Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Robert Munn
I could go for either of those, or maybe the M4 shotgun. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > I've got the Remington 870 Express. > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >> We have a Benelli SuperNova tactical shotgun. ~~~

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I support open carry also...not that it would make a lot of difference as everywhere you go, private business here say that weapons are not allowed inside. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I like guns. I also support reasonable restrictions on the ability of > people to

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Scott Stroz
I feel the same way. I am not against all gun control, but I think there is a happy medium somewhere between 'no one can own any guns' and 'any one should be able to buy a tank' On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I like guns. I also support reasonable restrictions on the a

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Judah McAuley
I like guns. I also support reasonable restrictions on the ability of people to have them. The problem is coming up with a definition of "reasonable". The NRA makes me want to kick them in the nuts. They are anything but reasonable. On the other hand, I support things like open carry, which a lot

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I've got the Remington 870 Express. It's nice and loud when you're cocking it. Still thinking of getting a pistol for my wife though. She's afraid of the shotgun and doesn't even want to attempt shooting it. Can't say that I blame her since it does have quite the kick. It's not near as smooth

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Scott Stroz
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > I've used several different kinds of weapons, including Glock, Sig > Sauer, snub-nosed .357, M1 carbine, black powder musket, .22 target > pistol, and shotgun. No assault rifles that I recall. If I were going > the rifle route, I would get e

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Sam
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > Whether or not that is worth pursuing as a policy and if it is > constitutional in the USA is a completely different argument.  But one > is not supporting ones side well if one argues from the assumption that > removing guns overall will have

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Not really, for instance one study I read looked at compared emergency room visits between hospitals in Seattle Washington, and Vancouver, BC. These were demographically very similar cities. Even after accounting for all other possible differences, the largest amount of the differences in emergenc

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2010-07-09 Thread K-Sea - dvsDJTV.com
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Robert Munn wrote: I've used several different kinds of weapons, including Glock, Sig Sauer, snub-nosed .357, M1 carbine, black powder musket, .22 target pistol, and shotgun. No assault rifles that I recall. If I were going the rifle route, I would get either a s

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Ian Skinner
On 7/9/2010 2:14 PM, Sam wrote: > Missed that, and it wasn't your original. I was paying more attention > to this: "Less guns bought to be stolen does lead to less guns to buy > illegally." Different point for a different part of the conversation. Basic supply and demand says that if there ar

RE: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Sisk, Kris
Fully auto 12 guage...Yeah. Anyone who recognizes that thing will give up before you pull the trigger. -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall [mailto:ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 3:45 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > The AA-12 is the ultimate weapon for a zombie invasion > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c > > Because to be honest, a shotgun is only going to net you 3 or 5 rounds > before reload, that isn't enough to protect yourself from a m

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Sam
Missed that, and it wasn't your original. I was paying more attention to this: "Less guns bought to be stolen does lead to less guns to buy illegally." So you've changed that from less sales to less victims of gun theft? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > >  On 7/9/2010 1:34

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Ian Skinner
On 7/9/2010 1:34 PM, Sam wrote: > Did you change focus somewhere along the line? > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: >> ... that those who can get them are better controlled to not allow them to >> get to these people. Again, I will just re-quote my original post. ~~~

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Robert Munn
Apples and oranges. The majority of gun crime in the US is centered around the drug trade. Just as Prohibition created Al Capone and mass violence in the 20s, the War on Drugs has created an entire generation of violent gangs who fight over the vast profits to be made in the illegal drug trade. Ca

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > For my own part, I'm getting a shotgun. Does anyone have a > recommendation on a good one? > The AA-12 is the ultimate weapon for a zombie invasion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c Because to be honest, a shotgun is only going to

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Sam
I thought your argument was illegal guns are stolen legal ones so we need to control the amount of legal guns. Did you change focus somewhere along the line? I agree some states have lax gun laws and others very strict ones. That right there creates a problem because some will ignore interstate c

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Ian Skinner
On 7/9/2010 1:14 PM, Sam wrote: > We already have gun control, by extending it you banish guns from more > people. Playing with semantics doesn't change the point. Maybe improving current gun control might might make things better. I do not accept your theorem because it is built on a faulty a

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Sam
You didn't have a message. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Typical.  Can't attack the message, so you attack the messenger. > Disinformation rule 87. > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> You really nit pick when your flustered eh

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Sam
We already have gun control, by extending it you banish guns from more people. Playing with semantics doesn't change the point. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > >  On 7/9/2010 12:51 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> So the thieves win? Focus on the crimes of having illegal guns rather >>

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
A question then, if such were the case then how come countries with very strong gun control, e.g., Canada for instance, are not overrun with armed criminals? Last I looked the homicide rates, and most other crime rates for Canada, as well as firearm related suicides and accidents are far lower o

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Ian Skinner
On 7/9/2010 12:51 PM, Sam wrote: > > So the thieves win? Focus on the crimes of having illegal guns rather > then *banning* the legal ones. And I'm quoting from the email you replied to: On 7/9/2010 12:35 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > Gun control and *gun banishment* are two different things. ~~

Re: Friday Funny - Had me in tears

2010-07-09 Thread Medic
Damn it. I didn't even read the "Are you sure you want to destroy this webserver?" confirmation message before I clicked "OK." On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:55 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: > > > Ya, David Thorne is the bomb. If you want to read some more of his > kickass > > emails check out his

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Robert Munn
And we share a 1000 mile border with Mexico. So even if you made guns illegal in every US state, they would still flow freely into the US from Mexico, but the only people who would get them would be criminals. None of that matters, of course, thanks to the Supreme Court, who has reaffirmed the ri

RE: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Sisk, Kris
That leaves a law abiding citizen defending themselves with a Glock when a criminal breaks into their house with an AK. Bad situation if you ask me. It may just be me but I really can't bring myself to ponder any more gun control than we have now till we deal with the current black market for g

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Maureen
Typical. Can't attack the message, so you attack the messenger. Disinformation rule 87. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Sam wrote: > > You really nit pick when your flustered eh? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! h

Re: Friday Funny - Had me in tears

2010-07-09 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> Ya, David Thorne is the bomb. If you want to read some more of his kickass > emails check out his homesite: > http://www.27bslash6.com/ I think you broke it ;) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Sam
You really nit pick when your flustered eh? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Maureen wrote: > > When did we "ban all guns", or even suggest that all guns should be > banned?  Are you having a hyperbole day? > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> Good point. While we're banning all

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Sam
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > A large number of illegally purchased guns where at one time probably a > legally purchased gun that was then stolen.  Less guns bought to be stolen > does lead to less guns to buy illegally. So the thieves win? Focus on the crimes of havi

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Maureen
When did we "ban all guns", or even suggest that all guns should be banned? Are you having a hyperbole day? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Sam wrote: > > Good point. While we're banning all guns because some might one day > become illegal, lets close the drug stores too.

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Maureen
So is your position that gun control only keeps guns from law abiding citizens? How does that work, since there are no gun control laws other than assault weapon bans that would prevent lawful ownership? Or am I missing your point? The problem is Mexico has more to do with corruption than gun co

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Ian Skinner
On 7/9/2010 12:14 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > The problem I have with gun control laws is that they don't accomplish > anything. Most gun related crimes (80% I think was the figure but it's > been a while since I've seen it) are committed with illegally purchased > guns. A large number of illegally

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > For the record I don't and likely won't for many years own a gun. I just > think the arguments against gun control make a whole lot more sense than > the ones against it. > > For the record, you only have 2 years to get a combat rifle before

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Ian Skinner
On 7/9/2010 12:14 PM, Sam wrote: > Good point. While we're banning all guns because some might one day > become illegal, lets close the drug stores too. OR, conversely, regulate guns to the same level drugs and drug stores are regulated since dangerous items should be regulated to similar degr

RE: how do se's handle cflocation

2010-07-09 Thread Justin Scott
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2010-07-09 Thread Matthew P. Smith
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Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Sam
Good point. While we're banning all guns because some might one day become illegal, lets close the drug stores too. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > >> I bet the guns used weren't legal > > But they probably where at *one* time or the other.

RE: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Sisk, Kris
The problem I have with gun control laws is that they don't accomplish anything. Most gun related crimes (80% I think was the figure but it's been a while since I've seen it) are committed with illegally purchased guns. That being the case I find it hard to justify making it harder for a law abidi

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Ian Skinner
On 7/9/2010 11:33 AM, Sam wrote: > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Maureen wrote: >> I was actually a pretty strong advocate for the 2nd amendment until my >> son got shot at in drive-by while eating lunch at a Mexican restaurant >> in NE Atlanta. > I bet the guns used weren't legal But they p

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Sam
Sorted. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Eric Roberts > It's very accurate > > From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com] > > that's just not accurate > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adob

RE: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
Yes...because Mexico has such strong gun control laws that are enforced... -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:32 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment the really bad people

RE: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
It's very accurate -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:30 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment that's just not accurate On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:03 AM, Eric Roberts wrote:

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Sam
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Maureen wrote: > > I was actually a pretty strong advocate for the 2nd amendment until my > son got shot at in drive-by while eating lunch at a Mexican restaurant > in NE Atlanta. I bet the guns used weren't legal > Also, I spent some time working in a friend's g

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Robert Munn
the really bad people will be armed anyway. gun control does nothing to keep guns out of the hands of people who are already dedicated criminals. just look at mexico. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Maureen wrote: > > I was actually a pretty strong advocate for the 2nd amendment until my > son

Re: Friday Funny

2010-07-09 Thread Maureen
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Which also reminds me of one other joke > What do you call an Englishman at the World Cup Final? The ref. A tweet from musician Billy Bragg last week: "Huge spike in sales of pink fairy tutus at Glastonbury Festival to blokes too embarra

Re: Friday Funny - Had me in tears

2010-07-09 Thread Medic
Ya, David Thorne is the bomb. If you want to read some more of his kickass emails check out his homesite: http://www.27bslash6.com/ On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I cannot recall the last time I laughed so hard - this is too damn funny. > > > http://jezebel.com/558256

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Robert Munn
that's just not accurate On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:03 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > And free speech or freedom of religion or freedom of expression or right to > redress grievances against the government or due process or right to a fair > and speedy trial or the right to be protected against unlaw

Re: Daily Kos: Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

2010-07-09 Thread Maureen
I was actually a pretty strong advocate for the 2nd amendment until my son got shot at in drive-by while eating lunch at a Mexican restaurant in NE Atlanta. Also, I spent some time working in a friend's gun store. After observing some of the customers, I decided I was for very strong gun control

Re: If you can't beat 'em...

2010-07-09 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Sam wrote: > How did it get there? > > Talking about it will expose all the lies used to sneak it through. > That will cost many seats in November. Best to hide it, the less > people know about it the less they will complain. > > Glad to see you're into the whole

Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Sam
I can't find anything about self-executing rule in the Senate. Seems to be a house only thing. Please share. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > Interestingly enough, I was just pointed to an analysis of this > talking point and it is sort of true. The House has never done a

Re: If you can't beat 'em...

2010-07-09 Thread Sam
Are you flustered again? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > You are truly delusional Sam. > > -Original Message- > From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:06 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: If you can't beat 'em... > > > How did i

RE: If you can't beat 'em...

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
No the response was (for the Patriot Act) that if you oppose this you are unpatriotic and don't care about the security of America. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:15 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: If you can't beat 'em...

RE: If you can't beat 'em...

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
You are truly delusional Sam. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:06 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: If you can't beat 'em... How did it get there? Talking about it will expose all the lies used to sneak it through. That will cost m

Re: If you can't beat 'em...

2010-07-09 Thread Scott Stroz
Imagine the uproar that would have occurred if that same response was given to comments about the Patriot Act. Just because its in place does not mean it should not be debatable. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Sam wrote: > >> The Democr

Re: If you can't beat 'em...

2010-07-09 Thread Sam
How did it get there? Talking about it will expose all the lies used to sneak it through. That will cost many seats in November. Best to hide it, the less people know about it the less they will complain. Glad to see you're into the whole sheeple are to stupid to know what's good for them line.

Re: If you can't beat 'em...

2010-07-09 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Casey Dougall < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Sam wrote: > >> The Democrats blocked it because they didn't want to talk about it. >> If Obama care is so good why hide it? Open government ha :) >> > > Because it's alre

Re: If you can't beat 'em...

2010-07-09 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Sam wrote: > The Democrats blocked it because they didn't want to talk about it. > If Obama care is so good why hide it? Open government ha :) > Because it's already in place, move on to other issues still open to debate. ~~~

Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
schizophrenia has nothing to do with multiple personalities. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Vivec wrote: > > I also said that they were Schizophrenic. > So at one point in time they are Psychopathic...at another they are > sociopathic.. >>_> > <_< > > 0_0 > > On 9 July 2010 12:38, Scott Stroz

Friday Funny - Had me in tears

2010-07-09 Thread Scott Stroz
I cannot recall the last time I laughed so hard - this is too damn funny. http://jezebel.com/5582562/clueless-secretary-makes-for-hilarious-office-email-thread -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*&k happened. - Cpt.

Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Scott Stroz
Noted. Carry on On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Vivec wrote: > > I also said that they were Schizophrenic. > So at one point in time they are Psychopathic...at another they are > sociopathic.. >>_> > <_< > > 0_0 > > On 9 July 2010 12:38, Scott Stroz wrote: > >> >> Pretty sure, by definitio

Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Judah McAuley
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Since the creation of the Congressional budget process, the House has never > failed to pass a budget and then deemed the non-existent budget as passed. > > It will be interesting to see how Republicans use this for the upcoming > elections

Re: If you can't beat 'em...

2010-07-09 Thread Sam
The Democrats blocked it because they didn't want to talk about it. If Obama care is so good why hide it? Open government ha :) On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Obama nominated him, so he did try. However, I blame Max Baucus as > much as I do Republicans for blocking the

Re: If you can't beat 'em...

2010-07-09 Thread Judah McAuley
Obama nominated him, so he did try. However, I blame Max Baucus as much as I do Republicans for blocking the nomination since Baucus didn't even schedule a hearing. He didn't want to get into the fight and that is his choice as committee chairman, just like it is Obama's choice as President to use

RE: If you can't beat 'em...

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
Now there's an unbiased source... Republicans had ample opportunity to join the conversation and yet still voted no even after they promised their votes after being given concession after concession. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 201

Re: If you can't beat 'em...

2010-07-09 Thread Sam
I know. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I have always thought that.  I think the actions of the republicans have > been unconstitutional, very anti-democratic and anti-American. ~| Order the Adobe Coldf

RE: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
That's an idea... -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 10:57 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Ummm, about that budget . . . On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > How about ending corporate welfare first?  T

RE: If you can't beat 'em...

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
I have always thought that. I think the actions of the republicans have been unconstitutional, very anti-democratic and anti-American. Eric -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:53 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: If you can't beat '

Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Ian Skinner
On 7/9/2010 9:40 AM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > It's not the positions that are dishonest. It's how the two sides talk > about each other. If they were honest they'd both admit that the other > side has a point and we'd actually be able to move towards resolving the > issue instead of just endlessly ar

Re: If you can't beat 'em...

2010-07-09 Thread Sam
How do we know since he didn't even try? Democrats wanted to avoid another health care debate. Krauthammer says it best: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/07/08/krauthammer_democrats_dont_want_health_care_debated_again.html On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > It

Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Vivec
I also said that they were Schizophrenic. So at one point in time they are Psychopathic...at another they are sociopathic.. >_> <_< 0_0 On 9 July 2010 12:38, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Pretty sure, by definition, one cannot be a psychopath and sociopath. > > IIRC: psychopath is unable to determine

RE: If you can't beat 'em...

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
It also doesn't mean that he shouldn't wield it. We can see a big difference though in the Bush use of recession appointments (which I think he misused) and how Obama is using them. Bush used a recession appointment to appoint someone that Congress already rejected (twice at that point if I reme

RE: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Sisk, Kris
It's not the positions that are dishonest. It's how the two sides talk about each other. If they were honest they'd both admit that the other side has a point and we'd actually be able to move towards resolving the issue instead of just endlessly arguing about it. -Original Message- From:

Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Scott Stroz
Pretty sure, by definition, one cannot be a psychopath and sociopath. IIRC: psychopath is unable to determine right from wrong, sociopath can tell the difference between right and wrong, but does not care. *splits hairs* :D On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Once you start seei

Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > Neither side is in the least measure honest or objective. Most who > advocate the end of welfare simply feel that it's not the government's > place to run what amounts to a charity that we're all required to donate > to by law (and they have a

RE: Netbook movies for travel

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
No...they allow you to stream them online. -Original Message- From: Sisk, Kris [mailto:ks...@gckschools.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:27 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Netbook movies for travel Doesn't Netflix allow you to download movies you rent now? ~~~

Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Judah McAuley
What isn't honest about those positions? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > Neither side is in the least measure honest or objective. Most who > advocate the end of welfare simply feel that it's not the government's > place to run what amounts to a charity that we're all requi

RE: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
White flight is a myth Jerry. There is a cyclical "churning" of people in urban environments. We see that here in Chicago and it has been happening since Chicago was founded. That is why we have housing projects bordering multi-million dollar residences in the Gold Coast in Chicago. Ever few y

Re: a couple of photos

2010-07-09 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > the big redwood at the back of the house: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/59807...@n00/4769951962/ > > the crown of the tree: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/59807...@n00/4769951956/ > > there are a number of other big trees on the propert

RE: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Sisk, Kris
Neither side is in the least measure honest or objective. Most who advocate the end of welfare simply feel that it's not the government's place to run what amounts to a charity that we're all required to donate to by law (and they have a point). Most who say we need Medicare simply feel that the g

RE: If you can't beat 'em...

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
Afraid of or tired of? -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 10:35 PM To: cf-community Subject: If you can't beat 'em... ...do an end around. http://nyti.ms/caLJqZ Not sure how I feel about this. On one hand, the Republicans wer

Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Sam
Is ti happy hour already? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Once you start seeing Corporations as Individuals your society is on the way > to implosion. > > Corporations , if they are individuals, are all psychopathic, schizophrenic > sociopaths. > > Those who oppose the end of

RE: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
Or get the money from Iraqi oil like we were supposed to? -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:32 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Ummm, about that budget . . . Yes, we can leave. The same old tired rhetoric about the Taliban a

RE: a couple of photos

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
Those are awesome...that is a gorgeous house. Congrats and thanks for sharing! -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 8:20 PM To: cf-community Subject: a couple of photos the big redwood at the back of the house: http://www.flic

RE: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
That is false Robert. He talked about getting out of Iraq and campaigned on Afghanistan being the right war. -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:50 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Ummm, about that budget . . . Obama the can

RE: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
Obama even said the his secretary of the interior did not act fast enough to root out the corruption that existed and he has taken blame for that. The root of the problem, however...not only the culture, but the regulations (or deregulations) that was part of the Cheney energy task force that, fo

Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Vivec
Once you start seeing Corporations as Individuals your society is on the way to implosion. Corporations , if they are individuals, are all psychopathic, schizophrenic sociopaths. Those who oppose the end of Medicare and Social Welfare are not phrasing their opposition in such sensational terms.

RE: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
The actions of this current administration will really have it's effects in the last 2 years of his term and into a second term (if he get re-elected). Stuff that he did in his first few months are taking effect now as can be seen in the job growth from the Bush administration, that experienced se

RE: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
When his administration is at fault for most of the issues that we have, then that is exactly what they should be doing. How about this...point out issues where Bush is blamed and he wasn't at fault... -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 0

RE: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
Throw them out on the street and hope they die quickly? That seems to be the republican plan. I am beginning to believe that Republicans are not even human anymore. One of the hallmarks of humanity, from an anthropological standpoint, was that we started to take care of the infirm, the poor, an

Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Cameron Childress
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > How about ending corporate welfare first?  Then stop sending aid to Israel. > Next, decriminalize marijuana and tax the shit out of it.  Budget problems > solved. How about at least restricting Social Security bennies only to those who meet

RE: Ummm, about that budget . . .

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
How about ending corporate welfare first? Then stop sending aid to Israel. Next, decriminalize marijuana and tax the shit out of it. Budget problems solved. -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 4:13 PM To: cf-community Subject:

RE: A bit more then just "wash me!"

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Roberts
They had a segment on a TV show about this guy. He is actually pretty talented...shame his art is so impermanent. Eric -Original Message- From: Ian Skinner [mailto:h...@ilsweb.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:31 PM To: cf-community Subject: A bit more then just "wash me!" Art fr

Re: Now these robot engineers are solving the problems...

2010-07-09 Thread Cameron Childress
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:44 AM, G Money wrote: > See now...why did ya have ta go and do that? Playground politics? As long as the other kid reacts to it, keep teasing. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology no

Re: Now these robot engineers are solving the problems...

2010-07-09 Thread Cameron Childress
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:09 AM, G Money wrote: >> One trick pony. > > You crazy? Cam's full of tricks...been turning them here for years. Hey, at least I've stopped talking about FairTax (mostly). -Cameron ... ~| Order the A

Re: Now these robot engineers are solving the problems...

2010-07-09 Thread G Money
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Medic wrote: > > One trick pony. > You crazy? Cam's full of tricks...been turning them here for years. -- I've seen your flag on the marble arch Love is not a victory march It's a cold and it's a broken Hallelujah

RE: Now these robot engineers are solving the problems...

2010-07-09 Thread Sisk, Kris
In related news researchers are working on robots that will lie to the public and bicker publicly over the most minor disagreements even while quietly cooperating with each other to screw us all. They're calling it the Repubricat. /me runs away -Original Message- From: Ian Skinner [mailt

Re: Now these robot engineers are solving the problems...

2010-07-09 Thread Medic
One trick pony. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:44 AM, G Money wrote: > > See now...why did ya have ta go and do that? > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Cameron Childress >wrote: > > > > > I also saw recently where they are building soccer playing robots with > > a goal of having a robot that wil

Re: Now these robot engineers are solving the problems...

2010-07-09 Thread Ian Skinner
On 7/9/2010 7:44 AM, G Money wrote: > See now...why did ya have ta go and do that? > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Cameron Childresswrote: Really, this could have been such a nice thread about subservient robots working hard to meet humankind's needs. At least for awhile before they tak

Friday Funny

2010-07-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
courtesy of Andy Jarrett: -- A thanks for @bigmadkev for this little on topic gem! Man walking along kicks a tin can and out pops a genie. "I will grant you one wish" says the genie. "I want to live forever" says the man. "I can't grant wishes like that" the genie replies. "Ok, I want to live

Re: Now these robot engineers are solving the problems...

2010-07-09 Thread G Money
See now...why did ya have ta go and do that? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > I also saw recently where they are building soccer playing robots with > a goal of having a robot that will fall on the ground and flail around > like a little girl by the year 2050. > > -Ca

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