nice :-)
no mac and cheese for me though!!!
Ham steaks and salsa...mmm
:-)
Dinner tonight was ham steaks caramelized in a strawberry vinaigrette and
mac and cheese, I added salsa to my mac :)
--
will
If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be
We made roasted veggie soup and roti last night. The veggies were
leftovers from the previous night when we made grilled pizza. The
night before that I made some Thai ginger noodles with broccoli. The
night before that my husband made enchiladas. So, yah, I _think_ all
that is real food. ;)
On
sheep
carcass... and thus the Pipes were born
the Scottish Rogues
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From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 05:10 pm
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
Importance: Low
Is Chipotle owned by McDonalds
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
Does anyone eat real food anymore?
I'm about to throw a 2 inch thick 1lb ribeye into the broiler... does
that count?
--
will
If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable.
- Carrie Fisher
As a recently diagnosed diabetic, even more than the Mountain Dews I miss rice.
Stop talking about food!
(j/k)
Jerry Johnson
On 7/8/05, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It was a leftover night last night for us, meatloaf with a sauce made
up of sauteed onions, green and red pepper and
Rice isn't bad, what you just need to do is figure out the number of
grams of carbohydrates in rice (about 47 or 50 in one serving) and
take the appropriate amount of insulin to compensate. I've had
diabetes for the last 12 years and have been on an insulin pump for
the last 2. There are a couple
Hey! When did this happen? I should pay more attention
Lyons is right -- rice isn't bad. It's just carbohydrate-dense. 1/3
cup is a standard serving, I think.
Also, I'm guessing you've been diagnosed with type II diabetes, right?
--Ben
Jerry Johnson wrote:
As a recently diagnosed
I used to eat mostly rice, with some meat and vegetables. My entire
eating pyramid was completely wrong. (Although it let me drop 50
pounds). Between better eating for the last 2 months, excersize and
pnemonia, I've dropped another 30.
I'm still trying to get a handle on all the darn MATH needed,
Week before last. I went in the hospital for pneumonia, and stayed for
the diabeties.
They are thinking Type 1, actually.
On 7/8/05, Ben Doom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey! When did this happen? I should pay more attention
Lyons is right -- rice isn't bad. It's just carbohydrate-dense.
Larry wrote:
Rice isn't bad, what you just need to do is figure out the number of
grams of carbohydrates in rice (about 47 or 50 in one serving) and
take the appropriate amount of insulin to compensate.
Can't you use GI (glycemic index) to help compensate for high GI
foods? For example,
My sympathy. When I had to give up green tea and salad, I found that
knowing I wasn't supposed to have something made me crave it. Also,
isn't type 1 harder to control? An acquaintance of mine has that.
Dana
On 7/8/05, Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Week before last. I went in the
Oof! Double whammy.
On 7/8/05, Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Week before last. I went in the hospital for pneumonia, and stayed for
the diabeties.
They are thinking Type 1, actually.
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My sympathies. It was a bugger of a shock to me when I was diagnosed.
Seriously though, once things are somewhat stabilized look into
getting an insulin pump. It makes things so much easier and keeps your
blood glucose levels stable much easier than having to take several
needles daily.
Jerry Johnson wrote:
Week before last. I went in the hospital for pneumonia, and stayed for
the diabeties.
They are thinking Type 1, actually.
Wow. Kinda unusual, but not unheard of. What kind of insulin regiment
are you on now?
About a month ago, I started on Lantis and Novalin. I'm
ugh. that's absolutely disgusting. that fits in with that saying about
the cure being worse than the disease.
On 7/8/05, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, drink a shot or 2 of vinegar prior to a baked
potato to lower your GI to normal levels.
Kevin wrote:
ugh. that's absolutely disgusting. that fits in with that saying about
the cure being worse than the disease.
Well, yeah, but there's lots of options. For example you can have a
salad with a vinaigrette on it, etc. Pickles, lemon juice, etc all
work - you just need something
Yep, just started on both of those. Using the oh-so-much-better
insulin pens. Novalin before each meal and Lantis before bed.
I finally found an excellent reason to live in Boston. The Joslin
Diabetes Clinic. I cannot gush enough to express how good they are.
They just got me a ontouch ultra to
Type I means that your body doesn't produce any insulin (although Jerry
should still be in the honeymoon period, where he does). Type II
means that you don't produce enough.
Typically, type II can be controlled through diet, excercize, and oral
medications. Type I requires insulin doses. That
I am thinking about buying a pda this weekend and getting the
calorieking app for it. A friend uses it constantly.
On 7/8/05, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also get a carb counting book - not an Atkins book but something like
the Calorie King book (see
Jerry Johnson wrote:
Yep, just started on both of those. Using the oh-so-much-better
insulin pens. Novalin before each meal and Lantis before bed.
Guh! It took me weeks to get used to that thing. It's so *heavy*
compared to a syringe. Now, I like it, though. And it's much more
convenient to
Ben,
Before I was on an insulin pump, I was on a combo of humalog and
Lantis. It worked but I disliked (hated) the number of needles I had
to take daily. The pump is easier - just the equivalent of a needle
every 3 days. You still have to closely monitor your glucose levels (I
do mine about 6 to
ah. I was told that I could have bad things (high in vitamin K in my
case) if I was consistent about it, so that they could dose the
medecine. I was really really bad about being consistent about it, and
very fond of several things that affected INR (caesar salad, ginger
chicken, ginger candy,
But getting back to Jerry, lacking persdonal experience with this all
I can say is that from what I can see from friends who do is that
compliance alllows a very normal life, whereas trying to tough it out
is a mistake.
I'm currently on a very regular diet. I eat basically the same thing
for
I think we've had this discussion before. :-)
I don't mind doing 4 shots a day. On the other hand, pumps totally
creep my out!
What I'm really excited about are the in vivo glucose monitors that are
currently in FDA trials. I had some links on them, but I can't seem to
find them today.
That's a good app. There's also some meters that can communicate with
many PDA's via the infra-red port (the accucheck system has something
like this -
http://www.roche-diagnostics.com/products_services/accuchek_compact.html)
.. So you can do all your record keeping much more easily. I've been
no that was great. I think that if I were newly diagnosed with
diabetes I would find it quite helpful
Dana
On 7/8/05, Ben Doom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But getting back to Jerry, lacking persdonal experience with this all
I can say is that from what I can see from friends who do is that
I did part of a clinical trial last fall (I was on a monitor for a
week). It took some getting used to - there was much more hardware
than my pump, and I had to be more careful about getting things wet
etc. Hopefully they will have worked out these kinks when its
released.
larry
On 7/8/05, Ben
The next thing I need to figure out is how exercise changes my levels.
It looks like I should exercise at leat an hour after eating, but that
doesn't fit my schedule.
Even something as normal as walking home from the train (2 miles) now
needs to be thought out before-hand.
Of course, I have been
Everything needs to be thought out. But exercise is needed. That can
do a lot to change your insulin needs. That's one of the things you
need to talk to your diabetes eduator about.
larry
On 7/8/05, Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The next thing I need to figure out is how exercise
So, Jerry - did you have any inkling? Or, did this come as a total
shock? I've always been curious how that works. My friend that had
gestational diabetes didn't have a clue, though she did feel like she
was eating a lot of fruit all the time.
On 7/8/05, Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not a clue. I thought that I might, at some point, with weight and
diet and family history, have a problem someday (type II), but I am
too young!
I now know that I had symptoms for the last half year, but did not
recognise them as such. (thirst, phantom twitches in the feet, etc)
I was tired all
Eesh. That sounds awful - sick for 6 months? Blech.
Actually, when I was in high school, the doctors posited that I walked
around with mono for several months before the morning I woke up and
couldn't turn my head because everything in my neck was so swollen.
You'd think we'd be smarter about
A lot of times it is very insidious. You just don't feel right and
then you feel a little worse and pretty soon you can't remember normal
Dana
On 7/8/05, Deanna Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Eesh. That sounds awful - sick for 6 months? Blech.
Actually, when I was in high school, the
I had undiagnosed mono freshman year in high school that led to a
ruptured spleen from a bad hit during football.
Apparently, mono causes the spleen to swell, and it becomes easier to pop.
Never did figure out where I got the kissing disease.
On 7/8/05, Deanna Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
quote
Never did figure out where I got the kissing disease.
/quote
Because Mono is very contagious and takes far less contact then lip locking to
contract.
--
Ian Skinner
Web Programmer
BloodSource
www.BloodSource.org
Sacramento, CA
C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!
-
I had undiagnosed thyoid disease for un unknown but probably lengthy
time before it was diagnosed. I know insidious :)
Dana
On 7/8/05, Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I had undiagnosed mono freshman year in high school that led to a
ruptured spleen from a bad hit during football.
Hyper or hypothyroidism? Or something else entirely?
--Ben
Dana wrote:
I had undiagnosed thyoid disease for un unknown but probably lengthy
time before it was diagnosed. I know insidious :)
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Depends, did you get it at subway or Arby's? Then no. Local deli I'd say yes.
On 7/7/05, Ray Champagne wrote:
I just finished a meatball sub. What do you consider real? :)
Sam wrote:
Does anyone eat real food anymore?
:)
If it's fast food most likely it's junk food.
On 7/7/05, Dana wrote:
define real food
On 7/7/05, Sam wrote:
Does anyone eat real food anymore?
:)
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Eat brown rice or wild rice, not as nice but better then nothing.
On 7/8/05, Jerry Johnson wrote:
As a recently diagnosed diabetic, even more than the Mountain Dews I miss
rice.
Stop talking about food!
(j/k)
Jerry Johnson
From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If it's fast food most likely it's junk food.
What is junk food?
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That food which is available at the Walmart food kiosk.
On 7/8/05, Michael T. Tangorre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If it's fast food most likely it's junk food.
What is junk food?
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 5:06 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
GWB cannot start an amendment process, I believe that's left to the states
or congress correct?
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent
Matthew wrote:
You can't divide everything so neatly, Gruss. I value liberty, and I have
my own values of human decency.
But you can - Here's the question you have to answer: If your Gay
neighbors get married, how does it inhibit your pursuit of happiness?
If it doesn't but you still oppose
A state cannot and should not refuse to grant a civil union between two
people based solely on race, religion, or gender.
A religion can refuse to administer one of it's sacraments to anybody it
wants.
This issue becomes so simple once you divorce (pun intended) the word
marriage from the
Glad to hear a rephrasing of my arguments.
Same sex marriage is essentially an equal protection argument. You
cannot have selective rights based on some feature of the person.
Besides I think a good argument can be made that by having priests,
ministers, pastors, rabbis, imams etc conducting
Brian wrote:
But the right to equal protections and oppurtunities under the LAW simply
cannot, and should not, be limited based on race, religion, gender, or
sexual orientation.
Well said! Which is why I've always said the Dems and Reps are 2
sides of the same oppression:
* Democrats want
I don't mind priests etc being able to perform a marriage ceremony
(with the same rules that apply to JPs, boat captians, and Joey
Tribiani). As long as it is the same as what is done by the JP.
But they need to buy the little stamp press. That thing is a tax windfall!
Jerry Johnson
I'd be all for completely seperating the religious ceremony of marriage
with the legal granting of a civil union.
I know that in the eyes of the state, a priest has the legal power to grant
a civil union. But I don't know if he was granted that power solely by
virtue of his taking of the Holy
* Democrats want to impose their morality on you by taking your tax
dollars to solve problems even if you don't think it's a problem or
think their solution is foolish.
I never really thought of the democrats tax and spend on welfare programs,
as moral impositions before. Most people would
What government model would support that? Laws, by their very intent,
are a limitation of freedoms in order to create order and the process
of governing those laws needs to be funded somehow. Whether the money
flows directly or indirectly, there are costs to everything.
The key is finding a
.
Tim
-Original Message-
From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:06 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
What government model would support that? Laws, by their very intent,
are a limitation of freedoms in order to create order
-Original Message-
From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:06 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
What government model would support that? Laws, by their very intent,
are a limitation of freedoms in order to create
So privatize police and military, the wealthy can afford protection
while the poor can't? Descend into rampant villiany preying on the
middle and lower classes? No affordable medicines and the working
class becomes decimated by disease? Etc, etc, etc.
The basic idea is laudable but not so simple.
, 2005 11:44 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
Problem with that model is that it favours the rich and well off while
penalizing the poor and lower middle classes to a disproportionate
amount.
Which I guess is OK if you can afford it. And as for those poor, well
: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:54 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
So privatize police and military, the wealthy can afford protection
while the poor can't? Descend into rampant villiany preying on the
middle and lower classes? No affordable medicines and the working
class becomes
Message-
From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:44 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
Problem with that model is that it favours the rich and well off while
penalizing the poor and lower middle classes to a disproportionate
, we don't have socialized
medicine now, and the poor aren't dying in the streets of disease.
-Original Message-
From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:54 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
So privatize police
the nature and frequency of violations.
-Original Message-
From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:25 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
No people are not dying in the streets because of government public
health programs
this raises the barriers?
-Original Message-
From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:11 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
Ok, so lets take school. How is that going to be paid? What sort of
standards are to be followed
Kevin wrote:
Whether the money
flows directly or indirectly, there are costs to everything.
No doubt there, but my complaint is the force of morals which SS,
Welfare, and WIC certainly are. The Democrats want to force me to pay
for these programs, above and beyond other services. The
Don't get me started on fucking stadium taxes. Or the amount of my
fucking cable bill going to pay for fucking sports fucking channels.
Fuck!
On 7/7/05, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One lifestyle issue, for me, is sports stadiums. Again and again
Minnesota voters turn down stadium deals
On 7/7/05, Loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. I am talking about our federal government. Schools are currently a local
issue anyway, yes they get federal funding, but that money would be returned
to the populace and allow them to spend how they see fit, locally. Federal
education laws aren't
ummm... need definition of good in this argument. But either way, I
really hate to tell you what I spend on education.
Dana
On 7/7/05, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/7/05, Loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. I am talking about our federal government. Schools are currently a
What you CHOOSE to spend on education.
Tim
-Original Message-
From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:30 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
ummm... need definition of good in this argument. But either way, I
really hate
: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:30 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
ummm... need definition of good in this argument. But either way, I
really hate to tell you what I spend on education.
Dana
On 7/7/05, Larry C. Lyons
On 7/7/05, loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What you CHOOSE to spend on education.
Tim
-Original Message-
From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:30 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
ummm... need definition of good in this argument
.
Dana
On 7/7/05, loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What you CHOOSE to spend on education.
Tim
-Original Message-
From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:30 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
ummm... need definition
from the gutter Larry.
Tim
-Original Message-
From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:25 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
No people are not dying in the streets because of government public
health programs, that were
Isn't forcing them to eat junk food considered child abuse? :)
On 7/7/05, Dana wrote:
yepper! Relies very heavily on Taco Cabana. Remember... a sufficiently
detailed description of the salsa bar there compelled Gruss to jet
into Dallas for lunch :) Sorta like walking a mile for a Camel or What
I think I must have been very lucky. Most of my primary schooling had
excellent lunches. Heck my Junior High served fresh baked on site bread
everyday. Some have been saying that poor nutrition makes for poor studying,
imagine trying to pay attention in class when the smell of fresh bread
I belong to a couple of those groups, but I disagree with them. And I
live in New Mexico. Judging from the number of Chihuaha registrations
in the neighborhood I just moved out of after a year and a half, some
fairly substantial portion of the neighborhood was probably illegal,
but they were not
Wash your mouth out :) Taco Cabana is not junk food. Salsa made an
hour ago, tortillas still warm from the grill, fresh-squeezed
limeade... mmm.
I think you're thinking of Taco Bell.
Dana
On 7/7/05, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't forcing them to eat junk food considered child abuse? :)
I don't know. I do remember Reagan considering ketchup a vegetable, but
then again so was Brady
-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:52 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
Isn't forcing them to eat junk food
:55 pm
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
Importance: Low
I think I must have been very lucky. Most of my primary schooling had
excellent lunches. Heck my Junior High served fresh baked on site bread
everyday. Some have been saying that poor nutrition makes for poor studying
on a bloated sheep
carcass... and thus the Pipes were born
the Scottish Rogues
-Original Message-
From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 05:00 pm
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
Importance: Low
Wash your mouth out :) Taco Cabana
the Pipes were born
the Scottish Rogues
-Original Message-
From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 05:02 pm
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
Importance: Low
I don't know. I do remember Reagan considering ketchup a vegetable
]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:52 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
Isn't forcing them to eat junk food considered child abuse? :)
On 7/7/05, Dana wrote:
yepper! Relies very heavily on Taco Cabana. Remember... a sufficiently
detailed description of the salsa bar
Is Chipotle owned by McDonalds?
-Original Message-
From: SStewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:03 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
Sounds like Chipotle.
Yu
sas
Scott A. Stewart,
Web Application Developer
Is Chipotle owned by McDonalds?
Yes
as is P.F.Changs IIRC...
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will
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and that would just be unacceptable.
- Carrie Fisher
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Dana wrote:
detailed description of the salsa bar there compelled Gruss to jet
into Dallas for lunch :)
Oh yeah ... mmm ... Taco Cabana ... hm ... Gotta go!
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Stewart wrote:
Sounds like Chipotle.
Yu
Which is also great! I'm pretty into the veggie bol with 1 scoop of
mild and 2 scoops of hot. I also always get both kinds of beans.
Their lime chips rule. What the hell is wrong with Taco Bell?
There's also Baja Grill which is
Does anyone eat real food anymore?
:)
On 7/7/05, Gruss Gott wrote:
Which is also great! I'm pretty into the veggie bol with 1 scoop of
mild and 2 scoops of hot. I also always get both kinds of beans.
Their lime chips rule. What the hell is wrong with Taco Bell?
There's also Baja Grill
I just finished a meatball sub. What do you consider real? :)
Sam wrote:
Does anyone eat real food anymore?
:)
On 7/7/05, Gruss Gott wrote:
Which is also great! I'm pretty into the veggie bol with 1 scoop of
mild and 2 scoops of hot. I also always get both kinds of beans.
Their lime
define real food
On 7/7/05, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone eat real food anymore?
:)
On 7/7/05, Gruss Gott wrote:
Which is also great! I'm pretty into the veggie bol with 1 scoop of
mild and 2 scoops of hot. I also always get both kinds of beans.
Their lime chips
I made BBQ babyback ribs and grill roasted onions and potatos this weekend.
On 7/7/05, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone eat real food anymore?
:)
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Does anyone eat real food anymore?
I'm about to throw a 2 inch thick 1lb ribeye into the broiler... does
that count?
--
will
If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable.
- Carrie Fisher
Dinner tonight was ham steaks caramelized in a strawberry vinaigrette and
mac and cheese, I added salsa to my mac :)
-Original Message-
From: William Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:40 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
Does
Germany and Japan surrendered.
On 7/3/05, Gruss Gott wrote:
Dana wrote:
we don't have to allow
this so therefore we don't. I believe the excuse is security
That's the danger - power tends to corrupt. Allowing the State to
jail people without due process is corrupt. The POW argument is
So? I believe the point is that any real terrorists out there -- and
yes, I do think there are some -- are unlikely to do so.
As for the posts about Clinton-loving Bush-hating liberals :P life is
too short.
Dana
On 7/6/05, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Germany and Japan surrendered.
On
this administration is way of track.
-Original Message-
From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:35 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
So? I believe the point is that any real terrorists out there -- and
yes, I do think there are some -- are unlikely
the Government is heading the wrong direction and
believe me IMHO this administration is way of track.
-Original Message-
From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:35 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
So? I believe the point
That's not Bush and the boys. It's the anti-Bush crowd that is
presenting this image. I'm not a Christian so I'm an enemy according
to you.
I think you and many like you believe it's black and white. You're
either Bible thumping and support everything Bush does or you totally
against him. You need
Sam wrote:
I'm not a Christian so I'm an enemy according
to you.
It's not necessarily being a Christian, it's believing that the
morality the Church advocates should be law. This is Mr. Bush's core
domestic policy.
For example, Gay marriage. Those that value liberty would say if 2
sane
-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
That's not Bush and the boys. It's the anti-Bush crowd that is
presenting this image. I'm not a Christian so I'm an enemy according
to you.
I think you and many like you believe it's black and white. You're
either Bible thumping and support everything
acceptance of the act.
Matthew Small
Web Developer
American City Business Journals
704-973-1045
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:16 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
Sam wrote:
I'm
To expand on your thought Matt, you are against the legal acceptance of the
act. What is your opinion of the removal of current laws in many localities
that actually make this act illegal?
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Ian Skinner
Web Programmer
BloodSource
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Sacramento, CA
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To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
You can't divide everything so neatly, Gruss. I value liberty, and I have
my own values of human decency. Sometimes those two things don't match.
Sometimes they do. Sometimes one trumps the other. Sometimes the values of
the whole
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Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:56 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
Matt,
What in the constitution, the supposed base document of all federal law,
gives the federal government the right to come down either way? Shouldn't
it at least be a states
: GitMo (Was: speaking of)
To expand on your thought Matt, you are against the legal acceptance of the
act. What is your opinion of the removal of current laws in many
localities that actually make this act illegal?
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Ian Skinner
Web Programmer
BloodSource
www.BloodSource.org
Sacramento
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