I'd go for that ban. Last week I nearly got sideswiped by one A**hole in an
SUV who simply did not give a damn where she was going (gender is irrelevant
in this case actually). There's a story called Save At Any Speed where the
author speculated on what would be the effects of putting weapons on
I'd go for that ban. Last week I nearly got sideswiped by one
A**hole in an SUV who simply did not give a damn where she
was going (gender is irrelevant in this case actually).
There's a story called Save At Any Speed where the author
speculated on what would be the effects of putting
To be fair though, you get assholes driving all sorts of vehicles, it
doesn't have to be just SUVs
I've seen idiots in big cargo trucks not paying attention, people in
sports cars that drive as fast as they can, and people in stupid
little cars that crunch the backs of other cars because they
To be fair though, you get assholes driving all sorts of
vehicles, it doesn't have to be just SUVs
But a similar sized car to mine is not going to cause me $9,500 in damage
from a 20 MPH parking lot accident. This guy was in a Ford Expedition
His grill is all I saw as he nailed me... Scary
10, 2004 9:09 AM
To: 'Lyons, Larry '
Subject: RE: Maybe DC will catch on
You know what.. I have set back and read this same type of
thread for awhile now
I have owned small vehicles as well as SUVs. My last 2 vehicles
were SUVs and I currently have one now. SUV are not only
In the last few months I have:
... narrowly escaped a tailgating Volkswagon beetle: ban them too!
... been cut off by a Lexus something or other sedan: Ban it.
... ... basically attacked by countless Cadillacs (in Florida with lots
of retirees): Yep, Cadillacs have to go.
... had a guy in a
I have no problem with those who really need them in their
life or work, I know people who are ranchers in western
Canada who need them, but when its some Contracts
Administrator for some defense contractor where the closest
they get to off-road is their driveway, that is overkill.
: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:09 AM
To: 'Lyons, Larry '
Subject: RE: Maybe DC will catch on
You know what.. I have set back and read this same type of
thread for awhile now
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I know what yur saying though.. The Anti-Asshole bill should
be rolloing through congress right after Ronnie vacates the area.
Mike
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Bah. SUVs have higher and harder bumpers than other cars. It's almost like
they are designed to do more damage. People are already stupid in cars. We
don't need anything that increases their sense of invulnerability. The sad
thing is they are mostly right. In an SUV you are more or less
snip
... basically attacked by countless Cadillacs (in Florida with lots
of retirees): Yep, Cadillacs have to go.
snip
Funny. I too live in FL, and I remember long ago my dad saying something
about Cadillac drivers think they own the road as we swerved to avoid one.
Now these many years
So now the basis of what is an acceptable size car is its size
relationship to whatever particular car, you are driving?We can call
it the Tangorre Size Template.Every time you buy a new car, the
world can all go out and make sure there cars fit the template of your
particular choice.This
damn.
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From: Chris Stoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:35 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Maybe DC will catch on
So now the basis of what is an acceptable size car is its size
relationship to whatever particular car, you are driving
Smart ass.
So now the basis of what is an acceptable size car is its
size relationship to whatever particular car, you are
driving?We can call it the Tangorre Size Template.Every
time you buy a new car, the world can all go out and make
sure there cars fit the template of your particular
their own.
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From: Harkins, Patrick
To: CF-Community
Sent: 6/10/04 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: Maybe DC will catch on
Bah. SUVs have higher and harder bumpers than other cars. It's almost
like
they are designed to do more damage. People are already stupid in cars.
We
don't need
You're right. It's freedom of choice that makes us human!
-Pat
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From: Adkins, Randy
I agree on the ego portion and that regardless SUVs are designed
to be more rugged. yes they do have a major issue for fuel consumption.
However I do not see being REQUIRED to show
However I do not see being REQUIRED to show a need for the vehicle.
Why not? If you have a need then it is not an issue. If the number of CUVs
on the road culd be limited to those who need them lives could be saved and
accidents lessened. Seems like a good reason to me.
One of the things
guess I gotta get rid of my xterra.
or should I just let mike tangorra crush it... since its tooo big
:)
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From: Adkins, Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:46 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Maybe DC will catch on
I agree on the ego
Marwan Saidi wrote:
BTW Chris, where in FL are you?
Live in Tampa, work in Clearwater.
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guess I gotta get rid of my xterra.
or should I just let mike tangorra crush it... since its tooo big
Ha... Well If you consider an xterra an SUV, get your head checked. It's a
light weight SUV on a car frame. In other words, it's a soccer mom SUV.
:-)
j/kabout the soccer mom thing, it does
Adkins, Randy wrote:
I agree on the ego portion and that regardless SUVs are designed
to be more rugged. yes they do have a major issue for fuel consumption.
So what if its an ego thing, If want to to show people the size of my,
we er.. Car :), its my right to do so.It is not however my right
Tangorre, Michael wrote:
Smart ass.
Yes, but I announced that at my arrival and all were ok with it, so I
get a free pass... :)
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:30:14 -0400, Harkins, Patrick wrote:
The big motivator
for driving an SUV is a sense of power and for this the environment gets
screwed.
Actually, our motivator is usefulness
We have 2 large dogs (Greyhounds) and 1 small dog (Italian Greyhound),
plus we have 2 people
Cool, I am on the right coast. Work in Satellite Beach, live in Oviedo.
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From: Chris Stoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:54 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Maybe DC will catch on
Marwan Saidi wrote:
BTW Chris, where in FL are you
Texas? New York?
California? Any place for that matter. Should they be banned in all
states? Oh and don't forget Hawaii
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From: Tangorre, Michael
To: CF-Community
Sent: 6/10/04 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: Maybe DC will catch on
However I do not see being REQUIRED to show
Exactly.Maybe when you others are forcing what size car I can drive
down my throat (metaphorically speaking) I can force my religion down
their throats and say if only you weren't a Heathen god would protect
you from the evil SUV's*
Actually the government could try to ban SUVs for safety
Perhaps DC/NOVA/MD area could do something similar so the jackasses who
occupy 4 parking spaces
My question is where is parking in DC?I been to DC twice and I have yet
to find a place to park in DC...
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No one should be forced to drive any size of vehicle.
Again, Freedom of choice...
You purchase it you drive it...
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From: Chris Stoner
To: CF-Community
Sent: 6/10/04 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Maybe DC will catch on
Adkins, Randy wrote:
I agree on the ego portion
Tangorre, Michael wrote:
However I do not see being REQUIRED to show a need for the vehicle.
Why not? If you have a need then it is not an issue. If the number of CUVs
on the road culd be limited to those who need them lives could be
saved and
accidents lessened. Seems like a good reason
Haha! I can fully imagine it! Our Jose is big too and his tail can do all
kinds of damage. Thankfully it's not so bony! As for SUV's I know that for
some people the emphais is on the Utility and I certainly don't advocate
making people feel guilty. I still the think the gap between Hollywood dream
Adkins, Randy wrote:
And for the general reason,
Well maybe I want to buy a boat someday
I would like to point out that boats are not required either... :)
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Exactly! However I never had a greyhound get excited.
Don't think I want to either. :-)
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From: Philip Arnold
To: CF-Community
Sent: 6/10/04 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Maybe DC will catch on
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:30:14 -0400, Harkins, Patrick wrote:
The big
Marwan Saidi wrote:
Cool, I am on the right coast. Work in Satellite Beach, live in Oviedo.
http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=34
So you get to enjoy the oppressive heat of this awful state too, I am
sorry to hear that.
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larry
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From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:07 AM
To: CF-Community
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Perhaps DC/NOVA/MD area could do something similar so the
jackasses who
occupy 4 parking spaces
My question is where
, and especially the driving record for the driver(s) on
the policy.
Not the type of vehicle. Too many variables play apart in insurance
rates today as it is.
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From: Won Lee
To: CF-Community
Sent: 6/10/04 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: Maybe DC will catch on
Exactly.Maybe when
Umm.why should I be prevented from owning a vehicle because other people
drive them stupidly?
I know if I could afford one I'm definitely buying some sort of SUV or
Jeep for the terrible roads in Trinidad.
But sadly vehicles cost about 20,000US more in Trinidad than in the US
:-(
-Gel
, 2004 10:15 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Maybe DC will catch on
Marwan Saidi wrote:
Cool, I am on the right coast. Work in Satellite Beach, live in Oviedo.
http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=34
So you get to enjoy the oppressive heat of this awful state too, I am
sorry
Actually I disagree with you on the insurance and the gas tax.
So should we impose a gas tax on Vans? Motor homes? Dual-tank
pickup trucks? 18-wheelers?? Dump Trucks? or hell even moving trucks?
All the way down to the U-Hal trucks.
You impose a tax on any vehicle that is being used for a
I know if I could afford one I'm definitely buying some sort
of SUV or Jeep for the terrible roads in Trinidad.
But sadly vehicles cost about 20,000US more in Trinidad than
in the US :-(
You have a good reason. If the roads are that bad then why would you drive a
car when the side sills and
At 10:13 6/10/2004 -0400, you wrote:
Actually I disagree with you on the insurance and the gas tax.
So should we impose a gas tax on Vans? Motor homes? Dual-tank
pickup trucks? 18-wheelers?? Dump Trucks? or hell even moving trucks?
All the way down to the U-Hal trucks.
Where is the logic behind
If everything these SUVists say about SUVs is correct, then the insurance and gas taxes are already in place.
If the SUVs are more dangerous than regular cars, then the insurance premiums will reflect it.
If the SUVs are less fuel efficient, then they will require more gas (1/4 of which we
Yes, but my parent company is based in Connecticut and they
have already told me that I will be moving up there. Looks
like the January timeframe.
Out of the frying pan and into the
freezer?
Tell me about it - I may be moving from Louisiana to Boston soon. -shiver-
Frankly I'm
Connecticut is a nice place. You'll love the winters there.
larry
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From: Marwan Saidi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:23 AM
To: CF-Community
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Yes, but my parent company is based in Connecticut
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:27:18 -0400, Tangorre, Michael wrote:
AND ON THE SIZE OF THE VEHICLE which would directly relate to the amount of
death and damage that could be caused. Face it, in a bigger vehicle you are
a bigger risk for insurance companies because the potential is there for you
I agree with you Gel, but you know it's funny: Both you and Phil made the
same argument and yet both your needs for that kind of vehicle are
demonstrably other than just for the charge of it. I'm not sure what that
shows. Maybe that even when there is a need there is still an ego boost
element to
: Tangorre, Michael
To: CF-Community
Sent: 6/10/04 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: Maybe DC will catch on
Actually I disagree with you on the insurance and the gas tax.
So should we impose a gas tax on Vans? Motor homes? Dual-tank
pickup trucks? 18-wheelers?? Dump Trucks? or hell even moving trucks?
All
8:53 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Maybe DC will catch on
I'd go for that ban. Last week I nearly got sideswiped by one A**hole in an
SUV who simply did not give a damn where she was going (gender is irrelevant
in this case actually). There's a story called Save At Any Speed where
Tangorre, Michael wrote:
AND ON THE SIZE OF THE VEHICLE which would directly relate to the
amount of
death and damage that could be caused. Face it, in a bigger vehicle
you are
a bigger risk for insurance companies because the potential is there
for you
to do a great deal of damage!
Is
Marwan Saidi wrote:
Yes, but my parent company is based in Connecticut and they have already
told me that I will be moving up there. Looks like the January timeframe.
Out of the frying pan and into the
freezer?
I could go for about a year in the freezer, just to get me back to being
Since your car has the potential to do more damage, your premium
should be higher, right?
And it will be.If one has a sports car, one is paying a premium on one's insurance.That's why one has to describe one's vehicle down to the vin number before one gets a quote on auto insurance.
Ian
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Of course if that same driver had been in a Cadillac that
wouldn't have happened.
I don't think you should ban them, I wouldn't be opposed to
having to get a different type of license for SUVs and trucks.
I never
Can I ask what the top speed of your car is?
120, I guess in case im dirving through Montana.
The fastest we've ever had our current Explorer is about
75-80 (maybe a little over)
Same here
I bet that your car doing 120+ would do a darn sight more
damage than our SUV doing 75-80
Who
to
basketball season to baseball season. :)
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:31 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Maybe DC will catch on
Yes, but my parent company is based in Connecticut and they
have already told me that I
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:37:36 -0400, Harkins, Patrick wrote:
Maybe that even when there is a need there is still an ego boost
element to owning an SUV?
Have you seen our SUV? g
We have a 13 year old Explorer - if it's anything to do with ego,
since it's so old, it's actually ego shrinking :)
I used to live in Oviedo, when I was attending school at UCF.
10:01 AM 6/10/04, Marlon wrote:
Cool, I am on the right coast. Work in Satellite Beach, live in Oviedo.
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If we drive safely, then we dont have to worry about
(as many) accidents, so the size of my SUV or the strenght of
its bumper is a moot point, because its not going to hit anything.
Its not a moot point because even though you may not intend to get into an
accident, it could happen despite
| From: Harkins, Patrick
|
| Maybe that even when there is a need there is still an ego boost
| element to owning an SUV?
Patrick - you've been in my Bravada. You've seen the way I travel - even
the way I drive - would you say I wanted that Bravada for it's looks or
its usefulness? I had a
the answer.
_
From: Won Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:05 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Maybe DC will catch on
Exactly.Maybe when you others are forcing what size car I can drive
down my throat (metaphorically speaking) I can force my religion down
think having
to take a separate test for SUVs and pickup trucks as well would be
acceptable.
_
From: Chris Stoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:11 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Maybe DC will catch on (SUVs continue)
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Actually I disagree with you on the insurance and the gas tax.
So should we impose a gas tax on Vans? Motor homes? Dual-tank
pickup trucks? 18-wheelers?? Dump Trucks? or hell even moving
Plus my wife grew up in western NY
Whereabouts? I grew up in Elmira.
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gear for those trips, so my jeep isn't
full, do I still pay more in gas tax for that trip?
More taxes and restrictions are not the answer.
_
From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:27 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Maybe DC will catch on
You
10, 2004 6:14 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Maybe DC will catch on
In the last few months I have:
... narrowly escaped a tailgating Volkswagon beetle: ban them too!
... been cut off by a Lexus something or other sedan: Ban it.
... ... basically attacked by countless Cadillacs (in Florida
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:07:20 -0400, Tangorre, Michael wrote:
I bet that your car doing 120+ would do a darn sight more
damage than our SUV doing 75-80
Who said I was going 120? The sheer
But you have the potential to go 120 - I have the potential to do
more damage at slow speeds, but
Where? We live about a mile or so north of UCF, just off of Alafaya.
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From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:43 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Maybe DC will catch on
I used to live in Oviedo, when I was attending school at UCF
Jamestown. I've been up there and really liked it. Not what you think of
when you think of New York (lots of farms and cows and such)
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From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:34 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Maybe DC
Its not a moot point because even though you may not intend to get into an
accident, it could happen despite how safe you are at which point your
vehicle size and weight becomes an issue.
Freak accidents occur, I agree. But they would occur a lot fewer times
if you (people in general) were
Jamestown. I've been up there and really liked it. Not what
you think of when you think of New York (lots of farms and
cows and such)
The Finger Lakes region is absolutely beautiful in the summer time. Wine
tours, vacationing on the lake at the cottage... The peace and quiet...
I can't
and an SUV gets 12.5 miles to the gallon then it is paying 4 cents a mile in taxes.I think there should be a tax credit for SUV owners.
:)
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From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:25 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Maybe DC will catch
I say so what.Its not your place to choose what I drive,
period.You can drive your Daihatsu and I will drive my
Jacked Up Expedition with the big tires and a gun rack (I
donut really have one).I will drive carefully and I'm sure
you will too but its those who don't drive safely that are a
An 18 year old with a corvette should pay a higher rate than an 18 year old
with a 10 year old POS, but I see where you are going.
And they will.Insurance companies take into consideration the value of the car as well as it's potential to cause damage to other people and property.Talk to your
If gas tax is .50 a gallon and a small car gets 25 miles to
the gallon then it is only paying 2 cents per mile in taxes.
If gas tax is .50 a gallon and an SUV gets 12.5 miles to the
gallon then it is paying 4 cents a mile in taxes.I think
there should be a tax credit for SUV owners.
:)
I actually have nothing against them when they serve a useful
purpose... That's all.
hmmm mode of transportation to get to and from work.
That is a useful purpose, don't you agree??
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From: Tangorre, Michael
To: CF-Community
Sent: 6/10/04 2:47 PM
Subject: RE: Maybe DC
Of course I know that many people including yourselves make good use of
SUVs?
I am not in favour of forcing anyone's choice of vehicle. I'm just saying
there's a disconnect between the romance of the road and the reality of tons
of unnecessary carbon monoxide and wasted fuel and and and
Just
You can walk down Bay Street? I'd have thought that if you tried it you'd
get run over within 5 seconds, on a slow that that is.
larry
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From: Harkins, Patrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 3:06 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Maybe DC
Definitely the belly of the beast...
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From: Lyons, Larry
You can walk down Bay Street? I'd have thought that if you tried it you'd
get run over within 5 seconds, on a slow that that is.
larry
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Stupid people are stupid no matter what kind of car they are driving.
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I would respectfully disagree to the above.Imho, it's just that many of us simply don't give it a sh?t about the existence of others, driving behaviro or manner is a constant sign of it and unfortunately it would stay
You already do, it's factored into your insurance premiums.
Philip Arnold wrote:
so why should I pay for other people's stupidity?
--
will
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and that would just be unacceptable.
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and taxes
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From: William H Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 3:41 PM
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You already do, it's factored into your insurance premiums.
Philip Arnold wrote:
so why should I pay for other
Almost as bad as Young Street from what I remember.
larry
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Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 3:31 PM
To: CF-Community
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Definitely the belly of the beast...
-Original
You sir have my vote!
_
From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:43 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Maybe DC will catch on Tax Credits for SUVs
Actually, SUV's should pay less tax. They get fewer miles to the gallon
thereby paying more tax per mile
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:38:02 -0400, Chunshen (Don) Li wrote:
Stupid people are stupid no matter what kind of car they are driving.
I would respectfully disagree to the above.Imho, it's just that many of us simply don't give it a sh?t about the existence of others, driving behaviro or manner
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