date:20060425




On 4/25/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Bottom line for me is... I dont dig it. I feel like shitty about the
 whole thing. That I actually gave a shit about someone I didnt even
 know wasted emotions and wasted time. Art making aside fuck that.

Interesting, given that we pay for entertainment precisely to have our
emotions manipulated - whether we like to be scared or cry
sentimentally, we go to movies for that. I guess the difference is
that, with Hollywood, we know up front that it's fake.

Perhaps we're mad at Kevin because he got a free ride on the willing
suspension of disbelief ?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz




On 4/25/06, Jen Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I find the whole situation constantly problematic -- and is one of the
 reasons I am not going to teach in this setting again. Too many
 students, not enough time to talk about these issues, deep deep
 energies circulating that are sexist, racist, homophobic... many of you
 would not believe how horrible and offensive half the work made around
 here is. And it's defended in the name of not censoring the students.
 I don't believe in censorship, but I do believe in discussion.

Interesting in light of an article I was just reading about how many
schools are trying to stop their kids using MySpace (even from home)
and/or punishing kids who post nasty things about each other,
teachers, etc., no matter where they posted it from.

But apparently Temple feels that anything goes in the name of student freedom.

Perhaps there is, or will be, a correlation between students who spend
their high school years being ridiculously oppressed and censored and
those who go wild in college expressing themselves in all sorts of
inappropriate ways. Recent reports (which I have not read) about
on-campus nudie magazines would also seem to tie into this.

It comes back to a point that I keep making: teach kids to use the
Internet (and every other form of communication) EARLY and
RESPONSIBLY, rather than trying to rope them off from this big scary
place. Then they have a good chance to grow up to be young adults who
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On 4/25/06, Halcyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 **My experience with fake death online**

 Many years ago, I encouraged a young girl (that worked for me
 remotely at collegeclub.com) with cancer to start a blog.
 After she got quite a following, she eventually died.
 It turned out she never existed. Kaycee Nicole was a made up
 persona.
 I had to deal with ALOT of backlash and internal struggles, as well.

Not knowing this particular case, I don't know if this applies, but it
seems to me that someone trying to manipulate sympathies in this way
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz

2006-04-25 Thread Andreas Haugstrup




On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:29:08 +0200, Deirdre Straughan 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 4/25/06, Halcyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 **My experience with fake death online**

 Many years ago, I encouraged a young girl (that worked for me
 remotely at collegeclub.com) with cancer to start a blog.
 After she got quite a following, she eventually died.
 It turned out she never existed. Kaycee Nicole was a made up
 persona.
 I had to deal with ALOT of backlash and internal struggles, as well.

 Not knowing this particular case, I don't know if this applies, but it
 seems to me that someone trying to manipulate sympathies in this way
 and get attention actually does have some deep problems that need
 addressing - just not necessarily cancer!

Just an FYI. The Kaycee Nicole case is almost a mandatory topic when 
reading about blogs (it's certainly referenced a lot!). For once Snopes 
has better coverage than Wikipedia: 
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/kaycee.htm

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Re: [videoblogging] Fair Or Not (was The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz)




There are also some interesting theories about our ever-widening
circles of what/who we perceive to be us and therefore deserving of
fair treatment. Used to be that humans saw us-ness only in blood
kin/tribe - you still see vestiges (large ones, unfortunately) of
cultures that treat all the thems as less than human and therefore
not deserving of humane treatment. This kind of argument was used
until very recently even in enlightened societies to justify unfair
treatment of people of different skin colors or non-male people:
Science proves (as the science of the day often did) that those
creatures are inferior and would only be harmed by being allowed the
same rights as US.

With globalization and global communications, our sense of us can be
much larger than it's ever been, if we allow that to happen.

Some would argue that a further stage of evolution is recognizing the
us-ness of other animals, such as the pets we would never consider
eating (for most of us today) and, for strict vegetarians, the
any-animals-at-all that they would never consider eating (sorry, I
personally am not quite that enlightened yet, although, unlike many
Europeans, I don't eat horse).


On 4/25/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Agreed.

 Doesn't it feel heightened, more so every day?

 Could it be because netizens can collaborate more readily than any
 group in history of humanity larger than a handful we're _feeling_ our
 fairness instinct in a new manner?

 I'm very curious about this. Is it our sense of fairness the foundation
 for what comes out of our connectedness?

 It's interesting. Heh. Fairness. Of course it could just be the beers
 talking :)



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2006-04-25 Thread Michael Sullivan

Perhaps we're mad at Kevin because he got a free ride on the willingsuspension of disbelief ?
I'm not mad at Kevin. I'm not the blog police. I'm not really mad at myself either...for believing it.I don't like being tricked in this manner, but it is the reality.sull
On 4/25/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/25/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bottom line for me is... I dont dig it.I feel like shitty about the whole thing.That I actually gave a shit about someone I didnt even
know wasted emotions and wasted time.Art making aside fuck that.Interesting, given that we pay for entertainment precisely to have ouremotions manipulated - whether we like to be scared or cry
sentimentally, we go to movies for that. I guess the difference isthat, with Hollywood, we know up front that it's fake.Perhaps we're mad at Kevin because he got a free ride on the willingsuspension of disbelief ?
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2006-04-25 Thread Michael Sullivan

it'll all end (or begin?) in 2012 anyways ;-)On 4/25/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:There are also some interesting theories about our ever-wideningcircles of what/who we perceive to be us and therefore deserving of
fair treatment. Used to be that humans saw us-ness only in bloodkin/tribe - you still see vestiges (large ones, unfortunately) ofcultures that treat all the thems as less than human and therefore
not deserving of humane treatment. This kind of argument was useduntil very recently even in enlightened societies to justify unfairtreatment of people of different skin colors or non-male people:
Science proves (as the science of the day often did) that thosecreatures are inferior and would only be harmed by being allowed thesame rights as US.With globalization and global communications, our sense of us can be
much larger than it's ever been, if we allow that to happen.Some would argue that a further stage of evolution is recognizing theus-ness of other animals, such as the pets we would never considereating (for most of us today) and, for strict vegetarians, the
any-animals-at-all that they would never consider eating (sorry, Ipersonally am not quite that enlightened yet, although, unlike manyEuropeans, I don't eat horse).On 4/25/06, robert a/k/a r
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed. Doesn't it feel heightened, more so every day? Could it be because netizens can collaborate more readily than any group in history of humanity larger than a handful we're _feeling_ our
fairness instinct in a new manner? I'm very curious about this. Is it our sense of fairness the foundation for what comes out of our connectedness? It's interesting. Heh. Fairness. Of course it could just be the beers
talking :) On Apr 25, 2006, at 12:25 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote: We are evolved for it. There are lots of studies on humans and other primates about this. A sense of fairness, and the ability to detect
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Re: [videoblogging] Fair Or Not (was The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz)

2006-04-25 Thread Markus Sandy







sounds like mayan calendar time to me ;)

i was going to add a link to the Mayan Calendar Videocast but they seem
to have gone bye bye 

bummer



Michael Sullivan wrote:

  
it'll all end (or begin?) in 2012 anyways ;-)
  
  
  On 4/25/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
  There are also some interesting theories about our
ever-widening
circles of what/who we perceive to be "us" and therefore deserving of

fair treatment. Used to be that humans saw "us-ness" only in blood
kin/tribe - you still see vestiges (large ones, unfortunately) of
cultures that treat all the "thems" as less than human and therefore

not deserving of humane treatment. This kind of argument was used
until very recently even in "enlightened" societies to justify unfair
treatment of people of different skin colors or non-male people:
"Science proves" (as the science of the day often did) "that those
creatures are inferior and would only be harmed by being allowed the
same rights as US."

With globalization and global communications, our sense of "us" can be

much larger than it's ever been, if we allow that to happen.

Some would argue that a further stage of evolution is recognizing the
us-ness of other animals, such as the pets we would never consider
eating (for most of us today) and, for strict vegetarians, the

any-animals-at-all that they would never consider eating (sorry, I
personally am not quite that enlightened yet, although, unlike many
Europeans, I don't eat horse).


On 4/25/06, robert a/k/a r 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Agreed.

 Doesn't it feel heightened, more so every day?

 Could it be because netizens can collaborate more readily than any
 group in history of humanity larger than a handful we're _feeling_
our

 fairness instinct in a new manner?

 I'm very curious about this. Is it our sense of fairness the
foundation
 for what comes out of our connectedness?

 It's interesting. Heh. Fairness. Of course it could just be the
beers

 talking :)



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  We are evolved for it. There are lots of studies on humans
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detect

  (and desire to punish) cheaters, are part of what enables us
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[videoblogging] Re: Fair Or Not (was The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz)




This situation is a classic example of what happens when a member of a
community (including a relative outsider) makes a decision that goes
against the cultural norms that community. These norms are usually
left unspoken, but active members of the community have an implicit
understanding about what's kosher behavior and what's not. 

Coincidentally, over the weekend I blogged a great talk by Professor
Eric von Hippel from MIT's Sloan School. He researches the norms of
different cultures and communities, specifically regarding to how they
react to intellectual property. The bulk of his speech focused on an
amazing study he and a colleague did of A-list French chefs, and how
they react when their recipes get passed around. They have an unspoken
set of rules that allow people to use each other's recipes as long as
they're given credit for it, and they don't disseminate it to other
chefs without permission. And when chefs flagrantly copy someone
else's recipe without due credit, the community response is both swift
and harsh.

http://www.andycarvin.com/archives/2006/04/how_do_french_chefs.html

I know this is kinda apples and oranges compared to this situation,
but I thought it has some similar vibes 

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 I'd like to nominate fair as the central theme of our times, these 
 times, whether you choose to call them 2.0 or whatever.
 
 Seems we are more sensitive to fairness, I can't put my finger on 
 exactly why though.
 
 Is it because the ability to maintain community has become easier due 
 to the networky glue we're all high on, or is it something else?
 
 Music pricing, political shenanigans, nondisclosure of business 
 relationships, fair use, first amendment rights suppression, breaching 
 NC licenses, experimenting on unwitting audiences, I'm sure there's 
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[videoblogging] Re: wierd error when I post to group




No, it's not that kind of message. Blogger generates this message when
a person is trying to post to their blog via Blogger's email-to-blog
gateway. I've set up blogs that allow participants to blog via email,
and we used to get these errors occasionally. So someone has set up a
blogspot blog so they can subscribe to the list as a blog and get the
rss feed as well. It's a good idea - I'd actually like to use the RSS
feed from it to follow the list - but blogger's email interface is
really unreliable, and for now it seems to be bouncing messages.

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 their mailbox is full... and it's bouncing back to the original
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[videoblogging] Kevin's response (was re: the last hours - the death of a videoblogger)




Hi everyone,

Kevin Krutz posted a message on my blog last night. Since it was 
published publicly, I thought I would share it here.


Original blog entry:
http://www.andycarvin.com/archives/2006/04/the_death_of_a_video.html

Kevin's comments (and others as well):
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/acarvin/1382/



hey, i got in late tonight and checked my email to find this fiasco 
unfolded. I am extremely tired and can't respond to the bits of this 
discussion i've read. i would like to say that this post was not meant 
as a hoax--as to what it is now, i'm not so sure. It was meant as a 
response to an argument i had with a fellow film student who attends 
Columbia University. I argued, as i did in my final paper, that the new 
logging medium--it's new for me--is an oppertunity to potentially 
establish a new genre, the limits of film have been tested for over a 
century but vlogging is new. i was impressed with the believability of 
the vlogging medium, which was starkly different from what i've seen of 
reality tv for the last few years. I argued that if the conventions of 
vlogging could be manipulated then new artistic piece could be produced. 
I posted this to illustrate that point. I never thought it would 
generate such a debate because my audience has been about 20 people--all 
close friends since it's conception in feb.. Regardless, i believe that 
i will feel guilty for causing any strife--this was not meant for you.
I want to repond to any comments regarding this experiment, but i'm 
tired and need to sleep. I would like to say right now that, as to the 
excess of violence in my films and the films other my fellow students, 
there has been violence in cinema since Edwin S. Porter's The Great 
Train Robbery in 1903 and there will be violence in media as long as 
there is media. I also would like to point out that David Lynch, when 
asked about why he made EraserHead, said that it had a great deal to do 
with the violence of Philadelphia. My point is that Phila. is a violent 
place, that's the atmosphere that i live in, so some of that violence 
comes through. I also read a comment from...i can't remeber...anyway, he 
said that this piece was wrong because he felt a certain way and he 
didn't sign up for that. For this response i have no sympathy. I didn't 
sign up for the ideas i was exposed to when i started reading DeSade's 
Philosophy in the Bedroom yet my twelve year old eyes scanned the 
lines with horror and intrigue. I feel it's the same situation here. At 
any moment i could have put the book down, but morbid curiousity forced 
me onward. The people who were offended to reproach could have stopped 
watching this video, about someone they didn't know, at any time. I 
think this tendancy in humans to watch the atrocious (is that spelled 
right?) is what fueled this, to an extent. It's probably the same reason 
so many people watch those god awful reality shows. Anyway this was an 
experiment and perhaps it didn't work in the way i intended it to work, 
like i said, i'm tired. i would like to digest fully the comments made 
and respond when i'm less fatigued (I hate that word). Please email me 
with any comments.
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Re: [videoblogging] Fair Or Not (was The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz)

Kevin tried to post emails to this list last night, but was having technical troubles. This is what he wrote...
(the final paper he refers to is posted at (or will be once it uploads):
http://teaching.jensimmons.com/videoblogging/spring06/research.htm
along with video of his presentation.)

x-tad-smaller hey, i got in late tonight and checked my email to find this fiasco unfolded. I am extremely tired and can't respond to the bits of this discussion i've read. i would like to say that this post was not meant as a hoax--as to what it is now, i'm not so sure. It was meant as a response to an argument i had with a fellow film student who attends Columbia University. I argued, as i did in my final paper, that the new logging medium--it's new for me--is an opportunity to potentially establish a new genre, the limits of film have been tested for over a century but vlogging is new. i was impressed with the believability of the vlogging medium, which was starkly different from what i've seen of reality tv for the last few years. I argued that if the conventions of vlogging could be manipulated then new artistic piece could be produced. I posted this to illustrate that point. I never thought it would generate such a debate because my audience has been about 20 people--all close friends since it's conception in feb. Regardless, i believe that i will feel guilty for causing any strife--this was not meant for you.
I want to repond to any comments regarding this experiment, but i'm tired and need to sleep. I would like to say right now that, as to the excess of violence in my films and the films other my fellow students, there has been violence in cinema since Edwin S. Porter's The Great Train Robbery in 1903 and there will be violence in media as long as there is media. I also would like to point out that David Lynch, when asked about why he made EraserHead, said that it had a great deal to do with the violence of Philadelphia. My point is that Phila. is a violent place, that's the atmosphere that i live in, so some of that violence comes through. I also read a comment from...i can't remeber...anyway, he said that this piece was wrong because he felt a certain way and he didn't sign up for that. For this response i have no sympathy. I didn't sign up for the ideas i was exposed to when i started reading DeSade's Philosophy in the Bedroom yet my twelve year old eyes scanned the lines with horror and intrigue. I feel it's the same situation here. At any moment i could have put the book down, but morbid curiousity forced me onward. The people who were offended to reproach could have stopped watching this video, about someone they didn't know, at any time. I think this tendancy in humans to watch the atrocious (is that spelled right?) is what fueled this, to an extent. It's probably the same reason so many people watch those god awful reality shows. Anyway this was an experiment and perhaps it didn't work in the way i intended it to work, like i said, i'm tired. i would like to digest fully the comments made and respond when i'm less fatigued (I hate that word). Please email me with any comments.
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 Interesting, given that we pay for entertainment precisely to have our
 emotions manipulated - whether we like to be scared or cry
 sentimentally, we go to movies for that. I guess the difference is
 that, with Hollywood, we know up front that it's fake.
 
 Perhaps we're mad at Kevin because he got a free ride on the willing
 suspension of disbelief ?

That would be the Rollercoaster Effect. We ride rollercoasters because
we want to be scared, while knowing in the back of our minds that we
won't crash and die. This kind of fear with no physical consequences
can be fun. Emotional shocks to the system are only enjoyable when
they have the subconscious acknowledgment that what we're experiencing
isn't real. Watching a person get killed in a movie or a video game
can be enjoyable because we know in our heart it's only a movie. But
when we don't have that assurance, the experience is confusing,
stressful, helpless, horrifying. And finding out we've been played
makes it worse.

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[videoblogging] Re: The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz




Hear hear! I'm actually getting ready to launch a new education blog
for PBS and will be focusing on MySpace and censorship in my first
post. I may have to tackle Kevin's video as well, because it all comes
down to media literacy -andy


 It comes back to a point that I keep making: teach kids to use the
 Internet (and every other form of communication) EARLY and
 RESPONSIBLY, rather than trying to rope them off from this big scary
 place. Then they have a good chance to grow up to be young adults who
 use the Internet responsibly and with due respect for the feelings of
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Fair Or Not (was The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz)

2006-04-25 Thread Michael Sullivan

ironic. i just wrote a private message to some people that has this idea very much in mind!!On 4/25/06, Andy Carvin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:This situation is a classic example of what happens when a member of a
community (including a relative outsider) makes a decision that goesagainst the cultural norms that community. These norms are usuallyleft unspoken, but active members of the community have an implicitunderstanding about what's kosher behavior and what's not.
Coincidentally, over the weekend I blogged a great talk by ProfessorEric von Hippel from MIT's Sloan School. He researches the norms ofdifferent cultures and communities, specifically regarding to how they
react to intellectual property. The bulk of his speech focused on anamazing study he and a colleague did of A-list French chefs, and howthey react when their recipes get passed around. They have an unspoken
set of rules that allow people to use each other's recipes as long asthey're given credit for it, and they don't disseminate it to otherchefs without permission. And when chefs flagrantly copy someoneelse's recipe without due credit, the community response is both swift
and harsh.http://www.andycarvin.com/archives/2006/04/how_do_french_chefs.htmlI know this is kinda apples and oranges compared to this situation,
but I thought it has some similar vibesandy--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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exactly why though. Is it because the ability to maintain community has become easier due to the networky glue we're all high on, or is it something else? Music pricing, political shenanigans, nondisclosure of business
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[videoblogging] Re: The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz

2006-04-25 Thread missbhavens1969




--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 4/24/06, missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I said real, not truthful, factual, or non-fiction, because I think
 something like Chasing Windmills, while explicitly fictional, hits at
 truths and is real in its way. Perhaps because it is honest about
 being fiction.

As I recall, there was some confusion about the ficticiousness (is that a word) of CW early 
on because they mentioned that we are not actors. 


My point was not that Kevin would have hesitated
 to do this because of a sense of community or sense of belonging
 (though given what Jen has said about how her students don't perceive
 their audience, perhaps he would have). My point is that he didn't
 have some lesson to learn by posting it, unless he has never ever been
 in an online community before-- these stupid hoaxes crop up
 frequently, in one place or another. 

But this guy didn't approach this as a hoax to fool ANY community. I didn't see any 
PayPal button for donations in his memory. It was an assigment. I don't think there is any 
reason hor him to feel defensive or to feel that he should join this list and explain himself 
in any way.


 Here's what Kevin has going for him in terms of this community:
 1) He doesn't seem to have set out to deceive anyone except the
 hapless visitors to his vlog. He didn't promo the video here or hype
 his death movie.
 2) Jen posted QUICKLY to dispel the idea of his death, so the
 speculation did not get out of hand.
 3) We've all been young and foolish. Or old and foolish. In any case,
 should he decide to join this community, I doubt he's going to get
 cold-shouldered just because of this particular stunt (see item #1 for
 the main reason why).
 4) His production values of his work are decent, and we can all
 appreciate well-edited videos.
 5) A sizeable handful of people respect him more for this stupid prank
 because they think of it as art, than they would have if he'd just
 posted a video showing his real life.

 --Stephanie

Again. Stunt. Prank. These lables are yours. His was probably more like I want a decent 
grade.

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Re: [videoblogging] Compression settings make a difference?

Vimeo's recommending Sorensen 3 and QDesign Music 2??? God. What is it 2001?? That's _really_ bad advice!

The whole reason that internet video is taking off is because of the maturity of several technologies and the emergence of new tools. Video compression has improved tremendously since the days when Sorensen 3 was the best thing out there. That's Quicktime 5 technology -- and I have no idea why someone would recommend it now.

Mpeg-4 compression like freevlog teaches is Quicktime 6 Player compatible. The H-264 codec that Apple is pushing needs Quicktime 7. Use one of these technologies. I use and teach the first. Other people like the second better. There's something to be said for not always using the cutting-edge newest technology because it takes a while for people to upgrade their software. But, hey, Quicktime 6 came out almost four years ago in July 2002.
I haven't heard of anyone pushing the Quicktime 5 stuff!!!

Sorensen (at settings that download over U.S. high-speed connection speed without waiting) has a lot of compression artifacts, and QDesign Music 2 usually sounds really really bad. In my opinion, that's the _worst_ advice of all -- that's pre-mp3 technology, from back before anyone wanted to compress music digitally because it sounded so bad!

It's great you experimented to see which you liked better. Those are important skills to work on -- understanding what's happening and trying out a lot of settings for yourself. Try out mpeg-4 vs. h264, that will be more relevant to today's technology.

And whoever runs vimeo should really change that advice! Come-on

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On Apr 24, 2006, at 4:43 PM, M. Mart wrote:

To edit my videos using iMovie on my Mac I relied on the settings provided by Michael and Ryanne on their great Freevlog.org site. Those settings have served my site well, both in .mov and .wmv formats.

Today I read on Vimeo.com’s Upload Guide different recommended settings. Following the Vimeo settings as shown below I reformatted an existing QuickTime video and played them side by side. The Vimeo settings worked well, with the only difference being the Vimeo settings produce a file size of 30.28MB vs 14.95MB for Freevlog. The two of us here differ as to which output is slightly better.
Has any one here experimented with the two settings? Do these setting differences affect how videos appear in the browser?

Vimeo.com:
Under Video, click Settings.
Compression Type: Sorensen Video 3.
Frame rate: Current fps.
Key Frames: Every 60 frames.
Data rate: Restrict to 1200 kbits/sec.
Quality: Best.

Under Sound, click Settings.
Format: QDesign Music 2
Channels: Stereo (L R)
Rate: 44.100.
Click Options and set the bitrate to 48kbits/s.

Freevlog.org
Compression MPEG-4
Rate frame: 15
Key Frames: 5

Compressor at: Medium
Data Rate: 600 kbits
Sound AAC
Mono
Bite Rate 24 kilohertz

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz

2006-04-25 Thread Harold Johnson




On 4/25/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 4/25/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bottom line for me is... I dont dig it. I feel like shitty about the whole thing. That I actually gave a shit about someone I didnt even know wasted emotions and wasted time. Art making aside fuck that.

Interesting, given that we pay for entertainment precisely to have ouremotions manipulated - whether we like to be scared or crysentimentally, we go to movies for that. I guess the difference is
that, with Hollywood, we know up front that it's fake.

Do we, though (know up front)? Recall 'The Blair Witch Project', which was marketed as being an actual account...Not until it hit the mainstream did the majority of people know it was real. Even today, there are a few foolish people who believe the event actually occurred.


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz




On 4/25/06, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That would be the Rollercoaster Effect. We ride rollercoasters because
 we want to be scared, while knowing in the back of our minds that we
 won't crash and die. This kind of fear with no physical consequences
 can be fun. Emotional shocks to the system are only enjoyable when
 they have the subconscious acknowledgment that what we're experiencing
 isn't real. Watching a person get killed in a movie or a video game
 can be enjoyable because we know in our heart it's only a movie. But
 when we don't have that assurance, the experience is confusing,
 stressful, helpless, horrifying. And finding out we've been played
 makes it worse.

And yet millions of people have watched videos of real people being
really beheaded. (Not me - it's an impulse I totally don't understand,
I don't like to see violence even when I know it's fake.) And back in
classical Rome, real horrible violent death was entertainment for the
masses.

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[videoblogging] The New Pickle Player Is Free And Improved

2006-04-25 Thread softballjunk




Thats right, your friends at PodcastPickle.com have made a new Podcast 
Player. It is called the Pickle Player. We have 2 versions now. One 
version is a single episode player. The second is for your entire RSS 
feed. The best thing about the Pickle Player is that it is free for 
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[videoblogging] Looking for an LA correspondent...

2006-04-25 Thread Casey McKinnon




I'm looking for someone in or around LA interested in attending the E3
video game expo (http://www.e3expo.com/) between May 10-12th, 2006, on
behalf of Galacticast. Please send me an e-mail at galacticast at
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz




On 4/25/06, Harold Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  Interesting, given that we pay for entertainment precisely to have our
  emotions manipulated - whether we like to be scared or cry
  sentimentally, we go to movies for that. I guess the difference is
  that, with Hollywood, we know up front that it's fake.



 Do we, though (know up front)? Recall 'The Blair Witch Project', which was
 marketed as being an actual account...Not until it hit the mainstream did
 the majority of people know it was real. Even today, there are a few
 foolish people who believe the event actually occurred.

And do those who originally thought so feel cheated, manipulated, etc.?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz

2006-04-25 Thread Harold Johnson




Here's the way I see it: If you're going to do a prank, do it well. Did anyone see the film The Game? Now that was a good prank...

I'm going to address a few things here. I'm not outraged by Kevin's prank, though perhaps it's because I suspected it was phony from the get-go. There were too many indications that the video was a stunt. That said, the video itself was nicely executed: Convincing enough to make you wonder, at least. A decent prank, to say the least.


Thequasi-motto/warning I've posted on my site for a long time has been some variation of: Don't believe everything youhear... (Sometimes it's see, other times it's both see and hear -- other times I get silly and post But believe everything you read! or something to that effect.) The reason I post this motto/warning is because I've never completely decided whether I wish my blog/site/project to be fully personal truth, or mixed/distorted by fiction. Everything is distorted by perspective -- every portrayal of truth out there -- so I guess you could argue that by project is more of the latter, distorted by fiction. Yet I aim to tell the truth in my own way, though not by stretching the truth to the point of hoax.


That said, I've been tempted to hoax, though I haven't given in to the temptation yet. I don't plan to, either: It's much to easy. It's a cheap way to gather an audience, though it's fun to conceptualize and execute. I have friends who always prank, and it'sgreat fun just coming up with ideas. For years, a friend of mine has wanted to walk into a bank wearing a ski mask. I chuckle thinking about it. (Then, after chuckling a bit, I realize that it's not very original, really, is it?)


Jen, let Kevin know this: He's got some interesting concepts, and he should continue to work them out. Let him know that some people expect certain boundaries, though it's his choice whether to reject them or not. There may be consequencesfor disrespecting those boundaries -- such as cheapening the value of his art, or losing an audience/group of peers, or far worse-- but he may find his own value in fulfilling these stunts, values which outweigh the consequences. It's his call, ultimately, depending on his goals.


Yet he's got some interesting concepts: I felt his video The Will was a great idea, but poorly performed and produced. Still, I applaud the effort. Encourage Kevin to continue with concepts like that, if he is so inclined...


Sincerely,

Harold
Something That Happened:
a story unfolding through audio
http://SomethingThatHappened.com




On 4/25/06, missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 4/24/06, missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I said real, not truthful, factual, or non-fiction, because I think something like Chasing Windmills, while explicitly fictional, hits at
 truths and is real in its way. Perhaps because it is honest about being fiction.
As I recall, there was some confusion about the ficticiousness (is that a word) of CW early on because they mentioned that we are not actors. 
My point was not that Kevin would have hesitated to do this because of a sense of community or sense of belonging (though given what Jen has said about how her students don't perceive
 their audience, perhaps he would have). My point is that he didn't have some lesson to learn by posting it, unless he has never ever been in an online community before-- these stupid hoaxes crop up
 frequently, in one place or another. 
But this guy didn't approach this as a hoax to fool ANY community. I didn't see any PayPal button for donations in his memory. It was an assigment. I don't think there is any 
reason hor him to feel defensive or to feel that he should join this list and explain himself in any way.
 Here's what Kevin has going for him in terms of this community: 1) He doesn't seem to have set out to deceive anyone except the hapless visitors to his vlog. He didn't promo the video here or hype
 his death movie. 2) Jen posted QUICKLY to dispel the idea of his death, so the speculation did not get out of hand. 3) We've all been young and foolish. Or old and foolish. In any case,
 should he decide to join this community, I doubt he's going to get cold-shouldered just because of this particular stunt (see item #1 for the main reason why). 4) His production values of his work are decent, and we can all
 appreciate well-edited videos. 5) A sizeable handful of people respect him more for this stupid prank because they think of it as art, than they would have if he'd just posted a video showing his real life.
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[videoblogging] Re: The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz




True; that'll have to be called the car crash rubbernecking effect.

ac


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 4/25/06, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  That would be the Rollercoaster Effect. We ride rollercoasters because
  we want to be scared, while knowing in the back of our minds that we
  won't crash and die. This kind of fear with no physical consequences
  can be fun. Emotional shocks to the system are only enjoyable when
  they have the subconscious acknowledgment that what we're experiencing
  isn't real. Watching a person get killed in a movie or a video game
  can be enjoyable because we know in our heart it's only a movie. But
  when we don't have that assurance, the experience is confusing,
  stressful, helpless, horrifying. And finding out we've been played
  makes it worse.
 
 And yet millions of people have watched videos of real people being
 really beheaded. (Not me - it's an impulse I totally don't understand,
 I don't like to see violence even when I know it's fake.) And back in
 classical Rome, real horrible violent death was entertainment for the
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Fair Or Not (was The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz)

2006-04-25 Thread Markus Sandy







once again

i think this is part of the group mirroring mechanism that was set up
by ryan ozawa



Andy Carvin wrote:

  This situation is a classic example of what happens when a member of a
community (including a relative outsider) makes a decision that goes
against the cultural norms that community. These norms are usually
left unspoken, but active members of the community have an implicit
understanding about what's kosher behavior and what's not. 

Coincidentally, over the weekend I blogged a great talk by Professor
Eric von Hippel from MIT's Sloan School. He researches the norms of
different cultures and communities, specifically regarding to how they
react to intellectual property. The bulk of his speech focused on an
amazing study he and a colleague did of A-list French chefs, and how
they react when their recipes get passed around. They have an unspoken
set of rules that allow people to use each other's recipes as long as
they're given credit for it, and they don't disseminate it to other
chefs without permission. And when chefs flagrantly copy someone
else's recipe without due credit, the community response is both swift
and harsh.

http://www.andycarvin.com/archives/2006/04/how_do_french_chefs.html

I know this is kinda apples and oranges compared to this situation,
but I thought it has some similar vibes 

andy


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I'd like to nominate "fair" as the central theme of our times, these 
times, whether you choose to call them 2.0 or whatever.

Seems we are more sensitive to fairness, I can't put my finger on 
exactly why though.

Is it because the ability to maintain community has become easier due 
to the networky glue we're all high on, or is it something else?

Music pricing, political shenanigans, nondisclosure of business 
relationships, fair use, first amendment rights suppression, breaching 
NC licenses, experimenting on unwitting audiences, I'm sure there's 
more but you get the gist.

  
  




 
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[videoblogging] videos shot by cell phones

2006-04-25 Thread dinarebecca




Hi there! Does anyone have favorite vlogs or vloggers that use a cell
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[videoblogging] Re: videos shot by cell phones

2006-04-25 Thread daweedrex




I seriously doubt mine is anyone's favorite - but I pretty much create my vlogs using a Treo 650. My video blog is located at: www.davidleeking.com/etcIt's actually quite fun - I have the Treo with me pretty much all the time, so I'm experimenting with what I can do - the two biggest problems so far? audio (the sound's not very good quality) and the video can be pretty basic at times, too (so why am I doing this with my cell phone again? :-) )David--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "dinarebecca" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there!  Does anyone have favorite vlogs or vloggers that use a cell phone to shoot video?  If so, let me know...we are working on a cool project related to cell phone videos...you can reach me here or at dinaATblip.tv.  Thanks!  Dina (from blip)






  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: videos shot by cell phones

2006-04-25 Thread Josh Wolf





On Apr 25, 2006, at 11:12 AM, daweedrex wrote:

 (so why am I doing this with my cell phone again? :-) )
Because you can... I'm on my way to work, so I don't have time 
actually check out your stuff... but, the fact that you're doing 
something hardly anyone else is, is reason enough to do it.




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[videoblogging] Re: videos shot by cell phones

2006-04-25 Thread dinarebecca




Great! Thanks so much I will take a look - and I think it's a very
cool technology so hopefully the phones will improve soon! :)

Dina (from blip)

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, daweedrex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I seriously doubt mine is anyone's favorite - but I pretty much create
 my vlogs using a Treo 650. My video blog is located at:
 www.davidleeking.com/etc http://www.davidleeking.com/etc
 
 It's actually quite fun - I have the Treo with me pretty much all the
 time, so I'm experimenting with what I can do - the two biggest problems
 so far? audio (the sound's not very good quality) and the video can be
 pretty basic at times, too (so why am I doing this with my cell phone
 again? :-) )
 
 David
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] videos shot by cell phones

2006-04-25 Thread kelly belly




I hardly post these videos on my videoblog, but I use blip frequently 
to post videos from my cell phone while I'm away from my computer.

http://kellybelly.blip.tv/

They're not all that interesting ... but it still is fun to do.

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[videoblogging] Why videoblogging continues to grow in importance

2006-04-25 Thread Jay dedman




Public Access TV is not the favorite channel for Americans.
But in many communities, it is the only TV channel that actually shows
people like them talking...and expresses their opinions and ideas.
As many of you know, I worked at a public access TV in Manhattan until recently.
I brought many of the philophies I learned at this community TV
station to videoblogging.
Get everyone involved in the conversation.

These community TV stations are funded by a franchise agreement with
the Cable companies who are given a private monopoly to run the cable
system in a given city.
All they must do is give back some channel space and a small amount of
funding to allow the people to put on their own programming. Its
literally pennies comapred to their multi-million dollar yearly
porfits.

Unfortunately, this system will probably soon end.
http://tinyurl.com/qm48m

In my mind, this makes Videoblogging even more important.and each
of our efforts to spread the knowledge of how to get involved. Strange
days.

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Re: [videoblogging] Why videoblogging continues to grow in importance

2006-04-25 Thread wlight




 Public Access TV is not the favorite channel for Americans.
 But in many communities, it is the only TV channel that actually shows
 people like them talking...and expresses their opinions and ideas.
 As many of you know, I worked at a public access TV in Manhattan until 
recently.
 I brought many of the philophies I learned at this community TV
 station to videoblogging.
 Get everyone involved in the conversation.

Interesting that you bring this up at this time. I got my taste for video 
production working as a producer for a community access TV show called Sex 
Life Live (http://www.sexlifelive.org). In some ways, my vlog is an 
attempt at staying in a medium and hobby I've grown to enjoy working with.

On top of that, though, is that my local NPR radio station is doing a 
membership drive, and I had a long, hard talk with myself about why I 
didn't feel the need to donate to NPR even though I do listen to NPR for 
something like 30-60 minutes every day while I'm in my car. The reason, 
ultimately, came down to two things:

(1) NPR might serve the public interest, but only by serving a majority of 
the public at the expense of certain groups. My choices in lifestyle 
cause me to fall into several of those groups, and so I feel unrepresented 
by NPR. If NPR went away, my car's radio would play podcasts like 
Polyamory Weekly and Thelema Coast to Coast, which are produced by, and 
for, people more like me than NPR.

(2) It's public radio, but AFAIK, it's the copyright of NPR. If I pay 
membership donations to NPR, and it's really serving the public interest, 
then I would think the public should be able to reuse and rebroadcast that 
material as it wishes. By comparison, while podcasts and vlogs sare still 
copyrighted, there's a culture of sharing and distribution that just isn't 
there otherwise.

Sans the digital divide, I'm starting to think podcasting and vlogging are 
poised to serve public interests at the expense of things like public 
access TV, NPR, and PBS.

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[videoblogging] comparison of quicktime compression techniques




Hi everyone,

One of my vlog viewers asked me for an explanation of various quicktime 
compression techniques. I've just published my response:

http://www.andycarvin.com/archives/2006/04/andys_video_blogging.html

In this demonstration, I start with a 10 megabyte video shot in avi 
format, 30 frames per second, 640x480 pixels, 16 bit stereo. I then 
produced seven compressed versions of it, including ones that utilize 
varying frame rates, screen sizes, compression codecs, and audio 
compression. The most compressed version I created is 97% smaller than 
the original avi video, and is potentially quite suitable for video 
blogging in low-bandwidth situations around the world. Some examples:

Original uncompressed video (10 megs):
http://www.andycarvin.com/video/demo-nocompression.avi

Significant compression (1.8 megs, 82% reduction):
http://www.andycarvin.com/video/demo-3ivx.mov

Extreme compression (292 bits, 97% reduction):
http://www.andycarvin.com/video/demo-3ivx8bit160.mov

Here's a chart featuring all of the videos and their settings:

http://www.andycarvin.com/compressiontable.html

Hope this is useful,
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Re: [videoblogging] comparison of quicktime compression techniques

Hey Andy,I just looked at your post quickly and noticed that you didn't seem to limit the bit rate on any of those clips. By limiting the bit rate you can get very similar results at much much lower bit rates. For example - take your smallest clip. You compressed it using 3ivx at 160 X 120 pixels, 15fps but the bit rate is 420kbits/sec - about 8X too big to progressive download over a dialup modem.
Here's a video that I did last year as a test to see what what videoblogging would look like on dialup. I used 3ivx, 160 X 120 pixels, 8fps and I limited the bit rate to something like 33 kbits/sec. The result is my 45 sec video comes in at 271K (
48.77kbits/sec) while your 5 sec video comes in at 285K (420.28kbits/sec).I think the idea of doing a compression matrix with a single test clip at set bit rates is a great idea. I'd love to help put one together using mpeg4, 3ivx,
h.264, windows media 9, and Flash 8 - using single and double pass where available.-VerdiOn 4/25/06, Andy Carvin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi everyone,One of my vlog viewers asked me for an explanation of various quicktime
compression techniques. I've just published my response:http://www.andycarvin.com/archives/2006/04/andys_video_blogging.html
In this demonstration, I start with a 10 megabyte video shot in aviformat, 30 frames per second, 640x480 pixels, 16 bit stereo. I thenproduced seven compressed versions of it, including ones that utilizevarying frame rates, screen sizes, compression codecs, and audio
compression.The most compressed version I created is 97% smaller thanthe original avi video, and is potentially quite suitable for videoblogging in low-bandwidth situations around the world. Some examples:
Original uncompressed video (10 megs):http://www.andycarvin.com/video/demo-nocompression.aviSignificant compression (1.8 megs, 82% reduction):
http://www.andycarvin.com/video/demo-3ivx.movExtreme compression (292 bits, 97% reduction):
http://www.andycarvin.com/video/demo-3ivx8bit160.movHere's a chart featuring all of the videos and their settings:http://www.andycarvin.com/compressiontable.html
Hope this is useful,andyAndy Carvinacarvin (at) edc . organdycarvin (at) yahoo . comhttp://www.digitaldivide.net
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Re: [videoblogging] comparison of quicktime compression techniques




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[videoblogging] Re: comparison of quicktime compression techniques




Actually, I created a bunch of clips with various bit rates, but when
I then reviewed their file size, for some reason I saw little
difference in them. For example:

Video set to 50kbps max:

http://www.andycarvin.com/video/demo-3ivx50.mov

video set to 25 max:

http://www.andycarvin.com/video/demo-3ivx25.mov

But the difference in file size was marginal: 1.6 vs. 1.4 megs.
Meanwhile, if I didn't set a max bit rate, the file was only 1.8 megs.
I tried to spend some time figuring out what was behind this, but it
started eating up my entire day, so I decided to drop it and post what
I'd already figured out (not to mention the fact that I'm supposedly
launching a new blog on Thursday and should be working on that). 

Perhaps the issue is that the files were so small already that setting
a max bit rate offers marginal change at best? Maybe I should do this
again with larger files so the bit rate difference is more noticeable?

thanks
andy


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Andy,
 I just looked at your post quickly and noticed that you didn't seem
to limit
 the bit rate on any of those clips. By limiting the bit rate you can get
 very similar results at much much lower bit rates.
 For example - take your smallest clip. You compressed it using 3ivx
at 160 X
 120 pixels, 15fps but the bit rate is 420kbits/sec - about 8X too big to
 progressive download over a dialup modem.
 Here's a video that I did last year as a test to see what what
videoblogging
 would look like on dialup. I used 3ivx, 160 X 120 pixels, 8fps and I
limited
 the bit rate to something like 33 kbits/sec.
 The result is my 45 sec video comes in at 271K (48.77kbits/sec)
while your 5
 sec video comes in at 285K (420.28kbits/sec).
 
 I think the idea of doing a compression matrix with a single test
clip at
 set bit rates is a great idea. I'd love to help put one together using
 mpeg4, 3ivx, h.264, windows media 9, and Flash 8 - using single and
double
 pass where available.
 
 -Verdi
 
 On 4/25/06, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi everyone,
 
  One of my vlog viewers asked me for an explanation of various
quicktime
  compression techniques. I've just published my response:
 
  http://www.andycarvin.com/archives/2006/04/andys_video_blogging.html
 
  In this demonstration, I start with a 10 megabyte video shot in avi
  format, 30 frames per second, 640x480 pixels, 16 bit stereo. I then
  produced seven compressed versions of it, including ones that utilize
  varying frame rates, screen sizes, compression codecs, and audio
  compression. The most compressed version I created is 97% smaller
than
  the original avi video, and is potentially quite suitable for video
  blogging in low-bandwidth situations around the world. Some examples:
 
  Original uncompressed video (10 megs):
  http://www.andycarvin.com/video/demo-nocompression.avi
 
  Significant compression (1.8 megs, 82% reduction):
  http://www.andycarvin.com/video/demo-3ivx.mov
 
  Extreme compression (292 bits, 97% reduction):
  http://www.andycarvin.com/video/demo-3ivx8bit160.mov
 
  Here's a chart featuring all of the videos and their settings:
 
  http://www.andycarvin.com/compressiontable.html
 
  Hope this is useful,
  andy
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: comparison of quicktime compression techniques

2006-04-25 Thread Andreas Haugstrup




On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:35:08 +0200, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Actually, I created a bunch of clips with various bit rates, but when
 I then reviewed their file size, for some reason I saw little
 difference in them. For example:

That is because your clip is very short. If the clip is only one second 
the difference in file size will be equal to the bitrate (ie. with 50kbps 
and 25kbps the difference in file size will be 25kb or about 3 kilobyte). 
If the clip is one minute the difference will be larger (375 kilobyte 
versus 188 kilobyte, a difference of 187 kilobyte).

And my examples are fictional of course. There is noticable overhead with 
really small files.

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Re: [videoblogging] Fair Or Not (was The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz)

2006-04-25 Thread Devlon




Kevin left a comment on loadedpun.com

The part I enjoyed most:
I am happy that that a dialouge about this issue was generated and i
hope nobody was seriously disturbed by this. If you were you
shouldn't take art and life too seriously, life is weird and tuff
enough without getting worked up about what a skinny cat from Philly
posted on the web.

On 4/25/06, Jen Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Kevin tried to post emails to this list last night, but was having
 technical troubles. This is what he wrote...
 (the final paper he refers to is posted at (or will be once it uploads):
 http://teaching.jensimmons.com/videoblogging/spring06/research.htm
 along with video of his presentation.)

  hey, i got in late tonight and checked my email to find this fiasco
 unfolded. I am extremely tired and can't respond to the bits of this
 discussion i've read. i would like to say that this post was not meant
 as a hoax--as to what it is now, i'm not so sure. It was meant as a
 response to an argument i had with a fellow film student who attends
 Columbia University. I argued, as i did in my final paper, that the new
 logging medium--it's new for me--is an opportunity to potentially
 establish a new genre, the limits of film have been tested for over a
 century but vlogging is new. i was impressed with the believability of
 the vlogging medium, which was starkly different from what i've seen of
 reality tv for the last few years. I argued that if the conventions of
 vlogging could be manipulated then new artistic piece could be
 produced. I posted this to illustrate that point. I never thought it
 would generate such a debate because my audience has been about 20
 people--all close friends since it's conception in feb. Regardless, i
 believe that i will feel guilty for causing any strife--this was not
 meant for you.
 I want to repond to any comments regarding this experiment, but i'm
 tired and need to sleep. I would like to say right now that, as to the
 excess of violence in my films and the films other my fellow students,
 there has been violence in cinema since Edwin S. Porter's The Great
 Train Robbery in 1903 and there will be violence in media as long as
 there is media. I also would like to point out that David Lynch, when
 asked about why he made EraserHead, said that it had a great deal to do
 with the violence of Philadelphia. My point is that Phila. is a violent
 place, that's the atmosphere that i live in, so some of that violence
 comes through. I also read a comment from...i can't remeber...anyway,
 he said that this piece was wrong because he felt a certain way and
 he didn't sign up for that. For this response i have no sympathy. I
 didn't sign up for the ideas i was exposed to when i started reading
 DeSade's Philosophy in the Bedroom yet my twelve year old eyes
 scanned the lines with horror and intrigue. I feel it's the same
 situation here. At any moment i could have put the book down, but
 morbid curiousity forced me onward. The people who were offended to
 reproach could have stopped watching this video, about someone they
 didn't know, at any time. I think this tendancy in humans to watch the
 atrocious (is that spelled right?) is what fueled this, to an extent.
 It's probably the same reason so many people watch those god awful
 reality shows. Anyway this was an experiment and perhaps it didn't work
 in the way i intended it to work, like i said, i'm tired. i would like
 to digest fully the comments made and respond when i'm less fatigued (I
 hate that word). Please email me with any comments.
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[videoblogging] Re: comparison of quicktime compression techniques




That explains it. Part of the problem is that much of my target
audience is in the developing world, and starting with a clip much
larger than 10 megs if prohibitive for them to access in the first
place. I may just have to describe the differences next time rather
than demonstrate them.

andy

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 On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:35:08 +0200, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Actually, I created a bunch of clips with various bit rates, but when
  I then reviewed their file size, for some reason I saw little
  difference in them. For example:
 
 That is because your clip is very short. If the clip is only one
second 
 the difference in file size will be equal to the bitrate (ie. with
50kbps 
 and 25kbps the difference in file size will be 25kb or about 3
kilobyte). 
 If the clip is one minute the difference will be larger (375 kilobyte 
 versus 188 kilobyte, a difference of 187 kilobyte).
 
 And my examples are fictional of course. There is noticable overhead
with 
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[videoblogging] Re: comparison of quicktime compression techniques

2006-04-25 Thread Stan Hirson, Sarah Jones




I would suggest that the test clip have more movement than Verdi on the
toilet (pardon the pun) -- although I thought it was funny as hell and
laughed all he way through it -- or the aquarium. I was doing similar
tests for a vlog about horses, and reluctantly settled on H.264 until I
found out that Flash 8 gave me the quality and the bitrate I needed at
the 30 fps for the horses in motion. You can see a sample of Flash MX
and Flash 8 comparison tests here:
http://hestakaup.typepad.com/hestablog/2006/02/flash_test.html
I just point this out because until I used the motion clip and tested it
with Flash 8, I would have been so unhappy with the compression that I
may not have even vlogged this subject thinking the technology was not
there!

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 Hey Andy,
.
 I think the idea of doing a compression matrix with a single test clip
at
 set bit rates is a great idea. I'd love to help put one together using
 mpeg4, 3ivx, h.264, windows media 9, and Flash 8 - using single and
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: comparison of quicktime compression techniques




On 4/25/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is because your clip is very short. If the clip is only one secondthe difference in file size will be equal to the bitrate (ie. with 50kbpsand 25kbps the difference in file size will be 25kb or about 3 kilobyte).
If the clip is one minute the difference will be larger (375 kilobyteversus 188 kilobyte, a difference of 187 kilobyte).And my examples are fictional of course. There is noticable overhead withreally small files.
Exactly. The thing to do is to test the same 30 sec clip at various bit rates.Maybe total Video  Audio rates of:600kbits/sec400kbits/sec200kbits/sec50kbits/sec-Verdi






  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] .swf or .flv

.flv is to .swf as .psd is to .jpg.

In other words -- the .flv file is the original huge working document that you make when you make a flash animation. Ie: open Flash the program, start a new document, do a bunch of stuff, save it. Then later you can open the flash document -- saved in the .flv format and change things, keep working, etc. Once you are ready to post to the web, you export a flash movie, and create a .swf file. The .swf file is much smaller, more efficient / compressed, etc. If for some reason you erased the original .flv, and then wanted to make changes to the move, you'd be stuck. You cannot open the .swf file that's been exported and make and changes to the original -- you need the .flv file.

There's nothing to do with a .flv file on the web. Browsers don't know what the heck that is. It's just for working...

Much like Photoshop. Make a doc in Photoshop and save it -- and you've got a .psd. You can make lots of layers and masks and effects... and then when you are ready, save for web to create a .jpg (or .gif) and then use the .jpg on the web. The original .psd is much to big for the internet + browsers have no idea what a .psd file is -- the .jpg is flattened and compressed and doesn't have any of the layer / mask / effect / text layer info in it -- so you cannot modify it the way you can modify a .psd.

That's how it works when you've got the program Flash installed on your system and use it to make a project. These online transcoders don't make a .flv file (i don't think) -- I'm under the impression they just translate the .mov file (or whatever) straight into a .swf. (Someone correct me if i'm wrong.) It's cool because you get a flash movie .swf without needing to own Flash or take all the time to build a project. It's not as cool because the formulaic nature on the online transcoder isn't going to make the best possible flash movie --only by doing a custom compress will you get the best results possible. Also everyone should just know that Flash does about 200x as many cool techie things then simply pump video out in a format that is viewable by lots of browsers -- AND flash does much more than the stupid ugly animated billboards that seem to dominate commercial websites these days. That's the most common use of Flash, but not the best / most artistic / most creative use of it. It's a powerful development platform that can do much more. Another example of everyone copying each other so much that an utter lack of imagination has dominated a medium and crowded out the artistic possibilities. (Not killed them off completely, by no means, but has overshadowed.)

jen

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Hi Group,

Gene here. I'm just getting started with internet video, and was
wondering if flash video is the way to go.

If so, can someone advise me of the difference, advantage or
disadvantage between .swf format and .flv format? Which would you
recommend.

I have some video software, and can convert .avi files to .swf, but
can't convert to .flv.

I'd appreciate a little tip.

Thanks,

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Re: [videoblogging] .swf or .flv

2006-04-25 Thread Markus Sandy







i thought that was an .fla (or is that an old flash extension now)

Jen Simmons wrote:
.flv is to .swf as .psd is to .jpg.
  
  
In other words -- the .flv file is the original huge working document
that you make when you make a flash animation. Ie: open Flash the
program, start a new document, do a bunch of stuff, save it. Then
later you can open the flash document -- saved in the .flv format and
change things, keep working, etc. Once you are ready to post to the
web, you export a flash movie, and create a .swf file. The .swf file
is much smaller, more efficient / compressed, etc. If for some reason
you erased the original .flv, and then wanted to make changes to the
move, you'd be stuck. You cannot open the .swf file that's been
exported and make and changes to the original -- you need the .flv
file. 
  
There's nothing to do with a .flv file on the web. Browsers don't know
what the heck that is. It's just for working...
  
  
Much like Photoshop. Make a doc in Photoshop and save it -- and you've
got a .psd. You can make lots of layers and masks and effects... and
then when you are ready, save for web to create a .jpg (or .gif) and
then use the .jpg on the web. The original .psd is much to big for the
internet + browsers have no idea what a .psd file is -- the .jpg is
flattened and compressed and doesn't have any of the layer / mask /
effect / text layer info in it -- so you cannot modify it the way you
can modify a .psd.
  
  
That's how it works when you've got the program Flash installed on
your system and use it to make a project. These online transcoders
don't make a .flv file (i don't think) -- I'm under the impression
they just translate the .mov file (or whatever) straight into a .swf.
(Someone correct me if i'm wrong.) It's cool because you get a flash
movie .swf without needing to own Flash or take all the time to build
a project. It's not as cool because the formulaic nature on the online
transcoder isn't going to make the best possible flash movie --only by
doing a custom compress will you get the best results possible. Also
everyone should just know that Flash does about 200x as many cool
techie things then simply pump video out in a format that is viewable
by lots of browsers -- AND flash does much more than the stupid ugly
animated billboards that seem to dominate commercial websites these
days. That's the most common use of Flash, but not the best / most
artistic / most creative use of it. It's a powerful development
platform that can do much more. Another example of everyone copying
each other so much that an utter lack of imagination has dominated a
medium and crowded out the artistic possibilities. (Not killed them
off completely, by no means, but has overshadowed.)
  
  
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Gene here. I'm just getting started with internet video, and was 
wondering if flash video is the way to go.


If so, can someone advise me of the difference, advantage or 
disadvantage between .swf format and .flv format? Which would you 
recommend.


I have some video software, and can convert .avi files to .swf, but 
can't convert to .flv.


I'd appreciate a little tip.


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Re: [videoblogging] .swf or .flv

On 4/25/06, Jen Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
.flv is to .swf as .psd is to .jpg.In other words -- the .flv file is the original huge working documentthat you make when you make a flash animation. Ie: open Flash theprogram, start a new document, do a bunch of stuff, save it. Then later
you can open the flash document -- saved in the .flv format and changethings, keep working, etc. Once you are ready to post to the web, youexport a flash movie, and create a .swf file.
Hey Jen,You have .flv confused with .fla. Flash saves it's projects documents as.fla. The Flash video files are .flv. Those can play in html (don't know if they'll play just linked to directly). Dierdre for example posts .flv files on her videoblog. The problem with the .flv by itself is that it doesn't really have a controller. You can right-click on the video and stop or rewind it.
Now if you want a player you can make one of your own as a .swf or use the one that comes with the Flash program. Then you have two options: 1. you can link the .flv to the .swf with either an absolute or a relative link. If you use a relative link syndication in something like Fireant will not work. 2. you can embed the .flv in the .swf and distribute one file - a big giant .swf file.
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Re: [videoblogging] videos shot by cell phones

2006-04-25 Thread Stephanie Bryant




I have a cellphone vlog: http://mortaine.typepad.com

It's 100% shot and edited on my cell phone. Sometimes I use my
computer to post, though.

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Re: [videoblogging] .swf or .flv




oh.

Hey everybody -- change .flv with .fla in every instance in my 
email. And well, uh, realize I was answering a question that wasn't 
asked. Sorry. I recited a lesson I taughting someone else earlier today 
without realizing I had no idea what I was talking about

.flv, hmm I don't know what that is.

Oh, look, Michael does...

On Apr 25, 2006, at 6:39 PM, Michael Verdi wrote:

 The Flash video files are .flv. Those can play in html (don't know if 
 they'll play just linked to directly). Dierdre for example posts .flv 
 files on her videoblog. The problem with the .flv by itself is that it 
 doesn't really have a controller. You can right-click on the video and 
 stop or rewind it.

 Now if you want a player you can make one of your own as a .swf or 
 use the one that comes with the Flash program. Then you have two 
 options: 1. you can link the .flv to the .swf with either an absolute 
 or a relative link. If you use a relative link syndication in 
 something like Fireant will not work. 2. you can embed the .flv in the 
 .swf and distribute one file - a big giant .swf file.

 -Verdi


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RE: [videoblogging] ten videoblogs for national (womens') magazine, quick!

2006-04-25 Thread Monique Danielle




Show them a link to the 'google girls' webisode of moronlife.com

Cheers
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about blogging. Last minute email from hosts says, Show us some videoblogs!

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I'll love you guys forever for helping me out on this one!

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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger post failed (fwd)

2006-04-25 Thread Ryan Ozawa




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On 4/24/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i think that this may be part of the google--yahoo group mirroring
 can anyone confirm that (ryan ozawa)?

I suppose the Google Groups mirror (which is basically a subscribed e-mail
address that forwards messages to the Google Group) might generate an
error, but I've never received any. And I'm fairly certain that it's
unrelated to the Blogspot error.

A quick Google search finds these errors reported on many mailing lists,
though, so my guess is that someone _has_ subscribed an email-to-post
address to this list to populate a Blogspot blog. Probably to get easy
content for an AdSense spam blog.

Ryan

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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger post failed (fwd)

2006-04-25 Thread Ryan Ozawa




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 and we used to get these errors occasionally. So someone has set up a
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Heh. I hadn't thought of that scenario. That's me, always assuming the
worst.

 It's a good idea - I'd actually like to use the RSS feed from it to
 follow the list

Why not use the feed generated by Yahoo! directly?

http://rss.groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/rss

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Re: [videoblogging] ten videoblogs for national (womens') magazine, quick!

2006-04-25 Thread Anne Walk




what kind of vlogs are they looking for? vlogs by women? about women's issues? tv show types? On 4/25/06, Monique Danielle 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Show them a link to the 'google girls' webisode of 
moronlife.comCheersMoniquehttp://www.vlogdiva.com - Techno-Babble Web Design Skithttp://www.vlogchallenge.com
 - Resurrection Challenge Still Going-Original Message-From: Lisa Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:01 PMTo: 
videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSubject: [videoblogging] ten videoblogs for national (womens') magazine,quick!Help!I'm visiting a well-known womens' magazine in NYC on Thursday to talk
about blogging.Last minute email from hosts says, Show us some videoblogs!So, if you were going to see the editors of a magazine you've probablyseen on the supermarket store racks, what would you show them?
I'll love you guys forever for helping me out on this one!Lisa W.--Lisa Williams[EMAIL PROTECTED]Google Talk: lisatmhPlaces I blog:Lisa Williams' Blog:
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Re: [videoblogging] ten videoblogs for national (womens') magazine, quick!

2006-04-25 Thread Lisa Williams




They have no idea! I think they first heard the word videoblog last 
week.
So let's show them some great stuff, some stuff by women, some stuff 
that will get their mental gears turning. They're super smart and open 
to new things but just not familiar at all with the vlogosphere.
I'm sure vlogs by women  about womens' issues would be really 
compelling to them.

Anne Walk wrote:
 what kind of vlogs are they looking for? vlogs by women? about women's 
 issues? tv show types?

 On 4/25/06, *Monique Danielle*  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Show them a link to the 'google girls' webisode of moronlife.com
 http://moronlife.com

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[videoblogging] Re: ten videoblogs for national (womens') magazine, quick!

2006-04-25 Thread Gena




I don't normally do this but show them mine...

I'm working on showing the Los Angeles that I am experiencing. Then 
again this may disturb New Yawkers. Hmmm. Hell, take a chance.

I have a variety of videos, dive in and see what comes up...

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: ten videoblogs for national (womens') magazine, quick!

2006-04-25 Thread Anne Walk




you can try mine at:nopractice.blogspot.com if you like. might not be what they wanna hear though...lolOn 4/25/06, 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: ten videoblogs for national (womens') magazine, quick!

2006-04-25 Thread Josh Leo




what about smashface.com/vlogryanedit.blogspot.comwelcometoamyville.blogspot.com
nealey.blogspot.comfauxpress.blogspot.comthereOn 4/25/06, 
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you can try mine at:nopractice.blogspot.com if you like. might not be what they wanna hear though...lol
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Re: [videoblogging] ten videoblogs for national (womens') magazine, quick!

P_LEASE!!

http://ryanedit.blogspot.com
http://smashface.com/vlog/
http://www.scratchvideo.tv/scratch/
http://missbhavens.blogspot.com/
http://spadesaspade.blogspot.com/
http://www.welcometoamyville.blogspot.com/
http://annieee.blogspot.com/
http://www.human-dog.com/sara/
http://fauxpress.blogspot.com/
http://mymomsblog.blogspot.com/
http://trine.blogs.com/trines_lille_blog/
http://modernfeminist.blogspot.com/

all strong / feminist women craving/creating a space for us all in the vlogosphere...
several of those vloggers are in new york -- perhaps you should take one of them with you

- jen


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On Apr 25, 2006, at 8:01 PM, Lisa Williams wrote:

Help!

I'm visiting a well-known womens' magazine in NYC on Thursday to talk 
about blogging.  Last minute email from hosts says, Show us some videoblogs!

So, if you were going to see the editors of a magazine you've probably 
seen on the supermarket store racks, what would you show them?

I'll love you guys forever for helping me out on this one!

Lisa W.

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Re: [videoblogging] ten videoblogs for national (womens') magazine, quick!

2006-04-25 Thread Adam Quirk




see also:http://yeastradio.podshow.com/http://vlog.cawa.co.uk/ http://www.phatalspin.com
And the PAN relies heavily on two gals over here doing awesome stuff:http://furpajamas.com andhttp://publicaddress.typepad.com
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[videoblogging] Re: ten videoblogs for national (womens') magazine, quick!

2006-04-25 Thread Aaron Valdez




Here's a nice videoblogger lady that lives upstairs from me in Iowa.

http://www.pro-v.blogspot.com/


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Re: [videoblogging] videos shot by cell phones

2006-04-25 Thread Harold Johnson




You know, I found your cellphone vlog the other day, and I was wondering which phone you used to shoot and edit (and post) from. Can you actually post from the phone? If so, how is that done?

Thanks, Stephanie!

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[videoblogging] Re: Why videoblogging continues to grow in importance

2006-04-25 Thread Gena




I'm not really surprised about this. In the mid 80s I participated in
Pasadena's public access channel. It took the mission seriously. Santa
Monica had a good one too.

There were classes, you could create programs and if you could scrape
enough folks together for a crew you could put on a show. But they
(the cable channel) started pressuring city council to have meetings
about cutting public access, on not replacing/upgrading equipment, or
memos on what you can and can't do...the usual.

Me, I just couldn't afford to continue to participate. I stopped.

The city next door (I name no names but the guilty know who they are)
did everything that they could to discourage requests for public
access time. It was only during working hours. 1/2 set-up time , no
equipment to be touched by outsiders and basically a talking chair
mode of participation was tolerated.

My concern is now with the potential walling off of the Internet by
the phone companies. Step one - they lock us out of public access.
Step two - the phone companies put the squeeze on Congress  FCC or
whoever to charge for faster/heavy bandwidth usage. Segregation for
the elite, reduced access (and videoblogging) for the rest of us.

Now this will bite them in the tukas in the long run cuz this is just
going to inspire some latent genius to invent something to bypass
phone company distribution and away we go into the new frontier.

Hang on, change is coming...

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can't transcode mpeg videos to iPod compatible .mp4 (was Re: [videoblogging] 15 min turnaround, live-event video-blogged (Treasure Island, Las Vegas)

2006-04-25 Thread B Yen



I tried a couple of cameras which produce MPEG videos.  I wanted to get them as video-clips, as part of my NAB video-podcast over iTunes:http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=151332103s=143441[ or do a search on "nab" in iTunes Music Store ]I  can't seem to find a program to transcore the .MPG files (mpeg 2? "Get Info" just tells me "MPEG movie") to iPod compatible movies (.m4v):1) I tried importing them into iMoviepicture is fine..NO AUDIO!2) bought QT Pro for $29picture is fine..NO AUDIO!I don't understand.  I checked out QT Player preferences,  it seems as if MPEG input videos are accepted.It happened with TWO cameras which produced .MPG videos.I tried a 3rd device which produces a .AVI movie.  When I imported it into iMovie, it produced a video clips with NO PICTURE, but had sound!  It's reversed from the above!Can a multimedia expert out there tell me what;s going on?  Am I doing something wrong?I can certainoly blog the .MPG  .AVI files to my video-blog at:http://nablasvegas.blogspot.com/..but I would prefer iPod compatible .mp4, so it can be downloaded as an iPod compatible video in iTunes.On Apr 25, 2006, at 12:59 AM, B Yen wrote: I arrived in Las Vegas last night around 8pm,  am trying to do some   video-blogging over this blog:  http://nab2006.blogspot.com [ there's video of Motorola party last year  I did some tests at the Treasure Island "Sirens of TI" show.  You can   see the results at:  http://treasureisland-lasvegas.blogspot.com/  I was using a digital camera (w/video capability, most of them do),   took the video, ported it to my Powerbook w/USB cable,  uploaded it   to Blip.tv.  I got the video "blogged" within 15 min of taking it   (video was taken ~10:15pm, uploaded it @10:30pm (for some reason the   time on the blog-entry shows 10:00pm..?).  I then transcoded the .mpg   to iPod compatible format.  For some reason the 1st upload to Blip.tv   had a glitch 3/4 way into the video.  I retried it,  it was OK.  I   then got the video to showup on iTunes "Treasure Island" video-  podcast (do a search on "treausre island" in iTunes)  Then, I hooked up my iPod.  I.,e., that 10:15pm episode @Treasure   Island, was available to iPod owners within the hour.  I could have   had it up as soon as 20 min, were it not for the glitches.  I plan to do some more video-blogging (15 min turnaround) @NAB tomorrow.  I need some feedback on my project.  YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 




  
  
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Re: can't transcode mpeg videos to iPod compatible .mp4 (was Re: [videoblogging] 15 min turnaround, live-event video-blogged (Treasure Island, Las Vegas)