I am having problems with my backup.
>>> I was on the last of version 6 and I started getting these errors.
>>> As I am moving to a new computer I thought I would first upgrade to
>>> the latest version, then transfer it across.

>>> I have three folders in different accounts all giving these errors.
>>> Problem is that I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file.

>>> Any idea what I can do so I can get a backup done?

>>> Screen shot of error

>> The screenshot did not come through. Can you upload it, or can you
>> tell us what it said?

> :(

> Text of the error.

> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8<
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> An Error occurred whilst storing data of the folder
> \\Elliott\Inbox

> It is possible that the message base index file is damaged - try to delete
> the index file (.TBI/.EBI) and re-read the folder, then try to backup again
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8<
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Noted, this tells me something.

>>> Directory listing

> included a snip of the directory listing
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8<
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 25/04/2020  20:00   267,680 ACCOUNT.~FLB
[...]

This is not the directory you want to look in. This is the accoount
directory, under that you have subdirectories named the same as the
folders in your account. If you have not created any new folders, you
will find only the standard folders Inbox, Send, Trash (maybe one or
two others, I forgot).

So, if you have not created any folders, go to the directory Inbox.
Here you will find two files: messages.tbb and messages.tbi. It is the
latter that you want to delete while TheBat is closed. Reopen TheBat
and the index is recreated when you go to that folder in TheBat (may
take a couple of seconds if there are a lot of messages in there).

If you have created folders within TheBat and the error occurs when
yoou try to open one of them, you will find a directory with the same
name under your account directory. Delete the messages.tbi file in the
appropriate subdirectory while TheBat is closed.

Note: messages.tbb is your message base. If you delete that, you have
deleted all your messages. messages.tbi is the index file. This is
tthe file taht seems ot be correupted. If TheBat does not find an
index file when the folder is opened, it will create one from scratch.
This file contains the flags, such as "flagged", "deleted", "parked"
and so on. Therefore, previously deleted messages will show up again,
unless you compacted the folder after you had deleted them.

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Re: Backup with Errors

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello David,

On Fri, 1 May 2020 15:27:28 +0100 GMT (01-May-20, 21:27 +0700 GMT),
David Elliott wrote:

> Hello Hive Mind,

> I am having problems with my backup.
> I was on the last of version 6 and I started getting these errors.
> As I am moving to a new computer I thought I would first upgrade to
> the latest version, then transfer it across.

> I have three folders in different accounts all giving these errors.
> Problem is that I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file.

> Any idea what I can do so I can get a backup done?

> Screen shot of error

The screenshot did not come through. Can you upload it, or can you
tell us what it said?

> Directory listing



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Re: Backup question

[Richard Newman]

Hello Jack,

Tuesday, August 29, 2017, 12:55:23 AM, you wrote:
JSL> Wow. Thanks Richard. Your answer was one of the most informative and easily
JSL> understood answers I've had in a while. I have found that TB! tech support 
via
 You are welcome. I rarely actually get to make a contribution
 to this forum so I am glad my response was helpful. I thought
 is was a rather simple question coming from you. And you 
 managed to explain that.
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Re: Backup question

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Richard,

On Monday, August 28, 2017 you wrote:

RN> Hello Jack,

RN> Monday, August 28, 2017, 1:55:44 PM, you wrote:
JSL>> could I restore from a 6 month old backup and search for an
JSL>> email, then restore from the most current backup to bring me back
JSL>> to where I was?
RN> Basically the answer to your question is yes.
RN> 
RN> First I would make a "new current backup" vs one of your
RN> monthlies. Make sure that backup includes Account Properties,
RN> Folders with Messages, Address Books, Global Options and
RN> Attachment Files.
RN> 
RN> Then restore only Folders with Messages from your 6 month old 
RN> backup. The will keep account properties, address books and 
RN> global options in sync with your current settings.
RN> 
RN> Once you search/find for your missing email decide how you 
RN> want to restore your latest messages from the "new current 
RN> backup".  
RN> 
RN> 1) If you do nothing to the Folders with Messages from your 6 
RN> month old back and restore Folders with Messages from the "new 
RN> current backup" you will probably end up with duplications.
RN>  If you use Folders Remove Duplicates the program may or 
RN>  may not remove duplicates. By my experience, many 
RN>  duplicates will remain.
RN>  
RN> 2) If you do #1 and have more duplicates than you like, delete
RN> all non-standard folders in each account and delete all
RN> messages in standard folders other than your original missing
RN> message. That should give you essentially a "blank" TB set-up
RN> with all of your account properties, address books and global
RN> options. 
RN> Now if you restore Folders with Messages from your 
RN> "new current backup" you should have everything back 
RN> to where you started plus the missing message.
RN> 
RN> I avoid searching for an old message in TB backups, I bcc all 
RN> outgoing and incoming email to a Gmail account that I 
RN> established just for backups. You may want to consider that 
RN> for the future. It's a faster method of recovery.

Wow. Thanks Richard. Your answer was one of the most informative and easily
understood answers I've had in a while. I have found that TB! tech support via
this list beats anything else. I don't have the problem I described, it was just
an easy way to get my message across in an understandable way, and I see it
worked. It has happened in the past and I'm sure it will happen again so your
answer will be invaluable in bailing me out when it does happen.


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Re: Backup question

[Richard Newman]

Hello Jack,

Monday, August 28, 2017, 1:55:44 PM, you wrote:
JSL> could I restore from a 6 month old backup and search for an
JSL> email, then restore from the most current backup to bring me back
JSL> to where I was?
Basically the answer to your question is yes.

First I would make a "new current backup" vs one of your
monthlies. Make sure that backup includes Account Properties,
Folders with Messages, Address Books, Global Options and
Attachment Files.

Then restore only Folders with Messages from your 6 month old 
backup. The will keep account properties, address books and 
global options in sync with your current settings.

Once you search/find for your missing email decide how you 
want to restore your latest messages from the "new current 
backup".  

1) If you do nothing to the Folders with Messages from your 6 
month old back and restore Folders with Messages from the "new 
current backup" you will probably end up with duplications.
 If you use Folders Remove Duplicates the program may or 
 may not remove duplicates. By my experience, many 
 duplicates will remain.
 
2) If you do #1 and have more duplicates than you like, delete
all non-standard folders in each account and delete all
messages in standard folders other than your original missing
message. That should give you essentially a "blank" TB set-up
with all of your account properties, address books and global
options. 
Now if you restore Folders with Messages from your 
"new current backup" you should have everything back 
to where you started plus the missing message.

I avoid searching for an old message in TB backups, I bcc all 
outgoing and incoming email to a Gmail account that I 
established just for backups. You may want to consider that 
for the future. It's a faster method of recovery.
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Re: Backup question

[Paul Berger]

Hello TBUDL@thebat.,

Saturday, May 23, 2015, 4:11:56 AM, you wrote:

MG> I'm currently using version 6.4.0.2 (32-bit) with Windows 7.

MG> I backup my Bat every day at around 5:30 pm with The Bat backup
MG> utility that places a .tbk file in a folder on my C drive.

MG> Each night, that .tbk file gets backed up to an off-site cloud location 
through IBackup.

MG> If my computer totally crashed and I had to get a new computer,
MG> am I correct in saying that I could then download whatever the
MG> current version of TheBat! is and restore the .tbk file and have
MG> my Bat program be exactly the same as before the crash with all
MG> the emails available and readable, etc?

MG> In other words, is the .tbk backup fill all I need to be functioning again?

MG> I ask this because I've noticed that in my user folder under
MG> AppData||Roaming there are a number of TheBat! files. One of the
MG> Roaming files has the name of my account, and it's 2.2 gb in size.
MG> Do I need to back these Roaming files up as well, or are all of these in my 
.tbk file?

MG> Thanks.


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Yes, the .tbk file is all you need. I do manual back ups regularly and
have in the past been able to restore fully.


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Re: Backup Query

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 2 February 2015 at 11:11:44 PM, in
, Trash wrote:


> If you just want a simple batch file to backup the bat
> registry all you need is, I think:

> REG EXPORT "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!"
> "X:\Dropbox\TheData\registry backup.reg" /y


I have not seen "REG EXPORT" before, only regedit. My equivalent line
to do that was:-

regedit /e "%programfiles%\The Bat!\TB.REG.txt" 
"HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!" 





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Re: Backup Query

[Trash]

>> Thanks M.  I didn't realize it would be as lengthy as
>> it is but I'll take a look at it and see if I can use it.

If you just want a simple batch file to backup the bat registry
all you need is, I think:

REG EXPORT "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!" 
"X:\Dropbox\TheData\registry backup.reg" /y

Obviously change the ""C:\Dropbox\TheData\registry backup.reg" part to
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Re: Backup Query

[MFPA]

Hi


On Tuesday 27 January 2015 at 2:21:21 PM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


> Thanks M.  I didn't realize it would be as lengthy as
> it is but I'll take a look at it and see if I can use
> it.  

It could be shorter, and I'm sure it is not the most
efficient coding - having borrowed from two or three sources. But it
does what I want it to.



> I'm a little rusty on batch files.  

So am I. And it is several years since I last read or edited this one. 


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Re: Backup Query

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 you wrote:

M> Hi


M> On Sunday 25 January 2015 at 5:17:49 PM, in
M> , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:



>> Would you be willing to share that batch file?  I am
>> currently depending on Carbonite to back up the usual
>> stuff including TB! but I'm not sure if it's getting
>> everything it should.  

M> Sure. I got the idea from this list but since lost the reference (and
M> the basic method is mentioned in the "Most Frequently Asked Questions"
M> text file I received when I joined).

M> On my box, the program directory takes under ten seconds to back up
M> but the mail directory takes about 35-40 minutes. Maybe there is a
M> faster alternative to 7-zip.

M> It is actually two batch files the second called from the first after
M> TB! closes. It also clears any leftover The Bat! temp files that may 
M> accumulate.

Thanks M.  I didn't realize it would be as lengthy as it is but I'll
take a look at it and see if I can use it.  I'm a little rusty on
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Re: Backup Query

[MFPA]

Hi


On Sunday 25 January 2015 at 5:17:49 PM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:



> Would you be willing to share that batch file?  I am
> currently depending on Carbonite to back up the usual
> stuff including TB! but I'm not sure if it's getting
> everything it should.  

Sure. I got the idea from this list but since lost the reference (and
the basic method is mentioned in the "Most Frequently Asked Questions"
text file I received when I joined).

On my box, the program directory takes under ten seconds to back up
but the mail directory takes about 35-40 minutes. Maybe there is a
faster alternative to 7-zip.

It is actually two batch files the second called from the first after
TB! closes. It also clears any leftover The Bat! temp files that may 
accumulate.





::- Batch File TB Shortcut (Name: TBStart.bat) -->>
::
:: This runs The Bat! then calls the batch file "TBBackup.bat" to 
:: backup The Bat! then deletes any leftover The Bat! temp files from 
:: the temp directory 
::
::
cd /d "%programfiles%\The Bat!"
::
::
"%programfiles%\The Bat!\thebat.exe" /FOCUSU="[my main mail account]"
::
::
Call TBBackup.bat
::
::
@Echo on
@Echo.
@Echo  **
@Echo  **
@Echo  ** Deleting any leftover The Bat! temp files**
@Echo  **
@Echo  **
::
::
del  %temp%\bat*.tmp
::
:: could delete account.his files by adding 
:: del /s "M:\The Bat!\account.his"
::
cd /d %USERPROFILE%
::
::--End of Batch File TB Shortcut (Name: TBStart.bat) -->>







The file below has some longer lines that will wrap in this email.







::
::
@Echo on
::
@Echo.
@Echo  *
@Echo  *
@Echo  ** Begin TB Backup Batch File (Name: TBBackup.bat) **
@Echo  *
@Echo  *
@Echo.
::
:: Creates rotating backups of The Bat! using 7-Zip.
::
Path %SystemRoot%;%programfiles%\7-ZIP
::Echo off
::Echo on
@Echo.
@Echo  ***
@Echo  ***
@Echo  **  Rotating: 0 - 1 - 2 - 3  **
@Echo  ***
@Echo  ***
@Echo.
::
cd /d [path to backup]\TheBatBackups
::
::
::
::lastbackup.bat file is record of which backup number was updated  
::last 
::
IF NOT EXIST "[path to backup]\TheBatBackups\lastbackup.bat" @ECHO creating 
"[path to backup]\TheBatBackups\lastbackup.bat"
IF NOT EXIST "[path to backup]\TheBatBackups\lastbackup.bat" type nul>"[path to 
backup]\TheBatBackups\lastbackup.bat"
::
::>filename writes output to file (in place of anything else in the file)
::
::Surprising how many ways there are to create a 0-byte file.
::This is the recommended solution:-
::type nul>test.txt
::
::
set lastbkup=
call "[path to backup]\TheBatBackups\lastbackup.bat"
@echo last backup was %lastbkup%
@echo.
::
::
if "%lastbkup%"=="" set lastbkup=0
::
if %lastbkup%==0 set thisbkup=1
if %lastbkup%==1 set thisbkup=2
if %lastbkup%==2 set thisbkup=3
if %lastbkup%==3 set thisbkup=0
::
::
@echo this backup is %thisbkup%
@echo.
::
::
::update lastbackup.bat file ready for next time we backup
::
>"[path to backup]\TheBatBackups\lastbackup.bat" echo set lastbkup=%thisbkup% 
::
::
IF NOT EXIST "[path to backup]\TheBatBackups\TBbkup%lastbkup%\NULL" MKDIR 
"[path to backup]\TheBatBackups\TBbkup%lastbkup%"
::
::
IF NOT EXIST "[path to backup]\TheBatBackups\TBbkup%thisbkup%\NULL" MKDIR 
"[path to backup]\TheBatBackups\TBbkup%thisbkup%"
::
::
>"[path to backup]\TheBatBackups\TBbkup%thisbkup%\DateAndTime.txt" echo This 
>BackUp started at %time% on %date% 
>>"[path to backup]\TheBatBackups\TBbkup%thisbkup%\DateAndTime.txt" echo.
::
::
::
::
@Echo.
@Echo  *
@Echo  *
@Echo  ** Copy Registry Key   **
@Echo  **   To Program Directory  **
@Echo  *
@Echo  *
@Echo.
::
cd /d "%programfiles%\The Bat!"
:: cd /d %SystemRoot%
::
regedit /e "%programfiles%\The Bat!\TB.REG.txt" 
"HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!" 
::
::
::
@Echo.
@Echo  **
@Echo  **
@Echo  **   Backup Program Directory   **
@Echo  **
@Echo  **
@Echo.
::
::
cd /d [path to backup]\TheBatBackups\TBbkup%lastbkup%
::cd /d [path to backup]\TheBatBackups\TBbkupTMP
::cd /d %programfiles%\7-Zip
::
::
@echo last backup was %lastbkup%
@echo.
@echo this backup is %thisbkup%
@echo.
::
::
IF EXIST "[path to 
backup]\TheBatBackups\TBbkup%thisbkup%\TB_Program_Directory.7z" DEL "[path to 
backup]\TheBatBackups\TBbkup%thisbkup%

Re: Backup Query

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

On Sunday, January 25, 2015 you wrote:

M> Hi


M> On Thursday 22 January 2015 at 1:42:01 AM, in
M> , Rick wrote:



>> A wise person would consider
>> copying the entire mail database to somewhere  else.  A
>> winrar backup would do the trick. COpy the reg key to
>> the mail folder and it is doing everything the BAT
>> backup is doing

M> I do something similar, although not scheduled. I have a batch file
M> that opens TB!, then when TB! is closed the registry key is copied to
M> the mail folder, then 7-zip is called to copy the mail directory to an
M> archive and the TB! programme directory to another archive, then old
M> archives are deleted so that only three sets remain.

Would you be willing to share that batch file?  I am currently
depending on Carbonite to back up the usual stuff including TB! but
I'm not sure if it's getting everything it should.

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Re: Backup Query

[MFPA]

Hi


On Thursday 22 January 2015 at 1:42:01 AM, in
, Rick wrote:



> A wise person would consider
> copying the entire mail database to somewhere  else.  A
> winrar backup would do the trick. COpy the reg key to
> the mail folder and it is doing everything the BAT
> backup is doing

I do something similar, although not scheduled. I have a batch file
that opens TB!, then when TB! is closed the registry key is copied to
the mail folder, then 7-zip is called to copy the mail directory to an
archive and the TB! programme directory to another archive, then old
archives are deleted so that only three sets remain.

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Re: Backup Query

[Tom]

Thursday, January 22, 2015, 1:04:34 PM, you wrote:

> Hello Rick,


> Tom, I don't know why you have set up automatic backup twice. Anyway,
> I would think you can restore only from the .tbk file. The .$1 might
> be a previous version, kept as a backup (of the backup).


Thomas,
I  don't  remember  why  the  two  backups  were  set up via different
methods,  I  think I set up the first one under system/preferences and
when I wanted to do a second weekly running on a different weekday and
going  to  a  different destination drive I had to use scheduler. Just
want to have two independant backups for safety.

I  think  I  will delete the strange backup with $ symbol and just see
what happens. My actual mail database is not on the OS but on a second
internal  harddrive,  so  hopefully less likely to die due to wear and
tear. 



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Re: Backup Query

[Rick]

>I'm glad you never had a problem with it
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Re: Backup Query

[Rick]

>I have used the backup system often; each time I change computers, I backup 
>everything to an external HD, and on the new computer, when installing TB!, I 
>choose install from backup. Has been working flawlessly for many versions.

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Re: Backup Query

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Rick,

On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:42:01 -0500 GMT (22-Jan-15, 08:42 +0700 GMT),
Rick wrote:

>> Backup 1 shows two files with different file names and extensions:
>> a)  TBBackup.TBKExt. tbk  Modified 21/1/15 Created 23/10/13
>>  Size: 7.685,533 KB
>> b) TBBackup.$1 Ext. $1   Modified 14/1/15 Created 14/1/15
>> Size: 5,832,518 kb

>> Backup 2 shows
>> Weekly.TBK  Ext tbk  Modified 11/1/15  Created 27/10/13
>> Size: 7,624,364

>> It  seems  that  I  set  up  one backup via system/preferences and the
>> second  one  via the scheduler, though both appear in the scheduler. I
>> assume  that  the  backups only override the previous one, so only the
>> latest will be kept. Is that right or are there any settings as to how
>> many versions are to be kept?

> The  backup system is not smart although you can set it up any way you
> want. A wise person would consider copying the entire mail database to
> somewhere  else.  A winrar backup would do the trick. COpy the reg key
> to the mail folder and it is doing everything the BAT backup is doing

I have used the backup system often; each time I change computers, I
backup everything to an external HD, and on the new computer, when
installing TB!, I choose install from backup. Has been working
flawlessly for many versions.

Tom, I don't know why you have set up automatic backup twice. Anyway,
I would think you can restore only from the .tbk file. The .$1 might
be a previous version, kept as a backup (of the backup).

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Re: Backup Query

[Rick]

> Hello Everyone,

> I  have  been running backups for several years twice weekly saving to
> two  different  drives.  Fortunately  I never really needed them but I
> sure would like to have a backup ready if disaster strikes.

> Looking at the backup folders, I am confused as to the output files:

> Backup 1 shows two files with different file names and extensions:
> a)  TBBackup.TBKExt. tbk  Modified 21/1/15 Created 23/10/13
>  Size: 7.685,533 KB
> b) TBBackup.$1 Ext. $1   Modified 14/1/15 Created 14/1/15
> Size: 5,832,518 kb

> Backup 2 shows
> Weekly.TBK  Ext tbk  Modified 11/1/15  Created 27/10/13
> Size: 7,624,364

> It  seems  that  I  set  up  one backup via system/preferences and the
> second  one  via the scheduler, though both appear in the scheduler. I
> assume  that  the  backups only override the previous one, so only the
> latest will be kept. Is that right or are there any settings as to how
> many versions are to be kept?

The  backup system is not smart although you can set it up any way you
want. A wise person would consider copying the entire mail database to
somewhere  else.  A winrar backup would do the trick. COpy the reg key
to the mail folder and it is doing everything the BAT backup is doing

I  have  had too many of them go corrupt and when that happens you are
SOL as it seems it is a proprietary format


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Re: Backup files

[MFPA]

Hi


On Thursday 9 January 2014 at 11:28:10 AM, in
, Leonard S. Berkowitz wrote:


> Thanks. I will have to mull that over.

I sometimes use a batch file to start TB!, and when I close TB! the
batch file goes on to back up my TB! registry key to a text file in my
TB! program directory, and to create a backup using 7-zip of both my
TB! program directory and my TB! mail directory.


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Re: Backup files

[Chris Wilson]

> Even though, within TheBat, a daily backup occurs, the backup file,
> C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\TheBat!\Autobackup.tbk\ is not being
> copied to my external backup device (a memory stick) at all. My system
> backup procedure has multiple tasks defined for every directory
> (folder) that I want to backup, including a task for the directory
> (folder) that contains Autobackup.TBK. Whew! That is a mouthful.

> Note that this backup file is located in TheBat! directory and not in
> the TheBat!\Backup directory. The TheBat!\Backup folder is, in fact,
> empty.

> Note also that in the TheBat! directory there is a series of files,
> Autobackup.$1, .$2, .$3, .$4 and $.5, each one larger than the
> previous one and each one with a later creation date starting in
> October, 2012 when I have work done on the computer through November,
> 2013.

> As far as I can tell, the backup for TheBat is:

> --Standard
> --No file name entered in the window for Backupfile

> So, while TheBat is being backed-up at one level, the backup is
> unprotected insofar as it is not copied to an external medium in the same
> way that all of my personal files are backed up. The task to backup
> TheBat! runs every night, but does not copy Autobackup.TBK to the
> external medium.

> My question is: why does my backup task not recognize that
> Autobackup.TBK is newer than the one on the backup medium. After all,
> it is recreated every night.

> (Once I solve this problem, I will probably come back to the list to
> ask for advice about the relative merit of Standard or Incremental
> backup.)

> Thanks for you patience in reading this long note.

> Leonard



09 January 2014


Since many TB! users are power users with huge databases it's sad that
TB!'s in built backup mechanism seems generally considered flawed and
unreliable. It cost me the loss of a lot of precious personal mail and
attachments recently. I now use a programme called Second Copy and
turn off TB!'s internal backup feature. I would say such an important
feature should be 100% reliable, or removed. When you need it you must
be able to rely on it!

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Re: Backup files

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Thursday, January 9, 2014, 5:34:42 AM, you (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote:

> I gave up on automatic backup of The Bat and use manual backup to the
> file that I nominate in My Documents. So my automatic backup of my
> data etc. works fine. (It has rescued me in the past.)


Thanks. I will have to mull that over.

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Re: Backup files

[Paul Berger]

Hello TBUDL@thebat.,

Thursday, January 9, 2014, 7:28:58 PM, you wrote:

LSB> Even though, within TheBat, a daily backup occurs, the backup file,
LSB> C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\TheBat!\Autobackup.tbk\ is not being
LSB> copied to my external backup device (a memory stick) at all. My system
LSB> backup procedure has multiple tasks defined for every directory
LSB> (folder) that I want to backup, including a task for the directory
LSB> (folder) that contains Autobackup.TBK. Whew! That is a mouthful.

LSB> Note that this backup file is located in TheBat! directory and not in
LSB> the TheBat!\Backup directory. The TheBat!\Backup folder is, in fact,
LSB> empty.

LSB> Note also that in the TheBat! directory there is a series of files,
LSB> Autobackup.$1, .$2, .$3, .$4 and $.5, each one larger than the
LSB> previous one and each one with a later creation date starting in
LSB> October, 2012 when I have work done on the computer through November,
LSB> 2013.

LSB> As far as I can tell, the backup for TheBat is:

LSB> --Standard
LSB> --No file name entered in the window for Backupfile

LSB> So, while TheBat is being backed-up at one level, the backup is
LSB> unprotected insofar as it is not copied to an external medium in the same
LSB> way that all of my personal files are backed up. The task to backup
LSB> TheBat! runs every night, but does not copy Autobackup.TBK to the
LSB> external medium.

LSB> My question is: why does my backup task not recognize that
LSB> Autobackup.TBK is newer than the one on the backup medium. After all,
LSB> it is recreated every night.

LSB> (Once I solve this problem, I will probably come back to the list to
LSB> ask for advice about the relative merit of Standard or Incremental
LSB> backup.)

LSB> Thanks for you patience in reading this long note.

LSB> Leonard



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file that I nominate in My Documents. So my automatic backup of my
data etc. works fine. (It has rescued me in the past.)


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Re: Backup; location timing; system impact

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Thursday, July 18, 2013, 2:00:09 AM, Paul Berger (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) 
wrote:

> I don’t use automatic backup, but you might look at:

> Options – Preferences – System – Auto backup

(My computer was in the shop -- sigh -- so I did not see this note
until tody).

Thanks, Paul. That answers one of my questions (when?). I hops someone can
comment on the performance hit that I have noticed.

So, how do you back-up TheBat?

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Re: Backup; location timing; system impact

[Paul Berger]

Hello TBUDL@thebat.,

Sunday, July 14, 2013, 11:02:20 PM, you wrote:

LSB> 1. I want to be sure my backup file is backed up to my flashdrive. In the
LSB> backup window, no file is listed. When I "browse" I am taken to TheBat
LSB> directory. There is one file, autobackup.$4 that was modified last
LSB> night at 7:05 pm. That is about when the backup finished. There is
LSB> also a file, autobackup.tbk that was modified at 7:06 two nights ago.
LSB> I assume that this is the previous backup file the was "flipped" when
LSB> last-night's backup started (or finished). Correct?

LSB> However, there are a couple of older files, autobackup.$3,
LSB> autobackup.$2 and autobackup.$1. Can these be deleted safely?

LSB> 2. I cannot find any place where I can set the time for the backup. Right
LSB> now, it is set for 7:00 pm (or when the computer wakes up after 7:00
LSB> pm). How can I change that.

LSB> 3. Finally, I have noticed that, when the backup is in progress, there is
LSB> a noticeable hit on system performance, about 25% CPU, based on a Task
LSB> Manager reading. Is that normal?

LSB> Thanks.



I don’t use automatic backup, but you might look at:

Options – Preferences – System – Auto backup



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Re: Backup

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Tuesday, September 11, 2012, 10:13:28 AM, RoelofOtten 
(tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote:

LB>> Will there be one or more messages that are in a "dirty state" and
LB>> will not be backed up?

> Mail collection will continue, but I'm not sure whether messages that
> are being received actually will end up in the backup. My guess is
> that messages that are destined for folders that aren't backupped yet,
> will be included in the backup, but messages that are destined for
> folders that were processed by the backup process will be ignored.

That's what I would have figured. I think that the first thing I need
to do is to schedule a back up at a time certain (certain = that I am
aware of what time it starts) and then see whether I can infer from
the backup file's attributes how long the process takes. Then I can
schedule theBat's back up and my separate back up in a way that will
have the least impact on users.

Many thanks for you comments.

Leonard

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Re: Backup

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Leonard,

On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:59:47 -0400GMT (11-9-2012, 15:59 , where I
live), you wrote:

LB> What happens if I am using theBat when the backup starts? Will it
LB> fail? or will the user hang until the backup compleres or gets beyond
LB> a ceratin pint?

The backup will run and TB will freeze.

LB> Will there be one or more messages that are in a "dirty state" and
LB> will not be backed up?

Mail collection will continue, but I'm not sure whether messages that
are being received actually will end up in the backup. My guess is
that messages that are destined for folders that aren't backupped yet,
will be included in the backup, but messages that are destined for
folders that were processed by the backup process will be ignored.

LB> And other negative effects?

Apart from the freezing I can't think of any negative effects.

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Re: Backup

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Tuesday, September 11, 2012, 7:35:56 AM, Roelof Otten 
(tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote:

LSB>> 2. Is there some way to run a backup more than once a day?

> Sure, but not with the auto backup. I'm using an event in the
> taskmanager to do my backups. You can set such an event to run every
> five minutes if you need that many backups. ;-)

Ha, ha!

Thinking more about the backup, to which I had not paid much
attention, I do have a way of having a second utility run a backup.

What happens if I am using theBat when the backup starts? Will it
fail? or will the user hang until the backup compleres or gets beyond
a ceratin pint? Will there be one or more messages that are in a
"dirty state" and will not be backed up? And other negative effects?

Leonard

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Re: Backup

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Leonard,

On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 04:54:05 -0400GMT (11-9-2012, 10:54 , where I
live), you wrote:

LSB> 1. It seems that the only thing that I can figure is where to keep the
LSB> backup itself. Is there anything else that I can control, like when
LSB> the backup is to run?

Last time I checked (but I haven't used the auto backup for a long
time), you could set the time of the backup, the recurrence (once
every x days) and what you'd like to backup.
It can all be set at:
 Options -> Preferences - > System -> Auto backup

LSB> 2. Is there some way to run a backup more than once a day?

Sure, but not with the auto backup. I'm using an event in the
taskmanager to do my backups. You can set such an event to run every
five minutes if you need that many backups. ;-)

LSB> 3. Is there any logging of the operation of a backup?

I'm not sure about that. TB does its logging account based and a
backup does multiple accounts.
When you're running an event that does your backups, you might add an
action that adds something to one of TB's account logs, or even in a
dedicated backup-log, but that's the only thing I can think of.


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Re: Backup

[Paul Berger]

Hello tb...@thebat.,

Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:29:46 AM, you wrote:

JK>  Test for On---
JK> On Sunday, January 24, 2010, at 4:49:03 AM, Tom wrote:

>> the normal backups are going back to my OS drive ( so the thinking is
>> that if the mail directory goes corrupt, I have backup - if the
>> OS drive goes bust, my mail directory is not affected. If both go
>> bust, at least I have the monthly backup on an external drive.

JK> That's good planning, but what protection do you have if your house burns
JK> down? A comprehensive backup plan should include off-site copies of the
JK> backup data, to provide for such disasters. Of course, should that happen,
JK> saving your mail might be the least of your worries! FWIW, I don't have
JK> off-site backups either...



Off-site backup:

If your backup of your data is not too big, then you can store extra
copies in your car, a spot near your letter box and on web sites that
offer storage (I use Humyo.com).

The backup file of The Bat is kept in my documents, so it is included
in the backup.

The documents are password protected, using an archiving program - I
use WinRAR. Also I exclude fat files like photos - these are kept
locally rather than on the net as we have slow upload here.

Flash drives are handy. CD and DVD can also help.

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Re: Backup

[Jim Kyle]

 Test for On---
On Sunday, January 24, 2010, at 4:49:03 AM, Tom wrote:

> the normal backups are going back to my OS drive ( so the thinking is
> that if the mail directory goes corrupt, I have backup - if the
> OS drive goes bust, my mail directory is not affected. If both go
> bust, at least I have the monthly backup on an external drive.

That's good planning, but what protection do you have if your house burns
down? A comprehensive backup plan should include off-site copies of the
backup data, to provide for such disasters. Of course, should that happen,
saving your mail might be the least of your worries! FWIW, I don't have
off-site backups either...

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Re: Backup

[Tom]

Sunday, January 24, 2010, 6:00:15 PM, you wrote:

> Hallo Tom,

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:32:23 +1100GMT (24-1-2010, 7:32 +0100, where I
> live), you wrote:

T>> My main mail folder is saved on an internal harddrive that does not
T>> carry the OS. So if my OS harddrive dies, my mail should be fine.
T>> I also do a scheduled backup via TB weekly with full backup of all
T>> accounts, addressbooks etc, ie all the options given.

> Just wondering. Where do you store those backups?

T>> I never had to reinstall my mail as so far TB has proven to be very
T>> reliable. I feel confident that with the above procedure my mail is
T>> safe, however I wonder about some of the other configs that I have
T>> created with lots of testing and patience, in particular my templates.
T>> Where exactly are they stored and can they be backed up? I previously
T>> was told that I cannot export them but is there a folder somewhere
T>> that keeps all of them so that in case of a new installation I could
T>> cut/paste this folder into the new installation?

> Those are stored within your backups, so no need to worry about that.


Roelof,

the normal backups are going back to my OS drive ( so the thinking is
that if the mail directory goes corrupt, I have backup - if the
OS drive goes bust, my mail directory is not affected. If both go
bust, at least I have the monthly backup on an external drive.

As for the scheduled backup containing the templates etc, it's good to
hear that. I have never done a reinstallation from these backups -
only tried it once with voyager and that was a complete mess. 


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Re: Backup

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Tom,

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:32:23 +1100GMT (24-1-2010, 7:32 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

T> My main mail folder is saved on an internal harddrive that does not
T> carry the OS. So if my OS harddrive dies, my mail should be fine.
T> I also do a scheduled backup via TB weekly with full backup of all
T> accounts, addressbooks etc, ie all the options given.

Just wondering. Where do you store those backups?

T> I never had to reinstall my mail as so far TB has proven to be very
T> reliable. I feel confident that with the above procedure my mail is
T> safe, however I wonder about some of the other configs that I have
T> created with lots of testing and patience, in particular my templates.
T> Where exactly are they stored and can they be backed up? I previously
T> was told that I cannot export them but is there a folder somewhere
T> that keeps all of them so that in case of a new installation I could
T> cut/paste this folder into the new installation?

Those are stored within your backups, so no need to worry about that.

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Re: Backup progress window

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Jos,

Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 3:09:37 PM, you wrote:

JK> Hello Jack,

JK> Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 4:03:16 PM, you wrote:

JSL>> I appreciate your suggestion but I'll probably just abandon the idea
JSL>> of automatic or scheduled TB! backups as I manually backup the entire
JSL>> C: drive to the F: drive using Acronis every Saturday. In addition, I
JSL>> also subscribe to Carbonite which automatically (in the background)
JSL>> keeps my entire C: drive backed up off-site in real time.

JK> Everybody his own system . Here once a week with Drive Image C: to
JK> another partition and My Documents, including backups of some programs, on
JK> a DVD-RW.

JSL>> I'm a little concerned however about your mention of your backup being
JSL>> called ab.tbk. IIRC "ab" stands for address book. Are you sure you're
JSL>> backing up everything in TB! or is it just the address book?

JK> Thanks for your concern, but it is a backup of _everything_in The Bat! I
JK> think here ab stands for automatic backup, but I don't remember if that
JK> was my or Schedulers choice...

Oh jeeez! That, of course, never occurred to me. I can only refer back
to my earlier comment about hiding my own Easter eggs. :GP:

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Re: Backup progress window

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Jos,

Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 12:55:50 PM, you wrote:

JK> Hello Jack,

JK> Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 6:37:35 PM, you wrote:

RO>>> BTW2 No, it isn't possible to start TB's autobackup manually, though
RO>>> it appears to be possible to change the time it starts to something
RO>>> sooner.

JSL>> I tried this by setting the days counter to the minimum (1 day) and
JSL>> setting the time to now+2 minutes. Sure enough, the autobackup started
JSL>> in a couple of minutes, ran to completion and stored the
JSL>> autobackup.tbk file on the F: drive as specified in the default
JSL>>  filename OPTIONS>PREFERENCES>SYSTEM>AUTOBACKUP>ADVANCED but again,
JSL>>  without the date/time embedded in the filename.

JK> When it is a task in the Scheduler, right click and 'Execute task now'.

JK> Here, autobackup with notification made in the Scheduler, the filename is
JK> just ab.tbk. But when I point at this file there is a pop up with date and
JK> size.

I appreciate your suggestion but I'll probably just abandon the idea
of automatic or scheduled TB! backups as I manually backup the entire
C: drive to the F: drive using Acronis every Saturday. In addition, I
also subscribe to Carbonite which automatically (in the background)
keeps my entire C: drive backed up off-site in real time.

I'm a little concerned however about your mention of your backup being
called ab.tbk. IIRC "ab" stands for address book. Are you sure you're
backing up everything in TB! or is it just the address book?


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Re: Backup progress window

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Roelof,

Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 5:03:36 AM, you wrote:

RO> Hallo Jack,

RO> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:12:06 -0500GMT (2-6-2008, 14:12 +0200, where I
RO> live), you wrote:

JSL>> I'd like to experiment with this file naming protocol and find out
JSL>> where the last backup went. Is there a way to manually start TB!'s
JSL>> backup at will?

RO> How big was your last saved backup and much free space have you got on
RO> the drive where you store your backups? And much free space have got
RO> left on the drive where your temp directory is stored?

No problem with file size or available disk space. I did a search and
found the file "autobackup.tbk" in the C:\Program Files\The Bat!\MAIL
folder with an OS timestamp of 5/31 @ 08:11 which is about
the time/date I remember the last autobackup occurring. Why it landed
in that location is a mystery.

RO> In the past it wasn't possible to use macros in the name of the
RO> autobackup, has that been changed? That was the reason that I didn't
RO> use the autobackup feature but still used my own scheduled backup
RO> that allowed for macros in the name.

As you can see in a previous paragraph the filename created by TB! is
simply autobackup.tbk without any embedded date/time in the filename
as it appears in OPTIONS>PREFERENCES>SYSTEM>AUTOBACKUP>ADVANCED.

RO> BTW2 No, it isn't possible to start TB's autobackup manually, though
RO> it appears to be possible to change the time it starts to something
RO> sooner.

I tried this by setting the days counter to the minimum (1 day) and
setting the time to now+2 minutes. Sure enough, the autobackup started
in a couple of minutes, ran to completion and stored the
autobackup.tbk file on the F: drive as specified in the default
 filename OPTIONS>PREFERENCES>SYSTEM>AUTOBACKUP>ADVANCED but again,
 without the date/time embedded in the filename.

 I next tried a *manual* backup as suggested by Paul in a previous reply
 using as a filename the one displayed in
  OPTIONS>PREFERENCES>SYSTEM>AUTOBACKUP>ADVANCED which is
  F:\autobackup-%DATE(-mm-dd)-%TIME(hh-mm-ss).tbk. That produced a
  .tbk file on the F: drive called exactly
  "F:\autobackup-%DATE(-mm-dd)-%TIME(hh-mm-ss).tbk".  My head is
  starting to hurt.

 I think in light of all that I have learned from this thread I'll
 just cancel the scheduled backup and start it manually from the TOOLS
 menu as Paul suggested.

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Re: Backup progress window

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Paul,

Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 3:37:36 PM, you wrote:

-- snip -

JSL>> I'd like to experiment with this file naming protocol and find out
JSL>> where the last backup went. Is there a way to manually start TB!'s
JSL>> backup at will?

-- snip -


PB> While you await an expert reply, I do manual backups using:

PB> Tools

PB> Backup

PB> Browse for file etc.

PB> Select all accounts

PB> OK

DOH!

Thanks Paul. I have been using TB! trouble free for so many years I'd
forgotten to even look for a problem solution in the menus. I think
I'm reaching the point in life where I can hide my own Easter eggs.

The steps you suggest should of course produce a backup with a filename
created by me. However, the *default* auto-backup filename shown in:

OPTIONS
PREFERENCES
SYSTEM
AUTO BACKUP
ADVANCED

seems to contain macro commands which should produce a backup filename
containing the current date/time. As you'll see in a subsequent reply
from Roelof, he suggests manually starting the auto-backup by changing
the start time of the auto-backup to a close point in the future.
Perhaps a minute or two - something I'll try shortly.


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Re: Backup progress window

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Jack,

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:12:06 -0500GMT (2-6-2008, 14:12 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

JSL> I'd like to experiment with this file naming protocol and find out
JSL> where the last backup went. Is there a way to manually start TB!'s
JSL> backup at will?

How big was your last saved backup and much free space have you got on
the drive where you store your backups? And much free space have got
left on the drive where your temp directory is stored?

In the past it wasn't possible to use macros in the name of the
autobackup, has that been changed? That was the reason that I didn't
use the autobackup feature but still used my own scheduled backup
that allowed for macros in the name.

BTW Searching for the files is rather easy, just search for the .tbk
extension.

BTW2 No, it isn't possible to start TB's autobackup manually, though
it appears to be possible to change the time it starts to something
sooner.

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Re: Backup progress window

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Dwight,

Sunday, June 1, 2008, 4:43:05 PM, you wrote:

DC> On Sunday, June 1, 2008, 3:46:35 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

>> What won't work? Reading mail? Are you confirming the machine is
>> essentially locked during the backup?

DC> No. The machine isn't tied up at all. You just can't get the bat do do
DC> a backup and do other things at the same time. Makes sense to me. 

OK. Thank you Dwight and Roelof for the information. I never tried to
do anything else with the machine except work in TB while the backup
was in progress.

Now, if I may beg the audience's indulgence again on this topic - I
currently have the "standard" backup (not an 'update' backup)
configured to create a backup file called
F:\autobackup-%DATE(-mm-dd)-%TIME(hh-mm-ss).tbk. I assume this
would cause a backup file to be created with the filename
F:\autobackup-2008-06-02-xx-xx-xx.tbk with the Xs replaced with the
time of creation. My F: drive holds all of my machine's backups.
Because of this discussion I looked at my F: drive and noticed that
the most recent TB! backup file was named: F:\autobackup.tbk with an
OS timestamp of 03/25/2008. The backup which caused me to start this
discussion was run a couple of weeks ago and was allowed to run to
completion. But where did it go? And as you can see, the last backup
file is called simply autobackup.tbk without any time/date info as
part of the filename.

I'd like to experiment with this file naming protocol and find out
where the last backup went. Is there a way to manually start TB!'s
backup at will?


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Re: Backup progress window

[Dwight Corrin]

On Sunday, June 1, 2008, 3:46:35 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> What won't work? Reading mail? Are you confirming the machine is
> essentially locked during the backup?

No. The machine isn't tied up at all. You just can't get the bat do do
a backup and do other things at the same time. Makes sense to me. 

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Re: Backup progress window

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Jack,

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:46:35 -0500GMT (1-6-2008, 22:46 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

S>>> Haven't tried to read mail or something at the time of the backup,
S>>> though.
RO>> That won't work.
JSL> What won't work? Reading mail? Are you confirming the machine is
JSL> essentially locked during the backup?

Using TB won't work during backup. The computer isn't locked, just TB.

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Re: Backup progress window

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Roelof,

Sunday, June 1, 2008, 3:39:20 PM, you wrote:

RO> Hallo simbabque,

RO> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:07:49 +0200GMT (1-6-2008, 22:07 +0200, where I
RO> live), you wrote:

S>> Haven't tried to read mail or something at the time of the backup,
S>> though.

RO> That won't work.


What won't work? Reading mail? Are you confirming the machine is
essentially locked during the backup?

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Re: Backup progress window

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo simbabque,

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:07:49 +0200GMT (1-6-2008, 22:07 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

S> Haven't tried to read mail or something at the time of the backup,
S> though.

That won't work.

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Re: Backup progress window

[simbabque]

Hello Jack,

Saturday, May 31, 2008, 11:38:59 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> True, I could do that except that when the backup is running, you can't
> do anything else. There's no way that I can see to make the backup run
> in the background while you use the computer for other tasks.

I cannot confirm that. I have my weekly backup set to Saturday
afternoon. Most of the time it occurs when I play World of Warcraft
(in windowed fullscreen mode, so the game is basically another window,
just without a frame). I get startled because the backup window is in front
of my game, hammer lots of keys into the backup window instead of
healing some poor guy and then realise what happens. I can just click
into my game and the backup goes into the background. No problem here.
I guess that should be possible with other windows as well.

Haven't tried to read mail or something at the time of the backup,
though.

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Re: Backup progress window

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Dwight,

Saturday, May 31, 2008, 8:46:31 AM, you wrote:

DAC> On Saturday, May 31, 2008, 8:37:39 AM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

>> Is there a way to minimize the window during the backup so I can
>> continue handling my emails or do I just have to make sure TB! is
>> running every 4th day @ 0230hrs?

DAC> there is a 3d option. You can  choose a time when the computer will be
DAC> running, so that you continue to have control over when it happens.


True, I could do that except that when the backup is running, you can't
do anything else. There's no way that I can see to make the backup run
in the background while you use the computer for other tasks.

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Re: Backup progress window

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Saturday, May 31, 2008, 8:37:39 AM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> Is there a way to minimize the window during the backup so I can
> continue handling my emails or do I just have to make sure TB! is
> running every 4th day @ 0230hrs?

there is a 3d option. You can  choose a time when the computer will be 
running, so that you continue to have control over when it happens.

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Re: Backup problem

[Peter Meyns]

Am 12.03.2008 17:33 schrieb Alberto Almagioni:

> I'm having a problem with and old scheduled backup.
> 
>  ...
> 
>  Now I'm having this problem: every time the scheduled backup tries to
>  write the tbk file in D:\mail, even if I changed all the scheduled
>  works.
>  I guess somewhere the old path is still written but I cannot find
>  it.
>  Can anyone help me?

Yes, it is in the registry. Run regedit.exe and select
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!. Scroll down to "Last backup
path". Delete or alter the entry.

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Re: Backup Query

[Tom]

Friday, February 8, 2008, 11:13:18 PM, you wrote:

> Hallo Tom,

> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:00:45 +1100GMT (8-2-2008, 13:00 +0100, where I
> live), you wrote:

T>> On the other hand, you say that if i were to put my mail
T>> directory on a separate drive when doing a new installation, an import
T>> via tbk would fail?

> Yes. Unless it has been changed and I didn't notice that. 

thanks for that - in that case I better write down the exact path to
have the option to match it in future. I notice that each time when I
do a new installation there may be slight variations as to which
account name I use for XP. If my pc dies, I am not sure if I could
remember the full path correctly. I guess it's good then to have a full back
up of the mail directory too.

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Re: Backup Query

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Tom,

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:00:45 +1100GMT (8-2-2008, 13:00 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

T> On the other hand, you say that if i were to put my mail
T> directory on a separate drive when doing a new installation, an import
T> via tbk would fail?

Yes. Unless it has been changed and I didn't notice that. 

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Re: Backup Query

[Tom]

Friday, February 8, 2008, 7:42:26 PM, you wrote:


T>> I never used the ..tbk file to restore and I am just curious what the
T>> difference is between backing up via ...tbk file or via saving the
T>> mail directory? Any advantages or disadvantage of one over the other?

> Disadvantage is that you can only restore to the same path

Right now my TB installation is the default one with the mail
directory under application data on the default drive.  So assuming I
had to do a reinstall and chose the default set up, TBK import should
work fine. On the other hand, you say that if i were to put my mail
directory on a separate drive when doing a new installation, an import
via tbk would fail?

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Re: Backup Query

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Tom,

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:41:59 +1100GMT (8-2-2008, 7:41 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

T> I never used the ..tbk file to restore and I am just curious what the
T> difference is between backing up via ...tbk file or via saving the
T> mail directory? Any advantages or disadvantage of one over the other?

With .tbk you include preferences and registration info (stuff that's
stored in the registry, not on disk) Also restoring the address book
compresses it (deleting entries from the AB means that they're marked
as deleted, they'll stay in the file, but when you backup they won't
be included.)
Disadvantage is that you can only restore to the same path and that
.tbk currently doesn't copy the upload manager and address history
yet. Nor will it backup any files that aren't regular TB files (my
cookies are stored in a text file in my mail directory, but it won't
be included in my backup)

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Re: Backup Query

[Tom]

Wednesday, November 7, 2007, 7:31:50 PM, you wrote:

> Hallo Tom,

> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:06:21 +1100GMT (7-11-2007, 8:06 +0100, where I
> live), you wrote:

T hmmm, I don't seem to see any .qtn files on my harddrive?
>>> Are you using OTFE? In that case they're stored in account.etn files.
T>> Not sure what OTFE means - I am using the Home edition and cannot find
T>> any .etn files either.

> OTFE = On The Fly Encryption: an encrypted message base, a feature of
> the pro edition.

> When you haven't got any account.qtn files on your harddrive, the the
> only conclusion I can reach is that you haven't got any quick
> templates.


sorry Roelof - my mistake - I do have dozens of QT and using them
really simplifies my life. My search for the files was wrong, using
?.qtn did not show a result - should have used * instead. I found them
now in the same application data folder as the rest of the stuff.


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Re: Backup Query

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Tom,

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:06:21 +1100GMT (7-11-2007, 8:06 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

T>>> hmmm, I don't seem to see any .qtn files on my harddrive?
>> Are you using OTFE? In that case they're stored in account.etn files.
T> Not sure what OTFE means - I am using the Home edition and cannot find
T> any .etn files either.

OTFE = On The Fly Encryption: an encrypted message base, a feature of
the pro edition.

When you haven't got any account.qtn files on your harddrive, the the
only conclusion I can reach is that you haven't got any quick
templates.

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Re: Backup Query

[Tom]

Monday, November 5, 2007, 6:04:09 PM, you wrote:


T>> hmmm, I don't seem to see any .qtn files on my harddrive?

> Are you using OTFE? In that case they're stored in account.etn files.

Not sure what OTFE means - I am using the Home edition and cannot find
any .etn files either.


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Re: Backup Query

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Tom,

On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:39:08 +1100GMT (5-11-2007, 7:39 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

>> QTs are included with all of that. My guess is that they're part of
>> 'account properties' as they're account specific. On disk they're
>> stored in the account.qtn files.

T> hmmm, I don't seem to see any .qtn files on my harddrive?

Are you using OTFE? In that case they're stored in account.etn files.

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Re: Backup Query

[Tom]

Sunday, November 4, 2007, 6:05:49 PM, you wrote:

> QTs are included with all of that. My guess is that they're part of
> 'account properties' as they're account specific. On disk they're
> stored in the account.qtn files.

hmmm, I don't seem to see any .qtn files on my harddrive?




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Re: Backup Query

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Tom,

On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 14:14:33 +1100GMT (4-11-2007, 4:14 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

T> I have scheduled a weekly backup and include Acc. Properties, Folders,
T> Address Books, Global Options and Attachments.

That's what I do too.

T> a) do I need to backup quick templates separately or are they included
T> in one of the above headings? Where would I find my current QT?

QTs are included with all of that. My guess is that they're part of
'account properties' as they're account specific. On disk they're
stored in the account.qtn files.

T> b) as mentioned I never had to use a backup but my harddrive now
T> contains 2 dozen tbk files of increasing size. Assuming I don't notice
T> a sudden unexplained drop in file size, is there any reason not to
T> delete older backups?

Not that I can think of. I've been doing for that ages.

BTW I've my .tbk files twice. Once for switching to OTFE and once for
installing Voyager.

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Re: backup error - corrupt index or ... ?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo mark,

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:11:10 -0500GMT (11-2-2007, 22:11 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

MD> my next step is to let the backup continue and do a test restore
MD> to determine what, if anything, is wrong with the restored messages.

As long as you make a copy of your current mail directory that looks
like a good option to me.

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Re: backup error - corrupt index or ... ?

[mark davidson]

hi roelof,

message from roelof otten created on 2/10/2007 follows ...

> First thing you do is create a new folder and copy all messages for
> your faulty folder to the new one.
> Check whether all messages have really been copied, if so delete all
> messages in the faulty folder and compress it. That ought to to take
> care of things. (You could delete the messages.tbb and .tbi from the
> defunct folder.)
> In case not all messages are copied, close TB and move the
> messages.tbb from that folder to a safe place, you can delete the
> messages.tbi Now start TB again. Try to import the messages from your
> moved messages.tbb file.

i tried the above steps multiple times but TB backup pops up the same error 
message as it processes that inbox each and every time.  lacking any ideas of 
my own, my next step is to let the backup continue and do a test restore to 
determine what, if anything, is wrong with the restored messages.

apart from keeping a safe copy of the messages.tbb file to import from if 
necessary, i don't know what else to try.

thanks/regards, .. mark davidson

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Re: backup error - corrupt index or ... ?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo mark,

On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:58:43 -0500GMT (11-2-2007, 0:58 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

MD> i'm seeing an error during backup ... same inbox every time.  

MD> TB pops up a message indicating it might be a problem with the
MD> index with an instruction to delete  the index and reload TB to
MD> recreate the index.  i did this several times without success ...
MD> the error repeats on every backup.  

First thing you do is create a new folder and copy all messages for
your faulty folder to the new one.
Check whether all messages have really been copied, if so delete all
messages in the faulty folder and compress it. That ought to to take
care of things. (You could delete the messages.tbb and .tbi from the
defunct folder.)
In case not all messages are copied, close TB and move the
messages.tbb from that folder to a safe place, you can delete the
messages.tbi Now start TB again. Try to import the messages from your
moved messages.tbb file.

And in case you're using OTFE the messages.tbb and .tbi files have an
.ebb and .ebi extension.


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Re: Backup and Address Books

[Mark Partous]

Hello Mike,

Friday, January 26, 2007, 7:13:43 AM, you wrote:

MG> I regularly use the backup utility of The Bat! to backup my mail files.

MG> What's annoying is that every time I must re-select which address books I 
want to back up.

MG> Why does the utility not give me the option of setting the address book 
backup defaults?

My backups [one of them is the entire TB-directory] are done automatically
with Second Copy www.secondcopy.com.  Reliable and very easy to set up.

But if you do not want to spend some money on it, there are freeware 
alternatives too:
http://www.2brightsparks.com/freeware/freeware-hub.html

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Re: Backup and Address Books

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Loek,

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:27:10 +0100GMT (26-1-2007, 12:27 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

LVK> Let's see if this works. 

Yes

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Re: Backup and Address Books

[Akebono Translation Service]

Dear Roelof,

> Please don't leave out the trailing space of your cutsign. After all
> you've a rather substantial signature. A correct signature delimiter
> is: dash dash space enter

I made a few changes recently and changed the signature into a Quick Template 
(in which it is impossible to spot whether a trailing space is for real or not).

Let's see if this works. 

Best regards,

Loek van Kooten

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Re: Backup and Address Books

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Loek,

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:17:08 +0100GMT (26-1-2007, 7:17 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

>> I regularly use the backup utility of The Bat! to backup my mail files.
>> What's annoying is that every time I must re-select which address books I 
>> want to back up.

LVK> I *think* the last selection is automatically remembered if you
LVK> back-up using the scheduler,

I think the same, but then I deleted all those extra address books in
my setup.

LVK> --

Please don't leave out the trailing space of your cutsign. After all
you've a rather substantial signature. A correct signature delimiter
is: dash dash space enter

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Re: Backup and Address Books

[Akebono Translation Service]

Dear Mike,

> I regularly use the backup utility of The Bat! to backup my mail files.
> What's annoying is that every time I must re-select which address books I 
> want to back up.

I *think* the last selection is automatically remembered if you back-up using 
the scheduler, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong. 

Best regards,

Loek van Kooten

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Re: backup cannot write

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> I have another program (Vice Versa Pro) which regularly backups up all
> my data (including the Bat!) every night to alternating storage
> locations. But I've had some problems in the past getting Bat! to
> recognize all the folders and see all the messages when I simply copy
> back without using the restore function.

Simply copying back will not work if we do not understand entire
mechanism (or the parts involved), of how the both (various) backup
programs and TBat work.

For instance, in the file Account.flx (dwelling in an account folder)
are names and the order of all the folders of the given account. So, if
we simply copy (just) some folder back, with related message database
(the file Messages.tbb), and this folder is not (for any reasons) listed
in the Account.flx, then TBat will not be able to recognize it.

And so on.

> Also, I use the backup/restore function as a crude means of
> synchronizing with my laptop as the synchronization feature does not
> work in Abascusbat.

Well, might be that sometimes is better to stick to TBat's internal
backup/restore machine, than to get into something new/else, even if
this is more effective and safer. It's quite okay and it mostly works
quite fine, and stresslessly.

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Re: backup cannot write

[Mary Jensen]

MJ>> I'm using the 1.63 version of bat! in Abacus law program. About a 
MJ>> week ago, I suddenly cannot backup.  Every time it hangs partway 
MJ>> through saying cannot write [backupfilename]. 

>Check whether you've got enough diskspace for a full backup. >You're 
>describing what happened to me and I had run out of disk space. 

I've checked that too.  Its a large drive with about 30 gb of
free space.

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Re: backup cannot write

[Mary Jensen]

>> Any idea other than checking the maintenance log (I already did that)
>> on how to figure out which of my 700+ folders is the problem or how to
>> fix the problem?
>
>How to fix the problem is what I choose, this time.
>
>Do it (the backup) using some other, separate, program. 

I have another program (Vice Versa Pro) which regularly backups up all my data 
(including the Bat!) every night to alternating storage locations.  But I've 
had some problems in the past getting Bat! to
recognize all the folders and see all the messages when I simply copy back 
without using the restore function.  Also, I use the
backup/restore function as a crude means of synchronizing with
my laptop as the synchronization feature does not work in 
Abascusbat.

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Re: backup cannot write

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Mary,

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 10:08:12 -0700GMT (24-9-2006, 19:08 , where I
live), you wrote:

MJ> I'm using the 1.63 version of bat! in Abacus law program. About a
MJ> week ago, I suddenly cannot backup.  Every time it hangs partway
MJ> through saying cannot write [backupfilename].

Check whether you've got enough diskspace for a full backup. You're
describing what happened to me and I had run out of disk space.

-- 
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Re: backup cannot write

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> Any idea other than checking the maintenance log (I already did that)
> on how to figure out which of my 700+ folders is the problem or how to
> fix the problem?

How to fix the problem is what I choose, this time.

Do it (the backup) using some other, separate, program. It is simplest,
fastest and safest way (particularly if we deal with lots of folders; I
have near to 400 of them).

You can simply compress/archive the whole your \Mail folder (using
WinZip or any other archiving program - PowerArchiver 2001 is free for
instance and very good, writing and reading numerous archive formats),
or you can use a standalone backup program as My Own Backup v2.1 is,
also freeware.

They all "will write" always, no matter what happens with TBat,
internally, and will always be able to expand back the backup they make.

Besides, there are even more good reasons why to do that this way, but
basically they all could be reduced to the one: TB is a mailer, but is
not a backup machine, or encrypting software and so on.

The more "side" functions is built-in in a software with the basic
designated function, the more chances are that they will get in
collision, or "confused" one by another.

This way of backing up using standalone backup programs is even more
significant if we deal with lots of mail and besides a such one we
consider as valuable (be that some work and some "official"
documentation, or something else).

   *

And, for the end, let me quote the famous and unfathomable Hammer Von
Troll: "It's not that sad when backup cannot write as it is when backup
cannot read."

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Re: Backup filters

[Peter Fjelsten]

Roelof,

On 18-01-2006 23:38, you [RO] wrote in
:
PF>>  How do I back up my filters and move them to another location/Bat
PF>>  installation?

PF>>  Global Options? What _is_ this?

RO> They're backupped either with account properties or global options in
RO> the backup menu, but I think with account properties as they are
RO> account specific.

OK.

RO> I think that global options backups Options -> Preferences

Ah.

Maybe I should just copy the actual filter files.

Thanks.

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Re: Backup filters

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Peter,

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:11:52 +0100GMT (18-1-2006, 21:11 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

PF>  How do I back up my filters and move them to another location/Bat
PF>  installation?

PF>  Global Options? What _is_ this?

They're backupped either with account properties or global options in
the backup menu, but I think with account properties as they are
account specific.
I think that global options backups Options -> Preferences

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Re: Backup compatibillity between v3.5 & v2.12, servermode compatibillity between different version of "the bats" and more...

[qe3ee]

Hello wonderful Roelof Otten,

den 29 augusti 2005, 18:25:00, du skrev:

RO> Hallo qe3ee,

RO> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:36:18 +0200GMT (29-8-2005, 17:36 +0200, where I
RO> live), you wrote:

Q>>   1.
Q>>   Are  there  compatibillity  issues   to consider between backups from the 
bat
Q>>   v3.15.10 and the bat v2.12.04?

RO> (Presuming that you're meaning 3.51.10)
RO> Could be possible, as v3 is using file types that v2 didn't use and
RO> doesn't make copies of the matching v2 files. And as v2 doesn't know
RO> them yet, it can't convert them.

Q>>   -Or should I just install the v2.12.04 over the v3.51.10?

RO> Same problem. The actual message base can still be used, but the
RO> sorting office and account properties are lost.

Q>>   I  might  not purchase a businesslicense of the bat v3.5 right now, thats 
why
Q>>   this   i   important   to know.

RO> Apart from the things mentioned above, v2 doesn't know what to do with
RO> v3's encrypted message base.

Q>>   2.
Q>>   When operating the bat in servermode as a server for other e-mail clients 
are
Q>>   there  compatibillity  issues  between different verions of the bat if I 
lets
Q>>   say   use   a   the   bat  v2.12.04  as  a mail server, and others are  
using
Q>>   thunderbird  (versions  are   unknown to me), becky  (versions are 
unknown to
Q>>   me)  or  the  bat  v1.6,  v2.12 or v3.51?

RO> TB only works in 'server mode' for other copies of TB of the same main
RO> version. This has to do with the changing file types for account
RO> properties, folder properties and sorting office for the various
RO> versions.
RO> TB doesn't do server mode for other mail clients, as its server mode
RO> is merely message base sharing between multiple copies of TB.

Q>>   3.
Q>>   May the bat work simultaneous as non-TCP/IP based mailserver and TCP/IP 
based
Q>>   mailserver?

RO> TB doesn't work as non TCP/IP based mail server. TB's server mode
RO> requires TCP/IP as the server instance needs to connect to the
RO> internet.

Q>>   4.
Q>>   -How well does the bat work in a VPN, as server?  (preferably my old 
licenses
Q>>   for v1.6 and v2.12) Any drawbacks with IPSec?

RO> AFAIK TB doesn't care about the network connection you're using to
RO> make the various TB instances connect to their shared message base.

Q>>   (Myownexperiencescomes  from  using  the  bat v1.3  to  v2.12 
 in
Q>>   standalone workstation mode with TCP/IP)

RO> Those two versions won't work together at all, as v1.3 used a
RO> different message base format (that changed somewhere in the v1.4/v1.5
RO> time.
 
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Re: Backup compatibillity between v3.5 & v2.12, servermode compatibillity between different version of "the bats" and more...

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo qe3ee,

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:36:18 +0200GMT (29-8-2005, 17:36 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

Q>   1.
Q>   Are  there  compatibillity  issues   to consider between backups from the 
bat
Q>   v3.15.10 and the bat v2.12.04?

(Presuming that you're meaning 3.51.10)
Could be possible, as v3 is using file types that v2 didn't use and
doesn't make copies of the matching v2 files. And as v2 doesn't know
them yet, it can't convert them.

Q>   -Or should I just install the v2.12.04 over the v3.51.10?

Same problem. The actual message base can still be used, but the
sorting office and account properties are lost.

Q>   I  might  not purchase a businesslicense of the bat v3.5 right now, thats 
why
Q>   this   i   important   to know.

Apart from the things mentioned above, v2 doesn't know what to do with
v3's encrypted message base.

Q>   2.
Q>   When operating the bat in servermode as a server for other e-mail clients 
are
Q>   there  compatibillity  issues  between different verions of the bat if I 
lets
Q>   say   use   a   the   bat  v2.12.04  as  a mail server, and others are  
using
Q>   thunderbird  (versions  are   unknown to me), becky  (versions are unknown 
to
Q>   me)  or  the  bat  v1.6,  v2.12 or v3.51?

TB only works in 'server mode' for other copies of TB of the same main
version. This has to do with the changing file types for account
properties, folder properties and sorting office for the various
versions.
TB doesn't do server mode for other mail clients, as its server mode
is merely message base sharing between multiple copies of TB.

Q>   3.
Q>   May the bat work simultaneous as non-TCP/IP based mailserver and TCP/IP 
based
Q>   mailserver?

TB doesn't work as non TCP/IP based mail server. TB's server mode
requires TCP/IP as the server instance needs to connect to the
internet.

Q>   4.
Q>   -How well does the bat work in a VPN, as server?  (preferably my old 
licenses
Q>   for v1.6 and v2.12) Any drawbacks with IPSec?

AFAIK TB doesn't care about the network connection you're using to
make the various TB instances connect to their shared message base.

Q>   (Myownexperiencescomes  from  using  the  bat v1.3  to  v2.12  
in
Q>   standalone workstation mode with TCP/IP)

Those two versions won't work together at all, as v1.3 used a
different message base format (that changed somewhere in the v1.4/v1.5
time.

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Re: Backup Hangs

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Maurice,

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:19:09 +0200GMT (19-7-2005, 18:19 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

MM> What is extremely curious however, is the strange behavior, which
MM> greys out 'Maintenance' in the Folder menu, whenever I highlight the
MM> name of a given account e.g. Main Identity.

That's a bug, it's fixed in the latest beta. (That means, I can't
reproduce it.)

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Re: Backup Hangs

[Mary Bull]

Hello Maurice!

On Tuesday, July 19, 2005, 11:19 AM, you wrote:

> I have just attempted another backup, this time disabling (in the
> 'What to backup' menu) Attachment Files - it worked !

Oh, good! Now you have time to hunt the offending sub-file at your
leisure. F-Secure never would say specifically which message it was
choking on, so I couldn't delete it with WinExplorer.

That's why I just archived the whole thing and moved it out of the TB!
directory. Not likely I'll be wanting to do a search in TBOT, and if I
do, I could probably do some sort of Windows Search for the Subject or
Sender.

> What is extremely curious however, is the strange behavior, which
> greys out 'Maintenance' in the Folder menu, whenever I highlight the
> name of a given account e.g. Main Identity.
> But, when I highlight individual folders e.g. 'Inbox' 'Sent' etc
> 'Maintenance' is suddenly accessible.

Yes, that is extremely strange. Someone more familiar than I am with
the ways of The Bat! will have to be the one to comment on this
further.

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Re: Backup Hangs

[Maurice McAdam]

Hello Mary,

you wrote:
 
>> But I never do an "add-to" backup - always a full one from scratch.
>> It seems strange that TB would go looking for the file again...

MB> This happened to me. F-Secure flagged a double-extension as a virus
MB> which it said it couldn't clean or delete, in my enormous TBOT folder.
MB> Happened last year.

MB> The only way I found to deal with it was to move all the messages to
MB> a new folder and delete the old TBOT folder.

MB> Then I moved the TBOT archive outside of The Bat! and made myself a
MB> new TBOT folder.

MB> Of course, TBOT isn't anything essential to my life, just only
MB> pleasant diversions in pleasant company.

MB> Not sure how much this would apply to your attachment "hang"
MB> situation, but thought I'd throw it into the mix, here, in case it
MB> would help.

Thank you for your input. I will think on it.

I have just attempted another backup, this time disabling (in the
'What to backup' menu) Attachment Files - it worked !

What is extremely curious however, is the strange behavior, which
greys out 'Maintenance' in the Folder menu, whenever I highlight the
name of a given account e.g. Main Identity.
But, when I highlight individual folders e.g. 'Inbox' 'Sent' etc
'Maintenance' is suddenly accessible.

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Re: Backup Hangs

[Mary Bull]

Hello Maurice!

On Tuesday, July 19, 2005, 7:55 AM, you wrote:

> But I never do an "add-to" backup - always a full one from scratch.
> It seems strange that TB would go looking for the file again...

This happened to me. F-Secure flagged a double-extension as a virus
which it said it couldn't clean or delete, in my enormous TBOT folder.
Happened last year.

The only way I found to deal with it was to move all the messages to
a new folder and delete the old TBOT folder.

Then I moved the TBOT archive outside of The Bat! and made myself a
new TBOT folder.

Of course, TBOT isn't anything essential to my life, just only
pleasant diversions in pleasant company.

Not sure how much this would apply to your attachment "hang"
situation, but thought I'd throw it into the mix, here, in case it
would help.

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Re: Backup Hangs

[Maurice McAdam]

Hello Roelof,

you wrote:

MM Even after doing a re-install, and opting for "Repair" I continue to
MM get the message "Thread error. Access refused (5)". I have removed the

RO>>> Is it possible that you've got a virus infected document among your
RO>>> attachments?

MM>> Have just scanned all attachments with AVG - all clean.
MM>> Any other suggestions?

RO> Did you maybe delete one of your attachments while TB thinks it should
RO> still be present? I presume that you're keeping your attachments in a
RO> separate directory.

Actually now that you mention it, AVG had flagged a suspect virus (a
file with a double extension, it said). I do remember deleting that
file with Windows Explorer.
But I never do an "add-to" backup - always a full one from scratch.
It seems strange that TB would go looking for the file again...

MM>> BTW, yesterday I did use a program mentioned on the Langa List, to
MM>> clean out temp files - any possible connection?

RO> Don't know. Doesn't seem likely, it's not as if you're keeping your
RO> attachments in %temp%, are you?

No in the default directory.

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Re: Backup Hangs

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Maurice,

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:40:00 +0200GMT (19-7-2005, 10:40 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

MM>>> Even after doing a re-install, and opting for "Repair" I continue to
MM>>> get the message "Thread error. Access refused (5)". I have removed the

RO>> Is it possible that you've got a virus infected document among your
RO>> attachments?

MM> Have just scanned all attachments with AVG - all clean.
MM> Any other suggestions?

Did you maybe delete one of your attachments while TB thinks it should
still be present? I presume that you're keeping your attachments in a
separate directory.

MM> BTW, yesterday I did use a program mentioned on the Langa List, to
MM> clean out temp files - any possible connection?

Don't know. Doesn't seem likely, it's not as if you're keeping your
attachments in %temp%, are you?

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Re: Backup Hangs

[Maurice McAdam]

Hello Roelof,

you wrote:

MM>> Even after doing a re-install, and opting for "Repair" I continue to
MM>> get the message "Thread error. Access refused (5)". I have removed the

RO> Is it possible that you've got a virus infected document among your
RO> attachments?

Have just scanned all attachments with AVG - all clean.
Any other suggestions?

BTW, yesterday I did use a program mentioned on the Langa List, to
clean out temp files - any possible connection?

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Re: Backup Hangs

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Maurice,

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:12:20 +0200GMT (19-7-2005, 9:12 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

MM> Even after doing a re-install, and opting for "Repair" I continue to
MM> get the message "Thread error. Access refused (5)". I have removed the

Is it possible that you've got a virus infected document among your
attachments?

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Re: Backup problems [2]

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo z5worg,

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 00:07:49 -0400GMT (16-4-2005, 6:07 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

Z> I didn't see any response to my previous post. So I am trying again. I
Z> did a backup today; and get the same 2 messages. Hope some one has the
Z> answer.

Most likely that is because nobody has definite answers to your
questions. But since you're desperate for answers, here are two
guesses:

Z> 1. TheBat.exe - No disk -- There is no disk in the drive. Please insert
Z> a disk into drive A: [This message seems to happen at Account .]

Check all account properties for that account whether there's nothing
that's referencing to something on drive A: It might be that TB
doesn't want to write to A: but in stead wants to read something.

Z> 2.  An error occured while storing data of the folder X.  It is
Z> possible that the message index is damaged - try to delete the index
Z> file and re-read the folder, then try to backup again.

Create a new folder,
make TB move all messages from your problem folder to this new folder,
close TB
delete the messages.tbb and .tbi files for your problem folder
start TB
move all messages back

Follow the same procedure for the folder before and the folder
immediately after the problem folder. (Just to make sure that you've
pinpointed the right folder as causing problems.)

When this procedure causes problems it might be that you've got a
virus infected message in your folder, in that case disable your virus
scanner, find the infected message, delete it, compress the folder,
enable your virus scanner and try it again.

I can't guarantee that this solves your problems, but it might help.

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Re: Backup problems

[z5worg]

Thursday, April 14, 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I did a backup; and I got 2 messages:

> 1.  TheBat.exe - No disk -- There is no disk in the drive.  Please
> insert a disk into drive A:

Just now, when I deleted a message, I get this popup again: "There is no disk 
in the drive.  Please
insert a disk into drive A:"  Can someone tell me what is this all
about?  And what can I do to get rid of it?

Thanks in advance

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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Greg Strong]

Hello Kariem,

Saturday, November 27, 2004, 7:39:33 AM, Kariem Hussein wrote:

>> Instead of deleting could also export to file for safe keeping if
>> desired.

> I did not see any option for that in the Message Finder. But I think you
> propose putting them in a folder and then archiving the folder.

Yes.

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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Jernej Simoncic]

On Sunday, November 21, 2004, 11:03:29, Kariem Hussein wrote:

> I used to think of Pine (or Horde Webmail), where the user is asked at 
> the start of each month to automatically clean some folders. The problem 
> is that I do not only want to delete these messages, but save them 
> somewhere in order to access them later on. A big part of my life is 
> saved in my email messages :)

I use "Delete messages older than" and have folder-specific deletion set
that Normal deletion just moves those messages to an Archive subfolder.

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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Kariem Hussein]

Hi,
Roman Katzer [21.11.2004 18:34]:
The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a
per-folder-basis.
Create a common virtual folder that watches all folders you have and
select a filter criterion (message older than ...). All messages created
before that date will be in that folder.
I think this is a very good advice. I really like the virtual folders 
approach. Especially for this task I would not always have to specify 
the parameters.

Thank you,
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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Kariem Hussein]

Hi,
Greg Strong [21.11.2004 18:52]:
Sunday, November 21, 2004, 7:02:00 AM, Mica Mijatovic wrote:
You could do that by searching for messages using "Advanced" tab in
"Message Finder" (F7), where you could do that by date(s) in "all
accounts".
Now this sounds too easy. I could do this every two or three months. Great!

This is probably the fastest on a 1 time basis although no threading
(Alt+0) should be used before selecting all (Ctrl+A) and deleting.
Thanks for the advice.

Instead of deleting could also export to file for safe keeping if
desired.
I did not see any option for that in the Message Finder. But I think you 
propose putting them in a folder and then archiving the folder.

Thank you,
Kariem

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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Kariem Hussein]

Hi,
Thank you your answer. I just did not have the time to reply earlier.
Thomas Fernandez [21.11.2004 13:31]:
KH> The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a
KH> per-folder-basis. I have to select "keep in message base for (days)" in
KH> each folder and then do a purge (from the maintenance menu item).
That's the way to go. You have to indeed set this on a per-folder
basis, but once you've done it, you're through. If you are looking for
a global setting, this doesn't exist AFAIK.
Ok, thanks though. This would really take a lot of time. An if I add 
some more folders, I have to tweak its settings again. But you are 
right. If I have set it once for a folder, I won't have to do it again.


Then, under Account / Properties / Mail Management / Deletion, you can
set it so that the messages are sent to an archive folder instead of
Trash.
That's good, I'll try it.

KH> It would be great to be able to search through the archives (=backups)
KH> at a later stage.
You can do that with the archive folders that you create. Others use an
external program call Mailbag, which can read TB message bases, but
I've never used it.
I just had a look at Mailbag. It can add your TB mailboxes one by one. 
Then I have the option to export it somewhere else. The problem is, that 
it cannot read the generated TB backup files (*.tbk), which would be the 
feature I am looking for.

But great information!
Thank you,
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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Greg Strong]

Hello Mica,

Sunday, November 21, 2004, 7:02:00 AM, Mica Mijatovic wrote:

>  The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a
>> per-folder-basis. I have to select "keep in message base for (days)" in
>> each folder and then do a purge (from the maintenance menu item). It
>> would be really long winded to do that with about 130 folders.

>> Do you have any suggestions?

> You could do that by searching for messages using "Advanced" tab in
> "Message Finder" (F7), where you could do that by date(s) in "all
> accounts".

This is probably the fastest on a 1 time basis although no threading
(Alt+0) should be used before selecting all (Ctrl+A) and deleting.
Instead of deleting could also export to file for safe keeping if
desired.

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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Roman Katzer]

On Sunday, November 21, 2004, 05:03:29, Kariem Hussein wrote:

> The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a
> per-folder-basis.

Create a common virtual folder that watches all folders you have and
select a filter criterion (message older than ...). All messages created
before that date will be in that folder.

 
Regards,
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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   @  @  at 11:03:29 +0100, when Kariem Hussein wrote:

> The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a
> per-folder-basis. I have to select "keep in message base for (days)" in
> each folder and then do a purge (from the maintenance menu item). It
> would be really long winded to do that with about 130 folders.

> Do you have any suggestions?

You could do that by searching for messages using "Advanced" tab in
"Message Finder" (F7), where you could do that by date(s) in "all
accounts".

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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Kariem,

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:03:29 +0100 GMT (21/11/2004, 17:03 +0700 GMT),
Kariem Hussein wrote:

KH> What I'd like to do now:

KH>   # select a timeframe (e.g. >1 year)
KH>   # backup all these messages
KH>   # delete the messages from the message base

KH> The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a
KH> per-folder-basis. I have to select "keep in message base for (days)" in
KH> each folder and then do a purge (from the maintenance menu item).

That's the way to go. You have to indeed set this on a per-folder
basis, but once you've done it, you're through. If you are looking for
a global setting, this doesn't exist AFAIK.

Then, under Account / Properties / Mail Management / Deletion, you can
set it so that the messages are sent to an archive folder instead of
Trash.

KH> It would be great to be able to search through the archives (=backups)
KH> at a later stage.

You can do that with the archive folders that you create. Others use an
external program call Mailbag, which can read TB message bases, but
I've never used it.

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Re: Backup of datas

[Ludovic LE MOAL]

Hi Mica,

On Thursday, November 18, 2004 at 3:22:51 PM, Mica Mijatovic wrote:

>> The system back-up of The Bat! doesn't work well ? What should I do to
>> create a real backup of my data ? Like in
>> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Or can I trust the
>> system back-up of The Bat! ?

> Doing it simplest is fastest and safest. Backup your entire Mail folder
> (using some archiver, Zip, Arj, Rar, whatever) and extract TB registry
> data.

Ok, thank you. That's clearer for me now.
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Re: Backup of datas

[Mica Mijatovic]

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> On Wednesday, November 17, 2004 at 9:29:15 PM, Roelof Otten wrote:

>> Here goes the same as above, it should work (TB's internal back-up
>> isn't as fail safe as I'd like).

> The system back-up of The Bat! doesn't work well ? What should I do to
> create a real backup of my data ? Like in
> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Or can I trust the
> system back-up of The Bat! ?

Doing it simplest is fastest and safest. Backup your entire Mail folder
(using some archiver, Zip, Arj, Rar, whatever) and extract TB registry
data.

*All* the rest is more complicated and more risky.

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Re: Backup problems

[Raymund Tump]

Hi Chris!

> What is the error? Or did it actually say "Something is not OK..."?

Yes. More or less, it points me to delete the index file of one folder.

> There are two bars that monitor free space during the backup process.
> Watch those.

That is not the problem 40 GB free on the hard drive.

Interesting fact: I tried to backup again and left out the IMAP account.
Worked. I tried to backup the IMAP account. Worked, too.

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Re: Backup problems

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Raymund,

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:18:19 +0200 GMT (19/08/2004, 02:18 +0700 GMT),
Raymund Thomas Tump wrote:

RTT> Is there another way to backup and restore then using the Tools menu
RTT> item or another way to trick TB to backup my accounts? (Maybe my mail
RTT> database is too large. Right now it has 670 MB on HD.)

There is indeed another trick. I export the registry key (HKCU /
Software / RIT) and then zip the whole TB directory. It hasn't failed
me, but it requires to restore into the same directory, using the same
Windows version.

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Re: Backup problems

[Chris]

Raymund Thomas Tump @ 2004-Aug-18 3:18:19 PM
"Backup problems" 

> I decided to reinstall my computer... Therefore I want to make a
> backup. That should be an easy task if only TB would do it. Everytime
> I try it I get an error message that something is not ok.
What is the error? Or did it actually say "Something is not OK..."?

> (Maybe my mail database is too large. Right now it has 670 MB on
> HD.)
You will need at least that much free space on the drive on which you
are storing your backup. You also need some more free space for
temporary files during the process. There are two bars that monitor
free space during the backup process. Watch those.

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