[users] Re: Question about Open Office
On 2011-02-22 5:07 PM, nice2sayhello wrote: Hi, I was thinking about purchasing Quickbooks which says it's intergated with Excel. Can Open Office be integrated with Quickbooks? Well... it *could*, all it would take is a very little effort by Intui, but no, currently, it can't, I'm sorry to say... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: sy...@openoffice.org with Subject: help
Re: [users] Managing Spaces
On 2011-01-31 8:01 AM, Gene Young wrote: To search and replace spaces you must use regular expressions and use [\x0009 ] as the search term for a space and a regular space (spacebar) for the replace with term. Well that's pretty ... nonobvious... What is the reason for this inconsistency? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re-installation Problems
On 2010-12-08 11:42 PM, Mick McCombs wrote: I would try a program called CCleaner from ZDNET.COM. No, its from a company called Piriform: http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner It is free but be especially careful to only remove those items that relate to OO. Otherwise you can dork up your whole system. I've been using it for many years, and it has never 'dorked' my system. It has one of the sanest registry cleaners I've used. I generally tell people to avoid using registry cleaners, but CCleaners has never failed me. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Returned mail: User unknown
On 2010-11-30 10:37 AM, Mike Scott wrote: On 30/11/10 14:52, Mick wrote: I got the same return on the same address. I didn't count how many I had but it was several. I believe it is due to the person closing the email account but not unsubscribing. I sent a seperate email to that address and it came back with a failure notice as Recipient address rejected: Access Denied. I suppose we will just have to put up with it whenever we post until our administrators get around to it. That shouldn't be so. Whatever, I've been getting these too and I'd just appreciate one of the list moms to delete that address from the system... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Changing Presentation to Graphic [was changing OSes.]
On 2010-11-14 12:29 PM, Mike Scott wrote: Also perhaps look at 'PDFCreator' - it's a fake printer driver for windows (which I assume you're using), mainly for producing PDFs (not needed by OOo), but will also convert to your choice of image output, using the 'print' option on any(??) application. It can take a bit of fiddling to get the parameters right, but it does work quite well when you're used to it. PDFCreator is excellent, we've been using it in our offices for many years - just be aware, when saving to any graphics format, it can only do one page at a time. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Change path for .~lock.xyz files
On 2010-11-12 8:20 AM, Malte Timmermann wrote: snip So just some explanation how the process works - as long as you only use OOo, your configuration can work for you. But once you start using some other ODF processing tools, be prepared that such a configuration can be problematic... Ok, and thanks for the detailed explanation Malte... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OpenOffice.org 3.2 Printer Administration?
On 2010-11-12 8:37 AM, webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I typed in Printer Administration in the help option of OOo 64-bit Debain 3.2.1. I got nothing. For whatever reasons you got answers and I did not, it is not the issue at this time. Debian is notorious for 'changing' things and 'splitting' programs up into multiple parts. I'll bet they separated the 'Help' out into a separate install... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Partly off-topic question on web site design
On 2010-11-08 7:18 PM, webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: On 11/08/10 19:01, Richard Detwiler wrote: I'm looking into software for web page design. I have heard that OpenOffice.org is NOT a particularly good tool. (What are the reasons for this? I'm not very knowledgeable about web sites.) What would be some better applications for this task? (Preferably free ones, but I'm willing to pay a modest amount if that's what it takes.) I use Kompozer - free software. Google it and you will find it for Windows and Linux Kompozer is excellent - just be sure to get the 0.8b3 version: http://kazhack.org/?post/2010/03/02/KompoZer-0.8b3 Also - while Kaze appears to have abandoned development, he hasn't - he's just been working on something else for his day job that will ultimately benefit Kompozer greatly, so great things are in the works... :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Presentation query
On 2010-11-05 2:55 AM, Mike Scott wrote: On 04/11/2010 20:11, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-11-03 11:09 AM, squareyes wrote: Hi all, I have Open office 3.2 installed on ubuntu 10.04, my query is , when opening a .pps presentation it goes staight into a slide show, is there any way I can set it so that it will not go to the slide show without my actually telling it? Change the file extension from .pps to .ppt The odd thing is that having seen this thread I yesterday changed a .ppt to a .pps, supposing the presentation would autostart under OOo. It didn't - I had to start it manually. v3.x/XP, so maybe the ubuntu version differs. Never tried it the other way, but I just did and it worked fine for me... I'm on 3.2.0, on Windows XP Pro... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Unsub
On 2010-11-03 3:29 PM, Brad Rogers wrote: Pls unsubscribe me from all OO mailings. We, as users, can't do that for you. Instructions for how to do it are included in most messages that are sent out via the list server. And thus begins another public unsub saga... Please, everyone, when you send messages like this send them to the OP *ONLY*, NOT TO THE LIST. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Presentation query
On 2010-11-03 11:09 AM, squareyes wrote: Hi all, I have Open office 3.2 installed on ubuntu 10.04, my query is , when opening a .pps presentation it goes staight into a slide show, is there any way I can set it so that it will not go to the slide show without my actually telling it? Change the file extension from .pps to .ppt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Upgrade 3.1.1 to 3.2.1 (Fedora)
On 2010-11-02 1:16 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: 3) I have a ton of personal settings and extensions in ~/.openoffice.org. Are there any issues with 3.2.1? The biggest reason for me not to upgrade was the loss of the colored document icons (they are all greyscale in 3.2.1)... I understand this huge (but admittedly only a cosmetic) bug is fixed in LibreOffice, Go-OO, and other alternatives... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Endnote 9 and writer
On 2010-11-01 11:33 AM, John Jason Jordan wrote: Firefox 4 is still in beta. The final release will not be until next year. I recommend going back to the latest stable release. I am using 3.5.9 Eh? Latest stable is 3.6.12... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Change path for .~lock.xyz files
On 2010-10-30 9:24 AM, Mike Scott wrote: If a shared file system is 'playing tricks', it sounds like a candidate for being fixed. Breaking something else as a workaround for a broken system doesn't sound to me like a terribly good idea. Windows provides the ability to have very fine-grained permissions. You can set permissions on a folder such that a user can modify existing files, but not create new ones. OOo provides a windows version of its program, and should allow for full interaction with said OS. There is nothing 'broken' about such a setup. All that said - I just tested this again with 3.2.o and apparently it is no longer an issue... it works like it used to (no lock file created)... so, my apologies for maiing much ado about nothing, and my thanks to whoever fixed it... :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Change path for .~lock.xyz files
On 2010-10-30 5:53 PM, JOE Conner wrote: It *used* to have a problem allowing multiple people to edit a file simultaneously. This problem was *real* and desperately needed fixing. Fine - but when fixing things like this, it is always best to provide a fall-back to the old method so as to avoid breaking things for others relying on the old behavior. Since *you* are the *IT* department, then you have within your own power to solve your problem. It seems to me that the lock file was a much sought after solution, and it is you who are requesting a regression. No, I am requesting maintaining backwards compatibility... something that should always be maintained whenever possible. That being said it seems to me that the solution is in fixing the file permissions to properly allow the creation of the lock file and properly training the people who would edit the file that they have no *authority* to create any other files and to have suitable penalties established for violators. Right - trust users to just do the right thing... you don't do much end-user support do you? ;) A second solution, one *you would like*, would be for the file locking to follow some other procedure other than creating a lock file in the first place. No - just set an alternate lock file directory *shared by everyone on the domain* - there is no reason this wouldn't work just as well as creating the lock file in the same directory as the file itself. But as I said in my last email, apparently someone listened and fixed this as it is now working (3.2.0)... So, again, my thanks to whoever fixed it, and my apologies for the noise. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Change path for .~lock.xyz files
On 2010-10-29 5:24 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: Did you open a bug report with an appropriate description (ie, unable to open a document read-only in a directory to which you cannot write... Hard to argue with not able to open a document for edit in a directory you cannot write). It happened way back before I had finally decided to bite the bullet and spend the time to figure out how to report a bug in the massively over-complicated OOo bug tracker (at least it has gotten better since) - but I do recall discussing this somewhere - probably one of these lists - and being told that it was an 'improvement'. If they shoot you down, then change it to enhancement and convince others to vote on it. Again... it cannot be consider an enhancement request when it is a *regression*. Not reasonable to expect an enhancement to be created just because it is something that you want. How about because it is the way OOo worked for years? And I refuse to believe that no one can see the use case for being able to edit a document that resides n a directory where the user doesn't have *create* privileges. There is a difference with 'modify' and 'create' permissions. So, again, in this respect, it is a bug, not an enhancement request. On the other hand, if you want it as well as a 200 of your closest friends and relatives it is more likely to receive attention. You mean like the hundreds of votes (in just a few days) for the color icons being restored? Or the 473 votes for support for SVG garnered in 9 years? Sorry, I have better things to do than waste my time. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Change path for .~lock.xyz files
On 2010-10-30 8:12 AM, Sof MORETTI wrote: But with the not able to open a document for edit in a directory you cannot write problem, or in our case a shared filesystem that plays tricks, a way to specify another place for the lock file could be great. Precisely... and if all network users share the same lock-file directory, then it should work properly... It could be specified as 'Alternate lock-file directory', and it would be the responsibility of the network admin to properly configure it for everyone. Guess I'll go over and see if the LibreOffice folks might be a little more receptive... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Change path for .~lock.xyz files
On 2010-10-29 5:20 PM, JOE Conner wrote: Lock files are created to prevent two or more different users from editing the same file at the same time, and interfering with each other's edits. I know that - but OOo obviously used to determine this differently, because it *used* to work fine. It makes no sense to have the lock file saved differently on your machine, as this would permit the simultaneous edits that are trying to be prevented in the first place. Actually, that is true... what I want is for OOo to *fall-back* to the previous method it used for determining if a file was already opened for editing when it is unable to create the lock file. To solve your problem, get your IT department to set your write permissions properly. It sounds as if you have EDIT but not CREATE flags set. *I* am the IT department, and the permissions *are* set properly. I want certain users to be able to *edit* documents that reside in directories that they do *not* have the ability to create *new* documents in. As I said, it worked properly like this for *years* prior to OOo starting to use lock files like MSO does. Another example of a step *backwards* in the name of 'progress'. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Change path for .~lock.xyz files
On 2010-10-29 10:40 AM, Malte Timmermann wrote: Marcello Romani wrote, On 10/29/10 16:10: Il 29/10/2010 16:03, Sébastien Moretti ha scritto: I would like to change path for .~lock.xyz files. They are currently in $HOME. How to put them in /tmp by example ? I think they're created in the same folder where the document file is. Exactly - as this is the only place where it makes sense. Not really - it causes problems when you try to edit a document that you have read/write privs for, but the doc is located in a folder where you do NOT have privs to create NEW files. I know, because this bug has created big problems for me - but when I reported it, of course I was told it isn't a bug, it is an 'improvement'... right, it is an improvement that changes the way it worked for YEARS, and caused (and still causes) me no end of grief. I would *love* the ability to change the path for the lock files... or better yet, I'd prefer for OOo to go back to the way it determined if a file was being edited or not prior to the change (don't remember which version this changed in, but it was some time ago)... Thanks (again) devs... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OpenOffice.org community council - only Oracle employees now??
On 2010-10-28 3:00 PM, Ingrid Halama wrote: In contrary go-oo and LibreOffice have choosen a license politics that make it impossible to take their code and integrate it into OpenOffice.org. Crap-crud. Sun/Oracle are the ones with the license problems/limitations. So if you contribute code to OpenOffice.org it will went into most flavors or forks. If you choose to contribute to LibreOffice in contrary the code will only be there. True, but only because of Sun/Oracle's licensing requirements, not the other way around. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Fwd: BIG PROBLEM IN USING OPENOFFICE
On 2010-10-28 8:00 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Suddenly a pop up appeared that 'OpenOffice.org 3.1 is available for updating. I clicked and installed the same. But it is not opening my files though it does the recovery. Unfortunately I am not able to use the old version i.e. 2.3 as this has been deleted by the new version. I am not able to open up any of my files and folders. First I'd uninstall OpenOffice. The problem is not a bad install of Openoffice, the problem is caused by the file associations not being properly set up - which is caused by the fact that the developers, in all their wisdom, decided to remove the ability to associate Microsoft Office files with Openoffice in the GUI installer. What the OP needs to do is create a shortcut to the installer with /msoreg=1 as an argument. Yeah, good luck with that. Ok, so just re-associate the files one by one using the right-click 'Open with' dance - oh, right, that won't work for templates... Reboot. Reboot. (Yep, twice. This is Windows, once is never enough) This is generally only necessary for software that installs drivers - like, for example, Antivirus software. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Strange message from the server
On 2010-10-16 4:45 PM, Twayne wrote: In news:4cb74dab.7090...@libertytrek.org, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org typed: Sorry, when someone is being dense, I just say it... And well you should. But not using that site, IMO, as it doesn't have a very good reputation. Michael is the one who posted that link in an attempt to suggest I shouldn't use such harsh language as 'dense'... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: opening .doc files
On 2010-10-14 10:43 PM, NoOp wrote: Actually those settings are changed from OOo... Only during the installation process. There is no way to manage file associations from OOo once it is installed... I know if there was I wouldn't have made the request for a proper File Associations Manager (Issue 77257) many years ago: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=77257 First, I was told it didn't make any sense to do this because there was a simple way to do this during the installation... Then they removed the ability to do this from the GUI installer, leaving only the ability to do it (blanket, all or nothing, no way to only associate one document type) by using a command-line switch when executing setup.exe... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: pps slide show applications
On 2010-10-14 7:24 PM, David H. Lipman wrote: OO doesn't have a good way to associate file extensions. There should be a program preference setting to associate either all compatible file extensions or selected file extensions to OO. To me, the fact that is doesn't exist is is semi-major problem. http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=77257 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: opening .doc files
On 2010-10-15 9:56 AM, James Wilde wrote: So what does: Properties Load/Save Microsoft Office do if one clicks Load and/or Save beside WinWord? All that does is define the default file format... So, in your example, if I create a new Text document from within Openoffice, it would create one, and when it saved it it would be in .doc format. It has nothing to do with file *associations*. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Strange message from the server
On 2010-10-14 1:21 AM, jonathon wrote: On 10/13/2010 06:23 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: So whitelist the OOo sender so they won;t be blocked... :) Do you want to explain how to whitelist an address on a mail-server that you don't control, without running afoul of various civil and criminal laws. ?? don't be dense. They are obviously using some kind of anti-spam software. When an ISP provides such a service, they usually also provide a way to manage it per user - enable/disable it, whitelists, blacklists, spam quarantine, etc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Strange message from the server
On 2010-10-14 1:36 PM, Michael Adams wrote: On Friday 15 October 2010 00:41, Tanstaafl wrote: ?? don't be dense. Avoiding personal conflict on mailing lists. http://www.madmanweb.com/archives/0102avoiding_personal_conflict_on_mailing_lists.html Sorry, when someone is being dense, I just say it... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Strange message from the server
Totally normal. These can happen when there are temporary outages somewhere between you and their server when they are trying to send you a message. It could be indicative of a problem on your end if you are hosting your own email... On 2010-10-13 1:49 PM, James Wilde wrote: I received the following message on October 11 from the OOo server (I include long headers in case someone wants to see them): I'm wondering whether anyone else has been receiving this kind of message. I'm also a little curious that the message was a response to a bounce from 13 days earlier. I've had one or two similar mails from both tdf.org and LibO.org, and when I tried to add these three senders as safe, I couldn't find the appropriate interface, and it was then I took the problem up with my ISP. It was then that the anomalous date came to light. There has been very heavy traffic from both tdf and LibO - not so much from OOo - so I could understand if their antispam device raised a question, but it didn't raise a question, it just bounced the mail, but not all mail from these three sources. Just thought I'd report it and see if anyone has any comments. Here's the warning mail. Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the users@openoffice.org mailing list. Messages to you from the users mailing list seem to have been bouncing. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Strange message from the server
On 2010-10-13 2:15 PM, James Wilde wrote: Remote host said: 550 5.7.1 Your message seems to be Spam and WILL NOT be delivered. ID: b7b15530-cb25-11df-9a0c-005056a12c00 So whitelist the OOo sender so they won;t be blocked... :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Mouseover Tooltip of contents of cells too narrow to display full contents
On 2010-10-07 7:55 PM, Michael Adams wrote: On Friday 08 October 2010 08:21, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-10-07 2:10 AM, Michael Adams wrote: With Open Source Software there is always a way. In this case it required a little programming. If you are not up to this yourself you could pay someone to do it for you. As with all good Open Source projects you should then contribute this back to the main trunk for evaluation and possible inclusion into the tree. I know what free software is, and I know that I could always pay someone to code whatever I might need, but I didn't ask that, did I? Answers like this are a total waste of everyone's time (yours, mine and anyone who bothered to read your non-response). If you don't know how to do it, then don't say anything. Respectfully, I told you how to do it. No you didn't, and now you've wasted more of our time... What you did was provide a response that would have been appropriate if aimed at someone who was repeatedly asking the same question and/or whining about a missing feature, neither of which describes the situation. There is no other way, IMHO, as curently the program does not support it. Had you prefaced your first response with that comment it would have completely changed its tone - as it was, your response was just condescending. Oh - and by the way - I cannot count how many times I've seen someone respond like you did on some other list, only to be proven wrong (ie, that there *is* a way to do whatever it is). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Mouseover Tooltip of contents of cells too narrow to display full contents
On 2010-10-07 2:10 AM, Michael Adams wrote: With Open Source Software there is always a way. In this case it required a little programming. If you are not up to this yourself you could pay someone to do it for you. As with all good Open Source projects you should then contribute this back to the main trunk for evaluation and possible inclusion into the tree. I know what free software is, and I know that I could always pay someone to code whatever I might need, but I didn't ask that, did I? Answers like this are a total waste of everyone's time (yours, mine and anyone who bothered to read your non-response). If you don't know how to do it, then don't say anything. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] pps slide show applications
On Wed, 6 October, 2010 20:47:14, bpapwo...@aol.com bpapwo...@aol.com said: On 2010-10-07 3:35 PM, Abdul Hai wrote: Is it possible to use Open Office to read pps e-mail attachments? That would be useful as many photos are sent in that presentation format yet it is a MSFT Office application only as far as I know? An, I do not have it. Yes it is possible as I have just done that. When you go through the browse options you can see open office. Easiest is to just rename it to whatever.ppt (ie, just change the .pps to .ppt). On Windows you could also right-click on it, 'Open With', select 'Choose Program', then select Openoffice.org Impress and check the box to 'Always use the selected program...'... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Mouseover Tooltip of contents of cells too narrow to display full contents
Hello, Is there a way to emulate the Excel feature of displaying the contents of a numeric cell that is too narrow to display fully (so it just displays ### signs) in a tooltip when the ### is moused over? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Calc - freezing rows and text on menus
On 2010-10-06 1:34 PM, JOE Conner wrote: 1. Click on the cell below and to the right of the rows and columns you want to freeze. 2. Click WINDOW - FREEZE (or CTRL F) Interesting, didn't know you could do it this way. Thanks! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: registering
On 2010-09-29 11:09 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote: Malcolm Moore st-malcolm.mo...@whsg.info wrote in message news:20100929142945.e230c...@mail.whsg.info... We moved to go-oo because it doesn't have the registration feature/bug ;-) Is go-oo going to stay that way now we have libreoffice or are the two going to become more alike ? Confused about go-oo's intentions Mal From http://www.documentfoundation.org/faq/ ===quote === Q: What does this announcement mean to other derivatives of OpenOffice.org? A: We want The Document Foundation to be open to code contributions from as many people as possible. We are delighted to announce that the enhancements produced by the Go-OOo team will be merged into LibreOffice, effective immediately. We hope that others will follow suit. === end quote === Now *that* is a good beginning! Things may be looking up. I'm off to download/install their initial release to see whats up... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OpenOffice.org Community announces The Document Foundation
On 2010-09-28 6:57 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 21:32 +1200, Michael Adams wrote: On Tuesday 28 September 2010 19:41, Varun Mittal wrote: Hi All, The community of volunteers developing and promoting OpenOffice.org have set up an independent Foundation to drive the further growth of the project - *The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org/* http://www.documentfoundation.org/ Not here. Please take non-user non-technical topics to the discuss list. It was just an announcement. Nothing wrong with asking *further* discussions to go to the discuss list, but nothing wrong with making an announcement of this magnitude here either. I for one am glad to hear it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OOo Icons
On 9/25/2010 4:03 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote: I have the latest (3.2.1, is that the latest?) OOo on Vista Home Premium and on Win XP Pro. The icons are *not* greyscale, they are coloured. What am I missing, please. Someone must have fixed them for you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OPEN OFFICE ORG 2.3/3.1/3.2 VERSIONS
On 2010-09-24 8:11 AM, webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: The problem I see it that you got a POP_UP asking you to update/upgrade I have never seen a pop-up asking me to update OOo, so that may be the key to the problem. The default for new installs is Tools Options OpenOffice.org Online Update option is enabled. This results in a pop-up notification occasionally in the upper right when OpenOffice.org is running. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OPEN OFFICE ORG 2.3/3.1/3.2 VERSIONS
On 2010-09-24 2:04 AM, Sam Swaminath wrote: I AM A GENUINE MS WINDOWS XP USER.I HAD ALSO OPEN OFFICE ORG 2.3 WITH ME ALL THESE DAYS. IT WAS WORKING VERY NICELY. SUDDENLY, DUE TO MY MADNESS, I CLICKED ON A 'POPUP' UPDATE OPEN OFFICE. IT ASKED ME TO DOWNLOAD 3.1 VERSION. I DID SO. IT GOT INSTALLED BUT IT UNINSTALLED 2.3 VERSION. NOW, I AM NOT ABLE TO READ MY FOLDERS AND FILES SAVED UNDER OPEN OFFICE ORG 2.3 VERSION. If your documents are saved in Microsoft Office formats, this is due to the very wise decision by the OOo developers to remove the GUI option to associate Office docs with Openoffice. Otherwise, it should have at least associated itself with its own native formats... More info is needed... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multipart/Related Content-type
On 2010-09-24 4:05 AM, Julien CHEVALIER wrote: My problem is that the file comes from outisde OO With 3.1 when I was opening it everything was going well. With 3.2 the file opening fails. Yep, confirms this is deut to the wise decision to remove the ability to associate Microsoft Office files with OOo in t he GUI installer. Older versions took over these associations by default, but you could UNcheck them in the GUI. Then they made the default with them UNchecked - then they removed these options from the GUI installer altogether. Obviously someone on the OOo development team simply doesn't care how badly they screw things up for users (as evidenced by the brain-dead decision to switch from colored icons to greyscale)... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: [branding] [Branding Guideline] - how to finalize it?
On 2010-09-23 2:40 PM, Ismaël Grammenidis wrote: I can understand the frustration, and you do have a point. But this is not the right topic for this discussion. We need to prioritise certain things. The logo is the top priority at this point. The logo. Right. Having the right logo is really going to make the difference with respect to USERS and the branding of OOo. The major usability problem created by this decision (to ignore the obvious fact that it was a bad decision to switch to greyscale icons and to resolve the issue by simply switching back) is absolutely and without question a branding problem. Do you not understand that every day that goes by, someone decides to download the latest version of OOo, gives it a try, and the first thing they see is that the icons are greyscale, which causes a lot of laughter while they are uninstalling it (because it is 'old fashioned', 'doesn't support color', 'not modern', etc etc are the ones I've heard). I know - I have had people tell me this. I no longer even recommend Openoffice, and will not start doing so again until this is fixed, and I am not alone in this. That way the general branding guidelines can be finished as well. Until the color icons are returned, OOo branding is BROKEN. This will include the logo usage guidelines and others important things like secondary colours etc. Once those secondary colours are defined, we can start completing the entire re-branding process (like icons). It is useless to add colours now and change it later because of the branding guidelines. I get so tired of hearing this... it simply is not true. Just bring the old ones back now (or preferably, colorize the new ones using the same colors as the originals), then you can take your time with what you will replace them with. There is absolutely ZERO reason why you cannot do this, except one - someone doesn't want to. The fact that no one in a position to do something about this HASN'T done anything about this just reflects on the impression that most of us have had about the OOo process for the many years - none of the OOo developers give a rats behind what the users want or think. It will only confuse people even more and it would be negative for the image that we want to create. This is merely your opinion, and it is quite simply WRONG. Proof? Read the bug discussion for Issue 112141. This issue broke all records for votes: 1. confirmed by votes after only 40 MINUTES 2. more than 100 votes in one WEEK, and 3. with 242 votes, now, after less than 4 MONTHS, has more votes than any/all other issues save 3 - and all 3 of those were opened more than 9 YEARS ago, which means they probably will never be resolved. So, please, don't tell me this isn't important to the user base, isn't a branding issue, and, aside from purely political/personal motivation(s), cannot be at least temporarily resolved by reverting to the previous icons or colorized versions of the new ones. Oh, and as for this comment: On 2010-09-23 4:28 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: I had begun a long response, too, to B's post, but got distracted by the usual insect buzz of other things demanding more. This illustrates precisely my above point about the developers not caring what the users want or think. My comments about this issue are very on point for OOo branding, and are NOT 'insect buzz', save to those with their heads stuck in the sand. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Running OpenOffice On a Remote System
On 2010-09-16 3:27 PM, Hal Vaughan h...@halblog.com wrote: Have you tried this site for information: http://www.ltsp.org/? I don't want a thin client, but thanks. I'm almost certain you can run a remote session on an LTSP server from a windows machine using the free NX client for windows. In other words, you don't need to use a 'thin client' - or - your windows machine can act as the 'thin client'. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: impress and live video feed
On 2010-09-08 3:04 AM, Mike Scott m...@scottsonline.org.uk wrote: On 07/09/2010 16:54, Tanstaafl wrote: On 09/05/2010 11:09 PM, Mike Scott wrote: I'm wondering about creating a presentation, actually for a church service. This will have slides for song words etc in the usual way. But part way through, it would be advantageous to have a live feed from a video camera within the church, and to have the video from this appear on-screen as part of the presentation. I doubt it is possible, since it is apparently impossible to even embed a youtube video, where the video is hosted on youtube, but displays in the presentation. Not directly, it seems. But NoOp (thanks!) has given a pointer that looks well worth following up to do this indirectly using an external program. Yeah - it wouldn't be portable (would only work on your machine or one similarly configured), but would suffice for the OPs purposes... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: impress and live video feed
On 2010-09-06 9:43 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On 09/05/2010 11:09 PM, Mike Scott wrote:
I'm wondering about creating a presentation, actually for a church
service. This will have slides for song words etc in the usual way. But
part way through, it would be advantageous to have a live feed from a
video camera within the church, and to have the video from this appear
on-screen as part of the presentation.
Obviously one could stop/pause impress, switch to a different app and
show the live video, then switch back to impress for the rest of the
service, but this looks a very clumsy approach and I was hoping (vainly
perhaps?!) for something a little smoother.
Hope that's clearer! But I most strongly suspect I'm out of luck :-{
Got it. Interesting project/concept, I'll do some experimenting see if
I can figure out a way to do this. What OS version of OOo?
I doubt it is possible, since it is apparently impossible to even embed
a youtube video, where the video is hosted on youtube, but displays in
the presentation.
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Re: [users] Showing formatting codes
On 2010-08-31 4:16 AM, Séamas Ó Brógáin s...@iol.ie wrote: Jonathon wrote: Whilst it can be provided, it won't do you the slightest bit of good. This is simply due to the different philosophy in how a word processor should be written. I don’t understand. If it can be provided, how do you know it won’t do me any good? I think because it would be view only - you couldn't directly edit the formatting, you could only see it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Running OpenOffice On a Remote System
On 2010-08-16 11:13 AM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Hal Vaughan wrote: Is there any setup (other than Ulteo) out there that lets me keep OpenOffice on a server somewhere and run it from another computer, with the files and fonts and so on stored on the same server the program is stored on? I know OOo is not written in Java, but it has a close relationship with Java. I know it's a long shot, but I was wondering if it could be run in a Java applet or by using Java on the client system in some way. The less that needs to be installed or set up on the client system, the better it would be. Does anyone know about anything like this? This may help you do that: http://www.openoffice.org/docs/setup_guide/mu_install.html Ummm... this is referencing Openoffice.org 1.0... I remember reading about this kind of install way back when, but I never attempted it. Will this still work for OOo 3.x?? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] [OT moderated discussion ad nauseum] Re: [moderated]
On 2010-08-27 3:04 AM, Clayton ccorn...@openoffice.org wrote: That said, OOo is being migrated to a new infrastructure. Take a look here: http://kenai.com/projects/ooo-migration/pages/Home and join in if you're interested in what can be made better. There's even a section on Mailing Lists here: http://kenai.com/projects/ooo-migration/pages/MailListsMigration Why in $deity's_name go to all the toruble to migrate to a different but still PROPRIETARY list manager?!?! Please,for criminy's sake, just migrate to mailman and be done with it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] [OT moderated discussion ad nauseum] Re: [moderated]
On 2010-08-27 2:24 PM, Clayton ccorn...@openoffice.org wrote: On 08/27/2010 07:25 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: Why in $deity's_name go to all the toruble to migrate to a different but still PROPRIETARY list manager?!?! Please,for criminy's sake, just migrate to mailman and be done with it. The OOo Migration project is much much more than just a mailing list replacement. I understood that - my comment only had to do with the mailing lists, because that's what this thread was all about... According to the Kenai Wiki, the mailing list engine is Sympa http://kenai.com/projects/help/pages/MailingLists Sympa is a GPL mailing list management application - ie it's not proprietary. http://www.sympa.org/ Kenai itself is built on Apache2, Ruby on Rails, Glassfish, MySQL, memcached, and so on... Please do a little reading to find out what Kenai and the OOo Migration project is all about. It is an interesting project. Fair enough... the only time I ever looked at sympa was many years ago, and all I remember was that it was a royal pain to admin, and man was I glad when I tried mailman... hopefully that has changed... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] convert or copy calc file to odt table
On 2010-08-08 10:49 PM, David B Teague davidbtea...@verizon.net wrote: I have an excel file that I have converted to a calc file. It contains membership data: names, addresses, email addresses etc. There are no formulas. I'd like to have this data in a table in an odt file. I do not know how to do this. If I do what seems reasonable: Select the part of the calc contents I want, copy and paste into the odt document, I get an image, as though I had made a screen shot. It isn't an image though - try DBL-clicking it - you get an editable group of spreadsheet cells, complete with all the formatting. I do this all the time... I hate 'Tables' in Writer... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Thanx for the download...
On 2010-08-01 5:59 PM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: When you install OOo, it will make itself the default application for Microsoft Office files (there's a check box you have to select IIRC). Failing that, just change the file associations for those file types, by following these directions: No, this was stupidly removed from the GUI installer - now you have to know ahead of time to add command-line switches to do this at install time. I opened a bug request to create a formal 'File Association Manager' to solve this problem once and for all (so you could switch back and forth at will from within the OOo Options GUI), but apparently no one liked the idea: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=77257 Changing file associations Right click on file icon Select Open With Choose Program... Check Always use the selected program to open this kind of file and choose the desired application. This doesn't work properly for Template files, nor when they are 'broken' as I describe in my bug above. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] get values to the right
Wade Smart wrote: You fingered it Joe. I checked the column and its formated as date. I copied the number over to a new column formatted as text and it works great. Question: how do you reformat as text without loosing all the data? Select the cells, 'Copy', reformat cells as desired, 'Paste Special' uncheck all but 'Text'? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Why register Db?
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Today was the first time anyone has ever given me these instructions, the ones listed on the site. How long have I been asking for this kind of help? Feb 2010 or earlier? This is the *generic* ooo-users list. If you want specific instructions for a specif Operating System, you should be asking on a support list for that Operating System (in this case one of the Ubuntu specific user lists): https://lists.ubuntu.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OxygenOffice Professional 3.2.1 - Extended, open and free
On 2010-07-02 3:43 AM, Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai wrote: Hi! https://sourceforge.net/projects/ooop/files/Binary-Windows32bit/3.2.1.40/ http://ooo.itc.hu/oxygenoffice/download/3.2.1.40/win32/ Can anyone say whether or not OxygenOffice 'fixed' the huge gaff regarding the black and white icons in the official 3.2.1? Meaning, does OxygenOffice use the same ones? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] opening programs as Open Office docs
On 2010-07-02 4:57 AM, Michael Adams wrote: On Thursday 01 July 2010 14:14, Stephen Harris wrote: I am using version 3.2.1 of OpenOffice.org that I just downloaded. My problem I am having is how to set up all my documents so that they open as a Open Office document. I did right click on the documents I wanted to open and went thru the process of choosing the program I wanted to use. I chose Open Office as the permanent program but it did not make that setting permanent. You may be interested in voting for my Feature Enhancement request for a proper File Associations Manager, so that OOo can properly manage the file associations for the non OOo documents it is able to assictae itself with: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=77257 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] opening programs as Open Office docs
On 2010-07-04 3:41 PM, upscope wrote: On Sunday, July 04, 2010 12:30:23 pm Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-07-02 4:57 AM, Michael Adams wrote: On Thursday 01 July 2010 14:14, Stephen Harris wrote: I am using version 3.2.1 of OpenOffice.org that I just downloaded. My problem I am having is how to set up all my documents so that they open as a Open Office document. I did right click on the documents I wanted to open and went thru the process of choosing the program I wanted to use. I chose Open Office as the permanent program but it did not make that setting permanent. You may be interested in voting for my Feature Enhancement request for a proper File Associations Manager, so that OOo can properly manage the file associations for the non OOo documents it is able to associate itself with: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=77257 Have not used MS since 1999, but you should be able to open the .doc or .docx file with OOo writer and save it as an .odt document. You maybe able to do it thru file associations if MS has finally recognized .odt documents. Nothing to do with my reply... ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] opening programs as Open Office docs
On 2010-07-04 3:45 PM, Christopher Oldcorn wrote: MS Office does now have the option to save in the odt format It is so helplessly broken and unusable except for the simplest of documents that I fail to see the point of even mentioning it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Engineering Notation update
On 2010-06-29 4:01 PM, NoOp wrote: On 06/29/2010 10:35 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-06-29 1:08 PM, JOE Conner wrote: I see 134 votes for this at the moment. How many votes is required for implementation work? Only 5,234... 5,930 [must match the bug report number] I stand corrected... :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Engineering Notation update
On 2010-06-29 1:08 PM, JOE Conner wrote: On 6/29/2010 2:35 AM, Lars Nooden wrote: Dean, Tom, everyone interesting in Engineering Notation, Please remember at least to vote for the official bug report: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5930 I see 134 votes for this at the moment. How many votes is required for implementation work? Only 5,234... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Is the install of Ooo 3.2.1 incredibly slow?
On 2010-06-16 5:49 AM, Andrew Fisk wrote: When you get more than 80% full, you need to keep it defraged or it gives you problems. format the drive ext-3 and http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2007/03/mount-ext2-or-ext3-partition-in-windows.html Because: http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/index.php/2006/08/17/why_doesn_t_linux_need_defragmenting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: Is the install of Ooo 3.2.1 incredibly slow?
On 2010-06-13 5:19 PM, David B Teague wrote: On 6/13/2010 2:33 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: A half *hour*??? Just to *install* it??? On your system, the install should take considerably less than 5 minutes... Are you installing it over an internet connection? That's the only way I can see for it to take that long. The tone of your remark is harsher than you perhaps meant it to be. ?? I may not be the most sensitive person in the world, but there was not *one* *thing* about my response that even *resembles* harsh. Methinks you need to grow a pair (yes, *that* was meant to be just a little bit 'harsh')... I do not understand what you mean installing over an internet connection. Everyone who does not use a CD to install OO.o must install from the web. One downloads the executable installer from the OOo web site then runs the executable installer. Depending on the web browser and how it is configured, you can get a dialog after clicking on a file to download that gives you the ability to *open* a file 'over the internet'. Doing this for an executable 'installer' would cause the installer to actually *execute* over the internet... Running the installation program itself takes more than 8 minutes here, but there are other things to do besides just run the installer. ? Running the installer on the 50+ machines here I have been maintaing for 10 years, I have *never* had an install require more than about 3 minutes, and that was on old 800Mhz celeron machines with 256MB ram... Any reasonably modern machine should install in less than 3 minutes. Fetching installer, 5+ minutes, installation, 8+ minutes. Sorry - downloading the installer is *not* a part of the installation process. It is a *pre-requisite* to installing the program. Having the installation files is *always* a pre-requisite to installing *any* program. I ran OO.o to check settings, load at startup was not checked. Not sure of the relevance... this is a configuration issue, and is *not* part of the installation routine. It could also be considered a *packaging* issue, if you are using a system that uses preconfigured installation poackages (like Redhat, SuSE, Debian, etc)... When first started, OO.o demanded I register, No it doesn't, it politely *asks* you if you want to register. The default is set to yes, so if you just clicked Next/OK without reading the dialog, as opposed to changing the radio button to 'No, never', that is *your* fault. and sent me to Oracle's web site, which would not accept my login name and password I had retained from Suns' web site. After many attempts, it told me it couldn't do this because of a server error. A substantial waste of time. It is possible that there are still some issues from the transition, so no need to be so condemning. The time I quoted included download, install, and registration time. We are talking about *installation*, so it would help to not go off point and include things that are not an actual part of the installation routine. The time to download and run the installer was about 15 minutes, and is consistent with the time taken to install earlier versions of OO.o. Again, downloading is separate from installing. When you respond to questions on this mailing list, it would be well to be more gentle. Rotflmao Sorry David, I save 'gentle' for my wife. When interacting on mail lists like these, I expect to be interacting with adults, or at least reasonably mature younger people, and I act accordingly. I suggest you do the same. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Is the install of Ooo 3.2.1 incredibly slow?
On 2010-06-13 9:24 PM, webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: BY the Way, do anyone of you know any free Defrag software that works WELL with a NTFS 1 TB USB drive - one partition. The two I have tried will not show the standard boxes they show when defraging the internal smaller drives on my laptop. Maybe UltraDefrag? http://ultradefrag.sourceforge.net/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Is the install of Ooo 3.2.1 incredibly slow?
On 2010-06-14 12:04 PM, David B Teague wrote: Your discourse here will discourage response on this list. Response both ways is the reason for the list. So please drop this thread, and be a bit more careful in your responses. I have an even better idea David... why don't *you* drop this thread, and while you're at it, mind your own business and stop telling me how to post. Your 'perceptions' (I was going to ignore that silly reply, but now you've gone and done it) are irrelevant. Facts are facts, and the fact is, my response was purely civil, and your perception was not just overly sensitive, it was flat wrong. And I didn't snip *any* of your unnecessarily irrelevant crap, I left it all there, fully intact, for everyone to see. :) and you're welcome. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Is the install of Ooo 3.2.1 incredibly slow?
On 2010-06-14 4:30 PM, David B Teague wrote: I iterate: This discourse here discourage responses on this list. So why do you continue to engage me? Response both ways is the reason for the list. Sorry, I though it was for interaction among adults... Your continuation of this thread demonstrates your lack of self control and your lack of a sense of responsibility to this community. And what pray tell does *your* continuation of this thread demonstrate? That you're a god-like being who also happens to be krunchy and tastes good with ketchup? So drop this thread, and be a bit more careful in your responses. Ditto. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Is the install of Ooo 3.2.1 incredibly slow?
On 2010-06-14 4:58 PM, Hal Vaughan wrote: The more this goes on, Tanstaafl, the more I wonder, What is it this guy has to prove and why does he have to always have the last word and insult others? I have yet to see David Teague call names, but continually see you resort to ad hominem arguments to imply he's not a mature adult. I'm just pointing out the contradiction of him (and now you) doing the exact same thing he (and now you) keeps asking me *not* to do (continue this stupid thread). How long are you going to keep calling names I'm not calling him names, please stop spouting nonsense. instead of admitting this is going nowhere? I've known this was going nowhere ever since David first provided lots of downright wrong information as to what OOo does when installed and first run, and then said I was being harsh in my response when I obviously wasn't... How long are you going to insist on calling attention to yourself and away from helping people on this list? Maybe as long as people like you continue beating the dead horse? I type fast, have thick alligator skin and a really bizarre sense of humor... you do the math. How long are you going to keep waving a flag that says, See how much I can argue and be rude and not care about helping others? If you *really* meant what you just said, you would have sent that email to me and me alone, not to the list - same as David. Please stop trying to act like you're not doing the exact same thing as me. Wanna keep playing? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Is the install of Ooo 3.2.1 incredibly slow?
On 2010-06-13 2:23 PM, David B Teague wrote: I run an older 1.6 GHZ Sempron 2.8 with 1 GB Ram, and a not-very-fast backplane. I just installed OO.0 3.2.1 and it took less than a half hour, consistent with earlier versions. I saw other responses with suggestions for cleaning up your system that look like they might help. A half *hour*??? Just to *install* it??? On your system, the install should take considerably less than 5 minutes... Are you installing it over an internet connection? That's the only way I can see for it to take that long. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Is the install of Ooo 3.2.1 incredibly slow?
On 2010-06-10 7:33 PM, Twayne wrote: In news:4c094ddd.70...@silkroadconsultants.co.uk, Rob Clement r...@silkroadconsultants.co.uk typed: Is it just my machine AMD 2.0 Ghz running windows Vista seems to take a very long time installing Ooo 3.2.1. Well, yes, it is, and err, no, it is not. You have to remember that you're installing a pretty large and complex program with OO.o. For me it is not any slower than any previous version of OOo was at installing, but I've only installed it once (and uninstalled a few hours later because of the icons)... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: [releases] Nominating issue 112141 as stopper for 3.2.2
On 2010-06-09 8:59 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: Quite frankly, if 63 votes for this issue in less than *four days* 105 votes in 5 days... now I *know* this has to be a record. The issue with the next highest votes - 108 - has been open for almost a year, and the one with the most votes - 468 - has been open for 8.5 years. The vast majority of the issues with more votes are more than 5 years old. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Calc - real relative addressing
On 2010-06-08 6:05 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 06:55 08/06/2010 -0400, William Drescher wrote: How can I write the formula so that it uses = 1_cell_to_the_left - (4_cells_to_the_left + 3_cells_to_the_left + 2_cell_to_the_left)/3) Taking your example of the result being in cell I2, enter: =OFFSET(I2;0;-1)-AVERAGE(OFFSET(I2;0;-4):OFFSET(I2;0;-2)) Nice one Brian! Didn't know about OFFSET function... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: [releases] Nominating issue 112141 as stopper for 3.2.2
On 2010-06-09 8:40 AM, Stefan Taxhet (sonews) wrote: You are a close follower of the releases list. So you will have seen that the discussion about the mime-type icons and related elements came up earlier here. Nope, never saw any such thing, but I'm not sure I'd classify myself as 'a close follower of the releases list'. I've been on it for a few months I think, but again, don't recall any conversation whatsoever about this issue. In fact, there has been plenty of discussion online about how bad this change is. Quite frankly, if 63 votes for this issue in less than *four days* doesn't convince you that this needs to be fixed *immediately*, then you are living in a strange world full of boxes and squares. I don't think that arguing about the type of release for a change will help us. I'm still of the opinion that 3.2.1 is/was something different than 3.2.2 or 3.3 or 3.4 will be. No idea what that is supposed to mean. Regardless of how you or anyone else may have *thought* this change would be received, it was a *minor* point release that introduced a *major* *negative* (as evidenced by the votes accumulated) change to the user experience. Common sense dictates that this should be remedied ASAP. The solution is simple - keep the new icons, just add the original colors to the different file types. Your (and your company owner's) opinion will be listened to as well as other voices that had suggestions about the icons. You may want to join the list of the branding initiative and/or the user experience project where branding and UX aspects are worked on. No, I just want the colors back. I don't have time to go engage in an endless argument with some one or more people with blinders on about such a simple thing. But the issue wouldn't qualify as a showstopper for future releases as it didn't in the past. It is an *absolute showstopper* for my company, and I'm hoping this isn't shades of things to come from the buyout of Sun by Oracle. Maybe Oracle wants to kill OOo? If so, this is the way to do it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: [releases] Nominating issue 112141 as stopper for 3.2.2
On 2010-06-09 8:59 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: Quite frankly, if 63 votes for this issue in less than *four days* And its now up to 75 votes, at just an hour over 4 days... maybe this is a record of some kind? Oh - this is the issue to bring back the colored icons... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: [releases] Nominating issue 112141 as stopper for 3.2.2
On 2010-06-09 3:31 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2010/06/09 12:39 PM Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2010/06/09 12:20 PM Tanstaafl wrote: Oh - this is the issue to bring back the colored icons... Please file an issue for your comment What is up with the 'ODF' label on NON-ODF MICROSOFT file formats (.doc,.xls, .ppt, etc)? That is not just ugly, it is plain *wrong*. This is a separate issue from the colour issue and definitely should be a stopper for next release. I don't use windows or I would do it myself. Rob Clement has submitted a bug report – #112256 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=112256 Tanstaafl, and others, please vote for it and add comments. Done... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Calc - real relative addressing
On 2010-06-08 6:55 AM, william drescher wrote: I am computing a moving average and comparing it to a current value (looking at the current weights of dogs compared to their average over the prior 3 months). So my cell formula is (in column I): =h2 - ((e2 + f2 + g2)/3) Each month I insert a new column just before the average column, then I need to redo this formula. How can I write the formula so that it uses = 1_cell_to_the_left - (4_cells_to_the_left + 3_cells_to_the_left + 2_cell_to_the_left)/3) I think you only need to change the option: Tools Options Openoffice.org Calc General and check Expand references when new columns/rows are inserted ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 2010-06-05 4:01 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2010/06/05 1:09 PM RA Brown wrote: Rob Clement wrote: Are the new icons for the files created by OOo 3.2.1 simply confusing. For example I have some .doc files sent by fiends and the icon clearly shows the letters ODF on the icon. Should that not be OOo? I don't see this. MS files on mine do *not* have an ODF anywhere on the icon. Windows XP Pro sp3, OOo 3.2.1 release. No it is not a bug. In its great wisdom Oracle has decided that ODF is more important than OO.o. It has been argued over in the UX mailing list. Actually it is a bug. A .doc file is not an ODF file and the ODF icon should not appear on a .doc file. On my Mac a .doc file has a plain white icon with a folded corner. That's similar to what I see - its not totally plain white though, it is a greyscale icon, with a small empty rectangular box in the upper left - it is in the same place as where the ODF is displayed on OOo files, but again, there is *no ODF* there. Why in the world would these icons be changed on a minor point release? This was a really, really bad decision... 1. All of the MS file icons are greyscale, and very plain - BAD 2. All of the ODF icons are the same color - *really* BAD 3. Uninstalling OOo 3.2.1 and reinstalling 3.2.0 does *not* restore the old icons - really, really, *really* BAD 4. One redeeming quality - I actually do like the new *designs* on the icons, I just want the *colors* back. Most people are visually oriented, and quickly scan file types by icon, and color is what makes them stand out. I have shown these to 15 people here in our office now, and every - single - one - of - them said they didn't like them and asked me how to get the old icons back. This is INSANE. Does anyone know how to change these icons either via GPO, or through some kind of script/command line magic? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 2010-06-07 9:05 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: 1. All of the MS file icons are greyscale, and very plain - BAD 2. All of the ODF icons are the same color - *really* BAD 3. Uninstalling OOo 3.2.1 and reinstalling 3.2.0 does *not* restore the old icons - really, really, *really* BAD 4. One redeeming quality - I actually do like the new *designs* on the icons, I just want the *colors* back. Most people are visually oriented, and quickly scan file types by icon, and color is what makes them stand out. Ok, this is getting worse by the minute... Now, the MS files *do* have the 'ODF' on them, which is just plain wrong as the OP originally stated... This needs to be fixed immediately and a new release issued, or OOo is going to lose a *lot* of users. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 2010-06-07 11:00 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: 3. Uninstalling OOo 3.2.1 and reinstalling 3.2.0 does *not* restore the old icons - really, really, *really* BAD More whackiness... .ppt and .odp files *do* have the old/original icons... but *only* the presentation files. *Some* of the shortcuts to MS files have the original empty rectangular box, but most have ODF on them now. I'll check on a VM later and see if this is reproducible... I'm *not* a happy camper. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 2010-06-07 11:42 AM, Daniel Lewis wrote: I use MacBook for my WiFi access. I have .docx, .doc and .ppt files on my hard drive. I am also using OOo 3.2.1. While these are all associated with OOo 3.2.1, none of them have any of the OOo icons. Do you have MS Office for Mac installed? Icons for MS file types are unaffected on systems that have MS Office installed. My tower's OS is Ubuntu with OOo3.2.1 (Deb from the OOo website). It does not show the things you report. A *.doc file has the familiar blue icon with a large W. Perhaps this is a Windows problem? Oh, it is entirely possible, even probable, that this problem may only be exhibited on windows systems, but I'm 99.99% certain it isn't a 'Windows problem' (big difference). Nothing has changed on the systems in question, except the OOo update. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 2010-06-07 1:29 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: Please file a bug report. This seems to be a Windows problem. On Macs the MS files are plain white(which is bad) and do not have the ODF icon(which is good). Someone has already filed a bug for bringing back the colors, and that's really all I want to see happen (like I said I actually like the new icons, except for the lack of colors), so I just voted for it and hope they will fix these other niggling little issues at the same time. http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=112141 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Quicken versus OOo spreadsheet
On 2010-06-01 11:20 PM, WANG, Xiaoyun wrote: Maybe it's off topic, I use Money Manager Ex to manage my financial accounts. Don't forget about GNUCash... http://www.gnucash.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: downloading openoffice
On 2010-06-02 1:08 PM, Twayne wrote: If you have windows and downloaded the right version of the program (e.g. for windows) it should have create a desktop icon folder with all the files necessary for intsallation in it. That's where you do the install from. If it\'s not on the desktop, look in the Programs folders. I've never seen downloaded files go into the Programs folder. I do know, however, that for some bizarre reason Firefox keeps changing the Downloads folder to My Documents Downloads (I like my downloads to go to the desktop)... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: downloading openoffice
On 2010-06-02 4:34 PM, Gene Young wrote: On 6/2/2010 2:45 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: I do know, however, that for some bizarre reason Firefox keeps changing the Downloads folder to My Documents Downloads (I like my downloads to go to the desktop)... That is because that is the default setting in FireFox. I know that. I have been managing 50+ Firefox instances on our network since about version 0.8... Go to Tools Options General tab and select the Save files to radio button and enter the path to your preferred location. Lol... Did you miss where I said it *keeps *changing** the location? I know where to define it, I just want it to not ever *change* it. Kind of like how the Thunderbird 3 update changed all of my carefully selected offline settings for my folders on my 16+ IMAP accounts, and just b!tch-slapped them all to be fully offline... oh, the weeping and gnashing of teeth... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Open Office won't open.
On 2010-05-31 6:25 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: PS -- taskmaster = Task Manager (via Ctrl-Alt-Del), Processes tab. Find and end any soffice.bin process, which is easiest to do from a list sorted in alpha order. There may be soffice.exe and other OOo processes, but they should all close when the soffice.bin is gone. Tip: A better way to tell people how to open the Task Manager on any version of windows (Windows 98 through 7) is: CTRL-SHIFT-ESC - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] download failure
On 2010-05-30 5:45 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: OK, your download timed out even on a broadband connection, so it definitely sounds as if you need a download manager. One (free) possibility I found by searching says it supports Win7 and can resume broken sessions, among other things. I haven't tried it, though. Here's the link: www.speedbit.com/dap/download/ It could also be some antivirus scanning the huge downloaded file... although usually it will stop/sit at 99% forever... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Force MS Office file type to be associated to OpenOffice
On 2010-05-26 4:29 PM, James Knott wrote: What other office suite does that? How many other (free) office suites are there on windows that can work with all of Microsoft's office file formats? Since it's the operating system that calls an app when a file is clicked, why should apps manage file attributes? As I mentioned in another note, changing file attributes in Windows is easy. Lots of applications manage their own file formats. This is nothing new, nor is it rocket science. No, it isn't. First, changing them that way does NOT work for templates. Second, average users *will* flock things up half the time when making changes that way. The bottom line is, as long as OOo goes out of its way (remember the devs *removed* the ability to manage these associations from the installer GUI, so now that is only available as a command-line install option) to make this *difficult* for end users (just look at all of the complaints and problems associated with this issue), it will continue to be considered a 2nd class citizen as compared to MSO. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Force MS Office file type to be associated to OpenOffice
On 2010-05-25 7:20 PM, NoOp wrote: On 05/25/2010 02:28 PM, David H. Lipman wrote: I didn't see that on some PCs where MS Office had been installed but removed prior to installing OO. I need an after installation option. Long read... but looks like it's being worked on: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96594 http://quaste.services.openoffice.org/index.php?option=com_tcstask=tcs_showtcsid=3112 Bah... I made a proper request for a proper File Association Manager long before that post: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=77257 This is a ridiculous situation, but apparently there is not much hope for a proper solution due to the arrogance of a few developers who happen to be the only ones in the position to do anything about it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Force MS Office file type to be associated to OpenOffice
On 2010-05-25 8:58 PM, Varun Mittal wrote: Right Click on sa a doc file + open with + select writer + tick the checkbox at bottom saying make the selected application as default for handling this kind of file This was you can make the OOO handling of MS files default. This only works for standard file types - templates don't work correctly when associated like this, making it only a partial workaround, not a proper solution. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Force MS Office file type to be associated to OpenOffice
On 2010-05-26 10:28 AM, O. Felka wrote: Tanstaafl schrieb: On 2010-05-25 7:20 PM, NoOp wrote: Bah... I made a proper request for a proper File Association Manager long before that post: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=77257 This is a ridiculous situation, but apparently there is not much hope for a proper solution due to the arrogance of a few developers who happen to be the only ones in the position to do anything about it. Talking about arrogance is the best way to motivate someone to work on a new feature. The 'arrogance' comment comes from the discussion that commenced from the opening of the bug, as well as a prior discussion online (don't remember where that took place) that resulted in me opening the bug in the first place. The devs in question made it quite clear that there was absolutely NO need for a way to manage these associations since it was possible to 'fix' them by performing a total reinstall (ridiculous waste of time/resources just to fix the file associations), since you could choose them via the GUI installer. Then, those same devs removed the option to select them from the GUI installer, and ridiculed me for suggesting that wasn't a good thing to do, saying that I could simply right-click open with blah blah to 'fix' them, which doesn't work for templates. I didn't start out calling them arrogant - that came after they made their arrogance plain as day. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Force MS Office file type to be associated to OpenOffice
On 2010-05-26 11:37 AM, jomali wrote: snip Let me understand your point of view. You think that developers, most of whom probably work in a *nix environment, to spend precious resources to develop functionality that only affects the windows environment and is already provided by the Windows OS are arrogant? No. 1. The functionality is *not* provided by the Windows OS - such a statement is demonstrably false, and 2. I think that developers who provide a product where the vast majority of users are in a Windows environment, should absolutely try to make things better for such users, not worse. Take off your blinders. My blinders fell off many years ago. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Force MS Office file type to be associated to OpenOffice
On 2010-05-26 3:06 PM, jomali wrote: Since I worked in Windows for many years before moving to a sane OS, and managed file associations regularly, I know that Windows does provide resources for associating file extensions with the programs to open them. What functionality does Windows lack that you want OOo to provide? A GUI interface directly in OOo that can manage the file associations for all of the files it is capable of opening - everything from repairing broken file associations (including associating template file types so that they work as templates are supposed to work), to restoring the file associations of non ODF file types that it took over at installation time to their previous state before it took them over. You know - something the average USER can use and understand, and that makes adminstering OOo a whole lot less painful. You didn't read my bug/feature request did you (don't answer, rhetorical question)... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Creating PDFs - PDF icon no longer working.?
On 2010-05-23 6:02 AM, David B Teague wrote: I didn't know about the PDF icon, I always use the file menu's export to PDF. I just tried both and both work here, with XP Pro SP3 on an old home brew computer. You might try: 1. View Toolbars Customize 2. Select 'Standard' toolbar if it isn't already selected 3. Scroll down and find the 'Export Directly as PDF' button 4. Select it, then click 'Modify' 'Restore Default Command' - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OOo QA website
On 2010-05-17 10:24 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: The OOo bugtracker is terrible: the bug summary is not in the page header, search results for vi do not return bugs with vi in the summary, when filing bugs marking the appropriate version is almost impossible. I am going to write to the devs with these issues, are there any more that I should mention? I'd really, really, really love to see a new category type, dedicated solely for people posting Documents that import badly (I guess this would be mostly MS Word, Excel and Powerpoint documents)... So, all that would be necessary/prompted for is the document, and a quick description of the formatting problem... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OT: What is Bottom Posting?/TSteel
On 2010-05-14 4:13 AM, Thomas Steel wrote: Dear Barbara: Thank you for yours. You seem to have missed my reply to you on 10 May under 'Incomprehensible Error Message'. You had given me a simple sequence, ending 'Click Repair'. I followed the sequence, but on clicking Repair, got: 'The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable' then 'Enter an alternate path to a folder containing the installation package in the box below' then 'The installation source for this package is not available. Verify that the source exists and that you can access it'. None of that made any sense to me I said: 'My cause seems hopeless (or is there a way through that?). TS Hi Thomas, I'm not Barbara, but she did in fact respond to this, with: The last I know of, you'd gotten information about how to find or recreate your OOo installation files, and try a reinstall/repair on your Windows 7/OOo 32. system. Has that gotten you anywhere? Have you been able to create and later edit another spreadsheet? The error message you received when you tried to 'Repair' the installation indicates that your original installation source files are gone, so you will need to re-download the Openoffice installation files, and when that error appears, navigate to the location of the recently downloaded/unzipped installation files, to allow the repair install to continue. Also, as you can now see, in the future, it is not a good idea to delete those files. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OT: What is Bottom Posting?/TSteel
On 2010-05-14 7:32 AM, Thomas Steel wrote: -- From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 12:18 PM To: users@openoffice.org Subject: Re: [users] OT: What is Bottom Posting?/TSteel On 2010-05-14 4:13 AM, Thomas Steel wrote: Dear Barbara: Thank you for yours. You seem to have missed my reply to you on 10 May under 'Incomprehensible Error Message'. You had given me a simple sequence, ending 'Click Repair'. I followed the sequence, but on clicking Repair, got: 'The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable' then 'Enter an alternate path to a folder containing the installation package in the box below' then 'The installation source for this package is not available. Verify that the source exists and that you can access it'. None of that made any sense to me I said: 'My cause seems hopeless (or is there a way through that?). TS Hi Thomas, I'm not Barbara, but she did in fact respond to this, with: The last I know of, you'd gotten information about how to find or recreate your OOo installation files, and try a reinstall/repair on your Windows 7/OOo 32. system. Has that gotten you anywhere? Have you been able to create and later edit another spreadsheet? The error message you received when you tried to 'Repair' the installation indicates that your original installation source files are gone, so you will need to re-download the Openoffice installation files, and when that error appears, navigate to the location of the recently downloaded/unzipped installation files, to allow the repair install to continue. Also, as you can now see, in the future, it is not a good idea to delete those files. By 're-downloadthe installation files', do you mean 're-install'? TS No. You cannot 'reinstall' until you first remedy the problem of the missing installation files - unless you do still have the original installer .exe file. By 'redownload', I mean, go to http://download.openoffice.org/, redownload the installer for the version of openoffice you have installed (I thin it was 3.2, right?). In order to perform a repair install, you wuold then need to extract the installation files to some location where you can *keep* them (dbl-clicking on the downloaded installer file will first extract the files). But, actually, I do believe that if you just go ahead and run the installer as if your were installing it for the first time, it will detect the current installation and prompt you to repair it, so that might be easier for you... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OT: What is Bottom Posting?/HairyFucherGuy
On 2010-05-12 4:25 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote: On 11 May 2010 12:17, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2010-05-11 3:15 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote: E-mail was designed for conversations. The clue is in the name: mail. Harold, would you *please* stop initiating your reply *inside* the quoted text of the person you are replying to? snip Yes. Sorry. It's not intentional. Do I do that a lot? Your comment implies I do. Well, you did it on almost every message in this thread, but I do see some others where you didn't, so I don't know if you do it 'a lot'. The main reason I notice it when people do that is I use an extension called QuoteCollapse in Thunderbird, which collapses quotes into single, expandable lines - which means if your reply is inside the text you are quoting, I won't see the first line at all unless I expand the quoted text (and if your reply is only one line, I won;t see anything from you at all)... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OT: What is Bottom Posting?/HairyFucherGuy
On 2010-05-11 3:15 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote: E-mail was designed for conversations. The clue is in the name: mail. Harold, would you *please* stop initiating your reply *inside* the quoted text of the person you are replying to? So, what was the point of adding the 'FreeLunchGuy' to the subject? Your inane way of trying to insult me? Anyway, apologies to the list, but this one was just too ridiculous to ignore... regardless, it will be my last on the subject... Like letters written with quill pens; two people conversing at a distance. Apples and Orangutans... context is everything. Exchanging letters is generally limited to only *two* people, with a potentially large amount of time in between each letter. Yes, an email exchange between John and his Mom is very similar to their exchanging letters via snail mail. But neither is even *remotely* similar to open email discussion lists, where potentially dozens, hundreds, or even *thousands* of people can participate. Such an environment requires some minimal rules to make it work. Failure to acknowledge this means you are being disingenuous at best, and at worst means you are either a troll or incapable of rational thought (and yes, I acknowledge that by continuing this discussion on list I'm breaking one of its rules). 'Carrying on a conversation' can only be done irt (in real time, ie, face to face, on the phone, via IM, etc)... however it is an analogy to the email 'conversation mode' mentioned earlier. e-mail *lists* came much later. One way commmunications were called, also appropriately, bulletin boards Depends... a BBS that doesn't allow for replies, yes, but... and/or news groups. Wrong again - I communicate the same way in newsgroups and forums as I do via email (I consider email more convenient, but to each his/her own). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: OT: What is Bottom Posting?/
On 2010-05-11 11:50 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2010/05/11 5:17 AM Tanstaafl wrote: So, what was the point of adding the 'FreeLunchGuy' to the subject? Your inane way of trying to insult me? Removed you insulting subject line. Harry did not initiate it. The poster he replied to did. You should apologize for your asinine comment. Actually, you are correct, as was pointed out to me by someone else privately... so, Harold, my apologies for my asinine comment that falsely ass-u-me-d that you had added that to the subject. I responded to your message before I got to the other one (sent 12 hours earlier) and didn't check to see who added it before hitting send... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OT: What is Bottom Posting? (was Re: [users] incomprehensible error message)
On 2010-05-10 3:49 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote: Bottom posting is placing your text below (at the bottom of) the text to which you are replying. Top posting is placing your text above (on top of) the text to which you are replying. There is a religious war about the sanctity of the one and the total ungodliness of the other. Please don't ask why. The third way is to intersperse your comments within the text, with each comment immediately below the text to which it relates. Actually, this is simply the *full* definition of 'bottom-posting', and is indeed the 'one true way'. ;) 'Bottom-posting'+'blindly quoting the entire message' - ie, without trimming/deleting the irrelevant/unnecessary text leaving only the text relevant to maintain context of the reply - is far worse than 'top-posting'+'blindly quoting entire message'. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OT: What is Bottom Posting?/TSteel
On 2010-05-10 4:42 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote: On 10 May 2010 09:32, Brewster Gillett b...@fdi.us wrote: bg: This is hardly rocket science. Posts are more easily and conveniently absorbed by the reader when they are arranged in their chronological order, oldest at the top, newest at the bottom. This is irrespective of whether they consist of multiple interspersions or not. Those of us who understand this may be forgiven for speculating that those who don't belong to some hitherto undiscovered species of primate :-) Brewster See what I mean? And even worse is 'bottom-posting'+'blindly quoting the entire message'+'inserting your reply such that it appears as part of the text you are quoting, rather than as a standalone reply, as you did here Harold. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OT: What is Bottom Posting? (was Re: [users] incomprehensible error message)
On 2010-05-10 2:53 PM, John Kaufmann wrote: In a message dated 2010.05.10 13:44 -0500, Harold Fuchs wrote: I was using e-mail before screens and before the local devices had any storage. Messages had to be printed as they came down the wire. If you top posted it meant the reader could hit the Break/Interrupt key after reading your stuff and avoid having to re-print stuff s/he already knew. Oh, you mean 110-baud teletype? I didn't realize anyone /ever/ bothered about context with that; We didn't... ;) I learned how to type in the Coast Guard at Loran-C stations where our primary means of communication was teletype... it was live communications, so there was no such thing as 'quoted text'... I thought it was just a messaging service, like SMS or tweet today. Exactly... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OT: What is Bottom Posting? (was Re: [users] incomprehensible error message)
On 2010-05-10 1:44 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote: On 10 May 2010 15:03, John Kaufmann kaufm...@nb.net wrote: snip Content of a follow-up post should exceed quoted content. Then Microsoft introduced Outlook, with default behavior of posting above a fully-quoted message, and top-posting soon became normal; as many users know, MS invented the Internet. John I was using e-mail before screens and before the local devices had any storage. Yeah, that's kind of obvious, since you can't seem to get this quting thing down at all... Messages had to be printed as they came down the wire. If you top posted it meant the reader could hit the Break/Interrupt key after reading your stuff and avoid having to re-print stuff s/he already knew. It was possible but hard to bottom post. It was possible but much harder to middle post. ??? You didn't do either on a teletype, you simply had a conversation, and if you needed to reference something, you went back and read the transcript... I'd have considered anyone who tried to bottom post (there's no such thing as middle-post) as mentally challenged/unstable. E-mail was designed for conversations. In a conversation it is not customary to repeat everything that's already been said before saying something new. Double ??? Email was designed for one way communications. Yes, you can use it in a kind of conversation mode, but it is only workable if a basic set of rules is adhered to - which is why email lists generally have such rules. On this list, the general rule is bottom-post and trim the crap. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OT: What is Bottom Posting? (was Re: [users] incomprehensible error message)
On 2010-05-10 3:06 PM, Erling Larsen wrote: Don't litter ours inboxes with yet another mega-thread about top/bottom posting. You will never come to an agreement.. Sorry, I thought this was the discuss list (again), where this kind of thing is allowed... I actually kind of enjoy debating this kind of thing... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
