Chinanico;229961 Wrote:
> - I didn't get my final license yet, so those were just trials
For consistency, don't - what you see in REW is also ignores the mic
calibration (BTW I am using a bk3spline target [you asked earlier], but
the lack of mic calibration makes that irrelevant when viewing REW
I just made my first measurements with Audiolense, and wanted to share
my findings.
The 2 graphs below read as follow: first is the frequency response
curves (right= blue / left=red) made with audacity/inguz/REWQ, second
is frequency response made with Audiolense.
They don't really look alike...
acousticsguru;229955 Wrote:
> I probably will. Let me ask you this, though: you're with Slim
> Devices/Logitech in some indirect or direct way (likely a staff
> member/on their payroll), correct?
Why would you assume that?
Sorry, but ezkcdude is not a Logitech/Slim Devices employee or
represent
Not only do we need to worry about filtering. 44.1 kHz is not enough by
physics standards, simple as that. That is the main reason why SACD
sounds so much better than regular redbook.
Take, for example, a cymbal splash generating a fundamental frequency
of 16 kHz, modulated by a 5kHz harmonic. I
ezkcdude;229913 Wrote:
> The galvanic isolation could provide a reduction in noise - which could
> affect things, at least, in theory. These differences could be even
> greater if the cable length is very long (>10 meters, let's say).
Ironically, the only time I got to compare an otherwise ident
opaqueice;229907 Wrote:
> Could you describe the DBT you mentioned earlier in which you heard the
> difference between S/PDIF and AES/EBU? What was the source, and what
> was the DAC? How well did you score?
Can't possibly enumerate all the systems in which I was shown
differences between conne
Just to echo Tom, and because I didn't pick up on a particular point
this earlier, these posts are almost certainly a bad joke. Two close
friends of ours are Danish and I've been to Copenhagen and beyond at
least a dozen times. I have never heard someone, and especially a
Dane, as Dane's tend to
jdm56;229928 Wrote:
> Pardon me, but I believe it is the dipole radiator whose output
> diminishes less with distance compared to the monopole.
Nope. Just as Pat says, dipole fields fall off like 1/r^3, monopoles
like 1/r^2.
>
> Also, "standard box speakers" are not "close to monopoles" at l
Please see:
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/tweaks/messages/14/149384.html
I believe the people in AA not as closed minded as this group.
I hear solid improvements with the application of the CF.
Tin foil will not work as well it only changes the RF - CF absorbs the
RF and turns them into hea
jdm56 wrote:
> Pardon me, but I believe it is the dipole radiator whose output
> diminishes less with distance compared to the monopole.
So the inverse square law has been repealed?
Actually, in 3D, its usually the inverse cubed law.
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opaqueice;229036 Wrote:
> www.linkwitzlab.com
>
> One characteristic of dipoles is that the power in the radiation falls
> off faster with distance than for monopoles. As a result I expect
> that they excite room modes less than standard box speakers (which are
> close to monopoles at low freq
inguz;229908 Wrote:
> No, "sweep with EQ" runs the whole processing pipeline.
Interesting. mortod, without having this info cloud your judgement,
what did you hear when you implemented the 11 band equalization?
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I shortly heard the ExMotion from Intertechnik that most likely has
borrowed some ideas and even similar chassis from this design.
I have to admit that on some recordings i was pretty amazed how the
room in front of you builds up! Otherwise some kind of music confused
me. Playing an overcompressed
earthbased;229698 Wrote:
> One does not need a perfect filter. I agree that analysis equipment may
> be able to distinguish signal differences, but I would bet my money that
> no listener can tell the difference between 96 vs 44 given a quality
> recording and a double-blind test.
One does desir
SuperQ;229889 Wrote:
> I really have a feeling that there is a packet loss problem, or the
> slimserver is being starved for resources.
>
> All remote commands are sent to the server and processed. The
> Transporter does not support gige, so it could be a duplex negotiation
> problem between th
haunyack;229350 Wrote:
> Did you read the interview?.
Yes I did, twice in fact, once when the article was new, and just
recently at your suggestion!
The fact remains that the Vandersteens are not dipoles like the
Linkwitz designs. Their design approach is quite different. The fact
that Richard
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 02:22:03 -0700, simbo
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>
>Yes they do exist...
>
>http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/harddrivesolutions
I've been using a few of those Smart Drive 2002c enclosures for
several years and they work great. At one time I ran a couple sata
cables o
acousticsguru;229890 Wrote:
>
>
> You meant to say sighted as well as blind and double blind, correct?
> I'll assume you overread that part and are not trying to get smart on
> me trying to put your words into my mouth, all right? It appears to be
> getting late again, long day ;^)
>
> Greetin
mortod;229692 Wrote:
> I suspect that playing the sweep 'with EQ' ignores the equaliser
> settings, and only allows testing of RC... could you confirm?
No, "sweep with EQ" runs the whole processing pipeline. I think you
may be hitting up against the inaccuracy of EQ bands at low frequencies
(wh
Could you describe the DBT you mentioned earlier in which you heard the
difference between S/PDIF and AES/EBU? What was the source, and what
was the DAC? How well did you score?
I'm curious, because I haven't come across many such results.
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jaysung;229757 Wrote:
>
> By saying that I reached signifficant recognition rates of .0531% I
> mean that there is only 1024*0.0531 56 approx. (had calculated with 55)
> possibilities of have 8 out of 10.
Hi Jay, thanks for the explanation. I teach physics and am also
pretty familiar with pr
seanadams;229606 Wrote:
> Transporter incorporates IMHO the best power/DAC/clock/analog design
> that money can buy, even including standalone DACs. This is supported
> by unsurpassed SNR, THD, etc.
The problem with things like that is that it's making it hard for me to
not want one...and I real
How about this:
http://atechfabrication.com/ms_4x_order_form.htm
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ezkcdude;229888 Wrote:
> Ok, so we have already agreed that jitter is the only variable we are
> considering
If for no other reason that we don't know better, that is? I'd love to
listen to you or others discuss unknown variables, you know ;^)
ezkcdude;229888 Wrote:
> Therefore, in the light o
CraigStevenson;229883 Wrote:
> Yes, that's EXACTLY what I experienced. I was doing a lot of browsing
> through my music, both in genres and music folder, while the music was
> playing, and then all of a sudden, the transporter stopped responding
> to the remote. The knob on the front resisted t
betto;229880 Wrote:
> A guaranteed a solution to the deficiencies of SPDIF is to design the
> DAC as the “Master” clock device
How good of you to go into somewhat more detail, but why would the
above apply to S/PDIF only, and not AES/EBU as well (up to that point,
you took care to include both o
acousticsguru;229884 Wrote:
>
> How come you're excluding the possibilty (= that which directly follows
> from the quote you took from my reply), that you might hear the same
> difference because it's there? You make this sound as if you're not
> even taking this into consideration.
>
> In othe
ezkcdude;229865 Wrote:
> Of course, I presented some evidence above that only very large amounts
> of jitter were audible to people, and you seemed to dismiss those
> results.
Huh? Did I say that? Wasn't what I said we can't be sure it's the only
cause for an audible difference? Also, didn't we
MikeFish;229875 Wrote:
> I occassionally get freezing, but if you leave it a couple of minutes it
> catches up with any button presses you have made during the freeze. The
> knob on the front resists against any turing like you described.
> Using SS7 with FW32.
> Also as my library has grown i no
Assuming fixed DAC/analog components,Im only aware of 2 parameters that
can affect the sound of a a digital playback system :
a) data accuracy
b) jitter
Since a is not an issue a sanely constructed system, then it must be b:
jitter
This is where Digital meets the realms of the real world same B
darrenyeats;229859 Wrote:
> Not to say I don't believe David when he says there are
> differences...anything is possible. But this is one of those statements
> which deserves a DBT, IMHO.
Would like to add something: I feel DBT really makes sense only if the
minimum number of variables (preferab
I occassionally get freezing, but if you leave it a couple of minutes it
catches up with any button presses you have made during the freeze. The
knob on the front resists against any turing like you described.
Using SS7 with FW32.
Also as my library has grown i notice it a lot more as I select Mus
acousticsguru;229860 Wrote:
>
> 1) Electrical engineers (more rarely acousticians or physicists) who
> stubbornly deny an audible difference something non-measurable and/or
> (seemingly) unscientic makes to frowned-upon audiophiles, until some
> years later, papers, tests and diagrams, i.e. scie
I just ripped Dire Straits Brother's in Arms 20th Anniversary Addition
SACD into flac and my DAC detects it as a HDCD.
Bit of a surprise as there is no HDCD logo on the case and I assumed
the CD layer was just an ordinary CD.
It sounds blooming marvellous. Better than it did with my crappy old
a
darrenyeats;229705 Wrote:
> For example, the fact I've done blind tests doesn't mean my sighted
> listening is reliable from now on.
Not at all. But no one I know who's done blind hasn't done sighted ones
also - they're formative.
Scepticism is fine with me, but let me tell you something: among
Phil Leigh;229793 Wrote:
> Darren, whist generally agreeing, I think one needs to be careful not to
> take this argument to extremes. After all, that isn't how the music is
> actually made...(nobody in the studio is doing DBT every time they
> change something in the mix! - and try telling any mu
when the wired ethernet connection is used, the wireless card shuts down
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some
very expensive cables ;o)
PhilNYC wrote:
> So the things that changed in the system are:
>
> - Slimserver running on a much faster computer
> - Slimserver running on a computer attached via Ethernet instead of by
> a wireless connection.
>
> Does this make sense to anyone?
I believe, IMHO, YMMV, etc. that one must connec
JJZolx;229848 Wrote:
> Many audiphiles in other forums have claimed that wifi adversely affects
> the sound of a system. More than a few even claim that just having a
> wifi network in the home can have a negative effect, so having a
> wireless radio sitting unshielded in the very guts of an aud
PhilNYC;229846 Wrote:
> - Slimserver running on a computer attached via Ethernet instead of by a
> wireless connection.
Many audiphiles in other forums have claimed that wifi adversely
affects the sound of a system. More than a few even claim that just
having a wifi network in the home can have
I'm not sure if I'm going crazy here, but I just made some changes to my
computer and network, and I swear that the sound of my system has taken
a big leap
Previously, I was running Slimserver on a 5-year-old eMac G4
(educational version of an iMac) which was connected to my network via
a wir
Granted, the Isobariks were interesting (I remember hearing them at
Innovative Audio when they were in Brooklyn), but I guess it's not so
much that maybe an RC shouldn't be used in certain cases, but whether
there's enough information for omni (just to use an efficient term)
speakers in a non-idea
[EMAIL PROTECTED];229839 Wrote:
> Yes i might upgrade my speakers to some panasonics
Good idea, I got some recently and my Ricky Martin collection sounds so
much better.
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And to bring topic back... I'd say that if one adds a tube stage to the
transporter it WILL sound signifficantly different! Yes, one actually
changed something! It WILL be double blind proof for sure.
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Dr. AIX;198561 Wrote:
>
>
> Got to run...more later.
Is it "later" yet?
.
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Transporter -> B&K R200.2 -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. (Listening room)
SB3 (RWA analog) -> Rotel RB1070 -> B&W Matrix 805. (Bedroom)
Fridgidare -> Mirror Pond pale ale -> easy chair w/remote -> irritate
Wombat;229743 Wrote:
> My Transporter sometimes hangs completely after feeding it with my
> CD-Transport.
> When switching back from S/Pdif to Slimserver i sometimes need to pull
> the plug.
> Did you play around with external sources?
No, I don't use the external sources at all.
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SuperQ;229813 Wrote:
> If my assuption is correct you could try getting an adapter for the RCA
> outputs.
You're a star! I had an adaptor cable lying around (funnily enough I'd
been sorting out my exhastive and slightly disturbing cable collection
at the weekend) and there is a definite improveme
jeffmeh;229719 Wrote:
> I am not quite sure how to interpret this remark.
That comment was in response to Max F's post.
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jeffmeh;229819 Wrote:
> Indeed, that may be the case. However, since I spent all of $25 on the
> linear supply, and I am satisfied with the stock switching supply, I
> guess that I will just stick with the stock one.
That sounds like a fine plan. The only reason I use a replacement is
because o
Phil Leigh;229795 Wrote:
> Sounds like your replacement supply developed a fault to me.
Indeed, that may be the case. However, since I spent all of $25 on the
linear supply, and I am satisfied with the stock switching supply, I
guess that I will just stick with the stock one.
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Dr. AIX;198303 Wrote:
> My only hope is that Slim Devices will expand their offering to include
> 5.1 surround boxes in the near future.
Many of us do use the current SB3 to wireless stream DD or DTS to a
decoder. It's not automatic, but it's not too hard to setup. Of
course it would be even b
simbo;229704 Wrote:
>
> We're in the process of moving house and as the amp was packed up I was
> left with no choice but to plug the headphones directly into the SB3.
> It's been noted before that the sound quality of the headphone socket
> isn't up to much; for myself, I can only describe it a
Pat Farrell;229804 Wrote:
> Phil Leigh wrote:
> > I can confirm these work - but the drive does get hotter than usual
>
> and hot disk drives tend to fail faster.
Exactly...which is why I don't use it anymore (although it did not
fail).
My old IBM Deskstar was hot but happy for the 3 years it l
Thanks topa, I do have a pair of el-cheapo headphones I could use...
might be a bit of a shock after the Grado's though! :-)
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Since I really want to give FLAC TO WAV streaming a chance and this
never worked with slimserver version 6.5.1 (lock-ups), I installed
6.5.5 today (also new firmware for transporter) and tried it again.
same problem as with the old version.
with some FLAC tracks, the transporter freezes (also th
Phil Leigh wrote:
> I can confirm these work - but the drive does get hotter than usual
and hot disk drives tend to fail faster.
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I have never heard of TACT (for example) cautioning against RC with
certain speaker designs. The idea is counter intertuitive. The RC is
"correcting" what is arriving at the listening position. It really
shouldn't matter exactly how it got there...
I've heard TACT with Quad Electro's and Linn Isob
Darren, whist generally agreeing, I think one needs to be careful not to
take this argument to extremes. After all, that isn't how the music is
actually made...(nobody in the studio is doing DBT every time they
change something in the mix! - and try telling any musician that they
can't tell reliab
I can confirm these work - but the drive does get hotter than usual
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
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very expensive cables ;o)
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Righty... the SB is indeed wireless, but the speakers aren't. I've no
idea how my electrical system is grounded (I live in an appartment).
There are some very large transmitters of some sort nearby, but I've a
feeling they're mobile phone rather than radio. Not exactly sure,
though.
I've a feelin
pugwonk;229069 Wrote:
> The noise completely stops if I remove the audio cable from the back of
> the speakers (perhaps that's entirely expected, but just in case it
> isn't).
Could he need some kind of shielded cable if it goes away when he
unplugs the cable?
I'm not so versed on when to u
jaysung;229757 Wrote:
>
> PPS.: The english say that there is truly a difference caused by
> already resident milk slowly warmed up by flooding tea compared to a
> hot cup of tea which drastically warms up the milk which is being
> added.
I would say tea leaves taste better than tea bags. And a
jaysung;229757 Wrote:
>
> PS.: Enjoy your tea. Which one came first? Milk or tea?
> PPS.: The english say that there is truly a difference caused by
> already resident milk slowly warmed up by flooding tea compared to a
> hot cup of tea which drastically warms up the milk which is being
> added.
Hi Opaqueice,
I am a psychologist or (student of such subject) ;) so I am prity into
statistics and signifficance as layed out by Ronald Fisher. Based on
the works of Bernuille he developed a test methodology to determine if
a certain finding is more than accident i.e has a systematic cause.
Neym
I was expecting something now that we are officially into fall.
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I have also experienced freezing of my transporter a couple of times.
Needed to unplug the power cable to reset it,.
I am using fw 31 with ss 6.5.5.
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My Transporter sometimes hangs completely after feeding it with my
CD-Transport.
When switching back from S/Pdif to Slimserver i sometimes need to pull
the plug.
Did you play around with external sources?
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haunyack;229631 Wrote:
> Anything else on the switch?
>
> .
Yes, but nothing new since the 6.5.4 upgrade. That's really the only
thing that changed
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Not much you can do without spending money. It's not a software setting
problem, it's the little amplifier that's built in which isn't up to
the job. You'll need a better amplifier, a small headphone amp would
do. Or, in case you have several headphones, look and find some less
demanding phones. (
Just thinking about a cheap "mod"
Anybody tried to replace these JRC 5534s with lets say Philips NE5534A?
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Veggen;229730 Wrote:
> Interesting, would you have a source or link to that blindtest?
"Audibility of a CD-Standard A/D/A Loop Inserted into High-Resolution
Audio Playback", E. BRAD MEYER AND DAVID R. MORAN, J. Audio Eng. Soc.,
Vol. 55, No. 9, 2007 (that's the September edition).
http://www.aes
Chinanico, your curves look great, even accounting for the high
frequency reflections and that dip in the left channel. It looks like
you and mortod both checked the real response by doing a Sweep w/EQ and
regenerating the Impulse Response. mortod, are using using the "flat"
profile in the correct
Interesting, would you have a source or link to that blindtest?
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jaysung;229724 Wrote:
>
> I was listening repeatedly to VERY WELL known peaces of music I own and
> had heard on both devices prior to testing.
> I did a sequential test until I reached signfficant recognition rates
> at a .0531% chance for errors of the first kint.
Could you be more specific?
earthbased;229698 Wrote:
>
> One does not need a perfect filter. I agree that analysis equipment
> may be able to distinguish signal differences, but I would bet my money
> that no listener can tell the difference between 96 vs 44 given a
> quality recording and a double-blind test.
You'd be
Hello,
Patrick Dixon;229671 Wrote:
> But since you can't hear the difference between a TP and an SB3 - that
> would appear to make the measurable and quantifiable superiorities
> utterly meaningless too.
I did it! I performed a Fisher like a to b comparison of the sb3
against the tp only using
Patrick Dixon;229671 Wrote:
> But since you can't hear the difference between a TP and an SB3 - that
> would appear to make the measurable and quantifiable superiorities
> utterly meaningless too.
You make it sound like it was just me. None of us could hear it, at
least not when we couldn't see
haunyack;229609 Wrote:
> Harmonic, I'm thinking about putting a tube stage in my toaster/oven.
> I need your opinion as to whether this "mod" will make my toast sound
> better as I bite into it?
> .
If you go this route, I would recommend allowing that first batch of
toast at least 72 hours of "
tyler_durden;229468 Wrote:
> The human mind is simply astounding!
>
> TD
I am not quite sure how to interpret this remark.
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David,
First of all, I'm sorry your first experience of this forum is so
gruelling. There are a lot of hard-nosed people on this forum, and a
lot of skeptics.
I used to be a raving subjectivist, but since some blind-test
experiences I have become a firm believer in blind-tests or, rather,
the fal
I've never considered myself an audiophile but, as a hobbyist musician,
I appreciate the subtleties of the music that I simply cannot hear on
lesser-quality equipment.
Anyhoo, I usually have my SB3 plugged into an old Pioneer A300 amp and
out to Grado SR-80 headphones. It's enough for my needs at
DCtoDaylight;229625 Wrote:
> I'm surprised that this mis-conception continues to be voiced...
>
> The point of the higher sampling rate IS NOT any belief that humans can
> hear beyond 20kHz, and I know for a fact that I can't even hear that
> high (16.5kHz left, 17.2kHz right when last measured)
OK, I have attached three graphs:
1. Original measurement, plus Minimal TestConvolution,
2. Minimal TestConvolution plus Minimal measured,
3. Original measurement, plus 17 band low frequency equalisation
measured.
First of all, the Minimal RC predicted and measured are almost exactly
the same. M
harmonic wrote:
> tomjtx;229653 Wrote:
>> Thank you for enlightening me , harmonic. If I am understanded you
>> inglish
>>
>> write. your don like me amplifire and teh spekr I litsen wit.
>>
>> I an tinking to zell all, baseded on top to you advize.
>>
>> BTW, I have many european friends who hav
tomjtx;229653 Wrote:
> Thank you for enlightening me , harmonic. If I am understanded you
> inglish
>
> write. your don like me amplifire and teh spekr I litsen wit.
>
> I an tinking to zell all, baseded on top to you advize.
>
> BTW, I have many european friends who have read your posts and
Yes they do exist...
http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/harddrivesolutions
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ezkcdude;229651 Wrote:
> What exactly are we trying to correct with word clock?
Jitter - probably! But since *or* even though we agree we don't really
know all?
I may not have made it clear enough that the actual reason isn't my
main concern. I wanted to know if people have tried it and heard a
opaqueice;229595 Wrote:
> Reviews of digital transport sound quality based on unsighted
> comparisons are utterly meaningless.
>
> The TP is measurably and quantifiably superior to many - perhaps all -
> other digital sources. That's what the statement means.
But since you can't hear the diffe
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